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Siobhan Scott
This is continuing coverage of United States versus Sean Diddy Combs from the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime. Today, interesting testimony continues in the trial of Sean Diddy Combs Capricorn Clark, testifying just this week that she worked for Diddy on and off from 04 to about 2018 despite being threatened, physically assaulted, forced to work in a car at gunpoint, traumatized by workplace intimidation, she even reconnected with his legal team in 2024 to ask for a job as chief of staff here to discuss her testimony, to break it down, because there's a lot that has come out here. Siobhan Scott, psychotherapist and author and we're not victim blaming or anything like that here. We're just trying to break down the psychology of what was going on and the control that this man seemed to have over people. I think the big question in this one, you know, people always think of the relationships that are romantic. You know, why didn't you leave? People seem to maybe understand that a little bit better if they've been in a bad relationship and dynamics. We've all had bad jobs, but I don't think quite to this point. What do you think is going on here? Working for him for about 14 years on and off, really horrible abuse, but still keep coming back to Diddy.
Capricorn Clark
Yeah. This could be a book of this woman's life experience. Really. It would be fascinating because I think this is an incredible example of what we call a trauma bond, which is when people. And you mentioned abusive relationships. It's fairly common in a romantic relationship, but people can have that with their parents as well if they're raised in an abusive home. Someone who attaches very deeply and often with affection to someone who is cruel and hurtful to them. And this is hard to understand, but we can all form attachments in this way if we're in the right circumstances and we have the right vulnerabilities. And it's because the perpetrator mixes kindness, rewards sometimes apologies, sometimes, often affection in various ways mixes it in with the cruelty. And the victim comes to think that when they're being punished in some way or treated badly, that it's their fault. And if they do things different, if they get it right, that it's gonna improve. And so in that way, it's almost like an addiction. They keep trying to get it right with the fantasy that someday this is all gonna be better. And they get enough out of it as far as money or self esteem from times that the person is kind to them that it just keeps them coming back. Now, people who have been raised in abusive families are particularly vulnerable to this. And when I look at the. The length of time that this lady stayed in this situation with him, it makes me think that she must have had a pretty rough childhood.
Siobhan Scott
Yeah, I mean, one would. Would certainly wonder about that. I'm wondering if, like on a very kind of simplistic level, to help others understand this is if you've been in several relationships in your life, wherever that may be, some were good, some were bad, some were just kind of there. But they were good human beings. What are the ones that people on average tend to look back on on, like social media or check up on out of curiosity? It tends to be the bad ones. I would think, in a lot of cases where one would think if the brain is, you know, working in a more healthy way, you'd be more curious about the folks where it was good and things didn't work out or even just, you know, it was there, but, you know, how you doing? But to gravitate back towards the trauma out of curiosity. That's interesting. I think it's something all of us do to a certain extent now. There's that line of just curiosity. And sometimes it's, I hope they're doing good, or I hope maybe I'm going to see they passed away a few years ago, and there's just, you know, oh. And then you go, oh, maybe nobody noticed and they passed away a few years ago. Or there's, you know, just kind of indifference. Just, oh, oh, that's where they live now. Okay, whatever would that be? Is that a good analogy? Just the curiosity, the way the brain works, where we tend to go back to more negative things out of curiosity than we do things that would be healthier for us.
Capricorn Clark
I think the thing that may be going on there is the tendency to want to connect the dots. Why was I with that person? What went wrong? What is it about them that hooked me in? And so I think there's this natural curiosity when we're trying to make sense of our own narrative. Certainly I've done that. I wrote a book on that. Trying to make sense. Trying to make sense of my bad genes.
Siobhan Scott
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Capricorn Clark
Lesson in what really are cluster B disorders. And why do people get hooked into these relationships? It's almost, in a way, I think it is healthy if we're trying to understand ourselves and avoid making those same mistakes in the future.
Siobhan Scott
Very true. Do you think that that could be what was going on here with Capricorn Clark in a way of. I mean, just idea that, you know, back in, what was it, 2014 or whatever, where when she started working for him, I mean, it was a big deal. People wanted to work. There was a television show called who Wants to Work for Diddy?
Capricorn Clark
Oh, I did not know that.
Siobhan Scott
It was literally a show.
Capricorn Clark
Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh, that's sick.
Siobhan Scott
There was multiple seasons of this thing, and it existed. So it was kind of a thing it was. People were considering it kind of a big. And at the time, if you didn't know about all this stuff and most of us didn't. Yeah. I mean, if you got a job with working directly for him as, like, his, like, direct head of staff and things of that nature, if you're going into that, you're going to think, oh, my gosh, this could. This is going to change my life. This is going to be so good. I'm sure you're excited about it. I'm sure there's just a lot of positivity and then you get to know Diddy and then things get really, really dark. But still, that hope and that dream of, well, it could be like this, you know, it sure looked like it would be like this, but it's not like this. That makes a lot of sense. If you kind of keep going back on. Well, maybe if I. If I handle them differently this way or I handle them differently that way. This is a professional relationship. It could be true of a personal one, too, but that does make sense. Trying to connect those dots. And is it kind of a fixer type thing as well where, like, if I fix me or fix them, I can get this to go the way it should?
Capricorn Clark
Yeah, it's very seductive. And if a person was raised in a family where that was their role in the family, to try to get it right, to try to keep mom or dad calm. And that's a template that they carry into their adult life. And you can see how Capricorn was probably very vulnerable to this. And the reward were probably huge. I'm assuming she was well paid financially. And that's a hook, too. And thinking that if I. Yes, if I just win him over, it's gonna get better for me.
Siobhan Scott
There was a lot of extreme ups and downs with him. It was either hellish and you're working for the devil, or you are living the highest life of some of the very, very few people on this planet. And I don't think there was a lot of in between. It was this or it was that. And sometimes that high life ends up being more seductive, where you think, well, I can put up with this enough. I can. And then it amps and amps and amps. And eventually it's very discombobulated. She described it as total domination of combs, as controlling every aspect of her life. And this is an employee dictating where she lived, forcing drug errands, ordering polygraph tests, even managing her own relationships. What kind of a human being is doing that? Sort of thing, or what's more so wrong with a human being who is trying to exert that level of control over anyone, more or less one of your own employees.
Capricorn Clark
It's bizarre. And the thing that's so shocking, as I always say, is that this man has been idolized in our culture. And this is one of the most psychopathic people I've heard of. I guess we could say the serial killers might top it, but this is incredibly psychopathic and bizarre. I don't know how to explain it. What could. Other than, as we say, a combination of bad genetics and role modeling and, you know, too much wealth. But there's this sadistic quality with him, and it's. It's beyond belief. This lady would have a heck of a book about psychopathological relationships.
Siobhan Scott
Oh, I can only imagine. Let's talk about another thing that went on she witnessed there, and it corroborates more stories. I mean, this is why Diddy is going to be going down. Down, at least on the Cassie charges. Cleric described watching Combs kick Cassie Ventura repeatedly while she was in a fetal position and said she begged security to step in, but no one helped. How can you explain that? I mean, can you explain moral injury and the trauma that comes from watching violence helplessly? Especially when. When it involves people you care about. Why does someone not step in? Is it fear? Is it. That's gonna happen to me next? Is it. I don't know. Does it happen so regularly it loses the, you know, the horrid quality of it?
Capricorn Clark
Yeah, the happening regularly, I think desensitizes people to it. It's sort of like, well, here we go again. But moral injury is a real thing, and you see that often in wartime when people witness atrocities but feel frozen. And I think that sense of being frozen is part of the trauma response. Right. We go fight flight, freeze or Fawn. And I think she was certainly frozen a good deal of the time, as were probably other people around him. It's sort of like a combination of he was a mafia boss and a cult leader. I mean, it's one of the stranger stories that I've ever heard. Not because he was a sadistic and a psychopath, but because he had the power over all these other people and hung out with celebrities, other celebrities, and nobody called this out for decades. It's truly strange.
Siobhan Scott
It is the level that he was able to get away with it on. Another piece that came out in the last week was the firebombing of Kid Cootie's car. This was someone who was Dating Cassie Ventura on a little breakup time between the two of them. And, well, Diddy didn't like it. So he threatened that he was gonna blow up Kid Cootie's car. And a few weeks later, it was firebombed with a Molotov cocktail. He just testified in court the other day. Clark testified and said Combs forced her into an SUV with a gun in his lap, took her to Kid Cootie's house, and refused to let her go unless Cassie agreed to show up. So this was pressuring her to convince Cassie to. To come and show up to this. This meeting that was gonna go on. I mean, this is someone who, you know, okay, let's go on this car ride. And he has a gun. I'm guessing he probably had a gun on him a lot. The question I think would be, and I'm sure what the defense is gonna try and present that, well, this is. This is not. This is. She was just following directions in a high pressure situation that they needed to go to this house. And of course, he always carries a gun with her, but this is like an actual threat under coercive control. A big difference than just, you know, he's kind of an extreme dude, and I'm just following orders.
Capricorn Clark
Yeah, it's definitely. It's definitely off the chart and hard to put myself in that kind of situation and imagine what it was like for Capricorn. But I think she lived under the terror that she was gonna be killed at any given time. And that changes the way a person reacts in situations like that.
Siobhan Scott
There's just so much of where this goes. I'm always just every day with the Diddy case, I'm like, oh, my God, he did that too. I mean, it's just. It's so dark. There was another fact that had come out as well, Diddy. And I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. He went as far as convincing Cassie's mom because she knew that Cassie was in an abusive relationship with Diddy. Basically made Diddy's mom pay him $20,000 or something was going to happen to Cassie.
Capricorn Clark
Wow.
Siobhan Scott
Wasn't. Here's $20,000. Don't tell anybody. It was like, you pay me not to hurt her worse. I mean, is it. I mean, this is. This is psychopathic, is it not?
Capricorn Clark
I mean, 100% psychopathic and a little bit crazy. I mean, you know, it's hard to understand. Why do you need this kind of power over people? I always use the word sadistic with him too. He is above and beyond your average garden variety psychopath who makes up a lot of the prison system. I mean, he needs a special place in hell, quite frankly. This guy is awful.
Siobhan Scott
I have another question, but I wonder if we're gonna start finding bodies soon.
Capricorn Clark
I wonder the same thing.
Siobhan Scott
And maybe not even in this conviction, but I do. I mean. Cause they're still investigating this guy. I'm wondering if we're going to start finding bodies and we're going to start finding people that did die and go. I'm wondering about the Tupac situation because that whole trial is off the table right now until next year because of new evidence that has come in. We don't know if there's anything to do with Diddy. I don't think it would be far of a stretch, but just, you know, people who aren't even necessarily well known people, things I wonder about are people like bodyguards, people like security, people who are not like the direction, assistance of Diddy. People who were just there to guess, you know, kind of keep people in line, be the bouncers and stuff. These people saw a lot of horrible stuff and they didn't report it. They didn't do anything about it. I'm wondering, I mean, it's easy to go, well, why wouldn't they? They could overpower him. They could get out of there. Yeah, but what else is he gonna do to them and their family? I'm gonna. Do you think There was a lot of that going on within those ranks. And I'm wondering about the ones who did say, screw you, I'm gonna do this anyhow. And got silenced before anything got out or just got laughed out of the room. There actually is. And he was brought up in testimony just recently. I should do a deeper dive on this. This is the man who was the Trump Hotel shooter. You remember that guy couple years ago, he looked psychopathic, went into the Trump Hotel, started shooting things up, and then he. Crazy things. At least at the time it sounded crazy. Started saying crazy things that he was a sex slave for Diddy. We're like, he just shot up the hotel. Like, wow, you're a sex slave for Diddy. What? Yeah, according to Cassie, he was. He actually was. He was a Chippendales dancer at the time who was recruited and actually was there. And he had sex with Cassie in front of Diddy for money.
Capricorn Clark
Who would have guessed?
Siobhan Scott
Those are the type of folks that I'm wondering about. He was still alive. I mean, he had a mental break and snapped and did that, but. And then he's saying these insanely crazy things. At least we think they're crazy. It's the folks like that that maybe aren't shooting up the hotels, but they're in their own torture chamber of life because they've lost their mind or had some sort of a break from reality that are out there as well. Because he got out. He got away. But this is where he ended up mentally, one would have to guess. There's a lot more people out there, don't you think?
Capricorn Clark
That's it. And there may be more stories that come out, more people willing to step forward and discuss the dirty things that have happened. After he's convicted and incarcerated permanently, we may see a lot more. And yeah, it would surprise me if this wasn't just the tip of the iceberg. You know, I think there's a lot more going on with this guy.
Siobhan Scott
I do too. I think there's a lot more people who are still not comfortable to talk until they know he cannot get out.
Capricorn Clark
Exactly. Exactly.
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Host: Siobhan Scott
Guest: Capricorn Clark, Psychotherapist and Author
Release Date: June 3, 2025
The episode delves deep into the troubling allegations against Sean 'P Diddy' Combs, exploring the psychological manipulation and abusive behavior that Capricorn Clark, a former employee, endured while working for him. Hosted by Siobhan Scott, the discussion brings expert insights into understanding the dark side of Diddy's rise to fame.
Timestamp: [02:02]
Capricorn Clark begins by recounting her harrowing experiences working intermittently for Diddy from 2004 to 2018. She details the physical threats, such as being "forced to work in a car at gunpoint," alongside emotional and psychological abuse. Her testimony sheds light on the extreme control Diddy exerted over his employees.
Notable Quote:
Siobhan Scott: "Working for him for about 14 years on and off, really horrible abuse, but still keep coming back to Diddy."
[02:02]
Timestamp: [03:29]
Capricorn Clark introduces the concept of "trauma bonds," explaining how victims develop deep attachments to their abusers due to intermittent positive reinforcement amidst cruelty. She emphasizes that such bonds are not limited to romantic relationships but can occur in professional settings as well.
Notable Quote:
Capricorn Clark: "This is an incredible example of what we call a trauma bond... the victim comes to think that when they're being punished in some way or treated badly, that it's their fault."
[04:00]
Timestamp: [05:16]
The discussion shifts to the psychological mechanisms that keep individuals tethered to abusive figures. Capricorn Clark suggests that Diddy's blend of kindness and cruelty creates a cycle that victims find addictive, perpetuating their stay in toxic environments.
Notable Quote:
Capricorn Clark: "It's almost like an addiction... they keep trying to get it right with the fantasy that someday this is all gonna be better."
[05:45]
Timestamp: [07:25]
Capricorn Clark reflects on the duality of Diddy's public persona versus his private behavior. She likens him to both a mafia boss and a cult leader, highlighting the extensive control he wielded over his inner circle and the broader industry.
Notable Quote:
Capricorn Clark: "He mixes kindness, rewards sometimes apologies, sometimes affection in various ways with the cruelty."
[07:42]
Timestamp: [09:19]
The conversation intensifies as Siobhan Scott brings up specific incidents, including Diddy's alleged involvement in violent actions against associates like Cassie Ventura and Kid Cootie. Capricorn Clark describes the psychological terror she and others experienced under Diddy's dominance.
Notable Quote:
Siobhan Scott: "He forced her into an SUV with a gun in his lap... coercive control."
[12:37]
Timestamp: [16:11]
The episode speculates on the possibility of additional undisclosed crimes committed by Diddy, drawing parallels to other high-profile cases like the Trump Hotel shooting. Capricorn Clark suggests that more victims may come forward once Diddy's conviction is secure.
Notable Quote:
Capricorn Clark: "There may be more stories that come out, more people willing to step forward and discuss the dirty things that have happened."
[19:47]
As the episode concludes, both Siobhan Scott and Capricorn Clark express a grim outlook on the extent of Diddy's alleged misconduct. They emphasize the need for ongoing investigations and hope that more victims will emerge to fully uncover the breadth of his actions.
Notable Quote:
Siobhan Scott: "This darkens the legacy of one of music's biggest names... seeking the truth in the cacophony of the court of public opinion and the legal system."
[20:10]
This episode of "The Downfall Of Diddy" provides a comprehensive psychological analysis of Sean 'P Diddy' Combs' alleged behavior, backed by expert testimony and firsthand accounts. It paints a disturbing picture of power, control, and the dark underbelly of celebrity culture.