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Zach Wolchuk
All right, we'll. We'll wait for everybody to still kind of flow in, but we'll get the ball rolling here. And we do want to get to your questions as quickly as possible because I know a lot of you have some and this is about you here on draft 101. Welcome in to draft 101, 2025. Thank you for everybody that has shown up. And a big thank you to Whataburger as well. Yes, big thank you to Whataburger and of course, Gavin Spittle, Derek Eagleton, for always making this possible. I am Zach Wolchuk of 1053 the Fan, the Gbag Nation, also a member of the Draft show. We've got Nick Harris, Fort Worth Star Telegram, Kyle Yeomans, Tommy Orish, the one and only Vach Lombardi. Oh, there's Bobby Belt back there. Hey, Bobby.
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Brian Broaddus
Hi, Bobby.
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Zach Wolchuk
And our draft godfather, the great super bowl winning scout, Brian Broaddus. So when it comes to getting questions in, I think what the plan was is you'll come over here, you'll speak into the mic, you can just ask a question. So when we get to that point, if you have one, just raise your hand and then we can try and line up maybe two or three at a time and then just fill in the gaps as we go. But I did want to start off, we'll just kick this around the table. But having done the draft homework and I know all of us have spent months grinding on this thing, and I. And I'll start with you here, Brian, because you've been doing this a long time, but what has stood out to you about this year's draft? Maybe a strength, maybe a weakness, Anything specific that maybe is different from any other class.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah. And I kind of feel like when you look at this draft, I'm surprised at the number of running backs that we have. And traditionally it's the quality of the running backs you kind of worry about a little bit over the years. And this one can go pretty deep. I think the defensive tackle area is very, very good. The corners are outstanding as well. Not as many offensive tackles. That's kind of been a little bit of some. A Little bit of a sticking point for me. You've got guys who are potentially tackles that could play guard, and so it's been unique to try and navigate that. But I've been really excited about the running backs, the edges, the defensive tackles. I think there's a really good group of quarterbacks as well. You just have to be able to kind of find the pockets of players, particularly the type of guys that you want. Maybe you want a little bit of a taller guy, a little bit shorter guy. Maybe you want a nickel corner. Maybe you want a wide receiver that really only plays the slot. This draft, when I was stacking my board and just looking at it overall, just seemed to have really good pockets of players, and I was excited about that as we try and navigate this thing.
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Zach Wolchuk
Von, you're a big offensive line guy, as both of us are. I wondered, in your opinion, when it comes to the offensive tackles in this year's class. Last year, we had a ton going to the first round. This year, where do you think the strength and weaknesses are?
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Bobby Belt
Well, this isn't a year where I'm, you know, rooting for us to get a tackle, but I would love to get Josh Simmons. You know, he's a guy that I would like. You know, Mimbu is a guy that I would like, but, you know, I don't think it's a situation where, oh, we're in round four, Right. Where are the tackles at? You know, like. Like, once we get past the first round, second round, okay, we can move on from there. Then we can look for linebackers, maybe then we can look for cornerbacks. But as far as tackles, I mean, Chase Lund is a guy that I love from UConn. You can look at him later if the Cowboys want to, you know, look at that route. You know, contracts coming up. Terrence Steele, maybe you want to look at that. But for the most part, if it's not one of those first two guys, membo was a visit. That's possible. I think the league is wrong about Josh Simmons. That sounds arrogant to me because I'm just a YouTuber. Hey, guys that do this for millions of dollars. I love Josh Simmons and y'. All. To take him in the 20s, I would take him at 12, but I think Josh Simmons is the dude that you should take at. But the Cowboys are shockers. The Cowboys, you know, roll up one day, and guys we haven't even talked about, it'll be Josh Simmons.
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Audience Member
So could be Tommy. This.
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Zach Wolchuk
This is your first year with the crew, and it's been awesome to have you with us. What has stood out to you as you've worked with your first year here on the draft show.
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Tommy Orish
Thanks, man. It's good to be here. I think what stands out about this class and first for the first time diving into it is for the positions of need that Dallas has coming into this draft. They've been very fortunate that that's where it's very rich. You think a defensive tackle, running back, high end, wide receivers. I think they're all there for you in this draft. So now it's just a matter of, okay, how do they want to pair these picks together? And I know that's something we've talked all talked about on the show recently is okay, what do you do with these first three rounds? Is it corner wide receiver, defensive tackle? Is it corner wide receiver, running back, how they go about structuring this? But I think the positions that they're going to need, they're in a good spot wherever they decide to take those positions. And I think that that is something that can't go overseen because that's not going to be the case all the time.
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Zach Wolchuk
Kyle, what's a spot in this year's class that's maybe not quite as strong as what we talked about last year?
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah, I think Brian talked about it whenever it comes to offensive tackles, just because you've got a lot of guys that may have played tackle in college and has bumped inside and would bump inside at the next level. So I won't go too far in on the offensive lineman side of things, but I think quarterback's an interesting one because we've heard really all the time. I mean, this is the sixth year I've been doing this draft show and usually it's the quarterbacks that rise to the top late and we still haven't seen that. We've even seen guys like Shadur Sanders be questioned on whether or not he would be a top 10 pick at the end of the day. So I think the quarterback position is a wild card in this whole thing because it's not the four or five guys at the top of the draft that are locks to go in the top 15 picks. Instead you may get one or two guys that could be there and then Instead you're at 12 and there are multiple quarterbacks that are still on the board. Not that Dallas would take one. But then the conversation begins. Would a team be interested in trading up and taking a quarterback at that level? So I think it's an interesting draft there. John Snyder, one of Brian Broaddus, Former interns up there in Seattle talked about it this week, though you have to have pause whenever it comes to the quarterback position. You can't necessarily write them off early in the first round because Jackson Dart and Tyler Shub could still work their way up there.
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Zach Wolchuk
If we're not careful, the chaos could ensue with the quarterbacks for sure. It could just be Cam Ward in the top 10. Or maybe Shador Sanders ends up going. Maybe the Saints throw a wild card out there and they do go Jackson Dart, which can then push other players down the board to the Cowboys. Nick, is there a player that maybe we haven't discussed as much at 12 that you think could maybe surprise us, like in a CD lamp class and fall there at 12?
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Nick Harris
Yeah. It's funny you say that because I. As I was going through edges today, I was looking at Jalen Walker and I'm seeing a potential of if those quarterbacks start going, if a couple of those receivers go, if you see Matthew golden get in that top 11, is Jalen Walker a type of talent you can't pass up on at 12, does it become one of those situations? And that's where it gets fascinating to me.
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Audience Member
Right.
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Nick Harris
Because obviously they added depth at that position during free agency, adding Peyton Turner, adding Dante Fowler Jr. I think they're all right with Michael Parsons. That deal is going to get done eventually. But if you're adding that quality of depth at that edge spot with a player that can also play back in the box if you need him to, considering demarvi Novishon's injury, that would be a nice luxury to have going into the season. I think that was one I looked at that could possibly slip in a guy we really haven't talked about a whole lot at all. That's a. That's a possibility.
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Bobby Belt
So is he a linebacker?
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Brian Broaddus
Linebacker, edge.
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Kyle Yeomans
How did I know you guys were jumping?
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Bobby Belt
I'm just curious. Like. Like what? Do you draft a man?
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Nick Harris
Yeah, I draft him to play demarvi and Overshone's role until demarvi and Overshone is healthy and then I have three rovers on the field at all times.
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Kyle Yeomans
That's kind of a cop out answer.
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Bobby Belt
We're going to lose games like that?
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Zach Wolchuk
No, not really.
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Audience Member
No.
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Tommy Orish
No.
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Kyle Yeomans
I mean, that's choosing both. You just chose both guys. An edge or a linebacker?
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Audience Member
Yeah.
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Nick Harris
Versatility. And this is the versatility conversation we're about to have again.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah. Nick Ryan. Nick and I will go at each other about the versatility conversations, but you feel like both spots, though, because I was Talking to some NFL scouts about this and they were worried about his size and if you play him as a true edge, is he going to get wore down and then. But there's some other guys in this draft, you know, we with Mike Green, you know, from Marshall, I mean, a little bit lighter guys and stuff like that.
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Zach Wolchuk
James Pierce Jr. Out of Tennessee.
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Brian Broaddus
NFL scouts were kind of saying, listen, I would play him as off ball and then use him as a situational pass rusher to maybe to initially to kind of keep him fresh going in.
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Nick Harris
And then that's what I'm saying. It's being able to be utilized in both of those roles, especially in a linebacker room that's still so young, still so battered up. Yeah, I think it's an opportunity for you.
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Brian Broaddus
Would you be surprised if he Was there at 12?
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Nick Harris
Yeah, but I don't think I'd be as surprised as some of the other guys. I think, yeah, I think there would be some other names that would surprise me a little bit more. You know, I'm starting to feel like I'd be surprised If Ted Roa McMillan's there at 12. But there's. There's some other players I feel like that are blocks in that top 10 that make a lot of sense surprise you there.
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Zach Wolchuk
Memboo member the offense tackle from Mizzou.
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Nick Harris
Membu is another interesting one. Just because of the offensive line needy teams that are there in that top 11 is okay, which one of those teams value member or Will Campbell or Kelvin Banks a little bit more, you know, and that's. That's not something we'll find out until draft day. But there's going to be a wrench thrown in that top 11. We saw it last year with Michael Penix getting taken at 8. There's going to be something that moves a couple of those players down. We're going to have a fascinating conversation at 12. I really think we are.
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Zach Wolchuk
Bobby, not to forget about you sitting in the back there. Love you.
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Audience Member
I saw him looking lonely.
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Zach Wolchuk
He does look lonely. It's like, guys, I'm here, but as Vod says, you are our. What does the league know? What's the information? Right. What are you thinking in terms of some craziness that can maybe go in the first 11 picks before the Cowboys pick at 12?
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Bobby Belt
You know, it's. It's interesting because I think that everybody started to assume New Orleans is going to go quarterback after the Derek Carr stuff. The more you're starting to hear coming out of New Orleans is that that's not a slam dunk at all. Like, I still think that New Orleans is unlikely to go quarterback just from talking to some people. But, you know, the one that you, you consistently heard, whether that's in the top 10 or a little bit later in the draft, and it started in Indy, was the idea that a team might like Jackson Dart more than Shador Sanders or a team might like Tyler Schuck more than Shador Sanders, and that you could end up seeing one of those teams doing a Michael Penix type of thing and going, all right, we're just going to go get our guy right now. But, you know, I think it'll be just the. Everybody right now feels like they're kind of standing pat. It's a little bit of what Brian's talked about. The idea of 10 through 40 might be really close. And because of that, you're not going to have teams that say, I want to spend a lot of capital to go up. You'd like to find an extra fourth round pick somewhere. You'd like to find an extra pick somewhere if you're Dallas, but who's going to come up and trade with you? When you look at other teams that are behind you, it's a lot of teams with a third that they already have that's missing or, you know, a fourth or those teams are already kind of light on capital and is it worth expending any of that to go up? You'd have to probably find, does Seattle want to find their next quarterback after, you know, Darnold, or does Pittsburgh want to come up and are they willing to pay that price? But I think that that's kind of the big thing that stands out is just the unknown with the quarterback factor. That's the one wrench that I think could, could mess things up here. When you mentioned Jalen Walker, I do think there's a shot Walker would fall to Dallas because I think Walker is just there. There are times where I think teams will sit there and go, I don't know what to do with him. I don't know what to do with that player. We've seen it before in the past.
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Audience Member
With what happened to Micah.
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Nick Harris
In a sense.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah, honestly, it happened with. You look at these hybrid type players. It happened with Jabril Peppers in the past. It happened with Shaq Thompson in the past. So I mean, I think it could absolutely happen with Jalen Walker, but again, it just takes one team to go. I think he's Micah or I think he's Hasan Reddick. If I play him at edge, full Time. And it honestly just takes one.
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Zach Wolchuk
Well, and Carolina is a team that has been at least rumored to be really interested in Jalen Walker. And they came out and said they do view him as an outside linebacker. To your point there, Brian. So it will be fascinating how this ends up going in the top 10. Maybe the Rams are another team that could do something crazy. You've talked about them maybe looking at a quarterback of the future. I've also heard maybe a tight end. Could they want to go up and go get a Tyler Warren, a Colston Loveland, one of these players for LA and the Rams as well.
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Bobby Belt
See, but Zach, there's no way that Milroe lands in that top 12 range though, right? I mean, we're not talking about it, but we just saw the tweets and hey, Milroe is going to be in Green Bay and he's not going to be in Green Bay to sit around to the third and second round. So where does Jalen Milro go? Quarterback from Alabama. What does Milroe go?
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Zach Wolchuk
I think Milro might. You might get four quarterbacks go in the first, and if it is, I think Milroe is the fourth. I think it would end up being Sanders and then Dart and of course Cambord going number one overall to Tennessee and then Jalen Milroe. I mean, is that one where you see New Orleans, maybe they end up taking the quarterback, the jets, or are they a wild card in this scenario as well? And then you get Pittsburgh, maybe ends up saying, hey, Jalen Milro is our guy, Kyle.
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Kyle Yeomans
Well, and even like Seattle too, a team at 18 that doesn't necessarily need a guy right now, but could. Could end up developing one for the future. The Rams. Same kind of thing. At 26, Matthew Stafford's not a spring chicken anymore out there in la. They could have a guy to kind of groom behind him. So I wouldn't be shocked if Millware works into the first round. But if we're talking about him in the top 11 picks.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah, that's why team suck at drafting. Why not? They're not good at this.
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Kyle Yeomans
Tommy would take him in the top 12.
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Tommy Orish
I don't know if I take him in the top 12. But I, I think, I think with you, when you look at Milro, I think he's got Pittsburgh Steeler written all over. Just in terms of what Mike. Mike Tomlin would be looking for and what he can bring to that offense. And with the receivers that they've got, you've got a deep threat in George Pickens. I mean, that then you got. They got DK Metcalf, too, in the offseason.
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Zach Wolchuk
Sure.
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Tommy Orish
He completely changes the game with his legs in an offense like that, with pieces around him like that already, you got a lot of promising stuff.
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Kyle Yeomans
Do you think he's ready to start right now?
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Tommy Orish
No, not fully. Yeah, not fully.
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Kyle Yeomans
He needs a little seasoning.
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Bobby Belt
Georgia, Milro is Georgia.
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Audience Member
That half?
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Zach Wolchuk
Just that half specifically. Bobby, did you have something you wanted?
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Bobby Belt
Yeah. First off, I'm not convinced Jaylen Milro is ready to start at Alabama, much less the NFL. But I think that when you look at. We all assume there's always the quarterback tax and somebody will come up, they'll take a quarterback. I think there is a possibility. This is 22, where Kenny Pickett was the only quarterback who went the first round. I'm not saying it's likely. Somebody will probably take Shador somewhere in the teens or something, but we all kind of go, man, you know, people always reach on quarterbacks. 22 is an example where the league said no, and league went ahead and said, nope, we'll go ahead and we'll let Malik Willis fall to the third round. We'll let Matt Corral fall to day three. And so if teams are really like, I'm not in love with any of these quarterbacks, they may just wait it out like they did a few years ago.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah, I'd keep an eye on teams in the second on top of the second round because I'm talking to some people that are already kind of posturing themselves, the Giants, New England, that maybe could try and trade back into the bottom of the round. So you got people you're going to throw chum in the water if you're, you know, you're. If you're the Giants or New England and say you're calling those teams to back in. I'd start with Sean Payton in Denver at 20 and kind of work my way back and just say, hey, listen, I might be interested coming up there if my guy's there, you know, and you kind of know if you're coming back into the round, you're probably going to get looking for a quarterback. So we might have a couple of teams that come from the top of the second round back in to the bottom of the round. And those teams at the bottom might say, okay, well, we could pick up a pick just going down a few spots.
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Nick Harris
Yeah, I'm with you there, Brian. Because that fifth year option is so valuable, especially at the quarterback position.
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Brian Broaddus
I know it's important to John Snyder Snyder was. And John and I have talked about this a bunch of getting that fifth year. John can help him. So he's going to take a running back there probably. That's what John does. But. But the. But, yeah, it's something that you kind of. You have to plan out in. The fifth year option is always something that kind of draws you into that.
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Nick Harris
Granted, Tyler Shug would be like 47 after his fifth year options, so I don't know if you're trading back in to get that guy.
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Zach Wolchuk
It's weird, man.
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Brian Broaddus
Yes.
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Zach Wolchuk
Babe Laufenberg though, he's a big fan of Tyler Schuck. Maybe we're off on him. Okay, I do want to open this up to your questions because a lot of you, I know that's why you're here, you wanted to get a question in. So if we have anybody in the front row specifically, you've got one. Okay, let's go ahead and just line up at you as well, you two, and then just kind of fill in the gaps. When one person leaves, another person will go row by row. If you have a question, you can just fill in, give us your name and then just go ahead and ask away.
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Audience Member
Okay, Scott Alexander, I've got a quick broadest story for you right quick. Okay.
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Zach Wolchuk
Okay.
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Nick Harris
This could go anywhere.
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Audience Member
Well, this is a good one. It's going to answer a lot of questions. 2015, I was living in South Carolina, 50th birthday, my wife and two daughters came out to come to the stadium for first new game there. My nine year old daughter, we came, did the cowboy travel thing which had the question and answer session at the Star Splits Tour. That's right, that's right. Brian's asking questions. So my 9 year old who basically sat in my lap watching games growing up, you know, is more rabid than I am, was like, daddy, I want to ask a question. So I gave her a question to ask. And so there's guys like all of us, right? And then there's this nine year old and so Broadus is asking questions, questions. And she looks up and he's like, hello darling, what's your question? And she goes on this two minute detailed that I've told her step by step by step. And when it's over, Brian looks at her and goes, sweetheart, there are people in the building that don't ask questions that good. So anyway, so we go back home. My father said, well, how was your trip? And she said it was great. And he said, well, how was.
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Bobby Belt
Fine.
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Audience Member
She said, I got to ask Broadus A question. Papa said, well. And he goes, who's brought us to which she replies, oh, he's the boss of the Cowboys.
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Bobby Belt
Daddy let him know.
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Kyle Yeomans
That's right.
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Audience Member
I was like, wait, what?
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Nick Harris
I said, I'll explain.
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Audience Member
I'll explain later.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah, so. But I remember exactly. I do. And it was a great question, though. It really, really was.
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Audience Member
Well, I mean, it was good because she loved it. But I'm at the table going, you heard what he said, right? People in the. People in the building don't ask questions like that. But my question is basically this. Y' all talk a lot about, okay? You know, The Cowboys have 13 first round grades. The packers have 12, the Falcons have nine or whatever like that. And a first round grade is somebody that has no holes is the, I guess, the rough definition of it. Right. But my question is, do different teams have different lists of holes? You know, are there. Are there some teams that have, like 10 different things you've got to hit to be a first rounder or five different or six things and all like that you've talked about a lot and I've probably missed it, but. And I'll. I'll let you answer. I really enjoy the show, guys. I've watched it for years. We live in. I live in Waco now, so I wasn't going to miss the opportunity.
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Kyle Yeomans
Waco, Texas, baby.
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Audience Member
All right.
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Zach Wolchuk
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Brian, did you want to take that one?
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah. There's. There's different things. There's places I've been, and that's Green Bay, Philly, Jacksonville, Dallas. Each group has position specifics that they look for in quarterbacks or offensive linemen. And the Dallas Cowboys, no different than. And they. So if, when you're out scouting, you have these things, you're looking for these traits, and then you start to put together as you meet and you're doing your reports and all that, you're talking about the players, you're going through these traits, and then that. It's really just kind of adding them all up. It's like, which one of these traits can we absolutely live with? And which. These traits that if they don't have them, we can't live with that player. So each, each front office and sky department has specifically stuff that their coaches have asked. You know, hey, bring me this type of guy. Bring me. I need this trait. I need this. And so Will has done a really good job over the years of having to kind of adjust whether it was, you know, with Jason Garrett's crew and then, you know, with Mike McCarthy's crew and now with Schottenheimer's crew of having to adjust along the way and kind of tweak that. But every team has that when you go in that you say, hey, we have to have this from our players.
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Bobby Belt
And.
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Brian Broaddus
And then if they don't, well, you can't put them in the first round. You know, you have to find if they lack a bunch of traits, then, of course, the further down the board they're going to be. But, yeah, every team is really different, and it's really kind of built to the coaching staff and the kind of schemes that they play.
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Zach Wolchuk
What was your question, sir?
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Audience Member
Okay.
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Brian Broaddus
Hey, guys, my name is Larry Billingsley.
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Audience Member
And I appreciate you being here tonight.
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Nick Harris
First of all, appreciate you being here. Thank you.
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Audience Member
I've, you know, I've looked at mock drafts, and I've listened to some of.
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Brian Broaddus
You guys, and I've heard you say.
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Audience Member
Things like, well, you know, we got.
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Brian Broaddus
To remember this is the way we rank these guys, and this is what we would do if we were making the selection.
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Audience Member
But then you stop and think, well.
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Brian Broaddus
But what is Jerry and the Cowboys gonna do? That's.
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Fan/Attendee
That's.
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Audience Member
That's really the question. What.
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Nick Harris
What.
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Audience Member
What are they going to do? And so I've been thinking about this.
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Brian Broaddus
And you mentioned earlier you were talking about Shedeur Sanders.
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Audience Member
If he was to drop the 12 and Jerry is on the clock.
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Brian Broaddus
We all remember Johnny Manziel.
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Audience Member
If Jerry's on the clock and apparently he has a.
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Brian Broaddus
From what we can gather, a good relationship with Deion.
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Audience Member
Is he. Is Jerry gonna feel any obligation to select Shedeur? I'm not saying you might pick him.
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Brian Broaddus
But what is Jerry gonna do?
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Bobby Belt
Jerry's gonna get pulled out of that room really fast. They're gonna take his phone and unplug it, and either Sanders is gonna be on the clock at 13, or the Cowboys gonna get a bunch of picks from some team trading up to go get Sanders. But I don't know, fellas.
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Kyle Yeomans
I think it's an interesting question because there is history there, but I also think you can learn from history. The pick instead of Johnny Manziel turned into Zach Martin. That worked out pretty well. And I think it goes back to, you have a quarterback now that you're. I mean, I know there's probably split opinions in the room, but there's a quarterback now that you're confident in, within the building and shadow Sanders doesn't change anything for you.
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Brian Broaddus
So if.
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Kyle Yeomans
If she does on the board, I think it may be a fun topic of conversation, but it would, I don't think it would get anything further.
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Tommy Orish
Not only did you pay that quarterback that's in the building, you also just traded and got another, another quarterback in Joe Milton. They said they wanted a young quarterback. They went and got one.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Nick Harris
And also ease the concerns if there is a concern about Jerry potentially taking a Shador at 12 is Dak has four years left. A rookie deal would be four plus the rookie option. You would basically be wasting that rookie contract on a quarterback, in essence. So.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
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Bobby Belt
It's also important that I don't think they're going to have a grade on Shador that's anywhere close to the one they had on Manziel. They did have a first on Manzel. I'm not convinced they're going to have a first round great on Shador Sanders. And again, it's not just the Milton factor like Nick just mentioned. You also got to remember they just hired their new head coach in large part because of the recommendation from the quarterback. Right. And so, I mean, they've kind of got their lotto ticket already. I don't think they're going to have him graded as high as Manziel and he's in lockstep with your brand new head coach. So, I mean, they're kind of tied together and I think that's what they're doing moving forward.
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Brian Broaddus
The room is gonna be really, really quiet when that happens. The room is gonna be quiet and seriously. And nobody's gonna say a word. And Jerry's gonna say, you know, Sanders is up there on that board and nobody's gonna wanna say a damn word. You're gonna be looking down at your notes, you're gonna be cleaning your glasses, you're gonna fake a bathroom break. Maybe he's gonna remind you of that. But the one thing they're going to trust is their stack. And it's how they have the players rated. And that's when, when they lost Ryan Chazier. That's what Stephen and Will and Jason Garrett reminded him. We have Zach Martin as the next player. Johnny's down below. And Jerry is going to remind him. He's absolutely going to remind him. And like I say, it's going to be really quiet. And then they're going to explain that player, you know, whether it's golden, McMillan, whoever, that's our guy. And then Jerry's going to say, okay. And they'll hand that card in.
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Kyle Yeomans
You know what I do when I.
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Audience Member
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Tommy Orish
Yeah.
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Audience Member
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Brian Broaddus
I know you.
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Audience Member
I'm a huge sour cream guy. I love sour cream on top. So I think burritos can't live without sour cream.
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Brian Broaddus
I completely agree with that.
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Audience Member
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Brian Broaddus
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Audience Member
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- [26:45]
Zach Wolchuk
What do you. How are you, sir?
- [26:46]
Brian Broaddus
What do you have for us going on, y'?
- [26:48]
Bobby Belt
All?
- [26:48]
Audience Member
Very nice to be here. Appreciate y' all having brought us. Appreciate you putting this on. You're. You're a legend.
- [26:53]
Brian Broaddus
Legend get fired, you get to do this.
- [26:59]
Bobby Belt
I just.
- [26:59]
Audience Member
I just can't. Came after work, man.
- [27:00]
Brian Broaddus
Thank you, man.
- [27:01]
Audience Member
Appreciate it, sir.
- [27:02]
Kyle Yeomans
Thank you.
- [27:02]
Audience Member
I do AC work. Somebody gets hot or whatever. All right, gotcha. My name is Paul, by the way.
- [27:07]
Bobby Belt
And I wanted to say, first of.
- [27:11]
Audience Member
All, does anybody want an ipa?
- [27:14]
Nick Harris
No one?
- [27:14]
Brian Broaddus
No, we're good. Thank you.
- [27:16]
Audience Member
I appreciate y' all letting it be byob and also the tension is clear. Uh, the diss tracks have. Have gotten between you guys. There's no other reason Bobby would not be in the center. But I also want to ask, do you think there's going to be a lot of trade downs in this draft? Because there's a lot of. There's a lot of depth but not.
- [27:37]
Bobby Belt
A lot of crazy talent.
- [27:40]
Audience Member
Do you guys think there's going to be more trade downs this. This year? We're going to be like, oh, my God, yeah.
- [27:44]
Nick Harris
Kind of like to what Bobby said. I think it was bobby that said 10 to 40 are pretty close together. And there's a lot of teams that think that same way. And if you feel like you can stick where you're at at, say, I don't know, 18 or 20 with Seattle and Denver, you know, what is the. What is the investment you get out of trading up to 12? And that's going to have to be who's available on the board. Is it one of these quarterbacks that one of these teams just gets really excited about? Is it, you know, one of these offensive linemen that is slipping that somebody gets excited about? I think that would probably be the only opportunity you have. A tango partner. Last year it made a lot more sense to have a tango partner because there were so many talented players, especially those offensive linemen right there in those twenties. You made it easy to get a deal with Detroit this time around. I don't think you're going to have as many phone calls waiting for you. I think. I think you're going to have to stick at 12. That's just my guess. But I can almost guarantee you they will be keeping an eye on those phones to see what kind of deal they get because they need an extra pick. They need an extra day to pick. That's. That's the fact of the matter for giving up the fourth for Jonathan Mingo. And so, you know, to pick up that extra pick would be awesome, but I don't. I don't see it happening. That's just me.
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Kyle Yeomans
Well, and outside of pick 40, from that point down, it's muddled there, too. There's a lot of kind of interesting thought process. A guy that could be in the fourth round for one team might be in the sixth or the seventh round for another team. So I think trading back may not be the case at that point, but I think whenever it gets to round five where the Cowboys have two picks in round five, two in round six, and then three more in round seven, it may be a point of not trading up early and just getting that fourth round pick back, but pulling the trigger. When they see a guy that they like, they see a prospect that's up there that's available on the board at X number of overall selection and then you package those picks together to try and go up and get it, it's going to be a targeted approach. And the Cowboys aren't the only team that's going to think that way.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah, I kind of feel like, though, you're in a situation where I just want value for my pick. You know, if you're going to get me to make me move for my spot. Okay. And you saw, and as we work this out as we all have our trade charts and we talk about it, and I should get player 89 in this trade, but you're offering me player 149. I'm not interested in that. You know, I want value for my pick, you know, and I'll stand in there and make a pick, you know, damn it. I mean, I'll do it, you know, but you give me value for my pick, I'm not just going to bail just to bail, just to get a pick. There's a difference. There's why you stack your board. Player 89 is better than player 149 in my opinion. So give me value for my pick. And maybe that's why no one ever called me when we were doing this, because that was always my attitude about it. But I always want value. I just don't want to go back, just to go back. I don't. I don't think there's any. I mean, like I say, there's, you know, there's just to me, give me the value. And I think there's a lot of teams that might not get value for the pick. I might be one of those guys that go up.
- [30:36]
Bobby Belt
We had earlier today on the Fan, we had Thomas Dimitrov on Brian's old buddy, former GM of the Falcons. And he had talked about how he was one of the few in the league who looked for the trade up consistently. That's what he wanted. He wanted to go up. He was always looking for that. And we had asked him, we said, all right, who's. Who's like that in the league left right now that you would say that's a target that, you know, you can call them. They're usually looking to go up. And the one guy he singled out was Howie Roseman. And they're picking 32nd. And I don't know that there's a 12 to 32. That makes a lot of sense. When Schneider comes out and talks about, hey, these quarterbacks, people may like him more than they, then everybody's talking about, all right, well, they've got multiple day two picks. They got multiple thirds, multiple seconds. You might entertain that. Ask him, call, see if you've got a dancing partner there. There's a chance right now, as it stands now, it's the first time since 2014 where every team holds their first round pick and so everybody's kind of held onto them right now there might be a case if nobody's really wanting to move up where you could see first rounders moved more likely for Players on draft day for established veterans like a Jalen Ramsey or somebody like that than there would be to actually go up and get somebody.
- [31:41]
Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
- [31:41]
Zach Wolchuk
Because it's fun to say, oh, I'd like to trade back, but you got to have a player that team wants to move up for.
- [31:45]
Brian Broaddus
I sat there for 13 years always wishing the phone would ring. It never did. Never did. I ran a draft in Philly in 98, and it's the fastest they've ever handed in a first round pick. I wait. I told the guys in the room, I said, we're waiting seven minutes. That phone doesn't ring, we're handing that card in. Trey Thomas, they go, okay.
- [32:04]
Zach Wolchuk
Ended up being a good one.
- [32:04]
Brian Broaddus
At the seven minute mark, I said, hand the damn card in. Because I. You do. And the thing the Cowboys won't do, the Cowboys won't call because they won't call because they're afraid they're gonna lose the trade. That's. They say that the minute Steven Jones. Minute you call, you lose leverage. So think about that. But, yeah, you. I've sat in a room for 13 years. Phone doesn't always ring. It's real easy to say, trade back.
- [32:29]
Zach Wolchuk
Right.
- [32:30]
Brian Broaddus
It's really hard to do.
- [32:31]
Bobby Belt
How many Pro Bowlers did you draft in 1998, by the way?
- [32:34]
Brian Broaddus
Four.
- [32:34]
Bobby Belt
Four. Very good draft. Pretty good draft dog.
- [32:39]
Brian Broaddus
It was. It was that.
- [32:40]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah.
- [32:40]
Audience Member
No kidding.
- [32:42]
Zach Wolchuk
All right, we got our guy. This is an old school looking cowboy shirt.
- [32:47]
Bobby Belt
All right.
- [32:47]
Audience Member
Thank you. My name Ricky Wright.
- [32:50]
Zach Wolchuk
What up, Ricky?
- [32:51]
Audience Member
I'm thrilled to see y' all guys I like.
- [32:52]
Brian Broaddus
I go walking and listen to.
- [32:54]
Audience Member
To the draft show and lunch break and have something to do every day.
- [32:58]
Nick Harris
Appreciate it, man.
- [32:59]
Brian Broaddus
But I got a prospect I haven't heard y' all talk about a lot.
- [33:02]
Zach Wolchuk
Okay.
- [33:03]
Audience Member
Ricky, He's Tori Hope of Colorado State. He was killing Dion on the overtime game.
- [33:09]
Brian Broaddus
I thought he'll be a nice fit.
- [33:11]
Audience Member
For Dallas, but I know he was.
- [33:13]
Brian Broaddus
Hurt this year and.
- [33:15]
Audience Member
But he's a really talented athlete, and.
- [33:18]
Brian Broaddus
He played for Colorado City.
- [33:20]
Zach Wolchuk
Do y' all know anything where he.
- [33:21]
Audience Member
Might be drafted at?
- [33:22]
Brian Broaddus
Torrey?
- [33:23]
Kyle Yeomans
Horton.
- [33:23]
Audience Member
Horton.
- [33:24]
Tommy Orish
Yeah, I've got him late fourth.
- [33:27]
Bobby Belt
I got him in the fifth round. Yak guy, big catch guy, D ball guy. They didn't really make him run a whole bunch of routes. You know, he just was slant guy, bubble guy, make you miss guy. But if you like yak guys like I do, then you'll move them up a little bit. But if you like guys that, you know, have a lot of nuance to their game, you'll go, well, he doesn't run a bunch of routes. He's not very nuanced. I wouldn't take him that high. But I like him. Tory Holden's cool.
- [33:51]
Nick Harris
Yeah, I have him the top receiver in the fourth round for me. Elite 2023 season. I mean you look at that 23 tape, there's some really fun stuff there. And he had the option to come out last year and if he did he probably could have ended up being a second third round pick. Unfortunately he came back in 2024 and it suffered really bad due to injury. He's battled this knee injury throughout his college career. That kind of plays into a strength concern that you have at the next level, maybe a play strength type of concern. But when you look at that 23 tape and when he is healthy, what he can do. He's an athletic quick route runner. Blends his stem and breaks seamlessly. He had 96 receptions and 23 from everywhere on the field at all three levels with sub QB play, subpar QB play in my opinion. I think he's a talented receiver. It's just a matter of can he stay healthy. That's going to be the biggest thing with Torre Horton but I wouldn't be surprised if we look up in a couple years let's say this guy stays healthy and he ends up being a pretty solid pick for one of these teams.
- [34:43]
Brian Broaddus
Yeah, this guy is really good with the contested catches too because of the size and stuff. So yeah, he's, he's. I think everybody's got him in that fourth, fifth round area. I think that's kind of where we're looking at right now.
- [34:52]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, he was super productive. I mean he averaged 94.7 yards a catch and 2310 total touchdowns. I agree with all of you. He's not a big yak guy but they, he is somebody when it comes to possession. Receivers. I mean he makes some tough catches along the sideline as well in the red zone area and he can be a punter. Turner for you. So how is he coming back from the injury? The medical will be important there, but that is a good fourth round receiver. I'm with you. I like the name.
- [35:15]
Tommy Orish
He ran a 4:4:1 at the combine after he had a season ending knee injury.
- [35:19]
Zach Wolchuk
That's insane.
- [35:20]
Tommy Orish
That's pretty, that's. Yeah, that's pretty impressive. So if that still continues to track medically then should be good to go hit it on the money. The 2023 tape on him is awesome and so it'd be like I said I got him in the late fourth.
- [35:33]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I'm with you. How are you doing, sir?
- [35:36]
Audience Member
I'm doing great. My name is Logan. I'm Plano, Senior graduate.
- [35:41]
Zach Wolchuk
There we go.
- [35:41]
Audience Member
Wildcats.
- [35:42]
Zach Wolchuk
Go play now.
- [35:44]
Audience Member
So I just want to say I started listening to the fan when I was in sixth grade, and now I'm about to graduate high school or, sorry, college, not high school.
- [35:52]
Bobby Belt
So that was.
- [35:52]
Audience Member
That was 10. That was 10 years ago. Or over 10 years ago.
- [35:56]
Brian Broaddus
That's weed.
- [35:58]
Audience Member
Yeah.
- [35:58]
Nick Harris
I was like, do you play receiver?
- [36:01]
Audience Member
No, I'm not. Josh Gordon. I just wanted to say vouch. I've been subscribed to you since 2017, which feels like a long time. I mean, it was a long time ago. This is almost eight, what, eight, nine years ago. I want to say that you and Brian are the reason I started watching film. So that's awesome. It will enhance your knowledge of the game if you can get your hands on it, which is becoming harder and harder and harder these days. But I just want to say I have a question for Voch. So during the 2020 draft, when CD Lamb got picked, you. You did. You did one of the. The greatest reactions and dances I've ever seen to a draft pick. I just want to say I'm. What. What type of pick at 12 would get you to do that reaction in this draft?
- [36:40]
Nick Harris
Shabar Stewart.
- [36:41]
Kyle Yeomans
It'd be Josh Simmons.
- [36:42]
Bobby Belt
Man, I'm 33 now, man. I can't just get up and dance like I used to.
- [36:46]
Audience Member
Oh, lies. But you're telling me if Josh Simmons.
- [36:51]
Kyle Yeomans
Is not there and he's the pick at 12, you're not doing a little dance?
- [36:55]
Bobby Belt
I am a professional now.
- [36:57]
Kyle Yeomans
So you're gonna do a professional dance.
- [36:59]
Bobby Belt
And Derrick Eagleton will kick me out the room if I got up and dance. I'll stretch. But Josh Simmons is one. TMac is another one. Love his game. Honestly, as long as it's a player that me and the Cowboys agree on, we good to go, you know, so.
- [37:17]
Audience Member
Not third round grade Mikel Williams, Sure.
- [37:21]
Bobby Belt
I am not as high on my kale as. And look, I don't even know if the cow was high on my kid. That's just rumors. But I'm not as high. If it's Mikel, I'm gonna keep a straight face. I'm gonna break down the player, and we're gonna give him his due, like Brian say. But, boy, when I leave, I'm gonna be fussing. But Josh Simmons and TMAC is the way, man.
- [37:40]
Audience Member
All right, Appreciate you guys.
- [37:41]
Zach Wolchuk
Appreciate you Bro, I appreciate you. Thank you for coming. How are you doing, sir?
- [37:44]
Audience Member
How's it going? My name is Cole.
- [37:47]
Zach Wolchuk
Cole.
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Kyle Yeomans
What's up, Cole?
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Commercial Voice
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Audience Member
First off, want to give y' all yalls flowers. Thank you so much for doing this. All the podcasts that y' all do, botches, YouTube channel, love of the star, all that gets me through my work day.
- [37:58]
Zach Wolchuk
Appreciate you.
- [37:58]
Audience Member
And it's a long work day.
- [38:01]
Bobby Belt
Bear with me.
- [38:02]
Audience Member
I'm bad at public speaking.
- [38:04]
Bobby Belt
Take your time. You're good.
- [38:05]
Audience Member
Obviously, the big point pre draft that we talk about is a lot of what happens rounds one through five, specifically one rounds one through three. But something I want to bring up. One of the best things that I think the Cowboys do is what they do after the draft. Now, Nick, I know you've been talking recently about how they could be looking for a quarterback undrafted. What kind of names are you, do you think will be there?
- [38:30]
Nick Harris
Obviously, we don't know who will be.
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Audience Member
There because there could be some surprises in the sixth and seventh. But what names do you think could be there that you would like the Cowboys to bring in? And also second question, a lot of one player I don't hear talk about a lot because I feel like a lot of the shine is on Shedeur and Travis Hunter. But can you give a scouting report on Jimmy Horn Jr. And where you think he fits in and where he's drafted? Yeah.
- [38:58]
Nick Harris
Thanks, man. I'll start with the undrafted conversation. Are you talking specifically a quarterback? All players. All players. I will go ahead and start a quarterback. I'll give you some other ones, though. Seth Hennigan out of Memphis, he's a local kid. I think he's worthy of a draft pick, but I think he could also slip to the undrafted market. He was a guy that was at Dallas day. He was throwing in that event. He was alongside Braden Shager, who is a Highland park grad just from up the street. He was also throwing in that event. And then Cowboys quarterbacks coach Steve Schimko attended the pro day of Graham Mertz at Florida. And you know, that's a guy that battled injury pretty bad going back to his last couple of years, going back to Wisconsin even, but with that injury is probably a situation where he's not drafted. And so that's another name that I think to keep a look at, looking at some other positions, man. You know, I see Marcus Yarn's name get thrown around a lot from Delaware, and I think he's worthy of a draft pick. But in looking around and kind of seeing what the Buzz is on him. He could potentially be a guy that's there in that undrafted market. He's a narrow frame, so he leads to inability to fight through contact. But you look at what he can do from an outside zone perspective and a pass catcher in the NFL, I think he would be a fun addition there in your undrafted market. If you're looking at a running back position type of situation, I mean, you can make the case that they could add an undrafted player at almost every position just to have that kind of depth. What they've done over the course of the last couple of years and bringing in guys from that undrafted market, there's going to be some talented guys. Steve Linton out of Baylor, that's another local ish guy that has a ton of experience that would be coming into this situation. I think he's an undrafted type of talent, but there's going to be a lot of fun names. I'm sure everybody on this panel has an undrafted.
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Brian Broaddus
You know, real quick, if I can pull back the curtain. And those are all great names. Chris hall, who does a great job in the Cowboys. Matter of fact, the reason why that we were able to get Tony Romo was because of Chris Hall. And Chris does a great job of not when the scouts, we set the board and then as the board gets selected at the end of the draft, you're in a situation where the first players are going to go after are the guys that are still on their draft board. So that's where they start. So anybody in the sixth, seventh round that's on that board still, those are the first calls they're making. And then they have what's called priority free agents after that and then free agents. So they've got different tiers. But the one thing Chris does is he keeps that board intact. He wouldn't let us move down Tony Romo. So Tony Romo's tag was there in the fifth round and that's where the focus went right off the jump. And that's why they do a great job with signing afterwards. Jerry and Steven willing to pay the money to pay the bonuses to go get these guys. But these are guys that are actually on their draft board and those are the first guys they're going to go get.
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Kyle Yeomans
I've got a name I want to add to Nick's list here. You mentioned Seth Hennigan. Can I interest you in one of his top wide receivers during his time at Memphis as well, Rock Taylor. Rock Taylor, 6 foot 1 4, 4, 40, had over 1,000 yards from scrimmage both in 2023 and 2024. He was all conference in the American last year. He's 61 change. He's a little bit shorter but he can play X. He can play outside. He could play him in the slot as well. I think he's kind of a versatile receiver. Great hands, decent route runner. I think there's ways that he would kind of pair with Seth Hennigan overall that I would like to see in the future. Kind of struggles against press coverage. That's one thing that I think he'll struggle in the NFL level with the.
- [42:29]
Nick Harris
Cowboys they did have a meeting with him at the Hula bowl, virtual meeting with him and then they've had two virtual meetings with him since. So they met with him three times during the draft process. That is definitely a guy to keep an eye on.
- [42:39]
Bobby Belt
I also I really like and he's not going to get drafted I don't think. But Tarleton State's got a wide receiver, Darius Cooper that I like a lot. He's 6ft tall, 21544 speed, 38 inch vertical like he shows a lot of explosiveness and to me the biggest thing about him he was a first team all American at the FCS level for the ap. I mean he did everything he was supposed to do at his level. It's just the level he plays at which he was an FCS player. And so I think that there's just going to be questions about competition and things like that. But the upside's all there. He shows NFL traits in terms of his athleticism and he put on tape was really encouraging. It's just as Brian's talked about before, it's the walk on water factor. If you're at that level you've got to walk on water. You've got to be absolutely dominant and if you're not that then you're probably either going to fall really late or go undrafted. But he's somebody who I think absolutely could be a diamond in the rough.
- [43:30]
Brian Broaddus
Do the Cowboys have Horn? I know the question was asked about Horn from Colorado. Do they already have that in Turpin? When you start to talk about a guy, a smaller guy.
- [43:38]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah 58 that plays.
- [43:39]
Brian Broaddus
Majority of his plays come from the slot.
- [43:41]
Zach Wolchuk
Right. So he might be a slot only player can also return. It's return specialist as well has the speed. I think he absolutely would be very Turpin like and I think he's another underrated guy.
- [43:51]
Bobby Belt
You mentioned slot only player and when Brian mentioned earlier coaching staff influencing the way you draft and some of the parameters you have that's going to be a shift from McCarthy to Schottenheimer. So McCarthy was a does not like slot only players was really against generally taking those sort of players. Schottenheimer's a little different. Schottenheimer I think is okay with. All right, if that's the only place you play, I'm fine still with what you can contribute to the team and find other different things for you to do. So that's one area where you'll see a shift. If they were a slot only player in the past, it was in the past. It was unlikely McCarthy was going to want them to take him.
- [44:23]
Tommy Orish
There's a second Kevonte Turpin in this draft. His name is Silas Bolden from Texas.
- [44:27]
Zach Wolchuk
Oh, okay.
- [44:29]
Tommy Orish
It's another guy that undrafted did the Oregon State transfer. Oregon State transfer wait for Texas? Come on, man.
- [44:36]
Kyle Yeomans
We're 43 minutes in and he brought.
- [44:39]
Zach Wolchuk
Honestly, longer than I thought. Who hit the over under there, boys?
- [44:45]
Nick Harris
We're still going on my Miami one, by the way.
- [44:47]
Tommy Orish
And look at look, we got a ball nowhere in the front row in the arch, man.
- [44:51]
Kyle Yeomans
We did say to wear your jersey, so those that showed up and wore.
- [44:54]
Tommy Orish
Jersey, we got another Longhorn in the. This is great. This is incredible. But yeah, so Silas Bolden, I've got him as an undrafted free agent, but if you. I don't know. Since you have Kevonte Turbin already and you just paid him, I don't know if you necessarily need another one, but if he's a return specialist only type of guy, I wouldn't hate it whatsoever. He's pretty tough for his size too. He took some licks in the College Football Playoff and was able to hold on through it. You look at the Arizona State game was one of his games where he got clobbered pretty good and was just able to hold on to the ball.
- [45:22]
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- [46:41]
Zach Wolchuk
All right, let's. Let's hear from Dak Prescott.
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Audience Member
My name is ryan. I drove 2. Over 2 hours from mineral Wells to be here tonight. Commitment, man.
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Zach Wolchuk
We appreciate you.
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Audience Member
Love y'. All.
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Brian Broaddus
So.
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Audience Member
So watch, Brian. I watch every single thing that y' all do and love the draft. I thought it was interesting that the Cowboys have been top secret with their 30 visits this year, and I'm just curious if there's somebody they're trying to.
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Nick Harris
Hide that on draft night at 12.
- [47:08]
Audience Member
Or 44, we could be shocked, stunned.
- [47:10]
Nick Harris
Or even pissed at the pick.
- [47:12]
Audience Member
And so who do you think the name that could be? And then, Brian, you said you weren't going to get mad this year no matter what.
- [47:19]
Brian Broaddus
Lies.
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Audience Member
What's the one. What's the one player that could get the closest?
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Brian Broaddus
I'm not gonna get mad. I'm too old. I'm too old to get mad now. I'm way too old to get mad.
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Kyle Yeomans
I feel like I don't believe that.
- [47:30]
Tommy Orish
I don't either.
- [47:31]
Brian Broaddus
No, you watch. I'm gonna. I'm gonna.
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Bobby Belt
All right.
- [47:34]
Kyle Yeomans
Are you.
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Brian Broaddus
I might have a Car Loftus moment, though.
- [47:38]
Bobby Belt
Are you. Are you gonna. Are you gonna utter the words this team doesn't care about what we think? That. That. That's. That's usually three, four times a draft.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah, three, four times a round. That's day three, Right. When I do that, they don't care about what I think. Lesson. They care about what I thought was 2005.
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Audience Member
Yeah.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah.
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Zach Wolchuk
Did you guys have a player in mind with the. The 12 or 44 they're hiding? Could Josh. Could Josh Simmons be one?
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Bobby Belt
Michael or will Johnson?
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Fan/Attendee
Maybe.
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Tommy Orish
I don't know if there's any names that have been reported that would. At 12 or 44. There would be like. I don't.
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Bobby Belt
I don't.
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Zach Wolchuk
That's out of nowhere.
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Tommy Orish
Yeah, I don't think anything would.
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Bobby Belt
Carson Swissinger. Can we talk can we. No. 44.
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Zach Wolchuk
Okay.
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Bobby Belt
Visiga 30 visit guy. Can we talk about Carson Schinger? Carson. I think he's Sean Lee and we, and I, I just got a feeling the Cowboys love him like I love him. They do. What'd you say, Bobby? They do. No, they like, they like Schlesinger a lot. Why you smiling, Bobby? Belt the Cowboys like Carson. Is there a chance that linebacker Carson Swedger is a 30 visit guy but he's our 44th overall pick.
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Nick Harris
It's potential linebackers. Coach Borgonzi worked him out at his pro day. That's certainly one. Another one that I think Cowboys like as much as you guys down the line is Josh Simmons.
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Bobby Belt
Why you say that? Because I love Josh Simmons.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Nick Harris
Yeah.
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Zach Wolchuk
You know that's the best tackle in the draft.
- [48:58]
Kyle Yeomans
Botch is going to dance.
- [49:00]
Bobby Belt
I might dance.
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Nick Harris
Yeah, that's, that's, that's one maybe in a trade back scenario, who knows?
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Audience Member
But okay.
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Tommy Orish
By the way, I found the, the video of Vatch reacting to CD Lamb and it was incredible.
- [49:10]
Brian Broaddus
Incredible.
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Kyle Yeomans
Can you send me that link?
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, yeah, please.
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Bobby Belt
Got a lot of followers that day. Go ahead.
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Zach Wolchuk
Go ahead and put that in the group chat.
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Tommy Orish
I think he just flew back in his chair and like I've never seen a chair bend back that far with how excited he was.
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Bobby Belt
This is why it's exciting. If you find the video right. I'm just counting it down. I say, okay, San Fran is going to take like a D tackle or something. Okay. They're going to look at Judy and say, oh, the route run is better than CD and you actually see me going. And they go, Jerry Jude. Okay, cool. And then there's Raiders.
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Audience Member
All right.
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Bobby Belt
We know the Raiders gonna do. They gonna take the fast guy. And they took the fast guy.
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Zach Wolchuk
They took the fast guy.
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Bobby Belt
And I say, Ceedee Lamb better not be on the board when we there and he's there and we took him and I fell out of my chair.
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Zach Wolchuk
That's amazing.
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Tommy Orish
Fell out of your chair. You almost broke your camera slamming on the face.
- [49:51]
Bobby Belt
That camera was already broke.
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Audience Member
I was.
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Bobby Belt
That's a different era in my content days. I'll say just going back to Swessinger too. Depending on if they view Jalen Walker as more of a hybrid, they view potentially Jihad Campbell as a guy who's more of a hybrid. If they think he's got edge rushing ability. If you're just talking about pure linebacker, like I think that there is a chance that that's their top linebacker. If you just look at your linebacker.
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Kyle Yeomans
Position even over a guy like Jihad Campbell who's kind of in that same.
- [50:19]
Bobby Belt
Thought process depending on if they view Campbell as more edge. Linebacker hype. Look at. That's the position you play, linebackers.
- [50:26]
Kyle Yeomans
There's a lot of hype around Jihad Campbell over these last couple.
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Bobby Belt
I think Campbell's above Schlesinger, but if you just talk about pure linebacker play, not ask him to do anything else, then I think there's a chance. Swiss.
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Brian Broaddus
I think you have to be concerned about some of the stuff with Campbell's injuries though. You know, shoulders, knees, lingering things. Yeah, but we've done this for a long time now. Alabama linebackers and that, that Nick Saban administration and those linebackers were banged up. It always seemed like there was always knee problems, shoulder problems and all that. They're all really big hitters, you know. But yeah, this, if you, if you're thinking about Campbell and if you see him slide a little bit, that might be some of the reasons why some of the medical stuff is you have to, you have to work on.
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Zach Wolchuk
Schwester is a hell of a player though. Yeah, one year starter, but his best football is ahead of him. You talk about instincts, that guy's got him. How are we doing? Tony Romo.
- [51:18]
Bobby Belt
My name is Aaron from Sherman, Texas and I have a couple, I have a couple of different players I was going to ask you about. One of them is one that I'm.
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Audience Member
Interested in just because I've watched a.
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Bobby Belt
Lot of his games and so I'm kind of curious about which is Danny Stutzman from Oklahoma. Yeah, the second one. And this is more because all. Now he's with the same team. But part of reason why I'm curious.
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Audience Member
About this one is one of my.
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Bobby Belt
My best friends like that he played with his, his dad on a semi.
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Audience Member
Pro team which he's with the same.
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Bobby Belt
Team but Billy Bowman the safety. So I'm kind of curious about both of them and what y' all thought.
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Audience Member
Especially like as maybe late round or undrafted. Just.
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Brian Broaddus
Anyone tell you the Texas guy?
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Tommy Orish
No, I'm just kidding. Anybody, Anybody got. I can go first.
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Zach Wolchuk
I mean you can, you can take Stutzman, I'll take Bowman.
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Tommy Orish
Yeah. So Stutzman is. Stutzman is a guy who was incredibly productive at Oklahoma. If he doesn't, if he's not one of their top five leaders and tacklers over in tackles over the time at Oklahoma history, I'd. I'd be shocked. That was a huge get for their defense when he came back for his last season. Not the most athletic guy, but he just has a knack for getting guys to the ground and so I think you can appreciate that from a football standpoint. And then Billy Bowman is really interesting in the late rounds. This is a guy who was initially committed to Texas in high school, then flipped to Oklahoma, was kind of a staple of that secondary and really held it down over there for the most part. Really athletic kid, can kind of do everything for you. He adds the return element to the game. He can. He can do that. He did it a little bit in his days at Denton Ryan. So he's a local Dallas area guy. So two good kind of value late round guys I think that you could be looking at there.
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Nick Harris
Bowman, I've heard some day two buzz about.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I got Bowman in the third.
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Tommy Orish
I wouldn't be shocked at all.
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Brian Broaddus
He's kind of a right place at the right time guy, man.
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Zach Wolchuk
He's always around the ball.
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Brian Broaddus
I mean, you can watch always game and the overthrows with Quinn Ewers that day. He's just a playmaker, stuff like that.
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Tommy Orish
Which one?
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Brian Broaddus
Tommy was getting a soft drink that day.
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Tommy Orish
It was the final score.
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Brian Broaddus
I've just been. But, but I'll say this, you know, just talking about the linebackers with Stutzman and I don't know if my guys, we haven't. I don't think we've talked about this as a group. There's kind of a pocket of those linebackers that are kind of old school looking like Bill Parcells would love these guys, like these big, tall, kind of like really? Do they cover well?
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Bobby Belt
Kobe King.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah, there's a group. Yeah, King, couple of those Studsman Simon, they're all in that kind of that pocket together. So if you're looking for one of those old throwback giant, New York Giant, big body linebackers, there's probably that. That fourth round has got probably five of them if you want those guys that they're playing. I think Stutzman's in that group with these guys.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I'd take Teddy Buchanan probably over all of them at a Cal.
- [54:00]
Brian Broaddus
He's probably around earlier.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I've got him in the third, but I'm with you on Stutzman. I got him in the fourth. Billy Bowman Jr. I'm probably biased because I got to cover him at Den Ryan. I just love the kid, man. I mean, he's just a playmaker. You mentioned he's always around the football plays with no fear. He's just small. That's the Biggest issue with Billy Bowman Jr. He's a tiny guy, but I got him in the third. Somebody's going to get a gem with Billy Bowman Jr. How are we doing, sir? I love the jersey. Is this Tony Dorsett?
- [54:24]
Brian Broaddus
It is 77 rookie.
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Zach Wolchuk
That is beautiful, that road jersey.
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Brian Broaddus
Hey, good evening, guys.
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Audience Member
I'm a big fan of the fan.
- [54:32]
Brian Broaddus
My name is KT McDonald. Big fan. Bobby Below the Belt is my favorite segment on the Fan.
- [54:41]
Audience Member
I'm in the car every day dropping my son off.
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Brian Broaddus
And after the commercial with the. I think it's a Chevy commercial. It comes right on at 840. So I. The intro. I love it. Vodch, I'm a huge fan. It's nice to see you with mainstream media. So I'm loving that you're here in Dallas now and working with Brian. And then lastly, Brian, I love what you're doing in terms of promoting diversity within the media and how you. And how you actually just give back as much as you do from your knowledge. Thank you. So, big fan, sir. Two quick questions. I just made a putt at the Masters.
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Fan/Attendee
Two.
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Brian Broaddus
Two quick questions. Right.
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Audience Member
So I, I'm under the theory, what.
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Brian Broaddus
If the Cowboys throw us a curveball.
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Audience Member
And we lost Zach Martin.
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Brian Broaddus
You got bb. What if you move him back to.
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Audience Member
Guard and then you go in the.
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Brian Broaddus
Third round draft a center? Give me an idea. Watch other line, line guys. Who's the top centers and who could be available in the third round. And then real quick, before you answer that, Vodch, I got one, One last question. Just put out there. I'll move out of the way. Brian, I got to pick a fight with you about Amari and Hampton. Okay. I still think he can be a, be a first round guy.
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Audience Member
I think he's. I think he can be DeMarco Murray.
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Brian Broaddus
Without the knee injury. I think he, I think he'd also be Terrell Davis with a little bit more speed. And then lastly, what if you can draft Eric Dickerson because Eric Dickinson was not elusive.
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Audience Member
Only thing I've heard you complain about, Omari, is he was.
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Brian Broaddus
He's not elusive enough. So what if you could draft Eric Dickerson in the 12th round? Hampton is that guy. The DeMarco Murray comparison. And then you took it to a whole nother level. I was, I was, I was like, yeah, cool. And then I just got hit with a right cross. You know, Hampton, like I said, I, I like Johnson from Iowa myself. And, and I, if you, if you. When you see my stack on, when it gets posted on 153thefan.com. You'll see this. You'll see. I had a. I had a real difficult time with Johnson, Hampton and Henderson. I mean, they are like. It's like a player separating each and I. And I really, really struggle with that. I think the thing, like I say when I first saw Hampton run, I said, this is demarco Murray running the ball. This is the way that he, you know, DeMarco not always elusive, you know, but the thing about it was he'd hit, take the ball, go through and then, you know, make a cut and then go. I don't have a problem with Hampton. If you were to tell me any one of those guys, Johnson, Hampton, Henderson at 44, I'm totally okay with that. I don't have. I don't have any problem with those running back. I think, I think you're going to get to a level where like I say, we're genty. And then those three guys. And then to me, I've got the. In the next. It's like, I got those guys. It's like just to be simple here. Very good. And then you get to the third round, you got good. Give me the opportunity to take. Very good. And if Hampton is one of those guys, I have absolutely no problem with that.
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Bobby Belt
As far as your O line question goes, this isn't the best year to go look for a center. And I would personally be hurt if I, you know, looked at Beebe and said, all right, all this hard work you learned being a center, snapping, stepping and all this, this difficulty that comes with playing center. All right, just go back and play guard. I think that'll hurt me personally. But if you did move BB back to guard and you had to find a center, Willie Lampkin is the guy that I'm always advocating for. He's 5 10. And I don't know how y' all feel about 5'10 offensive lineman. You know, we probably shouldn't be looking at shorter guys playing offensive. I get it. But the first thing they teach him in football school was low man wins. And he's always the low man. And that's what he uses.
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Kyle Yeomans
And he wins a lot.
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Bobby Belt
He's. He whoops ass.
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Audience Member
Yeah, he does.
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Kyle Yeomans
His film is. Is as good as any short offensive lineman you possibly have. Well, Terry, we talked about the small school guys, right? You gotta, you gotta walk on water.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
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Kyle Yeomans
When you're 5, 10 and you've got that tag next to you, you better walk on water.
- [58:52]
Bobby Belt
Skips on water.
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Brian Broaddus
Skips all over.
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Kyle Yeomans
I mean, he's He's a. He is a phenomenal film player. He didn't even get an invite to the combine. You talk about being personally hurt. I was personally hurt by that because.
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Brian Broaddus
He'S a good player. The question was also asked of, of the curveball. Tell these guys why you then would pick Booker if you're. Don't move. Don't move. BB yeah, but pick a guard. Pick a guard.
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Bobby Belt
Take Booker, get powerful, be strong. You know, I mean, if you want to.
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Brian Broaddus
If you really want a curveball at.
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Bobby Belt
12, you know, just. I'm a Cowboy fan that was born in 1992. You know what I'm saying? 33 years old and the. The last couple years of my Cowboy fandom, I've dealt with some Conners, with some, you know, beatishes or whatever, like just stalemate guys, you know, When I hear all the old gentlemen in the crowd say, boy, those days when the wall was just whooping feet, I wasn't around when the wall was just whooping feet, you know, so once we moved on from Travis and, you know, Tyron's gone now and Zach is gone now, I think the best shot, you have to get back powerful to take care of both a gaps. It's the first thing they teach you in football school. Deal with a gap, get a strong dude and put him next to a strong dude and put him next to another strong dude, Tyler Smith. Cooper Beebe and Tyler Booker next to each other. You kidding me? And then we live in this world. This makes me smile so big. When we go against the Eagles and Jalen Carter lines up against Tyler Smith, and I feel okay about that rep, you know, but then Jaylen Carter go line up against somebody else, and I start to feel nervous a little because he whoops those guys, right? Get Tyler Booker, put him at right guard, and you kind of got this, Okay? I can deal with the Eagles as guys. I can deal with the Washington guys. I can deal with the Giants guys, right? No matter who you 49ers, whoever, they end up, you know, getting to go and play for them. If you line up against the Vikings, the Vikings spent a lot of money at one taking three to you. You can deal with those guys now. And just because you good at left guard don't mean you good at right guard. So if you want a curveball, take. Take Tyler Booker.
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Audience Member
We'll have a party.
- [60:50]
Brian Broaddus
That's a curveball right there.
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Bobby Belt
Take Tyler Booker. Booker really quickly on Willie Lampkin. I've asked several different. I can't find a scout to tell Me, they think he gets drafted. It's just the size limitations are too much.
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Kyle Yeomans
So going back to the undrafted Terry Long conversation.
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Brian Broaddus
Terry Long was picked from the Steelers and from East Carolina way back in the day when I was sitting in rooms and that. He was a 511, played a few years. But that, that, that is such an outlier for you right there at that size. But the film is incredible. Yeah, the film really.
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Zach Wolchuk
It really is.
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Bobby Belt
Where.
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Kyle Yeomans
I'm just curious as a panel, where is your highest rated center, a true center? Because mine's in the fourth.
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Brian Broaddus
Seth McLaughlin.
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Zach Wolchuk
McLaughlin.
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Kyle Yeomans
Where do you have him?
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Zach Wolchuk
The third.
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Brian Broaddus
Third round.
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Kyle Yeomans
Third round.
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Bobby Belt
So I have him.
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Kyle Yeomans
I think fourth round.
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Brian Broaddus
I think he's. I think he's. I think he's Jason Kelsey.
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Kyle Yeomans
Wow.
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Audience Member
And you have him in the third.
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Zach Wolchuk
McLaughlin.
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Brian Broaddus
I think he is, yeah. I mean, you watch, you watch 10.
- [61:42]
Zach Wolchuk
Games, you want to Remington.
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Brian Broaddus
We all marvel at the way that Junkins and Henderson and all those guys run, you know, run the ball and stuff. Watch the guy cutting defenses in half. Watch the guy reaching front, side watch. You know, they have really good linemen there. I mean, him and Jackson. Jackson, all those guys, they were all. But you watch that center. He, he, he could, I mean, he could second level. He could get the wide threes. I mean, it's. I think he's. I think he's got some Kelsey to him.
- [62:11]
Nick Harris
Gray Zable out of North Dakota State, you guys have him as a center or guard.
- [62:14]
Zach Wolchuk
I got center.
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Brian Broaddus
I got him.
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Bobby Belt
He's my number one. In the third, I have, I have.
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Nick Harris
Him as my top center back into the second. So that would, that would be my top center if I was also looking around. Another name I would like to throw out is Jonah Monheim out of usc.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Nick Harris
Really talented, versatile guy that has played in multiple spots during his time in Los Angeles.
- [62:33]
Kyle Yeomans
Big body guy, too.
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Nick Harris
Yeah. And he could play any of the three interior spots going in the next level. He's. He's a talented guy, too.
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Brian Broaddus
What's the. The kid Wilson. I know we're here at center talk.
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Zach Wolchuk
Jared Wilson, Georgia.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I. Some good, some bad. Doesn't like he's experienced, you know, doesn't play like he's, you know, kind of loses that connection with his guys. Did anybody else have a little trouble with him?
- [62:55]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan.
- [62:56]
Bobby Belt
Yeah, me neither.
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Nick Harris
I have Jake majors over him from Texas.
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Brian Broaddus
I do too. Tommy's got Jake majors in the first center one.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah. You might as well take him at 12, right, Tommy?
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Audience Member
That's right.
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Brian Broaddus
I've got 15 first round grades. They're all Texas players. That's right.
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Bobby Belt
And Shot Schottenheimer's entertained a little bit with some questions about BB moving to guard, but I think that's more. We keep all options open. I, I don't think they're going to move him. I think he's staying at center. Well.
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Zach Wolchuk
And if you want to go guard second around Jonah from Zona, I would be so down. Put him at right.
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Bobby Belt
I'm not a fan of Jonah.
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Zach Wolchuk
You don't like Jonah. I'm shocked that you don't like Jonah.
- [63:30]
Kyle Yeomans
He would be the guy.
- [63:31]
Bobby Belt
I am stunned, you know, watching him. I just didn't see a guy that got a bunch of push. You know, he's a stalemate guy. He's a hat on hat guy to me. But I don't think he's athletic enough to be hat on hat guy. If you're going to be hat on hat, don't whoop you guy. Yeah, I at least need you to be a super athlete, you know. So the center from Ohio State, at least he's an athlete, but he doesn't whoop folk like that. Jonah just didn't whoop bodies like that. So I just wasn't a fan.
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Brian Broaddus
If you're going to be pin and pull type of a team or you're going to play the outside leads and stuff like that, I don't know if Jonah is that guy for you. I think in a heavy footage area, I think in a small area, I think he's really.
- [64:06]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, he's good in the phone booth.
- [64:07]
Brian Broaddus
But when it has to extend, I think there's some problems there.
- [64:11]
Kyle Yeomans
I think as a pass protector though, you're talking about run.
- [64:13]
Brian Broaddus
Oh, they brought him in.
- [64:14]
Kyle Yeomans
I mean, his past protection is as good as anybody.
- [64:18]
Bobby Belt
I think he's fine.
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Brian Broaddus
But man, I would say, I would say if for pin and pull stuff, yeah, you're right.
- [64:23]
Bobby Belt
Because I got a Colby from. I was much, much better at all those things, in my personal opinion.
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Zach Wolchuk
I got notes against K State that he did struggle to get around the edge. And then Mbu, if he's there at 12, I, I like bamboo as a guard as well. I think that could be a guy that's an athlete, 20 years old. You play him at right guard, that'd be awesome to me.
- [64:39]
Bobby Belt
Sure.
- [64:40]
Zach Wolchuk
I'd be in on that.
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- [66:01]
Zach Wolchuk
Okay. How are you doing, sir?
- [66:04]
Fan/Attendee
Well, hey, I just want to say I'm a big fan. I moved here from Southern California two years ago. Been listening to the Fan for a long time. Big fan of Brian and. And all the guys at the Star, and that's why I moved here. So I actually live at the Star. So my question is, for the last two years or two and a half years now, this be my second draft, being at the Star and being at the Star, we get to see a lot of the kids working out. A lot of the Texas kids come and work out. And so last year I was there with some of my buddies, ex linemen for the Cowboys. And these guys are still big. And we were hanging out with Sweat, the big nose guard, that's the guy I wanted because we haven't had a nose guard in 50 years. We. We can't stop the run. And we were all hanging out with them, and let's just say he made our ex lineman look small. And some of these ex linemen are Pro bowl guys. One of them, you know, has a gold jacket. And we asked him, we said, who is the best offensive tackle that you go up against? He said, without a doubt. He goes, the one guy that kicks my butt every day is Banks. The other day saw Banks. Banks is a man. Banks is a man. And so we went up and we talked to him. We told him the story we said, you know, your buddy Sweat last year said, you're the man. You guys, he goes, oh yeah, you know, we give it to each other all the time. So my question is, we all know the Cowboys need a running back. We have, there's not a starting running back on this team. We got a bunch of guys that are going to sell insurance in a few months. We have no running backs. But talking to my buddies that are ex linemen for the Cowboys all say you can't have a running game unless you have a line. We have nothing at right tackle, don't really have much of left tackle. We have a stud at left guard. We have a good young center. My question is, if somehow the Cowboys were to drop back a few picks, we go from 12 to 16 to maybe 17. Could the Cowboys, if he's there, possibly look at Banks and taking a look at Tyler Guyton who's not a real big physical. He doesn't look like a left tackle, he looks like a small forward. Would there be any way of taking Tyler Guyton and moving him to right tackle where he's played his whole career? Move Banks to left tackle and then start building out that way and then in the second, third, fourth round we go get our running back. Is that something that maybe could happen?
- [68:41]
Nick Harris
Yeah, that's a really solid question. If I could start fellas here on this one. Couple of things I want to point out with that one. Kelvin Banks is a 30 visit guy, right? So someone they are taking a hard look at, right? He's a dominant player.
- [68:52]
Fan/Attendee
He's huge.
- [68:53]
Nick Harris
Talk about before the College Football Playoff and he had a couple of bad games in the, in the playoff. He's a top 10 player and I think we talk about him being the number one alignment off the board a lot more than we already do. As far as the idea of moving him to left tackle, Guyton to right tackle. I think this is kind of an overarching thing on the Terrance Steele conversation. I don't think there's a player on this roster that benefits more from this coaching change than Terrance Steele. And the reason for that is Clayton Adams and what he's going to be bringing from a pin and pull perspective, Brian Schoenheimer, his intention and also his knowledge of what he has had with, with, with Terrence Steele, I think is really going to benefit his game. I, I think Terence Steele just bought two more years with this team than he, than he had prior to this coaching change. That's, that's my opinion. I Could be wrong on that and we could be right back here next year and y' all can say I'm an idiot. But I, I, I think, I think Terence Steele is going to be fine at that right tackle spot. Now granted, you still got to figure out right guard. Could Kelvin Banks be a right guard? I feel like that would be a lot of moving, but if that's a type of player that is there for you at like a 17 or an 18.
- [69:55]
Audience Member
Right.
- [69:56]
Nick Harris
I mean, he's a guy I have a first round grade on and if I'm at 17 or 18, there's probably not many first round grades left. If I'm sticking to my board, then, then I'm picking the guy.
- [70:04]
Bobby Belt
I think, I think fixing steel or making sure somebody was going to come in here and work with steel and get him back to where he was, I think that was a big part of what they were trying to figure out in terms of rebuilding the offensive line. So I think they're, they're committed to him. I think that that was probably one of the under discussed storylines with the old coaching staff was Mike Solari didn't like Terence Steele. Terence Steele felt like he didn't get a lot of the coaching that he wanted from Solari. So I think that was a, that was a big topic for them when they moved on from Solari, I think was just the stunting of Terrance Steel's development. I will say Banks moving him inside at guard I think would be more likely than drafting him to play tackle.
- [70:44]
Fan/Attendee
Okay.
- [70:46]
Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
- [70:46]
Bobby Belt
And I think there's some question though about, for this team, I think there's some question about Banks finishing like finishing plays and then being on the interior and, and being able to do that to the Guyton part of it. I think it's been a little oversold about Guyton playing right. Naturally, because Guyton started, what was he, tight end or defensive tackle when he got defensive tackle when he got to tcu and he started at right tackle that year at Oklahoma. But I mean that was like, it's not like he spent his whole life there. So, I mean, I think the Cowboys felt like the footwork is there to be a left tackle. That's what we heard from the scouts the day on day three last year was they felt like the footwork in the hands were that of a left tackle and that it's not like he'd spent so much time at right tackle that he had developed habits that were going to be really difficult to change.
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Fan/Attendee
Yeah, but is he big enough? Because in Person. He's not a dominating leader looking guy.
- [71:36]
Audience Member
He's not.
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Bobby Belt
What is he, 662 or 663 2.
- [71:40]
Fan/Attendee
Yeah.
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Nick Harris
Just needs to fill out.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah, yeah.
- [71:43]
Nick Harris
He's a giant £20. You. He. He would certainly look the part.
- [71:46]
Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Fan/Attendee
Well, thank you guys.
- [71:48]
Zach Wolchuk
Thank you.
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Audience Member
Thank you.
- [71:49]
Fan/Attendee
And just one guy for you guys to look up. I forget the kid's name, but this kid could be the stud of the entire draft. He's a running back from Cal Davis. This kid catches, runs this.
- [72:01]
Audience Member
Talk to me.
- [72:02]
Fan/Attendee
This kid, this kid in the fourth, fifth round. Could be the next number one back in all of football.
- [72:09]
Audience Member
This kid is special.
- [72:10]
Nick Harris
You just became my favorite person in here.
- [72:11]
Fan/Attendee
Thank you.
- [72:12]
Brian Broaddus
Nick, Nick, Nick. Give us the scout.
- [72:13]
Kyle Yeomans
Land Larison.
- [72:14]
Nick Harris
Yeah, Land Larison.
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Audience Member
We.
- [72:15]
Nick Harris
We brought him up on the show last week.
- [72:18]
Fan/Attendee
Yeah.
- [72:19]
Nick Harris
2300 total yards last year in 2024. When we talk about FCS guys needing to walk on water, we had a skip on water. This guy was just hovering above the water. He had a hoverboard above that water.
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Audience Member
He was flying.
- [72:31]
Nick Harris
He could be a 3 down back 6 foot 215 early down. Physicality and ability to easily get into the second level. He's got the receiving ability, 62 receptions last year. He's got the pass protection. You can deploy him in the slot. I mean, this is a really talented player. Thank you for bringing him up.
- [72:46]
Bobby Belt
Why are you smiling so big?
- [72:48]
Nick Harris
I didn't expect to talk about it tonight.
- [72:50]
Bobby Belt
That's a while. That's awesome.
- [72:51]
Nick Harris
That's a dub for me.
- [72:52]
Zach Wolchuk
What is up? How are you, sir?
- [72:54]
Bobby Belt
Hey, fellas, my name is Kevin.
- [72:56]
Audience Member
Let me take you back 20, 20, 21 NFL Draft. I was had the TV on mute. Didn't want to watch or listen to that draft show on my computer. V's live stream on my phone.
- [73:07]
Tommy Orish
Appreciate you.
- [73:08]
Audience Member
I believe it was second round draft. Kelvin Joseph V might have went a little crazy.
- [73:16]
Zach Wolchuk
In a good or bad way.
- [73:18]
Audience Member
Action may be regrettable right now, but CD Lamb dropped a 17. Right? Kyle, did you run for him?
- [73:27]
Kyle Yeomans
I ran a half marathon for him.
- [73:29]
Audience Member
You ran a half marathon for him?
- [73:30]
Kyle Yeomans
I made a bet and lost because I didn't think he would drop and I didn't think they'd take him, so.
- [73:34]
Audience Member
Right. So team sucker draft ran to my.
- [73:35]
Kyle Yeomans
From my apartment to the star and back.
- [73:38]
Audience Member
What's a player that could drop the second third round that should not be there? And I'll throw it out first. I might be the only one in the room, but I have at Buka as my top Receiver, you know, I'm high floor guy.
- [73:55]
Zach Wolchuk
You got a good eye there with the mech egg Buka. That's, that's one of the safest players in the entire draft.
- [73:59]
Kyle Yeomans
I think that could be a guy who could fall though. If you're talking about a potential fall, he shouldn't, he should, he shouldn't. He should be a top 20 pick in this draft. But if you're talking about a guy because he doesn't have the high upside, and I know Brian loves that conversation of ceiling versus floor. He doesn't. The, the, the part of Mecca Buka is the fact that he has the floor.
- [74:21]
Bobby Belt
Right.
- [74:21]
Kyle Yeomans
But some of these teams may say, okay, I'm going to take this guy who has more traits and production over a guy like Igbuka. That shouldn't happen. Team suck at drafting and at the same time it's going to be one of those conversations down the line. But I think he would be a possibility.
- [74:35]
Bobby Belt
Let me just say Kelvin Joseph was good enough to be a second round pick. He just wanted to be a rapper and he didn't want to. And look me watching. He wanted to be a lot of things. Just me watching film. How am I supposed to know that he wanted to be a rapper in real life? You know what I mean? So, so I can't be wrong about that.
- [74:50]
Nick Harris
Was he a first round player for you?
- [74:51]
Bobby Belt
No sir. No sir. No. Second round player, second round player for me. But you know, just talking about a guy that's, that's probably gonna fall in the draft, that has no business falling in the draft. Tommy, why don't you tell us about our safety from Texas? That's the, that's the best safety in.
- [75:04]
Tommy Orish
The class, Andrew Makuba. I think if, if he does fall, I think it's going to be because he might be too small for some teams.
- [75:12]
Bobby Belt
Sure.
- [75:13]
Tommy Orish
And it's a, it's a shame that people feel that way because I'm glad that Vaj is with me on this. This is a guy who flies all over the field. There we go.
- [75:21]
Audience Member
Now we're, now we're rolling.
- [75:22]
Tommy Orish
This is a guy who flies all over the field. Even at his time at Clemson, it just didn't really pop as much. When he transferred to Texas, they needed him to pop in that secondary and he did. This is a guy who was all over the field. If you want to watch some of the best safety tape that you'll see from this class, turn on the Texas Michigan game from earlier this season. He played fantastic against Michigan. He was great. Down the stretch at the game winning interception against Arizona State, we talked about Billy Bowman being the right guy at the right place type of player. Andrew Makuba is the same way. And I feel like if he takes the next step in the run game and kind of being able to fill that part of his game out, which he's still a pretty solid run defender. You're talking about a guy who's going to be in the league for 10, 12 years.
- [76:00]
Nick Harris
He'd be the first cowboy in history to be born in the Zimbabwe anyone cares about.
- [76:04]
Zach Wolchuk
Pretty amazing.
- [76:05]
Brian Broaddus
What about a guy that might slide Is our East Carolina corner?
- [76:09]
Nick Harris
I was going to bring about that like a 76 type situation because the more mocks I see, the more I see, the more I see him at the top of that third. Savon Revel.
- [76:17]
Fan/Attendee
Yeah.
- [76:17]
Nick Harris
And that's that. That would be surprise to me. But you know, the more mocks that I see from people that I trust in the industry have him at the top of that third round. And I wonder how much the medicals are really concerning. I know that there is more to the medicals than we don't know.
- [76:30]
Brian Broaddus
I talked to a couple of trainers and a couple of doctors about him because that's a guy I have a first round grade on. And the medical for that was fine. Everything was fine. There was nothing like, hey, you don't have to worry about this guy. Dr. Cooper, Dan Cooper, who's a Cowboys team doctor, has done five different surgeries for kids in this draft. So you don't worry about those kids. But I think this is a guy that if you say you do grab one of these wider seats, receivers at, at the, at their spot at 12 and you turn around at 44 and hit this kid, you know, now, now you're, now you're cooking in my opinion because I think I this kid, if he didn't hurt his knee, he'd be the best corner in the strap.
- [77:11]
Zach Wolchuk
Agreed.
- [77:11]
Nick Harris
The one year of starting experience in the American Conference. Does that concern you?
- [77:15]
Brian Broaddus
No, not really.
- [77:17]
Bobby Belt
I really like Ty Leak Williams from Ohio State and I think he's going to be there at 44 in all likelihood. And that to me is a guy who should go much higher than that. And so Tylek Williams, to me, the defensive tackle from Ohio State, it's a big one. And if you want to look at another defense tackle, I think Kenneth Grant's probably going to go lower than I would want him to.
- [77:32]
Tommy Orish
Oh, really?
- [77:33]
Bobby Belt
Bobby Bell. I don't want to gr.
- [77:36]
Audience Member
Hold on, Brian Br.
- [77:38]
Bobby Belt
Hold on, please. Hold on, please. Oh, no.
- [77:39]
Brian Broaddus
We're gonna get a T. We're gonna get a Williams fight here.
- [77:41]
Bobby Belt
I don't know. Just hold on. Bobby Belt. Yep. Where were you at in our draft show group chat or whatever? I was on the draft show doing my thing. I was like, hey, man, Tyler Williams, the dude, and Zach, Zack and. And damn, Tommy here.
- [77:58]
Zach Wolchuk
Well, because Alfred Collins is just a better player.
- [78:00]
Bobby Belt
Al ain't a better Alfred Collins over.
- [78:02]
Zach Wolchuk
Ty Williams all day, every day.
- [78:05]
Bobby Belt
Zach, hold on, man. I'm talking to Bobby Belt, please. Oh, okay. Please. Bobby, who. Who do you have on your stack? Higher. You got Ty Williams from Ohio State or you got who?
- [78:16]
Audience Member
Alfred Collins.
- [78:16]
Tommy Orish
Don't.
- [78:17]
Zach Wolchuk
Don't be disrespectful now.
- [78:18]
Bobby Belt
From Texas, I've got Tyk Williams. Higher. Thank you, Bobby Bell. No, and I. I'm a Texas fan, but Tyk Williams, to me was.
- [78:24]
Nick Harris
I'll third that look to me.
- [78:25]
Bobby Belt
Thank you. There we go.
- [78:28]
Zach Wolchuk
I've beat four smartest ones on the panel here.
- [78:30]
Bobby Belt
The way people talk about. The way people talk about Luther Burden.
- [78:35]
Audience Member
Yeah.
- [78:36]
Zach Wolchuk
Wrong. Wrong.
- [78:37]
Bobby Belt
Luther. The way people talk about Luther Burton is how I feel about Ty Williams, where It's like, was 23 better than 24? Yeah, like. Like, was 24. Not quite what you'd want out of him.
- [78:46]
Fan/Attendee
Yeah.
- [78:46]
Bobby Belt
But to me, I think I see enough consistently with him that I said, that's somebody who is really versatile to be able to use on the defensive line. Somebody who. The way that, I mean, he is, to me, such a great mental processor at stuff with screens, draw plays, different, things like that. He sees things really quickly. He's able to disengage from blocks. I love Ty Lee Williams. I think he's really, really good. And I think a lot of the issues that he does have are just about expanding his toolbox. What does the league say about him? Let's just keep talking about. I think the league thinks less of him than I do. I don't think. I don't think the league thinks poorly. I think he's somewhere in that range. Second round, early second round towards Dallas's pick. I'm just saying, man. Woolchuck and Tommy loudly jumped me about this. Alfred Collins, Tylee Williams. I just think Ty Leak is such a dude.
- [79:34]
Zach Wolchuk
I like Tylee Williams. I just like Alfred Collins. It's not to down Ty Williams. He's a good player. I've got him in the second round, but I like Alfred Collins more. I would just take Alfred Collins before him.
- [79:44]
Bobby Belt
Love you, Zach. Appreciate it.
- [79:45]
Audience Member
Thank you, gentlemen.
- [79:46]
Kyle Yeomans
Thank you.
- [79:47]
Brian Broaddus
Thank you.
- [79:48]
Zach Wolchuk
What do we got, man? How are you, Matthew?
- [79:50]
Kyle Yeomans
What's up, Matt?
- [79:50]
Bobby Belt
I'm good.
- [79:51]
Tommy Orish
Hey, Matthew.
- [79:52]
Zach Wolchuk
Good, good to see you.
- [79:54]
Bobby Belt
Fan of all of you. Tommy and Nick, my guys, we came in the media game together in 2018 and work with you guys in 2019. Water breaker Friday night stars.
- [80:03]
Zach Wolchuk
Sir.
- [80:04]
Bobby Belt
You're right.
- [80:04]
Audience Member
Baby.
- [80:05]
Bobby Belt
Of the season.
- [80:05]
Brian Broaddus
Yes, sir.
- [80:06]
Bobby Belt
Yes, sir. That was a good time botch. Thank you for coming out broadest. You the man.
- [80:10]
Brian Broaddus
Thank you.
- [80:11]
Bobby Belt
You. You also, Bobby. Thank you. I don't care what they say about you. I love you. So I. I have a couple of questions and I may get fired by some for this, but I'm asking anyway. Wishful thinking on my part because I really want to bolster this defensive tackle room some more. What would it take to go up and get Mason Grant?
- [80:31]
Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
- [80:34]
Bobby Belt
And then number two. Good question.
- [80:38]
Audience Member
He made me forget my question.
- [80:41]
Bobby Belt
Defensive question with that.
- [80:44]
Audience Member
Yeah.
- [80:44]
Bobby Belt
Going up to take Mason Graham, number one and then number two, Ali Gordon. I feel like he's a James Connor clone.
- [80:53]
Audience Member
Where can we get him?
- [80:54]
Bobby Belt
Okay, I, I'll speak to Gordon first. I think Gordon's probably going to be a third round guy. Third, four, fourth is where I would guess. But I mean, I know I've. I've asked about Ollie Gordon before because of somebody in this room that's a big Oklahoma State fan and loves Ollie Gordon. Ollie Gordon. I think general thought from a lot of people is that's just consistent, steady all around, three down type of back that, that the league is, is fond of. It's just, it's such a stacked running back class. It kind of depends on the ice cream question that Brian talks about. People like different flavors. So I think Ollie Gordon probably, if you're going to try to get him probably third or fourth round.
- [81:30]
Kyle Yeomans
Where would you have to go get him? Probably five, right?
- [81:32]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, you probably have to go up.
- [81:34]
Kyle Yeomans
And get Jacksonville at 5. I think there's a chance they take gentee but then that would throw things off. But let's just say to be safe, you'd have to go up to five. On the trade chart that I'm looking at, it's 500 points and your second round pick is only worth 460. So it would take your second round pick and it would probably take a day three pick two to try and piece it together and go up and get. Get them.
- [81:56]
Bobby Belt
I say do.
- [81:57]
Kyle Yeomans
That is so.
- [81:57]
Bobby Belt
Yeah, you're.
- [81:58]
Audience Member
There you go.
- [81:59]
Kyle Yeomans
That's the red flag alert right there.
- [82:01]
Bobby Belt
I, I think, I think that's a move they need to make package those pigs to go up and get him because he is an impact player and he can change your culture as well. Because we also need to change that. We need to work towards changing the culture. That's part of it. Get him. Let him anchor that front seven. And also, are we giving up on Brock Hoffman at right guard?
- [82:27]
Audience Member
Not at all.
- [82:28]
Zach Wolchuk
No.
- [82:28]
Bobby Belt
No.
- [82:28]
Brian Broaddus
Okay.
- [82:29]
Bobby Belt
No, because I. I think that's the man. I think he's ready to step in.
- [82:32]
Fan/Attendee
Could be.
- [82:32]
Bobby Belt
Are the Cowboys giving up on Brock Hoffman?
- [82:34]
Audience Member
No.
- [82:35]
Bobby Belt
No.
- [82:35]
Kyle Yeomans
It's vouch Lombardi.
- [82:36]
Bobby Belt
Would I like to move on from bro. Look, no dis man shots out to man. Brock's done nothing but his job. You know what I'm saying? Shouts out to Brock. I. I just would like more powerful guards, that's all. And I think Brock does a really good job as hat on hat guy, letting guys kind of read or whatever. But I just prefer bodies to move. And I think sometimes I get tired of watching Brock fall on people that's falling down already and him getting up like he knocked him down, you know what I'm saying? To where if you watch like Booker or something from Alabama, Booker moves children from point A to point B, makes them fall, then he falls on them.
- [83:11]
Audience Member
I just hopping to get better.
- [83:13]
Bobby Belt
Hoffman. Hoffman might be as good as he's gonna be right now. I hope he does. You know what I'm saying? But I think. I think Hoffman is as good as a interior offensive line depth piece as you can get. You know, just a guy that could play the guards for you, that could play the center for. I love that form. I love that form. I think he's fantastic. And I think the Cowboys should have leaders that start leaders. That's backups.
- [83:35]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah.
- [83:36]
Bobby Belt
You know what I'm saying? Leaders on teams, they should have all types of leaders. But boy, Tyler Booker at right ought to be a much better leader. Something. Something we don't ever know until Tyron Crawford was a leader. He wasn't crazy. Crazy like that. Sorry, Bill. Something we don't always know until we get into the season and we kind of see how things develop. This is the time of year where we don't know. How does the new coaching staff feel about different guys at different positions? Like I said, there was a few years ago, Joe Philbin loved Terrence Steele, and that was a big leg up for Terence Steele over Brandon Knight at the time. And he ended up being right. There were a lot of people that were critical of it, myself included, and he ended up being getting everything out of it that he could. Coaching change happens and all of a sudden Mike Solari doesn't like Terrence Steele very much. And now they've got somebody else in here who in theory does like him, and that was a big part of the pitch. So I think for Hoffman, it just is going to come down to who's, you know, does he have fans, does he have the sponsor in the building? As Brian's talked about before, that's going to be a big thing for his future. But I also think Brock Hoffman, with everything Schottenheimer talked about, with toughness and culture and different things like that, Hoffman is all of that. And he's a unit player. He's not like a standalone great guard. But if you're talking about can he complete a unit or can he serve a role within a unit with some of the. The toughness and the nastiness. Yeah, they just may feel like they can find that with other players who are better.
- [84:54]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I think you get upgrades.
- [84:56]
Audience Member
Why?
- [84:56]
Zach Wolchuk
Mile amount of West Virginia, I think is an upgrade. Tyler Booker, you've talked about is an upgrade. Donovan Jackson, Ohio State, if you took him in 44, I think that's an upgrade. There's quite a few Memboo. If you were to take him at 12, that's an upgrade right there. You can upgrade over Brock Hoffman, but the agitator that he is, he's a fun player to have on your football team. Thank you very much.
- [85:15]
Audience Member
Thanks for being here.
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Zach Wolchuk
Good to see that.
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Tommy Orish
Thanks. Matthew.
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Zach Wolchuk
How are you, sir?
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Bobby Belt
I'm doing all right. My name is Cash. I just want to say thank you.
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Audience Member
All for putting this together. It's a lot of people out here that really enjoy the draft process and just want to say thank you all putting this together. From 153 the Fan Dallas Cowboys Radio v. Brian I watch out every day.
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Brian Broaddus
Thank you, sir. Appreciate that.
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Bobby Belt
And we are back.
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Audience Member
Okay, so my question is what Stephen has said about the number two receiver needing a explosive number two receiver. And you know, a lot of mocks.
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Bobby Belt
Have tied tit to the Cowboys.
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Audience Member
Just saying we don't know how the board is going to fall when it comes to 12. But just say Ted is there at 12. What are the chances that they pick a receiver not named Ted McMillan at.
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Bobby Belt
12, somebody like a Matthew Gold?
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Zach Wolchuk
That's pretty high.
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Audience Member
Somebody that, you know, brings speed, route running, you know, explosiveness. And then another question I have is what are the chances of Travion Henderson being there at 44? Yes, sir.
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Nick Harris
I'll start with a much easier question. I don't think Henderson's going to be there at 45.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, me either.
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Nick Harris
I think he's a first round guy and if he's not, he's going to be one of those names at the top of the second round because I think there's going to be a run of backs from about 33 to 39ish. I think he's going to be one of the first ones off the board there. If Henderson's there 44, that's the one where I do what CD. What Vouch did with CD Lamp. That would be. That would be the pick of the draft.
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Audience Member
He reminds me of Tony Pollard, but he just can pass protect better.
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Nick Harris
Yeah, yeah, he's. He's a dangerous, dangerous weapon.
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Kyle Yeomans
So why did you want to avoid the Matthew golden and Tetaro and McMillan question?
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Brian Broaddus
I'll take.
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Nick Harris
I just answered the easier one.
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Commercial Voice
Brian has said something last week and.
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Audience Member
He said something about Jerry and Steven. They're going to bring up Mingo. As far as a receiver with size, they will.
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Zach Wolchuk
The big body Dax, the big, the.
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Audience Member
Big body contestant catch.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, absolutely.
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Bobby Belt
When they picked Mozzie Smith, they had a very intense debate in. In the draft room about we found.
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Zach Wolchuk
Out was Bergeron from Syracuse.
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Bobby Belt
They had a very Intense debate in there with Berkshire. I think If golden and McMillan are there, like, you're going to see probably similar type of intense discussion where there are people who I think like McMillan more, there are people who like golden more, and they're two very different types of skill sets for. For the receiver position. I think the Mingo factor is interesting because I think the Mingo. The fact that Mingo didn't get on the field consistently at the end of the season, I think was something that really irritated the Joneses for all the positive things they had to say about the. The relationship with Mike McCarthy at the end. I think that was one source subject where they were wondering why couldn't Jonathan Mingo get on the field after we gave up capital for him? So Mingo, somebody that they are still banking on. And I think when you hear Schottenheimer talk at the. The meetings in Florida that Nick was at, you hear him mention about how, hey, look, a big part of what our job here as coaches is to get the most out of the guys that are already here and to level those guys up. And I think a big name that you think of instantly when you hear him say that is Mingo.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
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Audience Member
I mean, is it. Can we really just judge Mingo because he didn't get the opportunity to play with Dak?
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Commercial Voice
True.
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Kyle Yeomans
It's true.
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Audience Member
He was. He was catching passes from Cooper Rush.
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Bobby Belt
He played his ass off. And if you want to talk in run blocking and some of the things he put on tape quitting him, he. He really gave a lot of effort. Cooper Rush wasn't exactly, I think, a Mingo friendly quarterback, but I. I think that that's somebody that they're not far removed from thinking was a. A second round type of player.
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Zach Wolchuk
Thank you. I appreciate it.
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Audience Member
Appreciate y'.
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Bobby Belt
All.
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Audience Member
Thank you.
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Zach Wolchuk
Thanks for coming. All right, what do we got up, guys? What's up, man?
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Audience Member
How's it going? Waldo here. First of all. First of all, let's give a round of applause for Bosch because he's been playing his outfit.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, he's got planning. The outfit.
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Kyle Yeomans
Outfit.
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Audience Member
I saw him get out in the park. I was like, he's ready.
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Bobby Belt
He's ready to roll.
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Audience Member
He's ready to roll. Let's have fun. Your last name's Jones. I want you to look at your board. It doesn't matter who's linked to Dallas. I want you to pick your favorite guy to pick at 12, regardless of need. Who's your first round guys that you look at? Where's your Donner as a raku if you want to take my green, you can take Josh Simmons. I want you to have fun with it. Your last name is Jones?
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Bobby Belt
Nene.
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Audience Member
Doesn't matter who's your guy?
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Bobby Belt
This is where I really hope that the Joneses were more proactive in signing and trading to go and get guys like, we had a really competent wide receiver two situation and we could just. Okay, we're the Eagles. We got the Eagles roster. We got the best of everything. You just get anything. I'm getting Josh Simmons, man. I just, I, I just think Josh is a guy and I think he's a guy that could be there for us and I think he's a guy that if he was in last year's class with all those top tier tackles, I think he's amongst that group of guys. And you know, nothing against the, the, the, the guys that we have on the roster right now, but if I could get him, I, I really feel like he's a dude that's going to be playing tackle for you for a long time. But I, I think everybody on the panel is probably saying they're running back from, from Boise, but I'll let y' all say.
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Audience Member
Yeah, and I agree with Josh. He's my fourth guy. He's my fourth overall player on the board.
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Kyle Yeomans
So now we talking realistic.
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Tommy Orish
Yeah, I was gonna say not Travis Hunter.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Audience Member
So.
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Kyle Yeomans
And Genty, depending on who you talk to, Genti may not be a realistic one either.
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Fan/Attendee
Yeah.
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Kyle Yeomans
You know, he may be gone at that point as well.
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Audience Member
Oh, there you go.
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Kyle Yeomans
Good job, Zach.
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Bobby Belt
Way to go, Zach.
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Audience Member
We figured it out.
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Nick Harris
If we're not going geny, mine is McMillan.
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Kyle Yeomans
Mine would be McMillan.
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Nick Harris
He's a top five player on my board. I think he's, I think he's Michael Thomas. I think he's going to be that type of talent in the NFL. There's not many all pro players in this class. I don't think that's why there's a limited amount of first round grades. But I think he's certainly one of those players. I think he's going to be that type of thing. Talent in the NFL. Even if you do pair him in a receiving core with CD Lane.
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Audience Member
Do y' all think Emeka Buka is a first round grade for them?
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Nick Harris
For them?
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Bobby Belt
No, I don't think so. I'll say McMillan's the answer. If you want a different answer though, of somebody who. I don't think he's gonna slide, but if some people just have too many questions about. I can't figure out where exactly I want to play him. If you could get down to it, I would love Will Campbell. I really like Will Campbell out of lsu. He's a top five player to me, but I mean, yeah, the guy that I've circled for a while now is Ted McMillan. I mean, you know, Nick brings him up as Michael Thomas. I put in my notes on comp. I put Brandon Marshall like that. To me, is the type. He's a top three player. To me, I love the three guys at the top that I've graded, and that's Hunter, Genty and McMillan. And outside of that, their guys are good or that I like, and there's some separation, but to me, those are the three that I really love.
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Audience Member
Yeah, I'll give you another one, though, in the second round. Yeah, I got you. Got you. This team likes to surprise us in the second round. Last year, none of us had Marshall Nealon going in the second. Not. Not one mock had. Not Marshall Nealon getting there. Who's a pick that wouldn't shock you or would shock you at 44, but it's a realistic shock there, like a Josh Farmer or Jordan Birch from Oregon.
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Kyle Yeomans
Carson Schlesinger from UCLA.
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Zach Wolchuk
Schessinger's a good one.
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Kyle Yeomans
That would be one at 44, where linebacker may not be your number one need available there. You would still take a really good player.
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Bobby Belt
Oh, Andrew Makuba. I'd be befuddled.
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Zach Wolchuk
That'd be a good one. Would be fun. What up, rodeo? Ron, how are you, sir?
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Audience Member
First of all, I think we got someone that's picking up where I left off about two minutes ago.
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Brian Broaddus
Thank you guys for having us here again.
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Audience Member
And thank God Nico ain't our GM, too.
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Brian Broaddus
I got.
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Fan/Attendee
Got to throw that in.
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Audience Member
He would already trade in Micah Parsons.
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Fan/Attendee
For a 2032 pick or something.
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Audience Member
The Eagles. Anyways, my question is, if you took your mock draft that you have your.
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Bobby Belt
Pick at number 12.
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Audience Member
You know, the Cowboys have only had.
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Fan/Attendee
Three number 12 picks in the whole franchise history.
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Audience Member
We won't talk about Danny Noonan, but Jerry Jones had two of those picked. Alvin Harper, Michael Parsons. Okay, the player you have on your.
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Bobby Belt
Mock draft at number 12, could they live up and make an impact on this Dallas Cowboys team like Michael Parson.
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Audience Member
Did a few years ago and like Alvin Harper did in what, 92?
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Bobby Belt
That's tough. See, this class is different, man. This. This class is. Is. Is not as. Not as packed as that class Michael was in where you had Slater up there and all those other guys and J. Mar Chase. So we have to account for inflation with, with, with this class. So McMillan to be a guy that.
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Audience Member
Regardless of position.
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Bobby Belt
Regardless of position. So I think the, the best chance you, you, you have of getting a top tier type player that'll get to as close as Mike as you can get is Ted McMillan. That's, that's as close you're going to get. But all the rest of the guys, receiver or somebody. Oh, the rest of the guy. We didn't lose enough games to, to get Genti and Carter.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah. Because Genti would be that guy. But unfortunately, I think Ted McMillan, realistically at 12, would be the only guy that possibly could live up to those expectations.
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Bobby Belt
You can find Alvin Harper, it's going to be really difficult to find Michael Parsons.
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Zach Wolchuk
Where the have you at? How are you, sir? We got another Texas Longhorn.
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Audience Member
That's right. Carolina.
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Zach Wolchuk
Okay.
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Audience Member
You know, I got to rep most coast. Got to rep the coast over there. Hey, they call me the ethnicity.
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Bobby Belt
What's up? How you doing?
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Audience Member
Went to high school in Broken Arrow. Ba Tigers for life. No Trojans in this house.
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Tommy Orish
All right.
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Audience Member
Just had to get that out there. I'm a little dude, but. And you know, the little dudes kind of get slept on, so I'm all about the sleepers. So I got one sleeper name for you. And then I got a dude that should be talked about a little bit more. I want to know why he's not high on the Cowboys board. First one is Rashawn.
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Tommy Orish
Forgot his name.
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Audience Member
Hold on.
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Bobby Belt
Really?
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Nick Harris
He's a sleeper.
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Audience Member
He is sleeping.
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Brian Broaddus
He's sleeping.
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Audience Member
Rashawn Baker. All right, He's a running back. I'm taking him late round. We can wait. Get a mid round back like Martinez, you know, something like that. And then get this dude, Rashawn Baker. I want your thoughts on this dude. And then why is my man Jade Baron not on the tip of everybody's list for the Cowboys? Why don't we just, just, just go ahead and make it happen. DB's for life.
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Nick Harris
It's a measure. It is.
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Audience Member
I think it's the size.
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Zach Wolchuk
It's the size with Baron measurable with.
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Brian Broaddus
When we're asking about the position specifics that, you know, there's certain parameters that they live in. And some of these organizations, they live with them and they die with them too. You know, if you do watch the tape, you know, I mean, this kid, I think this guy, I think he's Trent McDuffie. I really do. When you talk about Baron, I, I think he's that type of player. But yeah, you live and die with the measurables and that's what. That's what that happens there.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I think they just want to play bigger on the outside. But Baron's a hell of a player. I mean, he lit up getting to go against Jeremiah Smith said, put me on him, give me my shot. It was fun to watch. Thank you for the question.
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Nick Harris
I like your Rashawn Baker pool.
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Brian Broaddus
Thank you.
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Kyle Yeomans
It's from Elon.
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Nick Harris
However, FCS walking on water. Is this guy walking on water in your opinion?
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Zach Wolchuk
In my opinion, I think probably undrafted guy.
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Nick Harris
I will go back and watch the tape just for that. I will.
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Audience Member
He's got heart.
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Kyle Yeomans
He ran a 4, 5 2, so that's. That's something. I mean, that's all I've got on him. We'll figure that out down the line.
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Zach Wolchuk
How's it going? Hey, good. My name is Lawrence.
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Audience Member
I've been a Cowboys fan since 1964. I believe in the lines, the offensive and defensive lines.
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Zach Wolchuk
So if I was drafting in this.
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Audience Member
Draft, I would take Simmons and then.
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Zach Wolchuk
Jackson as my first two picks.
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Audience Member
That should make your running game, receivers and all that.
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Brian Broaddus
Sound like an Ohio State fan is what we sound like. Two really good picks.
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Tommy Orish
More of a Texas fan.
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Audience Member
But anyway, I got kind of a.
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Zach Wolchuk
What would you do question if the Cowboys do take McMillan at 12 and then you get wiped out with your linebackers, your one techs, your cornerbacks, and your.
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Brian Broaddus
Luther Burden was sitting there at 44. Would you take him because he's the best player on the board or would you move on?
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Kyle Yeomans
Am I not allowed to take a running back there at 44?
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Brian Broaddus
All your.
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Audience Member
Your running backs are all gone, your linebacks.
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Brian Broaddus
I would take one.
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Kyle Yeomans
Burden falls. That would be tough to go back to back wide receivers, but it'd be fun.
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Bobby Belt
Why not though?
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Kyle Yeomans
That'd be getting crazy.
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Zach Wolchuk
I mean, I don't think realistically they would do that.
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Nick Harris
Do you want your day two pick, though? I mean, you could get your day two pick right there. Hey, Luther Burton's here.
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Audience Member
Give us a call.
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Bobby Belt
Well, well, let me.
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Nick Harris
188 Luther Burton, 3.
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Bobby Belt
Well, if I did that, if I did that, Brian would, you know, get on to me by when to address my board. You know what I'm saying? Burton is a. Is around one grade for me.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
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Bobby Belt
So I would look at it and go, damn, man, I just took a wide receiver here. It's either my second round linebacker or my first round wide receiver. So, yeah, we look crazy doubling down at wide receiver. Boy, you just got two first round Grader. Wide receivers in this. That. That's fun. That's fun.
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Nick Harris
In essence. In essence. You did just draft three receivers, though, because Mingo's your fourth round pick and.
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Bobby Belt
You just paid Turpin. So we're not gonna run the ball at all.
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Nick Harris
You don't need the running back at that point.
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Bobby Belt
If that's their scenario, I think they're trying to bail.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Bobby Belt
Okay.
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Brian Broaddus
I'll tell you what I would do, though. I don't think you can wipe me out there, because at 44, I take gray Zabel, I take the center. Now, sure about moving guys and stuff.
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Zach Wolchuk
Now you just kick baby over the right guard.
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Brian Broaddus
Just. I would just say, okay, if. If all my guys are gone, give me. Give me who we think the best center is and then go about your business.
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Zach Wolchuk
Or maybe Mason Taylor from lsu, if he's sitting there, the tight end, I.
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Brian Broaddus
Don'T think you can wipe them out.
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Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I don't either. Thank you for the question. Sure.
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Nick Harris
Thank you.
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Bobby Belt
Window, dress your board.
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Zach Wolchuk
How you doing, sir?
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Brian Broaddus
How's it going, guys?
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Audience Member
My name is Gunner, from Oregon. Moved Texas about a year ago. Watch all you guys vouch. Brian. Love you guys. Bobby, Kyle, you know, go down the list. My question for you guys would be kind of two scenarios and how you would feel about them. You get 10 at 12, and then you get to take stabs in the second and third round or move back, get a fourth round pick, and you also get Egbuka. How would you kind of feel about, you know, those two scenarios and what would you like more?
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Bobby Belt
I think you draft to get the best possible dudes you can. The fourth round pick would be cool, but we got a bunch of fives that'll be the same thing as that fourth kind of sort of. So if it's the dude that I like a bunch in tech versus the dude that I like a little bit in a booker, like, I like Abuka. He's a good player. Like, I think Ted is a bona fide guy. I just take the bona fide guy because you draft to get as many of those dudes as you can.
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Audience Member
Now what if you got like a second or third round pick from.
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Bobby Belt
Well, that's different then. What do you mean?
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Brian Broaddus
Now he's trying to draw you in the fight.
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Bobby Belt
I get my line back in my guard then. Yeah, but, but, but that's. But that's more realistic, though, because I don't like the. All right, guys, we're going to trade back. Just to trade back, right? So now we got to ask. Okay. McMillan's on the board. Seattle wants. Do you give up McMillan for their second and third, or do you take McMillan? I think that's a tough question. I think it's tough. I think I would take the second and third, but a part of me would love to have that dude, you know, jumping over people on my team. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's. It's tough.
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Tommy Orish
I think McMillan changes this offense entirely just because they need a vertical threat. And you could. They could say Jonathan Mingo. We just don't know yet. That's the thing with Jonathan Mingo is we don't know yet because we haven't seen enough of them. McMillan, you're not going to find many guys with his catch radius or his athletic ability. We've talked about his volleyball background and just some of the things that he's able to do in terms of body control in the air. It's exactly what Dallas is looking for. And so when you've got a player like that available, not that a Mecca Ibuka or Carson Swesinger or anybody that you'd pick up with the second or third round picks wouldn't help, but if that's your best player up there and he's a top five player on a lot of people's boards, us included, then you go get them.
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Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
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Zach Wolchuk
Not passing on Ted. I think you run that card in.
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Audience Member
Yeah.
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Tommy Orish
Six.
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Zach Wolchuk
Best player on my board. No, get him at 12. I'm taking him there. Thank you very much.
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Audience Member
Absolutely. Thanks, guys.
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Zach Wolchuk
Okay, if you're not already in line, this is probably it. We're not going to be able to take any more questions. You're already getting pressed on time, so let's go a little fuego, rapido style here. How are you doing, sir?
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Bobby Belt
I'm pretty good. My name is dj. Big fan of you guys. Thank you. I got a question about Rashad Smith, running back from smu.
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Audience Member
Yeah.
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Bobby Belt
And DJ Giddens, who I feel like is the sleeper running back from Kansas State. Where do you guys think they fall in the draft? And if we are wiped out at backs from the first and second round, is it enough talent to double dip third round and then later rounds for a back two backs, should I say?
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Audience Member
That's my question.
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Nick Harris
Yeah, I think if you're looking at Smith and Giddens, I think they're both in that third, fourth range. Smith is fascinating, man, with what he brought from his days as a receiver at Miami and carrying that backfield role at SMU and excelling with it, it was, it was really special to see. But I, I have both those guys in the third, fourth range. I think that's probably where they end up. I'm a little bit lower on Giddens than, than most, but I understand the appeal with Giddens. He's a long, slender frame and it doesn't really come with contact balance, in my opinion, but I, I understand the, the appeal on Giddens.
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Audience Member
I guess you could say I've got.
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Tommy Orish
Giddens and Smith touching tags in the fourth round. Gideon's above Smith for me. But you, you, you could really sell me either way, I think on either of those two guys. And as far as double dipping with maybe a third and the seventh, I wouldn't hate it. I just don't know if they would do it considering they've already got Deuce Vaughn, Javante Williams and Miles Sanders already on the roster. But with how deep this running running back class is, there are guys, you know, that I've got in the seventh, like Jaquinden Jackson from Arkansas or, you know, Ulysses Bentley from Ole Miss. That could make a lot of sense there.
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Kyle Yeomans
I think if you're going to double dip at running back and I would even throw wide receiver into this category because you do have names on your roster that you have either invested in or have at least seen develop over these last couple of years. If you're going to double dip, it would have to be probably a premium pick. So one of those top three picks and then early day three in order to really make the value there and put some players on your roster that can contend with those guys. We've mentioned Turpin and him getting paid and the investment made in Mingo running backs, the same kind of thing. I mean, Deuce Vaughn's not guaranteed a roster spot at the end of the day. Get somebody to come in and challenge him. And if you have a number one running back up at the top, he may be the odd man out in that regard.
- [105:30]
Brian Broaddus
There's two backs that catch the ball really well in this draft. Laquint. Now Allen from Syracuse is another one. Smith and Allen would be too, if that's what the type of guy you're looking for.
- [105:39]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I've got a both of the fourth as well, and you mentioned it, the former receiver there for Rashard Smith.
- [105:45]
Kyle Yeomans
It's interesting.
- [105:46]
Zach Wolchuk
It is. That's fun. But I don't, I wouldn't double dip there. I'd probably just take my guy and maybe undrafted free agency. There's going to be some good ones There.
- [105:52]
Audience Member
How are you doing? Well, my name is Alex, just a big fan of all you guys. Watch Brian.
- [105:58]
Brian Broaddus
Thank you.
- [106:00]
Audience Member
I guess my question is, is, is this team a draft away from being able to compete? Like, I guess I'll just like paint a scenario like, you know, first two days, like if they draft Matthew golden in round one, they go like a Ravel falls to him at 44 and then you go, you know, you take.
- [106:24]
Kyle Yeomans
A pick of a running back, a.
- [106:25]
Audience Member
Tune who's a 30 day visit or like a RJ Harvey type of guy. Like, you know, is this team, you know, in a position to put themselves to where they're, you know, you got weapons on offense, you know, you might get some guys back on defense. Demo Diggs, right throughout the season, is this team, you know, really a draft away from being able to put themselves back into the division?
- [106:45]
Nick Harris
And ultimately, I think yes, I think yes. If you hit on these picks on the first two days, I think so. Let's look at it from last year, right? The depth issues that you ran into with all the injuries that happened last year. You look at that Bengals game, you look at the Washington game, how those came down to one play. I mean, that team was two plays away from being 9, 8 with Cooper Rush at quarterback, which is crazy to think about. This team is not as far away as I think people think. You look at all the all pros on the roster, if they could just stay healthy. You add three impact players in the first three rounds. If you hit on those first three guys, like you're saying, I think you're closer than some might realize.
- [107:21]
Kyle Yeomans
Well, we've had this conversation on the draft show once or twice about the 1 through 10 conversation. Dallas and this coaching staff feels like 1 through 10, this team is as competitive as any other team in the NFL. Now 11 through 53 is where things kind of get muddied and where you, you need to add some guys. And I think more specifically it's the 11 through 30. It's that second tier of guys that if you're going to have some injuries, you need guys to step up into roles. It's going to need. You need somebody else to be there. If Dallas can find three guys to, to be even in the 11 through 30. I think this is a completely different conversation.
- [107:57]
Bobby Belt
If you, if you hit 12 and Guyton and Neyland step up big.
- [108:01]
Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
- [108:02]
Bobby Belt
Similar to what happened in 21, where you hit Parsons and then Lamb and Diggs stepped up then. Yes, but they need that.
- [108:08]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I'm with you. I Think you saw one of these with the Saints back in maybe it was 2017. They hit on Ryan Ramschick and then it was Marcus Williams, the safety Alvin Camara, and they were one of the best teams in the NFC. They were 500 team basically prior to that. So if you're able to get three legit starters and also you get growth from some of your guys internally, this team can definitely improve.
- [108:26]
Brian Broaddus
Philadelphia turned their defense around with the draft picks, both corners.
- [108:29]
Kyle Yeomans
Yes, it did.
- [108:30]
Zach Wolchuk
How are you?
- [108:31]
Bobby Belt
Pretty good, man. Jamari Woods, UNT grad.
- [108:34]
Zach Wolchuk
Let's go.
- [108:36]
Bobby Belt
I'm a big family guy and so I wanted the Cowboys to draft my cousin rick Woolen in 2022, but we ended up with the Ron Bland. So I ain't mad at it. But one quick question, since I'm a family guy. How do you guys feel about pairing Azaria Thomas with his brother Wanye? You know, bringing that secondary together, adding a little juice because your family is real tight for them.
- [108:56]
Kyle Yeomans
Sure.
- [108:57]
Bobby Belt
So I wonder what you guys think about that second round corner. Great size, good length, can run. You know, he doesn't have all the technical corner things down already, but the Cowboys love that because they'll take all those traits and they'll boost all that up and coach him. I think he'll be good to go in the long run, play outside and inside.
- [109:15]
Brian Broaddus
Sure. Yeah. This guy's got really good body control and balance too. And it's 62197. I mean, quarterbacks don't have a lot of success throwing the ball to him. Super competitive. The length, all those things are positive. The way he moves. Sometimes you worry about a guy that tall being really leggy and the way he turns. Not this kid at all. He's a really good player in that way.
- [109:36]
Nick Harris
Yeah. Despite that size, typically with him being leggy.
- [109:39]
Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
- [109:39]
Nick Harris
I have him as one of the best man corners in this draft and I still see him as scheme, versatile.
- [109:45]
Bobby Belt
Scheme as well off the field. The Cowboys love him. They think he's one of the highest character type of players in this draft. So they're big fans of the football character to Monday through Saturday with him.
- [109:55]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah. Won the Bobby Bound leadership award. The dude's a high character guy and the tapes matches it. I mean, he's awesome. I had 44, wouldn't mind that pick at all for sure. Thank you.
- [110:04]
Nick Harris
We should get a Bobby Leadership Award.
- [110:06]
Zach Wolchuk
Bobby Bell.
- [110:06]
Kyle Yeomans
Well, Bobby, I don't know what that.
- [110:08]
Bobby Belt
Criteria would look like.
- [110:12]
Audience Member
Hey, guys. Jason Elliott. I'm a UNT RTVF alum.
- [110:16]
Tommy Orish
Let's go.
- [110:17]
Fan/Attendee
Yeah.
- [110:18]
Audience Member
Voiceover artist thank you, rip Professor Mercer, really enjoy all on the draft show Bobby on and Zach on the fan. Brian on the fan. Really respect Yalls knowledge and really enjoy hearing you talk Cowboys football and draft. Thank you, Tommy and Zach for preaching my gospel on Tet. This offense needs that. This offense needs explosion. It needs domination and that's what Tet will bring. He's Dak Friendly. Dak isn't a consistent, accurate quarterback. So you need a receiver that has a large catch radius like Tet does. And he's a possession receiver, dominant possession receiver. We need that as well. My question is, and this is probably more so for Brian and Bobby just because y' all are connected with scouting so much. I've been watching the draft since 1989 and I've always wondered this, what happens with, in the scouting world when, say, a scout who has a high grade on so many players, but then when.
- [111:26]
Brian Broaddus
Research is done, those players don't really.
- [111:29]
Audience Member
Perform well and then vice versa. What happens to scouts who, you know, who do grade players high and they do pan out and they do match the grades, like consistently. Is there, are there rewards? Is there like a, is there a competition amongst scouts? It's like, hey, you know, I hit on this many guys and you hit on this many and things like that.
- [111:50]
Brian Broaddus
Yeah, if you don't hit enough, you do media. But yeah, it's always. No, you do, you do go through it. You do deep dives under and you do deep dives. Sometimes you have scouts that are responsible for certain positions. Tom Siskowski, he used to be a scout with the Cowboys.
- [112:10]
Audience Member
Right.
- [112:10]
Brian Broaddus
Who found Larry Allen, you know, Sonoma State and all that, and really pushed hard for him. Tom was the offensive line guy. And so as you're going through that, if you're hitting on those guys, hitting on those guys, that's, you know, you acknowledge that if guys that have a high hit rate you, when they say something, you listen. Maybe a guy that doesn't have, you say, okay, thank you. Is there anything else we got to do here? You know, that's. You really do a good, A good director will know which scouts can really are really good at certain positions and if they bring up another position that maybe you say, maybe not there, but you're always evaluating your guys.
- [112:49]
Bobby Belt
Yeah. And I think a lot of times the results just for your own team matter. So, like, I've talked to scouts about this before where it's an issue of you may have had a really high grade on somebody who hit in a Big way. Like for instance, let's say somebody with the Saints had said, daron Bland's a second round player to me. And then they didn't pick Drum. The Saints are not going to remember four years from now, apparently, that you liked to Ron Bland. They're not going to really factor that in. It's just about what did you do for us? And so, yeah, I think a lot of times it's just who did your team pick and did your, you know, projection for them pan out less so than what did you have to say about your entire class that year? And how did they play out for us or for other teams?
- [113:27]
Zach Wolchuk
Great question. Thank you.
- [113:28]
Audience Member
No problem.
- [113:28]
Bobby Belt
Thanks, guys.
- [113:29]
Nick Harris
Thank you.
- [113:30]
Zach Wolchuk
How are you, sir?
- [113:31]
Brian Broaddus
Pretty good, Sean.
- [113:32]
Kyle Yeomans
Fellow UNT alum Sean, Three in a row coming.
- [113:35]
Brian Broaddus
Green drove up from Port Lavaca again today.
- [113:38]
Audience Member
So appreciate God for the NSC app and help move down there easier. My question is, is we kind of.
- [113:43]
Brian Broaddus
Have five positions needing a start of this year. What is the one position you guys have to take away by the end of day two? I know y' all talked about D tackle pushing to the fifth. Running back pushing to the fifth kind of name. You're. You're going to die on this hill by the end of day two, guys.
- [113:57]
Nick Harris
Corner.
- [113:58]
Audience Member
Yeah. You need a corner.
- [113:59]
Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
- [114:00]
Kyle Yeomans
Somebody that's going to rotate in because you don't know the health of Trayvon Diggs at the start of the season. We saw the rotating door in terms of injuries. You got to get some depth there.
- [114:08]
Bobby Belt
I'll say run a bit. Yeah. I'll be different. I'll say they need a wide receiver, too. To me, that they cannot survive based on the weapons they currently have.
- [114:16]
Zach Wolchuk
Yeah, I go wide receiver as well there.
- [114:18]
Audience Member
Bobby.
- [114:21]
Zach Wolchuk
What's up?
- [114:22]
Audience Member
How's it going, guys? I'm Colby. What's going on, man? I watch all you guys, but I'm one of Vatch's guys, man. Love you to pieces.
- [114:33]
Brian Broaddus
But.
- [114:35]
Audience Member
But, yeah, man, I wanted to. I know that there's lots of Longhorn fans here. Don't kill me. I wanted them boys out of Texas A M. Yeah.
- [114:44]
Zach Wolchuk
A lot of Aggies.
- [114:45]
Kyle Yeomans
There's a couple of them.
- [114:46]
Bobby Belt
Okay.
- [114:47]
Audience Member
We will represent a little bit, but I know that we. We've had lots of talk about those guys out of Texas that we all love. There's lots of guys we love. I know that maybe the Texas A and M guys aren't players for the Cowboys specifically, but I wanted to ask Bobby about what people are saying about Walter Nolan's mentality and what Kind of general thoughts are on that versus his on field talent versus off field. Because I'll let you answer first.
- [115:17]
Bobby Belt
Yeah, no, I think that Nolan definitely there were questions about his departure from A and M when he went to Ole Miss, from people I've talked to around the league who have dealt with Nolan. They all seem to feel generally comfortable with him and where he's at at this stage. But yeah, I think with A and M there was, there was considered a lot over the last couple years, just a lot of weird fits for them and a lot of weird culture fits and things that didn't work out so great. I mean you had, gosh, what's the name of the kid who transferred to Oregon? The receiver? Evan Stewart was one who just was not a fit at A and M. And it was a lot of headbutting and he went to Oregon and things have been better. I think there's still questions there, but things have been better. And so I think Nolan was a needed a fresh start kind of guy. And I think a lot of NFL teams are, including Dallas, I think satisfied for the most part about where he's at and how that time ended.
- [116:13]
Audience Member
I'll tell you, I'll ask because I worked there, like in the building with those players in the locker room every day for a year and a half. I will say I don't know how he is after spending a year at Ole Miss, but I will say that he was a guy who showed up 20, 25 minutes to practice every day, was a guy who attitude was not, not great comparatively to the rest of the team. Like walked around with a blanket everywhere, shuffled his feet, walked around. So that like completely turns me off. And then to him personally and thing is, people change. Maybe he just hated it there in the environment. I don't, I didn't see it, but. And then I will say that every single thing that people say about Shemar Stewart is true, if not more as far as his athleticism. You see that guy in person and you go like, holy shit, guys built like a Greek God. Good Lord. So, and then. But he's not going to be a leadership guy. He's very quiet, reserved, keeps to himself. So that's one thing to know about him. And then Nick Scorton, leadership guy, production guy. I know people don't not as high on him, but that's just some general insight from inside the building.
- [117:25]
Bobby Belt
Yeah, I think a lot of people think A and M had a culture problem in general because I think they, I think they felt like over the last Few years, you look at Bobby Brown, demarvin Liao, some of the other guys who were considered issues at A and M that they got things ironed out. I think a lot of people felt like A and M, that program had.
- [117:39]
Audience Member
Some issues under Jimbo Fisher for sure. I think Mike Elko is turning it around, though.
- [117:42]
Nick Harris
Yes.
- [117:42]
Kyle Yeomans
Thank you.
- [117:43]
Zach Wolchuk
All right. Take us home, man. How are you?
- [117:45]
Brian Broaddus
Pretty good. My name is Steve. Steve from.
- [117:48]
Audience Member
Steve.
- [117:49]
Tommy Orish
I met Bobby Bell at the Fire Station tour in desoto.
- [117:54]
Audience Member
Yep. And my question was that all the.
- [117:57]
Brian Broaddus
Drafts are showing that Astro Genti might be going to the Bears at 10. What do we have to give up to the junk? The Bears at nine with Saints. Yeah. And if they do jump at nine and get Gente, would Xavier Restrepo or Arian Smith be a good at 44 in order the.
- [118:26]
Kyle Yeomans
The point differential there? Looking at the chart, it's a 150 points to get to 9, 150 points up. So it really is only going to take your third round pick.
- [118:34]
Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
- [118:35]
Kyle Yeomans
You'll give up 76. But if Genti's there and you walk away with Genty, I think I would sign up for that.
- [118:41]
Brian Broaddus
Yeah.
- [118:42]
Bobby Belt
I love Genty and I think a lot of people there with a Cowboys love Genti. I think they internally have.
- [118:47]
Tommy Orish
Because I think Chicago Bears should probably be taking them.
- [118:50]
Zach Wolchuk
Oh, they'd be taking them. I don't think I even make it that far.
- [118:52]
Kyle Yeomans
But I would be shocked if he makes it.
- [118:54]
Bobby Belt
I think.
- [118:54]
Audience Member
I don't think.
- [118:55]
Bobby Belt
Yeah, I think he's five or six at this point. Honestly. I think that Dallas is working enough internally on just the question of why does he break enough of our rules to take him at 12 that I think it'd be a whole other conversation. Why should we go up and trade for him? Especially we don't have a fourth round pick.
- [119:11]
Nick Harris
Yeah.
- [119:11]
Bobby Belt
And so I'd have a really hard.
- [119:12]
Audience Member
Time seeing them doing that or having.
- [119:15]
Brian Broaddus
A Restrepo or area in the later rounds. Go ahead. Double dip on wide receivers.
- [119:21]
Nick Harris
I think either of those guys would be available to you on day three.
- [119:23]
Brian Broaddus
On day three.
- [119:24]
Nick Harris
Yeah.
- [119:24]
Zach Wolchuk
44 would be a little high for me. Thank you very much. All right, it is time to go ahead and bring the CD helmet and dak jersey out. Now, Broadus, you're going to draw the winner for these.
- [119:34]
Fan/Attendee
Okay.
- [119:35]
Zach Wolchuk
So we're going to have Brian draw the winner, which I guess we've got this right over here.
- [119:39]
Kyle Yeomans
So please take your complaints to Brian Brod. Yeah, this is gonna be all brian.com.
- [119:43]
Brian Broaddus
It'S nothing new.
- [119:44]
Bobby Belt
Give me the. Give me that Dak jersey, Brian. Yeah, I want the daggers.
- [119:49]
Brian Broaddus
All right.
- [119:51]
Kyle Yeomans
Do we got to give a drum roll here for Brian? Sounded like a airplane.
- [120:01]
Bobby Belt
That's right, dog. That's right.
- [120:02]
Brian Broaddus
Right?
- [120:04]
Audience Member
Yeah.
- [120:04]
Zach Wolchuk
Let's go. Dak first and CD second.
- [120:06]
Brian Broaddus
All right, here's the number for the Dak jersey.
- [120:11]
Audience Member
All right.
- [120:12]
Brian Broaddus
It's going to be 23.
- [120:14]
Zach Wolchuk
23. Congratulations. And here is for the CD.
- [120:28]
Brian Broaddus
We got helmet.
- [120:30]
Kyle Yeomans
Yeah, it looks like we got a CD helmet.
- [120:32]
Zach Wolchuk
It's signed. It better be.
- [120:33]
Kyle Yeomans
88.
- [120:35]
Brian Broaddus
2.
- [120:36]
Bobby Belt
2.
- [120:40]
Kyle Yeomans
Good stuff.
- [120:44]
Nick Harris
He got the first question and the CD helmet. What a. What a night. What a night.
- [120:47]
Kyle Yeomans
Because he's from Waco, good things happen from the 254.
- [120:52]
Audience Member
Congratulations.
- [120:54]
Zach Wolchuk
Absolutely. Well, thank you so much, everybody, for coming out here. This has been awesome, and the passion certainly did not go unnoticed. Great questions as well. Thank you to Whataburger. We appreciate all of you, and hopefully you continue to come out to draft 101. This has been an awesome event. Thank you so much. Hugs and hand pounds, everybody. Let's kick this draft's ass.
- [121:13]
Tommy Orish
Thank you, everybody.
- [121:14]
Kyle Yeomans
Thanks, everybody.
- [121:15]
Nick Harris
Thank you.
- [121:16]
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