MEN WITHOUT WOMEN

Summary

The Dinesh D’Souza Podcast – “Men Without Women” (Nov 14, 2025)

Host: Dinesh D’Souza (with co-host Debbie D’Souza)
Main Theme:
A sweeping conversation about politics, history, prophecy, American society, Venezuela’s future, generational divides, home ownership, and the cultural chasm between modern men and women.

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1. End Times Prophecy & Spiritual Fractures

• [00:00–13:20]
• Dinesh and Debbie open by reflecting on apocalyptic themes inspired by their film “The Dragon’s Prophecy”.
  • Debbie references Matthew 24, noting Jesus said “no one knows the day or the hour” except the Father, not even the Son (02:11–02:29).
    • Debbie: “He knows. He says that very clearly. He doesn't even know that. Only the Father knows.” (02:24)
  • They explore theological debates about the Trinity and the mystery of divine knowledge separation (02:29–03:04).
  • Discussion of biblical chronology—2,000 years from Abraham to Jesus, and now 2,000 years since Jesus—suggesting a historical symmetry (03:57–04:45).
  • Jerusalem’s unique centrality in geography and biblical history is emphasized (04:45–04:57).
  • Dinesh highlights the resurgence of “replacement theology” and contemporary antisemitism among some on the right, including groups adopting MAGA labels:
    • Dinesh: “There are efforts to not only tear [Judaism and Christianity] down separately but, but to tear the one from the other... this is actually what the Nazis tried to do. ... What is incredible is that this exact doctrine is back.” (06:10)
  • The dangers of severing Christianity from its Jewish roots are stressed:
    • Dinesh: “If you measure the Bible, it's about 75% of the Bible. You want to remove three quarters, you want to get rid of most of the Bible.” (07:20)
  • Debbie recounts being asked, "Why are we fans of the people that killed Jesus?” leading to debate about the necessity of Christ’s crucifixion:
    • Dinesh: “If [the Jews] never killed Jesus…well, there goes Christianity… there goes salvation... No crucifixion, no resurrection, gone.” (10:16–10:33)
  • The importance of understanding Christianity’s rootedness in history, not abstraction (12:33–13:20).

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2. Venezuela: Fragility of Regimes and American Foreign Policy

• [13:20–23:04]
• Debbie shares personal perspective on Venezuela, hoping for the end of Maduro’s regime and a return to democracy.
  • She laments how foreign powers (Iran, China, Russia) use Venezuela as a “launching pad” (14:51).
  • Maduro’s rise traced to Chavez’s 1999 ascent and the pivotal 2004 rigged recall (15:26).
  • Debbie: “For decades, Venezuela did not had one fair election... since Hugo Chavez.” (15:26)
  • Critique of Jimmy Carter for legitimizing Venezuela’s fraudulent 2004 election, enabling dictatorship:
    • Debbie: “I think we wouldn't have... had an Hugo Chavez had it not been for Jimmy Carter. Isn't that crazy?” (19:39)
  • Venezuela’s economic collapse seen as directly tied to socialist policies and narco-trafficking:
    • “They ruined that economy by stopping... oil... So who was Maduro going to get the money from? Not the oil, not the people. Narco trafficking.” (20:00–21:57)
  • Support for U.S. power projection against cartels and Maduro’s regime (22:01–22:34).
  • Addressing the “America First” isolationist argument, Dinesh challenges those who say crises abroad aren’t U.S. concern, calling out contradictions in domestic vs. foreign policy attitudes (23:04–23:34).

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3. H1B Visas, Immigration, and Generational Contradictions

• [23:34–28:35]
• Dinesh critiques the double-think of some conservatives on education and the workforce: “At 9am they'll be like... our education system totally sucks... And then at 10 o'clock... American students are the best in the world. Get your story straight!” (24:18–25:33)
• Debbie raises the historical Bracero program as a solution to labor needs, contrasting it with current unsustainable immigration and labor practices (25:33–26:21).
• Dinesh and Debbie agree that decades of offshoring jobs have eroded American skills; it’s not realistic to instantly close the knowledge gap (26:33–27:44).
  • Personal anecdote: Even as a native Spanish speaker, Debbie finds technical vocabulary eroding with disuse—"the woman without a language" (27:41–28:35).

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4. Generational Clash Over MAGA and Regime Change

• [28:35–34:20]
• Discussion on criticism of MAGA by younger right-wingers (often single men), who claim conservatism has failed and MAGA is dead.
  • Dinesh defends Reagan’s legacy and questions the historical awareness of his critics (29:44–30:46).
  • Reconciling regime change debate: Debbie distinguishes between “bad” regime change (Iraq, Syria) and “good” opportunities (Venezuela), explaining links between leftist and Islamist alliances (“Red-Green Alliance”) and the importance of strategic realignment (31:12–34:20).
    • Dinesh: “The regime, if it's toppled in Venezuela will result in... a much better place because defeat of the Red Green alliance.” (32:27)
  • Application to Iran’s 1979 revolution as warning of unintended consequences (33:02–34:20).

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5. Homeownership & Social Mobility in Modern America

• [40:01–45:22]
• Dinesh introduces the challenge of homeownership among young Americans; people buying homes later, expecting more luxurious living (40:01).
  • “The average home size in America… in the 50s… about 950 sq ft… now like 3,000 sq ft.” (40:01)
• Debbie proposes smaller homes as a solution; Dinesh suggests a “Marshall Plan” of new housing in underpopulated regions, leveraging federal land (41:40–43:07).
• Debbie: AI could significantly lower homebuilding costs, but could threaten some jobs (43:18–44:10).
• Dinesh: Whichever party finds a way to make single-income homeownership possible “will dominate the country for the next 50 years” (44:40).
• Warning that only Democrats currently offer a “solution” (rent control, freezes), echoing Venezuela’s failed policies (44:49–45:29).

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6. Male-Female Dynamics, Incel Culture, and Relationship Advice

• [47:09–55:22]

• Inspired by attacks on Allie Stuckey’s speech promoting strong, responsible men, they discuss the backlash from young men who feel lectured by women in a society that has “beaten down” masculinity (47:09+).

  • Dinesh: “The last thing they want is to be lectured by a conservative woman... Men are not, these young men are not in the mood. They've got too much PTSD from their society.” (49:05)
  • Mutual recrimination between men and women:
    • “You've got these women... no man can meet my expectations. And then these men are like, 'Well, what are you bringing to the table?'” (49:35)

• The crisis: More Christian young people are remaining single; Debbie worries, “we're going to get out-reproduced” by demographic trends (50:01).

• Electoral dimension: Dinesh shares that single women are overwhelmingly Democrat, but marriage and motherhood correlate strongly with conservatism (50:32–51:20).

• Debbie’s advice: Women should work on improving themselves; “You want a good person, you become a good person.” (51:36–52:10)

• Dinesh recounts advice from a mentor: “I set my eyes on a woman like that, right? And then I asked myself, what is the type of man that she will want to marry... then I said to myself, how do I become such a man?” (53:10–54:14)

  • Debbie: “Make yourself that person.” (54:58)

• Conclusion: Self-improvement attracts the right partner; giving direct advice is less effective than personal example and character development (55:00–55:22):

  "People have a natural tendency to seek out the good and the true and the beautiful. So you're saying, become the good, the true, and the beautiful as best you can, and that's the best relationship advice you can give anybody."
  — Dinesh D’Souza (55:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If [the Jews] never killed Jesus...there goes Christianity… there goes salvation... No crucifixion, no resurrection, gone.”
  — Dinesh D'Souza (10:16)
• “I think we wouldn't have... had an Hugo Chavez had it not been for Jimmy Carter. Isn't that crazy?”
  — Debbie D’Souza (19:39)
• “You want to know what we’ve conserved? That’s something we’ve conserved. Right. These dummies know none of this.”
  — Dinesh D’Souza (30:07)
• “You want a good person, you become a good person.”
  — Debbie D’Souza (52:10)
• “I set my eyes on a woman like that, right? And then I asked myself, what is the type of man that she will want to marry... then I said to myself, how do I become such a man?”
  — Dinesh D’Souza, quoting a mentor (53:10)
• “Become the good, the true, and the beautiful as best you can, and that’s the best relationship advice you can give anybody.”
  — Dinesh D’Souza (55:00)

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Episode Structure

• 00:00–13:20: End Times, prophecy, antisemitism, Christian roots.
• 13:20–23:04: Venezuela, U.S. foreign policy, Chavez/Maduro, Carter’s role.
• 23:34–28:35: Labor, immigration, H1B, Bracero, generational economic shifts.
• 28:35–34:20: Generational divide, MAGA, regime change, global lessons.
• 40:01–45:29: Homeownership, economic realities, possibilities for reform.
• 47:09–55:22: Male-female divides, incel culture, practical advice on relationships.

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Summary Takeaway

This wide-ranging episode weaves together religious reflection, geopolitical analysis, generational and cultural critique, and candid advice on life’s pressures in modern America. Dinesh and Debbie offer historical grounding and personal anecdotes, particularly revealing on Venezuela and the roots of relationship despair, advocating self-improvement as the ultimate solution for modern loneliness and male-female divides.

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Transcript

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Coming up, Debbie and I have lots to talk about. Actually some very big issues we're going to talk about. Are we really, in the last days, a topic raised, of course, in the film the Dragon's Prophecy. We're going to talk about Venezuela and are Maduro's days numbered. We're also going to talk about H1B visas, the generational clash over MAGA, and a very interesting topic, the relationships between men and women. Hey, if you're watching on x rumble for YouTube, listening on Apple or Spotify, please subscribe to my podcast. This is the Dinesh d' Souza podcast. America needs this voice. The times are crazy. In a time of confusion, division and lies, we need a brave voice of reason, understanding and truth. This is the Dinesh d' Souza podcast. Xavi and I are ready for our Friday roundup. But before we get started, I'd like to mention that our film the Dragon's Prophecy, is now going up on the Angel Studios platform. And that means it's going to be available to angel subscribers. You can also subscribe to angel and you are then exposed to their wide selection of films. But obviously we're very excited that our film is a part of their, of their platform. And one of the things that we haven't talked about very much in connection with the film is this issue of End Times Prophecy. Sometimes, you know, we joke that things are so crazy in the world today. We're like, are we approaching the end times? And you'll sometimes say, well, I don't think we're that far away. Right. What do you make of this issue of End Times Prophecy, both as tackled in the film and just in general?

[Debbie]

Let me start with in general. Well, if you read Matthew 24, Jesus is very clear about the fact that we will not know when it's gonna happen.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Right?

[Debbie]

He knows. He says that very clearly. He doesn't even know that. Only the Father knows, which I mean.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Which itself is such a fascinating thing, right? Because we believe as part of the Trinity, right? You have Father, you have Son, you have Holy Spirit. They're all God. They're all equal.

[Debbie]

How does he separate himself from that?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

How is there some knowledge that is available only to the faq, but not the Son and presumably not to the Spirit?

[Debbie]

That's right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It's, it's a very mind blowing. I mean, you could do a theological treatise on that alone. But leaving that aside, you're saying, okay, we do not know the precise when.

[Debbie]

We do not. But we do know the birthing pains. I think I've talked about this before.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

The signposts.

[Debbie]

Yes, the divisive, you know, the fact that we're so divisive, even among Christians, we don't seem to agree. In theology, we fight. We, we. You know, there's a lot of hatred. There's a lot of people that have a cold heart for other people. And he basically said these were going to be. This is what's going to happen before, before the end. These are all the signs that will happen before the end. So we don't know if we're in the last century, if we're in the last decade. We don't know, but we do know that. And you know, I've often told you, I'm like, well, there were 2,000 years before Christ. Right. That are in the Bible. And then we're now at 2,000 years after Christ.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, let's elaborate this idea so it's more clear what we're saying. So Jesus was born right around the year 4 B.C. jesus died in about 32 A.D. roughly. The exact dates are not known. But what you're saying is that if you go back a thousand years before Christ, you get King David, and if you go a thousand years before that, well, about halfway through, you get Moses, and then 2,000 years ago, you get Abraham. So Abraham is the beginning. Abraham is the, the launching of the covenant. So you're saying there's 2,000 years roughly from Abraham to Jesus, and it's 2,000 years roughly from Jesus to now. And you're saying maybe that that puts Jesus in a way right in the middle of the center, Right?

[Debbie]

Yes.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And it's also worth noting, by the way, and I've seen other people make this point, that Jerusalem is physically in the center of the earth. That if you look at a map.

[Debbie]

Yes.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And you look at the world and you try to locate its center, and let's just say the countries are all blotted out and you're just doing it based on geometry. You're looking at it, you're given a pen. Okay, go highlight the center. You're going to land not that far away from Jerusalem. So you have the geographic center, you have the historical or the center of the timeline. Right. Now, in the film, we were pretty cautious about this topic because as we both know, there are elaborate schools of theology, the premillennials, the post millennials, and they lay out in a kind of sequential pattern. This will happen and this will happen next, this will happen next and this after that. And we don't really go there. We don't even we don't even describe these schools. We simply say there are a couple of large landmarks. Now one of them of course is the return of the Jews to Israel.

[Debbie]

Yes, absolutely. And don't you also see the just horrific anti Semitism that is happening right now as a sign?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I see the. To me it's even stronger to note that the twin hostilities toward Judaism and Christianity and there are efforts to not only tear each of them down separately but, but to tear the one from the other. And this is quite honestly to separate them. This is actually what the Nazis tried to do. They tried to get Christians to stop reading the Old Testament. And their point was the Old Testament is full of blood. The New Testament is, well, it replaces the Old. So the Nazis were advocates of replacement theology, but they called it positive Christianity. What is incredible is that this exact doctrine is back. And it is, it is back on the right. Remember, Nazism was on the left. But you have these new self identified Nazis who claim to be maga. They claim to be America first. And their agenda is to kick the Old Testament out of the Bible. Which is, by the way, I mean you and I know if you measure the Bible, it's about 75% of the Bible. You want to remove three quarters, you want to get rid of most of the Bible.

[Debbie]

That's right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Right. And so all of this, and really.

[Debbie]

By default, you want to get rid of Jesus because Jesus.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, they can't say that.

[Debbie]

No, I know, but, but it's, it's almost like they are taking Jesus and they're putting him in other, in some other form of religion.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, you notice something I've noticed about these guys, which is interesting. They don't like the word Jesus. They like Christ. They like Christ is king. And the reason that they've glommed onto that slogan is because to them Jesus is too evocative of Yeshua. It's too Jewish. It evokes the person of Jesus Christ. I, I mean, I realize that I'm giving you the heebie jeebies here. Oh, because.

[Debbie]

No, it's just, it's really, it just like, it's like nails in a chalkboard. I mean, I just, I, I think because of my discernment, I know it's wrong and it just pains me as you know, someone very close to me the other day, I'm not going to say who asked me about this and she said, you know, mom, oops, okay.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But you're just saying that this stuff is out there.

[Debbie]

Why do I always do that?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And it's Easy to be picked up in the culture.

[Debbie]

You know why I always do that? Why do I always do that?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

In a way, basically, you. Yeah, that's because, that's because you, you tend to, well, you don't practice the art of, of, of subtle deflection, right? You're very straightforward. We have to tell a funny story about you in this connection, which is basically, you know, even when we are in situations where, which are really. We see something that's really embarrassing, right? What I do is I show no expression on my face, right? But then I look over at you and I see that you're like, ah, you know, your mouth is wide open, your are really big. And I'm like, don't give away. I mean, I realize what we're seeing is crazy, but we are pretending not to take note of it.

[Debbie]

Yeah, no, you're really good at that. I'm not so good at that. But anyway, long story, questioning about, you know, why is it that we like the people that killed Jesus? Why are we fans of the people that killed Jesus? You know, and, and to that I, you know, I said, listen, I said, you cannot separate Jesus from the people. There were people that were followers of Jesus, that were Jewish, in fact, all of his disciples, including Jesus himself. So, you know, so. And then you told me something.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I have a new take on it, which is a little different. And that is when someone says to me, the Jews killed Jesus. My answer is, would you rather they hadn't? In other words, let's think about this. Let's say the Jews never killed Jesus. They did what you would like. And so what happens to Jesus? He's not killed. He's not crucified. He lives to an old age.

[Debbie]

He's not our redeemer.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And let's assume he dies. Well, first of all, there goes Christianity.

[Debbie]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

There's no Christianity. Even worse, forget I mean Christianity, all right? We can afford to get rid of Christianity. There goes salvation.

[Debbie]

Salvation is gone, right?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Because no crucifixion, no resurrection, gone. So in other words, what I'm getting at here is that, and this is really why I despise these shallow, you know, equations in, in the funeral service you and I went to for Charlie, you know, Tucker goes, well, they killed Jesus for the same reason they killed Charlie. You know, I, I'm tempted to erupt at this.

[Debbie]

I know that would have been really.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But I'm not gonna erupt it.

[Debbie]

That would have been off putting had we heckled him.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, we're not gonna heckle him, but What I'm getting at is think of how. Think of how abominable this analogy is and how wicked. Right. Because. Because Jesus actually, unlike Charlie. Well, leave aside that, you know, Charlie is not Jesus and Charlie didn't die for our sins. The more important point is Jesus came to die.

[Debbie]

That's right. That's why he was.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Jesus wouldn't. Jesus wouldn't even be on earth.

[Debbie]

God would not have.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

If he was not on an errand, he was on a mission. Exactly right. That's why God sent his son.

[Debbie]

That's right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

So all of this as his son. Right. And I think what you're saying is that when in our lifetime before this, have we seen such twistedness, such attempts to disfigure the Gospels, to change the. Look, I mean, here's the point. I agree that the Christian message is universal, it is timeless. But at the same time, notice that God did not come into the world universally. Right. God didn't make his covenant in a generic sense with all mankind. He could have done that. But he actually came in, he made his entry, if you will, almost like a tribal God. He's like, these are my people. I'm going to make a deal with them. I'm not going to make a deal with anybody else right now. So God enters, in a sense, history in a particular time, in a particular place. Similarly, Jesus, although again, Jesus dies for the sins of all men. Jesus himself is not every man. Jesus is in fact a Jew. He's born in the northern part of Israel. He is born actually not in Jerusalem. He's born up in the. He's born in Bethlehem. He grows up in Nazareth. His. His ministry is in Capernaum. We've actually been. We've walked this ground. We've seen these places, we've seen the synagogues that Jesus taught. So all of this, I think, is a. I think a spiritual, like, red light on. Right. For people to say, you know, check theology. In other words, be grounded and be grounded in the Word. Yes. But also be grounded in a certain historical understanding of Christianity.

[Debbie]

In truth.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

In truth, yeah. To me, the Word is primary, but the surrounding circumstances are also really important. When you put the two together, you get a very vivid picture, a picture of a Christ who is in history even as his message transcends, you know, transcends history. All right, let's turn to a topic close to your heart, namely Venezuela. Now, we, you and I joke that when we met you, well, I mean, I didn't say a word about India probably for like nine months. Not that I had to, like, tell you I'm from India. You knew that right away. But what I mean is I didn't, I didn't mention it, but you told me, like 10 minutes from meeting you, you're from Venezuela and I've come to see how important it is to you. And for example, you were even saying just a day or two ago that, gee, you know, if Venezuela is liberated and if your friend Maria Corina Machado becomes the president, like, wouldn't it be great for us to see the place? You know, because the chances are at this stage, we're never going to see it. At least we're never going to see it under this regime. But for the first time since we've known each other and now over a decade, it does look like the Venezuelan regime is looking a little fragile, a little dicey. Right? And you are just like beside yourself with anticipation.

[Debbie]

Well, you know, it's great. Good on so many, many, many levels. Number one, it's good because it frees that nation from being taken over by our enemies. It frees that namely, namely Iran, namely China, namely Russia. They won't have it as a launching pad, which I know they have it now as a launching pad. And I'm really kind of disappointed that we, we're just now like, learning about this.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You've been on this topic for the whole time I've known you? Yeah.

[Debbie]

For decades. Venezuela did not had one fair election. That I remember 25 years ago when Hugo Chavez came in and fooled everybody. 1999, including my grandparents, fooled everybody that he was going to be this great person to lead the nation. Right. And then in 2004, when he was recalled, that was the beginning of the end for Venezuela because he rigged that election and the elections have been rigged ever since.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And I think today, everyone. You know, I remember when the, the Carter foundation went down. Oh, the elections are actually fair. As fair as you can expect.

[Debbie]

I blame a good bit of this on Jimmy Carter.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yes.

[Debbie]

Yes, I do.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

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[Debbie]

It was a huge role. I think we wouldn't have, we would not have had an Hugo Chavez had it not been for Jimmy Carter. Isn't that crazy?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Certifying the bogus election 2004 and then essentially paving the way for every subsequent election?

[Debbie]

Absolutely.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And today, even the liberals don't claim that the elections are fair. They know that the country is gone, essentially.

[Debbie]

How can you, you just can't. But, but to our point, you know, I, I used to always say, listen, I, you know, I will just be so incredibly happy if my Ludo goes down. And, and I, you know, take it as you, as you want me saying that, but he has to, he, he is a dictator, a tyrannical dictator that has not only ruined that country, but made it a very dangerous geopolitical danger for us. And so not just in the fentanyl. Oh, and by the way, you know, I was, I was thinking, I heard what's, what's the governor of California, Newsom, I heard him talking about, you know, how he just is horrible, horrified that Trump is doing these new things and he's coming up with new ways to be, you know, horrible or whatever now in the same vein that he stopped because, you know, Trump said he was going to open up oil drilling in California and he said over his dead body. Newsom did. Yeah, yeah. And so that reminded me a lot of the way that the Chavez Maduro regime also has a war on petroleum and fossil fuels and how they don't want to use oil in Venezuela, which it's rich in oil. I mean, they have so much of it. Right. It's just plentiful. And they ruined that economy by stopping the selling of oil by using fossil fuels. And so what did they have left? They had already kicked out everybody that was basically middle, upper middle class to rich. Everybody left. It was left with the middle class, which are now very poor. So, so who was Maduro going to get the money from? Not the oil, not the people. Narco trafficking. Oh, I see, see what I'm saying?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

So, so narco trafficking, except the cash flow.

[Debbie]

Yes. He is basically getting a lot of his money from, from human, not just human trafficking, but drug trafficking and cartels. There's some cartels in Venezuela. So, so all of these boats that, that have been like, you know, taken care, blown up by, by Trump. I'm like, go for it, go for it. You haven't gone far enough. And then when I heard that the. What, the uss.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, the. One of the larger destroyers.

[Debbie]

Yeah, what is the uss? What is it?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Is it the Liberty?

[Debbie]

I don't. Anyway, yeah, right there in Venezuela, I'm like, go for it.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Just go, well, these aircraft carriers, as I was telling you, are formidable. I mean, these air. You. I think you read 6,000 sailors. Yeah, they've got massive. They've got jets, they've got massive artillery.

[Debbie]

And we're not even talking about boots on the ground. All you have to do is just be very strategic and get Maduro and his generals take care of them. We're good. I don't care where he goes. Guantanamo would be a really good place, actually. No, Guantanamo might be too good of a place.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Now, there are going to be people and there are some of these MAGA types and you've heard them before, they're like, javi, this is not our concern, though. You know, what do we have to do with. These are the same people, by the way. You know, they even say that we should not. They even don't like Trump for saying things like, I will go and pulverize the people who are massacring the Christians in Nigeria. So these are. These are the.

[Debbie]

You can't really. You can't really argue with people like that because they're so myopic in their thinking. They don't understand that we don't live in a bubble.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But answer them. They would say, well, Debbie, wait a minute. Why are we wasting our time with all this stuff? We've got major problems in our own country. We've got a economy that doesn't work for a ton of people. We've got AI that might obliterate more jobs. Yeah, we agree with all this. Of course. We've got an education system that's a mess. Now, the people who say these things, I have to admit, are themselves schizophrenic because they'll say things like this, you know, the. At 9am they'll be like, dinesh, our education system totally sucks. Our schools are completely worthless. They're indoctrination factories. Our kids are three to four years behind cognitively. Our standards have plummeted, right? And then at 10 o', clock, one hour later, they'll be like, dinesh, you know, American students are the best in the world. America is number one. Give us any job from computer chips to making batteries to working in missile factories. You know, we can do it we don't need any training. We are ready. So I'm like, guys, get your story straight. You know, which is it? And, and this is not a defense of H1BS. It's not a defense of anything. It's just a matter of. I'm pointing to a ridiculous contradiction in what you're saying. Now what follows from that is a whole separate debate. Yeah, right. But let's start with a little bit of honesty because what I'm hearing from a lot of people, well, not a lot of people, because it could be the same people on our side is, I would call it wishful thinking. Wishful thinking where they, they live in a land of make believe. You know, they're like a clown in a circus. A clown in a circus is living in a la la land. Right? And it's. The clown, of course, is well aware of this. Clowns actually are playing. These guys are not aware of it, but they're living in a la la land. There are things that they themselves know better, but they pretend those, those things go away when they're talking about something else. So.

[Debbie]

Well, yeah, and I mean, some people have even pointed to the H1B saying that, well, you know, why, why is it that when we were kids that Americans were working these jobs and now they don't. What, they now all of a sudden can't work these jobs? And I told you last night, I said, well, you know, there was a bracero program that was a very good program that the Democrats basically did away with. And the bracero program was basically these migrants that came in and did a lot of these jobs.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Agricultural labor.

[Debbie]

Agricultural labor that nobody was willing to do. They were not here to become citizens. They were here to work. And then they would go back and it was timestamped and it was time stamped. So there was no, like, loose, you know, they weren't like running around, they.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Weren'T signing up to vote and they weren't part of the Democratic Party, you know, get out the vote machine.

[Debbie]

Seen none of that.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

The Democrats shut them down.

[Debbie]

They did. They shut them down. They shut them down. The other thing, I think that's things that are good.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Look, the truth of it is the, the last 30 or 40 years, a lot of jobs have been offshored. A lot of basic tasks, some of them, by the way, pertaining to national security, no longer done in the United States. Now this was a horrible decision to do this and to do it without even paying attention to the security needs of your own. So we're in complete. We're on the same page on that. But the truth of it is that's going to have consequences. You do that for 50 years and people forget how to do the tasks that they knew how to do in 1969, but they don't know how to do in 2025. And so just to say, I mean, Laura said this to Trump, she's all, well, when you and I were growing up, true. But it was a different America then. And the policies of the interim have changed all that. So ironically, it's almost like, in a way, you know, if a guy is really good at doing a certain type of job. Well, take for example, your knowledge of Spanish. You're a Spanish teacher, you're a native Spanish speaker. But even you say that by not.

[Debbie]

Using your Spanish, I lose it.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You lose it.

[Debbie]

Yeah.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And you have to go now and sometimes look up a word that you obviously knew when you were 15 years old. And that's what we're talking about.

[Debbie]

Yep. Conversations. Yeah, I, it's, it's. I mean, I can still. But it, but like, you know, even, even political stuff, like some, some political shows, you know, asked me to go on and speak in Spanish. And that's a very high brow type of vocabulary that I just don't have. I just don't. And so rather than going on there and, and doing Spanglish just like guys, I'm not, you know, I'm really not that well versed in that, in speaking political stuff, you know, in, in Spanish. And so, so, yeah, I became kind of the, the woman without a language because I have, I have a hard time with English and I have a hard time with Spanish. So I, what, what, you know, what's left?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Ah. So let's talk about, let's talk about these young people and Maga and Trump, because I saw a whole bunch of posts this week to the effect of, you know, maga is done, Maga is dead. And some of these were coming from these kind of, you know, what Erica Kirk calls this sort of wayward young men or the Angry young men magazine. It, to me, first of all, it reflects a complete lack of balance. And here's what I mean, we have seen under Trump in the last 10 months a blitzkrieg of action unlike anything in our lifetime. I lived through what was the previous blitzkrieg, which was the first year of the Reagan administration in which you did have a blitzkrieg and major things got done that to this day haven't been undone. Right. And again, we come back to these same young people. Well, Dinesh what is it that your generation ever conserved? Okay, so let me give one concrete answer to that question. Before Reagan came into office, the top marginal tax rate in this country, meaning the highest rate that you would pay on the last dollar that you earned, 70%. So on $1, the last dollar you earned $0.70 would go to the government under Reagan. Reagan brought that down from 70 to 28%. Right.

[Debbie]

Crazy, crazy.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Now that number from 28 has inched its way up through Clinton and so on. It's inched its way up to 38 or 39%. But guess what? It hasn't crossed 40. It used to be 70. So you want to know what we've conserved? That's something we've conserved. Right. These dummies know none of this. And it's almost like they live in a world where history to them is what happened like four years ago. Their foreign policy lessons are like, well, regime change is bad because look at Iraq. They're, their whole case rests on one example. When you can give them 30 examples on the other side. And yeah, well, I, you know, look.

[Debbie]

On the regime change, I do have to say something that is a little bit different than the typical regime change argument. Right. A regime change in an Islamic world, in an Islamic country sometimes is bad because the lunatics running around like the isis, the Al Qaeda are worse than the dictator they had before. Right, let's go into this.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

This is an important topic. Give examples.

[Debbie]

Okay, so, well, Saddam Hussein. Yeah, he, the, the, the, you know.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

We get rid of the bad guy. We get the worst.

[Debbie]

We get the worst guy. And, and the same thing can, can be said for Assad in Syria.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You go from a Alawite monarchical style ruler to basically ISIS gangs running the country.

[Debbie]

That's right. That's right. So, so that's an example of bad. Right. Afghanistan. Well, I don't know that they had anybody good in Afghanistan before that. Now it's, of course.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, I mean, it was better than.

[Debbie]

The Taliban, but now the Taliban does it again. Right, okay. But in places like Venezuela, the regime in Venezuela is not an Islamic regime, albeit they do have Islamics in the regime. Right, but only because the left and the right, I mean the left and the, and the Islamists align in order to destroy the West. Right, right. So that's the reason for that alignment.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It's the red green alliance.

[Debbie]

That's right. It's the red green alliance happening in Venezuela. However, he's not an Islamist. So the regime, if it's toppled in Venezuela will result in what, in a, A Much better place because defeat of.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

The Red Green alliance.

[Debbie]

That's right. A defeat of that and it'll have the opposition that may not be maga like some people would like. Maybe it's more like Rhino.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Maybe it's like John McCain Romney type. Exactly. So what?

[Debbie]

So what? It's better than a communist. Okay. And so you have to get the, the people kind of ready for that. Right. You have in increments. So a. You know, Maria Corina, she may not be super maga, but she is conservative and she is a capitalist. So it would be much better for Venezuela. So some regime changes.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Iran is the same. Iran, by the way.

[Debbie]

Oh, of course, Iran.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah. You had a shah and the Shah again, the shah was kind of a weakling. He was not as tough as his dad. His dad was Reza Shah, real tough guy. But the son, Reza Shah Pahlavi, bit of a beta male, educated in Switzerland. And quite honestly, he could have crushed the mullahs, had he. But he was like, they're, you know, in a way, it was his gentleness. He was like, they're fellow Iranians. I can't crush them. I mean, if he had Machiavelli advising him, Machiavelli would have told him, you know, basically, sh. Shoot the mullahs and that'll be the end of it. But he refused to do that. And so a red green alliance, which the Shah actually called the red Black alliance, but he meant the same thing, Marxist. Right. The black was. The communists took over and then the green crushed the black.

[Debbie]

Well, the red is communist, the Marxist is black.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, okay, so I'm using those two interchangeably. And what I'm saying is that the mullahs in the, in the Free for all that broke out once, those guys already won. The green crushed the black and the red, so the green became dominant. That's why we have a sort of Islamic theocratic, theocratic regime.

[Debbie]

That regime change is bad, but not all is. And that's what, you know, I'm trying to kind of like educate people with the Venezuela thing. It would be wonderful because not only would we also have a good, you know, fossil fuel alignment with them, because we, we could buy fuel from them. There would be a lot of goods and services that we could continue that we could buy from Venezuela. It's only 1300 miles from this, from Miami. So I mean, it, it's, it's really a, A, A place where, you know, it's got a lot of natural resources.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I mean, the important thing is, and this is the same as you know, basically obliterating the Iran nuclear facilities, if at a modest expense. You can just go boom and you get a better result that benefits you for decades to come, which it will. This is called the basic smart move in foreign policy, right? Incorporating a wide variety of whole food ingredients into my daily routine is kind of a key for me. And that's why I rely on this balance of nature. Fruits and veggies in a capsule. These are fruit and veggie supplements. They make it simple by giving me the fruits and veggies I need and that I simply just don't have the time or energy to eat. These harvested ingredients are freeze dried into a fine powder using an advanced vacuum cold process to better preserve nutritional value. I can say with total confidence I'm getting 31 ingredients from fruits and veggies. And by the way, if you don't like taking pills, no problem. Consider opening the fruit and veggie supplements, mix the powder into a smoothie, sprinkle it over the food, you're ready to go. Join me in taking Balance of Nature every day. Go to balanceofnature.com, get a free fiber and spice supplement. This is the fiber and spice very good for you. You get that plus 35% off your first set as a new preferred customer by using Discount Code America. Again, go to balanceofnature.com, don't forget the discount Code America. You get a free fiber and spice supplement. You also get 35% off your first set and as a new preferred customer. Have you heard about the new movie Call Sign Courage? It's the story of Space Force Commander Matt Lohmeyer. He's the one who blew the lid off the military's DEI agenda. He saw how Marxist messaging, critical race theory and rampant DEI training was changing the culture of the military. Suddenly everyone was equal. They stripped away merit based selection and promotions and the lack of accountability, competency and effectiveness had actually become a domestic threat. He spoke up how it was tearing apart the military's unity, readiness and the whole reason why we have a military in the first place, lethality. The ability to fight and win wars. They broke into his home. He was spied on and threatened. But Lohmeyer didn't back down. So career officers kicked him out. Then President Trump made him Under Secretary of the Air Force so he could solve the problem. When the stakes were high, this guy stood up. Don't miss Call Sign Courage. The Matt Lohmeyer Story. Watch it and buy the DVD now at SalemNow.com that's SalemNow.com MyPillow is right in the middle of their big three in one sale. They've got a limited edition product, a back in stock special, and a closeout deal you won't find anywhere else. MyPillow bed sheets just 2988. Any color, any style, any size, even Kings. Regular price $119.98. Now only $29.88. But move fast because once they're gone, they're gone for good. My towels, they're back in stock. Get a six piece my towel set. Regular price $69.98, now only $39.98. And for the first and only time, get their limited edition premium mypillows made with Giza cotton and a designer gusset. Queen size 1798 kings only 1998. Also for a limited time, when you order over $100, you get free shipping plus $100 in free digital gifts. Call 800-876-0227, that's 800-876-0227 or go to mypillow.com use promo code DINESH for the best offers ever. Quantities are low, so order now. That's MyPillow.com and the promo code is-I N E S H Dinesh. Yeah, let's come home, though, to America. I want to talk about this issue that is of really pressing concern, particularly for young people, but really for many people, and that is the difficulty of being able to buy a home. It is a fact that people are buying homes much later in life. And so it used to be that people who are 30, 32, 33 years old and certainly in our generation and earlier generations were in fact able to move into a home now. Interest rates were higher in the past. People often forget that homes were smaller in the past. People forget that the average home size in America, I should point out, which was about 950 square feet in the 50s, is now like 3,000 square feet. So people aren't talking about the same home, even though they pretend like they are. They're not. They've gotten used to not only bigger homes, but they've gotten used to a whole suite of luxuries that their grandparents would. Some of these didn't even exist. But even if they existed, they were available to so few people. So I think some of this kind of things were much better in the past. Has to be put in perspective for sure.

[Debbie]

And people didn't have two or three cars either.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Of course not. You know, not to mention they didn't have I mean, just look at the. You know, just take for example, things like. And I hesitate here because my own basis of comparison goes to India. You know, like, for example, growing up, we had two pairs of shoes. I typically would have a dress up pair of shoes, like black shoes. And then I would have like a pair of tennis shoes. That's it. Two pairs of shoes.

[Debbie]

No wonder you're not a shoe person.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You mean now? Well, I currently own about two dozen pairs of shoes, but to me, that is so ridiculously over the top. And I only end up wearing.

[Debbie]

I'm not gonna tell you how many I own. You already know.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I've lost count. Let me see. I might need one of those, you know.

[Debbie]

Yeah, that was my mom's fault for me, for my shoe fetish.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But anyway, anyway, leaving that aside, come back to the issue of homes. How do you think we can get. How do you think we can create a situation? If you were to think of a single policy, however, out there, even if outside the box, let's say it's not even practical, doesn't matter. Let's think crazy. How would. How do we create more. How do we put more homes on the ground and bring down home prices? How do we do it?

[Debbie]

Well, I think what they're trying now, I don't think is a good idea. And that is the 50 year mortgage.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah. That creates some flexibility. It's not as bad as people say. Yeah, but I agree, that's not the real. That may be a band aid.

[Debbie]

Well, I mean, how. I don't know, maybe. Maybe making smaller homes. Again, maybe. I am not sure. I'm not really sure.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, here's my thought. And it's. Again, I'm just thinking out loud. So these aren't proposals, these are thoughts. I find that when you fly across the United States of America. America, large parts of the country are completely empty.

[Debbie]

Barren.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Completely barren. And the reason is that the way a society gets populated is people congregate around certain towns. The railroad went over here, so we're gonna build a town over here. So the town's existence is an accident of that railroad. That was, by the way, not even aimed at the town. The railroad was aimed at going to California. But along the way, towns crept up. So here's what I'm getting at. There's nothing fixed in nature about these towns. Right. In other words, in a world where you have technological flexibility and people don't have to necessarily go to work in the way that they used to, why can't we open up and by the way large tracts of land are also owned by the federal government that are off limits. They don't develop it. They own massive amounts of property. So the question is, why not create a Marshall Plan of sorts inside the United States to build hundreds of thousands of homes? Like you say, they don't have to be the most palatial homes, but let's say they're starter homes.

[Debbie]

Yeah. And the other option too is, as we go towards AI, what about using AI for building homes?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

That's an interesting point. So in other words, put it this way, what you're saying is home costs are high because materials, because of the human factor. Exactly. Architects are expensive guys who are working the specialized tasks of putting a home together. They're working at 20, 30, $40 an hour. You're saying, what if you bring in the robots?

[Debbie]

Yeah. If you bring in the robots, you will eliminate a lot of the cost of the home.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Right. I mean, by now some people will scream, you're taking away jobs. Yeah, but what your point is, listen, guys, you can't have it all, right? Either you want to pay the guys who are building the home $40 an hour, in which case they will have a very nice living based upon it, or you say, listen, I care about the homeowner. I want this home to cost no more than $200,000. And so I'm going to try to bring the cost of this home as low as possible.

[Debbie]

Right, right, right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And so. So you can't solve both sides of that equation at the same time. And. But look, I think this is. This is going to be a very power. I saw somebody who posted and got me thinking. He's like the political party that figures out a way that young Americans can buy a home and live on one income instead of two. Is the party that will dominate the country for the next 50 years.

[Debbie]

That's right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And I'm not sure that that's even correct, but it's provocative enough to get you.

[Debbie]

Do you really think the Democrats will figure that one out? I don't think so.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, but they do have their way of figuring it out, and their way of figuring it out is very simple. Freezing rents, rent control. Yeah, but I mean, it's Mamdani.

[Debbie]

Those are all socialists.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

No, I know, but what this guy is getting at, I think, and I don't disagree with this, is he saying if Republicans don't have a better, maybe a more free market way to solve the problem, the Democrats will say we are the only ones who have a solution. You may not like Our solution.

[Debbie]

This is where Venezuela went wrong. Because the right wing self destruction, the.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Right wing divided and self destructed and the left crashed.

[Debbie]

The country didn't have any solutions.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, didn't have any solutions.

[Debbie]

Yes.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I do want to say one thing about the stuff I'm hearing about Trump, because it is so laughably stupid. It's all these people who go, that's it, you know, I'm done with Trump. Right. And I think to myself, first of all, Trump doesn't need you. Right. You're done with Trump. Trump has always been fine without you. Trump is a guy who think about his cases. Did you help him? What did you do to help him with his cases? Nothing. He fought those cases on his own. He beat them on his own with no help from you. So it is that you need Trump more than Trump needs you. In other words, Trump is the guy for the next three years and there's nobody else to fix the country. Right. So all of this pompous, I'm out of here, I'm done with Trump is kind of a way of saying, you know, I am, I'm basically going to crash my own country because. Because I demand that Trump do what I say, even though Trump has 50 things on his plate, like release the Epstein files right now, otherwise I'm out of here. Yeah, yeah.

[Debbie]

I mean, look, I'm so, I hate, I hate that the Epstein files, we.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Want the Epstein files release. We talked about this ourselves.

[Debbie]

Absolutely. And so, you know, can we just move on after this?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But I mean, we're not going to crash the bus over it. You know, we're not, we're not going to take the country into a ditch over the Epstein files. Whether the files are doctored the way Trump says, we don't know.

[Debbie]

Yeah.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

All right, we want one more topic before we close out here. This is a topic that we don't want to skip. It's in fact the title of our, of our podcast today. And this is the issue of men and women. Now, the reason I'll frame this the way it came about, I'd like you to comment on it. So conservative millennial, which is Ali Stuckey, gave a speech, apparently very well received speech, and she said something that seemed kind of innocuous. She said, we need strong men. We want devoted men, we want religious men, we want men who take care of their families. We don't want men to be sitting around watching porn. We don't want men who neglect their responsibilities as men. Now this produced a firestorm of attacks on Ali Stuckey. And perhaps the most cogent of the attacks came from a guy who's actually kind of a relationship coach. And his point was not that what Ali Stuckey is saying is false, but men, especially young men who have been so beaten down by our society, our schools, our culture, the feminization of everything, that the last thing that they want is to be lectured by a conservative woman. In other words, it's like, you shut up, we need to figure this one out on our own. Don't lecture us anymore than, I mean, look at it this way. There are all kinds of female seminars where women tell each other what to do, relationship advice and all this stuff, but it's women getting it for, from women. So the point here is that men are not, these young men are not in the mood. They've got too much PTSD from their society. That in fact one guy even says, he goes, if I want to get this advice and maybe it's right and maybe it's not, he goes, I will look at an older man who has achieved all the things I want. I want to hear about life from that guy. I don't want to hear from some 30 something woman, you know, so this is the issue and I just wanted you to weigh in on this and because I, I do think that, I mean we, we can sense that there is, that the relationships and the younger generation are very fractured and many factors are playing into a technology. But the way people interrelate with each other is so broken on both sides, in my opinion. You know, you've got these, you've got these women who say, who have expectations and they're like, no man can meet my expectations. And then these men are like, well, what are you bringing to the table? Yeah, you know, so you've got this mutual acrimony and recriminations going on. I don't know if you or I have anything useful to say about the topic, but it is an important and interesting topic.

[Debbie]

But, well, it's also keeping a lot of our young kids unmarried, which is a problem. It is, it's a big problem because you know, as you, as, you know, as you've heard, Christians, Christian young men and women are not getting married, they're not having children, or as many children as the Muslims are. And my worry is that we're going to get out, reproduced out, you know, out.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, there's also, there's a related problem inside the country, by and large. I'd put it this way, if you can find a single unmarried woman in the country, there's a very high chance that she's a Democrat. Okay. If you, that same single woman becomes a married woman, her chances of becoming a Republican go up dramatically. If it's the same woman and she's now married and has two kids, our chances of becoming a Republican go up even more. So what I'm saying is that quite apart from our civilization being outperformed, if you will out reproduced, there is the issue that within our civilization, this epidemic of singleness, these so called incels. Yeah.

[Debbie]

And this is, and I see a lot of it on our side, which is very scary. Very scary because it doesn't end well. I mean, it just doesn't. So I say to, to her, don't lecture. Because the men don't want you to lecture them.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

They don't want to hear it. Right.

[Debbie]

They don't want to hear it lecture the women. Because a lot of it has to do with the way you see yourself. You know, someone, someone said once that you want to find the person that you, that, that you want to become. In other words, you want a good person, you become a good person. Right? And so all of the things that she said she should do, she should internalize. And then she will attract that man that is attracted to those things.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

That's very interesting.

[Debbie]

Yeah, Right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah.

[Debbie]

But she will not attract the man that already thinks she's too bossy to begin with. Because, you know, she may be married and she has a great relationship with her husband, but there are a lot of single kids out there that do not want for a girl to tell them what to do, how to do it, when to do it. You know, they just don't. And so you just become a really good person and a kind person and you will, and a Christian. And you will find that years ago.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

When a bunch of us young guys, we were at the National Review and we met this guy and see, we were all 21, 22, and he was maybe 35, right. And his wife was like Miss Universe, you know, and, but just a lovely person, very engaging and also quite devout. And so all of us were kind of struck, right, by this guy with this gorgeous wife. And so at one point we were sitting with him and just like having a drink and he sort of brought this up. None of us would have dared to bring it up, but he's like, some of you might be wondering, like, how did I end up with a woman like that? And we were like, yes, this is actually what we were wondering, you know, and. But then he said this. He goes, look, he goes Look, I'm not the coolest guy in the world. He goes, I'm doing well. But he goes, lots of people are doing better than me. So he goes, so it's not about that fundamentally. Yes, you need to have a job. Yes, you need to be presentable. Of course, all those things. Those are sort of like the basic ingredients. But he goes, that's not the decisive factor. He goes, the decisive factor is he said, I set my eyes on a woman like that, right? And then I asked myself, what is the type of man that she will want to marry, right? And then he says, and then I said to myself, how do I become such a man?

[Debbie]

That's right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Right. This is like George Washington. Because what George Washington did was. George Washington basically said, I am this person, but in my head, I can envision myself being this person, say, taller, better, and George Washington. I realized that this is an artificial idea, but I am now going to try to morph into that. Right? And that is going to be my. Think of the word character. The word. We use character in two senses. Like, I'm a character in a play. And what Washington is saying is you can even take that idea of character and make that your character. Right? And that's what you're saying. You're saying in a different way, the same thing.

[Debbie]

Make yourself that person.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Make yourself that person. And then you don't actually have to give advice to the other person at all, because they will seek it out. People, you know, people have a natural tendency to seek out the good and the true and the beautiful. So you're saying, become the good, the true, and the beautiful as best you can, and that's the best relationship advice you can give anybody.

[Debbie]

That's right. That's right. And you married Miss Universe as well.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I certainly did.

[Debbie]

Just kidding, of course.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

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