Blaire White On Growing Up Broken, Going Viral, and Finding Herself

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Determined Society with Shawn French

Guest: Blaire White

Episode Title: Blaire White On Growing Up Broken, Going Viral, and Finding Herself
Date: June 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid and thought-provoking episode, Shawn French sits down with Blaire White—widely known as a controversial YouTuber, political commentator, and host of The Blaire White Project. Their conversation moves far beyond viral headlines, delving into Blaire’s difficult upbringing, the price and purpose of being a polarizing public figure, spirituality after trauma, the pressures of internet fame, mental health, and finding identity and determination through adversity. The episode is heartfelt, at times humorous, and always raw as both Shawn and Blaire pull back their public personas for an honest look at what it means to persist, evolve, and lead in today’s culture wars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Blaire’s Early Life & Unique Childhood

• Growing Up in Northern California (Chico):
  • Both Shawn and Blaire reminisce about Chico’s party culture before moving into heavier topics.
  • Blaire shares that growing up in a “cult” environment on her father’s side left deep spiritual and psychological scars.
    • “I did grow up in a cult and so, as is the case with anyone who grows up in an environment like that, there’s a lot of spiritual trauma.” – Blaire (08:35)
  • The cult had roots in occult practices and rituals, kept secret even from her mother.
    • “They were definitely into one of the big basis—one of the things was like, witchcraft stuff… It was just a lot of ugly, inappropriate stuff to be around kids.” – Blaire (10:51)

Trauma, Identity, and Spiritual Awakening

• Coping with Trauma & Identity:
  • As a child, Blaire lived in “autopilot,” constantly in survival mode, grappling not only with cult trauma but also gender dysphoria.
  • Ultimately, Blaire separated her family’s beliefs from her own, seeking her own form of spirituality as an adult.
• Psychedelic Experience as Spiritual Catalyst:
  • A DMT experience in 2024 opened her up to spirituality after decades of skepticism due to her upbringing.
  • “When I tried it, I discovered that was really real and I didn’t have any concept of that beforehand, so it was pretty like shocking.” – Blaire (07:56)
  • Now, faith and belief in a bigger divine plan are part of her resilience:
    • “I just know God has some other stuff for me in the future. So I’m just trying to coast and follow whatever plan God has.” – Blaire (07:27)

Fame, Internet Backlash, and Public Pressure

• Viral Moments and Security Threats:
  • Blaire recounts serious backlash after posting controversial content in 2017, including death threats and FBI involvement:
    • “There was a period in 2017 where I had made a video criticizing Black Lives Matter.… and actually the FBI contacted me.” – Blaire (00:00, 59:57)
  • Despite the risks and toxicity, especially for political commentators, she persists out of a sense of purpose and determination.
• Handling Hate and Public Opinion:
  • Both Shawn and Blaire reflect on why internet reactions are rarely about the creator and more about the commenter’s personal issues.
    • “Public figures are really like mirrors to people… It really has everything to do with them.” – Blaire (18:01)
  • Blaire never reads comments as a rule to protect her mental health—advice from veterans like Joe Rogan and Roseanne Barr.
    • “Just don’t read the comments.” – Blaire (57:40)
• Changing Friendships and Isolation of Fame:
  • Blaire lost many friends when she started gaining traction online; some even “hate-watched” her early videos; now she finds more kinship with fellow creators.
    • “I lost most of my friends when I started… doing like hate watch parties.” – Blaire (33:20)

Gender, Politics, and Social Controversy

• Trans Issues & Media Responsibility:

  • Blaire is outspoken against children transitioning and the current “sanctuary state” legislation in California, calling child transitions “child abuse.”
    • “If even one parent wants the kid to transition, they do it still. So that needs to be fixed because that’s child abuse.” – Blaire (00:39, 39:20)
  • Discusses the dangers of children being influenced by both right- and left-wing podcasts, and sees a responsibility to balance authenticity and public influence.
  • She hopes to run for office in California to enact real change, especially on trans and homelessness issues.
    • “I want to not just, like, talk about politics. I want to, like, make real change on paper.” – Blaire (39:09)

• Masculinity/Femininity in Media:

  • The duo analyze toxic trends in both “manosphere” and “feminist” podcasts, with Blaire critiquing harmful “just be as sexual as men” narratives for women.
    • “…That’s the worst kind of advice to give to women.” – Blaire (20:49)

Identity Loss, Adulthood, and Redemption

• Post-Athletic Identity and Toxic 20s:
  • Shawn opens up about his own lost years after sports ended, toxic behaviors, and severed friendships—a theme Blaire connects with as she reflects on dramatic life changes post-transition and post-fame.
    • “So my 20s, the rest of my 20s, I spent drinking way too much… I was very toxic to be around.” – Shawn (25:55)
    • “Not only do people not know who I am now… I didn’t look like this, surgery, trans, all that. So sometimes it’s hard to connect with most people from, like, my childhood.” – Blaire (31:53)

Mental Health, Anxiety, and the Cost of Vulnerability

• Personal Struggles with Anxiety:
  • Both share their struggles:
    • Shawn has severe anxiety, often fearing for his family’s safety; had panic attacks after his son was born; once relied on medication but changed course after adverse effects.
      • “I was taking him to daycare… terrified of bridges.” – Shawn (48:31)
    • Blaire copes with performance pressure and timelines not lived up to, leading to self-criticism and anxiety.
      • “Not living up to what I know I can. I’m my own worst enemy a lot of the times.” – Blaire (44:21)
  • Both agree that lifestyle, diet, and exercise are transformative for mental health, and challenge the over-prescription of psych meds for children.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Blaire on adversity shaping drive:

  • “You have the ability to transmute anything… as long as you know, like, there will be a way to use this to make me a better person, you’re never a victim… you’re never at the whim of the world.” (64:15)

• Shawn on the dangers of living in denial:

  • “The one thing that does drive me crazy when people say, ‘I’ve never… I’ve never been through adversity.’... You’re turning your back on it. You’re not accepting it.” (66:49)

• Blaire on the responsibility and toll of being online:

  • “All of the most successful people I’ve known have said the same thing—just don’t read the comments.” (57:40)

• Blaire’s path to spirituality:

  • “It wasn’t until hitting about 30… that I was like, let me not section myself off from this part of life that helps people.” (08:35)

• On toxic gender media:

  • “Men and women aren’t the same, but also there’s levels to it—no one’s all the way in one direction either.” – Blaire (20:49)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00-00:52: Blaire details 2017 backlash, FBI warning, and dangers of online political content
• 02:05-04:44: Memories of Chico, youth, and “ageing out” of party culture
• 07:27-08:27: The move from religion-based trauma to spirituality and DMT’s impact
• 10:51-12:19: Description of cult upbringing, occult rituals, family secrets
• 20:49-23:10: Critique of toxic podcast trends for both men and women, and impact on youth
• 23:19-24:46: Blaire denounces child transitions and online gender confusion
• 31:53-33:39: The impact of fame on old friendships; “hate-watch” parties by former roommates
• 44:21-45:16: Blaire and Shawn discuss anxiety—origins, effects, and limits of self-critique
• 48:31-51:03: Medication experiences, dangers, and alternatives for mental health struggles
• 54:00-56:09: Parenting, ADHD, and the power of executive functioning coaches over medication
• 59:57-61:14: FBI involvement after viral controversy; ongoing security threats for Blaire
• 64:03-66:58: Final reflections on the meaning of determination and the true value of adversity

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Closing Insight: The Meaning of Determination

• Shawn’s signature question:
  • “What does being determined actually mean to you?” (64:03)
• Blaire’s answer:
  • “It means knowing that when you go through things, it’s not permanent. … as long as you know, like, there will be a way to use this to make me a better person, you’re never a victim.” (64:15)

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Overall Episode Tone

Humorous, honest, and cathartic, the episode is filled with empathy, tough truths, and an insistence on finding meaning in hardship. Both host and guest create an environment where vulnerability is strength and determination isn’t perfection, but progress—demonstrating the real human stories behind viral controversies and internet fame.

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Recommended For:
Anyone interested in the intersection of adversity, social controversy, gender/identity politics, mental health, and resilience—whether a fan of Blaire’s or new to her story, the episode offers valuable perspective on surviving and thriving in the modern media landscape.

Transcript

[Blaire White]

There was a period in 2017 where I had made a video criticizing Black Lives Matter. It ended up with, like, people taking pictures, holding guns, wanting to come get me. And actually the FBI contacted me.

[Sean]

When you look back at things, right, is there anything that you've ever said that you regret saying? Not because of facts, but emotionally, I'm

[Blaire White]

imperfect and I'm very, like, passionate about what I say. So sometimes that comes through a vehicle of, like, heightened emotions.

[Sean]

One of the Internet's most talked about creators, her content blends politics, personal experiences, and controversial cultural Topics. She's a YouTuber, political commentator, and host of the Blaire White Project.

[Blaire White]

Honing in on just the trans part. It's a sanctuary state, quote unquote, for trans kids, which means if even one parent wants the kid to transition, they do it still. So that needs to be fixed because that's child abuse.

[Sean]

When you say kids are getting sucked into the trans podcast and it's leading down the wrong direction, like, what, what direction do you mean? Like, what is it doing to them?

[Blaire White]

Yeah, I. I think that there's a lot of.

[Sean]

Imagine being a young kid growing up in Chico, father passing away at 19 years old, really trying to find your identity. And once she found her identity, it was like, where is your actual place? You know? This individual, to me is the heartbeat of determination, because everything that she has overcome to grab a hold of who she really is, despite all the judgment that the world and society has brought her, I have with me today the queen of controversy, Blair White.

[Blaire White]

Thank you so much. That was a really nice intro.

[Sean]

Well, thank you. I screwed up the first one, but the second one was much better.

[Blaire White]

It was perfect.

[Sean]

Yeah. So it's good to meet you. I'm so happy that we're finally connecting.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, I'm excited to be here. This is going to be good. We chatted a little bit about, like, certain topics. I'm excited to dive in.

[Sean]

Yeah, I just, you know, it's just. I want to bring out the different side, you know, I want, I want, I want to shock the world to. To see that we're going to do something different here. So it's gonna be fun. Let's go back to Chico.

[Blaire White]

I mean, Northern California, it's very different. A lot of people, I feel like, don't even know much about Northern California. It's all about, like, LA San Fran, which is still fairly northern, but, you know. Yeah, they don't really know.

[Sean]

Well, Chico's, you know. And again, for the audience, we grew up within probably about three hours from Each other, so. I know Ch. I've been to Chico. I know what goes on there. It's a lot of fun. It's a party. It's a college party town.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, it is. It's kind of like a oasis amongst a little or a lot of really small towns with not much going on. So I feel like everyone like lets loose there. So it was fun place to be when I was, you know, in my early 20s.

[Sean]

Same, same. You know, we used to go up there. My buddy, I told you earlier, like about a week ago on the phone, my buddy Mike, he went to, he moved up there and he, I think he was doing some school or something or just going up there to, just to live. And we'd always go see him and he's like, you guys gotta come up. Trust me. It's, it's a great time. And so we, you know, have all of our drinks and then we just walk around and we jump in, you know, baby pools in people's front yards. People would scream, you know, very chico. It's, it's so, it's so strange there. But, you know, we, we always had a blast. You know, we, we always felt like shit the next two or three days.

[Blaire White]

Right?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

It's easier when you're in your 20s. Can't do that.

[Sean]

Yeah, no, I can't. Like, if I drinks now, like, I will feel like ass for three days.

[Blaire White]

I'm the exact same way. It, it just kills you.

[Sean]

You're. And you're much younger than me. I'm four. I'm, I'm pushing 48.

[Blaire White]

Oh, really? Okay. I didn't think you were 48.

[Sean]

See, I love that. See, that's why I say that. So I can hear people say, like, you don't look 48. No, it's, it's one of those things. For me, it just. I, I, I don't, I don't live like that anymore. I can't because I'm not sharp. And then when you have, you know, three children and a wife, it's kind of hard to be hungover.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

And still be a functional father or a present father and a present husband.

[Blaire White]

So I like marijuana these days a little more than alcohol, you know? You know, relaxes you.

[Sean]

I gotta tell you, I've never said this on the air, but I love it.

[Blaire White]

Really?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

Why haven't you said it?

[Sean]

I don't know. It's just kind of like one of those things I just kind of keep to myself. But what I don't like is the

[Blaire White]

munchies yeah, that's a problem.

[Sean]

Yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem. So, you know, but again, like, it's. To me, it's much better than drinking 1,000.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Yeah. There's no hangover. And I feel like you can have some, like. Just, like, higher thoughts on it. You can kind of figure some stuff out.

[Sean]

You can get really creative.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You know, and. And it's like, you can. For me, sometimes I can downshift finally, you know, just kind of be silly and just laugh at dumb. But.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You know, not very often, but, you know, here and there, I might dabble.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, same.

[Sean]

Damn you. Why'd you do that? You know, you outed me.

[Blaire White]

I. Out of myself first.

[Sean]

You've never said that.

[Blaire White]

Oh, no, actually, I guess I have. Yeah. My. My subscribers know I'm a slight.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

Stoner. Just a little bit.

[Sean]

Ain't nothing wrong with it. Ain't nothing wrong with it. You know, so many states are legalizing it. You know, Florida's, you know, medicinal. Cali's wide open.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. You compare it to, like, you know, drunk drivers and the amount of stupid things that anyone can and will do on alcohol. There's really no comparison. It's my opinion.

[Sean]

Yeah, it's wild. But you had an interesting evening the other night.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, I was at the Hilton. At the White House correspondence night. And that's when the. I don't want to say anything that gets demonetized, but that's when the bang bangs happened, and it was pretty crazy.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

And it's been really surreal to, like, be near something like that in real life, which I've never been. And then going online and, like, seeing everyone saying it was fake, which, like, in fairness, I don't know what was behind it all. It could all be a conspiracy, but at the same time, it's, like, just weird.

[Sean]

It's kind of a really shitty thing to fake if it were fake. But the thing that I've noticed about all these things with the attempts on. On him is people are starting to. To say things like that. Like, it's fake. It was staged. Why would anybody stage that? I don't know. I guess I don't. I don't think that way. I look at things, I'm like, okay, that's reality. And when it happened, my heart, to be fair, and I texted you, and, you know, my heart sunk. I'm like, oh, shit. Blair's at that dinner.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, it was pretty crazy. But, you know, luckily no one I believe died, so there's been worse Tragedies, you know.

[Sean]

Yeah, I just. It's kind of scary to the point where like this is becoming normalcy and you know, everywhere it's like there's always something going on and I don't know if it's because of the social media age. There's more people reporting it quick, you know, quicker and there's no regulation. Right. I can post whatever I want. Anybody can post anything at any time they want. But before it used to be the news outlets, so it was like, you know, they, they had a flow that they did and maybe they protected us from some things or didn't want to report on some others. But yeah, now it's like fair game.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, it's really, really weird times. And as someone who's been talking politics and social issues for nearly a decade now, actually I think it has been a decade. It's the weirdest, most toxic time to do it, in my opinion.

[Sean]

Does any of it get scary for you? Like outside of what happened at the dinner, like, have you ever thought about how do you get scared?

[Blaire White]

Not really, no. No. I feel like I've survived so much and been through so much that it's like I kind of just know it's not my time yet. Like, I kind of just know God has some other stuff for me in the future. So I'm just trying to coast and follow whatever plan God has.

[Sean]

I love that you've gotten pretty spiritual. Yeah, I think like, what was it, 20, 24 you did DMT and you had a little bit talk to me about that experience.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, I, I had heard, I guess, of like people having like spiritual revelations or heightened, you know, things like that. But when I tried it, I discovered that was really real and I didn't have any concept of that beforehand, so it was pretty like shocking.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

But it was also that in fairness and also like a combination of like a lot of other things in my life that kind of like just opened up that part of me. So it's a, it's an important part, I think, of like life.

[Sean]

Yeah. When you say opened up things that were going on in your life, was it the subconscious things and that you were burying in the back from the past that kind of came to the forefront?

[Blaire White]

Yeah, yeah, I definitely, I've probably mentioned it like once or twice without going into much detail, but I did grow up in a cult and so as is the case with like anyone who grows up in an environment like that, there's like a lot of spiritual trauma. And so I think I kind of rejected Any idea of, like, religion or spirituality or God throughout, like, my childhood, early adult life. And it wasn't until hitting about 30, 29, 30, that I was like, well, you know what? Let me not section myself off from this part of life that I can see does help a lot of people and does mean a lot to people just because of my own personal situation. So, yeah, that's when I kind of decided, you know, what? My. My family's thing is their thing. And I survived it. I'm away from them now. Let me see if there's any sort of, like, spirituality I feel like I'm compatible with as an individual and not having it forced on me. So that's been.

[Sean]

That's been the thing that's interesting because, you know, I think it was on your dad's side, right?

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah. So as a child, you're dealing with identity things, you know, gender dysmorphia. And then now your. Your father's side of the family is this cult thing. That's a lot for a child to deal with.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, it was a lot.

[Sean]

How did you reconcile that?

[Blaire White]

I think I sort of just was like, on autopilot. I was in survival mode. It was. I know there's lots of different types of cults out there, and so people are probably like, well, what kind was it? Mormon, was it? You know, whatever. And there's not necessarily, like, a label for it. It's something that was in my family's bloodline for going back hundreds of thousands of years. Like, it's been like, a really strong thing in that family. And so it was a little more sectioned off, even from extreme religiosity. It wasn't necessarily that. And so it just gave me, like, a sour perspective on people who believed in God or spirituality or whatever. I just always tuned it out. But, you know, I'm. I'm. I've overcome a lot of it too, though, so. Wow.

[Sean]

What were some of the things that you remember as a child that were just kind of. You. You saw it and you're like, that's not right, or this is scary.

[Blaire White]

Oh, man. They were definitely into one of the big basis. One of the things was, like, witchcraft stuff.

[Sean]

Oh, no.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, it was the. It was the occult sort of stuff. So there was rituals I was around and a part of and, you know, nothing like, so obscene. Like, I never witnessed anything. Like, you hear, like, extreme horror stories. Mine's like a horror story, but luckily not like an extreme one. It was just a lot of ugly, inappropriate stuff to be around kids and, like, that side of my family, my dad's side, they kept my mom from it as well. So this was all revelations that I had to, like, tell my mom as well, once I came of age and understanding to be like, you know, they were, like, doing all this stuff. Right. And it makes sense to her now, but it was so.

[Sean]

She didn't know.

[Blaire White]

It was so lock and key that even, like, my mom and her side of the family had no clue.

[Sean]

But you knew because you were your father's child.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. And so I. And. And. And my father was. You know, how you can be, like, raised a Catholic, and so you'll go to, like, Easter mass. You'll go. And it's more of, like, a cultural, like, family thing. That's kind of how my dad was. He wasn't, like, a true believer in it, but he would still take me to the events and to the rituals and stuff like that. And so that's how I ended up being around it. It was much more serious to my grandmother and her generation and above. Wow. Yeah.

[Sean]

You know, when people talk about childhood trauma or things like that, things that you go through as a child, I look back at my childhood, and of course, I have some things that I went through, but nothing like that. Right. And it just goes to show that what you've created in your life, you've overcome so many different things. You know, you've overcome the judgment, you've overcome the childhood. It's admirable. You're a strong woman, and I admire that about you. And I hate when you catch heat. I hate it.

[Blaire White]

It's part of the gag.

[Sean]

It is. I don't. You know, it's funny because I always. People say, you don't catch enough heat, Sean. I'm like, because I'm too safe, you

[Blaire White]

don't catch it now?

[Sean]

I don't catch enough heat because. Because, you know, I've been very safe.

[Blaire White]

Right, Right.

[Sean]

Because, you know, you can do it two ways. Right. You can come on the scene, you can be confrontational right away or controversial, whatever you want to name it, or you can take the slow path. And I kind of took the slow path, Right. Of building and building and building. And now I think it's time to. To kind of start having some stronger opinions and having stronger conversations on the show and. And kind of teetering the line a little bit, so. So we can. So we can grow. But. But, yeah, it's interesting to me, like, the heat that certain people take. I kind of look over to the side left and the right of me. I'm like, thank God that ain't me. Because I actually, I'll take it back. I caught heat one time for what? I was on Piers Morgan.

[Blaire White]

Okay, okay, That'll do it.

[Sean]

Oh, geez. Won't it? You know, so the. The conversation was surrounding around the. The manosphere, right. And that's when Adolescence came out on Netflix. Remember that? Like last year, where the young boy, they. But it was a. Like a uk. It was set in the uk. This young boy was taken by the police. They. They came to the house, busted down the door, snagged him. They said, your son is going to jail. You know, he's suspect. He's a suspect in a murder.

[Blaire White]

Oh, I didn't see this. Okay.

[Sean]

It's actually really good. It's really good. But the whole thing of it going through the whole show was more about the manosphere and misogyny and all that kind of.

[Blaire White]

People get heated about that.

[Sean]

Huh?

[Blaire White]

People get heated about that.

[Sean]

Oh, they do.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Right. And they even mentioned, you know, Andrew and Tristan and, you know, Tate in the show. And so what they were trying to show is, like, that. That young boys, that if they go to let the Internet raise them, then the Internet will raise them.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

If you're watching a man or a woman telling you how to be right, well, then if you don't have a strong family unit or whatever, or if your parents don't have their finger on it, then you can fall into that. And so you look at this thing in the show, and you're like, there's no way this kid did it. You're waiting for the shoe to drop. Well, the wrong shoe dropped. And at one point, he completely morphs, and he's just in the face of the psychologist in jail. And I'm like, this is the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. And it was. It was an amazing limited series. Well, they. They asked me to come on and be one of the panelists, and it was absolutely wild. So, like, most of the panelists were in the camp that a woman should stay home, homeschool the kids, cook all the meals, don't leave the house, serve the husband and the family. I'm from the school of thought. If my wife wants to work and she enjoys it and she's fulfilled, do you Boo.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

I. I don't have traditional roles in my house. I. You know, we see something that needs

[Blaire White]

to be done, we do it and someone does it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean]

So, like, if I walk by the laundry room when my wife's at, you know, teaching at school with. And she's, you know, a Spanish teacher. And if I walk by in the morning, I'm like, okay, I should probably do this load of laundry. I'm gonna do the load of laundry, you know, and to me, that's okay.

[Blaire White]

Well, I mentioned that's how 90% of people are, too.

[Sean]

Yes, but the 10 is the loudest.

[Blaire White]

Yes.

[Sean]

Right. And, boy, did I get torched on X. I got torched on YouTube. I was called a closet feminist. And I said in there, and. And the dude, Andrew was on there. I can't remember his last name, but he's.

[Blaire White]

I think I know which one you're talking about. Andrew Wilson, maybe.

[Sean]

Like, he's the one that's just ripping heaters every time he's on camera.

[Blaire White]

I think so, yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah, he's on whatever. A lot. Whatever that.

[Blaire White]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's him.

[Sean]

Yeah. And. And, you know, look at it could be a character. I don't know. I don't know the guy personally, but I was. I said, I love the fact that my wife is out working, doing what she wants to do. I'm all for it. And then, you know, the Internet goes, sean also thinks, I love watching my wife get dicked down by another dude because that's what she wants. I'm like, yeah, because those two are the same.

[Blaire White]

Right, Right. That's totally a natural leap.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's a nice arc right there from, you know, allowing my wife out of the house so she can work to this. I mean, it's just kind of crazy to me, but I took massive heat on YouTube and X, and it was so uncomfortable for me. I called my publicist. I said, hey, what do I do? She's. What do you mean? I was like, do you. Are you seeing this? Like, I'm getting torched. Like, this is uncomfortable for me. She said, welcome to fame. I was like, I'm not famous yet. I said, but this is just weird. Like, what do I do? Do I respond? She goes, let it. Just let it eat. It'll go. It'll go away. And of course it went away. Yeah, it surely did. But that was the one time I caught extreme amount of heat was YouTube and X.

[Blaire White]

Right. And Piers Morgan is such a heated, like, environment. But, you know, if you're public, figures are really like mirrors to people. And when they see us speaking or sharing our opinions on things, you know, they're reacting with their own insecurities in hand with their own life perspectives with their own relationships they're in, or the fact that they're not in a relationship at all, and maybe they desperately want to be. And so they're sort of like forcing how they think it should be onto what you're saying. And then it's all about how they feel about themselves. And that sounds like kind of like a cheesy or like a cliche way of saying it, but it really has everything to do with them.

[Sean]

Well, you know, I think everybody time someone responds or reacts to something. Right. Like, if I say something to you. Right. That is completely mean and towards you, it's not about you, it's about me.

[Blaire White]

Right, right.

[Sean]

Those are my issues.

[Blaire White]

Right, right.

[Sean]

And so what I think we have going on is, like, with the Internet is there's so many people just attack and attack and attack. It's like you can't even give an objective opinion in even more without somebody coming after you. It's what the fuck's going on here.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

You know? Yeah, my buddy did a. He does podcast rankings sometimes. He's a therapist. He's awesome, dude. Love the guy tremendously. And he was ranking podcasts recently, so. Podcast for Men, you know, and of course, you know, he did Rogan Alex Cooper, you know, call her Daddy, you know, that. That show. And, um, he did Theo Vaughn, I

[Blaire White]

believe that shows Toxic on the other.

[Sean]

Yeah, we can go there. Yeah, I want to go there. But. But first. So then, you know, then he did Jordan Peterson and you know. Which one? A couple other ones. And he rated me a 10. He's been on my show. He understands how I work, the level of conversation. And the cathartic part of the interviews here is high level and high value.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Because you also have like, God forbid, like some emotional intelligence. Like, you have empathy. And those are things that, for whatever reason, a lot of people feel like they're going to be hurting their brain if they have that. If they allow any gray area, it has to be all the way this or all the way that, you know?

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly. And I just feel like when. When those things, when that happened, the thread still goes off. Like, people are saying, you're an idiot. You're an absolute idiot. Jordan Peterson's a 10. Well, they're confusing his. His conversations with his podcast, and now.

[Blaire White]

And now it's flipped on him. And a lot of people don't like him.

[Sean]

Right. I mean, and again, like, I have nothing against anybody. I don't have anything against Alex Cooper either. Nothing. Yeah, I just feel we can go there. You said it was Toxic on the other end. What are your. What are your thoughts there?

[Blaire White]

Well, yeah, I mean, you have all these, like, male centric podcasts that are like, your wife shouldn't be able to work, and you should be able to, you know, have sex with as many women as possible. And then you have on, like, a. Call her daddy. I see all these clips of her saying that you should just be a. If you're a woman and you should just be as, you know, sexual as, like, men around you. And that's, like, the worst kind of advice to give to women. Like, you know, men and women aren't the same, but also there's levels to, like, you don't. No one's all the way in one direction either.

[Sean]

Yeah, it's interesting because I know exactly what you're talking about. Most recently, Nikki Glazier was on there and. And she was talking about her husband. If it was just physical, she's good with it.

[Blaire White]

What do we mean? Like.

[Sean]

Like, if. If the husband went out and slept around, she's good with it. I'm okay. Because it's not emotional.

[Blaire White]

See, that sounds like. Like cope.

[Sean]

Like a what?

[Blaire White]

Like cope kind of like. So. Yeah, I don't think that's an accurate statement.

[Sean]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[Blaire White]

Maybe. Maybe it is for her, because maybe that. Maybe they swing that way on an

[Sean]

individual level, but maybe, you know, I. I like Nikki Glazer. I think she's funny as. But also, that interview came out, like, a week or something. It was very close. I saw the clip. Very close to when that new special came out. So, you know, you got to understand the PR cycle, right?

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean]

But I think the one thing that concerns me is I heard one interview, and I believe it was with Katy Perry, and Katy Perry said, you know, every time my man does the dishes, I go down on him to give. That's like the attaboy.

[Blaire White]

Okay.

[Sean]

And so I'm thinking, like, what if my daughter is 16 right now?

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

And she. And she comes across that clip.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

Goes to the. Goes to the episode and listens to it. Like, to me, that's a problem.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Then it's different. Yeah. When you have. When you have kids. And, you know, and the thing is, kids are consuming podcasts now, so it's. It's. It's bad. And then in. In my world, you know, like, there's a lot of kids that are getting sucked into, like, trans podcasts and shows and. And all of that, steering them in the wrong direction, too. So it's. There is a, like a responsibility with being a public figure that I try to walk the line of that while also being an imperfect person.

[Sean]

When you say kids are getting sucked into the trans podcast and it's lead them down the wrong direction, like, what. What direction do you mean? Like, what is it doing to them?

[Blaire White]

Yeah, I. I think that there's a lot of. Trans is like, a political thing now when it not. It didn't used to be. And so there's a lot of ideology pushed on kids now that, you know, puts them in the wrong. In the wrong lane. And I don't think kids should transition. That's my stance. I've always felt that way, and so I feel very strongly about it, actually. So it's. It's weird to be a kid, I think, on the Internet now. It's like you're either getting indoctrinated by, like, people who don't know if they're men or women or by men who are the toxic kind of man or by women who are the toxic kind of women. Gender in and of itself is, like, an issue lately.

[Sean]

Yeah. I mean, it's been that way for a few years. Right. It's gotten very political. It's gotten very in our face. And. And to me, I'm looking at this, I'm like, why is. What one individual chooses to do with themselves, adults? Why is it. Why is it political? Why is it all over my feed? Like, go do what you want to do. You know, I mean, it was. It's not like you were seven and then you, they. Your parents allowed you to do it.

[Blaire White]

Right. That's insane.

[Sean]

Like, it is insane, but there's a lot of people that are doing it right now, and. And it's hard for me to stomach because as or 8 year old, your brain's not fully formed. I don't even know if mine's still. I don't even know if mine's fully formed yet. Like, I mean, 25 is the age, right? Supposedly.

[Blaire White]

I mean, that sounds funny, but I feel like mine didn't until, like, 30. And then maybe when I'm 40, I feel like it didn't until 40, you know?

[Sean]

Yeah. I feel different at 47 than I even did at 43 or 40.

[Blaire White]

Really.

[Sean]

Very much more mature. Yeah.

[Blaire White]

You know, would you ever do your 20s again? I would not.

[Sean]

No. I. I just. I refuse. I refuse. I was a mess. I was a mess. I had just finished baseball at lsu. My career never took off there because of injuries and Bad attitude, you know, going through the rehabilitation process of my arm and coming back. And I remember sitting at the College World Series when we had gotten beat, we were there two games, we lost two games, we were going home. And I mean, we were number one or two in the nation. And so it wasn't supposed to happen like that. And I remember standing in right field and I was looking around, I go, I don't know who I am. It's over. Like, I'm getting. I'm starting to get goosebumps thinking about it and starting to choke me up a little bit. Because as a 23 year old, however old I was, I didn't know what the fuck to do. I didn't know who I was without this white ball and red stitching because I never created an identity. Right. It was more of people knew me because it was. Oh, oh, oh, Shawn French. Oh, Shawn French, the catcher? Yeah, dude's legit. Shawn French, the, the. The baseball player. It was never just, yeah, Sean, the cool ass dude. That, that is so kind to everybody. It's like the only way people knew me is if I performed well. It was a performative thing for me. So, I mean, I loved it, don't get me wrong. But standing there, I had no clue who I was. Like, zero. And it was terrifying. So my 20s, the rest of my 20s, I spent drinking way too much, not caring if someone had a boyfriend or whatever, putting my friends in bad situations. I was very toxic to be around and I didn't mean to be, but there was a void inside me. I was so hurt.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, you were lost.

[Sean]

Gone. Like gone. I look back at that guy and I go, oof, man, I wish I could talk to you right now, you know? And I have one friend left from that era. One.

[Blaire White]

Oh, one survived.

[Sean]

One just got resuscitated. Like, we just like, literally, like we literally just came back in contact after, what, 15 years. He DM'd me. He was in my request box. I'm like, My heart was like, no way.

[Blaire White]

Wow.

[Sean]

It's my guy. It's my guy, Mike from Chico, my Chico buddy. Well, he grew up in the same town as me, but, you know, we. He went to Chico, but that's the guy. And, you know, we ended up, you know, hopping on a phone. Phone call with each other. It. Within two minutes, he was crying, I was crying.

[Blaire White]

A.

[Sean]

And it was like nothing ever happened.

[Blaire White]

And that's a true friend, though, you know, it's just a true friendship as a timeless thing. I have a few people like that Where. Doesn't matter how long we don't talk. There's just so much connection that it. It goes right back to the way it was.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

But yeah,

[Sean]

do my 20s again.

[Blaire White]

No, I wouldn't either. And I just exited them, so.

[Sean]

Yeah. Cuz you're like, what, 33 or 32? You're 32.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That's my favorite number.

[Blaire White]

Is it really?

[Sean]

Yeah. So that. So that is. That was my baseball number for so many years.

[Blaire White]

Nice.

[Sean]

High school.

[Blaire White]

Oh, nice. I think this is my favorite age.

[Sean]

Hey, that was my. That was my favorite age too, because my favorite number. Right. It's a great age. It's a cool number.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah. When's your birthday?

[Blaire White]

September 14th.

[Sean]

Oh, really?

[Blaire White]

Virgo.

[Sean]

You're Virgo? My wife's a Virgo. She's September one.

[Blaire White]

Oh, okay. Yeah. Virgos are the best. I actually don't even know much about astrology, but I love it. I prefer Virgos over other people. Very like, very cerebral. Very like, particular about the way they like things.

[Sean]

You're saying that like it's a good.

[Blaire White]

It is for the person.

[Sean]

It is for the freaking Virgo.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

But no, it's funny because my mom's a Virgo. My daughter Alina's a Virgo.

[Blaire White]

Oh, all the women.

[Sean]

My wife is a Virgo. My youngest is a. Is a. I think a Capricorn. It's. She's. She's a January. Beginning of January, baby. So, yeah, it's Capricorn. And my son and I are Scorpios. But the thing about Virgos and Scorpios, they get along really well. Yes, they get along very well. But it. But they, but they can definitely bump those. Bump those.

[Blaire White]

They fight really well too.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Blaire White]

My mom's a Scorpio and we fight really well.

[Sean]

Well, what's her birthday?

[Blaire White]

Halloween.

[Sean]

It's Bobby. It's my son's birthday.

[Blaire White]

Really?

[Sean]

Yes.

[Blaire White]

Wow. All these synchronicities.

[Sean]

I know. And I. I'm the 28th, so I'm three days before my son.

[Blaire White]

Okay.

[Sean]

And I remember before, before he got here, it was like, oh, my God. Hopefully he doesn't come on your birthday. Then you have to share a birthday. I'm like, hopefully he does come on my birthday so I can share a birthday with my little dude. How cool would that have been?

[Blaire White]

That would have been cool. Halloween's cool too, though.

[Sean]

I love Halloween.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

We were sitting there the other night and my wife started talking about Halloween this year. Hey, girls, what do you want to be for Halloween? I'm thinking that's like six months away, babe. Like, what are we doing here? But she's a planner, because she's a Virgo.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah. And so, you know, the girls are starting to shout certain things out. And, you know, my son goes, I want to be something really scary again. Because last year I think he was Michael Myers or something like that, or Jace. I don't know what he was. I can't remember. But, you know, he wants to do something scary. And I just. I've been sitting there and the girls go to bed, and they. My wife starts talking about Halloween again. And I just looked at him and I go, dude, you have no idea how lucky you are. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, college is gonna be fucking awesome.

[Blaire White]

He's like, oh, yeah, he's gonna have a great weekend. Birthday, Halloween. That's. That's it.

[Sean]

He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, there's gonna be a bunch of nurses running around. There's gonna be a bunch of. A bunch of devils running around.

[Blaire White]

Right?

[Sean]

But. And my wife just threw a pillow at me or something. She's like, stop it. But, I mean, you know, it's. I don't. We're in the weeds. But, you know, I think that, you know, when we're Talking about the 20s and the toxicity that I just. That was just oozing out of me, you know, it hurts when I look back at it, you know, because I impacted so many people's relationships and. And I broke trust and, you know, only one friendship has. Has come back, you know, and so it's. It's just one of those things where now I carry myself differently. So.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You know, even to a point where, you know, my buddy said, hey, so. And so I'm. I'm out with him right now. And it was my best friend. He said, nothing but love. I said, hey, tell him I love him. And then I sent him a text message, like, three days later. No response. I said, it's okay. Right? Because he doesn't know me now.

[Blaire White]

Right? He's still. It's still the old you in his head. Yeah.

[Sean]

I was like, dude, if you. I mean, like, that was like, 2006, 2007, right? Like, it's, like, almost 20 years ago.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Yeah, it's. You know, it's hard for me, too, because, like, not only do people not know who I am now, but also, like, I wasn't a public figure back then, so that's a weird change for people that used to Be in my life. And then also, like, I, you know, didn't look like this surgery, trans, all that. So it's sometimes hard to connect with most people from, like, my childhood and stuff.

[Sean]

Do you find it's hard for people from your childhoods to relate to you not because of trans, but because of the fact that you're a public figure?

[Blaire White]

Yes. Yeah, they. They really don't get it. And I think that a lot of people project an ego that isn't there or a, like a hoity toity ness that, like, I truly don't have. Because public figure or fame to them reads as like, oh, they're better than me or something, which I don't feel that way at all. I don't feel like I'm above anybody.

[Sean]

So I don't get that vibe from you at all.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, no, life is just life. I think all people are equal, but, you know, that's. I'm also from the tiniest town where there's no such thing as, like, getting attention outside of that tiny town. So I think it's a hard thing for them to get.

[Sean]

Yeah, it is. But, you know, it's funny because I would say about two years ago, I mean, the show, maybe three years ago, the show was a lot smaller. My best friend said, like, hey, dude, it's hard for people to relate to you now. Yeah, it's like, dude, I'm just talking on a microphone and it's not even that big of a deal yet. Right, yet, you know, so now it's

[Blaire White]

like, oh, I lost most of my friends when I started. And in fact, I was just telling this story earlier today. All of my friends at the time, I had like a bunch of roommates that were also my friends. And I was like two videos into starting YouTube and I found out they were all doing like, hate watch parties at our mutual friend's house, like, putting it on the tv.

[Sean]

Like, your roommates?

[Blaire White]

Yeah. And they were like, hate watching me.

[Sean]

Were they your actual friends or they just roommates?

[Blaire White]

Well, now I know they weren't.

[Sean]

Yeah, no shit. But back then.

[Blaire White]

But they were called. Yeah, they had the title friend. They were roommates that were friends first. And we lived together. So, you know, it was. It was clearly just jealousy and again, a projection of their own insecurities. So. But I. But I've rebuilt now. I have, you know, friends all over the world. I get to connect with people all over the planet, so.

[Sean]

Well, you got me, right? You got me. I. I consider you a friend. So I. I hear you. And thank you. And I have met so many different people in this industry.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That become close. I become closer with them than I. Than I am with people that live in my town that I know. You know, and it's. It's an interesting thing. And I think unless you're in it, you can't understand it.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. It just becomes a different. A different way of life. You know, it's. And it's weird because you also, like you were saying with getting heat and stuff like that all of that lives forever on the Internet. And so you wonder how much people from your past maybe, like, read that too, and then internalize that. So it's easier to be friends with people who are also public figures because they understand.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

That it doesn't matter what's written about you on the Internet.

[Sean]

That's a great point. You jog something in my mind of the other reason I feel it's easier to be friends with other public figures is because they understand what you're going through and how hard it is.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And how much, you know, people may judge you, but nobody's judging you as much as you're judging yourself 100%, you know, and it's an exhausting thing, you know, because, you know, as an. Because I consider what I do. I'm an artist. This is my art.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You know, my conversation is an art form 100%, and it's specifically mine. Nobody else does it like me, just like nobody else does it like you. You know, it's limited edition stuff. But, you know, when. When there's other people, like the people that you know from your past, like, hey, you just. Just slow down. It's not. It's not that big of a deal. But what. What they don't understand is this is everything, you know, this is something that we put our heart and soul in. And when you put your art out and you feel it's not being received, it's personal.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

And I don't have a plan B. I'm doing this forever.

[Sean]

I burned. I burned the bridge a long time ago.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. I mean, I have other aspirations as well that I want to add on to what I'm doing, but I. I pretty much have made peace with the fact that I'm always going to be, you know, a public figure. It's like a lifelong thing. It's not a flavor of the decade or week or whatever.

[Sean]

It's not like, hey, I want to do this because covet, hit, and everybody was popping into it.

[Blaire White]

Right, right, right. It's. I'm not. I didn't join an MLM for a while, thank God. So someone did try to get me to join MLM a long time ago.

[Sean]

You know, that's how I started my show. I, I went into mlm.

[Blaire White]

Really, I did.

[Sean]

Yeah. I was always trying to make extra money. Yeah. And I didn't, I never did well with them because I didn't believe in it. Right. I believe in the model. Like cool people can go do that. I didn't, I didn't possess the traits to do it.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

I didn't like it. But in this last one it was, it was Melaleuca actually. It was a.

[Blaire White]

What is that one?

[Sean]

It's like a direct to consumer. It's not really an mlm. You share the, the, the link and if they buy from the store, you get commissions. It was supposed to be all non toxic stuff, but, but in order to do that and do well, they were like, you have to be a public, you have to have a, a personal brand. I'm like, what the is that?

[Blaire White]

I didn't know what is that.

[Sean]

I was a medical salesperson. I had no idea I was in the. Or watching, you know, robotic surgeries. And so the whole point is like I stumbled into this. Like I didn't mean to find this, but I did. And once I found that this was my purpose, my calling, I did whatever I could to put myself and my family in the position. So when I can go, bye bye corporate and focus full time on this, I did it. It was, I think it was, it was January. It was January of 2024 where I was finally done with corporate. And it was the best decision corporate America made me. Right. I feel like I did a lot there that helped me. Talking to different types of people. And you know, one day it could be a dentist, one day it could be, you know, construction worker because I had multiple sales careers. But you know, for me is like to your point, like there's no turning back.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

There's only building on from this.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. And it's so freeing to be your own boss. Even though it's also, in my opinion, 10 times more stressful. Although I only had one real job before this.

[Sean]

What did you do before this?

[Blaire White]

I was working in a clothing store.

[Sean]

A clothing store.

[Blaire White]

It was my f. Yeah. I was there for I think like six months and I hated it. Like I would straight up like refuse to even do anything. Like customers would come in and be like, can you help me get this clothing off the rack? And I'd be like, no, I Don't really want to.

[Sean]

You're like, no, that's not what I do.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. But for whatever reason, my boss, like, loved me, so I never got in trouble. But then, you know, the second I could do YouTube and was making money from it, I was like, I'm gone.

[Sean]

Amazing. Amazing. You mentioned you want to do other things to add on to what you're doing now. What are some of those things that you want to do?

[Blaire White]

Well, I want to run for office eventually. Okay, cool. Yeah, so that's more of a long term. Okay. Yeah. I want to run for Congress in California.

[Sean]

Hell, yeah.

[Blaire White]

Not immediately, but, you know, when the time's right. So I want to not just, like, talk about politics. I want to, like, make real change on paper.

[Sean]

What kind of changes would you make in California?

[Blaire White]

Oh, my gosh. Well, honing in on just. Right. Honing in on just the trans part. It's a sanctuary state, quote unquote, for trans kids, which means if even one parent wants the kid to transition, they do it still. So that needs to be fixed because that's child abuse. And then I'm really passionate about the homeless issue in California. Like, it's disgusting that we have all this money, especially in California. One of the biggest economies in the world, not just America, and there's a million people dying on the street, and it's really sad. They get discarded.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

And those are human beings with hearts and minds and souls as well. So that. And, you know, whatever is the issues of the time when I actually run,

[Sean]

you know, what's the timeline for, you think?

[Blaire White]

I feel like I don't want to say because I don't want to make any false promises, but it's definitely on the agenda.

[Sean]

That's awesome. You know, I think it's. I think it's amazing to put that out there, you know, just to say, this is what I want to do or I want. You're gonna do it. You know, it's just one of those things where there are certain people where, you know, when they say, this is what I want to do. And you'd be like, all right, you might. You might could do it.

[Blaire White]

I already know. It's like just kind of my destiny. Yeah.

[Sean]

When you tell me, I'm like, okay, yeah, done deal. Like, yeah, yeah, that's. That's a no brainer. You know, And I think it's important in California because there's. That's the most beautiful state in the union. Like, I miss California. I don't necessarily care for how it's run But I. I miss my home. And when I go back there and I plant my foot off that plane and I, you know, go out there to get the rental car, I can feel it. I can feel it, you know, even if I'm not in the bay. And we went to. We went to LA last year, last summer, and we did Jay Leno, you know, at Jay Leno's garage. That was freaking cool. But the moment I got off the plane and I just, like, man, it's a different energy. It just.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, it really is.

[Sean]

I'm home. I'm here.

[Blaire White]

I can't do the humidity out here.

[Sean]

Isn't it bad?

[Blaire White]

It's beautiful out here, too, but it's just the air. I just can't do it.

[Sean]

The humidity is absolutely ridiculous. Especially if you're not used to it, you know? Like earlier today, it was, like, nice. And then I went and got ceviche, the little, you know, ceviche right there at ceviche, the restaurant. And everything was fine. I walked out afterwards and I walked down the street to get a coffee and I'm, like, sweating.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. It's brutal.

[Sean]

Like, what happened in 45 minutes to where I can't even. Feels like a freaking sauna.

[Blaire White]

You know? What's so crazy is I almost got hit in the head by an iguana out here.

[Sean]

Okay, let's talk about that.

[Blaire White]

I was walking under a palm tree or something out here, and this iguana, like, frozen the tree and almost hit me in the head.

[Sean]

When was this?

[Blaire White]

This was a couple years ago. Like, in winter here, the iguanas, like, freeze.

[Sean]

Yeah. And they die.

[Blaire White]

And I had no idea it was like the jungle out here like that.

[Sean]

Oh, my God. Yeah. You can't walk under trees.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Oh, my God. Did it hit you?

[Blaire White]

Almost. It grazed me.

[Sean]

That's a freaky thing.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Interesting. Florida, be Florida, you know? That's why I have that show, Florida, man. And the craziest things happen here.

[Blaire White]

It really. Yeah. It's unexpected all the time.

[Sean]

You have alligators that are in pools and, you know, all that kind of crazy stuff.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Before is beautiful in its own right. I don't hate that I live here. I do hate it from June to May. I don't like hurricanes.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, no.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

Not good.

[Sean]

You know what it is? It's the anxiety of watching it on the TV for five days. You don't know where it's going, you know?

[Blaire White]

Do you have, like, anxiety in general? You think, too?

[Sean]

Oh, me, of course. Yeah. Of course I do. I have massive Anxiety. It gets. Yeah, it gets. It's gotten better. The more I watch my food, the more I work out. It does get better. So I don't worry about things that I used to worry about, but sometimes I do have dark thoughts about bad things happening to my family.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, yeah. Anxiety is rough. I have pretty bad anxiety too. These days. It's a little better because again, I kind of learned like, food really matters and people don't really make that connection, but the, the gut brain connection is like really real.

[Sean]

Took the words right out of my

[Blaire White]

mouth and moving, you know what I mean? And I used to like just wake up and drink like straight coffee in the morning with no food and then I'd have like a panic attack. And then I learned like, you're not supposed to do it like that, so.

[Sean]

Oh, you're not?

[Blaire White]

No, you have to have food.

[Sean]

I have a protein shake.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, that, that's, that, that counts. That counts. And then I had like a panic attack for the first time, like a real one a couple years ago after never having one. And I always thought it was something. I guess I believed people that it was like scary and serious. But until you like really have one, you don't know how like real it is.

[Sean]

You think you're having a heart attack.

[Blaire White]

You. It convinces you you're dying. Yeah, it really does.

[Sean]

So I've never had a full on panic attack, but I have had moments where I just, I feel like there's an elephant on my chest and I get really quiet and my wife goes, are you. I go, I'm. I'm going through it right now. Like, I just, I just need a minute. Like, I don't, I don't know what's going on with me. I'm super anxious right now. Just out of nowhere.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You know what makes you. What are the things that make you anxious the most?

[Blaire White]

I think like not living up to what I know that I can. So, like I've. Which is silly and you know, anxiety is irrational and so that's how, you know, it's like not real but like, because I've accomplished more in my life than I ever, ever would have thought. So it's interesting that you still will beat up on yourself even when you, you know, do a lot, but I guess just not living up to my own expectations of myself and even sometimes just on the timeline that I want to live up to it. So I'm like my own worst enemy a lot of the times.

[Sean]

Yeah. I remember timelines used to really f with me, like badly like, if I say, okay, I want to leave corporate America in six months and I didn't hit was like, I suck.

[Blaire White]

Right?

[Sean]

Like, I'm. I'm shit, I'm useless. This is never going to happen. Those things don't bother me anymore because I've kind of let go of the wheel of that and just. The only thing I can control is having great conversations and giving people value.

[Blaire White]

Right?

[Sean]

Right. That's the only thing I can do, is be the best host I can be. But the things that really mess with me, man, is just something happening to my kids. Like, I just, I. I can't. I was getting ready, right this morning. I couldn't sleep like I told you and Joey off camera. Like, I woke up at 2 and I just couldn't go back to sleep. And so I started just doing some work stuff and you know, then I, then I showered. I was getting ready to go get. To go get a workout in and like, I just started having these bad, like, I don't say visions because it's. It wasn't visions, but it was just like these bad thoughts that seemed so freaking real about something happening to my kids. And it's just. It's like. It's so. It's so debilitating. Those are the only things that make me anxious. And then at lunchtime, my wife called me and I didn't pick up because I didn't hear my phone. And I called her back two times and sent her like five texts before. And I don't have a response yet. So I'm like, oh, shit. So before the. Before we sat down, I had to check myself like, is this real or is this just fear? And fear is an illusion right now, so just leave it there. But those are the only things that, that freaked me out.

[Blaire White]

That's what you have to. I always try to remind myself too in the moment of like, it's my brain making this seem real and it's doing a really good job at it, but it's. That doesn't mean it's real.

[Sean]

I wonder why that is though. I wonder why. Like, for. For. We both have different types of anxieties, right? And I. I just wonder why mine is the way it is.

[Blaire White]

Well, I think that, you know, it's what you care about the most is your kids. So I think part of it and you can feel good about it, it's just you being a really good dad because there's a lot of dads out here who don't really care what happens to their kids. So that's the first thing, but I think it's. It's a biological thing, too. You know, we need a certain amount of anxiety to, like, make sure we don't swerve in the other lane when we're driving, to make sure we avoid, like, threats, you know, but it's about, like, reminding yourself when it goes over the line to being irrational.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah. Like today, like, it. I was like, this is irrational. This is ridiculous. For a long time, you know, earlier in the year, you know, there was some things happening at schools in public places, and so I was. Every time my wife and my three kids would go to school, I would go in the house and I would cry because I was so scared. Yeah. I mean, they just. It's just, you know, there's real stuff happening in the world. Right. You never know. Granted, my kids are at a prep school and very small, and, you know, but, hey, you never know. And so.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

Those things would go through my mind and would just break me. It's like, so if I could fix anything, you know, I would want for me to fix that, because that is a horrible feeling for me.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Just. I would say just don't go on medication for it. That stuff really, like, don't go on medication. Yeah. I've never seen people taking anxiety met. Like, I'm very. Despite the fact that I'm trans, and obviously that includes, like, some drugs. I'm very anti big pharma. And, like, I don't agree with, like, psych meds. I've never seen them do more good than harm. Perhaps in extreme cases. I don't want to make an absolute statement, but I've seen it harm a lot of people.

[Sean]

Yeah. You know, I would say around 2015, I started getting a lot of anxiety with my son when I was driving over bridges. I never had a fear of bridges until my son was born. I was taking him to daycare.

[Blaire White]

That's how, you know, it's linked to, like, being a father and. Yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah. And now I'm terrified of bridges.

[Blaire White]

Oh, wow.

[Sean]

Yeah, I. I, like, there's a lot of times I. If we're going somewhere and if we have to go to St. Pete, we got to go over the Skyway Bridge in Tampa. I go, jackie, I need you to talk to me every second. Every second. Don't stop talking to me. And I'm like.

[Blaire White]

Because I. Oh, wow, you have it really bad.

[Sean]

I have it really bad. Because.

[Blaire White]

No, it's mean or.

[Sean]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't. I Don't take it that way because I've been there.

[Blaire White]

I'm not always there, but I have that level often too.

[Sean]

Yeah. But with Bridges, I get there. Right. And. And it's funny because. Not funny in a sense of like, it's humorous. But in 2014, when those things started happening, it started really impacting me. So I did go on citalopram. Okay, I did. And when I went on citalopram, I was like 185 pounds. Fast forward four months, maybe six months. I was way over 230.

[Blaire White]

Oh, wow.

[Sean]

It made me so fat. And again, once I got off of it, because I didn't change any habits. Right. And it just. After I got off of it, I went back to my normal baseline.

[Blaire White]

And did it even help the anxiety?

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Blaire White]

Oh, it did. Oh, it did.

[Sean]

Yeah. But I mean, I still thought about it, but it wasn't the, the physical feeling of the anxiety. It's like, man, okay, everything's fine. You're good. Just drive. Right. If you're timid, that's when things, Bad things are going to happen. So just go. But, yeah, I mean, I also believe in. I'm not really big on, you know, the big pharma thing, and I think there's a lot of drugs out there that are good in certain situations. I can't judge every certain person of why they would take something. So I don't want to misconstrue that. But for me, it's not, you know, if a kid is doing bad in school and can't keep focus, I, I'm not for.

[Blaire White]

They put kids on Adderall.

[Sean]

You know what? I'm for getting that kid an executive functioning coach that, that we've done for our children.

[Blaire White]

Oh, you have? Okay.

[Sean]

Yeah, we're all adhd.

[Blaire White]

Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'm ADHD as well. And I actually take a little bit of Adderall sometimes too, just to help with it. So, yeah, I vibrate.

[Sean]

Yeah. So it's like I, when I, when I took it, I took Adderall. It was when I first started the show and it was. I needed it really badly. And I wouldn't eat because I wasn't hungry, and then I would just snap. I was the big. Jackie said, you're. You're not really nice right now. I don't know what's going on, but I think it's the meds. You need to get off of it.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Adderall can really heighten your emotions and it also gives you terrible anxiety. So, yeah, the Trade off is like, okay, I can focus more, but now I'm focusing on these things I'm super anxious about.

[Sean]

Yeah. So I, I got off of that and I feel great. But I, but I believe in certain pharmaceuticals. Like, I'm big into hormones, you know, trt. I'm big into peptides. Like, you know, my refrigerator looks like a friggin lab.

[Blaire White]

What peptides are you on?

[Sean]

What peptides? I'm on. Oh my God. How much time do we have?

[Blaire White]

Is it a lot of them?

[Sean]

It's a lot of them. So I'm on Tessa Marlin.

[Blaire White]

And that does.

[Sean]

So it's like more of a. It releases, I guess a human growth hormone, but it's also incinerates the visceral fat. So your fat around your organs. I'm on the testosterone. I'm on tirzepatide, which is GLP1.

[Blaire White]

Okay. Yeah, I do that sometimes too.

[Sean]

Yeah, I, I love it, I love it. It really helps. What else? I don't think methylene blue is a, is a peptide. Sloop is a peptide. So yeah, I'm on some peptides, you know, but you know, I'm good with that kind of stuff. But I'm, you know, I don't, I don't think there's going to be any massive, you know, downfall later on or side effects or things that happen to me, you know, I think, you know, RFK talks about it a lot, about how the peptides have gotten a really bad rap and they've been blacklisted and they're starting to come off that list because there are some really good uses for it, you know. So.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, it's, it's dangerous when it gets to drugs and you know, even, even Adderall, it's like really dangerous.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, I just, yeah, but, but, but, you know, the whole point of it is, is you can't just run and put kids on meds.

[Blaire White]

No, it's, you know, especially the Adderall for the kids. It just fries them. And then by the time they're adults, it's like their baseline is just way off, kind of like forever.

[Sean]

I think the important thing is too, like when, when I, when I mentioned, you know, you get him an executive coach. Like when my son was in public school, he had low B's and C's. Couldn't stay focused. A lot of ticks too, because I think the anxiety was just crushing him. Then he goes to the prep school, which is much harder and much more demanding. We get him an executive functioning coach. He hasn't had Anything lower than an 85 in two years.

[Blaire White]

Nice.

[Sean]

He's got six A's and two B's.

[Blaire White]

Maybe I need to go to one of those. ADHD is real.

[Sean]

Well, no, you know, they help you. You prioritize what needs to be done for the week. So they look at every. Every Monday morning at 7:30. Has his executive functioning coach.

[Blaire White]

That's awesome.

[Sean]

I pick him up at 8:30 and I take him to school and they go through his whole schedule, what's due. And you know, his coach helps him break down by day what he needs to do at home. Right. And what they do inside there in the hour. And it's, it's changed him tremendously. It's been the most amazing thing to a point where like, thank God we didn't go the other route.

[Blaire White]

Right. And back in the day, they didn't even, There was no understanding of adhd, not even that long ago. So, like, the idea of, you know, parents actually seeking out alternative methods for their kids, they weren't even. They were just being told, put them on Adderall. And based on the kind of ADHD you have, that can be like the worst thing for you too.

[Sean]

Yeah, well, too. If you don't take a saliva test and, and submit your DNA to like a lab to see what medications actually will work work and what your body will reject. Like, how do you know you're medicating the right, the right way.

[Blaire White]

Right, Right.

[Sean]

Because that's a thing now.

[Blaire White]

Oh, absolutely.

[Sean]

You know, you can, you can take one pharmaceutical and it can make something else worse or, you know, it could turn somebody into a.

[Blaire White]

You look at them like, can make you fat.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

Which is. That's a big problem too.

[Sean]

Yeah, it was a big problem for me. No pun intended. Like, it sucked, man. And so I spent the net, the last however many years getting back to this, you know, because it's been a journey. It's like been a here, here, here. And now for the last. Since December of 2024, it's been like this, like, it's consistent now, but I had to fight back, you know, and that's never comfortable because that, that, that hurts. That doesn't make me very effective. Right. And in our business, when we're, you know, in front of the camera all the time and, you know, we're public figures and we, we have, we're thought leaders as well, obviously. And when we're speaking to people, people need to believe us.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

You know, Fat Sean didn't scream determination, right? Just like, like, where's your Discipline, dude, where's your determination? Like, your show might talk about it and you might be that way in your business, but are you that way as a human?

[Blaire White]

I can't even film a video or do anything on camera if I'm even having like a bad week kind of, which I probably should be better at like managing that. But I just never want to come on camera. I just feel like you can tell when someone's going through it a little bit. And like I don't ever want to communicate. Maybe it's like afraid of showing vulnerability or something, but I don't. I just want to be all there mentally before I try to preach to other people about how to feel about things.

[Sean]

I can relate to this because I don't share enough moments of me. Like my, you look at my grid. It's the podcast stuff, as you know, and it's some stuff with my family sometimes. I don't always put my kids faces on there because people take your content.

[Blaire White]

Yeah, absolutely. Especially these days with AI, that's like a really bad, bad thing going on.

[Sean]

So. But you know, when I do share where I'm at emotionally or frustration wise, it's like Now I've got 50 psychologists in my comment section, you know, offer me advice. It's like, guys, I'm fine. I'm just having a moment and I'm sharing it because I don't want you to think that I think I am perfect.

[Blaire White]

Right. So I don't, I don't even really look at comments. Yeah.

[Sean]

Oh, you don't ever?

[Blaire White]

No, I've been lucky enough. I feel like I've in my career been around enough people that are way more successful than me. And so I asked them advice like, what's the key to longevity? What's the key to like staying sane? And all the most successful people I've known have said the same thing. Just don't read the comments. So. Interesting. Yeah, Joe Rogan told me that Roseanne Barr told me that a few other people. So I've just kind of taken it and it's benefited me a lot because you also don't want to be necessarily at the whim of what everyone wants you to create, at least with what I do. Because then you. There's audience capture, right? Then there's like, I'm kind of just going through the motions to please people. And that's. You don't really grow like that because then you're not really expanding or sometimes you need to do something that even segments of your audience are like, what is this. And if you're. If you have a decent amount of intuition and you're on the money, then even if they're not there, they'll come around to it.

[Sean]

Yeah, I think. I think when we're. When you're creating content, though, it's for you. Right. It's like, yes, these are my beliefs. You know, the one thing that I do a poor job of, I'm still very engaged in my platform on. On Instagram, because I'm not to the point where I really want to be yet. So I'm still. I'm responding to comments, I'm looking at

[Blaire White]

them, and it's good to be like that, too. You don't want to ignore the audience or whatever?

[Sean]

No, no, I don't. But, you know, like, on Instagram, like, I don't get anything bad said, you know, and so, you know, I'll engage. But also, there's going to come a time where I probably shouldn't look at the comments. I probably shouldn't use my time doing that, because you never know what you're going to read, you know, And I think it's all about, like you said, the key to longevity is sometimes knowing yourself well enough to know what your triggers are and knowing what can kind of take you off the rails and then don't go there.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

Like, stay away from it. Right.

[Blaire White]

And kind of got a bulldoze.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

You just got to go where you're going. And if people latch on, they latch on. And a lot of other people will catch up to you later.

[Sean]

Yeah, I mean, that's true. You know, you had mentioned something earlier about, like, we were talking about comments, and it. It made me think about, you know, and I know you've talked about it, but I was really interested to understand what happened after the Penthouse interview, because you were getting threats and did you call the FBI? Is that accurate?

[Blaire White]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Going all the way back. I think it was, like, before the Penthouse interview. I think I talked about it in the Penthouse interview, if I remember correctly. Yeah. There was a period in 2017 where I had made a video critic Black Lives Matter, and I just took a lot of heat all at once, and it ended up with, like, people taking pictures, holding guns, wanting to come get me. And actually, the FBI contacted me to let me know what was going on, and I think they were. They asked me a few questions I can't even remember. So it was definitely more serious than, like, a lot of other moments. So I guess there was some credibility to it. But that's another thing that comes with the territory, especially about politics.

[Sean]

How'd that feel?

[Blaire White]

I think I was so green and so new to, like, everything that it actually was kind of fun. I was kind of like, screw it.

[Sean]

I matter. Cool. This is neat.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Yeah. I was like, does this mean I'm famous now? Like, people want to kill me? Cool.

[Sean]

Kind of.

[Blaire White]

Right?

[Sean]

I mean. Right. That's kind of shitty, though.

[Blaire White]

And now, because I've been doing it for so long, like, it probably wouldn't feel as great. Like, I have some crazy stalkers now.

[Sean]

Do you?

[Blaire White]

Yeah, I have the craz. I mean, you could probably imagine I. I summon all different types of people with my content.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

A lot of perverts, a lot of crazy people, a lot of radical people. So it's kind of like a stream of just the craziest people you could imagine.

[Sean]

You need security.

[Blaire White]

Well, I. I've been doxed everywhere I've lived, so my address has been leaked on the Internet every place I've ever lived since doing this, with the exception of where I currently live. So knock on wood.

[Sean]

Oh, gosh, don't do it.

[Blaire White]

I know. But now I live in a really secure area. I have no neighbors. I have one private road in and out of my house, cameras everywhere. So if someone was trying to come get me, I could see him coming.

[Sean]

That's good. That's good. When you. When you look back at things. Right. Is there anything that you've ever said that you regret saying, not because of facts, but emotionally?

[Blaire White]

Yeah, I feel like, you know, I'm imperfect and I'm very, like, passionate about what I say. So sometimes that comes through a vehicle of, like, heightened emotions. And so there's been times where I was probably more mean than I needed to be. And I've even apologized to certain people and been like, I still don't like what you did or what you. How you feel. But also, I didn't need to be such a. About it. So I think it's really, like, a passion for, like, justice and stuff. And I rarely go after people that don't do, like. You know, most of the people I really go after are, like, predators and, you know, just, like, insane people. But. Yeah, but it doesn't change that. There's just a level of responsibility for me to be, like, a. As kind of a person as I can be, despite the heated topics.

[Sean]

No, I mean, you know, that's a good point. You know, it's. You know, sometimes we can say things, even, you know, even though we get emotional and We. We kind of pop off. I never do it on camera, but I can. I've popped off to my wife before, and I felt really, really bad about it. Not to say that it may not have been factual, but maybe I went about it the wrong way.

[Blaire White]

Right. I like. Right. I like to say, you know, I'm

[Sean]

rarely wrong, but what's the Virgo in you?

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Blaire White]

Because also, I don't like to really speak on things I don't know a lot about. So, like, you're not going to catch a video or commentary for me on, like, how airplanes work or, you know, quantum physics or whatever. It's like, I'm talking about. I make sure I know what I'm talking.

[Sean]

You're in your lane. You stay there.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And that's important in life. Right. Especially as a creator and. And as a public figure is you have. You have guardrails.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

And you have to stay in them.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

Stay in them. So you can be great, you know, so. Well, thank you so much for coming. This has been fun to catch up. And, you know, I know you got a lot more things to do, and you're kind of on tour. You enjoy going around everywhere. Hopefully you guys get to go home soon and rest a few days.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. This is great. Thank you so much for having me.

[Sean]

It's been a pleasure. Thank you again. Well, actually, one more question.

[Blaire White]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Oh, my God, I can't believe I almost forgot the most important question of the interview. After everything that you've been through in your life, what does being determined actually mean to you?

[Blaire White]

I think it means knowing that when you go through things, it's not permanent. It's just a season, you know, everything passes, even the worst things. And knowing that you have the ability to transmute anything, like you have the ability to turn something into something that actually helps you later or helps other people. Like, you can be really in despair about certain things, but as long as you know, like, there will be a way to use this to make me a better person, you know, that way you're never a victim to something. You're never, you know, at the whim of the world or circumstances, I really

[Sean]

feel that adversity is something that instead of running from or, why is this happening to me? I can't believe this. It's like, what is this going to teach me?

[Blaire White]

How's it going to benefit me?

[Sean]

Yes. Because if that's a paradigm shift, like, think about. One is relinquishing power, one is claiming it.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

I recently did a TED talk on it or a TEDx talk on it about adversity being the real classroom in life.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

It's like everything that I've gone through, like, all the bad shit, it has built me to talk about this. It's like, it's almost like God knew, right? Of course, of course. Did it say, all right, you're gonna go through all this stuff and you're,

[Blaire White]

you have to let it shape you,

[Sean]

but you're going to come out the other side as this guy. And so for me, it's just, that's a really good, really good definition of determination. Because I feel like everything that happens is that you have to grab onto it and be like, okay, I might, I might with certain things, feel really shitty about it for a small period of time. I'm not a hypocrite. And I'm also not a robot. I'm a human. So if something bad happens or, you know, I lose it, a big deal, you know, I can get to a point where like, oh, my God, it's crashing down. Like, oh, my God, the anxiety kicks in. But you know what? I wake up the next morning and I go to the gym and those thoughts are gone. I go, how am I going to fix this? I get into the energy of what's next? What am I going to do to focus on a solution and then implement it. And I think that's the most important thing in life.

[Blaire White]

Yeah. Otherwise you're just at the whim of whatever happens to you and you start taking all this damage when even, you know, damage. It's like how you make a diamond. Right. It's like whatever the, the phrase is. Pressure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and also, it's, it's hard to even relate to people who have never really been through anything. I find personally, it's, it's hard for me to really have a conversation with someone who doesn't know what it's like to be in the trenches a little bit.

[Sean]

I can't vibe with anybody that hasn't been just obliterated by adversity.

[Blaire White]

Right.

[Sean]

Because it's like, what, what do we have in common at that point? You know? And, and the one thing that does drive me crazy when people say, I've never, I'm good. I've never been through this adversity. It's like, yeah, dude, yeah, you have. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're turning your back on it. You're not accepting it.

[Blaire White]

That's denial. And then the problem with that is it still lives in you, and it comes out in all these different ways. So, like, the way that trauma will affect you. And people think of trauma as only, like, these huge things that happen. Like, people think trauma means, oh, the worst things, and it does, but also, like, just little things. Like, little, like, rejection traumas throughout the day. Those things add up. And if you don't learn how to transmute it and change it into something positive, it's going to come out in being disrespectful to your partner or being rude to the waitress or drinking too much alcohol and abusing your body, so.

[Sean]

Or how about disease?

[Blaire White]

Yes. Literally, you know, I was just actually talking about this. Like, you have the placebo effect, which is like, if you think a sugar pill can cure you, if you really are ignorant about, you think it, like, can shows the power of your mind over your own body and health. So if you are always thinking negative thoughts, it's like, you're gonna be sick. Or if you let even negative thoughts that are still in your subconscious that you think aren't there fester, you're just gonna get sick.

[Sean]

Facts, my friend. Well, thank you so much.

[Blaire White]

Yes, it was fun.

[Sean]

It was amazing. So, guys, go check out Ms. Blaire White on Instagram. Go search her YouTube channel, and you know what? Go support her. Go support her and listen to what she has to say. But here's what I'm going to tell you. When you do this, actually, take the time to find out who the person is, not just what she is saying. All right, guys? And until next time, stay determined.