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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

Episode: Brené Brown: We're In A Spiritual Crisis! The Hidden Epidemic No One Wants To Admit!
Date: November 3, 2025
Guest: Brené Brown
Host: Steven Bartlett (DOAC)

Episode Overview

In this deeply engaging conversation, Steven Bartlett sits down with Brené Brown, renowned researcher, author, and speaker, to explore the modern spiritual and emotional crisis gripping society. Together, they delve into the epidemic of disconnection, the protective "armor" individuals deploy, vulnerability, shame, and the transformative path to authentic connection and courage. Brené provides actionable insights on becoming more self-aware, breaking old patterns, and choosing values-based living as an antidote to fear and isolation.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Nature of Spiritual Crisis and Disconnection

Brené opens by framing the conversation as their most important yet, centered on "the armor we reach for to self-protect when we're afraid" and how it disconnects us from love, connection, and our own values.
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  “It’s not fear that gets in the way of us being brave with our lives and our work. It’s the armor that we reach for to self-protect when we’re afraid and how that armor moves us away from love, connection, and our values.”
  — Brené Brown [01:00]

Understanding Our Armor:

Steven asks if reaching for this armor is automatic.
Brené clarifies that self-protection is learned, not instinctive.
- Quote:
  
  “Oh no, it’s a training.”
  — Brené Brown [01:26]
She explains that most people are unaware of their own defensive mechanisms—self-criticism, withdrawal, perfectionism, judgment—until they pause and reflect.

The Role of Vulnerability

Brené underscores vulnerability as the birthplace of meaningful connection and authentic living.
She dispels the myth that vulnerability is weakness and recasts it as the ultimate act of courage.

Recognizing the Hidden Epidemic

The “spiritual crisis” is defined as a sense of emptiness despite material success or external validation.
Brené points to the epidemic of loneliness and numbing behaviors (overwork, distraction, substance abuse, social media) as symptoms of widespread disconnection.

Training Awareness & Dismantling the Armor

The hardest work, Brené asserts, is cultivating self-awareness about our triggers and defenses.
She provides tools for practicing this, such as mindful check-ins, journaling, or asking trusted confidantes for feedback.
Courage, she suggests, is not the absence of fear but choosing values and connection over automatic self-protection.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Brené Brown [01:00]:

“Because it’s not fear that gets in the way of us being brave with our lives and our work. It’s the armor that we reach for to self protect when we’re afraid and how that armor moves us away from love, connection and our values.”
Steven Bartlett [01:25]:

“Is that automatic?”
- Brené Brown [01:26]:
  
  “Oh no, it’s a training.”
Brené Brown [Throughout]:

“The hardest work is being aware of what is my armor when I’m afraid.”

Timestamps for Key Segments

[01:00] – Defining the real obstacle to courage: It's not fear, but protective armor
[01:25] – Is our self-protection automatic or learned?
[01:26] – Brené clarifies: Armor is a learned response
[~01:29+] – Introduction to the themes of vulnerability, connection, and values

Tone & Style

The conversation is candid and empathetic, blending Brené’s warmth and storytelling with Steven’s open, incisive questioning. Both advocate for courageous self-examination and invite listeners into a compassionate, actionable journey toward greater connection and meaning.

Summary Takeaways

The modern crisis isn’t fear itself but habitual, subconscious self-protection (“armor”).
This armor blocks connection, love, and authentic living—fueling spiritual emptiness and loneliness.
Recognizing one’s automatic defenses is learned, requiring deliberate self-reflection and intention.
Vulnerability is essential, not optional, for courageous and connected living.
Practical self-awareness and empathy—toward oneself and others—are the antidote to the hidden epidemic society faces today.

For listeners seeking deeper meaning and actionable insight, this episode offers a beacon of clarity and hope for breaking cycles of fear and stepping into a more connected, courageous version of self.

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It takes a little bit of time to realize this as a founder, but once you do, it's something you can't unsee. That having the right systems in place with your business is critical. One that's helped me across all of my investments is NetSuite, the number one cloud financial system and sponsor of today's conversation. Through their streamlined platform, you'll find all of your accounting, finance, management, inventory and HR in one place. And their technology has been a massive unlock for all of my companies, especially for my team at Flight Story as over the last year we've moved out of startup mode into scale up mode and that's the stage where we found it mission critical to use NetSuite. We no longer have to juggle multiple systems and having everything together has reduced the number of manual tasks and of course the number of errors. Over 42,000 businesses have chosen to future proof their business with NetSuite. So if you'd like to learn how it can help your business, head to netsuite.com bartlett and free download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning. That's netsuite.com Bartlett, you are the single most requested guest.
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And let me tell you this has not been easy because we went to some hard places. But I don't think we'll ever talk about anything more important than this. Because it's not fear that gets in the way of us being brave with our lives and our work. It's the armor that we reach for to self protect when we're afraid and how that armor moves us away from love, connection and our values. And the hardest work is being aware of what is my armor when I'm afraid.
[01:26]
A
Is that automatic?
[01:27]
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Oh no, it's a training.
[01:28]
A
So let's start with that then.
[01:29]
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Brene Brown is an icon whose world leading research in shame, vulnerability and connection has inspired companies like pic.
[01:36]
A
It takes a little bit of time to realize this as a founder, but once you do, it's something you can't unsee. Now, having the right systems in place with your business is critical. One that's helped me across all of my investments is NetSuite, the number one cloud financial system and sponsor of today's conversation. Through their streamlined platform, you'll find all of your accounting, finance, management, inventory and HR in one place. And their technology has been a massive unlock for all of my companies, especially for my team at Flight Story as over the last year we've moved out of startup mode into scale up mode and that's the stage where we found it. Mission critical to use NetSuite. We no longer have to juggle multiple systems, and having everything together has reduced the number of manual tasks and of course, the number of errors. Over 42,000 businesses have chosen to future proof their business with NetSuite. So if you'd like to learn how it can help your business, head to netsuite.com bartlett and free download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning. That's netsuite.com bartlett.