FBI Insider on Diddy’s Prison Life & d4vd’s Tesla Case: Is More Coming?

Summary

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The Downfall Of Diddy | FBI Insider on Diddy’s Prison Life & d4vd’s Tesla Case: Is More Coming?

Hosted by: Tony Brueski
Guests: Jennifer Coffindaffer (Retired FBI Special Agent), Stacy Cole, Todd Michaels
Aired: October 14, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Tony Brueski and his co-hosts dive deep into two major cases clouded in controversy: Sean ‘P. Diddy’ Combs’ ongoing legal saga and incarceration, and the mysterious death of a 15-year-old girl found in the trunk of artist d4vd’s Tesla. Retired FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer provides expert analysis on both the aftermath and future legal jeopardy facing Diddy as he begins his prison term, as well as the lingering forensic questions and investigative hurdles in the d4vd Tesla case.

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Key Topics & Discussion Breakdown

1. Diddy’s Legal Exposure and Incarceration

The Federal Prosecution and What Comes Next

• Big Question: Does Diddy’s prison sentence shield him from further charges, or is future legal exposure likely?
• Jennifer Coffindaffer believes the federal government has already taken "their big bite of the apple" by pursuing RICO charges, but failed, except for two Mann Act convictions (transporting someone across state lines for sex work) ([02:29]).
  • Quote: "That big bite was a RICO bite and it failed. ...basically bringing somebody over to commit a prostitution type act. That's how they got him. But still, I'm going to tell you, for somebody like Diddy, four years is a long time." – Jennifer Coffindaffer [02:29]

What Will Prison Life Look Like for Diddy?

• Not headed to a state penitentiary, but rather a "low security" federal facility.
• Facilities described as clean, offering cable TV, gardening and baseball programs—contrary to harsh “hard time” perceptions ([04:03]).
  • Quote: "These facilities are actually relatively... everything's clean. There's cable tv, there's gardening programs, there's baseball programs. There's a lot to do there. ...it's much nicer than likely what you're picturing." – Jennifer Coffindaffer [04:03]
• Tony and Todd joke about the cushiness versus the criminality required to land there.
• Diddy will likely not receive his requested facility but will be kept in the NY/NJ area.
  • Even so, four years represents a major disruption in his life and career ([05:31], [06:12]).

Challenges and Opportunities Behind Bars

• Diddy is now forced to comply with strict prison rules; even minor infractions (cell phones, drugs) could extend his stay ([06:36]).
• As a billionaire, Diddy may become a coveted associate among white-collar inmates:
  • "You can bet that people are gonna want to ingratiate to Diddy while they are on the inside and that people that do that, he might be willing to give, you know, an accounting job too." – Coffindaffer [10:07]
• Likely to use his celebrity and resources to build alliances, but escape from true creativity (i.e., music recording) is unlikely ([12:47]).
• Tony speculates Diddy might emerge with a new persona—perhaps as a preacher or motivational figure ([19:36]-[20:05]).

Will Diddy Be Rehabilitated?

• Skepticism from Coffindaffer on the prospects for true remorse or reform:
  • Quote: "I wish I could think of a case where somebody was truly remorseful for their criminal act. And I, I, I can't think of one. ... They usually are just mad they got caught." – Jennifer Coffindaffer [17:55]

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2. d4vd’s Tesla Case: Forensic and Legal Mysteries

The Case So Far

• 15-year-old girl found deceased in the trunk (“frunk”) of artist d4vd’s Tesla on September 8.
• Cause and manner of death still pending; electronics seized, but little public progress.
• The forensic timeline (“weeks” between death and discovery), camera availability, and GPS tracking of the vehicle all complicate the investigation ([23:09], [23:43]).

Investigative Challenges and Open Questions

• The delay in arrests or named suspects suggests lack of critical evidence—possibly due to disabled or ineffective surveillance.
  • Quote: "They have to get a forensic anthropologist to explain how in the world she's deceased. And that's the problem. ...somebody tampered with her body, put her in that frunk and, and that is a very chargeable offense..." – Coffindaffer [21:14]
• The team discusses the possibility of a trafficking ring or larger scheme, noting that the girl was a runaway ([25:28]).
• Law enforcement may be holding back to pursue leads, set up undercover operations, or are genuinely stymied ([26:26]-[27:40]).

The Role of Public Perception and d4vd’s Actions

• d4vd’s withdrawals—cancelling tours, moving property into family names, going dark on social media—are seen as suspicious, but not proof of guilt ([30:41]-[33:40]).
  • Coffindaffer: “But most people, if he has a legitimate alibi... Most do not act this way. ...So I think his actions look really bad.” [34:41]
• Lack of public statements or gestures of sympathy worsen public opinion, even if legally prudent ([35:15]).

Coordination with Law Enforcement

• Conflicting information about d4vd's cooperation: His PR says he cooperates, LAPD says “can neither confirm nor deny” ([38:15]-[39:23]).
  • Coffindaffer: “That means he's not. When they are, you say they are.” [38:44]

The Pressure of Celebrity in Criminal Investigations

• Tony raises whether D4vd would already be arrested if he wasn’t a celebrity ([39:24]). Coffindaffer emphasizes the high stakes and “egg on the face” risk for prosecutors (post-Diddy, R. Kelly, Cosby); authorities must be thorough before making moves ([40:18]-[41:49]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the “Club Fed” perception:
  “When I say this is just ridiculous, this is a true Club Fed. [The warden said,] 'We don’t have any problems here. Keep everybody happy, they're distracted and that helps them do their job.'” – Coffindaffer [08:19]

• On Diddy’s transformation:
  “[H]e looks like an old man now. ...He doesn't have hair dye anymore, he doesn't have Botox in there. ...He’s a broken man in my opinion.” – Coffindaffer [16:46]

• On prison connections:
  “I fully expect him to make some very interesting connections inside, connections that could last on the outside because I've seen that before. That's just how it works in prison.” – Coffindaffer [15:42]

• On seeking remorse in past cases:
  “I wish I could think of a case where somebody was truly remorseful for their criminal act. And I, I can't think of one. They usually are just mad they got caught.” – Coffindaffer [17:55]

• On the d4vd investigation:
  “They have to get a forensic anthropologist to explain how in the world she's deceased. …Somebody tampered with her body, put her in that frunk and, and that is a very chargeable offense…” – Coffindaffer [21:14]

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Segment Timestamps

• 01:00 – Opening and episode theme
• 02:29 – Jennifer Coffindaffer analyzes failed RICO charges & Diddy’s current legal risk
• 04:03 – Describes conditions in federal prison
• 06:36 – Potential parole violations and surveillance within prison
• 10:07 – Discussion on Diddy forming alliances and leveraging his status in prison
• 11:38-13:17 – Possibilities for grandstanding, music production, and pursuing old habits in prison
• 17:55 – Question of whether Diddy could ever show true remorse or be rehabilitated
• 19:36 – Speculation about Diddy’s reinvention after release
• 21:14 – Deep dive into forensic/anthropological roadblocks in the d4vd case
• 23:09-23:43 – Timeline and evidence hurdles in the Tesla investigation
• 25:28 – Discussing possible trafficking ring and larger criminal implications
• 30:41 – Suspicion around d4vd’s post-incident actions, property transfers, and PR silence
• 38:15-39:23 – Questions about d4vd’s cooperation with police
• 40:18-41:49 – Balancing swift justice against the risk of a failed prosecution for high-profile figures

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Tone & Style

The podcast blends sober true crime inquiry with moments of sardonic humor and skepticism, particularly around celebrity privilege, public image, and the theatricality of high-profile trials. The hosts and guest, especially Jennifer Coffindaffer, ground their opinions in law enforcement experience but don’t hesitate to voice frank, sometimes darkly humorous, personal opinions.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode offers a shrewd, nuanced look at the complexities swirling around Diddy’s incarceration and ongoing civil exposure, as well as the manifold obstacles and public scrutiny surrounding the unresolved d4vd Tesla case. Expert analysis pulls back the curtain on celebrity justice, investigative realities, and the churn of rumor in high-profile legal drama.

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Transcript

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[Tony Bruski]

This is Hidden Killers live with Tony Bruski, Stacy Cole and Todd Michaels. Sean Diddy Combs no longer playing defense in the courtroom, he is serving time in a federal facility. But the big question now isn't just how long he will be behind bars, is whether prison actually ends his legal exposure or just pauses it. We're gonna break this down with what life is really going to look like now for Diddy on the inside now that he's shocked that he has to spend some time there and asking whether the FBI or federal prosecutors might still be, I don't know, circling. Maybe there's more to, to, to find here in the wreckage of Sean Diddy Combs. Joining us to discuss this morning, Jennifer Coffendaffer, retired FBI special Agent. I want to start but with this, obviously this was a big, big case. A lot of the things that were brought by the federal government did not succeed in landing convictions. But there's a lot in the world of Diddy, there's still hundreds literally of civil cases that are coming at him. That gives a lot of time for, I don't know, more things to come to light. What are your thoughts here with Diddy going behind bars? Could, and this is just pure speculation, do you think they're going to keep looking for more charges to throw it at Diddy on a criminal level or a federal level?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, Tony, no, I think they took their big bite of the apple. That big bite was a RICO bite and it failed. And because of that, and again, RICO is so Encompassing. It makes the statute of limitations non existent. It makes all the things he, they thought he did, right. The arson and crimes that were out of statute of limitations, that brought them all in and they failed to be quite frank other than those two man act charges. Basically bringing somebody over to commit a prostitution type act. That's how they got. But still, I'm going to tell you, for somebody like Diddy, four years is a long time.

[Tony Bruski]

It is, yeah. That's what I'm wondering about, you know, because it is. I mean it's, I know he, the, the reports are that he's very, you know, he's shaken by this. He thought he was going walk and do time served and now he's there and he's gonna be there for several years and there's concern he's gonna be broke by the time he's out. I don't know. He's got a lot of money, there's a lot of cases, but money will only go so far, especially if you're not necessarily raking any in at the moment in time. So there's a lot that can happen in those handful of years. Let's talk about life itself behind bars with, with his new life, 50 months. What kind of situation is he going into in the, the bureau of Prisons here as, as, as Diddy as a celebrity? Are there any sort of considerations being made for him?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, let me describe these facilities. Facilities. First of all, this is not a state pen, this is not a jail situation. These facilities are actually relatively. Everything's clean. There's cable tv, there's gardening programs, there's baseball programs. There's a lot to do there. As long as you keep your nose clean, there's going to be a lot of opportunity. Obviously he'll be in the rehab, you know, you know, free rehab for him. But this probably is not exactly what everybody might be picturing. It's much nicer than likely what you're picturing.

[Todd Michaels]

How do I sign up for something like that? I mean, this sounds lovely. Actually, it sounds like a program you'd join at the Y. You know, all you have to do.

[Tony Bruski]

Is get some, just, just get some people to travel state lines for sex purposes. Yeah, let me get caught.

[Todd Michaels]

Order some baby oil. I'll see if I can get started.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, might as well. I mean, so what kind of, you know, we're talking about this facility here. Cause a lot of people are thinking, okay, well this is gonna be hard time. There's of course different types of facilities, some that are a little bit lighter than others. Specifically where he is going. What do we know? I mean specifically of what kind of life he's going to be leading behind bars?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, we know specifically they have asked for one specific. It's a very low security type facility in New Jersey. And the judge all but said he's not getting that, but say he would keep him within the New York, New Jersey, you know, that sort of area because. And that makes some sense. He's only going to be there four years, which I still want to say four years. Just think about that in your life. That if I looked ahead at four years and said I'm going to be in a prison not free, I mean, it's going to be rough on him, even if in a garden.

[Todd Michaels]

These pictures, Todd, that you're showing, these are new to me. I feel like I haven't seen them. Was he like really leaning on the chair and like bawling?

[Tony Bruski]

Yes, that was him in prison.

[Todd Michaels]

How did I miss that in court?

[Tony Bruski]

This is his sentencing the other day.

[Todd Michaels]

Holy crap, I missed that.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, I guess you did.

[Todd Michaels]

That's news to me. I didn't realize he reacted that. Goodness.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

He did. And, and you know, 50 months, as I keep saying, it's a long time. And that's if he doesn't mess up. Yeah, that's. There's no fight. If he doesn't get somebody to sneak in his cell phone, if he doesn't get a little weed on the side, that's if he's perfect in 50 months. If he's not, he could be looking at more. I should say he's going to serve 85%. If he messes, he could get the full 50 months and they're going to.

[Todd Michaels]

Be watching him like a hawk. Like they're going to be watching for weed and all, all kinds of stuff coming in, aren't they?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, not any more than they watch anybody else. You know, most of these people serving federal time, there's a lot of people that have some celebrity or at least celebrity in the criminal world. A lot of the people in there are white collar crime criminals that have, you know, bilked people out of millions and millions of dollars. But they're going to be. He's not going to be seen any different other than they're going to make sure that nobody tries to make a name for themselves by killing. But at these low, kill low the security level he's at, I don't think we're going to have any hardened criminals in there right next door to him.

[Tony Bruski]

And that's what I was wondering about, I mean you almost said low kill there, but I mean it kind of is, it's like it's a low kill level facility. Likely where he is going, where you don't have necessarily sort of atmosphere. Is this going to be compared to where he's been? Because he's been obviously in the New York system there in the jail. Compared to that in terms of rough and how difficult it is and risk, what are we, what is he looking at?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

You're looking at. Okay, I would judge that at a scale of about seven or eight where he's at now, just on the scale of gross danger, you know, not good food, in the mix with other people who could be problematic. We're going to be down to about a 2. He's not going to get a minimum security, but he should get and likely will get a low security. So we're going to be at about a two. And I'm serious, they offer so many programs. It's when I say programs, things that they're allowed to do. Look, they want to keep these guys busy so there aren't any issues. And you know, I had a conversation with a warden once about that. I said this is just ridiculous. This is a true Club Fed. He said, jen, we don't have any problems here. Keep everybody happy, they're distracted and that helps them do their job well and.

[Todd Michaels]

That keeps them safe. So.

[Tony Bruski]

And is that, is that such a bad. I mean it is supposed to be a rehabilitation program. So some that we actually do that have rehabilitation type acts. I get the attitude is going to be, this is crazy, you don't deserve any of this, you're here to serve time. But it probably does work better when you have everybody busy and you're not just having everyone angry and the only skill that they're learning is how to be more conniving and deal with other manipulative human beings and get bulked at the same time. That doesn't exactly set anybody up to walk out and not repeat, offend. So maybe this does make a little more sense. Although Diddy, I'm sure is gonna find a way to work the system to his advantage. What do you see in terms of Diddy putting his mark on the next three to four years behind bars?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, when you look at is a billionaire, I don't wanna forget that because that's huge. You talked about how much money he had. Yes, it's slowly trickling away. These lawyers, believe me, are taking millions of it. But he's got a lot of money and you can bet that people are gonna want to ingratiate to Diddy while they are on the inside and that people that do that, he might be willing to give, you know, an accounting job too. Right. Most of these people are going to be hard white collar type criminals that have committed horrible financial fraud. So I could see him making some friends in there, definitely. That could be. Become friends on the outside as well.

[Tony Bruski]

Wouldn't that be interesting? He could make some more fine people that will, will help work in the empire and. But, but maybe not the most ethical as well. That could be an interesting mix. I've been saying this and I, and I wonder what we're going to see. Do you think we're going to see Diddy trying to, to do the same sort of things that he did when he was behind bars in jail where he started? The, the class that was sanctioned through the Bureau of Prisons, the. What was it, free game or something? He called it teaching basically, you know, the life and times of Diddy and how to be a good business person. Is that something? Are we gonna see him still trying to grandstand, you think behind bars, is there gonna be room for him to do that sort of thing behind bars in a prison system?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

I think somewhat, but it'll mostly be, you know, in my opinion, okay, I'm sardonic. It's. It's going to be more for show. I see what he's going to be trying to figure out is how am I going to remain celibate for 50 months. I mean, I'm used to freak offs. So I see, I see that going on behind bars and there being an issue more with that piece of his world that he's going to have to give up. I don't know how he's going to give it up behind bars.

[Todd Michaels]

Do you think?

[Tony Bruski]

Is that going to be a problem for him if he's not, doesn't care?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

I think he'll find a way. I mean, you know, I think he'll find a way behind bars. And I picture, you know, a lot of diddling going on behind, but I.

[Tony Bruski]

Think a lot of Diddy diddling is.

[Todd Michaels]

Just gonna say that question for you. Do you think he would be able to do any recording any musical things, you know, as rehab? Would they allow him to do anything like that? Since they would allow country club activities, would they allow him to continue to do some music back there?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

You know, it's a great question. I have never seen anything like that. A sound studio or microphones and all the prisons I've been In Never seen anything like that. I don't think that would be allowed. I mean, he's going to have a lot of time in solitude. Those doors are going to bang. These are not going to be Ritz Carlton meals. It's gonna be a huge life change for him. But he's been in a facility that's gonna be worse. But back to your question. I don't expect there to be any ditty tunes. And let's be honest, he was never a good singer anyway.

[Tony Bruski]

No, no. I mean, it wouldn't be the. But I mean, honest to God, if they have access to an iPad, he can make an album. There's so many younger artists that are coming up today that don't even need the studios that are using just simply their iPad to record. And I'm touching my face. Cause my allergies are horrible right now, by the way, in case you're watching.

[Todd Michaels]

Put you into a bubble suit.

[Tony Bruski]

I'm trying to like, not sneeze while I talk. So I'm like rubbing my nose as I'm going through this. Like, don't sneeze, don't sneeze. Allergies are horrible.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

It makes me itch.

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah, I know. I want to rub my eyes now. It's like a yawn. It's contagious.

[Tony Bruski]

Diddy still, obviously there's all these civil suits that are out against him. Is that going to be used as field trip days for him to get out to go, you know, make appearances in court, you think? Or is he going to have a more of a vested interest of not appearing in court and just having all those sort of things handled by his attorneys? Less press in that case being a positive for him even. You know, typically he's everywhere, no matter good or bad. But I would think maybe staying out of the spotlight as best as possible with the words, you know, essay around you might be beneficial.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Yeah, and his attorneys are going to be able to handle most things. Now, obviously, if he's deposed, he has no fifth amendment right against self incrimination now that this case is over. So all of that is on the table for him to be deposed. But even in that situation, most likely they would do that remotely. Most depositions take place that way anyway, post Covid. And that's how they're going to do these.

[Tony Bruski]

Do you think there's any risk of. I mean, Diddy is resourceful. Diddy has always found ways of getting into things. I am curious. Do you think there's the likelihood we're gonna see Diddy get involved in any sort of illegal schemes from behind bars that may lead to new charges with other folks that are behind bars as well for other things. Fraud, coercion, blackmail, things of that nature. I, I'm just, I'm just kind of an opinion based question. Do you think we're going to see him getting into any trouble behind bars or is he going to really walk a very clear line as much as possible to get out as fast as he possibly can?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

He's going to want to get out fast, but again, he's in there a long time and that's going to be a long period of time for a lot of temptation. You know, he has led a completely different life than these last couple this last year or so that he's been locked up. And Tony, I think it's going to be tough for him to walk the straight narrow again. I fully expect him to make some very interesting connections inside, connections that could last on the outside because I've seen that for. That's just how it works in prison. But in terms of deal dealings and everything with inside, I expect him to have all sorts of deals going on because that's what they do inside. They have to survive and they have to meet their needs.

[Tony Bruski]

The attitude of Diddy on the outside is very different than the attitude of Diddy on the inside. Basically, I would hear most look at him like, don't want to touch him. Like it's just not. Doesn't look good to be connected. But on the inside he still very much maintains that celebrity, does he not?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Yeah, I think he will. They all know they're in there for various crimes. And it's not like they got him on, you know, molesting a child or killing a child. You know, the actual charges. And believe me, these inmates are going to know the full breadth of the charges, even the ones he wasn't convicted of. And I just think that his celebrity will take over. And also look at the guy, he looks like an old man now. If when I've posted those pictures, people say, are you just making that up? Is that really Diddy? I'm like, yep, that's Diddy. He doesn't have hair dye anymore, he doesn't have Botox in there. And he's done a complete transformation, in my opinion, as to how he looked on the outside. So, you know, he's, he's a broken man in my opinion. You saw him there down on his knees. He's mentally broken, but he's a survivor. He'll find a way on the inside. It's not going to be that bad compared.

[Todd Michaels]

Do you think he'll be rehabbed at all? Do you think he will truly have some remorse for what he did and this might shape him up?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

No, I just can't think of it. I wish I could think of a case where somebody was truly remorseful for their criminal act. And I, I, I can't think of1. In 28 years of working law enforcement and even on the outside working the crimes I work, I can't think of one. They usually are just mad they got caught.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, I don't think he's capable.

[Todd Michaels]

Narcissists do get mad that they got caught. It's not that they were thinking, gee, I shouldn't be doing this. No, this thing that I'm doing, it's, oh, shit, I just got caught.

[Tony Bruski]

He's not capable of feeling that. That's the thing. It's not a Will he, Is he going to be convinced? Is there going to be enough pressure on him? Is he going to. No, it's like, it's not an option for him. It's just, to me, it's like going to a blind person and going, do you think you're going to be able to see now that you ran all those people off the road when you were driving a car while you were blind? No, they weren't able to see then, they're not able to see now. They're never going to be able to see. And that. I think it's just how some people are. It's just how. And that's what enables the behavior to go, I think, to such lengths that we see in someone like Diddy and why it went where it did. It's, it's a scary aspect of, of Diddy.

[Todd Michaels]

I wonder what the people in the prison are going to do with him. I mean, do you think he's gonna have like his little lunch crowd that he hangs out with? Is he gonna come up with it? Well, they wouldn't do knitting, would they? Because you need actual knitting needles. I'm thinking this through out loud. I just, I wonder what kind of a group he's going to bond with. You know, like a religious group, musical group, you know, maybe he'll do acapella singing in there.

[Tony Bruski]

You know, I think he's gonna be a preacher. Honest to God. I think that's his way out. I think when Diddy comes out, Diddy is going to be a mega preacher. I'm not even joking. I know it sounds somewhat nutty, but I think that that's the route he's gonna take, he's got. It's just, it's gonna be this redeemed man that, oh, I found God. And I'm so sorry. Look at me, I'm here to help everybody redeem themselves. While at the end of the day it's just all a narcissism. And everybody look at me.

[Todd Michaels]

He could start his own megachurch when he gets out.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah. People would go, yeah, I could, I could see that. And can you imagine the financial fraud that would be flowing through that megachurch?

[Todd Michaels]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Wow.

[Tony Bruski]

If that were to take place. Let's move over to the, the David case. Cutting through a lot of the noise over there. 15 year old found on September 8th in the 4th of the impounded Tesla owned by artist David. The cause and manner still pending. Electronics seized in the property of David. There's still a lot of questions, a lot of rumor, a lot of not knowing really any information other than they found a woman who was friends with David at some point in time in a frunk of a car. And that's what we know. That's pretty much, you know, the, the, the end and the end all be all at this moment in time, so many weeks in. Jennifer Coffendaffer, retired FBI Special Agent. Why is it, why are we so far into this in terms of time and there is no arrest? What does that tell you about what's going on behind the scenes?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, this is the biggest problem. They have to get a forensic anthropologist to explain how in the world she's deceased. And that's the problem. Was it a homicide?

[Todd Michaels]

Was it.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

And I can't imagine this a suicide, and then somebody took her body and put her in there. Was it completely accidental, like an overdose? I mean, to me the one thing that cannot be denied is somebody tampered with her body, put her in that frunk and, and that is a very chargeable offense that is. The only thing that's bothering me is why in the world haven't they been able to identify that person? And the only conclusion I can make is because the cameras were disabled or the cameras were enabled, but the person was Brian Coburger, kitted out and like I said, didn't have the big eyebrows to distinguish him or her.

[Tony Bruski]

But we're talking about a very heavily trafficked area. There are other security cameras beyond the car. You know, you're gonna have street cams, you're gonna have ring cams, you're gonna, God knows however many other cams. That's why I'm just kind of surprised this far in, I can't imagine they're sitting going, well, the security features on the car weren't working. I guess we're screwed. They gotta be like, okay, the car was here, the car was there, it was at these locations. And I cannot imagine they don't know who the hell or have a good idea who was in possession of that vehicle. And it likely wasn't David, considering his location. While some of these things would have been going on at least moving in the vehicle doesn't appear he could have physically possibly been there. But it's your car, somebody within your orbit was. How on earth have we not figured that out yet?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, I think in line with that question is when did she really die? Yeah, we know, weeks. Weeks is so broad. What is happening with their timeline? You know, they have the timeline from when she was discovered. They have the ticket on the car back, I believe it was the 29th was the ticket. So we know the card was there. Then we have this severe decomposition. But again in a plastic bag in Los Angeles over all those weeks, she's going to be severely decomposed. I already showed you. I don't think there's any possible way to put her body in there other than to have it dismembered, which was the original reporting from KT la. So the point is, when did all of this happen? And that vehicle tracking system is still going to exist. There's still GPS on that system. They should be able to have a tightened up timeline by this point. It's just putting who is in that timeline. I guess they have to be struggling with.

[Tony Bruski]

Are they struggling? I guess there's a lot of ways this could be going and that's what the behind the curtain. What's the wizard doing that makes it all the more curious is okay, are they struggling to figure out who did this or have they discovered this is something bigger? Do you think we could be looking at that? Could we be looking at some sort of look? And I'm not trying to accuse David of anything, but I don't know who his circle is or who he runs with or somebody within that circle. Could we be looking at something larger, a trafficking circle or some sort. She was a runaway, you know, obviously on and off she's reported missing. So you know, this is the. If this is the type of folks that they're hanging around with or that circle is hanging around with. It also happens to be the type of circle of folks that end up being trafficked as well. So that's what I'm wondering, like, are we going to find something else? Is there something bigger at play here where let's not disturb the ecosystem more than it already has been so we can get our tentacles in here and discover something bigger and larger and stop more people from being hurt Beyond Celeste.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, I love the question, but when you look at these cases, if you're the wizard, you better damn well get the tin man, the straw man, and the lion in and start questioning them and whoever put her in that trunk. And obviously they don't know, because if they did, I can tell you already done that. Arrest and putting pressure on them for desecration of a corpse and mistreatment of a corpse and hiding a corpse, those are all legal. You know, those are laws. And I would have them in there, and I would be putting the screws to them to work that web out. That, I think, is the most confusing part to me. Okay, you don't know whether. How this happened, but, you know, she got in there. Why. Why is that person not been identified? And that's the surprising part to me, with all the cameras and, you know, the timeline from that vehicle. Why can't they figure out who put her in the trunk?

[Todd Michaels]

Is there any chance that they know who this is and they're just biding their time trying to piece things together and. And we're gonna find out? Or do you think they really just don't know?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

I think they don't know because I. I can't imagine not putting the screws to that person. And that means taking away their liberty and making them uncomfortable in a jail cell where they have to think about, am I going to cover for how this all happened? So I just can't imagine that behind the scenes they're just interviewing that person they would normally want to put the screws to them unless they're trying to work some sort of undercover situation, which that does happen when you know one person is responsible, at least for part of the crime. Sometimes you want to be working an undercover operation where you're wiring them up, you're sending them in, you're trying to get conversations, you're making phone calls, you're trying to get the people that might have been involved to talk. And if you're sitting there in a jail cell, nobody's going to talk. So that's about the only alternative scenario other than they don't know. Right. It's either they know and they're doing this alternative possibility, or they just don't know.

[Tony Bruski]

That's a big question when you don't have a lot of information. Any sort of noise in a case becomes headline news. Oh my gosh, what is this about? And it doesn't all necessarily mean that it matters, that it has anything to do with it. We had heard about the swatting calls to a property that is owned by David's family, his mother and father owning it. And we'll talk about the property transfer in just a few moments. But I wanna talk first about the swatting call. Cause a lot of people are bringing that up of, oh, my gosh, is this connected? Does this have something to do with the person who did this to Celeste? I don't even understand why we're jumping into any sort of connection other than there's this big story around this celebrity and somebody figured out where the parents live and they made a swatting call. The kids do this shit all the time. I don't see why that this necessarily even connects in any way, shape or form to the case.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

I think the way it connects is so remote. And that is, David, we think you're responsible for this. We're going to make your life uncomfortable and your family's life uncomfortable. We got the numbers. We're going to do a SWAT call. That's how I see it. You know, a lot of people in the audience, a lot of people on my platform, everybody is pretty much convinced it's David. He hasn't been charged, but he's. His actions look terrible. You know, why do you. Why do you cancel your entire conference schedule abroad and here unless the police have said you can't go abroad. Yeah, here, you know, I mean, he's gone in total hiding. That is normally what somebody would do. Remember, there's nothing that's. They haven't even named him a suspect.

[Tony Bruski]

That's true. That's a good point. Because when you look at. And not to say that because one other celebrity handled this way, that the other would handle it that way, but when you had like the R. Kelly's of the world and things like that, and R. Kelly, like, specifically, he still was out there touring until like, they literally locked him away and said, no more. To go into complete hiding, I guess, is I guess what I think a lot of us would have expected other artists would have done when stuff's hitting the fan. But he. Others did not. But he is. So, yes, it looks suspicious, but is it? I mean, I'm gonna play devil's advocate there for a second. And you can't go on world tours and such if your funding is dried up either. So I Think you could look at that and I don't know the answer to that, but if you have a bunch of sponsors that are enabling you to go and tour and they're suddenly saying, yeah, we're not gonna fund this anymore because you breached the contract based on this being a story, I could see there's not really much of an option to go to her if there's no dollars to put you there either.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Okay, couple of things on that. Okay, first of all, let's just 20 grand a month that he was paying for his house, right? Not a big number for people in that circle. But all of a sudden he moves out of there, okay. And then your sponsors aren't going to dry up on you if your story is legitimate, if you say, listen, you know, I was touring with you, I had nothing to do with this car. Five other people, you know, dealt with the car. I haven't seen Celeste since July. I don't know anything about this. And if it passes the smell test, I don't think all of that's going to dry up. All of a sudden I just. By the very fact that sponsorship, the tour, everything has completed. Completely alienated from David, despite the money to be made, especially with all this publicity, they would be sold out at every venue. Everybody would want to look at the potential front killer. Right? So. But we have nothing. And I, for me, I think that's a big deal. You mentioned R. Kelly. How about Diddy? How about.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, did they tip? Yeah.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Prosecutor hide in a turtle shell and just stop their ability to earn a living? I mean, this is really a big deal. I think so.

[Tony Bruski]

You would say his actions after the fact have looked far more suspicious and possibly criminal. I mean, obvious. All speculation. He's not been charged with anything. But they look, his actions after the fact are what's raising your eyebrows more than anything else.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Yeah, his actions, the complete withdrawal from society, from his tour, just basically saying, okay, millions and millions of dollars. I'm not gonna go out and make that.

[Tony Bruski]

What about the property records? Cause that's another piece that we've been seeing about this last week, two pieces of property moved into his parents names or his mom's name, from what we understand, allegedly. And this happening shortly after the body was found in the trunk. It was just a kind of a silent move. And again, I'm going to play devil's advocate. This doesn't necessarily mean any sort of guilt, but if you are envisioning, oh, there could be a legal windfall or issue coming your way that could threaten these Sort of things civilly or criminally, Whether you had anything to do with it or not. You can't necessarily control the wave that's going to come at you. If one of your associates did this and your name's attached to it, you're gonna wanna protect yourself. Especially if you had nothing to do with this. Do you see that? The movement of those properties to shield them. Cause clearly that's the reason for it. There's no other reason why you'd move these things around as something that leans more towards an area of involvement, guilt or just smart business move.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, it looks bad. There's no way to say it doesn't look bad. Yes, you bring up a good possibility that he just thinks he's going to take the fall. So he wants to make sure he protects his assets and put them. Puts them in his mom's name, I believe they said. Yeah, both of those properties. But most people, if he has a legitimate, an alibi, if he has a legitimate, you know, way to distance himself from what happened to Celeste, most do not act this way. Most. In fact, if he loved this world enough to get a tattoo and become a hello Kitty sponsor, why in the world is he not showing a little bit of. Even if it's just to come on and say Celeste was a close friend of mine. Oh, my God. I can't believe this happened. We're not seeing anything, so I think his actions look really bad.

[Todd Michaels]

It's a weird PR move to stay silent. I understand not wanting to say anything, but he could have said something, anything.

[Tony Bruski]

But he is damned if he is. Damned if he doesn't. I kind of feel like, isn't he? I mean, what are you gonna do? I mean, if he comes out and says something. Oh, he's trying to cover it up. If he comes out and you also may have camp going. See, he had nothing to do with it. He's human. I don't know that the guy can win in any way, shape or form here other than just shutting up. In terms of opening himself up to liability.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, he may not win, but he could certainly move the public meter in his favor if he given a written statement about how terrible he feels about this death. Even as somebody who you know, isn't. I mean, none of us are close to Celeste, but all of us have this feeling of empathy for this sure year old. Not even 15. She was found the day after she would have turned 15. She 14 of of the strife of this young girl. And clearly he knew her. So to say something even in written form so you could run it past your lawyer and be safe. The other thing is, he didn't even go to her funeral.

[Todd Michaels]

I don't think that's a problem.

[Tony Bruski]

I was going to ask about that. I mean, it was a small, private. And again, Devil's. He may not have been invited to the funeral. I mean, if you're the family and you're burying your runaway daughter that has had this real weird, questionable relationship with this celebrity, do you want that celebrity at your daughter's funeral? If you could say, please don't show up, I think I'd be saying, please don't show up again. I kind of got to look at it both ways. Jen.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Yeah, no, I like your point. This happened with Karen Reed too, right? But that was a huge funeral. Thousands of people she could have easily melted into the background. She didn't go to the funeral either. Obviously the family didn't want them there because they believed she son. But back to this point, you make a good point. They might have said, we don't want you to go there, but I don't even know that they would know how to contact him. I mean, the bottom line is, I think it's just optics. You know, you want to get the public on your side. He's done nothing to get the public on his side.

[Tony Bruski]

Are you surprised? I mean, because it's often times. It's not like when a celebrity's in a situation, they suddenly are gifted the wisdom from above as to how to handle this. They have PR people and that happens because they have money, because they have record label, because they have things that are behind them that have a vested interest in this person not spinning out into oblivion and taking their cash cow with them. I'm wondering what the hell's going on here. There's been some pretty bad PR people over the years too. I mean, Cosby's had some horrible ones. There's been some Diddy's had some horrible ones where it's like, wow, do you work next to the Rent, a center over in the mini mall? Is that where your PR firm is? But there's usually something here. There's nothing. At least, at least not very public facing compared to what we've seen with other celebrities in other very questionable situations.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Yeah. You know, I'm really curious as to how much power he has with his PR people. In other words, you know that a lot of the people behind the scenes, the public figure they have a lot of power. They're really running the show and they're not listening. So Is he listening to his PR people?

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah.

[Todd Michaels]

Does he have.

[Tony Bruski]

I guess that's a good question.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, he does. We know he PR people because his PR representative came out and said, right after she was found, my client is fully cooperating with authorities. Okay, we have that statement, but we also have that statement that just came out where from lapd, the detective on the case where he said said, I can neither confirm nor deny that he's cooperating with authority.

[Tony Bruski]

What does that mean to you when you hear that?

[Todd Michaels]

What does that say?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

That means he's not. When they are, you say they are.

[Tony Bruski]

Oh, okay.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

That's why.

[Todd Michaels]

Why would they be so vague about that? Why would they. Why would they say it that way?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

They say it that way for a couple reasons. First of all, if he's done anything at all, made contact, you know, had an attorney make contact, they don't want to say he's completely uncooperative. And some law enforcement authorities will call out. We'll just call it the way it is. He's not cooperating. But to me, this makes it seem like he's not cooperating. But they're holding out for a change. That's how I see it.

[Todd Michaels]

Okay, interesting.

[Tony Bruski]

I wonder how long you wait to hold that out to see what's going to happen here with a change. If there's ever to be a. Anything I. It at some point. He owns the. If. If this guy wasn't David the artist, if he's, you know, David who works, you know, down the road at the. The Sitco, and his main job during the day is changing out the Slurpee machine, and they found a body in the trunk of his car. Would we be sitting here all these weeks later with nothing going on with that individual? Or are they handling this a lot more cautiously because there's celebrity involved? Because if you screw this up, if you really destroy his name by going too hard too quick, and he really didn't have anything to do with it, you open your ass up for a huge lawsuit as well.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

Well, and I think, yes, it's definitely your points that you make, Tony, and then add to it some of the egg on the face we've seen late. And again, Diddy is the perfect example. Yeah, because once you charge, the clock is ticking. And these smart lawyers are starting to say, you know what? We know we might not be ready. We don't have the burden of proof. We're going to let the clock tick. We're not going to say we're going to give up our, you know, liability in terms of the amount of time that you have to bring the case forward. And this is something new that we're just seeing now. Most of the time that is waived. Like in the case of the Idaho four, they waived that right away. They said, we don't care about our speedy trial. We're not at all ready. That's the stance they took. But you look at these other trials, what they're doing now is they're saying, you know what? We're ready. Bring it on. And the problem is a lot of cases, like, I think with the Diddy, I don't think they were full bread.

[Todd Michaels]

This is such a game of chess, isn't it? I mean, there's so much strategy on the back end of this that I think the public just doesn't understand.

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

It is. It's a lot of chess, and you only get one bite at the apple. As. As I've said before. And because this case is blown up in the media, most, you know, anybody in true crime, and that's a newsie, has heard about this case, and they have to make sure that they don't get it wrong. They gotta get it right the first time.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah. And that's what's so confusing about this case is everybody's jumping at anything and everything that they possibly can because they're desperate for a piece of this story. I mean, we're looking at it every day going, okay, well, what's new? Like, some days there's just no angle to cover. So, you know, and if. If you need to do something, then people will dissect some angle or make it bigger than it actually is. But I think that's what's really important. And this is to look at every angle and go, okay, this is a mountain, not a molehill, and vice versa. Because you could, I guess some could pitch it either way. And if you're looking for answers, one could interpret everything as being mountains when they're truly not. And then that gets in the way of just getting to justice and figuring out what actually took place. It's fascinating. We'll see. We'll see where this goes. Do you feel like we're any closer? Like we're going to be seeing an arrest or a charge or something sometime soon against someone?

[Jennifer Coffendaffer]

I think right now all the cards are on the table of that forensic anthropologist. There is so much to go through for them to figure out what happened, because apparently we don't have a gunshot wound. So we can just. That is out, in my opinion. That's out. As if that were the situation. And anything to do with blunt force trauma is going to be masked in some way by all the, you know, the degradation of the body. So now they've got to figure out what substances are in here. And unfortunately those aren't overnight. And even though this is an important case in the public side, Listen, they have 50 more cases that were likely ahead of this case. Yeah, because as the Citgo worker that you know was involved, possibly murder, they've got all those Citgo cases too that we never hear about.

[Tony Bruski]

Yeah, yeah. It's still waiting in line. You don't get the fast pass just because you're a celebrity in something like this. It's going to be fascinating to continue to watch. Jennifer Coffendaffer, retired FBI Special Agent as always, thank you for coming on and giving your insight into this one. Break the Case is Jen's podcast. You can get it wherever you get podcasts, just search Break the Case with Jennifer Coffendaffer on YouTube or like I said, wherever podcasts are available. All right, that's going to wrap up today's episode of the program. Let us know your thoughts in the comments section on YouTube or again, wherever you're getting podcasts, just search henningkillers with Tony Bruski. Until next time for for Jen, for Stacy, for Todd. I'm Tony Brusky. We'll talk again real soon. Want more on this case and others? Then press subscribe now. And don't miss a moment of true crime coverage from Tony Brewski and the Hidden Killers podcast.

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