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Netflix: Black Rabbit with Chris Coy
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A
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B
It's exhilarating. It's highly propulsive. An action thriller. There's a bag of money and a gun. Who's gonna get it? And then there are other really, really nuanced and beautiful moments where it is a family drama. It's really highly relatable content. Zach Balin and Kate Sussman are the two creators of the show and really intelligent of them to make this show that's really fun to watch. Dark, good guys, bad guys, that sort of. But threaded through all of that is this sort of emotional turmoil and this family dynamic that so many of us know all too well, even if we never talk about it.
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A
All right, everybody, I got Chris Coy here. This one special. He's my cousin, and he's a very successful actor. He's been in a lot of different things over. Back in the day, he's been in so much. I'm gonna miss a lot, but he's been in Treme, been in Banshee, True Blood, had a bunch of cameos in tv, been in the Walking Dead, but most recently, he's got a new one coming out. Co starring with Jason Bateman and Jude Law with Black Rabbit on Netflix. Man, what's up, baby?
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B
Hey, cuz. God, I love you. It's good to see you.
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A
I love you too, man. Love you too. Like, how cool is it that as family, we get to hop on a show and talk about your career and you can be on my show. Actually, this is the second time. But, like, the first time you're, like, wearing jorts and the show sucked. And I don't know if we're good now, but I think we're getting a little better.
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B
Let's just say something amplified for both of us.
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A
Maybe a little bit, right? Maybe a little bit. Yeah. But no, dude, it's just. It's. It's fun that we get this opportunity to do this. So walk me through what's going on, man.
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B
Dude, I mean, life's good on the. On the personal side, you know, we're. We're renovating this house. We. We probably bit off more than we could chew. But we're, you know, one room at a time in it and that's fun. Learning a lot, breaking some stuff here and there. And the kids are good, happy, healthy. Volleyball and jiu jitsu and, you know, they're, they're doing their thing and I'm God, just loving watching. That's definitely like, that's awesome. That's the best role I've got. I know you feel the same way. Like that fatherhood stuff is just h.
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A
It's the hardest though, isn't it? It's the best role, but it's the hardest.
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B
It's what I think it's what. It's where. It's where I like measure myself on the daily, you know, like, did I. How did I do today? You know, and what kind later tomorrow with them. But anyway, so they're good. Alice is good. She's still patient and tolerant of me and you know, God bless her, man, what a saint. It's true. It's true, man. God, never, never been happier there. And then, and then professionally, you know, waiting on this show to drop. It actually had its world premiere last night in Toronto at Tiffany. Yeah. Which was fun. I guess by the time this airs, you know, it will have been a week ago or so, but looking good. People are liking it. But for me, I mean, it's. And this is selfish, I guess, but I, I just love it. I love the show and I love working on it and dreamy, you know, going to work every day and all. All of my stuff is either with Jason Bateman or Jude Law or combination of the two. And, and then the rest of my stuff is with this Academy Award winning deaf actor named Troy Kotser who's just an absolute icon. And, and so, yeah, like, you get to work every day and you're with those guys across from you on camera and then behind camera is like Jason's directing some episodes or Laura Lenny directed two episodes and this guy Ben Simonoff who was the DP for Ozark and this guy Justin Kurzel who's like this huge up and coming film and soon to be just like a huge, huge weapon in the industry. Director and, and then producing wise, you got Michael Costigan and Eric K. Like, these are all just like, those are huge names, you know, And I know it's like such a cool feeling and you know this feeling. I know you do. Going to work and being in a room and you look up or you look around and it's just all stars and you're like, man, like, I. The right room. And, like, dude, I know that feeling all too damn well, you know, like, yeah, have, like, humble beginnings. And. And really kind of, like, I think that, you know, you. You probably relate to this more than most, not just because, you know, we're family, but because I know where you come from. You know, we both, like, set off on this endeavor, and I think a lot of people that were in our ear who cared about us or, like, maybe don't. Like, it's tough. That's hard. It's. You know, and. And so to end up in this place where. Where your peers are people that you maybe once looked up to, and. And to feel like, despite that initial reaction of, like, am I in the right room? To ultimately feel like you belong there is, of course, man, it's so a beautiful day.
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A
It's. It's. It's. It's an interesting thing, right, because you talked about, you know, your. Most of your stuff on camera, then even behind cameras with Jude or Jason Bateman. Right. And so, like, you ever think again, We. We both are very confident in our abilities, but also times we're like, like you said, am I in the right room? You grew up. I know you grew up watching Jason Bateman. Now you're sitting here in this limited series with him.
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B
What.
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A
What is that like for you, dude?
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B
Not even just, like, sitting with him. Now I'm in this limited series with, like, a gun in his face being like, shut up. Like. And then they're like, I want to.
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A
Do this my whole life.
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B
I'm there. Like, cut. I'm like, I'm so sorry. Are you okay? And he's like, you ain't. Like, he's great.
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A
He's funny, dude. He's a. He's a talented dude, man.
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B
And, like, on and off camera, that remains constant. Like, really funny guy, highly likable, so smart and great leader, great director. Just like kind of like one of the. Just one of the boys. Like, just a good dude like you don't. You really quickly forget that. That you're sort of standing next to this man, that. That you've in one way or the other known your whole life and looked up to, and there's always been the separation between you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
He quickly puts all that to. To rest.
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A
That's badass. That's a true professional man.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And Jude.
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B
And Jude is the same way, albeit a different character. Jude kind of glides by you, and you're like, oh, my God, that's you Law to you. He's he's just such a good man. They both are. And that's the other thing too, is, is that in their personal lives too, like, we're talking just to family, men love their kids, love their partners. You know, dedicated and loyal and disciplined. You know, we were talking about earlier.
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A
Like, that's, that's amazing, dude. It's, it's good to know that because you see people on screen, you don't know like what they're like, you know, off camera. Like, you look at Barry Bonds, you know, he's the best baseball player ever, but you know, he has his things right? Like, he's not very approachable. So it's always nice when you know, you, you have someone on screen. Like for me, you know, I'm not an actor yet, but I, I sit there and I, I'm gonna throw that in there. But I sit there and I'm watching Jason Bateman, I'm like, I wonder what, what that guy's really like in real life. You know what I mean? Because you, you grow up and you see somebody in, in so many multifaceted roles. But, but again, like, all to say, this episode is not about him, it's about you and your experience within this, within the series. But like, but dude, like, I watched the trailer, obviously I watched it multiple times because you're in it like three times. I'm like, holy shit. You know, this is really, really cool. Drops the 18th, right? Drops the 18th. What are you allowed to share? I'm assuming you're allowed to share what's public. For those people that haven't gone and watch a trailer and read the synopsis about what this show's about. Can you give, can you give them something? Hey, we're going to take a quick break to hear from our Powered by sponsor. We're proud to announce a partnership between White Sands Treatment Centers and the Determined Society. With multiple locations across Florida, White Sands provides luxury. Top rated addiction treatment. From medical detox and inpatient care to outpatient support and long term aftercare. Their resort style campuses, expert clinicians and holistic programs create real, lasting recovery. Together, we're committed to bringing hope, resources and healing to those who need it most. White Sands Treatment centers. Sure.
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B
And I mean, if, you know, if this is going to come out a few days after it airs or after, you know, after it's available to the.
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A
Public, it probably will.
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B
Yeah. Then there's not much that I, that I'm, that I need to be tight lipped on, but for safety's sake, I mean, what I can share is that it's exhilarating, it's highly propulsive. It's. It's very much. Well, it's a layered show, though, man. There's. There's definitely. There are tons and tons of moments where it is a. An action thriller. You know, there's a bag of money and a gun and, like, you know, who's gonna get it? Who's. You know, and. And then there are other. God, really, really nuanced and beautiful moments where it is a family drama, where it is a story of siblings and the. The dynamic between them and. And what happens when these two people who grew up in the same house ended up very different people who actually, despite growing up in the same house, maybe had two very different experiences, and that. And that consequently led to them ending up on the opposite side of this spectrum. And. And is that conducive to success? And sometimes with siblings, it can be. And then sometimes it. It can be debilitating. And how many of us. How many of us have a relationship with a sibling or a family member where, man, they're. They're fun to be around, but they're sort of toxic and they kind of get in trouble whenever you're with them or, you know, they. They're volatile and you might say the wrong thing that might set them off and then, you know, and so the show is. Is really fun to watch and like I said, really live and sort of easy to just get, like, locked in on. But there's also. It's really highly relatable content because we. It doesn't really matter where you come from, socioeconomically, even, or culturally. Like, that's just a through line in families. Like, there's just. There's bound to be some drama and some volatility and. And we all directly or indirectly know what that feels like. You know, we've either seen it or. Or been in it before. And. And I think the show does a really good job of threading all of that.
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A
That's interesting because, like, as you're going through that, like, you know, I mean, of course I have a. You know, Angela, my sister, we have two different definitions of our childhood. And that's not to say hers is wrong or mine is right or vice versa. But, like, every family has different dynamics. And I love the fact that you're pointing out that this show kind of shows that because, you know, there could be five siblings in a house, and every single one of them is going to be different. They're going to view their parents differently. They're going to view each other differently. One's going to be closer to maybe one or two of them and maybe despise one of them for. For reasons that are beyond any one of their control, to be quite honest. It's just, you know, the conditioning of the environment. So I think that's interesting, dude. That. That's an. That's a very dynamic piece from what I'm hearing about this film. I'm excited to see it.
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B
Yeah, it's cool. And the idea, too, that, like, you know, those. Those differences can arise in. In childhood or as a consequence of their childhood or even, you know, sometimes I feel like I've got three kids upstairs, and they all grew up with the same parents in the same loving home, but they're three different souls. Those are three different beings, and they butt heads sometimes because of that. But what's. What's sort of interesting about the show or. Or what. What some of it is about is, is that no matter where we go in life or how we grow or how far apart we. We grow, some of that stuff stays. Some of that stuff stays the same. You're at 40 years old in some ways, despite or within all the growth elsewhere, there's still that same kid in there and like, you know, in the same pain or trauma or. Or joy or, you know, whatever lessons you. You took from that childhood, like, you carry those things with you all the time. And the show really kind of touches on that, you know, and how much patience do you have for this person and. And how much tolerance do you have? And. And then, like, even if you run out of patience or tolerance, you still love them. You could be, like, be like, addicted to this bad family member because you just love them or you feel them or, you know, where they came from, and. And so you continuously let them.
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A
Is. It's very interesting, dude, because you're talking about. We could be in our 40s, you know, we've grown so many different ways, but there's that little boy or little girl there, still dealing with the trauma. It's so. It's so crazy to me because as you're. As you're walking through that, like, I can think of many relationships within my family, right? Many of them, and it's like, love them. But it's also. I've grown in so many different areas, but I still hold on to certain things, and it's hard to get through them, dude. It is really hard to get. You know what I mean? Because, like, how do you. How do you go back? Like, how do you, you know, circumvent and just like, hey, let's pick this back up. Like, where did we go wrong? Because you fear that the reaction is going to be the same as it was 10 years ago. So you fall into this area where, like, everything is just status quo and you just continue living your life and growing, but then you don't know that other person.
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B
That's right. Yeah. And it's such a. And that's such a. Just like a. It's just a part of the human experience for so many of us. And I think that it was really smart of. Zach Balin and Kate Sussman are the two creators of the show. They wrote the whole thing and really intelligent of them to. To make this show that's really fun to watch. And it's dark and there's like. Like I said, and there's many moments where it's a bag of money and a gun and a cat and mouse and, you know, good guys, bad guys, that sort of. But threaded through all of that is, is this sort of emotional turmoil and this family dynamic that so many of us know all too well, even if we never talk about it. And so, like, all of a sudden, you're watching this thing and you're not. You might not even tell the person you're watching it with, like, damn, that's me and my sister and that's me and my brother. But in here.
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A
Interesting.
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B
You're going to be like, oh, I know exactly what he's dealing right now.
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A
It. It's. It's crazy because I was watching. I've watched the trailer a few times. A few times, like I said. And when you're talking about, like, the gun in a bag of money, the intensity, the darkness. But then Bateman will throw in some weird humor, you know, like, he showed up at the thing, he said there with no shoes on, like, I got a good price on the bus. He's like, you sold your shoes on the bus? He's like, I'm chipping away at this. And it's just. I'm doing. Yes, I'm doing my part. And it's just like, he's super serious because his back's against the wall, but it's still. Funny ass. Jason B. That's. That's pretty cool because I. We had a conversation on the phone the other day, you know, I said, you know, I don't know if I'd ever be able to memorize, like, line for line for line. He's like, no, dude. Like, the great ones, they have an idea, they've done their work, but then they just go with what feels naturally. How much of that really happens on. On camera. Just do it. Just memorize the shit and do it. What did you. What did you. This character, you know, your role that you played in this. In this series, what did you learn about yourself? Because I know, like, a lot of times, man, you know, talk about actors and actresses, they. They take on the role, right? They take on that personality. Was there any of that going on? And basically, like, what. What did this, what did this role teach you? Yeah.
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B
Right. And even. And I'm okay with the language that I'm just. I've gotten older and it affects me more or whatever. Like, you know, I just know that similarly, you know, you're talking about football season. Like yesterday, you know, opening Sunday, I'm at a buddy's house for, like, football day. We're all watching. Three quarters of them are beer drinkers, bourbon drinkers, whatever. I don't even think anybody noticed that I drank 12 seltzer waters, you know, and nothing else. But I would have noticed had I had. I had a beer. And, And I just don't have a desire. That's not necessarily true. It's not that I don't have a desire to have a beer every now and then or something still, but I just know that I don't really need it and that, like, I'll feel better tomorrow if I don't. And I have kind of gotten addicted to that. I've gotten addicted to. To feeling kind of better every day and, and in my workouts, like, it's just like, kind of like you said, man. Like, once I, Once I eliminated that thing, which is wild how societally, like, we're sort of conditioned, even via movies and television shows or whatever, like, just people are always drinking. They're just always grabbing a beer, drinking, you know, and, and that's. And again, I got no issue with anybody who drinks, you know, to each their own, but we're sort of conditioned to think that, like, it's. It's not really that big of a deal and the. It's out of whack how much better it made me feel when I stopped doing it, if indeed it's not really a big deal. And I. And I was lucky physically, like you said earlier. Like, you know, I've. I've always worked out and I maintain pretty well. And, and via my occupation, like, it. It pays me to stay fit. And so I stayed fit through those years while I was still drinking. And so I didn't have this in the mirror reminder that, like, yo, that you should stop doing this. But it's still, man, like, as soon as I stopped, like, just, I wake up better. My workouts are, are easier. My progress after the workout comes faster. My, My thoughts are quicker and, and clearer. My vocabulary increased. Like, it was like so many things, like, just started feeling like, oh, all of my functions are operating at a higher capacity now and, well, now you.
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A
Can do your job better too, Ex.
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B
And exactly. Like, why, why would I ever go back? You know, it's like I got to, I turned up the volume cerebrally a little bit and, and, and now I'm addicted to that feeling. And you know, God, I love that.
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A
Dude, dude, turn up the volume cerebrally. That, that is a great explanation for it. I'm just so much more in touch with certain things, you know, like, even my intuition.
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B
Right.
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A
Like, I'm very locked in on it now. Whereas before, you know, I could be wrong about. I'm not saying I'm 100% on. I'm not. Jackie will tell you that I'm, she's way more on intuition than I am.
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B
But, like, how many, how many literally, how many figures am I holding up over here?
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A
17.
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B
It's just one, so.
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A
Just one. Dang it. I was missing the. Just the one. Just the one. There he is. Chris is finally here. Threw me the bird on the camera. God dang, man, I love you. I love you, man. I'm, I'm really excited to see this, man. Like, okay, so you said you loved it. You said you loved it. You got to screen it. You've seen it. Yeah, everything. I almost asked you last time, like, give me your login to your Netflix.
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B
But no, yeah, hey, hey, they're hip to that. It only works on one device.
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A
I know they are. Gosh, it's like the, the freaking. The Netflix police. Nah, dude, I, I, I'm going to wait until it comes out. It's only a couple weeks, dude. So, you know, I'm, I'm jacked up about it.
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B
You know, you can just sit there.
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A
Oh, you guys, you're not doing the two episodes, like, and then for a week.
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B
I guess Netflix doesn't really do that. Netflix drops it all at once and it's globally with this one. So, like, following.
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A
They do do that. Yeah, they do do that on the Damn Lovers Blind. It pisses me off.
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B
Okay, sure, sure.
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A
Well, with us, my reality shows. Yeah, I love my reality shows. That's good, man. So you'll Jack, you'll wake up in the middle of the night See me on night one. Two o' clock in the morning. How many episodes is it?
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B
It's eight episodes.
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A
Oh, lovely. Good.
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B
And you know, it's pretty, pretty fast paced, you know, kind of hard, hard to put down. Okay. But then like with enough relief in there to kind of like where you stop sweating, you know, and let your heart rate come down and, you know, enjoy some, some drama. And then like. And then here we come again.
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A
There was one show. I can't remember what it was. Like, my heart rate was up the whole damn time. I can't remember what it was. Oh, it was Adolescent adolescents.
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B
Oh, yeah, yeah. People love that show. I haven't seen it yet.
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A
Watch it. Yeah, it's crazy. It parallels real life so much, dude. And I was actually on Piers Morgan's show and we talked about that the first time I was on and it was just like my first exposure to like big media. And I'm like, what the hell's going on? Like, this is, you know, people are actually literally talking about Hollywood impacting real life. And I've seen it in so many different areas. Like you look at the Menendez brothers, right? That limited series came out and they got another, they got a retrial, right. They got a resensing or whatever. And then, you know, Amy Bradley disappears on a cruise how many years ago now? Oh, we think she's alive, so we think we saw her. Now that thing's back open. So I don't think people realize how impactful Hollywood truly is, man. And it's just really cool. Even if it's, you know, a show like yours where it's, it's fiction. Right. But, but it parallels real life so much that it gets people to think. I think those are the best shows.
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B
Yeah, me too. Again, that's why I'm really, really proud to be a part of this one. For that reason. You know, I think that in the, in the home, in the living room where they're watching the show, there's going to be a lot of people who may be, maybe don't feel seen in their drama when they're watching TV or movies as much as, as this is gonna kind of touch them. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of different characters in the show. It's a big ensemble and everybody kind of has their own struggle they're going through. And that's, and that's talked about in the show. And there's gonna be, I mean, there's gonna Be a lot of people, I think that when they're watching it, are gonna be like, man, I'm. I'm Jake or I'm Vince or I'm. You know, there's. It's really, really. It's cool, man.
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A
You know, there's one show. Sorry. There was one show that everybody always compared himself to. Do you know what that show is? Friends.
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B
Friends. Yeah. Yeah. You're. You're.
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A
You know, I'm talking about, like, somebody's like, oh, I'm Joey. Like, nah, you're Ross.
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B
Yeah. And everybody. I was gonna say everybody thinks they're one person. And anybody around them is like, no, you. You're definitely Chandler.
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A
You know, dude, my wife goes, and of course, you know Jackie, but, you know, she goes, who am I? Who am I in this? I'm like, you. Are you serious? And she goes, yeah. I go, dude, you're Monica. You're OCD.
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B
I was just gonna say, yeah.
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A
Oh, 1,000%.
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B
Even, like, kind of looks like Monica or something. There's like, a little bit of. I feel like there's a little bit of Monica in there.
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A
Yeah, maybe I want to know that. She goes. She's like, I'm Hispanic. Courtney Cox is not either. Like, oh, here we go. The Hispanic. Heard.
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B
Heard.
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A
Yeah, but, dude, as we start landing the plane here, I think I read somewhere that you have something else coming out in 2026. Are you allowed to talk about that?
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B
Sure. Or. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was. Which I shot at the same exact time, which was maybe the most baller I've ever felt like I was.
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A
That's badass, dude.
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B
I was in New York shooting Black Rabbit, and they would have to, like, schedule me out and wrap me so I could race to the airport, hop on a flight, fly to Atlanta, and then film this movie with Anne Hathaway and Ewan McGregor. And it's called Flowervale Street. And they've already. Yeah, they've released some. Some photos and stuff. So I can say that it's. It's like a. It sort of presents itself as, like, a family drama, but then at a certain point, it becomes this epic dinosaur film.
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A
Oh, really? That's interesting.
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B
Yeah. What's that? Were you a T. Rex Pterodactyl. Pterodactyl, yeah. I got wings, baby. But so, yeah, that'll come out in. It's like a year from now. It's like August of 2026 because it's an IMAX release. And so for whatever reason that incentivized them to lock in this Date quite a bit down the road, but that's cool. Yeah, it's fun. Got to Hathaway. Yeah. I got to play a bit with her and Ewan McGregor, and that's sick. Both fine people. Ewan and Jude were roommates when they were in their early twenties in London. It was the two of them. Yeah, the two of them and Angelina Jolie, and in one apartment, one house, one. One flat in London. And Johnny Lee Miller, who ended up marrying Angelina years later. But, yeah, the four of them are all in this apartment in their 20s before any of them made it. And so wild. Ewan was, like, telling me stories about, you know, Jude was, like, the loser sleeping on the couch who never paid his rent. And, like. And I would like to. I would be in Atlanta, and Ewan would, like, tell me a story, and then I would fly back to New York, and I'd relay that story to Jude, and he'd be like, yeah, that's true. Did you tell you? I.
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A
You're the start. You're the. You're stirring.
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B
I was kind of a little bit. But, like, on this, like, major league left, like, it was like, no, absolutely. It's the big leagues, you know? It was so much fun. Yeah.
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A
Like, that's freaking awesome.
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B
But they were both great sports about it, and. And it was fun, you know?
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A
That's good, man. Dude, I thank you. Thank you for coming on, man. And Black Rabbit, dude, I love you, too, man. This is such a blessing, bro.
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B
So good to see you.
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A
I can't wait to see you on the screen.
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B
Dude, I want to get you. I want to get you in the family out here to the house, too. Let's do a little. Let's just do it, you know, I'll text her, call you here after and set something up.
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A
Yeah, dude, hit me up tomorrow, actually. I got. I'm slammed the rest of the day, but hit me up tomorrow. We'll get with Jackie and we'll do it, because I need some time with my cousin, bro.
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B
Yeah, man. Come see the farm.
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A
You know, that'd be fun. Dude, it's been, like, a week there. You should do, like, a week.
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B
Do it. Yeah, I'm.
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A
Dude, I'm down. Trust me.
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B
I need to stay much longer than a week, and I'll, like, make you help me with renovations and so, like, a week's, like, a nice.
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A
I'll bring my tidy whities. I'll bring my tidy whities. I don't have any. I'll go buy some.
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B
Okay.
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A
And, you know, you'll wake up and you're like. Alice was shaking her head, and he's like, what's. What's going on?
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B
She goes, I was wondering how long into the interview we would get before it got real nice and weird.
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A
I mean, yeah, I'm kind of disappointed. Like, yeah, yeah. A lot longer than I thought, but sure. But, you know, we're both a little more locked down than we. Than we were. Like, we have to. We have to be a certain way now.
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B
We've grown up. I'm proud of us.
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A
Yeah, I mean, imagine that, dude. Imagine that we grew up, actually. That shit's crazy.
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B
Before we go, I gotta say, man, speaking of growing up, you're just earlier talking about Jay Leno and. And you were on Truce, Morgan, and all that stuff. Like, I know you, bro. I remember. I know you know where we came from. And, like, it's so beautiful watching you become emblematic of what your show represents. Like, you. You are the determined society. You. You are such. You're not just the host. You're like. You're the mascot. You're such a picture of determination. It's a beautiful thing. And I mean that. I love you. I'm proud of you, man.
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A
Well, thank you. I mean, I get compliments from time to time, but to hear it come from family that knows my struggle, knows my demons, knows everything about me, it means more, dude. So thank you, dude. And likewise, man. I know where you've come from. You know, I've known what you've gone through, and to see you out there still killing it. And you. You mentioned something earlier in the show. You know, you're. You know, maybe don't go do that. I remember the. I remember those moments. I remember when there was this massive, like, drama around you graduating early in the administration at the time of the high school you went to. I don't want to put them on blast, but Google search, guys. It's not that hard. But, like, I. I look at it, and I. And I always kind of sat there, and I'm just like, what's the big deal? Like, he has a dream. Like, if someone told me right now, like, you know, or back then, like, I remember. I can't remember what I saw. I think I might have been talking to my mom. They go, if someone told me right now to go grab a bat and catch his glove, the catcher's mitt, and report to the Oakland Athletics, I would have done it in two seconds. So I commend you, dude, because there weren't. It wasn't all sunshines and rainbows, dude.
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B
No, they held like a meeting with the administrators school and brought me. Which again, that's what I was saying earlier. It was like the people who cared about us. It wasn't like. It wasn't being like, he shouldn't do that. You know, it's a pipe dream. It was like, people who were intelligent enough to sort of read the stats and cared enough about us to be. To. To. They thought they were being protected. But yeah, like, you know, that. That principal and. And several other administrators sat me down and were like, you have other options. There's scholarship here and there's, you know, you should go do something else. And looking back and. And really in the moment, I remember being, like, proud of. Of that moment as well. But in hindsight, even more so, like, I love that. I was just like, sorry. Not sorry, guys. I'm going.
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A
You never waver. You never waver. You. You. There was not ever a question of what you were gonna do.
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B
Yeah, I mean, this is. This is maybe too personal. And. And only, you know, you. You know exactly what I'm talking about. But that was grandma, you know, grandma was in this ear my whole life being like, you can do anything, man. Tell them all to go to hell. Go get. Go get it, baby. Yeah, well, yeah, we're still working on it, but. But now I pass down those same sentiments to my kids. You know, I tell them all the time, like, I'm a dreamer and I'm still working on it, but, like, I'm every day, right in front of you, there's proof like, it can be done. It doesn't matter what anybody tells you. You can. You can. You can figure this out.
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A
You'll appreciate this, man. So this morning, you know, every Monday, I take the kids to school because Jackie has meetings and she can't take them. So I take them, get them there a little bit later. And Mia was sitting there. I was eating with her this morning, right? She goes, I am so lucky to have you as my dad. I'm like, nah, kid, it's the other way around. I'm lucky that you're my daughter, because you make me the father. I am you, your brother, and your sister. She was. She goes, no. She goes, I was at school the other day, and my friend came up to me and said, your dad is the determined society. That is so cool. I'm like, wait, hold on a second, dude. Mia's freaking six. She's in kindergarten. I'm like, mia, I think you have it messed up. I don't think your friend came to school talking about me and my show. She goes, he did. You're friends with his mom? Paul's mom. I'm like, this is wild to me. And he goes, you know, daddy, it's just really cool because you just. You just help people. And I. And I think that. I don't think I'm anything special. I truly don't, man. And. But when you're saying, like, you pass it down to your kids, it came up with that thought because, you know, I have three just like you, you know, two girls and a boy. Dude, our karma, like, four girls between seeing the two of us. Jesus Christ. But I look at it, and it's just like each one of them has their own set of abilities and talents. Like Mia for her entrepreneurship project. Like, well, she's not in kindergarten. She's in first grade. I apologize. She, I guess, got done with kindergarten last year. Great dad. I am. Here we go. Well, her project, she's like, I want to do an entrepreneur project, but I want to do with you. I was like, okay, what do you want to do? She goes, panda Talk. I'm like, what's that? She goes, my podcast. Let's build it. I'm like, what? So we did a poster board of, you know, this whole concept of Panda Talk, but, you know, helping children get through their big feelings and how to communicate them to their peers and their. Their parents and their teachers. And so, like, I'm doing this with her, and I'm like, why do you want to do this? She goes, because you show me it's easy. I was like, oh, okay. I didn't get too deep with. I'm like, God, this is the hardest thing I've ever done. But, like, you know, you make it look easy.
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B
That's cool.
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A
I don't know about that, dude. I appreciate that. But, God, you know, I look at. Look at some of the old stuff, and I'm like, I can't even go back.
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B
But I think that's anybody. If you don't. If, If, If. If you're not looking back on this path you're on and. And seeing some wreckage back there. I mean, then you probably weren't. You probably weren't, you know, doing something risky or hard enough, you know, it should be kind of messy there, you know?
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A
Yeah.
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B
You're just now finding out that. I love that. You're just now finding out that most of the demographic that watches your show is elementary school kids. We all knew. Yeah.
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A
We'Re like minded. We have the Same maturity level. There's like, they're not playing up to me. I can tell you that. I'm going down to them. Like, I'm. Yeah, it was just kind of amazing to me. I was like, well, I don't see that on my analytics. I think he's. I think he's lying. He's a little liar. You know, maybe he's using his parents account now. But, dude, dude, this has been such a fun time for me, man, and I'm super excited for your. Your show to come out. And I just. I just can't wait, dude. Can't wait. So let me ask you one more quick question here. So this is a determined society, right? And I want to know what your true definition of determination is.
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B
I think that this goes back to, you know, this is sort of a theme throughout what we were talking about. I feel like. But it's always discipline for me, man. It's that. It's that motivation comes and goes and is an external, an externally created force. It's, you know, things around you are going good, or you see something that you're inspired by and it motivates you, or, you know, the inverse. Life's been exhausting, and you're tired and you're unmotivated now, but discipline comes from within. And. And for me, I'm always trying to focus on what can I control. I can decide that I'm working out, whether I'm. Whether I feel like it or not, I can. And, you know, we could go into microcosms of that. Whatever it is, you know, getting in the ice bath, like, God, I don't want to fucking do this right now, but we're getting in because I said so. And. And then once we're in, we're staying in for the full five minutes because I said so. And my mind and my. My mind and my body might be like, get out. Get out. But that thing in me that's actually driving your soul, your. Whatever you want to call it, because I said so, man. We're not. We're not stopping.
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A
And dude, I. That fires me up, bro, because that right there is something that I want the audience to really write down because I said so. Because there's something going on in their life right now that they say, you know what? I'm gonna do this tomorrow. But then tomorrow comes and they don't do it. So what happens in those moments is you tell yourself that you can't trust yourself. Like, if you break your word to yourself, then you can lie to people and. Which I don't. I don't.
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B
I don't know what you mean.
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A
You know? Yeah, I don't. I'm not saying go lie to people, but you can. They may not never know the truth, but, you know, when you break a promise to yourself, and it's usually those moments you break the promise yourself, you miss out on the opportunity for growth and success. So. Because I said so. I mean, damn it, damn it, damn it. That's it.
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B
And consistently doing so. I think that the other. I mean, I quoted Tom Hanks earlier. I might as well do Denzel, too. Those are my two favorite guys. And I go back to this a lot. Denzel. And he has. He has been filmed and quoted saying this in multiple venues and scenarios. But he says dreams without goals are just dreams, and ultimately, they fuel disappointment. And on the road to achieving your goals, you must apply discipline and more importantly, consistency. Because without commitment, you'll never start, but without consistency, you'll never finish. And, like. Oh, like that. That is, I think, a huge part. Or that philosophy. The idea that, like, aside from my discipline, the only other highly crucial ingredient is consistency. Because I could be disciplined today, but if I'm not, tomorrow we're up. And so, yeah, it's not what you.
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A
Could do once, man. It's what you can do repeatedly.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, for an extended period of time, long after the emotion wears off. Right, like that. That's the key. That's the key. I didn't want to do rack pulls today. I didn't want to do sled pulls. I didn't want to do belt squats. I wanted to do arms, but I did the thing that I didn't want to do.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, like that. That's. That's the key. That's the key, so. All right, my man. I appreciate you, buddy. Hang tight. After we're done recording, but for the audience, Black Rabbit on Netflix. Go check it out. Go check my cuz Chris Coy out and send him some love. Until next time, guys. Stay determined.