Dinesh D'Souza (31:37)

Thanks, Dinesh. It's a pleasure to be on your program. I always enjoy the interchange between the two of us. And as I awoke this morning at dawn, alone in the bed, in the darkness of the night, in the still of the night, I thought, wait a minute. I have something that I could write for Denisha show called Woke Right Fractures, gop. And the reason I wrote this as it's on X, I can read it to you. It'll take a minute. Is because last night I was communicating with a friend of mine who writes for Breitbart. Brilliant guy. And he's saying to me almost the same exact thing in another way. I have to find it. I won't repeat his name. It's about. He's saying, can we do an article today right after your show about what's going on in the Republican Party? Like what happened to Trump? Why is he losing his base? What has he done here? Is he losing his base, in fact? And of course he is. And I then did a thing on the H1B visas last night online. It attracted a big response. And all I said was, if you've been affected by H1B visas in the tech industry, respond here. And of course you see the horror stories. But can I read this? Woke Right Fractious Joe, Pete Dinesh.

Michael Savage (32:45)

Yeah, let's hear it.

Dinesh D'Souza (32:48)

How the woke right fractured the Republican Party. Just as America is climbing out of the rubble of the woke left, which blames white people and America itself for all the problems of the blacks, gays and immigrants, along comes a black racist named Candace Owens with her little Goebbels, Nick Fuentes, and the once reasonable Tucker Carlson. Collectively, they have found a new niche. The Jew find the problem. The Jew is the cause. The fireflies who comprise the leadership of the woke right wrapped themselves in patriotism in a form of Christian nationalism that borders on outright Hitlerism. They claim the Jews are satanic without realizing their own religion, which they have hijacked, that is Christianity is based on Judaism. In essence, they are Condemning themselves without knowing it. Eventually they will find themselves exactly where the Hitler movement found itself. As national socialists without a belief in God. Now, while insisting their anger and hatred is directed at Israel's leader, Netanyahu, all Jewish people now find themselves in the crosshairs of a new Reich on the right. Especially prevalent online, this race based hatred will, if not stop, follow the natural course of all racist movements, resulting in attacks upon the weakest and most vulnerable amongst the Jews, the pious and the elderly. That's the entire piece. And believe me, if you want to see hatred, all you got to do is go on my ex account and see the denial, rage, hatred. And I'm not following you anymore.

Michael Savage (34:10)

Yeah, I mean, I've got to say that I'm seeing a fair amount of this on my own feed now. Some of it is just, you know, and it's very odd because Debbie and I were talking about this until a few years ago. If you were to ask either of us, and we're both immigrants, she's from Venezuela, I'm from India, you'd have leftists who would say to me over the years, hey, Dinesh, you know, you've been all your life on the precincts of the right, you know, tell us what kind of vicious racism you've experienced on the right. And I would go, you know what, I have nothing to tell you because the right is not racist. Even the so called far right is not racist. I've experienced very little, if any of it. And so it is very different than what you think. Now, I don't know if Debbie or I could say that today. And I think what you're saying is you can't say it today either because we are seeing, ostensibly from our own side, a type of degrading kind of rhetoric and attack. Now, I don't know about you, Michael, but my personality is such that I find all of this, it doesn't fluster me. I'm actually very entertained by it because I find it unbelievably stupid. These are people, Dinesh. You know, you, you'd had a career ending post on X. And I'm like, my career has supposedly been ending since like 1991. So tell me another one. It doesn't faze me, but I don't. My wife says, dinesh, you're not normal. You don't react in a normal way to this kind of stuff. A normal person would be completely disgusted, would be totally revolted. But what we, what we agree on is what we are both seeing out there. So here's My question to you, if the anger is about the economy, if the anger is about H1B, if the anger is about woke indoctrination in the schools, like where do the Jews come into it? Like, why would you go there as your mode of rescue?

Dinesh D'Souza (36:24)

Well, I think there's a simple answer. Jews don't fight back. Generally they're a pacifist people. In America, Israelis are one thing, Jews are another. American Jews have always been supine in the society except for the dominant and obvious types of that I myself detest. You know, the Hatzenberg, Katzenberg, Matzenberg and Ratzenberg, the Hollywood types. I wrote a thing a while ago called From Einstein to Weinstein in one generation. Actually from Einstein to Epstein in one generation to make it more current.

Michael Savage (36:57)

Interesting title.

Dinesh D'Souza (37:00)

How did we go from Einstein as the, let's say the image, the national image of the Jew to Epstein now as the image of the Jewish. How did this happen in one generation? And how did we come to a place where the a new Reich has arisen in America? They don't call themselves that. And they, of course, they're very clever by saying, oh, we don't hate all Jews. That's like some of my best friends are black from the 1960s. That used to be a joke if you, you know, you know, you're much younger than me. But that was a joke where you caught a racist saying, why are you picking on blacks? They would say, some of my best friends are black. So now they're saying, some of Tucker says, some of my best friends are Jews. I don't hate Jews. So it's a clever way of disguising a convenient scapegoat, which is not to say that there aren't people of the Jewish heritage who I find, let's say, abhorrent, but that's my position. But it's true. In all races you can find abhorrent people. In all races you can find saints in all races. My mother taught me that and I grew up learning that to be true. True. Why the on with only stereotypes permitted of the person of Jewish ancestry is something evil and foreign is the question. And I think the answer is the one I gave a minute ago. Dinesh, The Jews don't fight back. They, you know what they say? It's like you, who cares what they say? Let him gay and dread. They would say in Yiddish, let them go to hell. Who cares what they say? Or used to it? They shrug it off and they go on with their lives. They just do what they have to do. They're not going to react to these slurs. But I have to say that I've studied the origins and the manifestation of Hitler's Germany over and over again because it traumatized me as a child, and I studied it. I actually read Mein Kampf when I was 11 years old. My father had a little used store with used goods, and sometimes books would arrive and I'd sit in the basement reading stuff. And I found an English translation of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler. I'm 11 years old. I read the book, and basically he found a scapegoat in Germany for all of Germany's problems after World War I. And all fingers pointed in his racist mind. He found the scapegoat, the Jew. So America's in trouble right now. There's massive unemployment amongst the educated class, particularly amongst young white kids who never had an identity to begin with other than being young and a male. Now they found out that they're actually a member of an oppressed group, the white boy. And they have been picked on. I mean, let's be clear. For a whole generation now, we've heard whites are no good, whites did this, whites did that, colonization this and that. So now the white kid is waking up and saying, wait a minute, who's doing this to me? And along comes this weirdo, Candace Owens. And maybe you can elucidate me of who she is. I never heard of her until recently. I mean, she's an attractive lady of African American heritage. I guess she used to work for a Ben Shapiro, right? Something like that.

Michael Savage (40:10)

All these people, you know, whom I've known fairly well, they came up sort of in one way, and they've metamorphosed into something else. So Candace came up basically as a feisty young black woman who was attacking dei, attacking affirmative action, and telling blacks to leave the democratic plantation. That was her shtick she started.

Dinesh D'Souza (40:33)

So that was. She was. She was a good black at that point.

Michael Savage (40:37)

Blexit. Which was kind of like, you know, playing off the idea that blacks are going to be exiting. Kind of a clever. And she'd have these forums around the country, and I would participate in them because I thought, wow, this is a wonderful opportunity to. To present these ideas. So all of these people, it's like she climbed up one ladder and now she's on a completely different ladder. And, you know, the other thing about it is, I mean, you're probably more aware of the hatred toward the Jews. I'm also noticing a lot of hatred toward, like, Asian Indians. Now, again, it's one thing. If you want to talk about H1B, I've actually, I haven't talked about H1B my whole career. But the kind of people who get bashed are not H1B. People are bashing like ushavants, you know, they're bashing like Harmeet Dhillon, Vivek Ramaswamy, you know, they're bashing me. So the point is, we're not responsible for demonizing these white males. On the contrary, we've actually devoted our whole career to fighting against DEI and affirmative action. So I think what makes this kind of weird is that there is a broader base scapegoating going on. And I think what you and I are saying is that while, you know, we understand why these young people are in the mood that they are, but the blame really belongs with the leaders, people of the Candace and the Tucker stripe, because they're the ones who are steering these young people and saying, listen, the master manipulators are all in Israel, you know, and they're also trying to make people like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro into being non Americans.

Dinesh D'Souza (42:19)

I know, I've seen it. So again, it goes back to your first question from my point of view, just to follow up on your question. Why is there suddenly a hatred for the Jew? So Jews are overrepresented as rich as billionaires. They say, how could 2% of the population make up 50% of the billionaires? So I say to them online, because they work harder and they work smarter than you do while you're spending your time espousing hatred on the Internet. They're working at their careers or at their businesses, making a living. They're not paying attention to this drivel. That's how you know there's another reason for it that goes deeper than that. The Jewish person, in all the years, the thousands of years since the dispersal from the ancient times, has been in the Diaspora. And what did the Jew do in these 2000 years of the diaspora? They were still following their religion, which was they were the people of the book. They were reading the holy book, the Bible, the five books of Moses. Then they were reading a thing called the Talmud, which the Nazis or racists or the white supremacists, oh, the Jews said this in the Talmud. They don't read Hebrew, but they know the Talmud. They're experts in the Talmud, all of these white nationalists. So there are horrible things in the Talmud written by what? The Talmud is commentary over 2000 years by thousands of different opinion makers. They were the talk show hosts of their time and they didn't have a microphone, so they wrote commentary on various things. And amongst them were some nuts, crazy people, weirdos. It got encoded into the thing called the. Thomas, the white nationalist reads about this and says, oh, all Jews believe what this guy in the 14th century said somewhere in Mongolia, in a Jewish temple. And that becomes the Jewish religion for them. But I, you see what I'm saying? So what I'm saying is, so the Jewish person was reading the Bible, they're people of the book, they're very literate people because they were reading and commenting upon the holy books for thousands of years. So now they find themselves in the modern world, they're freed suddenly of racism and they can apply their intellect to enumerate numerous fields. And they excel not because they're devious, not because they cheated, because they worked harder. You worked harder. You said you came in with nothing as a kid, basically.

Michael Savage (44:48)

Well, I want to remember, it just occurred to me that the, the Talmud is a little bit like the X platform of its own day, right? Where you have all kinds of crazy people and kooks and smart people too, all kind of weighing in. I don't think most people know that's what the Talmud is. They think the Talmud is kind of like the Jewish perspective, you know, the authoritative version that is basically telling Jews this is the way that you need to interpret the ancient scriptures, not realizing that the Talmud is actually more like a platform for a wide and disparate group of voices of all different types weighing in on very often opposite points of view about the, about the ancient scriptures.

Dinesh D'Souza (45:42)

Yes, and in the 19th century, a rabid antisemite somewhere, I think it was in Germany, I'm not sure which European nation picked up on some of the crazy ones who had written an atom over the years, pulled out the nutty stuff and said, this is the Jew. And that's what the Christian nationalists, the, the loser ones, the forlorn ones, the lost souls, are focusing on without even knowing what they're talking about. So I, I, before we get sidetracked, I've just got to say this to all of you who don't believe a word I'm saying. Oh, he's one of them. He's a Zionist. Listen to me, go into a, a very religious, pious Chabad house on a Saturday morning unannounced, and see what goes on in there. See about the conspiracy that you have in your mind about Jews. And what you'll find instead are people praying to God, not talking politics, chanting together in the same way they have done throughout the world for thousands of years. There's no politics. It's all religion. It's all worshiping the one true God, period. That's what the religion is. It's not a political orientation, it's a religion. So you could hate the religion. You don't have to be Jewish. You could be Christian, you could be Buddhist, Hindu, you could be agnostic, you can be atheist, doesn't matter. But before you attack an entire ethnic group, because they're making Jews into an ethnic group, which when it really isn't. There are blonde, tall, blue eyed Jews, there are short Jews, there are fat Jews, there are skinny Jews. There's not an ethnic group. It's a religion. You've got people in Sweden who look like Vikings, who are Jewish. It's a religion. They don't understand that it's not an ethnic group. And then they come up with a weird thing. Dinesh, have you seen this is over the last few years, the Khazarians, someone came up with that nonsense that the Jews are an offshoot of some tribe. The Khazarians, they're not really Jewish. The real Jews are the Arabs. You talk about denaturing an entire people, stripping them not only of their identity, but of the whole reality. It's pretty ugly, Dinesh. It really is. And here's the thing, if you start by debasing an entire people, it ends up with violence. The first law in Germany was really benign. I don't know. People don't know this. I may have mentioned it on your show last time we talked about, you know, the first law in Nazi Germany against Jews was benign. You know what it was? Jews cannot swim in public pools with Aryans. That's all it was. It was nothing more than that. The Jews figured, who the hell cares, you know, they don't want us to swim. We'll build our own swimming pool. That's the way the Jewish people, they just shrugged it off. I learned from that. Unless you nip this in the bud, we're now at the swimming pool phase online. Unless you stand up to these small minded, basically intellectual dwarfs, this could metastasize into something much worse.

Michael Savage (48:44)

I agree. Guys, I've been talking to the one and only Michael Savage, author, legendary radio host, podcaster, former host of the Savage Nation, and also member of the National Radio hall of Fame. Fame. There's a lot here, Michael, and we'll have to pick it up the next time. But really appreciate and thank you for joining me.

Dinesh D'Souza (49:06)

Thank you for listening and thank you for having me on your very, very important show, Dinesh.

Michael Savage (49:12)

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Today we begin a new chapter in my book, Life After Death. The Evidence. It's called the Physics of Immortality. Pretty wild stuff. You're going to learn a little bit of physics in the next few days, but you're going to learn it explained by somebody who is not a kind of science geek, but someone, namely me, who can convey these things in a manner that's completely understandable. You don't need any science background. You just need to listen carefully and you're going to learn a lot. You're going to learn a lot about science, but you're also going to learn a lot about the possibilities of life after death. I'm going to begin with a quotation. Well, the subtitle of the chapter, Multiple Universes and Unseen Realms. So normally, if I were to say a phrase like unseen realms, you'd be thinking you're gonna plunge into theology. I'm going to show you that science is now going to introduce us to the concept of unseen realms and make more plausible theological concepts that for many, many centuries seemed really out there, seemed really dependent entirely on faith. But now we see that these conceptions are entirely consistent, harmonious, maybe even demanded by the findings of modern science. So we're going to begin with a quotation from Brian Greene in a very popular book. This is, by the way, a string theorist, Brian Greene, a physicist. The book is called the Fabric of the Cosmos. And here's the line. The overarching lesson that has emerged from scientific inquiry over the last century is that human experience is often a misleading guide to the true nature of reality. Now, this alone is worth pondering for a moment, because think of it. From the dawn of mankind, our basis for learning things is our own experience. How do you know that there are trees? Well, I see them out there. That's my experience. How do you know that other people exist? Well, there they are. I can talk to them. So my experience becomes the main reliable source for me learning things. And what Brian Greene is saying is one of the most important findings in science of the past 100 years is our own experience is misleading. It is wrong. It comprehends things at the local level. Obviously, no one is denying that there's a tree or that I'm living in my house. But what modern physics is denying is that your house is made up of the kind of stuff that you somehow think it is made up of. According to modern science, at the most fundamental level, your house is actually made up of something else, something that until recently, you never even heard of. All right, let's go into it to build out this idea in its full and spectacular implications. Now, we begin with the kind of atheist doctrine of the past 100 years, which is materialism. I mentioned this earlier. Human beings are made up of atoms and molecules. The idea is that matter acts according to natural laws, and these laws are known to scientists today. Given the recognized qualities of matter, which is matter disintegrates, matter breaks down. Our chances of life after death are actually nil, because human bodies, we all know, break down and disintegrate. Moreover, say the atheist, the religious concept of eternity presumes that there's some sort of exotic location somewhere called, like, heaven or hell. And the atheist goes, no, we live in a physical universe, and there is nothing outside of it. Remember Carl Sagan, the universe is all that there is, never has been and ever will be. The universe, in a sense, stretches out in space and time, and that's all there is. There's nothing beyond it. And so something else might exist in your imagination, but it doesn't exist in reality. So it's ridiculous to think that humans can continue beyond their debts. The materialist evidence appeals at bottom. Yes, it appeals to biology, yes, it appeals to neuroscience, and we'll get to all that. But its primary claim is it appeals to physics that in the end we are all made up of matter. Now this is the argument that I've just stated that I am about to decimate at the most root level. And what I'm going to show in this chapter is that the atheist argument isn't just arguable questionable, it's actually false. Far from undermining the chances of life after death, modern physics under undermines the premises of materialism. Moreover, new discoveries in physics show scenarios in which matter can survive with different properties in realms other than our universe. This is crazy, but nevertheless it's true that the laws of our universe apply only to our universe and in other realms we're going to talk about how those realms might exist. Matter, if there is matter, would behave completely differently. Other laws. So fantastic though it sounds, modern physics has legitimated the possibility of the afterlife. Now this is what this chapter is about. Before you show that there is an afterlife, you have to show that it's even possible. Right? If someone could tell me that miracles are impossible, I can't then say, well, let me tell you about this miracle or that miracle. If miracles are impossible, no miracles can occur at all. So first we have to show miracles are possible. There's nothing in modern science that contradicts the idea of miracles or makes miracles somehow beyond the realm of science. Similarly, here we're going to show that life after death and the scenarios of life after death, which requires life after that, requires certain things to be true. Let's look at what those are. What has to be true for life after death to occur? Well, first of all, we have to have some kind of enduring post mortem existence. And this requires that we have a survival of our souls. But in the Christian view, not only our souls, we have to also have survival of the body. Now the body in Christian theology is not the body we have. Now, no one's claiming that I'll have this pair of hands, but resurrected bodies, which is to say bodies made up of some other kind of stuff. But what other kind of stuff is there? Well, we're going to look at signs to see what other kinds of stuff might be there. We also have for life after death to be true, at least in the Christian scheme, we have to have the possibility of alternative realms, or let's call it alternative universes, because after all, what is heaven and hell? There are alternative universes. And by universes here I just mean a kind of whole, a kind of realm operating according to its own laws. Let's not worry about what's inside the realm. If it's going to be, you know, harps or fire, we're not going to talk about that. But these alternative realms must be possible. If they're not possible, then after all, you can't have heaven, you can't have. Can have hell. So we need realms, and we need these realms to be somehow outside of space and time. In other words, we need these realms to be eternal. And what that means is one way we can show that is we have to show that space and time are properties of our universe. Very startling idea. But I'm going to go on to show you that this is in fact true. Space and time are properties. They're qualities. They're attributes of our universe and our universe alone. Finally, as I say, we need matter to be capable of showing up in forms radically different from any matter that we know. If all the matter that we know is kind of like the stuff we see, then where's the question of there being any kind of resurrected bodies that have qualities and traits that we've never seen before? So we have to have the possibility of matter that is unlike any matter that we see or experience in the universe. And I'm going to show that not only does modern science posit those kinds of matter, the whole scheme of modern physics is impossible without taking into account forms of matter that we cannot see with the naked eye, that, that we cannot measure with any instrument that we possess. In other words, what is sometimes called dark matter and dark energy. Now, are these things even possible that I'm talking about the philosopher Bertrand Russell about a century ago thought about these questions and he said no. Basically what Russell said is all our experience as human beings is tied up with space and time and matter. Outside of space and time and matter, he says we don't have any experience at all. So how can we even talk about what is outside of our experience? He says we can't even really imagine life outside of space and time and matter. And so according to Bertrand Russell, if you, if you can't imagine it, how can it even exist? The problem with Russell, and again, the problem is not that after Russell's time, Russell, by the way, was a very capable philosopher. And it would be one thing to say to him, hey, Bertrand Russell, sorry, but you lived in 1930, we live in 2025. Lots of stuff has been, has come out since then. You're basically just wrong on all counts. But the remarkable thing is, Bertrand Russell was wrong on all counts, even when he said this. In other words. The revolution in modern science that I'm about to talk about preceded Russell. It actually began in the late 19th century. It reached a certain type of pinnacle with Einstein and his discoveries of special relativity and general relativity. It then was taken to a whole new level with what is called sometimes quantum physics. But all of this had already happened. This all happened by the 1910s and the 1910s, the 1920s. So it all happened kind of right around the time poor Russell was writing. And so Russell's argument was being blown to smithereens by the physics of his own day. Not just our day, but his own day. So when we pick this up tomorrow, well, Monday we're going to dive into this a little bit more and we're going to see how the discoveries of modern science make possible all kinds of wonderful and fantastical, and I would say, even miraculous things that bear a kind of startling resemblance to the Christian, but in some cases even to the non Christian picture of life after death.

Dinesh D'Souza (61:23)

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