Debbie D'Souza (4:47)

This will be 12, 40 episodes.

Dinesh D'Souza (4:52)

So if you, if you look at each podcast, podcasts are a little short of, of an hour in content. They're about 50 minutes. But of course you remember that early podcasts were preposterously long. I think the first one went, it didn't go two hours, but it was like well over an hour.

Debbie D'Souza (5:10)

Yeah, it was an hour and 13 minutes. Yeah.

Dinesh D'Souza (5:13)

And we had like 11 segments. And then we realized that we are kind of going a little bit overboard. But talk a little bit about how this all got started.

Debbie D'Souza (5:25)

Well, as you recall, we went through, well, everybody went through Covid and we were kind of just at home sitting there and, and I don't know where I got the idea, but I was like thinking, you know, since we're home, stuck at home for a while, maybe you're not going to be speaking much, you know, at places. Maybe we should just start our own podcast.

Dinesh D'Souza (5:53)

I mean, it is true I was doing a blizzard of speaking in the few years before that. And in fact, this is all very interesting even from the point of view of our marriage, because we're closing in, you know, on 10 years of marriage in 2026. And we've been doing the podcast five years. So it's actually at the midpoint of our 10 years. So the first five years, as you know, you know, I was doing a lot of events for the gop, and I was doing some campus events, and. And Covid shut all that down. And so I think that was it we were thinking about, and then you floated the idea. And I remember how I was very startled because you're like, if you want to do a podcast, you said, I'll produce. Yeah.

Debbie D'Souza (6:38)

And I. I had no idea what that meant. I just thought, well, how hard can it be? I was a school teacher. I produced my lesson plans. Well, you know what? How hard can it be? So I think I was really startled the very first day. Well, we contracted with a local studio, and at the time, Brian Falcon was the technical producer. And I basically said, hey, Brian, what do you think of this format? And Brian's like, okay, I guess we can try it. And I remember the very first day, and we have a clip, by the way, coming up of that very first episode, our first show. The funny thing is, Dinesh did, like, the first hour, and then I came on at the end of that hour for another 15 minutes with Dinesh. But anyway, it took me 14 hours to come up with the assets to put in for the podcast. And I thought to myself, okay, this is my first day on the job and my last day on the job. I was really wanting to not do it, you know, keep doing it.

Dinesh D'Souza (7:51)

And admittedly, and this is somewhat humorous, I don't know how seriously, but you have offered to quit on a regular basis in the intervening five years. You're like, okay, I'm done.

Debbie D'Souza (8:02)

Yeah.

Dinesh D'Souza (8:03)

And then.

Debbie D'Souza (8:03)

And then this morning, I go, honey, I'm really sad. You're like, but you've wanted to quit since day one, Right?

Dinesh D'Souza (8:11)

Well. But, yeah, you know, it is a. I think we had a fairly. I won't say nomadic lifestyle. We weren't exactly like Abraham with his tent. But what I mean is we had a fluid lifestyle because speeches come, you travel here, raising money, movie premieres, production sets were. We had a lot of activity going on, but we didn't have a set set. Discipline, daily, quote, job.

Debbie D'Souza (8:43)

And. And the thing about this is that we still do those things, plus this.

Dinesh D'Souza (8:48)

Yeah.

Dr. Neil Frank (8:48)

And I think this is really.

Dinesh D'Souza (8:49)

You know, some people may wonder, like, why. Why are you making a change here? It's. It's really twofold. One is, of course, that with our other projects, and we're taking on some big new ones for 2026, the idea of, of combining those, like, just think about the, just say, marketing of a movie or going somewhere to shoot a film for 10 days. Well, what happens to the podcast in those 10 days? And so then, so we realized that we're, in some ways, it was, it was, it was pegging us down and making it difficult to fully execute some of these other projects.

Debbie D'Souza (9:28)

So let's go down memory lane real quick and, and do a clip of the very first, first show. Here we go.

Dr. Neil Frank (9:36)

We not only have political power, but we have enough cultural and corporate power to prevent you from having any channel. We're going to shut you down no matter what. We are going to put a tape around your mouth.

Debbie D'Souza (9:50)

Hugo Chavez did that to any station, radio station, TV station that opposed him. He shut them down.

Dr. Neil Frank (9:59)

Let me leave you with this thought for today, and that is that we think of free speech as being important because it is the root, the means, the pathway to truth.

Dinesh D'Souza (10:11)

And it is.

Dr. Neil Frank (10:12)

Our institutions wouldn't really function without it.

Dinesh D'Souza (10:15)

Think of it.

Dr. Neil Frank (10:16)

You can't arrive at an academic pursuit of truth without free discussion. You can't scientifically test hypotheses and develop theories if you don't have an atmosphere, free exchange of ideas. Our legal institutions would collapse if you couldn't have the adversary system of law. One guy makes the case, the prosecution makes the case. The defense gets to, say, the other side. If you could shut up the other side, our whole legal system would become a show trial. It would become a charade. So when you read John Stuart Mill, when you read the champions of free speech, they emphasize this aspect of freedom of speech. This is why we need free speech. But I want to add a second one, which is very rarely. I don't know if I've ever seen it really discussed in detail, and that is that free speech defuses political extremism. It is not a cause of violence. It is a way of providing an alternative to violence.

Dinesh D'Souza (11:13)

Why?

Dr. Neil Frank (11:14)

Because when people feel frustrated, when they feel even paranoid, when they feel angry, free speech is a way to blow off steam. We all know in normal life, if.

Dinesh D'Souza (11:24)

You get to yell at somebody and say, you did this or you did.

Dr. Neil Frank (11:26)

That, to me, you were wrong in doing this. And then you go, wow, I got that off my chest. You know what? I feel better. The words allow me to express the feeling. And the feeling then isn't looking for some other more dangerous channel to then vent itself through, through action or takeovers or storming this or knocking down that. And by the way, the left has been doing a lot of knocking down of its own. They've been doing a lot of violence, and the violence has been defended and approved on their side.

Dinesh D'Souza (12:00)

Wow. I mean, what that shows me is that it was a different era.

Debbie D'Souza (12:05)

Freedom of speech was very much a thing. We were talking about it. Remember, they had just shut Polish Parlor down. You know, Google was censoring us left and right. We couldn't talk about the election.

Dinesh D'Souza (12:20)

It was getting strikes on Facebook for posting the most innocuous posts. And even if a post turned out to be true, at one point I defended Kyle Rittenhouse, for example. They basically had labeled him a very dangerous individual. So they were like, they gave me a strike for. For exalting a very dangerous individual. Then he's acquitted, and I appeal it. And they go, well, it doesn't matter that he's been acquitted now, because at the time, he hadn't been acquitted and he was very dangerous. This is the mentality that we were dealing with. Utterly authoritarian, brutish, ugly, weird. And so we have to remember that, you know, even though that air has cleared now, these people like Mark Zuckerberg, they're untrustworthy. They're human robots, they're freakoids. And these people will sell the country down the river if the circumstances. In other words, what I'm getting at is that the true character of people, like, and the characters are different, like, I think Jack Dorsey, I don't think he actually approved of the censorship, but he was a weakling and a yogi, and he was somewhere in the Himalayas or in Tibet or in Thailand. And these two Indian sidekicks, Farag Agarwal, and you might remember the other one, Vijay Agade, they were running this censorship machine. They're basically like two Indian despots sitting at, you know, at what was then called Twitter. And so. But, boy, that was. That was. That was a rocky period with Biden. I was very worried about the fate of the country.

Debbie D'Souza (13:59)

It was scary. And, you know, we're gonna show a clip. This is actually one of. One of my favorite guests that we've ever had on. And I'm going to get a little sentimental because he just passed away Christmas Eve. And his name is Dr. Neil Frank. He is by far, I feel, in my lifetime, the. The. The. The most, I guess, amazing individual when it comes to hurricanes and hurricane. Weather advisory, you know, the cone of uncertainty, I believe, was one of his inventions. He just. He really was an amazing person, an amazing meteorologist.

Dinesh D'Souza (14:46)

Founder, by the way, of the National Hurricane Center.

Debbie D'Souza (14:49)

He wasn't founder. I believe he was the director, the Director of the National Hurricane Center. But anyway, the funny thing is that he was a huge fan of yours. And when I found that out, I was like, oh, this is perfect. You can bring him on to talk about hurricanes. In fact, he and his wife came to our house, we chatted for a bit. He got, you know, and I, I was a little concerned because the, the studio is upstairs. And I thought, you know, he was 90 years old at the time, and I thought, oh, my goodness, he's not going to be able to climb those stairs. Oh, he climbed them better than we did.

Dinesh D'Souza (15:26)

He was amazing to you. You were like, I remember you saying, Dr. Frank, you think it's going to be okay to climb the stairs? You think you might need some assistance?

Debbie D'Souza (15:34)

Yeah.

Dinesh D'Souza (15:35)

And he goes, debbie, I can run up those stairs.

Debbie D'Souza (15:38)

Yes, I remember that. I remember that. I remember that.

Dinesh D'Souza (15:42)

The thing about him is also a very brave man because he was bringing his enormous expertise.

Debbie D'Souza (15:47)

Yes.

Dinesh D'Souza (15:48)

And he spoke out against a lot of this climate.

Debbie D'Souza (15:52)

So let's. There's a little clip of the show and I really urge you to. It's actually on Rumble, because that is another, another thing that happened is we had to take it off.

Dinesh D'Souza (16:03)

Let's talk about that in a second. We'll talk about YouTube.

Debbie D'Souza (16:07)

Yeah. But here's a clip of, of Dr. Neil Frank talking to Dinesh about the cooling of the planet and the warming of the planet.

Dr. Neil Frank (continuing) (16:16)

The top graph shows the temperature in the northern hemisphere as determined by ice core samples out of Greenland. The bottom of the graph shows the carbon dioxide levels during this 10,000 year period. Now, why are we looking at 10,000 years? We know from past data that the Earth goes through cycles. We have 100,000 years of an ice age, 10,000 years of a warm period. So we are in this 10,000 year war period. And so at the top of the graph, you can see the, that there's a thousand year cycle in these peaks. Every thought. Here we are right over here at the right.

Dr. Neil Frank (16:56)

So here, this graph is going years before now.

Dr. Neil Frank (continuing) (16:59)

Right.

Dr. Neil Frank (17:00)

So this is actually 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago.

Dr. Neil Frank (continuing) (17:03)

Wow.

Dinesh D'Souza (17:03)

Okay.

Dr. Neil Frank (continuing) (17:04)

All right. So you can. If carbon dioxide was the cause of these peaks up here, we'd ought to see these peaks down here. They're not there.

Dr. Neil Frank (17:14)

In other words, you're saying that the carbon dioxide levels would have to sort of match that of these graphs for this to be the cause of this.

Dr. Neil Frank (continuing) (17:21)

That's right.

Dr. Neil Frank (17:22)

But in fact, what we see is carbon dioxide levels really, of course, not surprisingly, rising in the last couple of hundred years, certainly, and rising over with mankind's time on the planet. But it doesn't match this at all.

Dr. Neil Frank (continuing) (17:35)

As a matter of fact, it's just the opposite. Look at this. Seven, 8,000 years ago, the northern hemisphere was probably 2 to 3 degrees warmer than it is today. Here we are over here at the.

Dinesh D'Souza (17:47)

Right, right, yes, exactly.

Dr. Neil Frank (continuing) (17:48)

Carbon dioxide levels at the early part of this 10,000 year were low in the lower 200s. And then as the Earth cooled off, carbon dioxide levels rise. Well, that's just the opposite of what we're being told now.

Dinesh D'Souza (18:05)

You know, there is a. There's an interesting sort of postscript to this story.

Debbie D'Souza (18:10)

Yes.

Dinesh D'Souza (18:11)

And it actually involves. It involves censorship. It involves YouTube. It involves Venezuela. Talk a little bit about how what happened subsequent. This was an excellent show. In fact, so good that more than one person contacted us and wanted to get the video links so that they could share them. And this has been played a whole bunch of places, even outside the orbit of the podcast. But talk about what happened, because climate change was one of the handful of issues that kind of got you censored.

Debbie D'Souza (18:44)

It wasn't the one about with my Venezuelan friend, though. This was not it.

Dinesh D'Souza (18:49)

Okay.

Debbie D'Souza (18:49)

It was Covid. It was Dr. Fauci. I think you're forgetting that. But this one actually was followed up after that because what happened was all of a sudden YouTube had all of this criteria that these things, this will get kicked off. This will. If you talk about the election, the fraudulent election, the we're going to take you off the air. If you talk about COVID and Dr. Fauci, we're going to take you off the air.

Dinesh D'Souza (19:14)

And by the way, when they say take you off the air, you know, you take years to build up a channel. My YouTube channel currently, what, 800,000. But it was, it had a lot then. And so they basically just blast you out of the water and there go all your followers. And so what you've built up over years gets essentially vaporized in a moment. And you're right, we with after January 6th that election fraud was the number one pretext. Then Covid and then they added on four or five other topics, of which I think the trans was one.

Debbie D'Souza (19:49)

Well, that came a little later. But abortion, well, yeah, abortion was one of them. But climate change was right after Covid.

Dinesh D'Souza (19:55)

Was a big one.

Debbie D'Souza (19:56)

Yeah. All of a sudden they said there is no debating climate change.

Dinesh D'Souza (20:01)

Right.

Debbie D'Souza (20:02)

Man made. Climate change is the real deal. And if you have any expert that says otherwise, we're not going to allow it. And. And so we were like, Really? I mean, Dr. Neal Frank knows more about hurricanes than anybody on. On YouTube. You know, come on. So anyway, so. So we left it on. On Rumble, and we had to unfortunately take it off of. Of YouTube because we were. We were just at that point, afraid.

Dinesh D'Souza (20:30)

Well, we're more than afraid. We had been tipped off. Now, as you say, it was not directly in this connection, but we were tipped off by a guy who didn't work for YouTube, but he worked at one of these consulting firms. So essentially what YouTube would do, and I believe Facebook the same, they would hire these consulting firms to review posts, pretending like this is a neutral body making these decisions. Of course, YouTube supplied all the guidelines and. And basically said carry out these rules, but it gave them plausible deniability. I mean, the whole apparatus just puts such a bad taste in your mouth. Now, when you remember that we lived through all this and we were just part of this regime and it was right here in America, and so. And no one, by the way, has really been held accountable for it, these people deserve to be severely punished. And I would love to see the government go after these operations because they are very tyrannical in their mindset and not just in the way they think. They actually carry these things out.

Debbie D'Souza (21:32)

That's right. So I'm really glad, though, that we have this show with Dr. Frank because, you know, he was one of a kind and his legacy will live on. He was 94 years old when he passed away on Christmas Eve. So our condolences to his family and his. His TV family, because he was with KHOU, Channel 11 for 21 years. And I told you, we were in the car and I said, you know, honey, he came on in 1987 at KHOU, and I started watching him in 1989.

Dinesh D'Souza (22:08)

Wow.

Debbie D'Souza (22:09)

So I watched him for, you know, 20 years. Yeah, yeah. He was my go to person. Every time we had a hurricane coming or a storm or snow, I would go to Dr. Frank to find out what was going to happen.

Dinesh D'Souza (22:26)

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Debbie D'Souza (25:18)

He was on, I think a couple of times. But I always mention this to you because, you know, I feel like I'm a little prophetic. But after Clairvoyant, after he came on, I sent him an email and I said, you know, and he hadn't even run for Senate yet. He was not a politician.

Dinesh D'Souza (25:35)

He was more of an author.

Debbie D'Souza (25:36)

He was. He was promoting the. The Netflix special on Hillbilly Elegy. Right, right. And so he came on to talk about that, and. And I emailed him and I said, you know, have you ever thought about maybe running for office? Because you. I think you're presidential material. I never thought that he would be vp. I mean, you know, I was kind of sort of making.

Dinesh D'Souza (25:59)

Well, I think what you were saying is that he had the gravitas, he had the eloquence and that, you know, I think you also thought correctly, that his background is very telling here. If one of the great challenges of our country is to undo the injustice of the last 40 years, in which the large chunks of our working class have been essentially not disenfranchised, but. But isolated from the American dream and suffered not just financially, but culturally, spiritually, all kinds of ways. I mean, who better to right the ship, at least in theory, than a guy who grew up in Appalachia? I mean, I don't think it's a credential that your grandmother set your grandfather on fire, you know, or that your mom is. Your mom is a chronic drug addict. But my point is he grew up in the most desolate of circumstances, and he made something of his life. So he's a success story. Who knows? I think I hasn't forgotten where he. Where he came from. Also, we had my debate on the show with Bill Ayers.

Debbie D'Souza (27:03)

Oh, yeah, that was at the very beginning. Bill Ayers was. Was very. He. He thought, hey, he's debated you before, many times. Why not? He came on the air. It was a really long episode. I remember it was one of the longest episodes we've ever done. I think it was one and a half hours, maybe even. Maybe even a little longer. But it was. It was a really good one. And then, do you remember, we also had Sydney Powell, and she got her. Her time zones confused, and we waited for her for about an hour.

Dinesh D'Souza (27:37)

Oh, that's right.

Debbie D'Souza (27:37)

It was really funny. So she was on before all of that Dominion stuff started happening. And of course, Mike Lindell. Who can forget Mike Lindell?

Dinesh D'Souza (27:48)

Mike Lindell is such a character.

Debbie D'Souza (27:50)

Goodness.

Dinesh D'Souza (27:50)

Well, we didn't know Mike Lindell. We haven't known him. We met him a little before the podcast started.

Debbie D'Souza (27:58)

That's right.

Dinesh D'Souza (27:59)

And I remember we. He was in town and we went to an Italian restaurant, if you remember, near our house. And. And so this man comes in, and of course, very recognizable and he knew who we were, but he sat down and then. And then he spoke for 30 minutes straight. Right. We didn't say a word. We just listened, and we were like. Then we looked at each other like, this guy's a major character, and he really is now. Do you know, I think he's going to run for governor.

Debbie D'Souza (28:30)

Yeah. And I hope he wins, because. Mr. Tim.

Dinesh D'Souza (28:34)

Well, he would certainly be. I mean, talk about the disaster of Wall Street.

Debbie D'Souza (28:39)

Wow. And we'll talk about that later.

Dinesh D'Souza (28:40)

Yeah. Well, but. But, Mike, you know, we want to say one thing about. About this, and that is that when you start a podcast, normally, you know, the podcast takes months, sometimes a year to gain traction, to gain advertisers. And so I think we were a little worried that. That it would take us a long time to kind of get off the.

Debbie D'Souza (29:02)

Ground because he was our only sponsor.

Dinesh D'Souza (29:04)

Right. We had a one advertiser, Mike Liddell, sponsored by MyPillow.

Debbie D'Souza (29:09)

And sponsored. Sponsored my.

Dinesh D'Souza (29:10)

When I do, like, four or five, my pillow ads in one podcast.

Debbie D'Souza (29:13)

Five ads in one podcast for the same.

Dinesh D'Souza (29:15)

For the same advertiser. And. But because election fraud was such a big issue and Mike Lindell was so visible, we actually sold a preposterous number of pillows and. And bed sheets and. And everything else.

Debbie D'Souza (29:32)

Towels.

Dinesh D'Souza (29:33)

And in fact, I think Mike Lindell called. Called us one at one point and said something like, you are like, the leading salesman of my pillow, like, in the world.

Debbie D'Souza (29:41)

Yeah. And then I got a little worried, and I was like, dinesh, are you going to become shamwow?

Dinesh D'Souza (29:46)

No, that's been. That's actually been one of your regular warnings. Every time we basically sign an advertiser, you're like, let's not go too far in the shamwow direction.

Debbie D'Souza (29:56)

But, you know, the. And here is the other thing I never really understood. I kind of Commercials always kind of like, I would fast forward or whatever.

Dinesh D'Souza (30:04)

But.

Debbie D'Souza (30:05)

But if it's a free podcast, that is the only way that the podcaster gets revenue.

Dinesh D'Souza (30:13)

And not only the podcaster, but, I mean, Salem Media, we're in this professional studio right here. We have people who upload the podcast. We have people who cut clips. So there is an economy under a podcast. And that it doesn't have. Well, unless you. You charge subscription subscriptions. That's one way to fund a podcast. The other way is to basically have ads. And so although occasionally people are like, well, you know, you have too many ads. The truth of it is the ads kind of keep the show going very similar, by the way, to the old television shows where the advertising basically pays the bills and you couldn't really fund the show without it.

Debbie D'Souza (30:50)

And the other advertiser that has stuck with us for five years is back. Balance of Nature.

Dinesh D'Souza (30:57)

That's right.

Debbie D'Souza (30:58)

So thank you Balance of Nature for keeping us on the air and your great products. I hope people take advantage of Howard.

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Dinesh D'Souza (33:15)

Let's talk about this past year, because Trump's first year, you know, we started by talking about the absolutely perverse direction in which the Biden administration was leading us. Of course, we all remember all of it. We made police state to capture the tyranny of those years. It's just downright amusing how you now have news reports that say things like Trump is actually going after his political opponents. I mean, we just shake our heads as if to say, were you not here for the past four years? Were you living in a dream world? Is this some kind of gaslighting that you're. And it is, right? What else can you, what else can you say? I think one very good thing that's developed in this past year, it's not Trump's leading accomplishment. It's one of those quiet things, and that is that I think that people are just paying less attention to the mainstream media. Look at the Somali fraud scandal. They're not even in it. True, the New York Times covered it, but nobody really cares because the real heat was around the Nick Shirley videos. That's what the administrator. So now the administration responds to Nick Shirley. They don't respond to the New York Times. And people like CNN are now in defensive mode where they've got to run to a Somali center and say, wait a minute, here's a woman actually dropping off her kid. So it really is a learning center.

Debbie D'Souza (34:50)

Have you seen the propaganda commercials that they have put on with showing these white people, white liberals in Minnesota going, we stand with our Somalian community. We stand with you. We're not going to abandon you. I mean, like, person after person after person. And I'm thinking to myself, I guess they're okay with people stealing their tax dollars.

Dinesh D'Souza (35:15)

But you know what, honey? They're not stealing their tax. They're not stealing from Minnesota. They're stealing from us. Because what happens is these programs, these learning centers are federally funded.

Debbie D'Souza (35:27)

Yeah, but Minnesota also, I mean, the taxpayers in Minnesota also.

Dinesh D'Souza (35:32)

Yes, but obviously think of it this way. There's a very large pot and 300 million people are contributing into it. The Minnesota share is relatively small. So if they're getting some political benefits out of it, it's, in a sense, they're taxing the rest of us for that. So these white liberals, the reason that they do this is because they are part of the theft scheme. Now, they are not. They are not the 68 IQ, misshapen headed rip off people at the front end. They are the ripoff people at the back end. And by that, I mean, think of it. You think a Bunch of Somalis could come to this country and figure out how to rip off the federal government on their own.

Debbie D'Souza (36:13)

No, they need help.

Dinesh D'Souza (36:14)

They're not the smartest people in the.

Debbie D'Souza (36:15)

World to start well. Right. And I was looking at the IQ. The average IQ of a Somalian is 67 and a half points.

Dinesh D'Souza (36:24)

Yeah. Now I wonder if, I mean, that is an arrestingly low number. In fact, it borders on mental retardation.

Debbie D'Souza (36:33)

It's under mental retardation.

Dinesh D'Souza (36:35)

But could it be that the, that the test is a little unfair to those guys?

Debbie D'Souza (36:39)

Probably not.

Dinesh D'Souza (36:41)

Probably not.

Debbie D'Souza (36:42)

I would say not. Now I will say this though. They are very cunning people.

Dinesh D'Souza (36:48)

Oh, you're saying the fact that they may not be smart in the intellectual sense doesn't mean that they aren't street smart.

Debbie D'Souza (36:54)

That's right. Yeah.

Dinesh D'Souza (36:56)

So. Yes, but I still think that when you bring street smart from another country, you have to learn how to play the system in the new country. And this is, I think, where the Democrats come in. And actually this all connects, even though this connection has not been made, it connects to the films we've made on the history of the Democratic party. Oh yeah, right. Because we have shown that the Democratic Party did not merely invent the mass scale plantation system of southern slavery. They didn't start slavery. I'm not saying that. I'm saying the elaborate system of plantations was created in the early 19th century by the Democratic Party, but they also created the urban plantations. This was, I think, one of the real Tammany Hall. And also think of it, the Indian reservations are themselves a type of plantation.

Debbie D'Souza (37:50)

They are.

Dinesh D'Souza (37:50)

And the urban plantations are for. They're the ghettos, they're the barrios. And let's just say there's a Somali plantation. So the people on the plantation have to be fed and the fraud schemes are the way to feed them. Just like think of it, in the middle of the 19th century, immigrants come off the boat and there to greet them are Democrats with ballots that have already been filled out and basically says, put your name over here and sign over here and here's a bottle of vodka and go see my friend Al and he'll give you a job. And so the Democrats in a way have a fraud scheme in place already.

Debbie D'Souza (38:35)

That's right. And as we know, they also cheat in elections. And not only do they cheat in elections that are like the Republican Democrat elections, but they also cheat within their own party, which is.

Dinesh D'Souza (38:50)

Well, these fraud schemes are connected to elections, aren't they? Because part of what the Democrats are doing is buying the Votes of these people. And if they can buy the votes of these people with somebody else's dollar, they've got it figured out. Figured out. So, look, the big question right now I think is going to be, how extensive are the prosecutions? We've been doing one off prosecutions. In fact, there were some even under Biden. But we need RICO prosecutions. We need to scoop in the Democratic officials who have been enablers of the.

Debbie D'Souza (39:27)

Well, why do you think, you know, 2000 mules was. Was a, a movie that exposed a lot of, a lot of this fraud. And it. And I think the fraud comes in many different forms. That was just one of the ways that they were able to cheat. Why do you think no one has gone after the mules if not for just to ask them, who put you up to it? Who did you report to? If they don't want to arrest the actual mules, why don't they find out who paid them?

Dinesh D'Souza (40:00)

So here's my answer. At the time of the film 2022, all the five areas that we covered, which was Atlanta, Phoenix, Detroit, Philadelphia. And the point is, all these areas were under Democratic control. So the Democrats who were in on the fraud had no interest in prosecuting it. Okay? So it would take a Justice Department, and obviously it was the Biden Justice Department. So no surprise, no action there. And now the question becomes, why haven't the Trump people jumped on this? Because you know as well as I do that this issue is front and center for Trump. And I don't just mean generically election fraud, I mean 2020. Because think of what it would do for Trump's legacy if it turned out we could prove defeated definitively that they stole the 2020 election. So I think Trump is, like, champing at the bit over this. What I don't know is, is there a circle of people around Trump who are saying to him, we've got so much to do.

Debbie D'Souza (41:04)

Yeah, forget about it.

Dinesh D'Souza (41:05)

Let's not look in the rearview mirror. That's the only explanation I can think of for why Trump isn't, like, on the phone to Pam Bondi, basically saying, go talk to the museum.

Debbie D'Souza (41:17)

Yeah.

Dinesh D'Souza (41:17)

When he saw the film, you saw his reaction.

Debbie D'Souza (41:19)

They're missing, they're really missing a lot here, I think.

Dinesh D'Souza (41:23)

Absolutely. It is a great fallacy to think that, you know, it's a little bit like, like saying that, you know, you were just a victim of a home invasion or a murder, but now, because you've survived it, that, you know, murder in your family, it's better to just Quote, move on. No, you don't want to move on. It's absolutely imperative justice, that justice be served, that the crooks at least be brought to light. If, even if you can't prosecute them, you want to know who they are similar, by the way, to the whole Epstein situation. So, yes, I am quite disturbed that we have seen an arctic silence on this topic. Now, there has been some, some kind of, some kind of stir in the Trump administration about information to come out in Georgia. So we're waiting for that. We'll see what, we'll see what that says. All right. Anything else you can think of about 20, 25 before we push ahead to the new year?

Debbie D'Souza (42:25)

Yeah, well, you know, the one thing I think that, well, hopefully we will see even better outcome from it in 26 is, is the, the notion of the tariffs. You know, the. I wanted to see an immediate relief on the, in the pocketbook, you know, like immediate gas prices going down, grocery prices going down. I wanted to see the cost of living going down, all of those things. And I felt like I didn't really see that. But I will tell you that, you know, we drove to, to see the grandkids, Right. In Dallas, gas is under $3. And I don't remember when the last time that we filled up the car when it was under $3. So that's a really good thing.

Dinesh D'Souza (43:10)

Very good on the economy.

Debbie D'Souza (43:11)

Yep.

Dinesh D'Souza (43:12)

And so let's just put it this way. You know, we were both concerned that Trump was doing things in the opposite order that he did the last time. So the first time, first Trump won, he did tax cuts first and he did some tariffs later. This time he appeared to flip. The tariffs kicked into effect in 2025. The tax cut, or at least the extension of the Trump tax cut doesn't go until 26.

Debbie D'Souza (43:38)

Right.

Dinesh D'Souza (43:39)

Right. So we thought, did he get things kind of out of whack here? But once again, Trump is like, watch me. And we're starting to see a major turnaround. And by the way, the real benefits of the big beautiful bill don't kick in till January. So you've heard Besant say, and I have, too, that if you think that there's a, there are signs of a turnaround in 25, like, just wait for 26. Right. I think this is really why I have never been panicked or freaked out about the midterms, because if we see an engine of economic growth in 26, a vindication of Trump, people are not going to vote against Trump because, you know, Candace Owens is fighting with Some kook over here. Or, you know, in other words, people are going to be looking at their own lives, and they're looking to see if their cities are safer. Which, you know, as you know, when we went to Washington, D.C. we could see National Guardsmen walking around the place. Seemed much safer than before. So if you see safety, you see prosperity, and then you see a leader who actually acts like a leader. I mean, a guy. Think of it. Trump has cabinet meetings on tv and they go around the table. It's like, what did you do since the last meeting?

Debbie D'Souza (44:54)

Well, as you know, Trump is. Trump acts like a CEO of a corporation. I mean, right. That's, you know, so start there. Right. That's how, that's how he approaches things. That's how he runs America.

Dinesh D'Souza (45:05)

Right.

Debbie D'Souza (45:05)

So he's the CEO of America. He just happens to be the president of America, but he runs it like he's the CEO of America. And, and so he is. He is very, very much on the economic. I would like to see the Republicans really tout the crime issue. The cities that are blue, that are falling apart, that have homelessness out. You know, the. You know what, why don't Republicans ever talk about those things? Ever talk about the crime rate in those cities?

Dinesh D'Souza (45:40)

You know, they, they will talk about crime sometimes as a abstraction.

Debbie D'Souza (45:46)

Yeah, but why don't they show us tough on crime?

Dinesh D'Souza (45:48)

But what you're saying is, in this age of memes and social media and videos, just do a contrast.

Debbie D'Souza (45:58)

That's right.

Dinesh D'Souza (45:59)

In which you have a running camera, let's say, down the streets of San Francisco, which is Democratic city, and then you have a running camera down the streets of, say, Chattanooga, Tennessee, Republican City. Look at the difference. It's so Stark.

Debbie D'Souza (46:12)

Or St. George, the woodlands, places that are extreme. I mean, they're beautiful and clean and, and, and no crime hardly, you know.

Dinesh D'Souza (46:21)

Right.

Debbie D'Souza (46:22)

The, the crime comes from the outer. From the cities. Right. From the nearby cities. The criminals come into those cities.

Dinesh D'Souza (46:28)

I still laugh because you told me you were at the hairdresser. We live in a very red part of Texas, and you were at the hairdresser. Well, tell what happened.

Debbie D'Souza (46:36)

Yeah, so I was at the nail salon, and there, there was a home. Homeless person. But I didn't even see the homeless person, but I was sitting next to this woman who was from New Jersey. And, and the, the cop comes inside and he's like, where are they? You know, and, and, and the, the technician, the nail lady, she's like, oh, right over here. And so he goes outside, he handcuffs this person and then takes them off, takes them away. And. And the lady next to me goes, oh, my gosh, were they trying to break in? What was going on? And. And the technician goes, oh, no, they're just homeless people. And she was like, she was appalled. She was appalled. She goes, what? You hank off homeless people? And I go. And I look at her and I go, you do like it here, right?

Dinesh D'Souza (47:24)

You, you realize why people move here, right?

Debbie D'Souza (47:26)

Move here because you think it's great, right? Why do you think it's great? Because we take homelessness, we take crazy crime. Crime very seriously. We don't want these people to, you know.

Dinesh D'Souza (47:40)

Well, the intersection there may be complex causes. We're not going to go to the cause. But the intersection between the homeless and vandalism, harassment and crime is pretty large. And by and large a city in which you have homeless people. Look at, you know, la, look at San Francisco encampments, those cities. If you draw a Cartesian circle of the homeless and a Cartesian circle of crime, major overlap.

Debbie D'Souza (48:07)

Well, and think of all of the. You've heard of all these incidents happening where women are set on fire in a train or a woman is doused with a chemical while she's jogging, pushed.

Dinesh D'Souza (48:19)

On the tracks, pushed on the.

Debbie D'Souza (48:21)

Whatever. These are all cases of people that are basically deranged. They're out on the streets. Homeless.

Dinesh D'Souza (48:29)

Yeah.

Debbie D'Souza (48:30)

And deranged. Do we really want this?

Dinesh D'Souza (48:33)

I mean, we've also seen episodes where on subways and places or subway stations, they. Someone will just walk up to someone and like, punch them straight in the face.

Debbie D'Souza (48:42)

Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.

Dinesh D'Souza (48:44)

No provocation, not even a robbery. There's not even like a motive that can be ascribed to them. And so this kind of craziness goes on. Talk a little bit about Israel because we have this exciting trip planned now. We're at the very early stages. So if you go on the website.

Debbie D'Souza (49:02)

Well, actually we have an ad coming up after this that talks all about it. So if you're interested, just go to the website.

Dinesh D'Souza (49:10)

Well, at this stage, all you're doing is putting in your name and your email and saying, I'm interested. And that's because the pricing hasn't been set up yet. All that will be done early in the new year. So once you're on the list, you'll be informed and you can make your decision. But I think this is going to be, you know, before we went to Israel, I'll tell you, the reason why I held off going is I thought to myself, you know, there generally seem to be two types of trips to Israel. One is the kind of faith based journey and the other is sort of the scholarly journey. And I thought to myself, the problem with the faith based journey is it's going to be right out of the Bible. But what is going to be the archaeological or scholarly validity? Because you know, people, people sometimes make preposterous statements about Israel that are not grounded in real history or not grounded in fact. And so I thought, I don't really know if I want to do that, but on the other hand, I don't really know if I want to go like with the Dark Magic alumni because why there's going to be some leftist atheist professor leading the trip and all we're going to get is the kind of shrewd and sophisticated academic prejudice against the Bible. And that's going to be very disheartening also. So what I'm getting at is that this trip avoids the disadvantages of both sides. It's going to be very well grounded and yet it's going to be profoundly faith driven and biblical. I mean, there's no one better than Khan in like exposition of the Bible, like on site and, and you've become.

Debbie D'Souza (50:52)

A bit of an expert in, in the excavation and the archaeological findings on a daily basis.

Dinesh D'Souza (50:59)

I come to you and I go, read this.

Debbie D'Souza (51:01)

Yes, read that. Yep.

Dinesh D'Souza (51:03)

What's funny is I'm writing these, these draft videos for Prager University on biblical archaeology. And so I typically will sit you down and you know, we're having coffee and stuff and I go, here's what I'm thinking about and I lay out my thoughts and then I write them up and I give it to you and you go, I know all this. I go, yeah, that's because I just.

Debbie D'Souza (51:23)

Told you I know. I don't, I don't know, you know, I don't know it before you told me, but I'm just saying I already am familiar with everything because you just gave me the 10 minutes scoop on it, you know, so. Yeah, so no, I, I knew nothing about biblical. As much as I have studied the Bible in depth for many years, I really didn't know anything about the archaeological findings of the evidence of what I was reading.

Dinesh D'Souza (51:51)

Well, I must say, me neither. And think about it. I mean, I had written between 2008 and 12, three books on Christian apologetics with pretty broad knowledge of history and philosophy and, and some of the sciences and so on, but somehow I was like untouched by biblical archaeology. And I, you know, I knew a tidbit here A tidbit there. And of course, I had read about the Shroud of Turin, for example, and some of the controversy swirling around that. And every now and then you'd see an article in the New York Post or elsewhere. They found this artifact. But the. The big picture was invisible to me. And now I feel like I. You know what, what I'm excited about is to take the Bible as a sort of narrative tapestry and then to anchor it in dates and places and events, and it suddenly takes on this kind of new nature.

Debbie D'Souza (52:50)

Yeah.

Dinesh D'Souza (52:51)

In which the. Basically the history and the theology speak to each other. It's just a much richer way to look at Scripture. And so this, this trip is going to be all.

Debbie D'Souza (53:03)

All about that. Yeah, well, we have come to.

Dinesh D'Souza (53:07)

We've come to that point. So, you know, let me close out just this way because we've been very grateful to have you as, as viewers. Some of you like to listen to the podcast on audio, some the of. Of you like to watch it on video. And. But either way, we are. We've been delighted to have you. And don't go away, don't. You don't have to look elsewhere because we're doing, as I say, a sort of a handoff. And if you think about it, if you're. If you like listening and watching five days a week, you'll be able to do this because I'll have my new show, which is going to post every Monday in the evening, details to be announced. And you're going to have Danielle doing four days a week, Tuesday through Friday, with me, making appearances on the show periodically. And so this is really not a goodbye. Is it a hosta la vista? What is hasta la vista? Is it later?

Debbie D'Souza (54:05)

It's not hasta, hasta, hasta. The H is silent. We've been together 11 years and you don't know that the H is silent.

Dinesh D'Souza (54:13)

What are you telling me that I've been mispronouncing words like hooray? Is it really hooray.

Debbie D'Souza (54:21)

In Spanish? Chico, My Chico, my lovely Chico. It's hasta la vista. And it's. And it's. What is the. The. No, I don't like that. That one where it says love means never having to say goodbye. No love. No love means never having to say I'm sorry, but that's not even true. But I don't know what I'm saying.

Dinesh D'Souza (54:42)

I think you're. It may be a really good time that we're stopping at this point because you are careening off the road.

Debbie D'Souza (54:49)

I'm off the rails. I think it's because I'm so upset that I've been fired and I have no job prospects. I will be sending out resumes. My resume to Should I go back to teaching?

Dinesh D'Souza (55:02)

No, I don't think you need to go back to teaching. We have lots of projects to keep you very busy from here on out.

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