Overcoming Failure | How Jake Bostwick Turned Loss Into Resilience

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Why Losing Was Never the End for Jake Bostwick"

The Determined Society with Shawn French | July 20, 2026

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Episode Theme & Purpose

In this episode, host Shawn French sits down with Jake Bostwick—bare-knuckle fighter and former MMA competitor—to explore the realities behind resilience, adversity, and determination. The conversation dives deep into Jake’s upbringing in South East London, his journey through combat sports, lessons from both winning and losing, the nuances of identity and mindset for fighters, and how pain, respect, and rawness shape the athlete's (and person's) path forward.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Life: Tough Beginnings and Violence (01:32–07:37)

• Jake grew up on the rough Ferrier Estate in southeast London, a place so notorious “people would hide that from the resume” to get jobs. (03:01)
• Throughout his childhood, violence was normalized, including fighting adults as a teen.
• “I grew up fighting, grew up around violence in general... it was more just part of the culture I was around.” (03:16, Jake)
• His father played a key role: “My dad would literally take me to go see these kids, older than me... and be like, go on, and you fight my son.” (05:04)
• First foray into combat sports with taekwondo at age 8, then rugby, judo, and ultimately pro fighting.

2. Protector Instinct and a Code Against Bullying (09:41–13:22)

• Jake habitually stood up for the vulnerable, both in childhood and adulthood: “I just feel I’m a protector... I’ve always been one to try and protect or look after.” (10:03, Jake)
• Most school fights were a result of defending others from bullies.
• “Majority of problems I got at school was me either defending or sticking up for somebody.” (13:01, Jake)
• His instinct to intervene is rooted in seeing domestic violence during his upbringing.

3. Combat Sports Career: From MMA to Bare Knuckle (14:43–18:01)

• Jake discusses his transition from MMA (disliking grappling, preferring striking) to bare-knuckle boxing: “With the bare knuckle, you can’t take me down, you can’t run away... you gotta stand there and take punches literally. It’s very raw.” (15:40, Jake)
• MMA record: Over 50 professional fights.
• Bare-knuckle debut in 2020 (“Take it back to Kidbrooke, mate. Take it back to the Ferrier, son...”), and currently nine fights in, passionate about the sport's rawness and honor.

4. Recent Fight Reflections & Fighting Spirit (18:11–23:34)

• Details on a recent 12-minute, fight-of-the-night draw in Philadelphia, which included an extra, unscheduled round. Jake agreed to keep fighting beyond the contract, saying: “Let’s run that, let’s go. I’m already in the ring.” (18:46)
• Dealing with hometown bias: “Everything was against the whole situation... but at the end of the day, it’s still me and him that’s gonna be in there.” (19:50, Jake)
• He focuses more on learning from defeats than savoring wins: “The wins are the wins... but the loss, definitely learn from the mistakes.” (22:17, Jake)

5. Respect, Professionalism, and Identity in Fighting (24:06–25:48, 40:03–45:57)

• Jake maintains respect for opponents: “For me... in the streets or whatever, I’ve had fights, we’ve shook hands and gone separate ways... that’s how you handle business personally.” (24:49, Jake)
• Discusses struggles with identity after fighting stoppages or layoffs: “If I ain’t that [a fighter], then who am I?... I felt I was losing my identity because everyone knows me as Brutal Boswick.” (40:24)

6. Struggles with Management & Marketability (26:38–31:39, 53:55–54:29)

• Jake explains his frustration with previous managers: “Every manager I’ve had I fired because it’s like, you’re not pulling sponsors, you’re not pulling this... why am I giving you a percentage?” (27:16, Jake)
• He admits to underutilizing his own online marketability and brand despite “Brutal” being recognized.
• “I make zero money online... I shouldn’t be, but I still haven’t figured it out.” (54:31, Jake)

7. Vulnerability, Resilience, and Perspective on Loss (71:08–73:49)

• Jake stresses the importance of self-assessment and ownership after defeat: “That’s how I’m going to grow and get better. Is figuring out what I did was nonsense or didn’t work, bro.” (72:09)
• “From the losses and that, like, that is the only place that you will learn. It really is.” (72:36)
• His definition of determination: “Are you willing to throw all your eggs in the basket to pursue something that you want?... you’re either all in or all out.” (73:27, Jake)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On getting up after loss:
  “You either choose to get up or you don’t. I always choose to get up.” – Jake (00:19, 17:00)

• On standing up for others:
  “Even if people I don’t even know, I would normally step it, I just would step just because I just would.” – Jake (10:03)

• On rawness of bare-knuckle boxing:
  “You can’t take me down. You can’t run away... you gotta stand there and take punches, literally.” – Jake (15:40)

• On transitioning and identity:
  “If I ain’t that [a fighter], then who am I?” – Jake (40:24)

• On fighting as a learning process:
  “That is the only place that you will learn. It really is.” – Jake (72:36)

• On the fighting mindset:
  “I’m gonna break both my hands, break my face. Let’s just fight, you know?” – Jake (18:01)

• On respect after battle:
  “I don’t hate you... I’m trying to knock you out, I’ll shake your hand and buy you a pint after if you want.” – Jake (25:14)

• On pain after battle:
  “...the most alive I feel, physically, how the pain I’m in... it is weirdly satisfying.” – Jake (23:34)

Fun/Light Moments

• Jake discusses his love for cats (“I’m a cat man, bro. I’ve got a fat black cat named Salem and a blue tip Siamese named Saint.” 31:59)
• An unexpected shared birthday connection with Shawn and members in the room:
  “I’m October 28th... That’s crazy, three Scorpios, same birthday.” (55:38–56:41)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:32 – Jake’s upbringing & fighting roots in council estate
• 05:03 – How his dad enforced standing up to bullies
• 10:03 – Protector mindset and why he stands up for others
• 13:01 – Most school fights were for defending bullied kids
• 15:40 – The rawness of bare-knuckle fighting
• 18:46 – Accepting extra fight round, “Let’s run that, let’s go.”
• 22:17 – Focusing on losses over wins to learn and grow
• 24:49 – On professionalism and respect in fighting
• 31:59 – Jake’s love for cats, “I’m a cat man, bro.”
• 40:24 – Identity issues when not fighting
• 54:31 – Admits not leveraging his marketability/brand
• 71:08 – Self-assessment and growth after loss
• 73:27 – Jake’s definition of determination

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Resilience isn’t just about winning—it’s about showing up, digging into pain, learning from losses, and getting back up.
• Respect (for self and opponents) is non-negotiable—fighting can be raw, even violent, but it’s the attitude and handling business with class that defines a true professional.
• Identity and self-worth can be precarious for athletes—especially in sports defined by physicality and short windows of fame.
• Marketability and management matter—knowing your value and finding the right support is essential, even (maybe especially) for “self-made” competitors.
• Determination is throwing yourself fully into what you believe in, regardless of setback.

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Final Words of Inspiration

“There’s a special fighter inside every single one of us. But it’s your job to call on that fighter. If you get knocked down, you can’t retreat. You have to get back up and do the things that you know you need to do to get better, no matter what the result on the scoreboard is.”
— Shawn French (74:51)

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Summary prepared for those seeking motivation, actionable mindset shifts, and a truer look behind the headlines into the relentless, often unseen, work of real determination.

Transcript

[Host]

Foreign.

[Jake Boswick]

I've been to battle, you know, like I've, I've had to stand and fight and battle.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Most people when they lose, they stop,

[Host]

they tell themselves the story that maybe this wasn't for them.

[Jake Boswick]

You know, you either choose to get up or you don't. You know, I always choose to get up.

[Host]

A lot of people when they lose something, they go down the rabbit hole

[Jake Boswick]

of I'm just not that good. I lost. Definitely learn from the mistakes. The wins are the win a special

[Host]

fighter inside every single one of us. But it's your job to call on that fighter.

[Jake Boswick]

You got to look at the full picture. How did I mess up? What, what, what did I do wrong? Like what, what could I have done better?

[Host]

Great.

[Jake Boswick]

That's how I'm going to grow and get better. You're at the top, the ladder ball, bro. Like you are busting porg, you know, and then if you are not doing that anymore, then yeah, there's going to be an identity issue there.

[Host]

If you get knocked down, you can't retreat. You have to get back up and do the things that you know you need to do to get better.

[Jake Boswick]

Determination, I think. Are you willing to throw all your eggs in the basket to pursue something that you want and want to take? I think you've either all in or you're all out.

[Host]

Jake Boswick, welcome to the determined society.

[Jake Boswick]

Absolute pleasure, mate. Thanks so much.

[Host]

Absolutely.

[Jake Boswick]

Introduction that dude.

[Host]

I mean I kind of bumbled a little bit of it up but hopefully the editors are, you know, can cut some of it out. But, but man, no, those are, those are hard. But dude, what an amazing background, dude. Like I don't want to start where we're at now though. I want to go all the way back, you know, Southeast London. There was a teenager losing fights before the knockouts and all that kind of stuff. What was he actually chasing?

[Jake Boswick]

I don't even know what he was chasing, bro. It was just again, the area was from southeast London. A lot of dramas, a lot of problems. Like I grew up fighting, grew up around violence in general anyway, and then it was just one thing led to the next, getting into the gym. You know, I started doing taekwondo when I was like 8, 7, 8, 9 years old. My dad used to take me there and I was a very active kid. You know, I was playing rugby and very contact sports and you know, I had that young man energy, you know. And then, yeah, you know, a lot of drums in the streets, a lot of problems here and there. I was fighting adults like grown ass men. When I was, you know, a little jit mate, like a teenager, like. Yeah. And then one thing led to another, mate, you know, I'm over 50 professional fights in now. I can control my anger, I can control. When I flick that switch, I'm always got a smile on my face until I don't have to. And you know, it's a very different story then, you know.

[Host]

Yeah, absolutely. So you, you grew up in the farrier estate, right?

[Jake Boswick]

Up on the Ferrier estate. Yeah. Southeast London.

[Host]

And, and that right there, like I, this is what I've heard. I don't know, you fact check it for me is people would hide that from the resume so they could get a job because it had a poor reputation, very bad.

[Jake Boswick]

So we call them council estates.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

So if you're, you know, got no money or whatever, you know, and you, you just bumming off the government, you just get given somewhere to stay, you know, as such, obviously my dad was working and so forth, my mum wasn't. And then, yeah, I grew up on the Ferrier. Yeah, very rough, rough area again. I grew up with it, so it was more just part of the culture that I was around, you know. But then, you know, you see a lot of, you know, drugs and fighting, violence, no stuff outside pubs, this, that and the other. And yeah, it was, it was, it was a bad spot. And you can even look it up now, it's completely changed. You know, there's. They completely ripped the whole of the Ferrier down and now they've built it up to be something that is, that is that it wasn't. You know, some of the penthouses up there are like, almost like a million. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Host]

Wow. So the, the, the complexion of that area changed quite the whole.

[Jake Boswick]

But even, even where I grew up, even where I was born, Greenwich Hospital. Okay, even that's not there anymore. That's been completely derelict. That's it, sorry. Been smashed down and now it's like a massive health and fitness spot. Actually, my mum works there now. She gave birth to me there and there is a whole new thing, you know, 30 odd years later.

[Host]

Well, that's cool.

[Jake Boswick]

My mom actually works in there now, which is quite crazy.

[Host]

You know, it's, it's. You mentioned something about your upbringing. You said it was just the way it was, it's just how it, you know, you were born into as a culture. Did that give you the edge?

[Jake Boswick]

It definitely gave me now I was bullied, you know, I had people pick on me and you know, I remember crying, being scared or whatever, and people pick on me. And I even remember telling my dad, again, this is the lifestyle, you know? So it was like, I'm telling my dad, oh, this kid was doing this, doing that, and that was like, yeah, let's go see him. So my dad would go take me to these kids.

[Host]

Oh, wow.

[Jake Boswick]

And make me confront them, you know, And I end up probably giving them a slap or whatever or fighting these kids. That happened quite a few times, but they would be there and blah. Look, there'll be a bunch of. I'm always like, I was always on my own or with a couple friends, but no one was really about fighting. And I had people picking or trying or starting something. Tell my dad that was like, yeah, let's go see him then. And my dad would literally take me to go see these kids, older than me, bigger than me, and be like, go on, and you fight my son. But my dad's there now to make sure that it's going to run smooth.

[Host]

Yeah, of course.

[Jake Boswick]

And I would literally stand and have scraps in front of me, old man. Like, let me fight these kids now that are trying to pick on me. Wow. And I'd get my way back there, you know, meet me after school. I know a bunch of kids meet me up, wanting to, like, jump me off to school or something. I let my dad know. My dad would come meet me. He'd be waiting, hide around the corner, and he would come meet me. And it'd be just me and my dad. Where's the kids at then? So many times happened in the movie theater. I'm in the movie theater, maybe 10, 15 kids. There may be six to 10 rows down in front of me. And I see him saying stuff and whatever. They was going to do this and do that. So I call my dad, let him know, yo, there's a bunch of kids here. I think they're going to, like, try and jump me, you know, when I come out, they would meet me. Me and my being. My pups become funny. Right, boys, who wants to fight my son? Then one on one, you can fight them all. Like you. You could. All of you can fight my son. But one at a time, one at a time. And nobody. And they would never want to do it. Bro stuff.

[Host]

Because that. That's crazy.

[Jake Boswick]

Crazy. Yeah, I know. Because you're strong in a group, but. Right, you know, right.

[Host]

But they're like, hold on a second. This. This dad saying, like, hey, you can find my son. You can all get a turn.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, it literally was like that. So that's what I know.

[Host]

Why do you think they, why do you think they said no?

[Jake Boswick]

Because I'd, I'd. I'd give it to him, mate, you

[Host]

know, because that, because that scared them. Yeah, like, oh, he's like, go for it.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, you can find my son. Yeah. Honestly, bro, like, he's sitting right there. We tell you, like, it's crazy, man. It was, it was like that, you know, and then, yeah, just one thing led to another with, you know, a lot of the violent stuff from, from a jit, you know, then going to like judo and, you know, again rugby and all these contact sports. And I then obviously had my debut fight when I was like 16. Obviously legal rules. You had to be 18. You could head.

[Host]

Yeah. You lied about it.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, my first five fights were technically underage, illegal. You know, I had to change my date of birth and my contract.

[Host]

I love it.

[Jake Boswick]

Um, and yeah, like, yeah, my debut, I was 16, I was at school doing my, my GCSES, my exams. I thought a 23 or 24 year old man, 6 foot 4 was my debut. You know, I knocked him out cold in like nine seconds and that was it. Boom. That just was like, I could do this for a living. That's pretty cool. And that literally is. I'm here now, you know.

[Host]

Yeah, you sat down in your, in your little. Was it rage cage or Cage Rage?

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, Cage Rage contenders. Yeah, I thought a Cage Rage contenders wonder. That was my debut. Wow. I fought Cage rage contenders like 2, 3, 5, 7. Like I was like every couple months. Like I was. I was fighting, fighting, fighting. And then eventually got. My dream was to fight at Cage Rage, the main cage rage, which is like the, the big, the big deal. And When I was 19, 18 or 19, I had my debut for Cage Rage at Wembley arena and Ken Shamrock was on the same fight card.

[Host]

No way.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, bro. So that's pretty legendary.

[Host]

That's nuts, dude.

[Jake Boswick]

Shamrock was on it. And Ken Shamrock's son was fighting a guy from. He was fighting a guy from London shoot fighters.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

Big renowned gyms where obviously I'm sure I heard of like Lee Murray and stuff back in the day.

[Host]

He.

[Jake Boswick]

That's, that's where they was London shoot fighters. So. So Ken Shamrock, some folks home from there and I'll see. Yeah, I thought a fellow called John Phillips, who's now. He was in the ufc, actually now fights at bkfc.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

He's a savage Welsh fella and they're calling the White Mike Tyson. He froze bombs, mate. Like, yeah, he's savage you know, so it's wild, man.

[Host]

That's wild.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

So that's a pretty interesting. I mean I remember, you know, being a kid and you know, walking out of school and you know, somebody wanting to jump us. Yeah, we ran our asses off.

[Jake Boswick]

I was gone. Yeah, come on in. Breath.

[Host]

I was, you know, and just like you, you know, I, I didn't grow up in the best area. Right. I'm from the San Francisco Bay, about 45 minutes east of San Francisco. And there was a lot of bloods around, right. You know, and you know, I go back and look at it. We went back to California a couple years ago for the summer. I took my wife, my three kids and I'm like, this is where I live. I'm like looking around, I'm like, dang, like, wow, dad, you grew up in the ghetto. I'm like, if you. This is a ghetto compared to where you're living.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah,

[Host]

different. And there's. I said, guys, there's worse places here in, in this area than this neighborhood. But, but it's just always interesting because when I was, when I was reading into you, you obviously have said many times that you fought a lot when you were a kid, but you also stuck up smaller than you that were getting bullied.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, that was a big thing, man.

[Host]

Where did you learn that code, man?

[Jake Boswick]

I don't know, it's like, I don't know like whether it's just like I'm. I just feel I'm a protector, you know. I have seen a lot of. I saw a lot of violent stuff with my mum, you know, and ex boyfriends and stuff like that, you know. So I've always been one to try and protect or look after. And now I know I can, especially now carry a gun and everything. I can fight, I can shoot, I can do anything and everything, you know. So me as a protector in general, I just feel like it's in my DNA the same as my father, you know, it's just like we are both like that if someone's getting, you know, something's going on. It's like two on one situation. Like even if people I don't even know, I would normally step it, I just would step just because I just would.

[Host]

So it's still that way.

[Jake Boswick]

I'm still like that? Yeah, yeah, I'm still like that. Like, yeah, I don't like seeing anyone being like taken advantage of or you know, bullied in, in any way, shape or form. You know, I remember kids like getting robbed at school or like some Kids were trying to rob someone at school.

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[Jake Boswick]

And they'll come in and they're all scared. I'm like, what? And I'll go out, run after them, I'll chase them, I'll beat the shit out of them. Like, you know I did.

[Host]

That's awesome. No, it's awesome because.

[Jake Boswick]

No, don't. Yeah, I hate that.

[Host]

You know the kids that are getting bullied, man, those are. I mean, they're. They're typically scared.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, of course.

[Host]

Right? They're scared and they don't know what to do, you know, and, and to have somebody like you come and help them. I mean, dude.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. Majority of problems I got at school was me either defending or sticking up for somebody. And then I'd end up having a fight with someone, head biting someone or saying at school. And it was all because this kid was getting bullied by these kids that a couple years older. And then I was the one to step in and go fight me then now go bang. I let them Be like, fight me. And the kids are all older than

[Host]

me, you know, so now when those people see you and they see what you're doing, it makes sense to them because you were busting their skulls back

[Jake Boswick]

in grade school, back in the day, mate, that's crazy.

[Host]

We touched on it when we in the intro, but MMA is one of the hardest sports on the planet.

[Jake Boswick]

100 not tough enough for you? It was just different, you know, like,

[Host]

that's a nice way of saying it.

[Jake Boswick]

It's just different. Like, for example, I've had 30 MLA fights. I have one rear naked joke win, okay? I don't want to try and choke you out, don't want to try and snap your arm, don't want to hit you with a triangle choke or an arm triangle. I want to punch you, drop elbows, you know, stand up on my feet and trade or take you down, get on top of you and lay in, light on your. Lay in on you. But the taking off the gloves aspect and moving from the MMA to the bare knuckle, and for me as well, I enjoyed because boxing is its own thing, from MMA to boxing, and my style in MMA to then the transition from that to boxing was a huge jump. And I respect boxing on such a level, you know, for these people that are super slick and now to box, box like that is an art of its own. Mma. Yes. You can have a bit of everything and a bit of everything and still win fights, you know, decent ish wrestling, you know, to defend takedowns and so forth, you know, have a little bit of hands and some kicks. But with boxing, all you've got is these.

[Host]

Yep.

[Jake Boswick]

And with the bare knuckle, it's the same aspect. You've only got these, but like, I'm hitting you with a hard object, I'm getting hit with a hard object. You can't take me down. You can't run away, you can't do anything. You got to stand there and take punches literally. So for me, the bare knuckle. And I've had a lot of street fights, you know, me and my dad, the same thing. Used to work the doors, used to do a lot of bouncing, like every two weeks, mate, it's like sleeping someone on the door. Like, it was, it was, it was, it was a lot of violence, man. And yeah, the fact that that's all you can do and like learning footwork and understand how to actually defend yourself with just your hands, knowing that I can't grab you or necessarily take you down or so forth, all it's all footwork and that, and, yeah, you gotta stand and exchange, you know, it's just so, so different and it's very raw.

[Host]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you're talking about a situation where you can't run from.

[Jake Boswick]

Yep.

[Host]

That's what you prefer. Yeah, I want to be in it.

[Jake Boswick]

Yep.

[Host]

If we're gonna engage, let's engage.

[Jake Boswick]

We're in it. We're in a deep end, mate.

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Let's.

[Jake Boswick]

Let's go out and see who comes out on top. So you.

[Host]

So you. The thing was with mma, you didn't like grappling.

[Jake Boswick]

It was the grappling aspects. And, like, I had a lot of losses due to submissions and, you know, people just grinding it out on top of me, and it's like, bro, let's go up and fight. Like, this isn't fighting, you know, and it was. It was very frustrating. I had a, you know, a couple losses that shouldn't have been losses. Referee stepping in. Like, I got clipped, like, dropped or whatever, and I'm still scrambling. And the referee stops the fight. I'm like, I'm fighting. I'm. I'm fine. I literally standing up, like, my last MMA fight, completely just like. Yeah, I got completely robbed of it, you know? And from then on, I lived up. I was like, f this, F that threw my gloves. I was like, I'm done with this MMA stuff. That was back in 2018. I lit. I remember it all. That was in Detroit, Michigan.

[Host]

That wasn't that long ago.

[Jake Boswick]

No, it weren't.

[Host]

No.

[Jake Boswick]

And then I was like, I'm done with this, you know? So then went to boxing boots and got boxing, you know, I had my debut boxing fight. Completely ruptured my bicep tendon from both ends, you know, I kept fighting, though, and scored a draw with one arm, which was pretty cool. Yeah. Obviously, there was no quit.

[Host]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jake Boswick]

And then. And then the bare knuckle thing was becoming more of a thing, right? And I was like, man, like, I like that. So I take it back to. Take it back to Kidbrooke, mate. Take it back to the Ferrier, son, you know? And then, yeah, I had my debut for bare knuckle in 2020 against Tyler Vogel. And, you know, I'm. I'm. I'm nine bare knuckle fights in there, and I'm not going anywhere, anywhere anytime soon. I love. I love it. I love the sport. I love way represents. I love. Just love the rawness of it. And a lot of people talk about, you know, want to fight or being bare knuckle and. But like they are mate. And people get hit with nothing and like fall over and I'm like, bro, what? Like, it, it really jars me. But like, and you've got people like myself and my last opponent and like even there's a bunch of guys I fought that, you know, as tough as I am, but like, we'll go out on their shield, mate, cut, blood, this, that and the other. You get knocked down. There's no free knockdown rule. You know, you either choose to get up or you don't. You know, I always choose to get up. Like I'll go out until I'm either sleeping or physically. The doctor has to stop it due to a bad cut or so.

[Host]

Right.

[Jake Boswick]

Of course I'm in the fight. I signed the contracts. Like, I'm gonna break both my hands, break my face. Let's just fight, you know?

[Host]

Yeah, I mean, I mean you brought up your, your fight with Russell, you know.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

That was what, six days ago?

[Jake Boswick]

No. Yeah, literally six days ago.

[Host]

Like full out draw, 25 minutes.

[Jake Boswick]

You know, it was a. They're free, the five twos, 12 minutes. Okay, so it was 10 minute fight. But then we got the additional and it wasn't even in the contract. So when the, when it was taking a while, I was like, I don't know, when I was going, I was like, I wonder if they're going to give us like a draw right now and see if they, you know. And I think because, because the fight was obviously super exciting. There was like, we want more of it.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

You know, and then obviously they asked me, you, you want to do another round? I'm like, yeah, bro, let's run that. Let's go a minute now. Yeah, you didn't. Of course.

[Host]

Well, any competitor.

[Jake Boswick]

No, it doesn't matter. Like, we're fighting. I'm not going to be like, oh no, and take the dub. Because I could have realistically been smart and being like, nope and said no and the fight would have been a draw and it wouldn't have been a loss on my record.

[Host]

Right.

[Jake Boswick]

But no, I chose to say, yeah, bro, let's fight it out and do another two minutes. And they still obviously gave it to him. But I'm in the fight, let's fight. That's why I'm there. I'm already in the ring. Let's go.

[Host]

Well, I'm here, right? Might as well keep throwing 100. That's the thing that's like what you like about it. Be honest that I'm here, I'm Trading with you. I mean, you get an opportunity, you do another two minutes. Just judging from the first 25 minutes of this conversation, you're like, man, let's go.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, exactly.

[Host]

It shouldn't have happened though, right? It wasn't in the contract. No, it was part of it. Unfair.

[Jake Boswick]

So the only part of it. It's not that, the fact that it wasn't in the contract. It is what it is. I look forward to seeing what I get in my check, you know, I look forward to seeing what the, what the difference is going to be for that extra round. And, you know, we got to fight the night bonus and so forth. So I'm still waiting on that to see what's up there. Should be this week,

[Host]

but.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, I forgot what I was even going to.

[Host]

I was just asking you if it, if it was. If that part of it was unfair.

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, sorry. That was it. My bad. The only part of it, I feel it was unfair, obviously, you know, I'm on his turf. I'm fighting him. He missed weight. Like there was so many. Everything was against the whole situation, you know, like he wanted to fight. He called the shots. I go over to Philadelphia to fight you in front of your people. I'm getting booze coming at like I am an outsider, mad outsider. And I'm like, I don't give a. Because the end of the day it's still me and him that's going to be in there. I can hear and people can shout, do whatever. But the fact, you know, I scored a solid knockdown in the second round, clean as day, you know, so that was a 10, 8 round solid. You know, I still find it hard to really score it up to how they scored it. Do I feel that he had a hometown favorite favoritism to it? Yeah, you know, that's why they gave it the extra round and so forth. And even the last round, you know, I was finishing up strong with that and they still obviously gave it to him. You know, it's definitely a fight I need to. I feel needs to definitely be run back. Yeah, not in Philadelphia. I won't even do it in Miami if they don't want it. We'll do it somewhere completely like neutral from both of us. I don't care. But I definitely think that me and him have got to definitely do that again.

[Host]

Rematch.

[Jake Boswick]

100 coming. And at the end of the day, mate, it's a. It was a fighter night. Like you could co. Main event. Main event that anywhere and everyone is going to be electric, you know, like the Fight's an absolute banger.

[Host]

So, you know, you mentioned that you, you knocked him down clean second round. You were so close. Just being that close frustrate you even more?

[Jake Boswick]

It does. Especially I knocked him down. And I see Harry was getting up and he's getting up, like he got up, he's on his hands and that, and he was like, you see, he was like, I rocked his shit.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

And I was like inside, I was like, oh, my goodness. And then, you know, he dug the ad. Tough cookie, like completely. You know, hats off to him. He was a tough dude. I hit him with some clean stuff. But yeah, man, it was, it is very frustrating. But the fact that I scored the knockdown helps me in my favor to know that. Okay, cool. Like, I'd done more damage, you know, he hit me with some shots that, you know, hurt me, but nothing knocked me down. I'm still in the fight. You wouldn't even know that you necessarily rocked me or anything, you know? But yeah, the outcome definitely pissed me off a bit. Mike.

[Host]

That's crazy.

[Jake Boswick]

It's still annoying, but I mean, I

[Host]

bet, you know, so that that loss ended a five match win streak. Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, literally.

[Host]

So here's a tough question.

[Jake Boswick]

Ask me.

[Host]

Do you focus more on the five wins in a row or do you focus on the loss?

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, the loss. Definitely learn from the mistakes. The wins are the wins. Like my last two bouts, it's like I cracked a dude and knocked him down great. But like, what I learned from that? Nothing. And even I even said to my pups and my coach, like, my last two fights, I was expecting, you know, my last fight was a fight, it was an actual fight and I haven't had one of them in a, in a little minute, you know.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

So for me, it was like the last two previous fights to this was like, wouldn't say easy, but it was like, it was light work.

[Host]

It wasn't like that.

[Jake Boswick]

No, I got, I got barely touched. I got super unscathed. No marks. My hands were good. And yeah, I stopped the guys and. And they, you know, they, they couldn't continue. And it's like, okay, well, I didn't have a fight, you know, Whereas this last fight I was like, yeah, I had a punch up, mate. I had a good scrap. And it's. I'm telling my dad, it's like, it's the mo. And especially in pain as well. After the fight, I come out, I sit down, I'm in a change room, I'm like. And I'm like, I Have to say this is like the most alive I feel physically, how the pain I'm in, my face, my lips are swollen, my ears are swollen, everything sore my body. And I'm like. Like, we had a fight, man. And it is weirdly satisfying, you know,

[Host]

because I'm looking at your face and we were talking about it before we hopped on camera. You're like, oh, man, I'm actually healing pretty good for six days. That's quick.

[Jake Boswick]

No, it's nothing. Yeah, that.

[Host]

That's really quick, dude.

[Jake Boswick]

I mean, I've had worse, but. But this is like. Yeah, it's been a breeze. Like, the stitches are dissolvables. They're like, almost done. Yeah, looks like I've got a bit of mascara on the eyeshadow. Whatever you want to call it. Hey, whatever you're into, bro, I'm still pretty, you know, I mean, yeah, my heels on shit to you because I.

[Host]

I know what you're capable of. No, man. Do you guys have common respect between each other?

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, me and him was super, super professional. Like, for me, like, for example, there was a dude on that same fight card, you know, he's known for throwing cannolis around, you know, literally frying food. And it's like, I'm not a infant. Like, I'm not one to go in and try and you can sell a fight and stir it, but I'm not here frying food like a child, you know, He's a nice dude and I'm not like disrespecting the dude. Like, it's a gimmick. It's a little gimmick. That's just not me and how I function. I'm very like, even again, even down to like in the streets or whatever. I've had fights, we've shook hands and gone separate ways, like, and I've had done that many a times. And for me, that's just. I feel that's how you handle business personally.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

So the fact that he was, you know, he was like, that was super, you know, respectful of me and who I. Who I was and what I bring to the table. We shook hands beforehand, we had a good fight, we shake hands after. It's all mutual respect. The end day is business. You know, I'm a competitor, he's a competitor. We're both going to try and win. I don't hate you or he's not like insulted my mother or my father and it doesn't matter. I'm going to go and fuck my ass. I'm trying to knock you out, I'll shut your hand and buy you a pint after if you want. You know what I mean?

[Host]

That's pretty cool.

[Jake Boswick]

That's just that to me is professionalism and I'm, I'm very professional in that aspect. I've never, just never been one to talk and stir it up. Like if I'm on a fight card, you know full well you get in fireworks, I don't need to sell it and throw food in your face to try and make it more entertaining.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

You know what I mean?

[Host]

How often do you fight? How long between fights?

[Jake Boswick]

It really varies. Honestly, this year has been super active for me. You know, I fought in blood for blood May 6th. You know, I got a stoppage win prior to that, towards the end of the year. Can't remember when I fought Leo Carrera. I fought Leo Carrera and then whatever, it was like some yard months later. And then I fought obviously May 6th and obviously just a quick turnaround obviously for this July 3rd, you know, I had, I was unscathed, no injuries. So they called me up, joined the opportunity. They're kind of doing like America versus England. I was like, yeah, let me represent, love. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. You know, so yeah, but you know, I try and get at least a few in a year, but I've had years where I get like one fight and you know, they don't put me on a fight card and it's like, you know, I'm always asking for fights and so forth. Again, I've been a single man doing it, whereas now, you know, I'm with all in management, shout out to the team and that, you know, they're definitely going to be pushing and pursuing way get me way more active other little gigs, side deals and other little things, you know. Yeah, I want to be active, you know.

[Host]

So did you start working with all in this year?

[Jake Boswick]

Literally so recent. Literally just before this fight, pretty much.

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[Jake Boswick]

Papers. Soup in the.

[Host]

Oh, that's gonna be cool, man.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. Because I know Vic and stuff. Like he trains with Kevin Gleason, my boxing coach.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

My boxing coach has actually got a gym like in his warehouse. It's like the new setup. So like I see Vic all the time and it's super cool and he's never pressed me like, oh, when you're gonna sign me or anything. You know, we. We'd had a, a mutual chitchat about it and I've always been uman and ah in because every manager I've had I fired because it's like, you know, you're not pulling sponsors, you're not pulling this like nothing's really happening. Like, why am I giving you a percentage over this? For what?

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[Host]

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[Jake Boswick]

and I've always been like that. So then I've always fired every manager I've had and I try and do it on my own. But when you're a one man army trying to do that, it's, it's hard, you know, like my last couple fights, I should be making way more money and I haven't. So now I'm like, all right, listen, I need, I need, I need the help and everyone sees the, you know, the potential in me and what I bring to the table. So it's like, let's start getting me some like, good deals and make some real money now.

[Host]

You know, I'm gonna be very vulnerable right now, bruv.

[Jake Boswick]

Say and do have you, please.

[Host]

You just helped me come to terms with something that I have been struggling with for the last Year, I hope

[Jake Boswick]

I'll click flick the switch for you.

[Host]

That the whole management thing. You fired every manager. When people like us that are independent have a brand manager or have someone like that, you know, I mean, agents are different. You know, my agency is great. I'm with caa. Shout out to Inez Maza's great. But when you have a brand manager, I cannot tell you how many times. And even in my own personal experience, they talk about how great you are and what they can do for you, and then the moment they get the opportunity,

[Jake Boswick]

where is everything that you just don't?

[Host]

Right. Like, what. Why is it all of a sudden so hard to sell me when you were selling me on, selling, sending me to me? Exactly. Like, I get it. But no, it's it again. And I'm not. Yeah, but I'm not beating any of them up. Right. I'm just saying, like, obviously, that's a thing.

[Jake Boswick]

It is.

[Host]

You know, I thought it might have been personal. I thought maybe something was wrong with me or something. You know, maybe I'm not doing something right. But it. But it seems to be a thing.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

And it's interesting because I think there's a lot of independence, whether it's fighters or just creators in general that are struggling with that. So.

[Jake Boswick]

Because, you know, I've got a solid brand. Like, Brutal is my brand. You know, I've got a Brutal llc, Brutal Industries. Like, I am Brutal, but everyone knows me. People call me by Brutal. Like, I'm known for that. And, yeah, it's like, the concept of it and who I am, what I represent, you know, I am a protector. You know, I'm always trying to put the right direction for like. Like younger. The younger generation, you know, like, stay hard in the gym, you know, don't be doing this, don't be doing that. You know, it's all about discipline and, you know, like, be the best version of yourself and so forth. And I feel who and what I am and what I represent is a. Is a. Is a good niche, you know? Yeah, I'm tough and hard and, like, yeah, I'll smash up everyone in this room if I have to.

[Host]

I just hope you don't have.

[Jake Boswick]

I will never have to.

[Host]

Leave me out of it because, you

[Jake Boswick]

know, we're cool, man.

[Host]

You know, but, Oscar, let me do.

[Jake Boswick]

You know, but it's like, you know, but, like, again, it's like, you know that just being able to flick the switch to be able to do so. But other than that, man, I'm all smiles, I wear My heart on my sleeve, you know, I love my cats and I'm. Yeah, I'm all nice. I'm a cat man, bro.

[Host]

No way.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, bro.

[Host]

What kind of cat?

[Jake Boswick]

I've got a fat black cat. It's just a fat black.

[Host]

That's a good breed, you know?

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. His name's Salem and I have a blue tip Siamese name. Saint and Salem.

[Host]

I've had one cat in my whole life.

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, really?

[Host]

It was one of those Persian cats.

[Jake Boswick]

Okay. Beautiful, though.

[Host]

Amazing. Yeah, I named them Cartman from South Park.

[Jake Boswick]

Cartman, yeah. That's awesome.

[Host]

I'm a dog guy, though.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. No, I get my pups with a dog guy. Like, it's just for me, a lot of traveling, a lot of this, a lot of that. Dogs just need way more maintenance. I believe my cat, for a couple days, they can have food, water, they got their toilet mate. Do you know what I mean? So for me, it's just again, not the convenience, but just cats are just. It's a different love. And I've had cats in my life since I was like nine.

[Host]

Well, that. You have to earn their love. Like. Yeah, it's not like. Like a dog.

[Jake Boswick]

Like, it's different. Yeah, it's very different. You get. You get a different bond with. With a dog just because they're just bigger and more into you. Just like, you know, you're going out, you play fetch, do this, do that, going on walks and so forth. But with the cat, same thing. I come home, the cats were over me, like, yeah, that's awesome. It's like animals in general, man. Just.

[Host]

I want to back up, though, because you said toilet. You said toilet when you're talking about a cat.

[Jake Boswick]

Okay, yeah, the toilet, like the litter box room.

[Host]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not making fun of the way you speak.

[Jake Boswick]

Okay?

[Host]

I'm not. I'm dumb, but I'm not that dumb. I'm. I'm asking, are you saying your cat goes in the toilet? Not in a little.

[Jake Boswick]

No, no. It goes in a little box. I haven't potty trained them. I know, I know people have done that. I know. And honestly, it's not that difficult. And it makes so much sense how they do it. It's really simple. Have you seen how they do it? How they do?

[Host]

Well, there was a thing on shark tank, a while city kitty or something.

[Jake Boswick]

Honestly is really basic. So literally, imagine putting a litter box inside of the toilet bowl area and then remove it and then eventually it gets smaller. So that's what it is in his layers.

[Host]

Wow.

[Jake Boswick]

And then they have like litter in the whole thing. And then there's a hole in the center and there's litter around the outside. And then it gets wider, wider, wider to the point where there isn't no litter. And they jump up on the toilet and pee and poop in straight into the bog.

[Host]

Here's an interesting thing. I heard there's an issue though, with that. Like, they bring some bacteria and it's not good for the humans. I don't know. I mean, I don't have a cat. I'm not.

[Jake Boswick]

I'm not gonna.

[Host]

Man, we're in the weeds, huh? That's great. You know, the conversations are like that. Then we circle back around. We just. We do this. Yeah, that's cool, though. Cats. Interesting. Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

Cats are cool, man.

[Host]

What are their names?

[Jake Boswick]

Saint and Salem. Satan.

[Host]

Salem. Okay. I knew Salem, but not saying. Yeah, so Saint is. So Saint. Is he the Siamese?

[Jake Boswick]

He's the size. Okay. Yeah, cool, cool. They're both super cool, man.

[Host]

That's awesome. Yeah. How old are they?

[Jake Boswick]

Salem must be, I think nearly seven or eight. I think it might be nearly eight. I'd have to really do my digging. About eight. And Saint must be six and a half, seven.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. I had. I had two cats back in London with my mum and they lived to like 19. They were like. They. Yeah, they lasted a nice little while and same thing. There were two tabby cats, Tilly and Rosie and Rosa. Yeah. And yeah, they were just adorable. And that was me. Yeah, that was my first ever. Two cats from young and then. I just love cats and.

[Host]

Well, hey, that's awesome. I don't dislike them. No, I don't dislike them, but I just don't like doing the litter box thing.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. Again, it's a. It's a preference for me, it's pretty simple. But, you know, for others they're like, you know, I use like little crystals rather than the clumping stuff. Again, man, it's just like a little scoop, scoop, done. And I've had the electric stuff. I've tried this, tried that. I just manually, like if I'm at home, man, just scoop, scoop. It's just like.

[Host]

Then. See ya.

[Jake Boswick]

Easy.

[Host]

Yeah, Conversation's dynamic, man.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know, this is.

[Jake Boswick]

Talk about punch people in the face and talk about scooping up cat.

[Host]

But. But no, that's why. But. But that's the. That's the cool part about it.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

I would have never thought you were a cat guy. I would Think like, this motherfucker's got like a pits are great.

[Jake Boswick]

Beautiful.

[Host]

Oh, my God. They're like nanny dogs. They're amazing. I figured you'd have one of those like scary mastiffs. Like, I don't even know what they're called, but they're just. They look like, mean. But anyway, I digress. The first time as a bare knuckle fighter, when your fist landed flesh on someone's skull, what did that feel like? What was your body telling you at that time?

[Jake Boswick]

Honestly, I was a bit like it. I'll tell you what, the. My first experience, what I genuinely remember from that, not even my fist, but it was me getting hit. And as you mentioned it to one of your boys earlier, I remember getting jabbed. Just a jab. And it got jabbed in the mouth and it completely, like ripped my lip open. And I was like. And it felt like, hard. Like it was hard. And I remember being like, yo, like, this is different.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

And I remember I exchanged some shots and I remember land some clean punches. And it did. It kind of reminded me of like back in the day, street fighting.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

When you'd hit someone super clean, like hard shot, you wouldn't feel it, but it would be like connection, bing. And it would like rock them up, you know. I do remember that, Sensei. That was back in 2020, you know.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

So I've had. No, I've had a bunch since that.

[Host]

You've been hit a bunch of times since?

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, I've had a lot of punches.

[Host]

Wow, man.

[Jake Boswick]

I'm pretty blessed. I've had brain scans and that I remember the first time back in 23 was my first ever, like, MRI with and without contrast on my brain. And I was actually a little nervous because.

[Host]

Because I've had.

[Jake Boswick]

So I've taken. I've been doing this since 2006 was my debut fighting.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

And I've sparred, you know, I've had them dog fights in the gym, mate with some tough people. Like, I've sparred with everyone, mate, like anyone and everyone you'd think of, I've done rounds with. And I'm like, I hope my brain's good, you know?

[Host]

Well, that was one of my questions to you.

[Jake Boswick]

It's like, okay, I'm smart with sparring now though.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

I'm really smart with sparring now. Like, if I'm doing something, it's never anything crazy. I don't take real much damage in the gym anymore. Like, I haven't my last. My last three fights have had no Sparring, literally.

[Host]

I didn't spar really because one of my initial thoughts were like, I wonder what his relationship with the brain long term.

[Jake Boswick]

Like, how does he go to that factor? Which makes me nervous because majority of the damage and stuff is done is in the gym, mate. And it really is. And I've seen people prime example fellow called Joe Beltram, you know, respect his dude mate. You know, I feel for him. But like he speaks like this now and it's like I remember him a few years back training in the gym and in the gym, bro, he's getting lit up punches to the head. And I'd even tell inspiring. Part of the people I knew would be like, like, yo, stop hitting him in here. Like him in the body. Like, it's just like watching it made me feel sick. It's like the like, bro, just header in a football, you're killing brain cells, let alone blows. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And you see it and I've seen it and it literally makes me feel uncomfortable, man.

[Host]

Is it just the. The repeatable. It's just the repeating over and over and over.

[Jake Boswick]

You're kidding. Brain. Every time, bing, bing. That cell was just boom, boom, boom. The inflammation on the brain and this and that. And then you're gonna have issues with this later and then with that later. Yeah, that punch drunk, mate. Yeah, like, listen, don't care how big and tough you are.

[Host]

It's a brain.

[Jake Boswick]

It's your brain.

[Host]

Yeah, man.

[Jake Boswick]

And once that's done damaged, it's done the minute that. Listen, I love fighting. I genuinely love it. Enjoy the violence and the, you know, being able to really express when I fight. But the minute I'm told, like, you know, I have like a, you know, detached retina or something with my eyes or something that are going to affect my hearing or my brain. Like, I'll respectfully won't fight.

[Host]

So you have perspective.

[Jake Boswick]

I have. I'm not a fucking idiot, mate. I'm not stupid. I'm like, oh, fighting this my life. And like, totally, totally granted. But I'll take my aggression out. However, mate, I'll go start pulling. I'll try and pull £800 sumo in the gym. That'll be my next challenge. Do you know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not worried about, you know, going out my shield that much that I'm gonna now be a vegetable. Yeah, that doesn't entertain me the slightest. It generally worries me, you know, like. It does.

[Host]

No, I. I would imagine, right.

[Jake Boswick]

I. I mean, and because I've been doing it for so long that.

[Host]

That's the. See, that's the thing too. But there's that aspect of it. But there's also the aspect of the identity, right? So it's like when you're done fighting, right? And when I was done playing baseball, I held on to that role. Like, I didn't know who I was without baseball, right? And so for me, when that ended, it was. It was.

[Jake Boswick]

I get it. I remember I had almost like a year of no fighting. I had no nothing. There's no. I didn't have no sign with anything. I had no. No fights coming up, no nothing. And I was like, okay. And then I was like, really pursuing getting my DMG license. I'm all, you know, I work my firearm and stuff, and I'll spend a lot of time investing into that. I'm like, is. And in my head, I'm like, am I going through a crisis now? Am I going to be done with the fighting? And, you know, and it was. It was like, weird. It was like I felt I was losing my identity because everyone knows me as brutal boss with this Ben Ackfire. And it's like, if I ain't that, then who am I? And. And I. I understand it. I know this, sadly, like, this thing, obviously, that happened with, like, dusting recently, you know, obviously, you know, mental stuff and this and that going on. It's like, I understand it. I do. And especially if someone of that caliber, you know, bro, like, you're at the top, the ladder ball, bro, like, you are Dustin Poirier, you know, and then if you are not doing that anymore, then, yeah, there's going to be an identity issue there. You know, whether you've got the money in the world or not, it doesn't matter. You know, money does not buy your happiness. Money gives you freedom, allows you to do stuff with, but it don't buy you warmth and happiness. It doesn't. Money's just a tool.

[Host]

It is.

[Jake Boswick]

You know.

[Host]

You know, when that. When that happened, and I saw it and I had a completely different reaction than most people. And I'm like, clearly, you did too. People were talking about it and you see the people online, you know, the people would never say that to his face. No, I looked at it. I'm like, these people don't understand what this man's going through.

[Jake Boswick]

His father's d. Everything, bro. And I saw it and I was like, man, I feel for that dude. Yeah. That was the first thing I did and had people laughing. Oh, my God. Did you say that. I'm like, yeah, man. Like, that's not good, bro. That's not good. That's not healthy.

[Host]

No, it's not.

[Jake Boswick]

That's not him. Right? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, that is. That's someone who is lost and confused and, like, trying to figure out his, like, obviously, like, clear as day. Like, that is what it is I'm seeing. I'm not stupid, you know. But then. And again, as a fighter, as an athlete, I say more so understanding. But you got, like, these regular civilians that, you know, have a normal 9 to 5 and they're talking their nonsense, but it's like, you don't know nothing. Like, yeah, you stick to sitting on your desk, doing whatever. Like, you don't get it. Like, you won't understand that. You never, ever understand his mindset and what he is as a person. And Harry's evolved as a man. Like, you don't. You don't have a clue.

[Host]

And that moment doesn't remove that either.

[Jake Boswick]

Not at all.

[Host]

I mean, that. That. That was a moment.

[Jake Boswick]

No, 100%. And I still have the exact same respect for him, mate. I think Dustin's an absolute legend. He's the nicest dude, mate. He is such a. Such a sweet, sweet man, you know?

[Host]

Never met him, but I'm sure I will because we're all in the circle, right? Our boy Drew and all that good stuff and. But I mean, he's a Louisiana boy.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, he grew up in the ghetto, bro.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

I mean, you know, he's like the only white boy around. Like, he grew up in the hood, bro. You know, that's what he knows.

[Host]

I spent four years in Louisiana. I love Louisiana. But. But again, it's like when you. When you see things transpire like that, whether it's a football player, whether it's a fighter, the everyday person that's never been an athlete or anything like that, like, at a high level, cannot even think about putting themselves in a perspective to where they can understand where any man or woman is at and why they're acting out like that. See? Especially a fighter. Because now. Because at that moment, not knowing.

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[Host]

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[Sponsor/Announcer]

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[Host]

Who am I? Yeah, but now I got to protect. Now I got to defend. And the only way I know how to defend.

[Jake Boswick]

Go back to what you know because

[Host]

that, that was the glory was best in the world. Yeah, of course, of course it's going to go there.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, right, of course. That's what he knows.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

You know, I actually got a funny story I quickly throw out there about Dustin, one I was in because I've done a few fight camps with Jake Paul and when he fought Tyrone Woodley the first time, we was, we was in. Was it in Ohio? I think that's where he's from. I think it was over there in Ohio. Anyway, long story short, we're in the changing room, Logan's there, everyone's. There's a few other celebrities and that packed, packed thing, right. Dustin Poirier comes in a room, you know, about 10, 15 yards and I'm sitting on the couch, real similar dress. We are bright orange on Team Paul. And he comes in and bro, he literally looked at me, he went, oh, Bosswick, bro. I stood up because obviously you remember me from Phil and yeah from atc. And that's. I said, yo, what's good? My brother has everything as good as life. And everyone's looking like how the do they know each other? But I have to say that was one of my biggest flexes in that specific moment. I was like, that was really cool, man.

[Host]

Oh, hell, yeah, it's cool.

[Jake Boswick]

He was like, oh. Because it was a familiar face. You know what I mean?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

So that. That was. That was pretty cool. But, yeah, I tell people about it. I was like, yeah. I mean, when Dustin come in, I was the first person who said hello to. I was like, that's pretty.

[Host]

Well, that. That's also. Because now you're sitting there in that room with the low, you know, with, you know, Jake and Paul, it's like, that's street cred, bro.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, it's crazy, bro. You know, I've had. I've had a bunch. I've had like four. Four or five comes with. With Jake now, like, you know, so. Wow.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

Crazy.

[Host]

That's pretty cool, man. What's it like being around that guy? A little bit of circus, isn't he?

[Jake Boswick]

Honestly, like in person, like on camera, off camera, like, he's cool. Like, you know, he's. He's, you know, shake me and said hello as this has that, you know, we don't hang out like boys. Yeah, we never really have, you know. But yeah, night in the gym is cool, mate. Especially like, you know, I was obviously there more just as a sparring partner, you know, joining with other training sessions and that. But I was always giving him a good look. Like when he fought Tyrone Woodley or the best. The best matchup that I think he had and I gave him the best work for was when he fought Mike Perry. You know, I was in full camp for that down to the last bar. I can't remember where that fight took place, but they threw me. It flew me over on the. Flew over on the jet with them and that was really cool, you know. But, yeah, no, they're cool people like his mum and that. I remember I was at his mum's house and I've got to like, mom, where's the candy? He go, take me, you know, grab some. Get some chocolates and that. And like, his parents are cool. His dad. His dad reminds me of my dad. Like, he don't give a mate. Some say something's like, what, what? People trying to come into the changing room and I'm standing there. We can like fight people. Like, coming in, it was like that. I was like, I got your dad. He was like, yeah, say, get back. Get back. I'm like, yeah, listen to what dad said. Like, you know, it's cool. So.

[Host]

Oh, my God.

[Jake Boswick]

But no, they. They're cool people.

[Host]

They're very smart.

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, brother.

[Host]

They're Very good. They've been good. They've been great at what they do for.

[Jake Boswick]

Listen, people can talk. Their. Everyone can say, do whatever, bro. He is laughing, mate.

[Host]

You know, they're.

[Jake Boswick]

They're living it.

[Host]

They're geniuses, dude.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. Super smart. Like, you know, build that hatred. Yeah. Everyone wants to see me lose. Cool. Come watch me fight then. And everyone's like, but that's the thing.

[Host]

That's what.

[Jake Boswick]

Use this.

[Host]

That, you know, that's what nobody understands, though.

[Jake Boswick]

It's. Understand it

[Host]

like us. But most people like, oh, my God. These.

[Jake Boswick]

These people, these.

[Host]

You know, this. And they're that. I'm like, no, no, no, no. There's two types of people when it comes to them. Either love them or you hate them. Yep. If you love them, you want to watch them win. If you love them, you want to watch them lose. Either way, you're watching. They win.

[Jake Boswick]

Either way. It doesn't matter.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Smart.

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, smartest thing ever. Wasn't that smart against Joshua breaking your face. But, oh, yeah, it was a bad one, wasn't it? I knew when I was watching that before that fight, you know, because all. You know, all respect to Jake and that, but I was like, bro, I was like, there's no way you can beat Joshua. I was like, I'm like, I don't know what their contracts say. I don't know. 9. I was like, I'm just hoping to see a. A solid AJ fighting Jake because I want to see that, because that's what everyone wanted to see. And then we saw that, you know, I still, you know, ass off to Jake for even attempting. Do you know what I mean?

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

But, you know, it just definitely showed the caliber. Yeah.

[Host]

Balls, man.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, that was.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

That was.

[Host]

That was hard to watch.

[Jake Boswick]

It was crazy at that.

[Host]

At that point at the end.

[Jake Boswick]

The same thing, though. Tuned in to watch it, though.

[Host]

Yeah, of course it is.

[Jake Boswick]

Everybody else, absolutely, man.

[Host]

It was entertaining.

[Jake Boswick]

100.

[Host]

You know, it kind of reminded me of back in the day when Don King was around. Yeah, right. This is actually kind of cool now.

[Jake Boswick]

It's, like, relevant and even what he's done for the sport and, like, you know, the women's boxing and, like, just everything. Like, he's brought so much financial business to so many people. Not me. Like, I never got a solid, solid, solid opportunity considering how much I've worked with him, you know, but at the same time, it's like, yeah, that's off to you for, you know, you have helped a lot of people, especially with the bullying. The bullying Gyms that he's got and he's got a lot of kids and stuff there, you know, so it's good.

[Host]

Well, that's awesome.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know you started something with Phil Deru.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

What's the actual name of the. It's Bare Knuckle. Your. Your school.

[Jake Boswick]

It was Bare knuckle. It was a. Was it, was it the. It was a. It was a brutal bare knuckle program.

[Host]

Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

[Jake Boswick]

I think it's brutal bare knuckle program.

[Host]

Are you still running it with them or.

[Jake Boswick]

No, we. We done that. We done that program a couple years back. I mean, it's still. I think it's still. Yeah, still. Still up and running. And honestly, the information that you're going to get from it for any athlete is it's great. You know, it is really good. But, you know, we. We chopped it up quite recently. I think we, you know, we're gonna get back working, do some more stuff again together. Like, I love working with Phil. Just again, the last couple fights have been a little bit close and I only had like so many odd weeks and he was up in Port St. Lucie.

[Host]

Just.

[Jake Boswick]

I just kind of stayed doing what I was doing, you know, my simple movements and what I would do. But yeah, I definitely want to get back doing some stuff with him because, you know, down to the content, the training aspect of it, just being around him in general, like, we have. We, you know, our content, done some of the best views and everything. Anyway, it's great. It was really, really good work. You know, if anyone watch me, it's fine.

[Host]

He's a dude. He's awesome.

[Jake Boswick]

He's a good lad, man.

[Host]

Oh, he is. Did he tell you that he took me through a training. Training program?

[Jake Boswick]

I think he said. I think he did say he worked with you. I was that, bro.

[Host]

It's so embarrassing. He took me through a mobility workout.

[Jake Boswick]

He felt like a right.

[Host]

A massive.

[Jake Boswick]

It's crazy, right?

[Host]

Oh, and then let's finish up on the assault bike.

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, bruv, listen. He'll be telling me that I'm giving him the fingers. Telling him, f you, bruv. Yeah, I'll do it.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

I talk mad. Yeah.

[Host]

The mobility side of it. You just don't know how important that is and how hard it is.

[Jake Boswick]

Simplest things like stuff with the adductor and you're like an angle doing something and it's like so difficult.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

And it's body weight. I'm like, yo, it's crazy.

[Host]

Just like, he's like hey, your nervous system shot. I'm like, excuse me, am I dying? Like, what are you doing? Well, you're on this wall and you're shaking already. Dude's a genius.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, no, he's super smart, mate. Down to, you know, obviously, I got him working with Timberland. You know, Timberland was my client for many years. And, bro, I remember Phil got him walking better. Walking, Walking.

[Host]

Wow.

[Jake Boswick]

Just walking, bruv. Just making him pay attention to the details with his big toe, little toe, how to stand on the ball of his foot, how to walk, shoulder posture, this, that, that, this, like, completely changed. You know, how Timbo holds himself, moves around, functions, and it was just down to small details. And it's not necessarily, you know, I knew a lot of the work, but it was like, that's not my forte. Yeah, I'm a boxing coach and, you know, movements and that. But when it comes to real details, I'm like, yeah, feels your guy, man, he helped him a lot now. He's pretty good.

[Host]

What. What do you think Phil sees in you that you don't see in yourself, man?

[Jake Boswick]

Well, I don't see in myself. I'm not sure. I know, I know he definitely. I know what he does to you and me. I know he sees, you know, my great determination, you know, how I am as a person, how I carry myself, my image, everything. Like, I know I bring a lot to the table as a. As a package, but I can't. I couldn't necessarily say what he sees that I don't. I'm definitely not taking advantage of my marketability. I know that for full well.

[Host]

What do you mean by that?

[Jake Boswick]

Like, I make zero money online in any way, shape or form, whether it's, you know, again, like, you know, I say I dislike socials. I just don't really like socials, you know, but posting on the content aspect of it, like, there should be definitely a revenue where I should be making money, whether it's just clicks or views in general, like YouTube, you know, tick Tock, Instagram, all of that. I should be just marketing myself like that, where there is a way that, you know, I'm bringing in, you know, a cash flow, which I don't. I don't take advantage of anything like that. And I know the potential, and I know I've got to just pull my finger out and again, just have a bit of help, guidance, but I still haven't done that. You know, I'm 36, going 37 this year, and I'm still trying to figure that out. It's kind of crazy, you know, but.

[Host]

Well, you know, there's people that can do that for you because. Because you're. You're the. You're the performer.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Host]

Right. It's hard for people that are the. The front facing to build things like that. But it's your birthday.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

37.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, I'm gonna be 37. October 28th is my birthday.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yep.

[Host]

Same.

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, you say we're birthday brothers, bro.

[Host]

I'm October 28th, but I'm turning 47. No, no, I'm turning 48.

[Jake Boswick]

Damn. You can hold, son. Listen, you look amazing. Thank you, man. You. Look at you, man. Damn. Same birthday.

[Host]

I know, man. I saw that. I was looking at. I was like, damn, no way.

[Jake Boswick]

I don't know many people. Like, like. Yeah, I've come across a few people. Literally, like. Yeah, three people.

[Host]

Yeah. My son is three days later. Oh, my son's on Halloween.

[Jake Boswick]

My dad's a week. My dad's November 9th.

[Host]

No way.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

So he's a Scorpio too.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. As well.

[Host]

We're an interesting group of people.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, definitely. So definitely interesting.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

He's a screw.

[Jake Boswick]

October 20th again.

[Host]

No, they're lying. I swear to God, bro. Ladies and gentlemen, here's three people in this room that is the same. Wow.

[Jake Boswick]

I did not know that.

[Host]

We're gonna have to do something.

[Jake Boswick]

It's a powerhouse right now, man. It's a powerhouse room. Let's go, man. Spiteful. In here with school videos.

[Host]

Holy.

[Jake Boswick]

That's crazy.

[Host]

No wonder this room's been heavy today, man. Three Scorpios, same birthday.

[Jake Boswick]

That's insane.

[Host]

No, it is really cool, man. Like, I know. So now I just doubled how many people I know with the same birthday.

[Jake Boswick]

That's crazy.

[Host]

But there's only been, you know, two others that I can think of throughout my whole life.

[Jake Boswick]

No.

[Host]

And then here I am today. Yeah, man.

[Jake Boswick]

My ex. My ex has got the same birthday.

[Host]

No way.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, that was super random. That's me. Was a sign. And that the. Obviously didn't work.

[Host]

But that was your sign.

[Jake Boswick]

But that was my sign. Oh, yeah.

[Host]

Oh, same birthday.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's not going to work.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. You know. No, I was like, it's gonna be great. But no, it just. Yeah, just different. Different views on life, you know, so. But yeah, it's crazy. And then one of my good friends. Client slash friend. Yeah, he's. Same thing. He's October 20th.

[Host]

That's pretty cool.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

So when you. When you brought up relationships, have you ever lost anybody you love because they couldn't stand to watch you do what you do.

[Jake Boswick]

Not because of the sport. No, I feel anyone I've been with enjoy what I do. You know, majority of females love, you know, a fighter or, you know, a manly man, so, you know, anyone and that kind of thing. But because of the fighting, there's never been an issue like, oh, my God, I can't watch it. No.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jake Boswick]

No, I'm normally, like, I get pampered, looked after, after. I'm chilling.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, I see. I see your game.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

I see why you do it. Now we know why.

[Jake Boswick]

Look after me.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

That's.

[Host]

Oh, my ribs.

[Jake Boswick]

Exactly.

[Host]

Yeah. The floating rib.

[Jake Boswick]

Exactly. Yeah. No, so, yeah, no, I never lost anything due to that.

[Host]

That's cool though, man. You know, you were talking about the pain you felt after this last fight. Is that the only time you've ever felt that way? Because, like, here's what I'm here, here's what I'm wondering, like, if I go to the gym and I'm doing the. Whatever that stupid trap bar, you know,

[Jake Boswick]

doing a killer workout.

[Host]

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, you know, trying.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

And. And I. And I hurt my back that ride home and probably for the next week.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

All right, a quick word from today's sponsor, Scribe. Here's the thing about scaling a team. It's never really about headcount or budget. It's that nobody documents anything because writing it all down is painful and nobody

[Host]

has time for it.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

So people end up doing the same process five different ways. And when someone leaves all that knowledge just walks out the door with them. I've lived this. Every time I bring someone new onto the team, I'm re explaining the same steps I've already explained a dozen times. That's exactly the problem Scribe was built to fix. Here's how it works. You turn on the extension or desktop app and just do the process like you normally would. Scribe builds the guide as you go, capturing every click and screenshot automatically. What used to take hours of writing and cleanup is done in under a minute. And it's already ready to share It Also auto redacts sensitive stuff. Names, account numbers, emails out of every screenshot. If you're running a team, you can enforce that company wide so nothing slips through. And once the guide exists, anyone can launch real time on screen guidance that shows them exactly where to click step by step inside the actual tool. Plus, Scribe doesn't just document your workflow. It actually suggests ways to improve it, like cutting redundant steps or flagging what could be simplified to see what Scribe could look like for your org head to scribe how TDS and mention TDS for your first month of scribe capture free on select plans. That's S, C R I B E dot how slash tds.

[Host]

Hurts like hell.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Dude.

[Host]

I'm at the age if I step off a freaking curb wrong on screen. You see what I'm saying? Like, oh shit, there goes my back.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

What is it like it with your body? Like after no one's around, just you and, and, and the punishment that your

[Jake Boswick]

body is taking is again, it's very different from event. I've had them, them gym sessions where they're killer and I leave their fatigue and everything's aching and so forth. It's different. That's self inflicted. I've just done that and it's training. I'm not necessarily taken damage. Whereas after the last fight I get to change room. I have a rinse off in the shower, sit down in the chair and I'm like. And then like I feel everything lumps in my head, my face, my lips, my ears, ribs, my shoulders, my hands are swollen. Everything. It's like I've. I've been to battle, you know, Like I've, I've had to stand and fight and battle. It's. It's just, it's just different again under the spotlight in front of thousands of people, you know, with the pressure or whatever. It's very. Yeah. That I feel like I've only ever really experienced that sensation after like a hard fight, you know? Yeah, more, more. So I would say is that again I've had crazy gym sessions and still left them. Yeah, okay. Still feel alive. Like I'm sore, my legs are dead. I've been running the stuff stadiums at fiu. Like. Yeah, running stadiums. I'm like still dying, my legs are fing, I'm wobbling, walking back home and like them sessions, same kind of aspect. It's, you know, it's, it's still, it's rewarding. It's a rewarding pain. It's like, you know, I've done this to myself. I could have stopped but didn't. I carried on. I really wanted to quit, but I didn't, you know. Same with running miles. I hate running but bro, like I'll run my miles and I'm like so proud I got them done and it's that rewarding sensation. So like after a fight, tough fight, and you feel pain from literally head to toe and everything's aching. It's like, yeah, we, we just had a fight, man. Yeah, that Was pretty cool. Yeah, it's. It's like. It's the best way I can explain it. It's just like you do you just feel alive? Like, I just had a battle. That's incredible. You know, how do you recover?

[Host]

Like, what's your recovery routine?

[Jake Boswick]

Honestly, mate. Next day. So I had obviously a couple stitches and I had like another little hole, but because the inflammation, it was constantly leaking blood, so I had to keep wiping it, wiping it, wiping it. And then I woke up that morning and I was like, pops. Like I really trying to land the bathtub or something. Like, my whole body was just like, I just need like soaking a bath. And I laid in the bar and my dad ran the bath and now it's like 6, 7 in the morning. And I went and laid in the bathtub in the hotel and I was like. And I laid in and I started sweating. And then because of the sweat and obviously it's helping with the inflammation. So then my eyes stop leaking because there's not as much pressure. And then the next hour, the day after, I'm in a hot tub, like, I've still got blood and stitches. I'm in the sauna, steam room, like sweating, dabbing my face with a towel. But for me, that's been the best recovery I've ever done, is from after a fight with the inflammation, is just sweating it out. Obviously keep your stitches dry. And they sound about. I'm in the sauna, sweating, drinking my gallon, sweating away. And I know I'm instantly getting skinnier, so I know there's gonna be less pressure because again, I've been here before when I've had my face, like, you know, I've got a lot of swelling, of course. And yeah, I remember after Julian Lane fight, I had crazy stitches. I. I had like a. Yeah, I had multiple, like 20 cent stitches. Like, I had a big one, a couple up my forehead. And the inflammation, my face was, was gnarly. That, that fight I did took a lot of damage. I literally was like a day or two after I had a full sweatsuit on. Beanie is outside in this temperature, like in the 90s. I'm just like walking the streets, just sweating. I was like bleeding down my face. Like, like the state, like, the stitches were crazy. I literally like bleeding everything, but I didn't care. I felt so much better for it.

[Host]

I can just imagine driving by you at that moment, like, what the hell is going on?

[Jake Boswick]

It really does help. Yeah, it really, really, really genuinely does help. As soon as I got out of the bathtub. I was like, my face stopped leaking. I was like, oh, there's less pressure. I just dropped like 3, 4 pounds, you know, easy. Just sitting in the bathtub, real quick sweating. Yeah. And it's like, I feel better for it.

[Host]

Dude, you brought up another fight, like, after, you know, you just. And bro, the Avilla fight. We haven't talked about that. Yeah, what is it, okay, that you were getting ready to go out there and fight and then a bomb threat was called in.

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, that fight.

[Host]

What is it like, dude? Because, like, you have to like, cool down and.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, that would. That was really frustrating. We end up. I went outside, it was freezing cold. I. I had like little shorts on. I had a hoodie on. And then I was cold, mate. And I was like fighting next or whatever was outside for a good hour. I was asking the police. I was like, yo, can we sit in the police car? Like, I'm freezing. I've got a fight. My hands were blue. I'm cold.

[Host]

It was in Tennessee, right?

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, Nashville. Yeah. Yeah, it was in Tennessee. And yeah, I'm sitting in the back of a. Back of a police wagon just trying to like, stab it warm so there's no breeze. That was really frustrating. We told twice that the fight weren't going to happen and I was crying. I was upset about it. Oh, my God. Frustrated. And then we then got into the venue and everything and then something else happened and then it was like, okay, maybe it's not. And then eventually we get let back into the venue. Literally, bruv, we go in, I'm still shaking from cold. And then like, jake, right, we've got to go. We've got to get your hands wrapped. I'm like, sorry, what? Boom. Sat down, wrapping my hands, this, that and the other, trying to warm up. And it was just so back, back, back to back. Like, it wasn't great mentally.

[Host]

Yeah, it was like a fire drill.

[Jake Boswick]

It was so jarring, mate. SWAT came in and everything. It was like, wow. It was a big ordeal. That was frustrating. You know, I lost that fight. Points up. Yeah, I did. I didn't fight well, but it was just. Yeah, it was very mixed emotions that day. Very up, very down. And then up again and down again. And then we're outside. It's like, yeah, it was just a mess.

[Host]

Was there at any point you were a little bit scared about what was going to happen or did you just kind of realize this as in bum

[Jake Boswick]

wise and all of that?

[Host]

Yeah, all that stuff.

[Jake Boswick]

None of that bothered me. I was like, I think it's low. I was like, I didn't trust what the information was.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

I was like, really? Someone's the blow up influencers, like, shut up. No, there's definitely more important people that you could be like, trying to bomb, bro.

[Host]

You know, it seems like a lot of effort.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't just hearsay, rubbish and.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

You know, but it was frustrating.

[Host]

When you're getting ready for a fight or just like when you're like, you know, from the MMA to the boxing and then transitioning to bare knuckle, how do you condition your hands to take that kind of.

[Jake Boswick]

So honestly, especially with the bare knuckles I've done, I train a lot without gloves, you know, do a lot of bag work without get sandbagged, A lot of punch in the sandbag, you know, and I broke my hands a lot in mma. So, like, I got a lot of, you know, Carly, like a lot of like, extra like bone, really, in my hands. Anyway. My hands have been a bit messed up. I broke my, my right hand like nine times on my left hand, four times.

[Host]

Really.

[Jake Boswick]

I've dealt with a lot of breaks and fractures and I've had now nine bare knuckle fights. I think I may have fractured my hand once. Other than that, like, I don't break them in bare knuckle, which is kind of surprising, honestly.

[Host]

I would think so.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. Super. But I think just again, years of fighting in general, a lot of just punches in general, you know, my hands have taken a lot of damage, you know, so they are just tougher in general, you know. Yeah, so. But a lot of sandbag work, a lot of, you know, bag work without gloves. Like, I'll train, do a full training session, I take my gloves off and I'll do like a few rounds on the bag, no gloves, you know, and, you know, you got to make sure you're hitting the bag correctly because you can hit the bag in a funny way because you don't ever want to cut your knuckles because then you get infections and stuff, like. And then I can't really do much other training with cut knuckles, so I have to wear wraps and gloves and everything. So you try not scratch or scuff your knuckles when people hit in bags. Again, just for anyone that does want to do that, pay attention to the seams on the bag. Now, if it's got a lot of seams or patches and stuff like that, you glance them. Mate, I've ripped knuckle. I've ripped skin off all of my hands. You Know.

[Host]

Yeah, of course.

[Jake Boswick]

Again, just trial and error and learning. But yeah, don't be hitting the seams on the bags or anything where they're stitching and stuff because, yeah, it will just.

[Host]

It'll tear you up.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. Take the skin off like. No. Yeah. And then you gotta wait for that to heal and then you're trying to train. Then your knuckles are bleeding everywhere and it's sore. Like, it's really sore. It's just like, it's annoying pain.

[Host]

Yeah. You know, yeah, it hurts, but it's like not enough to get you in tears.

[Jake Boswick]

It's like, it's not like a deep anything. It's just like a few lads of skin. But yeah, I'm punching it and it constantly cracking and it never really heals. And yeah, it's just, Just pain in the ass.

[Host]

Dude. The one thing that you've. That you touched on earlier, I asked you a question a while ago and I asked you what do you hold on to more, the win or the loss? And you said the loss. And the follow up was because that's where you learn the most. And I completely agree. I, I appreciate that because I share in that. I don't want to talk about the wins because nothing went wrong. Everything was close to perfect as it could possibly be. There's no outcome that I can change.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah.

[Host]

But has fighting for so long taught you how to embrace the losses or losing early on and that was kind of your process? Do you think you have a different perspective and it.

[Jake Boswick]

I have a way different perspective. Perspective now. The fact that I'm just older and more mature and understanding the aspects of the game because the end day, it's a game. Yeah. Like fighting, you know, is a very 50, 50 thing. You know, you can come out on top or you can't. Yeah, the wins are great. Everyone loves the win. Everyone wants to win. I want to win. I'm pissed. I just lost this fight. But I still would watch that fight with how close it was and still be like, I could have done this better, could have done that better. I've already watched it back and I'm like, man, I should have circled out way more when he was pressuring me on the ropes. I should just circle that bell already, just instantly. And I've still got to watch it more and really study it because I haven't had the time to. It's not been up yet, but from what I have seen, I was. I'm like, damn, bro. Like, I. I still could have made that fight look better, perform better, and Made him look less good, you know, and done better wise because there was already faults where I'm like, man, like, pressuring up on the ropes. Like, I should have just circled out and hit him away from me and then kept that distance rather than letting him get into my chest and do his little body rumble, right? Not really doing much, but, like, he's doing something.

[Host]

And it looks like he is doing

[Jake Boswick]

something because he's still being, like, kind of active and he's doing more than what I am. And I'm now hitting with some uppercuts to the face. I'm still cracking him in the head, but, like, he's looking all busy, but, like, you're not doing nothing. And I'll circle in that. And then eventually I would. I'll get off or the referee would stop us and we just like, I'll just hold him, like, what are we doing?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

You know, but there was a few things there where I could have had that happen less and I could have. It just would have been better on my perspective. Like, it just would have been better

[Host]

for me, you know, I love your relationship with. With that because it's a constructive thing. A lot of people, when they lose something, they. They go down the rabbit hole of I'm just not that good or poor me, because they're looking for a reaction out of somebody. The thing that I really enjoyed about everything that you've said today is you truly look inward. What. What can I learn from this, man? I just think it's so important for, like, everyone listening. Like, I really hope that if they don't take anything else away that they look for the things that they can improve on and focus on that part. Not the scoreboard or the. The what the loss means that you're not as good as the other person or, you know, I should have won this. I should have, like, whatever.

[Jake Boswick]

And they moan about it. No, bro, like, you got to look at the full picture, see where you kind of maybe messed up or what. Maybe steered it more towards a judge, you know? And like, how did I mess up? What. What. What did I do wrong? Like, what. What could I have done better?

[Host]

Right?

[Jake Boswick]

That's how I'm going to grow and get better. Is figuring out what I did was nonsense or didn't work, bro. Yeah, that is it. It's not. Yeah, it was great. Yeah, it was great. I knocked him down in the second round. Yeah, it was great. It was super awesome. And I feel like that was my round.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

But then it was other things where I'm like, ah, you know, he did a bit more of this and I should have done that more or less so forth. But like, yeah, from the losses and that, like, that is really. That is the only place that you will learn. It really is.

[Host]

You know, the. You're. You're correct. But the sad thing is, man, is that's not where everybody goes, no. And then they keep reliving it. It's like groundhog.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. Of course they. And moan about it as if like they did and ah, this and that and ah, I should have this and oh, that's not, you know, that's just gotta learn, man. Shut up, mate.

[Host]

Gotta learn.

[Jake Boswick]

If you lost a fight, you lost a fight. Like, what did you do wrong? Like, like work on that. You know, it really is that clean cut.

[Host]

Absolutely. Look, man, over the Last hour and 15, 20 minutes or however long we've been in this amazing conversation, thank you for this. This has been incredible. Your whole story and everything about you screams the word determination. You know, we are the determined society.

[Jake Boswick]

Of course.

[Host]

And to break it down, if you were. How to define the word determination, what does it mean to you?

[Jake Boswick]

Are you willing. If determination, I think. Are you willing to throw all your eggs in the basket to pursue something that you want and want to take? I think you've either all in or you're all out. And it's kind of my mindset anyway. You know, you're. You can't really half. And you can't half ass this game anyway.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jake Boswick]

You know, but if you. If I was to see, sit and think about it in that aspect, I would definitely say determine. It's like going out on your shield and being determined to do whatever it takes to, you know, come out on top.

[Host]

Absolutely, man. Well said, dude.

[Jake Boswick]

Appreciate it.

[Host]

I understand it. I. I'm all. I'm with it, bro. Thank you again for coming.

[Jake Boswick]

Thank you so much.

[Host]

It's been amazing. Do you love to get up on our birthdays, man? Yeah, just across the alley. So 100, you know, we'll get everybody together. We'll.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah. That. We've got someone else to join us as well.

[Host]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jake Boswick]

I'll bring me up.

[Host]

And he's moving here.

[Jake Boswick]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

So Oscar's gonna be around.

[Jake Boswick]

There you go. Perfect.

[Host]

We'll take him out.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, that's. That's what we're. I'll give you a good time. Miami.

[Host]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, he's. He's. He just went like this. He's excited.

[Jake Boswick]

Say less. Yeah.

[Host]

Yep. He's ready. He's ready, man. You know, it's not even gonna be fun because he's so volunteer. He's like, volunteering.

[Jake Boswick]

Is that okay? I'll just do it.

[Host]

No, no.

[Jake Boswick]

You gotta come out in the two. Two, though, you know?

[Host]

Well, that is.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

That is.

[Jake Boswick]

Yeah, that's the. Because he is the youngest mandatory. Oh, young.

[Host]

So he has to.

[Jake Boswick]

Have to. Yeah, it's fine.

[Host]

It's fine. It's fine. You know, man, seriously, thank you.

[Jake Boswick]

No, I appreciate you, man.

[Host]

Absolute pleasure for everybody listening and watching. Thank you guys so much for listening. Share it out. Go check them out. You know, really dive into this episode of what the messages actually mean, though. There's a special fighter inside every single one of us. But it's your job to call on that fighter. If you get knocked down, you can't retreat. You have to get back up and do the things that you know you need to do to get better, no matter what the result on the scoreboard is. Because at the end of the day, if you don't do that, you're not moving forward in your life. You're just withering away. And last time I checked, that's not growth.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

That's decay.

[Host]

So thank you guys so much for watching and for listening. And until next time, stay determined.