The Dinesh D'Souza Podcast

Episode: ANGRY YOUNG MEN
Date: November 13, 2025
Guest: Michael Savage

Episode Overview

This episode of The Dinesh D'Souza Podcast dives into the phenomenon of "angry young men" on the political right, exploring their roots, grievances, and radicalization, especially in the context of cultural and generational shifts. Dinesh is joined by legendary radio host Michael Savage to analyze rising antisemitism, the fracturing of the Republican Party, and the troubling emergence of scapegoating against Jews and other minorities from within the right. The latter part of the episode delves into philosophical themes concerning liberalism, post-liberalism, economic realities that fuel generational resentment, and a segment about scientific perspectives on immortality.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Root Causes of Angry Young Men (00:30–17:00)

• Dinesh presents and dissects a heartfelt social media post from a parent whose son feels alienated and pathologized in a school environment saturated by Diversity, Equity, Inclusion (DEI), and social justice messaging.
• The parent despises the Groiper movement but argues their anger is rooted in legitimate pushback against institutional hostility:
  • Alienation of Boys: Boys treated as “defective girls,” masculine communication styles marginalized, authority figures almost exclusively female.
  • Overwhelming Leftist Messaging: Classrooms filled with social justice slogans, DEI symbols, and land acknowledgments.
  • Psychological Impact: Young boys labeled privileged yet feel disadvantaged; grievances ignored or denied by educators.
• Key Quote:

  "The real question is not why are some young men radicalizing. The real question is why are there any young men at all who have not been radicalized?" (Parent’s post as relayed by Dinesh, 14:30)

Dinesh’s Response:

• Agrees that leftist ideology has seized campus and school culture, with lasting effects since the 1960s.
• Pushback against the narrative that parents or previous generations could “stop” the takeover; claims they lacked numbers and power.
• Warns against painting generations with a broad brush (“the younger generation is not to blame for all problems, nor is the older one”).
• Recognizes legitimate grievances about economic structures (housing, jobs, tech, immigration, AI) but urges focusing on “where the problem really lies.”

  “We have seen leftism run rampant in our culture… their problems do need to be addressed, and the best way to do it [is to] identify where the problem really lies.” (17:00)

2. Economic Disparity and Generational Frustration (20:17–27:00)

• Dinesh critiques the narrative of declining prospects for younger generations:
  • Home Affordability:
    • Points out that homes in the 1950s and 1980s were smaller and interest rates were often much higher (8–10%), making direct comparisons difficult.
    • Calls for “intelligent discussion” that considers all economic variables—home size, interest rates, income, and affordability, not just sticker prices.
  • Delayed Marriage & Homeownership: Notes that inability to buy homes contributes to delayed adulthood benchmarks but is part of a larger socio-economic shift.
• Key Insight:

  “It's very difficult to have an intelligent discussion when you are not inputting all the data, when you're not looking at the full picture.” (26:30)

3. Liberalism, Post-Liberalism, and the Road Ahead (27:01–31:36)

• Defining Liberalism:
  • Dinesh distinguishes between “Big L” (American-progressive leftism) and “small l” (classical, enlightenment-rooted) liberalism, noting that the American Founders were classical liberals.
• Post-Liberalism:
  • Quotes Adrian Vermeule to illustrate that post-liberalism rejects the core premises of classical liberalism, but may lack positive common ground.
  • Warns that rejection of “small l” liberalism is a rejection of the American Founding.
• Key Quote:

  “It's kind of crazy to go, 'I'm America first, but I hate the founding.' I'm America first, but I repudiate the small-l liberalism of the American Founders.” (29:43)

4. Michael Savage on Antisemitism and the ‘Woke Right’ (31:37–49:06)

Savage’s Article: "How the Woke Right Fractured the GOP" (32:48)

• Savage argues that as America recovers from the “woke left," a new "woke right" led by figures like Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, and Tucker Carlson scapegoats Jews, echoing historic anti-Jewish rhetoric and threatening a repeat of history.
• Notable Quote:

  “Just as America is climbing out of the rubble of the woke left... along comes a black racist named Candace Owens with her little Goebbels, Nick Fuentes, and the once reasonable Tucker Carlson. Collectively, they have found a new niche. The Jew find the problem. The Jew is the cause...” (32:48)

Dinesh and Savage Reflect on Online Hate:

• Both hosts observe rising racist and antisemitic rhetoric, even from corners of the right where they traditionally found support.
• Dinesh notes:

  “If you were to ask either of us... what kind of vicious racism you’ve experienced on the right... I have nothing to tell you because the right is not racist. Even the so-called far right is not racist. ...Now, I don’t know if Debbie or I could say that today.” (34:10)

Why Scapegoating Jews? (36:24+)

• Savage suggests Jews are targeted because, in general, they do not fight back aggressively.
• He provides social commentary on how societal problems create a search for scapegoats—mirroring Germany’s trajectory in the 1930s.
• Dinesh observes similar scapegoating expanding toward Asian Indians, not linked to policy grievances but generalized resentment against minority conservatism.

On the Talmud and Stereotypes (42:19–45:42):

• Savage explains how the Talmud is a vast collection of commentary with diverse and even contradictory views, yet antisemites cherry-pick “nutty” excerpts to justify prejudice.
• Memorable Comparison:

  “The Talmud is a little bit like the X platform of its own day... all kinds of crazy people and kooks and smart people too, all kind of weighing in.” (44:48)

Warning from History:

• Savage stresses that the progression from online dehumanization of Jews to real-world violence mirrors early Nazi-era legal discrimination.
• Key Warning:

  “We're now at the swimming pool phase online. Unless you stand up to these small minded, basically intellectual dwarfs, this could metastasize into something much worse.” (48:20)

5. Science, Philosophy, and the Possibility of the Afterlife (52:00–61:23)

• Dinesh introduces the next chapter in his book, Life After Death: The Evidence:
  • Modern science challenges materialist assumptions; physics now opens up the possibility of unseen realms, multiple universes, and matter behaving differently beyond our experiential world.
  • Refutes Bertrand Russell’s argument against the plausibility of realms outside space, time, and matter.
• Key Takeaway:

  "Far from undermining the chances of life after death, modern physics... show[s] scenarios in which matter can survive with different properties in realms other than our universe." (53:29)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Young Male Alienation:

  “The boys are treated almost as though they are defective girls... The hostility toward the boys that is driven in at every level of the institution produces at some point, a pushback and a revolt.” (08:30)

• On Generational Blame:

  “You can't put a sort of onus on an entire generation. The real question is, what did the conservatives of your time do to fight these things? ...How effectively did they do them?” (16:00)

• On Scapegoating Jews:

  “They claim the Jews are satanic without realizing their own religion, which they have hijacked, that is Christianity, is based on Judaism. In essence, they are condemning themselves without knowing it.” – Michael Savage (33:20)

• On the Evolution of Rhetoric:

  “These are people, Dinesh. You, you’d had a career-ending post on X. And I'm like, my career has supposedly been ending since like 1991. So tell me another one.” (35:45)

• On the Danger of Online Hatred:

  “Unless you nip this in the bud, we're now at the swimming pool phase online. Unless you stand up to these small minded... intellectual dwarfs, this could metastasize into something much worse.” – Michael Savage (48:20)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:30 – Introduction of episode theme: angry young men, Groypers, post-liberalism, and Michael Savage’s appearance
• 03:00–17:00 – Deconstructing the experience of boys in modern schools; rise of the angry young male
• 20:17–27:00 – Economic discussion: housing, generational differences, and delayed milestones
• 27:01–31:36 – What is liberalism/post-liberalism? Contrasting American and European meanings
• 31:37–49:06 – Michael Savage interview: antisemitism on the right and the fracturing GOP
  • 32:48–33:39 – Savage reads his post “Woke Right Fractures GOP”
  • 36:24–40:10 – Why young men scape-goat Jews; the psychological and historical roots
  • 42:19–45:42 – The Talmud as misunderstood and misused in antisemitic tropes
  • 45:42–48:44 – Dangers of dehumanization; historical warning signs
• 52:00–61:23 – Science, physics, and the plausibility of the afterlife

Conclusion

This episode delivers a thoughtful, candid exploration of the roots and risks of radicalization among young men, the cultural and generational conflicts underlying political shifts, and the dangers of scapegoating, especially as antisemitism re-emerges on the political right. D'Souza and Savage both call for nuanced understanding and for confronting new forms of intolerance before they become further entrenched. The episode moves toward more philosophical ground by questioning materialist assumptions about reality and opening up the possibility—according to modern physics—of a world beyond our own.