691 - Jimmy Swaggart - part one

Summary

Podcast Title: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Episode: 691 - Jimmy Swaggart - Part One
Release Date: July 8, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 691 of The Dollop, comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds delve into the tumultuous life and career of Jimmy Swaggart, a prominent American televangelist. This two-part series explores Swaggart's rise to fame, his personal and professional controversies, and his impact on the televangelism industry.

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Early Life and Beginnings of Ministry (00:00 - 12:19)

The story begins on March 15, 1935, with the birth of Jimmy Lee Swaggart in Faraday, Louisiana. Notably, his cousin, Jerry Lee Lewis—a future rock and roll legend—was born just seven months later in the same town. Dave humorously quips, “He was just born,” highlighting the incongruity of their divergent life paths (04:27).

Jimmy Swaggart grew up in a poor, musically inclined family. His father, Willie Leon Swaggart, juggled jobs as a fiddle player and a Pentecostal preacher. This duality in his father's professions laid the foundation for Jimmy's future endeavors in both music and ministry. Gareth remarks, “You got to work fiddle and Pentecostal,” underscoring the unique blend of talents in the Swaggart household (06:02).

By the age of eight, Jimmy claimed to have a divine revelation. He recounted, “The Lord said, don't go in there, but give me your heart,” referring to an experience in a movie theater line where he sensed God's presence (08:14). Despite this early spiritual awakening, Jimmy continued his pursuits in gospel music, recording albums and eventually establishing his own church, the Family Worship Center, in Baton Rouge (12:19).

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Rise to Televangelism and Early Success (12:20 - 20:46)

By the 1960s, Jimmy Swaggart's ministry was gaining momentum. He expanded his reach by acquiring a small AM radio station and, in 1971, began broadcasting on local TV stations in Baton Rouge. The onset of televangelism provided a new platform for Swaggart to disseminate his message, and by 1973, he had partnered with producers to syndicate his show nationally. By the 1980s, his broadcasts were airing on over 3,000 stations across the United States, cementing his status as a leading televangelist (20:46).

Gareth humorously reflects on the era, “It's alien to us even,” highlighting how televangelism was a novel concept to many during its rise (21:07). Swaggart's success attracted wealthy donors, including Zoe McDonald Vance, a three-times widowed woman with a substantial estate. Upon her death in 1981, Vance left Swaggart a multi-million dollar California beach home, further fueling his ministry's growth (25:03).

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Controversies and Scandals (20:47 - 58:55)

Swaggart's career was not without its share of controversies. In 1984, a 19-year-old teenager named Donnie died by suicide, and his parents blamed heavy metal musician Ozzy Osbourne's song "Suicide Solution," alleging it sent hidden messages promoting self-harm. This led to a high-profile lawsuit against Osbourne, which was ultimately dismissed in court (27:01 - 28:55).

Simultaneously, Swaggart faced challenges within the televangelism community. His rival, Jim Baker of the PTL (Parents Television License) Club, became embroiled in his own scandal involving multiple affairs and financial fraud. In 1986, revelations surfaced that Jim Baker had engaged in illicit relationships, leading to his indictment on numerous counts of mail and wire fraud (34:09 - 55:34). Gareth emphasizes the depravity of the situation, stating, “It’s grooming, trafficking, assault. Like, just straight up, like, it’s textbook” (50:14).

These scandals provided Swaggart with ample material to position himself as a moral crusader against perceived degeneracy in American society. He leveraged these controversies to expand his influence, attracting a larger audience who viewed him as a beacon of righteousness amidst widespread corruption (57:35 - 58:55).

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Legal Battles and Media Scrutiny (58:56 - 67:44)

The media frenzy intensified as Swaggart continued his crusade against rock music and related media. He accused publications like Hit Parader of promoting "rock porn," linking them to various social ills such as drug abuse and homosexuality. In response to his campaigns, major retailers like Walmart and Kmart removed 32 magazines, including Hit Parader and Tiger Beat, from their shelves (70:08 - 71:21).

Swaggart's aggressive stance garnered both support and backlash. While his followers saw him as a defender of Christian values, critics argued that his actions were self-serving, aimed at consolidating his influence and expanding his ministry's reach. Dave muses, “What do you expect? I mean, we are a disgusting, nothing culture whose purely motivated by spotlight and greed” (51:03 - 51:10), highlighting the complexities of his motivations.

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Conclusion of Part One (67:45 - 74:16)

By the late 1980s, Swaggart had amassed substantial wealth, reportedly generating $100 million and employing over 1,500 staff members. His influence extended beyond religion into education and media, with the establishment of a college and extensive philanthropic endeavors. Despite his success, legal challenges persisted, but Swaggart adeptly used them to further his narrative of battling societal decay (73:38 - 74:16).

Gareth concludes Part One with a reflection on Swaggart's enduring legacy and the intertwining of his moral rhetoric with personal gain. “Any attention is good for him,” Dave asserts, encapsulating the paradox of Swaggart's rise amid controversy (73:30 - 73:38).

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Notable Quotes

• Gareth Reynolds (04:27): “Oh, God, no. Right. This isn't about Jerry Lee Lewis, obviously.”

• Dave Anthony (06:02): “You got to work fiddle and Pentecostal.”

• Gareth Reynolds (08:14): “It's a pretty common childhood moment.”

• Dave Anthony (20:46): “Televangelism was on the rise and Jimmy leaned into TV.”

• Gareth Reynolds (50:14): “It's grooming, trafficking, assault. Like, just straight up, like, it's textbook.”

• Dave Anthony (73:38): “Any attention is good for him.”

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Insights and Analysis

Jimmy Swaggart's story is a compelling study of charisma, exploitation, and the complexities of religious influence in American culture. Swaggart adeptly navigated the burgeoning televangelism industry, leveraging media to amplify his message while simultaneously capitalizing on the scandals surrounding his peers to strengthen his position. His ability to intertwine personal failures of others with his rhetoric of moral superiority underscores the manipulative aspects of his ministry.

Moreover, the episode sheds light on the broader societal tensions between conservative religious values and the permissive attitudes of the 1980s, particularly regarding music and media. Swaggart's relentless campaigns against rock music not only targeted perceived moral decay but also served to unify his followers against a common enemy, thereby consolidating his influence and expanding his reach.

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Conclusion

Part One of Episode 691 provides an in-depth look into Jimmy Swaggart's ascent within the televangelism sphere, highlighting his strategic maneuvers amidst personal and professional scandals. The narrative sets the stage for further exploration in Part Two, where the repercussions of his actions and the eventual decline of his ministry will be examined.

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Note: This summary excludes sections pertaining to advertisements, sponsorships, and non-content discussions to maintain focus on the core story of Jimmy Swaggart.

Transcript

[Dave Anthony]

Who's Preston?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The editor.

[Dave Anthony]

That's not true.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're on a thread with him.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't think that's true.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He sends a lot of gifts. Proof you know who he is.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I don't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You like him.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't even know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's one of the few people you like.

[Dave Anthony]

What if I liked him? What? I wouldn't. I know who he is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

At this point, I don't even know. I don't even know what to say anymore.

[Dave Anthony]

You're listening to the Dollop, All Things Comedy Network. This is an American history podcast. Or each week, I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to my failure, Reynolds.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh. Ow. Who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Well, should I move my camera over a little bit more?

[Dave Anthony]

What? You're.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're my solo.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we'll turn your chair a little bit. You can just turn into it maybe.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, you're right. No. There you are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That. But I like looking at you. Should I just.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, if you like looking at me, then yeah. Maybe change it. So this week, somehow I switched the files on the baseball fight episode to a Pastimes one, and that's been fixed. So if you downloaded the last episode, the baseball fight, and it was a Pastimes episode, that has been rectified. Don't know what I did. I shouldn't do it late at night.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When I'm tired and drunk.

[Dave Anthony]

You like drunk by 11pm I'm. I'm six bottles last time. Six bottles of gin.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Last time you got drunk drunk?

[Dave Anthony]

Like, drunk drunk? Oh, boy, that's a tough one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tour.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, probably last time I was on tour somewhere with you. I don't really get drunk.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Drink?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, Like, I mean, on 4th of July to celebrate our great nation, I had like three beers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. I really. When I was like, at home that night not watching fireworks, we both talked about how stupid we now think fireworks are.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

For so many. Like, they've been dumb. There's certain things that all of a sudden you're like, wait, what?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, because when I was growing up, every town didn't do them, and now every town does them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I also think it used like, there. There was like, you know, it was like you had access to them less in general. They weren't like, they go off after. In Universal's CityWalk, they go off four or five times a day like you used to be. It used to be a rare.

[Dave Anthony]

Should we be doing this on the chop?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Probably go to our patreon. Patreon.com. the dollop. Go see us on tour.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, go see us on tour. You can go to the dollop dollop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Podcast.Com and look at the tour dates.

[Dave Anthony]

We're doing a bunch of Midwest dates in October.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Which. Which runs before this. Anyway. All the dates.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, right. Well, go see us. Go$podcast.com.

[Dave Anthony]

I think that's it. No other news.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Join our Patreon. Yeah, I don't know. I think that's it. We're the bad boys. We've been the bad boys for a while. We love it when people throw dolls on stage. You're the doll heads. We love that. I think that's everything.

[Dave Anthony]

People got mad because I told people to wear masks at what they were. Like, some places you can't do that. Okay, well, nowhere you can't do that. Also, when I'm talking about you're in your car and an ice is filling you, that's not actually a protest. You're in your car, so you can put on a mask in your car. My video was about being in your car and ice filming your face. So you're not in a protest if you're in your car.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I like this relationship. The commenters.

[Dave Anthony]

You just read all these people and it's like, man, you're hitting fascism. Just become ungovernable. That's it. Your laws. It's all off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can I wear a clown outfit?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we were hoping you would.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think it's time.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The pedals are hard with the shoes. May I wear flip flops?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And I could just do clown. The rest.

[Dave Anthony]

I would paint the flip flops red.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, the flip flops. Are you saying paint my exposed feet red, too?

[Dave Anthony]

No, you can. No, that's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

May I. May I paint my exposed feet?

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. All right. Now I'm ready to start.

[Dave Anthony]

So this is an episode that we did during the online times, and since this fellow just died, we're redoing it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, if you like redo episodes. Patreon.com we do redos.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, this was just. This was just for online people. It was never released publicly. March 15, 1935. Year of our Lord J Town. Jimmy Lee Swaggart was born in Faraday, Louisiana. Seven months later, his cousin Jerry Lee Lewis was born in the same town.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God, no. Right. This isn't about Jerry Lee Lewis, obviously. No, he just makes an appearance now. At that point. Was he trying to date his baby cousin?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he was just born.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know.

[Dave Anthony]

So you think right away he Was trying to date. Well, his baby cousin would have been born yet, so he. His baby. Baby cousin wouldn't have been born yet. He was just born. He's a baby.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't.

[Dave Anthony]

He goes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A layer of tissue is not going to stop my Jerry.

[Dave Anthony]

He goes younger, so he. By your theory, he would be trying to date a sperm and an egg.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now you got me. You didn't have me before, but now you got me.

[Dave Anthony]

Jimmy Swigert's mother was Mini Bell.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Can we agree that's a terrible name?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, it's a great name.

[Dave Anthony]

They had another cousin, Mickey Gilly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now that's a bad name.

[Dave Anthony]

The Lewis Swaggered Gilly clan was very poor. And Jimmy's father was a fiddle player and a Pentecostal preacher. Willie Leon.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a. What a job split. Well, you gotta work fiddle and Pentecostal.

[Dave Anthony]

You gotta make money at night.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. That's some which way he's fiddling at night.

[Dave Anthony]

Put down the snake, pick up the fiddle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, there you go.

[Dave Anthony]

How to do it Angry.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't get them mixed up now.

[Dave Anthony]

No, you get them mixed up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're looking for. Yeah, it's gonna be a bit bad.

[Dave Anthony]

They lived in a part of town with. Had a bad land for growing crops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Imagine so. They're barely able to grow enough food to get by. A lot of people in the family played music.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Musical family, much like the Jacksons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't need you to cite other families that were. I. I understand the concept, so I don't need to.

[Dave Anthony]

Husbands.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. The Kelly family almonds, very good. They were nuts, though. I'm sorry, that was. Cut it.

[Dave Anthony]

They. Sorry, I said that. Very religious. Very, very religious family. When Jerry's family got piano, the three cousins would gather and play it together.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think there's something to be said for the ultra rich. Embrace religion and the uber poor will embrace religion. Other people obviously go towards it, but it's ways of fathoming the oddity of your life, don't you think? I always think that with athletes when, like, if a guy could throw a football, 70 yards, he's like, I believe in God. I mean, look what I'm doing.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, some do, some don't. There's a lot of guys that can throw a football and. Or hit a baseball and are like a lot. There's a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Lot that do.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, but there's a lot that. I really think there are a lot that don't. Also baseball.

[Gareth Reynolds]

At least they should have their own huddle before the game. But you can't believe in anything.

[Dave Anthony]

You can't really separate sports from religion because, you know, the middle. It's. It's. Sports are so popular in religious places. Texas. Yes, etc.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. What about that one season where Jon Kitna turned the whole Detroit Lions team Christian? And they're like, GM was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Come on. No. What are you talking about?

[Dave Anthony]

I love when. I love when there's a coach that basically makes the whole team be religious.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

It happens in college a lot. Like, by the way, we're all praying now. Okay, back to this nonsense. At 8, Jimmy had a revelation from God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

A lot of us do that. Eight or nine. It's a pretty common childhood moment. He's in line in a movie theater, and God told him not to go in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I thought he was gonna be like, don't go see sinners. Don't go see sinners. Go see Singing in the Rain.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, the Lord spoke to me. I know that sounds funny. It was not an audible voice or anything of that nature, but I sensed it and felt it in my heart. The Lord said, don't go in there, but give me your heart. I want to save your soul and set you apart as a chosen vessel used in my service.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just a guy behind him. You're up.

[Dave Anthony]

I always say this when I'm in line.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just said, sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

Jimmy ignored it, and he stayed in line.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he was killed by a lightning. No, that's it. That's the end of the story. When he put his quarter in the ticket machine, it jammed. What is that? What is that? It's the Lord.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's. It's certainly following the needle quote.

[Dave Anthony]

Then I heard the Lord again. I finally got my quarter and left that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He gave him the quarterback.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he must have. Or he got it back from the. An employee. So they had a ticket machine that you put a quarter into?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. These are different times.

[Dave Anthony]

Who knows what happened to the person you buy the ticket?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, this is before that whole system. This is when it was a quarter. It was like, easy. We're going back to that version.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a. I put your money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right. Just put your money in and eliminate the human.

[Dave Anthony]

So that's a bullshit story that he tells. As they got older, Mickey and Jerry turned to music. Jerry was expelled from his church for playing a rock version of My God Is Real. That I get.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That you get. That's interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

Keep your fucking rock out of my church.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Little creep. What are you gonna. See, here's the thing about you rock guys. You start out rocking and rolling, it's sex music. And next thing you know you're banging your.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Excuse me.

[Dave Anthony]

Stop talking your underage cousin.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Excuse me, that's very well, let's see.

[Dave Anthony]

If my idea of bringing rock into a church plays out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think you've. I think you've cheated the system because I think you've just, I think you've put out your evidence. Knowing the verdict.

[Dave Anthony]

All of the people who told him to get his rock music out of their church when he started banging his cousin were all like I told you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But he got it out of the church. So wouldn't that be a case for. Why he shouldn't he have not done that?

[Dave Anthony]

He shouldn't be doing the rock music.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let him play the rock of the church. I bet he done cousin fuck. How about that? Catch me outside.

[Dave Anthony]

Absolutely grotesque.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Catch me outside.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jimmy was more into preaching and at 17 he dropped out of high school and married Francis Anderson.

[Gareth Reynolds]

For Anderson.

[Dave Anthony]

For Anderson. She is 15.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, how old's he?

[Dave Anthony]

I mean he's 17, so it's two years. It's not that bad. That's, that's pretty.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, we're not. Again, we're not gonna. I'll tell you a position that ages poorly, you know, pro teenage marriage, but. Yeah, but as far as the egregious things we've heard on this show.

[Dave Anthony]

But look, 17 and 15 is a pretty common.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I, I think particularly in high school.

[Dave Anthony]

In high school now it's a common thing. Although they won't, they don't do that now. They do one one year off. @ least in my kids school, but. Which is crazy to me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But you can't go senior, freshman. That one did creep me out.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that creeps me out. Well, now that I, now that my kid's in high school, I'm like, oh yeah, no, freshmen shouldn't be in high school. They should be in middle school because a lot of them are still tiny.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I was.

[Dave Anthony]

But 15 and 17 girls are more mature.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So a 17 year old dude is almost like a 15 year old girl. Like brain wise.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So anyway, that's not that bad. We've seen a lot worse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Way worse.

[Dave Anthony]

And we're gonna see a lot worse in this story.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Rock and roll.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Jimmy later described her as, quote, not pregnant.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's nice to be sweet and say cool nice things. She's great. You love her. She's not pregnant.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, you'd love her.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's got so much good stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, what is she like?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God. She has long brown hair. She's not pregnant. Ah, she's not pregnant. Yeah, no, it's not from a lack of nothing.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, we shouldn't have said that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She has curly hair and it's kind of wavy.

[Dave Anthony]

Huh?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've gone in the butt. She is not pregnant, Jimmy.

[Dave Anthony]

I feel like we should.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nobody's had less of a fetus in her than. Than her. Nobody's had less of a fetus in them than her.

[Dave Anthony]

I gotta be honest, as. As your preacher, I did not expect the Lord said such revelations when I.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Asked you finish the job outside.

[Dave Anthony]

Question.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I spilleth my seed on the tummy pool.

[Dave Anthony]

I am both uncomfortable and excited. Ah, can you paint? I would like a picture.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I think I did. She's got brown hair. She's not at all pregnant. Yeah, that sounds. That does sound like a trump. Like a trump non sequitur.

[Dave Anthony]

That's. So in 1955, he gave. Gave his first sermon in front of a grocery store.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

It's just like the people are just outside yelling about God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. You have to wonder if God would be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? I was.

[Dave Anthony]

I actually don't want you bothering everybody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Annoying. That sounds fucking crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we're not. We're not as.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So what, you just got a huge plank of plywood and just painted it green and then wrote on it and then laminated it?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And now you're just carrying it eight feet above your head?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's an eyesore.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, but people get it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think they do. You're not helping the cause.

[Dave Anthony]

I think people get it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do me a favor.

[Dave Anthony]

You do me a favor?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Excuse me.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, sorry. You are not doing that.

[Dave Anthony]

Sorry.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Start fundraising a little bit. That's a way to do it. Oh, I don't like you just co opting a block.

[Dave Anthony]

God needs money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, no, no. Don't put it like that.

[Dave Anthony]

God needs money to help the infirmed for the abortion.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Exc. I knocked her out. Excuse me.

[Dave Anthony]

So, yeah. So in front of a grocery store, he played an accordion to draw crowds in, which always works. Always works. That's. Yeah, that's how you do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You've heard that before. Yeah, so. But that's accordion. To who?

[Dave Anthony]

They had a son, Donnie, in 1954. Jerry Lee became famous in 1957 with his first. His first big rock hit. Whole lot of shaking going on one. That means.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it does.

[Dave Anthony]

Cuz rock back then was all about, you know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Insinuative.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So Jimmy was singing gospel at this point, and Jerry Lee falls into drugs and alcohol. And Jimmy spoke out against Jerry Lee's wayward life.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

You know, his cousin, y. He's really.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's off the path.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he's way off the path. Quote, Jerry Lee can go to Sun Records in Memphis. I'm on my way to heaven with a God who supplies all my need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I mean, you got to pick. What do. What do you want? You know, do you want the party now or later?

[Dave Anthony]

No, you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. That's how I feel. Now's the party.

[Dave Anthony]

Absolutely.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Especially with the repent loophole.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Seriously, you can just wait till the last minute and then flip that switch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And just be like, hey, my bad.

[Dave Anthony]

Why would you. Why? That's. That's sort of a loophole that they leave open by allowing people to convert at the end.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Because my plan, it does set up a more bright, sinful world. Because there are some that believe you have to live a whole holy life, right? Yeah, there are some.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You might have to go to purgatory.

[Dave Anthony]

You go to Purgatory.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I wouldn't mind it. I mean, especially if. I know, like, after I'm taking the.

[Dave Anthony]

Elevator, I don't want to go to the place where the religious people are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You, buddy, whatever you're going to get, if. Then you get your own section. It's like smoking or none.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't think that is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's very much a smoking or none. It's very much a smoking or none.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. And you're sure?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure It's a smoking or non.

[Dave Anthony]

So by the 60s, Jimmy is preaching all over the Southeast, recording gospel albums and gets a radio show. Okay, so he is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's also on the radio.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, him and his. Him and his cousin are killing it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And he's doing it the pious way.

[Dave Anthony]

So at a show in Ohio, Jerry is so high on drugs that he can't play.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So Jerry is very off all of it. He's. It's not like he's just doing rock. He's shaking, he's pilling.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. I mean, that's. That's one way people respond to oppressive religion. You know, go the other way with it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Here we go.

[Dave Anthony]

That's how I do it. Straight to anal. So Jimmy carried him off stage. Quote, jerry Lee is my cousin, and I love him. And I think that, you know, I love him, and I've Come to take him home. I assume he thought he was going to save him at this point, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Like he was going to find Jesus and off they go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. He's just going to wake up like dehydrated.

[Dave Anthony]

I wish there were pictures of him carrying him. I want to see him carry a grown man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I like that. I like that for.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you think he did it like over the back or you think like a bride crossing the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I love a drag dragging him. I love an arm first drag.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Or a foot first drag.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, foot first drag.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But you got to think of the head. So I like an arm first.

[Dave Anthony]

What about a head drag?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Drag. That's wrestling. That's. That's different. That's a. That's different energy.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jerry Lee continued his life and then things completely fell apart for Jerry Lee when He married his 13 year old cousin. He's 22 now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We can be outraged.

[Dave Anthony]

That's not as bad as a 17. 15. 22 to 13. Well, she's a child.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's a child.

[Dave Anthony]

She's a child.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's a man and a child.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And a cousin.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know it's bad when you're not even paying attention to the cousin part.

[Dave Anthony]

But you know her so well. It's horrible because you've been around her a lot. Not cool as a child. And now she's barely on the cusp.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of adulthood, I'll tell you.

[Dave Anthony]

And you are ready because you're 22 and on drugs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I remember when my ex. I was at her family 13.

[Dave Anthony]

Why'd you bring her up?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I was at her family's place for the weekend and they put on her birth video, like to watch it with Joy. And I'll tell you, it threw me for a goddamn loop for a little while.

[Dave Anthony]

Nope, you don't, you don't. Did.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I was a baby dater.

[Dave Anthony]

Did we see the baby come out of the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, but we saw everything. But we saw like right after.

[Dave Anthony]

How old was she as at the time? At the time? Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, I don't know. We were, I don't know, 29. But I was like, it was just like through. I was like, ah, I'm dating that baby. Yeah. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. It's weird.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I was sitting there later like, I gotta go. I got some real stuff to think about. I'm a piece of date a baby.

[Dave Anthony]

You are a piece of David. So his career, basically, it's over.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is it really?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's over. Yeah. Which is surprising at that time, honestly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because he did Great balls of fire. A whole lot of shaking going on, you know.

[Dave Anthony]

And then, you know, he was a big, big rock. One of the biggest rock stars.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he was a big piano guy.

[Dave Anthony]

You would think that people like, yeah, 2213, but I guess not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do you mean? Like, yeah, pro.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, like you'll be fine with it at that time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What year? 50s.

[Dave Anthony]

60S.

[Gareth Reynolds]

60S, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jimmy's congregation is growing. He's becoming more famous. He put out albums, which you probably still have.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I have a bunch of them.

[Dave Anthony]

He now had a small church in Baton Rouge he called the Family Worship Center.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I remember it.

[Dave Anthony]

But he wants more.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of course he does.

[Dave Anthony]

He bought a small AM radio station. And in 1971 he began broadcasting on small TV stations in Baton Rouge. Yeah, so TV.

[Gareth Reynolds]

TV. Let's go big, Big Baton Rouge.

[Dave Anthony]

Televangelism was on the rise and Jimmy leaned into TV and in 1973 went into business with, with producers who syndicated a show across the United States. And by the 80s he was on over 3, 000 stations.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's so weird because I did grow up like I grew up obviously in this time of like watching it and always just being like, what the is good?

[Dave Anthony]

Like, yeah, it was alien to us even.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But even as someone who was not religious, I was like, this is crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I, I, yeah, to me it's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Always like, like having it on TV was crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, to me it's always, it's always like there's religion. Okay, fine. But then watching a guy on TV and giving him money to me is crazy. Like, yeah, now I'm just like, you're out of your tree.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, but watching like, like going like, I would be like, oh, okay. I like, I don't get going to it, but I'd be like, I understand you like it, it does not translate to. It'd be like watching Hacky Sack live.

[Dave Anthony]

Like that's like this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Go back to the story.

[Dave Anthony]

Go on for the hacky sacrament. So he's making a lot of money. He's famous. He now had high level donors. Zoe McDonald Vance was a very wealthy, three times widowed woman. And she had a multi million dollar California beach home. She wasn't really religious, but she started watching Jimmy in 1978. What are you talking about? You get sucked in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, this is good. Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

This guy's amazing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is why cable needed to happen.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just because.

[Dave Anthony]

Wow. I, yeah. And then he started doing. And then she started going to his crusades. So she gets drawn in. She's like, all right, I'm Gonna go see this guy live. It's like. It's like for you. Guns N Roses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, my brother went and saw Lamb of God play Ozzy's last show yesterday.

[Dave Anthony]

Looked pretty amazing on video.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He said. Like, he said that Lamb of God kicked ass. He said there were a few that just nailed it, but Lamb got one of them, by the way. By the time this comes out, Randy is. Is meeting my mother for tea, and he's surprising his girlfriend with the tea.

[Dave Anthony]

Sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So that's happening tomorrow. But during Guns N Roses, my brother was like. That's when I, like, walked out for five minutes. What is happening?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, the, the band is fine. Axel said it was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, Axel's unfort the. The band now.

[Dave Anthony]

So it's like, oh, the other guys weren't there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know who else they were there.

[Dave Anthony]

Axel's not the band.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he was for ages.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But for like, 30 years, he's like Emery tooling. And then he'd come out every now and then, and people be like, yeah, are those worms on your head?

[Dave Anthony]

He made them all sign.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Giving away the name of the band or else he'd start a riot. So they did, but then they've been touring together as a band for.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, have they?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah. For like, eight years. Yeah. I didn't know they have. They, they are separate. So they have separate entrances and they go into separate green rooms. And then.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So weird.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We need this in the contract.

[Dave Anthony]

I would love that. In the contract, he gets to play a certain amount of Chinese democracy songs. And it's hilarious because if you're at a show, as soon as he starts singing his Chinese democracy song, every phone comes out in the entire.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

I bet no one pays attention.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I bet.

[Dave Anthony]

But Duff, when he plays. Duff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Duff. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

When he plays a punk song, everybody's into it. Interesting that they don't even know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they all get to play a little.

[Dave Anthony]

But no one's into Axel's bullshit anyway. So she starts going to his crusades, and Jimmy goes to her home and he baptized her in the ocean like I did with you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And he said, you held me down for so long.

[Dave Anthony]

Seven minutes. Seven minutes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And I just always remember everything I've seen. It's a quick dunk.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. But it can be. You get more God for the longer you're under.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know, but I, I, I really.

[Dave Anthony]

Lost two people I want, you know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Part of my brain stopped working.

[Dave Anthony]

Two people I wanted to baptize parts of new history.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Before that, I Was big into. I knew a ton of history. You helped me under seven minutes. I thought Ben Franklin was a president.

[Dave Anthony]

I. I really wanted to. I. You. I wanted to baptize, but I also really, really wanted to baptized Russell Brand. That's like a 10 minute baptism for me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that. That one I actually understand.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of crocky. You've held me under for a long time, haven't you?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. You're good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's a vile.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't even know what's happening there. It sounds.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just like him.

[Dave Anthony]

You didn't nail that one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It must be nice to just sit there and just be Simon Cowell at it is. Well, you say spicy me ball.

[Dave Anthony]

Spicy me. But nobody asked for it. Her sister sued. Oh, sorry. She died in 1981. Did I leave that part out?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And then she leaves. She leaves Jimmy a ton of money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice.

[Dave Anthony]

So her sister sues and as the state was supposed to all go to kidney disease research. So Vance's only son died of kidney disease. 16. So that's why she. She was like originally. Like originally supposed to. Yeah. So the court battle went on for two years and then they finally settled and Jimmy got 70%.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Pretty good. I mean, those were her wishes. Those are her wishes.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Those are her wishes.

[Dave Anthony]

The rest went to the kidney foundation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's nice. They got something.

[Dave Anthony]

And so Jimmy now got family oil land in Texas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, I didn't realize it was oil land.

[Dave Anthony]

And he was now making a hundred thousand dollars a month from oil.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh me.

[Dave Anthony]

American story right here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

He only had to use the money for children's ministries. I think that was a stipulation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He had to use it for child ministries. I like how that's like, better to like. And I want to be very discerning.

[Dave Anthony]

Brainwashed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It can only be for the very young.

[Dave Anthony]

Brainwash. The young.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The very young must be indoctrinated into this.

[Dave Anthony]

What a crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I hate. I hate to be sorry. Jimmy, you've got a flock. But this is for babies. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Why I really want you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is for the babies.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's get you crazy in a little, little kid's mind.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, let's, let's. Excuse me. Excuse me. I want to be careful. After talking to my family and my counsel. This is for toddlers. This is a toddler church.

[Dave Anthony]

On October 26, 1984, a 19 year old teenager who suffered from depression was drunk and shot himself in Indio, California. His parents blamed Ozzy Osbourne and his song suicide solution. They said it had hidden messages if.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You'Re gonna go that route. Doesn't sound too hidden. You can just go the director. Like, I mean, the song title is if you're gonna make the case.

[Dave Anthony]

Not hidden at all.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you think. I feel like it was pretty overt. I was just trying to say up front, there's an impression for you. Now suck balls.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, now do Ozzy in 1984.

[Gareth Reynolds]

1994. 84. 84.

[Dave Anthony]

No, he wasn't like that in 84.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I was a lot more like this.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, now you just ruined the fun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You ruined the fun. You know what I heard? You know what I heard the other day was an Irish, like, preacher. But he had the cadence of that.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, you actually heard that or that was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I heard that.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he's just, like, destroyed the Lord. He's come and he's a maker ashore. Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

It's amazing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I was like, that'd be one I would stick my teeth into.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So the family sues Ozzy. And Ozzy's like, there's no hidden messages. It's a song about alcoholism and a musician friend who drank himself to death. So the court.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Has anyone ever been an Ozzy Osborne again?

[Dave Anthony]

So the court dismissed the case.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And Ozzy became a regular target of Jimmy, however. Okay, so the televangelist industry was very tight knit. Marvin Gorman was another international televangelist phenomena guy from Louisiana.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Full disclosure, I did tour with Gorman for a few years.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I kind of probably should just.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Maybe just step out for this part of the story.

[Dave Anthony]

You're that you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm a Gorman again.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And your album is called Gorman Again, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Gorman Again.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep, Gorman again. And again.

[Dave Anthony]

A minister nearby, David Savage, asked Rev. Gorman to counsel his wife Linda. Because, look, if you're having marital issues, the best guy to go to is another, like, con man to work with her.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

And so Gorman and Savage are friends. So he counsels Linda. And on December 28, 1978, she calls and she's in a hotel and she's thinking about committing suicide.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. She must have had Ozzy on.

[Dave Anthony]

So Gorman, Russia rushes over. The door is ajar.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just say, open. Stop it.

[Dave Anthony]

And no, it's actually a jar. Oh, yeah, that's strange. And Linda is on the bed in a bathrobe.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

And there's spill bottle pills. And Gorman sits beside her, you know, because this is. This is scary for what's. And then she. She pulls off her robe and they start kissing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, hold on. Gorman said he did not disrobe he did not disrobe. No, he did not. He did not take off his clothes. But he did pull his dog out. What the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And nobody needs your nipples.

[Dave Anthony]

This is how you do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is not how you do it.

[Dave Anthony]

And then they started having sex.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's all pilled out on the death story.

[Dave Anthony]

He got the. He got the Johnson out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. I remain clothed.

[Dave Anthony]

Except for the don.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The dong did drop out for a.

[Dave Anthony]

While, for a long, long time. But he lost his heart on midway because of the guilt.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

Let me tell you, that's the only part of the story that's not real. I lost my boner after it comes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, everything has to be done with that cadence. I do like that setup. But, yeah, I was a trying, and I couldn't finish. Okay. I dug as deep as I could. My bones were rubbing my zipper. Cause I kept my clothes on.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. There's no way he didn't. He fucking blew his load. And then he was like, oh, now it's not working anymore.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is so. That. That. I mean, obviously, that's rape.

[Dave Anthony]

No, because she. She. No, she's trying to seduce him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, she is. Yeah, clearly, you're being funny.

[Dave Anthony]

No, she. She took. She took the. They were sitting down together, and she took the robe off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, but I thought you said she was surrounded by pills.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, there were spilled pills on the table. But she. She may have been inebriated, but she also sat down next to him and took her robe off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She was conscious?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. I was picturing a different thing. I don't love it either way. To be honest. I'm not. If I walked into that situation, I don't think it would end with, well.

[Dave Anthony]

You need to go to church more.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know? You're so right.

[Dave Anthony]

This is what it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're so right.

[Dave Anthony]

It's what God wants.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're so right. I just. I keep. Yeah, there's this whole. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So he loses his boner, and then he begs for forgiveness, and then he leaves.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's upset because he's cheating on his wife or he's taking another man's wife.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, both, I think. So he asked God for forgiveness also.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And quote, you're good, dude. Under the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dude, you lost your boner halfway through.

[Dave Anthony]

Under the blood of Jesus, his sin was forgiven.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Quit crying, dude. You're all good. Hey, you're all good. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You lost your boner, dude. This is.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, listen, this is Jesus. First of all, I forgive you. And secondly. Hey, hey, hey, I want you to.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, I'll handle it.

[Dave Anthony]

I want you to take me through it real boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boy, take me slow, boy.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm gonna take my Jesus dick.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boy. Boy what? Boy out. Go to your.

[Dave Anthony]

Sorry.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Go to your planet. The Mormons were right. The Mormons were right.

[Dave Anthony]

Jesus, go to your planet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's it, boy. Go to your planet.

[Dave Anthony]

So he doesn't need to tell anyone because Jesus forgave him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right?

[Dave Anthony]

Right. So then you can keep it a secret. He kept counseling the savages. So he continues.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, definitely. Look, you.

[Dave Anthony]

He's already started the process, saved the marriage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So keep him in the fold.

[Dave Anthony]

And he keeps banging Linda.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, now that. Okay, I'm.

[Dave Anthony]

You don't want her to be. To be able to take in the message. You want her to be satisfied and happy and. And feeling good physically. Quote. During counseling sessions, he indicated to her that she had a sexual dysfunction and she needed to learn how to climax. And he would teach her that. So there you go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now that I've pulled. I've pulled that one before. That one I pulled. It's worked twice, but. Yeah, and then the best part is you don't make them come. Well, yeah, I know you're kind of. I guess. I don't know. It's totally a you thing.

[Dave Anthony]

If I can't do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If I can't do it, then nobody can. I don't know what to tell you.

[Dave Anthony]

She also had sex with her brother in law and the church music minister. So Linda likes to.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way.

[Dave Anthony]

So let her fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, if you're looking to cheat, go with the guy who plays with the organ all day.

[Dave Anthony]

But also just Linda, have a good time. Time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I agree.

[Dave Anthony]

She also had sex with her brother in law. I did that in the church music ministry.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do it again slower.

[Dave Anthony]

And a son, 9 and had a son, 9 months. Averaging sex with Gorman and her husband on the same day. So she doesn't know who the father is, but you'll find out as they grow up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I like that patient way. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, look at his lobes.

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

It really is. Me and my wife had one and my kid was like, I want one of these. And so we had to get him one. Yeah. Everybody sleeps on a Helix is like, yes, this is what a mattress should be. And also you can make love on it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's not. That's not exclusive to. Yeah, okay, sure. I mean, I just think the mattress is very comfortable. Miss the Mattress when I'm on the road, come back, sleep like a damn legend.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No. Dave is bloodless.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Okay. Super weird.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

It's time to sneeze on your mattress. So in 1986. In 1986, Linda is consumed with guilt because she's been everybody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, right, right. She. Everyone in the church.

[Dave Anthony]

She makes a confession to Reverend Michael Indest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's on the other side. Like, are you still looking?

[Dave Anthony]

What are we doing right now?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do you mind if I take my organ out during this?

[Dave Anthony]

Is this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm not gonna get naked, but do you mind if I play with it?

[Dave Anthony]

Are you hitting on me right now?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Well, I confess. This is a two way street. May I also confess?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've been masturbating during your confession.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So have I. Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

Because it was illegal to tape it in Louisiana. He gave the video to Jimmy. Did I mention that he. He taped no video.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He videoed the confession.

[Dave Anthony]

Wouldn't you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is an. What is the real world? That is an absolute nightmare.

[Dave Anthony]

So now Jimmy gets the video and he confronts Gorman and Gorman was like, holy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is very damning.

[Dave Anthony]

He confessed. Denied there were others. Jimmy and sat David Savage accused Gorman of having sex with another woman. Lynette, go. They said Gorman admitted it It. Now Jimmy pretended he wanted to help Gorman, but he really wanted to end his career. Which would open. Yeah, because then what? That's an audience that he can just pick up. Jimmy spread the word of the affairs. And he says that garment had hundreds of affairs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wow.

[Dave Anthony]

So he and Gorman left the church in July of 18 of 1986. He gets defrocked. A month later, he's ruined his height. Jimmy took him out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Garmin would start up a new tiny church in a tiny church in the north. It's finger puppets in a warehouse. So that's not that tiny. It's not terrible, but it's tiny in numbers, I think.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Compared to what he was doing.

[Dave Anthony]

It's always, you can't start a. A new church in a warehouse because it's gonna seem really empty at the start.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I mean, it's. Yeah, it's kind of a bringer.

[Dave Anthony]

You bring it. You have a drape halfway through. Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That I'll have. At the Irvine Improv Night.

[Dave Anthony]

Late, late show. Shave curtain. So now the big rival is Jim Baker.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice.

[Dave Anthony]

And he is. He was friends with Gorman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jim and Tammy Baker's PTO Club is broadcast across the U.S. pTO. PTL.

[Gareth Reynolds]

PTL. Okay. What does that stand for?

[Dave Anthony]

Parents and teachers are lit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought.

[Dave Anthony]

And they had a multimillion dollar empire. Their former chief, Chief of security. Qu. We had a cash office. And at times there was certainly more money in it than I could imagine. People would send us mink coats, diamond rings and deeds.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When you hear this sort of shit, you really. It all trump makes so much sense in a way. It's just kind of the evolution of this. Like, I'll do anything, I'll believe in anything to make sure that I'm gonna be okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And just believing in the worst people. Like, well, yeah, worst people. You.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You gotta wonder though, like, this is gonna sound like I host the PBS show, but is it. Are you. Is that your plan going into it, or are you formed when you see that level of success and money? Like, I wonder if you're going in there being like, I'm going to defraud people. Or I wonder if while you're doing your thing, you're going, oh, I should defraud people.

[Dave Anthony]

No, you're going into it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're going in.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. I think they know they're going to defraud people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So that, that's the. That's cool.

[Dave Anthony]

So they bought. The Bakers bought 2300 acres in South Carolina to build the water park, the Heritage, named Heritage usa.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

They're also preparing to break down on a hundred million dollar ministry center, the Crystal Palace. Me in 18. Sorry, I keep doing that. In 1987, their security chief was with Tammy when she began hallucinating and stripped.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She. She stripped?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She didn't take her makeup off, though.

[Dave Anthony]

No, that would take too long.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Take a fire hose.

[Dave Anthony]

So what do you. What do you think? She's on?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stripping is very strange.

[Dave Anthony]

Is that booze?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Could be booze.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, out of all of it, it feels. It's either booze or somewhere sort of hallucinogen.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, would you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But I would think it's 87.

[Dave Anthony]

So there could be. This could be ecstasy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Could be. I've never experienced that version of ecstasy, though. I've never.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, it was more impure back then.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I've had the impure one, I guess.

[Dave Anthony]

You were seven years old. I'm talking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, I was doing it. I. I dated Jerry Lewis. Yeah. I don't know. It's very strange. I don't know. I would say maybe booze.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I think so. Quote and I couldn't believe also, they're like, you know, they're repressed. They. Some of them just want to bang. And like, you know, there's a lot of that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's real stifling.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Quote and I couldn't believe I'm there by myself with this lady and she taken her clothes off. And Tammy didn't do that kind of stuff around me. We all knew she had some prescription drug problems.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go. So her pills and booze.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, pills and booze. Her drug problem hits the press. Okay, Tammy. Quote I just had no idea, Jim, that you couldn't mix over the counter drugs. I had no idea. So she took the hot. Take your clothes off drug, which is. I think they took it off. Like, it's not over the counter anymore. You got to buy it prescription.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

But, yeah, that was a big drug for a while.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I like that one.

[Dave Anthony]

Shortly after the story of Jessica Hahn broke.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, right.

[Dave Anthony]

Former church secretary. She said, Jim Baker, I mean, he raped her. Like, if you. If you read the story, he. Absolutely. Yeah, it was. It's. The story is so, like, it's textbook. Sex trafficking, assault.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, it's grooming into.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, it's grooming, trafficking, assault. Like, just straight up, like, it's textbook.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How old is she when that.

[Dave Anthony]

She's like, young. She's like 22 or something. She's pretty young. Baker says it's a consensual affair out of this. Han became a celebrity also. Let's just. Let's just not forget how gross our entire society is. She posed for Playboy. She's a freaking guest on Howard Stern. She's in music videos.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, no, it's. It's fucking horrifying, man. It's. It it really is. Now that we're, you know, approaching the kind of out in the open, coming out of America ending party. You are those seeds that we've talked about for so long. It's like, yeah, well, what do you expect? I mean, we are a disgusting nothing culture who's purely motivated by spotlight and greed.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Money. But even then when it was happening, I was just like, what the fuck? This is so weird. Gross.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, see, I. I think it took me a while to be like, wait, what?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I was 47.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I remember, Jimmy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I remember you were involved at all.

[Dave Anthony]

Jim and Tammy decided to step down and hand the PTL over to Jerry Falwell.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, me.

[Dave Anthony]

What he didn't know at the time was that PTL was deep in debt. And we're spending over 2 million a month.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Spending 2 million a month.

[Dave Anthony]

They're probably paying tons of people. They're probably. Everyone's living lavishly. They're building everywhere. Like, they're just. They're just like. The money will never stop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I mean, the beauty of the church is there's no tax.

[Dave Anthony]

But if you have. If you have a room. Yeah, there's no tax. And if you have a room full of fucking mink coats and cash and like, of course you're gonna.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah, you're the mob.

[Dave Anthony]

Falwell and the Bakers fall out over the debt. And Falwell accused Jim of being secretly gay, having several male relationships, and said Tammy gave him a long list of demands, including compensation to give Falwell full control of ptl. So Jerry gets in there, he's like, this is going to be sweet. And then he's like, oh, my God, what a nightmare. They're not even running their Conwell.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they did do one good thing, I guess so. Hurt Jerry Falwell.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. That's all that matters. So the government looks into the PTL finances. The Bakers. What the fuck? The government has. The Bakers have multiple homes, a private jet, two Rolls Royces, a Mercedes Benz, an air conditioned doghouse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jeez. The only purchase that makes sense.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, no, I'm actually on that one. I'm on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jim is indicted on eight counts of mail fraud, 15 counts of wire fraud and account of conspiracy. During the trial, the employee who collected data on PTL memberships, which were being oversold, fainted. That's one way to do it. What a great way to get out of question.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okie dokie.

[Dave Anthony]

You know what?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let's take a recess. That's really, I think that man is dead.

[Dave Anthony]

A trial sketch artist quote, when he fainted, a voice from the audience came up and said, oh, he's given his life to God. Jim Baker's. Shut up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shut up.

[Dave Anthony]

Jim Baker's attorney called Jim up. Jim, Jim. As if there's going to be a miracle and he can bring him back to life.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, like a doctor on the plane. Jim, Jim, Jim. Do you have anything you could do? Like, do you have a magic glove or something you could rub on him?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, God. They can't stop. They can't ever stop. They must have planned it. They planned it. They planned the whole thing. That guy. That guy pretended to faint, and then, like. And then Jim will come up and save him, and the jury will be like, oh, my God, look at Jim's magic.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sorry, I didn't mean to distract from the trial.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know if you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Anyway, you were saying I had a diamond cutlery. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I just had to save that man's life.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jim doesn't make it through the trial. He has a psychotic break. He hides under his lawyer's couch, saying the reporters outside were giant bugs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, if you're gonna fake it, they're bugs. They're giant bugs. Jim, Jim, Jim, the j. Oh, my God. Look at them. They're all big bugs. That's just Tammy, Jim. That's just Tammy.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, yeah, they're trying everything. They're trying all their.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That one. That is so. That's so close to. I'm buying it.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm buying it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The bugs. Oh, it's so crazy. Maybe this is real.

[Dave Anthony]

So you're like, oh, I think it's fake.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But then the bugs thing is so great that I'm like, maybe the bugs.

[Dave Anthony]

The bugs thing is pretty great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bugs is great.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, no. I can't go out there. All those reporters are bugs. Don't you understand? Where am I gonna go? They're bugs. Look at them. They made a. How? They're coming to get me. I can't go out there right now. They're all bugs.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. All right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're bugs.

[Dave Anthony]

People will buy that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, they want to take. They're coming out. Look at them with their beady little eyes and their teeth. Look at that one. They're coming at me. Oh, no.

[Dave Anthony]

He was committed to a psych ward until fit for trial.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I now know they were not bugs. After 30 days in a correctional facility, I have learned they were no longer.

[Dave Anthony]

Holy. Are they not. Not bugs?

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're not bugs. Eventually, that guy Might be a bug.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Eventually he goes on trial and he was found guilty on all counts and given 45 years in prison and a $500,000 fine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. Great about jail. Fine, Wise. At some point, it's not going to happen, but it'd be great to get our shit together. Fine. Wise. What's the matter?

[Dave Anthony]

Nothing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just.

[Dave Anthony]

Nothing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We should find people, like, if they have millions of dollars that they've invested, never do it. They're always like, it's a hundred dollars.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. It's never a fine that justifies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Never.

[Dave Anthony]

Never.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like, you've got to be bankrupting.

[Dave Anthony]

But 45 years in prison is great. But, you know, you've seen him on tv. He's on TV now, like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So how much. How much time do you think he actually served?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God. They're always disappointing. Six, five. Yeah. That's stupid. Jail taught me that they were indeed bugs.

[Dave Anthony]

While he was in prison, Tammy filed for divorce and quickly married the contractor who had built Heritage usa.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Who went to prison for bankruptcy fraud in the fallout of btl.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's got a real good. You might want to wait until the trial's over before you pick the replacement suitor.

[Dave Anthony]

Jimmy was one of the fiercest critics of Baker's fall from grace. Okay, so he just jumps on every single person.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

Every person that's slightly got any. You get any kind of crap, any biblical heat, you're gonna go in and say, I'm the good one, they're the bad one. Follow me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's Facebook and because he knows God.

[Dave Anthony]

Facebook, yes. But he knows all those people are so susceptible and they will just immediately jump.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're looking for another up, another flower to fertilize.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right. He called Baker, quote, a cancer on the body of Christ. That's really. It's going hard.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. You remember that. That sticks with you.

[Dave Anthony]

His Crystalia, by the way.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't. I just ate.

[Dave Anthony]

His new album is Cancer on the Body of Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's got him on the crucifix. Like we are one of the only shows that really is.

[Dave Anthony]

Goes after Delia.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

No, everyone should continue.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. I should point out that Kyle Anderson, who was on the past times, he made a Delia doc that's incredible on YouTube called the Crystalia Problem.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's really. Yeah, it's great. Fan. It might be worth a watch. Let's just say the only thing they came after him for was a music copyright.

[Dave Anthony]

With his big rivals gone, Jimmy Canal become the Top televangelist. Finally, Attorney General Ed Meese had released his famous porn report.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way. I mean, I love the porn. Have you been. Do you go to porn report?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They got great stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a really.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They got good stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Did you just see the thing I posted? My. My wife. So my wife likes to go on next door now just to read how crazy everybody is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She better. She better make sure you're logged out.

[Dave Anthony]

She sent me. So it's. It's so goddamn funny. Oh God, I have so many conversations here, people. Okay, so this woman in our neighborhood writes, good evening. What's a relaxing hobby you enjoy after work?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Work.

[Dave Anthony]

And some lady Janet writes crocheting, knitting, And Debbie writes Second Life.com, casey writes Gardening for me. And Edward writes pornhub. God bless you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now how does that work? Are you able. Do you have any idea who Edward is? No, it's fully anonymous.

[Dave Anthony]

But no, they put your first name and last name up on everybody is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So we all know that Edward's like either a perv or hilarious.

[Dave Anthony]

He's hilarious.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know who he is?

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know who he is, but that's. He's just being funny. Like, that's just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I would imagine he's being funny, but I would also imagine some people would be like, that's in poor taste.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, Edward. Edward is the king.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Edward's crush again.

[Dave Anthony]

Everyone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I wish I lived next door to Edward.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we all do. Okay, so. So Edme's is. I mean, people who weren't alive for this. It's so fucking crazy. It's. It's. It's a thousands of pages report on porn by the fucking Attorney General. It's genuine. Like everyone on the left and liberals were just like making. It's just crazy. It's. It's genuinely insane. It's a government report on porn. It's insane. It's insane inside of it. Inside. In the report, James Dobson said heavy metal was a form of porn. And Jimmy ran with that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

He said it wasn't just the music, but also rock magazines.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The only way you could try to thread that needle is that there's hot women in like, what. What year are we in? We're in the 80s.

[Dave Anthony]

This is. I think it's the late 80s on this camera.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So, like music videos are out. So like you're seeing hot, hot like attractive women in music videos as well as you're seeing the rock stars are kind of glammed up. See, but I'm not saying I'm like, obviously, I'm just saying the. It's insane. But music wise, you cannot be like, I'm gonna go jack off to Led Zeppelin.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, they're. Yeah. They're just trying to tie it all together.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. They're trying to make it so that. Because take down everything that they view as anti God or whatever.

[Dave Anthony]

And definitely a lot of the metal guys were just like, yeah, okay, I'll lean into the. Yeah, I'll lean into the devil shit. Just because it's. You guys are idiots, a shadow, the devil and other. But there's definitely a lot of hot women are into metal, so there's tons of hot women around the scene. Jessica Hahn was definitely in metal videos around the metal scene.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, what about. Because you were. I don't know if people know that you were in a glam band called An Antidote.

[Dave Anthony]

Antidote. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And. And like, you were doing. A lot of. You guys did a lot of shows on the Sunset Strip and stuff. So.

[Dave Anthony]

What.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the vibe at that time when it comes to this stuff, that must be kind of a vibe shifter for.

[Dave Anthony]

When they started coming after us.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, like, you're kind of, you know, you're lobbed in there with like all of the, you know, it was. You're on a list of those 20, 30 groups, and that's like the Sunset Strip crew. And then there. Did you guys kind of galvanize around the fact that you felt kind of attacked from the right. A little bit?

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know if galvanized the right word. But we. We. First of all, we thought our record sales would go up. Up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Did they?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they did. I mean, that's when I started taking the. The snake out of my anus on stage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Which was like, you know, a nod. It was definitely even the thing. And then sort of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah. And that. But. But if memory serves, that when you started really pushing that during every song is when the. The sales did start to decline.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. You go through, what, two, three snakes a show.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And a lot of them died. Yeah, Yeah. A lot of the snakes died.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I don't know.

[Dave Anthony]

But it was metal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I know, I know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just know that when the. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

We were. We would also, like. We would. On stage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The whole band.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, yeah, we'd. We'd do like, in between. Like, a lot of bands would do like a solo, but we'd have one guy, a lady.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

And. And then we'd film it. So it kind of was porn. So he might have Been.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, that. That to me feels like porn. Not really because it's a. I think.

[Dave Anthony]

It is pretty filmed penetration, but it's pretty melt. But yeah, we definitely. We don't help the cause. We had a lot of close ups. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

But so all right. Still, it's rock and roll, you know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, I know. I just think, okay, I'm, I, I'm ready to, you know, move back into the.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean the band eventually broke up because one of our guys went up to Washington and fucked. Got fucked by a horse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm ready to get back into the scripted part of the show.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, thank you. So Jimmy runs with it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He.

[Dave Anthony]

He said it's not just the music, but also rock magazines. And In June of 86, Jimmy gave a sermon attacking Walmart and Kmart for carrying these rock porn magazines. He's just going after all of it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it's going after all.

[Dave Anthony]

Going after marts because he can, he can attack whatever he wants because he doesn't get corporate money. Anything he attacks brings in more money from people who are sending in checks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Similarity to Scientology with the fact that if you're, if you're in the club.

[Dave Anthony]

You'Re like, Preston cut this. He also called the magazines, quote, more dangerous than Hustler and Playboy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now that's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I mean, I mean I had a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Probably two years subscription to Hustler at one point. And I'll tell you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they show a lot there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But I also. This sounds crazy, but I genuinely was like they, they had a very. Their political leanings. I really did like reading Hustler too. Plus they gave you a dvd and.

[Dave Anthony]

Then they're also showing you close ups of vaginas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I were. I don't that part to me, it just doesn't even. I don't know if they did that to the. I think it or the wrong one. I don't even remember.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he's saying this because he's saying that it's in, it's in a Walmart, in a Kmart. So it's more accessible and more kids are seeing it and getting sucked in. As opposed to Penthouse, which you can't get at Walmart. So Hit Prater magazine wrote about Motley Crue and they described sex with groupies the band the guys talked about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is not going to be good.

[Dave Anthony]

Jimmy claimed the article was read by a 13 year old boy. Quote, the smut business has moved out of the back alleys and the adult bookstores and into your family convenience stores like seven eleven.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, all right. I'm just going back to when I was 13 there. Definitely. If I went into a 711 and I browsed the Magazine Zone and I saw one of these, I could probably do my business right there. No, no, no. I'd go home.

[Dave Anthony]

No, but I. Yeah, yeah. So, you know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But that's fine.

[Dave Anthony]

Picture a world. You don't have access to porn at any time you want by pulling the thing out of your pocket. Not the thing, but the phone. The penis. Oh, the penis. It's a different world. So.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Different world.

[Dave Anthony]

You did have to try to see it where you could. And it was definitely tantalizing to watch walk by. If you're a kid. Walk by the book, the newspaper rack. It was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was like how an animal would, like, you know, store food. It was like when you. When it was.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, now what's happening?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, hold on. It was. You'd be like. If you're like. If you're like a hungry animal and. And you're not, like, hunting, but then you see a place for. For food, you go, I'm gonna eat now. So what am I gonna do? Not eat?

[Dave Anthony]

So you're.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You gotta take. Hold on.

[Dave Anthony]

Squirrel store. Except you're. You're.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You gotta take your shots.

[Dave Anthony]

So you're.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You gotta take your shots.

[Dave Anthony]

Young Gareth is grabbing his Playboy and his wheeze.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Or My mental imagery or what? When I could get it.

[Dave Anthony]

You'd store it and you put it in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You'd get it. Well, that's why we've always. Everyone's talked about forest porn.

[Dave Anthony]

Your nuthouse. Well, that was a bit. I had.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, not by. Okay. But it's true.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I remember when I was a boy, there was some hero.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who was leaving smut on a log.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And you'd go into the woods and you'd be like, this dude left, like four.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Pictures.

[Dave Anthony]

It's true.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And you'd be like, yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I have a whole bit about it. Because it's true. It's an actual thing that happened.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was awesome. I still do that for kids.

[Dave Anthony]

All right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He sit there with the mask. Sitting there. No, no, keep this in. I'm sitting there with the mags in the woods and I'm waiting for the boys to come over, and I'm like, fellas, it's Christmas. It's. Come Christmas.

[Dave Anthony]

Jimmy called. Rock musicians, quote, preachers of perversion masquerading as musicians, telling the kids that your parents or anyone else who tells you what to do is the devil. And you got to shout, right back at them and it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't, I don't like ending arguments where that doesn't make a lot of sense. I feel like you kind of lose your crowd a little bit.

[C]

Perverted sex themes and actions on stage and all. Hit parader, August 1984, carried a lead article about the group in which this particular man describe some of the band's sexual escapades. He said, the other day we had this one chick in the van and she was hanging over the seat naked. And what follows is a description in detail of varieties of sex acts performed by the girl on band members and vice versa. Language and depictions too obscene and graphic to include. The story was sent to one particular organization by a parent who found her 13 year old son reading the magazine. This magazine. I want to tell you something. Hit Parader is a rock magazine that can be bought by children of all ages at places like Walmart, Kmart, the grocery store store, and practically any other retail store that sells magazines. The smut business has moved out of the back alleys of the adult books bookstores into your family convenience stores.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like seven Eleven. Seven Eleven is like, bro, chill boy. There's so many people there, you could hear a pin drop.

[Dave Anthony]

It's really packed. He's, you know, it's, he's warning them of danger like this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's amazing to be doing this on the heels of Jim Baker. Yeah, just be like, hey, look out. These are your enemies.

[Dave Anthony]

Right. You know, but I guess that's one of the reasons he did it, to like take the, take the power back. Well, yeah, you're tape, but like everyone's like, what the is wrong with these televangelists? And then you can do that and then it turns into a thing and everybody runs with it because.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because that's how it is.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, everybody's media and all the politicians and everyone else is gonna be like, yeah, he's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, gives the right something to do while they're taking everything away.

[Dave Anthony]

So Walmart executives spoke to Jimmy and then removed 32 magazines from their stores.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Me? Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

Rolling Stone. What the Circus Cream? Oh, no. Hit Parader and of course, Tiger Beat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tiger Beat. Wow, that felt.

[Dave Anthony]

That's. Yeah, that's about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, that's like.

[Dave Anthony]

It's about Tiger.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How am I gonna jack off to the Fresh Prince? Huh? What did you say? Are we testing mics or what?

[Dave Anthony]

I think Tiger Beat is about tigers beating off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, no, you're way off.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm thinking of a different Tiger Beat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's different. You're thinking of Tiger Beat.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm thinking of Tigger Beat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. All of a sudden I played with it and it got super big and weird.

[Dave Anthony]

Is that honey?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not anymore it's not. Pooh Bear. Someone has done something to my honey. I wouldn't eat that right away, my friend. I would give it another second. Mix it up a little bit. Eat the honey. That's the bottom. The top is now no longer good. Tigger made a creme brulee. Take a torch to it, crisp the top.

[Dave Anthony]

He really focused on Hit Parader, which he tied to drugs, venereal disease and homosexuality, etc. All the bad things that eaten his mind.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ever a famine, biblical, floods, quote.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't listen to this music, but people in my organization do listen to it for research.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God. Just sitting there, there.

[Dave Anthony]

And they give me printouts.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God. Oh. So weird.

[Dave Anthony]

And it's mind boggling what's going on. Under the guise of freedom of expression.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Walmart pulled comedy albums and rock albums including Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, Motley Crue, Aussie, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest. And people lashed out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean this is the whole thing. We. We've talked about it before but it. It's just the full Streisand effect of this now you're in the news like. Yeah, but I. But the truth is that he's. A lot of. This is not even. It's not a. It's not an in earnest mission because he probably knows this just stokes his flock harder and.

[Dave Anthony]

Absolutely.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So yeah, he doesn't give a. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He couldn't give a. If a 13 year old's whacking off to hip.

[Dave Anthony]

And the more a band gets mad at him him, the more he gets fame with the God people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Especially in this era with government.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, you know, so it gets him all the attention he wants. He's on mainstream news. He's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It'd be great if he did an interview with Hit Parade.

[Dave Anthony]

He's confronted on CNN's Crossfire and. And in an LA Times article. Any attention is good for him. He now has a TV audience of. Of 2.1 million ministries complex worth 100 million and 1500 employees and a college.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God.

[Dave Anthony]

And that's the end of part one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh for sake. Oh my God. Is. Is coming out like this. Talking about this right now is particularly horrendous.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

On part two, we break up. What?

[Dave Anthony]

Just a fire near me. It's fine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll teach you to talk about this guy. Hey, dollop fans, I know you love the dollop. You love listening to the dollop. Do you want to watch the dollop? You're like, gareth, what are you talking about? By the way, it's not Gary, it's Gareth. Well, we have partnered with Lakeside Animation and we are starting to animate some of our episodes. So if you want to go watch a five parter animation, which is actually like a 22 minute episode or 30 minute episode, I can't remember, of the rube, you can go to LakeSide Animation on YouTube and watch a really awesome animation of the rube. It, it really genuinely kicks ass and we're very proud of it. And the more you share it, the more you give it to people, the more you follow Lakeside, all that stuff, the better chance we have of making a lot more of them. We're already making a second one, so go there and watch the rube.