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The Devil You Know with Sarah Marshall
Episode Title: Introducing | Robert Pickton: The Final Chapter, from Canadian True Crime
Host: CBC / Featured Narrator: Kristi Lee (Canadian True Crime)
Release Date: January 26, 2026

Overview

This special episode offers the first part of a detailed, trauma-informed investigation into the life and crimes of Canadian serial killer Robert Pickton, focusing on the systemic failures and societal prejudices that allowed his crimes to persist. Hosted by Kristi Lee, the episode intricately explores the conditions on Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside, the troubling upbringings at the Pickton farm, and the often-overlooked stories and humanity of the victims. Drawing on court records, inquiry reports, journalism, and personal stories, the series challenges sensationalist narratives, restores the voices of missing and murdered women, and highlights the root causes—both individual and structural—behind this tragedy.

Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Humanizing the Victims and Breaking Down Stereotypes

• The episode begins by emphasizing how Robert Pickton’s case is often sensationalized, erasing the identities of his victims—primarily Indigenous and marginalized women.
• Memorable Quote: “Most importantly, this series restores the identities and humanity of the vulnerable women who were targeted through the personal accounts of those who loved and missed them, making space for the unanswered questions still being asked to this day.” — Kristi Lee [02:42]

2. The Systemic Failures That Enabled Pickton

• The police and justice system’s apathy is highlighted as a key enabler of both Pickton and others who preyed on vulnerable women, rooted in deep societal prejudices and systemic injustice.
• Quote: “[The] case has been described as a tragedy of epic proportions… with a lasting legacy of grief. At least 98 children without their mother and a lot of unanswered questions.” — Kristi Lee [39:13]

3. Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside: A Landscape of Neglect

• Rich historical background is provided showing how the area became Canada’s poorest postal code, shaped by government neglect, gentrification, and cycles of poverty and trauma.
• Details how sex work, substance use, and Indigenous marginalization converge, making women easy targets and their disappearances often dismissed as “lifestyle-related.”
• Quote: “Instead of investing in safety, housing, and social supports, government and city officials looked away. Once the bustling city centre, the downtown Eastside was now treated as a containment zone of poverty, trauma, and marginalisation.” — Kristi Lee [44:56]

4. Robert Pickton’s Upbringing and Early Family History

• The Pickton family background is depicted as harsh, dysfunctional, and abusive, with both parents fostering a culture of cruelty, privilege, and moral disregard that shaped Robert and David.
• Numerous disturbing childhood anecdotes (e.g., the calf story, forced smoking, alleged cover-up of a fatal hit-and-run) illustrate both trauma and the normalization of hiding wrongdoing.
• Quote: “Their mother had just shown them that basic morality could be overridden if self-preservation was at stake. That responsibility for causing serious harm — even death — could be managed by cleaning evidence and coordinating stories. That human life was disposable.” — Kristi Lee [1:13:08]

5. The Early Deaths, Disappearances, and the ‘Bad Trick List’

• The episode traces the rising number of missing and murdered women through the 1980s–90s, highlighting the failures of police investigations and the efforts of sex workers to organize and stay safe.
• Introduction and history of the Bad Trick List—sex workers’ own warning system for dangerous clients—eventually listing “Willie Picton.”
• Quote: “It’s at this time that the name Willie Picton started appearing on this bad trick list. The police promised to review the information, but women continue to go missing or turn up murdered in some alleyway.” — Kristi Lee [1:34:20]

6. Police Investigations and Profiling: Too Little, Too Late

• Details the creation of task forces, criminal profiling, and geographic profiling (Kim Rossmo) aimed at solving the disappearances, but with little uptake or urgency from police leadership.
• Discusses the limits and misapplications of profiling as an investigative tool.
• Quote: “It appears the police effectively put it in the too hard basket and went back to business as usual. As women continued to be targeted.” — Kristi Lee [1:26:45]

7. The Escalation of Violence and the Survivors’ Perspective

• Through the story of Wendy (first segment), listeners get a vivid, firsthand account of a survivor’s escape from Pickton’s farm after a harrowing assault—showing both the brutality of the crimes and the extraordinary resilience of some victims.
• Quote (Wendy’s escape): “Wendy is jolted by an intense fear for her life. For a split second, she freezes… Wendy has always been a fighter. She punches and kicks him… still holding the knife, she staggers down the driveway, covered in blood.” — Kristi Lee [08:01–10:40]

8. Community, Memory, and Ongoing Impact

• The episode closes with the acknowledgment that the case is far from over: there are indications that Pickton did not act alone and that broader networks of exploitation, indifference, and violence remain.
• Emphasizes ongoing advocacy, donations, and the importance of remembering the victims as individuals.

Timeline & Timestamps

| Time | Segment & Notes | |--------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:25 | Kristi Lee introduces series’ purpose and approach | | 04:10 | Wendy’s story – survivor of a Pickton attack | | 14:00 | Background on missing women in Downtown Eastside | | 24:15 | Origins and dysfunction of the Pickton family | | 35:55 | Timothy Barrett case (alleged family cover-up) | | 46:00 | History and decline of Downtown Eastside; policy failures | | 51:45 | Other predators: Gilbert Paul Jordan and unsolved murders | | 59:34 | The rendering plant, waste disposal & access to Downtown Eastside | | 1:13:08| Family values at the Pickton farm – morality, privilege, abuse | | 1:23:35| Police investigations, Project Eclipse, criminal/geographic profiling | | 1:34:20| Sex workers' defenses: Bad Trick List, Wish Drop-In Centre | | 1:38:25| The names and stories of missing/murdered women (e.g., Kathleen Whatley, Elsie) | | 1:54:35| Pickton brothers' divergent paths, failed relationships, continued farm neglect | | 2:00:00| Closing notes: unresolved questions, donations, ongoing systemic issues |

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:42] Kristi Lee:
  “Most importantly, this series restores the identities and humanity of the vulnerable women who were targeted through the personal accounts of those who loved and missed them, making space for the unanswered questions still being asked to this day.”

• [08:35] Kristi Lee (on Wendy’s escape):
  “Wendy punches and kicks him. She grabs a potted plant and whatever she can reach and swings it at him… still holding the knife, she staggers down the driveway, covered in blood.”

• [39:13] Kristi Lee:
  “This case has been described as a tragedy of epic proportions, leaving the families of all those women with a lasting legacy of grief. At least 98 children without their mother and a lot of unanswered questions.”

• [44:56] Kristi Lee:
  “Instead of investing in safety, housing, and social supports, government and city officials looked away. Once the bustling city centre, the downtown Eastside was now treated as a containment zone of poverty, trauma, and marginalisation.”

• [1:13:08] Kristi Lee:
  “Their mother had just shown them that basic morality could be overridden if self-preservation was at stake… That responsibility for causing serious harm—even death—could be managed by cleaning evidence and coordinating stories. That human life was disposable.”

• [1:26:45] Kristi Lee (on Project Eclipse):
  “It appears the police effectively put it in the too hard basket and went back to business as usual. As women continued to be targeted.”

• [1:34:20] Kristi Lee (on the Bad Trick List):
  “It’s at this time that the name Willie Picton started appearing on this bad trick list. The police promised to review the information, but women continue to go missing or turn up murdered in some alleyway.”

Tone & Style

Kristi Lee’s narration is compassionate, measured, and direct—never sensationalizing the violence, always centering the lived experiences and humanity of victims, and remaining critical but even-handed toward the institutional failures that shaped the case.

Further Resources

• Next Episode: Further discussion of survivors, the Picton brothers’ infamous “Piggy’s Palace,” and continued examination of systemic issues.
• Proceeds: Donations from the series are directed to the Wish Drop-In Centre Society supporting sex workers in Vancouver.
• Content Warnings: The discussion contains graphic details and may be distressing for some listeners.
• Episode Sources: Extensive use of court records, commission reports, investigative journalism, and survivor testimony.

For full details, survivor resources, and supporting materials, see official show notes and Canadian True Crime website.