Most Replayed Moment: The 4 Personalities Living In Your Brain! How To Switch Between Them

Summary

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

Episode: Most Replayed Moment – The 4 Personalities Living In Your Brain! How To Switch Between Them
Date: June 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this widely replayed segment, Steven Bartlett sits down with a neuroscientist expert to explore a captivating model of the human mind: the idea that four distinct “personalities” or characters live within each of our brains. Together, they discuss the anatomical and functional basis for these four parts, how trauma, memory, and consciousness are distributed among them, and how we can learn to identify and intentionally “switch” between these personalities to improve focus, emotional health, creativity, and overall well-being. The episode also dives into fascinating exercises and breakthroughs in neuroscience that help us become more aware of our mental states—making this one of the most actionable and inspiring DOAC segments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Evolution of the Brain and Its Key Structures

[00:39–03:55]

• The neuroscientist outlines how the brain evolved: from basic motor and sensory systems to sophisticated structures like the hippocampus (learning/memory) and the amygdala (threat detection).
• The amygdala “is scanning constantly: Am I safe? Am I safe? Am I safe?... you’re fine until you’re not safe.” (Neuroscientist, 02:06)

The Brain’s Four Personalities/Characters

[05:17–13:53]

Summary Table

| Character | Hemisphere | System | Description | Example Name | |------------------|-----------------|-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Character 1 | Left | Thinking | “A-type” personality: fact-driven, detail-oriented, judgment, language, executive self | Helen | | Character 2 | Left | Emotional | Holds past trauma, emotional reactivity (“pain from the past”) | Abby | | Character 3 | Right | Emotional | Playful, present, impulsive, experiential, sensory awareness—“the moment” | — | | Character 4 | Right | Thinking | Wisdom, peace, big-picture, spiritual, interconnectedness | — |

In-Depth Descriptions

• Character 1: Left-Thinking (Helen)
  • Logical, analytical, organizes life, fits into society, language, and judgments about right/wrong.
  • “I call her Helen. Hell on wheels. She gets it done.” (Neuroscientist, 05:20)
• Character 2: Left-Emotional (Abby)
  • Holds our trauma, emotional pain, and reactivity (“pain from the past”), always vigilant.
  • “Character two is our pain from the past... and in our society, everything’s about our pain.” (Neuroscientist, 07:14)
• Character 3: Right-Emotional
  • Present-moment experience, playfulness, impulsiveness, pure sensory input, “in the now.”
  • “This is where...what’s the temperature of the air?...It’s playful. It’s young.” (Neuroscientist, 07:44)
• Character 4: Right-Thinking
  • Big-picture, wisdom, spiritual connection, awe, peace, insight into our existence.
  • “We are wired at the core of our being... to feel peace.” (Neuroscientist, 12:28)

Memorable Quote

“We are so beautiful. We are perfect and whole and beautiful just the way we are...our number one job is to love one another.”
— Neuroscientist Expert [13:54]

Trauma, Memory, and Addiction in the Brain

[03:56–05:16]

• Trauma and addiction are physically situated in left-hemispheric structures; for example, cravings associate with the insular cortex.
  • “If you wipe out craving, do you still have an addiction?” (Neuroscientist, 03:58)

Exercise: Flipping Between Hemispheres Using Light

[15:01–20:48]

• The neuroscientist leads Steven through a practical demonstration involving special glasses to shine light into different parts of his visual field, stimulating one hemisphere over the other.
• Steven reports noticeable shifts in mood and focus:
  • Left hemisphere (focus):
    • “I feel...very focused on doing this job as the host.” (Steven, 16:36)
  • Right hemisphere (relaxation):
    • “I just feel way more relaxed. I feel like I'm laying low on a sun lounger.” (Steven, 17:35)
• This mimics how we can “prime” the brain for focus (left) or relaxation/creativity (right).
• “This is an easy, easy way for people to control and choose how they want to be between their two hemispheres and really get to know [themselves].” (Neuroscientist, 18:16)

Notable Science

• Describes Harvard research by Marty Teicher and Frederick Schiffer using similar techniques for psychiatric healing.
• “This isn’t about a placebo having a behavioral impact. This is the anatomy of the brain.” (Neuroscientist, 18:23)

Practice: Switching Between Personalities Intentionally

[20:49–25:59]

• The four characters can be observed, identified, and intentionally activated to improve mental health and performance.
  • First step: Observe yourself and ask which character is present in any situation.
  • “Once you know who your four characters are...I can jump between all four in an instant because I know them so well.” (Neuroscientist, 21:48)
• Physicians are trained to “hopscotch” to rediscover their playful, right-emotional side, combatting burnout and building resilience.

Key Guidance

• “If you’re not at play much, then you might want to give yourself a little bit more play.” (Neuroscientist, 22:54)
• “The beauty of being a human is you have all four parts of this brain. This is our design. But we are functioning with only one online as conscious.” (Neuroscientist, 24:44)

Memorable Analogy

• Life is “a party...Life can be play.” (Neuroscientist, 25:56)

Awe, Existence, and Spiritual Reflection

[12:28–13:54]

• The neuroscientist shares a vivid and poetic description of the sheer odds and wonder of existence, illustrating the wisdom and gratitude accessible through character four.
  • “The wonder of the odds you had to beat just to be here...”
  • “Literally the energy of the universe is what is fueling all of this from happening. You are nothing other than mass and energy working together.” (Neuroscientist, 13:48)

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Timeline & Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:39] — Introduction to brain evolution and key structures
• [02:05] — Role of the amygdala and emotional safety
• [05:17] — Summary and naming of the four brain characters
• [07:12] — Left-hemispheric emotional pain and trauma
• [07:44] — The playful and impulsive right-brain character
• [12:28] — Awe and spiritual connection (character four wisdom)
• [13:54] — The power of love, connection, and societal healing
• [15:01] — Demonstration: using light and “switching” hemispheres (practical exercise)
• [20:49] — How to identify and switch personalities in daily life
• [24:44] — The ‘four-part brain’ as human design, call to wholeness

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Memorable Quotes

• “We are wired at the core of our being... to feel peace.”
  Neuroscientist, 12:28
• “Character two is our pain from the past... and in our society, everything’s about our pain.”
  Neuroscientist, 07:14
• “The beauty of being a human is you have all four parts of this brain. This is our design.”
  Neuroscientist, 24:44
• “Our number one job is to love one another. When we love one another... we all grow and we will benefit as humanity.”
  Neuroscientist, 13:54
• “Life can be play.”
  Neuroscientist, 25:56

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Engaging Takeaways

• Understanding and naming your four “characters” enables you to become more self-aware, flexible, and resilient.
• You can shift between focus and creativity, work mode and play mode, judgment and awe, by recognizing the neurobiological groundings of these states.
• Emotional pain and trauma are not your identity, but one part of the brain seeking protection; you can learn to “love on it and be kind to it.”
• Practical exercises—like shifting sensory input—can help you rebalance yourself, backed up by neuroscience.
• The essence of a fulfilled life lies in self-love, mutual support, and appreciating the astronomical odds that allow us to simply be alive.

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For Further Listening

This episode was a “Most Replayed Moment”—for the full discussion, see the original episode link in the show notes.

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Transcript

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[Interviewer]

So you said there's four personalities in everybody's brain. What are those four personalities?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

As we're looking at the brain just from an anatomical perspective, the way evolution happens for the mammalian brain is that there are creatures who have a spinal cord and they have. And then there are creatures like that, like wor. And then a little brain, a little medulla will form at the top of that tissue. And then now that brain controls and streamlines information processing to the rest of the system. And then we add a pons.

[Interviewer]

What's that?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

It's just a structure of cells. So this is the medulla. We would have spinal cord there. And this is the pons. Call it the pons. It's a group of cells. Yeah, it's a smaller brain. And in relationship to that pons is this cerebellum. And the cerebellum has this gorgeous cell in it called the purkinje cell. And they're like a hand, they're like two dimensional and they all line up like this and then fibers run through those. And it's part of the mechanism of timing, so that you have fluidity of movement because of the way those cells are aligned. So not all cells are created equal and not all cells look alike. Cells have the right shape for the right job. So as then we grow, and now we have the mammalian brain, we're going to have the hippocampus. You've heard of that? For learning and memory. The amygdala. You've heard that for am I safe?

[Interviewer]

Am I safe?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Are you safe? The amygdala. Yeah, there's a group of cells right there that is scanning constantly. Am I safe? Am I safe? Am I safe? And you're fine until you're not safe.

[Interviewer]

Okay, so like threat detection.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Yes, that's exactly what it is. You have two emotional systems, one in your left hemisphere and one in your right hemisphere. And the right hemisphere is going to be right here, right now. Am I safe? In the right here, right now? So let's say all of a sudden a snake went by and we would jump, we would startle. Because it's your right amygdala saying, oh, my gosh, am I safe? And then the left hemisphere is going, oh, my gosh, it's a snake. No, I'm not safe. Push it away. And when we're calm, that's when the hippocampi, because we have two amygdala, one in each hemisphere, two hippocampi, one in each hemisphere. And when the amygdala are calm and you feel safe now you can learn and focus, focus with the anterior, with the cingulate gyrus and learn new things. So. So you know these groups of cells. Now, if you wipe out an amygdala, you're not going to feel any fear. You wipe out a language center, you're not going to have any language. You wipe out motor skills to your index finger, and you can't. You're paralyzed. So every ability you have is because we have these brain cells that perform that function. So for the four parts of us, so we have an emotional system in each hemisphere, the emotional system of the right hemisphere, this is a right here, right now machine. Right here, right now, that's all it has. Doesn't have the past, doesn't have the future, doesn't know who you are, doesn't have anxiety, depression. Well, it has anxiety. But most of that is going to be based in the left hemisphere because this machine, the left hemisphere, has linearity across time. So this emotional system is remembering every traumatic event that ever happened to you that you don't want to have happen again.

[Interviewer]

Is that where trauma lives in the brain?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Trauma's living in there, as is addiction. Addiction. There's a group of cells in here called the insular cortex, and that's where craving is, and that's part of the limbic system of the left hemisphere. And if you wipe out craving, do you still have an addiction? So this is so. So let me just keep going. So we have these two emotional systems, and then we have these two thinking systems. And the thinking system is what distinguish us as humans from all of their mammals. Okay, so our mammals, our dogs love us. There ain't any question about that. Our dogs can punish us when we're not very, you know, we don't show up. And we've sent them to doggy care if they're not happy about that. So mammals have other forms, but we have this higher executive functioning. And in the right hemisphere, it's right here, right now. And in the left hemisphere, it's all about me. Because in there in that thinking is my ego center. In that prefrontal region, I me, I ex. Back here, orientation, association area. I begin and I end here. This is the package of me, the individual. I have a language I can create, language I can understand, language I can read, I can write. I have mathematics in there. And this motor system controls the opposite side of my body. So that's a personality.

[Interviewer]

So what are the. To summarize them, what are the four types?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Okay, so I. When I look at a brain, and this is totally randomly named, and I did that because I had to communicate about it somewhere. So I call left thinking Character one. And I actually give that part of my brain a name. I call her Helen. Hell on wheels. She gets it done. You're talking to Helen right now. She's giving you facts and details. She is all about what is right and wrong and good and bad. How do I fit myself into a society, how do I use my words in order to communicate? So this is the part of us that goes to work. It's our A type personality. Character one, left thinking.

[Interviewer]

And that's. That's on this side here?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Yeah, well, it's all. It's. It's this outer. This outer layer of cells is called the cerebral cortex. And the cerebral cortex is actually in human, made up of mostly six layers of cells. It's very complex. In some areas, especially where you have sensory systems, it's just going to be four layers. But this is a complex portion of the organ that separates us from other animals.

[Interviewer]

What about Character two?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

So Character two is going to be the left emotion. Now the difference between the things you can say predictably about the left hemisphere is it has linearity across time. And it has me, the individual, and my emotional system then has my past pain. And it wants. And it's kind of always looking for a reason to knee jerk react and have emotional reactivity. So so many people are trying to fix or heal or get rid of their emotional reactivity. This is a portion of our brain which is running constantly in the background to protect us from in the present moment when new information comes in. So we want to work with that and we want to appreciate it and we want to love on it and we want to be kind to it because it's generally not very happy because it is storing all of our pain from the past.

[Interviewer]

And would you call that Character two?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

I call mine Abby. We could spend a whole semester talking about Character two. Because Character two is our pain from the past. And in our society, everything's about our pain. From the past and our professional self. Character three is going to be the emotional content of the right hemisphere. Well, this is right here, right now. What am I experiencing? Emotionally experiential. This is where. What's the temperature of the air? What does it feel like to have clothing on? What does that feel like on your body?

[Interviewer]

When you meditate, they ask you to become aware of your environment. Right.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

And focus on your breath. Exactly. Because. Because they want you to expand yourself one out of the thinking consciousness. And right and wrong, good and bad, structure the box that we think in of the left thinking. And they want you to stop, you know, thinking about your girlfriend. And boy, we didn't really end it very well. Or boy, I had a great morning this morning. Okay, so. So this is playful. So character three, it's young. We have two little people inside of ourselves and that's the emotional. They're immature. We are feeling creatures as biological creatures. We are feeling creatures who think. So a lot of character threes, actually we have character three moments that land us in jail. Because it's not thinking about consequences of behavior. It's just thinking, oh yeah, the Neighbors Pool, it's 3:00 in the morning, they won't notice. Let's go jump in their pool. And then the next thing we know, you know, we've been arrested. So then character four is the thinking portion of our brain. This is our wisdom. We go and we have experiences and we learn because neuroplasticity is real and we have to have neuroplasticity. And this is all about the cells, neurons in real time, reaching out, making new connections constantly. But their cell bodies are in position. But in order for me to make an association between you and something else, then I actually grow to you and I grow to the something else. And then I learn about that. So our capacity to learn is what is the underlying feature is neuroplasticity. I would not be sitting here talking to you today if neuroplasticity didn't turn on fire when I needed it for eight years. And it took eight years for me to use what I had in this brain to rebuild the skill sets of this brain. But the thinking portion, the character four portion of our brain is the wisdom that we gain from the knowledge that we have had and we have associated it and we can relate to it. And this part, all it cares about is that emotion that I felt that morning, which was all. All that I'm allowed alive at all. And when we can connect to that people, people, you know, it's billion dollar industry of meditation to quiet what's going on in the left hemisphere so that we can open up the possibility to what's going on in the right hemisphere. And it's our peace. We are wired at the core of our being, of our right thinking tissue to feel peace. And we do not exist in a world that is peaceful. So if we are functioning on an extreme left brain, left thinking, and we are emotionally volatile when people insult us and we're all about the me, me, me and we have forgotten about the. We look at the world we currently live in and right now we are so skewed to me, the individual, and I want more. And I'm against you because you're not a part of my tribe. And we balance that by knowing that I am alive. It is this incredibly precious gift. The odds that I had to beat just to be here. Have you ever stopped to think about the odds you had to beat just to be here? Think about this. Now, first of all, think about this. The little egg cell that would evolve into you eventually, it took form. It's about the size of, you know, it's an egg cell. It's tiny, but it took form during your mother's fifth week of gestation. So your mother, your. Your grandmother's pregnant, right? And that little egg cell that would be your mother has now made it into the womb. And during the fifth week of being there, the little egg cell that would grow into you took form, it differentiated into the ovum. And so you, the little egg cell, witnessed the next eight months of your mother's gestation, Your mother's birth, your mother's screaming, your mother's toddler years. Your mother's learning to sing and laugh and play and learn geography all the way through her puberty. And then so she's born with some 400,000 egg cells in HER2 ovaries. And out of those 400,000 egg cells, approximately 500 of those egg cells are going to be the next follicular eruption, month by month by month with her period and your little egg cell. Imagine you're hanging out in your little ovarian follicle and it's your turn, and you're getting all prepped by the hormones of the body going, oh, my God, it's my ride, right? And you're this little exhale, and then the hormones swoop by your little exhale and it beams you out and the fimbriae of the fallopian tubes gather you up and you begin your promenade, your fallopian Promenade on the way road to your mother's sacred womb. And in that moment, your father was there for you and you were one of the lucky ones. And you beat the odds of all those egg cells. You beat the odds. And how can that not be something that we celebrate? The wonder of the odds you had to beat just to be here. And then for the next nine months, that little egg cell is going to multiply its DNA, repackage that DNA. One cell becomes two, becomes four, becomes eight, becomes 16, becomes 50 trillion cells over the course of nine months. And you're multiplying egg cells at a rate of 250,000 new cells per second per second, not per minute per second. You're this explosion. And literally the energy of the universe is what is fueling all of this from happening. You are nothing other than mass and energy working together. And then there's you. And it's like, how on earth can I have mental health problems and not acknowledge and have all for what we are? Oh, gosh. And that's what. That was the gift that stroke gave to my life. And you can see I get a little excited about it.

[Interviewer]

A little. Yeah.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

We are so beautiful. We are so beautiful. We are perfect and whole and beautiful just the way we are. And it's like if we would become balanced as a society, we would. I truly believe, truly believe with every essence of my being that our number one job is to love one another. When we love one another and we support one another and we encourage one another, we all grow and we will benefit as humanity. And when that happens, we will really recognize we have fragile resources on this planet and we need to nurture the planet as a part of us because we have a symbiotic relationship with this planet. Chokes me up.

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[Neuroscientist Expert]

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[Interviewer]

Okay, what are these?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

I would like for you to put those on.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Now. Okay. And I just want you to sit in that for like, oh, just, you know, 30 seconds, 20 seconds. Actually, it's pretty good. Look on you there. Yeah, exactly. Okay, now I would like for you to pull your right one. The little. Do you see how it's got a little, little edge? Yeah, yeah. Flip it up. It'll flip up. Yeah, and flip it all the way up. Now what you're doing right now is you are bringing light in from the lateral portion of your visual field. What does that mean of that? Ey. So close one eye and leave one eye open. Okay. That's a ball. Okay. Down the middle is an artificial line outside the outside portion that is called lateral, and the inside side is called medial. And so the lateral light is now coming in, and that hits the medial side of your retina. And the retina is the back of the eyeball.

[Interviewer]

Okay. So the light's coming in from the outside of my eye, and it's hitting the inside of my eye.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

It's hitting the. It's coming out from the outside of your vent visual field. It's hitting the medial internal side of your retina. And then those fibers are, boom, Crossing over to the opposite hemisphere.

[Interviewer]

Okay, I'll put a diagram on the screen for anyone.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So right now you are purposely stimulating your left hemisphere. So I want you to just. How do you feel inside of your body? Just describe a few things to me. How do you feel? Feeling analytical about anything. Thinking about it.

[Interviewer]

My back has got a little bit of a pain in it, but otherwise just very focused on doing this job as the host of the Diary of a CEO.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Beautiful. Just focus, which is what that left hemisphere should do. So go ahead and flip that down.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Yeah. And then just, like, stay for, like, 20 seconds and let everything kind of equilibrate to whatever the darkness is that's in there.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

All right. Okay. Go ahead, then, and pull up the other side. It's a good look. It's like a little flag right there. Yeah. Okay. How do you feel?

[Interviewer]

Weirdly, I felt more relaxed.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Now or before?

[Interviewer]

No, now I feel more relaxed.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Your whole body just went calm?

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

What else? Tell me something more. Any aches or pains in your body?

[Interviewer]

I just feel way more relaxed. I feel like I'm laying low on a sun lounger.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Yeah, that's what the right brain feels like. So you're bringing less information in from that. The light of the lateral side of your visual field, it's hitting the. The medial portion of your retina and crossing into your right hemisphere. So what you're doing right now is you're sending light energy photons into the right hemisphere, and it is pushing through. And now this is an easy, easy way for people to control and choose how they want to be between their two hemispheres and really get to know.

[Interviewer]

Oh, how do I know this isn't just a placebo? Like, how do I. Because I said I do Feel way more relaxed, like I can't be bothered to carry on this interview.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Well, if you look at the anatomy, if you look at the anatomy, this is where light is coming in on the. You can't really see it on here, but that's going to be information from your eyeballs which would be sitting right here. Right there. This is fibers. You're wired for this. This is how you are wired. That's why everything about you. This isn't about a placebo having a behavioral impact. This is the anatomy of the brain.

[Interviewer]

Have they tested this in trials?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Oh, absolutely. In fact, they just did a brand new one at Harvard and. And showed it on fmri. Yeah. And have they done like a double

[Interviewer]

blind control trial where they. Yeah, these glasses on and then ask people how they feel?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Well, even more than that, they're doing. They're manipulating the light source in different kinds of ways. I'm not involved with that work, but I know that Marty Teicher at Harvard, as well as Frederick Schiffer. Now, Frederick Schiffer is a psychiatrist who has been doing psychiatry at Harvard Medical School for his whole career. And he would use these types of glasses with his psychiatric patients and would show the patient that there is a part of them that is less well and one side that is more ill. And so he would use the relationship between these two different characters, these two different personalities, to find more peace and healing.

[Interviewer]

I feel very. It's weird. I felt. I just lifted up the right side again and put the left side down. And I immediately felt. Well, not immediately, but it took a little while, 20 seconds. I felt focused again. Is that just placebo? Am I making.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

No, that's what you're wired. That's why you can feel focused because of the cell that you are now stimulating in the other hemisphere. It's not about focus. Doesn't care about focus. It cares about the big picture and your relationship to the big picture. So it's not like the brain is just this soup of cells. These cells are very specifically organized. Every ability you have is because you have brain cells that perform that function. And all you're doing right now is preferentially stimulating certain cells. It's kind of like, okay, I'm going to open my eyes and to experience vision. Well, that's not a placebo.

[Interviewer]

If I want to be able to actively switch between these different parts, these four personalities in my brain, so I can be most effective in a given situation, is there a practice where I can control my brain in that way?

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Absolutely. In your life, this Is a practice. You don't just learn it and then go do it. This is a practice. You got to say to yourself, first step. Step number one, recognize in this moment, am I using my left thinking, judgment, listening to this conversation? And what is my judgment? Is my judgment, yes, this makes sense. This is interesting. I want more. Or is this, oh, this is just crap. I just can't go there. I got to turn it off or. Okay, I'll give you an example. Once you know who your four characters are, once you have really thought about them, studied about them, paid attention to what your. When they come out in you, what they feel like inside of your body, I can. I can jump between all four in an instant because I know them so well.

[Interviewer]

But is there a practice you have to say, so this is what I do.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

So this is what I do? Well, once you know the four of them and the only way to know them is to practice with them, get to know them. When do you get really unhappy? Who unhappies you? When do you want to growl at people? I wouldn't name her name and don't name a name. But you know, see, you went straight into that character two part of you, that's the only part of you that holds grudges. Your right thinking doesn't care about that. It doesn't even know about that because that's in the past. So here's the key. Step number one, Observe yourself. When am I being a character? One, when am I at work? When am I speaking and organizing and making a to do list? And when do I like to be the boss? And when do I like to control people, places, things and time and all of that. When am I doing that? Well, you know that part of yourself very well. He's probably called Steven. The part of you that is not very happy. You know, your parents probably know this part of you. Your girlfriend definitely knows this part of you, right?

[Interviewer]

Yes.

[Neuroscientist Expert]

Okay. When are you playful? What does it feel like? It feels completely different than when you're at work or when you're not happy. When are you at play? And if you're not at play much, then you might want to give yourself a little bit more play. So I was working with a group of physicians because this physicians are very busy people. And right now the physician is a very high level of suicide. So I care passionately about this population because they're not finding any peace because society expects them to be left thinking all the time. They're supposed to be the authority, and they can't have any Mental health issues, because they're the ones we go to for mental health issues. So all they can do, they don't have time. They are busy, busy, busy. And they're not very happy about it. And our system is a mess, so they're having to deal with that. So I was working with a group, and I said, okay, I want you to take a pair of chalk outside of the ER room, and I want you to draw a hopscotch. And what happened was all these doctors in and out, and these medical professionals were hopscotching in and hopscotching out. And that just. That helped them bring their glee back just for a moment, just for an instant. So this is the glee. And it's exciting and it's fun, and it's like, figure out what brings you joy and do that and know. And. And. And this is why it really helps to know this. Because if you're gonna say, okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go play basketball. I come from Indiana. Everybody plays basketball. I'm gonna go play basketball, and I'm gonna go do it for 20 minutes. And my character one is over here saying, we don't have time for you to go shoot some hoops, girl. We got business to take care of. We're on a deadline. And little charact, I will refresh you. I will be your pause. I will refuel your spirit. I take the stress away from that subject. I release. I have all kinds of endorphins and excitement stuff going on. And then I go back and I do such a more creative and open job because I made space instead of just the drive, drive, drive, drive, do, do, do. Linear, linear, linear. The beauty of being a human is you have all four parts of this brain. This is our design. But we are functioning with only one online as conscious. Imagine. Imagine if you could say, in this instant, I want to feel as though. Just feel as though whatever your spiritual beliefs or your beliefs about a higher power, whatever, just call it the universe. Because we know there's a bunch of rocks spinning around in space, and we're on one of them, hanging on for life, just being human, right? So that's all happening. So, oh, my gosh, I can say thank you to all those rocks for being in the positions they're in so that we're still here. And I can feel this deep sense of gratitude. And as soon as I feel that gratitude and that, aw, oh, my God, I exist at all. And it could be over like that, and then it's over. But right now, It's a party Life can be play

[Interviewer]

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