Vach Lombardi (2:01)

Did a couple shows, went home, did four videos, then did a live stream. Then I hopped on some of my YouTube friends livestream, you know, J Tuck, DMV, Roman, all those guys. So I was busy. I was busy 14 hour day yesterday. But you know, the game gonna be the game. You gotta do what you gotta do and you know check's gonna clear.

Kyle Yeomans (2:21)

Yeah, at some point they will. At some point they will. Now your thoughts on what Dallas did in day one. Does it change any of the draft mindset? Since this is a draft show, if you want actual free agent conversations and takes, you can check out all the other content available from Vodch. Nick and Tommy talking Cowboys this morning. But the. The, the draft mindset now with a starting safety and Jalen Thompson now with another edge rusher. I don't want to say the edge rusher, but a edge rusher in Rashawn Gary. Then you bring back Sam Williams as well. Anything change across the board?

Nick Harris (2:56)

Yeah, I think the need for linebacker just continues to increase here and it almost makes you wonder how aggressive you want to be for a linebacker. Let's say a Sonny Styles that, you know is probably not going to get to you at 12. Do you try to be maybe aggressive and go up and get them? Or are you hoping for a Jacob Rodriguez situation at 20, linebacker is C.J. allen situation at 20 as well? Yeah, linebacker has shot up the board as the, the most important need on this team right now. But I mean, you could say the same thing for nickel corner. I got a call from someone yesterday on the Pittsburgh beat because we were going back and forth about a certain trade that we can't talk about on these airwaves and they're, they were asking about like, players that maybe can make sense. And he's like, who's, who's the nickel over there right now? I was like, you want to be the nickel? It could be you. It's also ready Steward. But they, they certainly need to hunt down a nickel. I will say the Jalen Thompson AD does give them a lot of flexibility, though, in the secondary. He can play safe, play safety. He could play nickel, he could play in the box. And it could kind of be a situation to where you can draft Thieman or Delane or Terrell or Hood, whoever you want. And it doesn't really impact, you know, it does impact Thompson where he eventually plays, but you're not going to have an overlap with Thompson. And I think that was probably the most important thing to take out of yesterday.

Tommy Yarish (4:17)

Yeah, I was going to make the point of safety. Like if Athenaman was still there at 20 from Oregon, I would still take him. Or a McNeil Warren from Toledo. I think he can play even though Nick doesn't and hates me for it. I think I would take him at 22. Don't bark at me.

Nick Harris (4:35)

No, the only thing was the other day you were like, I think he's a good player. I just don't think he can cover range. So I was like, your safety can't play safety. That's what I was asking. I actually like McNeil Ward. I was just asking about your own. Take your own opinion. I don't mind the player. I actually don't. I have a second round grade on him.

Tommy Yarish (4:49)

I'm sick of you. I'm sick of you anyways. But no, I, I Completely agree with Nick in the sense that linebacker is your biggest need. And I think we, we talked about on this show at some point the, the Brown scenario at number six, right? Taking those two first rounders, moving up to six and picking up 39. If Sonny Styles is on the board with where this team is at right now, and even if they get one of these guys in free agency, that, that's still out there, I pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat. And, you know, you, you build through that and you still get a second round pick you can get. There are so many corners that you can get. Because I think that would be the other one that we're looking at now too, is corner do it. Can they get a veteran guy to come in there? And even if they don't, if they want to look through the draft, you know, a guy like Chris Johnson from San Diego State, I think would be fantastic there. If Colton Hood from Tennessee makes it there, I think they'd be super happy with that. So there are going to be guys that you can get there if in that scenario, whether it's 20 or whether it's 39, in that hypothetical trade where you can get a corner that can come in and play, I ain't changing nothing.

Kyle Yeomans (5:50)

Nothing at all.

Vach Lombardi (5:50)

Changing nothing. 12 come around. I'm taking the best dude I could possibly get at 12. I think the board's gonna make you do that. And by the time we get to 20, the board will open up a little bit more and just take the best dude at need at 20 and just kind of figure out whatever later. I mean, just imagine last year if the Cowboys, they didn't get a chance to draft McMillan, right? And they instead say, but we gotta go get a receiver right now. And maybe they overdraft the receiver and they didn't go true to their board. And you miss out on Booker, who' solid and great in year, in year two, more than likely. I don't want to overshoot anything, just go through the draft and like the Cowboys did last year, hey, y', all, draft is over. We still need receiver. Then they'll go and do something afterwards to go address receiver. I just want to go into the draft and get the two best dudes at 12 and 20 that I possibly can. When we get the 114 and beyond, we'll figure it out from there. But I don't want to overdo nothing. Same old, same old for me.

Kyle Yeomans (6:44)

Does it change anything with the moves? You kind of alluded this a little bit earlier, Nick, but does this Change anything with the moves they've already made saying, hey, maybe linebacker is the number one need in the draft or can they make a move today that changes your mentality? If they go sign a solid linebacker, if they go get a corner, if they go get a another safety to kind of pair with Jalen Thompson. Are we able to read the tea leaves a little bit on what they're thinking and leaning in terms of what the draft class is going to provide them?

Nick Harris (7:14)

I don't think that they have a thought process as far as hey, we are going to do this in free agency because the draft is this. I think it is truthfully. We're going to go do what we can in free agency. Whatever we can address. Here's the draft. Does that make sense? Completely separate conversation. And so at the end of the day, you know, it could look a lot different than it looks right now. I tweeted out last night the only three off ball linebackers on this team right now are demarving overshone. Shemar James and Justin Baron. So there's, there's a lot those three guys, hey, shoddy Justin Baron in Indianapolis. And maybe we should have put more stock into that, please. But yeah, they have to, they have to address this linebacker spot. No doubt. And I look, let's say that they do bring in a guy that has green dot capabilities and you are comfortable with that. They still need to go get a linebacker. And so it's, it's not going to change the need there. You know, I still think you, Rashawn Gary doesn't change the need. If there's an edge there at 12. It doesn't. And so you know, if there is a Reuben Bane sitting there for you at 12 or if there's a throw another one out there, I don't know why I'm blank. David Bailey, if some somehow he slips to 12. Absolutely. You're running to the, you're running that card in. So it doesn't necessarily change your needs at all. No.

Kyle Yeomans (8:24)

Is that the right way to look at it?

Vach Lombardi (8:26)

Should be.

Nick Harris (8:27)

I feel like. Yeah, yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (8:29)

I think I'm just making sure. Yeah. I feel like playing devil's advocate trying to create conversation.

Nick Harris (8:34)

My bad, my bad.

Kyle Yeomans (8:35)

That's fine.

Vach Lombardi (8:36)

The damn devil is making sure so good.

Tommy Yarish (8:38)

That's good. And like you mentioned, Devil is a liar. If you get to a point where after the draft is over too and you're sitting there, oh man, we still need a wide receiver. You can still make moves for one. You can still go trade for somebody.

Vach Lombardi (8:49)

Kyle, let Me tell you something. If David Bailey get caught with drugs in his trunk and he fall to 12 and team suck at drafting and Ruben bane fall to 20. We just added two edges to the. We just added some edges. We need linebacker, we need safety, we need corner. We'll figure it out. But damn, dog, we got bangin and Bailey no matter how it falls. I think and look, I said this before, I'm saying it again, man, I don't want to be the coward that's making hypothetical trace. Oh, well, let's call Cleveland and get on the phone and go get six and then we'll get stopped. Man, that's cool. I imagine the Cowboys gonna stay at 12 if they move cool. I imagine they gonna stay@12 if my last name was Jones McLay, what am I doing there if I have to sit there and make a pick? I need linebacker, y'. All. But the best players on the board are corner, edge, safety, whatever, dog. I'm just gonna have to pass on linebacker and I'll figure out linebacker later. You know what I mean?

Kyle Yeomans (9:41)

Kind of like what they did with wide receiver last year and then traded for George Pickens.

Vach Lombardi (9:44)

Exactly what they did.

Kyle Yeomans (9:44)

Wide receiver, same kind of thing. And we're seeing clips of David B. At some point. All of the guys that are locks to be big man in the top 10. Yeah, big man touchdown. The guys that are going to be in the locks to be top 10 because there's about 15 guys that are locked to be inside the top 10. Somebody's going to fall. I don't know if it's going to be the drug in the trunk type of situation that you just mentioned.

Vach Lombardi (10:06)

Of course it won't be, but we

Nick Harris (10:09)

have something to do with it.

Kyle Yeomans (10:09)

Yeah, we got some. Got some people.

Vach Lombardi (10:12)

Officer,

Nick Harris (10:16)

I got a tip for you

Kyle Yeomans (10:17)

pointing at this guy. Is there, is there anybody that you're seeing or hearing of right now that could fall in the regards of a Bailey or a Bain or somebody like that because of maybe the short arms from Bang?

Nick Harris (10:31)

Yeah, I think the Bain's.

Kyle Yeomans (10:32)

Is that the number one thing?

Nick Harris (10:33)

I think Bain is probably the likely scenario of the guys we talked about. I will say though. And there's things that are happening above Dallas in the top 11 picks that I think are worth noting as well. Kansas City has lost every single corner basically that they have.

Kyle Yeomans (10:46)

Yeah, for sure.

Nick Harris (10:47)

Delane slipping to 12 is all of a sudden not as likely as it was before yesterday.

Vach Lombardi (10:51)

But they running back Mike.

Nick Harris (10:52)

But that. That running back might. But also the running back I think could get Taken by the Titans or the Giants. And so there's, There's a lot of situations that I think are playing into it and you wonder how they end up, how the board ends up falling. But I think Reuben Bane, as the days go by and you talk to more and more people, it sounds like there's a better chance that Reuben Bane is there. It sounds like there's a better chance. And there was a, A article that Mike Sando of the Athletic put out where he talked to five executives at the combine and anonymously and he was like, hey, give me who you think is going to get drafted. Top 10. Four of the five had Keldrick Falk in the top 10.

Kyle Yeomans (11:29)

Wow.

Nick Harris (11:30)

Yeah. And that there was. There was a lot of oddities in that article, but that was too. Right. Peter woods was. Yeah, three of the five. I believe Peter woods. And I like Peter woods, too. I don't like that. I don't know if I like him top 12.

Kyle Yeomans (11:40)

I mean, either.

Nick Harris (11:41)

If you needed a defensive tackle, I would say take them at 20.

Vach Lombardi (11:44)

Yeah.

Nick Harris (11:45)

But I think you're going to have so many good players right there at 20 that where it's kind of splitting hairs. And that's where you split the hair is like, okay, the defensive tackle roster is really solid. But yeah, I think Ruben Bane might be your best scenario at 12 in a fall situation.

Kyle Yeomans (11:59)

Okay, so let's say Delane does go early because teams need corners early. The number one names that everybody's looking at, the downs, the Baileys, the Baines, the Styles, all go and you get semi wiped out, but not completely wiped out, and you've already signed a safety. Would you still be okay drafting Dylan Theeneman out of Oregon at 12?

Nick Harris (12:21)

100%.

Kyle Yeomans (12:22)

You would still be okay there.

Vach Lombardi (12:23)

I would not.

Nick Harris (12:24)

Why is that?

Vach Lombardi (12:25)

Because he's a two on my board and I know he ran well at the combine, but I thought he ran fine on film. I don't want to bump him a whole day. And look, just because he's a two on my board doesn't mean he won't get drafted in the first round. Like on my top 50 stack, he's my 19th guy. You know what I'm saying? So I just wouldn't want to skip over other guys that I have ranked. Ranked higher than him just because, oh, well, he has draft hype now. You understand what I'm saying? Like, I got him as a second round graded guy. I don't want to take him at 12. If I got him as a second round graded guy, especially if I got a first round grader or a better dude, you know, in front of him. You see what I'm saying?

Kyle Yeomans (12:59)

Yeah. I have him as a first round grade but I appreciate the standing on the board for it and believing in your eyes because that's what this is all about. But even if, let's say he has picked one or the other times, we've got the draft magazine coming out in a couple of weeks and there's a very good chance you're going to see the green and yellow of Dylan the Enemy on the COVID of it. Because I do think there's a strong chance there's interest there. Even with the signing of Jalen Thompson, where would he fit if he ended up being a pick for Dallas?

Nick Harris (13:28)

Yes.

Vach Lombardi (13:29)

Do they fit together wherever Thompson is not thienam is going to the other spot.

Kyle Yeomans (13:33)

And that goes to the versatility that Christian Parker wants, right?

Nick Harris (13:36)

Yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (13:36)

Where they can use both of those guys in different, different ways.

Nick Harris (13:39)

Yeah. And it may alleviate the issues that you're going to have at linebacker. Those guys shouldn't be playing linebacker, but I think it can alleviate the issues by having both of them.

Vach Lombardi (13:48)

Yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (13:49)

When it comes to the edge rusher spot, do you need anybody different than the type of player you're getting from Rashan Gary? Do you need a speed rusher? Do you need a power rusher? Who are you looking for now and does that change a little bit with his acquisition?

Vach Lombardi (14:04)

Gary's your power rusher now and he's a, he's a run game guy for you now. You know what I'm saying? So if you want somebody that's bendy and look man, he got some, some athleticism for 277 and you know we got a pass rush specialist in the house now, so ain't no telling what's gonna happen with Gary after coach BT Jordan. Jordan gets.

Kyle Yeomans (14:24)

They worked together previously, right?

Vach Lombardi (14:26)

Correct.

Nick Harris (14:26)

Every offseason for the last seven years.

Vach Lombardi (14:28)

Sure. But I really think you're open to add whoever you want to add. Of course not the bigger falk type cats or whatever, but as far as a rushing linebacker type dude, I think whether that dude is bendy or whether that dude is a power so bendy like Howell from A and M, height from Tech or if they're like a more of a power dude like Mesador from Miami or whatever, I think you'll be fine just adding dudes. I think if it's Gary, Donvan Nezoraku, some draft cat and maybe a cheap free agent dude, Sam Williams, that's James Houston or whatever. Okay, James Houston. I think the Cowboys would roll that out and feel good about it. I think Cowboy Nation would love to add another, bigger name, better dude to that. But I think personally, the Cowboys will feel fine with that group of six dud.

Kyle Yeomans (15:16)

Not going to address any other free agent. Ed Dresher. Big name guys. Let's. I mean, Trey Hendrickson is the elephant in the room. That's the one everybody wants to see. If they don't find the number that's right there, they're going to have to address something else before going into the draft. Right, Tommy? Because I think you got to at least fix whatever's on the back end with linebacker or corner or whatever. If you don't anticipate to have another blue chip edge rusher.

Tommy Yarish (15:39)

Yeah, you have to, because it's the pass rushers that make everybody else's job easier. So if you're. If you say to yourself, look, we recognize we may not have the best pass rush unit out there, then we need guys at the second level and the third level who can not make up for it necessarily, but still be able to hold down the fort. So that's why linebacker, you're looking at everything right now, and that's why it's probably your biggest, neatest thing, Stan. But I still think you need a couple of corners. And, you know, whether it be free agency or if you want to use 12 on a guy, I struggle seeing who it would be if Delane is off the board because I don't feel good about, you know, the Cowboys taking McCoy. I don't think they're in the market for players coming off of injury. But, yeah, I would say corner and linebacker pretty quickly become those two positions where you're looking to add some more.

Vach Lombardi (16:26)

To your point, Kyle, I will say Gary may not stop you from drafting another edge. Let's just say a 20, because 12 can be anything Hendrickson does.

Kyle Yeomans (16:34)

Yeah, I think it would.

Vach Lombardi (16:35)

Hendrickson does. Now, if Bain is the best player available at 12, I'm not playing around with 12 a whole bunch. Yeah, just take.

Kyle Yeomans (16:42)

Just take the player.

Vach Lombardi (16:43)

Take Bane. Look, we got Gary Bane and we just got a full room now. It just is what it is.

Kyle Yeomans (16:48)

We'll be Seattle in that regard, which I'm okay with.

Vach Lombardi (16:50)

We'll just be Seattle. But I think at 20, I think all those names that you got written down at 20, assuming that Hendrickson gets here, I don't think so. But those. Those names go away in my opinion. And that probably has to be linebacker or safety at that point.

Kyle Yeomans (17:02)

Yeah. All right, let's take our first break. When we come back, it's Twitter on the 20. But later in the show, because of the new need or the growing need at linebacker, we're going to dive deep into this linebacker class with some linebacker superlatives on our film study that we've had as of late. More of the draft show to come right after this.

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Nick Harris (21:18)

So we're trying to get Tommy to fight more on this show, right? And Vodch very quietly sneak dissed him in the last what I say. And Tommy, Tommy pointed it out in the break and so we need to get it addressed right here. So tale of the tape right here. Tommy had thrown out the Cleveland trade about going up to six and getting 39, which is fair. And not five minutes later, Marty to my left, goes over here, says that's a coward move. So Tommy, tell them why. You're not a coward. Tell them why. First of all, stand on the table.

Vach Lombardi (21:44)

You are, you are not a good instigator with this voice buffer, Bruce Buffer.

Kyle Yeomans (21:48)

I feel like that was his best.

Tommy Yarish (21:49)

Kyle, I thought that's pretty solid. Hey look, you know you're next.

Nick Harris (21:55)

Let him finish. I'm coming.

Tommy Yarish (21:56)

You can call me whatever you'd like. I was Just throwing an option out there. I got nothing but love for vouch. I just hate that I got sneak dissed for for no reason.

Nick Harris (22:03)

Tell him why it's not cowardly. Tell him why it's not cowardly.

Tommy Yarish (22:06)

I don't think it's cowardly. Go get.

Nick Harris (22:07)

Tell him why he's a coward.

Tommy Yarish (22:08)

You get no, he's not. I don't want to disrespect my guy, but you, I'm good.

Vach Lombardi (22:12)

We talking.

Tommy Yarish (22:13)

You go and get one of the best players in the draft. I got no problem with that.

Vach Lombardi (22:16)

Tommy, I wasn't talking about you specifically, but for the.

Nick Harris (22:19)

Sounded like it.

Vach Lombardi (22:19)

But for the sake of content, we got the fighting. But for the sake of content, fine, Sure. I just don't like this world where we get uncomfortable and we. And this. This is if you want to be you, but it's for anybody, right? Where we get uncomfortable with a trade scenario or just a draft board scenario and we go straight to all right, if I was in a pff mock or something, what would I do? Well, I would trade back and I hate my drafts. That got 15 picks on them.

Nick Harris (22:45)

That does annoy me because they didn't

Vach Lombardi (22:46)

trade back a hundred. That ain't real life to me. What now? If the Cowboys trade up or down, we're either gonna be shaking hands, fist pumping, going to jail, whatever. But what I like to do is I like to get comfortable with the idea of I hate picking here. What would I do? You know what I'm saying?

Kyle Yeomans (23:02)

I don't think.

Vach Lombardi (23:03)

Hey, Cleveland, six overall, boy, boy, I know y' all would love Sonny Styles right now. We would too. Would you like to draft later? And look, gimme another one of your picks too, by the way. Give me another one of the day. Two picks that you want and six overall. It makes sense on the trade value chart, but come on, let us get Sonny Styles or downs or something. If I'm Cleveland, I'm hanging up the phone.

Nick Harris (23:25)

Cleveland wants to parachute out.

Vach Lombardi (23:27)

Good. Shouts out to them. If they do it, fine. If I'm Cleveland, I don't know what they owner, general manager name is, what the name is.

Nick Harris (23:34)

I know you know, I don't.

Vach Lombardi (23:36)

Don't worry about it.

Kyle Yeomans (23:36)

It's the Brown.

Nick Harris (23:37)

It changes every two years because they suck at drafting.

Vach Lombardi (23:40)

If my last name was Brown and the Cowboys call me with that nonsense.

Kyle Yeomans (23:43)

Brown's name was Brown.

Vach Lombardi (23:45)

I'm going to take the best dude I could get at 6 and say F off. I'm sticking right here. So as cowboy guy, I don't Want to. I don't, I don't, I don't like the recreational mocks the recreational trade.

Nick Harris (23:57)

I don't think this is recreational. I think this is a very valid trade. That cut.

Tommy Yarish (24:00)

I would agree. Would you do it if Cleveland. Cleveland gets three first round picks of that trade.

Vach Lombardi (24:03)

If you was Cleveland, would you do.

Nick Harris (24:04)

We're not worried about Cleveland.

Vach Lombardi (24:05)

If you Cleveland, no.

Nick Harris (24:06)

But Cleveland has already mentioned they want to parachute out.

Vach Lombardi (24:09)

But why wouldn't you.

Nick Harris (24:10)

This has nothing to do with it.

Vach Lombardi (24:11)

If you was Cleveland, if your last name was Brown, would you do it?

Nick Harris (24:13)

They have already mentioned that they want to parachute out.

Tommy Yarish (24:16)

If you're telling me I get three first round picks.

Vach Lombardi (24:18)

Tommy, if your last name was.

Tommy Yarish (24:19)

You have a young team and you did you drafted as well.

Vach Lombardi (24:22)

Y' all want to fight? If your last name was Brown, you

Kyle Yeomans (24:25)

were Mr. Cleveland Brown.

Tommy Yarish (24:26)

Three first round picks in this draft. With this trade, you get three first rounds.

Vach Lombardi (24:29)

Let me lean forward because Jerry Madden would tell me to lean forward when I make a good one time.

Tommy Yarish (24:33)

Yes, sir.

Vach Lombardi (24:34)

You talk on this show all day about how much you like Styles and Downs and Bailey and all those guys. You telling me you want to trade away from them dudes? How many first round grades you. You, you have on your board?

Tommy Yarish (24:46)

Probably about put me on the spot here. 12.

Vach Lombardi (24:49)

You want to get, you want to get out that range. You want to go. I think that's the big point too. Any other draft, yeah, Cleveland, I'll parachute out and still get.

Kyle Yeomans (24:58)

Still got 18 first rounds.

Nick Harris (24:59)

I think we're getting misconstrued If I

Vach Lombardi (25:00)

got 18 first round grades.

Nick Harris (25:01)

I think we're getting misconstrued here. The question is not if, if we think Cleveland should. The question, the question here is if we think the Cowboys should, which is a yes.

Vach Lombardi (25:10)

I think it's all nonsense and it's a way to get away from the exercise of we've gotten wiped out and I want Styles real bad. I want Styles real bad. So let me come up with a scenario to get the Browns from moving away from Styles or to get the Browns from moving away from downs. If every draft is different, I just, I just looked it up every day. The other day, what's my pass rusher with the Rams? Florida State, where he. Jared Verse. Jared verse. He was 19th overall.

Kyle Yeomans (25:36)

Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (25:37)

This draft's so different from that. This draft is so different from that. So If I got 12 first round grades and Mendoza may be 13, but I ain't looking at quarterbacks or whatever, I'm the Browns, I'm moving out of the range of the elite dudes. Because the Cowboys want one Cleveland Browns

Nick Harris (25:53)

known good drafting organization. That's what I'm saying. It's like they've already mentioned they want to parry.

Kyle Yeomans (25:57)

If that's the case, get more darts for the dartboard.

Vach Lombardi (26:00)

I think the opposite. If I'm a team that's bad at drafting, I'm hitting on the better dude.

Kyle Yeomans (26:05)

Makes sense.

Vach Lombardi (26:06)

I don't want the picks in the 12s and 20s where I miss.

Nick Harris (26:08)

I was being sarcastic.

Vach Lombardi (26:10)

It's cool. We talking. You know what I'm saying?

Nick Harris (26:12)

They suck at drafting.

Vach Lombardi (26:13)

They probably do, but they probably won't. They ain't miss on Miles Garrett because it was right there for him, first overall.

Nick Harris (26:19)

He would hope so.

Vach Lombardi (26:20)

And in this class, I feel good about six and the Cowboys want to feel great about six.

Nick Harris (26:24)

For sure, man.

Vach Lombardi (26:25)

Please, you don't have to get. What you doing, Kyle. Trying to take pictures of us?

Kyle Yeomans (26:29)

No, I wanted to bring it into the round so we could get into Twitter on the Twitter twin.

Vach Lombardi (26:35)

Go ahead. Twitter on the twin. Look.

Kyle Yeomans (26:36)

Great.

Vach Lombardi (26:37)

Good. Good job instigating. Great fight. Good job getting us back on track.

Nick Harris (26:41)

Yeah, the referee got in the mix here.

Kyle Yeomans (26:45)

It was an ad.

Chris Beam (26:45)

Sorry.

Kyle Yeomans (26:46)

Time now for some Twitter on the 20.

Vach Lombardi (26:49)

Bean, if you were the Browns, would you trade back? Time out. Let Chris Bean talk. Chris Bean, if you was the Browns with six overall, would you trade out of your first round grades for Dallas? What'd he say?

Kyle Yeomans (27:05)

Yeah, he wouldn't do it.

Vach Lombardi (27:06)

Appreciate you being.

Kyle Yeomans (27:07)

I don't think I would either.

Tommy Yarish (27:09)

I'm taking three first round picks.

Kyle Yeomans (27:11)

All right.

Vach Lombardi (27:11)

Yeah, cool. Go, go take Peter woods or something while we got shiny.

Tommy Yarish (27:17)

They need quantity and quality, not quality.

Vach Lombardi (27:20)

Yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (27:22)

So Ismael brings up a conversation with what the Cowboys have already done in free agency and with the lack of. Of linebackers there. How about a dream scenario for you guys? And what would end up happening if these three names were on the board at 12? Sonny or 6. Maybe it's more likely that this is actually more likely at six. So let's. Let's. Let's throw that in the. In the possible equation too. Sonny Stiles, Reuben Bain, Caleb Downs are on the board.

Vach Lombardi (27:50)

Oh, them dudes gone as well.

Kyle Yeomans (27:52)

So let's say it's at six.

Vach Lombardi (27:53)

Okay, so say it again.

Kyle Yeomans (27:55)

All three of those guys, with what you've already done, adding a safety, adding an edge, rusher, Sonny Styles, Ruben bang. Caleb Downs. Who are you taking out of that?

Vach Lombardi (28:02)

Downs is the highest player on my board out of that group.

Tommy Yarish (28:04)

So I'm going Downs Downs as well.

Kyle Yeomans (28:06)

Yeah, a little bit of a pause.

Nick Harris (28:09)

It's just because I've been thinking over the last, like, week and a half, I need to see these second check medicals on downs. I know everyone's trying to like, which is fair. Throw it out and throw it away. It could be an agent working overtime. And so that's where I'm having a little bit of pause. I'm saying downs right now, but I want to see the second medicals, and

Kyle Yeomans (28:25)

I don't blame you for doing so. We're taking a look at some of the downs film here from actually the College Football Playoff against Miami. But do you think at any point on draft weekend, it's possible that those second medicals start kind of emerging and his name does start slipping even further than what Dallas would be willing to take at 12 is there with the background of this injury, do you think it's enough to scare teams that much?

Nick Harris (28:48)

I don't. I don't. I don't think so. Okay. I don't think so. It depends on how bad, like, how much time he'll miss with the partially torn meniscus, if that's ends up being something legitimate. But as we've laid out on the show, the potentially degenerative acl, it can mean a lot of things, and teams look at that differently. And it just kind of depends on how the Cowboys look at it at the end of the day.

Kyle Yeomans (29:09)

Yeah, no, go ahead. Next question is, MC wants to know what is everyone's thoughts on the capability of Styles possibly wearing a green dot in his rookie year? Do you think he has that ability based on the conversations that you've had?

Nick Harris (29:24)

100,000% he's worn the green dot for the last two years.

Kyle Yeomans (29:27)

Think so.

Tommy Yarish (29:28)

Completely agree with Nick.

Vach Lombardi (29:29)

He can do it, but I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't like it. You know, I'm not the biggest fan of putting all the responsibility on the young guys. That's what I like about the Thompson signing for the Cowboys is that the nickel position is supposed to be the most. It's the biggest thing out of everything. Right. I wouldn't want to take all that responsibility and put that on the young guy. I like the idea of having Thompson, whether it be two or three years, however long, and then whoever the rookie he is, step in after that to kind of take over everything. And I would say the same about linebacker, but if you wiped out and you miss all the linebackers in free agency and you ain't got no damn choice, then, yeah, let. Let Him. Let him. Let him do it. Let Sonny do it.

Kyle Yeomans (30:06)

There you go. Smalls wants to know, Smalls, how do the moves in free agencies affect 1 through 11, possibly and who might end up dropping to 12? You kind of alluded to one or two of those possibilities. Do you mind running through to top? Top one through 11?

Nick Harris (30:21)

Yeah. Well, I'll say this about the Titans. The Titans surely loaded up on the defensive side of the ball. I think that helps you. The Raiders certainly loaded up on the defensive side of the ball. Not that they would have taken anyone other than Fernando Ben Doza at number one overall. The Chiefs are going to need a corner. So you probably lose a corner at number nine overall. Trying to think of some other teams in the mix there.

Vach Lombardi (30:41)

Just probably locked in with Reese. Probably.

Nick Harris (30:45)

Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What does Arizona need? Yes.

Kyle Yeomans (30:50)

Offensive line probably the most.

Vach Lombardi (30:52)

Yes.

Kyle Yeomans (30:53)

I think that might be where you see Maanoa go.

Nick Harris (30:56)

Mao. It just depends on which. Which tackle they feel.

Kyle Yeomans (30:59)

Yeah. Either him or Fano. Like or Freeling.

Nick Harris (31:01)

I think we've seen Freeling start to get some top 10 level.

Kyle Yeomans (31:04)

Can you tell me about him a little bit? We haven't talked about him enough.

Nick Harris (31:06)

Yeah. Monroe Freeling off at the tackle out of Georgia has tested off the charts. Really consistent, reliable during his time in Athens as well. He's just got the required size. He's got the more than the required athleticism.

Tommy Yarish (31:19)

Yeah.

Nick Harris (31:19)

I think it was a four nine one that he ran at the combine and it's a guy that's shooting up guys draft or teams, draft boards. I can see him going top 10 if a team really falls in love with him that you. You hope for that if you're the Cowboys. 100%.

Kyle Yeomans (31:31)

Yeah. I mean you talk about guys who maybe didn't have the same kind of backing as some of the guys that have come before him like Marius Mims and Broderick Jones, some of those guys that were one year starters at Georgia. He brings that. That same kind of punch. I really liked watching him play. Moves laterally as well as anybody at the position. His footwork and balance are very stout. Knows how to mirror really well at the line of scrimmage a lot. Frame doesn't feel maxed out quite yet too. I think he could still kind of tack on a little bit of extra poundage there. Six foot seven and change and he's got some. He's got some room to grow. Could still add some more weight and expand. Expand. That athletic profile is what I had here. I said the hands kind of need A little bit more work. He miss his placements out wide especially a couple times it gets ripped away because of it. But really good player overall and like you said, the athleticism already off the charts. But he can still add mass and then if he adds mass and I think it's a, it's a, it's a wash. He's going to be one of the better developmental guys in the draft. So somebody needs offensive lineman there up in the top 10. I think that's a possibility.

Vach Lombardi (32:35)

That's some weight room too. Nick, let me ask, what do you think him being like not the only but like one of the only pure left tackles matter where teams kind of view him.

Nick Harris (32:45)

Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (32:46)

Because some teams may have Malo as a guard, some teams may see Fano as a one sided guy or they may not like Proctor and his movement or whatever.

Nick Harris (32:53)

Yeah. As well. I think you can throw it in the mix. Yeah. I think that plays a big factor into it if you're looking for a guy that can protect you for the long term. I think Monroe Freeling gives you that. Gives you that ability to do that.

Kyle Yeomans (33:03)

Where do you have Ihana Chor second round.

Vach Lombardi (33:06)

I got second round on him.

Nick Harris (33:06)

Yeah, I like him. I like him a lot. I. I've seen a few respected mocks that have him going back in first round.

Kyle Yeomans (33:11)

Wow.

Nick Harris (33:12)

So. So yeah, I'm curious to see where he ends up playing.

Kyle Yeomans (33:14)

I keep having he's touching tags with Caleb Lomu from Utah with me, I like Lomu a lot as well. And I think those two guys kind of have gone back and forth for me.

Vach Lombardi (33:25)

You want to know one thing that'll really separate how you feel about Max and Caleb is watch how they both handle the tech guys. Common opponents, that's a good idea. Common opponents means a whole bunch to me. And Maxi Honuchor kind of got whooped on a little early, but I feel like he adapted because he has fantastic feet by the way. So he kind of fix it a little bit later. Mellow height. I'll say it till I'm blowing the face and we on to the next draft class. Put hands and feet, elbows and knees on Lomu and I was like damn dog adjust. And he didn't. But to Fano's point, Thanos had a really good day against Baylor. So that's why I got Fano a little. Yeah, he did it decent day against Bay. Baylor still got his.

Nick Harris (34:02)

But how do you feel about Romello Hype?

Vach Lombardi (34:05)

I like Melo so much and I don't care that he's our age, you know, or my age. Cause you're younger than me. I think he has a really good feel for how to pass rush and I love nuances a lot more than other people. Some people like the actual physical traits more and I think he has fantastic physical traits. But he knows how to like set up rushes. He know like you'll watch him set something up in the first and second quarter and then timely in the fourth, boom, he'll hit you with it. And I love that so much about any rusher, especially him. Cause he's 29 years. How old is he? 25? 26.

Nick Harris (34:36)

He's 25. Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (34:37)

He's an old dude and the more ball that you play, you just pick up on these things, you know. So some teams may covet the 20 year old with a lot more room to grow, but I value Melo a bunch and he's a second round guy for me behind Cashes.

Nick Harris (34:51)

He'll be, he'll turn 25 the week before the draft. The thing I ask is the six years in college, four different institutions. He had a really good season at Texas Tech, but it didn't really explode for him until the year before at Georgia Tech. So yeah, I just, I, I, I wonder about guys who go to four schools. You know that, that, that is concerning I think at the next level. But I think you see the consistency and you're right. I think he, he has pass rush plan which I think is what you kind of laid out there. And, and that's really important.

Tommy Yarish (35:21)

He might bring in a little bit smaller than y' all thought. Did come in a little bit smaller than you thought. 6, 2, 2, 34.

Nick Harris (35:28)

Yeah. Cause he's listed at 6, 3, 2, 40 on Texas Tech website.

Tommy Yarish (35:32)

So yeah, a little bit smaller. That was, I mean it wasn't a deal breaker for me. I still, I've got a high third on him. But, but I mean his pursuit suit is great. I mean his motor is fantastic. You've seen it on some of these clips here. He just is relentless unfortunately getting after my guy Connor Wigman there. But the fact that it took until this year really for things to blow up. The lone question I have is it, did it happen because of Bailey and Lee Hunter? Is that why we started to see him take off this year? Regardless, I think technically he's a great player and you've got the motor to mirror it, but that's, that's what will worry me. And up against the bigger, stronger tackles, is he going to be able to power through it?

Kyle Yeomans (36:12)

I would argue, I would argue that he took off at Georgia Tech and he may have done it at UFC or USC the year before that, but he had shoulder injuries, he missed a lot of time at usc. And so I think when it comes to his production, it was consistent. And then it may have taken a step forward because of Lee or Lee Hunter and because of David Bailey. I think they have plenty of opportunities, opportunities around him. And you got a badass linebacker behind

Vach Lombardi (36:39)

you as well also too though. Kyle and Tommy too, or just anybody's listening. I played center back in the day, right? And this is the one thing that I hate the most about my football career. I didn't learn how to really down block until the last play of my last game that I ever played. You never know when you gonna get the moment of clarity.

Kyle Yeomans (36:59)

It's gonna click.

Vach Lombardi (37:00)

You never know what rep is gonna be. But there's like this little push pull technique that helps with your down block and whatever. I never understood it, but the last drive of my last game, I'll never forget it. I cuss real loud. I was like cuss word. That's it. But I'm done playing football now, you know what I'm saying? So in terms of mellow height and how that's in reference to this convo, he could be a seventh year player. If you got it, if you got it on that last year and I see that you got it and you consistently doing it, it versus competition, then you got it. I don't care that you didn't know it your second year or your third year for you, it may just take longer than somebody else to like learn how to do stuff in a game. Cuz we can learn stuff at practice, but doing it in a game where it's like muscle memory and it's on film that he's doing it. So shouts out to him for doing it. At 26 or whatever, 25 years old,

Nick Harris (37:50)

he, he just has to be ready to hit the ground running because like look at last year's draft class for example. Like Savone Revel doesn't have a lot of time because he's approaching 26 years old at this point. Shemar James, 20 when he arrived in the building. He's got a lot of time to figure it out. So it's just, you know, it's kind of the juxtaposition on age and how you value that in the draft.

Vach Lombardi (38:08)

Would you guys think that the, that the Joneses are going to think about the next three to four to five years for a player as opposed to the next 12 years. Like, do y' all think that'll. That'll matter here? Like, if I'm. If I'm. If I have a quarterback that's older and we feel like our window is three to five years. Right, Right. Would I then go, hey, I normally like younger players and a 12 year outlook, but because of the shorter window now I'll take a dude that's older because we not thinking long term. For real. We trying to win games in the next three to five years.

Kyle Yeomans (38:40)

Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (38:40)

So Melo being 30 by the time we at the end of our window doesn't matter as much to me.

Kyle Yeomans (38:44)

I. I think that could play a factor. But they've also had success drafting the younger guys 1000 early too. I mean, you think about Tyler Smith and Tyler Booker. Both of those guys were young, young when they were drafted. I mean, Booker's still young, and Tyler to a certain extent, still young too. And they've had success. Those are some of their better hits in the first round as of late. So I think it could kind of go both ways. But I'm just. I see what you're saying, and I think, yes, in terms of what they have in the past, I think they would be more open to doing so. Final question for Twitter on the 20. Jake wants to know. Before the combine, when wipeout scenarios were discussed, it felt like the fallback option was always Jermob McCoy, the corner out of Tennessee. But now that we know what his medicals are and what is not going to be an option with him as a fallback scenario, who else could be the fallback and wipeout scenario if the top defensive prospects are gone off the board?

Vach Lombardi (39:33)

Somebody on offense.

Nick Harris (39:35)

We've talked about Dylan Thieman quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. So Dylan Thienaman. I don't even think that's a wipeout scenario. I think I'm more than okay with it. Here you go, 12. He's gonna end up being my last first round. Okay. So he may end up being the last one left on the board when 12 gets around.

Kyle Yeomans (39:50)

Maybe. Might be. What? What? Who would be your fallback? You said offensive guy there.

Vach Lombardi (39:57)

I just don't want to mess around with the board too much, you know what I'm saying? If it's the right tackle from Miami and I know Terrence just did his thing, hey, man, just take the best dudes and figure it out later. Take the best. Oh, I'm not opposed to going wide receiver. I'm. I'm not. I'm not. Take the best guy. Carnell Tate will be fun here. He'll be. He'll be phenomenal. Look at Nick Face. He'll be phenomenal here. D. Know just what to do with a Carnell Tate type guy. Please. CD Lamb a gotta lead a slide as y' all crazy.

Tommy Yarish (40:25)

Yeah, I'm with Vodch. I think you take the best guy that's there at that point, if. If you're just completely wiped out. Nothing in front of you. You. You stick to your board and trust it.

Nick Harris (40:35)

I mean, we might get a copyright strike for playing the entire Cotton bowl in this episode. We talked about so many Ohio State guys. It's been. It's been a pleasure. Pleasure.

Kyle Yeomans (40:41)

It is. All the. The TV copy. Sorry. Espn. I'm contracted. They can. They can find it on my contract, I guess

Vach Lombardi (40:50)

you say what? There you go.

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Get off. Get off. Yeah, I got that insurance package. All right.

Tommy Yarish (40:56)

Contracted.

Kyle Yeomans (40:57)

When we come back here. When we come back here. On the draft show.

Vach Lombardi (41:01)

I work at YouTube.

Kyle Yeomans (41:02)

Let's talk about agency.

Nick Harris (41:03)

Came early.

Vach Lombardi (41:03)

Yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (41:03)

You can help us out in that regard.

Vach Lombardi (41:05)

I'd be.

Kyle Yeomans (41:05)

Damn linebacker. Draft superlatives. Who were the most technically skilled? Biggest upside linebacker, biggest risk linebacker, and most likely to become a cowboy. Now with the need at linebacker more glaring now than ever. More of the draft show right after this.

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Nick Harris (45:28)

Yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (45:28)

You traded for Rashawn Gary, you signed Jalen Thompson, they made moves and the same message was displayed this morning on Talking Cowboys. But I really do think they have made some significant strides at least in day one. Are they the biggest spenders? No. Are they the biggest winners so far? The legal tampering period? No. But they also didn't have necessarily the capital to do that. But what they do have are two first round picks and one of those right now seems like it is headed straight for linebacker. So let's dive deep into the linebacker position. Let me be very clear, this does not have to be first round caliber players. This can be any linebacker that you've evaluated at any point. Let's name some linebacker draft superlatives. Some of these will be self explanatory, other ones will not be and we can go dive deeper a little bit into it. But let's start with the most technically skilled linebacker in the draft class that you've watched so far. Thomas.

Tommy Yarish (46:24)

Me.

Kyle Yeomans (46:24)

I'll let you start.

Tommy Yarish (46:26)

It's tough for me, but I'll go with. Can I get a tie? I'll do tie between CJ Allen and Jacob Rodriguez. CJ Allen from Georgia, Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech. I mean George has been a linebacker factory for the last decade so and C.J. allen's kind of the next in line. And then I know you scout the player, not the helmet, but he just is always, he reads everything very well. He's in the right places at the right time and he just plays the position at a really high level. And then Rodriguez too does all those same things. But what, what sticks out about Rodriguez is his punch for the ball, his constant seeking of trying to get his hands on it. You see the pass breakup there. But his technique in trying to knock the ball free and always making a play on it and punching at it is phenomenal. And that production certainly flourished last season for Texas Tech. You just see him, his eyes right there on that play too, unfortunately. Picking off my guy, Connor Wigman. Again, why so many Connor Wigman, Lowlights, man, he was fantastic last year. Who did it with Timmy Houston, quarterback

Nick Harris (47:25)

six round next year.

Vach Lombardi (47:26)

Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't know the people first

Tommy Yarish (47:27)

overall, but yeah, I would go with with those two guys, I think they do it really well.

Nick Harris (47:34)

I am going to roll with Torian York, linebacker out of Texas A and M. Not only some of the lowest missed tackle numbers in the entire class at the linebacker position, but you look at his coverage and I he is so sound in the middle of the field. He's green dotted that Texas A and M defense. He came in as like a throw in recruit at Texas A and M very late in the process just because they had a spot open up. And he immediately played as a freshman and got all SEC freshman team honors. This guy can handle communication in the middle. He understands passing lanes. He understands zone and man coverage. He can play in the slot and man up on your tight ends or some of your bulkier, compact slots that we see now. He's not the biggest guy in the world and that's what eventually you can say it, right? Say what?

Kyle Yeomans (48:19)

He's small.

Nick Harris (48:20)

He's small. Yeah, he's small. I wasn't trying to get around.

Vach Lombardi (48:23)

I'm not the biggest guy in the world.

Nick Harris (48:26)

Small. 5 10, 2 27. So like the 510 is really going to hurt him.

Kyle Yeomans (48:30)

But his film is fun.

Nick Harris (48:31)

He's Ivan Pace. He is Ivan Pace. I think a little bit souped up. I think he's going to get drafted to a team. Somebody's going to draft him later than he should be drafted and he's going to start and he's going to be really effective and everyone's going to look around and be like, how did we let this guy slip? It's because he's 2 inches smaller than everyone else. This is a football player. I am a huge tory in new guy. So most technical. Absolutely. I'm going with the Temple Texas product.

Vach Lombardi (48:55)

York is nice. I'll pivot because I was gonna say York. Josiah Trotter from Missouri. But him navigating blocks is the more technical side. A lot of guys don't like dealing with blockers at all. I see him use hands. I see him get leveraged. I see him staying square. I see him not really trying to dodge and get out the way or whatever. I also see him just identifying things and just beating offensive linemen to the landmark. So I would say Joe. So I'm a big, big fan of him.

Kyle Yeomans (49:23)

Okay. Great names across the board. Most athletic linebacker in the class. Is it Styles?

Tommy Yarish (49:31)

Yeah.

Nick Harris (49:31)

It's got to be a freak show. I'll just throw one in. Day three, it's he's not more than Styles, but Caleb Elarm's or out of TCU he had a huge combine.

Kyle Yeomans (49:39)

I like him a lot. I think he'd be a great option for Dallas to double dip because right now I think they are going to probably spend a first round pick. Onlinebacker it kind of seems that way. Tell me a little bit about him as we take a look at some of the film here.

Nick Harris (49:51)

Yeah, athletic and he's handled communication in the middle for TCU as well. He's a five year player at for the Horn Frogs and you talk to people at TCU and this is one of their big defensive leaders as well. There was a point in time last year where it looked like this season was really going to get tanked for the Horn Frogs and guys like Halo B Larm's or really started to come up big and ended up getting recognized by the Big 12 at the end of the season for his play. He's fantastic player. I wonder about his size at the next level. He's a little narrow, narrowly built and I wonder if that narrow frame can actually work on a down to down basis in the NFL. But the athleticism is certainly there.

Kyle Yeomans (50:28)

Yeah, top 10 in the FBS and tackles this last year. But he wasn't always kind of that guy. I mean he took advantage of his opportunity after waiting his turn for two seasons at California, turned around from Cal after having 92 tackles in 2023. Went to TCU, was the backup there off the bench in 13 games. But then once he got his chance to start 130 tackles, top 10 in the FBS in that category yet 11 tackles for loss, four sacks. Rangy, athletic, second level guy who can cover. I like everything he brings there and I you talk about tcu. I was there this weekend for a baseball series and I asked one of them. I'm sorry I'm throwing water bottles out

Nick Harris (51:03)

on the ESPN contract.

Kyle Yeomans (51:04)

It was not. It was a. It was a fill in radio gig. But the T

Chris Beam (51:10)

work.

Vach Lombardi (51:11)

Let me see you watch today. What you got on your wrist today Kyle it's just something shiny I got.

Kyle Yeomans (51:15)

I'm waiting for a text message just to the no, I asked somebody at TCU that works for their football program and he was the first name out of their mouth. I asked him about who, who were some of the guys that you liked working with in the past and he was the first guy. So keep an eye on the alarms or out out of tcu. I know I've struggled to say his name a couple times in the past but I've got it down because now that I've watched him he is a D. All right. There's the most athletic linebackers in the draft. What about the biggest upside out of the linebackers in the draft?

Vach Lombardi (51:44)

Jayson Barley.

Kyle Yeomans (51:47)

Michigan.

Vach Lombardi (51:48)

Yeah, yeah, Michigan. And you know, he may have upside as a, as a rusher, so depending on how you want to look at what's upside for him. But like he's technically an edge guy, but on my board I have him as a linebacker. I watched his last year film. I think he's, I think he's damn good at linebacker. But Michigan moved him for whatever reason. They put him on the edge and they let him rush. And I think he's a cool rusher with some upside. So, so I would imagine that the more he plays linebacker and the more that he rushes, you know, sometimes I think he can get better at both. So I got Jayshawn Barn, Michigan.

Nick Harris (52:16)

I'm going to throw Anthony Hill in here just because we've, he got a

Vach Lombardi (52:19)

lot of room to go.

Nick Harris (52:19)

I, I think he has first round upside down. I take your guy.

Tommy Yarish (52:22)

You're absolutely man, I've done it for

Nick Harris (52:23)

both of you guys. I'm sorry. He has first round upside for sure in my opinion and I, I wonder if a team gets crafty with what they can do with him off the edge at the next level. Injuries really battled him this last season. I don't know if he's your green dot middle guy, but I think if you can give him a role where he's versatile, playing off the edge, being able to fill running lanes, I think he can be your guy for sure. I just don't know if he can be that coverage linebacker you necessarily need. And I think that's where the big concerns have stemmed from Anthony Hill. But I, I, I, I hope a team finds a good hybrid role for him to where he can rush the passer because I think that's where he's going to be his best at the next level. So that's where I think I find the upside for him.

Tommy Yarish (53:00)

Yeah, I'm not even going to try and find another argument there. I'm going to agree with Nick and just go, Anthony Hill. This guy's been, been fantastic as an athlete dating back to his days at Denton Ryan. I remember calling a game of his, his junior year and he took snaps at wildcat running back, took a place 60 yards, played everywhere sideline against College Station. So this is a guy that, yeah, if you put him in the right position to succeed and you take advantage of his athletic traits, sure. You may not ask him to do all the, you know, typical linebacker e stuff every single down. But. But he's just a good football player when he's put in position to succeed. I thought he had a really solid year in his last year at Texas, but they trusted him every year that he was there to play meaningful snaps and he showed up in big time moments. So is there stuff to work on? Yes, but I think he can be a really plus player for somebody at the next level.

Kyle Yeomans (53:48)

You're not going to get on the Tommy for working. I mean, he was calling games of him in high school when Tommy was probably

Vach Lombardi (53:56)

espn.

Kyle Yeomans (53:56)

It's a matter of contract.

Vach Lombardi (53:57)

You're a contracted ESPN employee and you

Tommy Yarish (54:00)

have multiple contracts and you get healthy.

Nick Harris (54:02)

You're the one that brought it up.

Tommy Yarish (54:04)

Chill out.

Nick Harris (54:05)

All right, Biggest dynamite. Why did I get hit?

Vach Lombardi (54:07)

Don't just move on. Move on and make this about Tommy, please.

Kyle Yeomans (54:10)

Nick's calling FC Dallas this weekend. I think who to do soccer. Biggest risk of the linebacker class.

Nick Harris (54:19)

Biggest risk.

Kyle Yeomans (54:20)

Biggest risk across the board. Tommy, you can start this one if you want. So that way it gets stolen.

Vach Lombardi (54:29)

I'll say this with a lot of context. I think some people gonna look at CJ Allen and be like, I don't think he is tall enough. I don't think he runs well enough. And they're just gonna move on from him. And he might be like the best dude in the whole damn class in five years. So that's risky. Like in my mind, because even on my board, right? I'm going, Yeah, I love C.J. alan, man. But there are these athleticism is. This guy got more range, got more length. And I love the tape. Like, the tape. Don't lie about him. So I ultimately put him over some of those guys with better athleticism, like Hill or Golda or something like that. But I'm so up and down about it because the film is phenomenal. But we just never know when we get here. But I think that's risky.

Tommy Yarish (55:10)

I'll go with Harold Perkins from lsu.

Nick Harris (55:12)

You got me back. Yes, got me back.

Kyle Yeomans (55:14)

Are you acting or did he act?

Nick Harris (55:15)

Oh, no, he actually got me back.

Tommy Yarish (55:16)

Yeah. And look, I love Harold Perkins. He went to high school school five minutes down the street from me. And I watched him play growing up. And he is fantastic at getting after the pastor, not a contract. I went to high school.

Vach Lombardi (55:27)

You don't work for him.

Tommy Yarish (55:29)

You don't get contracts for going to school. Yeah, I wish.

Nick Harris (55:32)

Well, actually, you do some of them

Kyle Yeomans (55:34)

now you do nil, baby.

Tommy Yarish (55:36)

I was never talented enough in any facet.

Vach Lombardi (55:38)

To be what it is.

Tommy Yarish (55:43)

But yeah, Harold Perkins is his freshman year at lsu. He just completely took the country by storm as an all American player, just completely wreaking havoc on quarterbacks. And he can still do that. I really do believe that. Even after the ACL injury a couple years back, I really do think he can do that. But a team is going to really have to have a solidified plan for how they use him in. Whether it's just straight as a third down linebacker that gets after the quarterback or whatever else they may ask him to do. There's going to need to be a plan to take kind of similar to Anthony Hill, where you're going to need to capitalize on his skill set because. Because what he is best at is what he's doing right here. Inching up towards the line of scrimmage whenever they snap this ball and getting after the quarterback. Of course, that's a play he bats down a pass, but it's that, that's what he does best. How much can you get him to do that consistently? Because when he gets in the backfield, it's hard to get away from him.

Kyle Yeomans (56:34)

Yeah.

Nick Harris (56:35)

Can I just give a best value guy since he took my biggest risk? Are we going to do best value? I saw you skipped it on the list.

Kyle Yeomans (56:40)

Did I?

Nick Harris (56:41)

Biggest value?

Kyle Yeomans (56:42)

Oh, yeah.

Nick Harris (56:42)

Can I give you a biggest.

Kyle Yeomans (56:43)

Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to skip it.

Nick Harris (56:45)

This is one I saw at the combine and I've gone back and watched a little bit more of and oh my goodness, there's a lot of stuff to love from this guy. Buffalo linebacker Red Murdoch. Oh, he's going to be a day three guy. Go and watch. You want some violent tape? You want some sound tape? Red Murdoch.

Vach Lombardi (57:00)

Red Murdoch.

Kyle Yeomans (57:01)

Sick linebacker.

Nick Harris (57:02)

Namebacker name. And from, from, from Buffalo Black.

Vach Lombardi (57:06)

Red is crazy. Go ahead.

Nick Harris (57:08)

Yeah, yeah. That is crazy too. He's got a little red on his beard, though. That's what's crazy about it as well.

Vach Lombardi (57:12)

Well, his name is Khalil, so. But Red is the nickname.

Nick Harris (57:15)

Maybe the Red came from the bit in the beard then, but Red Murdoch, we, we look back to the last two seasons combined. 298 tackles, 7 sacks and 13 forced fumbles. This guy's a, this guy's a violent piece. And I, I thought the athleticism backed it up with the combine. I, I Day three, Absolutely take a swing here. Absolutely.

Vach Lombardi (57:38)

See, I thought Red was like, you know, you know, just watching like old westerns and stuff, like somebody named like after a cowboy or something. But his nickname Is Red.

Nick Harris (57:45)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (57:48)

There have been some pretty good Khalil's to come out of Buffalo in the past.

Vach Lombardi (57:51)

Yeah, for sure. There you go.

Nick Harris (57:53)

Certainly so. Certainly so.

Kyle Yeomans (57:54)

That's interesting. Red Murdoch. I haven't watched him yet. I'm going to go back and watch it. He was a Shrine bowl guy though. He was on the Shrine bowl roster. Okay. Biggest risk or biggest risk or biggest value. Watch which one you got.

Vach Lombardi (58:07)

Value. Value. Shoot, man. I just go back to a guy that we talked about earlier. Cause I'm running out of names. For real? Cause when you think value, I'm thinking about guys that are day three ish. And I don't have a bunch of day three guys that I like, but like Torian York, I think he's gonna be a day three guy, but I think he's the absolute best day three guy that's out there right now. So it'll probably have to be him. I got Elliott written down, but I don't know who that is. I gotta.

Nick Harris (58:35)

Keyshawn Elliott or Keyshawn Elliot? Elliott. Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (58:37)

He's nice. He's nice. I take that back. That's my value guy. He's a stud versus.

Kyle Yeomans (58:43)

He's probably a day three guy too. He.

Vach Lombardi (58:44)

Yes. He diagnoses well. Deals with trash. Stout versus blockers. Lines up to the outside, lines up on the interior. Just puts them kind of wherever you want to put him at. Doesn't have the best athleticism. He may be a dude in coverage that you can whoop up on, but if it's day three, you're either good in coverage and small or you're great somewhere else. But you bad in coverage. Cause you're not the best athlete in the world. But if you're a team like the Cowboys and he may play some edge for you, some edge sometimes for you because he's a guy that has like some real pass rush upside to him. I like Keyshawn Elliott a whole bunch. Thank you, Nick, for the name. Let me put that in my name. Put that in my notes real quick.

Kyle Yeomans (59:20)

Who's your biggest value?

Tommy Yarish (59:21)

Go. Jack Kelly, byu. Just think he's a sound player.

Kyle Yeomans (59:27)

Another Shrine or a Senior bowl guy.

Tommy Yarish (59:29)

Yeah. Captain the last two years for the Cougars. They were. They missed him a lot on defense. He dealt with some injuries later in the year. I think it was the Big 12 championship game against Texas Tech where he wasn't available and they certainly missed him there. You know, I don't know if this is going to be your. Your every down green dot, but he's going to be able to play good, solid snaps for you, especially on special teams. He'll help you on special team. He gets after the quarterback there like you see a little bit, but I think he climbs off of blocks really well. He doesn't bounce back very much when he's hit and good speed to cover the rest of the field and bring down guys. Sorry, Vodge. Now I've completely lost my train of thought, but yeah, Jack Kelly, just Kelly, solid overall player. He doesn't get. You see him slipping away from the block there on that last play. Doesn't get phased by that much. He's strong at the point of attack. He can run east to west and north and south.

Kyle Yeomans (60:24)

Yeah, I'm just sitting here watching film because I haven't seen him yet. So I'm.

Vach Lombardi (60:27)

Me neither have I'm.

Nick Harris (60:29)

I didn't know they were that at byu.

Kyle Yeomans (60:34)

The ability that he's got with the speed too, I mean, with the size that he's got. I mean he's got plenty of. I mean, he's got wide, broad shoulders. He's a downhill player. It looks like. It looks like they played him a ton of different spots. I mean, you see him as a middle, you see him as an outside, you see him on the ball, you see him off the ball, using them in a number of different ways. So good value there for, for the BYU linebacker. All right, last but certainly not least most likely in the linebacker class to become a Dallas Cowboy. Who is the most likely?

Tommy Yarish (61:08)

Sonny Styles because they're packaging, moving up to six.

Kyle Yeomans (61:10)

Oh, they're going to. They're not being cowards. They're going getting them.

Tommy Yarish (61:14)

No cowardly stuff here.

Kyle Yeomans (61:16)

Is that actually your answer?

Nick Harris (61:17)

No.

Tommy Yarish (61:20)

As it stands today, I would say C.J. allen Jordan.

Vach Lombardi (61:24)

Yeah.

Nick Harris (61:24)

I say this with a grain of salt because most likely it doesn't mean it's going to happen. But I say CJ Allen just because there's experience on the staff with CJ Allen and Chidera Uzodoribe coming from Georgia and that's a guy who can step in and be your green dot immediately, a guy for the Georgia defense last year who was actually calling the plays. And I, I think you need that type of, you're going to need that type of intelligence in the middle there.

Vach Lombardi (61:47)

Aiden Fisher, because he gonna play kickoff a second something because the Cowboys gonna

Nick Harris (61:51)

wait till it is very Cowboys.

Vach Lombardi (61:52)

They're gonna wait till the sixth round or something to. To take him. Aiden Fisher Linebacker, Indiana okay, Can I

Nick Harris (61:57)

ask a quick one? I know we have to get out of.

Vach Lombardi (61:59)

Sure.

Nick Harris (61:59)

Two years ago, this team needed a running back. They didn't draft one. Last year they needed a receiver, they didn't draft one. Which is the position they don't draft this year.

Kyle Yeomans (62:07)

Watch a B linebacker on.

Vach Lombardi (62:09)

On defense.

Nick Harris (62:10)

Just which position is it going?

Kyle Yeomans (62:12)

Position of need.

Nick Harris (62:12)

Yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (62:13)

Position of glaring need. I think it would be most likely in that area. It would be linebacker.

Nick Harris (62:19)

I think we're going to nickel corner.

Vach Lombardi (62:21)

Yeah.

Kyle Yeomans (62:22)

They kind of got one yesterday, so maybe that's probably why, like, they're going to use him in that spot every once in a while with Jalen Thompson.

Nick Harris (62:28)

Yeah.

Chris Beam (62:29)

But.

Kyle Yeomans (62:29)

Yeah, I could see that, too. All right, that does it for us here on the draft show for vox. Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the draft show, not talking Cowboys. So I'm not going to make that move. I did.

Tommy Yarish (62:41)

I started.

Kyle Yeomans (62:42)

We'll see you on Thursday. More of the draft show here from

Vach Lombardi (62:45)

The Star, whatever ESPN show is.

Kyle Yeomans (62:47)

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