Draft Show: Closing the Books

Summary

The Draft Show: "Closing the Books"

Dallas Cowboys Draft Show
April 15, 2025
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Bryan Broaddus, Nick Harris, Zach Wolchuk, Tommy Yarish
Special Thanks: Chris Beam (Producer)

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Episode Overview

With just nine days until the 2025 NFL Draft in Green Bay, the Draft Show crew dives into the final player evaluations, focusing on prospects with unresolved questions, particularly Michigan CB Will Johnson. The team debates the challenges of incomplete athletic data, discusses quarterback intrigue in the late first round, and answers fan questions about Cowboys draft needs, ideal picks, and late-round sleepers. The tone is analytical, bantering, and filled with deep-dive scouting insights.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Will Johnson’s Final Pro Day & Evaluation

(00:31 - 13:39)

• Will Johnson’s Pro Day Recap

  • Nick Harris reports (01:55) Will Johnson did not run the 40, reiterating concerns about his lower-body injuries.
  • Johnson’s vertical jump (37") and shuttle time (4.33) were average to above-average but left lingering questions, especially about long speed.
  • “He did not run his 40… That was the big thing we were all asking.” — Nick Harris (01:55)
  • Johnson’s smoothness and performance in positional drills impressed scouts, but his lack of complete data makes the evaluation “one of the more difficult ones.” (03:11)

• Diverging Opinions

  • Zach Wolchuk: Concerns about lingering lower extremity injuries and susceptibility to double moves; prefers other corners.
  • “Especially if we had that conversation at 12.” — Zach Wolchuk (05:41), expressing nervousness over drafting Johnson early.
  • Broaddus: With less verifiable data than ever, teams are forced to “pick a stock you don’t know completely.” He rates Johnson as a late first/second-rounder (25th on his board).
  • Tommy Yarish: Also sees him as a second-round player, noting lingering injury concerns but NFL-ready scheme experience from Michigan.

• Scheme Fit & Historic Parallels

  • Johnson’s best fit viewed as zone-heavy defenses (Matt Eberflus type), drawing parallels to Joey Porter Jr. as a “scheme-specific” prospect who fell further than expected.

• Cowboys Angle

  • The lack of data complicates the Cowboys’ decision at CB, potentially making Johnson a candidate only if he falls.

Notable Quotes

• “You’re asking these scouts now… to evaluate just really the tape and hope you get the medical right and hope you get the player right.’ — Bryan Broaddus (06:16)
• “He’s a guy we talk about on night one regardless.” — Nick Harris (03:18)

Key Timestamps

• Will Johnson’s workout, conversation, and evaluation: [01:44 - 13:39]

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2. Quarterback Conversation: Who Jumps to Round 1?

(14:35 - 22:34)

• Draft Green Room Invites

  • Nick Harris reports Jalen Milroe and Jackson Dart will attend the draft in person.
  • Cites John Schneider: “Be careful when you talk about these quarterbacks… it’s not a bad class,” indicating teams may value QBs higher than expected. (15:00)

• Jalen Milroe’s Evaluation

  • Tommy Yarish: “Milroe, man, I’ve got him as QB4. This is an incredibly high-upside player... what a lot of people thought Anthony Richardson was coming out of college.”
  • Steelers and other teams (Pittsburgh, Rams) have shown significant interest with dinners and workouts.
  • Zach Wolchuk: Even if not a round one lock, the invite hints “early second at the latest now.”

• Draft Dynamics: The Fifth-Year Option & Trade Possibilities

  • Discussion about teams potentially trading into the back end of round one to secure QB fifth-year options (e.g., Rams at 26, Saints, Giants).
  • Broaddus: “If Jackson Dart’s there for the Rams at 26, I think that's going to be their selection.” (19:25)
  • Trades could create opportunities for Dallas to accrue extra assets, depending on how the board falls.

Notable Quotes

• “His deep ball is his best attribute. Really the part he needs to polish is the short to intermediate game.” — Tommy Yarish (15:35)
• “At the worst case, he’s an offensive package type of weapon that you just want to be able to get on the football field and allow him to use his athleticism.” — Zach Wolchuk (17:43)

Key Timestamps

• QB draft strategy and intrigue: [14:35 - 22:34]

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3. Twitter on the 20: Cowboys Draft Preferences & Strategies

(28:06 - ~47:45)

Dream Picks and Draft Crushes

• If You Could Guarantee One Realistic Player for Dallas…
  • Zach Wolchuk: Ashton Jeanty (RB, Boise State)
  • Nick Harris: Bhayshul Tuten (RB, Virginia Tech) — “He’s got the home run speed… initiates contact.”
  • Tommy Yarish: TreVeyon Henderson (RB, Ohio State) — “He can play on all three downs. That’s everything you’re looking for in a running back.”
  • Broaddus: Noah Williams (CB, Cal) — “A bully, the way he goes about his game... tremendous player who fits a need.”
  • Other mentions: Alfred Collins (DT, Texas), Maxwell Hairston (CB, Kentucky)

Value of All-Pro vs. Three Solid Starters

• Nick Harris, Wolchuk: Prefer three solid starters, especially given Dallas’ current roster needs.
• Broaddus: “Anytime you have an all-pro player… that makes a difference. But solid starters, great depth, gets you nine, ten wins.” (38:32)

Best Use of the Fifth-Round Pick & Prioritizing Needs

• Broaddus: Poses hypothetical — which of WR, RB, CB, or 1-tech DT do you punt on?
• General consensus: DT (1-tech) could be pushed down, given better Day 3 depth; WR must be addressed early.
• “If you don’t get one at 12 or at 44, I don’t think 76 is going to give that to you.” — Kyle Yeomans, on WR depth (42:07)

Late-Round WR Sleepers

• Nick Harris: Dante Thornton Jr. (Tennessee), “Big play machine—led the FBS in yards per reception last year.”
• Zach Wolchuk: Ty Felton (Maryland), Pat Bryant (Illinois)
• Tommy Yarish: Jacorey Brooks (Louisville), Xavier Restrepo (Miami), Tory Horton (Colorado State)
• All agree traits are there but no fifth-round WR likely ready to step right in as the team’s WR2

Key Timestamps

• Cowboys draft strategy and fan questions: [28:06 - ~47:45]

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4. Tell Me More: Deep Day 3 Draft Gems

(53:50 - Episode End)

• Andrew Armstrong (WR, Arkansas)

  • Big-bodied, possession WR. “Not the greatest route runner, but tremendous hands.” — Zach Wolchuk (55:13)
  • Tommy Yarish: “He is a not as athletic, slower CeeDee Lamb… the way he runs looks a lot like what number 2 at Oklahoma looked like.” (56:07)

• Ty Robinson (DT, Nebraska)

  • Elite 40 time (4.83), highly athletic for size.
  • “He wears the 288 pounds like he’s 315… plays with grit, versatility, and is nasty.” — Tommy Yarish (57:57, 58:01)

• Jackson Slater (OL, Sacramento State)

  • Versatile guard/center with great athleticism for zone schemes.
  • Broaddus: “He’s kind of a pin-and-pull expert… if Dallas is going to a scheme with lead blockers, Jackson Slater is your guy.” (58:46)

• Thomas Perry (OL, Middlebury College)

  • “Thomas the Tank,” dominant Division III Mauler who impressed at Shrine Bowl (Nick Harris, 61:05)
  • “He’s going to get drafted—could be a sleeper.” — Nick Harris (61:33)

• Brian Ugwu (EDGE, Miami of Ohio)

  • Edge rusher with traits and flashes but raw as a late Day 3 flyer.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You’re asking these scouts now and...we could all be super critical…but you’re going to have to have the ability to evaluate just the tape and hope you get the medical right…they’re not giving you the whole picture.”
  — Bryan Broaddus, 06:16, on the difficulty of the modern draft process.

• “He does a great job. When the ball is in the air, it’s his. He puts himself in position to make plays. This guy is a bully with the way he goes about his game.”
  — Bryan Broaddus, 32:00, on Noah Williams, CB

• “If you don’t get one at 12 or 44, I don’t think 76 is going to give that to you… I need a guy that’s going to come in and immediately be a starter at wide receiver.”
  — Kyle Yeomans, 42:07, on WR urgency for the Cowboys

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Segment Timestamps

• Will Johnson & Cornerback Discourse: [01:44 – 13:39]
• Quarterback Draft Conversation: [14:35 – 22:34]
• Fan Q&A, Cowboys Draft Strategies: [28:06 – ~47:45]
• Tell Me More – Late Round Sleepers: [53:50 – Episode End]

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Episode Summary

This episode “closes the books” on draft evaluations as the Cowboys’ war room—and every NFL scouting department—grapples with incomplete athletic data, injury red flags, and tricky scheme fits for top prospects like Will Johnson. The team acknowledges teams must increasingly rely on “old-school eyes,” especially for prospects who skipped drills.

The quarterback discussion centers on where upside QBs like Milroe and Dart could land, and how late first-round runs (or the lack thereof) shape the Cowboys’ trade-back opportunities.

Fan engagement drives extended debates: Who’s the realistic draft crush? What’s the ideal balance of stars versus depth? How early must Dallas strike on wide receiver to land an immediate starter? Each analyst breaks down sleepers and positional strategies, with everyone agreeing that in 2025, more teams are “taking chances” on traits and scheme fits in a draft class rife with medical questions and incomplete profiles.

Tone: Deeply analytical, friendly banter, heavy on practical scouting knowledge, with frank admissions that even the experts are struggling to pin down precise prospect pecking orders—making for a compelling final countdown to draft night.

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Summary prepared for those wanting a thorough debrief on the latest Cowboys Draft thinking and war room logic as the 2025 NFL Draft nears.

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frisco. And now your host, Kyle yeomans. Today is April 15, 2025 and we are nine days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome in to the Draft show presented by Miller Lite, the only beer of the Cowboys. It is Miller time. We are officially underneath the single digit mark. Glad you're with us with Zach Wolczyk, Brian Broaddus, Tommy Yarish, Nick Harris with Chris Beam in the back, I'm Kyle Yeomans. Nine days away, gentlemen. It can't come fast enough and it also can't hold off fast enough at the same time. We're ready to get to our draft coverage with 105. 3 the Fan on Thursday. Continue through every single one of the 257 picks throughout the week and then get into what is happening with this team and every other team in the NFL after that. So it's getting down to crunch time, which also means it's the last few opportunities that we might have Nick Harris to look at certain players, including one that we've been waiting on for a little bit. Will Johnson working out from Michigan, the cornerback working out. Was it today or yesterday?

[Nick Harris]

It was on Monday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, Monday. So yesterday working out anymore? Yeah, me neither. Working out and getting to see what exactly he's bringing to the table. You have an update?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. So he did work out yesterday for scouts in attendance. He did not run his 40, which that was the big thing we were all asking going into the draft process in general is are we going to see Will Johnson run? He has all these lower body injuries that he's battled throughout his career. You don't really know what that verified athleticism looks like, but we got some of those other points of athleticism you could look at. Vertical jump, 37 inches that he jumped yesterday, a 433-short shuttle, which whenever you're comparing it to other corners in the class, it's kind of average and according to Dane Brugler of the Athletic, above average during positional drills. One scout told him Will Johnson looked very smooth. And that's, you know, that's. That's what jumps off, off tape, right, Is that Will Johnson is this smooth transitional corner that can move his hips really well at times and, and cover some of the best players in the Big Ten and some of the top competition that Michigan has faced over the last couple of years. I think back to that national championship performance that he had a couple years ago against was came out in the second half with an interception to open against Michael Penix and played really well in that game. It was a force in that game, but obviously had a lot of help around him. Now this past year battled injury and so it's a tough eval, don't get me wrong. And I think, you know, guys that have a positive view on Will Johnson and guys that have a negative view on Will Johnson, I don't think there's a right or wrong here. I think this is going to be something that unfortunately we're just not going to have a lot of data on. And it's going to have to be something that you go forward with on a, you know, a really good eval eye. And this is where, you know, having seasoned scouts, having seasoned evaluators really come into play. Because when you can look at a guy like Will Johnson, what can you factor in, what can you factor out? And how can you make that part of the evaluation process? This is going to be one of the more difficult ones. I even know we have differing opinions on this table about Will Johnson, but he's going to be a guy we talk about on night one. Regardless, he's going to be a guy that does get drafted in the first round. It's just a matter of, you know, where does he get fit and how does he end up playing early on in his career and can he stay away from injury?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're a couple weeks into the baseball season too, right? There's a saying whenever you have a pitcher leave the game, you close the book on X pitcher, right? Now that you've seen his pro day, you can close the scouting notebook on Will Johnson, right?

[Brian Broaddus]

You can close the book.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You've got it all. You've got the tape, you got the numbers, you've got the vertical, you've got the shuttle and the lack of a 40. So now the book is closed on Will Johnson. Does your opinion change now that it's close?

[Zach Wolczyk]

No, I mean, my opinions pretty much stayed the same on him. I'm nervous about the lower extremity injuries. That seems to be a constant with him. Over the last two years. Yeah. Is that something that's going to linger into his pro career? Honestly, that's a topic of conversation with a lot of these corners. Benjamin Morrison's a guy that I love. The tape, you could argue, maybe has some of the best tape of any corner in the entire draft. But the hips. Can I trust a guy that's got bum hips? Translating the league, is that going to be a problem for years to come? Revelation when it comes to the acl. Now, that's one we've seen corners come back from. But how long is it going to take to him to get back to the form he was at East Carolina. But when it comes to Will Johnson, he is at his best, in my opinion, playing off coverage where he can read key into the quarterback break on the football. I don't love him necessarily all the time and run support and anytime he's got to turn his back to the quarterback, I am now terrified the double moves he can be susceptible to. I just personally have some other corners that I like a little bit more than Will Johnson, but I've had conversations with people that would disagree and say rebels a little more stiff than Will Johnson. I don't, I think Rebels better than Johnson when it comes to moving down the field. I think the recovery speed, the long speed, those are questions with Will Johnson and we didn't get that necessarily answered when it came to the 40 time. So good player. I just personally like some other corners more in this draft class and he scares me a little bit. Especially if we had that conversation at 12.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. To me, this is where, you know, and the side that we're on now, the media side of things here that now I think that we have to be less critical of these teams, drafted players, because to me, this is like saying, I'm going to give you $1,000 for the stock, the stock market, and I'm going to ask you to make pick me a stock that you know nothing about the company. You know some things about the company, but you don't know everything about the company here. This is what we're getting into right now is an era where these players. I was just going through Dane Brugler's beast and just looking at numbers, just seeing, you know, where numbers were. I've never seen a beast that had fewer workouts completed when it came to combine workouts and pro day workouts. You're asking these scouts now and I, I, you know, we could all be super critical about these scouts and how they draft and all that. And Nick said it the best. You're going to have to have the ability to evaluate just really the tape and hope you get the medical right and hope you get the player right. Because they're not giving you the whole picture. They're asking you to pick a stock here, but you don't know the company completely. And it could be, it could be millions of dollars. It could be, it could be lost games. You know, they're now asking you to do things as a scout that's really kind of for years has been a staple of what scouting is. You go to get the numbers, you go to Ann Arbor, Michigan with the anticipation of completing the picture for this guy so you can make the best evaluation of him and pick him where he needs to be selected. Me personally, I haven't moved him. I have not moved him on. I always had him as the second round guy. I think he's the second round guy. If you stack him right now on my board, he's the 25th best player on my board. But I bet if there was a time where there was talk that he was the third or fourth or fifth best player on boards, you know, I don't think we could say that anymore about this player. This now has become an era where it's become tougher on scouts to make good selections because of lack of information that they don't get.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, you guys hit the nail on the head, really. I've got him as a second round player too. I never moved him. I think that long speed, even before the pro day was really kind of the concern with Will Johnson and okay, can he match up against guys who are just straight go runners? Can he match up against guys who hit the double move really well at the professional level? Those are going to be worries that you've got to live with. So that brings into, I think the element of, okay, what scheme does he fit in best?

[Brian Broaddus]

Right.

[Tommy Yarish]

When you think about what Matt Eberfluss does, it's pretty zone heavy. I that's a solid fit for Will Johnson and what he'll be able to do. They ran a lot of it at Michigan. It's an NFL style defense that they ran at Michigan. So, you know, in a scheme like that, I could see Will Johnson having success. But then you think about, like you mentioned Wolchuk, the lower body extremities. Brian hit the nail on the head from a scouting perspective. So all things that you've got to consider. But I haven't moved him. I think he's a really good player. If we're talking tape alone. I mean, you look back even at the freshman tape from 2022, obviously he's very fresh back then, but he's one of the best corners in the country, and I don't think he fell off too much in terms of being one of the best in college football. From there on out, I think it was just the injuries that kind of lingered on him. You think about the Washington receiver core that they played in the national championship game that you talked about. Three NFL draft picks and, you know, a first round quarterback, he was able to shut it down with that great Michigan defense. They had a great secondary. Two guys like Mikey Sander still out there, but he's a good player. It's just going to be one of those things where like, like Brian said, you got a lot of questions and somebody's going to have to take a chance and it's going to be one of those that could make or break you.

[Nick Harris]

How many corners do you guys have above Johnson?

[Zach Wolczyk]

I think four.

[Tommy Yarish]

Four. I've got Hunter, Baron and Morrison in front.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah, I've got Hunter, Baron, Revel and Morrison.

[Nick Harris]

Gotcha.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I've got.

[Brian Broaddus]

Actually, I take the back. I got three because I have. I have Hunter as a wide receiver. Yeah, I got three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've got two.

[Nick Harris]

Gotcha.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I'm a little high.

[Nick Harris]

I think it's just going to be a fascinating situation on draft day. You're going to see a team fall in love with Will Johnson and take them high. I mean, you look at a team like Miami, right, they just put Jalen Ramsey on the trade market. They could be potentially looking for a corner in that first round. You look at the Raiders, maybe they're looking for a trade back opportunity so that they can draft a corner in the first round. Their cornerback room looks awful. And so, you know, is it going to be. Barron is going to be Johnson? Will Hairston sneak up in there? Will Tremendous sneak up in there? Revel. Is someone going to swing on him in the first round? I think there's a. If you're a zone defense and you play majority zone, you're a top five in the league. As far as zone usage, then. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's worth taking a shot on Will Johnson, but I, I'm not getting there personally until I'm at pick 20, 25, right around where Brian has him on his board. I, I feel the same way.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah, I'd feel much better trade back.

[Brian Broaddus]

He. He's an, he is an outstanding player and there's no question. I mean, and I'm. I'm not. I could say the arguments that I have for him being taken at 12 is. I just have better players in my mind. Yeah, it's my evaluation. And these gentlemen around the table have done their evaluations as well. You know, they. They. Maybe they have guys above him. Everybody's board is a little bit different when it comes to this stuff, you know, and, yeah, there's going to be ultimately what matters at what's done across the hall. If you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, you know what these guys see in the player. Are they comfortable? Go ahead. And not having a 40. Are they. Are they comfortable not having the complete picture with some of the other corners that they have where they do have? Okay. You know, you're just asking for, okay, confirm for me whether your speed is good enough or not. You know, that's. That's all I'm asking. And, you know, there's. There's, there's guys. And we're going to see it now more and more. And an old guy like me who's been in the scouting world for a long time, this is troubling. It's harder. It's about time for me to go to the lake house and not worry about this anymore. Because I lived in an era where numbers were important to me. It was before metrics and before all these things that people do. The numbers from the combine, the numbers at the pro days. Never have I seen guys say, hey, I'm not going to work out at Indy. Fine, I'll catch you in Ann Arbor, Michigan for a workout. And then you do two things in drills. I just wasted my time going in Ann Arbor, Michigan. What I did figure out, though, is your short show time's not very good, and you're a tall guy. There might be some questions. You're like in the 13th percentile when it comes to corners with that shuttle time. Do you not have quickness? Is this something. Did I see this on tape? So I think there's some teams. To me, Nick's right. There are going to be some teams that go ahead and just roll the dice and say, you know what? We feel good enough about the player and going forward here. I'm not going to ding him for not running because like I said, I'm keeping him in the exact same spot. I just would have liked a more complete picture.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I'm with you, though, Tommy. I do think he's more scheme specific. We saw Joey Porter, Jun, who I think we were all looking a couple Years ago, like, why in the world is this guy falling? I had him as the best corner for me. He ends up going in the second round. We find out afterwards, teams thought he was scheme specific. So the Steelers end up getting an absolute steal. I think now you got to look at the new defense here and you're right. Like maybe Floose looks at him and says, hey, that's more of a fit for what I want to do. Whereas I do think previously Val Harris was still in the building. I look at Revel from East Carolina and think that's a corner that I think Al Harris would have absolutely loved.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Zach Wolczyk]

With the size, the physicality that he would play with off coverage, more of a zone, long limbed guy. And Will Johnson, maybe he fits the profile of what the Cowboys would like to do a little bit more. And they do an excellent job with their scouting department, talking with the coaching staff, figuring out, okay, what do you want? What can I get for you to be able to succeed? So maybe there is a marriage there that they like more than we do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And it goes back to what Brian has talked about on the show a couple episodes back is how succinct is that at the moment because it's a new coaching staff, it's a new group, and you're trying to mesh that all together over the course of a couple of months to try and figure it out and try and get to that point. I don't know if it's a perfect marriage right off the top, but everybody's board is different as we're talking about. And I think you're going to have to try and find some level of consistency on a guy like Johnson. And it's tougher to do that without the numbers. And that's what we're kind of alluding.

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, there's guys in this draft that have not run. I mean there, there's plenty of them. And you know, and so, you know, we're just, we're focusing on Johnson right now because if you're a Cowboy fan, you, your corner is one of your needs. You're looking at your depth chart and if you watch our shows on this platform, we talk about the different positions and stuff and corners, definitely one of them. You could see potentially a Corner going at 44 here. There are opportunities for the corner to be selected here. Like I say, this guy is a very, very good football player. I just wish we would have had the complete package on him to know exactly is comparing him to maybe some guys that we've talked about have played before that have had some success or failed in the process.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, kind of keeping to the same topic of conversation, but switching positions when you mentioned everybody's board is different.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bobby Belt let us know in our group message that Milroe, Jalen Milroe, quarterback from Alabama and Jackson Dart, quarterback from Ole Miss, will both be attending the draft. We kind of talked about that a little bit last week, but with both of those in attendance and I guess now the rumor is starting to get out there too that, hey, be careful. Who was it that had that quote, be careful when it comes to saying this is not a good quarterback?

[Brian Broaddus]

John Snyder, my old intern.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So it was Snyder. John Snyder comes out and says be careful when you're talking about these quarterbacks and it's not a good draft for quarterbacks. Is this something we need to keep in mind whenever we get to the top of the NFL draft on Thursday and get to the point where, hey, we've thought Milroe and Dart may be slipping and they may not be there for the second, third round, or is this something that they may slip into that first round and quarterbacks are still going to be viewed very highly?

[Tommy Yarish]

I know that, you know, that draft invite doesn't always necessarily mean that they're going to be a first round pick. But Jalen Milroe, man, I've got him as QB4. For me, I think this is a incredibly high upside player. I know everybody is very much across the board on him. I think this is a guy who is what a lot of people thought Anthony Richardson was coming out of college in terms of what he could do with his legs. But Milro is just completely different and he's a game changer in what he can do with a rushing ability. You're not going to see a guy six one, 220 pounds that's going to be able to move like he does and that's going to change an offense. Especially in a modern day NFL where you need to have a quarterback that can do both for the most part. To be able to, you know, lead an offense down the field. You don't necessarily need a guy who runs as well as he does, but you need mobility and Milroe gives you that. He's got a heck of an arm. His deep ball is his best attribute. Really the, the part that he needs to polish up is the short to intermediate game. How often do we say that about quarterbacks coming into the draft? So you, you know, you look at him and it's all things that you can fix With Jalen Milro, it's all things where if he gets into the right system and he develops, well, like a Pittsburgh, for example. Look at them at 21. Is. Is that a team that Mike Tomlin could say, okay, this is a guy that we want to build on and trust to bring our offense forward? I think Milro would be a great fit in a place like that. I really like his game a lot.

[Nick Harris]

And Tomlin had dinner with Milroe in Tuscaloosa the day before their pro day. The GM was there as well. Steelers have done a lot of homework.

[Zach Wolczyk]

On Will Howard, another guy that they met with.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, they've done homework on these quarterbacks. They're in a situation where they're probably going to take a quarterback and a running back early in this draft. They're probably looking at Rehau, their. Their backfield. But, yeah, talking about Melro, you talk about the upside, for sure. I mean, his. His ability, his athleticism. It's like Debo can sling the pill a little bit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like that's kind of what he's built like.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. And it's. It's a. It's a fascinating eval. I. I do wonder if someone's going to take a swing on him in the first round. I will say him getting the green room invite doesn't necessarily mean that that's going to happen. Correct. But it is fascinating that he did get the green room invite. I think that probably tells us he's going to go early second at the latest now, just because of, you know, certain teams valuing this guy a little bit more than others. But it wouldn't surprise me if someone swung on this guy before a Jackson dart or somebody in this draft, because.

[Zach Wolczyk]

At the worst case, he's an offensive package type of weapon that you just want to be able to get on the football field and allow him to use his athleticism. He's just so frustrating, for lack of a better word, to watch, because there's moments where I've totally written him off as a passer, and then he makes a throw that I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like the half that he had against Georgia.

[Brian Broaddus]

The Georgia. Yeah. You could watch me and then you could watch them against Michigan, against Wink Martindale. And Wink Martindale went after.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Very confused.

[Brian Broaddus]

So it's a very, very confusing evaluation there. But, you know, go ahead and finish. I'm sorry, but you were. No.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Well, I wanted to ask you about the fifth year option when it comes to quarterbacks. I wonder how much teams value that when it comes to, hey, do I trade back into the first round? Maybe a team like Cleveland, the Giants, the Saints even, they don't take a quarterback in the top 10. And then they're looking at the back half. Are we picking up the phone and saying we want to move up to go get a dart. We want to move up to go get Milroe. Maybe you see a Shador sander start to slide because this thing could either go on a run that could benefit the Cowboys, where maybe Tennessee takes Cam Ward 1, maybe the Giants who are having a private workout with Shador. Do they end up shocking us all and taking him at 3 or do the jets end up saying we do actually fell in love with Jackson Dart. He ends up being a surprise pick like Michael Pennix Jr. Was a year ago. We weren't necessarily projecting him to go in the top 10. New Orleans is hunting quarterbacks. Diana Rossini had a scoop today talking about that. But do they end up waiting? If they wait, these quarterbacks could end up falling. It could be a will Levis like situation, end up going the top of the second round. Or maybe you do have teams wanting to secure that fifth year option. They try and trade back up into the back end of the first round.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think a team that you have to kind of keep an eye on the, in this draft would be the, would be the Los Angeles Rams at 26.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah, you've been in on dart.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think, I think that if Jackson, I think if Jackson darts there for the, for the Rams at 26, I think that's going to be their selection there. So, yeah, these quarterbacks can go, you know, anywhere. You mentioned New Orleans, the situation there. It doesn't. But Pittsburgh, the Rams. I, you know, I was on a podcast yesterday with, with the giants.com and they kind of seem, they were asking me a ton of questions about Hunter, you know, and they're asking me a ton of questions about Carter, you know, not so much about what the quarterbacks were. So, you know, it kind of got that vibe that maybe they, they think that they're going to take either Hunter or Carter at 3 and then kind of worry about the quarterback at the top of the second round is, you know, how, how that. I think that might play out for them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And it's interesting too because you're talking about the Steelers who are in the mid-20s. You've got the, or the early 20s. You got the Rams that are in the mid-20s. If you're talking about trade partners too.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That might be a Little far for Dallas to pop back and to keep going backwards. But if they're trying to come up and get a quarterback and they're trying to maybe leap over each other in order to do so, that's where you can maybe find a dance partner. And there's the premium. The premium pick that you would need to get the right compensation. Because we've talked about the possibility of not getting the right compensation. It all depends on how these guys view quarterbacks and how these teams look at quarterbacks and how they see how these prospects could possibly fit with their franchise.

[Brian Broaddus]

How far, if you're in the back of the draft, do you think you have to go? And I'm not saying I don't think you have to go to 12. I mean, I think you have to get ahead of the Colts.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Brian Broaddus]

So to me, then, the first team I would call would be Miami. That's the team that I would call. I call Chris Greer, you know. You know, Dallas 13. Yeah. You know, they're right behind Dallas there. So I just make sure that I get ahead of. If I could get ahead of. Of Indy. Of Indy, in case. If you get good intelligence that tells you that Indy's going to take a quarterback here, you know, and really, let's be honest, Chris Ballard's fighting for his job up there. He might not have another opportunity to draft again. This might be his last one. He's got to go get players that can help him win. Can he develop a quarterback? He's tried to draft a quarterback before and it hasn't worked there. So, you know, they might be in a situation right now where he needs playmakers there to try and win football games, not developing quarterbacks, maybe try and develop the one he's got. But I would. I would say that, you know, you're pretty sure that Dallas is not going to take one. But if you can, you know, can you get Miami convinced? And see, this is where you have a deal where you say, who's going to offer me the better deal to move up with Dallas at 12? Or would Miami at 13 offer me the better deal? And then you just take one or the other, whichever one you have to pay, the less the least amount to go up and get.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah, they could look at Cincinnati at 17 with Seattle basically saying, hey, maybe we do kind of like some of the quarterbacks in this draft class. Does John Snyder throw us a curveball? Pittsburgh, obviously, at 21. Is Sean Payton willing to wheel and deal a little bit at 20 there with Denver? And then you mentioned the Chargers or excuse me, the Rams. That is a sneak. And I love Jackson Dart. Like if you were to go to Sean McVay and the Rams, that would be a perfect fit. You sit a year behind Matthew Stafford and then he's probably ready to take the keys for the car there. That'd be a lot of fun. So those were just kind of be some landing spots. I try and jump ahead maybe those teams, if I wanted to move up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And go secure that quarterback, always the biggest wild card is the quarterback position in the NFL draft. It's the hardest one to scout and it's one of the toughest ones to get right at the same time. All right, when we come back here on the draft show, got some Twitter on the 20, what is one realistic player that if you could guarantee in any round, who would it be? That's one of the questions. We're going to talk about it right after this with more talking Cowboys.

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[Brian Broaddus]

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All right, it's time for some Twitter on the 20 midseason forum, baby.

[Chris Beam]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Brady L. On Twitter wants to know if you could guarantee one realistic player in any round that would end up a Cowboy, who would it be? Who would be that one player that you would love to have? Could be any round. Could be first round, second round, third round.

[Nick Harris]

That I would love to have. Or that I think is most realistic.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, that you would love to have if you could guarantee it.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Stamp it.

[Nick Harris]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a Cowboy. Who is it? It would be your opinion. Not really. It's just gotta be within reason. You can't say Travis Hunter to the Cowboys. Cause I don't know if that's too totally.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Travis Hunter to the Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I think Ashton Genti, Boise State running back, he's pretty good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Run the card in.

[Nick Harris]

I think a fun one would be considering positional value and getting this. You need this position in this draft. I said getting this position in the third round, I think could work out for you. Bashell Tutton out of Virginia Tech, I think that would just be a fun one that I think could work on multiple different levels. You know, your first and second round, you can go at receiver slash corner. If maybe you want to go edge in those first two rounds, that's there as well. But you don't have to address the running back position until that 76 spot. I think Tutton is a guy that would be there at 76. He's got the home run speed. We've talked about him on the show five, not 209. He's got the home run speed and he's a physical runner that initiates contact. Broken tackles all over the place. One of the best in the class when it comes to yards after contact. I think it would be an incredible pairing with Javante Williams. And if you want to, if you want to find a game where Tutton is playing at his best, go watch the Boston College tape from last year and he can get it done out of the backfield a little bit too. But I think this would be your early down guy that can, you know, create those home run plays that you haven't had since, since Tony Pollard before his leg injury. It would be a fun one in my eyes.

[Brian Broaddus]

Tommy.

[Tommy Yarish]

I'm going to go with a different running back earlier in round two. I'm going to go Travion Henderson from Ohio State. This is a guy who can play on all three downs. He has the home run speed and that's everything that you're looking for in a running back when you look at the complete package. Henderson gives you everything he can catch out of the backfield. He's an excellent locker room presence. That's something that scouts and NFL folks have been super high on with him. And then his speed is a game changer every, every year at Ohio State that he was healthy, he was extremely productive. Thousand yard rushing season even though he was splitting carries with Quinshon Judkins this year too. Just an excellent all around player who you can still mix in Javante Williams and Miles Sanders to take some weight off of his back. But you just look at what he's able to do for you on first, second and third down. This is a guy that you can lean on. It's a guy that can fit anywhere in this offense and he can do it all for you in the, in the running game and out of the backfield as well. I love Travion Henderson. I think people in the NFL are starting to like him too. Don't be surprised if he goes either late in the first round or early in the second.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah, I'm with you. I wouldn't be surprised. We get three first round running backs if him and Hampton snuck into the back end of the first round there. I guess I'll rock with a defensive lineman and I've talked about him before on the show but I'll go Alfred Collins out of Texas and I got into a battle with Botch here on him but I love him and you might have to take him at 44. I don't know if he's going to make it to 76 but I think he fits exactly what they need in terms of being a big wide bodied run defender. But I think he's slippery as a pass rusher. I don't think he's getting enough credit for what he can do. Being able to push the pocket, get up field. He understands leverage, he's strong and disruptive to push the pocket. He works the stunts well. I love him and I think just a one year starter at Texas because he had to play behind an absolute stud muffin into Vondre Sweat the year before who's been pretty good at Tennessee. And then of course Byron Murphy who ended up being a first round pick going to the Seattle Seahawks. But I like Alfred Collins and I think his best football is ahead of him. He's a player the Cowboys obviously have met with know there seems to be interest there. So a realistic option that I would also love would be Alfred Collins out of Texas.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I'm kind of caught between two guys but I'll go with the one that I've loved really all along, Noel Williams from California, the corner there at 6 foot 199. I was thinking about the with Carson Swearinger too from ucla, but I'm going to, I'm going to go for the probably the bigger need right now. I think linebacker still is a need, don't get me wrong. But I'm going to go with Noah Williams. Like I said, I just love the way this, this kid competes. He can jam you. He does a really good job of staying connected. He's, he's got physicality. He's not afraid of mixing it up. He doesn't shy away from contact. I think you need an edge of physicality for this, for this position and he does a great job. When the ball is in the air, it's his. He puts himself in position to make plays. This guy is a bully, you know, with the way that he goes about his game. He plays downhill, there's a burst to him. He's got deep speed to carry routes as you can see here from the clips. He returns punts as you see and he's just got that ability when you play him, like when he goes onto the field. He does everything in his power to try and win every single snap. I think he will be a guy that might be available for you there in the third round. I think maybe some other teams are looking at him. Maybe he will go a little bit higher than that. But man, he is a tremendous player and he fits a. Really a need here for this organization.

[Zach Wolczyk]

If you had to go Noah Williams or Parrish from K State in the third.

[Brian Broaddus]

And I love Parrish as a. The nickel player.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

I'm taking this kid right here. I think I could do a lot more with him. I know the nickel stuff is important, but if I had this kid on the outside, I think I could play. I think I could play our guy inside.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bland.

[Brian Broaddus]

Bland. Yeah. So I would. Would kind of. That. That's my. That would be my plan. But Parish is a heck of a player. Don't get me wrong about that either.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Former receiver in high school. And he uses those ball skills he does in the secondary. Had seven interceptions last year. Also. He's an Oxnard native, so yes, he is.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Be a homecoming for him for training camp.

[Nick Harris]

Some ways familiarity with him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Played on those fields when he grew up playing out at the River Ridge.

[Nick Harris]

Sports Complex, dodging the Gophers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, all the time.

[Zach Wolczyk]

He does have a lot of Duron Bland to his game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He does. And when you look at the first two rounds of cornerbacks, I think there are options there. If you don't come out of the first two rounds with a corner and he's sitting there at 76, I think that would be an awesome option.

[Zach Wolczyk]

There's several corners I think in round three that I'm pretty excited about. Riley from Louisville would be an interesting one to discuss as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. The name that I had was. Was a corner in the second was Maxwell Hairston from Kentucky. If he ends up falling the 44 Knicks trying to give him away in the first round.

[Zach Wolczyk]

He's a tremendous athlete. He might end up great player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Great player. You talk about a guy who has Duron Bland tendencies. He had five interception which. Five interceptions which led the sec. Three of those were returned for touchdowns. So he's got the same kind of. I think he's your Jordan Lewis replacement with the Duron Bland interception and ball hawking mentality. Had success playing both man and zone coverage. Fluid movement. He was great at the Senior Bowl. Nose for the football. You can tell he watches a ton of film. He's got a good knowledge for the game. A little bit light in some places. Not a sure tackler at times. I thought that was where he probably lacked the most. But his production stood out in the way that he kind of led. That Kentucky defense was impressive and I think he would be an incredible pick for the Cowboys if he fell to 44. Here's one of the touchdowns that he ended up returning that was Pretty pitch and catch at that point. But I think he's your Jordan Lewis replacement with Duron Bland. Upside too, which would be really fun overall.

[Nick Harris]

And I think he's a guy you could trust on the outside. Until Trayvon Diggs. Yeah.

[Zach Wolczyk]

6, 186. He's got good size. His ability to track the ball is pretty rare.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And versatility, too, which you can kind of bank on one way or the other. All right, Tyler wants to know, would you rather, in your first three round picks, would you rather draft one all pro caliber player and two role slash backup players in your first three selections? So one all Pro, two role players, or would you rather gain three solid starters for the foreseeable future?

[Nick Harris]

Three solid starters, Absolutely.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's no doubt.

[Brian Broaddus]

What position is the all pro player?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, he doesn't specify, but just let's play.

[Nick Harris]

Let's go.

[Chris Beam]

Corner.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yep. For that.

[Zach Wolczyk]

No, not three solid starters. Not compared to the three solid starters.

[Nick Harris]

I would love it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What about. Okay, what about wide receiver?

[Brian Broaddus]

Do you feel like, do you feel like that you could beat Philadelphia with three solid starters?

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah, I think that's going to help you out a lot.

[Nick Harris]

Again, depends on where the positions are.

[Brian Broaddus]

That's why I asked.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What if the all pros at wide receivers.

[Brian Broaddus]

That's what I'm saying. If you get a guy to all pro wide receivers, that'd be wild. Because the strength of the Philadelphia Eagles, in my opinion, is the secondary for them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, it is.

[Brian Broaddus]

With the way that they got, you know, with Mitchell. Mitchell. Yeah. And they, and they got rid of the one guy that's really. They've got rid of a couple of guys, you know, Gardner, Johnson, they, you know, they got rid of a couple of problems. They're going to probably get better there. You know, I was just wondering, like I say, I think anytime you have an all pro player that, you know, somebody that could tilt the field in your direction, the three solid starters. Three solid starters, to me is, is like some of the guys that you've had here, like Chauncey Golston, that's three solid starters, isn't it?

[Zach Wolczyk]

I mean, he didn't, he didn't really start for you until this year and it was injury related.

[Nick Harris]

I don't know if I'd call Chauncey Golson a solid starter.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I think it'd be like Anthony Hitchens would be a solid starter.

[Brian Broaddus]

Give me, give me, give me a three, Give me, give me a, give me a starter, then that. A capable starter. Whatever.

[Nick Harris]

You're solid starter. I'm looking like a Jake Ferguson type. That's a solid starter.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Solid starter.

[Nick Harris]

Okay. Cooper BB Solid starter.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Well, now, come on, he's got all pro potential.

[Nick Harris]

That's. But that's kind of the even.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ferguson made a Pro bowl in 23, so that's, I mean that's even going high end of a solid starter. If you could get three Jake Fergusons like Jordan Lewis. Solid starter or did a. I just don't know.

[Brian Broaddus]

I just don't know if you could beat teams. I don't think you could beat the Eagles and the, the Detroit Lions. You know, some of these teams with just solid starters. I just don't think.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Well, you've got the two all pro corners and has that worked?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Right.

[Nick Harris]

They've barely been healthy and I just.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Think this team needs just how they build. I think I just need the starters to be able to fill out the roster.

[Brian Broaddus]

Oh, they're good at getting solid starters. Yeah, they're.

[Zach Wolczyk]

They're good. I hear you.

[Brian Broaddus]

They're. They're good at that. When this team was really, when they're winning 12 games, what they do, they went out and they had all pro. They had all pro guards, you know, at all. You know, they had all pro players. That, that, to me, that, that makes a difference. And I think in this day and age, solid starters, great depth, great. You know, it gets you nine, ten wins.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

You know, but give me the all pros.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is a good question because you can look at it either way and there's a good chance that one or the other happens or that neither happens and it ends up being a complete wash. All right. Oswaldo wants to know, given that there are four big needs and he listed his four big needs as wide receiver, running back, corner and one Tech, would you rather use that fifth round pick, the first one. The first fifth round pick, or trade it for an established player at one of those positions? Since you can take three of those positions in the first three rounds and then use the first three.

[Brian Broaddus]

I'd like to know from you guys real quick if you could do it. You got the three that he named, the four positions he named. Give me the positions you would eliminate that you can't take because you've only got. You've got, you've got. He's got four positions, but you three premium picks and you got three picks.

[Tommy Yarish]

Eliminate one probably it was wide receiver.

[Brian Broaddus]

Corner, defensive tackle, one technique and running back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Correct.

[Nick Harris]

I'd probably eliminate one Tech, but that doesn't mean I'm comfortable at one Tech.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I Would agree with that. I would take. Because I would rather have a receiver running back corner.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think I'm with you guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But man, I still don't feel good about what they need.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I think they need a one tag. I really, really do.

[Nick Harris]

But I would say in this scenario, if you're trying to trade a fifth round pick for an established veteran that already exists out there, you probably have a better chance of getting a legitimate receiver with a fifth round pick than you would any of those other positions.

[Brian Broaddus]

You gave up a four and we're arguing about Mingo right now.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Yeah. No kidding, right? That's crazy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Harris]

We already did that. Oswaldo.

[Brian Broaddus]

No, I just. No, we can answer his question. I was just. Just curious of which position you guys would say. I got four. I got four needs and I've got only three spots.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

Which one are you going to eliminate?

[Tommy Yarish]

I think one Tech. Because even if you. You need those three other positions more, I think is one and two. I think this defensive tackle class is deep enough to where if you can't use that fifth to trade for an establishment.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's true.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah. But is it deep in the running.

[Brian Broaddus]

Back'S pretty deep in the fifth round.

[Tommy Yarish]

I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying.

[Brian Broaddus]

I know you're not, but I'm just telling you what you're saying. Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think though, for what the Cowboys need, just because you still have, whether people like it or not, you still have Mozzie Smith there who's an option for you. He needs to take the next step, but he's still there. And I think that this class is deep enough and they've made the moves in free agency enough to where that's the room that you look at and say, okay, this is maybe one that we can. If we decide to not trade for established player or even an earlier pick, you think about if they package maybe some picks to get back into the fourth round or something like that. I think that would be the spot.

[Brian Broaddus]

Is there any chance that they could go and not draft a in the of the four and eliminate a wide receiver?

[Nick Harris]

Say that again.

[Brian Broaddus]

Eliminate a wide receiver. Can you eliminate or the four in good conscious. Can you eliminate the wide receiver?

[Zach Wolczyk]

No. I mean it's the momentum, what they.

[Brian Broaddus]

Have currently on the roster.

[Zach Wolczyk]

No, I mean it seems like that could be the pick at 12 right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolczyk]

So if you go from like possibly taking a wide receiver in the first round, I don't think that's going to be eliminated in the first three rounds.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, it goes back to the conversation that and I think we'll get deeper into this on Thursday. When is the latest you can take a wide receiver that you automatically feels better than? Jalen, Tolbert and Cabot.

[Brian Broaddus]

See that And Mingo, they're going to give us that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where do you feel like there is a guy that's better than those guys right now? Because right now you might have a first or a second round pick that's able to come in and immediately be that number two to CD Lamb. But outside of that you don't take one of the first two rounds. It's not like corner where there's a no Williams sitting there and he could possibly be a starting caliber player right off the bat. I don't think I feel comfortable at wide receiver past 44 at what we.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Need them to do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I think if you're not just looking for a dude, you've got a bunch of dudes. Bingo. Tolbert, Turpin, you got a couple guys there. But I need a guy that's going to come in and immediately be a starter at wide receiver. And if you don't get one at 12 or at 44, I don't think 76 is going to give that to you.

[Zach Wolczyk]

So you want to be able to pencil in. This is my wide receiver too, going into training camp.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach Wolczyk]

And I hear what you're saying and I think, I think just looking at my stack defensive tackle would be the one that I'd wait on because I think in the fifth round I feel better about the D tackles than I do about any of those other positions. I mean could, could you end up being able to get a horsely from, from Boston College? Could he end up being there? JJ Peggies at Ole Miss be a guy that hangs around a little bit and he's kind of more of Georgia at 309. But I mean he's a, he's a wide body. Either way they need defensive, they need interior help. So I mean there's just a lot. C.J. west.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolczyk]

See a guy that could, can maybe be there for you in the fifth.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. If he's there.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

C.J.

[Nick Harris]

Was getting a lot of third round love.

[Brian Broaddus]

Get ready guys. When we're sitting in the fourth round without a pick, get ready for the run. Get ready for the run that we observed last year at running back on these 320 pound defensive tackles. And you're going to see it. And you know what? And I was on with the Giants on their pocket. They're looking for a defensive tackle help. Believe it or not, they have one of the best one techniques in the league. They're looking for one technique and they're looking for a three technique. They need to nail it to get better. The Giants might start the run in the second round. You know something? Keep an eye on there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Voch is in our YouTube chat, by the way. He's taken over Twitter on the 20 and he's not even here. But he said running back, wide receiver. Excuse me. Yeah, running back, wide receiver, defensive tackle. So one tech in this conversation. Who's playing corner for you? That's my question. Where are you playing?

[Brian Broaddus]

Who's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you can trade a fifth round pick, go get a starting corner. I don't know if that's super available. Teams aren't just shipping off starting cornerbacks out there. I think it's more likely you could trade for a wide receiver, too and draft those other three positions. But if we're just eliminating a position, I don't know how you can look at wide receiver, running back and corner and not use those.

[Zach Wolczyk]

You got a guy in Miami, all of a sudden he wants to be traded.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that'd be interesting.

[Brian Broaddus]

Nick, in your fourth round, give me a guy, a wide receiver that might be in the fifth round.

[Nick Harris]

Wide receiver.

[Brian Broaddus]

A fourth round on your board.

[Nick Harris]

Fifth or fourth.

[Brian Broaddus]

A fourth round wide receiver. A fourth round wide receiver you think might slide into the fifth because you might have them a little higher than everybody else.

[Nick Harris]

Dante Thornton Jr. Out of Tennessee.

[Brian Broaddus]

There you go. There's a guy, a big guy that can fly.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I got him in the fifth.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Six, five, two, 15.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I mean. And we all know about Tennessee receivers. We all understand that their vertical game, their route tree is not great. That kid makes plays, though.

[Zach Wolczyk]

He does.

[Brian Broaddus]

Do you feel like that? Do you feel like that? You know, do you feel like. And I mentioned wide receiver again. Do you feel good enough? You have him. Would you like to pick him? If you didn't pick a wide receiver in the first or the second or the third, would you feel good about him picking him in the fifth to.

[Nick Harris]

Be my wide receiver too, on this team? I mean, it would be. I wouldn't feel good about it. No, but it's what you would have to do. I mean, 65205. He certainly got the size, big play machine. He led the FBS in yards per reception last year. I put in my notes. It was basically if DK Metcalf could just run. Go balls.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

He could only one run catches, slants and Stuff.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, he does, he does. It's just. It's the, it's. It's the over the top stuff that really. It's the short to intermediate game he has. No, no, he doesn't have a lot of love there.

[Zach Wolczyk]

He's a little bit of a one big pony for me.

[Brian Broaddus]

They don't run a lot of routes. I think Tennessee, we know this about when. With Hyatt and guys like that. It was a lot, a lot of this game, you know, and I don't know, man, that. That size, that speed, if you get him in. I mean, to me, when you watch him run routes and I like where you have the kid, by the way. I just said when you watch him play, to me, if somebody got somebody like that and coached him to the point where he can do more stuff with the underneath things and stuff, with his speed, he should be able to scare corners to death, much like what golden does in Texas. When you get off coverage and that guy's flying at you and you know damn good and well this kid's going to run 4, 3 and run right by you like this highlight right there. You know, you're going to. You're going to make some people have to play you a little bit differently, if you understand. Like I said, I think Tennessee passing game route tree stuff is horrendous. But this kid. Look at this right here. Look at that right there. Just break inside and set in the instant separation. Big hands and. Yeah, that's good. To Oklahoma, I believe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Six. Yeah. So six, five.

[Brian Broaddus]

I like. We got him, Nick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is he.

[Brian Broaddus]

He might be going in. He might. You had him in the fourth. You said I'm in the fourth. Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What about 4, 205 and he can run a 4, 3.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Oh, he's a Blazer.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's certainly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because of traits.

[Nick Harris]

Could definitely see a team swinging on him because of traits. I mean, there's so many traits. Teams out there that really swing on these types of guys earlier than they should. I. But I think this would be one where you could probably justify it a little bit more.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I'd argue for Ty Felton, I think, over him.

[Brian Broaddus]

The Miami, Maryland. Right.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yeah. And this is a guy that you talk about being an issue for corners. He drew three pass interference calls. I mean, he just finds a way to get behind the defense and can accelerate. I mean, his game against USC was really, really impressive. He is thin, though, much like Thornton. Like, this guy's got a very, very thin frame, but he finds A way to get open it past the secondary and the second level puts a lot of stress on corners. So Ty Felton I liked a little bit more than Dante Thornton Jr. From Tennessee and then Pat Bryant we've talked about before Brian out of Illinois. I don't. I've got him in the fourth. I might have him higher than other people do. I love Pat Brian, his ability to win contested catches. I think he's one of the more underrated wide receivers in this class.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He torched some guys at the, at the Senior bowl specifically a couple different times. Tommy and I were watching him ruin careers out there for a little bit.

[Tommy Yarish]

Not great for certain folks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh yeah. Do you have anybody Tommy that you would put on that list at wide receiver? Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

In that fourth round picture I think four or five you know guys that I've got there would be Restrepo from Miami, Horton from Colorado State. I'm higher on most I think with Jacore Brooks from Louisville. I think really Brooks would be, would be one for me that I really like. This is a guy who was a former five star, went to Alabama, didn't really work out for him there but had a good year at Louisville and you know you, you look at, it's more of an upside pick I think but big body, six two, 184 pounds. You know you would have to take a chance on this guy. His first team All ACC, 1000 yard season, 9 touchdowns started in 12 games this past year for, for Louisville and he's kind of a roller coaster when you watch him. Sometimes it'll all be there there and sometimes it won't but you know the, the frame and the ability to go up and get the ball. I think it was a Shrine bowl guy too if I'm not mistaken. He was had a pretty good week over there. So again a later round guy, you might even be able to get him later than, than in the fifth but just a guy that watching his tape.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I really like and he had QB2 in this draft throwing him the football and Tyler. All right, I'm just kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

[Tommy Yarish]

Let's back that Louisville.

[Nick Harris]

He'll be 22.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, probably. All right, we gotta take that second break. When we come back we've got some tell me mores that the guys are going to bring to the table. A couple guys that we haven't hit yet and want to tell you more about more of the draft show coming up right after this.

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[Brian Broaddus]

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[Nick Harris]

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[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, something a beanie. It's gonna be a little bit. It's gonna be a little chilly there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did you hold on to any of your oh gosh, Green Bay like throwback stuff?

[Brian Broaddus]

Got all my old rain suits. Yeah. You never know when you need a rain suit while you're fishing. I've fished in a Jacksonville Jaguar rain suit before. Green Bay, Philly. I've done it all. I used to give all my clothing though when I was in Philly to the homeless guys on the streets. I used to, I'd see him and I'd stop my. Some of my guys had some big old starter those sleeping bag jackets.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolczyk]

So awesome.

[Brian Broaddus]

I get it. I'd get a new one like every week and just give it to a homeless guy out there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, that's kind of cool.

[Brian Broaddus]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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So that's unfortunate.

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That's okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, now moving into. Tell me more. We got a couple minutes.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. Real quickly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just want to mention it. Stephen Jones on the fan just now talking with the KNC masterpiece. Who's on on the midday. They asked Stephen about trade up scenarios. He said he doesn't necessarily and I'M paraphrasing here. Doesn't necessarily see a situation where they would trade up because of what the board may look like, but there is a possibility that they would trade backwards. And that's kind of what we've talked about. We've hit that a couple times throughout these last few episodes. If you want to go listen to those, go ahead and click on that and go back and listen. But we may talk about that more come draft night and what that possibility may look like. But Stephen making it very clear trading up doesn't sound like it's a huge possibility here. Let's go into some Tell me more. Zach, I'll start with you. Who's a guy you want to talk about, Right.

[Zach Wolczyk]

So I put out a post hey, who who did the fans want to hear about? I got a lot about Andrew Armstrong, the wide receiver out of Arkansas now the Beast. Our buddy Dane Brugler had him as an undrafted free agent.

[Nick Harris]

Yes he did.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I do think that he's worthy of a 6th or 7th round pick. Personal 64202 Big body. Transferred from East Texas A and M red shirt senior. He led the SEC in receptions, yards and receiving yards per game and to be honest, that was with a subpar quarterback in my opinion. Caught a pass in 39 straight games to end his career as a local kid. So he was a Dallas guy. Visit played at Bishop Dunn very productive over the last two seasons at Arkansas. He's long skinny, big body, true possession type of wide receiver. Now he's not going to give you a ton after the catch, right? He's a little bit limited, you could say maybe some stinks stiff hips. But I like his ability to win off the ball initially at the snap he's pretty clean. Not the greatest route runner in terms of creating separation, but he's got tremendous hands. I mean this guy pretty much caught everything that I saw thrown his way. So I love his ability when you get plays that are broken down and now he's got to play out of structure. He does an excellent job understanding levels and working himself open to where he can get into the sight line of the quarterback. Armstrong big bodied guy. If you're looking for somebody that can play the X, be a possession receiver, move the chains for you. I'd take a flyer on him Late.

[Tommy Yarish]

Day three I'm going to say this as a compliment. He is a not as athletic, slower CD lamb that that's kind of what.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I what I look at the number two.

[Tommy Yarish]

He doesn't. Well yeah, well not only does he look, the white.

[Zach Wolczyk]

No, I'm with you.

[Tommy Yarish]

But the way that he, like I said, it's not polished. I'm not comparing him to CD Lamb whatsoever. But, but you just look at kind of the route tree that he's got and the way that he runs. It looks a lot like, you know, what number two at Oklahoma looked like.

[Zach Wolczyk]

I got some Marquis Colston vibes when you watched him. Just that big bottom.

[Nick Harris]

I like that.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Finds a way to just kind of make, make it happen for you. And, and he, he is slippery after the catch, but he's definitely not a burner. I mean this guy doesn't have a ton of explosiveness.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Tommy, who you got?

[Tommy Yarish]

All right, I got one for you. Give me a Ty Robinson from Nebraska, defensive tackle, six five, 288 pounds. So he's on the. This guy is really twitchy off the line of scrimmage four eight, three in the 40. Those the fastest amongst all defensive tackles. The other red flag is he's going to be 24 when the season starts. But when you turn the film on, like I said, for his size, he's got great twitch. Wears the 288lbs like he's 315. I mean he is yoked. Just look at the size of his biceps here on the film. He is massive. Plays a lot heavier. I feel like he can line up anywhere on the line from right over the center to coming off the edge. Uses his hands really well, throws guys off of him as great swim move to get into the backfield as a pass rusher or stopping the run really strong with his hands. But when the offensive line sets their base and they, he can kind of be stopped in his track sometimes. So there are, there are, there are flashes of that play strength, but there are also flashes where, where he gets, you know, stopped up pretty quickly by maybe a stock, your guy who has a better base. But he's a really smart football player. He can kind of do it all from a pass rushing perspective and a run stopping perspective. I love the versatility that he bring just in terms of where he can line up on the line of scrimmage. I think this is going to be a really good player. I've got him in the third or fourth round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He plays with some grit, doesn't he?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, kind of nasty.

[Zach Wolczyk]

He's a true old school.

[Tommy Yarish]

Textbook corn fed Nebraska corn Husker. I mean this guy always goes after the ball. When he's going after the quarterback, he's swatting at the ball, trying to punch it out he's lined up at fullback here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I did love that he's just.

[Tommy Yarish]

Throwing guys out of the way so this guy can do it all. He's uber athletic. I love the film a lot and I love the player a lot now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He kind of reminds me a little bit just from watching some of these tapes of John Ridgeway a couple years back. You know, nasty grit, kind of a back and forth player, old school like you said, defensive tackle who gets active in the passing game. He never really panned out in Dallas but he's had a decent career with the Washington Commanders over the last few years. So a little John Ridgeway to his game. Brian, who's your guy?

[Brian Broaddus]

I'm going to stump beam on this one. You're going to have film on this guy, guarantee. Jackson Slater, center, guard tackle from Sac State. Sac State. And this guy he played. Yeah, he played left guard. If he does man, I will be amazed. But he played left guard. He's lined up some at tackle right there.

[Tommy Yarish]

God, I love Chris Beamer boy Beamer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's all right.

[Nick Harris]

I'm a stump him.

[Brian Broaddus]

All these years. I should have, I should have known not to. Not to play that game. But this guy has, he's played, he's. When you, when you. The reason I like this kid is he's 6 3, he's 311. The thing about him is though, he's played all the offensive line position. I think he's going to be a center. This guy's kind of a pull a pin and pull expert. And if Dallas is going to go to a scheme where they play with lead blockers and they play with pulling getting guys on the second level. Jackson Slater from Sac State can buy. Can be a guy. This guy's got a burst, he's got some, he's got range, he's got quickness out of his state. He's one of these guys that's got, he's got some stoutness to him though. When he gets guys head up on him. He could sit down on him and see right there he's looking, look at that. That was a nasty play right there. He was able to kind of help his center a little bit. They get that secured there against Fresno and then they punish the edge. That's the kind of demeanor this kid has. He's a four year starter here at Sac State. This is very similar to. We're talking about bland. You know that Fresno got this got bland. I think somebody in the Pac 12 at the time missed this kid. I think he he's got that kind of ability. I have him in the fifth round though. But if you're looking for pen and pull athletic offensive linemen, Jackson Slater is your guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love it. I love it. He did it wrong. All right, you said you're going to stump him, Nick.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got two minutes left to stump the.

[Tommy Yarish]

From like Texas Baptist.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So East Texas A and M now. Yeah, they've switched.

[Nick Harris]

There is a East Texas batters though. See back in 2021 the, the Broncos, they took a swing in the third round on Quine, on Quinn Miners and he, he has ended up being one of the best guards in the NFL and they're really looking strong about that one. They got him from the Division 3 ranks at Wisconsin Whitewater. Granted that's one of the best Division 3 programs in the country. But I'm going to go back to D3 country. Let me take you to the Green Mountain. Mountain State. We're gonna go take a look at Thomas Perry.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Yes.

[Nick Harris]

Thomas the Tank out of, out of Middlebury College. And, and yeah, Thomas the Tank. They, they got used to calling him during Shrine bowl week. I, I had asked a couple of offensive lines. Damn it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

Looks like high school.

[Zach Wolczyk]

This guy's.

[Brian Broaddus]

Oh, here we go.

[Zach Wolczyk]

He's a Duke many weather special right here. Duke is working with him and, and I, I'm with you. This is a hell of a play here. Nick, I love this pick for you.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, he's a, he's a Mauler. He played a left guard for three years, three year starter and whenever he had that uptick in competition from the Shrine bowl he shined and it was a weak offensive line class in my opinion at the Shrine Bowl. I thought he was the standout throughout the week from, from those guys. But talking to offensive line people last week and also kind of reading the tea leaves as far as visits he's taken. This guy's going to get drafted, drafted. He's going to get drafted day three and someone's going to take a swing on him to be, to be a Day 3 type selection. But yeah, this is a, this is a guy that I think could end up being pretty, pretty dominant at the next level. He's got, he's got the strength, he's got the finish. He's dominant against these guys in the D3 level, which is what you want to see. Could be a little bit longer, could be a little bit bigger, but I mean at six, two and a half, 309, I, I, he could, he could definitely fill out and, and add a couple of pounds to his game and be fine. But the one big question that I have is like the most of what he did at Middlebury. He was lining up in a two point stance. But I think if, I think you just get the right offensive line coach in his development, he'll be ready to go. And again he showed that he can stand up at the Shrine bowl and these, these offensive line trainers really like this guy. They think he's going to be a sleeper in this draft and he's going to, he's going to come out on top.

[Zach Wolczyk]

He was dominant in every single rep at the Shrine bowl getting to cover those practices and he went up against some really good defensive tackles that were there. We're talking to Jordan Phillips out of Maryland & Co. C.J. west was there out of Indiana. And his ability to sit down and hold his own against those with a really strong anchoring base and the heart that this dude plays with, that's a hell of a call right there. Thomas the Tank. I love that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dude. I've got one that I've switched my guy completely because I just want to try and see if I can stump beam before we end out here. Good luck. Everybody's over right now I'm going to go with out of Miami, Ohio. Brian Ugwu I believe is how you say his name. Transfer from Rutgers, 6 foot 3, 250 plus pound. He was first team all Mac last year. The Mac attack. Played really well against Notre Dame. Had a couple tackles for loss in that matchup. Played well in multiple sacks against Eastern Michigan against Ohio as well. I like his bend off the edge. He's a little slow on his get off a little bit. I'm waiting for the I know for the B roll to step up. Number eight. He wore number eight Beamer in the red for Miami Ohio. Might have got gotten him, I may have gotten him, I don't know but either that or he's not in the draft and I just missed him on on my list and I put him on there. Edge rusher is what he.

[Zach Wolczyk]

Is. He's in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Draft. Edge rusher Chris Beam. All right, here we go. Now only watch. I only watched the Notre Dame game. He stuck out a little bit and that's where I say he had two tackles for lost in that game. But I thought he was fun. I would probably take a flyer on him late day three but if you're hunting traits he's got long arms, got some good bend to him. Wasn't a combine invite but Overall a pretty solid player out of the Mac and had some production throughout his team the last couple of years. Was second team all Mac in.

[Tommy Yarish]

2023. You still still played in an all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pro? Sorry buddy. I was actually picking it because I thought since he had been an all all conference player you would come up with it. But sorry to end on a.

[Brian Broaddus]

Loan. He'll get him in. He'll get him in the system before the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Draft. It'll be there on Thursday. We'll bring it. All right guys, that's going to do it for us here on the draft show. We'll be back on Thursday when we'll be one week out. Can't wait for next week's coverage. Remember draft one on one on Thursday evening. We'll remind you again on Thursday during our show. But make some plans. Get out there to the North Central Expressway in the fan showroom, get to meet us and get to talk a little bit of draft and have some water burger as well. For Nick Harris, Tommy Yaris, Brian brought a sack. Wolf Chuck, Chris Beam doing some incredible work in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the draft show. We'll see you on Thursday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about this.

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