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Dave Anthony
You're listening to the Dollop on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American history podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to my worker.
Gareth Reynolds
Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about.
Dave Anthony
And how do you feel today working for the Dollop?
Gareth Reynolds
I have a. I'm furious at Luke and have a new respect for him.
Dave Anthony
There's a lot of wires.
Gareth Reynolds
A lot of wires.
Dave Anthony
There's software happening. There's cameras. There's a lot going on.
Gareth Reynolds
Freaking smiley face balloon for crypt.
Dave Anthony
You brought that in?
Gareth Reynolds
No, this is just.
Dave Anthony
What, are we walking right through the door with it? And I said, why are you doing that?
Gareth Reynolds
Doesn't sound like me.
Dave Anthony
Where did you get the smiley face balloon?
Gareth Reynolds
I don't want to tell you.
Dave Anthony
Well, we're just going to sit here.
Gareth Reynolds
Quietly, then I will do a balloon off any day of the week, my friend.
Dave Anthony
Well, welcome to the Dollop.
Gareth Reynolds
Let's say this is someone's first episode and the intro is pretty clear, but I know nothing. You're going to walk me through it. We've been doing this for almost 11 years. 11 years over.
Dave Anthony
English 17.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, so just over, huh? We've been doing this for 11 years, you know, and it's just. It's fun. We're having fun with it. I think you're going to like it. And. And if you don't like it, all right, you know, that's fine. It's not a big deal. But I think you. I think if you hang in there, I understand. I think if you hang in there, I think you'll. You'll learn to like it and give it a minute.
Dave Anthony
Do you consider this to be a sales pitch?
Gareth Reynolds
Well, you know, I started thinking that. I'm telling the new listener, hey, welcome here.
Dave Anthony
You're making the podcast. You're broccolini.
Gareth Reynolds
Broccolini is delicious. Brussels sprouts delicious.
Dave Anthony
No, people do not start off. Most people are like, all right, that's a great appetizer. Asparagus, also an acquired.
Gareth Reynolds
Dave, please. Right now, new listeners, is not a food show, so you're probably a little throne, and you're going, hey, I thought they said there was some history in here. There is. Dave just took it to a Brussels sprout level, ignoring the fact that Brussels sprouts are often a fantastic app at any good restaurant. That many people.
Dave Anthony
That's not what I said. I said we're not doing acquired taste.
Gareth Reynolds
It's not an acquired taste. You could go there and have it for the first time. Because they put so much stuff on it. It's delicious. So. But that's not what it is. You tell me. I'm blowing the sales pitch. You're blowing the sale here.
Dave Anthony
Adding sauces.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm adding a. So think of this show like Brussels sprouts, and I'm the sauce. Boom. Go, go, go.
Dave Anthony
We're gonna be on tour.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God. North stuff.
Dave Anthony
We're gonna be on tour. Yeah. We're going on tour, man. So go to dollarpodcast.com tour and. And there will be all our tour dates. Midwest, Midwest, Indianapolis, Chicago, places like that.
Gareth Reynolds
But let's just take a minute to say, to Milwaukee, this is your last chance.
Dave Anthony
There's a balloon string hanging off.
Gareth Reynolds
This is it for you. Milwaukee.
Dave Anthony
It's really bad.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay. You better show up to Turner Hall.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Milwaukee. You're.
Gareth Reynolds
Because you're. You're embarrassing. I'm from there.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Where's this treatment of Come on.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
What are you doing? You is.
Unknown
I've been.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm from there. You're not saturated with entertainment to the point where you're just going like me, go to Turner Hall. My God.
Dave Anthony
I don't know if that's a sales pitch.
Gareth Reynolds
I know I'm blowing it. I just. It's all things bad.
Dave Anthony
Do you think that was better with the balloon?
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
You can't really control a balloon. A balloon control.
Gareth Reynolds
On the contrary, hot air controlled. Go ahead.
Dave Anthony
January 18, 1939. Year of our Lord J. Town. James Bo gr was born in Enid, Oklahoma. James Bogue writes James Bo Wrights. At 5, Bo's dad disappeared flying a mission in World War II, becoming missing in action, or as it's known, MIA mission in action. His mom wasn't around much as she worked full time as a wartime ferry pilot. Go ahead, we're taking questions.
Gareth Reynolds
What is it?
Dave Anthony
In World War II, there were fairies and they needed people to pilot them.
Gareth Reynolds
Ticker bell move.
Dave Anthony
That's correct.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
So he's mostly raised by his grandparents.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
All he wanted to talk about as a kid was the military. And his dad, he. He was obsessed.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
Grandma read him stories of fictional war heroes and Beau would like to say he was going to be a real life war hero like his dad.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
So grandma sent him on nightly make believe missions with the ghost of his dead father.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, there we go. So there it is. I was letting you cook for a minute and there we are. So. Yeah, go ahead. So, well, ghost, ghost, ghost dad and regular boy off on war mission.
Dave Anthony
That's right. Yes.
Gareth Reynolds
1910. Roughly yeah.
Dave Anthony
Night. Nighttime. Ghost.
Gareth Reynolds
Ghost. Dad.
Dave Anthony
War mission.
Gareth Reynolds
War mission.
Dave Anthony
So that's not gonna up a kid at all. That's gonna.
Gareth Reynolds
I. No, I think, you know, that's one of those things where it's like in the moment, you're like, yeah, that he's happy.
Dave Anthony
He's happy, but long term.
Gareth Reynolds
But maybe just talk to him a.
Dave Anthony
Little bit as an adult. He's going to be weird.
Gareth Reynolds
Dad, what do you think? I can't right now. My dad and I have to go around the neighborhood to make sure there's no enemies. Dad, we got a trench over there. He's like 35.
Dave Anthony
So she. She encouraged Beau to recreate his dad dead dad's flights with his father's spirit beside him in an imaginary cockpit.
Gareth Reynolds
It's like there's a thread there that I understand. But again, when you see it once, you'd be like, this is horrible.
Dave Anthony
This is a terrible.
Unknown
What do you think, dad? Here we go, dad. Here we go.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
All right.
Unknown
On another mission.
Gareth Reynolds
A boy and his dad.
Dave Anthony
Buddy. So listen.
Gareth Reynolds
Look at this scum. More air scum.
Unknown
Dad.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. We've talked about this before, but I would.
Unknown
Anything I should put on, Son, I.
Dave Anthony
Wouldn'T bring a child with me on any missions.
Gareth Reynolds
Look, dad, I don't want to be rude to you, but right now we're on a mission. It's not time for stuff like that. Might never be time for stuff like that.
Dave Anthony
Boo.
Unknown
Huh?
Dave Anthony
I'm a ghost.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, dad, focus. What's with you today?
Dave Anthony
Well, I'm a ghost.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, boy. Oh, dad, they got us on the wing. What should we do? I'm thinking water landing.
Dave Anthony
I don't know.
Unknown
Oh, dad. Here we go.
Dave Anthony
Is any of this real? Like, what is real?
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, no. There's so much water coming in.
Dave Anthony
I would like to.
Gareth Reynolds
Here, dad, get out of the glass with me.
Dave Anthony
Whatever. Spiritual. Yeah, I'm in trapping here.
Gareth Reynolds
The further we swim into the ocean, the further away we get from our actual feelings. And I Down here there's not feelings.
Dave Anthony
I have come to the conclusion down.
Gareth Reynolds
Here there's not feelings that the reason down here there's not feelings Ghost I.
Dave Anthony
Am still bound to this hell earth is because you won't let me go.
Gareth Reynolds
Dad and a boy Boy and a dad fly in the plane that he once had Boy and a dad fly in the plane oh, dad looks like he's going insane.
Dave Anthony
I hate the song.
Gareth Reynolds
But long term, I'll be fine.
Dave Anthony
You're not gonna be fin.
Gareth Reynolds
This will turn out and I'll shine.
Unknown
Oh, yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Boy and Ghost.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Okay. I wish I could take the play down again.
Gareth Reynolds
We should drown grandma.
Dave Anthony
Jesus Christ.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Don't you think?
Dave Anthony
No.
Gareth Reynolds
She's coming up with a lot of stupid ideas lately.
Dave Anthony
Well, okay.
Gareth Reynolds
You and I can figure it out.
Dave Anthony
No.
Gareth Reynolds
Can you cook?
Dave Anthony
I don't think I can lift things up.
Gareth Reynolds
Teach me how to shave other.
Dave Anthony
So other than, like, the ghost dad stuff, he had a pretty normal childhood.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
But then he starts to act out as a teen.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
So he did pranks, he built hot rods, and he'd speed around town, stole motorcycles, blew up the school auditorium with fireworks. Just things that kid hijinks that kids get into. One's bigger, like stuff like that.
Gareth Reynolds
One's bigger.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, but you were a rascal.
Gareth Reynolds
I'll be honest. I love fireworks.
Dave Anthony
How old were you when you blew up the school auditorium?
Gareth Reynolds
I just put in my house burned down once, but it wasn't me. But everyone in my school thought it was me.
Dave Anthony
Of course they did.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. I love fireworks.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Well, so in 1953, he was 14 years old and he was expelled from school.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
So he's got no father to discipline him.
Gareth Reynolds
Ghost dad. Yeah. They kicked me out.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, that's true. But ghost dad doesn't discipline. He goes along with you.
Gareth Reynolds
Exactly. That's why I love you, Ghost Dad.
Dave Anthony
So Bo had to sort of himself, and he picked. He decided to go to military school.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, boy.
Dave Anthony
He's like, that's what I need.
Gareth Reynolds
Discipline. Maybe his dad's future.
Dave Anthony
What?
Gareth Reynolds
Worked in what way?
Dave Anthony
Well, in his senior year, he was offered a spot at West Point Academy.
Gareth Reynolds
God damn. I'll tell you what. We keep going to that West Point a lot, and seems to be a bit of a. A bit problematic.
Dave Anthony
The weirdos go through West Point.
Gareth Reynolds
Seems like it's not great.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. As he. As he was considering it going to West Point, he saw a Green Beret poster on campus, Right? So poster for the Green Berets. And he asked his recruiter, he goes, what do those guys do? And the recruiter said, quote, they go out into the woods, live off bark and lizards, snoop around, blow up bridges, and Garrett people and Bo could not sign up fast enough. No.
Gareth Reynolds
Garrett Gareth.
Dave Anthony
No, it's not you. It's the action of garroting Gareth thing. Beau enlisted in 1957, enrolled in officer Candidate School. Because this guy sounds like officer for the Green Berets. Yes.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, boy.
Dave Anthony
By 1963, he was a captain just in time for the Vietnam War.
Gareth Reynolds
So he's good. Whatever he's doing, he's good at it.
Dave Anthony
You know, he's good. Quote I used to test my people once. They said they wanted to volunteer for my unit. I would sit across the table, take a hand grenade, place it on the table and say pull the pin and let it go.
Gareth Reynolds
Well the guy are allowed to do that.
Dave Anthony
I knew I had taken the blasting cap off the grenade, but they didn't know it. And when you're on special operations, they cannot let common sense rule their judgment. They have to believe in me.
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, I don't know, man. I feel like a lot of it is common sense too. You got to like, you know, there's got to be. By the way, I would definitely be like, he's full of it. I'll do it.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. I think most people would think, well, he's not going to blow us both.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Right.
Gareth Reynolds
If you were like leaving there, you'd mouth to the other guys like.
Dave Anthony
They probably everybody. Probably everybody knew going in.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Like, yeah, he does this stupid grenade. Well, I need you to. Oh, you pulled that pretty quick. Yeah. I don't care.
Unknown
I trust you.
Gareth Reynolds
I think out there I've really got to listen to what you think.
Dave Anthony
That's right.
Gareth Reynolds
So.
Dave Anthony
So Bowdoin command many US soldiers. Instead he was given a detachment mostly of Cambodian mercenaries. That's cool. That's a sign normal.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm feeling that. Well, I think in retrospect we've been quite good to Cambodia.
Dave Anthony
Thank you. So if there's one country America has been good to, it's Cambodia.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. No, I believe Anthony Bourdain's quote is if you want to hate America, go to Cambodia.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Indeed. In 1966, a U2 spy plane crashed in Cambodia and its black box full of secret codes could fall into the hands of the USSR Real easy too is our enemy.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Yeah. Aren't you? Who's on your shirt?
Dave Anthony
That's Karl Marx.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, what's your deal?
Dave Anthony
What's the shirt say?
Gareth Reynolds
Told you so.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. President Johnson wanted the black box back, so he called in special force forces and that means Beau grights. When I was growing up, I always thought his name was Bo Gritz.
Gareth Reynolds
I've never heard of him.
Dave Anthony
You've never heard of Bo Grit?
Gareth Reynolds
No.
Dave Anthony
Or Bo Gr.
Gareth Reynolds
No.
Dave Anthony
Bo said he led his team behind enemy lines to the crash, but the box was gone.
Gareth Reynolds
Cambodians.
Dave Anthony
Cambodians. It didn't take him long to find sandal tracks leading to an enemy camp. Or as well them just Cambodians.
Gareth Reynolds
Yep. But yeah, a Cambodian village an of Cambodian people living their lives. I the feeling this Isn't going to go great.
Dave Anthony
Well, he led a raid on the camp, successfully recovered the black box.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
Now, other green brays who were on that mission say that his version is absolute. They said the black box was just at the crash site and they got it without firing a shot or they had to attack an enemy camp.
Gareth Reynolds
He said that they went in there just attacking and that's how he found it. So he went on a Rambo mission.
Dave Anthony
To find the black box, followed the sandal tracks. Now, can I. Tracking? You've seen. You've seen video of a jungle. You've seen.
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
Dave Anthony
Vietnam War movies. How do you think following sandal tracks goes in the jungle?
Gareth Reynolds
Well, I think you're probably looking. You're looking for some depressed leaves, some areas of. You know, I think you could. I could probably figure it out and probably follow it, but it's not the easiest. And here's why, Dave. It's.
Dave Anthony
It's quite.
Gareth Reynolds
Quite leafy and foresty and the ground is. And moist.
Dave Anthony
Moist.
Gareth Reynolds
And. And it's probably not that easy. And even if you can follow it for a minute, it's probably difficult to keep going.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. But interesting.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
So anyway, that's what happened, Bo. On some fellow soldiers. Quote, there are soldiers like myself who are not staff pukes. We didn't come up the ranks slow stroking the generals. Instead, we came up in the.
Gareth Reynolds
Is that a hand job?
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Wow.
Dave Anthony
Instead, we came up in the foxholes and the field. We will not sell our time, our talent, our resources to anyone, regardless of. But we'll give them if the cause is right.
Gareth Reynolds
Who jacked off a general? I know.
Dave Anthony
I got.
Gareth Reynolds
These generals have an insatiable hunger for hand jobs.
Dave Anthony
Can I be a colonel? Can I be a colonel?
Gareth Reynolds
Drop and give me it. Oh, yeah.
Dave Anthony
General Westmoreland wrote of the raid in his memoir and portrayed Beau as a hero.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
Even though it's clearly not real, I'm still.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm. I'm open.
Dave Anthony
Francis Ford Coppola wanted to use a picture of Beau and his mercenaries for Apocalypse Now. Bose rose up to lieutenant colonel in Vietnam. Time magazine said he became, quote, the most decorated soldier in American history, with over 60 medals, including the Distinguished Flying Cross, two Purple Hearts, two Legion of Merits, three Silver Stars, four Bronze Stars, and 26 Air Metals.
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, that's crazy.
Dave Anthony
That's a lot. You could.
Gareth Reynolds
You're happy now, Daddy?
Dave Anthony
You could probably sell that for a lot.
Gareth Reynolds
Two Purple Hearts.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, well, yeah, but I think you get those pretty.
Gareth Reynolds
I don't think you do.
Dave Anthony
I think you can get them pretty easy if you know the right people.
Gareth Reynolds
I. I got a bunch of them.
Dave Anthony
I think if, you know, I think if people like you, you get those easier.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, Yeah, I got a bunch of Purple Hearts. You want one? No problem.
Dave Anthony
That's not how you get them.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, yeah, you do.
Dave Anthony
You can steal a Purple Heart and then you are officially injured in Vietnam. People don't know that.
Gareth Reynolds
Were you alive for Vietnam? No. Crazy.
Dave Anthony
But a Freedom of Information act request later seemed to show that Bo basically gave himself many of the medals.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh.
Dave Anthony
Sometimes awarding himself twice for the same thing.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
Dave Anthony
People just aren't checking paperwork.
Gareth Reynolds
How is he able to do that? He's just do it.
Dave Anthony
Send in paperwork once, sending medals again, change some of the details, get it again.
Gareth Reynolds
Jesus Christ, this guy needs a lot of Purple Hearts.
Dave Anthony
Imagine what his uniform look.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, that whole thing is like grown up Cub Scouts.
Dave Anthony
After the war, he had a crisis of conscience and he said he had killed 400 men.
Gareth Reynolds
Jesus Christ.
Dave Anthony
And he was trying to grapple with it, but couldn't.
Gareth Reynolds
Can you imagine killing 400 people?
Dave Anthony
Yes.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay, I have a list, but I mean, I may. You've never killed.
Dave Anthony
Well, okay, now I have not killed a human being. Yeah, I accidentally killed the possum once. Ah, that's sad. Quote. I went to the top of a mountain in Mexico. I had one bullet in my nine millimeter. I come to shot one Mexican.
Gareth Reynolds
Dirty, dirty Mexican. I saw from the bluff, and I shot him.
Dave Anthony
I come to some sort of realization. Had all of the loss of life that I had precipitated in Vietnam. Was it excusable?
Gareth Reynolds
No.
Dave Anthony
Luckily, Beau came to a conclusion. Quote, searching back. If you take life and do it in the course of duty, that kind of wrongful death is excusable.
Gareth Reynolds
How. How can you possibly.
Dave Anthony
I did soul searching is what I did.
Gareth Reynolds
How can but imagine if.
Dave Anthony
I mean, look, what I realized was if you're wearing a uniform and you cut off someone's head, be it a soldier or a child, you're doing it for your country. And therefore it is what is officially termed okie dokie.
Gareth Reynolds
What you don't understand, God was. I was told to.
Unknown
Oh, my.
Dave Anthony
Well, go on here.
Gareth Reynolds
But I really think, like, I mean, there are so many soldiers who have come back from, you know, whatever warrior, like, what the fuss?
Dave Anthony
What did I do?
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, they.
Dave Anthony
And.
Gareth Reynolds
And you have. I mean, how are you. You got to like, find a way to be like, all right, I'm just. I mean, they told me to. They told them to. They lied to him.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. And. But although he's not lied to.
Gareth Reynolds
No, he's, he's.
Dave Anthony
A lot of them are lied to and they have to do stuff that's absolutely horrendous.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. And then you have to like come back and actually like, you know.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Figure that out, which is impossible.
Dave Anthony
And then you become a cop. Bo started doing a karate and that, that is when he met a beautiful woman.
Gareth Reynolds
He gave him something like four black beautiful woman. Okay.
Dave Anthony
They were married that year.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
She's 16, 20 years younger. She's 16, 20 years Younger.
Gareth Reynolds
16.
Dave Anthony
Fertile Gareth.
Gareth Reynolds
16. She's 16.
Dave Anthony
She is just out of childhood, you know, the whole.
Gareth Reynolds
The. How long until Trump just lowers the fuck age.
Dave Anthony
I don't think they call it the fuck age.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, soon enough it's called the age.
Dave Anthony
We'll call it the. Yeah, that's how he might get around everything. So.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, he really might.
Dave Anthony
Bo was transferred to Special Forces Commander of South America, where he served until 1977.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
Now, if you have heard the doll before, you'll remember some very bad was going on in South America that time, may I say, very, very bad shit. Concentration camp shit, right by us.
Unknown
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
All right.
Dave Anthony
So amazed and frustrated, he watched the US shield ruthless Panamanian dictator, Manuel Noriega. Have I done a doll upon Noriega?
Gareth Reynolds
I don't think so, no.
Dave Anthony
He had a major role in a joint operation by the CIA and the Mossad to create the cocaine boom in the US which led to millions of dollars going to buy weapons for antisocialist contras in Central and South America.
Gareth Reynolds
It really is, like shocking to me once again, the length of time we've just been doing the exact same shit and being lied to about it. I mean, overall, Mossad and CIA are pippin Jordan. I mean, just one's always like, I'll cook.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. From Panama, Beau learned, quote, 10% of acquired CAA covert funds come from congressional appropriation. The other 90% is made up from extra legal means.
Gareth Reynolds
Extra legal means, Right.
Dave Anthony
So if you really look into the CIA, you'll see that they do get a lot of money from the government, but they make a lot of money on their own. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
How are they making that money?
Dave Anthony
Well, right here, it's drugs.
Gareth Reynolds
Hello, CIA. I'd like to donate drugs. That's so cool.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, Shortly.
Gareth Reynolds
I've never liked them more.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, they're pretty fun.
Unknown
They, they do drug deals.
Dave Anthony
Shortly after his 22 year career ended under mysterious, mysterious circumstances. So Beau said a general asked him to retire to focus on civilian prisoner of war POW rescue missions.
Gareth Reynolds
Let me guess.
Dave Anthony
He was forced out, but the general died right after that.
Gareth Reynolds
Hmm. Pull this pin.
Dave Anthony
So Beau showed people a letter he said proved the general wanted him doing POW rescue missions. And the FBI said the letter was a forgery.
Gareth Reynolds
What do they know?
Dave Anthony
Who's to believe? Who are you going to believe? There's decorated. This guy's got 7,000 metals.
Gareth Reynolds
15 purple hearts, three on the same day.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Really tossing them out.
Dave Anthony
Pentagon sources said Beau retired because his superiors pressured him into leaving after believing that he'd done a Colonel Kurtz.
Gareth Reynolds
A Colonel Kurtz.
Dave Anthony
Go ahead, Colonel Kurtz. I will show you.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, God.
Dave Anthony
Josh is gonna be mad at you.
Gareth Reynolds
Josh is pretty much constantly mad.
Dave Anthony
It's true.
Gareth Reynolds
You want to read it? Oh, yeah. Oh, dear. So he did a Colonel Kurtz. He did. He Apocalypse Nowed.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. So Colonel Kurtz is Marlon Brando in.
Gareth Reynolds
Apocalypse now, as I call him the straight man in the movie. Just like a real chill character.
Dave Anthony
Okay, so I'll read it. Walter Kurtz was a career officer in the US Army. He's a third generation West Point graduate who had risen through the ranks and was seen to be destined for top post in the Pentagon. So, yeah. So. So. And then he goes bananas and not. So they think that. So they think that's what happened.
Gareth Reynolds
Right?
Dave Anthony
So the. That's. That's what some people in Pentagon say that they. They. They were like, okay, but yeah, out you go, buddy.
Gareth Reynolds
Buddy.
Dave Anthony
That's a bit like. We love a lot of in. In the army, but wow.
Gareth Reynolds
We were meant to do it. Tell him, dad.
Dave Anthony
The issue of. Of prisoners of war soldiers missing in action who were left behind in Vietnam was pretty big amongst veterans, and now.
Gareth Reynolds
He'S going to be involved in that and the.
Dave Anthony
Amongst veterans and their families.
Gareth Reynolds
So Colonel Kurtz is like, I was reassigned, but it's a sham. Right.
Dave Anthony
There's just people having hope. Right. And they can't let go.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh. Oh, that's a.
Dave Anthony
Families and whatnot in 19. Here's. Here's how it happened, though. So in 1972, the Nixon administration lied. He did one bad thing, and it's this. But he didn't do anything.
Gareth Reynolds
So he did tell a lie.
Dave Anthony
He was on the up and up for the most part.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. But this is one thing.
Gareth Reynolds
Everything I've heard has been pretty soft.
Dave Anthony
So he said there were around 1300 prisoners of war.
Gareth Reynolds
Is he just trying to cover for death?
Dave Anthony
No, if you can imagine this. So he wanted to say there were prisoners of War. So he could justify a Christmas bobbing campaign. Right. If you can imagine a country saying there were.
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
Dave Anthony
And he would use it as leverage in peace talks. So that. That's what. So he lied, right? This is Kissinger. Who else could it be?
Gareth Reynolds
Just cr. It's so crazy how it. Like, if we can just put our minds towards doing proper things that help people, but instead we're like, how can we buy my Christmas? Like, it's just the evil, most evil.
Dave Anthony
There were actually half as many POWs. According to both the North Vietnam and American intelligence. After the war, Nixon only brought home 591 soldiers, which is probably the amount there actually were. But now people are like, well, there's 700 still there because that. Because of the fake numbers.
Gareth Reynolds
Right?
Dave Anthony
So Nixon now says, no, all POWs have been freed, which makes everyone super suspicious.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Why is he saying that? And created a cottage industry of people determined to bring our boys home.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, no, no. Not a cottage industry of POW hunters. Oh, no.
Dave Anthony
Ross Perot.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
Dave Anthony
Short Texas billionaire obsessed with bringing every prisoner of war back.
Unknown
We're gonna find him. We are gonna find your boys. Okay?
Dave Anthony
He called the Nixon White House so often that an exasperated aide finally said, quote. God damn it, stop calling.
Unknown
Now hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. Hold on. Put me on hold.
Gareth Reynolds
I like the music, guys. Paper.
Dave Anthony
He organized a private.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
Dave Anthony
Paramilitary operation, Ross Perot, to free two employees from an Iranian prison.
Unknown
Now, where can find me, boys?
Dave Anthony
But in an incredible. In an act of incredible timing, someone else freed the prisoners right before Perot's team arrived.
Unknown
I think we still go. Okay. I think we should still make the trip. Get the ghost one. All right. The only thing that we're look. We might find more pals. Okay. Yeah, I think we'd look over at. We turn over every rock, every stick, every log, everything we can find. Every tree trunk. Maybe a guy be under our shoe.
Dave Anthony
Can I just.
Unknown
We gotta find them.
Dave Anthony
Can I just ask you to stop calling them POWs?
Unknown
POWs now? What are you talking about? What do you call.
Dave Anthony
Never mind. It's like the Batman w. I call him.
Unknown
It's like when Batman hits a guy. Pow. It's not going to get him.
Dave Anthony
It's not really.
Unknown
And when we break the door down, we're going to make a POW on the pow. Okay? We're gonna find these boys no matter what.
Dave Anthony
I've never seen you so excited to be able to do Ross Pro. Like.
Unknown
I don't know what you're talking about.
Dave Anthony
I've never, never done. I never brought back a character and seen you. I mean, you're.
Unknown
Now, hold on. Hold on a minute.
Gareth Reynolds
Hold on a minute.
Unknown
You're calling me a balloon?
Dave Anthony
Yes.
Unknown
I might be a little balloony right now. I'll tell you what. I got more helium inside of me than a big bunch on a birthday bash. Okay?
Dave Anthony
According to Bo, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is the Department of Defense's own CIA.
Gareth Reynolds
What the.
Unknown
Why?
Dave Anthony
Everybody needs one.
Gareth Reynolds
We're good.
Dave Anthony
Everybody needs one.
Gareth Reynolds
Good. Why?
Unknown
What?
Gareth Reynolds
The end of this country will just be everyone's in a military like service.
Dave Anthony
So he asked Ross Per. The director of the Defense Intelligence Agency asked Ross Pro to fund Bo's first POW rescue mission.
Unknown
Absolutely. You gotta. You absolutely have a deal.
Dave Anthony
As Bo entered Pro's office, the first thing he saw was a massive bronze statue of John Wayne. At top, a majestic steed with his gun out, looking very.
Unknown
Now, how good is this, huh?
Dave Anthony
From Bose Autobiography. So Pro gets right to the point. I should just have you read this?
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
Dave Anthony
Okay, wait. Yeah, so there's two sentences here, but I'll let you read both.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Unknown
Now, I want you to go over there and do everything necessary. You come back and tell me there aren't any POWs left alive. I'm not interested in bones. That's bones. B O N E S. Now how crazy is that that I just said that?
Dave Anthony
There's a second one?
Unknown
And as I pause a little more.
Dave Anthony
Ross Perot goes on to say, quote.
Unknown
When you get back, I have an additional task for you. Governor Clements and the head of the DEA have given me permission to have one man operate outside the law. I know you have extensive contracts in Central America. I want you to uncover and identify everyone dealing with cocaine. Everyone dealing cocaine between Columbia and Texas. Once you're sure you got them all, I want you to wipe them out in a single night, like an angel of death. Okay.
Dave Anthony
Like a little bit.
Gareth Reynolds
That little guy said that.
Unknown
I want you to ride in on like you're one of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. Take your sword out of your sheep and I want you to cut the heads off these boys. You understand? And when the heads are off, I want the blood drained out of them. And I want you to put it in a big bucket. And I want you to cut the skulls out of the skin. And then I want you to drink the. Drink the blood out of the skulls like wine from a craft. Okay? You understand?
Dave Anthony
Yeah, but this goes because they have the skull.
Unknown
You will take the skull out of the Skin.
Dave Anthony
I'm holding it.
Unknown
Are you. Are you slow?
Dave Anthony
I'm holding it upside. So it's upside down, the skull. No way. It would hold.
Unknown
Of course it is.
Dave Anthony
The water.
Unknown
It's like a head bowl, but.
Dave Anthony
A head bowl.
Unknown
Yeah, it's like a. But, yeah, exactly.
Dave Anthony
I'm just thinking of the particulars of drinking.
Unknown
Well, some of it's going to spill down your neck. Yeah, but that's okay. You will be covered in blood at that point anyway.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Unknown
So there's no need to worry about a napkin or anything like that.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Unknown
Are you slow, son?
Dave Anthony
No, no, I'm just.
Unknown
You understand what I'm saying?
Dave Anthony
Just thinking this through.
Unknown
You will drink the blood out of the skull like it's blind from a big old bowl.
Dave Anthony
Okay?
Unknown
And that's what you'll do.
Dave Anthony
And this is legal. You said. You said something about legal.
Unknown
You said, oh, legality of all this.
Dave Anthony
Law is what you.
Unknown
Outside the law. But that is not illegal. So illegal is illegal. You're just working a little bit outside the law.
Dave Anthony
I guess my question is.
Unknown
I would rather you not have a question, but go ahead.
Dave Anthony
If you say the says they give permission or go outside the law, can they actually give that permission? It seems like yes. From a government perspective, you can't actually say work outside the law.
Unknown
Because then they're not saying it. I'm saying they gave me a head nod. I said to them, can these boys work outside the law? And one of them open a window. Okay, so we're 100% clear on this?
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Unknown
All right.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Unknown
I want you to do stuff you've never done before. Make it dirty.
Dave Anthony
I've done most of this.
Unknown
And by the way, I want some of the skulls.
Dave Anthony
I've killed 400 people.
Unknown
That's awesome.
Dave Anthony
Drank from my head, though.
Unknown
Yeah. This is gonna be good for you.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Unknown
I'm telling you, I never drank wine out of a skull or blood out of a skull or anything like that.
Dave Anthony
Now what if I get.
Unknown
But you know what I did have once? An old bottle of merlot. 1951. Okay, yeah, real good. But they left it standing up, so it's kind of vinegary, but I didn't even care.
Dave Anthony
Are they making merlot in 51?
Unknown
What kind of question is that? How would you even. What. What year you think merlot was invented? Are you actually gonna Google this?
Gareth Reynolds
That is an inappropriate Google.
Unknown
Right now we have bigger fish to fry. Right now we're a grill covered in fish, and you're telling me you're making room for a little bit Of a Google. That doesn't make any sense.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, they probably had it, right?
Unknown
Probably. Of course they had it. I can't wait for you to eat crow.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, it doesn't really say. Oh, history. Here we go.
Unknown
Here you go. History of Merlot.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
No, it's.
Unknown
Now. Look at you, boy.
Dave Anthony
1824.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Unknown
1820. What do you think they just made merlot? Like 1975? It seems like it's not Sunkiss Fool.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown
It seems like out here acting like Merlot's Cheetos. It's been around for a long time. Mugs probably made it. Monks probably drinking. Speaking of monks, I want you to take a vow of silence when it comes to talk back with me. Now, on my table, I have a grenade. I want you.
Dave Anthony
That's my thing.
Unknown
I want you to do me a favor and eat it.
Dave Anthony
I'm not eating the fucking.
Unknown
Eat the grenade. Okay, I will eat it.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
All right.
Dave Anthony
So there's no record of this being true at all. That. Oh, there's no record that most of the stuff that Bo says, there's no record of it being true.
Gareth Reynolds
Is that problematic?
Dave Anthony
Well, there's no record of Pro ever giving Beau a dime. But I. My memory is of Perot. How is Perot and liking Bo a lot. Like, he pushed.
Gareth Reynolds
How is he involved? Like.
Dave Anthony
Well, the same way Elon gets involved. He's just a rich billionaire rich guy.
Gareth Reynolds
Who'S just now, like, having fun.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Unknown
Now you listen to me.
Dave Anthony
But Bo did get a quasi go ahead from the Army's version of the CIA. The Intelligence Support Agency.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my. What?
Dave Anthony
It's gotta have another one. The ISA was formed in 1979 to plan the failed rescue of American hostages in Iran. Oh, when we sent two helicopters and they weren't, right. They weren't ready for the desert and they crashed. Yeah. In two years, the agency outwarts welcome in the Pentagon.
Gareth Reynolds
Mostly because can you imagine the Pentagon.
Dave Anthony
Being like, you know, what the are these guys doing?
Gareth Reynolds
You're a little crazy.
Dave Anthony
It was deemed a rogue operation, accountable to no one, so they got rid of it. It's the perfect organization, however, for bog rights.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, Jesus. How are they? They're just fighting each other.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Like a war crimes bumble.
Dave Anthony
Bose, old army buddy at the isa, Codename Shipman.
Gareth Reynolds
Hello.
Dave Anthony
Gave him the green light and Bo was ready to form his first big mission. Operation Velvet Hammer. Velvet Hammer. Soft Hammer.
Gareth Reynolds
That's what Mel Torme called his.
Dave Anthony
I'm gonna.
Gareth Reynolds
What happened, bud? What happened?
Dave Anthony
I'm gonna hit you with a soft Hammer so soft.
Gareth Reynolds
Velvet hammer.
Dave Anthony
You're gonna want this hammer to hit.
Gareth Reynolds
You over and in this corner, O.
Dave Anthony
So the velvet. Based on the findings of a Vietnamese man named low who approached U.S. agents about a POW camp in Laos. Okay, so the U.S. when they hear this, they send a spy plane to take a picture. And the picture shows there is a large facility with walls, fences, and guard towns.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, well, well, well, welly well. Told ya.
Dave Anthony
There were standing figures whose shadows seemed to indicate that they were, quote, taller than Asians.
Gareth Reynolds
How do you make spy plane pictures racial? Jesus Christ. It is just the.
Unknown
You know what?
Gareth Reynolds
It's actually kind of nice to see the racism trip up intelligence.
Dave Anthony
And there were sitting figures who, quote, don't squat like Asians.
Gareth Reynolds
Mother of God. Get it all out.
Dave Anthony
This is called proof.
Gareth Reynolds
That is.
Dave Anthony
Hey, no. That guy's sitting like a white.
Gareth Reynolds
No, I mean, I want to go.
Dave Anthony
So we analyze the photo, General, and you can see here that this is white sitting.
Gareth Reynolds
Absolutely. Those men are not squatting, and they're tinier than regular men.
Dave Anthony
Asians sit with their bottom down and their legs over their shoulders. These men are sitting with their Just legs out.
Unknown
Yep.
Gareth Reynolds
That is not an Asian. They don't even know about that technology yet. They haven't heard about legs going straight out and Ruskis.
Dave Anthony
One more thing, Gareth. The Symbols B and 52 seem to be stamped out in the grass.
Gareth Reynolds
B. And so they're saying. Stamped out. What do you say? They're saying they saw someone stamp out an imprint.
Dave Anthony
No, they didn't see it, but someone had done it.
Gareth Reynolds
Someone had done it.
Dave Anthony
And then grass.
Gareth Reynolds
Right. But they're. So they're saying it's a part of.
Dave Anthony
It's a. The code. The prisoner of war is sending a message.
Gareth Reynolds
The prison of.
Dave Anthony
He didn't stand by the S.O.S. no, he stamped out B52. He's the spy plane.
Gareth Reynolds
Love shack.
Dave Anthony
Love shack.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
Dave Anthony
So the military hire Ty and Louis Laoshant.
Gareth Reynolds
I have a low bar for the military war crimes. Ah. And.
Dave Anthony
The military hire Thai and Laotian operatives to stake out the camp, and they find no evidence of POWs.
Gareth Reynolds
They're compromised.
Dave Anthony
In fact, it looks like it's been deserted for a long time. Just like they want you to believe.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. You fell for it.
Dave Anthony
The dia.
Gareth Reynolds
The dia, that is. Oh, the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Dave Anthony
Yes. Which. The Department of Defense is CIA, Cole. The DIA asked Lowe to take a lie detector test. Okay, this will do it.
Gareth Reynolds
Lie detectors work or not, this will do it.
Dave Anthony
Well, he did fail several times.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
In this case, I guess it did.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
I think they do sometimes, but I think there's way to.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, right.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, yeah. Like I put something on my ass.
Gareth Reynolds
Huh?
Dave Anthony
There's a particular butt plug.
Gareth Reynolds
Huh?
Dave Anthony
You can also just press. Put a pebble up under your toe and push on that.
Gareth Reynolds
Why would you not go with that route? Don't answer. Do not answer. Don't answer.
Dave Anthony
It looked scissor. Okay, jump. Jump. So the DIA concluded that the figures had been set up by low or they were just shadows. I want to talk about technology at this point because. Why are you even doing it? Because if you can't tell the difference between. If you can't tell the difference between a shadow and a man, and you are pretending you can tell the difference between a white guy and an Asian guy, maybe you shouldn't be using that technology. Maybe that technology is not actually that good.
Gareth Reynolds
Now, look, we're all excited for you guys to come up with that tech, obviously. The drone era, we're all very pumped up for it. But right now it feels like maybe you're not there yet.
Unknown
The isa, however, it's not only Asians that can be tiny.
Dave Anthony
Ross Perot is Asian sized.
Unknown
I am. I don't think you're allowed to say something like that, according to this. I don't think you're allowed to say something like that.
Dave Anthony
No, according to this.
Unknown
There's many things you can compare me to, according to spy photo dressage pony.
Dave Anthony
Proization, I'm the size of a fire.
Unknown
Hydrant, but not one of those ones that's in the ground fully. It's got the little base sticking up out like it's a little dress. You know what I'm talking about? I'm half a mailbox. I'm a newspaper stand size.
Dave Anthony
Okay?
Unknown
I'm pocket friendly.
Dave Anthony
So the isa, which is the army's version of the CIA, feels differently. Shipman thought that Shipman is his contact at the isa. Shipman thinks it's an active camp and sends the classified picture to Bo Gritz. Bo.
Gareth Reynolds
Let me guess. What? Both things.
Dave Anthony
Well, he agrees. He's like, this is a active prison camp. Look at it.
Gareth Reynolds
You give him the ink, blood test, everything. He's like, camp, we need to go in.
Dave Anthony
And clearly some of her boys are there. They're sitting down. They're. They're making B52 in the grass.
Gareth Reynolds
Bingo, baby. Get moving. What's taking so long?
Dave Anthony
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Gareth Reynolds
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Gareth Reynolds
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Dave Anthony
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Gareth Reynolds
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Gareth Reynolds
Was trying to do before you hired them to do that. I'd been trying to renegotiate your Internet for a while. And those.
Dave Anthony
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Gareth Reynolds
If I can get into your Wire zone a little bit more, I really.
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Prescriptions you basically they make it so easy for you to get prescriptions.
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Gareth Reynolds
Okay. But. Well, either way. But, but and also it's like the way there is not a better customer service. They are the best. The Chewy. From employees to delivery to the fact that if you have something on an auto subscription and your animal for whatever reason like you know, if your animal passes away, Chewy's like we are not going to bother you. They are the best company. Chewy is the best.
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Gareth Reynolds
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Gareth Reynolds
You just found another one a couple weeks ago.
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Gareth Reynolds
Love the hydro for so many reasons. It's a. It's a home rowing machine. But that really doesn't even state most of what it does. It is. It's got a. It's got the screen, it's got the. I would imagine hundreds, if not thousands of classes you take with online rowing instructors all preloaded. You can go how long you want it, how many miles you want. But what's great is that a lot of them, not all of them, but a lot of them are like the rowing instructor is going through a body of water. It just. I don't know, there's something about it, it teaches you good form. You, it. And rowing is such a good workout. As far as if you're looking for something that's low impact but still good burn, full body. It's like. What is it like 97% of your muscles get worked when you row?
Dave Anthony
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Gareth Reynolds
86% if you take, if you involve me in hydro, I can get up to 97. That's just the pitch for me to hydro. But no, if they're listening. But, but it's full body. I mean, there is the reason why it's low impact is because you use everything. So I, I love the hydro. I'm always on the hydro a few times a week and it's just the best.
Dave Anthony
And sometimes Gareth comes over, I go to his house and we hydro together.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, we do a hydro built for two. And we should point out that they have asked us to not talk about that. But that's our reality.
Dave Anthony
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Gareth Reynolds
Yep.
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Gareth Reynolds
I need a team.
Dave Anthony
So news of this gets to the DIA's admiral who hates Bo. So right now you have the. You have the Department of Defenses, CIA now working opposed to the army CIA, which is cool. He would later, the admiral would later tell Congress Quote, the best thing GR could do for the POW issue is find another activity.
Gareth Reynolds
Just something else.
Dave Anthony
Oh, because you don't want to be rescued because you left our boys.
Gareth Reynolds
They're not there.
Dave Anthony
Never stop.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
No matter what they say, you can never.
Gareth Reynolds
You can't win.
Dave Anthony
Never end.
Gareth Reynolds
Can't win.
Dave Anthony
And all because Nixon said, There's 1300 there.
Gareth Reynolds
Jesus Christ.
Dave Anthony
And this went on for. This was like, a lot started in my childhood, but went on and on for you. The. The POW thing. There's PO Dude. There's movies missing in action with Chuck Norris. That's all based on this, but great movie.
Gareth Reynolds
Those are old movies. I mean, it's just like, you would watch War Crimes and be like, let's go. Like, that was like the 80s and 90s. You were like, awesome. Our guy just killed a bunch of villagers.
Dave Anthony
Well, have you ever seen Black Hawk Down?
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, yeah. It's crazy.
Dave Anthony
Like, who am I supposed to be rooting for?
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
So the Admiral declares that no one in the government is allowed to cooperate with Beau and ordered Beau to return the photo.
Gareth Reynolds
No.
Dave Anthony
That's right. Beau refuses. And now, because he said that he's more motivated to carry on, he's like, these.
Gareth Reynolds
I will show them.
Dave Anthony
So he called old Special Forces buddies and offers 7,000 war crimes expendables and offers $7,000.
Gareth Reynolds
Christ. Poultry.
Dave Anthony
For a cool secret mission.
Gareth Reynolds
Do you guys want to go on a mission? I don't have a lot.
Dave Anthony
That's actually a lot back then.
Gareth Reynolds
Is it?
Dave Anthony
That's a pretty good amount of money back.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
The new team also has green. It has Green Berets, but it also has some unconventional type of people you might not expect to be on a POW rescue mission.
Gareth Reynolds
This is arm.
Dave Anthony
They had a famous POW MIA advocate, Ann Mills Griffith.
Gareth Reynolds
Hello.
Dave Anthony
A psychic.
Gareth Reynolds
I sense that there are war crimes coming.
Dave Anthony
A hypnotherapist.
Gareth Reynolds
I. Look into the. Where's that watch? Look at the watch. There you go.
Dave Anthony
They all got together at a.
Gareth Reynolds
So you're gonna take a psychic to find POWs that don't exist?
Dave Anthony
Yeah. You bring a talking head lady who's just like, I don't know, Ann Coulter of POWs, and you take a hypnotherapist and a psychic. And a psychic.
Gareth Reynolds
What do you say?
Dave Anthony
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Gareth Reynolds
They're definitely Asian.
Dave Anthony
Are they Asian?
Gareth Reynolds
You two don't work together anymore. You. You two steer clear of each other. You're kind of. You're kind of ruining each other's JoJo over there.
Dave Anthony
So move apart so they go and train at a Florida cheerleading camp.
Gareth Reynolds
All right, guys, now we're doing a pyramid. And we're gonna get it right. And we're gonna beat those girls from Clarkton.
Dave Anthony
Fuck Clarkton.
Gareth Reynolds
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Hypnotherapy. Lady.
Dave Anthony
Beau invited two reporters to watch the training, as you would do for Secret.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, he's probably just trying to get ahead of the terrible things. No, this is a PR stunt.
Dave Anthony
Well, he threatened to kill them if they compromise it by reporting too early. He. He was like, we're going to rescue POW guys, so we want someone to get the whole story. So when we get back, it'll be superhero.
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
Dave Anthony
Where other missions like this involved rehearsing raids in exact replicas of prison compounds. Which is harder if you're. Because a chilling camp doesn't really. It's not really the same. Bo did. So Bo did it differently. He refused to show anyone the surveillance photo. So all of the guys who are working with him.
Gareth Reynolds
Can we just see the picture?
Dave Anthony
They don't. He won't show them the photo.
Gareth Reynolds
No, but trust me, it's real bad. Then can we see it?
Dave Anthony
Can you draw a picture for us? Like make a map?
Gareth Reynolds
No, no, but believe me, we got to get these guys out of there. We really got to make them.
Dave Anthony
Can you give us some indication of where we're going in and how to get out?
Gareth Reynolds
I can't compromise the mission right now.
Dave Anthony
We're the.
Gareth Reynolds
We're part of it. Yeah, a big part of it.
Dave Anthony
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Gareth Reynolds
A big part of it. But I will not be. This is a picture time. Trust me, okay? I know what I'm doing. Okay.
Dave Anthony
It seems like not.
Gareth Reynolds
I want you to take this gun on my table.
Dave Anthony
So instead of showing everyone the photo, he turned things over to the psychic who described the layout of the camp as she saw it from a vision.
Gareth Reynolds
There are many POWs and many Asians.
Dave Anthony
Oh, it's bad at this point about needing $7,000. I guess you're doing it because you really think there's POWs over there. But maybe there are.
Gareth Reynolds
Some are probably just, like, had something to do.
Dave Anthony
There are red flags.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. A psychic is a red flag. How sure are we in the mission? Well, this lady can count guards pretty good.
Dave Anthony
Are we going through. Are we going to come up on in boats? Are we going to go by foot?
Gareth Reynolds
I'm seeing us on rockets on our backs.
Dave Anthony
What's your son named? Tony.
Gareth Reynolds
I think he's here. It's a T name.
Dave Anthony
She described barbed wire tunnels, cell doors with dog tags on them. And seeing soldiers out in the jungle digging up bamboo shoots.
Gareth Reynolds
They're in the jungle? Well, bamboo mainly grows underground and is.
Dave Anthony
There is bamboo mostly Japanese thing. Is it in Vietnam?
Gareth Reynolds
Not right now. I'm seeing a lot of bamboo. But the Vietnam bamboo grows underground towards the earth's core. And they're making our poor boys dig it up.
Dave Anthony
Why?
Gareth Reynolds
Because they want them to go make really cool. A really cool tiki bar. They really want a tiki bar.
Dave Anthony
Do you see pandas?
Gareth Reynolds
There are a lot of pandas there too. And they are eating the bamboo. And. Oh, no. But one of our boys is in trouble.
Dave Anthony
Is it Tony? Is it my son?
Gareth Reynolds
It is Tony. Tony's there and the panda is trying to get the bamboo out of Tony's hands, but Tony turned it into like a bow weapon. Oh. And he's. He's poking the. The panda with it. The Vic. Pandas. Pandas have a taste for humans and fighting and flesh and. And they. And.
Unknown
And he's.
Gareth Reynolds
And he put it through the panda's heart. Oh. And the panda's dead. And Tony's. Okay. And he. And he's taken the heart out.
Dave Anthony
Tony's seven, by the way.
Unknown
And Tony.
Gareth Reynolds
Tony took the heart out. And he's playing with it like it's a little train.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
He's on the ground and he's making choo choo noises. Okay. Yeah.
Dave Anthony
That's my Tony.
Gareth Reynolds
And wow, what a. I'm retired. Very tired.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
It really takes it out of me.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
There's so much creativity I have to do.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
It's difficult.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Why don't you take a nap for a long time? Now that they know exactly what to expect at the prison camp from the psychic.
Gareth Reynolds
We've got this.
Dave Anthony
It was time.
Gareth Reynolds
I know just where we'll park.
Dave Anthony
It was time for Beau to reveal how they'd get there from the jungle. Bo just received a state of the art experimental transportation device. An inflatable airplane.
Gareth Reynolds
So.
Dave Anthony
So just think about that.
Gareth Reynolds
No, no.
Dave Anthony
Think about it from a physics standpoint.
Gareth Reynolds
It's all I'm thinking about.
Dave Anthony
So.
Gareth Reynolds
We will be floating over there.
Dave Anthony
Yes.
Gareth Reynolds
A 747 balloon.
Dave Anthony
Well, it looks like a big flamingo.
Gareth Reynolds
Yes.
Dave Anthony
It's also in the summer. It's using a pool.
Gareth Reynolds
Is this. What does it. What am I?
Dave Anthony
I don't know. I have no answers. One team member.
Gareth Reynolds
If you weren't. Or you're like, man, I'm kind of getting cold feet. Hey, hear him out. We will be leaving the jungle on an inflatable plane.
Dave Anthony
Will they be shooting at us?
Gareth Reynolds
Yes. We will all have to stop down and blow it up. And we'll probably get a little light headed from doing it. And when you take your lips off, make sure to put your thumb over the little pluggy bit. Otherwise you'll lose your breath. Work, work.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
All right. This is gonna be great. This is gonna work out good.
Dave Anthony
One team member imagined hiding in the jungle under the COVID of darkness, fervently blowing air into the nozzle. Morale was not great.
Gareth Reynolds
Nope.
Dave Anthony
Now, once they made it into the enemy camp, Beau had a plan for the assault. They'd kill the guards.
Gareth Reynolds
We have inflatable guns.
Dave Anthony
Rescue the pow.
Gareth Reynolds
Everything here is inflatable.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, it's.
Gareth Reynolds
This is a big easy to get in picture. A pool party for an eight year old. Everything here will be blown up with our mouths.
Dave Anthony
They'd rescue the pow as easy as that. But how would they get out, you might ask? And Beau imagined it going like this. The team would send word through a series of relay stations to the base commander at their hotel, who would call.
Gareth Reynolds
Great job in this.
Dave Anthony
Anna Mills Griffith, who was in Washington D.C. who would call her people at the DIA. Who would call the White House. And then the President would call the 7th Fleet to send in helicopters to rescue everyone. It's a good. It's solid. It's a solid. There's no way that communication could break down to preserve.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm starting to think this guy doesn't know what he's doing to preserve.
Dave Anthony
Mission secrecy. Nobody in the government, including the president, was to know anything about the mission until those calls went out.
Gareth Reynolds
Now see, that's a problem. No, no, no. The President's supposed to know that stuff. That's how you get reassurance. They'll come pick you up.
Dave Anthony
No, it's outside the law. Oh, no, that was the other thing. But this is also outside the law. We can't. The President can't know because it's. You can't have soldiers in another country.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, boy, do I have a future for you.
Dave Anthony
So bro Bo brings in more reporters to observe the training, which consisted of more.
Gareth Reynolds
The White House can't know about this, but he's doing press conferences.
Dave Anthony
No, no, he's just bringing the reporters. Like embed him? Yeah, yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, are they going with them?
Dave Anthony
No. Well, they're just. They're just coming to the training camp, Right? Okay, they might go with them, but.
Gareth Reynolds
Still it's like you're, like you Have a couple. Yeah, a couple reporters know about it. Now you're just like, we need a team.
Dave Anthony
We need a bunch of reporters.
Gareth Reynolds
So who is not familiar with inflatable plane? It's pretty exciting.
Dave Anthony
So the training consisted of morning and evening exercise sessions, group hypnosis, and church.
Gareth Reynolds
It's like an Eat, Pray, love.
Dave Anthony
Well, if they had done this from the beginning of Vietnam, they would have won.
Gareth Reynolds
Absolutely.
Dave Anthony
Bo was the preacher, oh God, telling his team, quote, he had been ordained by God to rescue POWs and that team members were his disciples. So it's fine. It's all. This is what you want to hear when you're about to go on a mission of this type which isn't real.
Gareth Reynolds
Who ordained you?
Dave Anthony
God got.
Gareth Reynolds
Don't you have to take some sort of training? God said, I don't.
Dave Anthony
No, he's good with it.
Gareth Reynolds
We're fine.
Dave Anthony
One reason you don't invite journalists to see your training, Kind of obvious they checked your sources, right? So Bo bragged that the operation was being funded with 300. $300,000 from Federal Express.
Gareth Reynolds
What the fuck?
Dave Anthony
The shipping company.
Gareth Reynolds
So he's just out of his mind. This guy's just out of his mind about to go rescue POWs that don't exist on a plane that is inflatable. And it's all funded by somewhere that mails packages.
Dave Anthony
Federal Express.
Gareth Reynolds
Like, if you're a reporter and you're like, I'm a little skeptical. Don't worry. This whole thing's being funded by Arby's.
Dave Anthony
Federal Express obviously heard about the operation. When reporters called to ask them about it before. That's how they found out about it. That's how the.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, okay. Right.
Dave Anthony
No, yeah. Before it's happened. Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
The reporters call, so the White House can't know about this, but Federal Express is like, wait, sorry, there's a powder. Wait, what? We need to seal every lip except for these 18 journalists who can follow up the source.
Dave Anthony
We'll get it there overnight, including POWs.
Gareth Reynolds
If the plane doesn't inflate. Federal Express has agreed to shift bus at half the rate.
Dave Anthony
Bo still sent two team members to collect the money. So he. So from Federal Express. So he lied. Reporters checked up on it and said, federal Express doesn't know what the you're talking about.
Gareth Reynolds
And he was like.
Dave Anthony
And to double down, he sent two men to get the money.
Gareth Reynolds
Go get it. Where did they go? Just to a Federal Express Kos headquarters. What the fuck? We're here to meet Mr. Federal Express.
Dave Anthony
And the two team members get screamed at by a corporate executive. And then they quit. The mission, not Federal Express, is never part of it. The two team members.
Gareth Reynolds
Are you guys hiring? Oh, my God.
Dave Anthony
We're not ups.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
Dave Anthony
So broke.
Gareth Reynolds
Why are you quitting? What do you mean? It's all been pretty good so far.
Dave Anthony
So broken. Nervous that word of the mission would get out, Bo changed course and move them to a hunting lodge. So now they're out of nature. And Beau felt the word of the Lord running through him.
Gareth Reynolds
How old is Bo right now?
Dave Anthony
I want to say. No, no, no, no, no.
Gareth Reynolds
45.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, around. Oh, yeah. Around middle age.
Gareth Reynolds
Wow.
Dave Anthony
So he feels the Lord running through him, being in this nature sort of area. He held services. He forced the men to hold hands and sing hymns. Five men quit. They're like, okay, that's. I was with you. Everything but the holding hands thing.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm out.
Dave Anthony
The chairman of the National League of Families, which is the biggest organization devoted to POWs and MIAs, came to visit the camp and don't tell anyone. He was immediately horrified to learn that zero of the men had been paid. So no one's been paid. These guys have been at training camp for a while. Nobody's been paid. And they had all a bunch of been convinced to quit their jobs to participate. So the chairman right there writes a check for 20 grand for them and their families.
Gareth Reynolds
Wow.
Dave Anthony
And three days later, the Orlando Sentinel went ahead and published their story on the front page.
Gareth Reynolds
This is for the mission that we can't tell anyone about.
Dave Anthony
That's right.
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
Dave Anthony
So B scraps the mission. Well, I guess you didn't want the poy Pow is enough.
Gareth Reynolds
Imagine when, like, someone tells him it's on the COVID of the, like, an Orlando paper. Like, wow.
Dave Anthony
It's like you can't invite reporters to your clandestine training camp anymore.
Gareth Reynolds
How the hell they find out someone here squeal killed.
Dave Anthony
So he didn't kill a reporter.
Gareth Reynolds
He didn't kill a reporter.
Dave Anthony
Remember he said he's gonna kill. He didn't kill.
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
Dave Anthony
So Bo canceling the operation isn't great news for the remaining mercenaries. Operators, wherever they are, they're stuck in Florida. They have no money and they have no way home. They're just stuck. So the National League of Families chairman again opens a checkbook and writes them all checks so they can get home to their families.
Gareth Reynolds
Like, if you're there where the guy's like, dude, I'm gonna buy him plane tickets they don't need to fly. I might have an inflatable jeep they can all go on that. It'll be fine.
Dave Anthony
But also embarrassing for the guys who did this. Going back to the families and going.
Gareth Reynolds
You make it up. You make it up.
Dave Anthony
Make it up. You make it.
Gareth Reynolds
How was it? You look great, considering what you must have gone through.
Dave Anthony
I didn't eat much.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
Dave Anthony
We know. We trained and we were like in the jungle. All right, well, you must have.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, come here, you. You need a nice clean bath. So there were in a blowjob?
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
How tough was the mission?
Dave Anthony
Well, it was like being a cheerleader at a camp. Really?
Gareth Reynolds
What?
Dave Anthony
Yeah, it was hard. Wow. And then we were camping in the forest.
Gareth Reynolds
Ah, the jungle.
Dave Anthony
No.
Gareth Reynolds
And then how did you get to the POW base?
Dave Anthony
We didn't.
Unknown
How many.
Gareth Reynolds
How many gu did you release?
Dave Anthony
You say? Nine.
Gareth Reynolds
Nine men.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, get that dong out of your pants.
Dave Anthony
Okay. It's my network, cuz. It's sad.
Gareth Reynolds
What?
Dave Anthony
It's been humiliated by our country.
Gareth Reynolds
Are you looking directly into your camera?
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Isn't that what we do for this kind of thing?
Gareth Reynolds
No.
Dave Anthony
12 years. 12 years later. Okay, the guy was still mad at Bo, the guy who wrote the checks.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. I bet he's furious.
Dave Anthony
He told the Senate committee that Bo had hoodwinked him and the men. And he wasn't angry about wasting 30,000 on a mission and ever off get off the ground. He just wanted accountability. Quote, this committee has a responsibility to investigate and where necessary, prosecute these incredible liars because. Yeah, because when there's something like a belief that there's POWs out there, then, and there isn't, then all that comes out of the woodwork is grifters.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Now he's a grifter for sure.
Dave Anthony
Well, that's a. I mean, I don't know.
Gareth Reynolds
He's also just maybe nuts. He's wore nuts.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, he's nuts. Like, he's nuts.
Gareth Reynolds
He wants there to be a mission.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, he does.
Gareth Reynolds
Big time.
Dave Anthony
Boat. Quickly recoup.
Gareth Reynolds
Dad, what do you think? Where are you at on this one? Dad?
Dave Anthony
I'm just really disappointed. And I wish I had died twice. Once as a person and then again as a ghost, so I didn't have to see any of this.
Gareth Reynolds
My father thinks two men should go to Federal Express.
Dave Anthony
So he recoups his losses and sets off on another mission, officially called Operation Grand Eagle, code name Boa Bend over. Here it comes again.
Gareth Reynolds
What? Like, come on, you're doing Concept Wars.
Dave Anthony
Former Laotian General Vang Pao and Congressman Robert Dornan. Okay, that's a bad sign. When Robert Dornan comes in on. Robert Doran was one of the OG magas.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, wow.
Dave Anthony
Before maga, he was mad. Right. Congressman Robert Dornan were both behind the plot, as was the CIA. When Dornan called the CIA to get a lowdown on the funding, CIA Deputy Director Bobby Ray Inman told him this is the first he was hearing about it and the mission was immediately canceled.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, what the Bend over one.
Dave Anthony
So he did it again. He did it again. He started up another one. No one was actually doing it.
Gareth Reynolds
Found out earlier.
Dave Anthony
He keeps saying there's funding and there's never funding.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, yeah. He's doing pyramid missions.
Dave Anthony
Bo, he's not. He's not going to give up on the POWs now. He's going to take another crack at it. This time for money. He would raise himself.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, no.
Dave Anthony
He called this Operation Lazarus. He made contacts overseas like the Deputy Premier of Laos who would rent bow his army.
Gareth Reynolds
Rent bow his arm.
Dave Anthony
That's correct. An American professional POW hunter and low. The guy who had grifted everyone about Peter in the first place.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
So Bo is, you know, the CIA or the DIA or any other three letter group get in his way.
Gareth Reynolds
This nobody's allowed to. Yeah. Death. There's really.
Dave Anthony
Obviously that means he has to go straight to Reagan. He just needs someone who can access.
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
Dave Anthony
The President.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Somehow, some way, he finds one actor. Clint Eastwood.
Gareth Reynolds
What.
Dave Anthony
Right wing lunatic who would later talk to a chair. Clint was so into the idea of this mission that he gave both 30,000 to fund it.
Gareth Reynolds
We will find them.
Dave Anthony
We're gonna get them. Bo now realizes Hollywood is a good source for money.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh my God.
Dave Anthony
So he sets up actors. He sets up a $10,000 sale of a book and movie rights with another actor, William Shatner. I will get them.
Gareth Reynolds
I can't believe there's P. Oh W's.
Dave Anthony
Hollywood likes bo, which is why. Idiots, he would later say they made the Rambos movie after him.
Gareth Reynolds
No, because he went on missions.
Dave Anthony
Of course. The first Rambo movie is based on a book written before Bo did a POW rescue mission.
Gareth Reynolds
That. That doesn't mess with what I said.
Dave Anthony
But Rambo 2 kind of seems based on the type of operation Bo was raising money for, so.
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
Dave Anthony
So Lytton Industries, which is now part of Northrop Grumman, which is a weapons maker. We're great. One of our best. Ponied up 50 grand and use of their high tech equipment.
Gareth Reynolds
This is again to go find people who aren't there.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Including a set of sophisticated communication devices. Designed for use in a nuclear war. And they are worth millions of dollars.
Gareth Reynolds
BO must have jizzed his army.
Dave Anthony
Oh, my God. He bowed all over his pants.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, he bowed A load.
Dave Anthony
They bought a load from Prisoners of Hope by Susan Katz Keating, quote. Through a series of mishaps, grights wound up grossly unprepared for a cross border foray. The former Deputy Premier swindled. So the guy who was going to help and give him men swindled, gripes out of 6000 and are nagged on the offer to rent GR his army.
Gareth Reynolds
So he just. This is. This is before the mission though.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. So the grifter got grifted.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. The.
Gareth Reynolds
Where are the men?
Dave Anthony
The professional POW hunter who was paid 5,000 for use of his boat and never got the boat. Clint Eastwood did not tell Reagan to send in rescue helicopters. A contact who was supposed to supply guns apparently lost the key to the locker that held the weapons.
Gareth Reynolds
What?
Dave Anthony
That happened?
Gareth Reynolds
This is like.
Dave Anthony
That happened.
Gareth Reynolds
This is the opposite of the Ocean's eleven crew.
Dave Anthony
How are you going to get into a gun locker if you don't have the key? There's no way. It's over. The mission's over.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, unfortunately, all the guns are in there. I'd shoot the lock off.
Dave Anthony
That's a combination.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Sucks too. We're so close to being able to do this.
Dave Anthony
And finally, the $27,000 payroll for the men of Operation Lazarus mysteriously disappeared.
Gareth Reynolds
FedEx. Go get it, boys.
Dave Anthony
So it's looking like the Miss Miss this Mission, like the other ones would end before it even started.
Gareth Reynolds
Damn it. This is Lazarus.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. But Mo makes up his mind. They're going to go on.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, none of this.
Dave Anthony
None of this shit's going to stop him. Why would it?
Gareth Reynolds
Because of everything that they need is gone.
Dave Anthony
Well, they still have feet.
Gareth Reynolds
Feet.
Dave Anthony
And so they marched through the jungle 65 miles despite vocal objections from the men. Between the 19 of them, they had three weapons. Well, because the guy lost the key. So.
Gareth Reynolds
The rest of you boys just hold. Hold leaves.
Dave Anthony
We're going to snap next.
Gareth Reynolds
The others will massage the others. We'll do massage trains.
Dave Anthony
They were going to meet with a team of hastily hired Laotian mercenaries at a rendezvous point and then march to the rescue site, at which at this point, doesn't exist. There's no rescue site. So that's a problem.
Gareth Reynolds
I think everything's a problem.
Dave Anthony
But two days in, they were ambushed.
Gareth Reynolds
Been the easiest ambush ever. They're like, lay down your gun, all of you.
Dave Anthony
That's all that's all we have.
Gareth Reynolds
All of you.
Dave Anthony
We were sharing.
Gareth Reynolds
Put all of you. There's only three here. There's 19 of you. Put your guns down.
Dave Anthony
We are. We believe in sharing.
Gareth Reynolds
Put your guns down.
Dave Anthony
We did.
Gareth Reynolds
Search them, boys. They don't have any guns. You have three guns. Yeah. You didn't. What are you doing?
Dave Anthony
We're going to get.
Gareth Reynolds
We're gonna let you go.
Dave Anthony
I just want to get paid, man. I just want to get paid. I left my job.
Gareth Reynolds
That's what we want, too.
Dave Anthony
I worked at Handles. Handles Ice cream.
Gareth Reynolds
Handles Ice cream.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm barely speaking English. I'm just not doing the accent.
Dave Anthony
You're not doing. Why aren't you doing the accent?
Gareth Reynolds
Stop asking.
Dave Anthony
Please do Laotian.
Gareth Reynolds
No.
Dave Anthony
Please do your layers.
Gareth Reynolds
I will not be doing that.
Dave Anthony
How about improv is a little more real than this?
Gareth Reynolds
I don't think it.
Dave Anthony
Okay, so one American is captured, and the team gets ready for a counterattack. But Bo, finally, for the first time, in a position to actually rescue a pow, orders them to retreat.
Gareth Reynolds
He has a pow.
Dave Anthony
I think they got guns from the Laotians that they met up with. They must have more guns at this point. Anyway, they leave the guy behind.
Gareth Reynolds
So that's what you're supposed to do.
Dave Anthony
They run back to Thailand, help. And that. That actually escaping didn't go well. For example, one of the guys impaled his foot on a tree branch. Other men got swept away by the Mekong river and almost died. So the retreat was also bad.
Gareth Reynolds
So he's losing men on a mission to save men that don't exist.
Dave Anthony
That's right. So. So they get back to Thailand. Good news, bad news situation here. The good news is the prisoner's okay. The guy.
Gareth Reynolds
The prisoner they created.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. The bad news is that he's being held for ransom for 17,500 now by the former deputy premier who had helped plan the mission. Oh, my God.
Gareth Reynolds
Was like, where do you think you'll be? Where are you looking to meet up?
Dave Anthony
So he's the one who sent the. He's the one.
Gareth Reynolds
So clearly.
Dave Anthony
So he got. He already got 6,000 by scamming them, and now he's getting.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay, so, by the way, there's our hero. Yeah, that guy's the best.
Dave Anthony
So Bo doesn't have the money, and he's too embarrassed to tell anybody that he didn't just fail the POW rescue mission.
Gareth Reynolds
He created a mission. He created his own mission.
Dave Anthony
Well, now there is.
Gareth Reynolds
He went on a fake mission, and now he has a mission, and now he doesn't know what to do.
Dave Anthony
And now there actually is a pow. Finally, there's.
Gareth Reynolds
We got to find money. Wait, why don't we go break him out? What are you talking about? We can't do that. It's impossible.
Dave Anthony
So he just goes. He just leaves. He goes back to America.
Gareth Reynolds
What the fuck? What the actual fuck?
Dave Anthony
What are you going to do?
Gareth Reynolds
Well, you.
Unknown
This is like what you've been training.
Gareth Reynolds
Everyone for for like 20 years.
Unknown
Earth.
Gareth Reynolds
So the family's like, how did the mission go? He sends a po. What?
Dave Anthony
The opposite happened. We made one.
Gareth Reynolds
We made one. We went there to stop him, but we made one. So you try to rescue him?
Dave Anthony
We just. We ran, we took off. They were tree branches.
Gareth Reynolds
We went to. Well, Clark hurt his foot real bad.
Dave Anthony
Bad.
Gareth Reynolds
So we had to go back real quick. And then we had three guns. Yeah, we. Well, well, no, we. More eventually. But. But that guy, the guy we got the guns from, eventually, well, he ripped us off and he took him back.
Dave Anthony
And then he took a pow.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, that's where you're. Yeah.
Dave Anthony
So people are playing fair.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. But the good news is if we get a little bit of funding, we can get over there and probably try to get your boy back.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
No man left behind. That's what we say, man.
Dave Anthony
That's what we say. Except for him.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, yeah, yeah. Him we left behind.
Dave Anthony
We left him behind.
Gareth Reynolds
But because again, Clark's foot was so bad. I mean like a tree went through it. It's a freaking.
Dave Anthony
It freaked me out.
Gareth Reynolds
I don't know what you want like us to do, but he really hurt his foot. So do you have any money? We really need some.
Dave Anthony
So he's back in America trying to get money for his next mission called Operation Lazarus Omega.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, because it's better.
Dave Anthony
But an opportunity presents itself. Litten Industries came calling after their million dollar equipment government sending an executive to Beau who would ban a pow. So this guy has been a pow. And Beau told him he kind of lost one of the million dollar boxes in Laos.
Gareth Reynolds
He did.
Dave Anthony
But he would give the rest of the boxes back for 50 grand.
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, there are flashes of me liking this guy.
Dave Anthony
The executive disagreed with this plan on.
Gareth Reynolds
The grounds that they loaned it to him and he lost one. And they're not going to pay him for the stuff they already have.
Dave Anthony
And he asked for his property back. He's like, that's my property. So Bo goes to the LA Times and places an ad for a one day discreet sale of highly valuable military equipment. And the executive caved. And gave Beau $40,000. Gareth, Operation Lazarus Omega is a go. We're gonna save POWs. Finally up funding.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
Dave Anthony
So with this money right now, this is official. He's got real money now. So he brings in two blonde women. Once they were in Thailand, another team member asked Beau why he's bringing two young, attractive blonde women on a covert mission. And Bo said that the girls needed him to be their Lawrence of Laos. In part, to shut that team member up, Beau used operational funds to send sex workers to his rooms. So Beau brought two sex workers with him to.
Gareth Reynolds
And then when the guy was like, what are you doing here? Like, take sex workers. Wait, what? Trust me, we have money this time. We can have a little fun before we go on the mission. And is the mission. What is the mission now? To go save the guy that behind?
Dave Anthony
Oh, yeah, probably. Yeah, maybe.
Gareth Reynolds
Among others. He's still trying to go get the ones that don't.
Dave Anthony
Well, yeah, he's still trying to get the ones that don't aggress the guy. The. Finally, the guy that Bo abandoned is released, but not had nothing to do with Bo.
Gareth Reynolds
He was like, hey, we did it. We did it. Hey.
Dave Anthony
Well, while the prisoner is being held, he found an explosive device, and he put it around his neck, and he said he'd blow the place up if he wasn't freed. So they let him go.
Gareth Reynolds
That's the grenade trick. Just like I taught you.
Dave Anthony
So Beau is determined to get to that prison camp and free those POWs. So he and his team leaves, but instead of going to the jungle, they just hung out in a series of safe houses and a rock quarry. These are all owned by Low, the original grifter guy. Meanwhile, the Bangkok Post runs a front page story about Bo's current mission. And because of the story, Thai authorities have reason to believe Beau has had smuggled in illegal spy radio equipment.
Gareth Reynolds
100%.
Dave Anthony
He had or he had before. If he didn't this time, he did before for sure.
Gareth Reynolds
His missions, he. There's no covert nature to any of these missions. Everyone knows.
Dave Anthony
Everyone's talking. That's a problem.
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, you're on the front page with your covert mission.
Dave Anthony
You would think once burned.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, it would be like we got a bat in the hatch.
Dave Anthony
So here's what I'm thinking. So I know we got burned because we brought in reporters. So this time I'm thinking reporters and sex workers.
Gareth Reynolds
So we're just going to bring sex workers for this one, right?
Dave Anthony
Because they don't.
Gareth Reynolds
They famously, as we all know, they.
Dave Anthony
Don'T say anything tight lipped.
Gareth Reynolds
Absolutely.
Dave Anthony
Well, so the Thai government raids one of Lowe's safe houses where they found a blonde woman, a team member and a ton of radio equipment. And they charged them and low posted their bond. So one of the sex workers got arrested for having spy radio equipment.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, she was just like. Wait, what?
Dave Anthony
Still hiding in a rock quarry.
Gareth Reynolds
Bo never leave a sex work of a house.
Dave Anthony
Still hiding in a rock quarry. Bo wrote a letter declaring that he had found proof of POWs. He also said he was working with the DIA and CIA. And he handed the letter to a courier to give to the Bangkok correspondent of the LA Times and made him tell the correspondent that Beau brought this letter all the way from a secret camp in Laos.
Gareth Reynolds
What?
Dave Anthony
On the day his team members were supposed to turn themselves in because obviously the word's out. Now, Beau showed up allegedly right from the jungle to surrender. But photos taken of the event show Beau as completely clean shaven and freshly showered.
Gareth Reynolds
I was at a Holiday Inn. I'll be honest. I. Bear Grylls did.
Dave Anthony
Nobody thought he was more ready to believe his own defense attorney in a Thai courtroom than Bo grabbed his own. Yeah, he's gonna be his own. Of course he is.
Gareth Reynolds
This kid is checking every box.
Dave Anthony
Yes, every box. Of course he's gonna be his own.
Gareth Reynolds
If only we could. If I could have a thimble size of the confidence.
Dave Anthony
So he tries to show up in his military uniform with all the medals. House.
Gareth Reynolds
Right, See that?
Dave Anthony
But the Thai government won't let.
Gareth Reynolds
I got a lot of these from killing people.
Dave Anthony
I know it's not going to help you in a Thai courtroom.
Gareth Reynolds
You know, I guess in retrospect, you guys probably don't love this. These are.
Dave Anthony
This is for killing some of the people, you know, and that was I killed 400 people. Thinking quickly, Bo did the next best thing.
Gareth Reynolds
Naked.
Dave Anthony
Have Low show up to the courtroom with the uniform and paraded rest out so he couldn't wear it. But he had him.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, gosh. Oh, come on. I don't know. Well, that's mine.
Dave Anthony
His antics went on there from there. He was basically so annoying that the Thai government promised to give up on any other punishments if he just left and never came back. No, that's their thing. They're like, you can never come back if you leave and go away forever. We will end this.
Gareth Reynolds
Objection.
Dave Anthony
He took the deal. Beau arrived back in America. There's a media firestorm. He does a tour of national TV shows promising that he'd reveal real evidence of POWs still being held prisoner in Laos. And when asked to produce the photos, both said the roll of film they were on was undeveloped. And this. I remember when he came. I remember this specifically because he is on all the shows and he is being talked about as this. He's there being. He's being treated like a hero instead of what he is, which is a fucking.
Gareth Reynolds
What are you doing? Yeah. Lunatic. Everyone's like, what's it like?
Dave Anthony
So that's the end of part one.
Gareth Reynolds
Part one is crazy.
Dave Anthony
Bo returns a military icon, a hero for doing nothing is wrong.
Gareth Reynolds
We are so incapable of anything. Yeah. I mean, it is shocking.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Talk shows.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
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We.
Gareth Reynolds
We were so primed for Trump.
Dave Anthony
We were.
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, we've just been like. We've just been making it. Just putting the butter in the pan for. It's time. Yeah, it was time.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
God, are we seasoned.
Dave Anthony
This isn't the only one. I'm. I'm currently writing one up of another guy that's just like this. This.
Gareth Reynolds
Sources or whatever.
Dave Anthony
Oh, yeah, sources. So this was written by Josh and Adowski. And Revolution of Small Guns by Adam Parfait. Prisoners of Hope by. That's in the San Diego Reader. Prisoners of Hope by Suzanne Katz, Keating R. Oh, no, I don't want to read that one. That one's not a source yet. It'll be a source in part three. Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, there you go.
Dave Anthony
There you go. America, we did it.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. All right, doll heads. Hope you're loving the dollop. I know I am.
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I don't know what episode this is. Anyway, listen, it's me, Gareth. I am on the road doing stand up comedy, which I know you all love. If you would like to see me go to GarethReynolds.com I'm gonna everywhere. Let's party. On July 24th, I will be at the Improv in Irvine, California. On August 5th, I'll be in Nashville at Zany's Lexington, Kentucky. And Comedy Off Broadway on August 6th. August 7th, I'll be in Huntsville, Alabama. Then I got a couple nights over at the Comedy catch in Chattanooga, Tennessee. August 8th through August 9th. I'll be in Atlanta, Georgia, August 10th.
Gareth Reynolds
10Th.
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Then I'll be at the Comedy Fort in Fort Collins. Last year, we broke the alcohol sales record. Let's do it again. That is August 22nd through the 23rd. And then I will be in Bozeman, Montana, September 5th through September 6th. That's Bozeman, Montana. Last best comedy. Then excited for a weekend at the comedy club. Of Kansas City, September 26th through the 27th, I'll be in Columbia, Missouri. September 28th, I'll be in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, September 30th. Come on, Milwaukee. You're my home place. I'll be at the skyline comedy club October 1st in Appleton, Wisconsin. Fort Wayne, Indiana. I'm gonna be there two shows on October 3rd, and then I will be at the den in Chicago, Illinois, on October 4th. And finally, Sunnyvale, California, November 6th through the 8th at Rooster T. Feathers. Garethreynolds.com for tickets and information. Let's go. You're part of the Garaforce.
Gareth Reynolds
Whoops.
Unknown
I almost messed that up.
Release Date: August 12, 2025
Podcast: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Hosts: Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Topic: Bo Gritz – A Controversial American Military Figure
The episode kicks off with Dave Anthony introducing the concept of The Dollop, where he narrates intriguing and often obscure stories from American history to Gareth Reynolds, who remains unaware of the subject beforehand.
Dave Anthony [04:43]: “In World War II, there were fairies and they needed people to pilot them.”
Gareth humorously engages with Dave, setting a lighthearted tone for the deep dive into Bo Gritz’s life.
Bo Gritz was born on January 18, 1939, in Enid, Oklahoma. His childhood was marked by the disappearance of his father during a World War II mission, leaving his mother, a wartime ferry pilot, often absent. Raised primarily by his grandparents, Bo developed an early obsession with the military, influenced by his grandmother's fictional war hero stories.
Gareth Reynolds [05:04]: “Well, there we go. So there it is.”
Dave Anthony [05:04]: “Grandma sent him on nightly make-believe missions with the ghost of his dead father.”
Timestamp: [05:04]
Bo's relentless pursuit of military greatness led him to enlist in the Army, bypassing traditional staff roles to rise through the ranks via active combat and special operations.
Bo Gritz's military career is embellished with numerous accolades, many of which are contested. He claims to have received over 60 medals, including distinctions like the Distinguished Flying Cross and multiple Purple Hearts. However, Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests reveal discrepancies, suggesting he may have awarded himself multiple medals, potentially even duplicating some.
Dave Anthony [17:16]: “But a Freedom of Information act request later seemed to show that Bo basically gave himself many of the medals.”
Gareth Reynolds [17:22]: “Oh, my God.”
Timestamp: [17:16]
His heroics reportedly include leading a daring raid to recover a lost U2 spy plane's black box in Cambodia, although accounts from fellow soldiers vary, with some asserting minimal or no confrontation during the mission.
Gareth Reynolds [14:13]: “Bo said he led his team behind enemy lines to the crash, but the box was gone.”
Timestamp: [14:13]
After the Vietnam War, Bo experienced significant moral turmoil, grappling with the lives he ended during his service. This internal conflict propelled him into advocacy for missing in action (MIA) soldiers, though his methods and credibility came under scrutiny.
Dave Anthony [17:01]: “I think if people like you, you get those easier.”
Gareth Reynolds [17:03]: “Yeah, Yeah, you do.”
Timestamp: [17:01]
His attempts to assist MIA families were marred by questionable operations and alleged fabrications, leading to skepticism from both the military establishment and the public.
In a bid to rescue alleged POWs in Laos, Bo Gritz orchestrated Operation Velvet Hammer. The mission was characterized by its lack of proper planning, reliance on unverified intelligence, and incorporation of unconventional team members like psychics and hypnotherapists.
Dave Anthony [36:00]: “Operation Velvet Hammer. Soft Hammer.”
Gareth Reynolds [36:02]: “I'm gonna hit you with a soft Hammer so soft.”
Timestamp: [36:00]
The operation, fueled by Bo's determination and dubious funding sources—including supposed support from Federal Express—fell apart almost immediately. Miscommunications, logistical failures, and the absence of any real intelligence led to an ambush where Bo's team, ill-equipped and underprepared, faced significant setbacks.
Gareth Reynolds [74:03]: “He just goes straight to Reagan.”
Timestamp: [74:03]
The mission ultimately failed to locate any POWs, revealing the depth of Bo's misconceptions and the inefficacy of his covert operations.
Despite the failures, Bo Gritz managed to cultivate a controversial public image. He appeared on national TV shows, asserting he had proof of POWs still held in Laos. However, media inquiries into his claims often resulted in vague responses, such as undeveloped film rolls that he promised to reveal later.
Dave Anthony [87:06]: “So that's the end of part one.”
Timestamp: [87:06]
His theatrical antics and persistent assertions kept him in the public eye, ironically reinforcing his status as a "hero" despite the lack of substantive evidence supporting his missions.
The episode concludes with Bo Gritz facing mounting pressure from governmental bodies and skepticism from the media. As his missions consistently falter, his reputation as a military icon continues to deteriorate, leaving listeners eager for the continuation in Part Two.
Gareth Reynolds [89:15]: “We are so incapable of anything. Yeah. I mean, it is shocking.”
Dave Anthony [89:17]: “Yeah.”
Timestamp: [89:15]
Dave Anthony [89:26]: “America, we did it.”
Timestamp: [89:26]
This episode delves into the enigmatic and controversial figure of Bo Gritz, presenting a narrative filled with ambition, moral conflict, and questionable endeavors. Through humorous banter and critical analysis, Dave and Gareth unravel the complexities of a man who straddled the line between heroism and delusion, setting the stage for an intriguing continuation in the subsequent episode.