Draft Show: 1-13-26

Summary

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The Draft Show: 1-13-26

Dallas Cowboys Draft Show
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Voch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish
Date: January 13, 2026

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Overview:

With exactly 100 days until the 2025 NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, the Draft Show crew dives into early analysis of the Cowboys’ first-round positioning, options for trading, and the dynamics of the coming class. The focus is draft philosophy, positional needs (especially on defense), and identifying high-potential targets. The hosts take a practical look at both best-player-available and need-based approaches, while contextualizing the fluidity of the draft board and the strengths and weaknesses of this year’s prospects.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Draft Season Is Officially Here

• The offseason has started and the crew is gearing up for upcoming scouting events (e.g., Senior Bowl, Combine) ([01:35]).
• Excitement about travel and preparation, with some playful banter about attending events like the Combine and local food favorites in Indianapolis ([02:29]).

2. Cowboys’ Draft Capital – A Franchise Opportunity

Cowboys Picks: 12th & 20th overall

• Thanks to the Bears defeating the Packers, Dallas holds the 20th pick (from Chicago), in addition to their own at 12th ([04:18]).
• Nick Harris: "Now the Cowboys select at pick 20 in the upcoming NFL Draft, which is way better than the alternative..." ([03:18])
• The uniqueness: Only the 6th time in franchise history with two first-round picks. Past results: defined by cornerstone picks like DeMarcus Ware and Randy White ([06:48]).

3. Stay Put or Trade Back? The Big Strategic Debate

• Nick Harris: Advocates for at least exploring trade-down possibilities, especially if a quarterback-needy team is interested ([05:48], [10:07]).
• Voch Lombardi: Strongly prefers to keep both picks and take "the two best possible dudes," emphasizing not to "get too cute" ([05:28], [07:40]).
  • “I don’t want to trade back at all, man... I want the best, best, best guys. And I think you’ve earned 12th overall.” ([05:28])
• Tommy: Highlights franchise history—when the Cowboys have had two 1sts, they've nailed difference-makers ([06:48]).
• General Agreement: Unless the board falls in a way in which no true first-round grades remain, 12 should not be traded back ([09:52]).

4. Evaluating Draft Class Strength

• This year has fewer "first-round grades" than usual (only 13-15 by consensus, compared to 18-22 most years). Trading back risks missing on a true round-one talent ([09:52]).
• At pick 20, more openness to moving back for value—especially since a first-round grade is less likely at that spot.

5. Player Tiers & Positional Expectations

• Highest graded prospects in range for Dallas: likely corners, receivers, one OT, and one RB ([16:29]).
• Debate about "need vs. best-player":
  • If the board’s top player at 12 is an offensive player and Dallas feels defense is a greater need, is it "window-dressing" to pass up BPA for need or to trade back? ([13:24])
  • "If nobody picks up the phone, I’m picking my dude... If it’s a wide receiver, Carnell Tate... my running back... or if it’s an offensive lineman... I have to be ready to take all those dudes." – Voch ([14:17])

6. Key Prospects & Fit Discussions

• Caleb Downs (Safety/DB, Ohio State):
  • Unanimous top choice if available at 12.
  • "If Caleb Downs is there at 12... I’m sprinting to the card." – Nick ([07:53])
  • Considered for nickel role due to his versatility: "You can play him anywhere in the secondary." ([24:26])
• Ruben Bane, David Bailey (Edge): Both seen as top options if available at 12 ([05:48], [06:00]).
• Corners:
  • Avion Terrell (Clemson): Overall consensus he's more of a 2nd-round, nickel/zone corner—solid but small, with ball skills ([17:48] to [20:31]).
  • Brandon C. Say (South Carolina): Liked for size and athleticism; possible mid-late 1st-round fit ([16:50]).
• Running Back/WR:
  • Jeremiah Love (RB, Notre Dame), Carnell Tate (WR, Ohio State): If highest on their board, aren’t afraid to take offensive talent at 12 despite fans’ defensive focus ([12:06]).
• Other Defensive Prospects:
  • Sonny Styles (LB, Ohio State); C.J. Allen (LB, Georgia) discussed as 1st-round targets ([15:16]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Voch Lombardi [05:28]:
  "I don’t want to trade back at all, man... I want the best, best, best guys. And I think you’ve earned 12th overall. Jerry says it all the time – hey man, we lost, we earned this spot."

• Nick Harris [07:53]:
  "If Caleb Downs is there at 12... I’m sprinting to the card."

• Kyle Yeomans [09:52]:
  "This is a draft that... the more I see, only 13-15 first-round grades... If you are trading out of that 12th overall pick, you are trading away from an opportunity to grab a first round graded player."

• Tommy Yarish [06:48]:
  "This is the sixth time in franchise history the Cowboys have had two first round picks. In two of those instances, they've drafted a Hall of Fame player."

• Nick Harris [24:26]:
  "You can play [Caleb Downs] anywhere in the secondary... First year, put this guy at the nickel spot, he's going to affect the backfield. He's going to give you physical coverage inside."

• Voch [25:03] on position labels and draft value:
  "One of the things that could help them suck at drafting is the fact that they label him as a safety, and the safety position is not valued enough to go top 11 in the draft. However, if they start labeling him as a corner or a possible flex guy, does that increase his value?"

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7. Edge Rusher Class Depth (Fan Q&A – "Twitter on the 20")

• Deep class with both high-floor and high-upside players:
  • Bane (Miami), Bailey (Texas Tech), Cash High (A&M), Akeem Mezador (Miami), Mello Height (Texas Tech), R. Mason Thomas (Oklahoma), Danny Dennis Sutton (Penn State – could sneak into Rd 1) ([31:27]–[34:47]).
  • High-ceiling, versatile, and some productive undersized options.
• Consensus: Class is deep, meaning day 3 could even yield contributors, but in-person scouting will be key, especially for lower-round swings ([35:02]).

8. Who Should Dallas Avoid?

• Keldrick Falk (Edge, Auburn): Identified by all hosts as a guy with a 2nd-round grade that could be "overdrafted" at 12 or 20—big but lacks the pass rush to justify top billing ([39:54]).
  • "If he's around at 12 or 20, I would hope the Cowboys don't even look his direction." – Voch ([40:51])

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9. Quarterback Class Overview

• Not a strong top-end year at QB (not like 2024).
  • Fernando Mendoza "locks" to go #1.
  • Ty Simpson (Alabama), Dante Moore (Oregon), Trinidad Chambliss (Ole Miss), Carson Beck (Miami), Garrett Nussmeier (LSU), and others are interesting, but not sure-fire top 10s ([50:04]–[54:50]).
• Quarterback-needy teams in front of Dallas: Las Vegas, NYG, Arizona, Miami, Cleveland, maybe New Orleans; could push a few QBs into the top 11, but probably not a full run ([56:12]–[59:08]).
• Likely 2-3 QBs in top 12, but "two and a possible" is the group consensus ([59:05]–[59:21]).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 100 days to draft, Dallas’s pick situation: [01:35] – [05:28]
• Trade up/trade down strategy: [05:28] – [11:41]
• Positional/Player debates (CB/RB/WR): [12:06] – [16:50]
• Cornerback breakdown (Terrell, Say, nickel role): [17:45] – [24:52]
• Safety/DB role of Caleb Downs: [24:01] – [26:05]
• Edge depth rundown ("Twitter on the 20"): [31:27] – [34:47]
• “Who to avoid” (Keldrick Falk): [39:54] – [41:54]
• QB class dissection: [50:04] – [59:21]

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

• Conversational and humorous, but grounded in practical football analysis.
• The crew loves an aggressive approach with two firsts—take the blue-chip talents, don't get cute trying to trade down unless the board demands it.
• Defense (especially edge/DB) is front-of-mind due to talent available and Cowboys’ team needs, but all keep an open mind for BPA at any position if the board says so.
• Key watch: Combine/senior bowl will matter tremendously in shaping “day three” and “borderline” prospect evaluations.

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Summary:

This episode sets the stage for a lively draft season, balancing positional need with best player available, and emphasizing how Dallas’s rare two-first-rounder status creates real franchise-building potential. Fans and analysts alike should track strategy around the 12th and 20th picks closely—and stay open to both BPA and selective, measured trades, especially in a class with a tight group of consensus first-rounders. The debates, banter, and clear breakdowns make this essential listening for any Cowboys (or draft) fan.

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Transcript

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Now, your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris.

[A]

Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish and Kyle Yeomans. Today is Tuesday, January 13th, and you want to see. You want to hear something that stressed me out whenever I put the rundown together today? We are 100 days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome into the Draft show presented by Miller Light with Fotch Lombardi, Nick Harris. We've got Tommy Yarsh with Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. 100 days away. Boy, did that happen quick.

[C]

Yeah, here we are, man. Let's get it. Let's get it. It is officially draft season. We, the first week of the off season always feels like, ah, it still feels like football season. We got wild card weekend then. You know at least how this franchise has conformed me to think over the last couple of years. Once you get into divisional week, you're like, man, it is draft season. It is. We're officially here.

[A]

Yeah. And we're two weeks away from the Senior bowl, which will be out at the Senior Bowl. We'll have plenty of interviews with players and coaches and front office personnel from out there in Mobile, Alabama. We're booking our combine travel very soon. So that'll be really fun.

[D]

Cowboys travel agent, Kyle Yeoman.

[A]

I'm trying my best, man. I'm trying to pull everybody together because everybody's still super, like, distracted with the playoffs and with the super bowl coming up and with all this other random stuff, I'm like, guys, can we just focus on the combine? Can we just get to Indianapolis again? I'm excited about it.

[D]

Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun.

[A]

Tommy's going to be out there trying to get Vodch to come out.

[B]

I ain't going to that, man. Look, I'll, I'll work here. I'll do a little something at the crib, man. I go out there and travel with y', all, man. But, but when y' all get back, dude.

[A]

Once you have a St. Elmo's shrimp cocktail, it'll change your opinion on Indianapolis real quick.

[D]

It changes your whole life.

[B]

You can't sway me with pleasantries, Kyle.

[A]

It's a pleasantry.

[D]

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[A]

So you reup it.

[D]

That was something.

[C]

Yeah, there's a. There's a southern soul food spot in Indianapolis which I know doesn't sound great on the surface, but I took Tommy there last year.

[D]

Unbelievable.

[C]

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[A]

Okay.

[C]

Country Kitchen. Happened three times last year.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah, it did.

[D]

And it should have been four.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Shout out to Nicole Hutchinson. She. She recommended it to me a couple years ago. We went and it was incredible.

[B]

Fire.

[A]

Part of how Nick outlined so eloquently a moment ago that it is draft season now it's now we know who the Cowboys or where the Cowboys are going to be picking in the first round. We knew it was already the 12th overall pick. That's the Cowboy selection that was locked in place at the end of the regular season. But thank you, Chicago Bears, who come from behind and defeat the Green Bay packers in the wild card round to get the job done, taking down the Packers. Thank you, Caleb Williams. Thank you, Ben Johnson. Thank you everybody. Bear down because now the Cowboys select at pick two 20 in the upcoming NFL Draft, which is way better than the alternative because if the packers win that game, the best they could pick Nick, I believe, was what, 25? Correct at that point. So the Bears do you a huge favor and now you pick at 12, you pick at 20. And Nick, I know we were having some off air conversations this week. This is a big win for Dallas overall, not necessarily because of just the draft capital that's there, but the draft capital that could possibly move around a little bit.

[C]

Yeah, and The packers were 9, 3 and 1 at one point and they lose their last five and the Cowboys end up with his 20th pick. But yeah, what we were talking about is, I know we've had a lot of conversations about, hey, you know that pick in the 20s, you know, do you trade that one back and. And pick up some draft capital on day two? That is certainly an option. And now that you are pick 20, you have even more value there to even stay in the first round and pick up a second round pick or a third round pick, depending on how it shakes out. But who's to say you don't trade back from 12, you know, who, what if there's an opportunity? You're sitting there at 12 and you know you got Jordan Tyson still on the board or maybe one of the, maybe Ty Simpson has an awesome draft and one of these quarterback needy teams want to jump up and grab a guy like that. And there's still quite a bit of defensive guys on the board. And you're sitting there and you're like, okay, hey Tampa Bay, you know you want this receiver. Hey, Indianapolis, or excuse me, Jets. You want, you want this, you want this receiver. We'll trade back to 16 and you know, you give us a second round pick or give us a third round pick if you're sitting there in the Cowboys war room. So I, I am fascinated to see, you know, what these trade back conversations end up looking like between now and 100 days from now. Because I think it's going to be, you know, as much centered around 12 as it should be around 20.

[B]

I don't want to trade back at all, man.

[A]

I just stay put.

[B]

I want to get the, the, the two best possible dudes I can find. You know, I think, I think, you know, you don't want to get too cute. And so, so let's say this, there's a short list of names at 12 that I'm not moving from. I don't even think those, those guys.

[A]

Even be there, right you names like that. What are some of the names?

[B]

Oh, sir, we're talking about the safety, Caleb Downs. He probably won't be there, but you never know from where. From Ohio State team suck at drafting. Let me just say that first. So Ruben Bane, I think could fall to you some team be like, oh, well, his arms are short.

[A]

I'm not moving away from Miami.

[B]

Pass rush from Miami. David Bailey pass rush to Texas Tech. I don't think if those guys are there, I'm not moving away from those guys. And I think because of how teams typically kind of act, you know, there's a possibility that those guys could be there. Either one of the corners, I'll take them. I'm not moving away from those guys because just looking at my cowboy defense, how it currently is, I want the best handful of dudes I can get. I don't want just a whole bunch of complimentary, you're cool guys. I want the best, best, best guys. And I think you've earned 12th overall. Jerry says it all the time. Hey man, we lost. We earned this spot. And Green Bay helped you earn 20, you know what I'm saying? So we would have been mad if Green Bay would have won and you picked 25 overall, right? I don't want to trade back and end up drafted at 25 anyway. I want to take advantage of 20 and I definitely want to take advantage of 12, but that's just me.

[D]

So to back his point, if that's the route that you want to go, just a historical look at this. This is the sixth time in franchise history the Cowboys have had two first round picks. In two of those instances, they've drafted a Hall of Fame player. With that first pick, it was DeMarcus Ware. In 2005, they picked Marcus Spears next and then Randy White. In 1975 they picked Thomas Henderson next. They've also picked Ed two tall Jones, Russell, Maryland, Alvin Harper, Kevin Smith with some of those first round picks. So that goes to show you that yeah, you can find really two really good players that can completely change your landscape of your defense. I mean, if you get a DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears. I don't know if there are those kind caliber players in this draft class based on what I've watched so far, but if you get two difference makers for your defense in that first round, I think you can come out of there pretty happy with a couple of pieces to build around depending on what you did in free agency to kind of build off of that.

[B]

And how sick would you be if you, oh, we'll trade back from D. Weir and get Sean Merriman or something, you know what I mean? Look, no disrespect to Sean, Sean Mary, man, Sean Mary had a cool little career man, but you passed on D Wear, you know what I mean? So I want to get the best possible guys I can give.

[C]

I agree 100% with you, but if your guy. 100%, 100%, I do, I do agree with you 100% here. However, if Caleb Downs is not there, if Ruben Bane is not there, the guys that you would love to get at 12, who's to say you couldn't trade back to. Let's say, let's say 15 and you'll pick up the Buccaneers third round pick, let's say you're at 20, you trade back to 25 and pick up the Bears third round pick. You have two third round picks to work with and you still have 15 and 25 at the end of the day, you still have two first round picks, you still have a top 15 pick at the end of the day and you probably still get a high quality defensive player there at 15. Now I'm just throwing noodles at the Wall because you'd be trading back twice in this scenario. But I just, I throw that out there to say I think there's going to be opportunities to make some things shake. However, I'm with you. If Caleb Downs is there at 12, like I said, pick the guy, sprint. I'm sprinting to the card. But if he's not there and if Ruben Bane's not there, you know, I may be looking around, taking some calls, fielding some, fielding some interest.

[A]

I feel like we have this conversation usually a little bit later, like post combine, but since we're 100 days out, I just want to throw it out there. This is a draft that the more I dive into it and the more that I watch a lot of the top echelon guys, or should be top echelon guys, the more I see only 13, 14, 15 first round grades. I agree it's going to be a lower year in terms of first round grades. Not normally the 18 to 22 that we're used to seeing in terms of a specific draft class. So if you are trading out of that 12th overall pick, you are trading away from an opportunity to grab a first round graded player on your board. Unless you get to the point where you're at 11 or 12 and you're on the clock and there's 15 guys or not 15, but let's say there's five guys still on your board, then you can still trade back. So a lot of this is scenario driven, in my opinion, on what you would do with the first pick, the second pick, you can sit there at 20 and say it's likely we will not get a chance at a number one graded, a first round graded draft player at 20.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So maybe prior to the draft where it's not as scenario driven, you can pick up some selections by moving back with that 20th pick. And that's the conversation we've had initially. Because you have 12, you kind of keep that there. I think it's more likely you move 20 more than you would move 12.

[C]

Let me play into that thought process for a minute too, because let's say, let's say it's Detroit and they're sitting at 17, you're sitting at 12. Yeah. And Detroit's calling you saying, hey, I want to come up and grab, I don't know, pick whoever. I want to grab this guy. And you know that falling back to 17, everyone pretty much, pretty much knows falling back to 17 that you're not going to have a first round greater player you can throw that you can mention that on the phone. Hey guys, you know, you guys have as many first round guys as we do. I would imagine we're going to, you know, tax you on this a little bit. Maybe you pick up a second late two or something like that. So, you know, I, I think there's scenarios here, especially because teams get desperate in this first round to go up and grab player. Look at Atlanta. Last year they gave up a first round pick. This year to go up and get James pierce at like 26. There are going to be opportunities, I think, for this team to, to be able to have the same type of force.

[D]

And the really interesting thing, and he kind of goes for every draft. But what, what are quarterback needy teams going to do? Because Fernando Mendoza I think is, I think it's safe to say he's going to the Raiders at one as it stands right now, barring something unforeseen. But aside from that, you know, is there a team out there that says if he declares, man, I really love Ty Simpson from Alabama or man I love Dante Moore from Oregon, I think we can bang on his upside here. But is there going to be a team aside from Vegas at one that wants to do that? Because if that happens, then you knock every other everybody else down a pick. So, you know, does that mean the Caleb Downs ends up slipping to you or David Bailey slips to you? I don't think so. But it's still something that you have to, we're going to have to monitor throughout this process because Vaj, what's your, what's your key phrase?

[B]

Team suck a draft in time.

[D]

There you go. So if that, if that ends up being the case, somebody reaches for a quarterback or just wants a quarterback in general, maybe an offensive player, another defensive player that we're not talking about, who knows, who can slip to you. But at the same time, you can't bank on the strategy of, okay, we think people are going to reach for X, Y and Z unless it's fairly definitive. And then, you know, you're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place when you're on the clock.

[B]

Tommy, you just said it on accident. I think, I think we have to get ready for it, just us as draft guys. We have to get ready for the idea that the best wide receiver could be there or one of the better tackles or whatever wide receiver or tackle or running back could be there, make grade higher than whatever edge we got available or whatever. I don't see it. But whatever corner that we have available. So I think we have to be Ready for that good old conversation of what's more important. Ceedee Lamb or Kayla Von Chase Son and two more picks, you know what I'm saying? I think we have to get ready to have that conversation now. Of course, I'm not just, you know, I got a lot of faith in some of these edges, you know, further down the list or whatever. But I'm just saying if we like Carnell Tate enough, the Y receiver from How State love him. I love him to pieces. Nick Harris and you tag George Pickens. And we don't know if GP gonna be here in 2027. I think you have to be responsible and be like, hey, bro, we gotta have a conversation about wide receiver or Jeremiah Love running back Notre Dame day. We gotta have a conversation about these guys. And it's a bunch of anti running back people that's around that's having a conversation. But I was taught not to win or drift the board. And if it's Jeremiah Love in which I'll have him much higher than I'll have Cassius Falk or something. I need Cassius. I love Cassius. Jeremiah's higher, you know what I'm saying? So if I'm at 12, I might take the damn running back of 12 and I gotta be ready to, you know, have that conversation.

[A]

I wanna marry the conversation that you're having.

[B]

I do.

[A]

Conversation that we had initially because is it window dressing your board if you get to that situation and the highest graded player on your board is an offensive graded player, whether it's wide receiver, offensive tackle, wherever it may be?

[C]

Sure.

[A]

And he stepped down a little bit and you've got your highest graded defensive player instead of just jumping tags and picking the defensive player because of need. Would that be another scenario where we could see Dallas talk trade? Because you may not want to take a defensive player in that spot, pick up the value, and then take them a little bit later on and trade down in that scenario, as opposed to just jumping tags and picking an offensive player just because he's the top player on your board.

[B]

So two things I don't really like to do hypothetical trade backs, because it takes a team that's not us to want to be on board with that also. And it's a lot that goes into that.

[C]

You never know who's on the phone.

[B]

You never know who's on the phone. So I always want to go from, all right, we got 30 seconds on the clock. We got to make a pick. That's always the mindset that I'm going to and if I got a one on Jeremiah Love, running back Notre Dame, and I don't have a two on Cash, I'm just saying. For example, if I had a two on Cassius, I think it's window dressing if I bypass my one just to get the two. Now I'm hoping somebody call. Yeah, boy, I hope y' all call. Cause, boy, I love to have another pick in the second round, but just think about how that sounds, right? Hey, Detroit, you want this pick that I don't want? Give me all your picks that you want so that you can have this pick that I don't want. I think you have to be able to. If nobody picks up the phone, I'm not scared of y'. All. I'm picking my dude. And if it's a wide receiver, Carnell Tate, if it's wide receiver, Makai Lemon, wide receiver from usc, or if it's my running back, or if it's an offensive lineman, Francis Nick Harris, Ma from. From Miami tackle Miami, I have to be ready to take all those dudes.

[C]

I think something else to keep in mind, too, is you have two teams behind you. Baltimore at 14, Tampa Bay at 15. What they want that are most likely going to be looking for the same exact things you're looking for. Linebackers, secondary, potentially an edge. Especially as you look at Tampa Bay, their linebackers are getting old. So if you have Sonny Styles and he's the only linebacker out of Ohio State, he's the only linebacker left for you. Or C.J. allen out of Georgia is the only linebacker left for you, and you're trading back to 17. You'd have to, you know, think under the idea, hey, Baltimore, Tampa Bay could grab this guy, too.

[A]

Yeah, that's a great way to put it. I think there's a lot of options now because you have that 20th pick, it's completely different than if you were picking at 25 and above. And to be completely honest, when the trade was happening with Micah Parsons, I think we all looked at it and said, that's probably going to be a pick that's 25 or above.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

And now we're looking at it at 20. And you have some options to either stick and pick 12 and 20 and just get two dudes that you feel really confident in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And sure. Up whatever side of the football that you feel is best in that moment. Because I don't want to, like I said earlier, I don't want to window dress my board, but I'm open to dealing if the deal is enough to pick up some of that value.

[B]

Just looking at names, I think corner and wide receiver and running back going to be the best player on the board for you. If, if I had to guess, if teams do the right thing, they passed on D. Weir too, Tommy, you know what I'm saying? But if teams do the right thing, I think the best players that are going to be there are going to be probably two corners, two receivers, maybe one offensive tackle and a running back. And I think you just had to be ready for that.

[D]

Yeah, I'm with you. I've got, just in that vicinity, I've got some corners, linebackers, a receiver, Tyson from Arizona state, he's number 15 for me. Keldrick Folk is in there. I think Keldrick Folk's a good player. I just don't think he's a fit for Dallas that I think that he's the best run tackling edge in the class. Maybe not by design, but that's just kind of how things played out at Auburn this year. I'll tell you what, another corner that we haven't talked about yet, Brandon C. Say from, from South Carolina. I like him a lot. He's my third best corner right now. Six foot 190, good athlete, explosiveness, speed, kind of flies off the film. Good frame, long arms. The Cowboys love their long arm corners who can play man coverage and run. And I think he kind of fits that bill. So we'll see if. Is that a 12 pick? I would probably lean towards 20 with him, but that might be a guy where, you know, if we play out one of these scenarios and trade back a little bit, I think that could, that could work out for you.

[A]

Absolutely. There's a corner I was watching the other day.

[B]

What a name.

[A]

Avion. Terrell. Is it Terrell or Terrell? I don't know.

[D]

Terrell.

[C]

Terrell.

[A]

I think it's Terrell.

[C]

A.J. terrell's brother.

[A]

Corner from Clemson. If Dallas, and this is all going back to what Jerry Jones said post press conference last week when he said the nickel spot hurt us a lot, lot a lot of conversations about that nickel corner spot. Could that be a spot where they use a first round pick because he's 5 foot 11, played on the boundary of Clemson, but he could play inside as well in the NFL level. And I think he's one of those guys that you would want to know who your defensive coordinator is first because you need. He needs to press, he needs to be up on the line of scrimmage. Have you watched him at all? And would that be A possibility. Just nickel in general.

[C]

I'm going to defer to Tommy here because he asked me about him a couple days ago, so I know he's fresh. I got another nickel for you when you're done though. And I think could work in the first round.

[D]

Perfect. Yeah, I. I don't know. I might need to watch him back again. I wasn't really wowed the first time. I think good player.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

I haven't. Third round. I think he's a bad player.

[A]

Third round. Great.

[D]

Yeah, I think, you know, he's a good zone cover corner. He's got fluid hips, good instincts, keeps his eyes on the quarterback, gets to the ball quickly when it's in his area. This past year, I think he did really well as a blitzer. Had three sacks as a knock for forcing the ball for. He had five forced fumbles this year. What worries me is when he's in, man, he can kind of get beat on the top of some of these routes and he doesn't have the best size or closing speed for kinds of things. But if you're asking him to move in the slot and kind of go east and west, I think he can work for you there. The bigger question for the Cowboys specifically is what do you do with Duron Bland? You have to be definitive of, okay, do you want to Ron Bland in the slot or do you want him on the outside? And once you make that decision, I think that opens a lot more for you. But Terrell, I was hoping I'll be. I was hoping to see a little bit more again. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but that's going to be an interesting study of, you know what, what long term projection do you see with him? Only 21 years old at the draft, so pretty young, but I was hoping for a little bit more.

[B]

I think he's really good, man. I think he's a. I think he's a. He's a solid zone dude. I think he's really good man off, man. And where he, where he kind of excels to me is kind of seeing it and gambling a little bit. You know what I mean? Like not getting out of position.

[A]

That's what makes him a good man cover.

[B]

A good man cover guy.

[A]

And not a great zone corner.

[B]

There you go. Because he'll bait you a little bit, then he'll break, he'll, you know, go get you whatever. And the Cowboys love those tackling guys. But he little, you know, he's.

[A]

He's little.

[B]

I'm from Mississippi. He's smaller. You know what I mean? So if you. I mean, what's going like 180, 185 or something like that by the time he ends up testing or something. So if you want a slimmer guy, but just. He makes up for that lack of size with being feisty and tackling and all those kind of things. So I like him. I don't have a three on him. I got a two. He's like my cornerback five right now. But I do like Terrell.

[A]

I had him like early second, and if I have him early second, then that's ultimately going to be right around the low 20s.

[B]

Right around the 20s, yeah.

[A]

Is kind of where I have him slotted. So if you're looking at a. I wouldn't look at him at 12. I'm looking at maybe an impact player, linebacker, safety, down specifically at safety. And then you're looking at an edge rusher at 12. But at 20, I don't think he's out of the conversation.

[D]

Let me ask you guys this, then. Are you concerned at all with. It seemed like every rep that I watch with him and let me find the games that I could. That I watched. So you can watch the same thing. Lsu, Georgia Tech, so far. Does it concern you at all that it seems like at the snap he immediately flips his hips and starts running sideways instead of backpedaling. Does that concern you at all?

[B]

It could. It could be what they asked him.

[A]

I thought I saw more fluidity than. Than a technique problem.

[D]

I'm not saying there's a technique problem. I'm just saying I. I don't know if that's going to translate well.

[B]

Look at him.

[D]

No.

[A]

Do you think it's going to translate or not?

[D]

That that just something that. I don't know. Maybe it's. I just. I just thought it was kind of unusual that it seemed like every rep he was kind of tipping his hand maybe a little bit for snaps where he's. He doesn't backpedal. He just goes right back into the. Look at the quarterback, see where the ball.

[A]

There was one rep. I watched that LSU game, too. There was one rep. Specifically. I thought that was a part of his bait technique in man of where he kind of flipped its hips a little bit early and then kind of went back inside and was there in position in the hip pocket. But like, little technique. Things like that are going to be a question for me when he goes up against, like you said, the top wide receivers, especially if you're going to move them Inside so little things like that I think will start.

[D]

But I completely agree with you guys that when he breaks to the ball and when he gambles he's really good and the interception stuff is there. And like I said, the thing that impressed me the most was one when he came on those corner blitzes and he was able to be effective with that. Three sacks this year and then the ability to punch the ball free, five force fumbles. That certainly stands out. I don't think and I don't think he's a bad player. I don't hate it. But I think that again I was expecting more. Maybe I just need to watch more.

[B]

Whenever you get time, watch Duke and Syracuse, those games, throw those on there too.

[C]

All right, I got a couple things to throw at you guys. You mentioned you were from Mississippi so I wanted to throw you a guy.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Josh Moten, corner from Southern Miss. Shout out to Hattiesburg. You spent some time down there.

[B]

You went to Southern Miss to the top. Yes sir.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Josh Moten, he's a, he's a day three guy that I think is very intriguing at the corner spot. Matched up against Jeremiah Smith and had an interception on him and six tackles. I think this is a fascinating guy but that was not what I wanted to mention you were talking about first. He only he mentioned Mississippi so it jogged my mind.

[A]

That's the most Nick Harris thing I've ever heard. Let me just quickly mention nothing to do what we're talking about Southern Miss real fast. Just.

[C]

I just think it's fascinating because I love Southern Miss and I loved their head coach from, from last year, Charles Huff. But anyways at Memphis right now he's in Memphis. That's a fascinating program as well. All right, I'm going to give you a first round graded guy at the nickel spot and I want you to listen to these stats and tell me you how you feel about this. All right. So we're sitting at 6 foot 200 pounds.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

During his three year college career, had 16 tackles for loss. If you're a nickel, you want your guy playing close to the line of scrimmage.

[A]

Over just three years.

[C]

Over just three years you want him playing to the closest line of scrimmage and affecting, affecting the backfield. Right. Also had 12 pass deflections and he is not a nickel corner. He did not play nickel corner in college but he did play a fifth of his snaps at the nickel spot. Theory. Theory in mind. Are you, are you feeling this so far?

[D]

I'm listening.

[B]

Yeah, man, It's Caleb Downs.

[C]

What is Siri doing right at the drop?

[B]

That is crazy.

[C]

It's Caleb Downs.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

I am very intrigued with Caleb Downs. Yeah, that was weird. They're always listening.

[D]

Is that an omen or something?

[A]

Somebody tapped your phone from across the way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Somebody else in the NFL is listening to the show and they're like, are they. Are they going to put Caleb Downs at nickel?

[C]

I like the idea of Caleb Downs at nickel. Not permanently, but this is a guy that I think you can play anywhere in the secondary. Yeah. Whether you're playing him at safety, whether you're playing him at nickel. I think initially, first year, you put this guy at the nickel spot, he's going to affect the backfield. He's going to give you physical coverage inside. He can match up against any style receiver. You could put him up against a tight end, too, because he's got experience doing that at Ohio State. I love this guy. I love this player. And I'm just going to continue going, going hard on Caleb Downs. His name.

[A]

I hate that. And you know why I hate that? Because I love that idea. And if I love that idea, that means there's 11 other teams in front of the Cowboys that also might love that idea.

[B]

And let me tell you something that.

[A]

Just if one of the things about Downs and the team sucking and drafting that hot just talked about with all of that, one of the things that could help them suck at drafting is the fact that they label him as a safety and that the safety position is not valued enough to go top 11 in the draft. However, if they start labeling him as a corner or a possible flex guy back and forth, does that increase his value even more so than what it already said?

[C]

Souped up.

[D]

Brian Branch, man, he can play anywhere. I would. I would play him at quarterback if I could. He's the smartest player on the field.

[C]

He did play some quarterback in high school.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Of course, Nick knew that. Just ready?

[A]

Just what were you gonna say, Vod?

[B]

Man, I forgot what was talking about. What's talking about now?

[A]

Nickel.

[B]

So him. Him playing nickel. I love that. Nick Harris, 100%. I agree with that. However, I wouldn't. I wouldn't trust them versus those like, quick, small, shifty cats. But like, versus big. Like, big. Like big slot guys. I love them. Versus big slot guys. I love them. Versus running backs. I love them. Versus tight ends, tight ends. That's not on the line of scrimmage. I'd just be wary about playing them in nickel all the time. But I love what you're saying. That's all I had on that cop.

[C]

We have all these compact slots that are starting to flutter into the NFL. Amon Ross St. Brown has really opened up the floodgates for these guys. This is a guy you want matched up on that.

[A]

Oh, man.

[C]

Although I will say I did like Ready Stewart last year.

[A]

But anyway, just for the record, didn't go to Southern Miss.

[B]

But Ready can leave. We got Katie Cook.

[A]

All right, when we come back on the draft show, it's time for Twitter on the 20. We're going to keep it defensive heavy on this episode across the board and then we'll, we'll flip it to the offensive side later on. We're going to talk about the quarterbacks in this draft and what that could do in terms of the overarching interests from some of these playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. When we come back with more of the draft show right after this. Yeah, yeah.

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[C]

You going to Monster Jam?

[A]

Monster Jam on Valentine's Day?

[B]

Why don't you look at black guy first and ask if I was won a month?

[C]

I just figured you would have the funniest answer.

[B]

So how about this? What do they do there? Like they just. They drive, have the truck then wet.

[A]

They do like flips and they like. They, they go off these ramps.

[B]

They get car. They, they.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

They like what they do.

[A]

Roll bars and everything. Get crazy.

[B]

Oh, boy. Yeah, that's the. That's the hot stuff, huh? After they flip, then what?

[D]

You flip or something?

[B]

They flip. They just keep flipping.

[D]

Don't they run over.

[A]

They run over different cars. They may like run over some buses.

[B]

I go watch traffic.

[A]

Nasty. Yeah, it's crazy.

[D]

Technically you would be trucks.

[B]

Yeah. Trucks flipping. Boy, that sounds like a thrill. It is. Y'. All. Y' all go to Monster Jam. Yeah.

[A]

Monst.

[B]

How much that cost? Tickets free to you.

[A]

No, they're not.

[B]

They cost money.

[A]

Yeah. Official ticketing partner of AT&T Stadium.

[D]

We'll go drive one of the cars, do one of the flips in it.

[A]

I feel like you like it. I feel like you're sleeping on it a little bit. Yeah, you're sleeping on it. You got to get out there and be like, oh, man, this is crazy.

[B]

I sound like that.

[A]

No, I'm just saying. That's what I would say.

[B]

I'll never say that about flipping trucks over.

[D]

Let me ask you this.

[B]

Let me look up.

[D]

Let me go to YouTube. If you're guaranteed Caleb down to 12, would you do a backflip in one of those monster cars?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

We gotta figure out how to make this happen.

[D]

I'm calling all 11 GMs in front of Dallas.

[A]

Hey, like, we've got that big monster truck type.

[B]

All right. Monster Jam.

[A]

Yeah. It's fun.

[B]

It's cool.

[A]

All right, it's time. Chris Beam, for some Twitter on the 2020 first question comes from. Ashley wants to know how deep is this edge class in the 2026 NFL Draft? Draft doesn't want the Cowboys to miss out on selecting one of those picks.

[B]

Ashley, let me tell you something. I'm watching Monster Jam and they just driving in a circle. Ain't nothing special going on.

[A]

Oh, gosh.

[B]

But it's a lot of edges. You know, we talked about Bane from Miami last week. We talked about Bailey from Tech last week. Cash. I mean, yeah, Cash High from A. And M. Akeem Mezador. Have y' all watched him? Have y' all seen him?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Boy, he whoop a lot of ass. Edge from Miami, high floor guy. He's about 280 pounds. Don't look too 80. He rushed from the outside, rushes from the inside. Very, very nuanced rush. Great with his hands, playing backup, playing counter. No wasted movement type guy. He's one of them older cats who. He's like a high floor dude. I don't see him growing much more than what he is right now.

[C]

He's 25 on his rookie season.

[B]

I don't care how old he is. Yeah, no, no, no. You're right. Thank you. But what I'm just saying, as a response to that, if it's vouch, I'm drafting him and I don't care that he's my age is what I'm saying. Mellow height is another guy from Tech. It's a bunch of opposite guys.

[A]

I was about to say these are all opposite end dudes.

[B]

Mellow height, high energy, bursty, bendy, up field type guy. If you want some, go watch him versus Caleb Lomu from Utah. The left tackle that's supposed to be first, second round type guy. Beat the hell out of him. That's fun. And R. Mason Thomas from Oklahoma is another good name, too. R. Mason Thomas. Please tell me about him. Bendy.

[D]

He's undersized, but he plays really smart, has more strength than I think you would expect from a player his size. Kind of struggles to anchor against the bigger guys, which would be probably my only concern. But he's quick off the line, uses speed and bend to beat the opponent. Can close in a hurry on the quarterback. I think he's got a really high ceiling feeling.

[C]

One guy that I, I've grown to just love over the course of his college career and I was a big fan of him during his high school career when I was covering it. Danny Dennis Sutton at Penn State. I think this is a guy that if you don't know the name now, he will certainly know it by, by 100 days from now. I think he's a second round type guy. Could potentially even sneak in late. First. When you look at the ideal build you want from a guy who can set the edge and also affect the passer, it's, it's Danny Dennis Sutton at 6 5, £270. Can, can get into the backfield and disrupt it in many different ways. Power and speed. And he, and it's, it's really impressive to see how he combines those two. There was the first time that I saw Danny Dennis Sutton it was at the All American bowl, which is all the top high school prospects go to the All American bowl in San Antonio actually just happened this last week and it was Danny Dennis Sutton and Mikel Williams and this would have been 2021, 2022, something like that. And both of those guys were just wrecking shop all week and they were going up against guys that we're talking about in this draft class like Kaden Proctor. Trying to think of some other. I think Spencer Fano would have been in the, would have been in the All American bowl that year as well. And these two guys were just dominating. And as I've tracked Danny Dennis Sutton over the years and you think about all the edge rushers that have come through Penn State. Abdul Carter had had another one a couple of years ago. I'm blanking on a couple of names, but you have Gross Matos before it was after Micah.

[A]

You see your girl Gross Matos.

[C]

There you go. And. But Danny Dennis Sutton has always affected the passer. And when you see some of these other guys in previous years making plays, it's opened up because they offensive lines have to respect Danny Dennis Sutton too. Also piano player can move up and down the line. You can, I think you could slide him in as far as 3 tech and as, as, as outside as 7 or 9 tech. This is a guy that I really like out of Penn State, Danny Dennis, Sudden.

[A]

So you think there's guys in the fourth round, there's guys on day three that can make it happen at edge rusher. Like, it's deep enough of a class.

[C]

To where he's not a day three guy. But if we are talking day three.

[A]

Guys, are there impact edge rushers on day three?

[C]

It's tough to answer that question before even, like, Senior Bowl, Shrine Bowl.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's honestly why I don't like stacking players, really, until we get closer to combine. Just because, like, you have to see these guys in person, especially with the day three guys, because you're like, okay, okay. If I'm going to take a day three swing on somebody, I want to have as much knowledge as possible on this guy. So when we're talking about a guy like Damon Wilson out of Missouri, a guy I like, but I want to see him in person. Same with Patrick Payton out of lsu. If Prince William Amy Ellen comes out of Ole Miss, that's another one I would like to see in person. You know, there's going to be some fascinating ones. Kenyatta Jackson out of Ohio State, Anto Saka out of Northwestern. These are a lot of guys that I want to see in person.

[A]

The chat, by the way, is giving Voch a lot of flack for not liking monster trucks. Floyd said, I don't know if I trust Voch now. Now he's going to say he doesn't like muscle cars and motorcycles.

[B]

I just showed Nick Harris a video about this truck that's built like a shark and it's twerking in the air. The damn truck is twerking in the air. This is.

[D]

This is my.

[A]

How is that not crazy?

[B]

Hold up, Kyle. The truck is twerking. The truck is twerking in the air.

[A]

Tell me that's not cool.

[B]

No, it's cool.

[D]

That's great. What are you talking about?

[A]

I don't know what.

[B]

You're the truck twerking in the air.

[A]

You're a mess. That's perfect. All right. Big J wants to know why is Jacob Rodriguez, linebacker out of Texas Tech, not being talked about more? Feels like his instincts for the ball are good. Great in coverage. His read and react time is good. Feels like he's undersized. Of course, that's going to be a knock. But he feels like he could be the best linebacker coming out of the draft.

[C]

We maybe haven't mentioned him on the draft show, but he's going to Talk about quite a bit in, in draft circles. Yes, as far as I know. And I, I think he's, I think he's going to be a high floor type of player and he's going to give you day one leadership, day one consistency. I am a Jacob Rodriguez fan. I don't know if I'm first round Jacob Rodriguez fan, but when you see him and how many ways he affected the, affected the opposing offenses this past season, granted he had a lot of great pieces around him at Texas Tech, but this, this guy was their best player on the field in my opinion, in a lot of those games.

[A]

Let me ask you this, why not first round potential with Rodriguez limited athleticism?

[C]

That's going to be the thing he's, he's knocked for during the process. I'm, I'm combine is going to be huge for him and pro day is going to be huge for him. But I am, I am a Jacob Rodriguez fan personally. And if, you know, if the Cowboys were to trade back and end up with a second or third and he's still on the board. Absolutely.

[B]

You know, something funny about Jacob Rodriguez, people talk about his size, right? You know, him and C.J. allen. The same size. Huh? C.J. allen on film looks thicker, of course, because he's whooping folk. But they're both like 6, 1, 2, 30.

[A]

Yeah. And one of them's tabbed as a physical bruiser of a linebacker and the other one's tabbed as read and right.

[B]

He is, yeah, yeah, good.

[A]

But the other one is read and react and more.

[B]

So a couple. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's fair because when you watch the film, Jacob looks smaller. Like he looks smaller compared to Allen or whatever. But I'm with Nick or whatever. I think his athletic sales for me.

[A]

I wonder how much those measurables are going to change when we get to Indy and you get the official measurements from those guys because if they look that much different and they do, they look different. I'm shocked they even are listed as the same size. I'm wondering if it's going to be a significant gain for Allen or it's going to be a significant drop off for Rodriguez whenever they actually get the numbers and put pen to paper.

[C]

Jacob Rodriguez will be a Senior bowl guy and Senior bowl does a really good job of getting those, those measurements official. And sometimes, man, those couple last year they were like, please don't put that out. And they're like, we have to, it's part of our job. And they did.

[D]

So I feel like Rodriguez May be one of those guys, but as a player. Yeah, no, I like him too. I think Nick hit it and Vodch hit it on the head. This is a really productive player over the last couple years. You know, you think about these last two years he's had with Texas Tech. Six sacks, 10 forced fumbles, five interceptions. He finished fifth and Heisman voting this year, like he was that impactful a player for this defense. And sure you had the David Bailey's, the Romello Heights, the Lee hunters of the world that were around him, but this was, this was the heart and soul of that Texas Tech defense and he was, he was all over the place every time. So I think, you know, that's, it's kind of like the Akeemestador deal where you're going to get a high floor, experienced player. He's played five seasons of college football, who's going to be able to come in and do things for you from a leadership standpoint and from a read and diagnose and react standpoint. But my, my concern is just like my colleagues here is the athleticism. I think he's limited there and that would limit, you know, what he can do long term. But as far as, you know, being able to be productive, being able to come in and make an impact, I think especially in this linebacker room, he can certainly do that.

[A]

This next question comes from Smalls and he actually he directed this to Voch. I think it's an interesting conversation though. Everybody small as hd Mikel Williams last year he was the guy that you said Dallas is probably going to have him there on the board, probably going to like him. But you hope they don't draft him for sure. Who is that guy this year, man, 20, 25 or 26 draft.

[B]

Tommy mentioned him earlier and as I look on PFF's board, PFF got him at 14. Not that I trust PFF. I just need to know what people think of these guys. Keldrick Falk, man. Keljk Fogg, Adam, Auburn. Keldrick Falk edge from Auburn. Not that I hate Keldrick Faulk. I just got a 2 on him. And if we're talking about 12th overall or whatever, I would hope that one of the corners going to be there. I would rather draft the running back. I would rather draft a safety. Of course we all know that I would rather draft Sonny Styles linebacker from Ohio State. It's just I got a long list of dudes that I would rather draft even if Keldrick was available at 20. And it sounds like I'm being mean to the player. Right. But just looking at my board right now, I got. I got three edges I would rather have over Keldrick Falk if he falls to 20. I got a bunch of wide receivers and offensive tackles. I'd rather take a tight end than fault Kelly Faulk. So if he's around at 12 or 20, I would hope that the Cowboys don't even look his direction.

[A]

Who's that guy for you?

[C]

It would probably be Falk as well.

[B]

CJ park another one too, but it.

[C]

Would probably be Keldrick Falk as well. He's a big guy and they're going to be blown away by the measurables and you're going to see some of the plays that he does have and he has some splash film, don't get me wrong. But I. I'm with Fodge. I don't think he's a 12 guy.

[D]

Yeah, three for three. Keltrick, focus.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

It's similar in, like, you know, in the measurables and things like that. And the fact that he'll be 20 years old at the drafts. He'll be one of the younger players. Teams will like that. But again, I like the guy. I have a two on him, too. But there are guys above him that I think would benefit Dallas more. And again, I think this year, the, the run game stuff that he was able to do and the length that he has on that side of things, the ability to set the edge, I think stood out more. Anything pass rush wise. I think the production mirrors that. So that. That's what kind of scares me with folk.

[B]

The. I think Cowboys are looking for edge or they're looking for pass rusher when they're. When they're going into this thing.

[C]

That's a good question.

[A]

Good way to decipher it.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Yeah. Because I think that. That's why. That's why. Look, if you're taking an edge, and that's why I mentioned the last show, I'm not sure if There's a top 10 worthy edge in this class. There's going to be edges drafted in the top 10. I think people maybe got my comment wrong. There are going to be edges that should be drafted in the top 10 and they will. I don't think there's top 10 worthy edges in this class because I don't know if there's a complete edge out there who checks all the boxes. And if I'm drafting an edge, top 10, I want him to check all the boxes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But you have to be able to, you know, be able to have concessions with the certain negatives that some of these guys have, whether it be a rubber banner or a David Bailey just in.

[B]

In cowboy land. I think you're going to be so heavy at. At the tackle spot. D tackle spot. I think you can afford to have like a lighter edge or lighter edges or whatever, especially going out here in these five man fronts. Or your next coordinator might run three, four type stuff. I think it's cool to have like a smaller guy because, you know, donvan Aziraku is 220. Apparently. We all kind of saw that. But would that make you go, all right, well, we got a small guy. Would you really want another small guy like on the other side of that? And my answer is yes, because you got humongous humans and queen of Williams, Kenny Clark and Olsen in the middle.

[A]

Yeah, it kind of gives you some, some flexibility there that you've never had in the past. We've never sat here as a draft show, at least since we all joined the draft show and said, wow, Cowboys are set on the interior defensive line enough to where you can kind of draft whatever flexibility you want outside. And now you can because you have Kenny Clark and you have assuming Kenny Clark and you have Quinn and Williams on the interior.

[B]

Because think about this. Just to beat Cowboys for like 38 seconds though, right? If you didn't fix the run game at the end the of. Yeah, we might be have. Well, theoretically fix the run game or get better at it. Right. I think we having a. A different conversation. I think the biggest blinking light was, damn, we can't rush the passer at all. You know what I'm saying? So I would hope that Dallas and people on the second floor looking at that and going, yeah, man, maybe we can afford to get one or just to bypass some of these, these run stoppy guys and to go for a pass rushy dude, please.

[C]

I, I will say take a look at Keldrick Falk from 2024 and how he was affecting the game personally. And take a look at 20, 25 and see how he was open for other guys. Auburn had a linebacker last year that led the SEC in tackles for loss and was second in sacks. And that guy's 5 foot 11 and he was getting into the backfield day three too, right? No, I'm talking this season. He's still got another year. He's. He's a guy that was able to get those opportunities because of the dedication that offensive lines take toward Keldrick Fog. I am just giving that one one point of of positivity because honestly I think he's better than who's your guy last year? Mikel Williams. I think he would be better than a Mikel Williams if they were stacked by up against each other.

[A]

Some great questions on Twitter on the 20 today when we come back, we're going to address the offensive side of the ball. We've talked a lot of defense these first couple shows as you would anticipate with the needs around this building. However, got to take a generic look at what this class looks like from the quarterback position and some of these playmakers across the board. More of the draft show right after this. Cowboys fans, when it comes to navigating.

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So let me just say this about Monster Jam in further context, right?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I was born in 92.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So when I was a kid, my son, I was born in 92. So when I was a kid, there was this show that was our Robot Wars. I know you remember y' all probably too young. If the trucks fight each other, like if they fighting each other and they had like flamethrowers attached to em and big shovels and like picks to like tear up the other truck, that'll make Monster Jam hard as hell.

[A]

They may do that, I don't know.

[B]

But right now I just see trucks twerking, flipping and doing jumps. I don't see nothing else. Handstand, twerking.

[A]

The truck's twerking is hilarious.

[B]

I show Nick, you, you know how it is when they go upside down, they hand.

[C]

Yeah, I know exactly who you're talking about.

[B]

They you know exactly. Nick know exactly what I'm talking about.

[A]

The truck was, why does Nick know?

[B]

Huh? Cuz Nick is melanated in his spirit. I tell this story all the time. When I first met Kyle, I shook Kyle's hand. Prefer Kyle and I shook Tommy's hand and I went to go shake hand, shake Nick's hand. Nick said, nah, I'm good. And. And he insisted that it was a.

[A]

Key and Peele skit.

[B]

Of course it is. No, no, no. But it's like the key and Peele thing was, hey, I have a relationship where I professionally handshake you and I have a relationship with y' all where I dap you. I thought Nick was, hello, Hello. Nick was like, nah, bro. No, no, no, no. He refused to professional shake. He went, nah, bro. And I was confused. And then he snapped at the end and I was like, I'd be. Damn, Nick. So it's different.

[C]

I did it with Tom.

[B]

You snapped, Tommy.

[C]

First time we met, I think you shook my hand.

[B]

What'd he do?

[A]

Well.

[B]

Cause what'd he do, Tommy, How'd you respond?

[C]

This is like eight years ago.

[D]

Snap and everything.

[B]

See, Tommy, don't. See, Tommy, don't. When somebody surprised you with a dap, a firm dap and a snap, it's.

[A]

It's a different thing.

[B]

So there's no wonder why you like the soul food spot in the yami.

[C]

All right.

[B]

And that one tweet that kind of blew up on yours last week. Last year, we all knew. We all knew, Nick. So there you go.

[C]

Go.

[A]

I'm glad we're back here 100 days away.

[B]

I'm gonna get us fired, bro. I'm gonna get us. I don't care.

[A]

You tried to in the break already.

[B]

That's different. Yeah, that's different.

[A]

All right, let's get into the offense. When it comes to the quarterback position, everybody wants quarterbacks to go in front of Dallas. You want every quarterback possible to go from 1 to 11 right before the Cowboys pick at 12. This doesn't seem like a draft where that could be possible, but let's talk about the top in quarterback talent. Nick, I'll let you start. Is this a comparable class to some of the ones that you've seen over the last few years at quarterback?

[C]

Definitely not.

[D]

From.

[C]

Gosh, what year are we in? Definitely not. 2024, when we saw all those quarterbacks go in the top 10. You even had J.J. mcCarthy sneaking in there. I think, however, you're going to see Fernando Mendoza in his top 10 and something to keep an eye on. This college football portal is wild west right now, but there was a commitment yesterday that I think everybody should be keeping an eye on. Dylan Rayol, former quarterback at Nebraska, committed to Oregon. And this is a guy who had starting opportunities in the portal for a lot of money. Now, Oregon is reporting that, you know, even if Dante Moore does go back for another year, Dylan Rayola is okay being his backup. I don't see how that's possible. I don't see how that's possible. Dylan Rayola hit the Portal so that he could find a better development opportunity and be ready for the NFL next year. And so Dante Moore, I think the. The likelihood of him entering the draft is a lot higher. Granted, it has been a few days since Oregon season has ended and we haven't heard from Dante Moore.

[A]

Moore.

[C]

But I expect Dante Moore to enter the draft and be in that top 10 consideration. I'm a big Dante Moore guy myself. But that'll be a different conversation. Ty Simpson I think is going to be one of the more fascinating conversations we have as far as top 10 because some of his best stuff. Absolutely. Some of his worst stuff, you're like, gosh, that's, that might be a risk at the end of the day. Yeah, but I mentioned it and I think I mentioned in our group chat yesterday these, these quarterback needy teams or I mentioned on Twitter to foot shout out to foots. These quarterback needy teams would convince themselves to draft QB5 top 10 if they had to talk enough. Because teams do suck at drafting. They need a quarterback. These quarterback needs things. Oh my gosh, we have this number 7 overall pick. You know, we need a quarterback. We have to take a quarterback here. It's happened so many times. J.J. mcCarthy was a good example of, of that and I think you know that that's where we start factoring in a guy like Ty Simpson. In my, in my opinion, I think.

[D]

Yes, Simpson I think is the wild card in all this because he's a guy like you said that you could. It's one of those guys we mentioned earlier in the show. If teams fall in love with a guy, there's nothing holding them back from picking him. J.J. mcCarthy was example that Michael Penck I think was an example of that for Atlanta. There's a couple different guys I think in this class that can do that and I think, I think maybe one of teams really suck at drafting or really lean on recency bias is Trinidad Chambliss from Ole Miss. Now it's going to depend whether or not he gets reinstated and can play another year college football. I think they're fighting a legal battle at the NCAA right now to see if he can do that after he got rejected initially. But is that a guy that people look at the Ohio State game or was it Ohio State? No, it wasn't. Miami talking the first round. Yeah.

[C]

Georgia.

[D]

Thank you Georgia. Wow, that was awful. Sorry about that. Do they see that three play stretch where he's breaking tackles left and right, running around all over the place, turning his arm and hitting 50 yard throws. Is that something where team's like yeah, that's, we feel like we can win with that or is, you know, does somebody like Carson Beck enough from Miami? He's helped Miami out towards a national championship. You just never know with some of these quarterbacks and what teams are thinking of them. And again, I don't think those guys are worthy of top 10 picks or anything like that. But it just kind of depends on what teams think of these guys in their pre draft evaluation processes. But certainly Simpson and Moore are the two biggest dominoes. And the other thing to consider with, with the Oregon situation is Dante Moore was kind of in the same situation as Raiola where he was at ucla, hit the transfer portal, went to Oregon and basically took a year to develop and take that time behind Dylan Gabriel. Then he steps into the limelight, takes over as the starter. I'm not saying it's going to be the same thing, but that's, it's not completely unheard of.

[C]

The only difference with that more was in year two rails going into year three.

[D]

Right.

[C]

So that's where I'm like, I don't see Rayleigh giving up year three.

[A]

Yeah. Is it even, is it even a possibility that Ty Simpson doesn't go into the draft? Because I know he's declared but there's rumors out there that he's getting offers of six and a half million in nil to transfer.

[C]

Yeah, that's not crazy.

[A]

It's, that's not true.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So I just, I, I did, I did, I did.

[A]

That's right. That's referenced thing.

[C]

Yeah, I cross referenced that. That is, that is a premier agent going to work for another client. But I, I, I think Ty Simpson does end up in this class and they have quarterbacks at Alabama that they are ready to start developing. Yeah, he would be and, but you know, if, if there are only two sure fire things in the first round, how does that play into guys like Garrett Nussmeier who missed most of his senior season at LSU with an injury but has shot shown some gunslinging mentality throughout the course of his career. Kate Clubnik did not play well this past year at Clemson. But I, I, gosh, I, I think the kid has potential. I do. And I, I would take a swing on him if he's still there in round three. And I'm a quarterback needy team. But yeah, there's going to be some fascinating conversations.

[A]

Sawyer Robinson out of Baylor.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.

[D]

Drew Aller, Penn State.

[A]

Penn State.

[C]

There's a lot of Texas boys in this class too, which is, we're gonna have a lot of fun.

[B]

I don't care nothing about quarterback, dog. We got Dak Prescott. Man, I ain't watching quarterback till April. But let me, let me just offer y' all this last year the New York Giants traded up to 25 with the Houston Texans to go get Jackson Dart. They ended up getting back 34, 99 and a 2026 third round pick. Is that like a haul that y' all pay back tax earlier when we talking about hey, I'll trade back. I don't know if I trade back for. They want to come up and get some corner or something. Right. I wouldn't trade back to that. But if you give me the this something similar to this. Right. 34, 99 and a next year's third, I think it's then worth it. Like if a team is moving up to get a quarterback and this is the Giants moving up at 25 to get a quarterback. So I don't know, not even 12 and 2012 and I don't know what it looks like for down 20. So if somebody's trading up for a quarterback then yeah, it's a little more interesting to me. You said 34, 34, 99 and 2026.

[C]

They moved back nine spots, picked up a second or excuse me, picked up.

[A]

A third, flipped a second third now this year. Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

S. That's fascinating. That's fascinating. And I love being at the top of day two. I think there's so much value there. There's a lot of time to field calls as well.

[A]

Looking ahead at the of the Cowboys ahead of 12, what are the quarterback needy teams? Las Vegas? Yes. New York. Yes. Would you classify Arizona in that category? I know they've got a kind of a question mark there, but I would say yes. Tennessee? No. New New York. Probably not. Cleveland.

[B]

We could talk about Cleveland.

[A]

It should be.

[B]

We could talk about Cleveland for sure.

[A]

Right. Back at it again, huh? Another year, another quarterback. So you could maybe throw them there. Washington? No. New Orleans.

[B]

Washington though.

[A]

You think Jaden Daniels.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

I know he was banged up, but I don't think they'd move on from him.

[B]

Do you not move on? I mean they drafted Kirk Husband the same year that they drafted Robert Griffin. Right. But just like do you think that there may be a conversation about recurring injury over there or. I'm just trying to it. Nah, Nutty.

[D]

Nothing is too early.

[B]

Cool. Move on.

[C]

And they have Mariota back up too.

[A]

Yeah. New Orleans. I know what Nick thinks. He says everybody else think I'm with them quarterback needy.

[D]

I'm not sold. I'm not sold either.

[A]

I think they.

[C]

They will. They are sold.

[A]

Yeah. Kansas City? No. Cincinnati?

[B]

No.

[A]

Miami. Yes.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Potentially.

[D]

I mean, well, it depends. How much do you like how much do you like Quinn Ewers? Would be. Would be the question for the New Head coach and.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Texas, I think. Well, no, I'm just saying the organization loves him.

[C]

He has a good point.

[D]

That's what I'm saying is how much do you believe in? And what could be really interesting is if a certain head coach that worked with him in the off season and maybe, or maybe not coached here for a little bit ends up being one of their guys that they.

[A]

Double M, double M, Mike McCarthy.

[D]

Bobby's not here.

[B]

So I mean, that Mike McCarthy got a job.

[A]

He's got a couple of interviews.

[C]

He's going to get one.

[A]

I think he will.

[B]

He's going to ruin some team.

[A]

So that's three, four, five. Five teams in front of Dallas. Maybe six.

[D]

Six.

[A]

Five, maybe six. That would be on the verge, let's just say on the verge of taking a quarterback if the right value is there. So it's not out of the question that some of those names could sneak up into that category. We've seen it before.

[D]

It's not out of the question. But my, my concern for Dallas would be okay if it's kind of a consensus deal where everybody says, yeah, this is probably a down year for quarterbacks. Do they look at it and say, okay, we know we can win. Wait, and we don't. We don't need a guy. We don't need to use our first round pick on a guy. We know we can hold off until maybe the second or third.

[A]

That's probably the most likely scenario.

[D]

Yeah, that, that, that would be. My thing is I think that there's.

[A]

A fall in love with a guy.

[D]

But in those teams that we're talking about here, you know, the Miami's, the Clevelands, the Tennessee. Not Tennessee, excuse me, the Arizona's, the Jets, like they have other areas of need where they could use a higher end player like a Caleb Downs or an Arville Reese that can fix a lot of different things for him and then hold off and wait for a quarterback later on.

[A]

All right, so as we sit 100 days out right now, how many quarterbacks go ahead of Dallas at 12?

[C]

3.

[A]

3.

[B]

Okay. But of course I know you're. I'll watch them in eight.

[A]

You're on your phone like we're talking quarterback.

[B]

I'm thinking two and a possible, Kyle. That's what I'm thinking.

[A]

Two. Two.

[D]

Impossible.

[A]

Kind of. Yeah. Two and impossible is a good way to put it.

[B]

Nick knows exactly what that means. All right. Don't you, Nick?

[C]

I actually don't.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

All right, that's gonna do it for us. You're on the draft show. That's the end of the show.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Thanks F for joining us. Appreciate you, man.

[B]

No problem. No problem.

[A]

I'm glad you were here.

[B]

I'll be back Thursday.

[A]

Yes, we will. We will be back Thursday, 11am Central Time. Hope to have everybody back in the building for that one AS we are 100 days out from the NFL Draft. For Vox Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the draft show. See you on Thursday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about you, Cowboys.