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Coming up, I'll celebrate the crackdown on Somalian and Democratic Party fraud in Minnesota. But I'm going to argue that investigations by themselves are meaningless. We need prosecutorial follow up. I'm going to use the occasion of Trump's strike on ISIS in Nigeria to explore the question, when exactly should the US Consider using military power abroad? If you're watching on x rumble or YouTube, listening on Apple or Spotify, please subscribe to my channel. This is the Dinesh d' Souza podcast.
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I spoke yesterday about President Trump's strike on ISIS targets in Nigeria. And the strikes themselves got me thinking about a bigger issue that is a real divide on the right. And this divide concerns the question of when should the US Intervene militarily in another country. Now, in a way, the MAGA movement, the America first movement, are a reaction against the Bush policy in which it seems that we too hastily got involved or we became involved in a kind of excessive, entangled way. Both in Afghanistan and in Iraq, these were both military interventions, but in a sense they both amounted to military occupations and they turned out badly in both cases. The Taliban is back in power, evidently with enough support from the Afghan people to be able to hold power in that way. In fact, they were able to survive throughout the US Occupation in the mountains and similarly in Iraq. The US Backed regime has fallen. And essentially what we have is a Shia regime in Iraq that is close to the government of Iran. And so I think objectively these policies associated with George W. Bush, but in some ways going before him must be judged to be a failure. And so there's a reaction against that, which is essentially a non interventionist reaction, that we should be very slow to commit troops and we should be slow to engage in military action. And of course, some of that is now focused on the criticism of the Ukraine war, where the United States is involved, not directly, but certainly indirectly, supplying arms and so on. And so how do we think about all this? How do we think about when to get involved? Now, interestingly, Trump has this position in which he, I would call him a kind of a guy who does not hesitate to use American power short of committing troops. So he's not putting really American lives in danger? Well, not exactly. You send a bomber over to Iran with some fighter jets to protect it, there is some risk. It's not like there's zero risk. American soldiers and American pilots could in fact be killed. But you're minimizing the risk of that. And what you're really doing is you're going abroad to administer a kind of sound and deserved beating. In one case to the Iran nuclear facilities, in another case to Soleimani, in another case to Al Baghdadi, and now of course to the ISIS faction that is killing Christians in Nigeria. So again, to ask the broad question, when is it reasonable for the US to intervene militarily? And notice that we've talked about two types of intervention. One is just basically call it the SEAL Team 6 approach. That's a much more modest intervention. The other is more serious commitments of troops and so on. So for example, you could ask a hypothetical question. I mean hypothetical in the sense that it's not conjectural. It could actually be something we're faced with. In fact, I predict we will be faced with it in the not too distant future. Let's say, for example, China makes a big move, military move to take Taiwan. What should the United States do? I'm not sure that there is a whole lot, certainly not a whole lot of public discussion about what would the US do and what should we do in that kind of eventuality. So I want to think about and just outline the way I think we should adjudicate these kinds of issues. By and large, for the United States to get involved, two factors need to be present. The first one is it needs to be in the interests of the United States. That is first and I would say paramount. But there's a second factor. It also needs to have an adequate moral justification. So notice here I'm giving you a two fold criteria. The first one is drawn from, you could call it moral principle, which is, which is the. I'm sorry, that's the second one, moral principle. And the first one is drawn from real politic or national interest. I think you actually need both. One is not enough. Why not? Well, first of all, because if it's not in the US interest, why do it? There may be things that are good to do in faraway corners of the world, but they don't affect us. I think it's difficult to justify why the US should use. Notice, we're talking here not about giving aid or giving any kind of relief or diplomatic support. We're talking about actual military power. Seems to me we should restrict military power to situations where it is in the US interest. But US interests are often not enough because let's say for example, that you have a dictator in a foreign country, he's an ally of the United States, but he's massacring his own citizens. And the question is, should we use military power to prop him up, even though his citizens are trying to get rid of him? And I would answer no, because even though it may be in the US Interest to do it, this guy is obviously a bad guy. He's obviously harming his own people. But not only that, how do you expect to go to the American people and say, listen, this guy's a monster, but he's our monster. And so, because it's in our US Interest, because he proclaims himself to be a friend of ours, we're going to help him crush the aspirations of his own people. This, I think, is not only does it make no sense and it's kind of abominable, but it's also something that will not be tolerated by the American people, who, after all, have themselves a moral compass that they apply to foreign affairs. So that, to me, is a somewhat broadly philosophical but, I hope, useful way to think about when we should use American power. Now, let me turn to my topic for today's podcast, which is Cops and Robbers. And by robbers, I'm referring to the fraud network in Minnesota. By the way, I can give you a fair bet that it's not just Minnesota. These fraud networks are probably operating in other parts of the country as well. Why shouldn't they be? They're so easy to pull off. Now, by the way, when I say they're easy to pull off, a lot of people are under the impression that the Minnesota Fraud Network is a fraud on Minnesota, that they've been robbing the money of the people of Minnesota. This is, by the way, largely not true. And I say that because what's really going on is that you have a collaboration between the fraudsters, the Democratic establishment of Minnesota, and the state government of Minnesota to defraud the federal government. In other words, the money is the taxpayer money. It's your money, it's my money. The Minnesotans, the fraudsters, are robbing us. They're not just robbing the citizens of Minnesota. And in fact, you can argue that the political establishment of the Democratic Party in Minnesota is enabling the theft. Now, some people may think, well, why don't we just focus on the fraudsters? They're the ones who are doing the fraud. Why don't we just focus on the Somalis? And of course, we have these Nick Shirley videos, very illuminating, where he goes from learning center to learning center. You know, in one case, the name misspelled. In other cases, there's no learning going on. In fact, nobody seems to be around or they seem to be close, or they won't open the door. And so all of this is now entered the public consciousness, I think, in very dramatic ways. And I see the government is actually responding to it. They've unleashed a kind of battalion of investigators who are on the ground, door to door, checking this stuff out. Now, first of all, it's amazing that the government hasn't been doing this all along. There hasn't been any effort to really break these fraud networks. And all of this is consistent with my thesis that the reason that they haven't done it. Well, I don't know why the federal government hasn't done it. I know why they didn't do it under Biden, because they're part of the fraud. In other words, it's part of the Democratic Party strategy to enable fraud in this way across the country. Fraud is the name of their game. Fraud is partly how they get votes. And if you go, wait, wait a minute. Are you saying the Democrats are willing to break the law? Well, yeah, of course they are. Look at the way that they allow illegal immigration. They break the law, they allow law breaking. They, in a sense, invite the lawbreakers to come here because if there's political benefits to be had, they don't care about the law. It's a great fiction. And in fact, even some of this reporting I'm seeing about Minnesota is misguided in the sense that Tim Waltz really dropped the ball. Tim Waltz doesn't even know what's going on in his own state. Tim Waltz is incompetent. No, Tim Waltz is not incompetent. Tim Waltz is part of it. Tim Waltz is part of an elaborate operation. And here, by the way, is how that operation works. I mean, think of a bunch of Somalis who come here, you know, and let's leave aside whether their IQs are 68 or not. The point is there are newcomers. They don't know the American system. They can barely get by. Some of them don't even properly speak the language. They don't even know how to get into schools. They certainly don't know how to operate fraud networks through the US Government. Somebody has to show them the rope. Somebody has to pay the pave the way. Somebody has to, in a sense, lay out the scheme. And then they're like, only too happy. I mean, they come from corrupt cultures. I'm not saying that they are somehow. They have moral inhibitions. I'm simply saying that they don't know how to apply the type of typical bribery under the table, passage of money. All the stuff that they do in their own countries, they don't know automatically how to do it here. You can't do it in exactly the same way. All immigrants who come here, and however they get here, they realize that America is different. For example, in another country, and this is certainly true in India, no less than Somalia, if the cop stops you and says you're speeding or stops you for whatever reason, you can slip him a 20 rupee or a hundred rupee note and the guy will quietly go away. You can't do that in America. If a cop stops you, you can't say, hey, officer, I've got a crisp twenty dollar bill for you. Now, let's forget about the speeding ticket, shall we? You'll get arrested. So clearly, the American system, it's not free of fraud. But that kind of overt type of bribery is not going to work. You need a more underhanded scheme. You need to cover it up with a bunch of drapery. You need a bunch of highfalutin nonsense. I mean, this is why the Somalis have learning center. Learning center, learning center. Because you have to pretend like you're doing something useful, providing a service. Oh, you know, we have people here who are learning. There are no people there who are learning. It's all a Potemkin village. It's all fakery. It's all a facade. But you need the facade. The facade is absolutely essential. And what I'm saying is the Democratic Party and the Democratic establishment of Minnesota, they're the ones who teach the Somalis the facade. They're basically like, we know your crooks. We're crooks also. But you got to be crooked in a certain way around here. This is the American way of crookery. It doesn't work the way it does in Mogadishu or anyplace else. And so we're going to show you how to take advantage of the fraud schemes that, in a sense, are built into the welfare state. We created these structures. And it doesn't just go back to LBJ, and it doesn't just go back to even FDR. It goes back even further to the 19th century, where immigrants would come off the boat, they'd be handled, handed a bottle of vodka. Hey, go see my friend Tony. He's gonna get you in the longshoreman's job, but he's gonna get you a job as a policeman. All we want you to do is sign here. This is a blank ballot. We'll fill it out for you. Don't worry. So the Democratic Party has been at this for a pretty long time. I guess what I'm saying is that this is not some uniquely like Somali scheme. This is a Democratic scheme that is almost 200 years old, maybe 150 years old. They are, they have modified it over the years and is now applied to a new situation with the Somalis and with other types of groups. But this is what the Democratic Party does. We sometimes speak of the, the collaboration ultimately between the, the Reds and the Greens, the so called red green alliance. Now this is not a direct application of the red Green alliance, but it sort of is because the Somalis, after all, represent, as Ilhan Omar does, a kind of Muslim faction. So although we're not talking here about sort of jihad in the direct sense of the term, they are the Greens. The Somalis are the Greens and the Democrats, the Socialists, the left, they are the Reds. And so what I'm saying is that the Reds are needed to show the Greens the ropes and they are happy to do it and the Greens are happy to be the actual robbers. And so that's what's going on here in Minnesota. And so this is not a sort of a one off, this is a tactic. It's a little bit like what happened with Mamdani in New York. That was also a red green operation of a different sort to get Mamdani across the finish line. By the way, don't be surprised if similar schemes start popping up in New York. Mohammedani, of course, would be the great enabler. It won't be the Somalis, it'll be somebody else. But there'll be different types of groups now taking benefits, but pretty much under the same rubric Pam Bondi just posted saying basically investigations are underway. And my point is investigations are necessary, but they are far from sufficient. We actually need investigations, but the investigations need to be followed up with indictments and prosecutions and handcuffs and long prison sentences and not just by the way, for the sort of last man on the street, but also for the organizers, for the people who cooked up these schemes. So my guess is it's going to go fairly high up into the Democratic apparatus of Minnesota and it'll be a measure of the effectiveness of the DOJ and of the Trump administration more generally to see if they can really bust this wide open. They have a golden opportunity to do it. Republicans, however, have a very bad record of sort of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And let's not do that this time. They have made it easy for us to go get them. We need to go get them. Imagine exploring Israel where thousands of years of history are on display and embarking on a journey that changes the way you see the world. 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Melissa, it's really a delight to see you again as you know, but my listeners and viewers don't. We met in Australia because you were part of our lecture tour with Tucker Carlson. We traveled to a number of Australian cities together and it was, well, it was the three of us plus of course our host, Clive Farmer. And, and the four of us did presentations generally to some very enthusiastic audiences in a number of Australian cities. Very eye opening and memorable experience for me. And it was a delight to get to know you and your husband Jared. But talk a little bit, Melissa, about your background as a medical practitioner, as a doctor, and how you first became alerted that something was deeply wrong in the kind of COVID regime that was set up in Australia through the Australian medical establishment and through the Australian government. I think for my viewers and listeners, it helps them to see that this Covid tyranny is not localized to America. It's a global phenomenon. And in some ways some of the worst things that happened around Covid happened in your country of Australia.