Diddy’s Apology Letter Exposed & Donna Adelson’s Prison Reality | Hidden Killers Live

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Podcast Summary: "Diddy’s Apology Letter Exposed & Donna Adelson’s Prison Reality | Hidden Killers Live"

Podcast: The Downfall Of Diddy
Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Tony Brueski, Stacy Cole, Todd Michaels
Guest: Robin Dreeke (retired FBI special agent, behavioral analysis expert)

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Overview

This episode of "Hidden Killers Live" dives into two major true crime developments:

1. Sean 'P Diddy' Combs' conviction and apology letter: On the day of his sentencing for federal charges relating to prostitution and arranging illegal events, the panel examines Diddy's letter to the judge, analyzing its tone, intent, and what it reveals about his character. The team is sharply skeptical about Combs’ claims of contrition and rehabilitation.

2. Donna Adelson’s transition to prison life: Following her conviction for murder, the panel details what prison reality will look like for the socialite matriarch, offering a mix of firsthand accounts and institutional insight.

The episode is a blend of legal analysis, behavioral profiling, and critique of how high-profile criminals handle accountability, celebrity legacy, and image in the face of overwhelming evidence.

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1. The Case Against Sean 'P Diddy' Combs & His Apology Letter

The Charges & Sentencing Context

• Diddy was convicted on two counts: transporting individuals across state lines for prostitution and arranging illegal events with escorts and ex-partners.
• He was acquitted on racketeering and sex trafficking, a fact the hosts lament as a "sham" (07:36).
• At the time of recording, his actual sentence was still being deliberated.

Panel Analysis: Letter as Manipulation

• Hosts and expert panelist Robin Dreeke (ex-FBI) argue Diddy's apology is “a calculated reframe” (02:00), far more about reputation management than genuine remorse.

  • "He's not simply taking responsibility. He’s trying to reposition himself as a man deserving of mercy…trying to preserve his legacy, to shape the narrative before the judge even speaks." (Todd Michaels, 02:12)
  • Dreeke: “You don’t go from being what he's accused of to all of a sudden having this aha moment before he's sentenced.” (Robin Dreeke, 05:00)

• Diddy claims to have found sobriety, spiritual awakening, and is teaching a class in jail titled “Free Game”—with his name self-promoted in the brand (03:53, 04:08).

  • “I discovered the arc and came to where we are now. So then you ask yourself, had he not been in jail, would he have done such a philanthropic type thing?” (Tony Bruski, 04:07)
  • “He's teaching a class on how to be Diddy. Isn’t that telling?” (Tony Bruski, 27:41)

Key Letter Excerpts & Critique

Notable Quotes (AI Diddy, Letter, 08:13–09:59):

• "I want to apologize ... I take full responsibility ... my pain became my teacher. My sadness was my motivator. … The scene and images of me assaulting Cassie play over and over ... I literally lost my mind."
• "My domestic violence will always be a heavy burden that I will have to forever carry… I honestly feel sorry for something that I couldn't forgive someone else for if they put their hands on one of my daughters."

Panel Response:

• Stacy Cole: “It sounds like lyrics, like he is writing a song.” (Stacy Cole, 10:37)
• Tony Bruski: “There's a good number of statements in there that are focused on how he feels and the impact on him. But if you're victim focused...you wouldn't say anything about the impact on you.” (Tony Bruski, 11:50)
• The remorse is largely performative and self-focused, not truly about the victims.

Behavioral Analysis:

• Diddy is “controlling the narrative,” (Todd Michaels, 13:13), attempting to be seen as an advocate now.
• The discussion likens public reactions to other disgraced celebrities like R. Kelly and Michael Jackson, noting society’s difficulty separating art from abuse.

Redemption & Narcissism Debate:

• Dreeke: “People like this, they are either redeemable or they are not. ... I don't think a person like that can truly be changed. I just don't.” (Todd Michaels, 20:19)
• Cole raises the question of substance abuse’s role, asking if (hypothetically) sobriety could open a true path to redemption. The panel, and especially Dreeke, are skeptical: “He never hit bottom ... he even said the word uncomfortable. Is that really a bottom where you can have these aha moments?” (Tony Bruski, 23:00)
• The letter is deemed full of strategic, manipulative language—with multiple efforts to elicit the judge’s “sympathy as a lever of influence.” (Tony Bruski, 42:00)

The Judge’s Reaction:

• “The judge says Combs' defense narrative is flatly inconsistent with both reality and his accepting responsibility.” (Todd Michaels, 43:22)
• “In general, the narrative that he and his attorneys have put forth, that this case involves nothing more than adults paying for time, not sex, is flatly inconsistent with both reality and his accepting responsibility.” (Judge, read at 43:31)

Public Memory & Legacy

• Panels worry about public “forgetting” or dissociating the crimes from Diddy’s cultural legacy.
  • “The public’s ability to forget. ...We have a hard time separating the two.” (Todd Michaels, 14:14)
• Concerns raised that Diddy’s continued influence, teaching, and “Free Game” class may serve as inspiration for inmates’ own narcissistic ambitions, not genuine rehabilitation.

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2. Donna Adelson’s Prison Reality

Scene: Donna’s Prison Transport

• The show pivots to live footage and discussion of Donna Adelson post-conviction, being transported to prison.
• The tone lightens but remains critical, mocking her demeanor and apparent lack of remorse: “She does have a few moments...of getting a little what looks like upset, but upset to Donna apparently is not upset to the rest of us.” (Robin Dreeke, 64:40)

What Prison Will Be Like

• Donna will likely go to Lowell Correctional Institution, described as “one of the country’s largest and most troubled women’s facilities.” (Todd Michaels, 73:19)
  • “2020 DOJ report found widespread sexual abuse by staff and systematic failures to protect inmates.” (Todd Michaels, 73:33)
  • The prison is overcrowded, hot (routinely over 100°F inside), noisy, and lacks privacy or sufficient medical care for elderly inmates like Donna (Stacy Cole, 80:07).

Prognosis for Donna’s Adaptation

• Panel doubts Donna’s ability to survive or thrive:
  • “I don't think she has the mental ability [to cope]. This is someone … always wanted to be above and beyond everybody else.” (Todd Michaels, 93:48)
  • “This may be the first time in her life she doesn't have the control she's always had.” (Robin Dreeke, 92:53)
  • Speculation that Donna will struggle, both physically and mentally; suicide watch and severe decline are considered likely (Stacy Cole, 79:55).

Prison Culture Commentary

• Currency in prison consists of commissary items; Donna’s outside financial resources may make her a target or give her some limited leverage (91:22).
• The group jokes about potential “grandma gangs” and crafting alliances, but overall expects social isolation due to her status and personality.

Broader Points on Corrections

• Concerns voiced about the wider state of the US penal system:
  • “There's so little oversight in these facilities ... you're at the mercy of who's privately running most of these facilities. … It’s a whole other world.” (Todd Michaels, 74:40)

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3. Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

On Diddy’s Letter:

• “The remorse is strategic. It’s sympathy as a lever of influence.” (Tony Bruski, 42:00)
• “He’s teaching a class on how to be Diddy. Is he really redeemed?” (Tony Bruski, 27:41)
• “If you’re able to beat your woman, … that’s in you. … You may change your ways and go, well, it’s not for me anymore because it makes other people look at me like I’m a monster—it’s because you’re a fucking monster.” (Todd Michaels, 26:28)

On Society’s Role:

• “I think it’s beyond an epidemic of narcissists out there that will look at this and go, well, I’m gonna learn from him.” (Tony Bruski, 29:19)
• “If you want to learn how to be a loser, just take this class. I think it’s a fantastic idea.” (Tony Bruski, 32:15)

On Celebrity and Justice:

• “You could almost get away with doing what he did. And maybe he kind of is, to be honest with you.” (Robin Dreeke, 31:11)

On Donna in Prison:

• “She is just sitting there. Can she look out the window? … Can we stop for coffee? I’m thirsty.” (Stacy Cole, 65:10 and Robin Dreeke, 65:18)
• “This may be the first time in her life she doesn’t have the control she’s always had.” (Robin Dreeke, 92:53)
• “I think she is a weak person behind bars.” (Todd Michaels, 93:15)

On Prison System Failures:

• “There should just be strict standards...But it also doesn’t have to be continually abusive either.” (Todd Michaels, 77:10)

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4. Timestamps for Key Segments

• Diddy’s conviction and letter context: 00:30–07:53
• Letter excerpt and panel analysis: 08:13–13:38, 32:38–38:20, 48:04–51:19
• Narcissism and redemption debate: 17:07–27:40
• Celebrity and public forgetting/legacy: 14:08–16:09 and 29:19–32:15
• Donna Adelson’s prison transport & initial reactions: 61:00–66:18
• Discussion of Lowell Correctional and prison realities: 73:19–80:08
• Donna’s potential adaptation or decline: 90:10–93:48

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5. Tone and Style

The episode oscillates between sharp-edged legal/behavioral commentary, gallows humor, and moments of pathos for victims lost in the celebrity narrative. The hosts are forthright, often irreverent, but underpinned by a clear belief in accountability and skepticism toward performative redemption from powerful personalities.

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6. Takeaways

• The Diddy apology letter is broadly viewed as manipulative, focused on self-preservation, and not true remorse.
• Diddy’s ongoing influence and image management pose real concerns about society’s ability to hold powerful people accountable amid a cult of celebrity.
• Donna Adelson faces a harsh, dangerous reality in prison, unlikely to adapt well given age, status, and lifelong privilege.
• The system’s flaws—whether in judging remorse or running ethical prisons—remain glaringly exposed by cases like these.

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For listeners:
This episode delivers a raw, detailed deconstruction of how image and manipulation surface not just in crimes, but in attempts to escape their consequences. It challenges the audience to think critically about redemption, legacy, and the all-too-often blurred lines between real contrition and calculated performance.

Transcript

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[Todd Michaels]

This is Hidden Killers live with Tony Brusky, Stacy Cole and Todd Michaels. It's the day of reckoning for Sean Diddy Combs. If you're watching us live, if you're not, well, the verdict is coming in. And Sean Diddy Combs, of course, standing condemned not by Gossip Collins, but by a jury in a federal courtroom. He's been convicted on two counts of transporting individuals across state line for prostitution, arranging freak off events with escorts and former partners. He escaped conviction on racketeering and sex trafficking charges. But those acquittals don't erase what he's been found guilty of doing. Now, on the eve, or now in the day actually, of his sentencing, Combs has submitted a letter to the judge. And it reads like contrition. And we're gonna hear it. We're gonna listen to the whole letter through, through a simulated voice of Diddy. And we'll hear, you know, kind of in his own words while we watch some fine footage that also defines the man. You know, just, you know, for context. The whole letter, like I said, it reads like contrition, but in reality, it's a calculated reframe. He highlights his charitable work, his family, his supposed spiritual awakening, and the classic tools in a narcissist playbook. He's not simply taking responsibility. He's trying to reposition himself as a man deserving of mercy. What Combs is really trying to avoid is a sentence that forces him to truly own the harm he inflicted. He's trying to preserve his legacy, to shape the narrative before the judge even speaks. He's not just pleading for a shorter prison term. He's pleading to remain in control of his image even as the system closes in. I don't think this is humility. It's a maneuver. And it's exactly the kind of move a narcissist makes when accountability is finally at the door. The victims and the record demand consequences, not spin. And that's what this sentencing will decide. So we don't even know what the sentencing is because Literally it's going on as we're recording this. We're gonna go through the letter and joining us to do that, we got Stacey, we got Todd, and we also have Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent, former chief of the counterint Intelligence behavioral analysis program. Diddy also started a class while he was in prison and he talks about it in the letter and it's one of those things he's putting up basically on his resume of, you know, dear judge, I think you should let me out because I'm gonna go inspire the world.

[Stacy Cole]

He's a scholar now.

[Todd Michaels]

I know. I said very early on in all this, I said, you know what's gonna happen? He's gonna come out of here and he's gonna become a preacher. Kind of feels like he almost might be doing that. What's your thoughts, Robin? Just here as we're about to go into sentencing and what you think he should get versus what you think he will get before we go into the letter and everything else.

[Tony Bruski]

What he should get versus what he will get, that's the big question. I can't believe he got acquitted on so many of the charges as it was. So I have no idea. I really don't have any idea. But what's interesting. So when I first saw about his class, the first thing that struck me was the class is about him. Because Diddy's in the title.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Tony Bruski]

Then of course, the curiosity strikes in. So I nearly did a deep dive. All right. How many other inmates conduct classes? How many do these things? And. And also then I said, how often has did he done these things in the past? When's the first time he did these things? So I'm always looking for what, that arc.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Tony Bruski]

And so I discovered the arc and came to where we are now. So then you ask yourself, had he not been in jail, would he have done such a philanthropic type thing?

[Todd Michaels]

No.

[Stacy Cole]

No.

[Tony Bruski]

So. So there's there. I don't see remorse here. I see. Now granted, the other first impression I had was, oh, this guy's genius. You know, Then you look at the content and I'm sure. So here's what's interesting. I'm sure, because is talented. And so this is where we see someone with that objective eye. He's got a lot of talent and he's got a lot to offer, but he's been so corrupted by that self serving narcissism that it's a shame it's getting lost in that because I'm sure, like when he first started his first school years ago, it was for inner city youth. You know, I'm trying to look through my notes right now to find a title of it. It got great reviews. He was doing good things. But then if you look at the arc of him doing that, those. Those things to serve a community, his involvement got more distant. He started handing it off to people. And even in the prison, I looked at this. He's got a teaching assistant. So how much is he really doing? I mean, who gets a teaching assistant? You're a freaking convict. It's a shame because I think people like him, you didn't get to where they are without having talent. And I get this feeling that it's being wasted. But, yeah, this is. To me, it's a. It's an arc. Part of his manipulation, because you don't go from being what he's accused of to all of a sudden having this aha moment before he's sentenced. You know, these are kind of things that you go to prison after 10, 15, 20 years. And during that process, then you have your aha moment. You know, the Titanic hits or is coming up on an iceberg. You turn that rudder hard over. Ship starts slowly moving, and you still hitting the iceberg, but not as much. So 0 to 100 on him. I don't believe it.

[Todd Michaels]

Wait till you hear the letter. And we'll break it down and we'll stop at places. But I also want to just. I also want to say 50 Cent also released a statement or a letter to the judge, if you will, this morning, and I'll read it right here. I'm going to have to turn to do this. I have had an ongoing dispute with Puffy for over 20 years. He's very dangerous. Starts Dear Judge Submarine. He's very dangerous. Multiple times I have feared for my life. I think you should consider this safety of the general public, your honor, before unleashing him upon them. There hasn't been enough time for him to reform or make any adjustments, despite his trying to teach a class in there. As you're already aware, the government has spent the maximum amount of money on deploying federal agencies, which appeared to be an army in two locations simultaneously. Later, his son, who's dealing with his own rape allegations, claimed that the feds had hit the wrong house. Anyway, Diddy's only going to return to hiring more male sex workers and keeping most of the baby oil away from the general public.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, my.

[Todd Michaels]

And babies need it, he says. My. My Netflix doc on this scandalous subject is coming soon. So I he. It's kind of A dig and kind of, I think, serious at the same time. But also, he's. He's been finding a lot of humor in the. The darkness of this as. As. As of we. But that's. That's the statement from 50 Cent this morning.

[Tony Bruski]

Look at behavior is rewarding. I mean, just. Even the acquittal. Look at the behavior. It's re. Rewarding. I really hope that the judge does some justice for the victims that didn't have justice by the fact of the sentence. Not the sentence, the convictions. I mean, what a. What a. What a sham.

[Todd Michaels]

Let's. Let's start to listen to the letter here and, and. And we'll stop if you want it to stop. If you want, raise your hand, throw something at your screen, do whatever you need to do, you know, just scream, stop. Something like that.

[Stacy Cole]

Careful what you wish for for Tony.

[Tony Bruski]

Sing a song.

[Todd Michaels]

All right, here we go.

[Sean Combs (AI voice reading letter)]

Dear Judge Subramania, I hope this letter finds you well and in good health and spirits. Thank you for the opportunity to express my thoughts to you. First and foremost, I want to apologize and say how sincerely sorry I am for all of the hurt and pain that I have caused others by my conduct. I take full responsibility and accountability for my past wrongs. This has been the hardest two years of my life, and I have no one to blame for my current reality and situation but myself. In my life, I have made many mistakes, but I am no longer running from them. I am so sorry for the hurt that I caused. But I understand that the mere words I'm sorry will never be good enough, as these words alone cannot erase the pain from the past. Over the past 13 months, I have had to look in the mirror like never before. My pain became my teacher. My sadness was my motivator. I have to admit, my downfall was rooted in my selfishness. The scene and images of me assaulting Cassie play over and over in my head daily. I literally lost my mind. I was dead wrong for putting my hands on the woman that I loved. I'm sorry for that and always will be. My domestic violence will always be a heavy burden that I will have to forever carry. The remorse, the sorrow, the regret, the disappointment, the shame. I honestly feel sorry for something that I couldn't forgive or someone else for if they put their hands on one of my daughters. This is why it is so hard for me to forgive myself. It is like a deep wound that leaves an ugly scar. Your Honor, I thought I was providing for Jane concerning her and her child, but after hearing her testimony, I realized that I Hurt her. For this, I am deeply sorry.

[Todd Michaels]

Let's pause.

[Sean Combs (AI voice reading letter)]

I got.

[Todd Michaels]

That's the part that he's talking about the relationships, about Cassie. And then there's the other Jane Doe that was brought up in the trial. That's who he's addressing there. But he's gonna go into other areas on this list. I wanna talk first about the Cassie and the other one that he thought he was providing for. What are you getting so far? And I should note this, too, that it's not Diddy actually reading this. So before you go. Oh, he sounds heartless. It's AI okay, that is an AI version of him reading the letter.

[Stacy Cole]

It feels like a song. It sounds like he just. He wrote, I can't. I haven't had coffee today. Help me. Sorry, let me start that over. It sounds like lyrics, like he is writing a song. Did it have kind of. I mean, obviously it was the cadence, but to me, it felt like he was. There was a bridge of some sort.

[Todd Michaels]

Oh, believe me, that idea ran through my mind last night when I was putting that together. I mean, I was like, literally thinking of, like, ooh, with AI, I could, like, literally turn this into lyrics. I could have him rap it. I could put it to beats. And then I said, it's midnight. I'd like to go to bed. And so you get classical music and Diddy reading it. That's what you got. But no, I mean. And look, it's very eloquently written, I'll give him that. He wrote it pretty well. And I'm guessing, you know, he had how long to craft this letter and really make sure the final edit was going to be solid. And if you don't understand human behavior and you don't understand the arc of his behavior, you don't understand his baseline. And you just are taking this at face value. It sounds like someone who's really reformed. And then you realize he's a raging narcissist.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, I mean, there's a good number of statements in there that are focused on how he feels and the impact on him. But if you're victim focused, which is what you should be, you wouldn't say anything about the impact on you. He should only be talking about if this is genuine, sincere, and he's empathetic, the impact on others. You know, again, we can compare and contrast. You know, just think. And I know I keep bringing this up because I think it's a great example of injustice in our system. Richard Allen. Richard Allen, who is convicted of murdering those two sweet little Girls. Everything he's ever said behind bars was the impact and being sorry for his wife. He never once said the suffering he went through, not once in anything he's ever said. And all you hear and hear for Diddy because he had 13 months of being uncomfortable is the impact on me. It's interesting too, because he's bringing up. I mean, to me this is a. It's just strategic in what he put in there. So he's actually talking about people and what he did to him. And those aren't even the things he was convicted on, you know, so, so, so why even bring it up? See what I mean? I mean, I get it. It's a strategic move to show he's sorry for the things that he should have been convicted about, like the, like the saltiness of women and all that malfeasance. But he wasn't. So he's gonna apologize for stuff he didn't get convicted of anyway.

[Todd Michaels]

He's controlling the narrative. He's trying to. He's just gonna, he wants to put it all behind and now he wants to be an advocate going forward, you know, and he's gonna, he's gonna be the example. He's gonna be the shining, shining beacon on the hill. And everyone's, everyone's gonna come to Diddy. He's gonna have a big statue out there. You know, it just gonna happen to look like Jesus. But it's gon. It's going to work.

[Tony Bruski]

I mean, everyone. You either like him or don't like him. If you like him, this is perfect. If you don't like him, it's, it's, it is, you know, it is what it is. And that's why it's very challenging. Because when you have such a large cultist following around you, you know that. That cultish following could be rattled a little bit by this prosecution. But then he's acquitted of things and so. And now he's saying sorry. So I think he probably, in his cultish following, didn't lose a single person, maybe one.

[Todd Michaels]

Because I don't think he has a huge cultish following though. I mean.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, I hope not.

[Todd Michaels]

I think more people are more apt to go listen to R. Kelly than they are to Diddy. And I think Diddy was probably worse at the end of the day. Obviously not by what he was found guilty of, but just opinion wise. And if you're gonna believe the survivors and the stories and the sheer volume of the hundreds of them that have come out about Diddy, what I'm worrying about with all of this is the public's ability to forget. The public's ability to forget. Because it feels icky to think that in the 90s that you were listening to some of this music and there's a lot of positive memories associated with it that ew, gosh, he did all these sort of things. I don't wanna think about that. I just wanna go back to when he was just Diddy, when he was showing up on trl. When it was those days we didn't know what was going on behind the curtains even though we knew a lot of dark stuff was going on back then too. And the public's ability to just be like, we're good. I don't wanna call it forgiving, but cognitive dissonance, but then still enabling the person's art to exist. And it doesn't mean you have to disconnect those pieces of your life and I guess remember them fondly. But we have a hard time separating the two. We do with R. Kelly, we do with Michael Jackson, we do with all those sort of things. And whether you want to again, I'm not gonna go into the rabbit holes of who's guilty and who's not, but very strong allegations against all these people and very tangible evidence against all of them that really do not paint the picture of human beings that anyone in their right mind, I think for the most part would consider to be safe around children or good or anyone. Or anyone.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, they're just really unhealthy people that started out maybe healthy again. It's so, isn't it a tragedy is when you, when you see someone have such talent and they just take it and they get wrapped up in their own self narcissistic ways and they throw it in the trash can. But, but to your point too, you know, I think it will because this is so bland. Because the, the charges that he was convicted of were so bland. It'll, it's, it's not nearly the impact that that's going to keep, keep people running away from him. I think it's just gonna get faded. So it really, it'll be really interesting to see what happens next. I, I would be, I'll be. Here's what I'm really interested in. Once he's sentenced today, will he continue to do those classes? Once he's sentenced today, if it's a light sentence and gets out, will he do great work for communities himself or will pass it off to someone else for image rebranding and rebuilding? I mean.

[Todd Michaels]

I think he's going to do it. I mean, I think he's going to be out there. I think he's going to try and be a motivational person. And I think you'll get some people who will believe it. But I don't think it's coming from the right spot. It's coming from. I need to feed my ego. I need to feed this, this thing inside of me rather than. I mean, people can look at it all different ways. Well, maybe that is redemption. Maybe that is somebody that truly did find the light and they're changing it. But presentation to the outside world is not necessarily the same of what's going on inside somebody and only that person can truly know it. But I think any of us who study human behavior for two seconds look and go.

[Tony Bruski]

You'll see the leakage. You'll see the leakage. And to that point, I think here's what we're good at on this is no matter what happens, whether it's politics or religions or beliefs or covering these cases, we have been swayed back and forth by new data coming in. I mean, the way we covered Karen Reed, you know, we were back and forth on that because as new data comes in, new, new testimonies coming in, you know, we're swaying back and forth on this. And same thing on the Delphi case. I mean, when we first went in there, you know, I wasn't really thinking about him. We're thinking about, you know, how corrupt the police department was or how weird and strange. And then we're looking at the, the defense attorneys that are talking about, you know, Odinism and everything, like, what the hell? And then all of a sudden you meet him, Richard Allen, and you're like, oh my God, this wasn't about anything except them torturing this guy. You know. So again, when you can maintain that objectivity when you're taking the new data on things, it's much easier to see these arcs of what is. I'm. To that point I have to give these long narrative answers to. I think it's going to be really, really obvious really, really quickly if you can maintain objectivity on watching what he does afterwards and if there's congruency between the words, actions and deeds, because that's all I'm ever looking for is, is to see if someone. It's. It's always think about this so everyone can do this. If someone makes you feel creepy, it's because one, you're not close enough to have your own confirmation bias on liking or disliking because that'll really Screw up, you know what you're observing potentially unless you can remove yourself. But if someone makes you feel creepy, it's because there's incongruency between words, actions and deeds. There's tempos that are off. They're pressing things on you. And so those are the things that are off putting to us. Because what. What's creepy? Creepiers things and people that don't make us feel safe because there's a hidden agenda, there's a temp of manipulation or subterfuge or something like that. And so that's why observing him, since I never liked him or disliked him and with all these people we cover, it's really easy to kind of sit back and look at these arcs and say, well, here's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And for him to go from 0 to 100, you know, self serving to altruistically do these things. Likelihood damn close to zero. Now will we make the attempt? Sure.

[Todd Michaels]

And I think. Excuse me, I gotta take a sip of water here.

[Stacy Cole]

That's all right.

[Todd Michaels]

As I'm about to talk, I'm coughing. I think one of the key things on anyone's prison when they're looking at Diddy or a character like this that has, you know, committed crimes as the ones that he has committed or the ones he's accused of committing. And whether you want to believe it or not and just believing the stories and the survivors and the sheer amount of people who have stories about Diddy is believing and understand going one way or the other. I believe a lot of things live in the gray. Not with people like this. People like this, they are either redeemable or they are not. They are either rehabilitatable or not. I'm going to. I'm in the camp of someone like Diddy is not. Maybe on the surface, you know, maybe we. Maybe he will. He will not reoffend, technically. But I don't think you're truly changing the person. I don't think a person like that can truly be changed. I just don't. If you have it in you at some point in your life that you think stomping on your girlfriend's head in an elevator bank is a good idea, I don't care how fucked up you are. I don't care what drugs you're on. I don't care. Whatever you're doing, if that's ever a point in your life that this is a action you are capable of doing and taking, you're irredeemable. You're capable of doing it. You can do it again. You will likely do it again, statistically. And I think there's just some people that are just trash, and there really isn't any fixing them. And that's how I feel about Sean Combs. That's my opinion there.

[Tony Bruski]

So I, I, I probably agree about 99 on that, but. And I always say there's like a 1%, because, you know, I'm thinking that as you're doing this, you always see my eyes go up to the left as I'm thinking about these things.

[Todd Michaels]

Sure.

[Tony Bruski]

So, yes, if you're definitely. If you're dealing with child predators, pedophiles, coburger types that, you know, have a brain malformation, which we don't really know about Diddy on that end of it. But I, but here's what I say to your point, though. Is he redeemable in order to be redeemable? So think about this. Do our little thought experiments that I love to do. If someone has risen this high in order to hit bottom, so to have an aha moment in your life, then you have to go to bottom to be able to start that climb back up to humanity. You know, it's, it's that rock bottom we all hit. I don't think he ever hit a bottom. So if he's up here in prisons down here, he probably fell in right in here. He even said the word uncomfortable.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah, right.

[Tony Bruski]

He was uncomfortable for 13 months. Is that really a bottom that you're gonna have these aha moments?

[Todd Michaels]

And if you know how narcissists and people like this work, this is just part of the path. This is part of the show. This is part of the play that they're gonna do for survival. And look, they're trying to survive on their own. I don't necessarily know that he's sitting there plotting, you know, necessarily nefariously. I think he may think he's doing the right thing, but I think he has such a broken brain and so incapable of feeling empathy for other human beings that it's, that's why it always feels weird and it feels off. Because the capability for empathy, in my opinion, is not there. It doesn't exist. And when that doesn't exist in a human being, that makes him a very dangerous human being. And with the propensity and the power and the history that this man has, the odds of him falling back into something like this or just doing this stuff again behind closed doors, insanely high.

[Stacy Cole]

So let me throw something in.

[Tony Bruski]

I want me to find it. Go ahead.

[Stacy Cole]

Sorry, Robin. So he is now sober for the first time in what, 25 years. He's off the Xanax, he's off the alcohol.

[Tony Bruski]

Maybe.

[Todd Michaels]

Well, I mean, as of right now, until he gets out, I mean, I can't imagine he's going to be start popping bottles the second that ends well.

[Stacy Cole]

But I, and I don't ever want to defend this man, but maybe the substances really were causing a lot of the issues. So what if we see a sober Diddy?

[Todd Michaels]

No.

[Stacy Cole]

What does that look like?

[Todd Michaels]

That's like saying, oh, it's okay. You know, maybe a sober husband doesn't beat his wife now that he's not drinking anymore. He's not going to do that. No, but if you're capable of doing it, you're capable of doing it, fucked up or not.

[Stacy Cole]

I get that. But I also, now he's got a different baseline. So what? And again, I'm not defending the guy. I think he's absolute scum. But what if this is his path to redemption? Could it work?

[Todd Michaels]

No.

[Stacy Cole]

Tony says no. Robin, Todd, anyone?

[Tony Bruski]

So if he hit. So to your point, Stacy, I've been around beautifully raging alcoholics and substance abusers in my life as well. And when, so if he, if indeed he's sober, because there's ways to get around that in prison as well, especially if you're connected like Diddy is. So I don't know the circumstances of the prison he's in and the connections he was able to maintain because I don't think he really, truly hit a bottom there because just because he's Diddy. Now, that being said, now, now, if sobriety took hold, then it's not a 0 to 100, it's, it's a slow crawl and walk back. So as many years as it took him to fall into this, it would be at least as many, if not double, to come back out. I, I, I'm edging more on the Tony. No.

[Todd Michaels]

There is no redemption. No, no. I mean, I mean, will it, will it, you know, is it a, is it a road bump in the road? You know, little, little speed bump? Sure. I mean, like Robin said, it's not 0 to 100, but, you know, it's still there. It's still. Again, it's one of those things, like there's certain people in this world, if you're diddling with kids. And I'm not saying Diddy diddled with kids, I'm saying people that do that. If that's in you, that's in you. That's not coming out.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

So and if you're, if you're able to beat your woman, beat a woman, beat your wife, beat your girlfriend, beat whatever, beat anybody mercilessly that you care about and do these sort of things, of things and have such unhealthy relationships like he was having, then that's in you. And you're not. I mean, you may change your ways and go, well, it's not for me anymore because it makes other people look at me like I'm a monster. It's because you're a fucking monster.

[Tony Bruski]

So he went, so again, now we'll go on that side because, you know, I was really focusing in on the physical abuse he was doing. But he's also an amazing amount of addiction, accused sexual abuse going on. So basically between the physical abuse, sexual abuse, psychological abuse, he lived completely without any moral ethical boundaries for how long? That's a long time. And so decades. In order for him to start reintegrating a functional brain with ethics and morals again, he's not going to wake up and say, oh my God, everything I was doing in life was completely back ass or drawn. And you know why? You know, he doesn't think that. Because he's a teaching a class on how to be diddy.

[Todd Michaels]

Exactly.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

Like this is a good thing.

[Tony Bruski]

Yes. You know, he's not teaching a class on sobriety. He's not teaching a class on how to get over sexually abusing people. He's not teaching a class on how not to be violent. He's teaching a class on how to be diddy.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Tony Bruski]

Isn't that telling?

[Todd Michaels]

Yes, it's 1,000% telling.

[Tony Bruski]

So if he's teaching a class on how to be him, does he really think he's wrong?

[Todd Michaels]

No.

[Stacy Cole]

Do you think Masterclass is gonna hire him to do seminars now?

[Todd Michaels]

God, I hope not. Stranger things have happened, you know, that's the reality of this. Stranger things have happened. And you just don't know the fact that we're even sitting here. That he's. He didn't get charged on some of these or didn't get found guilty on some of these things is kind of nuts.

[Tony Bruski]

You know, if he wanted to keep his name in his class, if he really wanted to do a good job of showing the, the redemption, the class should have been called how not to be Diddy.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, good one.

[Todd Michaels]

How do you know?

[Tony Bruski]

I mean, just, I mean, I love, as the brain's working live on this, I'm thinking, yeah, so if, if all he is is a complete self centered narcissistic ass that really Abused women, sexually abused people, psychologically tormented and, and man. And he's teaching a class on how to be him. Is he really redeemed? Is he really hitting his bottom? I mean no, he thinks the way he's rolling is absolutely fantastic. And he's going to show everyone else how to do it too. And all the other narcissists around him in there saying oh yeah, bravo man, I want to do that now too because I sucked at the way I was doing. I want to do what he was doing it. Friggin losers.

[Todd Michaels]

And that's look, and that's what's scary to me about society because I think it's beyond an epidemic of narcissists that we have out there that will look at this and go well I'm gonna learn from him. Seems like a good one to learn from because they relate to it. Because they relate in some dark way that they can't necessarily speak out loud. And I'm not saying it's because they're out there necessarily doing the sort of exact things he was doing, but the narcissistic way of thinking, they attract one another. And it's like it reaffirms the behavior, it reaffirms unhealthy ways of living and that's what they feed off of.

[Tony Bruski]

And it is and so funny because even with my own content. So here I am, I mean everyone knows me. I am the glass half full positivity, you know, how to forge trust, healthy strong relationships and how to recognize people that aren't, you know, that kind of content is. I know it is. I, I sell it, I propagate it, I write books about it. It does. Okay, but here's if I really want to be super successful like people in my same genre, if I just title something or did something or put something out there, how to minute how to manipulate the living out of someone, it would sell gangbusters because that's what people want. They don't say they want it, but that's exactly what they want. Never, never in a million years would I do something like that because and, but that's what they want. And that's what so Diddy's selling under this nice guys how to be this good great CEO and entrepreneur. But what you're really selling is how to be like me. Self centered narcissist who's gonna manipulate the fuck out of everyone. Look at me. First time you got me say that on the air.

[Stacy Cole]

I almost feel like we need to give an award. Yes.

[Tony Bruski]

Wow. I was very choosy But I don't. I don't. You know, I'm not that guy that does that. But now I'm branded forever now, right?

[Todd Michaels]

Hey, choosy moms choose Jeff.

[Robin Drake]

And I just want to say just one real quick comment, and then we can move on. I think as a society, we are so drawn by celebrity. And you look around us and you look at all the people in power that have celebrity in the world, in our country, all that kind of stuff, that's what we're drawn to as a society, which I think is very sad. But that's why I think that he will come out of this okay in the long run. He's gonna walk out of this thing. It's not gonna be a dark cloud over his head. We've seen it with other artists. We talked about Chris Brown a little bit yesterday and what he did and where he's at now. We're so drawn to celebrity. You could almost get away with doing what he did. And maybe he kind of is, to be honest with you.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah, I think that's a really good point.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah. Because here's what he's actually selling. You know, I get on. I don't get on anyone. I take note when people use word modifiers before things like ethical leadership. You know, I hear the word ethical leadership, and I'm just thinking to myself, oh, you actually are just double down. Leadership is about others.

[Todd Michaels]

Isn't that supposed to be.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, exactly. And then they say. And so you know what? What he's actually doing, he's trying to sell because people can rationalize himself. Oh, it's actually. Okay. I'm learning from Diddy. Ethical manipulation. What? No, it's not. It's just crapping garbage. So if you want to learn how to be a loser, just take this class. I think it's a fantastic idea.

[Todd Michaels]

There's more. Here we are watching the video or we're listening to the apology of Diddy. This has been not the real voice of Diddy. This is the AI version of Diddy. But we wanted to try and create and make it, I guess, you know, as authentic as it could be. I thought it would sound better coming from the sound of Diddy versus me reading it aloud. And there's more in this. Let's continue. This is a letter that Diddy has sent to Judge Submarine prior to his sentencing. Basically, you know, it's an ask for grace letter. Let's continue.

[Sean Combs (AI voice reading letter)]

Lost in my journey, Lost in the drugs and the excess. My downfall was rooted in my selfishness. I have Been humbled and broken to my core. Jail is designed to break you mentally, physically and spiritually. Over the past year, there have been so many times that I wanted to give up. There have been some days I thought I would be better off dead. The old me died in jail and a new version of me was reborn. Prison would change you or kill you. I choose to live every day since my incarceration. As difficult as my circumstances currently are, I have made the best of my time by reading books, writing, working out or in therapy, obtaining the tools and knowledge to deal with my past drug abuse and anger issues. I have been putting in the work and working diligently to become the best version of myself to ensure that I never make the same mistakes again. I realize that I am in a situation where no amount of money, power or fame can save me. Only God can save me. My grandmother used to teach me that God makes no mistakes and that everything he does is for your good. I believe that a bad situation can be used for good. Although this situation has been the hardest and darkest time in my life, good things have come out of my incarceration. For starters, I am now sober for the first time in 25 years. I have been trying my best to deal with my drug abuse and anger issues and take accountability as well as positive steps towards healing. One of the most beautiful things I have experienced is being asked by my fellow inmates to teach and mentor. They wanted to learn what I did to become a successful businessman. I was inspired by their hunger and desire to learn information in order to not only set goals but achieve any goal or dream that their hearts desire. I started teaching a six week program called Free Game. Title given by my fellow inmates which I was able to have approved and sanctioned by the Bureau of Prisons. Bop. I don't just teach about my success, I also teach about my mistakes and failures. It has truly been a blessing to do something positive in a negative situation. It has been beautiful to see the newfound hope in my fellow inmates eyes. The most shocking thing was to see the unity and the peace this class has produced. As you are probably aware, jails and prisons are segregated places. However, in our class we have Black, Spanish, White and Asian all together in one room learning and working together. We even have an interpreter for the Spanish speaking inmates. The biggest miracle that I've seen with this class is all of the gangs such as Bloods, Crips, Mississippi, 13, Trinitarios and 18th Streets in one room working together. I am also proud to say that since this class started there have been no fights in our unit. This class has also helped me in my time of need and despair. Being able to do something good for others has also given me much needed hope. God blessed me with this opportunity to help others, and I will continue to do so. I ask you for mercy today, not only for my sake, but for the sake of my children. God bless me with seven beautiful children, three sons and four daughters. Their names are Quincy, Justin, Christian, Chance, Jesse, Delia, and the newest addition, a two year old daughter, Love. Four of my children lost their mother, Kim Porter, as she tragically passed away in 2018. I am their only parent. I have failed my children as a father. My father was murdered when I was three years old, so I know firsthand what it is to not have a father. More than anything, I just want the opportunity to return home and be the father that they need and deserve. God also blessed me with the greatest mother in the world. My mother sacrificed her life and dreams to provide for me and my younger sister, Keisha. She worked three jobs to make sure we had a roof over our heads, clothes on our backs, and the best education. My mother is now 84 years old and she recently had brain surgery. Despite her own health challenges, she attended my trial every day. I have always been her primary caregiver. It breaks my heart that I put myself in this situation. And for the first time, I am unable to be therefore my mother when she needs me most. As I write you this letter, I am scared to death, scared to spend another second away from my mother and my children. I no longer care about the money or the fame. There is nothing more important to me than my family. I understand that. One factor the court has to consider is deterrence. Deterrence for me and for others to ensure that no one follows in my footsteps and makes the same mistakes.

[Todd Michaels]

Let's pause for a second there.

[Sean Combs (AI voice reading letter)]

I have been locked in one room.

[Stacy Cole]

I have thoughts.

[Robin Drake]

I just want to say before you get to your thoughts, brilliance on using the classical music, Tony. And also I know the font has something to do with video game that you use, but it's also Price is Right. So I am, I'm, I'm totally getting into this today.

[Todd Michaels]

And also, why is Price is Right? Yeah, I didn't even, I, I, I grabbed it. I literally made it like 11:30 last night when I saw the letter come out, I'm like, my mind was spinning. I'm like, what can we create for the show? And I was thinking, well, we could turn this into like a rap song. And I'm like, I Don't want to stay up till three. So I. This is what you got. You got the classical music and Diddy reading it. And then I thought, the irony is we're gonna have to show, you know, the horrible things he did. So it's all in full context. Cause I think if you're gonna make this apology. Okay, well, let's see what you're apologizing for in real time. So we don't forget. Never forget. Exactly what's going on. I wanna say this cause I wanna. Stacey, I wanna hear your thoughts, but I wanna say this is a thought I had earlier and it completely kept eluding me, but it remembered it. I said, no, no redemption. Here's the one way. If he was in some sort of horrific accident and completely lost all memory and consciousness of who he was, and it was like literally a total reset, like, that's it. That's like, just like when that happens. Like you don't know your name, you don't remember anything about your past. Like, literally you're relearning life. That's the only way I could see it being some sort of reset. But even then, I'd question genetics a bit too, of how much that plays a role in his decision making that's beyond his control. Where they even. Even the reset wouldn't work. It's pre programmed. That's it. That's the one scenario. Okay, Stacy.

[Stacy Cole]

All right. So, Tony, much to your dismay. I tend to go back to my personal experiences, but Diddy brought up his mother. And I was just in a position probably 2 1/2 months ago where I confronted somebody who did some really shitty, horrible things. And I said, what would your mother think if she saw this? And I'm sure she saw it from heaven. And the look was just like.

[Todd Michaels]

That's what you said. I'm sure she saw it from him.

[Tony Bruski]

Yes, yes.

[Todd Michaels]

That's great.

[Stacy Cole]

And for those of you who followed along in my story, you know what I'm talking about, so. Yeah, you're damn right didn't think of that.

[Todd Michaels]

You know, was he surprised by the comment or was he like actually feeling it? Like, oh, I didn't think, like she is. She might be watching me.

[Stacy Cole]

I don't know. I don't know where it came from because it was going on for a year and a half, two years. And mom died a year ago. So, you know, she was around for some of it. She was up there for some of it. So she saw some of it.

[Todd Michaels]

Feel like somebody's watching me.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah. I wanted to Throw that out there. So maybe the next time things wouldn't work so well because, like, mom's watching, you know, but, yeah, I want Diddy's mom to sit and watch this video of the hallway. Yeah, she needs to see this.

[Todd Michaels]

If she hasn't, she must be so proud.

[Tony Bruski]

So they're all, you know, we saw her. I'm not impressed with her. So I'm listening to this. You know, I love. We made all the comments before we listened to and heard the second half because they're all still spot on. Right. Accurate. The only thing that I'll add to it is he's doing a really good job. I think his lawyer did a really good job. I don't think he wrote this of. Of using every single lever of influence he possibly could. So we heard the beginning, a little bit of remorse for beating people. Then we have a little bit of remorse for this. And now we're using another liver influence called sympathy. Sympathy is a great lever influence on people. Now be sympathetic. Don't take me away from my kids. I'm the only person to have. Don't take me away from my mother. She's all that I have. All. She's all.

[Todd Michaels]

No, I'm all that she has.

[Tony Bruski]

Right, right, right. So, you know, so for the benefit of society at large, you need to release me because I am such a good influence on my kids and my mother.

[Todd Michaels]

There'S no way living hell.

[Stacy Cole]

Can you imagine the judge sitting there just going really, really seriously, maybe.

[Tony Bruski]

So that's what, you know, before I started really diving into true crime and us covering such. Such really bad, bad systems of justice. I would say, yeah. Never in a million years would a judge buy off any of this. But you never know these days, man. You know, when you see a prosecution do such a poor job in this case, I don't put it past anyone.

[Todd Michaels]

Well, here's what the judge has said so far.

[Tony Bruski]

Perfect for you.

[Todd Michaels]

The judge says Combs defense narrative is flatly inconsistent with both reality and his accepting responsibility.

[Stacy Cole]

Good.

[Tony Bruski]

Good.

[Stacy Cole]

There you go.

[Todd Michaels]

So that's how the letter's landing. As of right now. The full quote is, in general, the narrative that he and his attorneys have put forth, that this case involves nothing more than adults paying for time, not sex, is flatly inconsistent with both reality and his accepting responsibility. The judge. Yeah. Does not seem to be taking this lightly. And good.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah. Can think about this, too. So we're going back to that letter. What's every. What's the only things he's covering in the letter? The things he Actually, you saw videos for. He didn't call to talk about all the, the accusing stuff and all the what people are saying about baby oil, about lacing baby oil, about trafficking children. He didn't cover any of that stuff in there because he only covered stuff that people saw video for they got caught. Anything. Right, exactly. I'm glad the judge said that. Good.

[Todd Michaels]

The, the, the prosecutor saying today is about accountability and justice. Accountability for the defendant who committed serious federal crimes repeatedly over the course of 15 years and justice for the public, including for the victims whose lives have been shattered by the defendant's acts of abuse and exploitation. This isn't just a case about freak offs or hotel nights. She continued. It's a case with real victims who have suffered real harm at the hands of the defendant. It's about a man who did horrible things to other people to satisfy his own sexual gratification.

[Stacy Cole]

There it is.

[Tony Bruski]

And here's another thing too, I think.

[Todd Michaels]

And by the way, he has a speaking engagement booked next week. Combs does continue on.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, freaking hell. So, and here's another tragedy if they don't throw everything they can at him. And that's because think about the amazing. Because as you're reading that, Tony, I'm thinking about, you know, all these, all these young kids and upcoming amazing artists that thought this is the way that I have to do it to be successful. When this comes to light, how many great artists that are, that would otherwise be these amazing people in the world say, you know what? Screw that, I'm not getting into this world. I mean, just think about the, just related to politics too. You see all the horrendous garbage that they're doing in politics right now, you know, so these great leaders that could really change the world and course of, of everything are saying, that's not for me, man, because these people are nuts. And so if they don't do something about guys like Diddy and Diddy's case in particular, what, what amazing talent will we miss out on? Because parents won't let the kids get into this. I wouldn't want my kids to get into this. I mean, you'll see what I mean. I said the effect if you don't do justice here, like is saying in the what the prosecutor saying, you know, we could really be missing out on a lot. So I really hope it sends a powerful message that, hey, we can right the wrong of this industry so we can be benefited by these amazing people that do have this great talent because they do make the world a better place. When they share it.

[Todd Michaels]

Well, all these people that are coming out saying, you know, don't let him out. I fear for my safety.

[Stacy Cole]

I mean, that's a problem.

[Todd Michaels]

That's a problem. There's all these human beings that. That now feel this way, and it doesn't matter that Sean wrote a letter and says, oh, I'm sorry, you know, God did this for me, and I started a class, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Great. Now these people are fearful for their safety and their lives because of his previous pattern of behavior that really doesn't seem to be stopping here. This letter, if anything, just confirms the narcissism continues on. I get nothing out of this letter that makes me feel like, okay, he's grounded in reality. It's saying what he knows people want to hear.

[Stacy Cole]

I brought this up with Eric Faddis. Was it yesterday? The days are all blurring together for me.

[Todd Michaels]

I think so, yeah.

[Stacy Cole]

But the people who are outside who have dealt with him, who are concerned that he's gonna get out, they're freaking terrified right now. They are terrified. They are living under this umbrella of terror. And what happens if he gets out? Are they going to be protected from him? And even with him in prison, he has such a wide net of people around him that these people may be in harm's way regardless if he's in prison or not.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, I agree.

[Todd Michaels]

I mean, like, yeah, there's just so much. There's a little bit more to the letter. Let's listen to the last piece of Diddy's apology. You know, plea for leniency letter to.

[Sean Combs (AI voice reading letter)]

The judge with 25 other incarcerated people sharing the same one room. In this room that I share, there are no windows. There is no natural clean air. There is no sunlight. And we all live in one room. We eat, sleep, use the toilet, take showers, and prepare meals, all in the same room. The conditions that my actions have placed me in are inhumane. I don't tell you this for pity or sympathy. I am simply sharing my truth and the truth of my fellow incarcerated people. We have no clean drinking water, and we boil our drinking water. We all share one washing machine, which is broken. I am surrounded by drugs and live every day with the constant threat of being stabbed or losing my life. Again, I am not expecting pity or sympathy, but my time at MDC has changed me forever. Prior to being in jail, I took care of and was present for my family. Being in jail, and because of my conduct, I lost the ability to care for my mother. I lost the ability to effectively raise and Support my children. I have missed my three daughters proms and graduations. I have missed taking one of my daughters to college. I have lost the freedom to teach my 2 year old how to speak, dance, play or be there to console her when she falls down or has a nightmare. I started from nothing, worked hard to earn everything I had. But because of my conduct, I have lost all of my businesses. I have lost my career, I lost the charter schools that I started and I have destroyed my reputation and stained the reputation of those that worked for me. I lost my being present with my family. Between of all of my losses and lessons. I can state for a fact that I will never be in another criminal courtroom again. And I do not believe any other person would do anything similar from fear of similar punishment. If you give me a chance, I would like the opportunity to share my story with people too. Prevent at least one person from making the mistakes that I've made. I can't change the past, but I can change the future. I know that God put me here to transform me. Since incarceration, I have gone through a spiritual reset. That I'm on a journey that will take time and hard work. I'm proud to say I'm working harder than I ever have before. I'm committed to the journey of remaining a drug free, non violent and peaceful person. I thank God that I'm stronger, wiser, clean, clear and sober. God makes no mistakes. I realize that this trial has received a tremendous amount of global press. Your honor may be inclined to make an example out of me. I would ask your honor to make me an example of what a person can do if afforded a second chance. If you allow me to go home to my family, I promise I will not let you down and I will make you proud. Today I humbly ask you for another chance. Another chance to be a better father, another chance to be a better son, another chance to be a better leader in my community and another chance to live a better life. I am writing this not to gain any sympathy or pity. This experience is simply the truth of my existence and has changed my life forever and I will never commit a crime again. Thank you for your time and consideration, Sean Combs.

[Stacy Cole]

Nope.

[Todd Michaels]

Nope.

[Stacy Cole]

Nope.

[Todd Michaels]

It must be true. If he says it, it must be true.

[Stacy Cole]

Nope.

[Tony Bruski]

Nope.

[Todd Michaels]

Did any of those things ever really matter to him though? The charter schools? The laundry list of things he listed off? Or were they all just a means to feed his narcissistic urges to control people and places and everything around him? Was there truly good behind any of that, I guess, is the question. Or was it all the ruse? Was it all the curtain for the public to see? Look how great he is. Look what a wonderful philanthropist he is. He does this, he does that, and it's nothing off of his back. He's got enough money to rule a fricking country. So, yes, the public thinks that, but behind the curtain it's, you know, freak off land.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, I looked it up because, you.

[Stacy Cole]

Know, it's what I do.

[Tony Bruski]

The first thing he ever did when he started like that charter school and stuff, the first reviews that came in on it were decent, but it fell off pretty rapidly after that because what happened was he started, he. He would set it up, he showed up, and then he just kept handing stuff off. So everything he did from that point, I was just all about image management, just like this. I mean, if anyone's ever wondering how to. How to put into practice persuasion, influence from Robert Cialdin's book, Influence, this is what it is. And everything out of here is textbook influence. And. And persuasion intended to. For an effect of sympathy. And I mean, how many times are you going to throw down family? How many is going to do this? You know, but he never did it before in life. And Stacy, to your point, I saw you do the same thing too, about surrounded by drugs in jail. Yep. See, I told you. No, I watch a lot on TikTok. A lot of TikTok, apparently.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

My question is they have access to boil their own water.

[Stacy Cole]

That's frightening.

[Tony Bruski]

So they do have. Depends on the facility. They have their own small kitchen spaces that if you get stuff from the commissary, you can actually prepare or have your own food. They're allowed to bring very, very limited things back from the mess halls. They can't bring fruit or anything like that back because actually people will make jail room hooch.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Tony Bruski]

From fermenting it. So there's a lot of stuff that they're not allowed to have that's contraband. But again, you pay the people off, you can get contraband in because obviously there's drugs there.

[Todd Michaels]

So I would do the boiling. The water was like. Well, wouldn't that be a weapon?

[Stacy Cole]

It sounds like a weapon.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah. Yeah, mostly. I've never heard of boiling water, but.

[Todd Michaels]

You know, that's what I'm wondering, like, are they act like you. You have access to boiling water? Like you. That would be. That would be a pretty powerful weapon.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

Just to throw that at somebody. I.

[Stacy Cole]

That's why he's got special privileges, because he's Diddy.

[Tony Bruski]

So I'm saying I don't believe anything that he says.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah, I mean, I guess that might just be the answer is like it's just.

[Tony Bruski]

Or he saw it once or heard about it once and it becomes, I mean that's, that's what we do in life when so very rarely do people actually lie. Lie like complete fabric. What typically people do is they, they do massive exaggerations and they fill in gaps with, with stories that they'll believe. And we were talking about this earlier. I think he totally believes that he's empathetic because he redefines what empathy is. Empathy is where I give money to someone that is actually different than what actually empathy is. But that's what he's defining it as. And so I, I think he's just one of those people that's redefined life according to his own dictionary.

[Stacy Cole]

Well, and he's not talking about the, the victims as much as I, I need him to. He's talking about himself. That's it. That's it.

[Todd Michaels]

The victims were that first three minute block. Stacy, was that not enough for you?

[Stacy Cole]

Apparently not. I am so needy.

[Tony Bruski]

His true victims are his kids and his mother. You know, they're the ones who really suffered without him. His poor daughters that had to go to prom without him. Oh, I'm like, good man, man, maybe we can save some other kids by keeping him the hell away from him.

[Todd Michaels]

It's the last. Exactly. It's the last few people in his orbit that like will give him the time of day is probably really what it is. What kind of person would believe this letter? I mean, what's the profile of an individual who hears this thing and goes, damn, he's telling the truth.

[Tony Bruski]

Someone who wants. It really comes down to that. It's someone who wants to. And there's always people that want to and there's always people that are conspiracy theory people. I mean, how many times? It doesn't matter how solid a case is. Doesn't matter how solid. Evidence and data, you know, ranks up against people. There's people that are never going to believe it. I've had people reach out to me after the assassination of Charlie Kirk said that that shooter that shot him, you know, that, that, that assassin, that 21, 20 year old kid. Oh no, it's not him. It's a frame. And I'm. What, what? Everything. I've never seen anything more solid in recent years where someone. It was him. I mean it's his DNA, it's his rifle, it's his grandfather's rifle. The parents turned him in.

[Todd Michaels]

Volunteers on camera.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah. Oh, it's not him, man. I'm like, see what I mean? So if you don't want to believe something, it's amazing the stories our brains will make up. And so there will be people that believe this. There are people that thinks he shouldn't even have to set it because he's completely innocent anyway.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah, no, no, you're right. I mean, and, and I guess then what is the driver of wanting to believe that it.

[Tony Bruski]

Oh, because. Because to not believe. So if you invested a lot of time and energy into Diddy, his music, his lifestyle, wanting to be like Diddy. I mean, think about this. There's a lot of people, I don't know how recently, but you know, when he's in his heyday and it goes with anyone, if you, if you are so vested in trying to be like someone and to follow in those footsteps and be successful and have money and have influence, we'll say it. Influence and not power and manipulation and have all these skills that you coveted in him, then you're going to want to continue to believe that. Because to invalidate what your whole ideal was for where you want to go in life would be invalidating your self identity. We as human beings do not like to do that. Because as much as he'd have to reinvent himself in order to be on that path of redemption, those that follow him and think that that's the way to go would have to do the same thing to their own identity.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Tony Bruski]

And so. And that's why he's got people signed up for his class in prison. It's not because, you know, they found him to be a Mother Teresa in there. Like all of a sudden we're going to reform our lives. They're like, all right, I kind of screwed it up my way. He seemed to have it all figured out. Let's follow him for a while. Unless he doesn't get off. I mean, so it'll be really interesting.

[Todd Michaels]

It's gonna be fascinating to see the, the next chapter because I mean, at some point he is going to get out. You know, if he survives, which I don't. Oh, yeah, he's not going to, but it's. Yeah, there's going to be another chapter. It's going to be. I feel like it's going to be a train wreck in some way, shape or form. It's just. How bad of a train wreck is it going to be and how many people are going to be damaged by it? That's the question.

[Tony Bruski]

He's not spiritual enough for me for reform yet. I mean, you have the Malcolm X's that go into prison and come out a completely different human being because they had a firm message of social reform. And so think about that too. The people we see that gone into prison that come out different are the ones that actually when had a message of trying to be social justice warriors. And then they had these aha moments of figuring out, wow, that wasn't the way to do it.

[Todd Michaels]

And.

[Tony Bruski]

And so they have this. This spiritual awakening inside. And then it's years and years of figuring out how to manifest that into a better way to communicate that for social justice. Diddy is not a social justice warrior. He's a warrior for himself. And so there's a big difference. And so he's trying to align himself as a social justice warrior. Framework of reformation. But really he's in there because he was all about him. Not because he was doing violence for the sake of social justice and rationalizing, as we've seen these other cases. No, he went in there because he was completely serving himself and no one else.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah, he's just sorry he got caught.

[Tony Bruski]

Yep.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Stacy Cole]

Words I've used repeatedly in the last year. Yeah, you're just sorry you got caught. You're not sorry for your actions.

[Todd Michaels]

And that letter is just the very narcissistic way of trying to spin it and put. Put a little icing on it and make everybody go, ain't this delicious? Not gonna happen. Robin Drake, retired FBI special Agent, former Chief of the counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis program. As always, thank you so much for joining us. And Monday we will be talking more about. Unless something blows up over the weekend, and I hope to God I will be talking about the judge and the sheriff, Mickey Steins and some new revelations there, which is kind of fascinating. From some new reporting from Brian Entin of News Nation.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, I love Brian Enten. He's as good.

[Todd Michaels]

Robin, thank you so much. Let's move on now to our dear friend Donna Adelson. What happens when the queen of a dental dynasty trades designer shoes for shower sleep slides?

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, my God.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah, I'm thinking some sexy photos is what I'm thinking right there. Donna in only shower slides.

[Stacy Cole]

I can't get that on my head.

[Robin Drake]

I'm going into AI right now, Tony, just for you.

[Todd Michaels]

Bravo.

[Stacy Cole]

Great.

[Todd Michaels]

And then we'll play Kylie Minogue can't get yout out of My Head to multiple images of Donna. I just can't get you out of my head. And it's all Donna and shower slides and Harvey peeking around the corner. Ew.

[Stacy Cole]

Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew.

[Todd Michaels]

In just a speedo.

[Stacy Cole]

No. Make it stop.

[Todd Michaels]

If anybody is listening to this as they're going to bed, sweet dreams. And every once in a while, Charlie peeks around the corner. Mommy, Daddy.

[Stacy Cole]

Ew.

[Robin Drake]

Can I have a snack?

[Todd Michaels]

I'm thirsty. Can, mama.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, God. Don't, Don't. No. I know exactly where you're headed. Don't go there.

[Todd Michaels]

Come here, little Charlie. I got the chocolate syrup out. It's time for milk time. This happened just weeks before Charlie was convicted. He's been facing prison now for quite some time without mother's milk, and he's doing okay.

[Stacy Cole]

Can I. Can I go now?

[Todd Michaels]

Can I go?

[Robin Drake]

No. No.

[Todd Michaels]

Donna Adelson is about to find out what life is like in prison. 75 years old, convicted of first degree murder. She's staring down a Florida prison sentence that offers no parole, no early release, no sympathy. But prison doesn't care how much you used to be worth. It cares if you can shut up, show up and survive the heat, the noise, and the rules written in blood, sweat, and ramen packets. In this breakdown, we're pulling apart the life and what life actually looks like for a woman like Donna. Based on firsthand stories, Department of justice reports, and the hard truth from women who've been inside. It's not a country club sentence. This is the Florida document. And once you're in, the only thing that matters is whether you can last. So let's break it down. And as you may be seeing right now. Or you have. There we go. We got Donna. We'll run this as we kind of have our conversation here. Donna Adelson being transported. Is it playing right now? Is it just down and out of the screen?

[Robin Drake]

Okay, she's coming.

[Todd Michaels]

Oh, she's coming. We were waiting for Donna to get into the van. Yep. And this is. It was. I just found it fascinating looking at.

[Stacy Cole]

What are we looking at right now?

[Todd Michaels]

This is the back of the van. And here she goes.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, okay, now I see it.

[Todd Michaels]

Okay, here she comes. Donna Adelson.

[Robin Drake]

Oh, my God. I was gonna sing with you on that. That's exactly where I was going.

[Todd Michaels]

There she is. Can I get into the van?

[Robin Drake]

So when is this from, Tony? Do you know? Is it like right after.

[Todd Michaels]

This is her being transported after the trial. So she has been sent. She's been found guilty. This is now her, you know, getting going back to jail. Cause she's currently housed. I Believe the Leon County Jail, waiting sentencing on October 14th. And this is, you know, once you've convicted a narcissist, what you get. Her actions are speaking louder than words on this. There really wasn't much audio on this area. It was just kind of her getting in the van, and then it's silence. It's the ride. And you see her kind of, you know, shaking with the road as she go, and her having a moment to. To soak in her new reality moments after she was sentenced to life in prison.

[Robin Drake]

And think of this. Now, we're watching this, so if you're listening, you can see it, but think of this. You were just told you were guilty, right? We saw the outburst in the. The courtroom, all that kind of stuff. Look at her sitting here.

[Stacy Cole]

She's very composed.

[Robin Drake]

I would be losing my chisel if I were just told that I was found guilty.

[Todd Michaels]

Right.

[Robin Drake]

Of something that I think we all believe she did. And she's just kind of sitting there. She does have a few moments here if you. If you watch of her kind of getting a little. What looks like upset, but upset to Donna apparently is not upset to the rest of us.

[Todd Michaels]

Look at her.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah, I think I'd be inconsolable. Like, you know, snot running out of my nose, tears running down my face, you know, head in my hands. She's just sitting there. Can she look out the window? I don't know. Is there anything for her to see?

[Todd Michaels]

I mean, there's some light coming in. Look at this. I don't know if she's shouting up to the front or what she's doing there.

[Stacy Cole]

I'm innocent.

[Robin Drake]

Can we stop for coffee? I'm thirsty.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah, we just passed Starbucks.

[Todd Michaels]

I was just. I was just. I was just. That's the vibe I'm getting off of this whole thing. She's not looking at the world in any way of like.

[Stacy Cole]

Like.

[Todd Michaels]

Accepting her responsibility. She is still looking at the world of, I did the right thing. Nobody else understands me. You know, I'm persecuted, poor me, and that's how she's gonna die. I don't think her brain is capable of thinking it in any other direction. Otherwise, she should have taken the off ramp a long time ago. And now the ramp is slowly going to lead directly to a cell for the rest of her life. I mean, how do you think this is gonna go for her going from. I mean, she has been in jail now for quite some time, but prison life is going to be different. How do you think this is going? The. The psychological shock of going from, you know, the country club reception to the moment the. The system has decided that you're going to spend the rest of your life behind bars.

[Stacy Cole]

It's ugly. I. I bet it's just absolutely ugly for her. And she's. She's probably trying to figure out how she can manipulate the system in. In prison. How can she make that. That system work for her?

[Robin Drake]

I think she's always thinking about that in every situation in her life. I think she was thinking about, how can I make this be the best thing it can be for me?

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah.

[Robin Drake]

It's never been about what's best for someone else. And I think, you know, okay, at this point in her life, it's kind of late to change your mind and be somebody that you're not. But she is definitely Stacy. You're right. She is thinking about, how can I make. Like, how can I turn this into. How can I turn these lemons into lemonade?

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

And when used productively, is a good skill.

[Robin Drake]

Yeah. Right.

[Todd Michaels]

Well, there she is. She's sitting there talking to herself, trying to reason this out in her mind.

[Stacy Cole]

Do you think she's talking to somebody?

[Todd Michaels]

No, there's no one there to talk to. And you couldn't because I tried to listen to the audio. You really can't hear anything she's saying. It's just kind of. She's just sitting there yabbering to herself.

[Stacy Cole]

Wonder if she's singing a song.

[Todd Michaels]

I was kind of wondering that, too. Like, what do you think?

[Stacy Cole]

Song.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah. What do you think? She's. God, I wish I could read lips. I should have my girlfriend look at this. Because she can read lips.

[Robin Drake]

Can she really?

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah, because she doesn't have great hearing, so she's learned how to. To do that.

[Stacy Cole]

Never going to give you up.

[Todd Michaels]

In the voice of Donna. Never gonna give you up. Never going to let you down. Never gonna run around and desert you. Wendy, you need to fill my commissary. Yeah. The prison Donna will likely call home is this. Most women serving sentences in Florida end up at the Lowell Correctional Institution. It's one of the country's largest and most troubled women's facilities. Doesn't that look like a nice place to stay? Look at that. They got their own water tower and everything. Perfect for jumping off of.

[Stacy Cole]

We never walk alone, it says. That's their motto.

[Robin Drake]

Isn't that sweet?

[Stacy Cole]

You're never alone, kids.

[Todd Michaels]

It's a weird.

[Sean Combs (AI voice reading letter)]

Wow.

[Todd Michaels]

Why do you even have a statement? Why do you have a slogan on your prison?

[Robin Drake]

I didn't grab the picture but there's a picture of another sign like that that says, welcome to Lowell Correctional. And it's like, oh, wow, that's nice. A nice welcoming thing. That's awesome.

[Todd Michaels]

Come on in. Big ol wreath. Do they have, like, potpourri? Like, they're ready. You know, we're like, in the 80s where it'd be potpourri on top of, like, every toilet that's also carpeted.

[Robin Drake]

Yeah, there's a cell at.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, if you're not watching this on YouTube, you are missing out.

[Todd Michaels]

Do you think Donna is someone who.

[Robin Drake]

Oh, my God.

[Todd Michaels]

In her home with Harvey, do you think that she still had potpourri on top of her toilet that was carpeted? And do you think she had the little carpet. Carpet square underneath the toilet, too?

[Robin Drake]

And the toilet seat that was carpeted?

[Todd Michaels]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Robin Drake]

And the padded seat. And the padded seat.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, my God, I hate. I hate the padded seat. I hate it.

[Todd Michaels]

Especially when you get on it and it's already warm because somebody else just used it.

[Robin Drake]

And because it's so worn there, it's indented with the person's ass cheeks.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, God.

[Todd Michaels]

Especially when they're cracked, too. And then you get. And it gets, like, sharp, like the pleather. Kind of like ch. Like chopping up at your ass. Yeah. It's funny.

[Robin Drake]

It's funny that we've all had experiences.

[Stacy Cole]

We all have, mainly at my grandma's house. You know, you get your. Your butt sliced by the. The plastic. You know, walk out going, what the hell just happened to me?

[Todd Michaels]

I wonder if those will ever come back. Do you think they'll ever come back? I hope not.

[Stacy Cole]

I hope not.

[Todd Michaels]

And who. Whose idea was it it to let. Let's put carpet at the one place where you're going to get pee, to stain it and. And hit it right underneath the toilet. Of like. Are.

[Stacy Cole]

Are you not hitting the bowl properly, Tony?

[Todd Michaels]

No, of course I'm not. No man ever does.

[Robin Drake]

Listen, Stacy, let me just say this.

[Stacy Cole]

Come on.

[Robin Drake]

It doesn't matter how well you aim. You're at a distance. So there's going to be splatter, period.

[Todd Michaels]

It's going to happen. It's going to happen. We sit. I'll sit down. I enjoy sitting down because it gives me. Because it's like one of the few times of the day I can just kind of, like, do this.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah. And you can chill.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah. So I do a lot of chilling in the bathroom. So I do sit down sometimes, even when I don't need to sit down. I'm just like. I'm gonna take myself for five minutes here. I'm gonna catch up on the news and do that.

[Stacy Cole]

Women everywhere will thank you for sitting down. So there isn't splashback. Okay.

[Todd Michaels]

I'm just saying, look, splashback is an inevitable fact of life, and that's what we're just gonna have to accept. But what we don't have to accept is putting pieces of carpet remnant underneath our toilets. That seemed to be counterintuitive.

[Stacy Cole]

That's an 80s thing.

[Todd Michaels]

Like you have a laminate floor with all the little squares and bricks like everybody had. And then. Oh, rather than just. Just wipe up the laminate with a piece of toilet paper or something. If you're a considerable. A considerate male that does that. I was gonna say it's far easier to just do that. You know, take a little, you know, brawny and clean it up. And, you know, and, you know, it'll. You know, you'll get it done. But. But if it's in the carpeting, the hell is that? Who's who thought that was a good. I guess it covers it up. It actually alleviates you having to wipe it up because you can't because it's in the carpet. It must be something a guy came up with. I mean.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And you probably don't even know that you did it because it's in carpet.

[Todd Michaels]

Exactly. So I think a guy came up with it and women's kept buying it.

[Robin Drake]

They thought it was pretty, right?

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah, I guess that's what it was. It was the pretty. But you never saw design on him. There was always just a solid color.

[Robin Drake]

But then you get the toilet paper that match. So if you had pink carpeting, you'd have pink toilet paper, the light blue. And let me just say this. If we do nothing else with this podcast, if we make no other difference in people's lives, I just hope that we can do away with the carpet in the bathroom. I mean, that would be a high standard for me.

[Todd Michaels]

If you're still putting carpet in your bathroom, seek help. There is help out there. It does get better.

[Stacy Cole]

It does.

[Todd Michaels]

And I just want you to know that once you remove the carpet from around your toilet seat, life will improve it. Really, it will.

[Stacy Cole]

So I'm gonna find a way to change the subject here. We've had a few people in the chat tell us that this was after her initial arrest, maybe not after the verdict, because of the clothing she's wearing. So I'm not sure, not 100% sure about that. But thanks for the comment. Figure it out.

[Todd Michaels]

This houses over 2,900 inmates, many in open bay dorms without air conditioning. A 2020 DOJ report found widespread SA by staff.

[Robin Drake]

Oh my gosh.

[Todd Michaels]

And systematic failures to protect inmates.

[Stacy Cole]

Yikes.

[Todd Michaels]

The facility was described as leaving women at substantial risk. Well, Florida claims to have reformed. Prea audits continue. And the facility's reputation really has not recovered as of right now. So that's something that one has to consider when going into a facility like this. Disturbing. I don't know what kind of risk Donna Adelson is at at 75 years old, but I think anybody in that sort of environment, anything is possible. But it is also a prison.

[Robin Drake]

If it's essay, it's not necess. You know, it could be just related on hate and all that kind of stuff too. If people feel badly enough about what she's done, that might put her, you know, front for something like that. Yeah, absolutely. And I also read a story about how they had like water problems at the facility and they knew about it and never did anything and the prisoners all were getting sick and stuff like that. So this is not a good place for someone like Donald Donna Adelson at.

[Todd Michaels]

All our prisons honestly scare the shit out of me because they're getting worse. And you take Donna out of the equation. Take, take, just take everybody out of the equation for a second. There's like so little oversight in these facilities. It's like, okay, well we, we sentence people, we try them this way, we do it publicly, we go, okay, here's what's gonna happen. But it's like a whole other world once you get there with like just. You're at the mercy of who's privately running most of these facilities. They're not elected, they're not chosen, they're not. There's no self reg. I mean maybe there's self regulation if somebody has principles, but a lot of times you don't. And you have people that are running this stuff, you know, with some vengeance. And I know prison's not supposed to be a great place, but it also we have to maintain some basic human rights and dignity. And I feel like we're kind of getting to a place where it doesn't exist and there's no one there to stop really inhumane treatment by some very under qualified human beings that happened to get a job there because they couldn't get a job anywhere else. And now they're looking out for other humans. And we know not everybody that goes to prison or jail is actually guilty or is violent or deserves some of the stuff they're getting. Look at the Richard Allen case in Delphi. I mean, you tortured a man and then that's what they got out of it. They got him to say crazy things that make little to no sense, like he's gonna kill his grandkids that don't exist. And, oh yeah, then he killed the kids too. But that came right after he was eating a nice big bite of his own shit, literally. So there is a lot to be fixed in this system. And it's easy when we see people like this to look at the circus of it and go, yeah, they had what's coming to them.

[Robin Drake]

Right.

[Todd Michaels]

And they do, they do to a certain extent. But we can't become as animalistic as them. And that's the scary thing. We saw it in the Co Burger case too, where the, the cell blocks that he was in, in. In solitary, they were flooding his because they knew a way to get the water from their cells to rain down into Co Burger land.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, it must just be torture for him.

[Todd Michaels]

Good.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah. I'm not.

[Todd Michaels]

Just as, Just as I preach about how we need to be more good, you know, it's. But that's the question. Proximate. That's the human aspect of it. And if we're going to have the, you know, okay, for that person. But what about this person over here? It's, you know, emotions overtake some of these things that really, emotions just shouldn't be involved in. There should just be strict standards. Here's how we're handling it. No matter who you are, where you are, why you're here, there should just be. Here's what it is. And it doesn't have to be nice, it doesn't have to be great. But it also doesn't have to be continually abusive either. It is supposed to be the correction system, not let's make them even more violent and horrible when they come out system, which is what we have more than anything, because we like to poke the monkeys with sticks and anger the animals in the cages and that sort of stuff. And they're humans. They are humans, and if you want them to come out worse, keep doing that.

[Stacy Cole]

Well, it would be great if it were some sort of a rehab where we focused on mental health and why are they there in the first place? It'd be great.

[Todd Michaels]

Well, it would be helpful if we focus on mental health before they ended up there too.

[Robin Drake]

Right.

[Todd Michaels]

Because that would be preventative because otherwise you're putting a band aid on the problem. But I completely agree with you, Stacey. Yes, it Would be great if they did. If we did it beforehand, we wouldn't have to fill these damn things up so high now.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

Heat, noise and no privacy. That's the other big complaint in the land of Donna Adelson behind bars or the new prison that she's going to be heading into. You might imagine prison is quiet and isolating. In reality, it's constant noise, it's heat, it's movement. And get this one, no AC. In most of the dorms, temperatures inside routinely exceed 100 degrees in summer. Older inmates are especially vulnerable. Donna, 75 inmates fight over floor space near fans. Sleep is disrupted nightly by shouting, toilets clanking keys and court procedures. Lights never fully go dark. You shower in groups, leaves the toilet in public and adjust to zero privacy. Do you think Donna is going to survive? And I'm not saying, as in someone's going to take Donna out.

[Robin Drake]

Yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

I'm saying she's going to be in suicide watch.

[Robin Drake]

Yes, she is. I mean, I'll be honest with you. Those conditions sound deplorable to me. I don't know if I could do it. I don't know if I could do that.

[Todd Michaels]

I think if this is. And you got. There's no way out. There ain't no end to this in sight. And you're already 75. I think I'd be looking for an out, too.

[Stacy Cole]

I wonder if it's going to take a toll on her health without her taking things into her own hands, that she's just going to go on this downward spiral, decline, and that's it.

[Todd Michaels]

And just like naturally die.

[Robin Drake]

Yeah, I think that's very possible. Very possible.

[Stacy Cole]

You know, not having, you know, dark. Excuse me, darkness at night, you know, not getting good sleep. She's at a point now where she needs these things. You know, the older you get, the more frail you are. She is going to be suffering.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Stacy Cole]

Physically and mentally, it's. It's going to take a toll.

[Todd Michaels]

I can't imagine living like this at 43. More or less 75. You know, it would be. Yeah.

[Robin Drake]

And I think if you look at her and obviously we're talking about 10 years with all this going on or more. She is not aged well.

[Stacy Cole]

No.

[Robin Drake]

If you look at her when she was arrested, trying to scatter, you know, get out of the country and all that. Look at her now.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah, she's very different.

[Robin Drake]

Very different.

[Todd Michaels]

Okay, honest question, and I know none of us know the answer unless you've learned it somewhere else, but I don't believe any of us have ever been in prison. How the hell. How.

[Stacy Cole]

I walked through one.

[Todd Michaels]

How the hell do they make the prison liquor in the toilets? And then do you. Are you not allowed. Do you just not use the toilet? What the hell do you do if.

[Stacy Cole]

Use the sink?

[Todd Michaels]

If you're fermenting in your toilet, why wouldn't you make the liquor in the sink then? Easier to probably hard. Easier to hide in the toilet.

[Robin Drake]

Yeah. It's kind of out of sight, out of mind. Right.

[Stacy Cole]

How do you poop, though?

[Todd Michaels]

That's what I'm asking, so.

[Robin Drake]

Except he was trying to do it a little bit more elegantly.

[Stacy Cole]

Sorry, I'm the blunt one here in this group, so if you want something said.

[Todd Michaels]

How do you excrete?

[Stacy Cole]

How do you defecate?

[Todd Michaels]

How do you defecate? I don't know. I mean. Or is that just part of the seven herbs and spices that end up in the wine?

[Robin Drake]

I looked it up.

[Todd Michaels]

Okay.

[Stacy Cole]

I don't have to.

[Robin Drake]

You actually do it in the tank, not the actual toilet, but it's. There's still a risk of contamination and all that kind of stuff.

[Todd Michaels]

You do it in the tank. Okay. Do they all have tanks? Show me that picture of the thing again. The cell. There was a toilet there. There's nothing.

[Robin Drake]

Doesn't have a tank.

[Todd Michaels]

Because, I mean, you know, like you think of. I mean, most public toilets and, you know, commercial toilets don't have tanks.

[Robin Drake]

Right.

[Todd Michaels]

So what do you do if you have a tank? Todd's gonna find the answer.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah, there's no tank there. It's just the bowl.

[Todd Michaels]

I bet it's on the Martha Stewart website. You know, from her time in prison. I bet she made some.

[Stacy Cole]

I bet she has a recipe book.

[Todd Michaels]

I bet she made some mulled cider in the toilet tank.

[Stacy Cole]

That sounds interesting.

[Todd Michaels]

I made some delicious mold cider from.

[Robin Drake]

It's a good thing.

[Todd Michaels]

From apples, from apple juice, from applesauce.

[Robin Drake]

To be honest, if she didn't make a cookbook out of that or lifestyle book, she should have.

[Todd Michaels]

That'd be a great cookbook. Prison Cooking.

[Stacy Cole]

I always thought that strictly.

[Todd Michaels]

I did a bit once on the radio where it was vending machine cuisine. And I had chefs actually come in and they had to create gourmet dishes out of things only found in the vending machine. And the only cooking utensils they could use are what was found in the radio station's break room. So that included a coffee machine which had a burner on it, and that was used to cook and make some interesting things. It was a fun little bit. Unfortunately, it was radio and you couldn't see anything. And there was no social media yet, so it kind of, you know, missed the mark a little bit, but it was interesting. Then we paired it with Jones sodas, the Thanksgiving ones, like the turkey flavor and things like that. It was wonderful.

[Stacy Cole]

Wow. Well, you know, you're a creative soul. That's for you. I mean, I never. When I was on radio for. Oh, God, 18 years, 19 years, I never had an idea like that. Not once. Not once.

[Todd Michaels]

There's a lot of things in vending machines you can saute up. Like you can saute up those meat sticks pretty good. Stacy, just in case you ever need to. A coffee burner. It does work wonders if you have the heating element to use.

[Stacy Cole]

And I have not had my meat stick today. This is a tradition that I'm breaking today.

[Todd Michaels]

There you go.

[Stacy Cole]

I'm worried. Yeah.

[Robin Drake]

We got a question, which I think is an interesting question. Who's worse, Donna or Diddy? That could be a contest. Donna or Diddy? Donna or Diddy?

[Todd Michaels]

It depends what you believe Diddy did or didn't to.

[Robin Drake]

Right?

[Todd Michaels]

I think that's the question. If you believe he did a lot more than what he's convicted of. Did he? I mean, they're both horrible. I mean, you know, there's the, The, The. The wake. They're both. They're both raging narcissists. So basically, who. If you're going like sheer numbers, who affected more people negatively and traumatically in their lifespan, did. Diddy would have likely done that in terms of life and death. I think that's up in the air because I. I think that you likely have some of that connected to Diddy, too. Don't know how, don't know where. But I'm gonna guess if. If truly investigated or if the evidence existed, you would find death associated or connected some way, shape or form. That's my conjecture. Obviously, we know it with Donna. But who's worse? They were both tornadoes to every person in their life and just destruction paths. Both are horrible. Yeah. Donna, of course, used to being in charge in her freedom. Now that's not going to be such a thing as Donna Adelson is about to be facing life in prison. Her sentencing coming up on the 8th, 18th of October, and we'll bring that to you. We're taking a look now at what life will be like in prison for Donna as we see her. If you're watching us on YouTube, the prison transport as she looks down, looks around, sings some songs, and continues to wallow in her own Self delusions in prison.

[Robin Drake]

She's in her mind right now. She's kind of holding her hands to her face right now. If you can't see it, they're probably.

[Stacy Cole]

Pulling up to the place, and she's freaking out.

[Robin Drake]

Could be.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, shit.

[Todd Michaels]

This is it, Donna.

[Robin Drake]

She's thinking, this is just an Uber, Donna. This is just an Uber. Just think of it as an Uber.

[Todd Michaels]

In prison, power doesn't come from wealth. It comes from adaptability, respect, and quiet calculation. All things we know Donna's masters at. She is the master class in all of those things of adaptability, respect, and quiet calculation. I guess you could get that one. Every flavor inside has a price. Braid your hair or favor. Braid your hair. Wash your clothes. Write your letters. Cost you commissary items. The guests at the prison have described a hidden economy of under the stairs. Salons, laundry services, massages and food bartering.

[Stacy Cole]

Donna, stairs.

[Todd Michaels]

Won't understand that world at first. Well, I mean, it's a metaphor.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah, right. But I wonder where all of this really takes place. You know, where do they give the massages? You know, is it in a quiet corner and people are kind of watching, you know, like, keep the lookout. How does that work?

[Todd Michaels]

Donna doesn't seem to have a lot of emotional regulation. I don't think that's gonna fare well for her behind bars. Yeah, I mean, prison is designed to, you know, to strip you of anything of your status. And inmates, they adapt by building new social, you know, currency inside social circles, if you will. What gang do you think Donna's gonna join?

[Stacy Cole]

Ooh, the bitching grandmas.

[Robin Drake]

I was just gonna say it's gotta have the word grandma in it, whatever the name is.

[Todd Michaels]

Do you think it exists? Do you think there's, like, a grandma. A grandma group in. In prison. That is badass.

[Stacy Cole]

So. Or I hope so. I want there to be. You know, maybe they get together and they make, like, jailhouse cookies or something. Not the hooch, but cookies.

[Todd Michaels]

Wonder how you make jet. Like when you feel like you grind up ramen into to flower, and then what do you do?

[Stacy Cole]

See, you're the creative one here.

[Robin Drake]

What they do is instead of making, like, a knife or a gun out of a bar of soap, they make knitting needles, and then they make granny squares and put them together and sell them for cigarettes.

[Todd Michaels]

I'm gonna guess Donna Adelson has never picked up a needle and thread in her life. You think so? I don't know. I don't know. She seems to be like one that, you know, everything's Just been kind of handy to her. I don't know that. I don't know that. There's a lot of. I don't know. She doesn't. She doesn't strike me as a knitter.

[Robin Drake]

Yeah, I don't know if she's necessarily a knitter, but I would think that.

[Todd Michaels]

There would also be contraband. Yeah, I mean, you'd have to do the. Some sort of way of making that, because it'd all be contraband. A knitting needle or even the. The yarn itself.

[Robin Drake]

True.

[Stacy Cole]

Hmm.

[Todd Michaels]

She is reportedly on suicide watch, which means solitary confinement, no sheets and no personal Items, and surveillance 24 7, at least at the beginning, is what she'll likely be facing because of the high profileness of the case. The guests there say suicide watch is often more traumatizing than general population. If Donna stays in her denial, her mental health, it's likely to decline, but if she accepts her reality, she may stabilize. Do you think. Do you think she's adaptable? I don't know.

[Robin Drake]

She's never had a grasp on reality her entire life. No, she just has not. Reality is the one that she makes in her mind, whether it's true or not. In real life, she's never had a sense of what reality is.

[Todd Michaels]

I do wonder about items and, And. And how. How this is all going to work, what she's going to have, what she's going to get. I have no idea what their financial situation is anymore. I'm guessing Harvey's the one that's going to be filling the canteen.

[Robin Drake]

Who else would? Right?

[Todd Michaels]

And wouldn't that make you if you know that there are some resources there? And look, no matter what she has left, I'm sure there's something left, and probably a hell of a lot more than what most people have on the outside. That's what I'm wondering is what's going to happen on the inside with people knowing, well, you got Harvey out there that can, you know, get what. Get you what you need, and you got your weekly spending cap of $150 on commissary items. How much do you think Donna's going to be. Be getting those items or using them to barter for her own safety or.

[Stacy Cole]

Oh, it's currency all the way.

[Robin Drake]

Yeah, well, besides this, that's assuming that Harvey never ends up behind bars himself, right?

[Todd Michaels]

True.

[Robin Drake]

So that. That could put a wrench into that whole thing for her.

[Todd Michaels]

I do wonder exactly where and what. How this will all work out for Donna. At the end of the day, corrections officers can't Physically assist women due to liability. So if she falls, they have to wait for the medical staff.

[Robin Drake]

Oh my gosh.

[Todd Michaels]

Many older inmates end up in bed unable to move with no real end of life care because what inmates, it's basically what inmates will provide for each other. So it would be, it would be in Donna's best interests, it seems, to make some friends.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah. Yeah, it would. I, I think that's exactly what she's doing. She's forming her posse as best as she can. Being on suicide watch, I imagine she's kind of in isolation at this point with very little things, you know, around her for obvious reasons and I'm sorry I said that, that word. But yeah, I think once she finally accepts reality and gets back into gen pop, I think she's probably forming an alliance.

[Robin Drake]

I'm just not so sure. I just, I think that this may be the first time in her life that she doesn't have the control she's always had.

[Todd Michaels]

She's capable of performing an alliance.

[Robin Drake]

You know, she had the alliance of her family. She may have had the alliance of her quote unquote friends in life.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Robin Drake]

But this is really the first time where I don't know if she's, I don't know if she's going to be able to pull this off.

[Stacy Cole]

You don't think that she's going to prey on some weak people behind bars and, and make them her bitch?

[Todd Michaels]

I think she is a weak person behind bars. Yeah.

[Robin Drake]

I think, I think that anybody who's got to find a way to find toilet paper to wipe their ass may not be. That's going to weaken her a lot. This is an inconvenience to her. She had the conveniences all her life of getting everything she wanted, having the money, having the family, all that. So she had the mindset to be able to create all this bullshit in her life. She doesn't have that anymore. You know, our tag was caviar to commissary. I don't think she can deal with that.

[Todd Michaels]

No, I mean this is someone. When you look at this, I don't think she has the mental ability to do so. I mean, and this, look at her. I mean she's feeling sorry for herself. She's in. I guess one would probably no matter what if you're in that sort of sit. But that's not going to help her. Her self pitying and her oh I was so wrongfully accused. I'm sure in her mind she thinks she's going to walk in there and she's Going to tell her story and people are going to be oh yeah, they did you wrong. They're going to look at her and laugh. They're going to look at her and laugh at her bullshit and laugh at her self pity and then they're going to shank her now. But no but, but I mean they're going, it's not going to work. It's not. I mean, and if she's annoying as shit to people, yeah, it's not gonna work out. Her stories, her bullshit, herself aggrandizing, nobody cares. She's, she's just another one of them. And what has Donna always wanted to be? Not one of them? Always wanted to be above and beyond everybody else. She thinks that she can bend the rules. They don't apply to her. She's a frickin narcissist. Narcissist. And she still plays by the rules. And just because you put a narcissist in a cage doesn't mean they stop being a narcissist. And that's the reality, I think, of what you're about to get. That's why, I mean even with no sound, it is fascinating to watch her in this car being transported because it is a narcissist in a cage. And you don't get to see that very often. They get away with so much shit and they just continue to go on with life and causing chaos to others. And you don't see them finally being forced to stop to be removed from the population to which they tormented their entire lives. And they don't know how to handle it. And I think they can handle it, a lot of them. But I guess the question here begs, do even the guilty like her deserve basic dignity? As they deteriorate, what happens when prisons become nursing homes?

[Robin Drake]

Oh, it's, this is a tough one for me because I, being the empathic person that I am, I always feel like people deserve a certain level. Right, sure, yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

And I agree.

[Robin Drake]

God dang it, what a nasty individual. And I'm sorry, but there's also a part of me that's like she needs to suffer a little bit. Yeah, let her suffer a little bit.

[Todd Michaels]

Florida provides kosher meals to inmates who request them. They often include better food items like canned juices, packaged snacks and meat substitutes. So even if you're not kosher, I think I'd be requesting the kosher meal. If you get something better, you know, why not? So maybe that's fair.

[Robin Drake]

I don't think that's fair at all.

[Todd Michaels]

All, I don't think so either. But it seems to be how it.

[Robin Drake]

Works if you're in prison. People may hate me for this, but your religion goes out the window. You can practice however you want to.

[Todd Michaels]

Practice, but that your diet is out. Yeah, I agree.

[Stacy Cole]

Well, that is part of the religion, though. It is part of, of.

[Robin Drake]

I know, but I don't, I don't care.

[Todd Michaels]

I, I think the diet goes out the window.

[Robin Drake]

Me too.

[Todd Michaels]

I don't care. It's, you know, vegetarian. I don't care. I don't care. You're in prison.

[Stacy Cole]

You have violated the rules of our civilized society.

[Todd Michaels]

We're going to violate the rules of your diet, you know, Ooh, I'm gonna.

[Robin Drake]

Violate the rules of your colon. You're gonna have meat, damn it. Or you're not gonna have meat or whatever.

[Todd Michaels]

I mean, and I mean, yeah, I don't see anything wrong with something like it's, I mean, it's not like it's. You're not torturing the person telling them to eat something that they are choosing not to because of a religion, because of dietary preferences, because of whatever fucking thing in their mind that tells them they can't consume the food that is nutritious for them, that can continue to sustain their life. That's on them. Don't eat it then. Don't eat it.

[Stacy Cole]

Well, you know, hopefully that is a deterrent for some people, you know, Geez, I certainly would be.

[Todd Michaels]

That's the only reason I'm not in prison, guys. It's the only reason I haven't gone off and turned into the equalizer. I couldn't eat the fucking food. Right.

[Robin Drake]

Actually, Tony, I could see that it's.

[Todd Michaels]

Kind of true in the case, right?

[Robin Drake]

Yeah, exactly.

[Todd Michaels]

But no, I mean, I, I.

[Stacy Cole]

We'Re getting a glimpse here, aren't we?

[Robin Drake]

Yeah. Beep, beep, beep. Back up.

[Todd Michaels]

The thinning of the veil. You're seeing what's beyond the veil. So, I mean, that's interesting that, that you can request a sort of stuff. I mean, if you remember the coburger case, he was requesting originally that food be made only prepared in pans that have not touched meat.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah.

[Robin Drake]

Oh, I bet. You know what I would do? I would take the pan. Oh, yes. Right in front of them.

[Stacy Cole]

You smear a steak right in front.

[Todd Michaels]

You know, I would, I would get the pan real hot and just bring it up to Co Burger. Okay. No meat, but you know what? It's vegetables. Here you go. And I would like literally press the, the hot pan against his face. Here you go. Here you go.

[Stacy Cole]

Bri, you can't do that.

[Todd Michaels]

You can't. I know. They have rules.

[Stacy Cole]

They do. Some.

[Todd Michaels]

You want your vegetables? Here they are. No parole. There's no appeal. There's no other plan here. No exit strategy. Flor Florida's mandatory life sentence means exactly that.

[Robin Drake]

Bye, Dana.

[Todd Michaels]

And even if there was, appeals take years with very, very little shot of success. And let's be honest, Donna doesn't have.

[Robin Drake]

A lot of that left.

[Stacy Cole]

I was gonna say the clock is ticking here.

[Todd Michaels]

So at the end here, as we. We observe Donna behind bars, is she on your. Your death pool for 2025 or 2026?

[Stacy Cole]

I don't have a list this year. Typically I do. My strategy has been. Well, huh?

[Todd Michaels]

There's never been a better time.

[Stacy Cole]

We may have to do our Deadpool.

[Todd Michaels]

This is for 2026. All right.

[Robin Drake]

You know the Internet craze with the Jet2 holiday thing? Have you guys all seen that?

[Stacy Cole]

No.

[Robin Drake]

They use the commercial for Jet2holidays, and it's people in really bad situations. And it's talking about getting your holiday put together. Your v. All I can think of when I watch this video of Donna riding off in the. In the paddy wagon There is the Jet2 holiday song, the jingle. Because this would be. This would be a vacation from hell for anybody.

[Todd Michaels]

I think I'm hearing Holiday Road.

[Stacy Cole]

Of course you are.

[Todd Michaels]

I'm hearing Lindsey Buckingham holiday roll The.

[Robin Drake]

The Go Go's vacation. Right?

[Stacy Cole]

Yes.

[Robin Drake]

To do that holiday from Madonna.

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah.

[Robin Drake]

We could put together a Donna Adelson playlist.

[Todd Michaels]

Girls just want to have fun. Yeah, we could just like. Just like Chad Daybell's playlist.

[Stacy Cole]

Better have my money.

[Todd Michaels]

Hey, Donna, baby, I got your money. Don't you worry, Said. Hey, speaking of which, I'm wondering, do we have any more letters from Chad?

[Stacy Cole]

Yeah. Oh, my God. We were so busy this week, we didn't get to that.

[Todd Michaels]

There is a new letter from Chad. We'll have to touch it next week.

[Stacy Cole]

Promise. Do not. Okay. Yeah, we need to do that. We can't let people down. I crave these letters.

[Todd Michaels]

You crave these letters?

[Stacy Cole]

I crave these letters.

[Todd Michaels]

That's a great statement.

[Robin Drake]

Miguel enjoys meat sticks. And Chad Daybell letters.

[Todd Michaels]

I mean, she craves them.

[Robin Drake]

That's on her dating profile, I think.

[Stacy Cole]

I did not have to create one, thankfully.

[Robin Drake]

Swipe right.

[Stacy Cole]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I got lucky. I didn't have to create one. I'm good.

[Todd Michaels]

I'm trying to see if there's anything interesting in the music section here. It looks like he gets into Christian rock. Which to me is nails on a fucking chalkboard board.

[Robin Drake]

Yeah, I tried at one point in my life to get into that stuff because I was going to get a job at a Christian radio station.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Robin Drake]

I couldn't. The problem is it's all the same lyrics. It's almost as bad as country because it's always about God and belief and love. And it's like, I don't know, throw some. Some fun in there. A little sex, little drugs.

[Todd Michaels]

Well, let's put a little just life context in some of the songs, you know, I mean, it's like, and I'm saved and this. Like. Okay, I mean, I get it, but it's like the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over. I like variety. I like. Oh, this is a story of this. This is a story of that. A better variety from the 80s 90s and today to pick you up and make you feel good. The no repeat workday guarantee on Sunny 97. That's. Yeah, I mean, that's. I can't do it. No offense to anybody who likes it. It's just. It ain't my jam. It's just not. Then when I walk into a church, too, I get this really weird. I start shaking and I get really hot and I start sweating, and there's like the circle with this, like, weird star type thing that starts coming out of my skin.

[Stacy Cole]

Okay, hold up, hold up. People are gonna be like, wait a minute. What's. What's with this?

[Todd Michaels]

The pentagram is what I'm told. I don't know why it happens, but it's. It's alarming. But thankfully, there's pentralics, where all you have to do is take one of those a day. You can walk into any church and the pentagrams won't automatically burn through your flesh.

[Tony Bruski]

Oh, my goodness.

[Robin Drake]

It could give you a deadly diarrhea. But other than that, it'll get rid of the pentagrams on your palm.

[Todd Michaels]

Don't take pentralics if you're allergic to pentri.

[Stacy Cole]

That's my favorite part of those disclaimers, right? Don't take it if you're allergic to it. Well, no, Sherlock.

[Todd Michaels]

I feel like we should remove that one and let anybody take it that's allergic to it, because it's like. Well, that's natural selection right there. If you know you're allergic and you're taking it and you. And you needed someone to tell you not to take it because you're allergic. Like, if that's it, it's like don't put the gun at your head and pull the trigger because there might be a bullet in it. It's like, okay, just don't do that to begin with. That's not a good idea.

[Stacy Cole]

Don't run in traffic. I don't know.

[Todd Michaels]

Don't play in traffic because you might get hit by a car. Yeah. Donna Adelson. Her future so bright, she gotta wear shades. We'll work on our death pool for next week.

[Robin Drake]

I think we should have a playlist that we put together for each of the people we cover. And then we'll just post it occasionally on social media and people can add it.

[Stacy Cole]

No, put it on Spotify. You guys make an actual hidden pillars playlist. Yeah, this is real.

[Todd Michaels]

We could do that.

[Stacy Cole]

We could totally do that.

[Todd Michaels]

Can you put like a graphic up for your own playlist?

[Stacy Cole]

Absolutely.

[Todd Michaels]

We could put a Donna Adelson graph. Well, our podcast is on Spotify, so I mean, people. Yeah, that would be interesting. We could. We should. We should create our own playlist.

[Stacy Cole]

I remember watching Ted Lasso and they put out a playlist of like the locker room music that they would, you know, listen to. Wink wink. Even though, you know, it was fictional. But it was interesting. Cause it kind of played into the series. It was like a behind the scene things. We should totally do that.

[Todd Michaels]

All right, well, we got one coming up for Chad for sure. And I think we're starting to build Donna's. So just think of the hits you're gonna get to listen to at work between true crime podcasts.

[Stacy Cole]

See?

[Todd Michaels]

Get excited. This is gonna be amazing. And I think it's gonna wrap up this week of true crime coverage. Be sure to let us know your thoughts in the comments section on YouTube about. You know what, what's the future hold for Ms. Donna and all the other cases that we've been covering for you right here. For Todd, for Stacy, I'm Tony Bruski. We'll talk again real soon.

[Tony Bruski]

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[Todd Michaels]

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[Tony Bruski]

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[Stacy Cole]

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