Exploring Digital Asset Policy and Economic Growth with Chase Ergen | Ep 1034

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Podcast Summary: The Digital Executive

Episode: Exploring Digital Asset Policy and Economic Growth with Chase Ergen | Ep 1034

Host: Coruzant Technologies
Guest: Chase Ergen (Executive Director, Make America Wealthy Again Super PAC; Board Member, Defi Technologies)
Date: March 26, 2025
Duration: ~8 minutes

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Episode Overview

This episode features an interview with Chase Ergen, executive director of the Make America Wealthy Again (MAWA) Super PAC and a board member at Defi Technologies. The conversation centers on U.S. digital asset policy, empowering young innovators, and how forward-thinking tax and legislative action can drive economic growth and technological leadership for the nation. Ergen also details MAWA’s strategic agenda to bring tech talent and investment back to the U.S., and his vision for shaping the future digital economy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. MAWA's Mission and Three-Point Plan

(01:03 – 01:39)

• Economic Agenda: Empowering young people to participate in politics and wealth creation.
• Legislative Agenda: Advocating for laws that enshrine wealth preservation and creation.
• Representative Agenda: Supporting political candidates who will champion these initiatives, aiming to "return the power to the next generation of young wealth creators."

Chase Ergen (01:03): “We have a three point plan, which is an economic, representative, and legislative agenda... We want to get representatives into Congress and government who respect this initiative and return the power to the next generation of young wealth creators.”

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2. Proposed Tax Policies for the Digital Economy

(02:06 – 03:21)

• 0% Tax on Digital Assets: MAWA advocates for a zero-tax policy to encourage digital asset innovators to keep their investment and IP in the U.S.
• Rationale: Lower tax rates would incentivize “trillions of dollars” to return, boosting U.S. leadership in the digital economy.
• Comparison to Big Tech: Companies like Apple, Google, and Meta keep profits abroad due to favorable foreign tax structures; MAWA proposes aligning digital asset policies to keep such innovations domestic.

Chase Ergen (02:06): “We think that 0% tax on digital assets will allow revamped states to be the leader in the world... People in the country will keep their innovation in the United States and hire Americans...and bring trillions of dollars back into the United States.”

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3. Retaining Tech Talent: Lessons from Binance

(04:04 – 05:01)

• Binance as a Cautionary Tale: Regulatory challenges forced Binance, founded by a U.S.-based innovator, to relocate its business abroad, costing the U.S. significant economic opportunity.
• MAWA’s Approach: A dual legislative and representative strategy to ensure business- and tech-friendly lawmakers are in place, avoiding repeat scenarios and supporting homegrown innovation.

Chase Ergen (04:04): “They decided to pursue regulatory and legal cases against [the Binance founder]... now his $35 trillion a year business is outside of the United States. So through legislative and representative initiatives... we hope that these leaders will make laws and continue to represent those types of technologists...”

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4. Policy Momentum and the Current Administration

(05:14 – 06:07)

• Trump Administration Actions: Moves like a proposed strategic Bitcoin reserve, sovereign wealth fund, and zero tax up to $150,000 are paving the way for digital growth.
• Legislative Backing Needed: Ergen emphasizes executive actions must be underpinned by lasting legislation, rebuilding trust with the next generation of engineers and wealth creators.
• Entrepreneurial Influences: Cites the momentum from leaders like Elon Musk and highlights the role of youth in driving technological progress.

Chase Ergen (05:14): “They want to do a sovereign wealth fund... bring in innovation with the crypto and AI Council. But there's only so much that the executive branch can do. The legislative branch has to back that up for these laws to have lasting effect...”

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5. MAWA’s Vision for U.S. Digital Economy Policy

(06:41 – 07:53)

• Fixing a Broken Economic System: Aims to support forward-minded laws and representatives who listen to digital economy leaders.
• Straightforward Regulation: Advocates legalization of stablecoins, zero digital asset tax, and clear legal/tax codes for trust and economic flourishing.
• Lobbying & Representation: MAWA will actively lobby and help elect next-gen wealth creators to ensure U.S. digital asset policy sets global standards.

Chase Ergen (06:41): “We want to support initiatives, laws, representatives that understand U.S. economic policy is broken, it needs to be fixed... help U.S. digital economy, digital asset policy become global policy... lobbying to pass laws and helping representatives get into Congress so we have a next generation of wealth creators...”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Empowering the Next Generation:

  “We want to get representatives into Congress...who return the power to the next generation of young wealth creators.”
  (Chase Ergen, 01:26)

• On Global Tax Competition and U.S. Innovation:

  “Many of the cryptocurrencies... are American cryptographers, American technologists, but those assets are held outside of the United States.”
  (Chase Ergen, 02:54)

• Legislative-Executive Collaboration:

  “There's only so much that the executive branch can do. The legislative branch has to back that up for these laws to have lasting effect...”
  (Chase Ergen, 05:37)

• Shaping Global Policy:

  “We want to help U.S. Digital economy, digital asset policy become global policy.”
  (Chase Ergen, 07:14)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• MAWA Three-Point Plan: 01:03 – 01:39
• 0% Digital Asset Tax Proposal: 02:06 – 03:21
• Binance & Regulatory Failures: 04:04 – 05:01
• Trump Administration & Legislative Needs: 05:14 – 06:07
• Future Aspirations for Policy & Lobbying: 06:41 – 07:53

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Conclusion

Chase Ergen’s appearance on The Digital Executive underscores the urgency and promise of transformational digital asset policy in the U.S. Through MAWA's focused three-point plan, a bold tax vision, and strategic legislative advocacy, Ergen positions the organization as a key player in recapturing tech leadership and economic dynamism for future generations. The conversation is rich with direct policy proposals and a call to align legislative action with emerging economic realities.

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to Coruscant Technologies, home of the Digital Executive podcast. Welcome to the Digital Executive. Today's guest is Chase Ergan. Chase Ergan is the executive director of the Make America Wealthy Again super pac which is presently undergoing FEC registration and board member of Defi Technologies, a next generation digital asset pioneer and serving to support America's 21st century economic prosperity and representation. Well, good afternoon, Chase. Welcome to the show.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Absolutely. I appreciate it. Getting up a little bit early today. You're from Colorado there and I'm in Kansas City. So just an hour apart. Trying to stay close today, not traveling outside North America for the podcast. But Chase, I'm going to jump right into your first question here. As the executive director of Make America Wealthy Again, or MAWA super pac, can you elaborate on the organization's primary objectives and the strategies you're implementing to achieve them?

[B]

Yes, we have a three point plan which is a economic, representative and legislative agenda. On the economic, we want to empower young people to participate in politics. On the legislative agenda, we want to enshrine wealth preservation and creation into law. And on the representative side, we want to get representatives into Congress and government who respect this initiative and return the power to the next generation of young wealth creators. Great.

[A]

Thank you. I appreciate that. You did highlight those three things, economic, obviously, legislative and representative. Right. We want to ensure that we're doing the right thing and passing this on to generations to come. So I appreciate it and looking forward to following more on MAWA for sure. So. So Chase Mala emphasizes empowering young creators and entrepreneurs in the digital economy. Could you discuss the specific tax policy proposals you put forward to support this demographic?

[B]

In line with the current administration, we think that 0% tax on digital assets will allow revamped states to be the leader in the world. With this digital economy, people from abroad will pour things their money into the country. People in the country will keep their innovation in the United States and hire Americans and continue to invest in technologies that are developed in America and go abroad. If you look at a lot of the technology in the digital asset space now it's American technology and American creators. However, they have kept a lot of that innovation overseas. If you look at Apple, you look at Google, you look at Meta, they keep a lot of their money outside of the country. They benefit from a 2 to 3% corporate tax. If you look at many of the cryptocurrencies and decentralized finance protocols, those are American cryptographers, American technologists, but those assets are held outside of the United States. And we think with a straightforward tax policy that will bring trillions of dollars back into the United States and give it the opportunity to really become a leader.

[A]

Thank you. I appreciate you highlighting that. We believe here are publications built on Web3 blockchain. We believe in defi. I support crypto and digital. I think that's awesome. I like what you're proposing, the 0% tax on digital assets. I think that will incentivize people to invest in America, invest in some of these technologies in the digital space for sure. And we do need to bring some of that money back to the US to support this great that we're trying to build the way it was designed by our forefathers. So I appreciate that. And chase the next question here. Reflecting on the Binance case, where regulatory challenges led to innovations moving overseas, how does Malwa plan to advocate for policies that retain tech talent and businesses within the United States?

[B]

This is why we have a representative legislative agenda is because what happened with Binance, the United States had the founder of a multi trillion dollar industry. They decided to pursue regulatory and legal cases against him. He paid a fine and he went overseas. So now his $35 trillion a year business is outside of the United States. They had him in the United States and they could have kept that innovation there. So through legislative and representative initiatives, which is, you know, working with the existing Congress and working in the midterms next year to put in more business friendly, tech friendly people in Congress, we hope that these leaders will make laws and continue to represent those types of technologists, to harness them in the United States.

[A]

Thank you. I think that's so important. You highlighted a great example with the Binance case, obviously. And there's been many times where people in my community are frustrated because it's hard to get on the Binance network. Right?

[B]

Yeah. And I think this current administration under Donald Trump is rapidly trying to figure that out. They are offering a strategic Bitcoin reserve. They want to do a sovereign wealth fund. They want to give zero tax up to $150,000. They want to bring in innovation with the crypto and AI Council. But there's only so much that the executive branch can do. The legislative branch has to back that up for these laws to have lasting effect and therefore rebuild the trust with that younger generation who's the future of the country. If you look at young people, these are the engineers behind Nvidia, Google, Apple, Facebook, Meta X. And so under the leadership of Trump, with support of entrepreneurs like Elon Musk, we're very excited about that and we just want to continue that momentum. That's great.

[A]

Again, love and support DeFi, crypto web3 blockchain. That is our space. That's what our publication is built on and we love it. And I'm glad that you're trying to work with initiatives that are representative and legislative to help influence our Congress representatives to build better laws to give power back to the people as I like to say. So thank you. And Chase, the last question of the day. Looking ahead, what are your aspirations for Mawa's influence on US Economic policy and how do you envision that organizations role in shaping the future of the digital economy?

[B]

We want to support initiatives, laws, representatives that understand U.S. economic policy is broken, it needs to be fixed. And how that's going to be fixed is working with leaders of the digital economy in listening to them and reacting with straightforward laws such as legalized Stablecoins, such as 0% tax on digital assets, protections for technology companies so that the tax code and the legal system is very straightforward and they rebuild the trust with those people so that the economy can flourish. So we want to help US Digital economy, digital asset policy become global policy. And I think with a few laws that are already on the way and changes in this administration that's well underway and we want to be there to support it. But specifically it will be in lobbying to pass laws and helping representatives get into Congress so we have a next generation of wealth creators in Congress who work with the industry to help them flourish.

[A]

Thank you, appreciate that. And of course we all want to support initiatives and laws that will fix our broken economic system around digital assets. Of course the love the support for legalizing stablecoins. I think that's a big thing. And then obviously we want to make sure that our tax and legal systems are straightforward, clear that way for a stronger economic system and really a way for everybody, the average person to understand how to navigate the complex system we live in today. So I appreciate that And Chase, it was such a pleasure having you on today and I look forward to speaking with you real soon.

[B]

Thank you very much for your time and looking forward to working with you in the future. Thanks a lot.

[A]

Bye for now.