GREEN MOON RISING

Summary

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The Dinesh D'Souza Podcast – "GREEN MOON RISING"

Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Dinesh D’Souza
Guests: Brigitte Gabriel (founder, ACT for America)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Dinesh D’Souza Podcast features an analysis of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump by Thomas Crooks, speculating on his background and possible radicalization. Dinesh then conducts a thorough interview with Brigitte Gabriel, discussing her personal experience with Islamist terrorism in Lebanon, the infiltration of radical Islam into Western institutions, and proposed activist strategies to counter this threat. The episode also contains a segment where Dinesh examines scientific concepts related to relativity and quantum physics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Thomas Crooks Case: Patterns of Radicalization and FBI Secrecy

Segment: [01:33]–[14:49]

• Dinesh reviews new information about Thomas Crooks, who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump in Butler, PA.
• FBI’s public stance vs. new revelations:
  • Director Christopher Wray previously stated Crooks had "no motive or political ideology" in his online history ([03:30]).
  • Deputy Paul Abate admitted to some extremist comments, but downplayed online presence ([04:23]).
  • Reporting by Miranda Devine reveals a more substantial digital footprint: Crooks had at least 17 online accounts and displayed a switch from pro-Trump to anti-Trump sentiment between Jan–Aug 2020 ([04:48]–[06:09]).
• Multiple accounts and aliases, including one using the name of a real FBI agent ("Rod Swanson"), which raises questions about FBI awareness or intent ([07:03]).
• Crooks also engaged with 'furry' and trans communities and explored gender identity ([08:18]).
• Dinesh argues there’s a pattern connecting trans identity and violent incidents:
  • Cites past mass shooters and attempted assassins with trans ties (e.g., Audrey/Aiden Hale, Nashville Christian shooter; Lakewood Church; Colorado Springs; Denver; attempted Kavanaugh assassin) ([09:14]).
  • Suggests the emergence of possible "trans terrorist rings," citing reports of combat training and arms practice among such groups.

Notable Quote:

"What we need is an aggressive crackdown—not on trans people, but rather on trans violence. It’s becoming a serious domestic threat." (Dinesh D’Souza, [13:26])

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2. Interview: Brigitte Gabriel on Defending Western Values

Segment: [16:39]–[38:42]

Background & Testimony:

• Brigitte Gabriel, national security analyst and bestselling author, shares her personal survival story:

  • "My 9/11 happened to me in 1975 in Lebanon when radical Islamists blew up my home, bringing it down, burying me under the rebel wounded... I ended up living in a bomb shelter from the age of 10 till the age of 17, robbed of my youth." ([17:53])

• Rise of Radical Islam:

  • Initial drive came from Palestinian terrorism, before Iranian Revolution ([19:52]).
  • Impact of oil wealth and Khomeini’s 1979 ascent: "gave the radical Islamists the money and spiritual leadership...to explode on the world stage." ([20:33])

• How Democratic Societies Can Be Undermined:

  • Lebanon as a warning:
    "We were majority Christian...in my lifetime, I saw Lebanon go from a majority Christian country to not only a majority Islamic country, but a terrorist hub...Hezbollah got themselves elected into power...democratically." ([21:27])
  • Created ACT for America: "Not Think about America, Not Hope for America, Not Pray for America, but ACT for America." ([22:02])

Types of Jihad & Western Vulnerabilities:

• Dinesh outlines two forms of jihad:
  • Military/Violent Jihad – e.g., 9/11 or October 7th terror attacks.
  • Civilizational/Infiltration Jihad – gradually using rights/liberalism to undermine society, e.g., Muslim Brotherhood ([22:29]–[24:00]).
• Brigitte explains 'civilization jihad' and presents evidence from the 1991 Muslim Brotherhood Project for North America trial:
  • "Their duty was to infiltrate and dominate in the West using our open mindedness, our technology...to destroy what they call our miserable house from within." ([24:40])
• Left-wing allies and complacency enable this process:
  • "There are Islamic radicals dressed in Armani suits..." ([25:02])

Message to Americans: Activism Over Apathy

• The Islamist and leftist side is organized and action-oriented; "our side" is passive and confused activism with education:

  • "On the Islamist and the leftist side, they sit together and they say, 'Okay, who do we need to get rid of? Let's make a list of city council members...Let's organize to replace them.'...Their idea of activism is activism." ([28:23])
  • "We have...142 cases where Sharia law was used instead of the Constitution...in 22 states..." ([27:37])

• Assimilation and Immigration:

  • "Imported a bunch of people en masse in a very short period of time. And that’s the problem. We didn’t allow them or help them assimilate. And that’s the perfect formula to destroy a society." ([32:53])

Coalitions and the Red-Green Alliance:

• Cultural left and radical Islamists act similarly: blocking traffic, bullying opponents, etc.
• Describes personal experience being blocked from campus events by left-wing Jewish organizations allied with Islamists.
• "Our fight is with multi-organizations on the left...The left encompasses the radical Islamist, the ultra radical lefty Jewish people...and other groups that came together to work against America and against the American people." ([37:18])

Notable Quotes:

• "Stop being apathetic. That’s the problem on our side, Dinesh. Americans are apathetic." (Brigitte Gabriel, [27:37])
• "Their idea of activism is activism." (Brigitte Gabriel, [28:23])
• "Lebanon is a republic exactly like the United States. And the Islamists and the radicals were able to use our democracy, our open mindedness...to get themselves elected..." (Brigitte Gabriel, [21:27])
• "Red and Green alliance at places like Columbia University, because they’re made up of the same kind of people...their temperament is kind of similar." (Dinesh D’Souza, [36:10])

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3. Science Segment: Relativity and Quantum Mechanics

Segment: [43:00]–[53:39]

• Purpose: Dinesh transitions to a discussion on reality and physics as part of his series on "life after death," challenging the limits of common-sense experience.
• Einstein’s Relativity:
  • "The universal laws of space and time must be different from those as we have understood them since Newton." ([45:58])
  • "Space and time are very different from how we experience them. Our normal experience is not a reliable guide." ([46:07])
• Quantum Mechanics:
  • Describes wave/particle duality, interconnectedness (entanglement), and unpredictability at small scales ([49:29]).
• String Theory and Hidden Dimensions:
  • Notion of 10 spatial dimensions plus time (11 total), most of which cannot be experienced directly: "They cannot be measured by any instrument...yet they are there because they help us to account for the things that we do see." ([51:50])

Notable Quote:

• "My answer to all that, to Bertrand Russell, really, 100 years later, is reality itself contradicts your experience." (Dinesh D’Souza, [53:31])

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "What we need is an aggressive crackdown—not on trans people, but rather on trans violence. It’s becoming a serious domestic threat."
  — Dinesh D’Souza ([13:26])

• "My 9/11 happened to me in 1975 in Lebanon...I ended up living in a bomb shelter from the age of 10 till the age of 17, robbed of my youth."
  — Brigitte Gabriel ([17:53])

• "Lebanon is a republic exactly like the United States. And the Islamists and the radicals were able to use our democracy, our open mindedness...to get themselves elected..."
  — Brigitte Gabriel ([21:27])

• "Stop being apathetic. That’s the problem on our side, Dinesh. Americans are apathetic."
  — Brigitte Gabriel ([27:37])

• "Reality itself contradicts your experience."
  — Dinesh D’Souza ([53:31])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:33] Analysis of Thomas Crooks case and the FBI's handling
• [08:18] Connecting Crooks with 'furries', trans ideology, and patterns in violence
• [13:26] Dinesh's call for crackdown on 'trans violence'
• [16:39] Interview with Brigitte Gabriel begins
• [17:53] Brigitte Gabriel recounts surviving radical Islamist violence in Lebanon
• [21:27] Lebanon as a cautionary tale for the U.S.
• [24:40] 'Civilization jihad' and the Muslim Brotherhood Project
• [27:37] Gabriel's critique of American apathy and activism
• [32:53] Discussion of immigration, assimilation, and demographic shifts
• [36:10] Discussion of the Red-Green alliance (radical Islamists and the left)
• [43:00] Science segment begins: relativity and quantum mechanics
• [53:31] Dinesh’s philosophical conclusion: reality contradicts common-sense experience

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Episode Takeaways

• Patterns in Extreme Violence: Dinesh connects multiple violent incidents to elements of trans identity, framing it as an emerging trend and urging increased scrutiny and enforcement.
• Islamist Strategy in Western Democracy: Brigitte Gabriel details how radical Islam manipulates Western freedoms to gain influence, warning against American complacency.
• Activism Needed: Both Dinesh and Brigitte stress that knowledge and worried discussion are not enough—active, targeted civic engagement is essential to counteract both violent extremism and 'civilization jihad.'
• Deep Principles: Western democracy’s vulnerabilities are exposed when adversarial actors use rights and openness as tools for subversion.
• Broader Philosophical Reflection: Dinesh’s foray into physics is used to argue the limits of traditional experience and to foreshadow future discussions about metaphysics and the possibility of life after death.

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For further engagement, the host directs listeners to actforamerica.org and brigittegabriel.com, and notes ongoing series on physics and metaphysics in coming podcast episodes.

Transcript

[Narrator/Promoter]

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[Dinesh D'Souza]

Coming up, new information in the case of Thomas Crooks. Remember, this is the guy who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. And as I look at all this, I detect a pattern. I'll tell you about that. Brigitte Gabriel, founder of act for America, joins me. We're going to talk about how to protect Western values and institutions from subversion and overthrow by radical Islam. If you're watching on YouTube or X or Rumble, listening on Apple or Spotify, please subscribe. I'd really appreciate it. This is the Dinesh d' Souza podcast.

[Narrator/Promoter]

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[Dinesh D'Souza]

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[Interviewer/Co-host]

Like, yeah, we're trying to get to the bottom of it, but very little.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Information has been forthcoming from the FBI. The FBI Director, Christopher Wray went before Congress on July 13, 2024 and he said, you know, we found nothing in Crooks online history that points to any kind of motive or points to any kind of political ideology. Now this by itself would be odd. Is it the case that he doesn't have a motive? Is it the case he doesn't have an ideology? Or does he have those things but he just never posted them? He kept no online presence at all. A week later, Ray's deputy, Paul Abate, a B B a T E told Congress that, that there were some extremist comments on one of Crooks social media.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Posts, but he didn't really go into it and he implied that Crooks did.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Not have much of an online presence.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And so the idea here is that.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

There'S not a whole lot of there there. But now, thanks to some reporting, and I'm relying here on a report by Miranda Devine though, the investigative writer and columnist for the New York Post, and.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Miranda Devine says that thanks to an.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Enterprising source, there is new information on Crooks hidden digital footprint. And this shows that Ray and Abate have misled Congress because in fact, Crooks did have an online footprint. He did have online interactions from January through August of 2020. And not only that, the online track shows that this guy went from being pro Trump to becoming anti Trump in this period of time. And then he essentially went dark and seemingly didn't post again. Now, evidently There were some 17 accounts connected with this guy. When you, when you include YouTube and Snapchat, Venmozell, Discord, Google Play, Quora, and Crooks was a little younger because remember we're talking about about 2020.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Crooks was basically 17 years old.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

In fact, he was 1715 to 17 years old when he had this online footprint. And of course, what we see here is that the guy is increasingly radicalized.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But radicalized in two different directions.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

So first, he is very anti Trump. I mean, he's very pro Trump, I'm sorry. And he even says that he has, he makes threats against people in the squad. He says, quote, I hope a quick and painful death to all deplorable immigrants, an anti Trump congresswoman who don't deserve anything this country has given them, even murder the Democrats. So this is radicalization in one direction. But in early 2020, he flips completely and he becomes anti Trump. He starts railing against Trump and Fox News and Republicans and he is now making the same kinds of threats, but in the opposite direction.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Now, among the 17 accounts that were.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Uncovered here connected to Thomas Crooks. One of them is an alias account under the name Rod Swanson. Who is Rod Swanson? Interestingly, he's a former senior FBI agent. He was chief of investigations for the state of Nevada during the 2017 Las Vegas Mass shooting. He's also been on the protective detail for FBI Director Robert Mueller.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And so he was contacted by Miranda Devine and she said to him, she.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Go, hey, your name is connected with Thomas Crooks. He apparently was using your name as a kind of an alias. And this veteran FBI guy goes, I'm very odd. It's very surprised if that's the case because like the FBI never contacted me about it. I didn't know about this.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So all of this suggests one of two things.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Either the FBI, which is very surprising, doesn't know. That seems very unlikely. The other possibility is that they aren't saying, and this is key because it's not just that they weren't saying before.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

They aren't saying now.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

They still aren't giving out the kind of full picture of what they know. What their reasons are for doing that, we don't know. But there's another element highlighted by Miranda Devine. And this is the sort of sexually twisted trans or even the term furries. I don't know if you've heard this term before, furries, but here I'm quoting from the New York Post. A furry is someone who has an interest in anthropomorphized animal characters, often as a sexual fetish. So I don't know, this is like bestiality or something approaching that, but it is something to do with a sexual interest in or around animals. These are the so called furries. Well, big shocker. Thomas Crooks is interested in furries. He's interested in exploring his gender identity. And so what you have here is a sort of furry or trans connection. And the big word that comes to my mind is again, because this is like not the first time. So let's take a little bit of a kind of sweeping survey here. The Tyler Robinson, the suspect, the alleged assassin in the Charlie Kirk murder. This guy was, well, he wasn't trans, perhaps himself, but he was dating a trans boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever you want to say, and, and, and, and they were communicating. And I think we're going to find out as this case goes forward, the extent of whether there's a trans ring that was either involved or knew about the Charlie Kirk assassination in advance. The Robin Westman was the, had a trans identity. And this is what led to the slaughter of the Catholic children? This was the Annunciation Catholic Church shooter. Remember Audrey Hale, or should I say Aiden Hale? Trans. This was the Nashville Christian shooter. The Lakewood Church shooter, identified as Trans. The Colorado Springs shooter, identified as Trans. The Denver shooter, identified as Trans. The. The guy who tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh has subsequently, quote, transitioned. So it was Nicholas Rosky, who is evidently now identifying as Sophia Roske. And I haven't even given you an exhaustive or comprehensive list. So we are recognizing here that when you have a sort of mental condition, mental illness, mental deviation, psychological or psychiatric phenomenon that we call trans, that becomes allied with the philosophy of violence, a philosophy that everyone is out to get me, a philosophy that my opponents are fascists. This is a very loaded combination. It's very toxic. And we can see the connection to violence simply because it has occurred again and again and again and again and yet again. So this is something that needs a kind of comprehensive investigation and perhaps it requires a crackdown in a way that we have not seen before. I mean, I keep hearing Antifa is now designated as a terrorist group, but I don't see a crackdown on Antifa that resembles what we would do if in fact, we believed that it was a terrorist group. It's quite possible here that we are dealing with trans terrorist rings or circles. We know, for example, there have been reports of these groups that are. That conduct sort of arms training, they meet at shooting ranges, they do combat preparation. And all of this does not bode well for our society. It's not like we're discovering it for the first time. Part of the point of my remarks is that there is a pattern here. And usually you can find a pattern in three, four, five incidents. But when you're, when you're getting more than that, you know, think of the way, for example, cops decide that there's a serial killer in a particular area. You find, let's just say, the body of a young woman and you notice that she's blonde and a teenager. And then eight miles away, you find the body of another woman and she's blonde and she's also a teenager. And then 12 miles away, a third body.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And suddenly you realize, guess what?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It looks like there's a serial killer. So you are making a pattern, and from the pattern inferring what seems to be going on. I think that we can draw similar inferences here. And what we need is an aggressive crackdown, not on trans people, but rather on trans violence. It's becoming a serious domestic threat. I want to appeal to your generosity and your big heart. Thanksgiving holds so many memories, and I'm sure it's the same for you. Right now. There's a girl finding out she's pregnant. In the next couple of weeks, she's gonna make a big decision. Whatever decision she makes will become her memory of this Thanksgiving season for the rest of her life. So what will she be thankful for a year from now? I'm hoping the answer is you. She'll be thankful that you introduced her to her baby by providing a free ultrasound. And she'll be thankful that she chose life. As she prepares for her baby's first Thanksgiving. Take a stand for life. Provide an ultrasound with preborn. When a young woman sees her baby on the ultrasound and hears her baby's heartbeat, she's twice as likely to choose Life. Now just $140 provides five ultrasounds that can save five babies.

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[Interviewer/Co-host]

Podcast a friend who Debbie tells me has never been on the podcast before, it's downright crazy because we both have.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Known Brigitte Gabriel for a number of years. She is a New York Times best selling author. She's a national security analyst. She is the chairman of act for America. The website, by the way, is act for America.org Brigitte's website is just Brigitte B R I G I T T E gabriel.com. her latest bestseller is called Rise.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Brigitte, what a pleasure. Thank you for coming on.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I'm laughing because it, you know, it's.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Been a while and yet you have.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Been talking about these issues involving national.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Security, the Islamification, if I can use a term, of the west, various forms of jihad. You have been on this before.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Most people have even woken up to it.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Can you talk a little bit about.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Your background and how you first became alerted to the threat that we face in America and in the West?

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Well, Dinesh, I'm delighted to be with you. And you and I have been friends for a long time. And as you know, I'm not only an expert on terrorism, I'm a survivor who lived to tell about it. I'm an eyewitness to terrorism. My 911 happened to me in 1975 in Lebanon when radical Islamists blew up my home, bringing it down, burying me under the rebel wounded. I ended up in a hospital for two and a half months and later ended up living in a bomb shelter from the age of 10 till the age of 17. Robbed of my youth. By the time I became 20 years old, I had buried most of my friends. I had only four friends alive, guys alive from my high school. So I made it my life's mission when I entered the workforce at the age of 20 and became a journalist, to understand why people do evil things to good people. And that's how I started my journey into shining a light on radical Islamic terrorism and how that affects the world and why we need to protect ourselves.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I mean, what's amazing, Brigitte, is that. Well, two things come to mind. One, of course, is that Lebanon used to be a beautiful country. As I understand it, Beirut was a kind of international resort and cosmopolitan, a place that people wanted to go to. So it was wrecked and brought to the ground.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Not only that, but your experiences even predate the Iranian revolution and the capture by radical Islam of a major state.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

So you have witnessed the unfolding of these developments.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

What do you think is the. You said you made it your life's.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Mission to try to detect what's going on.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

What if someone were to say, all right, Brigitte, what's the big idea? What is really going on and why is it all coming from one place?

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Well, look, radical Islamic terrorism started back in the Middle east with the Palestinians. I mean, they have perfected the art of terrorism. That's how the whole thing started. And my 911 happened because the Palestinian refugees whom we accepted in Lebanon put their heads with the Muslims in Lebanon and they decided to create a base from which to fight Israel, kill the Jews and throw them into the sea. At that time, Khomeini wasn't even in power. My 911 happened to me in 1975. Khomeini came to power in 1979. So we started seeing the two things that happened in the Middle east that gave the Islamists the power and the money to explode on the world stage. The one was the discovery of oil in the Middle east, which we discovered and allowed them to nationalize, which gave the radical Islamists the money. And then Ayatollah Khomeini coming to power in 1979, which gave them the spiritual leadership, the spiritual renewer. So now they have the money and they have the spiritual leadership, the Islamic spiritual leadership. And they exploded on the world stage. And as you said, Lebanon went, Beirut went from being Paris of the Middle east, the banking capital of the Middle East. I was born into a country, Dinesh, where we were majority Christian. In my lifetime, in my lifetime I saw Lebanon go from a majority Christian country to not only a majority Islamic country, but a terrorist hub for exporting terrorism worldwide through Hezbollah. So for people who think it cannot happen here because we're open minded and fair and multicultural and tolerant and et cetera, et cetera, that's how we were. Lebanon is a republic exactly like the United States. And the Islamists and the radicals were able to use our democracy, our open mindedness. Hezbollah got themselves elected into power, into the government democratically, because we are a republic. And look what they did to Lebanon. That's why I'm so motivated and I tell people, go to actforamerica.org that's why I created my organization and I named it act for America. Not Think about America, Not Hope for America, Not Pray for America, but act for America. Because we can think and help and pray, and we should, and we do, but without taking action, nothing happens. And we're not going to be able to preserve our country.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Brigitte, I want to come to what.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

We should do and what actions we should take.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But before we do that, let me ask you this. It looks to me like there are.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Two forms of jihadi penetration of the West. And tell me if you, if you agree with this.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

The first form is the more familiar form. It's represented by things like 9, 11 or October 7th. It is the outright attack. And of course, we associate these kinds.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Of things with Hamas or with ISIS.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Or Boko Haram, those kinds of groups. But there is a sort of second type of jihad that people are perhaps less aware of. And this is more connected with the Muslim Brotherhood. And this is the notion of infiltrating these societies and traveling on the passport of liberalism itself. I just heard on social media this guy Mehdi Hassan, who said something like this, he goes, well, you know, if the Christians have a right to, you know, to ring the church bell, therefore the Muslims have the exact same right to have a public prayer and a call to prayer five times a day. And now, you know, I'm assuming Mehdi Hasan is not going to sign up to be a suicide bomber. He's practicing the sort of infiltration type of jihad. Do you agree with this sort of classification of these two types of jihad? And do you also agree that maybe they need a different type of response?

[Brigitte Gabriel]

That's exactly what's happening, Dinesh. There are two types of jihad, the civilization jihad and the military jihad. And the Muslim Brotherhood plan, which you've heard me talk about, you've talked about as well the Muslim Brotherhood Project for North America, which was written in 1991 and actually presented as evidence in the largest terrorism financing trial in America's history by our government against the Holy Land foundation, where our government handed down 108 guilty verdict to Muslim American and Muslim American organizations raising money in the United States and sending it overseas to support Islamic terrorism. And they were doing it using civilization jihad. And in their plan there's a paragraph where it says understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America. And that paragraph states very clearly the role of the Muslim Brother in America as a civilization jihad. That means that when has a duty to infiltrate and dominate in the west using our open mindedness, our technology and whatever available to them to basically destroy what they call our miserable house from within, using, you know, us as the Americans and also using the Khwan. And we are seeing this play out. And you know what I tell people is there are terrorists dressed, you know, they are Islamic radicals dressed in Armani suit. They are jihadists, just like the ones who blow themselves up. You've got the Mamdani type. They are still inside their mind. They are the Muslim Brotherhood. They are operating to advance an agenda, yet they are using the west as the useful idiots who are so smitten with the fancy clothing and the great personality and the great smile and the culture and the travel, et cetera, et cetera, while meanwhile voting for these guys and getting them into office. And that's exactly why we saw 42 Muslim elected officials got elected last week in the election in no less than nine states. And they were elected to advance an agenda. And that's the danger.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I think what you're saying, Brigitte and I agree, that part of the way.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

That these guys get elected is Americans.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

May be on guard for people who.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Look like the Taliban or who look like bin Laden.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Mamdani doesn't look like bin Laden. Right. He has this multicultural background. He's just like, I'm an Indian guy. You know, I eat Indian food with my hands, and I grew up in Africa, and I like rap music. So what I'm getting at is that these guys come in a very dapper and sophisticated package. And I think you're highlighting that point. But here's another point I want to highlight, which I think is more problematic, which is to say, how do you resist this infiltration when it is appealing to the very rights and liberties that.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Are in the Constitution?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

In other words, these people are going to say, yeah, we have a right to assemble. We have a right to free speech. We have a right to buy property. We have the right to run for the school board. And so, you know, if we get some money and we put $100,000 into a school board race, which is a.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Lot of money for a school board.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Ra, we have a very good chance to win. What would your message be to ordinary Americans who say, well, you know, I feel kind of helpless because I believe in the Constitution, I believe in rights and liberties. What is my basis for resisting all this? How do I go about fighting it?

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Stop being apathetic. That's the problem on our side, Dinesh. Americans are apathetic. So I hear people say, oh, you know, Texas. Texas is going to lead the nation in stopping Sharia law. Well, I can tell you Texas introduced the first Sharia law in the United States in 1991. Texas led the nation in introducing Sharia law, which now we have Sharia law. We have a record of 142 cases where Sharia law was used instead of the Constitution of the United States in 22 states across the United States. We started trying to introduce a bill in Texas called American Laws for American Courts. And we started in 2010 that says only American law, the Constitution should be allowed to be used in any American courtroom. Do you know that in Texas, it took us the hardest fight seven years to finally be able to get the bill across the finish line. In 2017, Texas was the last state to basically pass American laws for American courts. By the time Texas passed it, we had it already passed in 13 states. The problem on the right is the apathy. People need to go out, get involved, be engaged because the Islamists are engaged. Our side sits around, listens to talk radio. We have a lot of education, but we have very little action. We confuse education with activism. I talk to people all the time. Are you active? Are you engaged? And they tell me, oh, yes, Brigitte. I attend the Republican party meeting once a month. We have great speakers. Everybody eats the rubber chicken. Then they pat themselves on the back thinking, oh, my gosh, we had a great event this month. Who's the next speaker we're gonna bring next month? That's their idea of activism on our side. On the Islamist and the leftist side, they sit together and they say, okay, who do we need to get rid of? Let's make a list of city council members. We have school board members. We have. Who do we need to get rid of and replace now? Let's organize to replace them. They're not wasting their money on conferences. They're not wasting their money on social get togethers, eating rubber chicken, attending Republican or whatever, Republican Party, tea Party, whatever party thing. Their idea of activism is activism. And this is why our side needs to wake up. They are winning. For example, you see Muslim blocking the streets, playing in the streets. I come from the Middle East. I've never seen in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, whatever. You will never see a street blocked because Muslims decided to pray the Friday prayer or whatever prayer in the middle of the day in the middle of the street. If they don't do it in their countries, why do they do it here? And why do we allow them to get away with it? This is a matter of respect. When we have a member of Congress, whether it's rashidatlaib Alhad Omar or whoever, hanging a foreign flag in front of their office door in Congress, they need to be kicked out of Congress. Because when you become an American citizen and you pledge loyalty to the United States, forsaking all others before her, your loyalty is to America. Not to Somalia, not to the Palestinian Authority, not to Ethiopia, not to whatever country. I don't care what country they come from. The loyalty should be to the United States. And it's our job to hold our elected officials Responsible, our community responsible and ourselves responsible to honor the privilege that has bestowed upon us by our founding fathers. And that is the freedom and the privilege to be a citizen of the United States, where you can impact policy. Americans are squandering that privilege, and that's why we are going down this path.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Do you think Brigitte did a lot of it?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I mean, if I think about the Somalian flag, for example, with Ilhan Omar, and I've actually heard her, and also.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

The other guy who ran for mayor, like, speaking to the Somali community, using a kind of in house rhetoric, like, you know, hey, we Somalis are here and we're trying to achieve our objective. In other words, there's no pretense to protecting America's interests. It's kind of like not in English.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

And a language we don't even understand. Not even in English.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Right, exactly. And, and, but you know, you have to ask, like, how did all these Somalis get to Minnesota of all places? How did all these Muslims get to Michigan? Debbie actually saw an article that was really fascinating that talked about how going back almost 100 years, Henry Ford, who by the way, was a major anti Semite, didn't, like Jews, apparently brought a whole bunch of Muslims from Yemen and other places to come and work in Michigan. We're talking about like in the 1920s and 30s. And as you and I know, by and large, people tend to follow where their kind of country went before.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Right.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

The Indians go to New Jersey because there's a bunch of Indians in New Jersey already. And so what's really happened here is we've allowed some of our cities and towns to get swamped by these coalitions where they don't even have to make a pretense about caring about, quote, the American voter, because they rely on voters from their own ethnic community.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Exactly. And the problem is it was always maintained. It was always contained. Dinesh. Even up to 2,000. Look, and on 9, 11, 2001, we had Muslims in America. We never had these problems because they came slowly, slowly, and they assimilated into American life and American culture. So we didn't have the in your face, belligerent attitude. We're here to stay. We're Somalis, we're Muslims, we're whatever. We're gonna block the street, we're gonna pray, we're gonna block the opera in the middle of the opera. I was attending Phantom of the Opera in New York in the lobby. I'm taking my little daughter to the bathroom. They blocked the lobby, praying the Islamic prayer in the Opera, really. And we allowed them to get away with it. So what happened is we imported a bunch of people en masse in a very short period of time. And that's the problem. We did not allow them or help them assimilate. And that's the perfect formula to destroy a society. And we see the same thing happen in Europe. Look, the Europeans started importing the Muslims in 65 after the World War II because they wanted cheap labor. They came into Europe on a two year visa to help rebuild Europe. And the European realized, wow, we can have cheap labor. We have more time to enjoy our life. We don't really want to work in construction. We don't really want to build. So, you know, they brought these people in and then they said, well, why don't we have the family reunification program and let them bring their families with them and, you know, so they can be united with their families and they can stay here and they can work. And look at us where we are today. Fifty years later, Europe has become your Arabia. And so this is our time in the United States to say, look, we can have a big heart. We can welcome people who want to come to our country. You and I are legal immigrant, Dinesh. I'm a first generation immigrant. I came here on the twa. I paid for my own flights. We need to have people who come to this country who really want to come. I can tell you as a foreigner, and I'm sure you know others as well, there are people on the wait list for 10 years still, I know, in Lebanon, waiting to get to the United States. These are Christian people, highly educated, brilliant business people. They want to come to America. They are fluent in English, by the way, and French and Arabic and who are still on the wait list because there's nobody to process their papers to bring them. Meanwhile, we are importing people like Ilhan Omar and her community into America en masse. That's the problem.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And finally, if we can touch on one more thing, Brigitte, you know when you were describing these Muslims and you said that the radical Muslims are, you know, they're not talkers, they're doers, they're activists. They push the envelope.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

If they think that they can get away with the public prayer and no one's gonna say anything, they're gonna do it. So they remind me of another group.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Of people which is the cultural left.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Which is like that. They're the same. They block traffic, they even pull people out of cars. Think of groups like blm, like Antifa. I mean, in a way, I Can kind of understand why you see the Red and the Green alliance at places like Columbia University, because they're made up of the same kind of people. In other words, even though the cultural left and the radical Muslims have completely different goals, their temperament, is it not?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It's kind of similar.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Yes, it is. And they are what I call the useful idiots used by the Islamist. And this is why the leftist and Islamists have come together immediately after 9 11. I can tell you I was blocked in 2007 from speaking to the graduate school in Colorado of the Air Force Academy. Seven thousand graduate, not by Muslim, but by a lefty Jewish person working with the Islamist to block me from speaking. And so the people that blocked me on speaking on college campus were the lefty Jewish organizations working with the Islamists. The ACLU was basically the legal arm of CARE of the Council on American Islamic Relations. The ADL branded me, the Anti Defamation League branded me as a hate leader and a leader of a hate group. In 2009, Working with Care, the SPLC working with the Islamist hand in hand. And my latest book titled Rise, which came out in 2018, I have a whole chapter about the leftist Islamist coalition. Nobody wanted to listen because nobody was paying attention. It wasn't until Black Lives Matter. It wasn't until President Trump with the Charlottesville speech in 2017. It wasn't until Covid, until now, especially after October 7th, where we saw blatantly the leftist and the Islamists coming together against America and against Israel. And so we are fighting not just the Islamists who maybe don't even understand our culture really well. We are fighting the radical left whose highly educated lawyers assigned to defend them and to work with them and to advance their agenda because they are standing for the underdog. Our fight is with multi organizations on the left, not just the left. The left encompasses the radical Islamist, the ultra radical lefty Jewish people in this country and other groups that came together to work against America and against the American people.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Guys, I've been talking to Brigitte Gabriel, national security analyst, New York Times bestselling author, the organization ACT for America. And this is the website to go to actforamerica.org, you can also go to brigittegabriel.com by the way, follow Brigitte on X Act. Brigitte. Brigitte.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Thank you very much for joining me.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

We've got to do this again. There's a lot more here.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Thank you, my friend. Always a pleasure being with you.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

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It's MyPillow.com and the promo code is-I N-E-S H Dinesh, I'm in the chapter of life after death called the physics of Immortality. And when we left off last time, we are in the process of getting a grasp on Einstein's relativity. Why are we looking at relativity? Why are we looking at quantum physics? Why are we looking at any of this answer. We're trying to refute the notion that matter and space and time function or behave in the manner that our experience suggests. Our experience suggests that matter is solid. You kind of wrap on a table. It feels hard to you. That's matter. Matter has certain qualities that we observe. And we're going to show that matter in reality is very different from this. We also know that experience of space and time is that we move through space, we live through time. And both space and time extend indefinitely, sort of outward. Time extends in a kind of arrow forward and backward. And so if somebody asks you what was there 8 million years ago, what was before that? You'd be like, well, before that was 8 million and one 8.1 million years ago. And if somebody asks you, we're going to go out in space for, let's say, a million miles. What's beyond that? You'd say, well, more space. And this is our kind of commonsensical or experiential understanding. We're going to show that all of this is illusory, believe it or not. All right, so I talked last time about Einstein's experiment, thought experiment with light and with trying to measure the speed of light. And we came to the view that it's the same regardless if you're measuring the speed from a stationary point or from motion. You could be in a stationary point, you could be moving slowly, you could be moving really fast, you could be moving at half the speed of light. And yet you're going to get the same measurement for light no matter what. This is odd. And it means that space and time are different than we have previously assumed. This is Einstein's great revelation here. It does not mean, by the way, people are very tempted to say that light goes weird on us when it's under certain conditions. But no, light is not doing anything weird. The universal laws of space and time must be different from those as we have understood them since Newton. So Einstein here comes up with relativity. What's relativity? The idea that space and time are not absolute. They're relative to the observer. And depending on how you or I are moving, you have your own space and your own time, and I do too. Now, again, it's very tempting to believe that this is the result of faulty measurements or faulty clocks. That the reason that my light clock and your light clock are giving a different answer is there must be something wrong with the clock. No, there is nothing wrong with the clock. Relativity means that in different situations, our clocks working perfectly well and accurately measuring time. Nevertheless Give you a different time for you and a different time for me. And here's something that'll blow your mind. If you can get into a spaceship and travel alongside a light beam at the speed of light, you will notice that your clock stops moving. It stops ticking. Why? Because now, again, not because the clock is breaking down at high speeds, but because time has stopped for you. A very sobering thought. Hard to believe, but you just have to get used to it. It's true. Now Einstein broadens his special relativity into a doctrine, a theory of general relativity, and we don't need to go into general relativity. I just want to say that general relativity is sometimes taken to mean in popular culture that, like, everything is relative. No, that's not true. First of all, that's an illicit transition, let's say, from talking about science to talking about philosophy or talking about values or talking about principles. Even if it was somehow true that in the physical world everything was relative, it wouldn't follow that in the moral realm it would be the same. But this is how people who don't know what they're talking about talk. But even in the physical world, for Einstein, everything is not relative. The speed of light is not relative.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

It's fixed.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

No matter if you are stationary or moving, the speed of light is the same. And while Einstein says that space and.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Time are not absolute, there is something.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Else that is absolute. And to this, Einstein gives a very strange name, space time. So space time is a concept. Again, there is no way to imaginatively get your head around is a concept that is just mathematical. Somehow, space is relative to the observer, time is relative to the observer. But space time, a combination of space and time, is not relative. But the conclusion is very clear from all this. Regardless of how difficult these concepts are, the conclusion is this space and time are very different from how we experience them. Our normal experience is not a reliable guide. That's what I've been trying to show you. And that is, in fact, what every physics student learns in the first year of college. Now, I've talked a little bit about Einstein. I'm now going to get even, like, weirder by going briefly, very briefly, into the world of quantum physics, sometimes called quantum mechanics. And here we realize that we kind of ain't seen nothing yet. Einstein, by and large, is looking at things in the macroscopic world, which means, you know, you're traveling light years into space. You're traveling. You're looking at the universe in its very large dimensions. The big picture, you can call it quantum physics, is about the Opposite the small picture. Let's go to things smaller and smaller and smaller. And what we do is let's try to say, when do we have to stop? I would put it kind of this way. If you had a glass of water and you drank it, or you poured half of it out, well, now you have half a glass of water. Well, let's pour half of it out again. Now you have a quarter glass of water. All right, let's pour half of it out again. Keep doing that. Here's the question. Will you ever reach a point at which you don't have water at all?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Well, it would seem the answer is.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

No, because you would just get smaller and smaller quantities of water. But at some point you would come to a single molecule of water. That's 12 atoms of hydrogen, one atom of oxygen. There you go. That's H2O.1 molecule. But what if you go further into it? Well, the molecule breaks down. Now you have the, the elements, you have hydrogen, and you have oxygen. What if you take these, these atoms and break those down even further? Just keep going further and further and further. What do you get at the bottom of it all? This is what, this is what we're going to explore. And here we find that, like Dorothy says in the wizard of Oz, we are not in Kansas anymore. And again, what I mean by that is that our normal experience becomes unreliable. So is light a wave or is it a particle? The quantum answer is it's both. And you think, well, that's maybe some weird quality of electromagnetic radiation or of light, but this doesn't really apply to matter. But actually it does. Matter also has a dual nature. Is matter a particle or a wave? Experiments have shown it is both.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Then we can go on and on like this.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You can dispatch two atoms, two very tiny particles to opposite ends of the universe, and you somehow realize that even.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Though these microscopic particles are not in.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Contact with each other, in fact there's nothing physically linking them. Nevertheless, the behavior of one can affect the behavior of the other. And this has been verified in experiments with so called subatomic particles. And even though we're looking at the behavior of these particles at the very small level, it's important to realize that the rules of these experiments apply to all matter. It applies to stones, it applies to chairs, it applies to trees, it applies to your body. It applies to the entire planet Earth. So the startling implication here is that at the fundamental level, the matter that makes up our universe is not completely governed by fixed laws or predictable outcomes. The outcomes in some Cases cannot be predicted at all. There is also something in science called string theory. Now, again, we don't need to go into it, but the basic idea here is if we're trying to somehow reconcile Einstein's relativity with quantum mechanics, we need.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

A way to do that.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

There is no sort of established way to do that. Perhaps the best known attempt is called string theory.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But here's what string theory says.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Reality is not divided into four dimensions. What do we mean by four dimensions? Well, we basically mean three dimensions of space, meaning up, down, and sideways. So the three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So those are the four dimensions.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But according to string theory, there are other dimensions.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

How many dimensions? Well, the most common answer is 11.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Dimensions, 10 dimensions of space, one dimension of time.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So where are these other dimensions?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I don't see them. I can't experience them in any way.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Well, according to the string theorists, that's.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Because they are hidden dimensions.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

We can't see them, we don't experience them. They cannot be measured by any instrument.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And yet they are there because they do help us to account for the things that we do see. Now, this may again seem like a very wacky way to do science, but it's actually not wacky at all. It's quite normal. Very often you will see something in the world and you can't account for it, except for something that you don't see. Let's say, give you an example. You have a planet, and it's orbiting in a perfect ellipse around the sun. This is according to, like, Kepler's laws.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And then it makes a slight deviation.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And you're like, wait, what? So one way to say is, well.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Kepler's laws are invalid. The planet is obviously gone off course. So Kepler was wrong.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But no, scientists will say, well, there's probably something out there in space that we haven't seen that is exercising a gravitational pull on this planet. Some small object, some comet, some something. And that's why the planet being pulled.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

By that gravitational force is going slightly off course and then basically coming right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Back into the Kepler orbit.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

In other words, the planet is not behaving strangely.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It's not like the laws of science have stopped working.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

It's that there's something else there. You don't see it, but it's got to be there because it helps to.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Explain what you do see. So science functions like this sometimes by positing these kind of invisible entities or entities not yet visible to account for things that in fact are visible. But you see how far we have come already. We're going to go even further. But how? We've come already from Bertrand Russell's idea.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That, look, you know, we can't really.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Believe in other worlds or other dimensions.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Or resurrected bodies because all of this flatly contradicts our experience.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And my answer to all that, to BERTRAND Russell, really, 100 years later, is reality itself contradicts your experience.

[Narrator/Promoter]

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