685 - Jack Walton - Live

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Episode 685 - Jack Walton - Live
Release Date: May 27, 2025

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Introduction to Jack Walton
Timestamp: 04:46 – 06:20

In this episode, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds delve into the complex and tumultuous life of Jack Walton, a significant yet controversial figure in Oklahoma's political history. Walton’s journey from a railroad timekeeper to becoming the shortest-serving governor in Oklahoma's history is explored in depth, highlighting his ambitious yet often contradictory policies and actions.

Early Life and Career
Timestamp: 02:46 – 05:00

Jack Walton was born on March 6, 1880, on a farm near Indianapolis and moved to Fort Smith, Arkansas, at the age of eight. After serving in the Spanish-American War and working as a railroad timekeeper, Walton's early career laid a foundation for his future political endeavors. Gareth humorously remarks, “He wouldn’t understand how we do it here.” (04:56), underscoring Walton's deep roots in the region.

Political Rise and Mayoral Campaign
Timestamp: 07:24 – 09:35

Walton's entry into politics was marked by his charismatic and unconventional campaign strategies, including hiring a jazz band to attract crowds. This earned him the nickname "Jazz Band Jack." Dave notes, “He promised if elected, he would hold a massive barbecue.” (19:15), illustrating Walton’s attempts to appeal to the everyday voter through relatable and festive promises. Despite the negative press, Walton won the mayoral election by an unprecedented margin of 50,000 votes, as highlighted by Dirk Langveld: “He won the election in Oklahoma City by 50,000 votes, the largest majority in the state's history at the time.” (09:51).

Progressive Policies and Relations with the KKK
Timestamp: 10:03 – 31:39

As governor, Walton championed several progressive initiatives such as women's suffrage, the 40-hour workweek, and public ownership of utilities. However, his tenure was also marked by a precarious relationship with the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Gareth humorously refers to Walton’s conflicting policies: “Stop talking.” (28:05), while Dave explains Walton's complex stance: “He forbade police officers from joining the Ku Klux Klan.” (12:04). This dual approach created significant tension, as Walton tried to position himself as both a progressive leader and a figure attempting to curb Klan influence.

Martial Law Declaration and Tulsa Riot
Timestamp: 43:27 – 60:01

One of the pivotal moments of Walton's governorship was his declaration of martial law in Tulsa following violent riots that devastated the Black community’s prosperous area known as Black Wall Street. The podcast vividly describes the chaos and Walton’s drastic measures: “He ordered martial law and sent in the National Guard, but later revealed that many guardsmen were secretly Klan members.” (60:01). This action was both a response to the immediate violence and a strategic move to maintain his political standing amidst growing criticism.

Impeachment Proceedings and Downfall
Timestamp: 61:08 – 78:09

Walton's overreach ultimately led to his impeachment. As tensions escalated, he repeatedly invoked martial law to suppress opposition and control the narrative. Gareth remarks on Walton's relentless use of power: “Everything's a Klan meeting or martial law.” (65:11). The legislature, led by WD McBee, initiated impeachment proceedings, accusing Walton of corruption, abuse of power, and moral turpitude. Despite his efforts to delay and manipulate the process by declaring statewide martial law, Walton was found guilty on 11 charges after a tumultuous 11-day court of impeachment, marking the end of his governorship on November 1st, after just ten months in office. Dave summarizes, “He was the first to be impeached. He got some anti Klan legislation passed, but it was pretty weak.” (78:09).

Legacy and Final Years
Timestamp: 78:09 – 81:13

Following his impeachment, Walton attempted to regain political influence by running for the Senate in 1924, though he failed to secure the nomination. His final public role was serving on the Oklahoma Corporation Commission from 1933 to 1940. Walton passed away on November 25, 1944, at the age of 68. Dave concludes with a reflective note on Walton’s legacy: “He was Oklahoma's most famous leftist… sometimes he was good. And when he was bad, he was real bad.” (81:38).

Notable Quotes

• Dave Anthony [09:51]: “He won the election in Oklahoma City by 50,000 votes, the largest majority in the state's history at the time.”
• Gareth Reynolds [19:15]: “He promised if elected, he would hold a massive barbecue.”
• Dave Anthony [28:05]: “He forbade police officers from joining the Ku Klux Klan.”
• Gareth Reynolds [65:11]: “Everything's a Klan meeting or martial law.”
• Dave Anthony [78:09]: “He was the first to be impeached. He got some anti Klan legislation passed, but it was pretty weak.”

Conclusion

Episode 685 of The Dollop presents a detailed and engaging exploration of Jack Walton's complex political life. Through humorous banter and insightful commentary, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds shed light on Walton’s ambitious yet flawed attempts to navigate the tumultuous political landscape of early 20th-century Oklahoma. This episode offers listeners a compelling narrative of power, progressivism, and the pervasive influence of the Ku Klux Klan during Walton’s governance.

Transcript

[Dave Anthony]

The Dollop is going on tour in June 2025. We will be in Sacramento on June 3rd. We'll be in Boise, Idaho, on June 4th, Spokane on June 5th, Seattle on June 6th, Portland on June 7th, Bend, Oregon on June 8th, and San Francisco on June 10th. Go to the dollop podcast.com to get all our tour links for tickets. You're listening to the Dollop. This is an American history podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to my little tiny friend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're not going to demean me. We love each other. Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. You wouldn't get it.

[Dave Anthony]

What would I not get? The hat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He wouldn't understand how we do it here.

[Dave Anthony]

I see no one else with a pink cowboy hat on but you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right. Well, they get it. They don't get it how I get it, but none of us get you. Look at him with a San Francisco hat. Ooh, San Francisco. Hey, how's that city going, Lib? You want a hat war? You got it. It's pink. Gary time. Gianc.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm gonna leave.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You should go back to your little city where you got all your freeways and your apartment building. Not like us. We drive on roads with tractors. We all live in barns and take horses for wives. Right? Who's with me? Yeah. A lot more people here than are wooing. I'll be honest. That was a very.

[Dave Anthony]

You know, a lot of right wingers talk shit about San Francisco, the city, and how bad it is, but, man, Circle K down the street's no fucking picnic. Holy shit. I almost died. I was like, are these humans? The fuck was that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's your fault for going into a Circle K. Dude. That's like, I don't know. What the fuck? What do you expect when you walk into a Circle K?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I thought I transported into 1997 Russia. I'm like, what the fuck?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's gonna be a dream in six months.

[Dave Anthony]

March 6, 1880. John Calloway Walton was born on a farm near Indianapolis. They called him Jack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's exciting. They called him Jack.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So his family moved to Fort Smith, Arkansas when he was eight. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Woo. Fort Smith, Arkansas.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, literally, no one knows where it is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And would you listen to this San Francisco liberal tell us where our cities are. No one knows where your town is. Newsom, get your head out of your ass. Good Lord. Try a little dill weed in your salad, would you, boy? It's disgusting.

[Dave Anthony]

The Oklahoma Society quote, Walton's Parents instilled within their son a rigid moral code.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good. Never. Good. I do not agree.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, fins up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fins up to bat.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. He traveled a lot as a young man and served in the army during the Spanish American War. Sacrifice fly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's all right.

[Dave Anthony]

We'll take it. It's a run. Yeah, yeah. After graduating from Fort Smith Commercial College, he got a job as a railroad timekeeper.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A timekeeper.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. Railroad timekeeper.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Got no idea what that. I looked for it. Well, I got a theory.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I mean, he's probably, like, making sure the trains know what time it is so that they can leave on. It's what we would love at an airport.

[Dave Anthony]

My guess is, is that it was to prevent collisions. Like, he would keep the. Like they were on the same track and they had a switch so he would be like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So like sprints?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, like sprints.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How fast did this train do a 40 in.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1950? In 1853, there's a head on collision because the conductors had different times on their watches.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, so he's like a synchronization agent?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Make sure all your watches are right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's just. That seems like you could. You don't have to do that job a lot.

[Dave Anthony]

A lot. Like every day. What time you got?

[Gareth Reynolds]

At 3ish.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, it's 7am oh, my goodness gracious. I, like most in this era, have a huge drinking issue. I don't even have a watch.

[Dave Anthony]

God damn it, Larry.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A fella stolen from me last night.

[Dave Anthony]

In the late 19th century, railroads replaced 50 different railway times with five time zones to ensure consistency. That's how we got time zones.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then Arizona still is. Like, we don't do daylight saving.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's do a half hour now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We drove through Arizona yesterday. Was it yesterday?

[Dave Anthony]

Give that fucking statement.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And we were like. We even, like, at one point, Waze was just giving us the finger. I don't know what time you'll get there.

[Dave Anthony]

Seven hours.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How about five? I don't know what time you'll get there, but you shouldn't have gone through Arizona. They don't celebrate time.

[Dave Anthony]

So John, known as Jack, he called. They called him Jack, not John. I never got that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Kieran Culkin will play him in the biopic.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So after the railroad job quote, the details of his life become sketchy and remain a topic of debate.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, so we're about to enter a maybes.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We don't know this Is really difficult for what you do.

[Dave Anthony]

One theory. Well, we can do theories now. One theory is he spent four years in Mexico serving as a personal train engineer to President Porfirio Diaz, Although there's absolutely no evidence of that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I want to find out what time my train will arrive.

[Dave Anthony]

People also think he may have been a traveling salesman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This era is getting more and more appealing to me.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Where you just went. And they're like, I'll have a stove. And then this guy was just like, hey, do you want a wallet or something to put your knife in? You're like, yeah, that sounds cool, too.

[Dave Anthony]

He did study engineering, and then he moved to Kansas City to become a salesman for national supply houses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, so we only lose him for four years.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, then we're back.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, gotcha.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1904, he moved to Oklahoma. He came here to work in the water and sewage business. Or did he? No one really knows. Some people say he didn't arrive till 1915. No one knows what he was doing. Anyway, what we do know is 1905, he married Madeleine Orich just three weeks after divorcing his first wife, who we know nothing about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. This guy kept. He dlled it pretty strong.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he was. Yeah. In 1913, he co founded the McIntosh and Walton Engineering Company and served in the engineering corps during World War II. By 1917, he had. As a. He had a rep in Oklahoma as a charming and charismatic local leader.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He was elected as public works commissioner and ran in 1920, ran for mayor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Here we go. This is where it's starting to get dicey. Quote, politics.

[Dave Anthony]

Few expected him to succeed, and many local journalists already hated him, seeing him as a political upstart with delusions of grandeur.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, so like everybody in government now. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Well, this guy thinks he's a fancy one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They all think they're better than us now.

[Dave Anthony]

During his campaign, he hired a jazz band to get people to come to his speeches.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I like that.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jack got the nickname Jazz Band Jack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's so amazing how they morph into a politician.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, they look human for so long and then they get in and then they're like, hey, I'm going to look like I drink oil.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, that is jazz band. But if you saw him, you'd be like, yeah, jazz.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jazz, Absolutely. The jazz guy and his jazz band Jack. Because he hired the band who probably was horrible to follow him everywhere.

[Dave Anthony]

Right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Minions.

[Dave Anthony]

Despite the bad press, he won.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The bad press was what the.

[Dave Anthony]

The press hated him. So they just went after him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We don't know. Okay. All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Author Dirk Langveld, quote, he won the election in Oklahoma City by 50,000 votes, the largest majority in the state's history at the time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But 50,000 votes as a huge margin is also fun.

[Dave Anthony]

That's huge. I mean, back then.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I know.

[Dave Anthony]

Insane.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Finn's team is up five to one in the bottom of the first. Just saying. Undefeated. So be there. This will be 11. And.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, we got a lot of money on this game, too. We got a lot of money on this one.

[Dave Anthony]

So he was a supporter of progressive ideas like women's suffrage, the 40 hour workweek, and public ownership of utilities. Remember public ownership of utilities? Oh, my God, no. Remember women's suffrage?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

Can't vote.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nope. All I remember is the jazz band.

[Dave Anthony]

That actually might happen with our current government that they're like, all jazz guys gotta be white.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That might be what we have to do for a while. We might just approve proof of concept. We might have to be like, fine, go for it. And be like, wait, the dog that caught the mailman. 2, 3, 4, 5.

[Dave Anthony]

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's got. Just got his mouth on the end of the trombone and puts his finger on the lip part.

[Dave Anthony]

Walton was rumored to be so liberal on the issue of race relations that he was a regular at black jazz clubs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They didn't see that picture. Do not allow this man in. And then there's this picture, that jazz band.

[Dave Anthony]

If he. Yeah, I bet if he had had a black jazz band playing, they would put it for him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, listen, it's a great country. It's a lot of fun.

[Dave Anthony]

As a mayor, he would usurp the police if he felt they weren't doing their job. Could you imagine?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We need to put fucking. Oh, God. A usurper for positive stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Especially with Prohibition laws. Quote, Walton personally led raids against speakeasies and other illegal establishments.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now he's losing us easy. Yeah, exactly. He forbade booze.

[Dave Anthony]

He forbade police officers from joining the Ku Klux Klan.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Those are the days.

[Dave Anthony]

What an achievement. And everyone's like, yeah, that's right. He wouldn't let cops join the Klan.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know what's so fucked up? Like, in 10 years, that'll be the Democratic Party platform. It'll be Chuck Schumer, whose head is on his dick. Finally. And we're the only party that's saying that you cannot be a Klansman and a cop. Excuse me real quick. I'm gonna suck my own dick down here.

[Dave Anthony]

In one remarkable Case. He ordered a 10 year old boy to be whipped for disrespecting a 13 year old black girl. I am. Yeah, it's a hard one. I don't know. Fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's the right reaction. Yeah. I don't know where to land on that. Did you talk to him? A little first? Pull him aside, set him straight. Jesus Christ, this guy's all over the map. Yeah, like the EKG of my heart right now is like bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Love him. What the fuck? Love him. Oh no.

[Dave Anthony]

He was very pro labor when the meat packers went on strike. He provided them with food and refused to extend police protection to owners and their property, which infuriated the Chamber of commerce.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, there you go. There you go.

[Dave Anthony]

Yep. In January 1922, a black man was lynched after crossing the picket line, dragged from his home, shot and hanged. And the Chamber of Commerce then demanded martial law to prevent more unrest. But Jack said the Chamber was quote, killing the city by their promotion of labor strife and wanted to finish the job by declaring martial law. The murder was made to look like the KKK did it, but it was later found out to be done by union guys. I mean, union history is a complicated history.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus. Each one of these is like a riddle. It feels like I'm having like a psychological exam.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do you like that or not like that?

[Dave Anthony]

I think, I think I. Fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, should that boy have been whipped or should that boy have been allowed to do that to that poor little black woman?

[Dave Anthony]

I like it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Uh huh. Go ahead. You don't need to look into that mirror on the wall there. There's just a regular mirror. Do you like it? You like when little boys get whipped? Your bag. Is that, is that right? I'm afraid you're not Circle K material. We're, we're looking for the best of the best.

[Dave Anthony]

A Circle K so fucked up that you can't swipe your credit card at the gas. Can't have that anymore.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. Yeah. Well then you just get. You gotta go inside to complete the circle.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. The guy laughed at me because I was wearing a mask. I was like, you should see you as a human.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dave's a popular guy.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jack embraced the. He's the everyman. Right? That's his political thing. He's the every guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

The Farmer Labor Reconstruction League had formed to appeal to workers and farmers. It was run by a socialist and a former member of the left wing non partisan league. Yeah, Yep, yep. That's actually what needs to come back The Democratic Party, if you can believe this, at the time, struggling.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Define struggling, please, sir. We've got a bunch of stuff we're doing. Chex Mix will now have rye chips. You're welcome.

[Dave Anthony]

Farmers and laborers had left the party and they were losing the Catholic vote. And people who were worried about the kkk.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck me.

[Dave Anthony]

This is when it was like a Ponzi scheme where the guy was like charging for the uniforms and.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's why it was a grand wizard. It cost a grand. You were like, wait, what? A pyramid scheme?

[Dave Anthony]

The Oklahoma Historical Society, quote, desperate for a victory, Democratic leaders look to Walton, the reputed friend of the common man, as their savior.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So, Walt, it's amazing also that they can't figure it out.

[Dave Anthony]

No. How can you that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're like, okay, what am I supposed to do?

[Dave Anthony]

What people want.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

So he happily accepts the endorsement and he crushes two primary candidates.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's a primary? I don't remember.

[Dave Anthony]

The KKK had endorsed another candidate. And also mandatory public school, which pushed the Catholic vote to Jack. Because you can't have public school. So the Oklahoma Historical Society, quote, walton hit the campaign trail once again with his jazz band in tow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Please tell me he upgraded a little.

[Dave Anthony]

Come on, whitey.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Four, five, nine hundred. How are you not aging?

[Dave Anthony]

Large crowds gathered wherever he went, listening to speeches long on content and short on substance, described by one critic as ill conceived mouthings.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've had those. That's the name of the album. Back when I. When it used to be whiskey and beer, I was a lot of ill conceived mouthing, but receiver and participant.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, Crowds love them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just waking up. Sorry. Last night was an ill conceived mouth. So sorry. I shouldn't have done this. What are we doing? You're married?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, I am. We do a podcast together.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Jesus. No, wait. That's how the show started.

[Dave Anthony]

So crowds love him. He promised if elected, he would hold a massive barbecue.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

That'll get you votes here, right? That'll get you votes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I honestly just. Most of it is good, but if you are like. And then we're gonna have a kick ass party if I win.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It takes so little now.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, if someone was like, you'll get a noodle, I'd be like, yeah, that'll work.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I take a noodle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That sounds good.

[Dave Anthony]

The press still hates him. There are questions about his conduct as mayor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why? Why are they. Why do they hate him? They hate him because he.

[Dave Anthony]

I couldn't figure it out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Erratic or because they're in the pocket? I Think.

[Dave Anthony]

They just think he's full of shit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Okay. Sure. Right. The press. Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, ethical questions plagued him wherever he went. Such as his tendency to issue Honorary Member of Police cards to friends and prestigious guests who visited. Hey, Elvis, you want to be a cop?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I don't know if I'm qualified, but.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, you're qualified.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm on a lot of barbiturates.

[Dave Anthony]

That's it. Then you are qualified.

[Gareth Reynolds]

For the past two months, I've been trying to get a pig that appears and then disappears.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, then you really ready to go?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The other day I chased him in a bathtub drain and got my tongue stuck down it.

[Dave Anthony]

Tongue What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

My tongue got stuck down it. It's called a salt burn. What? Giving everyone a cop car is awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Cop card.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, card.

[Dave Anthony]

Card.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, no. Why didn't you give everyone a cop car? That would be the best.

[Dave Anthony]

Who the. How much money do you think this town has?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I was to see why the press hated him. Like we don't know who the fuck is a cop anymore.

[Dave Anthony]

700 cop guards driving around.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are you a real cop? No. Are you? Nuh. I am. Shut up. That would be the best. Fuck. I was picturing like, the end of the Blues Brothers. That'd be the best. He's the Oprah of cop cars. You get a cop car. What the fuck? I'm nine. Drive it.

[Dave Anthony]

So the press attacks on him, didn't dent his popularity. No one cared, if you can imagine. He was the working man candidate. He defeated the Republican by 50,000 votes in the general election.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. He's good at that.

[Dave Anthony]

He was supported by Catholic farm labor and black voters. The KKK did not endorse either candidate, despite both of them trying to get the KKK vote. Because you want that He.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait, he was too.

[Dave Anthony]

No, he tried to get it, but.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He did try to get it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah. You want to vote? Because they're like, the biggest thing in politics at that time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck me. Every time. I'm like, grow up.

[Dave Anthony]

Grow up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're right. Absolutely. You're right. I should really check myself.

[Dave Anthony]

But many clan members were Democrats and likely voted for Jack in the election. WD McBee.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? WD McBee.

[Dave Anthony]

WD McBee.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my Lordy Lord.

[Dave Anthony]

He was elected to the state senate.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. That guy seems cool.

[Dave Anthony]

He was a lawyer. And he agreed to run for the Democrats on the condition that he did not have to campaign.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's awesome. That kicks ass. That's great.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jack keeps his barbecue promise. 300,000 attended.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's like Sometimes, like, jack in the box will be like, if the. If The Bucks get 100 points, everyone gets jack in the box. That's like, they do. And they're like, Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

Finn Anthony, two RBI, triple.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're gonna make a lot of money. 300,000.

[Dave Anthony]

300,000.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, that's crazy. There couldn't even have been 300,000 people in Oklahoma City at the time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, definitely people from out of town.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, they came from everywhere we did.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can I have a rib? Who won? All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Lengveld quote. On his inauguration day, so many people took part in the parade to the ceremony that the procession stretched on for 16 miles. I mean, just go home. What are you doing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, yeah, if you're at the end. If you're at the end, stop. What are you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, when you get there and you're like, there's no more meat. No, it's Thursday.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do y' all have left? Can I lick the grate, man? Would it be okay if I just banged the spatula onto a paper plate and lick the dust off? I've waited nine days. What an event. It's unbelievable. The Oklahoma State last guy to gang bang.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, why did you have to put it that way?

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's what I say. It's just like at the end. Go, leave. You don't wanna.

[Dave Anthony]

No, you get in there like, this is exactly how I like it. Nice and nice and warmed up and ready.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The guy at the end who's like, you can go ahead. You can go ahead, too.

[Dave Anthony]

After you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You also could step ahead.

[Dave Anthony]

After you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'd like to be last. I just. I don't like being timed.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm gonna take my sweet tie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Go ahead.

[Dave Anthony]

Boy, we really took that in a bad direction.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You started it.

[Dave Anthony]

Did I?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

The Oklahoma State Fairgrounds became the seat of a massive feast. A vast selection of food. Beef, chicken, turkey, deer, three bears.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Three bears, the podcast.

[Dave Anthony]

And 134 opossums.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, no, no, no. Possum. Oh, no. Why the.

[Dave Anthony]

The babies are so fucking tender. The meat just slips off the baby bone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, fuck. I don't care for it in a number of ways. Jesus Christ, man. The line for opossum is long, but worth it. I'll have a tail.

[Dave Anthony]

They were cooked on roasting pits that covered more than a mile. I mean, this is insane. The fire department brought out its fire engines to supply the water.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Did someone shit their pants? We all did. Has anyone here not shit their pants?

[Dave Anthony]

Me, sir.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Squeeze them, boys.

[Dave Anthony]

But I'm in the chest band And I have not eaten yet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

2, 2, 2, 2. This guy's all over the map. He's back.

[Dave Anthony]

So the fire department brought out its fire engines to supply the water needed to brew 8,000 gallons of coffee. I'm up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck is. You can't go around California and tell that anecdote anymore like that. You can't be like. You know, there was a time where the fire department showed up to make coffee with the hose.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jack wants to push his progressive agenda, but the legislature is more conservative and wouldn't agree to his key reforms. Like, he wanted to create a state bank. He wanted a state insurance system and a soldier's bonus. And the conservative guys, as usual, didn't want to pay the soldiers. He did get some progressive laws passed, like the expansion of a farm cooperative program, improvements to welfare and workman's compensation benefits, stronger laws for banking violation, a free textbook law and 1 million in school aid.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. Pretty good shit.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, you're clapping for ruining America.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And free possum.

[Dave Anthony]

Free possum. And the baby ones slip off the bed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stop talking.

[Dave Anthony]

You just gotta stop it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nope, nope, we're good.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Only one direction you can do that from, weirdo.

[Dave Anthony]

Exactly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I pull up in my cop car. That I don't deserve.

[Dave Anthony]

The old penis.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Drop the possum, sir. Walk away from it.

[Dave Anthony]

Hold on. There you go, sir.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold. Possum.

[Dave Anthony]

He also declared that no prisoner would be executed on his watch. But he knew, which I know a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Lot about from my first job.

[Dave Anthony]

But he knew he should try to curry favor with conservative members. Many were in the Klan. And so he met leaders and was designated as a Klansman at large.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, we can't like him now.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. No, it's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What does that mean? Does that mean he's on the run?

[Dave Anthony]

It's a double secret. Klansman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Klansman at large.

[Dave Anthony]

What they gave to public politicians who wanted a secret membership. It's a DL Klansman. What's up? I only hate the blacks in secret. Hey.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God, it's gutting. Now I'm gutted.

[Dave Anthony]

Jack kept appointing friends and supporters to key roles. He replaced the president of Oklahoma A and M College with the head of the Farmers and Laborers League.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Does he stop crawling back? No, we don't clap for him anymore, sir. We're done clapping for him. Did you fucking hear his undercover clan?

[Dave Anthony]

He's got a little hood.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's. Yeah. What the Fuck. I mean, it's like, there's no more good for me. Wait, this man is dead.

[Dave Anthony]

He had never got so the guy he appointed had never gone to college and he had to be escorted off campus by the National Guard after students and staff protested.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm picturing the National Guard on college campuses and, like, having a laugh. I'm having a giggle.

[Dave Anthony]

The Farmer and Laborers League then demanded more for farmers. So Jack turned them. So Jack turns against them. He's like, I gave you the fucking president of the college. What else do you want?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I like how he's Tony Soprano now.

[Dave Anthony]

How fucking dare you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I gave you enough. You planted it all. What the fuck you want from me?

[Dave Anthony]

So now Jack's quote. He begins referring to league members as Reds and radicals. When he lunched with influential Oklahoma businessmen or made statements to the press.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Say that, yeah, he fucking. He did it. Yeah, he pissed in the pool.

[Dave Anthony]

Someone's a Fetterman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he hotter.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, well, hot Fetterman. How hard is that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stop.

[Dave Anthony]

Like a potato is hotter than Fetterman. He bought a large mansion in Oklahoma City with the help of a wealthy oil magnate.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Here we go.

[Dave Anthony]

Ernest Marlin. He bought a second home, the Muskogee.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Muskey.

[Dave Anthony]

Muskegee.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Muskogee.

[Dave Anthony]

You got two E's there. Is it a. No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Listen to this. Listen to Sam Fran telling us what two E's does where he's from. But I thought that it had two E, so I thought. Yeah, okay, okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So sorry. Must go. Go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why don't you Must go? Go home to San Francisco where it's falling apart. You little liberal.

[Dave Anthony]

Take care of your own goddamn Circle K. We are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We like it creepy and haunted. You know, if you spend one night in a Circle K, it's yours. So says the will of the. If you go into a Circle K, you just rip off the employee's mask. It's normally the old man who ran the amusement park.

[Dave Anthony]

God damn you kids. He asked the state legislature to pay for a pay raise from $5,000 to $200,000.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fuck me now. All right, let me ask you this, all right? Did you pop the clan information in there right before the heel turn, or is that really the Chronade? Like that really is how the events played out?

[Dave Anthony]

No, he really got it. He seems like a really second.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He got clan.

[Dave Anthony]

He's like a lefty guy. And then he got it all.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Got all clanny. And then he was like, I need to have 200.

[Dave Anthony]

I also think it was when the lefties started pushing back and going, no, we want more. And then he was like, you. I'm. Now I'm a Klansman. It's like a Jimmy Dore thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That guy's alive now, I guess. Oh yeah, hold on. Not my boyfriend now. I like the show. Fuck him.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's asking for a 40. A raise of 40 times the salary as you do. So it'd be the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, in this day and age, that sounds like nothing. Yeah, well, like the Delta CEO, it's.

[Dave Anthony]

The equivalent of 3.75 million today for governor. I mean, it's a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They probably. I would imagine Scott Walker walked with something like. Yeah, he was probably like Foxconn. He's like, this is great.

[Dave Anthony]

You and your Foxconn. Let it go, man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm sorry. It's very upsetting. It ruined my state. Well, it was very.

[Dave Anthony]

Your state would have ruined itself.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just can't believe they snuck con into the con. It was like so obvious what they were doing. They were like, uh huh. We're opening a bullshit factory and you're all gonna have jobs. You're gonna be so tired of winning.

[Dave Anthony]

So all this stuff kind of hurt Jack's everyman image.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I wonder why.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know. And they talk of impeachment begins.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It'd be great when he fires the jazz band. Are we coming with you, Mr. Governor? Look, you've been fucking horrible the whole. You guys, seriously, how long could someone be 12. Get out of here. We put everything behind you. Shut up. Get out of here.

[Dave Anthony]

2, 3, 7, 9.

[Gareth Reynolds]

91, 205. Never meet your heroes.

[Dave Anthony]

So. So people in the state talk. Start talking about impeachment. And critics are saying he misused public funds and his pardon power. Now after the world, after World War I, the Klan was more powerful, especially in Oklahoma, where membership was between 90 to 200,000.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How do you. Was that a census?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, you can't. It's like, you can't go like. Are you in the Klan?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. White? No. Fuck. Are you? What clan? The cool guy clan.

[Dave Anthony]

Pink Hat clan of racists.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice try, dickhole.

[Dave Anthony]

It was estimated one in every 20 residents was in the Klan.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's fucking crazy. That's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

David Mark Chalmers, author of Hooded Americanism, the history of the Ku Klux Klan, says the Oklahoma Klan was, quote, less concerned with crime than personal behavior.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they were like morality police.

[Dave Anthony]

Most victims were white Protestants, which.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stop, Dave, stop. It's a slippery slope. We just saw him go through it. Stop.

[Dave Anthony]

I can hear it. Some arguments. Most victims are white Protestants. Including young men and women caught riding in cars together.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ. Ill received mouth moves or whatever.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's like. It's like the fingering cops are out there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Y' all been fingering tonight? What are y' all. Anyone had a digit in them tonight? What's going on here?

[Dave Anthony]

Bring that over here, son. I'll smell it. I mean, someone was gonna do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Put your finger in this tube, son.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. They bring a dog over, smell that. And have them smell that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, we're having to search the car. Dog smells something on you.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

We'll have to take you downtown and put you in a lineup. Someone might finger you there.

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Ball busters.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So the KKK promoted themselves as moral guardians of. Of a society and defender of traditional values more than race warriors.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, for. Well.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, Klansmen typically kidnapped a person, took them to a remote location and whipped them. The clan while so. Tar and feather. Mutilated, assault and sometimes murder. Those subjected to these abuses were rarely reported. They were either afraid of reprisals or certain that local officials were themselves part of the KKK or killed. Well, you wouldn't want to go to an official because they might be part of the kkk. So when a case did go to court, juries usually acquitted anyone charged because.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They were also afraid or they're in.

[Dave Anthony]

The clan or they're in the Klan. Like, if you don't know. If you don't know who's in the Klan, then. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. It's cool. It's cool.

[Dave Anthony]

It's great. In 1922 alone, the Klan were said to have.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold on a second. Our phone's ringing. Is that your phone? Can we answer it? Oh, it's your alarm. What's your alarm?

[Dave Anthony]

What's the alarm for?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, are you leaving? Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

You're gonna work nights. You understand? Understand what I'm saying?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You'll be working night, sir. Shut up. Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

So they're. The violence of the clan was actually really unpopular, if you can believe that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Weird.

[Dave Anthony]

But they're very powerful. And many. Many thought they did good or represented their values. Because that's the whole morality thing. Right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

And they're not out publicly. Quote, considerable numbers of Oklahoma government officials during the 1920s were either Klan members or apologists like you. So you're an apologist.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Fucking crazy. Wrong.

[Dave Anthony]

Jack had a mixed relationship with the Klan. Yeah. You know we got some buddies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We have a will they, won't they?

[Dave Anthony]

As mayor, he spurned them and angered them during the meatpacking strike. But he courted them during the election. And as governor, he was pretty soft on them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It definitely sounds like the playbook.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he appointed them. He appointed a Klansman to the head of the Department of Health.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fuck. What is this, Rabo Flavin?

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

The only way to beat measles is with more measles. You want out measles, you gotta out measle them. They're called measles cause they're weak. They're measly.

[Dave Anthony]

But with the pressure being piled on, Jack felt he should take drastic action to win people back. So in May 1922, great day for Oklahoma. Riot breaks out in Tulsa. All right. Sorry, were you talking about the thousands killed? So it starts innocuously with a guy in an elevator. Black guy. And a woman says she grabbed him. And then says he grabbed her. She says he grabbed her. Yeah. And then. And then they're like, let's burn down Tulsa. I think the neighborhood is Greenwood. Yes, Greenwood. So a lot of people fucking get killed. I mean, it's like. It's a crazy. It's a legit crazy fucking. One of the darkest things in America. That's why we're not gonna cover it that much.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I get that.

[Dave Anthony]

So rioters limited. And they burned an area known as black Wall Street. Mostly middle class black people. Initially, they're like 36 people died, but now it's like. No, it's like hundreds. So people in Oklahoma are shocked. Like, not everybody's down with this, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And so Jack sees a political opportunity. Langveld, quote. Shortly after the riot, the Klan completed its Clavern, which was an enormous assembly hall capable of holding up to 3,000 people. And it was nicknamed Be no Hall by locals. They joked that members wishing to join had to be no Jew, be no Catholic, be no immigrants, be no oo.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let me. Let me know when to tag back.

[Dave Anthony]

In.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way. 3,000.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a lot of cl.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good time for a fire.

[Dave Anthony]

All right. I know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Whoops. That's the problem with wearing the most flammable outfit possible. Dan's long hood's on fire.

[Dave Anthony]

In June 1923, people I don't know, say this one. Okmulgee. Okmulgee. Or Orc.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mulgo.

[Dave Anthony]

Okmulgee. Complained of mob violence and no police response.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, all the cop cars were gone. He gave them to everybody. The fuck were they supposed to do? There's a bunch of Elvis's going around town.

[Dave Anthony]

Finn got hit by a pitch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That mut. We gotta go. Have a good night.

[Dave Anthony]

He got an rbi, though, so it's fine. Hopefully it wasn't his face or whatever. Toughen him up. So cops aren't doing anything. So Jack declares martial law and he sends foreign national guard for three days. Which is kind of a. That's kind of how you would respond after the Tulsa fucking night.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Right, Right.

[Dave Anthony]

But he never mentions the Klan, but he says it's. It's pretty clear that they're the mob that he's talking about. So this gets praised, but critics weren't happy, including McBee, who is looking into impeaching him for doing this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So we. How do we. What's McBee's deal? We've lost the thread on McBee.

[Dave Anthony]

I.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are we pro or anti McBee?

[Dave Anthony]

I think we're pro McBee.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. That's what it feels like.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So the petition for impeachment was getting a lot of signatures, and people are turning against Jack. And in August, a Jewish guy who runs a boarding house gets attacked by four men after cops question him because they were. He was suspected of selling drugs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And this happened just blocks from a test. Tulsa police station. So people are wondering if like, he.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's some sort poor location for. Your occupation is not a crime.

[Dave Anthony]

I agree. So the victims. Sorry. Jack said he'd declare martial law if the cops don't start making arrests there also.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

For that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So the victims visited Jack's secretary. And. And he. The guy. The Jewish guy show. He's like, look at all these injuries. And he shows the bruises and stuff. And then Jack declares martial law. So he's like, look at this one under my. That one. They kicked me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. And he's like, that's it.

[Dave Anthony]

Send him out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then the riot. Okay. Interesting standards.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Quote, the residents of the city of Tulsa were particularly incensed by Walton's order.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fuck me.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, you just burned down the black part of town. How dare you. Martial law might be appropriate for a backwater region like Oak Mulch, they argued. But not for Tulsa. We ain't no Oakmulgians. How dare you? I mean, all we did was just burn them. So then a black guy is suspected of stealing a car and he gets kidnapped. And then Jack declares. Absolutely. Salute. Martial law.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's going. Did he just find out about it? Like two weeks. Was he. Wait, what Is it martial law? Yes. He's like, martial law. I'm gonna go to the grocery, actually, just martial law and see if they'll grab me some stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, I think, you know, after the Tulsa thing, I think when the Tulsa thing was happening, everyone was like, what the. He was like, I think everyone's okay with this. And then he realized, like, no, everyone's not okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So now he's just using it, Right? He's trying to. Yeah. Thou doth protest martial law too much.

[Dave Anthony]

The National Guards Authority now supersedes local officials.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

He suspends habeas corpus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, good.

[Dave Anthony]

Which is against the state constitution.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right? Well, every concert. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. It's also against the US Constitution.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, used to be. I mean, back then it was. No, not anymore.

[Dave Anthony]

But it's for free.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, absolutely. Oh, my God. It's fun to be a falling empire.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it really is. So Jack convenes an inquiry into clan violence and hundreds of people testify. Stories included a couple who said a masked man had taken them from their home and flogged them for brewing a strong alcoholic beverage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

They reported to police, but no one was arrested. Oh, sorry. This is. I got this guy wrong. So this is a black deputy, John Smithereen, and he was kidnapped. Quote, Smithereen said the mob accused him of registering black voters to cast their ballots against the city administration, as well as being ungentlemanly with conduct towards a white woman. After tying to a tree. They beat him and ordered him to leave the state. And they cut off an ear and made him eat it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fuck me, boy. That's just fucking Book of spell shit. Ages Magnus. That's crazy. Well, I also like that he now the idea that he's doing investigations into the clan after. Like, that's what they all fucking the politicians are such.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, so far he's flipped back and forth, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I know. But he's whatever is popular.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. That's what they do. Deal. It's like he's actually a very good politician, unfortunately.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So there's also Ellis Merriman, who said he was kidnapped by two men saying they were cops and they took him to a clan meeting. They also beat him and make him leave town. But then he comes back a month later and he gives the names of eight, the 18 men who attacked him to the county attorney, who does nothing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then what?

[Dave Anthony]

He gives it to the county attorney and the guy's like, ah, what are you gonna do? So his employer then threatens to fire him if he doesn't leave the matter alone. And his testimony leads to the arrest of the Grand Dragon.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Honestly, in any other context, what a dumb statement. It's so stupid. It's stupid on a level where we're like, nor, like, it's normal not to be like, ooh, they got the Grand Dragon. Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

What. What would you like us to call them?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Head Dip shit Grand Dragon.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he's pretty grand.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's a mythical. Yeah, and I'm head unicorn.

[Dave Anthony]

But the Grand Dragon had an Alibaba.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm the Cattywampus.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you done, goblin?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll think a more mythical beast soon.

[Dave Anthony]

Will you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I'm lead fairy godmother, and I tell you what.

[Dave Anthony]

So a godmother is now a mythical creature.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, motherfucker, you let Grand Dragon slide.

[Dave Anthony]

So the grand.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm James and the giant peach.

[Dave Anthony]

That would be amazing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello, I'm Willy Wonka, but I only like Watts Wadi Wonka. Welcome to our racist club. We are are losers.

[Dave Anthony]

But the Grand Dragon is an alibi. So he was not convicted.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dragon is an alibi. It's like a John Grisham book that the publisher was like, you could do better. You could keep plugging away, John. You're tired. You've written 800 books.

[Dave Anthony]

He boasted that Jack and his allies would, quote, never be able to break the power of the KKK in Oklahoma. Jack, quote, this is only one of hundreds of such crimes committed which the civil authorities of the state refused to cooperate. I asked the people of the civilized world in the presence of this testimony, if I was not justified in proclaiming martial law in the city of Tulsa.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Motherfucker. You hung out with him.

[Dave Anthony]

I know, but now he's not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I know, but it's. It's amazing to just fucking kick a drum of oil over and then, like, who spilled this and how can we fix it? And we're not leaving here till we find the motherfucker who did this.

[Dave Anthony]

Jack then suggested that people take violent action against the Klan.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, look, I'm not angry.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, I don't care if you burst right into them with a double barreled shot shotgun. I'll promise you. I'll promise you a pardon in advance. It's good. It's good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Pardon. I mean, it is good. It is good. It's truly.

[Dave Anthony]

Kill a Klansman, get a pardon.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Truly, truly.

[Dave Anthony]

Make me president.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just come into your office. I'm like, we lost rocket money. I do think it was that. I do think it was that. I really. I Think when we. In retrospect.

[Dave Anthony]

But here's the thing. Most people think he's overreacting and he's being heavy handed. Known Klan members mocked his martial law declaration saying 90% of guard members were clan anyway.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fuck. But this is. This is why you like, you cannot let this shit fester. I mean, this is why when you let this, you open the door to this shit, you can't put it back in forever because now they're in power. Now it's like, now they're like in the driver's seat. And now it is the thing where you've got to be like people who do speak up. You end up fucking getting jailed because there's no habeas corpus.

[Dave Anthony]

Right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cool.

[Dave Anthony]

I know you. Are you lecturing me or.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, get out of here. You brought your liberal van values.

[Dave Anthony]

So there was a petition calling for a vote to alter the state constitution to allow the legislature to convene an emergency session without the governor's permission.

[Gareth Reynolds]

In order to what? To offer protections against.

[Dave Anthony]

So to impeach him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

To impeach him over his saying that he could shoot Klansmen.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a wild, wild ride.

[Dave Anthony]

The petition got a lot of signatures. Jack had every single one checked for authenticity. To delay the process.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

A grand jury was held to investigate Governor Walton's actions. And on September 15, he panicked and ordered martial law across the state.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like literally a guy who just found out about citizens arrest. You don't serve breakfast past 10:30. Martial law.

[Dave Anthony]

So he calls it a quote, clan conspiracy. Oklahoma City was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Conspiracy was right there. Go ahead.

[Dave Anthony]

Oklahoma City was under absolute martial law. So the state house couldn't sit. Right. So they can't get. They can't get there and they have to sit and they. They need his permission to sit also to do the impeachment. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can we have it?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Please, we need it. We're not going to. Just give it to us, please.

[Dave Anthony]

Jack says he won't let them sit because 68 members are legisl. Are Klansmen. So he demands the W.R. sampson, the cyclops of Muscogee Musk Muscogee KKK, his secretary, the sheriff, police commissioner, plus three members of the county jury commission in Tulsa county stepped down. So people say he's overreacting. And then he orders the National Guardsmen to set up machine guns at the court. You want to see overreacting?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fucking dude. His last chapter is amazing.

[Dave Anthony]

And the Capitol building to prevent the grand jury.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We cannot let Trump know about this guy.

[Dave Anthony]

No, absolutely fucking not. No, no.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They call me Cyclops and I now have a gun on my head. So it's called I'm a cyber Trump is what I am. And my final form.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you guys have an anti drag law here that you can't. No. You guys haven't done that. Because I was saying someone could call the cops on him right now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, well, well, Liberal indeed. I'm gonna call the cops on you. Yeah. Defund them now. I need them. Hello, Cook.

[Dave Anthony]

So people say he's overreacting and he orders the National Guard to set up machine guns at the courthouse and capitol building to prevent the grand jury and legislature from convening. McBee is not deterred.

[Gareth Reynolds]

McBee's not anything.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote. On September 20th, McBee and 64 other legislators met on the 11th floor of the Skirvin Hotel in Oklahoma City.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll meet you at the Skirvin.

[Dave Anthony]

And issued a proclamation modeled after the Declaration of Independence. The writers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The nerve.

[Dave Anthony]

The writers accused Jack of, quote, repeated injuries, usurpations and blunders. Usurpations, establishing an absolute tyranny and absolute despotism over this commonwealth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are they just trying to outsmart him? He's like, well, yeah, I did. Or wait, what's usurpatism?

[Dave Anthony]

They argued due to the extreme circumstances, the legislature could convene without a call from the governor and would gather at noon on September 26th.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jack declared that a Klan meeting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This fucking dude. He's like Trump with tariffs. Yeah, he is. Everything's a Klan meeting or martial law. I look at that as a Klan meeting. What are you gonna do about it? Fucking martial law. Boom. It's over. Game over. Where's my waffles? They'll be right out, honey. Martial law. Fuck it. I don't even want them anymore. Put them in a doggy bag, you're cooked.

[Dave Anthony]

He also said McBee was a known leader of the Duncan clan, the donut people. Terrible racist, but what a great old fashioned.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, boy, bear claw.

[Dave Anthony]

He threatened to call on the National Guard to shoot and or arrest any legislators who turned up. And he called McBee an enemy of the state and the head of the invisible empire trying to bring down the government for the Klan.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. Dave, my feelings are so mixed. I'm so conflicted on him. He's. He's really. He's coming in so strong at the end with.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know if McBee is a Klan member or if he's just a guy who's like, what the fuck are you doing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. I'll be honest. I feel like he's a guy who's like, what the fuck are you doing? But I don't even care.

[Dave Anthony]

He does have a. He does have a statue.

[Gareth Reynolds]

McBee does. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

McBee does. It might be. Maybe it's a different.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I would imagine. Well, I guess I shouldn't put too much past this country, to be honest.

[Dave Anthony]

With you, but I'm not sure. Yeah, I mean, he could be a Klan member. I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think so.

[Dave Anthony]

McBee says he's willing to face arrest or even get shot to get rid of Jack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Done deal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Done, Jake.

[Dave Anthony]

Got it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Martial law. Throw him in water with weights, Marshall. I'm martial lawing you on September 20th. I'll show you who's going to usurpist each other.

[Dave Anthony]

You don't even know what that means.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're to despotism is what you are. Do you understand?

[Dave Anthony]

On September 26, 68 members of Congress tried to enter the statehouse, but guards turned them away. So they tried to meet again in the rotunda, but were kicked out at gunpoint.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're part of the clan.

[Dave Anthony]

Then they went back to their hotel, but found it was full of armed guards, Some in uniform, but many not in uniform.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. That's so Russia, that is. Hello, world. Please sleep tightly. Do you want to again? Where are the sheets? Some people had to borrow them. Take care. Sleep well. There's a wolf in bathroom. What was that? That is. Don't worry about him. We call him Kyklops. Kyklopes. He lives in closet where your iron and iron board are. Don't go in there either. I recommend you use the chamber at this spot. What was that? That I. That. That is a drip Torture for later. Which we won't need here. Put on TV. You have over one channel or under. Please. No more questions.

[Dave Anthony]

McBee tried to go back to his room with his wife and kid, but quote, Nine men with guns were stationed outside the door. Door.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nine. Nine is so excessive.

[Dave Anthony]

You're not going in your room, McBe.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No, like seven of you could have done something different and I would have known that.

[Dave Anthony]

He was told he could go into the room, but then couldn't come back out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I. I don't think I'll be going in, to be quite honest with you. Why go in?

[Dave Anthony]

This is the worst hotel I've ever been in. So he sends his wife and son downstairs and then told the soldier that he could come and go as he pleased and challenged the guards to Arrest him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I seriously thought you were gonna say a wrestling match. I was like, let's go.

[Dave Anthony]

Shirt off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God, look at my beat. He's up on the ropes. No, he isn't. No respect.

[Dave Anthony]

Then he contacted the head of the National Guard and found out these were not actually guardsmen but random guys from Chicago who Jack had hired to, quote, keep the peace.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is. What are you doing to me, Dave? What are you. Yeah, there's no way you're getting inside of that room, I'll tell you that much. Are you from here? Yeah, of course we are. We're all from. We're all Oklahoma. Yeah, yeah, we're all from here. What's the capital? Look, you can go inside the room or you can not go inside the room. I don't really. Drop the fucking attitude, Jack. We're about to declare martial law upon you specifically. You don't even know what martial law is, do you? Yeah, we do. Go fuck yourself. Hey, Don, flick a cigarette at this little dweeb. Fucking loser.

[Dave Anthony]

When the legislators got into the rooms, they found that they had been ransacked and bottles of whiskey were planted in an attempt to frame the them cuz a pro.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because it's prohibition. Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, they're hammered. You shouldn't enhance so much.

[Dave Anthony]

So next. Jack canceled the Oklahoma State Fair. Yeah, that is correct. Big mistake. Now you went too far.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You can enable the Klan, you can try to take the Klan out of the state. You can declare martial law over and over again. But for the love of God.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh my God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you're stopping me from having a novelty sized turkey leg and a deep fried Twinkie while getting sick on a tilted world, you can suck the state's dick, Jack.

[Dave Anthony]

I've been growing this pig for two years. She gonna be shown.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Your genuine reaction was phenomenal. Everyone was like, well, that's right down the middle of winter. Dare you.

[Dave Anthony]

So now a lot of people are calling for his impeachment. And on September 28, the petition was declared legal. And two days later, all 77 counties had agreed to have it on the ballot. And Jack said that all the counties and judges were all working for the Klan. And that the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This fucking dude has got a catchphrase.

[Dave Anthony]

And that the election wouldn't go ahead. Quote, there may be bloodshed, but there will be no election. America. But county officials held elections anyway and no blood was spilled. And that night Jack declared, quote, the fight of the invisible empire has just started. I am still governor of Oklahoma, gentlemen. That is all the Statement I have to make. He lost In a landslide, 209,000 to 70,000.

[Gareth Reynolds]

70,000 is a phenomenal turnout for that ending.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He must have been like, holy shit, that was close. What if I declare martial law, can I win?

[Dave Anthony]

Still, the election made national headlines lines.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, for sure. Imagine if it didn't.

[Dave Anthony]

McBee called the legislature for October 17th. An angry residents of Muskogee gave Jack a mock funeral with a parade and a 21 cap gun salute.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that. That was nice.

[Dave Anthony]

Before burying him in effigy in the Muskogee sewers. With a headstone. With a headstone that read, he proclaimed himself to death.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I only thought you could burn effigy. I didn't realize you could throw them, like, in the toilet. Toilet effigies would be a good website.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Flushable effigies.

[Dave Anthony]

Jack kept insisting it was a clan plot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bro, let it go.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not over.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let it go.

[Dave Anthony]

He and his supporters.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's just in his room, like, martial law. Jack, honey, come to bed. He's looking out the window. Martial law. That's what they'll. Then they'll come to me and they'll.

[Dave Anthony]

Go, jack, come on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, they'll go. No, they'll just come at me and they'll. Hold on, babe. I'll be right there. They'll look at me and I'll just go, martial law to you. And then they will be martial law.

[Dave Anthony]

Jack, I got.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And when they say Marshall.

[Dave Anthony]

Hold on, Jack, I got a new negligent.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I understand. Hold on. Hello? I'll be there in a minute. I'll declare martial. I will declare martial law on you in a second. But hold on. Before I do that, I don't like this fellow looking around our garbage. Might go out there and do a little martial law and. Oh, I'm not feeling good. There's something about that seafood. I think I got martial law.

[Dave Anthony]

Jack. My cookies. The clan.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Well, you know me. I'm either in or I'm out. There's no in between.

[Dave Anthony]

So he and his supporters came up with a plan to offer his resignation in exchange for passing of a strict anti Klan bill. The thinking was that he would appear to be sticking to his principles, and then he could run for the Senate. And then when he proposed this to Congress, a rep said, quote, who in the hell asked him to resign? Everyone's over him. They all wanted him gone. Yeah, they're just like, what? We're not making a deal, Marshallah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can I do it?

[Dave Anthony]

It. The legislature passed a resolution accusing Jack Walton of Quote, willful neglect of duty, corruption in office incompetency and offenses involved moral turpitude. A committee investigated and filed 22 charges against him. Sixteen on corruption and six on abuse of martial law. Abuse of martial law.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold on a minute. Really? Now, look. Now, look, I'll admit around the edges, I'm abuse my power a touch. But I always respected the martial law button. And you know that.

[Dave Anthony]

You ruined martial law.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know that I was always very.

[Dave Anthony]

It was gonna be so great. Martial law really could have been awesome. And you shit all over it, Jack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He just has a guy next to him like, this is Marshall Law. He's a man.

[Dave Anthony]

Willful neglect of duty. Oh, I already did that. The state Senate convened a court of impeachment on November 1st. And after 11 days, there was a very colorful testimony. There were two fist fights. And after 11 days, they found him guilty on 11 charges. He was governor for just 10 months.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know, Dave, at the end of this one, it takes a lot to shock me. But you've done it again, you bastard. 10 months. 10 months.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. What a run. It was the shortest serving governor in state's history.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? And nobody did more with martial law in his 10 months.

[Dave Anthony]

He was the first to be impeached. He got some anti Klan legislation passed, but it was pretty weak. Klan influence waned in the state after he somehow won the Democratic primary to run for the Senate in 1924. But during the campaign, said things like, quote, 95% of Protestant ministers in Oklahoma are Klansmen and lower than skunks, which.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll be serving if I win.

[Dave Anthony]

He also accused a resident of being, quote, one of this dirty clucks crowd who would steal the pennies off St. Peter's eyes and ravish the Virgin Mary.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, hey.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I mean, mean.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, Jack.

[Dave Anthony]

What's she into?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jack.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let's talk that shame. Jack, that last one was a bit.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I'm just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are you trying to say? I'm saying shorten it tight. Look, you know, we just got to think. That's fine. We just got to think. Think. It's short punches. Short and sweet. So try it. Try it again.

[Dave Anthony]

Bang the Virgin Mary.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, we're. We're good. We're all set. Have a good day.

[Dave Anthony]

You told me to shorten it. That's shorter than rabbit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

See you later. Take care.

[Dave Anthony]

Did I commit a crime?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Are the priests gonna come?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I take some weird stuff for him, too.

[Dave Anthony]

Jack denied he said it and offered to donate 500 to charity if something.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, okay.

[Dave Anthony]

The Daily Oklahoman collected 100 sworn affidavits from witnesses swearing he said it. We don't know if he ever paid, though.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, he didn't. Martial law.

[Dave Anthony]

In January 1931, Jack was indicted with 18 others for mail fraud related to the promotion of the defunct business Universal Oil and Gas. All were acquitted due to insufficient evidence. He ran for Senate again in 1936, but lost in the primaries. His last public office was serving on the Oklahoma Corporation Commission from 1933 to 1940. He died in November 25, 1944, at the age of 68. Fuck a fucking hero.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a run.

[Dave Anthony]

He died a hero. Oh, so sorry. Did someone take on the Klan?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a run.

[Dave Anthony]

Holy fuck. That's Oklahoma's most famous leftist.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a run. Wow, what a run. That is fucking crazy. That's overwhelming.

[Dave Anthony]

Sources. Brad Duran. Clanspiracy or Despotism? The Rise and Fall of Conspiracy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That guy took my thing.

[Dave Anthony]

Stop it, Jerk. Dirk Langville, the Jack C. Walton General Incompetence Versus Invisible Empire and Fascinating Politics. The Rise and Fall of Jackson Walton. He was a good un.

[Gareth Reynolds]

At times.

[Dave Anthony]

Sometimes he was good. And when he was bad, he was real bad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's fucking crazy that you can't trust a jazz guy. They're making it up as they go. All right, everybody, thank you. Appreciate you for coming out. Thank you guys. Hey, dollop fans. I know you love the dollop. You love listening to the dollop. Do you want to watch the dollop? You're like, gareth, what are you talking about? By the way, it's not Gary, it's Gareth. Well, we have partnered with Lakeside Animation and we are starting to animate some of our episodes. So if you want to go watch a five parter animation, which is actually like a 22 minute episode or 30 minute episode, I can't remember, of the rube. You can go to LakeSide Animation on YouTube and watch a really awesome animation of the rube. It. It really genuinely kicks ass and we're very proud of it. And the more you share it, the more you give it to people, the more you follow Lakeside, all that stuff, the better chance we have of making a lot more of them. We're already making a second one, so go there and watch the rube.