Exploring Digital Asset Policy and Economic Growth with Chase Ergen | Ep 1034

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The Digital Executive
Episode: Exploring Digital Asset Policy and Economic Growth with Chase Ergen | Ep 1034
Date: March 26, 2025
Host: Coruzant Technologies
Guest: Chase Ergen, Executive Director of Make America Wealthy Again (MAWA) Super PAC and Board Member at Defi Technologies

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Overview

This episode spotlights Chase Ergen’s vision for economic growth in America through a progressive digital asset policy. Ergen, representing the Make America Wealthy Again (MAWA) Super PAC and Defi Technologies, lays out strategic legislative, representative, and economic initiatives aimed at empowering young wealth creators and retaining innovation within the US. The conversation dives into tax policy proposals for digital assets, regulatory challenges exemplified by the Binance case, and MAWA’s ambitions to help shape national—and ultimately global—digital economic policy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

MAWA’s Mission and Three-Point Plan

[01:03] - [01:39]

• Economic Agenda: Empower young people to participate in politics and wealth creation.

• Legislative Agenda: Promote laws enshrining wealth preservation and creation.

• Representative Agenda: Support political candidates who champion next-generation wealth creators.

  Quote:
  “We want to get representatives into Congress and government who respect this initiative and return the power to the next generation of young wealth creators.”
  — Chase Ergen [01:28]

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Innovative Tax Policy for Digital Assets

[02:06] - [03:21]

• MAWA proposes a 0% tax on digital assets to keep innovation in the US and attract international investment.

• Current high taxes and regulatory complexity are sending digital innovation overseas, despite it being largely US-driven in origin.

• Highlights the paradox where US tech giants and crypto protocols keep assets abroad to dodge punitive taxes.

  Quote:
  “We think that 0% tax on digital assets will allow the United States to be the leader in the world. People from abroad will pour their money into the country. People in the country will keep their innovation in the United States and hire Americans... With a straightforward tax policy that will bring trillions of dollars back into the United States.”
  — Chase Ergen [02:13]

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Binance Case: Retaining Talent & Business Domestically

[04:04] - [05:14]

• Discusses the loss of Binance and its founder to overseas markets due to US regulatory crackdowns.

• Criticizes policy decisions leading to capital flight and misses out on a multi-trillion-dollar business ecosystem.

  Quote:
  “The United States had the founder of a multi-trillion dollar industry. They... decided to pursue regulatory and legal cases against him. He paid a fine and went overseas. So now his $35 trillion a year business is outside of the United States.”
  — Chase Ergen [04:12]

• Calls for a two-pronged effort: legislative advocacy and electing tech-friendly policymakers.

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Current Policy Shifts and Administration Actions

[05:14] - [06:07]

• Notes policy activity under the Trump administration: strategic Bitcoin reserve, sovereign wealth fund, zero tax up to $150,000, innovation councils for crypto/AI.

• Emphasizes the necessity for Congressional (legislative) support to make these policies lasting and to rebuild youth trust.

  Quote:
  “There’s only so much that the executive branch can do. The legislative branch has to back that up... and therefore rebuild the trust with that younger generation who's the future of the country.”
  — Chase Ergen [05:33]

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Vision for MAWA’s Future Impact & Legislative Goals

[06:41] - [07:53]

• MAWA aims to align US economic policy with the digital age by supporting:

  • Legalization of stablecoins
  • 0% tax on digital assets
  • Regulatory clarity and protection for tech companies
  • Lobbying and supporting tech-forward congressional candidates

  Quote:
  “We want to help US digital economy, digital asset policy become global policy. And I think with a few laws that are already on the way and changes in this administration that's well underway and we want to be there to support it.”
  — Chase Ergen [07:18]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | [01:28] | Chase Ergen | “We want to get representatives into Congress and government who respect this initiative and return the power to the next generation of young wealth creators.” | | [02:13] | Chase Ergen | “0% tax on digital assets will allow the United States to be the leader in the world... trillions of dollars back into the United States.” | | [04:12] | Chase Ergen | “The United States had the founder of a multi-trillion dollar industry... now his $35 trillion a year business is outside of the United States.” | | [05:33] | Chase Ergen | “There’s only so much that the executive branch can do. The legislative branch has to back that up...” | | [07:18] | Chase Ergen | “We want to help US digital economy, digital asset policy become global policy...” |

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Key Takeaways

• The US must modernize its digital asset policies, including tax reform, to retain and attract innovators.
• Legislative and representative changes—not just executive actions—are essential for durable policy.
• MAWA is focused on advocacy, lobbying, and supporting forward-thinking lawmakers for a 21st-century economy.
• Legal clarity, protection for tech innovators, and the embrace of stablecoins are pivotal policy objectives.

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For Listeners

The episode is a fast-paced, forward-looking discussion on how smart digital asset policy can catalyze economic growth. Chase Ergen makes a strong case for tax reform, legislative action, and generational change within Congress, all with the goal of making America the global leader in digital innovation.

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For a deep dive into tech policy, generational empowerment, and the intersection of blockchain innovation with US economic growth, this episode delivers concise, actionable insights direct from a policy insider.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to Coruscant Technologies, home of the Digital Executive podcast. Welcome to the Digital Executive. Today's guest is Chase Ergan. Chase Ergan is the executive director of the Make America Wealthy Again super pac which is presently undergoing FEC registration and board member of Defi Technologies, a next generation digital asset pioneer and serving to support America's 21st century economic prosperity and representation. Well, good afternoon, Chase. Welcome to the show.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Absolutely. I appreciate it. Getting up a little bit early today. You're from Colorado there and I'm in Kansas City. So just an hour apart. Trying to stay close today, not traveling outside North America for the podcast. But Chase, I'm going to jump right into your first question here. As the executive director of Make America Wealthy Again, or MAWA super pac, can you elaborate on the organization's primary objectives and the strategies you're implementing to achieve them?

[B]

Yes. We have a three point plan which is a economic, representative and legislative agenda. On the economic, we want to empower young people to participate in politics. On the legislative agenda, we want to enshrine wealth preservation and creation into law. And on the representative side, we want to get representatives into Congress and government who respect this initiative and return the power to the next generation of young wealth creators. Great.

[A]

Thank you. I appreciate that. You did highlight those three things, economic, obviously, legislative and representative. Right. We want to ensure that we're doing the right thing and passing this on to generations to come. So I appreciate it and looking forward to following more on MAWA for sure. So Chase Mala emphasizes empowering young creators and entrepreneurs in the digital economy. Could you discuss the specific tax policy proposals you've put forward to support this demographic?

[B]

In line with the current administration, we think that 0% tax on digital assets will allow the United States to be the leader in the world. With this digital economy, people from abroad will pour their money into the country. People in the country will keep their innovation in the United States and hire Americans and continue to invest in technologies that are developed in America and go abroad. If you look at a lot of the technology in the digital asset space now it's American technology and American creators. However, they have kept a lot of that innovation overseas. If you look at Apple, you look at Google, you look at Meta, they keep a lot of their money outside of the country. They benefit from a 2 to 3% corporate tax. If you look at many of the cryptocurrencies and decentralized finance protocols, those are American cryptographers, American technologists, but those assets are held outside of the United States. And we think with a straightforward tax policy that will bring trillions of dollars back into the United States and give it the opportunity to really become a leader.

[A]

Thank you. I appreciate you highlighting that. We believe here are publications built on Web3 blockchain. We believe in defi. I support crypto and digital. I think that's awesome. I like what you're proposing, the 0% tax on digital assets. I think that will incentivize people to invest in America, invest in some of these technologies in the digital space for sure. And we do need to bring some of that money back to the US to support this great that we're trying to build the way it was designed by our forefathers. So I appreciate that. And chase the next question here. Reflecting on the Binance case, where regulatory challenges led to innovations moving overseas, how does Mawa plan to advocate for policies that retain tech talent and businesses within the United States?

[B]

This is why we have a representative legislative agenda is because what happened with Binance, the United States had the founder of a multi trillion dollar industry. They decided to pursue regulatory and legal cases against him. He paid a fine and he went overseas. So now his $35 trillion a year business is outside of the United States. They had him in the United States and they could have kept that innovation there. So through legislative and representative initiatives, which is, you know, working with the existing Congress and working in the midterms next year to put in more business friendly, tech friendly people in Congress, we hope that these leaders will make laws and continue to represent those types of technologists, to harness them in the United States.

[A]

Thank you. I think that's so important. You highlighted a great example with the Binance case, obviously. And there's been many times where people in my community are frustrated because it's hard to get on the Binance network. Right?

[B]

Yeah. And I think this current administration under Donald Trump is rapidly trying to figure that out. They are offering a strategic Bitcoin reserve. They want to do a sovereign wealth fund. They want to give zero tax up to $150,000. They want to bring in innovation with the crypto and AI Council. But there's only so much that the executive branch can do. The legislative branch has to back that up for these laws to have lasting effect and therefore rebuild the trust with that younger generation who's the future of the country. If you look at young people, these are the engineers behind Nvidia, Google, Apple, Facebook, Meta X. And so under the leadership of Trump, with support of entrepreneurs like Elon Musk, we're very excited about that and we just want to continue that momentum. That's great.

[A]

Again, love and support DeFi, crypto web3 blockchain. That is our space. That's what our publication is built on and we love it. And I'm glad that you're trying to work with initiatives that are representative and legislative to help influence our Congress representatives to build better laws to give power back to the people as I like to say. So thank you. And Chase, the last question of the day. Looking ahead, what are your aspirations for Mawa's influence on US Economic policy and how do you envision that organizations role in shaping the future of the digital economy?

[B]

We want to support initiatives, laws, representatives that understand U.S. economic policy is broken, it needs to be fixed. And how that's going to be fixed is working with the leaders of the digital economy in listening to them and reacting with straightforward laws such as legalized Stablecoins, such as 0% tax on digital assets, protections for technology companies so that the tax code and the legal system is very straightforward and they rebuild the trust with those people so that the economy can flourish. So we want to help US digital economy, digital asset policy become global policy. And I think with a few laws that are already on the way and changes in this administration that's well underway and we want to be there to support it. But specifically it will be in lobbying to pass laws and helping representatives get into Congress so we have a next generation of wealth creators in Congress who work with the industry to help it flourish.

[A]

Thank you, appreciate that. And of course we all want to support initiatives and laws that will fix our broken economic system around digital assets. Of course love the support for legalizing stablecoins. I think that's a big, big thing. And then obviously we want to make sure that our tax and legal systems are straightforward, clear that way for a stronger economic system and really a way for everybody, the average person to understand how to navigate the complex system we live in today. So I appreciate that. And Chase, it was such a pleasure having you on today and I look forward to speaking with you real soon.

[B]

Thank you very much for your time and looking forward to working with you in the future. Thanks a lot.

[A]

Bye for now. It.