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George Kirkland, Asia Norman & Lindsay Foster Hurr (2 of Clubs, Mississippi)
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When George, Asia, and Lindsay were all fatally shot in the same house on a stormy Mississippi night in 2019, nobody in the area heard or saw anything. But in the days after the attack, rumors and conspiracy theories went wild. And more than five years later… detectives are still working to untangle them all.
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Ashley Flowers
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And just like that, a State Farm agent will be there to help you choose the coverage you need. No matter where you are in life. When you need coverage options, your State Farm agent is there to help. On the phone or in person. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Our card this week is George Kirkland, Asia Norman and Lindsay Foster, her the two of Clubs for Mississippi. When George, Asia and Lindsay were all murdered on a stormy Mississippi Night in 2019, nobody in the area heard or saw anything. But in the days after the attack, rumors and conspiracy theories began running wild, creating a tangled web that detectives are still unweaving more than five years later. I'm Ashley Flowers and this is the deck. Around 1am on December 22, 2019, a woman we'll call Penny walked over to her local corner store in the rain to get some pills from her nephew George. Now, he wasn't there when she arrived and didn't show up for the multiple hours Penny waited around in the storm. So finally she decided to just walk to his house, which was right around the corner on Old Slag Road in Moss Point, Mississippi. When she got there, she could see that the house was totally dark. But that wasn't necessarily a surprise. The power had been cut off a while back. But what was surprising was the fact that the front door was cracked open. So Penny turned on her phone's flashlight, pushed the door open and began calling out for George, slowly inching into the house a little to call out a second time when he didn't answer. When she got no response that second time, Penny went back to the corner store, hoping that George would just turn up there eventually like they'd planned. But he didn't. In fact, Penny waited outside the store for another handful of hours without word from George. So, bracing the storm, she walked back to his house to check one more time. When she stepped into the dark entryway again, she heard what sounded like a very faint moaning sound coming from somewhere inside. She followed the noise, using her phone's flashlight to light her path through the living room, past the kitchen towards several bedrooms at the back of the one story house. When Penny shined her light through one of the doors, she saw blood. More and more of it as she panned her light over the bed where she finally saw where all of it was coming from. There was a semi conscious, fully clothed woman lying there on the verge of death. Penny could tell that this woman was breathing, but it sounded labored in the dark. She assumed that the woman had been beaten up. And when Penny tried to wake the woman and the woman didn't respond, Penny ran to find a nearby friend. The two returned to George's house together, and that's when Penny called 911. Just four minutes later, at 7:10am, Moss Point police officers showed up at the scene. While it was now light outside, the house was still dark, so officers had to use flashlights to navigate the house and find the bleeding woman. They also found two additional victims in another bedroom. Here's Detective Kimberly Snowden, the lead detective on the case.
- [06:17]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
So they're going to do what we would naturally do, clear the rest of the house, make sure we don't have whoever did this or we don't have a witness in the house as to what has happened to her. Did anybody else see anything? And then during the search of the house is when the other two victims were located together. There was a significant amount of blood. We could look at that scene even before touching them and know that, you know, they had passed.
- [06:45]
Ashley Flowers
Police immediately recognized the two deceased victims because they'd both had previous run ins with the law. One was Penny's nephew, 32 year old George Kirkland, whose family owned the home. And the second victim was 19 year old Asia Norman, George's on again, off again girlfriend. They were found on the floor of the primary bedroom, directly across from the room where the still unknown and still alive woman was found. Now, police could tell that the unknown woman hadn't been beaten like Penny originally thought. She'd actually been shot a single time in the head. And George and Asia had been shot multiple times, though Detective Snowden didn't want to reveal where. She did tell us that from the way George and Asia were positioned, it looked almost like George may have been trying to protect Asia or like she was hiding behind him. The bed in the room was still made, so it didn't seem like the pair had been sleeping at the time of the attack and George still had on his shoes. But it did appear to them that the unknown woman had been sleeping or was perhaps under the influence of drugs, though that was never proven for sure. When she was transported to the hospital, she was administered drugs in the course of her care, which made doing any kind of drug test or tox screens down the line impossible. But tox screens would later reveal that both George and Asia had amphetamine, methamphetamine, and THC in their systems. And that, combined with the fact that the house they were all found in was known for drugs and illegal activity, was made the theory that she might have been using too, a strong possibility.
- [08:23]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
It was a known drug home where people would come in and out of and use drugs. I can't tell you for a fact that they would buy drugs from that house, but we know that there had been some claims of prostitution in that area and some drug use in that area. It looked like it was a house where people would just crash, maybe from time to time. But there was some areas, some of the rooms looked like they were lived in. There was no power at the house, there was no water at the house. So at that time it looked like people were just staying there. We had also heard that the rooms would be rented from time to time. But with that, any and everybody had been in that house. So we'd probably had hundreds of people's prints that had been in and out of that house. You see what I'm saying?
- [09:10]
Ashley Flowers
She's saying it was an evidentiary nightmare. Though detectives were aware of illicit activities going on in the house, they had never actually responded to any calls there before. There wasn't much furniture inside, but with so many people in and out of the house, there were a lot of personal belongings. Detectives actually needed to call in help from another department to just sort through everything and collect the items that seemed most likely to have some kind of relation to the crime. They didn't find any firearms, but they did collect clothing, an LG phone, small amounts of narcotics, bullets, and shell casings. Now, the LG phone was found lying on the bed near George in Asia. But it seems like it was a burner phone. Detectives weren't able to determine who it belonged to or pull anything useful from it. The projectiles they found were all of the same caliber, which Snowden wouldn't release. And they were recovered from the room that Asia and George were found in as well. Now, there were no bullets found by the third victim. The bullet that shot her never exited her body. Now, as all this police activity was unfolding, people in the neighborhood were beginning to wake up for the day. And the massive police presence caused a bit of a frenzy in Moss Point.
- [10:30]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
When we have something, the crowd starts growing. There's usually on an average 50 to 200 people that are up and down the street because everybody knows it's such a small community with 13, 14,000 residents, that when something happens, everybody. Not because everybody gets on their phones and everybody knows somebody that knows somebody that knows the relative. And relatives usually will arrive on scene, which is sometimes problematic because we have crime scene tape up for a reason. People will try to get into the crime scene, and it's. It's insane.
- [11:09]
Ashley Flowers
Here's Asia's uncle Terrence.
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Terrence
I was up going to get some coffee from Lusupa that morning, and one of my friends had called me and told me. He was like, man, check on your niece. I think something bad happened. Cause he was like, you know, he see police and yellow tape and stuff at the house she was at. So I rode by there myself. I rolled by there to see, you know, what was going on, if it was true.
- [11:32]
Ashley Flowers
Even though George and Asia's identities were spreading by word of mouth, it wasn't until the next day that police officially released their names to the public. Almost all other details of the crime scene were kept under wraps to protect the integrity of the investigation, though. And the lack of official information fueled a very powerful rumor mill. Somebody told Terrence that his niece Asia, had been found in a closet surrounded by a pool of blood, clutching a hammer in her hands, almost like she had been trying to defend herself. He remembers hearing that there was, quote, blood leaking out the closet, end quote. George's brother Jonathan heard that George was found shot in a bedroom with a dresser blocking the door, while Terrence heard that George had been shot execution style while on his knees. Another rumor held that both female victims were pregnant at the time of the attack, which the Emmys report reveals is not true. So all this gossip made an initial canvas of the neighborhood challenging for detectives.
- [12:35]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
I mean, we had a lot of information. We had overabundance of information, but nothing was firsthand information. So it was a lot of speculation and rumors that came in initially in the case.
- [12:50]
Ashley Flowers
No one in the neighborhood reported seeing anything or even hearing any gunshots, likely due to the storm that night. So with no eyewitnesses or ear witnesses to the crime, detectives decided to see if they could get anything from surveillance cameras in the area. Now, unfortunately, there was only one neighboring home that had anything. And when police went over there to ask about the footage, the owner said that the cameras were just for show and they didn't actually work. Investigators also tried to check cameras from ATMs, two nearby gas stations, a liquor store, and a housing project to see if there was anything unusual on them around the time of the shooting. Maybe something like cars leaving the area at high speed. But they didn't find anything to help lead them in any particular direction. So with nothing else to go off of, detectives decided to focus on the victims.
- [13:44]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
Who did they hang out with, who did they have problems with, what hobbies they have, what interest? Tell me about their social aspects. Do they get online a lot? So we try to immerse ourselves with knowing as much about that victim so we can narrow who that person, you know, who had access, you know, with this house. Did somebody. Was it somebody they knew? Did the door stay locked or unlocked all the time? Did somebody just walk in? Did somebody break in? We didn't see the house was secured with the exception of the front door at that time. So we're like, did they know this person? So those are questions that we try to figure out early on.
- [14:25]
Ashley Flowers
And most importantly, who was their third victim? Well, they were about to find out by running her prints.
- [14:39]
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- [15:44]
Ashley Flowers
It was about a week after the murders when police learned that the unconscious woman at the hospital was 37 year old Lindsay Foster. Her and it turned out Lindsay's mom Cindy had been worrying about her daughter who had been MIA for days at that point.
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Jonathan
Lindsey always, always texted me or called me on holidays and I told my sister Kathy, I said this is not like Lindsay and a mother's, I guess a mother's heart. I knew something was wrong. I knew something was wrong. And then I was sitting down on the 27th on my couch drinking coffee and I got a phone call and they said, are you Cindy Foster? And I said, yes, I am. This is the police department from Moss Pointe. And I said, I said, yes sir. Is your daughter Lindsey her Foster? And I said, yes sir. Well, she has been in an accident. I didn't know if it was a car accident. He didn't say, which I'm glad he did at the time because I would have lost it. But I was praying. I said, lord please. The whole time I was praying, I said, lord, please don't let it be anything to do with something that she can't recover from. I said just, just give her one more chance.
- [17:12]
Ashley Flowers
I know you might hear it a lot in true crime, but Cindy said it was true of her daughter. She really did light up a room. She was kind, with a great sense of humor. But Lindsay had started using drugs in high school and though she had periods of sobriety, she was in a rough patch. Leading up to the shooting, Lindsay had separated from her husband and Cindy was Taking care of her kids, not always knowing exactly where Lindsay was. Investigators determined that Lindsay had been staying at the Old Slag Roadhouse prior to the shooting, though it wasn't totally clear when she'd moved in or how she'd even met George and Asia. The last Cindy heard, her daughter had been living in Loosedale, Mississippi, which is about an hour from Moss Point. Detective Snowden wasn't sure how Lindsay and George met either, but said it was likely that narcotics were involved. And George had a history of drug arrests.
- [18:06]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
He was a person we were familiar with from calls that we've answered or responded to. He had been arrested a few times. So we knew him, we were familiar with him.
- [18:17]
Ashley Flowers
According to George's brother Jonathan, George had gotten out of prison a few months before the murders and was about to celebrate his first Christmas beyond bars since he was 16. Jonathan said that despite spending most of his adult life incarcerated, George had a soft side.
- [18:33]
George Kirkland
That's one thing about him. He would help out a lot of people. Man, I ain't know he was so kind hearted. Cause you know, with him being in prison half of his whole life, you know, you have to put on a facade and actually be about this sometimes. So it was hard to trust him with all the tattoos on this. You know, people would think. Think that of him when you just look at him. But however, anywhere you went, you. You would hear that my brother was a really good hearted individual, man. He would always help those, and he would help discreet people. Let's say that he was a good brother. Even when we was in the foster home, he would always get me things, man. He had a really good heart. He could draw. He was talented and very smart, actually. But I guess people make poor choices. I would be the best way to explain it.
- [19:19]
Ashley Flowers
Following his release, George had been living in that house on Old Slag Road and would frequently rent out rooms to people in need. In fact, right up until two months before George's murder, Jonathan and his family had been staying in that house as well. Jonathan knew of Lindsay, but he never overlapped with her. He moved out just as she moved in. And they did that because his wife had been getting bad omens.
- [19:46]
George Kirkland
My wife had been having dreams that we was going to get killed or something. It was going to be a shooting come across at some point in time, you know, so we knew this was going to happen to a small extent.
- [19:59]
Ashley Flowers
Jonathan's wife wasn't the only one worried about safety in that house. Asia's family didn't like the idea of her staying there. Either. They were concerned about her relationship with George and his influence over her. The pair had met through somebody else, but had quickly become inseparable. And in the days leading up to the murder, Age's family had actually been trying to get her to move back home with them.
- [20:23]
Terrence
Meeting George wasn't good for her because he was, like, into drug activities. And we was trying to keep her away from environments like that. You know, she had a heart, good as gold, you know, like mine. She didn't mind helping people. You know, she tried to be respectful and manable, you know, like, we raised her, you know, from what time she was around us, you know, we always tried to raise her to be a child, you know, to take your time and live your life. Don't throw your life away to the street life, you know, I think she ended up getting caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time, to be honest with you. I rode around. I went from, like, Ocean Springs to Biloxi. I rode around crying with my girl, you know, just thinking, like, how much we tried to get her away from the house. Like it was just something feel like more you could have done, you know? But the truth of the matter is we done all we could.
- [21:11]
Ashley Flowers
As Asia and George's relatives struggled to come to terms with their deaths, Lindsay clung to life. But tragically, she wouldn't get the one more chance her mom was praying for. She died on January 5, 2020, in the hospital surrounded by relatives. It was a devastating loss to her family and a real blow to the investigation as well. Here's Detective Snowden again.
- [21:37]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
To be honest, we were hoping that she was going to pull through and that we would be able to get some information to help us in the case. But unfortunately, she passed.
- [21:52]
Ashley Flowers
Now working a triple homicide investigation, Detective Snowden wondered if perhaps only one of the victims was the intended target, and maybe the other two were merely collateral damage. Which left detectives to speculate about a motive.
- [22:07]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
The motive doesn't appear to be robbery, so the motive appears to be personal. Like there was some personal conflict between someone in that home and our suspect. Up close and personal, Pretty much. I mean, don't see where anything was taken, don't see where anything was left. You know, just seemed like they wanted them not around. We started getting information, quite a bit of information from confidential informants that, you know, we have in the city, people that we talk to about the case that led us to, you know, we do have a person of interest. Several names come up, but through those different names that came up, this one sticks. Out the most. So there are other persons of interest, but there is one main person of interest, yes, He's a known user known to move stuff on the street quite often, whether it's stolen stuff, personal stuff, just moving sale on the street, you know, kind of hustling.
- [23:17]
Ashley Flowers
We'll call this person of interest Charlie. He had a criminal history with arrests dating back to 2001. In fact, his nickname was Sea Murder, and by all accounts he knew both Asia and George, so detectives needed to talk to him. Have you ever had a feeling that someone wasn't being fully truthful with you? When you need to do a gut check because you're pretty sure something isn't adding up about someone's past, you should turn to Truthfinder. Whether it's a creepy neighbor or a random phone number that keeps calling you, Truthfinder has you covered. You can search for people by phone number, address, name, email, and more. Truthfinder can be especially helpful for running confidential background checks on anyone you're planning to meet from Online dating apps. If you're on a dating app, you need to be on Truth Finder 2. TruthFinder helps you identify potential threats so you can avoid them and protect yourself. Millions of people use Truthfinder to find out about people in their communities. If you've got questions about someone, you need to try TruthFinder. Go to truthfinder.com thedeck for a special the Deck offer. That's truthfinder.com thedeck to access your special offer today.
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- [25:39]
Ashley Flowers
Coincidentally, on December 30, detectives ended up bringing Charlie in on a completely separate chart. So in the process of talking to him for that thing and then connecting the dots, they decided to bring up the triple homicide. And according to Detective Snowden, Charlie just shut down. The little information he did provide in terms of his whereabouts on the date of the murders couldn't be corroborated. And when detectives tried to schedule a follow up interview, he lawyered up. Detectives theorized that there might have been some money owed from George to Charlie or vice versa, and maybe that could have been the motive. There were also some indications that Asia might have been involved in a relationship with Charlie, which created a rift between the two men and therefore another potential motive for murder. George's brother Jonathan was also suspicious of Charlie, who had apparently lived at the old Slag roadhouse with George. At some point.
- [26:39]
George Kirkland
I used to associate with Charlie through connections or whatever the case may be, and I don't know exactly how my brother was killed, bro. But Charlie had made a suggestion of doing something to his own family members.
- [26:54]
Ashley Flowers
Jonathan wondered, if Charlie had this attitude towards his own family, what did that mean for a roommate? Detectives went back over their surveillance video, hoping to track Charlie's movements. And while there was no visual evidence putting him at the crime scene that night, there was nothing showing him to be anywhere else either. But because Charlie lawyered up, there was no way to continue down this line of questioning. Plus, detectives didn't want to get tunnel vision based on rumors.
- [27:25]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
If we convicted on the rumor mill, half the city would be locked up right now. If we could just go, oh, the whole community here just said, this person did it and you're going to jail. We can't do that. But half the city would be locked up right now because everybody's about telling on somebody else but not wanting to go to the courtroom and testify under oath that they're swearing the information because they heard it from so and so that heard it from their hairdresser, they heard it from their mechanic. You know, so it's constantly chasing down those things.
- [27:57]
Ashley Flowers
Another theory that was spreading on the street at the time revolved around drug dealings and some disgruntled gang members. George's brother had heard the same thing, though he didn't want to talk about this theory in detail out of fear of possible retaliation. And Detective Snowden was familiar with this as well.
- [28:19]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
We heard that too. But no, that was early on. There was a. There still is, you know, gang activity that may possibly be cartel related or believed to be cartel related that are in this area as well, and that was one of the rumors, but we almost hear that same rumor come up with each homicide case that we have. We can't rule that out. So there again we have Charlie, who is our most probable person of interest. But we're open minded that there could be something else. Maybe Charlie was contacted by this alleged cartel. You know, anything's possible. My thoughts, my intuition tells me it's one person, it was personal and others were witnesses and they didn't want witnesses. And solving this case is going to depend if that person responsible shared any information with somebody about it, then that person he shared or told it to. Those are the people I need to come forward today.
- [29:28]
Ashley Flowers
Detective Snowden estimates that between family members, neighbors and friends, she's spoken to over 30 people in this case that claim to have second or even third hand information about who committed these murders. But no one has had any proof. She even mentioned that she's recently gotten some tips from the state playing card decks. But those tipsters only gave information that police already heard. Snowden said it has been over 4, 4 years since she's had a real promising lead in this case.
- [29:58]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
Disheartening to us because we want to speak for the victim and we want to try and help the victim's family because it weighs on us heavily. You know, when we have these cases that we know somebody's got that bit of information, we know it's there and they don't come forward, then there's nothing that we can do. I always have hopes that we'll talk to that right person as time goes on. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes it's a good thing. When time goes on, people may not be in the same situation themselves as they were in 2019. And you come right back around and loop with them and meet up with them and everything you needed is right there. There is some other things that the crime lab at that time wasn't taking that they would take. Now as I reviewed some of this stuff, I thought, I'm going to follow with some of those items just to see, because you don't always send everything you got to the crime lab. You send what you think is relevant. But we have a lot of evidence. So could other things be submitted? Yes, absolutely, there could be some other stuff. But I want some relevance before sending that, you know, not just are we going to get something from this, are we going to get something from that? It's, you know, definitely the shell casings and things like that went. And I hope that there will be a connection with that.
- [31:21]
Ashley Flowers
At some point, what Detective Snowden is really hoping to find is the gun that was used in the murders. If she can tie the projectiles to a specific gun and then trace that gun back to a specific person, that could be enough for probable cause. But in the meantime, Detective Snowden wants to go back through the case file again, page by page to see if there's any anything that was initially missed or anyone that should be re interviewed. She wants her other detectives to get involved too, especially those who weren't with the department in 2019, because they can come at it with fresh eyes. And it's not just this triple homicide that she's focusing on.
- [32:04]
Detective Kimberly Snowden
We've got a lot of older cases too that we're working on. And I always try to explain to the families there's hope. As long as you have somebody willing to try and keep the case alive in this, the momentum going, there's hope. Don't ever give up on hope. Sometimes we can solve a case and sometimes we can't. But we try.
- [32:24]
Ashley Flowers
For George, Asia and Lindsay's families, closure is paramount.
- [32:30]
Terrence
Now the day go by we don't think about our family member Asia. I had to pray to God and find closure that way with myself to just put it in God's hand that he would know what I'm saying, seek justice and make sure that our family get the proper closure for her life.
- [32:44]
George Kirkland
You know, man, the peace and closure that I want is I want to know exactly who did it. I want to know without a shadow of a doubt. I mean, I'm destroyed constantly.
- [32:57]
Jonathan
You know, that person that did the horrendous act, they put a lot of people in torment for the rest of their life because from one horrific act, you have a lifetime of sorrow. A lifetime. It never goes away.
- [33:19]
Ashley Flowers
You can help bring closure to these families. If you know anything about the triple homicide of George Kirkland, Asia Norman and Lindsay Foster her in Moss Point, Mississippi In December of 2019, we urge you to speak up. You can reach the Moss Point Police Department at 228-475-1711 and ask for investigations. Or if you prefer to remain anonymous, you can call Mississippi coast Crime Stoppers at 877-787-5898. The deck is an audio Chuck production with theme music music by Ryan Lewis. To learn more about the deck and our advocacy work, visit thedeckpodcast.com so what do you think, Chuck? Do you approve?
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