C (3:05)

What he should get versus what he will get, That's. That's the big question.

A (3:08)

Yeah.

C (3:09)

I can't believe he got acquitted on so many of the charges as it was. So I have no idea. I really don't have any idea. But what's interesting. So when I first saw about his class, the first thing that struck me was the class is about him because Diddy's in the title. Yeah. Then of course, the curiosity strikes in. So I nearly did a deep dive. All right. How many other inmates conduct classes? How many do these things? And, and also then I said, how often has did he done these things in the past? When's the first time he did these things? So I'm always looking for what, that arc.

A (3:37)

Yeah.

C (3:38)

And so I discovered the ark and it came to where we are now. So then you ask yourself, had he not been in jail, would he have done such a philanthropic type thing? No. No. So. So there's. There. I don't see remorse here. I see. Now granted, the other first impression I had was, oh, this guy's genius. You know, then you look at the content and I'm sure. So here's what's interesting. I'm sure, because is talented. And so this is where we see someone with that objective eye. He's got a lot of talent and he's got a lot to offer, but he's been so corrupted by that self serving narcissism that it's a shame it's getting lost in that because I'm sure, like when he first started his first school years ago, it was for inner city youth. You know, I'm trying to look through my notes right now to find a title of it. It got great reviews. He was doing good things. But then if you look at the arc of him doing that, those. Those things to serve a community, his involvement got more distant. He started handing it off to people. And even in the prison, I looked at this. He's got a teaching assistant. So how much is he really doing? I mean, who gets a teaching assistant? You're a Freaking convict. It's a shame because I think people like him, you didn't get to where they are without having talent. And I get this feeling that it's being wasted. But, yeah, this is. To me, it's a. It's an arc part of his manipulation, because you don't go from being what he's accused of to all of a sudden having this aha moment before he's sentenced. You know, these are kind of things that you go to prison after 10, 15, 20 years. And during that process, then you have your aha moment. The Titanic hits or is coming up on an iceberg. You turn that rudder hard over. Ship starts slowly moving, and you still hitting the iceberg, but not as much. So 0 to 100 on him. I don't believe it.

A (5:30)

Wait till you hear the letter. And we'll break it down and we'll stop at places. But I also want to say 50 Cent also released a statement or a letter to the judge, if you will, this morning. And I'll read it right here. I'm gonna have to turn to do this. I have had an ongoing dispute with Puffy for over 20 years. He's very dangerous. Starts Dear Judge Submarine. He's very dangerous. Multiple times I have feared for my life. I think you should consider the safety of the general public, your honor, before unleashing him upon them. There hasn't been enough time for him to reform or make any adjustments, despite his trying to teach a class in there. As you're already aware, the government has spent the maximum amount of money on deploying federal agencies, which appeared to be an army in two locations simultaneously. Later, his son, who's dealing with his own rape allegations, claimed that the feds had hit the wrong house. Anyway, Diddy's only going to return to hiring more male sex workers and keeping most of the baby oil away from the general public.

C (6:41)

Oh, my.

A (6:42)

And babies need it. He says. My Netflix doc on this scandalous subject is coming soon. So it's kind of a dig and kind of, I think, serious at the same time. But also, he's been finding a lot of humor in the darkness of this as of we. But that's the statement from 50 Cent this morning.

C (7:06)

Look at behavior is rewarding. I mean, just. Even the acquittal. Look at the behavior. It's rewarding. I really hope that the judge does some justice for the victims that didn't have justice by the fact of the sentence. Not the sentence, the convictions. I mean, what a. What a. What a sham.

A (7:24)

Let's start to listen to the letter here. And. And we'll stop if you want it to stop. If you want to make a comment, just raise your hand, throw something at your screen. Do whatever you need to do. You know, just scream stop. Or something like that.

B (7:39)

Careful what you wish for.

C (7:41)

Or, Tony, sing a song.

A (7:42)

All right, here we go.

D (7:43)

Dear Judge Subramanian, I hope this letter finds you well and in good health and spirits. Thank you for the opportunity to express my thoughts to you. First and foremost, I want to apologize and say how sincerely sorry I am for all of the hurt and pain that I have caused others by my conduct. I take full responsibility and accountability for my past wrongs. This has been the hardest two years of my life, and I have no one to blame for my current reality and situation but myself. In my life, I have made many mistakes, but I am no longer running from them. I am so sorry for the hurt that I caused. But I understand that the mere words I'm sorry will never be good enough, as these words alone cannot erase the pain from the past. Over the past 13 months, I've had to look in the mirror like never before. My pain became my teacher. My sadness was my motivator. I have to admit, my downfall was rooted in my selfishness. The scene and images of me assaulting Cassie play over and over in my head daily. I literally lost my mind. I was dead wrong for putting my hands on the woman that I loved. I'm sorry for that and always will be. My domestic violence will always be a heavy burden that I will have to forever carry. The remorse, the sorrow, the regret, the disappointment, the shame. I honestly feel sorry for something that I couldn't forgive someone else for if they put their hands on one of my daughters. This is why it is so hard for me to forgive myself. It is like a deep wound that leaves an ugly scar. Your Honor, I thought I was providing for Jane concerning her and her child, but after hearing her testimony, I realized that I hurt her. For this, I am deeply sorry. And I go my way. I got.

A (9:32)

That's the part that he's talking about the relationships, about Cassie. And then there's the other Jane Doe that was brought up in the trial. That's who he's addressing there. But he's gonna go into other areas on this list. So I wanna talk first about the Cassie and the other one that he thought he was providing for. What are you getting so far? And I should note this, too. That is not Diddy actually reading this. So before you go. Oh, he sounds heartless. It's AI okay, that is an AI Version of him reading the letter.

B (10:07)

It feels like a song. It sounds like he wrote, I can't. I haven't had coffee today.

C (10:13)

Help me.

B (10:14)

Sorry. Let me start that over. It sounds like lyrics, like he is writing a song. Did it have kind of. I mean, obviously it was the cadence, but to me, it felt like he was. There was a bridge of some sort.

A (10:26)

Oh, believe me, that idea ran through my mind last night when I was putting that together. I mean, I was, like, literally thinking of, like, ooh, with AI I could, like, literally turn this into lyrics. I could have him rap it. I could put it to beats. And then I said, it's midnight. I'd like to go to bed. And so you get classical music and Diddy reading it. That's what you got. But no, I mean. And look, it's very eloquently written, I'll give him that. He wrote it pretty well. And I'm guessing, you know, he had how long to craft this letter and really make sure the final edit was going to be solid. And if you don't understand human behavior and you don't understand the arc of his behavior, you don't understand his baseline, and you just are taking this at face value. It sounds like someone who's really reformed. And then you realize he's a raging narcissist.

C (11:19)

And yeah, I mean, there's a good number of statements in there that are focused on how he feels and the impact on him. But if you're victim focused, which is what you should be, you wouldn't say anything about the impact on you. He should only be talking about if this is genuine, sincere, and he's empathetic, the impact on others. You know, again, we can compare and contrast. You know, just think. And I know I keep bringing this up because I think it's a great example of injustice in our system. Richard Allen. Richard Allen, who is convicted of murdering those two sweet little girls. Everything he's ever said behind bars was the impact and being sorry for his wife. He never once said the suffering he went through, not once in anything he's ever said. And all you hear and hear for Diddy, because he had 13 months of being uncomfortable is the impact on me. And it's interesting, too, because he's bringing up. I mean, to me, this is a. It's a strategic. In what he put in there. So he's actually talking about people and what he did to him, and those aren't even the things he was convicted on, you know, so. So so why even bring it up? See what I mean? I mean, I get it. It's a strategic move to show he's sorry for the things that he should have been convicted about, like the, like the assaulting of women and all that malfeasance. But he wasn't. So he's gonna apologize for stuff he didn't get convicted of anyway.

A (12:42)

He's controlling the narrative. He's trying to, he's just gonna, he wants to put it all behind and now he wants to be an advocate going forward, you know, and he's gonna, he's gonna be the example. He's gonna be the shining, shining beacon on the hill. And everyone's, everyone's gonna come to Diddy. He's gonna have a big statue out there. You know, it just gonna happen to look like Jesus. But it's gonn.

C (13:06)

It's going to work. I mean, everyone. You either like him or don't like him. If you like him, this is perfect. If you don't like him, it's, it's, it is, you know, it is what it is. And that's why it's very challenging. Because when you have such a large cultist following around you, you know that, that cultish following could be rattled a little bit by this prosecution. But then he's acquitted of things and so, and now he's saying sorry. So I think he probably, in his cultish following didn't lose a single person, maybe one.

A (13:37)

Because I don't think he has a huge cultish following though. I mean.

C (13:41)

Yeah, I hope not.

A (13:44)

I think more people are more apt to go listen to R. Kelly than they are to Diddy. And I think Diddy was probably worse at the end of the day. Obviously not by what he was found guilty of, but just opinion wise. And if you're gonna believe the survivors and the stories and the sheer volume of the hundreds of them that have come out about Diddy. What I'm worrying about with all of this is the public's ability to forget. The public's ability to forget. Because it feels icky to think that in the 90s that you were listening to some of this music and there's a lot of positive memories associated with it that, ew, gosh, he did all these sort of things. I don't wanna think about that. I just wanna go back to when he was just Diddy, when he was showing up on trl, when it was those days, we didn't know what was going on behind the curtains, even though we knew a lot of dark stuff. Was going on back then too. And the public's ability to just be like, we're good. I don't wanna call it forgiving, but cognitive dissonance, but then still enabling the person's art to exist. And it doesn't mean you have to disconnect those pieces of your life and I guess remember them fondly. But we have a hard time separating the two. We do with R. Kelly, we do with Michael Jackson, we do with all those sort of things. And whether you want to again, I'm not going to go into the rabbit holes of who's guilty and who's not, but very strong allegations against all these people and very tangible evidence against all of them that really do not paint the picture of human beings that anyone in their right mind I think for the most part would consider to be safe around children or good or anyone. Or anyone.

C (15:39)

Yeah, they're just really unhealthy people that started out maybe healthy and again it's so, isn't it? Tragedy is when you, when you see someone have such talent and they just take it and they get wrapped up in their own self narcissistic ways and they throw it in the trash can. But, but to your point too, you know, I think it will because this is so bland because the, the charges that he was convicted of were so bland. It'll, it's, it's not nearly the impact that that's going to keep, keep people running away from him. I think it's just gonna get faded. So it really, it'll be really interesting to see what happens next. I, I would be, I'll be. Here's what I'm really interested in. Once he's sentenced today, will he continue to do those classes? Once he's sentenced today, if it's a light sentence and gets out, will he do great work for communities himself or will pass it off to someone else for image rebranding and rebuilding? I mean.

A (16:37)

I think he's gonna do it. I mean I think he's gonna be out there. I think he's gonna try and be a motivational person and I think you'll get some people who will believe it, but I don't think it's coming from the right spot. It's coming from. I need to feed my ego. I need to feed this thing inside of me rather than, I mean, I mean people can look at it all different ways. Well, maybe that is redemption. Maybe that is somebody that truly did find the light and they're changing it. But presentation to the outside world is not Necessarily the same of what's going on inside somebody and only that person can truly know it. But I think any of us, you know, who study human behavior for two seconds look and go.

C (17:19)

You'll see the leakage. You'll see the leakage. And to that point, I think here's what we're good at on this is no matter what happens with whether it's politics or religions or beliefs or covering these cases, we have been swayed back and forth by new data coming in. I mean, the way we covered Karen Reed, you know, we were back and forth on that because as new data comes in, new, new testimonies coming in, you know, we're swaying back and forth on this. And same thing on the Delphi case. I mean, when we first went in there, you know, I wasn't really thinking about him. We're thinking about, you know, how corrupt the police department was or how weird and strange. And then we're looking at the, the defense attorneys that are talking about, you know, Odinism and everything, like, what the hell? And then all of a sudden you meet him, Richard Allen, and you're like, oh my God, this wasn't about anything except them torturing this guy. You know. So again, when you can maintain that objectivity when you're taking the new data on things, it's much easier to see these arcs of what is I. To that point, I have to give these long narrative answers to. I think it's going to be really, really obvious really, really quickly if you can maintain objectivity on watching what he does afterwards. And if there's congruency between the words, actions and deeds, because that's all I ever. I'm ever looking for is, is to see if someone. It's. It's always think about this so everyone can do this. If someone makes you feel creepy, it's because one, you're not close enough to have your own confirmation bias on liking or disliking because that'll really screw up, you know, what you're observing potentially unless you can remove yourself. But if someone makes you feel creepy, it's because there's incongruency between words, actions and deeds. There's tempos that are off, they're pressing things on you. And so those are the things that are off putting to us. Because what, what's creepy, creepier things and people that don't make us feel safe because there's a hidden agenda, there's a temp of manipulation or subterfuge or something like that. And so that's why observing him since I never liked him or disliked him. And with all these people we cover, it's really easy to kind of sit back and look at these arcs and say, well, here's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And for him to go from zero to a hundred, you know, self serving to altruistically do these things, Likelihood, damn close to zero. Now will we make the attempt? Sure.

A (19:43)

And I think, excuse me, I gotta take a sip of water here.

B (19:48)

That's all right.

A (19:48)

As I'm about to talk, I'm coughing. I think one of the key things on anyone's prison when they're looking at Diddy or a character like this that has, you know, committed crimes as the ones that he has committed or the ones he's accused of committing, whether you want to believe it or not. And just believing the stories and the survivors and the sheer amount of people who have stories about Diddy is believing and understand and going one way or the other. I believe a lot of things live in the gray. Not with people like this. People like this, they are either redeemable or they are not. They are either rehabilitatable or not. I'm going to, I'm in the camp of someone like Diddy is not maybe on the surface, you know, maybe we, maybe he will not reoffend technically, but I don't think you're truly changing the person. I don't think a person like that can truly be changed. I just don't. If you have it in you at some point in your life that you think stomping on your girlfriend's head in an elevator bank is a good idea, I don't care how fucked up you are. I don't care what drugs you're on. I don't care whatever you're doing, if that's ever a point in your life that this is a action you are capable of doing and taking, you're irredeemable, you're capable of doing it, you can do it again, you will likely do it again, statistically. And I think there's just some people that are just trash and there really isn't any fixing them. And that's how I feel about Sean Combs. That's my opinion there.

C (21:25)

So I, I, I probably agree about 99 on that, but. And I always say there's like a 1% because, you know, I'm thinking that as you're doing this, you always see my eyes go up to the left as I'm thinking about these things.

A (21:37)

Sure.

C (21:38)

So, yes, if you're definitely, if you're dealing with child predators, pedophiles, co burger types that, you know, have a brain malformation, which we don't really know about Diddy on that end of it. But I, but here's what I say to your point, though. Is he redeemable in order to be redeemable? So think about this. Do our little thought experiments that I love to do. If someone has risen this high in order to hit bottom. So to have an aha moment in your life, then you have to go to bottom to be able to start that climb back up to humanity. You know, it's. It's that rock bottom we all hit. I don't think he ever hit a bottom. So if he's up here and prisons down here, he probably fell in right in here. He even said the word uncomfortable.

B (22:29)

Yeah, right.

C (22:30)

He was uncomfortable for 13 months. Is that really a bottom that you're going to have these aha moments?

A (22:36)

And if you know how narcissists and people like this work, this is just part of the path. This is part of the show. This is part of the play that they're going to do for survival. And look, they're trying to survive on their own. I don't necessarily know that he's sitting there plotting necessarily nefariously. I think he may think he's doing the right thing, but I think he has such a broken brain and so incapable of feeling empathy for other human beings. That's why it always feels weird and it feels off, because the capability for empathy, in my opinion, is not there. It doesn't exist. And when that doesn't exist in a human being, that makes him a very dangerous human being. And with the propensity and the power and the history that this man has, the odds of him falling back into something like this or just doing this stuff again behind closed doors, insanely high.

B (23:28)

Let me throw something in. Sorry, Robin. So he is now sober for the first time in what, 25 years. He's off the Xanax. He's off the alcohol.

C (23:39)

Maybe.

A (23:40)

Well, I mean, as of right now, until he gets out, I mean, I can't imagine he's going to be start popping bottles the second that ends well.

B (23:48)

But I, and I don't ever want to defend this man, but maybe the substances really were causing a lot of the issues. So what if we see a sober Diddy?

A (23:59)

No.

B (23:59)

What does that look like?

A (24:00)

That's like saying, oh, it's okay. You know, maybe a sober husband doesn't beat his wife now that he's not drinking anymore. He's not going to do that. No, but if you're capable of doing it, you're capable of doing it, fucked up or not.

B (24:13)

I get that. But I also. Now he's got a different baseline. So what? And again, I'm not defending the guy. I think he's absolute scum. But what if this is his path to redemption? Could it work?

A (24:28)

No.

B (24:30)

Tony says no. Robin, Todd, anyone?

C (24:34)

So if he hit. So to your point, Stacey, I've been around beautifully raging alcoholics and substance abusers in my life as well. And when. So if he. If indeed he's sober, because there's ways to get around that in prison as well, especially if you're connected like Diddy is. So I don't know the circumstances of the prison he's in and the connections he was able to maintain because I don't think he really, truly hit a bottom there because just because he's Diddy. Now, that being said, now, now, if sobriety took hold, then it's not a zero to 100. It's. It's a slow crawl and walk back. So as many years as it took him to fall into this, it would be at least as many, if not double, to come back out. I'm edging more on the. Tony, no.

A (25:25)

There is no redemption. No, no. I mean. I mean, will it. Will it. You know, is it a. Is it a road? A bump in the road? You know, a little speed bump? Sure. I mean, like Robin said, it's not 0 to 100, but, you know, it's still there. It's still. Again, it's one of those things, like there's certain people in this world, if you're diddling with kids. And I'm not saying Diddy diddled with kids. I'm saying people that do that, if that's in you, that's in you. That's not coming out.

C (25:57)

Yeah. So.

A (25:58)

And if you're. If you're able to beat your woman, beat a woman, beat your wife, beat your girlfriend, beat whatever, beat anybody mercilessly that you care about and do these sort of things. Things and have such unhealthy relationships like he was having, then that's in you. And you're not. I mean, you may change your ways and go, well, it's not for me anymore because it makes other people look at me like I'm a monster. It's because you're a fucking monster.

C (26:22)

So he went, so again, now we'll go on that side because, you know, I was really focusing in on the physical abuse. He was doing. But he's also an amazing amount of addiction accused sexual abuse going on. So basically between the physical abuse, sexual abuse, psychological abuse, he lived completely without any moral ethical boundaries. For how long? That's a long time and so decades. In order for him to start reintegrating a functional brain with ethics and morals again, he's not going to wake up and say, oh my God, everything I was doing in life was completely back ass or drawn. And you know why? You know, he doesn't think that. Because he's a teaching a class on how to be diddy.

A (27:08)

Exactly.

B (27:09)

Yeah.

A (27:10)

Like this is a good thing.

C (27:11)

Yes. You know, he's not teaching a class on sobriety. He's not teaching a class on how to get over sexually abusing people. He's not teaching a class on how not to be violent. He's teaching a class on how to be diddy.

A (27:23)

Yeah.

C (27:24)

Isn't that telling?

A (27:25)

Yes, it's 1,000% telling.

C (27:28)

So if he's teaching a class on how to be him, does he really think he's wrong?

A (27:33)

No.

B (27:33)

Do you think masterclass is gonna hire him to do seminars now?

A (27:37)

God, I hope not. Stranger things. Stranger things have happened. You know, that's the reality of this. Stranger things have happened and you just don't know. The fact that we're even sitting here that he's. So he didn't get charged on some of these or didn't get found guilty on some of these things is kind of nuts.

C (27:58)

You know, if he wanted to keep his name in his class, if he really wanted to do a good job of showing the redemption, the class should have been called how not to be diddy. Mm, no, good one. I mean just, I mean I love as the brain's working live on this, I'm thinking, yeah, so if all he is is a complete self centered narcissistic ass that really abused women, sexually abused people, psycholog tragically tormented and and manipulated people and he's teaching a class on how to be him. Is he really redeemed? Is he really hitting his bottom? I mean, no, he thinks the way he's rolling is absolutely fantastic and he's going to show everyone else how to do it too. And all the other narcissists around him in there saying oh yeah, bravo man, I want to do that now too because I sucked at the way I was doing. I want to do what he was doing it. Friggin losers.

A (28:49)

And that's that look. And that's what's scary to me about society because I think it's beyond an epidemic of narcissists that we have out there y that will look at this and go, well, I'm gonna learn from him. Seems like a good one to learn from. Because they relate to it. Because they relate in some dark way that they can't necessarily speak out loud. And I'm not saying it's because they're out there necessarily doing the sort of exact things he was doing, but the narcissistic way of thinking, they attract one another and it reaffirms the behavior. It reaffirms unhealthy ways of living. And that's what they feed off of it.

C (29:31)

And so funny because even with my own content, so here I am. I mean everyone knows me. I am the glass half full positivity, you know, how to forge trust, healthy, strong relationships and how to recognize people that aren't, you know, that kind of content is. I know it is. I, I sell it, I propagate it, I write books about it. It does. Okay, but here's if I really want to be super successful like people in my same genre, if I just title something or did something or put something out there, how to minute how to manipulate the living fuck out of someone, it was sell gangbusters. Because that's what people want. They don't say they want it, but that's exactly what they want. Never, never in a million years would I do something like that because and but that's what they want. And that's what so Diddy's selling under this nice guys how to be this good great CEO and entrepreneur. But what you're really selling is how to be like me. The self centered narcissist is gonna manipulate the fuck out of everyone. Look at me. First time you got me say that on the air.

B (30:27)

I almost feel like we need to give an award.

A (30:31)

Yes.

C (30:32)

Wow. I was very choosy. But I don't, I don't, you know, I'm not that guy that does that. But now I'm branded forever now.

A (30:38)

All right, hey, choosy moms choose Jeff. And I just want to say just.

E (30:44)

One real quick comment and then we can move on. I think as a society we are so drawn by celebrity. And you look around us and you look at all the people in power that have celebrity in the world, in our country, all that kind of stuff, that's what we're drawn to as a society, which I think is very sad. But that's why I think that he will come out of this okay in the long run. He's going to walk out of this thing. It's not going to be a dark cloud over his head. We've seen it with other artists. We talked about Chris Brown a little bit yesterday and what he did and where he's at now. We're so drawn to celebrity. You could almost get away with doing what he did. And maybe he kind of is, to be honest with you.

B (31:23)

Yeah, I think that's a really good point.

C (31:25)

Yeah. Because here's what he's actually selling. You know, I get on. I don't get on anyone. I take note when people use word modifiers before things like ethical leadership. You know, I hear the word ethical leadership, I just think to myself, oh, you actually are just double downing. Leadership is about others.

A (31:43)

Isn't that supposed to be.

C (31:45)

Yeah, exactly. And then they say. And so you know what, what he's actually doing, he's trying to sell because people. People can rationalize himself. Oh, it's actually okay. I'm. I'm learning from Diddy. Ethical manipulation. What? No, it's not. It's just crapping garbage. So if you want to learn how to be a loser, just take this class. I think that's a good idea. Want more on this case and others?

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