How Jeffrey Delaney Is Rewriting the Rules of Men’s Health

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Determined Society with Shawn French

Episode: How Jeffrey Delaney Is Rewriting the Rules of Men’s Health

Date: November 17, 2025
Host: Shawn French
Guest: Jeff Delaney, Founder of T Clinic and New Viva

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Episode Overview

In this deeply candid and practical episode, Shawn French invites men’s health expert Jeff Delaney to discuss how modern men can reclaim their physical and mental health—rewriting mainstream narratives around masculinity, fitness, hormones, and well-being. The conversation delves into personal transformation, the vital role of hormone balance, the dangers of fitness misinformation, the impact of community and accountability, and the challenges men face in today’s shifting cultural landscape. The duo also tackle the nuanced use of medications like GLP-1s (Ozempic, Wegovy), and even address the evolution of women's hormone therapy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Intersection of Physical and Mental Health

• Shawn’s Personal Journey (02:08–06:12)
  Shawn shares his lowest points—feeling withdrawn, unable to engage because of mental and physical malaise. He credits Jeff’s clinics with helping him “wake up” mentally and emotionally by prioritizing nutrition, hormone therapy, and consistent routines.

  • Quote:
    “I was literally on the couch in a blanket, hiding from the world.” —Shawn [01:28]
    “The moment I started implementing that routine, my mind woke up. I became less angry.” —Shawn [06:12]

• Hormones as an Anchor (07:54–10:08)
  Jeff stresses that declining testosterone and hormone imbalances are major contributors to low motivation, increased stress, even cognitive fog for men as they age. Balanced hormone therapy can have a “positive cascade effect.”

  • Quote:
    “Hormones is probably the biggest anchor in the water for a lot of people...it kind of halts the deterioration process.” —Jeff Delaney [07:54]

Navigating Fitness & Nutrition Confusion

• Information Overload and Starting Small (10:08–14:23)
  The internet is rife with conflicting advice. Both agree incremental change—not radical overhauls—is the key to lasting progress.

  • Jeff’s Approach:

    • Focus first on nutrition over everything (80% of results)
    • Stack “small wins” instead of going “all in” and burning out
    • Find a resource/provider with consistent, science-based messaging

  • Quote:
    “I hate when someone goes all in overnight. Let’s look at the food…80% is nutrition. Stack small little wins.” —Jeff Delaney [11:49]

• Protein, Cravings, & Real-Life Struggles (16:12–19:47)
  Practical tips for dealing with cravings include always eating enough protein during the day and not allowing yourself to get to the “eff it” hunger point.

  • Quote:
    “One of the best and easiest things you could do is never let yourself get to the ‘eff it’ point when it comes to hunger…have consistent meals.” —Jeff Delaney [17:16]

• Low-Carb, Carnivore, and Individualization (17:41–21:22)
  Both men found “modified carnivore” high-protein, high-fat diets energizing, but Jeff cautions that needs are individual, and the average person benefits from low carbs unless very active athletically.

The Role of Accountability, Consistency, and Community

• Consistency Over Perfection (21:00–32:43)
  Both stress that life is seasonal; balance is impossible, but consistency is achievable by tailoring expectations and schedules. Jeff suggests men stop self-flagellating for missed workouts and restructure routines around real life.

  • Quote:
    “You restructure that plan so it fits your life and current schedule. Once you get past that season, you readjust.” —Jeff Delaney [04:59]

• Power of Community (03:04, 49:00–51:03)
  Shawn emphasizes the accountability and non-judgmental environment of T Clinic and New Viva, affirming that the communal aspect sustains motivation and produces results.

  • Quote:
    *“It’s a community…every time I would come in, it was like, ‘Damn, you look different than you did last week!’ —Shawn [49:00]

Men, Masculinity, and Modern Cultural Pressures

• Loneliness, Withdrawal, Toxic Masculinity (23:51–28:53)
  The discussion draws on current literature (e.g., Notes on Being a Man) and media narratives around “toxic masculinity.” Jeff and Shawn agree that traditional roles are misunderstood—men need connected relationships and positive self-image. When withdrawn, men often turn to vices.

  • Quote:
    “Guys, we need positive reinforcement or positive affirmations...without it, we go in our little hole and become a hermit.” —Jeff Delaney [25:40]
    “Normal masculinity has been coined as toxic masculinity…getting back to fundamentals is almost a must.” —Jeff Delaney [26:04, 28:22]

• Family Impact When Men Aren't Okay (26:54–29:52)
  If the man’s stability falters, the marriage and children suffer—a point they both see as under-addressed.

  • Quote:
    “If the man is not okay, the family struggles. The kids, the wife. I believe that.” —Shawn [26:54]

Scheduling, Guilt, and Sustainable Routines

• Optimizing Workouts and Family Life (30:07–34:03)
  They discuss the importance of fitting training into real schedules—sometimes by working out very early, sometimes by including children in activities.

• Self-Comparison & Running Your Own Race (51:03–52:26)
  Addressing the toxic nature of social comparison, Jeff recommends individualized goal-setting.

  • Quote:
    “Comparison will crush your happiness. Run your own race…Let’s set goals per you and stack wins.” —Jeff Delaney [51:03]

GLP-1s (Ozempic, Wegovy) & Peptide Therapies: Myths and Realities

• GLP-1 Cautions & Benefits (34:03–40:48)
  Jeff provides a masterclass on semaglutide, tirzepatide, and other GLP-1 medications. He warns that:

  • They aid most when paired with the right nutrition and exercise

  • “Poisons in the portion”—overdosing/using without lifestyle leads to muscle loss, metabolic slowdown, and rebound weight gain

  • Proper medical supervision is essential

  • Quote:
    “The poison’s in the portion with that stuff. It just enabled them to starve…they’re malnourished, lost a lot of muscle, metabolism’s in the dirt. When they stop, they rebound.” —Jeff Delaney [37:10]

  • Memorable Moment:
    Shawn jokes about “Ozempic ass,” highlighting the importance of muscle preservation and confidence, not just weight loss. [40:31]

Women’s Hormone Therapy: New Opportunities

• FDA Removes Warnings, Shifting the Narrative (41:16–45:03)
  Jeff is cautiously optimistic about hormone therapy for women, emphasizing it must be individualized and carefully managed—but removing the “demonization” is a step forward.

  • Quote:
    “You not managing your hormones is worse than you managing them and keeping them homeostatic.” —Jeff Delaney [42:04]

• Across Genders, Hormones Are Often the Hidden Anchor (45:03–47:03)
  Both men and women often experience profound malaise or dysfunction before lab values reflect “clinical deficiency”; individualized care is essential.

Measurement, Progress, and Setting Realistic Goals

• Measurement Tools & The DEXA Debate (52:26–56:19)
  The duo discuss the differences between caliper, impedance, and DEXA scans for body fat, agreeing that measurement tools are best used to track progress, not as a personal “truth.” Setting mini-goals and focusing on muscle gain & fat loss over metrics keeps motivation intact.

  • Quote:
    “Whatever device or tool we’re going to use, let’s stay consistent and work off that.” —Jeff Delaney [56:19]

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Notable Quotes & Highlights

• On mental health and movement:
  “One of the best antidepressants you could ever do is physical movement.” —Jeff Delaney [21:38]

• On the domino effect of self-criticism:
  “A lot of guys…try to put an unrealistic plan to their schedule. When they don’t hit it, they almost beat themselves up. That makes things worse.” —Jeff Delaney [30:32]

• On the foundation of change:
  “The vehicle is going to be the food. It’s forever going to be the food.” —Jeff Delaney [39:07]

• On building back after setbacks:
  “For the guy struggling…you look good, and you’re the goal. But what matters is how you feel and what you can do to move yourself forward every single day.” —Shawn [49:44]

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:00–01:15 — Shawn’s vulnerability & mental state before getting help
• 02:08–06:12 — The initial impact of hormone and nutrition interventions
• 07:54–10:08 — Hormones, aging, and motivation
• 10:08–14:23 — Nutrition confusion, information overload, and starting strategies
• 16:12–19:47 — Managing cravings, protein, and evening pitfalls
• 21:38–23:51 — The power of daily movement and the “four pillars” of health
• 23:51–28:53 — Men’s cultural pressures, the need for positive relationships, and impact on families
• 29:52–34:03 — Scheduling workouts, guilt, parenting, and real-world integration
• 34:03–40:48 — GLP-1s: what people get wrong, risks, and the right way to use them
• 41:16–47:03 — Women’s hormone therapy, myths, and new research
• 52:26–56:19 — Body composition tracking, calipers vs DEXA, and healthy mindset

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

This conversation is equal parts raw, relatable, and instructive—embracing humor and candor while never losing sight of the bigger picture. Both Shawn and Jeff champion an empathetic, incremental, and science-rooted approach to health that’s sensitive to the realities men and families face. Their message:
Lasting change isn’t about chasing perfection, but about stacking small wins, seeking support, and returning to foundational routines—and that self-care is vital, not selfish, for the health of everyone around you.

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If you’re feeling stuck, confused by conflicting advice, or tired of “all or nothing” thinking—this episode delivers real-deal wisdom on how to move forward, both inside and out.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

One of the best antidepressants you could ever do is physical movement. You preach on determination. You preach on, like, having it all together. But unfortunately, when you get busy in life, a lot of things tend to go on the back burner.

[A]

I was literally on the couch in a blanket, hiding from the world.

[B]

You age, your T levels get below a certain point and you lose that drive, you lose that motivation, you lose just who you are. You get frustrated with the world. Just all stress compiles.

[A]

What happened quickly for me, going through your programs and listening to you and your and your staff was my mind woke up. I became less angry.

[B]

We all have crap in our life for things that have happened. But when you're not healthy, you're eating bad, and you're not sleeping, it magnifies it tenfold.

[A]

What's up, everybody? I'm here today with my good friend Jeff Delaney. He's a founder of T Clinic in New Viva. And a lot of times I've spoken over the last year about my journey with. With getting back in shape, being healthy mentally and physically, and how it's done tremendous things for my show and my business side of it. And, you know, so today I have Jeff Delaney on and, man, I'm just so happy to have you on the show finally. And, bro, you've changed my life. And I just want to thank you, man.

[B]

Listen, you know, that's the least I could do. That's kind of why I do. What I do is to just try to hopefully make a positive impact and more than just my close fear of people. So, like, seeing a friend actually kind of get back on track and, you know, I'm excited. Just thanks for having me first off, because your show is crushing it, man. Like, you're doing so good, it's a blur. But listen, you know, it's. It's. But I see you, you're just pushing it further and better and just, just. I'm excited to see where this thing keeps going.

[A]

Dude, you and me both, man. I was just sitting here and we had this conversation yesterday on the phone. It's like pushing it so much. It can get. You can start to go backwards a little bit because it's like, you know, when you get so busy and you're constantly filming, constantly doing something, and, you know, the other side of it does tend to suffer. You know, like the five days in the gym turned to two days, maybe to three days, and it's just super inconsistent. So the one thing that I love about your businesses, New Viva and even T clinics is the. The community portion. It's the. It's the accountability and the things that I get to do on a weekly basis going in there, which I said off air, I need to get back in there. You need to do that. Like, I'm committing to it, but.

[B]

Well, I'm excited, listen, not just for that, but to get sean to the 3.0. I always, like, look forward to that portion, but. And we' talk about that, but.

[A]

Yeah, you know, but that's the thing, dude. It's like you've. You've taken me and. Because people, you know, listen, I had this show on discipline and determination, right? And I've said it a thousand times, but never with you, you know, in front of the microphone. Like, I had this brand that I was selling, which is determination and discipline, like I said, but the only place I was displaying that was in the show. It was I looked a fat mess. And I'm not saying that you have to be in great shape in order to be successful, but for me, my mental was strong. I mean, there was. There was moments that I couldn't get off the couch unless I was filming. And it's so funny. And I don't know if I've told you this story yet, but it. It's about you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And.

[B]

Oh, it's about you.

[A]

And I remember being at John Huffman's event and I saw you from the corner of the room and I didn't say anything to you because I was too embarrassed to talk to you because of the way I looked and the way my mind was at that time. I was so withdrawn and even scared to talk to people that I knew. And then you grabbed your lunch and you came up and you're like, hey, what's up? And then that's when it started.

[B]

Yeah, Well, I think a lot of people, like, obviously, if you know me, I'm, I'm the, I'm the last person to judge someone and just to kind of give you some grace too, on what you just said, you know, prior to that is like, you know, you, you preach on determination. You, you preach on like having it all together. But unfortunately, when you're get busy in life, a lot of things tend to go on the back burner. And it's like you kind of, it's, you're never going to have perfect harmony or balance. Like, they're never that when you're trying to really focus on something or grow something. So you just got to find like, where can you get some consistency. And like I said, if, if your exercise or your training, you know, because things are so busy, go to the back burner. You, you just tweak the plan. You adjust it so you're, you gotta still put in some effort and some work. But it's, it's common. You're not the only person, trust me. I, I'm in this business, I've been in this business forever. I've done this my whole life. And there are seasons where my stuff goes to the back burner. So I, I just. And you know, and that's something we need to talk about is this. You restructure that plan so it fits your life and fits your current schedule. And then once you get past that season, you readjust per, like how much you could put into it. So you just find a little bit of balance. Even though there's never going to be 100% balance.

[A]

The thing that, that suffers for me, and that's what I really want you to dive into. For the men listening and for even women listening and watching to help their husbands or their, their young sons, Maybe in their 20s, 30s, is the thing that really went south for me, is my mental state. Dude, again, I want to go back to those moments where I was literally on the couch in a blanket, hiding from the world. And the only time that I was present was on camera because I was so distraught. I was an emotional wreck. And what happened quickly for me, going through your programs and listening to you and your staff was I changed my nutrition. I started getting the treatments, I started getting consistent with my TRT replacement therapy. I started doing those GLP1s and I do want to touch on those today because those aren't a pangea. They're not a cure all. You gotta. You gotta work while you're on them. But the moment I started implementing that routine, my mind woke up. I became less angry. I. And I'm sure because you we've been friends for a long time. My show used to have a lot of fillers in there called the F word, right. And a lot of anger coming through. And then once I was on week one, that started to go to. I can remember the last show that was riddled with cursors and that was the Joe Pavage episode. And then shortly after that, it started just to go like this in a good way, where I was being more articulate, I was having better conversation. I didn't need those words to express how I felt. And you were a big part of that.

[B]

I appreciate that.

[A]

Yeah, man.

[B]

Well, you know, I think one of the biggest things for both men and women, more so men, you know, we get past a certain age and I think hormones is probably the biggest anchor in the water for a lot of people is like, you know, you age, your T levels get below a certain point and you lose that drive, you lose that motivation, you lose just who you are. You kind of, you know, things bother you more. You get frustrated with the world. Just all stress compiles tenfold when your hormones aren't right. Now there's a flip side of that. You know, obviously taking too much or yeah, you know, not being dosed properly, you could create some other problems as well. But true hormone therapy or I always say, you know, hormone balancing, when you get that right, especially for a guy like that, kind of halts the deterioration process. How we are physically, mentally, emotionally, it's just. It has such a positive cascade effect in people's lives to get your hormones balanced. And like you said, you probably were tired, lethargic, frustrated world things bother you that probably would have never bothered you before. And it's like, that's probably one of the biggest anchors I think for guys is, is getting that done right. Because once again, you've got done hormone therapy. Sometimes therapy done wrong, it's good for the short haul. And I always kind of use car analogies. It's like when you redline a car, it's fine, but eventually things start to break. And so that's kind of like where no matter where you go or if you ever get hormone therapy, just make sure they're. They're being specific to you because that's where it gets better as you age versus good for the front end. And then kind of things start falling apart if you're not managing it appropriately or dosing it appropriately. So, you know, I think for you that was one thing that just needed to be tweaked was get your hormones back in line and you see just your mental state, how you are emotionally starts fixing then kind of as a cascade of that is you get motivated to get back to do the things you want to do. I think a lot of guys, when their hormones are off, they put in the work or they try to put in the work, they go to the gym, they exercise, but they get very little ROI because the hormones are tanked. And it's like, you're like, well, shoot, I'm putting in the work. I'm doing A, B and C and I'm not seeing anything come from it. And. And that's kind of where a lot of guys get frustrated and they're just like, effort.

[A]

And, you know, I think there's a lot of noise too, right? There's a lot of noise on the Internet. There's a lot of. Every single fitness coach you talk to, every single clinic you talk to has a different, I guess, viewpoint on what proper nutrition is, right? Like, I remember when I was going carnivore for so long, I felt the best. But then someone's like, well, you need at least. Your brain needs at least 120 grams of carbohydrates a day to even function. Like you're killing your brain and that's why you're getting sick. And I'm not saying that's wrong, right? But for me, the best I've ever felt in my life was when I was the modified carnivore, right? I was doing a ton of protein and I was doing fruits and I felt amazing. But there's so much noise. I mean, there's men listening right now. They don't know what to do because it seems so big, right? Because they look at that where they're at right now, and they want to go straight forward to that end goal. Like that, that Sean 3.0 or that, that. That Jeffrey 3.0, whatever, whatever their name is, they Want to go straight to that. And they have to understand that, look, this is a process and you need to go on small wins, you need to have the right meal, then you need to go to the gym and then you need to have another good meal and stack these wins. And then all of a sudden at the end of the week you're like, oh my God, I'm down five pounds. This is fantastic. Now I keep it going. But like, what would you say to the man that is just so confused right now? It may not have the support available like a noviva or T clinic, someone that they trust, because I think that's a big thing. But the other side of it is too. There's a lot of monetary restrictions for, for men and women in this world right now. What would you say to them to be like, hey, this is where you start. If you can't do all this, this is what you should do?

[B]

Honestly, that's a great point. I think first off, with the world we live and you just said, you know, there's information overload and I think a lot of people tend now it's like, all right, well this guy's telling me to do this. This person's saying, going carnivore. This person says, go keto. This person says, I have to have 120 grams of carbs. People get paralysis by analysis and I feel bad for a lot of the people. Find a resource of information first off that's pretty consistent and accurate because unfortunately there's a lot of inaccurate information out there, especially through social media. And then going into what you were talking about, I hate when somebody goes all in overnight. I'm not a big F of that. Like, I like, let's, let's look at the food. You know, and for me I always say 80% is nutrition. I mean that's going to change your life drastically, right? So let's try to get a little bit better with the food. Let's maybe move a little bit because if you go all in, it'll never stick. It's never going to be a lifestyle change or a habit. So you know, I like to just almost like I use analogy, like put the frog in the water, let's just turn up the heat over time and, and then you end up picking up those proper habits. You're, you know, eat a little bit better, you start stacking those small little wins and those little wins over time is going to be a big ass win.

[A]

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[B]

And just most people don't have, you know, I, I always, I, I used to see it all the time. Clients would go like it's the new year, I'm gonna go up new year, new me. And they go from zero to 60. They freaking go from eating like complete crap to like something super, super strict. And they go to the gym and they're putting in five or six days a week and they get results. But then eventually, sometimes going too hard works against you. Metabolically, they get stuck and then they're putting in the work, they're not seeing the roi. And then what happens? They have a break, they give up. And all of a sudden next, you know, they're in a worse off position. It's almost, they, you know, they rebound harder. They metabolically, they mess up their metabolism. So you know, if you're looking to get started, start by you know, getting consistent with your food. You know, one of the best things you can do is just make sure you have a minimum breakfast, lunch and dinner and we'll talk. Because some people could do three meals, three snacks. Some people could do three meals a day. Some people say I want to intermittent fast, which there's depending on the person in the place, you know there's a place for it. But just get consistent with meals. Try to start cleaning up some of your food. You know, I always say every meal should have a little bit of protein. That should be a staple of your diet. That's going to maintain muscle. It's going to help you kind of Body composition change and start just with a little bit of tweaks. Maybe get away from some processed food to more whole foods. Good. Now let's go. Okay, what can you do per week? You know, if you want to do, you know, strength training, maybe we're going to do three days a week and just build your schedule. That, get that, that, that traction, get that snowball going and then as you feel better, you function better, you, you know, then you start adding a little bit. But I would rather you do it over time to where it's, it's not so drastically different than what you're going to do. And make sure it fits your schedule because if it doesn't fit your schedule, there's no way in hell you're going to keep doing it.

[A]

Dude, it's true, man. And, and the one thing like, and, and I think men and, and just women, humans in general can relate to this as your schedule gets busier. Because I'm experiencing this. Like there's moments where I like, I haven't had enough protein today and it's almost noon, right? I'll go home, I'll do a protein shake, hit to the gym, right? And then, and then after that I'm like, oh gosh, like you know, so what happens is when, when I'm under fed the whole day, you know what happens at night, right? Like I, dude, all I want is chocolate. Like all I want is cookies. And I'm starting to fall back into that. I had like one and a half cookies last night and for you guys. Oh, one and a half cookies is bad. No, I'm talking crave cookies. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna be real.

[B]

Like I had 700 calorie dense cookie.

[A]

Yeah, dude, I mean like it was a good ass cookie. But like I woke up this morning and even though I slept, you'll be proud of me. I went to bed at 8:30 last night, I woke up at 6:30. I had like almost 10 hours of sleep, but I'm still not feeling good because of what I put in my body afterwards. So like, I just, I really want to focus on that too is like how can we get those cravings to subside in the evening time.

[B]

One of the best and easiest things you could do is never let yourself get to the effort point when it comes to hunger. And that's the big problem. That's when you know, most people over the years would come in and they're not eating all day. They got busy in life, kids, work, school, and they started missing meals and Then what happens is you get to the evening time, you're so hungry, your willpower goes out the window. I don't care. Listen, if I did that, it's a decision.

[A]

We've talked about this before.

[B]

So you know, don't ever let yourself get to the hunger effort point. And that's, you know, the easiest way to break that is have consistent meals. Now you're gonna say, well I'm busy, I got this going on. You almost have to plan, you at least plan your day. Have quick, fast little things that you could take with you. A protein shake, a protein bar, you know, it just have something on hand. So you worst case, if it's something quick, it's something is better than nothing. Plus, metabolically, you know, a lot of people I think over the years have fell into like intermittent fasting and they turned intermittent fasting into like I'm not gonn all day because that's what I'm already doing. And then they crush food. And there's so many disadvantages to that. So you know, I'm of the thought like small, frequent meals if you can, you know, just basic breakfast, lunch and dinner. Make sure you have a good high protein at breakfast, which will set your day to be in a good spot. Most people could at least someone get a breakfast going, you know, try to have something that if you're busy, have something quick fast midday. But never let yourself get to the hunger effort point. Yeah is number one, you know, whether you're having carbohydrates or no carbohydrates, you know that I think that for a lot of people, the more carbs you eat, you tend to want more carbohydrates. You know, to go back to what you were saying too is like, oh, you should, you gotta have some carbohydrates. We could live without carbohydrates. I prefer like more ketogenic slash carnivore. I just think a lot of people depend on your overall goal. If you're a high level athlete, you probably need carbohydrates. But if you're the average person living like probably one of the best things you could do is keep your, your carbohydrates low, your simple sugars low. You know, there's data after data and studies that, that support that all day long. I, I wouldn't eat that way if I didn't feel that that was probably one of the best ways as far as keeping your overall carbohydrates simple. Now there's a time and a place where I Love, Sprinkle them in. And we did it with you is even if you're going low carbohydrates, I'm. I am really big into bookend the workout time with some carbs. So you could actually rep kind of support what you did in the gym. But outside of that, you could live without carbohydrates. You can't live without, you know, certain things.

[A]

But.

[B]

Yeah, well, you can just.

[A]

That's the thing, dude. And. And I think it's different probably for everybody, but I was thriving on that plan. Like, I. Dude, I felt very energetic and, you know, it was high protein, high fats.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was just every morning I was just waking up leaner and leaner and leaner, and it's hard to just switch to your point and go all back in. So for me right now, like, you know, I did have some bread this morning and had some eggs, you know, so for me, it's like super important to. To start going, okay, high protein, high protein the rest of the day, to get back onto that track. Because, you know, all I know is if I do it for, like, three days, I automatically tighten up now because there's that baseline.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But for the man listening that doesn't have that baseline now, it takes. They need little, like, I always call like, the blowing up the balloon. Right. Little. Little pieces of motivation and drive, because we know motivation is going to fade, and then the discipline and determination has to push you through. But, like, I keep thinking back to when I started. The hardest thing for me was to go to the gym looking and feeling the way I did. Yeah. No one's looking at you. No one cares.

[B]

Yeah. They got more shit going on.

[A]

Yeah, people have more. They're caught up in their own shit, Trust me. But, like, just going and doing it and not worrying about how you feel, like, the next day you're going to feel better. I don't know where I'm going with this, but I just feel like those things need to be said. Because even though, I mean, I'm probably up 10, maybe 15, but if I go to the gym, I still feel strong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like, I feel much stronger, but at the same time, I still struggle with. Man, I just don't look and feel the way I did. I have. You know, you just. You see my point, right? It's like I got to get back on track.

[B]

Yeah. I think, you know, kind of to touch on that, too, is one of the best antidepressants you could ever do is physical movement. And once again, like, it's, it's funny how I see a lot of things now are coming to the market. I mean, I've been In this space 25 years and, and more from a medical standpoint. 20 years and like. But there is no better thing you could do for your mental health than just move. Even if it's something so simple as taking a walk for the day. Don't tell me you don't feel better after you do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, you know, I think that's a thing. You know, I always say the four pillars, you know, when it comes to just overall, like health across the board. Your sleep, which is a game changer if you could do it. I actually used to. That was one of the pillars I lacked on for years. Just because I was grinding, I'm building businesses and like, looking back, I would have prioritized sleep better just because that's, you know, our body fixes the damage we caused during the day. Hormones, everything across the board. If you're sleeping like crap, your, your life's gonna suck the next day. On, on all levels, your nutrition, eating a little better. I'm not saying eating chicken and broccoli, but like having, you know, a stable of protein with the meals, you could fill it with the macronutrients. Plus if you do that, you have less of the other stuff you probably shouldn't have. You know, your nutrition obviously is a big one. I would say that's 80% when it comes to aesthetics or body composition. You know, as far as physical movement, you know, that's going to be just, just getting active three days a week. I mean, personally I try to do something every day even if I don't have time. I'll try to do like a 10 minute, you know, like you could do burpees or something just to move. Yeah, you'll feel better about the little bit of activity you did for the day. And then last is mental health, you know, and that's a big one that, you know, depends on what you got going on in your life, previous, you know, situations in your life. But a lot of times if you get feeling better about you, yourself, your body composition, you're gonna be okay, you know, and, and there's a lot of that I think weighs into a lot of the mental health side. Like you there. We all have going on, we all have crap in our life or things that have happened. But when you're not healthy, you're eating bad and you're not sleeping, it magnifies it tenfold.

[A]

Yeah, you know, it's interesting. And I, I don't, I don't think you've read the book. You may have. She wrote this book, newer book called excuse me, Notes on Being a Man. And what he really talks about is, you know, his early stages of being a father of two boys and in going through things and he just talks about how men these days in the way society is, it's, it's. Men are not being, I don't want to misquote him, but it's harder to be a man. Right. And then when a man doesn't have relationship, like a woman cannot have a relationship. Like he saw a clip with him talking on the View. Like he, A woman can have a cat and she's fine. Yeah, she's fine. She can go dive into the relationships with her friends. But a man needs a relationship because without relationship, men start turning to other vices like porn being withdrawn on technology, diving into conspiracy theories. And we see that, you know, and that's never, it's never good. What are your thoughts on, you know, how your business and your, your, your overall plans can help men with that problem?

[B]

I, you know, I think it's. One goes back to, you know, them from a system standpoint. You know, hormones being balanced just kind of doesn't let a lot, a lot of that other stuff compile. Having some, some discipline in what they do, have a support system behind them. Like, guys, we need positive reinforcement or positive affirmations. And you know, I feel like if you don't have, you know, any type of, like whether it's a relationship with your buddy or your wife or a girlfriend or, you know, it's like we need kind of to have that positive like interaction with people. And without it, like you said, like, we tend to, we kind of go in our little hole, we kind of become a hermit. And next, you know, you're addicted to other things or you just, your, your attention span goes to things that you probably shouldn't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Focus on. So, you know, I feel like for us it's, you know, we look at, it's going back to your self image and, and how you feel about yourself. And then ultimately if you could get back to where you feel yourself, obviously hormone wise, you feel like a man. You know, it sucks though, because like a lot of times in the world we live today, they, you know, regular masculinity has been coined as toxic masculinity.

[A]

Let's go there.

[B]

And so, you know, I think a lot of guys, like a man's, man's considered toxic now. Which is so not now you have the toxic masculinity, but it's not even close to what people coined toxic masculinity as today. So, you know, I kind of had that shirt, Toxic masculinity.

[A]

My favorite one, by the way.

[B]

Yeah, I actually got a new one coming out, so I got you on that. So, you know, but it's hard because like, you know, guys of our past, you know, like back then, like they were the provider and the father and the husband and like, you know, just, just overall was, were a good male. And now it's like, you know, you have women like coining that as toxic or groups coining that as toxic. So it's just, you know, it's sad but you know, just getting us, our, ourselves back to, to just being the provider and the leader and you know, just, just.

[A]

Well, he talks about that too. Yeah, he talks about that. Like it even goes into saying that, you know, since the 1980s, men through 20 years old to 24 year olds, unemployment and lack of, you know, college education has tripled. Yeah, it's tripled. And like he also goes in to say, and I want your, yeah, I want your take on this. If the man is not okay, the family struggles. Oh yeah, the kids. I believe that. And like, I'm, I'm sorry. Like when I struggle, it's not good for my wife. It's not good for my three beautiful children.

[B]

Yep, I agree. 110. You know, I feel like, you know, we're supposed to be kind of leading, providing, setting the example, you know, obviously fathering our kids a certain way. You know, I think feel like when guys are not even good themselves, it. They tend to not be in a good example for the kids or they just get less involved with the kids as a husband, I feel like once again, if they're turning to other things because they're, you know, self. How do you want to say it? I don't know why I'm drawing a blank on it, like medicating like as far as, like their, their personal self image, you know, and it's like now they're not being that, that, that husband and that man of the house to be able to lead the house and, and kind of keep things, you know, in check.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so it, it definitely compiles on the marriage and the kids and it's just. But once again it's, it goes back to the guy not feeling good about himself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you don't have to be, you know, sick pack abs and you know, just Crushing weights and, you know, it just. But. But I think, you know, getting back to the fundamentals of being a man and a father and a husband is almost a must. And if not, you definitely will. It's probably going to end up in a broken marriage or a divorce. You're not going to have a good relationship with your kids because you put a lot of stuff on the back burner because you just don't. You end up not feeling good enough to do the other stuff you should be doing.

[A]

But I just. I'm glad we're talking about this, because when I think of what he was saying about if the man's not okay, the family's not okay. And there's groups like you said, that are. That are really vocal in combating that. I don't need a man. I don't need a man to do this for me. I can do it myself, which they absolutely can. I'm not saying that, but, you know, I think in a family environment, it is super important to get back to the roots of the family structure. And when I'm okay, I can handle extra activities, I can handle extra asks. When I'm not okay, I melt down.

[B]

And sometimes the way you react to that.

[A]

React is the right word to.

[B]

To the wife or to the kids.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And then that's just. Those are like, little things that cause damage to. To that family environment, that family relationship as you. As you age, you know, not for nothing, man, as a man, if I'm not doing that stuff, I feel less of a man, you know, and that compiles on you as far as, you.

[A]

Know, like, dude, that's a great point, because I've been really working on my training schedule. I really don't want to go at 4am anymore because I don't have to, you know, But I'm still caught in this weird quandary, like if I don't go at 4am or 5am or whatever it is, I normally go.

[B]

Schedule takes over.

[A]

My schedule takes over. Or if I don't, I guilt myself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I'm like, okay, well, now I got to go and I got to fit in this workout. Also get dinner prepped also because we have my daughter's kid strong tonight that I know I'm going to. All these things stack up, and it's just almost like, oh, my God. It's really pointed. Like, dude, you're just not prepared right now. This is all on you.

[B]

And this is. I mean, that's probably a big problem. Why guys try to put an unrealistic plan to their schedule. And then when they don't hit it, they almost beat themselves up and that makes things worse. So, you know, I kind of, what I talked to you about the other day is like, I love catching up and it's hard because I don't get to see a lot of clients. Obviously you're my friends, so we're going to dive in a little bit deep. But you kind of just, you need to look at your schedule. You need to see where, where it can happen and where it can't happen. And then you once, you know, like, all right, per two days a week or three days a week or five days a week, like where your gaps are that you know are going to be pretty consistent because you, you should have somewhat consistency obviously with the family and kids. Sometimes the kids stuff takes over and so you're, there's going to be times you have to drop, but figure what that basic looks like and then how can I optimize that basic time that I could put in and let it fit your time and your schedule? I do a lot of circuit work, so my workouts are 25 minutes. Luckily lately I used to go at 4am and over the last probably 8 weeks, I was still taking my son to the gym and working out with him. And now I'm kind of at a point where I don't want to push him because sometimes kids push back. But I was like, if you want, I'll work out with you. And it's not as hard as I'd work out, but I'm getting that family time, that father son time. But I'm also killing two birds with one stone. So like now I have him working out with me. We're kind of bonding and doing our thing and, and I'm able to make it fit versus getting up at 4am and then if I didn't get up because you know, I, and I have such a short period of time in the morning, then I'd beat myself up about not being able to go. And then I was taking him, but I still wasn't training. So like, you know, just find what your schedule looks like and it's going to be, it's gonna, it's gonna move as you're going like you're gonna be in a season right now. You're, you're crushing it on the, on the, as a father, as a husband, as, as Sean French, you know, it's like, let's, let's find out where it could always happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we'll change that in a month.

[A]

And then yeah, it's, it's funny because like I didn't mean to, I didn't mean to interrupt but like for me, I always go back to. I don't have to go at 5 in the morning, but it's probably best that I do because if I don't, the day takes over.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

A phone call could happen, something last minute that can frustrate me and then I'm stuck putting out a fire and then it's like I don't have any right. You know, what am I going to do? Live for, you know, it's 15 minutes away. That's a half an hour out of my day. So like there's a lot of games that I can play with myself later on in the day, whereas I really can't do that. I know if I go at 5, La opens at 5, I can live from 5 to 5:45, be back at the house by 6 and then I can help get the kids ready and then I'm refreshed. Right. But you know, it's just getting back into that. I don't have to. I can technically go when I want, but is that going to serve me the best? And I think that's something for each individual and I'm starting to understand that it actually might serve me better because it's going to force me to eat better, it's going to force me to get good sleep. I'm up at 4, I'm out the door by 4. 45.

[B]

And it's done.

[A]

And it's done.

[B]

That's what I liked about it. But yeah, you know, I've kind of, if it wasn't for my son, I would just, I would go early because if not, my schedule is going to take over.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Plus you, you kind of. There's something to be said, man. Me going physically doing something in the morning, my day goes so much better. Oh hell yeah it does, dude. Crush 10 times more things than I would do if I just try to roll into a regular day.

[A]

Yeah, you're productive. You're rolling D, dude. One of the biggest things dude, I want to get into is I, I think there was a big component of GLP1s in my treatment that were very, very successful. But I also want to touch on that because a lot of people think, okay, I'm just going to take these GLP ones, these Ozempics, that's her Zepatides, whatever it is, and that's it. What can happen to somebody if they just take it and they don't work out, they don't eat well. What are some of the dangers?

[B]

So I'll tell you man, with GLP1s, it's crazy where that world's gone. You know a big farmer brought that to the market. It was you know semaglutide or Zempic or Wegovy was you know brought originally for type 2 diabetes. There's GLP ones have been around forever like you have way back in 2014, 15 Liraglutide, Dulaglutide there you could go back to even further before that they just not, not any one GLP had the results that Ozempic did. And what happened? So Ozempic, you know came to the market, they were going through their 60 some week trial and you know people lost a crap ton of weight. I mean it was crazy amount. So like they're looking at this like holy cow, like you know what's going on here? Why is this one producing? Well GLP1 slow down gastric emptying so you, you know you end up kind of food doesn't move through your stomach as quick. So it does control your appetite. It occupies the GLP1 receptors in the brain. And there's a lot of studies even for like the addictive portion of your brain what GLP1s can do. And they saw quite a bit of that with Semaglutide which is Ozempic or Wegovy. Wegovy's just class for weight loss and that's kind of what how they after they saw we were using it for diabetes but now there's a market for weight loss they just renamed it. Right, but, but that GLP1 had such a pronounced effect on like gastric emptying, gastric slowdown. People were not feeling as hungry, they were satiated early in a meal. And so a lot of those people lost a lot of weight. But the problem, and I always say with the GLP ones of poisons in the portion because a lot of people have taken diabetic dosing and lost a crap ton of weight. But all they did different, it was basically they were on a starvation diet. It got em to the point where they didn't think about food they didn't eat, it just enabled them to starve and you know, hence the Ozempic phase and those epic butt because it's muscle loss, it's not from that particular thing but it allowed them to starve and that starvation created those problems. And you know unfortunately I'm having to clean it up now over the years because, you know, they've progressed from semaglutide Tertirazepatide, which is partially GLP1 with the gastro inhibitory peptide just helps the pancreas better. And then you have, you know, soon to be out on the market. Stage two right now is reticutide. And a lot of people keep classing that as like it's going to be better. I'm actually going to do a breakdown video to show like it's not that it's better. There's. Each one has their own little properties and it depends on the person and how you apply it. Unfortunately, the world's just been taking diabetic dose, one shot a week, scale it, double it after a month. And what's happened is people have starved a lot of weight off and they're metabolically damaged. No different if they did it without a glp. It just made it a lot easier for them to do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so they're malnourished, they lost a lot of muscle tissue. The metabolism's in the dirt now. What happens when they stop taking it? What happens when they start eating food? And I'm already seeing it like, like people are rebounding and gaining a lot of weight because they didn't focus on nutrition. They didn't have the foundation set right. Nor even if they did, per the way they were dosed, they probably wouldn't have stuck. They would have just not ate. And so the poisoning's definitely in the portion with that. I think they're amazing. So they are peptides. They're, you know, peptides are chains of aminos or sequence aminos that initiate response in the body to happen that sometimes don't happen as we age, medical condition, lifestyle. And so with a lot of those, you know, those peptides, they, that helps the pancreas, it helps carbohydrate metabolism because it was meant for diabetes. It fixes A1C and insulin resistance. But by taking too much, a lot of people in the world have been able to just starve. Yeah, done right. You know, and I, I'd like to think we probably have applied it the best way over the years. I mean, I used to use dulagutide and liriglutide wasn't nowhere near close to, you know, semaglutide or tirzepatite. But you know, it does quiet the food noise drastically. It definitely kind of kills the addiction portion of the brain. So like people that are having like addictions to certain things outside of just food get better. But it's allowed me to give people the dietary discipline to, to a plan. And ultimately the vehicle is going to be the food. It's forever going to be the food. If you think it's anything else, like you're going to be in a bad position. But it's allowed me to get people to actually adhere to a plan. And so we adjust it very specific to the person, but the poison is in the portion with that stuff. And I think that's why the world gravitated to it, because I could take a shot and I'm not going to eat, I'm not hungry. And I stopped doing all this stuff that was causing me to be overweight. But taken too much or done wrong without the proper vehicle. You'll see some results, you're going to feel better, but you're going to probably have some issues. And I know you were asking about the people just to go to that you should be screened, you should make sure you don't have. There's certain things medically that you should be checked up. Now I'm seeing like, you know, tanning salon selling semaglutide and it's all over the Internet, you know, so it just be cautious, you know. I think the biggest thing with that is the application has to be done a certain way. And if done right, I'm gonna say this, and I hate medications. Probably one of the most remarkable things for me to allow someone to stick to a plan. I've used over the years, low dose phentermine and it would quiet the food noise and it actually control their appetite. But this one's working so differently and you're fixing a lot of things like insulin resistance, you know, the, you know, metabolic, how things are processed, lipid metabolism, you know, it's allowed me to do things much, much faster and, and hopefully get people to that end goal and then teach them how to reverse out of that the right way.

[A]

I just think thank you for that and thank you for educating the audience because for me it was more about, you know, really diving into how to properly, properly utilize these in your, in your plan, your day to day. Because a lot of people are just taking that as the, the cure all shot. And they're not lift, they're not lifting. Like you said, ozempa fates, they're zip egg butt. You know, I think I have ozempic ass.

[B]

I call that nas at all.

[A]

More squats. Yeah, but, but the thing is like it deteriorates your muscle because if you're starving, your muscle is going to liquefy it's gone. Yeah. Right. So you may be losing muscle, but it's, It's. I mean, fat. You're losing weight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you're skinny fat at that point. So what's the difference? You're still not confident in a bathing suit on that vacation with your family. And that is a big part of men's mental health too, is. And even women. And I want to touch on women real quick. But, but feeling confident, feeling lean, have good body composition. What's the point of losing all the weight if you're losing your muscle too? Right. Something big happened recently. The FDA is removing all warning labels for women's hormone replacement therapy. What is that? What is your thought process on that?

[B]

You know, I'm, I'm a proponent. I, I love hormone therapy for men or women when it's needed. Number two, done specifically, guys are pretty simple. We can manage. Guys manage the testosterone manager, and we're simple more ways than.

[A]

Women are much more complicated with their. Yeah.

[B]

And so, you know, I've seen the boom over the last probably five years in the space that I'm, you know, a lot of people are starting to offer female hormone therapy, and I think it's amazing. You know, usually women early in life, sometimes they need just little progesterone in the 40s, maybe some testosterone progesterone after, you know, postmenopausal, probably all three with estrogen. But with that, you have to be super careful because you got to worry about cervical cancer, uterine cancer, breast cancer. And unfortunately, it's not just like a guy, like, take some tests and you're better.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, there's byproduct that needs to be managed, and if not managed right, it opens up the door to some issues. But that study, you know, I think a lot of females have been worried, and most providers have put it out there over the years that, like, no, you don't want to touch hormones because, you know, breast cancer, you know, ovarian cancer, there's so many issues linked with. It was one flawed study from a long time ago. You not managing your hormones is worse than you managing them and keeping them homeostatic. And so, you know, I think it's. It's a step in the right direction. I still think for females, like, that's a special skill set, and it has to be super precise if you really want to get the good and mitigate some of the bad. That's something that females definitely make sure the provider is well trained, because it's not. Just take this and here we go, it's take this and then other things adjust. So you need to treat it all the way down the line. So I do always put that caution. They're done wrong, could create problems.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, you know, I, I, but I, but I do think it's a step in the right direction. I think that them removing that is, is, is great. Should have been a long time ago.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I'm seeing it all over the, the, you know, social media apps, like, you know, people are speaking out about it, saying, well, this is actually good. Like, this is going to help women. It's going to help, you know, postmenopausal. It's going to help a lot of different things to. Whereas before it was kind of demonized for them, I believe. Believe.

[B]

Yeah. No. So I, I think there was, once again, they put it as like, this is a big no, no. Most providers would never even touch it. You know, even over the last, I would say five years, you know, if you got maybe your obgyn. Obgyn, that would understand it and was willing to kind of go outside the normal box and start treating it. But no, like, you know, once again, it goes back to keeping yourself homeostatic for females when things are off, especially just, even at an early age. I see a lot of females, like in their 30s, progesterone's off, they got anxiety, they're not sleep good. Testosterone. Women need testosterone too, just for their drive, how they function, sex drive, mental clarity. Same things that we need testosterone for. Just making sure they don't need as much as we take.

[A]

Yeah. You know, you don't want to do that.

[B]

Yeah. So. And then estrogen, you know, I think that's a big one where a lot of people get scared because, like, you know, they're like, oh, you shouldn't take this because your estrogen is going to be off and that's going to create cervical cancer, uterine cancer, breast cancer. It's once again, not if you do or don't need it. It's what do you specifically need? And getting things, once again, homeostatic. That's the recipe for longevity and health.

[A]

I agree with that because I can remember, you know, like, even, you know, my wife would get blood work done and like, oh, no, you're fine. And she goes, well, I don't feel fine, you know, so, like, there was a lot of providers that are like, I'm not treating you like you're fine. Your blood works great. She goes, why am I so tired? Why am I going through this? Why am I going through that, you know, and it's like, like, like, listen, women need the homeostasis too. They need to be treated.

[B]

Yeah, no, I say that's the biggest anchor. Guys, women or men, no different. If hormones are off, it's probably the biggest anchor in the water to how you feel, how you function, how you sleep, the results that you get. So, you know, I think it's nice that there's people are starting to pay attention. You know, it sucks because a lot of the providers were never taught that. They, they got a small, little bit of endocrinology in college and then whatever their specialty was, they just kind of stayed in that path. And then even endocrinology, you have a lot of them that understand it did it, but they were not taught. That's treat it specifically. And so, or a lot of times insurance won't cover it, they won't touch it. I mean, for a guy, if you come in and you're at 299 on your testosterone and just, we'll just use a reference range of quests. If it goes 250, 1100s, normal, they're going to look at you and be like, Sean, you're fine, you're okay, you're normal. But that's.

[A]

So they did that to me. Yeah, they did that to me. I mean like my internal medicine doctor's like, oh, you're at 250, you're fine. I'm like, jeff, yeah. Like, is this good? And you're like, bro, get in.

[B]

I see it all the time. But unfortunately, like with insurance, they're not going to touch it unless you're clinically deficient. Well, there you were having symptoms and issues well before you were clinically deficient. Most guys, I'll tell you, I very rarely do I see guys in that are like sub 250 on a testosterone. But it's, you know, there's kind of certain markers where you could tell like this guy' and it's not always just a lot of guys think with testosterone it's sex. My sex driver, my erectile function. Like that's such a small piece of. It's your mental clarity, your motivation, your just your sleep, everything. It literally once again, it's this thing. We're kind of like a old school wood wagon wheel. And if one piece along that wheel is chipped, we're riding like shit. And so it's like, like, you know, making sure you're kind of even in that wheel out across the board. Not just testosterone or not just growth hormone peptides, or not just sleep.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's kind of like a.

[A]

It's a.

[B]

It's a complete wheel.

[A]

I had my buddy on. I'm gonna say it because, like, we talked about on my show, so I know it's safe. Larry Hagner, Dad Edge podcast. Awesome dude, man. Like, amazing fatherhood platform. And he sat in that seat last week.

[B]

Week.

[A]

And he talked about his doctor calling him and said, you need to get in. Your blood work came in. We need to talk. He was scared. He's like, what the heck? He goes, your testosterone level's way too high. He goes, what is it? He goes, it's 900 and he's. He's 50. He goes, are you doing TRT? You need to stop. He goes, I've never taken TRT, so even doctors nowadays get a blood work from a man, and if their testosterone levels at 900, saying, that's not good, right? Like. Like, we gotta screen. We gotta. We gotta check you for cancer. It's like, what? It's like, dude. Yeah.

[B]

Well, you know, and it's. Unfortunately, they. You know, a lot of times they don't even look at symptoms or like, per. This. You know, how do I fix this? Or how do I put a medication on this versus, like, going to the root and working backwards. But, you know, I always look at it as, like, what is optimized, what is. What is ideal. You have normal markers, but where should it be? Where are you gonna feel your best? Where can I get you to be your best without creating other problems as well? And so. But most weren't. Aren't trained that way.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I wish I had an addie, you know, 950, 900. That'd be sweet.

[B]

I messed mine up a long time ago.

[A]

But that's just for.

[B]

For his range, though, or for his age. I mean, that's probably per. Whatever lab. It probably came up high. And yeah, it's. It's still okay if prostate's not, you know, you're not having any issues. There's no, you know, he's doing his annual prostate exam. PSA is normal if you're not seeing, like, crazy stuff happening, like blood thickness and blood volume. But once again, they don't just, oh, my God, what's going on?

[A]

To me, that's a win. Yeah. It's like, damn, 900 natural. That's great, man. Thanks for coming on, dude. It's been awesome having this conversation with you. I. I look forward to continuing my journey with you guys and, you know, getting you to. To Stay on my ass to turn into that three.

[B]

Well, I think we will regroup this week.

[A]

We need to.

[B]

Yeah, well, no, listen. You need to do that. You. Like, I'm gonna make you do that. So it's just whether you want to. Like, I'll still message you. Like. But no, like, it's. Let's just. You know, and I think a lot of guys don't reach out and. And they just. They don't ask for the help or they don't. They think it's fine, and I'll deal with it and I'll push through it, and I'm fine. But ultimately it's not fine. Yeah. So. But I try to simplify it. Let's. Let's break it down, and let's just make it f. It's consistent.

[A]

Yeah, I will. I will say this. Dude, I had somebody comment on one of my YouTube videos, man, and this is. This is kind of crazy. I never heard this before, but they said, looking at you, you look like just a normal gym bro with all the muscles. Then you opened your mouth, and I realized how smart you were. It's like, I've never had that before. I'm like, wow. Like, at first I was offended. Then I was like, wow, that's kind of a cool compliment, right? I'm like, is that what people perceive me as? And, you know, for the guy struggling, that's what I also want to bring it out to. Like. Like, right now, I'm not feeling my best, but there's probably a lot of people looking at me and going like, dude, you look good, and you're the goal. You're. You're somebody's goal, guys. You know what I mean? And what you have to understand is what matters is how you feel and what you can do to move yourself forward every single day. You need people in your life like Jeff that are going to help hold you accountable, know what you're capable of, and strategically get you there. Yeah, right. But also with some damn empathy because, like, I'd never felt out of place at any either one of your clinics. I'd never felt. Felt like I was being judged by anybody. It was always like this. Every time I would come in, it was like, damn, like, you even look different than you did last week. Like, what's going on? This is fantastic. It. It's a community. So for those of you that are, you know, listening to this show, man, throw a Google search t clinics, man. Like, check out my boy. They do. You do ship across the United States, right?

[B]

Yeah. So I Have certain clinics that are set up for out of, out of state. You know, that's kind of been a big thing over the years. There's a lot of telemedicine places. But you know, I think we still try to go specific to the person which a lot of them are just mills. But going back to what you said, just real quick, I want to highlight on that like you know, comparison will crush your happiness and run your own race. Yeah, let's set goals per you and let's tackle those goals and let's stack wins and ultimately you'll be surprised when you look back. It's just, you know, I, I think a lot of people just in the world we live, listen, I do it with like social media and you see other businesses and once I stop trying to compare myself to somebody else and I'm just gonna run my race and you know, what happens, happens.

[A]

I, yeah, that was like a big thing for me too. And I know we're running short on time but like I think I set my goal a little bit too egregiously.

[B]

Your expectations were high.

[A]

So high, dude.

[B]

Like, I mean, listen, it's nice to have those, those bhag goals, right? Big hairy, audacious goals. But you gotta set, I'm a big into like let's small mini goals. And if we start crushing those mini goals, like I said, they, it almost gets contagious and it compiles over time. It's like just if you said it one big ass goal, it's, you'll probably just might as well give up now.

[A]

Well, that's what was happening because like you were measuring me on a caliper at seven. Yeah. And then I would go to the DEXA and have my world freaking crushed. And so like that's one thing that I need help with you on. I want, I want you to help me reestablish a goal on a DEXA. Yeah, maybe it's 18, maybe it's 15.

[B]

You gotta remember, DEXA is always going to be to a decimal point. Everything like, you know, I'll tell people out there is like your measuring tool should just be a tool to track progress. Please just let it be a tool to track progress. You know, one of the most accurate would be a DEXA scan. But whether you use an impedance, a four point impedance, a two point impedance, a caliper, calipers only pinch in sub Q A and depending on where you hold it, it's going to read different. So I always say that's not like the End all, be all metric unless you are doing a Dexa. So Dexa, like, if you're going to do a Dexa, that's probably the best and work off that for a goal. But I think the world has been, especially with deckouts with Dexa, a lot of people like, oh, I'm like 6%. And you're. No, you're not.

[A]

No, you're not. No, you're 12 on a deck.

[B]

Right now I'm probably about a 12.

[A]

On the DEXA because last time I heard that you're maybe like a 10 or 11.

[B]

Yeah, I think the lowest I got now I did do a Dexa a couple years back before I got my own Dexa. Old machine not kept up to date. Had me at like a 5.9. I'm like, there's no way in hell. I was probably on my decks. I was probably maybe nine. And that was pretty lean. Yeah. But I was also like, my life was very. There was no balance, right?

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

There was no balance in that.

[A]

And that's the thing. Like this time around, like, I'm really going to need your support with. It's like, like, what's the right goal? Right? Like what? How do we manage that? Because I am the way I am. Like, I'm not going to come off of certain big hairy ass goals like you're talking about, but it's like really managing it to the point because I think that's where I fell off. It was like, okay, like, I'm never going to get the 12% on a DEXA. I'm. I'm just, I'm done worrying about it. I'm never doing one of these again. And in the meanwhile, meanwhile I'm wearing a large shirt and I still am, but I had train tracks running up and down my arm. I was vascular. And I'm pissed about adexa where you're, you know, and you're one of the most skilled because people say like calipers you got to watch out for, you know, because there's a lot of margin error. I'm like, not with this guy. Like, like every time we were doing it, you had to like, hold on, let me pinch again.

[B]

But this is where I would tell you too. Like, per this percentage, if you take it to a Dexa, you're going to probably the leaner you are. There's less variance from a caliper to a dexa. The large you are, especially depending on the calipers, the sights. Like I do a nine sight. When we do do one but there's a lot of room for error on that. But also once you get that caliper, that's not your true body fat. Like usually I always say even on a low, low end, you might add 5 or 6% to correlate it over to a Dexa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So like when you're like three, four on a, on a caliper, you know, and that's like super lean, nobody should get there unless you're like that's all you do on a day to day basis.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you know, like take me a three, you'll probably be at eight, nine. Right. But as you get larger, that might be a 7, 8, 9, 10 from a caliper to Dex, it was a larger variance.

[A]

Right. Because I was a seven. And I think it depends on where you hold it.

[B]

If I'm pinching you in areas that you don't hold a lot of body fat, only a couple of them came up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I could take the next guy who may be fatter in other areas that aren't getting calipered and he's going to caliber much, much lower, so. Or caliber much, much higher and look completely different. So once again, it's a measuring tool. No matter what tool you use, stay consistent with it and use that just as a gauge. But don't sit there and let that affect how you, how you go about your goals. I always look as like, let's look for the wins. Am I building muscle? Am I dropping body fat? And whatever device or tool we're going to use, let's stay consistent and work off that.

[A]

Yeah, it's a good point, man. Well, thank you you but we'll get, we'll, we'll get, we'll, we'll get this train back rolling ever for everybody. Check out my boy Jeff T Clinics new Viva weight Loss. If you have any questions on how to optimize your hormones or even be homeostatic with your hormones, drop them a phone call. And until next time, guys, stay determined.