The Luttrell Brothers: Brotherhood, Battle Scars & Becoming Unbreakable

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Podcast Summary

The Determined Society with Shawn French

Episode: The Luttrell Brothers: Brotherhood, Battle Scars & Becoming Unbreakable
Date: November 24, 2025
Guests: Marcus Luttrell and Morgan Luttrell
Location: Wing Ranch, Columbia, Mississippi

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Shawn French sits down with Marcus Luttrell (Navy SEAL, "Lone Survivor" author) and his brother Morgan Luttrell (former Navy SEAL, Congressman, brain trauma advocate) to dive deep into themes of brotherhood, resilience, coping with trauma, mental adaptation after war, and personal discipline. The conversation flows from harrowing military experiences to practical routines for building mental toughness and touches on intimate family dynamics, marriage, and faith. Both humor and hard-earned wisdom infuse the dialogue, creating an unvarnished portrait of what it really means to become “unbreakable.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Transition from Military to Civilian Life

• Both Marcus and Morgan detail the immense difficulty of reintegrating into civilian life after combat.
  • Marcus underscores the loss of brotherhood and the challenge of letting go:

    "I freaking hated every second of coming back to being a civilian. That’s the hardest thing I ever did. I want to let go. You can't be a SEAL in the civilian world. You'll die." (01:15)

  • Morgan highlights the psychological black hole post-military and the need for understanding and adaptation:

    "There's a deep, dark, black hole that lives outside the military when you exit. It's a very real thing." (22:21)

• The importance of structure, routines, and purpose to avoid destructive habits after combat is emphasized.
• Brotherhood remains vital:

  "We're designed to have a buddy at all times, so I got him. I'm golden." (21:58)

2. Mental Toughness & Embracing Hardship

• Both brothers discuss leaning into pain, adversity, and discomfort to build resilience.
  • "When something's hard, you stick your freaking face in it and you lean into it and you go." (07:59, Host)
  • Morgan encourages listeners to test mental limits deliberately:

    "Get up Saturday morning and walk 50 miles and don't stop…that resets everything that you get yourself into." (09:29)

• Discipline and willpower are highlighted through anecdotes about fasting, cold showers, and daily routines.
  • "Take a cold shower every morning for 30 days…you want to know what willpower and discipline is, try that on day four." (41:17)
  • Marcus’s small steps approach:

    "For two weeks, do one pushup, then on that third week, do two…just take your ass in there and pick up the dumbbell and put it on the rack." (42:21)

• The notion of “no finish lines” in life:

  "There is no finish line outside that ever.” (45:32, Morgan)

3. Brotherhood, Bonding, & Support Networks

• The depth of brotherly connection, particularly forged in adversity, is explored:

  "If you bleed with somebody or you go through a tough time, there's a bond that's formed." (11:55, Marcus) “I was born with my partner. My soulmate.” (11:50, Morgan)

• The importance of male connections and their often hidden depth for mental health is discussed.

4. Adaptation, Identity, and Letting Go

• Identity shifts after service and the psychological difficulty in “turning off” the SEAL mindset are acknowledged with wit and candor.
  • Marcus:

    "I had to go undercover… I just got assigned to this hot chick and got to help raise her kids." (25:14)

• Morgan adds:

  "Your ability to adapt to that environment, all the while having what and who you are…is still there." (24:14)

5. Psychedelic and Novel Therapies for Veterans

• Discussion of Ibogaine and other psychedelic therapies as tools for treating trauma and traumatic brain injury (TBI):
  • Marcus:

    "You're talking about a nuclear bomb compared to a firecracker… Best thing I ever did for myself, my family." (31:33, 32:01)

  • Morgan:

    "I always like to say it was one of the worst experiences I've ever gone through, man. It was great." (31:40)

• Emphasis on research, safeguards, and advocacy from Morgan’s position as a legislator:

  "Studies are being populated, longitudinal studies coming out… If it works on us… it works." (34:26, Marcus & Morgan)

  • "We have a very large problem in the US with fentanyl overdoses, suicides. We want to move away from opioids." (35:11)

6. Family, Fatherhood & Marriage

• Both brothers stress the importance of family, being present as fathers, and the sacredness of partnership.
  • "Overall, I want to be a great father. I want to… be good dads." (52:27, Marcus)
  • Morgan:

    “Daddy’s gonna be there. Pop that blue line.” (52:13)

• Candid marriage wisdom and vulnerability:
  • "Remember that first couple of months…every time you see them freaking touches you… Don't ever forget that." (57:47, Marcus & Morgan)
  • On handling conflict:

    "Never go to bed mad. Even if you can't even stand the way I smell, tell me you love me." (60:34)

7. Discipline, Habits, and the Value of Suffering

• The brothers highlight “embracing suffering” as an essential path to gratitude, achievement, and personal growth.
  • “There's no appreciation if there's not some type of suffering.” (38:19, Host)
  • "People don't like that word, suffering… but once you feel something, and it lights you up, makes you want to do it." (39:29, Marcus)
• The magic of compounding small habits for big change.

8. Pop Culture and Humor

• Light moments about favorite motivational movies (Rocky), power songs (Roy Jones Jr., Eminem: "Can’t Be Touched"), and muscle through adversity add levity and relatability.
  • "If you're not getting beat up, you don't get to listen to Rocky music." (48:42, Marcus)

9. Upbringing and Life Lessons

• Stories of tough love from their dad; being pushed into adulthood after high school graduation.
  • “You can get a job, you can go to college, you can join the military, but you can’t stay here.” (52:58, Marcus quoting his father)
• The formative nature of financial struggle and working through school.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Brotherhood & Adversity:
  "I was born my soulmate, right?" — Morgan Luttrell (11:50)
• On Reintegration:
  "I freaking hated every second of coming back to being a civilian." — Marcus Luttrell (01:15, also echoed at 21:28)
• On Suffering:
  "It's not designed to break you down. It's designed to break you open so something else can come out." — Marcus Luttrell (16:09)
• On Adaptation:
  "I just got assigned to this hot chick and got to help raise her kids… I literally think like that, so it keeps me squared away." — Marcus Luttrell (25:14)
• On Pushing Limits:
  "How do you know you don't have a superpower that was designed to handle that?" — Marcus Luttrell (09:04)
• On Family:
  "Daddy's gonna be there. Pop that blue line." — Morgan Luttrell (52:13)
• On Daily Discipline:
  "Just take your ass in there and pick up the dumbbell and put it on the rack. That’s working out.” — Marcus Luttrell (42:21)
• On Marriage:
  "Never ever say anything that would change the way she looks at you as a human being… you come off at the mouth and crush them." — Marcus Luttrell (59:14)
• On Suffering and Progress:
  "That's how the body knows you're making progress." — Marcus Luttrell (39:26)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 01:15 — Marcus reflects on post-combat transition and civilian life
• 09:29 — The 50-mile test and pushing beyond limits
• 16:09 — On suffering breaking you open, not down
• 22:21 — The “black hole” of post-military life, research on reintegration
• 25:14 — Marcus’s “undercover” approach to adapting
• 31:33–34:28 — Ibogaine and psychedelic therapy for trauma (detailed personal and research views)
• 41:17–42:21 — Practical discipline tips and habit formation
• 45:32 — “There is no finish line outside that ever.”
• 52:58 — Father’s life lesson after high school
• 57:47–60:34 — Renewal in marriage, practical marriage advice

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Tone and Style

The episode is raw, hearty, and earnest. Marcus and Morgan deftly oscillate between deep vulnerability and salt-of-the-earth humor, offering unfiltered truths wrapped in Southern charm. Their language is plainspoken, unscripted, and occasionally profane — all in the service of authenticity and relatability.

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Audience Takeaways

• Embrace hardship and push your boundaries to unlock hidden potential
• Structure, routine, and camaraderie are essential, especially after major life transitions
• Brotherhood and support networks—whether lifelong or found in adversity—are lifelines for resilience
• Small, disciplined habits compound into transformative change
• Relationships and marriage require intention, humility, and continual effort—never drift apart
• Psychedelic-assisted therapies show emerging promise for trauma—advocacy and safe practice are essential
• True growth happens outside of your comfort zone—run to the fight, not from it

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For Reflection

If you’re struggling, remember:

“If you ever catch yourself in a moment that we’re talking about, you’re in the right moment.” — Marcus Luttrell (10:53)

And never forget to:

"Stay determined."

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Transcript

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[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You both have been injured. I mean, you survived a helicopter crash, broke your back, traumatic brain injury. And, you know, everybody knows what. What you went through, right? Being the lone survivor, how did you guys, I guess, adjust when you guys came back from something like that?

[Marcus Luttrell]

It was the hardest thing I read. I mean, man, I freaking hated every second of coming back to being a civilian. That's the hardest thing I ever did. I want to let go. You can't be a SEAL in the civilian world. You'll die. We had to go through in there and what we got to go do, there's never been a movie or documentary ever made about it, and, man, we miss that. We don't have it out here.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

What you guys do is fascinating. The strongest man ever hurt so bad. Damn. Like, I don't even have words for it, to be honest.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You don't have to. It's hard to articulate.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

What's up, everybody? We're back and we have a special one today. We're at Wing Ranch here in Columbia, Mississippi. Is it Columbia?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Okay, let's go.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Mississippi.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Okay, we're at Wing Ranch in Mississippi. I have Marcus Luttrell and Morgan Luttrell here. What an honor to be sitting down with the two of you. I mean, truly an honor. I was telling my team and I was telling Roman earlier today. I don't get super nervous or super excited for interviews anymore because I do them so much. But in June, when I learned about this one, it was an emotional response. And today and yesterday, I've been super excited and in a wee bit nervous to sit down with you guys, but we're here, so thank you for coming.

[Morgan Luttrell]

No, don't. Yeah. Hey, buddy. I can assure you we love to tell people like, hey, man, we get up every morning, put our pants on one leg at a time just like you do.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, but you guys can do a lot more push ups than I can. That's for damn sure.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I tried to. We turned 50 the other day.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I know. November 7th. Happy belated birthday.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Thank you. Thank you. 50 years old.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

How you guys feel?

[Marcus Luttrell]

He's loving it so far. I'm.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I'm having trouble saying. My wife looked at me that morning. She's like, she's like married to a 50 year old.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I was like, oh, well, he's doing.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It better because his wife lets him grow the beard. And yours one.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I know it's a. You know, our wives are best friends too, so I'm sure that would kind of go. Yeah, it might jump over.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Dude, you just did a 40 day fast.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I did. Yeah. I just finished up. I'm on the, the refeed right now.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

How's that going for you?

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's the toughest part of it. It is toughest part of it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Say that in 40 days. 40.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

40. I've done a three day.

[Morgan Luttrell]

40 days and 40 nights too. That's why he went all in.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

He did.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah. The, the definitely. The refeeding is, is the toughest part because once you. Once you start in. And I had never done a fast before.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, you, oh, you went naked. You went around.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Damn. Yeah, I do them. He does them.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And then the wives were out of the country on a trip and we were, we were having dinner together and he's like, hey, I'm gonna start this fast. Why don't you do it with me? He's like, I'm going for, for five days. It's five, right? Yeah, five days. He's like, just go for three. I was like, okay. And just the thought of that, when he would say. I remember him talking about when he would go through the fast. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Why would you do that? Would you go without food for more than 24 hours? And in my mind, I couldn't even process it. And then he, he kicked it off. So we went, we started it. And then day three rolled around. He's like, hey, you can duck out. I'm going to keep going. I was like, well, I'm not, you know, bitch, you know.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I've been through worse than this. Yeah, I'm gonna stick it out with you, bro. And then we rolled into day five, and he was coming off of it. And then I looked on my what 40 days would have been, because this is a spiritual thing for me. I wasn't doing it for the weight or anything like that. And it. So from the day we started and I typed in, I was like, hey, what's 40 days from that? And I just happened to be on our 50th birthday, so I was like, it's probably a God thing.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Wow.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And I just kind of shifted gears, and from. From there on out, I just rolled through it. Day 11 kind of got to me a little bit.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I had to. I just. I started cooking all the dinners, all the meals and lunches, because when the hunger pains would come on or the. The food cravings and everything, I just decided to. I positioned it like a fight. I was like, what? If you're going to tempt me with it, then I'm just going to go ahead and go all in on it. And I took it one day at a time. I wake up every morning, I'd be like, I got one day doing this.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Watching him go through it, because when he said, hey, I'm going to do. I was like that. I. You should start with probably three days. You know, most people would go 24, but to watch him go through it, because I was. We were to get out eating, you know. Yeah. It was amazing to it. It's. It's very mentally aggressive. Yeah. No matter how. How you. How you do it. And man, he didn't. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't take the knee, but he just jammed all the way in that. It was. It got to a point. It's like, man, it is great.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Don't be.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Hey, riding 40 days, 40 nights, man. I made it three days one time. I was like, damn, that was the toughest changes, people.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Three days is three. I mean, it was. It was in January. I'll probably do another one in January. I'm not going to do 40 days. I'm not going to do that.

[Morgan Luttrell]

But hey, three days is. That is a great.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's good.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's perfect. Five days will take you in, because day three, as you know, it's rough, man. That was.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It just got super bored. I was like, dude, like, I. I got to choose something. This is. This is getting ridiculous.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's most. Most of the time. That's where people kind of. Yeah. So if you go into four and five, the. It's different.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Your body. You wake up that kind of. End of that day, and you're. You're energized in ways you've never been before.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's almost.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It's a very euphoric feeling, really.

[Marcus Luttrell]

So day three, it felt like I had been on. Like, I got dose with a high Vicodin or something. I was trying to shake it off, and I was kind of walking around and that. And he's like, hey, day four is completely different. I woke up with that keep ketosis.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, of course.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And that focus. Yeah. That autophagy had set in. And, I mean, I cleaned the barn out, all the cars, the closets. And we were talking earlier with. When you get focused on something, people with adhd, it's kind of. For a little bit. You remember when we were kids, and it just didn't matter what we were doing, playing in the dirt. Right. How much fun that was. And it was just solely. So I had that again. I got that back. Interesting how much. How much fun it is to. To be engaged in something and looking at every aspect of the entire environment that you're working in. And then. But it's not a pressure. It's more of a love kind of deal. And that just kept growing, and I never lost that. And I actually shifted years twice with my energy levels. One was. And when I get. Got into the teens, probably day 12 or 13, and then day 21, it woke me up, felt like somebody hit me in the chest, and I sat up and my arms and legs were asleep. So that's another thing that happened to me, is I get about three hours of REM sleep and about two and a half hours of deep sleep now. Okay. And I'm like, I mean, that's good.

[Morgan Luttrell]

No, no.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's unbelievable.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's off the charts. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's ridiculous.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Every night, like, oh, my God, I'm gonna score 196 or 100. And if it's under 100, it's because I went to bed real late, usually because of the kids or something like that. But that never went away. I still have it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That energy, that's insanity. But you. You mentioned something that I want to dive into, and I want your perspective on this, too, because in the show, the Determined society, we teach people that when something's hard, you stick your freaking face in it and you lean into it and you go. And you mentioned on day 11, when it got really hard, those hunger pains. I'm like, man, this is like a fight. This is a battle. I've Been through worse. I'm going to cook all the meals. Like, what's your guys's perspective even further on? When something's really hard, you don't run from it. You run to it.

[Marcus Luttrell]

P.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I've always asked myself, why can somebody else do something that I can't? And you'll always. People like hanging this with. Do you understand how miserable this was? Like, I would tell him, hey, day three is horrible. Or any. Anything that you kind of get yourself into, there come a point in time where you're like, really miserably. You're miserable, cognitive and physically uncomfortable to a point where like, hey, I think this is it. But how do you know that? I guess the best litmus test would be like, hey, look, if it kills you, obviously we don't want to go there. But really, kind of, how far can you take it?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It's like your governor is like, kicking.

[Marcus Luttrell]

In at that time.

[Morgan Luttrell]

How do you know what the governor.

[Marcus Luttrell]

How do you know you don't have a superpower that was designed to handle that? And you're the one that's supposed to show people how to get through it? Like, I wasn't made to run. I was made to withstand an exception.

[Morgan Luttrell]

People have the ability to do things in misery that most people don't. Like. I challenge people all the time. Like, I mean, how do you. They act like, hey, it was like, hell week. How hard is hell week? You know, how did you do this? I like, you really want to kick yourself and see how mentally tough you are.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Walk 50.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Get up. Get up Saturday morning and walk 50.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Miles and don't stop. That's all you have to do. You want to.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You want to tissue mentally and physically because your body is going to shut down. Your body's gonna say, I can't go anymore. It will, of course. And it reminds me. Tell me like, hey, you need to stop. You need to stop.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Don't stop till you walk 50 miles.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You're. You're stuck. We'll go from where you think it is. You'll be. You'll be a way past the 1 percenter. And then that resets kind of everything that you get yourself into. I don't care if it's business, if it's school, family, like, hey, look, this is. This really. I've been more miserable than this. This isn't that bad.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

But this is important, too, because the audience listening, they have those moments where they listen to that internal governor, okay? This is it. Like you said. How do you know everybody's got it, but it's so important to push those boundaries, so that way you grow. But too many people are backing off, right? If they got a big goal, whatever it is, doesn't matter, you know, if it's buds or starting a show or becoming an entrepreneur. It doesn't really matter. There's going to be times where you sit there and you tell yourself, like, man, I don't know if I could take this shit anymore.

[Morgan Luttrell]

But everybody will get lost.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Everybody gets that.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, everybody gets lost. And some, you know, and they think they need to stop because they're lost, they're broke, they're hungry. They like, all right, I got. I've never been here, but I can't go any further. That's when you go, mm. That's the. I'd say you talk to every single successful person. I don't care what feel they're like, I would.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I had nothing else I do with all my money. I left everything I had. I put everything I had into this, man start. There's been enough of these and enough of us talking about this now. If you. From that here on out, if you ever catch yourself in a moment that we're talking about, you're in the right moment.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's freaking amazing.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Just go see. You know what I mean? Like, that's. The people kind of back off. Like, no, no, no. There's your neon sign right there. If this is. That this is happening to you, what we're talking about, that means the Almighty has stuck you in your. In your. In your spot, that you're about to make an advancement. You're about to get an upgrade. So just either stand there and hold, because like I said, man, my brother, man, he'll run straight into the fight. I'll stand there and wait for them suckers to wear themselves out to get to me, and then we'll fight. You know what I mean? There's different ways to do that. There's the. There's the shortest point here to there. But then don't forget about those 359. Like, to tackle something, right? And the best part is when you got a partner. Like, I was born with mine.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, that's pretty badass.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah. I was born my soul mate, right? So you know that when you.

[Marcus Luttrell]

When you're coming up, man, like country boys, especially us, man, like when we growing up, and if you bleed with somebody or you go through a tough time with somebody, then there's a bond that's formed. Like, you may not ever talk to them or something like that, but, like, if you Call when they're in a pinch and they show up. It changes the way you feel about somebody. And if they know that, especially with the alpha males, if they know that, like they know what they're dealing with, something like that, then it just, you know as well as when you walk in the door and you see him like, hey, that guy right there doesn't mess around. If I need something, he's there. Other than that, I stay out of his way.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And there's a, there's a connection that happens between men like that that we don't ever talk about it. There's so many things like that the guys just don't talk about, which is kind of detrimental to our youth because they don't know that that stuff exists.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Because chances of a lifetime show up.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Every day, all day long.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Right. When I walked in this house today, I met, I met people. I never said that could change my life forever.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Right, right. No, it makes sense because as we're going through this dialogue, right. And we're talking about these, these things you said. Every successful person has had those days, those life changing moments every single day. And they may have given up their last dollar. Like, he's like, man, I had. When I st. When I left corporate America, this is all I had. And I have three children and a wife. Like, I got to figure this out. It wasn't. I'm going to go back. I may have thought of like, okay, maybe I'll do both if I have to, because I'll do whatever I need to do to fight. But the moment my mind kind of flipped, I'm like, nah, because you were so unfulfilled over there. And this is the one thing professionally that fulfills you. You have to go harder and you have to fix yourself. So that is one thing that was holding me back was what I put in my mouth and me not moving my body. And so last Thanksgiving, I made the decision to get in better shape the moment I did the hard thing. For me, it was hard my whole life to be in decent shape. And I got there. Everything changed in my business because I went further than I did before. And people are just backing off. They're backing off. They're letting up on themselves every single day.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, you're the guy that's. It's never going to be okay. Like, what?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Everything that I have.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Hey, man, you know what? I'm okay.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Never.

[Morgan Luttrell]

We have an appetite that we're so hungry that will never stop. To the day we die with our boots on. They'll never retire, no matter what is next. Turn the page. Start a new chapter. What is it? It's all in. Because you have kids. We have kids. And that, hey, that's who we have to take care of.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Did that. Did you. Were you guys always in that frame of mind? Or was that something that you went through and learned and grew into that?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Grow.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It grows. Being a serial and going through what you guys have gone through, it just.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Built over time through life. We've learned more through our failures than we ever have our successes.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's why we go into the nut kick.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Talk about.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's where you learn.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Some people got to go in and open the doors, man. What?

[Morgan Luttrell]

No. Walking in somewhere knowing you're most likely going to lose is a very enlightening situation.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And then you get to that point, like, hey, man, I didn't come here to lose. I'm going to take an ass whooping. But that's okay. Those are the best freaking action movies are made out of that.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Go back. I'm going to go back and learn kung fu. Come back in and kicks them out.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Kick your ass. I'm glad you showed me what my weak spot was.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Right.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Because normally I got friends that back me up, that have that strength that I don't have. That's why I got them as friends.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Right.

[Marcus Luttrell]

But then when I'm out on my own and I encounter that, that's fine. I can learn even. I'm the slow runner in the family. I'll be back. He'll be back quicker. I'll be back later.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Learning something.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Every single day.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Our lives have been.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Have. It's been just. Just that, you know, every single corner we go is just like, all right, this new. You know, there's no rope memory here. There shouldn't be. It's not. Wake up every single day, the same thing over and over and over again. That's how the body and the brain dies.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Right. And we constantly move in positions to take ourselves outside of our comfort zone so we stay alive.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It's amazing.

[Marcus Luttrell]

All the country boys like playing in the mud. They don't like driving down the smooth road. Right. And then go out there and find me a new trail. Roger that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You know, just. Just then do it. And then it gets good to you. You get an appetite for it. Like, human condition's weird. Like, you try something enough times, especially if you got people that acknowledge that. Like, hey, thanks for doing that. It's like people. The people who wear the badges, the police officers.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's the craziest job ever. Firefighter run into a fire. I mean, thank God we have them, of course. You know what I mean? And then you really. Then you start to realize that men, humans, we're not anything alike. We're completely different. It's just we have little similarities that we can get along with. But there's something buried deep inside of you that only comes out when you get broke open. And that's what life's designed to do. It's not designed to break you down. It's designed to break you open so something else can come out. This is reactive armor. Like, if you get hit in one spot, you get hit back there again, it won't hurt as bad. Ever notice that? Yeah, like, if you get cut the first time I remember my son came in, I was bleeding. I didn't know it. And he's like, dad, how come you don't cry when you. When you're bleeding? I was like, I used to. I thought it would kill me. See your own blood and this, that and the other. It was like after a while, you realize what that is. It's kind of like when, you know those old country boys driving their trucks down the road and that sensor light comes on, like, check engine. What do you do? Nothing. Most of it just put a picture in front of it, right?

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I was like, well, that's what you do, man. When those check engine lights come on, throw a picture in your mind and covers that up. Freaking go. And then deal with it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You know what I mean? That's. That's just how you got to do it. It's a baby step process. You go in too hard, too fast, you'll die.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's what the.

[Marcus Luttrell]

The old men are for. They're the. Everyone's teaching you that. Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Teaching you.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That. Our old man wouldn't either. Got to get along with.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I'll tell you what. But no, he. He definitely laid the groundwork for. And we kind of what We're.

[Marcus Luttrell]

What you see sitting there, Freaking baby boomers, dude sit in front of you today, We're Gen X, baby. We were trying to kill us our whole life. Yeah. We drank some rubber hoses outside. Come on.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You guys are. You guys are three years ahead of me. I was the rubber hose outside. You know, street lights come on.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Last generation of it.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, I think so. I. I think back too, because I didn't grow up in the best neighborhood. I'm like thinking like, damn, my parents let me ride around my bike with a gang infested neighborhood and thinking I was going to be okay. Hey, I'm going to the park to play football. Like they just let me go.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It was just come back to.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And come back when the sun goes down.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Exactly. Tree lights come on. You weren't there. It was a problem.

[Marcus Luttrell]

How about that?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yep.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It is different what we live in today because we have to be more cautious, I guess just environment, you know, because of the environment.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

A lot of going on man.

[Morgan Luttrell]

There's still great opportunity. My sons don't stay inside. That's good sometimes don't have, they don't have video games. They don't forget what you're. I'm raise you like I was raised.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You know, you do that, you just show up while they're in the house, stand there and linger over them, tell them to go do. They'll get outside. Yeah, they don't want to go hang out with dad. You hang out with me. We're going to work. Yeah, yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It's funny because you know my kids, you know I have a 12 year old son, 9 year old daughter and a 6 year old daughter and they don't, they do have, you know, an Amazon Kindle, like a little iPad or whatever it's called. They don't get that if we're going on a road trip and it's like four to five hours into the road trip, we'll let them crank that on. But they don't get screen time during the week. They don't have. My son doesn't have a phone. Like we're not playing that game. Like they're gonna go and find and do something. My, my son was so excited that I was coming today to, to talk to you guys. I came across and I don't know if you're okay with talking about it, but we, I came across that documentary on Netflix in. In Waves of War that just came out and I'm watching this blindly because my son is very interested in all that stuff. And he plays with World War II planes. That's what he wanted for. For his birthday on Halloween was his birthday and that's just all he wants to do. So we're watching.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Really?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Nice.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, he's. He's a very simple dude. He wants family time. And you know, he does have a PS5. He plays it maybe once every quarter.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That stuff's not bad for him.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I mean I play video games.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You have to educate him on the digital footprint because that's the world we live in.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, video games, man. And. But we were, we were watching this is documentary. And. And then it hit me. You know, Mike said, like, hey, that documentary you're watching, that was the operation that Marcus was on. I'm like, really? That was like. It was just fast.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Have you seen it?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

What do you think about it?

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's intense.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I mean, it was heartbreaking. I mean, it really, truly is a.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Lot of stuff in there I've never seen before.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Okay, like what?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Some of the videos catch it up from. From the cameras and from the different angles. And then some of the guys. Well, I've spent my entire life since I got back trying to catch up with everybody who had anything to do with getting me back, and I always find somebody new had a different vantage, but, yeah, it's. It's intense.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Have you. Have you connected with, like, DJ Shipley and.

[Marcus Luttrell]

We never disconnected.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

DJ and I are close. It was.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It was very fascinating, man. I just, you know, I was watching it, and I. And I know psychedelic therapy is very important in certain. Certain, you know, mental states. And, you know, I think it's great, and I think watching that was just really cool to see them go through and all. But the pain. Yeah, just the pain. And what. What, really? And I'm interested in both of your perspectives because you both have been injured. I mean, you survived a helicopter crash, broke your back, traumatic brain injury, and, you know, everybody knows what. What you went through, right? Being the lone survivor. But there was conversations. I think the guy. It was Marcus, that. He's like, when I came home, he seems like an awesome dude, man. Like, I mean, I know it's just. I'm watching him through a screen, but I was like, dude, this is. This is some real.

[Marcus Luttrell]

He's all time, you know?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

But you say, when I came home, like, I didn't want to be there. I wanted to be in country, and I didn't know how to react.

[Morgan Luttrell]

How.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

How did you guys, I guess, adjust when you guys came back from something like that?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Oh, same. That was the hardest thing I read. I mean, man, I freaking hated every second of coming back to being a civilian. It's the hardest thing I ever did. I want to let go. That's why I had to go do that. And you can't be a SEAL in the civilian world. You'll die. In order to. To be a SEAL and act like a SEAL and live the way we do, you have to be in the teams around the guys with that op tempo, the way it's scheduled the minute we come into civilian life, because they separated us by Ones and twos. We. And we're designed to have a buddy at all times, so I got him. I'm. I'm golden.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

But that doesn't mean, you know, when he was away, I still go hard. And teammates will burn themselves. They'll die. They'll freaking crash and die and kill themselves. Drink, whatever, just because of how hard we go. Because we don't have that overhead. There's usually chiefs and headshed and leadership, and then there's responsibilities. You have.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You're in the tribe.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, you're in the tribe, and then when you leave it. I did. I sucked.

[Morgan Luttrell]

My research was on this when I went back to school after I got out. There's a deep, dark, black hole that lives outside the military when you exit. And it's. It's a very real thing. Right?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

And that's. That's why I love this documentary. And that's what I wanted, because that is. That is something that I don't think the public really, truly understands until you really take the. Take the opportunity to. To watch that and learn about it. I mean, man. I mean, these. I mean, the. That you guys went through, I believe.

[Marcus Luttrell]

What we had to go through in there and what we got to go do. Our entire lives, there's never been a movie or documentary ever made about it. We don't talk about it. There's. So there's the black side that we don't ever talk about. You'll never hear about it. And that's how we are created and how we are forged into this. And, man, we miss that. We don't have it out here. It's not out here. It's just. Yeah. Oh, my God. Dude, it's. You just got to accept it. I don't know. That's the thing is just accepting it. Kids, Wife and kids. Because that's a job. Right? That's a focus. And, you know, and then that responsibility never goes away. It's kind of being a police officer, I think, when they take their. When they retire, still, cops cannot turn that off.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Right, Right.

[Marcus Luttrell]

They should be able to keep their guns and their badges entire, you know, and be off duty, on duty, and they get called in. If something happens, you step up and do your thing.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Mike, he's ill. I work with man, and he's. He's still a cop.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

40 years, these things.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Nobody else.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I wouldn't even pay attention to that. What are you talking about? Yeah, it's just DNA freaking changes the way they think and perceive life.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

How do you live life after that, though, like, to your point, guys like, you know, they. That's not here. And. And like, you. I think it was you that said, you can't live here and be a seal.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's a really complicated.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I know it, sir, and I'm sorry. I just. It's something interesting.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I mean, because they're scientists and researchers and doctors and philosophers that have been trying to answer.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, man, if you had that answer.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You'D be right here for a decade.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, shit. Maybe I should find it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah. Yeah. That's a Nobel. If that's the case. And, you know, he takes a balance. Face the realization and understanding that you are who you are, but you're in a different. You're. You're in a different environment, so your ability to adapt to that environment all the while having what and who you are and have gone through is still there.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Just understanding that those. That. I had that realization when I was in class in grad school, looking around upset, and I was like, you know what I realized? Everybody in here is different than me. No, I'm sorry. I'm. I'm different than everybody else in this room. They don't have any idea who I am, where I come from, what I've done, that I'm different than everybody else. But this is where I want to be. So I have to understand that, like, okay, hey, there's a good page. Turn right there. Sit down, take a deep breath, and start to understand how I need to do that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That was where. I mean, I had to go undercover. Like I always told myself, I never got out. I just got assigned to this hot chick and got to help raise her kids, and I did. She felt closed. No one knows that I'm an operator, but I'm just undercover, and I literally think like that. So it keeps me squared away.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's interesting, because you're not joking.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's why I have to work out. You know, there's a. There's a timeline. I get up at a certain time every morning. I do a certain routine, and then.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Our wives and our. They get it.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, I understand it. Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It has evolved over the. Over the years of, you know, struggles of combat.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And I'm just talking about, you know, just military in general, exiting at. Exiting the services after fighting in the wars. And now America's great man. The American people are wonderful when it comes to our veterans, to give our veterans what they need.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Especially with the Seals, I mean, they're trying to hide. There's like a. There's a charity for every SEAL that exists kind of deal. I mean it just.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's great though.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's great.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No, absolutely. I mean, well, I mean, first of all, what you guys do is fascinating. I mean, truly to somebody that. I mean, for me, I'm going to be straight up, like, I would never even think I could do anything like that. And, and, and to know that America's being protected by individuals like you, it just, it touches my heart. And especially when I'm watching that documentary and seeing all these strong ass men, like the strongest men ever hurt so bad that, that to me, like my son, I was sitting there and, and there was one part when DJ said I came back from combat. And then Patsy goes, here's your four month old. And I couldn't remember her name. My son grabbed my leg and he goes, oh. I'm like, man, this is real shit. Like, this is stuff that goes on while we're living our kush life and while we're doing the things. While you're in a prep school, you know, someone's daddy or someone's mom is off fighting for you and everybody here in this country. But to see them hurt so badly I think is just, it's like, damn. Like I don't even have words for it, to be honest.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You don't have to. It's hard to articulate. It is really almost impossible to define.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You're so.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, and DJs a, you know, great example. You're so laser focused on what you're having to accomplish because it's not, it's. It literally is a life or death situation for those guys. No, hey, like this is no joke.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No, no, for real.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Not just me, but to my right, my left flank. If I'm not doing what I do that you think about what it. And very few people can do. This very. Got to understand what, what kind of. I hate to use the word pressures, like I have the right word, but you know, what does that take to be in that mindset to accomplish that task so nobody gets hurt. Okay. And then three days later you're back at the house.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That, that, that's it. That, that's what's fascinating.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's what is much slower because our.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Life'S TV to them. So then you get back. I remember when the kids were born, I was just kind of like, what are you gonna do with this thing? Like, I didn't. I hear people, dad, somebody. Like, I loved it. I love. From the very beginning I was like, I didn't have that. What were your emotions? I had to freaking work at that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I left full after my first son was born. I left at four weeks, happy he was born.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I went overseas.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I came back as almost a year old.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, we just didn't have. And I don't know where.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Where that goes, but again, like I said, so many answers to this question, right? This kind of Morgan's perspective.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Imagine having.

[Morgan Luttrell]

There's the potentiometer. I don't really kind of know if there is one. Even if one exists, that person would have to be the one that could turn all the way off and go, all right, I'm cool. You know, I'm just here. And that's hard to do.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And you don't want to lose your edge around the boys either, because you got to go back in so fast. And the wars are so dynamic. They change every 30 minutes. So. So you're always constantly training and having to keep up with that. And then we intensify it ourselves. Like there's a scenario and then there's us in a scenario that ratchet that thing up and make it. We're harder on each other than the scenario ever could be. So we could win. So we can win.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And they. Everybody currently, that's what those communities do still come out today.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I mean, if we were something. I can't even imagine what they're like now. Is it really slow? Oh, man. And then tech comes online with them. So then they take what we did and they. They triple it, quadruple it, probably just.

[Morgan Luttrell]

To top of it.

[Marcus Luttrell]

There's the ego that goes with. With the badge that we wear. And then that. That's a real thing. Because we're sitting there watching them like we're still alive. You know, we're like. And we're watching them like, hey, man, you better not screw this up. There's pressure that comes with.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And they know it. You know it going in that you want it. I mean, it's like feeding on a drug that's the most. And then you develop an appetite for it. And I guess it's the withdrawals. When you get back, trying to get away from it, there's withdrawals.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You're not. You're not there anymore. It's weird because I. Again, like, I don't need to clarify, but I don't do what you guys did. But when I go home from here, I'm not here anymore. It is a different energy. There's different demands. And it's still hard to go from being at a ranch in Mississippi and then going back to home. And doing all the other things. Not to a point where it annoys me, but. But there is thing. Okay. Like I got to turn that switch off for now until tomorrow morning when I go to the studio and record.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's what the Iowa gain helped me with because my switch got broke or got stuck on. On. Yeah, the. I wouldn't reset all that for me so I can do what you. You're talking about.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Did you too after that again?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Okay, so you did the same treatment that they talk about in the documentary.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Absolutely.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

And I believe you did too. Right. Okay.

[Marcus Luttrell]

What did.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

What was that like for you guys? Cuz I. I've done ketamine before. Under control.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Oh, you're talking about a nuclear bomb compared to a firecracker.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Right. Well, I'm good with the firecracker because that.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Right.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I mean, you know, hell but.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And everybody's is different. Everybody's experience is different. I always like to say it was the. Absolutely one. One of the worst experiences I've ever gone through, man. It was a great.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Greatest ever.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's interesting. You guys went to Mexico.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Interesting. Interesting.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Best thing I ever did for myself, my family.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Good. Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Right.

[Morgan Luttrell]

A friend that was on his way back called me and was. I was like, these conversations you have to have with your family.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Right.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It was Leslie and I were having this conversation and she was like. Because there was a challenges aside. It just kept.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It came to a point where, you.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Know, you're at a crossroad and you're like, hey, like I. Where we headed?

[Marcus Luttrell]

So that's what I got. My wife sent me too because I was team guy in it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Like, what do you mean? I'm undercover, man. She's like, not anymore you're not.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh man.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That thing jerked a nod my ass and didn't want to let go.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Oh man.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's like that identity shift where you get stuck. Right. It's like, you know, I'm.

[Marcus Luttrell]

This is up in there.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, I bet.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Showed up.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I bet a lot of. A lot of the veterans that go through it, they. When they're. When they're done with the treatment, you know, whatever it's called, whether it's a trip or whatever, whatever the correct terminology is, they realize that they can let go of survivor guilt. Did you guys. Did you guys ever experience survivor guilt?

[Morgan Luttrell]

No.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No. Okay.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I really didn't have ptsd.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I didn't see one thing about the war.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Really.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Nah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

We really like being there.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah. The TBI is different.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

But the rest of that stuff we never. That never got to us.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You, you help people with TBI now, right? Your foundation. You went back and got your, your advanced degree. It's this long ass title. What is it? Yeah, something.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, he's a smart one.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

He is.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I did and I, I operated kind of in the health and wellness space for veterans during grad school and after and currently my current position. Big advocate for veterans across the board.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yes.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And with the medications I ever gained and the other ones, I'm, I'm. It's a very delicate balance. As a legislator, I have to be very careful. My right and left flank are very profound. Right and set very. They're. They're in concrete to make sure that it's done correctly. But yes, that is, I am currently doing that as well. It's just.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It works so well that we're making sure that it's not abused and it's done right. So it could be administered to everyone else. If it works on us. I mean, and there's thousands, over a thousand of us that have been through the program. I mean, it works.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Studies are being populated, longitudinal studies are coming out.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Stanford, everybody's. So it's big.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Universities of higher institutes of higher learning and academia are coming board the state of Texas. Our state passed this year and gave the universities the ability to study this.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Big, huge deal.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's a massive freaking deal, man.

[Marcus Luttrell]

100. I got that done.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I just want to testify in front of it.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah. And there's other states following suit. It works. It's a real thing. I mean, it's been around a long time.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It is amazing. It's a. I like to say, I personally like to say it's amazing tool that you can put in your, your proverbial toolbox. Right, Right. We have a very, a large problem in the United States with fentanyl overdoses, suicides.

[Marcus Luttrell]

We want to move away from opioids.

[Morgan Luttrell]

SSRIs, all those highly addictive drugs and this. I personally think that this lane is something that we need to be moving in in order to, you know, address. I never say cure right now because I'm a brain scientist and I don't say cure yet. But we have the ability to decrease symptomatic issues, increase quality of life. If we do that without creating highly addictive issues through medications that are little to no side effects, especially like highly addictive ones, I think that's, that's a great leap forward.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I think so too. Do you feel that now that certain universities like in Texas and Stanford, you Know, they're starting to do these longitudinal. Longitudinal studies.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Sinai University, Washington University, Stanford, Harvard.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Is this a move in a direction that. Do you think maybe one day that in the United States can be used for treatment?

[Morgan Luttrell]

Absolutely, I guess. You know, I mean, I. I mean.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Listen, I. I hope so. I hope so because, you know, there's. There's a lot of other dangerous things out there that are. People are using and abusing, like alcohol. I mean, think about you.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Well, this. This completely eradicates the notion, the fact that we pass out. There's a difference between a drug and a medicine. A drug. You get on it, you're on it.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

This is a medicine.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Medicine.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You take this one or two times, you ain't going. You don't want to go back here.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You're like, I'm done.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I'm good. I'm good.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Am I seeing that again?

[Marcus Luttrell]

I don't want to.

[Morgan Luttrell]

So Mark's not really advocating for it to be done proper.

[Narrator]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Not legalized. Like, where you go, you don't want to give me. You don't catch this stuff on the street.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No, no, no, no, no, no. God, no.

[Narrator]

That.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's dangerous for us. Anybody who's done it knows exactly what we're talking about.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah. Just.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I think it will. You know, in my mind and in my heart, when I think about this and I see the numbers and I hear the results, I'm thinking this can really kind of change how big pharma addresses certain issues. I think big pharma is a big problem.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yes. I think, too. You know, it's. It's. It's one thing for the firsthand experience. Right. For the veterans that are struggling with things from combat and then coming home and. And getting this treatment, this medical treatment, and. And getting better. But it's. But it's more than that, too, because it's the children my wife went through. My wife.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I came back, my wife was like.

[Marcus Luttrell]

My wife's been through.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Hey, I went through all this with you, and I was like, you did?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Anything we ever did a light and she made. She just.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Home life's awesome. Freaking. I mean, life in itself has got a bliss to it. This four or five years ago now, it's still.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I mean, wow.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah. I'm not saying it takes all the work out of being.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Then it wouldn't be any fun. I mean, you know, I'm talking about, like.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah. You don't live in fantasy world. Yeah, no, that don't happen.

[Marcus Luttrell]

No. I mean, you can make it that if you work real hard at it, but still as a human condition, man, it's designed to work, actually designed to suffer down in here. So you, you want that?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Let's touch on that. Because I, I love that perspective. There has to be the right amount of suffering in everything that we do. I don't care if you're getting in shape. I don't care if you're studying to be a brain scientist. I don't care if you're building Legos. It doesn't matter. There has to be some type of suffering in what you're doing you. Because there's zero appreciation if there's not.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's right.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

We've become too. I think, I think social media is kind of the culprit here. People are talking about, you can do something in 90 days, it's no problem. You set up this funnel. You do this. I can. You can make 100 grand. And in, you know, 90 days, like, okay, like, is that really real? Right? But, but they, they're pushing the fact that it's easy. Easy bake oven to success. Easy bake oven to get in the body you want. And dude, it's not easy. You're going to suffer. If you're not willing to suffer at all, then you don't want it bad enough and you have no business starting it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Well, like we said earlier, if it's. There's a painstaking process or it's miserable to get it and you'll just get so much more.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's how, you know you earned it. That's how you know you made some ground. Anything we build out there, you got to attack something into it to make it stand up. And then the suffering in itself is just it getting hammered home.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's how the body knows you're making progress.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I mean, maybe the word. People don't like that word, suffering. You know, humans will always go to the worst. What kind of stuff are you talking about? You talking about like pain, anguish and agony?

[Morgan Luttrell]

Maybe.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Like, maybe. I mean, when people go through that, there's a recognition that goes with that and there's a. Every human being is searching for feelings. That's why they take drugs, that's why they drink. Is what we work, it's what we play, is what we do. Everything. Imagine how many scenarios are out there that you've never gotten into that will elicit a certain response in your body, a feeling. Imagine how many feelings are tucked in here that you'll never be able to tap into that you've never had an opportunity to, so. And once you feel something, man, and it lights you up, makes you kind of want to do it. They're all around you. You just got to step into them.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's true. That's true. It's interesting. You know, I just. I think about it very often because there's times where I'll even sit there. I'm like, yeah, I just, you know, I don't feel like it today. And I. And I break these terms down because the audience listening, right, Like, I want them to know that I'm on my own journey as well. And there are certain things in my life that I still struggle with. Like, sometimes I still have to talk myself into, you know, not eating the ice cream at 9 o' clock at night. I have to talk myself into going to the gym. I don't have to talk myself in to do this.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Right?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Because I think this is my superpower. But also, what if something else is my superpower that I'm. That I need to learn about? And that is called discipline. Right? And that's what we talk about here, is the determination. That's what got you back into battle after your injury. That's what brought you home. There's. There's these moments that you go to a place in your mind and just say, this pain, this suffering is temporary. And if I can make it through this, then I can do something really special.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Willpower and discipline. Some people, like, what is that? What is that what you say? I don't know what that means. Take a cold shower every morning for 30 days. Yeah, every single morning, no matter what. Take a nice cold shower. And you want to know what willpower and discipline is that on day four. Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah. When you're like, bro, dude, I. I did that once. I did that once. It's like, yeah, I did. I did. I did Annie for Salis 75 hard. Right? And so I did the whole. I did the whole. I did the whole live heart. I did a whole year of it. Right. And those cold showers. I mean, let me clarify. I'm a. Okay, because we live. I live in Florida. The water doesn't get very cold.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, sure.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Okay. But.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

But, but it was still cold.

[Morgan Luttrell]

But, yeah, it was still cold.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I'm like, yo, this really sucks. You have to. Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, but if I don't do this, because I said I would, I committed to this. If I don't do this, what else am I going to shortchange? I think that's the last use ice Cream, then use ice cream.

[Morgan Luttrell]

If you can go through taking cold for 30 days, when you're looking at the ice cream, you're like, yeah, but.

[Marcus Luttrell]

If you take the cold shower, eat the ice cream.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Well, wait a second.

[Marcus Luttrell]

How about that?

[Morgan Luttrell]

Oh yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

If it gets hard. If it gets hard. Yeah, it's the reward. Maybe to reward yourself as well. You work hard, you play hard. And then with the gym, I tell people like, hey man, what I want you to do is for two weeks I want you to do one push up and then on that third week, we're going to do two push ups for two weeks, not three or four because it takes more discipline just to do the two. And then every two weeks we're going to add one and you're going to build yourself up over the years. Just do two, just do that. And then after that, if you if the day when you don't want to go to the gym, drive down there, pick up a dumbbell, put it on the rack and leave. Just take your ass in there and pick up the dumbbell and put it on the rack. That's working out. And you committed. You asked, went in there whether it was a shitty workout or not. We cuss on the other.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, you can cuss on my show. Yeah, absolutely.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Who cares? Yeah. Because we all have bad workouts. But at least you went in there. Just do that.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, you made the choice.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Just make a choice because that's when you pass.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, man.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's your body's test in itself.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Right.

[Marcus Luttrell]

So imagine you're looking for this, this kind of realization. Is this working or am I doing anything? And it'll be the day you get up and you don't want to go do that. I get those when I have to do my morning meditation. Breathing. Because it's the easiest thing. Oh, stretching.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, stretch.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I mean it's literally the easiest thing to do on the planet. Do it in front of the TV and just sit down and just kind of reach it down and grab your freaking toe. It won't do it. Yeah, I just won't do it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I'll start tomorrow.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I'll still do it tomorrow. And honestly, that's a man thing.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I think.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Field or do something hard, man.

[Morgan Luttrell]

What is that? Yeah, greatest thing for you. But you cannot talk yourself.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's ridiculous. But just you have to start with baby steps like in order to. I'm breathe. Meditate for over an hour. Now I'd start with five seconds.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

An hour. An hour every day, an hour.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I get up early to make sure I get my entire routine done. And then I go wake the kids up, get their breakfast and get them.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Off to school, man.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I'm standing tall, already done the shower, whole nine yards.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Love that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And I just backed my day up. Like I don't have time to do it. I was like, well, you. Yeah, you do.

[Morgan Luttrell]

When you start putting those kind of successes in your suitcase, they this, they just start coming a lot faster.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, they, they haul, they start hauling ass, man. They show up just because you were willing to do one thing, then something else kind of just starts walking in the door. And you'll notice it quick.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, that's the thing. Because to that point, more opportunities start rushing you when you're doing the things that you said you were doing. Because you put yourself in this energy and this alignment that I believe we're all magnets, right? Like we're spiritual beings. And in those moments, man, when that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Happens, it's the best to check this out, man. Most people don't have. Have problems, man. You got paralyzed by opportunities and that's a good freaking place to be. Like, I hear people complaining like, what the hell you.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's about like, that's amazing.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You're complaining about some good stuff, dad.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It's like, well, I spent the last five years broke and hungry, working as hard as I can and now I can't keep up.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's a blessing.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Write it on the wall.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

So work hard, like, and don't stop. Right? Like, literally commit yourself to it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Finish line in life.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yes.

[Morgan Luttrell]

There is no finish line outside that ever.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, you gotta keep running. But that, but that's where people get it messed up, man. Because they set finish lines in their lives every.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's why we have sports. That's right.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm here.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And that's why we have.

[Morgan Luttrell]

What does here mean to you?

[Marcus Luttrell]

What do you want to take it from here? Because there's always another exit or another ramp. It's like that never ending cycle. Like I said, finish lines are for sports, racing, running races and stuff like that. And that's what we met.

[Morgan Luttrell]

The racing part. It's getting there to it.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah. And then they got to wind up doing it again the next year. So like, it's what, in reality there's not one man and he's got to keep going.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Because that, that conversation happened off air. Right. We weren't recording yet, but the audience hears me talk about all the time. It's like you. The gift is in the journey. It's who you Become in the process of chasing that goal. Because if you don't fall in love with that portion, then when you get there, you have those fall offs. And that's when you told me, Marcus, like, hey, when you hit that reward, you have to have a nice rest. Reset.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Go do something that you want to do. Go on a small trip. Right. Reward yourself and then get back on it.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You have to feed the machine.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I'm terrible at that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You got to feed it. That's like to add it on the list. Like the end game is. It's like a checkpoint that you're on a certain path. You're right. The journey is the whole thing. Like, how did you get like that? I was like, well, I was doing this and then this showed up.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Like when you lift weights and this shows up.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yep.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And what comes with that? Confidence. Like, there's stuff in the body that you get after getting strong that you feel it when you wake up and that's all tight.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And then there's this kind of this, you know, hey, what's up? And this is focus you have and this bravado that goes along with it. And it can go away and you can get it back.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You know what I mean?

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It's a nice little.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You lose it.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You can. Absolutely.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Snatched away to somebody who's been the best at something, like the best in.

[Marcus Luttrell]

The world or something.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And lost it. Fighters and then. But they got it back.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Got it back.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Talk, hear what they have to say about that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

First of all, I had no idea what I had.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Jay Color bodybuilder.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You know, I'm talking about like them guys. Andre Agassiz. Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Agassi, man. His story.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Football players are great at the super bowl champions. And the next year, the. The athletes are great for that. They're freaking great for that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Look, ride that roller coaster, man.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It's business leaders. People lost everything. I lost it all like that. Had you seen that Jerry Jones documentary? $50 million.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

$50 million, bro.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And it hit and they. Now look what I got.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Hey, hey, hey. Almighty will stretch you all the way to the damn edge, man. Let you go back in there.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I'm gonna tell my wife that next time she goes, hey, there's a little too much on this car call. Like, Jerry Jones was $50 million.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Jerry said I could do it this way.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's hysterical.

[Marcus Luttrell]

He said. And then the best stories, the best self help books and the ones we love to hear are that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's not like I was Born. Life was great.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No. That's why everybody loves Rocky.

[Marcus Luttrell]

There you go. American. If you're American, you're Rocky. Yes, that dude. You got to do it that way.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yes. And sometimes, you know, the Russians beating.

[Marcus Luttrell]

The out of you just beat the.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Dog piss in your life and listen.

[Marcus Luttrell]

To some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth. You just, hey, if you're not getting beat up, then you don't get to listen to Rocky music.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, you can't.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And then you can't go do the cool training in the gym with Apollo.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Exactly, exactly.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You need to get. You need to get your ass wheel man, so you can go work out with Apollo.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That one scene where he thought it to this boy, life is hard now.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Oh. Oh, that was. I love that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That was the newest one, right? No, are you talking about these in the street?

[Marcus Luttrell]

In the street with his kid?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, dude, I got goosebumps, bro.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I got goosebumps to feed that one to my tw.

[Marcus Luttrell]

He's standing at the base of the stairs talking to Adrian about being a fighter. Yeah. When Apollo dies, those. Those two. Those. Those alone.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah. I mean, I got body chills right now, man. Like the one that the. The Rocky one. You're talking about the street.

[Morgan Luttrell]

When he said that, I was like.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, go for a walk. I got this off, man. The energy when he.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No, like, listen to that. Because. Because I think there was a. At the beginning of a. Of a song, there was a remix. I think it was. It was Eminem. It was a mix with Eminem, and I think Roy Jones, like, they.

[Marcus Luttrell]

They did it.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Like, the Rocky part was the intro to the song.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Oh, dude, that's called Her Go Home, dude.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No, it's called Can't Be Touched. Yes.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Thank you, Roy Jones.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That album hits harder than anything, dude. When I. I play that one, I really want to go here.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Dude.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yes, yes. But, dude, I'll throw that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That can freaking get it. That song will freak. Are you down? Fired up right now? As I'm saying, go for a run. Fire up for some filet later. Those three songs, man, I'm gonna tell.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You, that song has me thinking. Like, most of Eminem songs, you're a.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Florida boy, too, so.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I'm originally from California.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Okay. Because Roy is.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm originally from California, the San Francisco Bay, But I came up to Florida in 2008. But that specific song, I'm like, man, why can't that song be 25 minutes long?

[Marcus Luttrell]

It should be your theme song for your podcast, man. That's how hard. That's some heads here, man.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

We used to have a theme song. We used to have a theme song.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Everybody has that theme. I was like, yeah, A name on a boat.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, exactly. What's your name on your boat?

[Morgan Luttrell]

You plane.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You on plane. Let's go.

[Morgan Luttrell]

There's certain. Certain things you just need to rent.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Come on. Come on.

[Narrator]

What about you?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Best piece of us. Yeah, I got a boat.

[Narrator]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah. What's it called? St. Peter.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

St. Peter, yeah. Very cool.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

The John boat.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I thought he was your soulmate.

[Morgan Luttrell]

He's got a dinghy.

[Marcus Luttrell]

We got the best piece of advice, man, when it comes to planes and boats. You got a buddy?

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Got a guy.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It's like the cable guy.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You got a guy? Yeah, I got a guy.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I'm not buying that stuff.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Right. He did. And he likes to have friends on it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Things being added to that borrow list as we get older.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, man.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It started out with the planes and boats.

[Marcus Luttrell]

All right, so too.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Talk to me about, you know, as we start winding on time, I want. I want to talk a little bit about today. Present day. Right. Congressman. Second.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Second term. Second term.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Second term, man.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Wow. Second out. I'm retiring.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You're retiring?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Kids, man.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Kids. Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Can't get that time back.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I'm a hardcore term Limous guy.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Okay.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Like, beat you up with it.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Term limits.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Okay, cool.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Which oddly enough, I was.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I was in my district yesterday and all my districts, we grew up in our district. So they were like, why, you know you're leaving? I was like, I'm turbulent. So like, well, then have to be that short of a time. I was like, hey, I'm founding fathers.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yep. That's cool.

[Morgan Luttrell]

But what Margaret just said, my babies, I got eight and I got a 12 year old. And they're moving into.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That pays.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Daddy's gonna be there. Pop that blue line.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yep. Okay.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And that's according to us.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I feel that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

So it's two boys, two sons.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Two sons.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I got two boys and a girl.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Two boys and a girl.

[Morgan Luttrell]

But that's a great time. Congress, don't get me wrong, but.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No, I bet. But it's important to be there for the family.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Right. Overall, I want to be great fathers.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I want to. We want that so bad. To be good dads.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And our boys turn out, which I.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Know they will, better.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I mean, it's like. Because.

[Marcus Luttrell]

So when we put them out to the public, our people, he and I survive off the American people, they put us together after all our helicopter crashes.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And all that graduated high school.

[Marcus Luttrell]

We.

[Morgan Luttrell]

The day we graduated, we were at the house, and dad walks in the living room. He's like, you're 18 years old. You graduated high school. I've given you and taught you everything I know. You can get a job, you can.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Go to college, you can join the.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Military, but you can't stay here.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That was a hard man.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That was the conversation.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah. It wasn't. Because I tell my boys right now, I'm like, when you're 18, after you graduate high school, you have the summer, then you're leaving. But you will go to school. Because I'm a big academic now. Yeah, But I think that was such a profound move from our father, because I can't teach you to be a man any more than I have here.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You're gonna have to learn together out there.

[Marcus Luttrell]

They'll teach you. Yeah, the other men, and. I mean, you would. And the women don't make a good man or break one of them, you know.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Every time, figuring that one out.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Every a.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You know, part of the journey.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Journey.

[Morgan Luttrell]

We're 18, and we don't have to go home.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yes. Let's see if we get ourselves into it. Thank God we were together.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

College got me in a lot of trouble. I play baseball. I play baseball at lsu.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, well, we hung out with all y', all, so.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I mean, yeah, baseball players are crazy.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Rugby player, but you guys are pretty nuts. We're.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

We're different.

[Marcus Luttrell]

We're.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

We're a different breed. We're a different breed. I think rugby players like their own.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Tribes, you know, rugby's, baseball players, football players. It's like, once you get. If you understand them, then they're a lot of fun.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Or close circle.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Rugby is just everywhere.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, man.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

We're very calculated. Not really strategic.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Very strategic.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Tactically strategic.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Tactically strategic. Especially in the bar scene.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

We know how to fish.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

We worked our way through school, and it was.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It was.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It was.

[Morgan Luttrell]

There's something to be said about being broke.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I mean, that's why California.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That's the time to do it.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, absolutely.

[Marcus Luttrell]

In college. Be a broke college.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Hey, when them student loans kick in.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Right. When's that check coming, bro?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, dad, sorry.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, we had to work.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah. We worked our way through. We.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

We weren't allowed to. Because. Yeah, no, we weren't allowed at the.

[Marcus Luttrell]

University, which was clutch. We were lifeguards at the university, plugged in. You know what I'm saying?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

There you go.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Target rich environment.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Like squints from sandlot.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Worked at the great pool. It's great. Good delivery, too. Is on time.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I mean, I try.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I try strategic, strategically tactical.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

It's like I knew was coming.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's it.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

But, yeah, I appreciate you guys coming on. It's been so great. Dude, this has been. This has been fun, man.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I don't.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I don't want to stop, but, I mean, I think people are waiting on us.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Oh, yeah, no, we're getting to look over the show.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I don't know. I just know.

[Marcus Luttrell]

That steak burn yet?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Okay, well, we got. Are you. Are you gonna be able to eat steak?

[Marcus Luttrell]

No, it's. You're looking at it.

[Morgan Luttrell]

The bone broth in front of him, too.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Well, you've been doing the last 45 days.

[Morgan Luttrell]

He's like, I was really good about it.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You know, it was the worst about it was my wife.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Really?

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I was pretty cool about it. I was like, yeah, man, I got it.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

The best is when people would apologize while they're doing. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Are you.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You look happy. You look good. You look really good.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You look sorry. What did she do?

[Morgan Luttrell]

He said she was the worst take scare of him.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I waited.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No, she said she was the worst, bro.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I got trapped on an airplane in New York and they served lasagna and meatballs in there. And then she would, you know, sitting right beside me. She's beside me all the time.

[Morgan Luttrell]

She was just, oh, this is so good.

[Marcus Luttrell]

So good.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, that's so wrong.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Because I would not stare, you know? You stare, of course.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah. It's like.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, your throat's like.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I know what that starts.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Water. Because it can't help but smell. I can't.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Can you remember what it tastes like?

[Morgan Luttrell]

And then it gets more intense because.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You haven't had it. It's like maybe it tastes like something that I have never had before.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I know what you told.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Talk about mind rape starts going on.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, my God.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And then you.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I look at her and she's like, it's good.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Horrible.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And then we were at a charity event one time, and she goes, I didn't get the steak. I got the fish. Because I didn't want to. I didn't want to torture you. And then I'm sitting there watching the fish. She's like. She goes, if you're wondering if it's the best fish I've ever had, it is.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Oh, my God.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

She sounds funny, man.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Great.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That sounds.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's fantastic.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's completely like when they all almighty put her in Front of me. I screwed up a lot of stuff in my life. I was dumbass most of the time growing up. Edge Walker.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

But when they show up.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Wow.

[Marcus Luttrell]

We didn't screw any of that up.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I'm the same way, man. I got blessed.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I screw up a lot, but not that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I out kick my coverage big time.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Absolutely. We got a buddy says he runs out of talent. Yeah, I love that one. We waited.

[Morgan Luttrell]

We waited. We were older.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And there's one and done for us. I w this period. Hey, I'll try. I'll change.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Just to make sure that works.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, I can do it again.

[Marcus Luttrell]

No, no, no, no. I got buddies do that, man. I. That's one ass woman I don't want to.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That's one thing I don't want to.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, I want to do that one.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You know, wake up, wake up every morning, roll over and look her in her face and fall in love with her all again.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Friggin. Keep it like that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I. I wanted. I want to talk about that a little bit more because people that are listening might be having marriage problems right now. This is important.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I always tell myself, because you have issues with marriage, you're just attached to. Remember the. Remember that first.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, this is what we do.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That first couple of months. You got the butterflies in here.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Every time you see him freaking touches you and he touches your hand.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, man. I tell myself, remember that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Remember that.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Don't ever, don't always. Don't ever forget that, man. I can tell you. I was like. Because we ain't easy to get along with at all, but. And they just take care of us and our kids.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Kids, man.

[Morgan Luttrell]

It's like, you know, God is such a. Did such amazing things for us, but like, teammate too.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I love that.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Oh, once they covered down on you for something you didn't see, like a blind spot. Yep, I got a whiff of that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And I was like, you did that for me? Like, that's something my boys would have done. And she stepped up into that and I took some pain.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

That. That is differently for you.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, yeah. That's all in.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Somebody I heard said one time, like, hey, man, if you ever caught anybody talking to your wife the way you do, you wouldn't just beat him up, you'd kill them. And that changed me. And then one I heard, one's like, hey, your marriage is like a weather channel. Awesome updates, like feeding the storm, like keep it at bay. It's like, hey, what's up? What do I need to do? Is There something I can cover down on and what? Because women speak a different language than men. I didn't know that when I got in there. If you'd be in an argument and then the argument would take a different level, like sometimes you're saying the same thing but saying it a different way.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Right.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Then never ever say anything that would change the way she looks at you as a human being. Because men, especially our generation, have a superpower to do that.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, we do.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You come off at the mouth and crush them.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah. Yep.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Like cr.

[Morgan Luttrell]

That's what. You ever drink anything or do anything that makes her feel like you won't protect her?

[Marcus Luttrell]

Man, do you want to lose that?

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah, that is, that's why we get them off. But anyway, we're saying that you trust me, trust me.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You don't want me to speak.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You don't want me to.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Give me, give me, give me, give me a second here.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And we walk this off. I'm going to call one of my.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Boys something and I'll just kind of look at him. Like, not cheap me. Just let me, let me, let me walk this off for a second. May take a couple of days. We'll be good.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

It's got nothing to do with you, but for whatever reason, you're always here and like, I don't know you to your boys. And it wouldn't, it wouldn't even do anything.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Because they're just designed for that. But the women aren't right. Because in the wife thing, they take that very seriously. It changes something in the relationship.

[Morgan Luttrell]

So we know that this is coming from our side. Leslie, man, she. She understands. Hey, this is a two way street. And you're gonna have to receive what I'm sending because I'm going to do the best for you.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

And people that have the rocky relationships, man. Communications is key. Everybody. Now you're talking. Hey, man, when you go to bed at night, roll over. Even if you can't even stand the way that I smell right now. Tell me you love me.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah, they never go to bed. Matt, wait on you. Never.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Never. You know, my, my, my mom taught me that at an early age. Never go to bed mad. Never go to bed mad.

[Morgan Luttrell]

You know I slept on the couch.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yes, but you weren't mad anywhere.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I just don't go to bed.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Just don't go to bed. I'm like, up.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Okay, go to bed.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Second I going to bed.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I think it's important because. Because we're not guaranteed the next day. We don't know if the good Lord is going to wake us up. Like, you're going to go.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Imagine how hard that would hit, like in a fight, and they leave and something happens. Dude, how many movies have been made over that scenario?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I'll do the thousand, bro.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Can't take them back.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Can't take it back.

[Marcus Luttrell]

You didn't want to chew on that kind of grief.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah. You know, one of the things that. That my wife and I do, if we're in a really heated argument, we'll just take a break within the house. None of. Neither one of us will leave. Like, if I leave. If I leave, I'm going outside for a walk.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You know, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna fire up the trx, right. Because. Because that engine would probably trigger something different for her. And to me, I could say, well, I'm just going for a ride. No, no, because we don't know what's gonna happen on that ride.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Okay.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

You know, so I was. It's. Tell me you love me before you go to bed. No matter how we're feeling, no matter.

[Marcus Luttrell]

How pissed you are, always kiss her good night. Yeah.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I'm like, hey, bro, check this. Tell me I'm crazy.

[Marcus Luttrell]

This is.

[Morgan Luttrell]

I'll explain this thing to you. And here comes a different perspective. I'm like, I didn't see it that way. Thank you.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And we got our crew, too. Yeah, I'll call. Hey, man, you've been in this scenario, and. Oh, yeah. I'm like, what did you do? And what would you wish you have done? Yeah, what should I not do? I haven't done anything yet.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

So I'm thinking about doing this.

[Marcus Luttrell]

And then you think. And he'll say something like, all right, you hang up, you call the next guy. Hey, man, this is what I got. And then we get these different perspectives. And that makes you feel better?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Luttrell]

By the time you got it off your chest, come walking in. And then if you screw up. Even if you don't screw up, apologize.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yep.

[Marcus Luttrell]

They love that. It makes everything. Clears the air.

[Morgan Luttrell]

If you were the one that didn't do anything.

[Marcus Luttrell]

Yeah. And apologize, man. I. I say, sorry for stuffing.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Man up.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Man up, dude. Cover that. So I always call my best friend Quinn bro. Yeah, bro, I'm about to lose my. Right now.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Hear me out.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

He goes, oh, no. He goes, but don't, bro. Friends. She don't, don't. He goes, what happened? What am I. What did my buddy do? Because my best friend, my wife, they're. They're like, Identical. They're both Virgos. They both have that same, you know, energy. And they're the most loving people on the planet, and they're there for you. They'll kill for me, but, you know, it's like, he can help me through things if I need something.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Ready to swim by?

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

I was like, hey. Yeah, exactly. It's like, hey, bro, Jackie's doing this, man. That's how I'm perceiving. He goes like, but. No, but from her perspective, bro. Like, think of it this way. I said, bro, whose side you're on? He goes, both of yours. Yeah, like, both of yours. Like, I'm on your side. So I'm telling you this so you don't go do some Sean French. Like, don't mess that up. So it's important, but. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much. Appreciate you guys so much. It's great meeting you. We have a great time this weekend. I mean, let's get some quail hunting. I. I don't. Bro, I've never. I maybe shot a gun once in my life.

[Morgan Luttrell]

Go practice.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

No, that's the thing crashes.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I mean, it looks like quail. Looks like Wedding Crashers didn't.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Wasn't it Vince falling. I got shot in the ass. I don't want to get shot in the ass. No one shoots me in the ass. That's.

[Marcus Luttrell]

I mean, that's close. Anyways.

[Host (possibly a podcast host or interviewer)]

Yeah, I mean, I. I think I trust you with a gun. I think. I'm not worried about y'. All, but thanks again for coming on and for the audience that listen this episode. Share this with somebody you know, love and trust. Maybe with a veteran, maybe with a spouse. We talked about a lot of things in this show, right, guys? And you know, and even that friend or spouse or somebody struggling with how to move forward when things are getting tough. So, you know, here at the Determined Society, we do the hard things in life. And so for all of you out there, until next time, stay determined.

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