From Playboy Bunny to Reality TV Star: Shanice Henderson's Untold Story | Exclusive Interview

Summary

Podcast Summary: "From Playboy Bunny to Reality TV Star: Shanice Henderson's Untold Story | Exclusive Interview"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Determined Society with Shawn French
• Host: Shawn French
• Guest: Shanice Henderson
• Episode Release Date: November 4, 2024

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Introduction

In this compelling episode of The Determined Society Podcast, host Shawn French welcomes Shanice Henderson, a multifaceted personality known for her stint as a Playboy Bunny and her role in Bravo's Summer House. The conversation delves deep into Shanice's journey from her humble beginnings in South Dakota to navigating the tumultuous waters of reality TV and transitioning into a successful career in sales.

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Early Life and Athletic Pursuits

Shanice Henderson hails from South Dakota, where she was actively involved in multiple sports throughout her childhood. Her athletic background, particularly her role as a team leader, played a pivotal role in shaping her character and work ethic.

Shanice Henderson [02:17]: "I was a point guard playing basketball, so I’m a leader. I like telling people what to do."

Shawn emphasizes the significance of sports in developing mental strength and leadership skills, drawing parallels between their own experiences.

Shawn French [03:13]: "What did sports teach you about life?"

Shanice Henderson [03:13]: "It made me a risk-taker. Moving to LA at 23, living alone, trusting myself more—all of that stemmed from sports."

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Transition to Los Angeles and Early Challenges

At 23, Shanice moved to Los Angeles, a significant leap from the familiar landscapes of South Dakota. This transition was fraught with challenges, including loneliness and financial instability.

Shanice Henderson [05:30]: "I didn't know anyone there. I was lost, completely lost."

She recounts her brief foray into the modeling industry, which, despite bringing in some income, wasn't sustainable or fulfilling, leading her to reassess her path.

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Rise to Prominence: Playboy Bunny and Reality TV

Shanice's career took a significant turn when she became Miss April 2014 for Playboy. This role not only boosted her confidence but also opened doors to the world of reality television.

Shanice Henderson [06:35]: "Playboy helped me with my confidence and being outgoing. I wasn’t this outgoing in high school."

Her participation in Bravo's Summer House brought her into the public eye, showcasing both the highs and lows of life under the reality TV microscope. While the experience was exhilarating, it also exposed her to judgment and criticism, impacting her mental health.

Shanice Henderson [17:52]: "I was pretty depressed after my first season because people judge so much."

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Impact of Reality TV on Mental Health

Navigating fame was not without its drawbacks for Shanice. The relentless scrutiny and misrepresentations led to significant mental strain, compelling her to adopt coping mechanisms such as distancing herself from social media and setting personal boundaries.

Shanice Henderson [18:44]: "I'm doing sales now, so I get denied all the time. I'm used to it. I just don't care anymore."

Shawn and Shanice discuss the broader implications of reality TV on individuals' mental well-being, highlighting the importance of mental toughness and resilience.

Shawn French [21:10]: "You've taken a lot of risks, and sometimes the worst things turn out to be blessings."

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Transition to a Career in Sales

Post-reality TV, Shanice pivoted to a career in business-to-business (B2B) sales, leveraging her interpersonal skills honed through her varied experiences. Her role involves selling software solutions to restaurants and hotels in the Tampa area, where she thrives on building relationships and networking.

Shanice Henderson [10:44]: "I'm in sales now, making deals and closing deals. It's a grind, but I love talking to people."

Shawn draws parallels between the skills required in sales and those developed through athletic and reality TV experiences, emphasizing the value of relationship-building over mere selling.

Shawn French [11:42]: "Sales is more about relationship building and conversations."

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Handling Public Perception and Negativity

One of the critical topics explored is how Shanice manages public perception and negativity stemming from her reality TV appearance and past roles. She shares strategies such as ignoring negative comments, focusing on positive interactions, and maintaining a balanced personal life to safeguard her mental health.

Shanice Henderson [22:45]: "If someone says something negative, I respond with positivity. It usually diffuses the situation."

Shawn adds his perspective on dealing with online negativity, underscoring the importance of empathy and resilience.

Shawn French [24:05]: "You have to meet them with empathy. It can turn a troll into a fan."

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Future Projects and Aspirations

Looking ahead, Shanice expresses her enthusiasm for potential future projects, including co-hosting a dating or game show with Shawn. Both discuss the dynamics of such a collaboration, blending their unique strengths to create engaging content.

Shanice Henderson [27:03]: "I think it would be fun to co-host a show with you, mixing dating and challenges."

Shawn French [27:30]: "It would be a separate project, but I’d love to host something together."

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Final Insights and Messages

As the conversation wraps up, both Shanice and Shawn reflect on the core themes of risk-taking, resilience, and personal growth. They emphasize that setbacks, whether in careers or personal lives, often pave the way for new opportunities and stronger self-belief.

Shawn French [35:14]: "You gotta risk it to get the biscuit."

Shanice Henderson [38:44]: "Everything happens for a reason. You just gotta move on and push through."

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Conclusion

This episode provides an intimate glimpse into Shanice Henderson's life, showcasing her journey from sports and modeling to reality TV and sales. Through candid discussions, she illustrates the importance of mental toughness, the impact of public perception, and the relentless pursuit of personal and professional growth. Listeners are left inspired by her resilience and determination to carve out her own path amidst challenges.

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Notable Quotes

• Shanice Henderson [02:17]: "I was a point guard playing basketball, so I’m a leader. I like telling people what to do."

• Shanice Henderson [06:35]: "Playboy helped me with my confidence and being outgoing. I wasn’t this outgoing in high school."

• Shanice Henderson [17:52]: "I was pretty depressed after my first season because people judge so much."

• Shanice Henderson [22:45]: "If someone says something negative, I respond with positivity. It usually diffuses the situation."

• Shawn French [24:05]: "You have to meet them with empathy. It can turn a troll into a fan."

• Shawn French [35:14]: "You gotta risk it to get the biscuit."

• Shanice Henderson [38:44]: "Everything happens for a reason. You just gotta move on and push through."

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Transcript

[A]

Sean French. What up? This one luck I let the pain inspire me I put my all in Everything I'm doing up until it's done I meet for the entirety I put it in overtime I be working just know I'm a go for mine cause I earned it. They watch and I know it's time I confirmed it the whole society determined.

[B]

Determine what's up everybody? Welcome back to the determined society. I am your host, Sean Fritz. I have an amazing guest today as I crush my microphone here. But I want to say if this is your first time ever listening or watching the show hit subscribe on YouTube or Apple or Spotify. Leave a review and tell me what you love about the show. Today we're gonna have an amazing conversation. I have my new friend Shanice Henderson with me. She's from the summer house at Mathis Vineyard, correct? Yes. On Bravo. Season one and two or just season two.

[C]

Season one and two.

[B]

Season one and two.

[C]

Part time. Season one, full time, season two.

[B]

Okay. And we're pulling a season three because she's an amazing human being. And we're here in the studio now at Exposure studios in Naples, Florida. And we were just at the omniplay and pickle ball, but thanks for not embarrassing me.

[C]

Right. Well.

[B]

Well, I did. You did you a little bit. I swung and missed times. Like, I didn't feel completely like a fish out of water. I felt like I play one more time and I'm you up. Like, I. I got you.

[C]

We'll see.

[B]

I got you.

[C]

We'll see.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Next time.

[B]

It was fun, though.

[C]

It was actually a lot of fun. It was fun. I had a great time.

[B]

It was great. But, dude, thank you so much for coming down.

[C]

You're welcome.

[B]

You had a long drive today.

[C]

I did.

[B]

And we've had a good morning, but I'm just excited to share who you are and your story with the audience. So for those of you that don't know Shanice, she was born in North. South Dakota.

[C]

South Dakota. South Dakota, not North Dakota.

[B]

I know it's in Dakota. So tell everybody about you growing up and what you were into and just kind of your journey.

[C]

So I'm from South Dakota, born and raised. I played sports all my life. So I played basketball, ran track. What else did I play? Softball, tennis, soccer. Every sport you could probably hockey. I played hockey. I was a goalie.

[B]

Stop, stop, stop. You were a goalie?

[C]

Yes. So let's talk only girl.

[B]

Let's talk clearly.

[C]

You were.

[B]

You could have been on the Mighty Ducks.

[C]

Yeah. No, I was actually. I wasn't great, but I wanted to try it, and I actually played hockey instead of basketball.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

Third grade.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Yes. How.

[B]

Okay, so this is an interesting thing because I've also done a lot of background on you, and we've had a lot of great conversations over the last few weeks. Yeah, you're very strong mentally. And so, like, did hockey play a part in that? Like, did sports play a part of that?

[C]

Because I would say hockey did, but definitely sports.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

It helps. I feel like anytime you play sports, it helps you in the wrong long run because you're with a team, you know, you're working with people. It's just. And I was a point guard playing basketball, so I'm. I'm a leader. So I like telling people what to do.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Like, I feel like I have the power. And I'm like, no, we're running this play. We're not doing that. You're doing this, you're doing that. So I like that it's an interesting.

[B]

Angle because, like, you know, a lot of people when we talk about sports. Right. And this we talk a lot about on the show, and I'm glad we're going down this road right away is, you know, sports changed my life. Right. Playing just the game of baseball got me places and.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And in rooms and meeting people that would never meet. And to a point, like, I think the brand. Right. Or the show, if I was. If I wasn't an athlete and have that credibility, I don't know what this would even even been exactly. But then you got a lot of people, like, hey, it's just not sports. No, it truly is. Like, you learn a lot about life. What did sports teach you about life?

[C]

Oh, honestly, just seeing different things. Culture. Like, even for aau, I traveled so much to where I was seeing, like, what is in each state, because living in South Dakota, it's so. It's closed. Like, you don't know really what's going on in different states. So just seeing, like, different cultures, it is a culture shock just going to these different places. But it just. It made me a more, I would say a riskier person taking risks. Like, I moved to LA when I was 23, and I think playing sports helped me do that. Just being, like, a leader and just being, like, trusting myself more and just moving to LA by myself, moving to New York by myself, living by myself with no parents around me. So I feel like that just made me a very, like, very mentally strong.

[B]

Yeah, it's a really good point. Right. Because you're talking about risks as it pertains to, you know, being a leader, a point guard, an athlete, and taking certain risks in your life that normally people wouldn't take. And it's funny because I find I take a lot of risks, that even sometimes my wife is like, dude, what are you doing? But like, my mind just works in a way of like everything is figureoutable. Right? Like every. It's not even a word. But you know, my sister in law Michelle always says that. So that's our thing, figureoutable, you know, really, like no matter what risk you take, there's always a way for it to pay off, you know, And I took a risk when I started the show, everything like that. But you moving to LA when you were 23, that is a big life event that I don't want to under. Look, I want to really touch on that. What was your experience like when you got out there?

[C]

I didn't know no one there, literally. I had my model friends, which they weren't the closest to me.

[B]

Right.

[C]

So I was lost, completely lost. Um, I lived in the studio apartment in Koreatown. Um, no one can drive there. It's very busy, congested. I was very lonely. Um, I mean, I lived in Arizona, so it was only like a six hour drive, so I could go home whenever I wanted. But it was still just. I didn't know anybody but the Playboy Playmate girls and like that's it. So it was hard. And then I was dating somebody, but he lived in another state, he played in the NFL and that was a mess. So kind of.

[B]

What? Yeah, I don't want to touch on that.

[C]

Yeah, so that happened and it was just, I was lonely, but I did it for six months and I just decided I was like, you know, I don't like this. Girls are very catty out there. They're not the nicest. It was hard to meet friends. It was just, it wasn't fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I did the modeling thing. I was making money, but it's not like income coming in all the time. So I was stressed out about that. It just, it wasn't for me.

[B]

So money, money creates stress. But yeah, let's catch up. So you were a Playboy bun?

[C]

Yes, I Miss April. Yes.

[B]

I didn't know that.

[C]

Yeah, 2014.

[B]

2014. Yeah, 2014. Ms. April, 2014, right here. So I mean, that's interesting to me. Right. And we touched on a little bit when we were playing pickleball. But what was that experience like?

[C]

Yeah, it was a lot. I mean, I saw a lot. It was fun, though. It opened up a lot of doors. And I think that also helped me with my confidence, too, and being like, oh, like, I am pretty, you know, Like, Okay. Like, because when I grew up, I, like, grew up. I had glasses. I wasn't. I didn't think I was the cutest anyways, but, like. And then I had braces and retainer and, like, you know, the whole space in my. In between my teeth.

[B]

The space? Yeah, the space space.

[C]

A huge gap. Like, so I feel like Playboy helped me just with my confidence in, like, becoming who I am today. And I love being around people and that I had to be around people all the time. Playboy. Because I'm doing, like, serving. We used to work at parties at the mansion, and I would go up and we'd be servers, so I was serving different celebrities at parties. And you can't just be, like, shy going up, like, hey, like, how are you? So that helped me with that, and that's why I'm in sales today. That's awesome. So, like, I feel like my whole life kind of, like, all my experiences just kind of, like, add up and they're just all in one now. And I'm like, a people person. And, like, I love being around people, but if you think about what I grew up in, obviously, like.

[B]

Yeah, it just.

[C]

It's weird how things, like.

[B]

See, that's badass, right?

[C]

Like, I'm like, huh? You know what? I've been doing this my whole life.

[B]

I fucking love introspective people like you. Because it's like that moment that six months in LA Ms. April 2014. You know, there's. There's people that will look at them like, oh, yeah, no, that's not the.

[C]

But that helped you help me with my confidence. It helps me, like, be outgoing. I wasn't this outgoing. Like, no. In high school. And, like, call it. Hell no. No. I was crazy. No. I was so quiet.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

My basketball coach in high school used to call me shy because I wouldn't talk to him.

[B]

Really.

[C]

I would not say a word to them. They thought that something was wrong with me. Why did she talk?

[B]

There might be.

[C]

Of course, there's always something.

[B]

Like a thousand things. Right.

[C]

There's a lot of things wrong.

[B]

Yeah. We'll get to that next segment. Yeah.

[C]

When I was younger, he was like, what? Why is she talking? Like, what? Like, I was just so shy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And, like, the way I would, like, make the plays in my head, I would just, like, I would just watch it and just do it. But I wouldn't say anything to him.

[B]

I was introverted back then.

[C]

Yeah. I was like, okay. And I would just do it. And then he's like, what is wrong with her? I'm calling her shy. But like now I'm like, yep, yep, that's so cool.

[B]

It just. It just shows.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I always like to educate the audience, like for the. For people listening or watching right now is. Is get stepping out of your comfort zone. Right. And doing something that others may feel is like, okay, not for them and may judge, but at the same time, like, it could enrich your whole life and your. In your life. It helped you, it shaped who you are. Right. And I think that the. The big thing is, is it's just being a little more open. Right. And more talkative and. And being able to network, if any. If it taught you anything, being able to network is set yourself up. So you're in sales now?

[C]

Yeah, so I'm in sales now and I'm going business to business and making deals and closing deals now.

[B]

And you're selling software, right? Point of sales.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That's a grind.

[C]

So it is. It's a. Hospitality. Is a grind.

[B]

So is it only hospitality? Do you do restaurants or is it just hotels?

[C]

Restaurants. Yep. Restaurants, hotel, like the whole thing.

[B]

What's your geographical area?

[C]

Tampa. Just.

[B]

Just Tampa.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Just Tampa.

[C]

Tampa. Yeah.

[B]

So you can't do business anywhere else?

[C]

No.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Tampa.

[B]

What if you ask for permission?

[C]

Like, I don't think they would care if I got like a deal somewhere else, like in Miami or something and I ask. I don't think they would.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I've never done that.

[B]

In the payroll industry, we used to have this cross, a thing called crossover, right?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Have to request permission to talk to this prospect based on some type of referral connection, like a CPA bank or current client.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I don't know. Just my mind just like how to help, you know?

[C]

Right.

[B]

That's cool. What do you enjoy about business to business?

[C]

Talking to people and building relationships. Like, it's just so easy to me. I don't know what it is. Like, I'll walk into an office and they'll have like, I don't know, like a football team up. And I'm like, oh, like you're into football? Like, oh, yeah, that team sucks or something. Like make them laugh or just do something.

[B]

Teams of shits.

[C]

Yeah. Like, oh, your team did horrible.

[B]

I take that off the wall.

[C]

Like I don't even go and sell like what I'm Actually selling. Like, I'm not going to walk in there and be like, oh, here's my device or POS system. Like, whatever. Like, I just go in and I have a conversation with them.

[B]

But that sales, right? Yeah, that sounds like. I was on the phone with you this morning when I was at Publix. And you heard the conversation, right? I ran into somebody new.

[C]

I was like, yeah.

[B]

I was like, hey, dude, are you still with the company? So. And so I'm like, hey, I have my own company. I like. He goes, can you please come in tomorrow? Like, there you go. It's a lot of times and I think that this is what's.

[C]

If there's sales working, right?

[B]

Always, it doesn't stop. But like, people think sales is about selling somebody something. And I think we've all gotten into that mindset, right? And that's when we struggle.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But sales is more of like the relationship building the conversations. And like, once you have that relationship, it's like, yo, how can I do?

[C]

Right?

[B]

How can I help? And that again, that experience in la, that experience in New York has led you to the ability to do this business to business.

[C]

Because I'm not shy. I go in and I just be myself and say something stupid or no, like, what? Like, oh, yeah, well, what are you selling? Why are you here? And I'm like, oh. And then they want to know exactly like, oh, she's nice, she's cool. Like, what are you selling? Yeah, I mean, why are you in my office?

[B]

I'm like, well, it's a dynamic, right? It's, it's, it's. I think the biggest, the hardest part about sales is actually getting off your ass and walking through the door.

[C]

That's literally, once you do that, you're good.

[B]

It's game over. Right?

[C]

Right.

[B]

Because I think that a lot of times, you know, business to business, sales reps, they go in and they see, you know, that crotchety old gatekeeper and shut down. But it's hard, right? But it's like, yeah, like, just be kind to them. Because you don't know that could be the owner. Especially in small businesses, like in, you know, restaurants that you call on, it's like, you know, you got to be careful how you ask that question. You know, I was like, hey, I'm looking for so and so. Would you be that person? Yep.

[C]

And then you do your pitch.

[B]

You do what?

[C]

I get your job and get it close. Yep.

[B]

In the room. So. Damn. So, so. College basketball.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Sales. Playboy Bunny, Reality tv reality. So let's talk about the reality tv.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So, all right. So talking about Summer House, Martha's Vineyard.

[C]

Yeah. So Summer House, Martha's Vineyard. It's filmed in Martha's Vineyard. And so I was friends with these girls before the show aired. We all used to work at the Playboy Club in New York together, and we would go to Martha's Vineyard every summer. And Bravo was looking for a group of friends that visit the vineyards, and they reached out to us and we're like, oh, why not? So then they found a group of.

[B]

Guys and another instance where your time in La Risk.

[C]

I'm a risk taker. I'll do it. So then that happened, and we're in a house in Martha's Vineyard for a month, and we're. It's a shared house, and we're basically turning up having parties, fighting. Okay. Everything. I mean, like, you do, you get Airbnb with your friends and goes down.

[B]

Dude. It's so funny. It's like, because I, like, I met you through a mutual contact, right? So it's not like I, you know, watch your show. I'm like, oh, I have to have her. Like, I need to go watch the show. You do, Because I've been just so interested in you as a person. Right.

[C]

I like that because most people will watch the show and then judge me off the show to where you actually met me now. So you know how I am.

[B]

I know.

[C]

So you'll watch the show and be like, what is she? Like that. I like that.

[B]

So that's so funny because it's like. Like, I talk to you on I. I would say, like, a pretty regular basis. Like, we touch point, like, a couple times a week. And, you know, like, I like doing it that way and then going back and being like, that's. Yeah, that's not right.

[C]

Because people think I'm like, just party girl. And I'm like, you guys.

[B]

That's what it says on the Internet.

[C]

Yeah, I know, I know. I mean, girl, Shani, I love party. Yeah.

[B]

I like to go out.

[C]

I'm single. I'm single. Like I said, I'm single. No pets, no kids, no pets. Why not? But, I mean, I do have a normal life. I don't drink like that, only, like, when I'm out with my friends. But, like, I go to the gym, I go to Pilates, I go to work.

[B]

You're going to be an instructor?

[C]

Yeah, I'm going to be a Pilates instructor at Trumbull. So, like, I have a normal life.

[B]

No, totally.

[C]

Like, I'm not this crazy woman that's like out every weekend and drinking every night. Like, what the show makes me to be. Like, I actually have goals. I'm a normal human. Like, I like to have fun. Of course. But who doesn't? Like, I love Sunday fun days. I love watching football games. I love sports. I like, you know, like. Yeah, but I do have a normal life.

[B]

It's so funny because, like, I'm sitting here thinking, like, if they put my ass in a house for a month with a bunch of my homies, baseball friends or even like, dude, even my business partners.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Even my boys at grit, like, we would. Like, it would be.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Like, don't do that.

[C]

You in a house with all of your friends. I would be.

[B]

I would be the villain. I would be the villain that I would. They would catch me saying some dumb shit.

[C]

Oh, yeah. And you forget the cameras are even there sometimes. And which is not a good thing. Sometimes you'll forget they're going to use. Yeah. Like, actually, I farted once on camera.

[B]

Did you?

[C]

Yes. And they got it.

[B]

Oh, oh, no.

[C]

Silent. I'm sitting there eating chip. I'm lactose intolerant. And I was eating cheese, like cheese chips. And I was like, fuck. I was like, oh, my God, I have to fart.

[B]

And then you farted on camera.

[C]

It was laugh. They put that on. I was like, oh, God.

[B]

Did. Did it, did it smell though? Like.

[C]

No, it didn't. It didn't. It did not.

[B]

It did not. Thank God. Could you imagine?

[C]

I know. And everyone's like, you fart in public.

[B]

And on camera, right?

[C]

No, that.

[B]

That'd be the killer.

[C]

It was just like an air.

[B]

Dude, that's some funny.

[C]

But I forgot the cameras were there. And I was like, God dang it, that sucked. They used it, you know. Yeah.

[B]

Is anything sacred?

[C]

No.

[B]

Is anything sacred anymore? Well, I mean, hey, at least people know you fart.

[C]

Yeah, right? I'm like, well, that's out. Dude, I fart.

[B]

That's some funny ass shit. Literally.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I was going to ask you is, you know all these experiences. Yes. You live a normal life. You're a normal human being. Right, Right.

[C]

Surprise.

[B]

But surprisingly, the farter over here.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

This is such a fun. It's such a fun job. It's like, this is my life, really. My fucking life. But like, I think like a big part of being a public figure. What I'm starting to learn in my early journey, what three and a half, four years in, is there's massive mental health that is tied to or lack thereof sometimes, you know, when. When we're dealing with all this stuff. So, like, going on the show, having the world perceive you as something other than who you truly are, how did that affect you and how did you overcome those things?

[C]

Well, I'm not going to lie. I was pretty depressed after, like, my first season because people judge so much.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'm like, it's like, you don't even know me. Like, I'm not even that person. Like, you have no idea, like, the story about, like, my ex. And I don't really.

[B]

Can you tell me the story? I don't know the story.

[C]

I actually don't like talking about it.

[B]

You don't talk about it.

[C]

But, like, just even that situation, people would judge me based off that. And I'm like, what? Like, you don't even know the real story. So, like, that. And then it's just like, people would just judge just from tv. And I'm like, you don't know me. So just like, even, like the comments, I try not to read them. I always put my comments on, like, I just don't even go on social media when, like, our show airs. So that's helped me a lot.

[B]

That's good.

[C]

And I've been through so much. I feel like in my life it kind of helped my mental health. Like, even, like the Playboy thing, like, I've had people call me a slut ho, like all this stuff. And I feel like just doing that and like going through that kind of helped me get through this situation. Just because I'm like, just ignore it. Don't read it. I used to work at Hooters and like, people. Guys would say the craziest things.

[B]

Oh, I said so.

[C]

Yeah. And I'm so. Honestly, it affected my mental health. I'm not going to lie. Like, I was kind of like, even after airing, I get like, PTSD from, like, cameras and stuff. And, like, I feel people are like, following me because we get followed all day and I feel like people are watching me. So I'll sit in my room for like a week after filming and just like, not do anything.

[B]

It's like, not talk to anyone. Yeah. That's like the. The detoxify, right?

[C]

Yeah. So I'm just like, it's my cleanse. Yeah. For like a week. So, I mean, I. I feel like Playboy kind of helped me get through all the, like, shit talking. And like, I'm. I'm very strong. Like, I have a very. I read that on you Very, very strong. And, like, I work in sales, so I get denied. I get rejected all the time. So I'm kind of just used to, like, I don't know, maybe I'm just numb to it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, I don't even care anymore. I'm just like, honestly, like, you're gonna get who I am. I think there's people gonna judge you no matter what, right?

[B]

No, of course.

[C]

No matter what you do, you can be perfect and people are gonna say something. And I've learned that from being on tv. Like, I told.

[B]

Go ahead, sorry.

[C]

One of my friends is on reality tv. I'm like, you can't comment on everything that people say, but you just. You can't. Like, do you think Kim Kardashian comments on every single thing? No, she doesn't care.

[B]

No. Like, you people are going to built an empire. She doesn't give. Right.

[C]

She doesn't care about anything. So you got to just ignore it and let it go. Like, I don't care. Like, people like, oh, like. Because there's like a scene where I went skinny dipping. Well, I would pull it up, Johnny. I went down a slip and slide. But naked on tv.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And people are like, oh, my God. Like, she never has any clothes. I like just being like, me. I'm like, guys, I'm in a house with my closest friends. I mean, yeah, I get it. I'm on tv, but I don't care.

[B]

Do you know they're not.

[C]

Like, I'm having fun. Yeah. I'm blurred out. Like, it's whatever. Like, ignore it. Like, move on. Like, you're sitting.

[B]

Like, they didn't skinny dick.

[C]

Right, Exactly. You're sitting on the couch watching me on tv.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Like, yeah. And I would tell people that I'm.

[B]

Like, dude, it's funny because I'm like, thinking of this thing as you're going through this, you know, conversation of not looking at your comments after your film or when your show airs. Like, dude, there's a large part of mental toughness there.

[C]

Right?

[B]

And I think that comes from sales. I think that comes from being a, you know, an athlete. Right, Right.

[C]

Because even when you're an athlete, you get like, people talk about you all the time. I had a horrible game. Oh, like, what were you doing? Like, that was horrible. Like, you get so. I think I'm just, like, numb to it. Like, every. All my situations in life. I think it's just like, I'm just like.

[B]

But it takes a special person to follow through with not reading the comments.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You have to be mentally tough.

[C]

Mentally tough.

[B]

Because, like, dude, there's like. Like, we posted a video when I. When I had clay on, you know, and YouTube was killing me for my ears. Yeah. And, like, in my eyes, I'm like, man, y'all right, like, here. Yeah. And, dude, like, I'm not gonna lie. I'm a human being, right? I'm, like, it hurt my feelings, right? It did, But. Because, like, those were the things that people made fun of me for when I was a kid, right? And I sat there for a second, and then I just put big eyes, you know, or like a smiley face, like crying, like, laughing, like, I'm. And they stopped. There's a way to diffuse people, right? And so let's talk about that, because as there's a lot of, you know, public figures that listen to the show that are. Had been on the show and will be coming on the show. And for me, it's like, when someone comes at you, you have to meet them with a certain energy. Or, you know, maybe I'm doing it wrong because I should come at them with more because then shit goes more viral. But I like to diffuse it because to me, I have two beautiful daughters, a wife and a son. I need to be in a good energy.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Right. So, like, how do you diffuse people?

[C]

So if someone says something negative under my comments, like I said, I don't usually need them, but if I do, I will literally, someone will say, oh, like, you need to keep your clothes on. I will come at them with a positive comment. I will say, oh, you know what? Your glasses are so cute in your photo. And they'll be like. They will literally be like, oh, my God, like, I didn't mean what I said. Like, I love you. And I'm like, oh, so you just want me to reply to you, but you just want my attention.

[B]

That's all it is, dude. Because, like, they see you as somebody bigger than life, larger than life, because you're on TV and you have a good platform on social media, and, you know, people give a shit about. About you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I've. I. We. I did a video with. With my production team, probably like, not even a year ago, was about, if you think baseball is boring, it's not the sport for you. And I go off. And the trolls came out, dude.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

And like, oh, fuck this guy. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm just like, yeah, I guess I was kind of wrong, dude. I think pitch clock Is okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they come back like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, hey, dude, it's cool, man. Like, I. You don't. You don't look at me as a person. And then you comment and you say some. And I come back you with. Back to you with empathy. And then they follow me.

[C]

Right?

[B]

That's like, okay, there's a new. There's a new fan.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Like, right, so like I was telling you earlier today about the marriage video. I did. I thought I was going to get killed for that video, and I did not. And I. And I told Mike I didn't. I took a risk. I'm scared. I'm scared. Put this out. Remember, I was like, I talking to my production team. It's raw and unedited. I'm going to do it. But like, I was like, dude, I don't want to put this out. I was like, bro, like, pretty much said, we're fucking putting it out. Yeah, it's good. And it was true. And. And I got one piece of hate on. On tech. Of course it was TikTok.

[C]

Of course. It's always.

[B]

And it was just like saying how it was, you know, promoting toxicity in a relationship and selling it as passionate.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I said, I completely can understand how you would see that that is not what I'm doing. See, she didn't even respond.

[C]

They just want you to, like, the fuck. Right?

[B]

You know, it's like. But to the point, like, yeah. And I think this message is important for the listeners because there's so many people right now listening to the show that don't understand how. How quickly the hate or the pressure from social media can come. And that's why my kids are not having a phone until they're eighth grade. They're not getting social. Right.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

I'll get my. Get a flip phone. Fuck that.

[C]

Right? I agree.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, fuck. But it's like. But also think there's a bright light in social media. Without social media, I'm not sitting here with you.

[C]

Right.

[B]

We don't.

[C]

There's definitely positive things.

[B]

There's amazing things about social media. We have to understand how to navigate it.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And some, like, some people's brains aren't fully formed. Dude.

[C]

No.

[B]

There's some soft shells out there, man. The. That you see.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Good God. Like, how are these people even looking at themselves in the mirror with the. That they're saying, I don't know. It's nuts.

[C]

I don't know. They're just bored.

[B]

So what's going on? Season three. Is it happening? Like, what are we looking at?

[C]

Well, season three is on pause right now. I'm praying next summer we'll be no dudes. Yeah, no dudes. We need men. Where are you guys at exactly?

[B]

What's the requirement?

[C]

Fun.

[B]

Be fun. There's no fun. Dudes. No.

[C]

They're so boring. I mean, just like, you gotta, like. Like, you know, be like me, but a guy. So you want to, like. I need guys that are, like, on the show, that want to have fun, that drink and are just a good time, chill, outgoing, tall. Tall. Tall.

[B]

Gotta be tall. Yeah, gotta be tall.

[C]

Height requirement of 6. 6. 6.

[B]

6. Damn, that's D. Jesus.

[C]

I'm just kidding. But no, just a good time. Like, don't worry about your image too much. Yeah, Like, I get. You have to worry about your image.

[B]

A little bit, but, like, of course.

[C]

Yeah. We need. We need chill, outgoing guys.

[B]

Well, I hope it happens, because I want. I want to see season one. Season two.

[C]

Yeah. And I want to film it really bad. I miss it. I love being on camera.

[B]

I know you do. I know you need to create another show and have me as a host.

[C]

I do. I do. It's in the works. Yep.

[B]

Be fun, man. It'd be fun.

[C]

That would be so much.

[B]

It'd be so much fun. I don't know what kind of show would be, but.

[C]

No, I feel like it would be good. Like a game show host or like. Yeah, okay. Kind of like.

[B]

Yeah, like, what kind of game?

[C]

I don't know. Not like a love show, but, like, challenges, too. But you, like, you're in the house.

[B]

Maybe.

[C]

Maybe some love.

[B]

Yeah, I could see. I could do a dating show.

[C]

Yeah, maybe like a dating show. Hold on.

[B]

Clarify, honey. I meant host the dating show. I just want to be very, very clear. I. I think it'd be fun.

[C]

I think it would be fun, like, do, like a dating show, but games, too. Like in competitions.

[B]

Oh, like the old school. Newlywed Game meets. Have you ever. You ever heard about the Newlywed Game?

[C]

No.

[B]

I used to watch with my parents back in the day. Okay, you, like, these newlyweds would get on.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they would ask questions and they would answer them. See how well you knew your.

[C]

Oh, you're dangerous.

[B]

It was.

[C]

That would be dangerous.

[B]

I can't believe you didn't know. No, I'll be. I'd be totally down to be a host on something. That'd be fun. That would be a separate project. It wouldn't be too much work. I Think it'd be, like, a month.

[C]

And you already know people would be on the show and stuff. You have.

[B]

I do public figures.

[C]

That.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Great.

[B]

That'd be fun.

[C]

Yeah. I think it'd be amazing.

[B]

I think we need to talk to some people after this.

[C]

I know.

[B]

I think we could.

[C]

I think we do the show and do it, and we need to do it. I'm down.

[B]

You want to co host or you want to be in it?

[C]

I want to be in it.

[B]

Oh, you want to be in it.

[C]

I want to co host, though, too. I can do both. Can I. Can I be, like, do it one season of me in it and then, like, I'll co host the next? I think people in the action.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'm really competitive.

[B]

Yeah. I want to be, like, as a host. I think it's cool because, like. But, like, you know, like, I want to be more involved, you know, because, like, if you look at Love is Blind. Right. Right. Which this season is a fucking dumpster fire.

[C]

Don't even get me started.

[B]

No, I'm getting you started. It's a dumpster fire.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It is a dumpster fire. Oh. Like, three couples taking it to the altar, which is tonight.

[C]

Is it Wednesday?

[B]

It's Wednesday.

[C]

Oh, it is Wednesday. Oh, my God. Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Oh. Then the reunion.

[C]

Oh, yes. I'm so excited to get home.

[B]

I know.

[C]

I forgot all about that.

[B]

I don't. You don't need it. We don't need to eat lunch. We don't need lunch. Oh, my wife would shoot me if I watch it without it. But. But no, I just think that, like, I don't know where we got going with that, but, like, you know, finding the right people is so important. But, yeah, this season is.

[C]

The season's very messy. I don't know what those producers or casting director, I don't know if they didn't do any, like, background checks or what, or.

[B]

I don't know. I can't speak on that, but I know it's entertaining.

[C]

It is very entertaining.

[B]

It just. It's.

[C]

It seems like they're just not there for the right reasons, though. It's just like, you know, why they're there, obviously.

[B]

But that's the other thing, too, to your point. Right. Like, we don't know them. Right. We don't know. We don't know everything else going on, like.

[C]

Right. But have no idea. But, like, we're watching it. So now I'm the person watching it, judging these people, and I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah. Now I'm like, walk collection. Can't do that.

[B]

Damn it. Sh.

[C]

I know. I'm like, sh. Don't judge them because you don't know what's going on.

[B]

We got season three, my friend. We got season three coming up.

[C]

I know. And now I'm like. But that's why I don't judge my friend that's on reality tv, because I'm like, I can't do that because I don't know what's going on.

[B]

So I have two friends that were on that show, right? Clay, obviously. Mutual friends. And then Kelly, and she was, like, the first person, in my opinion, to get killed because she said no at the altar.

[C]

Oh, she was with Kenny.

[B]

She was season one.

[C]

Yes. Oh, I remember. I remember.

[B]

And she is. Sweetheart. She's amazing. Hi, Kelly. She's great. She's been on my show. I want to do it again with her in person. But she's just incredible human. But, like, we know these people. And to me, the hardest thing about doing interviews, like, I'm doing this interview with you now. It'll post our clips. Will post. And someone like, oh, you interviewed her. Did you? Did you not?

[C]

Like, did you know this happened?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Did you know she did this?

[B]

Yes. I didn't know about the skinny. Like, who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? So, like, so my thing is, like, I used to run naked through the streets when I was 12 years old. Me and my baseball buddies. Hey, let's. You know, right? Let's go streaking through, like, I was My bucket list.

[C]

I was like, I've always wanted to do that.

[B]

I was the original Will Ferrell going streaking through the quad into the gymnasium.

[C]

Who cares?

[B]

That's what we did.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Idiots, right? But, like, when we know these people and, like, I know you now, so, like, when it comes out, right? And people are like, I take that personal because nobody knows the person behind the production, right? And it's great. It's entertainment, you know? But. But nobody knows Clay, right? Nobody knows you. Nobody knows Kelly. Like, I know these people, right? And there's more coming, you know, there's more about to come on. And that's just the crazy thing about this. This show and where it's gone, it's like, yeah. You know, it started in my car. Like, dude, Glory.

[C]

What? Dude, Were you just, like, doing, like, lives?

[B]

No. I mean, so. Okay. Yes. So this is how. This is so funny how this is coming out now, but, like, the Determined Society was a Facebook page, and I just talk about risk, right? I made a risk face. I didn't like being on camera because I always pick myself apart, right? Like, every. Every video that goes out, I still look and I.

[C]

It's.

[B]

It's saved up. It's a prison.

[C]

It is. That's another thing about being on tv. It's like, I do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, I eat like that. What am I?

[B]

But, like. But you. But nobody else notices it, right?

[C]

But you. But you.

[B]

Like, wow. Like.

[C]

Like, what am I doing?

[B]

What am I doing with my.

[C]

That's how people change, though, because then they get, like, a bunch of work done on their face, and they're like, oh, I don't like that. But other people on TV watching you, like, oh, she's really pretty. And then you're like, why. Why am I looking like that? Like, why am I doing that? Like, damn, I need Botox.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

I mean, I get Botox. But, like, you, not me.

[B]

I haven't got Botox yet. I'm. I'm 46 and look like I'm 32.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, this is crazy.

[C]

Like, I, like, I don't age.

[B]

I'm like Benjamin Button, you know, I.

[C]

Wouldn'T have guessed your age.

[B]

46. Yeah. Well, no, hold on to the 23rd in five days.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

I'm still 45.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Happy early birthday.

[B]

Thank you. I'm on the back half of fucking 50 here. Like, we're getting there. Yeah, but no, so. So I took a risk, started putting things on camera, and, you know, I was in this era where, you know, I wanted to transition out of corporate America and build something of my own so I could feel like I was fulfilling my real purpose in life, which is being out there and helping people. And. And quite honestly, it sounds really fucked up, but I just want to be that bright light for people, and I wanted to show them, like, hey, yo, like, if you want to do something, just fucking go do it. So I'm like, well, how do I do that? I'm like, well, I guess I better fucking go do it.

[C]

Right?

[B]

So I started in the car. I was doing lives, like, at 4:00am oh, my God, what an idiot. 4:00am I was at this. I was in the party line gym. I'm going in. Yeah, I'm here. You know, and what it did is it showed people, like, okay, he's out there doing the work. He's, you know, up early, got his shit together. And then it turned into. I would do a podcast after the gym. Like, if something happened. Happened in the gym or a thought happened, a download, whatever, you want to call it? I would get on my phone. That's when anchor app was. I would just talk in the phone and then I would write the little minuscule show notes up and post it.

[C]

Just post it, post it.

[B]

And then I learned that you can upload videos.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

So I was like, wait a second, I could upload, I could do zooms. And then I remember this is all about growth, right? Like, it was so cringe. It was so bad. Like, I would hit record before the guests pop on. Like, hey, guys, I'm going to be here with so and so.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I think he's coming anytime soon. And then like, they would have a hard time. They were on an iPhone. It was flipped up sideways. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I did that for a little while and then I moved to Riverside, which was a better, you know, sound quality and better 4K quality, camera wise. And then now we're in person. But like, it just started because I was like, you know, like, I'm gonna take this chance and I don't even know how we consistent, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know how we got on that, but it's just like, yeah, man. This taking risks, taking risk. Like this thing started in my vehicle.

[C]

Right. You never know what can happen as a Facebook group. That's insane.

[B]

It's nuts.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And now we're here with amazing individual.

[C]

You have a whole TV and amazing.

[B]

Team, like amazing partners in the show. I have some amazing partners that we have some amazing things going on and they're very risky. Right.

[C]

But saying you gotta take the risk.

[B]

You gotta risk it to get the biscuit. Is that what I say? Exactly, exactly.

[C]

Like, I took a risk, the reality TV show, and I actually got fired from my medical device job because of it, which was. I don't.

[B]

Let's go. Let's go down this road. Let's go down this road.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I don't even give a shit. I'm going to say it. I'm going to leave this off. I'm a lead off hitter here. When I was growing my brand and I started getting more attention on Instagram, I was literally asked, like, how much time are you spending on your videos? How long does it take to edit it? Your follower count is getting too high. I was like, motherfucker, where is it? Say in my contract that I have a certain follower account that I can't go above what the fuck is going on. And all the while it was coming off of a year that I Sold almost a half a million dollars in capital.

[C]

Yeah. And they still.

[B]

And. And now you're like, what? Like, what's going. You know? And it was like, well, your numbers are down. Well, yeah, because I sold a half million in capital last year.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Those are years it needs to cycle through. Right. So I get it. So walk me through that. So they found out about the show.

[C]

They found out about the show. I actually. After I was done filming, I actually transferred from Arizona to Tampa, my job. And it was about four months in, I get a call from my new manager. And of course, somebody Googled me on my team. I don't know why, but they must have watched Bravo or something. And they're like, oh, her name sounds familiar. So I get a call from my boss, and he goes, oh, I didn't know I hired a celebrity. And I'm like, thinking in my head, I'm like. I'm like, oh. I'm like. I didn't say. I'm just like, okay. Like, this is stupid. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, just a little. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, just a little.

[C]

And then he was like, well, he goes to their last day, and I go. I was like, wait, what?

[B]

Illegal?

[C]

Literally. I was like, okay. And I was trying to explain myself. He would not.

[B]

You're in Florida, though.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. Florida you can do. Because I looked that up. Yeah. And then I was, like, trying to explain myself. I was like, hey. Like, I was only part time on the show. I was filming on weekends. I wasn't working on the same clock as I was filming during the week. I would leave Martha's Vineyard on Sundays. But he wouldn't let me explain myself. And he just, like, hung up. And I was like, did I just get fired? Like, I was like, what? That was insane. Yeah. And I was like. I called my mom. I was like, wait, can they do that in Florida? I guess you can fire. You don't have to say, yeah, right?

[B]

You don't. Yeah, you don't have to have.

[C]

So he literally just hung up in.

[B]

My face after 90 days or.

[C]

Yeah. Hung up. Just click.

[B]

Bye. Bye.

[C]

Yeah. I was like, okay.

[B]

It's crazy.

[C]

I was at the gym. I was like, well, everything happens for a reason. Let me go back and go to my workout. I mean, there's nothing. At that point, whenever something bad happens, I've just learned, you know what? Everything happens for a reason. Like, there's. I can't cry about it, because crying's not gonna do anything. You just kind of gotta move on and push through it and I feel like I've been through so much shit. I'm just like, oh, you know what? Everything happens for you. I have it tatted on me. Everything happens for a reason. Yeah.

[B]

Is that the one on the hamstring?

[C]

Yep. And I just like, it's my mom's favorite quote too. But at this point I'm just like, yeah, I just. You just can't do anything about it.

[B]

Nothing's bad.

[C]

No, everything bad. Right. It's like it just makes you go towards something. Maybe it was supposed to happen. Like, so what do you do? What do you do when you get fired in. Like you can't do anything. So it's like, okay, let me just move on.

[B]

You move on. See for me, I pulled the trigger first.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I knew it was, I knew like, dude, I felt like some weird ass energy. Like. Yeah, I'm not an idiot. Right. So, you know, it's funny, it's the first time I really talked about this on air. Yeah. And it was really hurtful because like my manager, I love and I know he loved me too. But it's like it got to a point where he felt. And we've never really had a conversation like, yeah, after. But like I think he felt that I wasn't working. And I was right. I was like, you know, people don't understand this game. Like we understand. And when I mean game, I don't mean like we're playing a game but like this is recorded and out of this recording my team's going to clip up endless amounts of clips and it's not me doing it. Hell, like, you know, potentially like most of us, like we have teams posting it for us. So it's like I could be in seven different places at one time and you're still working and I'm still working. And I think the biggest misconception is just that. And it's, it's hurtful because like if a company has somebody like us, it's actually the smart move.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But they're threat. I had a, I had somebody tell me recently, you can't. Like there was a, you know, somebody that had a leadership position. It was pretty. I was like, maybe I could go back. Yeah, I can do this and it'd be fun. And they're like, you would have to quit your little show. I go hard stop.

[C]

Yeah, not anymore.

[B]

And like, but I understood the perspective. I understood it and, and actually I was very strong back to him. And we've become friends and we text a lot and like, yeah, but like it's it's like nobody really understands.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Like, there's a lot of work that goes in this, but it's also. It doesn't interfere with as much as people think. So he felt like I wasn't working, and it was just. It was hurtful. And. And. And quite honestly, that risk put my family in a completely different financial situation. Like, we're not as good as we were then.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But we're. I mean, we're on. Come up. Right. Like, this is. We're about to get really wild.

[C]

Like another risk. Yeah.

[B]

But, like, the sacrifice and. And sometimes you just fucking have to stand up for yourself and you have to pull the trigger before somebody else does. And for me, that was just like, all right, I'm out.

[C]

Yeah, I'm out.

[B]

You know?

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Feel you on that one. That's.

[C]

Yeah. It was hard, though, because that was my first, like, medical device sales job.

[B]

Yeah. So.

[C]

And I was making great money.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Yeah. I was pain management. And then, like, I was top, like, on my team, southwest region, top 10. Like, rookie. So I was hitting all my goals and everything, and then I get that call. I'm like, okay.

[B]

Like, but see, to me, that's fucked up. It's like.

[C]

It is, because I was like, I filmed this last year on the weekend.

[B]

Yeah. It's like, wait a second.

[C]

So you didn't know for the whole year when I was in Arizona, like, you didn't pick up. Okay.

[B]

But, like, the thing is, is, like, I'm hitting my numbers, right?

[C]

Like, I'm hitting my numbers. I'm working every day. I'm working right now on phone. Like, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. I'm checking in Salesforce when I need to be in Salesforce. Like, I'm doing everything. Checking in my clients, logging my activity. Logging my activity, putting my notes down, calling people, doing cold call. Like, everything. I might be doing it for my car, but, like, it doesn't matter. No. And I.

[B]

And I think. And also, it's really good to know that you have Salesforce experience, because I'm getting some. We had a separate CRM.

[C]

Yeah, I got it. You know how to do it.

[B]

Just do that. And I'm off your ass. I'm kidding. So, like, it's funny because, like, I think working looks so much different now since COVID Yep. That people still, like, leadership. Still doesn't quite understand the evolution of it.

[C]

Right. Because you can work anywhere.

[B]

Closing a deal right now from the.

[C]

I literally. Yeah. I can have my computer right now. On public.

[B]

I'm working.

[C]

And you met a prospect.

[B]

Yeah, I ran into an old friend. I'm like, hey, let's go.

[C]

So I'm saying, you know, you're just always working, though, in sales.

[B]

Let's give a shout out to Ryan's Eatery in Fort Myers right now. Go check it out. Ryan Morrow. He's amazing.

[C]

But, yeah, it's like that.

[B]

Like, it's easy like that. That kind of right there is like, I'm buying food, snacks for my kids. Field trip. And that's work. Exactly. Because you run into people and you talk about networking. Networking. So, like, I just feel like, again.

[C]

Working, like, it's just so different these days.

[B]

Why does it have to look like it used to?

[C]

Right? Like, you don't need to sit in a cubicle.

[B]

No.

[C]

Like, we have so many, like, different ways to work. We can work from our cars.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Phones.

[B]

Phones.

[C]

Beater, Laptop. Like Martha's. Martha's Vineyard down below.

[B]

Exactly. Hello.

[C]

For my cell phone calls. Yeah, I was closing deals.

[B]

Why not? Dude, like. Yeah. You're micked up 24 7.

[C]

Oh. And I'm like, you know. Yeah. I don't know. It's annoying, but.

[B]

It's annoying. It is annoying.

[C]

It is what it is these days. You kind of got to.

[B]

But you grow through it, right?

[C]

You grow up.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You learn.

[B]

And for the people listening and watching, I think that what I want. I know. What I want everybody to take from this is like, you've gone through a ton of things. You've. You've made a lot of risks and taken a lot of risks in your life.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And you're sitting here, and sometimes the worst things that you think will happen, they do happen and they turn out to be blessings.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Right?

[C]

Yes. Yeah, that's very true. I'm learning that. I'm trying to, like, process that now. I'm like, you know what? Just trust in God.

[B]

Like. Yeah.

[C]

Just. Just take it as it is. If you get fired from something, like, go laid off, whatever. Just gotta, you know, let's lighten it.

[B]

Up a little bit. Let's lighten it up a little.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm gonna ask you a question. So it's nothing crazy. Don't worry.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

No, no, no. I would never do that. I would never do that.

[C]

No. You know, I mean, I'm ready. Yeah, go ahead, ask me. Whatever.

[B]

What's your biggest fear?

[C]

My biggest fear? Oh, I don't really. Honestly.

[B]

Or phobia.

[C]

Okay. Because I'm not scared. Too much fire. I'm Scared of fire. That's my biggest fear.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. Anytime a lighter comes near me or anything, I'm like, get that away from me.

[B]

You got a lighter?

[C]

No. Oh, my God. No. I hate fire. Like, I have to have that long, like, candle.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Thing to, like, light anything because I'm scared.

[B]

So you won't go on, like, a campfire?

[C]

I hate. No, I mean, I will, but I sit, like, really far back.

[B]

Is there a reason, like, fire, like.

[C]

I'm just like, like scares me.

[B]

You want to hear a funny story about fire?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So it was probably 2007. My uncle Brian, they lived on this farm in Arbuckle, California. And he would call me at randoms, like, hey, why don't you come up, have some beers? I'll all grill some tri tips. Let's roll. I went up and I. I get there and, like, they had walnut. Like, walnut from. They had, like, all this. This land and this big, like, pile of wood. And he lit it at night. And we were drunk. We were. Oh, God, we were probably. I mean, when me and my uncle get together, we. We literally kill, like, cases.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Like.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

In a night. Like, two cases. And I don't drink much, but when I. When I'm with my uncle, it's like that old Blake Shelton song. Like, you know, the more I drink, if I have one, I have 15. There's no. There's no in between. And so, like, me and him were like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I literally was so close to the fire and so out of touch. Like, my. I melted my shoes. I melted. Like I was on fire.

[C]

Yeah, Right.

[B]

I was just so close. It was just melting.

[C]

Everything cringe, like.

[B]

Yeah. Dude.

[C]

It's crazy.

[B]

I. My. My biggest phobia is like, this is. This is really shitty. Okay. And I think this is, like, because I'm a dad.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like all these bridges in Florida.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, if I go off, how do I get my family out? What? You've got way to die, right?

[C]

You got to put your windows down when you drive on bridges over water. I heard that. I don't know when that one bridge collapsed or what.

[B]

I don't know how you're so smart.

[C]

But they said that you have to roll down your windows when you.

[B]

So you get the kids out.

[C]

Right. So then you get out first. Of course. You gotta get your kids out and do it really fast. I don't know how.

[B]

Windows down.

[C]

Windows.

[B]

I'm down. I need one of those devices.

[C]

You gotta put your windows down every time you go over A bridge. Just in case.

[B]

That's my worst fear.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's scary, too. I've never even really thought about that.

[B]

I hate. I hate driving.

[C]

So you hate driving over bridges?

[B]

I do. Like, every time.

[C]

You just, like.

[B]

It's just a weird thing, man.

[C]

It is. Because a lot of it has happened recently. Like, we're just.

[B]

I feel like. I just feel like as I get older, I have more anxiety over that I never even thought of.

[C]

Right. Well, probably because you have children.

[B]

Right. So it's like when I go over, like, Fort Myers Bridge, like we have. We have to go over a bridge.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and when I was with you, I didn't notice it because I was talking.

[C]

Yeah. I don't think I noticed it either.

[B]

Yeah, I was talking. Did we go over bridge?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

You went over.

[C]

I went over a bridge turn. Yeah. And I had to go over at the bridge. Did you ever. Cape Coral? Yeah, But I, like, missed a turn. And then I was like, well, I, like, looked at. I thought I was gonna be able to turn around right away. And I was like, oh, my God, I gotta go over this bridge. And then you had to go around.

[B]

When you came back, the Omni was on your right hand side.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, you went to Cape Coral.

[C]

Yeah. Yep.

[B]

You went all the way over the bridge.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

She had to pay a toll.

[C]

Yeah. Yep. I was like. I was like, there we go.

[B]

Awesome.

[C]

Add that to my tool. There you go.

[B]

That's great.

[C]

I was like, oh, this is Florida.

[B]

You said. You said like, hey, I'm going over the bridge. I'm like, yeah, she went to Cape Coral. Because you're like, hey, I just took a wrong turn. I'll be there in two minutes. I'm like.

[C]

I thought. Yeah. I thought, oh, my God, I'm going over the bridge. I'm like, oh.

[B]

Oh, dude, that's brutal.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's. That's. That's a good five, ten minutes.

[C]

It is. I was like.

[B]

And that's the Veterans Bridge. Nine in the morning. It's very. It's. There's a lot of traffic. Yeah. Coming back over. Nobody wants to go to.

[C]

No one's going over. Yeah. So when I turned around. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I was like, oh, well.

[B]

Wow. Unbelievable. Well, you have a story to tell now.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, at least you. Hopefully you've worked up an appetite. You've. You've beaten me down in pickleball.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That's amazing conversation. I just want to thank you so much for coming on. And you know, sharing your story with the audience.

[C]

Yeah. Had a great time. Thanks for having me.

[B]

Anytime. So that said, everybody, thank you so much for tuning in. Please go check out Shanice on her profiles, follow her on all the platforms, learn about her more and share the show with somebody that you know love and trust that could get something out of the mesh. Until then, stay determined.

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