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The Determined Society with Shawn French

Episode: How David Royce Built a $500M Pest Control Empire From Door-to-Door Sales
Date: January 2, 2026
Host: Shawn French
Guest: David Royce

Episode Overview

This episode dives into the remarkable journey of David Royce, a serial entrepreneur and founder of multiple pest control companies, with his last venture exiting at an approximate valuation of $500 million. The conversation explores David's beginnings in door-to-door sales, the brutal grind of startup life, and the mentality required to scale “unsexy” businesses by applying a white-collar, systems-driven approach to blue-collar industries. David and Shawn discuss the realities behind overnight success myths, the importance of obsession, emotional intelligence, and resilience in entrepreneurship, and how trauma or adversity can be a potent motivator. Throughout, they offer pragmatic advice for aspiring founders and those struggling to scale their ventures.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Beginnings and Breakthroughs

• Starting Point: David began selling pest control door-to-door in college after a friend claimed to have made $25k one summer, and soon turned a rough start into a record-breaking sales run.
  • Quote: "The first week I'm just… it's miserable. I'm horrible at sales… I go the first five days in a row with zero, just zero. And you don't get paid. It's a commission only job." (05:45, David)
• Self-Improvement Approach: After the bad start, David hit the bookstore, read sales books daily by the pool, and rapidly improved.
  • Quote: “I’m going to commit myself to 90 minutes a day to reading… by the end of the year, I was the top sales rookie.” (06:00, David)
• Rapid Scaling: David moved into leadership and training roles quickly, building teams and earning serious summer money: “By the end, I’m making $225 grand a summer… that’s almost a half a million in today’s money.” (07:44, David)

2. Sales Mastery: Tactics & Psychology

• Learning from Failure: Both host and guest shared stories of initial failure in sales, stressing persistence and adaptability over innate talent.
  • "Everything is hard before it's easy... Persistence is genius in disguise... If you really want something, how hard are you willing to work for it?" (12:37, David)
• Objection Handling: David’s approach involved scripting rebuttals, learning body language, and fine-tuning every detail of persuasion.
  • "It's not just what you say, it's how you say it... your volume, your voice, the speed, the pitch, pausing..." (13:34, David)
• Emotional & Social Intelligence: They argued mastery in sales is fundamentally about reading people and relating to anyone—”People like people who are like them... If you can talk in a language they can understand, great.” (16:07, David)
  • Quote: “If you can find ways to relate to all of them, you're going to be fed.” (17:48, Shawn)

3. Scaling Up: From Operator to Entrepreneur

• Building (and Almost Breaking) a Business: David recounts how his first pest control venture nearly bankrupted him due to runaway sales and cash flow miscalculations:
  • “The first year I almost bankrupt the business... we grew too fast... when you’re paying out sales reps, you’re paying out the money before all the revenue comes in.” (27:16, David)
• Lesson: “Revenue is vanity, profits are sanity, but cash flow is reality.” (28:53, David)
• Iterative Growth: He used his early profits (and lessons from a brush with disaster) to build, sell, and scale larger ventures—eventually leading to an empire operating in 34 states.

4. Culture & Differentiation

• White Collar Approach to Blue Collar Industry: David implemented tech company perks (NCAA basketball court, movie room, golf simulator, epic travel retreats) to attract top talent and differentiate the company.
  • “I don’t care what every other pest control company is doing… We’re going to make our headquarters look really cool.” (47:06, David)
• Core Values: As the business scaled, culture and core values mattered more than metrics alone. “It gets harder… Instead of ‘what would Dave do?’ it becomes, what should the company do as a whole?” (49:02, David)

5. Adversity, Determination, and Obsession

• Work-Life Alignment: David stressed the importance of partner support—his own grind coincided with his wife’s grueling law career, which allowed both to chase their ambitions.
• Never Rest: Both host and guest discussed the trap of “enough,” and the value of staying humble and hungry: “Never forget where you came from… only the paranoid survive.” (51:59, David)
• Obsession as a Superpower:
  • Quote: “People often ask, what is the one skill you have to have as an entrepreneur... I always say it’s obsession.” (52:57, David)
• Resilience and Trauma: David credits childhood financial insecurity for his drive: “Every entrepreneur has a chip on their shoulder about something.” (60:17, David)
  • “You have to decide what is that one thing that drives you… And know you’re good with that, you can really lean on that chip.” (61:58, David)
• Applied Knowledge and Action: Mere access to info or online learning isn’t enough—it's about aggressively and repeatedly executing.

6. Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs

• Where to Start: “Today you can go on ChatGPT and just ask it, what are the top 10 blue collar businesses out there with the highest margins? And it’ll tell you everything you want.” (37:20, David)
• Scaling Tip: “Take a 30 day vacation, and if you come back and your business is still there, you’re ready [to scale].” (42:09, David)
• Focus on A’s, not B’s or C’s: David advises entrepreneurs to structure their time so they do only the most valuable tasks (strategy, new products, efficiency) and offload everything else.
  • Quote: “As an entrepreneur, you should focus only on your A’s… ask yourself, what is the best use of my time right now?” (44:18, David)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Blue Collar Riches:
  "There is an article in the Wall Street Journal… called the Stealthy Wealthy... the top 0.1% of income earners... 43% of all businesses are these guys." (34:14, David)
• On Scaling:
  “A lot of people want to work in the business as opposed to on the business.” (42:41, David)
• On Grit:
  "Obsession. People love to bag on obsession… but every high achiever I’ve ever spoke to… that’s exactly what they say. They’re like, 'I’m just obsessed.'" (53:54, David)
• On Quitting:
  "People always say, be careful, only 1% of people are successful at this. Is it because it’s impossible? No, it’s because the 99 of the other people just quit." (55:54, Shawn)
• On Adversity:
  “Trauma… I really think that’s the secret, is looking at it as a gift, because the big question in my mind is, would I have done what I did without it?” (65:41, David)
• Definition of Determination:
  “Doing what you said you were going to do, no matter how you feel emotionally at that time… showing up.” (59:41, Shawn)

Timestamps for Critical Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |:-------------:|:-----------------------------------------------------------| | 01:01 | When do you know a business is scalable? | | 05:45 | Struggling in first week of sales—turning point | | 12:37 | Overcoming sales struggles & persistence | | 16:07 | On mirroring and selling to anyone | | 27:16 | Almost bankrupting the business—cash flow lesson | | 34:14 | The “Stealthy Wealthy”—blue collar riches | | 42:09 | The 30-day vacation test for business scalability | | 44:18 | Prioritization—A, B, C tasks for entrepreneurs | | 47:06 | Company culture: building a unique, appealing HQ | | 49:02 | Scaling & values over metrics as business grows | | 51:59 | Paranoia and never resting on laurels | | 52:57 | Obsession as key to success | | 60:17 | Finding your “chip” or core motivation | | 65:41 | Viewing trauma/adversity as a gift |

Memorable Moments

• David’s honesty about his early failures and loneliness in sales.
• Discussion on the psychological edge of having a “chip on your shoulder.”
• The basketball court, movie room and skydiving as company perks for pest control staff.
• Both men opening up about their family dynamics and support at home.
• Host’s endorsement of obsession and learning, contrasting ‘passion’ with long-term resilience.
• David’s admission that he kept an obsessional focus on business every waking moment, but deliberately recalibrated priorities after building wealth.

Overall Tone

The episode is refreshingly raw, practical, encouraging, and direct—a blend of hard truths, inspiring anecdotes, and blunt business wisdom. Both David and Shawn share in a spirit of humor, humility, and unconventional thinking, making the lessons accessible whether you’re a grinding founder, a college kid, or a corporate professional at a crossroads.

Useful for Listeners Who...

• Are considering entrepreneurship, especially in “unsexy”/blue collar sectors.
• Want to understand scaling, systems, and the behind-the-scenes work of building a business.
• Value frank advice, real stories, and psychology over buzzwords and clickbait.
• Are seeking resilience, emotional intelligence, and honest discussion about work-life balance.

Recommended Action:
If you’re stuck, struggling, or about to give up—listen to these insights on self-drive, resilience, and getting comfortable in uncomfortable settings. Understand that perseverance, continual learning, and obsession—channeled wisely—are the real compounding factors of outsized success.

For more from David Royce, find him on Instagram or by searching his interviews online. Every show covers new angles and nuggets—don’t miss what could spark your next breakthrough.