Draft Show: Combine Concerns?

Summary

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The Draft Show: "Combine Concerns?" – March 3, 2026

Podcast: The Draft Show
Host: Dallas Cowboys
Panel: Kyle Yeomans, Bobby Belt, Voch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam
Topic: 2026 NFL Scouting Combine reactions, Cowboys draft outlook, prospect interviews & medical concerns

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Episode Overview

This episode marks the return of the full Draft Show crew to break down the whirlwind of the NFL Combine and forecast how the Dallas Cowboys might navigate the 2026 NFL Draft. With insight from the entire team and a focus on real-time combine reports, formal meeting confusion, risers and fallers, and inside anecdotes from prospects and staff, this episode is vital listening for Cowboys fans and draft diehards.

Main Theme:
Dissecting the biggest stories and takeaways from the 2026 NFL Combine, including standout prospects, rumors about interview and medical red flags, and strategizing how the Cowboys might approach picks 12 and 20.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Combine Meeting Chaos and Reporting (02:05–06:20)

• The combine is filled with rumors about “formal” meetings between teams and prospects. The staff explained how confusing the reporting can be and why the numbers often balloon (claims of “87 formal meetings” for the Cowboys).
• Chris Beam detailed the grueling process of tracking formal meetings and why the data is unreliable:

  "Take that formal meeting list with a grain of salt." (03:39)

• Bobby Belt mentioned the trend of agents encouraging players to say they've met formally with every team to raise their stock (05:00).
• Voch Lombardi: “There’s no negative to saying you’re meeting with every team in the NFL formally. That sounds really good for you." (05:50)

2. The Real Value of the Combine (07:24–09:22)

• The Combine is more than just drills—it's networking, insider gossip, and a meeting ground for all league decision-makers.
• Voch Lombardi: “It is the greatest hub of information that exists in the NFL offseason, not just for draft.” (08:27)
• The panel agrees the real “mess” (information and rumors) are more valuable than on-field testing.

3. Prospect Stock Risers and Fallers (09:40–16:23)

Standouts & Risers

• Dylan Thieneman, S, Oregon:
  Ran 4.35s in the 40, 41" vertical, strong all-around athlete.
  Tommy Yarish: “I would take him at 20 if I’m Dallas, and that kind of cemented it for me.” (09:56)
• Mike Washington Jr., RB, Arkansas:
  Weighed 223 lbs, ran a 4.33, led SEC with 6.4 YPC.
  “Probably had the best week of any running back at the combine.” (09:56)
• Sonny Styles, LB:
  Exceptional interviews and athleticism likely push him into the top 7–8.
  Voch Lombardi: “I think he’s pretty much solidified himself … I think it’s really hard to see Styles slipping out of the top seven or eight.” (12:22)
• Monroe Freeling, OT, Georgia:
  “This is a first round guy to me now.” (14:37)
• Traidan Stukes, S, Arizona:
  Unheralded but tested very well and has strong tape (14:41)
• Jeremy Bernard, WR, Alabama highlighted as a day two target.

Fallers & Red Flags

• Our Mason Thomas, Edge:
  Disappointing 40-yard dash (4.7 at 240 lbs). (12:22)
• Keldrick Faulk, Edge:
  Underwhelming testing (12:22).
• Nadame Tucker, Edge, Western Michigan:
  Ran a 4.73, not ideal for an undersized edge. (15:57)
• Jermod McCoy:
  Didn’t work out due to injury—concerns about medical redshirt status. (13:05–14:13)

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4. Interview & “Weirdness” Concerns: The Makai Lemon Case (16:24–23:06)

• Chris Beam raised the issue of Makai Lemon's reportedly strange combine experience:
  • Poor attention in drills (“literally from the broadcast being told…” 16:56)
  • Rumors of bombing formal interviews.
• Panel on perception:

  “Wide receiver’s always been weird people… you can superstar your way into being aloof.” (17:25, Bobby Belt)

• Nick Harris:

  “If scouts or college coaches describe you as a ‘weird dude’… it never means in a good way.” (18:46)

• Voch Lombardi:

  “In that setting, I want players to lock in and take this thing seriously.” (17:31)

• Past examples highlighted: George Pickens, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson—players fell due to interview reputation but became good pros. (22:18–22:33)

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5. Cowboys Draft Strategy, Day-One Starter Needs & Downs’ Medical Rumors (29:48–36:49)

• Day-One Impact:
  Committee leans toward immediate contributors (e.g., RF Keldrick Falk, Jermod McCoy off the board as possible redshirts).
• Plug-and-Play Prospects at 12 or 20:
  • Ruben Bain, Monsour Delane, C.J. Allen, Dylan Thieneman all cited as ready now. (30:25–31:51)
• Caleb Downs Medical Rumor:
  • Rumors of a partially torn meniscus and possible degenerative ACL. (31:51–34:11)
  • Most teams do not have red flags (34:11); it is uncertain how each medical staff will interpret it.
  • Weighing the pros and cons of drafting Downs if he might redshirt or have shortened career ala Todd Gurley.

    “He could have an amputated left ankle; I’m still taking him at 12.” – Chris Beam (32:10)
    "If I'm building for a decade... but what this team's trying to do right now…"
    – Nick Harris (35:00)

Debate: Is it worth taking Downs for unrealized future vs. a pro-ready now?

• If the window is now (2026–2028), passing on a redshirt makes sense even for a blue chip.
• “At the end of the day, I'm taking two years of Caleb Downs over three years of anyone else.” – Chris Beam (37:16)

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6. Draft Needs by Position – Where Can Dallas Upgrade? (49:50–54:08)

• Linebacker:
  Anyone drafted in the top 3–4 rounds probably upgrades current roster. (50:28–51:05)
• Edge:
  Most Day 1/Day 2 picks start over current incumbents. (51:22–51:47)
• Cornerback:
  If Bland & Revel healthy—nickel competition opens up in 4th round. Rookies generally need time. (52:27–53:35)
• Safety:
  Deepest class in years—could get a quality option into 4th/5th round. (53:57–54:08)

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7. Cowboys’ Scheme and Draft Priorities Post-Combine (54:25–58:18)

• Christian Parker’s influence:
  • Emphasis on nickel corner as a “do everything” defender.
  • Roster still needs pass rush juice—possibly leads to early investment at edge.
  • Defensive tackle depth is solid; focus is on outside linebacker/edge.
  • “If James Houston and Jadeveon Clowney are your next best options… you won’t have a very good pass rush.” (54:42, Tommy Yarish)
• Strong suggestion that Dallas will “bust the budget” to sign a pass rusher in free agency (58:16).

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8. Combine Medical Red Flags Watch (58:18–61:29)

• Beyond Downs, the only major medical chatter is Ahmad Moses, SMU S, needing fusion surgery (like Damone Clark).
• Most medical notes will come out after full staff reviews; interview performance is being discussed more intensely right now:
  • Sonny Styles, J. McCoy, Colton Hood cited as elite interviewees.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamp Highlights

• Kyle Yeomans pays tribute to Tommy’s “wrap up” article:

  “I thought Tommy did a great job on DallasCowboys.com. It’s a good roadmap.” (01:36)

• Chris Beam explains the futility of tracking ‘formal meetings’:

  “We cross 45 and we’re like, oh…” (03:28)

• Nick Harris on "weird" interview rep:

  “If scouts or college coaches describe you as a weird dude… it's never anything good.” (18:46)

• Chris Beam on Caleb Downs:

  “He could have an amputated left ankle; I’m still taking him at 12.” (32:10)

• Tommy Yarish with humor:

  “Makai Lemon is a communications major at USC… as a fellow communication major, I also am not good at math.” (20:50)

• Voch Lombardi on combine’s real value:

  “You don’t even have to ask. Sometimes you’re just standing somewhere when big information is like, oh, it’s right there.” (08:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Combine formal/informal meetings: 02:05–06:20
• Combine’s off-field value: 07:24–08:27
• Stock up/down prospects: 09:40–16:23
• Makai Lemon/Interview Red Flags: 16:24–23:06
• Day-one starter debate: 29:48–36:01
• Caleb Downs medical rumor debate: 31:44–37:36
• Draft needs by position: 49:50–54:08
• Scheme conversations post-combine: 54:25–58:18
• Medical red flag watch: 58:18–61:29

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Memorable Moments

• The "87 formal meetings" joke, showing how unreliable public prospect/team meetings reporting really is.
• “Scouts gone wild” (09:22)—the combine compared to NFL spring break.
• Caleb Downs injury debate—where would the panel draw the line? Would you take a top prospect if he’s a redshirt?
• Makai Lemon’s combine blooper, missing a drill assignment after being told what to do on live TV (20:16). “Maybe he just has trouble with fractions…” (20:10, Voch).

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Conclusion

This episode provides a comprehensive, insider’s lens into the 2026 Combine and how the Dallas Cowboys may adjust their draft board in light of on-field and off-field developments. The panel remains bullish on immediate contributors, especially on defense, with notable skepticism toward ambiguous medical and interview information leaks. "Combine Concerns?" is a must-listen for any Cowboys or draft fan eager to understand not just who stood out, but why—and how those narratives are shaped behind closed doors.

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Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Bobby Belt]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frisco.

[Bobby Belt]

Now your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris,

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish and Kyle Yeomans. Today is Tuesday, March 3, 2026 and we are 51 days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome into the Draft show presented by Maloulite, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Yes, we are all back in the SWPC studios with Fotch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Irish, Bobby Belt, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Everybody is back in town, whether it be from the super bowl, the Senior bowl, the combine. Now it's the final push to the NFL draft. Gentlemen, it's good to be back in studio. How's it going, Nick?

[Chris Beam]

It's going fantastic. Man, what a week. Last week, right? Combine is the busiest week on the NFL calendar. Last year was no different and it was a lot of fun. I'm excited to dive into what we what we got out there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I thought Tommy did a great job on Dallas Cowboys dot com. He wrote a wrap up article where it's all the bullet points of like the storylines from the Cowboys and the storylines from the draft and things of the sort that are all easily digestible. So if you missed anything last week, one, go listen to the three shows that we recorded on radio Real, please. But then two, go ahead and check that out too because it's a good roadmap. But there's a lot of interesting tidbits and information that worked out there from the combine last week.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, well, first of all, thank you. Second of all, read all of our work here. Nick did a good job too. Bobby.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nick does a Rob.

[Tommy Yarish]

Listen to Bobby. Watch Vodch. And I guess Kyle was there too. But no, hashtag watch Fox. There you go. No, there was, you know, especially on the roster right now, right, like franchise tagging, George Pickens, which we knew was going to happen. It was only a matter of time. You think about the moves that players have made. Maris Levows going outside linebacker, Donovan Izaraku is an outside linebacker now, so that kind of gives you an idea of what they're thinking about there. And then just hearing about, you know, some of the young players that this team is really high on, like Israku Savone Revels name came up a lot. Jaden Blues name came up a lot while we were out there. So kind of gives you an idea of how this team is looking forward with some of these younger players. And also the, you know, the amount of defensive formal meetings that we saw there and that prospects were telling us they had with the Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, the 87 prospects.

[Tommy Yarish]

The 87 formal meetings that definitely all happened.

[Chris Beam]

So frustrating.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, Poor, poor kids.

[Chris Beam]

Can I give a little bit of a glimpse behind the scenes there?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Chris Beam]

So for like the first two days, we are working our butts off trying to figure out who these formal meetings are. And basically the situation is they. They rotate in by position group. So like, I guess Wednesday was D line or Thursday was DBS, right?

[Ad Read Voice]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

And then they stagger them every 20 minutes. And so you have eight going at a time during a 20 minute period. And then they stagger them and just keep rotating until they're done for the day. And that typically lasts about four hours. So myself, Tommy, few others, Nicole Hutchinson was in that group. There are a lot of people in that group that we basically split podiums up and we're trying to just ask everybody, hey, do you have a formal meeting with the Cowboys? For meeting with the Cowboys, we're like, man, the first day we like, man, we got 30. Like, we're already like knocking this out. And then like halfway through day two, we cross 45 and we're like, oh. And then we Hear that there's 10 formal meetings that were scheduled with offensive players and we haven't talked to one offensive player yet. We're like, damn. So, yeah, take that formal meeting list with a grain of salt. But I think there were some ones that were certainly on there.

[Tommy Yarish]

Go ahead.

[Chris Beam]

You got it.

[Tommy Yarish]

It happens every year. It happens every year. It's that, you know, some of these players, they don't know the difference between an informal or formal meeting. Or there's so much gray area where it's like, if you talk to NFC Scout for. With the Seahawks, for example, for 10 minutes in an elevator, do you consider that a formal meeting? And you know, they're asking all these

[Vach Lombardi]

questions stuck in the elevator.

[Tommy Yarish]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If.

[Tommy Yarish]

If. But from a player standpoint, right. How many of them? How many of them Are okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, guy.

[Tommy Yarish]

Thanks, guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So it was a big building.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, it was a big building.

[Tommy Yarish]

A lot of stories, 476 floors. But no, in that if you don't know the correct definitions of ins and outs and from an agent standpoint, too, if you're telling these players, like, hey, if you say you have a formal meeting with this team, it doesn't hurt you in any way. I don't think this is.

[Vach Lombardi]

That I had this. This was brought up because in the past it has, I think, typically been players not understanding necessarily what the definition of it is. It's. It's such a specific thing. A lot of guys can go like, yeah, I talked to him for an extended period of time. That that's a formal. Right. Like, a lot of them just didn't know somebody on the beat had suggested that was like, what if agents are just coaching players? And, and I went after. I heard that I wouldn't ask around. And I heard like, yeah, most agents are telling their players, if you get asked, did you have a formless team? Yep. Because the team's generally not going to circle back around and correct you if you're wrong. And it can only be good for you that. Look at all this buzz you're generating.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. And so we just asked that on the draft show.

[Vach Lombardi]

It was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was our second episode of the draft show last week when we kind of started seeing it. And that was the question was, is it an influence from your representation?

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because it's not necessarily a negative, right?

[Vach Lombardi]

No, there's no negative to saying you're meeting with every team in the NFL formally. That sounds really good for you. And so, yeah, last.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isn't it bad to lie, though?

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. I mean, not always. You know, then you just say. You just say that. Yeah. You didn't understand the definition of it. So I thought it's plausible deniability. It's technicalities, you know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. You know.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. So if, with that being said, does the list completely get thrown out the window or is this something that I think you have to just maneuver through?

[Chris Beam]

If you wanted to ask me about names individually, I have a pretty good grasp on who actually was and who wasn't at this point. Caleb Downs was. Yes.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

But there is not a next year. I will not be doing the same thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're not going to the podium.

[Chris Beam]

Not doing the podium. I'm going to chase it a different way.

[Vach Lombardi]

And so the Archer way.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, the Archer way. Or I Show up at 10 and just ask one person, which all respect to Archer. That's how he could do it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can I have the. Can you just give me the list? Like, let's just, like, save some time here. But now 45 meetings is what they're allowed to have, and then a lot of informal meetings, Fotch, based on your digestion of the. Of the combat. Yeah, but you. You read it, and you were.

[Vach Lombardi]

You were in spirit.

[Bobby Belt]

You know, I lean on y'.

[Vach Lombardi]

All.

[Bobby Belt]

Y' all my guys. I love y'.

[Vach Lombardi]

All.

[Bobby Belt]

You know what I'm saying? So I. I wasn't ready to take it seriously until Nick Harris says, hey, I saw such and such walking around the Star, or they was looking at the grass, or somebody's having food over in that section. When we hear people doing that, I go, oh, well, they're having lunch at the Star. Like, that's more important to me. Right? You know, as opposed to. I bumped into somebody at the combine, so I really didn't even care.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But in terms of the combine itself, what were some of the takeaways that you had from combine week and some of the rumors that you had maybe heard or maybe wanted to latch onto?

[Bobby Belt]

I'll tell you this, Kyle Yelms. I never really cared about combine in that way because I'm not media dude like y'.

[Chris Beam]

All.

[Bobby Belt]

So I thought combine was just, we gonna show up and watch people run. The good mess happened at the. At the combine, like, with the bumping into people and talking, you know, talking in the interviews and all this kind of stuff. So now I'm like, damn. Well, I would have loved to have bumped into somebody and asked somebody a weird question about something, or if I was at something that y' all was at, I would have loved to have been part of that, because I like information, good mess, and just learning stuff. I don't necessarily care about the workouts. Once I build my board, I'm mostly film anyway, you know what I'm saying? So even if I see Sonny Styles run around real fast, I knew Sonny Styles was big, and he run around real fast. I ain't. He was gonna jump the house, but I knew who he was, right? But if. I bout to say a bad joke, but look, if. But. But when the mess happens and Bobby go, hey, man, you know, I just bumped into Christian park, and he said, that's what I found valuable. So I want to go to combine next time.

[Ad Read Voice]

You.

[Vach Lombardi]

You should go to combat because it is the. It's such a. It is the greatest hub of information that exists in the NFL off season, not just for draft, like, that's the. For people who are explicitly draft focused, it's great. Then there's the. I heard Hellman talking about this a little bit with Dane. Like Dane is. He's focused on the draft. Hellman focuses on everything. So Hellman's week is split up much differently in terms of what he's trying to run down and run around and who he's trying to talk to. Dana's still taking up, like, focusing on a lot of this. You really run into a lot of that while you're out there just trying to manage your time of how to go around, how to find certain things. And the great thing about Indy is that you will just. You don't even have to ask. Sometimes you're just standing somewhere when big information is like, oh, it's right there. That's significant. Okay. It's just right here while you're sitting at dinner and it happens to be the next table over. And so it's. It's a great experience. You'd love it.

[Tommy Yarish]

It's like spring break for the NFL. Spring break for coaches, executives.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. Scouts gone wild. Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

See, I ain't want to say it because I was about to say, but no, just.

[Vach Lombardi]

I mean, it's a wild week. There's a lot of people talking about. There's a lot of things going on,

[Kyle Yeomans]

a lot of information.

[Chris Beam]

Will McClay with a shirt on.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Will be Clay here with his. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Combine standouts and storylines. I put it in the. In the rundown, two players that change their stock, whether it was good or bad at the NFL combine. Tommy, I'll start with you. Who were some of the guys that stood out and some of the guys that changed their stock?

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, we're positive here, so I'll go with two guys who changed them in a positive way. Number one for me, Dylan Thieman, the safety from Oregon, he ran much faster than I thought he did. Finished with a 4, 3, 5, 40, 41 inch vertical jump, 10 foot, 5 inch broad jump, and 18 reps on bench press. I don't really care about the bench press, but I think he's much faster than I thought he would be. And I already love Thieneman. You know, I would take him at 20 if I'm Dallas, and that kind of cemented it for me and I wouldn't really be shocked if he went higher. The other one that I've talked about a lot on the show, I really love this player and I just hope that he can hold on to the football is Mike Washington Jr. The running back from Arkansas. Uh, he probably had the best week of any running back from the comment. I think he had the fastest time for running backs in the 44, 33 and he's six 1, 223 pounds. So this is a big dude who was kind of a, a power back that had a little bit of burst to him and now he's got that much burst to him. So consider me a big fan, especially if he can hang on to the football. And you know, again, I go back to when I walk, when I walk back and look at some of the numbers for him, he's tied for the best in the SEC this past year was 6.5, excuse me, 6.4 yards per carry. So he was productive this past season and I think the testing numbers moved him up some more for me.

[Chris Beam]

Let me go last because I have a question to spur off of this.

[Tommy Yarish]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

I hate when I have questions, but you can have a question.

[Chris Beam]

I have one every once in a while.

[Bobby Belt]

That's crazy. Go ahead.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, no, I, I, I think Sonny Styles, like there, there was talk of like, well, what range could he go in? He is a, you know, an off ball linebacker. How much has that typically been valued by the NFL? I, I think Styles doing what he did, putting into pen like written next to his name. These are the times, this is what you did. And the way he just, you hear from Renly, the way he just blew away the interview process, I think it's really hard to see Styles slipping out of top seven to eight. And I mean, there was talk initially, I think early mock drafts had sonny going like 20 to Dallas early on in some of the mock draft season stuff. So I think he's pretty much solidified himself somebody who, who dinged themselves a little bit. I'll give you two. Our Mason Thomas did not run fast enough. Especially after he talked about, you know, Newton's second law is the reason why he can rush the passer. And it's talking about like speed. And it's like, all right, well then you can't run 47 at £240. That's just, that's not gonna cut it. And then he's been thought of as just, well, he's a freak. He's out of position. He, he needs to find the right fit and, and be asked to do some things NFL teams lets him do. But Keldrick Falk was, I know he didn't do the full athletic testing, but the vertical wasn't super impressive. He didn't look great. I didn't think the. The times that I saw him moving around. And so I thought Keldrick Falk was pretty disappointed because his whole trajectory is going to be based on what if? Yeah, like, he's kind of the mystery box of just, well, what if we just asked him to do something different and we had those traits and. And the traits didn't look super impressive in a week where there were a lot of guys who looked really impressive.

[Bobby Belt]

I'll say this, man. We're all cowboy people. And I know at 12 overall, we would love to take a top tier defender, you know, because we terrible on defense. We would love to have a guy to come in and do that. But Jermal McCoy, like, not doing nothing and being like, hey, man, I just don't feel right after two years or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like, he was a guy that, in my mind, I was like, all right, man, if we get wiped here, I feel like Jermod McCoy would be there. And, hey, man, he's removed from this. It may be a gamble, but I feel good about the player. Just on my board, because I am doing my board now. Y' all can check it out on Twitter or whatnot. Like, I don't do, like, you hurt, so I'm gonna drop you down the board. Like, he's a top five guy to me. Like, just on his film, he's five on my board. He's five on my board just off tape. So in my mind, I'm like, all right, man. McCoy is one of these guys that the Cowboys can look at at 12th overall. He say, I don't feel good after, what, like a year and a half months, you know what I'm saying?

[Chris Beam]

He tore it in January 2025.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, in my mind, that would be 13, 13 months. So, like, in my mind, I'm like, oh, man, you still. I would have loved to have seen him go out there, be athletic, run around, turn plant his foot and all that, but we didn't. So I think. And Nick could possibly talk about that. I think that's. That may be, like, one less guy for us to get excited about being there at 12.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. Don't expect the Cowboys to swing on any guys who have any sort of chance at being a medical red shirt this year. Multiple people talked about it publicly and privately in Indianapolis last week. So, you know, you look at a guy like Jermyn McCoy, probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Couple of guys that go ahead.

[Bobby Belt]

So is little hurt. Cool. But just not red shirt. Big her guys.

[Chris Beam]

I guess that's where the nuance.

[Bobby Belt]

Because another draft room.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, you would have to ask in the draft room about what the. Where the nuance actually does come into play there. But I guess any guy who would have a chance at being a red shirt guy, which I think you would qualify Savone Revel as a red shirt guy last year.

[Vach Lombardi]

Absolutely.

[Chris Beam]

Though he only played half the season. Okay. A couple of guys that I shot up my board. Monroe Freeling, tackle out of Georgia. This is a first round guy to me now. A first round guy, not a first round grade. I'd probably have a second round grade on him, but this is a guy that I think will sneak into the 20s, maybe even the 30s as well. But yeah, you look at his testing from last week. 493 at 315 pounds and jump 33 and a half inches. I mean, this guy's an athletic flight freak. Love what he's been able to do. And then, man, the year of the safety. This is the year of the safety. And every. I feel like every week I find a new one that I love. This week it was trade and Stuks out of Arizona ran a 4, 3, 3, 10, 10 in the broad, 38 in the vert. And the. The film backs it up, too. This is a round two safety for me, trading Stuks out of Arizona and then a receiver that I think we need to be keeping an eye on on day two. Jeremy Bernard out of Alabama, tested really well last week, has always been really consistent for Alabama. Has never really been the big shine guy. But if year whenever, you know, Ryan Williams started to dip a little bit, you saw Jeremy Bernard step forward. And I thought he had a good week of testing last week. One guy that I think his stock certainly slipped last week was Nadame Tucker out of Western Michigan. Talking about, you know, if you're an edge rusher and you're one of the smaller edge rushers and you're running 4, 7, 3. Yeah, that's. That's not a great sign. And so I think Nadame Tucker out of Western Michigan starting to slip for me at least I would expect that around the league. The question I wanted to spur off of this if I could.

[Bobby Belt]

Yes, sir.

[Chris Beam]

We all saw the Makai Lemon intrigue last week, I'll put it that way. How much do you actually put stock into? Hey, okay, the. The interview was weird. Sure, whatever. There's clips of him literally from the broadcast being told, hey, so we're gonna run this at 3, 4 speed. He's standing right next to the guy that's telling them this. We're gonna run this at 3, 4 speed. And you're just going to over the shoulder catch it. It was the over the shoulder drill for the receivers, Kind of a rail shot for the quarterbacks. And he runs it at like 1/4 speed and gets completely overthrown.

[Ad Read Voice]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

So it's like there was a clear. Like on the broadcast, you could see that this guy's not listening. And then you hear from behind the scenes, and again, this is just rumor, but you hear from behind the scenes about teams bringing him in for formal interviews and him just bombing them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

So, like, first off, from a Cowboys perspective, not great. Because you were hoping that a guy like Makai Lemon sneaks into the top 12 after a week. A week last week. But how much stock do you even put into it from a team that is picking in the first round? And let's say you need a receiver.

[Bobby Belt]

Wide receiver's always been weird people.

[Ad Read Voice]

And.

[Chris Beam]

And that's factor that in, too. You factor that in too? Absolutely.

[Bobby Belt]

As an ex o line, got just watching wide receivers, they. They've always been like different kind of dudes. But I do think at the combine, where there's this level of seriousness, sometimes you can superstar your way into being aloof. You know what I mean? Sonny Stiles. Stiles brothers, by the way. Cause even Lorenzo was like, I just ran faster than all y', all, but I'm locked in. Yeah, Sonny's like, locked in, but you know what I'm saying? You just so cool sometimes, being so superstarry. So cool. So da da da. You had an interview, you know what I'm saying? Whether they talking to us or they. Cause if they talking to us, the coaches see them talking to us, you know what I'm saying? I do think that'll rub some coaches the wrong way. And it could be the Pickens thing, right? Like, can I really count on you to be like a locked in type dude for real? Especially if I'm gonna drop or something, pick on you, you know what I mean? Some people may, like, if you're super talented, Yeah, I can. 30 or, you know, 40th or something like, you know, second round pick or something like that. Think about Keon Coleman, you know what I'm saying? With the. With the Bills, you could be weird all you want to if there's like, high hype for you, but at some point, man, you need to lock in and, like, take this thing serious, for real. And I ain't saying that's what the case is with Lemon. I wasn't in the room, but I do think in that setting, I want player. I would want players to lock in and take this thing seriously. It's.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's probably not fair. I'm not saying it's fair.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, we don't know nothing.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm saying I've learned enough over being around covering the draft. Almost like 10 years now. If scouts or college coaches describe you as a weird dude.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

They never mean that in a good way. There's never. There's never anything good about that. So when they're like, eyes weird. Yeah. Like, they mean that of, like, I don't know that he fits.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

But like, like, that might be. So when you start hearing people in that circle say weird again, fair or not, I'm not calling Makai Lemon weird, but I'm saying if there are people in the league who. That's how they feel about him, that's. That's something that will undoubtedly mess with your stock a little bit because you're always looking at fit and different things like that. Will McClay told us last week. We're like, what's the. I'd ask him what's the biggest thing we get wrong? And he's like, true fit. He's like, whether, like, in terms of just a. The true way that a player fits into what you're trying to do. And weird can throw it off. Weird isn't always good. But I will say you're lucky that the Kansas City Chiefs pick three spots ahead of you, because that seems like one organization that if they just think you're talented enough, they'll be sure. Whatever. You can be a little weird. We'll throw him in here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So couple of those guys on the roster already.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

To Nick's point, though, the weirdness of the interview, in my mind isn't as bad as you not paying attention to the drill that's in front of you. Like, that's the worst, right?

[Vach Lombardi]

Or he just has trouble with fractions. Like, it may just be like he doesn't understand one fourth instead of three. That could be part of it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Understood it.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. Like education. Like, oh, you wanted me to run three quarter speed, not take three quarters off. Like, that could have been what he thought it was. But no, I think that there's also. It's. It's double sided. There's another side that will look at it and go, yeah, but like, he's. He's kind of weird this way. And is he focusing all the way and he was still that good. Like he's still a bulletnikov guy. Well, I can, it's, it's the, it's the dating fallacy. I can fix him. I, I, I, I can, I can fix this guy. And, and it'll be all right. There's enough redeeming traits. I can fix this. You just need somebody to fall in love like that.

[Tommy Yarish]

So here's my investigative journalism work of the week. Maman is a communication major at usc.

[Bobby Belt]

False.

[Tommy Yarish]

As a fellow communication major, I also am not good at math. So Makai can sympathize with you on that. But I think this is one of those cases where I'm, I'm with vod. The not listening to the. If you're not paying attention in that setting, that's obviously a turn off. And I think this is an important one where if you're scouts and if your personnel departments, you're calling Lincoln Riley, you're calling Dennis Simmons the wide receivers coach at usc and you're saying, hey, what's this guy like in the locker room? What are we really getting here? And that's going to be the most important part of the process because when he won the Balitnikov, like you see on film that the talent's there, that he can be a good player in the slot. But like Will was talking about with you guys, if it's not a fit, then that could be cause a bunch of trouble.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Does it bother you just to turn your own question on yourself?

[Chris Beam]

The, the clip of him directly being told and him not even staring at the coach and then getting the drill when everyone else got it right. That was the worst part. Yeah. I'm with Fotch there.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Plus, I don't, I don't, I don't think he's that good to, to be aloof like that.

[Vach Lombardi]

No.

[Bobby Belt]

You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like if you not the number one prospect by far, head and shoulders.

[Vach Lombardi]

Right.

[Bobby Belt]

If you was a guy, you got a little more room to be aloof. And look, Lemons could be still be a first round pick somewhere. A first drafted in the first round somewhere. But I don't think he's like a guy like that to where teams go, hey man, he's weird, but we can't pass on this guy.

[Chris Beam]

This isn't. Caleb Williams paints his nails.

[Vach Lombardi]

This isn't bad. This is, this is.

[Chris Beam]

I think it's something actually.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, but, but, and again, I also think it's different. But I mean George Pickens, who's here now, George Pickens went where he did because people felt like he's a little different.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Like, and. And that's the thing, is that it's, again, it's not. Not fair because weird doesn't always mean bad.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah. And those is weird.

[Vach Lombardi]

They're just like, I don't know that it jibes. Don't know that it fits. Don't know that that's something that's going to click into place with us. And so, look, I mean, guys have had really bad interview processes, have have gotten dinged with this before and been just fine. Pickens got dinged with it. Chauncey Gardner Johnson years ago was one of the worst interviews you'll ever hear teams talk about. Ended up. Up being just fine at the NFL level. And so it's. It's not a death sentence, but I think it definitely causes some teams to go, all right, slow down, y'.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All. Question after the break.

[Bobby Belt]

Damn, dog.

[Vach Lombardi]

You can ask it in the break and we can prepare ourselves.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe later in the show you can ask one.

[Bobby Belt]

No, man. Twitter on a 20 habit.

[Vach Lombardi]

We'll get it in third segment.

[Chris Beam]

Third, Kyle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There it is. All right, when we come back, it's Twitter on the 20.

[Bobby Belt]

Maybe.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maybe not including Vach's question. It's got to be a good enough question. There's some good questions that we got to ask from the fans when we come back with more of the draft show right after this. Lowe's knows Sundays are for football. So tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products and more. Then once your to do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax, and enjoy the game. Shop in store or online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official partner of the NFL.

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[Tommy Yarish]

Chris Beam.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's time for Twitter on the 20.

[Tommy Yarish]

He was excited. He's been a week off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was a Ruben Bane get off. I mean, that was just before the snap even happened. He was already in the backfield.

[Bobby Belt]

Can I say something about Ruben Bang?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You just asked a Twitter on the 20 question.

[Bobby Belt]

His appearance is like the opposite of what we talking about, Lemon. You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

Like, he looks like a non A. No nonsense, bro. I didn't even. I ain't dress up for this lineup. I didn't put no cologne on. I ain't take a shot. I'm here to do football stuff.

[Vach Lombardi]

Gotta be with those arms.

[Bobby Belt]

I like to chill out. I love. I love those kind of guys. I just want to say it about Ruben Bang and hopefully he'll fall to 12. Cause team suck at drafting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If I'm small. That would be nice. All right, Vox Lombardi on Twitter wants to know he had to just go

[Bobby Belt]

right back to it, but I'm sorry,

[Kyle Yeomans]

you're not gonna say, like, what's up, vouch? We always talk about blinking lights that will make you take an offensive player at 12 overall. Are there any offensive blinking lights at 1?

[Vach Lombardi]

14?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Possibly?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, that one's a little bit more fluid. Right? Because who. There's a lot of names that are more in the mix in round two, round three, than would be in, like, the top 11, you know, so I. I mean, you could look. You could look at like, Jadarian Price, like, if he somehow slips out of day two.

[Bobby Belt]

But people ask me this all the time, right? Like. Like, is there a tight end or running back or like a receiver?

[Vach Lombardi]

All right, if you. If you want to go right tackle, impressive player, had a good week, but also, like, maybe has some skeletons in the closet, is also undersized or things like that. Like somebody who, like, who feasibly could. And I don't think you will, but who feasibly could get to the fourth round because of whatever dings that. Then I'd be like, yeah, I'll take Zachariah Branch. I don't think Zach Rye Branch is getting to the Fourth round. But there's enough in his background that like, okay, maybe there's a bunch of other receivers in this draft. It's such a top heavy draft with receivers. Maybe there are just enough guys that he kind of slips through the cracks. If teams are like, ah, we're going to break the tie with we don't like this or we don't like that. Yeah. Then, yeah, like if that happens, which I don't think will, I think Zachariah Branch goes in the second round. But if for some reason he were there at 114. Yeah, I, you know, needs be damned. I'm picking Zachariah Branch.

[Chris Beam]

I love Zachariah Branch. Absolutely.

[Ad Read Voice]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Second question. Thank you, Vod for your phenomenal question.

[Bobby Belt]

Thanks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

As always. Dustin wants to know with. With additional context and insight from the combine and knowing that we need immediate day one starters. Who does that remove from the Cowboys board at 12 and 20 or is anybody moving up the board for a possibility there? Anybody that sticks out as somebody completely off the board day one starter, I

[Tommy Yarish]

think off the board completely, I think is Jermod McCoy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At least in the first round.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, in the first round, I think absolutely. With Jerry saying they need contributors now moving up.

[Vach Lombardi]

So this is just basically who are the most pro ready players.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Immediate start sounds like.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

Pro ready, plug and play. I mean or non injury. If Ruben Bane finds a way to fall there, I think he would be one. Monsour Delane I think would be plug and play immediately. Maybe back at 20. I think C.J. allen is a guy that you could easily put in there and have him play early. That would be Thinnerman. I mean we can't. I can't say enough about him.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. I mean the guy that really pops of just like the idea of just not ready to go potentially would be Jermod McCoy.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

If you're talking about outside of that where you're like gonna need some seasoning, gonna need some time. Brandon C. Say. Yep. Like CSA is not the Colton hood. Colton I think could be a little more ready to contribute than. Than cse.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I agree.

[Vach Lombardi]

Just because the run game stuff I think is he can be valuable in the box a little bit. But yeah, I don't think there's a whole lot of guys where it's like just they need a little bit of seasoning. I guess if you wanted to say. Which I don't think he's in play at 20 anyway. But I mean if you're talking about somebody who it's like you need to figure them out a little bit. Like Keontae Scott's another one who teams are probably trying to figure out. You may not have a great plan right away for him, but otherwise, no. I mean, I think that most of this, the big strength of this draft is not like super top end talent. It's that it feels like a lot of these guys are guys who are ready to play football right now.

[Chris Beam]

Kante Scott's better be ready to play football right now. He's gonna be 25.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's ready to. I think he's ready to play. I don't know if teams have figured out what they want, how they want to use him yet.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's a good point. Any. Any stock in that same question, same mindset into the rumor around Caleb Downs that's out there right now?

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, the rumor is that he has a partially torn meniscus and a potentially degenerative acl, which, as I said in our group chat last night, fellas, he could have an amputated left ankle. I'm still taking 12,

[Kyle Yeomans]

so it doesn't. You're not taking any stock into it.

[Vach Lombardi]

I mean, you can take stock into it and just assess risk management with where your team's at.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What does that mean? Let's talk about that for a little bit. Degenerative acl.

[Vach Lombardi]

Bobby would have a better degenerative acl. So it's split on how people have had it described before, but one guy who previously had it described this way was Todd Gurley. And Todd Gurley was out of the NFL after five years. But this is similar to. Broadus has told the story before, that when they were assessing pick Jeremiah Trotter out of college, that he had a degenerative knee condition that they were a little concerned about. And he had asked the doctors, like, can we. Can we take him? And so the doc told me, he's like, Brian, he may play 10 games or 10 years. I don't know. He's like, it could go really quickly. He could hang around to be fine. And Jeremiah Trotter did hang around the NFL for a long time and had a successful career. I think the fact that somebody may have dinged him this way, which the way it's reported is potentially degenerative acl. It's not even. Not even that whoever, whatever doctor would have looked at this, didn't even say with certainty there's a degenerative ACL there. It's like there could be an issue there. I know that if you look at 32 doctors around the NFL, they're going to look at it all differently so their team doctors will look at it differently. It's going to come down to do you trust your team doctors evaluation of it, Dr. Cooper? Yeah. And so is it like, I mean just what do you trust on your medical checks with your team? And if you feel comfortable with it then, then you're gonna rock. I, after Nick had mentioned this and it kind of like, you know, started chugging along a little bit, just poking around and asking some, some people yesterday. I don't, I didn't get the sense that a lot of teams have red flags up about it. That's good. Like from, from what I can tell, I think it's definitely on the radar for some people. Specifically though, I think it's more the meniscus part of it of just like, hey, that may be something that needs to be managed or addressed. But I think it's, it's a little bit more up to interpretation and opinion on the degenerative state of the acl.

[Chris Beam]

Let me ask you if you're, you're in the Cowboys war room and it has been determined that hey, you can draft Caleb Downs at 12, but this tournament is situation, it's probably going to end up being a red shirt situation. Oh, you taking them. Wow, y' all are taking too long. The answer is yes. The answer is yes for me. Y' all are taking already.

[Bobby Belt]

I want to tell you why. Yes, I would like to give you why.

[Vach Lombardi]

If he falls to 12 at that point I can probably trade down and take him. And so I would move and try to pick up extra capital. I'm. What this team's trying to do right now. There, there's a little bit of a misnomer I think for some people where they say like is Dallas win now? They're like, well, it's 7, 9 and 1. You can't call them when now. No. Okay, fine. They weren't good enough last. But they are rapidly trying to open a window to be win now. Yeah, that's what they're trying to do. And, and that's the thing is that,

[Chris Beam]

that we're gonna really find out next week.

[Vach Lombardi]

So if that's, if I'm, if I'm being told as part of like roster building, hey, this is what we're trying to do. We're trying to open up this three year window where Dak is like at his peak and before we reach decline because of age, then I'd say all right, if that's the, the end goal.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I think I'm Right there with you.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think if that. I think at that point I'd rather take somebody at 12 and try to get them in at the 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Goes against everything you've, you've talked about, everything you've, you've contemplated over the last couple of years. I get it. He's the best non quarterback, even the best, I would venture to say, most talented, safest player in the draft in 20, 26.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. If I'm building for a decade.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Safe.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, that's, that's where.

[Ad Read Voice]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If, if your window was going to be 27, 28, 29, then maybe you can do that and you're going to take it and roll with it.

[Vach Lombardi]

But if 26. I'm trying to, but I'm trying to parts of it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But you, you're trying to open the window this year.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm trying to open a window that in theory, about three years should expire before I'm even making the decision on his fifth year option.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

So like, it's, it's so much now that I'm like, yeah, he's great. And if we're building for 10 years, I'm all over it. But it's the same thing that would, like, remove McCoy from it. I'm just like, I'm, I'm, I'm out on this because I need any guys now. So I would turn to them in at that point.

[Bobby Belt]

So to that point. Right. Wouldn't your 20, 27 and 28 rost be also like, factored into that or whatever? Like. Yeah, like, we're not just like the Cowboys not trying to win a Super bowl in 26. Like right now they're not trying to do it. Right.

[Vach Lombardi]

They're always trying to win, they're always

[Bobby Belt]

trying to win a Super Bowl. Right. But they're looking at the next three years like you said. Right. So if you can say, hey, man downs, man, he may not be here now, but in 27 and 28, he will be.

[Vach Lombardi]

So I'm opening up my. Like, if you look at the way they're, they're already making some financial decisions. Yeah, I, I think when you talk about the three years, it's more how you're trying to control your budget and your cap. You're trying to create a, a situation where you may in three years potentially be looking at cap situations are not great. We're gonna start making some decisions because we opened up this window and it didn't work out. And so I, I think it's less about the talent and huh.

[Chris Beam]

Or did.

[Bobby Belt]

Or.

[Vach Lombardi]

Or it did.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

And. And it could work out. But if you're talking about now it's a two year window. You. You don't get three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Because that's the biggest piece of cap.

[Chris Beam]

I would take two years of Caleb downs over three years of anyone else. That's the question we're asking. At the end of the day. I'm taking two. Two years of Caleb downs over it.

[Vach Lombardi]

What if I tell you also Vain and Thienaman.

[Chris Beam]

Yep.

[Vach Lombardi]

You'll take. You'll take downs over Bane and Thienaman.

[Chris Beam]

I would take two years of downs over three years of Bain or three years of thienamin.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But that would all.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, I mean 26.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That would call 2026 a wash. Bain.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's not a wash. That's not a wash.

[Chris Beam]

It all you go spend in free agency and get your guy,

[Kyle Yeomans]

but you're wanting to build your defense around the guy that's going to redshirt still have

[Chris Beam]

another first round pick at 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I get it.

[Chris Beam]

You go get. You go get downs and phenomen

[Kyle Yeomans]

maybe we can talk about. And then they're the pair for the future.

[Vach Lombardi]

I mean, I think they're. They're going to. The benefit of having free agency before is you can kind of get a handle on what are, what are we looking at here like, like what is. Is left and, and what do we need to do to structure things. But I mean he is. Downs is the perfect player for what I think we believe Christian Parker wants to do.

[Chris Beam]

Absolutely.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's just I don't know that anybody feels like they've got time to. To cut this window by a third.

[Bobby Belt]

What, what makes me side with Nick but like not all the way is like I'm thinking about this draft in particular. If it's Bane, I'm taking Bane over downs. If downs is hurt, I'm taking Bane over downs. But thinking about this draft, it'll make me sick if I go, all right, is it downs or like Colton Hood? Is it downs or like Cassius Howell or something like that. And I would make myself sick if I say I'll take these dudes over downs minus one year. You understand what I'm saying? If, like this ain't some year where if you don't get Micah, you get Rashaun Slater. You know what I'm saying? Like once you on the board at 12 downs might be your last guy that you smiling about. You know what I'm saying? So I don't want to be to a point where I'm missing on downs, but I'll take this second round graded player at 12th overall. That'll make me take downs, be like, all right, just sit down one year and just come back in 27, 20.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. I mean, look, if. If downs is on the board and they don't really have anybody left, that's great. In the first round, which I don't think would be the case, but if that is the case, then, yeah, I think at that point they would just say, all right, we'll. We'll pick whoever and we're going to treat it as though we have two first round picks next year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, the. I think the number one thing to remember here for everybody at home, this is just a hypothetical. He's not out for the 20, 26 season, right?

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And even if it's a partially torn meniscus, that's probably not.

[Vach Lombardi]

There's. Yeah. There's no chatter that he would. That I've heard that he would be out for the whole.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just want to be clear on that. So that way nobody knows. We're just bringing up a hypothetical situation.

[Bobby Belt]

Bobby, would you take Kelj Falk over downs if downs couldn't play this year?

[Vach Lombardi]

No.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay. Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're gonna have to push segment.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, I would not say take Keldrick Fog.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, guys, Max wants to know who is a guy who is well known that the Cowboys like and are Interested in examples 20, 23. You remember mentioning that they liked Mozzie Smith and they had interest in Tyler Guyton and there's the last season where they had the Ted McMillan stuff. Anybody that they are interested in after the combine that you've heard.

[Vach Lombardi]

So if you just rewind the last three minutes. Yeah, they like Caleb Downs, Sonny Styles. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. As. As is sometimes the case with everything in life, sometimes what you're pursuing, you're. You might be falling in love with someone who's outside your. Your range is just the problem because, I mean, Sunny Styles is at this point, I don't think it's going to be there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

But I do think they love Sonny Styles. I think they. They love Caleb Downs. And just now it would be a question of how comfortable are they with downs as medical. How comfortable is the rest of the league with downs as medical to where they could even potentially push him down. Do you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So in past years, the Cowboys have taken Tank Lawrence because this is from Jake, by the way. Tank Lawrence because they were at least he was the last one available at their position of need. What position? Would they most likely sacrifice value to get a position because of the lack of a day to pick?

[Vach Lombardi]

So this is a.

[Chris Beam]

So I want to bring up a fascinating situation where you're wiped up, wiped out at 12, and you have. Have the guys that we've been talking about off the board. Caleb Down, Sonny Styles, Monsour, Delane, which

[Vach Lombardi]

is like nailing them.

[Chris Beam]

Bailey, Jeremiah, Love, they're all off the board. Right. And we've talked about that situation enough. Dylan Thieman, just take him at 12. I'm okay with that.

[Bobby Belt]

Thienaman or how Thinnerman. Thienaman or fault or Malinoa? Oh, you just talking about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's a little hesitation.

[Chris Beam]

Do.

[Bobby Belt]

What were you just talking about? Like, were you just talking about defensive players?

[Chris Beam]

See, that's where.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Position of need.

[Chris Beam]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, of need.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Chris Beam]

Let's say it's a Thienaman versus Malinois situation. That's exactly what he's talking about there, where it's like you take the last guy at a position of need, maybe over someone you valued a little bit more. Because I do. I will finish with Malango with a higher grade than Dylan Thienaman. Dylan Thieman is such a baller, and you need him at a position of need. I think he could play nickel, too, and I think he has the athleticism and physicality to step up and affect the backfield. I would take him at 12 and I'd be just fine with it. Would it be ideal? Probably not, but I'd take him at 12 just to have him.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think it's. You're. You're looking at coming out of Indy. One of the big things I came away with was I felt like 12 or 21 of them is going to be a defensive back. But, like, I don't think that. I don't think it's a thing where it's like, oh, okay, Sonny Styles gets to us at 12. There's our linebacker. I think they're looking at 20s, like a defensive back at all costs. Like. Like, I think at that point they. They might say, all right, this edge rusher might be a little bit ahead of this, this corner, but, like, we need piece there. That seems to be the area that they are most concerned with right now is the secondary.

[Chris Beam]

But again, I think we're going to. We're going to find out a lot more next year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Floor is yours, Tommy.

[Tommy Yarish]

I'm with Nick. I think if you're wiped and Thinman's there at 12, I got no problem with that. I got no problem with that. He can be. He can be the kind of player that Christian Parker was talking about in terms of the nickel corner that can kind of do everything because you're going to have so much responsibility. There's so many guys, I think, in this class that they're nickel guys, like Keonte Scott, I think, is a great example from Miami, nickel corner, who is kind of limited in what he can do in coverage, whereas you get Dylan Thieman and he can check every box for you, you can cover, he can play in the box, and he can get after the quarterback. Those are the three things that you want your nickel to do right? And I think that Thieman fits that mold. I think Caleb Downs is the pristine example of doing all those things at a high level. But I think Thienaman does a good job of that as well. Just as good, you know, I wouldn't say better, but good enough to where you can still get a really good player that can be the heartbeat of your defense.

[Vach Lombardi]

So what's wiped? Like, when you say, like, you'll take them in at 12 if you're wiped. So who has to come off the board for you to say just.

[Chris Beam]

That was what we just walked through.

[Bobby Belt]

So.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, but like, linebackers, both your corners.

[Bobby Belt]

Sorry. So Reese.

[Vach Lombardi]

So it'd be Reese Bailey, Bane, Reese Bailey, bang. So we're including Bane in that.

[Bobby Belt]

Elaine, we're not mentioning McCoy because he's hurt.

[Vach Lombardi]

Guys, I'm thinking more and more Bane's going to be there at 12. Just the more you hear people talk,

[Kyle Yeomans]

it's starting to sound like that.

[Bobby Belt]

Well, we about to have a damn party if that's the case. But this is like, if Bane.

[Vach Lombardi]

Bane may be there at 13.

[Bobby Belt]

If teams somehow got good at what at that point?

[Vach Lombardi]

What is that at 13?

[Bobby Belt]

The cowboys would. The Cowboys not. Are the Cowboys going to suck at drafting because Bane arms are short?

[Vach Lombardi]

No, no, no. I'm just saying, like, I'm saying you have no idea what the board would look like. Maybe somebody's falling there that you're looking at and going, oh, I'd rather have that over.

[Bobby Belt]

You see Bane differently. If you had to make a board, you would say bane's like a 15 top 10.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 15. Like. Like, I don't.

[Bobby Belt]

Like, he's like five for me.

[Vach Lombardi]

They brought that up. Sean and RJ brought that up yesterday where they were like, hey, if he. If he. Somehow a prayer is answered and he falls to 12. I'm like, him falling to 12 doesn't feel like prayer to me. Like. Or a prayer answered 12 feels like about where he should go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have like I feel like 12th player.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, I feel like he's 12 to 15.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Like, like I I would say I I don't think it's tags touching with Bane and Bailey like a lot of people have talked about. I think Bailey is significantly better if

[Bobby Belt]

the if the Cowboys pick Bane, does he play four eye or does he

[Vach Lombardi]

play linebacker or I that's a good question. I think probably 4i.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, that does it for Twitter on the 20 had a lot of questions. Great questions. I may even ask a couple of these in the next segment because when we come back, we're tweeted at yourself. I'm going to tweet it. Yeah, there you go. When we come back, I want to continue having conversations about maybe the options for Dallas and positions of need. Has that shifted a little bit now with the Christian Parker conversation and what we heard even this past week about what his scheme is going to look like as well. More of the draft show right after this.

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[Bobby Belt]

What.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What caliber of round grade would be an upgrade over what Dallas has at linebacker.

[Vach Lombardi]

At linebacker, yes.

[Bobby Belt]

Assuming that we're not talking about overshone, but like, anybody in the top three or four rounds. Probably better than.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. I mean. I mean, legitimately, anybody who could go in the top 150 might be. Would be just because over. Over Sean was coming back from an injury where it looked like he was. The question there is just like, is this just the new norm or is there rust that he was knocking off? And so until that question's answered, if you just go by the guys you had all season, like Kenneth Murray, I would take any linebacker that's draftable over Kenneth Murray.

[Chris Beam]

I will say I. You know, you hear Jerry and Steven talking about spending a little bit more in free agency than they have in the past. I think you're going to see that show up at linebacker the most. So, you know, probably revisit this next week.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Once we kind of see what they're doing. All right. What about edge rusher? Same kind of thing.

[Bobby Belt]

You only got two. Got Donald, and that's James.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. Good enough. So we're saying good enough to be a top two. Somebody who would start for them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Upgrade over what you've got.

[Vach Lombardi]

Do we include Clowney in that? Who's a free agent? No. Don't include Clown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably not.

[Vach Lombardi]

Okay, so we would say Houston. And as a Rocky. Right now, as of this moment, I

[Bobby Belt]

think most of these guys in the first and second rounds would play over Houston.

[Tommy Yarish]

I was going to say day two and up.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. It's a top 100 first two days. Yeah. Yeah. Once you. Once you get in the fourth round. I mean, James Houston played well for stretches last year, so I don't want to just completely throw him under the bus.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Corner back. That one's a tough one.

[Bobby Belt]

Is healthy.

[Vach Lombardi]

Who's healthy? Who's ready to play? Corners are so inconsistent in terms of how ready to play they are at the NFL.

[Chris Beam]

Because if Bland and Revel both are not healthy than the top five rounds, I think. I think it stretches that far. But let's say Bland and Revel 100% healthy, you're looking for a nickel and you're trying to do better. Than Kaylin Carson top four rounds.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So even when you're at 114, you're going into the fourth round, you feel pretty good about what you're going to get.

[Chris Beam]

I'll say you could have a guy that could compete.

[Vach Lombardi]

Absolutely.

[Chris Beam]

That 114 spot, it should be talked about. I get that there's two first round picks. That 114 spot. If you hit it right, you can find another defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They've got a good track record of

[Vach Lombardi]

fourth round picks as of, you know, not just. Not based on talent, based solely on how quick corners usually are ready to play at the NFL level. Then I would say top two rounds. I wouldn't, I wouldn't go all the way to four just because I think there will be guys in the third round who are more talented than guys like Kaylin Carson. But to me it's like they are. There's always such a curve with rookie corners. They get picked on so consistently, consistently at the NFL level that I would just, I, I need to see like real top tier talent. That's why I honestly would. If you're going to talk about a dressing corner other than the nickel safety hybrid stuff, I'd rather do some of that in free agency.

[Bobby Belt]

I think you can get into round four assuming that the draft helps you out a little bit. You know, just like what if like Kyle Lewis is there in the four? He probably won't, but like what if Halsey probably won't be there? But what if Genesis Smith, he, you know, could be. But what if, you know, I think, I think you can find a safety that can come in and play for you because I don't think the Cowboys, well, the Cowboys might, might put some money on safety. I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Give me names or schools off of those three names.

[Bobby Belt]

Say from Arizona. I said Kyle, Kyle Lewis, linebacker, safety type dude from pit. And I mentioned Halsey, who probably wouldn't. But some teams may look at Halsey and be like, I don't know if you're going to run that fast because you that big from lsu. He might fall to the fourth round

[Vach Lombardi]

or something like that final one that

[Kyle Yeomans]

we'll do and then we'll move on. But safety.

[Chris Beam]

Oh, I just, yeah, this safety class is so. This is the year of the safety, man. So I'd say four rounds and potentially even a stretch into the fifth. I think it's going to be great.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, if you're talking about two open spots, you probably go four rounds. Now if we're just talking about hooker, like, I mean I think Hooker's a good player. I think Hooker catches a bad rap a lot of times. I could basically first round with safeties when it comes to Hooker. But like, knowing there's two open spots, you could go 40 probably.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Tommy, you had a couple of conversations last week with, with Christian Parker and around the defensive staff specifically, but did you get any kind of feeling on where they value certain position groups in the draft based off of what you heard from a new scheme change kind of their thought process?

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, I think the nickel corner spot is one that he's been very open about, but I think, I really think that this group wants to win at the line of scrimmage and get after the quarterback. I think you're good at defensive tackle. They feel good about the three guys they've got there. They feel good about the ability to create that interior pressure. But. But where is this pass rush going to come from? Like, who are the outside linebackers that they're going to trust to close from the outside and turn that corner and put the quarterback in a box? Who are those guys? They move Maris Lee about outside linebacker. I'm on the fence about that. I don't know if I'm super confident that that's going to work out. Donovan as a rock, who I could see that working out. But, you know, we do like we just talked about, if James Houston and Jadevian Clowney are your next best options, then. And I don't think you're going to have a very good pass rush. So, you know, maybe it is a bane coming into the defensive line that they feel like at 12 is a home run. And, you know, why is he sitting here? I've got him at 6 on my board or, you know, any one of these pass rushers at 20. If somebody slips like a Zion Young from Missouri or if teams are sold on the tape from our Mason Thomas and can kind of put aside the testing numbers, you know, is that where they're looking to go early because that position in the draft is so much more important or high value, I should say, is that pass rusher, it's harder to hit on. But is that where they go in the first round while filling out linebacker like you guys talked about in free agency or filling out corner in free agency because you get a more veteran, experienced player that maybe doesn't have as high of a chance to get picked on? So maybe that's where this team's looking and that's kind of where I got the impression of, you know, that, that that's Certainly more of a possibility than you would think. It just depends on who's there because, I mean, Bailey is the best guy in the class and he's going to go top seven.

[Vach Lombardi]

Or you could always trade for somebody.

[Tommy Yarish]

Or you could always trade for somebody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Anybody. In your conversations there too, last week,

[Chris Beam]

I would look at talking about for top 12.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or just in general, like where they could be looking for first round talent that kind of.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I would say Edge for sure. I mean, absolutely. I'm going to be completely honest. I had gotten a text and I kind of zoned out for a second. So what is the question here?

[Kyle Yeomans]

So Christian Parker, specifically, like with the scheme and with the change and what they've had. Based on your conversations last week, do you get a better idea now of where they could be looking to add in the draft? Yeah, I mean, of a position of need. I mean, we've talked about these position needs, but is there one that's starting to kind of.

[Chris Beam]

That's funny because the text.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is that what the text was?

[Chris Beam]

Edge. Edge. I mean, makes a lot of sense. Edge does make a lot of sense.

[Bobby Belt]

Bobby, Nick, Kyle, Tommy. Based on how y' all feel, the level that the Cowboys are gonna go into free agency or trade market to fill the edge room if they draft an edge guy, Mellow hype or Mason, Thomas, whoever, Bane, do you think that that rookie would be the third best rusher or the fourth best rusher?

[Vach Lombardi]

I think if they go acquire a veteran edge rusher, your rookies are third.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

That makes sense what I'm saying.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, Yeah, I understand.

[Vach Lombardi]

You know, depending on who falls, obviously, like if you view them as above as a rock, I think they're going to spend real capital to go in that dresher here.

[Bobby Belt]

Cause the Cowboys go like, they'll be like, hey, man, we feel really excited about what we did at cornerback. Darryl Worley's about to run out there and do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, based on how you feel that they're gonna attack you, Edge, where does the rookie fit and all that is what I'm saying.

[Vach Lombardi]

I. I know everybody says I'll believe it when I see it. Whatever else this whole bust the budget line is, I feel like 100% real.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think they're spending.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think so, too. Final thing before we go, usually out of Indianapolis, we get a better idea of who might be flagged with injuries or concerns across the board. That'll continue to go out between now and the draft. The next 51 days, we're going to learn more and more of that. But Bobby, just kind of your league wide sources and what you've have you heard of any other names that have popped up, mentioned Caleb Downs and I don't want to knock anybody's draft stock but just kind of the murmurs that you're heard.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, not, not yet. I haven't heard murmurs about any murmurs like if anything was found out there. No, I never want to hear that you're still having like for instance there's I know one person that I'd reached out to about some of the down stuff was the word back was we haven't even gotten through all of our stuff yet and so still a little early. But I mean the two that have popped downs with the rumor and then it was announced yesterday by Tom Pelissero was Ahmad Moses at smu, the safety who is going to have Fusion surgery. And so that's very similar to what Damone Clark had when they found that at the Combat and then obviously didn't work out as a player but was able to get back on the field and was able to contribute same year. So those are the two big ones that we've started to hear about. But yeah, it'll be more probably next week you'll start hearing a little bit more chatter about guys who were were medically flagged for some things. The big stuff you're hearing right now is just interviews. Yeah, you're hearing how people handled interviews and how those went. And so like you're hearing a lot about Sunny Styles. You're hearing some people talk really highly of even though he didn't test you're in. Some people talk highly of the way J. McCoy interviewed both the Tennessee corners actually Colton hood and Jamal McCoy both apparently interviewed well around the league. And so that's that's some of the chatter that you're starting to hear right now is just personality how some guys came off.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, yeah. And there's a first round linebacker that I'd be curious to know what comes of some injury concerns that came out of Indy. I don't want to throw it out there just yet because it's just one person telling me this. But again, this is this injury red flag stuff. It affects everybody. We already talked about Caleb Downs, but yeah, there's going to be some interesting names that we talk about in a couple of weeks. No doubt.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got it.

[Chris Beam]

And when these 30 visits happen and they bring them here to the Cowboys specifically so they send them across the way here to this Baylor Scott and White Athletic facility to. To get them completely looked at, which

[Vach Lombardi]

that is a big part of the 30 visits, by the way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

If, if you see them bring in 30 visit guys, sometimes it's super interest. Other times it's just we don't have a medical on this guy and we need to get one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Do you feel like because of that now that that rumor is kind of out there and he was flagged, they want to take another look at it. You're probably going to see Caleb downs is a 30 visit position and he interested to get a medical to very

[Vach Lombardi]

well could have seen him with or without that just because of their interest level. But it's also funny, like, I mean this is a team and other teams have done it before. They will sometimes use a 30 visit on somebody they're not even particularly interested in. It's with the motive. Like, tell me about your teammate. Like, while I got you here, you want to start hearing about. So you bring in an Ohio State player. Like, tell me a little about Caleb Downs. How did he run things? You just start getting testimony from up other guys.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right. We will be back on Thursday with more of the draft show 11am Central Time. Hope you had some fun with us over the last hour talking about the NFL combine. What we learned from it. We'll continue to get into some scouting reports. We're going to talk about a lot of film on Thursday if y' all are cool with that.

[Chris Beam]

Let's do it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got a lot of news and notes today, a lot of new information. But let's start adding some scouting reports to this show. We'll have that on Thursday for you. For Watts Lombard, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt, Chris Beam in the back, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the draft show. We will see you on Thursday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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