Draft Show: Crossing the Line?

Summary

The Draft Show: Crossing the Line?

Date: March 31, 2026
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans & Voch Lombardi
Theme: In-depth Dallas Cowboys NFL Draft analysis, "above the line" philosophy, prospects breakdown, and answering fan questions as the 2025 NFL Draft approaches.

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Draft Show dives deeply into the Cowboys’ mindset ahead of the 2025 NFL Draft, focusing on clarifying the “above the line” concept, analyzing likely first-round strategies, and discussing how to balance need vs. best player available. With Voch Lombardi and Kyle Yeomans helming the episode, they answer a range of nuanced Twitter questions, highlight under-the-radar prospects, and debate optimal draft-day decision-making for Dallas.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Show Format and Crew Update

• The show kicked off with Voch and Kyle, as other regulars attended the NFL Owners' Meetings or dealt with other responsibilities ([00:58]).
• The hosts highlight that feedback on their duo episodes was positive, but they discuss the value of having the full team, especially for future mock draft episodes ([01:42]-[02:19]).

2. Draft Approach: “Above the Line” Philosophy

• Discusses Cowboys brass’ recent statements about drafting “pure”—taking the best player regardless of need, provided they’re “above the line” on the board ([03:39]-[06:34]).
• The “Big Six” defensive prospects are considered “above the line,” meaning if any are available, there’s no further debate—they should be taken: Bane, Bailey, Styles, Reese, Delaine, Downs ([04:10]-[06:39]).
• If none of the Big Six are left, it leads to conversations about value vs. need and potential for key offensive additions.

"Shoddy gave us that information. Cool. Let’s just speculate. ... If I had to assume the big six on defense are on top of the line, there’s no conversation. ... Take those guys." — Voch ([04:10])

3. Debating Needs vs. Value: Reaching or Waiting at 12 and 20

• Examines whether the team might reach for a position of need at pick #12 because they also own #20.
• Voch argues strongly for sticking to board value, not reaching, and avoiding picking a player slated for #20 at #12 just due to roster needs ([08:13]-[10:34]).
• Historical reference: avoidance of past mistakes, e.g., not passing up on a perennial Pro Bowler for a position of short-term need ([10:34]).

“Just take the best guy, take the best guy. Because looking back… this is a five year conversation for 12 and 20.” — Voch ([10:34])

4. Prospects Voch Is Higher or Lower on Than Consensus

• Voch shares a list of prospects where he diverges from the main consensus:
  • Lower on: Fano (OT), Monroe Freeling (OT), bigger edge/DE types like Zion Young.
  • Higher on: Makai Lemon (WR), mellow height (Texas Tech, EDGE), older pass rushers.
• He emphasizes the value of trusting one's own board and process in draft evaluation.

“I think it’s good to kind of go away from the board ... If I was a GM, what do I look for?” — Voch ([14:01])

5. Cowboys’ Defensive Tackle Options

• Twitter question: Would Peter Woods (DT, Clemson) be a fit at #12 if the Cowboys strike out on the Big Six ([14:26]-[19:43])?
  • Both hosts are tepid: Woods doesn’t seem an every-down impact player, and there are questions about consistency, pad level, and true scheme fit.
  • They debate the value of investing premium draft capital in a DT likely to rotate or be a specialized piece.

“I don’t want to spend 12 overall for somebody that’s going to run 15 plays.” — Voch ([16:27])

6. Deep Sleeper Picks: Day 3 IDL and Edge

• Sleeper Defensive Linemen:
  • Brandon Cleveland (NC State) — stellar run-stuffer without pass rush value ([24:34]).
  • Tim Keenan (Alabama), Caleb Proctor (SE Louisiana), Cameron Ball (Arkansas) ([24:49]-[29:13]).
  • Discussion on grading potential versus proven ability, especially with athletic but raw prospects like Caleb Banks ([29:13]-[32:57]).
• Sleeper Edge/Pass Rushers:
  • Max Llewellyn (Iowa), Harold Perkins (LSU), Derrick Moore (Michigan), Josh Joseph (Tennessee), Keyron Crawford (Auburn) ([33:13]-[35:08]).
  • Romello Height (Texas Tech): high floor, pro-ready pass rusher despite age ([35:04]-[36:27]).

7. Running Back Prospects

• Kyle highlights Robert Henry Jr. (UTSA) as a dynamic, under-the-radar Day 3 target ([37:27]-[40:39]), noting his tackle-breaking ability and explosiveness, despite concerns about pass protection and durability.

8. Draft Value: Best Player Available/Positional Flexibility

• Debate on the importance of positional flexibility, especially at nickel/safety, given Cowboys' recent hints about defensive scheme changes ([47:38]-[50:28]).
• Nickel candidates include Jalen Thompson (Michigan State), Kyle Lewis, Deontay Scott, and Keonte Scott—safeties who can handle nickel assignments.

9. Critical Needs: Must-Fill Positions in the First Round

• Likeliest “must” for the Cowboys: Linebacker ([50:28]-[51:43]).
• Both hosts agree that, unless a veteran is acquired, the drop-off in LB talent after the first two rounds is concerning.

10. What If Scenarios: Trades and Aggressiveness

• Explores hypothetical scenarios, e.g., trading for established NFL starters. Conclusion: If Dallas fills major needs via trade, they shouldn’t sacrifice future draft capital to aggressively move up ([52:25]-[54:03]).

11. Potential Surprises at Picks 12 and 20

• Discussion on possible out-of-left-field picks at #12/#20 that aren't frequently mocked to Dallas, including Peter Woods, Keldrick Faulk, other offensive linemen such as Fano, and lesser-discussed safeties and receivers ([54:48]-[58:42]).

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Notable Quotes

• On value over need:

  “Taking the best dude never hurt nobody... neither of those dudes are stopping me from drafting Tate, Lemon, Tyson.”—Voch ([10:34]-[11:39])

• On Peter Woods' fit:

  “I look at those four-I kind of guys in, in this scheme like Sam linebackers…you really just need somebody to fill that spot for what, 15 plays a game or something like that. I wouldn’t want to spend 12 overall for somebody that’s going to run 15 plays.” — Voch ([15:33]-[16:27])

• On nickel personnel:

  “I don’t even wanna say nickel corner. The nickel dude... is so different than what we’ve been thinking about as nickel guy… I think the Cowboys want a safety to where that safety’s second job is playing nickel.” — Voch ([48:53]-[49:08])

• On reaches and board value:

  “Picking one dude that could go 12 or 20 sounds like some nonsense. Cause if he can go 20, I don’t want him at 12.” — Voch ([33:29])

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |---------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:58 | Show format, updates, and Thursday’s future mock draft plans | | 03:39 | Above-the-line drafting philosophy, Cowboys’ approach per Schottenheimer/Jones | | 06:34 | Debate on “Big Six” prospects and next-tier options | | 09:13 | Evaluating reach vs. value at picks #12 and #20 | | 14:26 | Cowboys DT options and the Peter Woods question | | 24:20 | Twitter Q&A: sleeper IDs & edges for Day 3 | | 29:13 | Grading traitsy D-linemen vs. proven run defenders | | 33:13 | Double-dipping at edge, breakdown of third-round and sleeper pass rushers | | 37:27 | Under-the-radar RB: Robert Henry Jr. analysis | | 45:13 | Would you take Akeem Mezador (Miami EDGE) at 12? | | 47:38 | Who are the top nickel/safety prospects? | | 50:28 | Which position must be addressed in R1? Why linebacker matters most | | 52:25 | Would you trade up if you‘ve already traded for a star at LB or EDGE? | | 54:48 | Names not being discussed for #12/#20; players who could surprise | | 58:42 | Tease for next episode: potential for an all-hands mock draft |

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Final Thoughts

This episode offered an in-depth, honest look into the draft from both a Cowboys and general scouting perspective. “Above the line” is the guiding philosophy, but when it comes down to picks 12 and 20, the goal is clear: Don’t reach—let the board and the value come to Dallas. A heavy focus remains on defense unless elite offensive talent falls, with LB and nickel safety as critical needs if not filled before draft day. The banter and debates will fuel fan anticipation ahead of mock draft week.

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Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

this is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft

[Vach Lombardi]

show, your war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the

[Kyle Yeomans]

confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

[Vach Lombardi]

Now, your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish, and Kyle Yeomans.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Today is Tuesday, March 31, 2026, and we are now within four weeks of the NFL Draft. Yes, we are 23 days away as March is right at the end of its rope and we've got April right around the corner. Welcome in, everybody, to the Draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys and back by popular demand. You guys didn't get enough of it last week, so we told Nick, Tommy and Bobby just to get out. Here it is, me and Vodch Lombardi again here for the draft show. And yes, we will be taking your questions off of Twitter throughout the show. But vatch, it went so well last week, we decided to run it back.

[Vach Lombardi]

You know, man, when we got the phone call in the email, it was like, hey, man, the views went ridiculous. Everybody got positive feedback. The other guys are bringing you down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

What do you think about just running it with just you and Kyle moving forward? Whoever the miscellaneous Illuminati person was that was emailing me, I said, I be damned. I'm a huge fan of Nick Harris, Tommy Yarsh and Bobby Bell and I want them back. But they ass ain't here today. Just me and you. They ain't here today. We gonna run it one more time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We made a stand and yet they didn't show up.

[Vach Lombardi]

That's what I will say. These past two shows, I've done so much talking. When they come back, I ain't saying nothing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're not talking.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm gonna sit in my normal chair and I'm gonna let y' all rock all day.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's just gonna let Nick and Bobby go back and forth in like an insider battle.

[Vach Lombardi]

Pontificate and talked about it. Pontificate while I'm sitting back kicking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what it's going to be. Can't wait. Can't wait now. Good to be back with Voch again. Nick and Tommy are out at the owners meetings in Phoenix. Been very active in the draft or in the draft show group message about certain things that they're hearing out there and kind of what they're bringing back. And then Bobby had some personal stuff to take care of this morning. Just got back from vacation, so he is out today. Everybody should be back on Thursday, knock on wood. And if everybody's back on Thursday, we're three weeks out from the NFL draft, then. So we will, at that point, go through our mock draft and go through the entire first round.

[Vach Lombardi]

We never get to it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

May not get to. We'll do it. Night one, the hour leading up to.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, the lead up. All right, y', all, this is what we think gonna happen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is what's gonna happen here in about 20 minutes.

[Vach Lombardi]

But we'll have a lot more information then. We'll have so much more context. And if the Cowboys want to do us a favor and bring in somebody to fill up one of them holes that, you know, Scheidenheimer was, you know, he was alluding to when he had his media thing that he was talking about at the owner's meeting. He said, hey, man, we know that linebacker as a whole, like the Cowboys, would love to feel that prior to the draft, boy will be having a party. If not, then we'll be day one, mock drafting linebacker at 12 or 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Let's talk about some of the things that he did say about the draft. And remember last week, we. We made the mention of what he said to Tommy Yarish at Texas pro days, which was, we want to draft pure. We want to draft our board specifically. Do you get that? Same kind of thought process. They feel like they checked the boxes because both Brian Schottenheimer and Stephen Jones kind of referenced that that they had. But are they set up in a spot where they can draft pure at the moment based off of what they talked about yesterday?

[Vach Lombardi]

Shiny says something interesting. He was making fun of Clarence. He was talking to Tommy, and they was talking about this line, right? And he was like, everybody that's over the line is like, home run. Knock it out. We picking them. Everybody that's under the line, we kind of got to talk about it for a little bit. Okay, cool. Shoddy gave us that information. Cool. Let's just speculate. Recky Specky shouts out to Jason Hollis saying that one. So how about this? If I had to assume the big six on defense are on top of the line, there's no conversation. If Bane, Bailey, Styles, Reese, Delane Downs, if they're there, there's nothing to be said. Take those guys. I do imagine the guys under that line assuming how Jamar McCoy's pro day would go. I assume that he's a guy that they may have to have a conversation about. If the draft guys smile upon us and Jeremiah Love is there, I'm sure a conversation will be had there. I don't even think all the offensive players. I think Malinoa is a guy, but I don't think Fano would quite be a guy. I think Fano would probably be comparable with what they think that they have. I think Malinoa would be much better than what they think that they have. And as far as the wide receivers go, hey, pick one of your favorite receivers and that'll be a guy that's in that list that we could talk about. So in. In theory, Kyle. Yes, they probably feel like they've done enough, but that's probably because they have confidence that they're going to go find a linebacker somewhere. We don't know that, but they know that. So. Sure. But I think there's going to be this overwhelming desire to lean towards defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So going back to the line conversation.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It could be any player, any position. If they're above the line, they are so good that they should be drafted.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Regardless of need.

[Vach Lombardi]

Regardless. And honestly, I think you can kind of curate who's on top of the line and who's under it. I think everybody on top of the line gotta be the big six on defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

For example, like, Colton Hood is a guy that they like a lot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

I don't think that he's a knockout above the line. Above the line guy. He may be like, man, we are so wiped out. They didn't even take Mendoza at 1. Overall. Boy, they took Reese and all these guys, boy, it's just back to back to back to back and nothing's on the board now but wide receivers and Colton Hood.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think they'll have a conversation about maybe we can go Colton Hood versus one of these wide receivers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But that's if the guys above the line aren't there.

[Vach Lombardi]

Assuming that they're not there, who would

[Kyle Yeomans]

be above the line for you?

[Vach Lombardi]

Big six on defense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

Bane Bailey, Reese Downs. Who else? Styles Delaneyne. I think that's it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's the big six.

[Vach Lombardi]

That's my big six right there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like that.

[Vach Lombardi]

The big six. And if the big six ain't there now, they gotta come and have A conversation. Okay, well, is it McCoy? Is it the running back? Is there? Do we need wide receiver? We just move Terrence's money around. What does that look like? Do we eat the dead money on Terrence or do we try to trade Terrence and maybe get like a day three pick back? His contract will be cheaper. That'll help us out. Malinois. I think there's a lot of conversation to be had about a bunch of these guys. I actually like that they're willing to have a conversation about offensive players because I do think the big six would. The Cowboys just didn't lose enough games. If the Cowboys tanked properly and lost all the games, then we'll just draft whoever at five. We'll just draft downs. Monsour Delaney, whoever at five. But you lost games. So you at 12? I got 13 first round grades. Mendoza's one of them. Three of them are receivers, two of them are offensive linemen and one of them are a running back. So you at the mercy of the board. Whoever falls to you. It would be ridiculous if the big six went away and you're so focused on need that you draft. I keep saying Colton Hood because that's the Daniel Jeremiah mock that came out there last time. If you draft Colton Hood over Jeremiah Love, I think you're wrong. Or Colton Hood over Malinoa. Or Colton Hood over Cardinal Tate. You can debate about Lemon if you like. I like Lemon more than others. But you can't pass up on the top tier offensive guys just because you got wiped out from the big six.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is Hood a second round grade on your board?

[Vach Lombardi]

On my board he is at the top of the second round for me on my stack though. Cause you know, I got him stacked now. Sure. He's my 21st guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's my 21st guy. And I think that's the one thing that I wanna. I want to avoid guys that should be going 20, reaching and taking them at 12. Yeah, I kinda wanna avoid that. That's one thing that me and Tommy kind of thought about a little bit, right? A handful of workouts, he worked out in his draws and all of a sudden we will take him at 12. I'm talking about Thienaman, the safety from Oregon. I like Dylan Thenaman too, dawg, but he's 17th on my board, you know what I'm saying? Our Mason Thomas, 18th on my board. Colton Hood is 21 on my board. I would love these guys at 20. I wouldn't be thrilled if I'm projecting somebody at 20 and I gotta take them at 12. Cause my defense is bad. I would much rather go, oh, Jeremiah Love is my third best player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Jordan Tyson is my eighth player. Ma Noah is my ninth player. I would love to take that kind of guy at 12. But the Cowboys, you know, we'll see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do you feel like it's more likely or less likely one of the two at 12 to reach on a guy because you have 20 in your back pocket? Because with me and I see what you're saying, if you're at 12, you might say, oh you know what, let's not reach on this guy because we have 20 there and if he falls to us then we can have him there. Meanwhile, you could also look at it and say we don't think he's getting the 20. Let's go ahead and take him now. Let's say it is a guy that's 16, 17, 18 on your board. Yeah, we don't think he's going to get the 20. So we're going to take him now at 12 and you reach a little bit. Which one's more likely? They reach on a player that's not going to get to 20 or they take the best player available hoping that their player ends up falling at 20 in theory.

[Vach Lombardi]

Caleb on Chase Son didn't get the 20. He did, he didn't get the 20. He went right after, you know what I'm saying? So just imagine, so just imagine if we got 20 in the that draft. 20 and what was it, 17. CD went, we got 20 and 17. Boy we need defense and I don't think Chasan gonna be. I think, I think Chaes on gonna go right at 18 and we could. And look, there's other receivers in this draft we like boy, Jalen Rager or something. I mean Justin Jefferson was also on the board. But whatever dog, just take the best guy, take the best guy. Because looking back, this is a five year conversation for 12 and 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, I do.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's a five year conversation. Some of these players like your defense may not be bad that long. Your defense may only be bad for one year, they may only be bad for two years. You don't want to look back and the offensive player that you passed up, perennial Pro Bowler, probably got an all pro somewhere and he's a pillar of that team. And now we're in year five of whoever we drafted and I'm like, hey man, he may or may not be here. We need a defense though, got to do it, you know what I'm saying? Kaylavon Chayson been on Four different teams now. No disrespect to Chayson, but just taking the best dude never hurt nobody. It never hurt nobody. And let me just say, please, I love Javante Williams. He ain't stopping me from drafting Jordan Love. I like Terrence Steele. He ain't stopping me from drafting Malwanoa and everybody, well, but Vaj Pickens, Ceedee Lamb. I love Flo Flannoy. Ain't stopping me or Turban or whoever y' all got playing wide receiver 3 depending on whatever personnel package you in. Neither of those dudes are stopping me from drafting Tate Lemon. Tyson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

So that's just where I'm at with that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's where it is. We had a lot of Twitter questions from the last episode that and we never got a chance to get to because we took some calls. The calls were fantastic. Appreciate you all joining in but want to get to some of those questions and I just put out a tweet. Vox just retweeted it as well. Feel free to send us some new questions if you would like. We're going to answer those really throughout the rest of the show and kind of talk about it as we go along. When it comes to the first question today, I'm trying to find the tweet from last week, but who are the. Okay, so Taha wants to know, Taha, Taha, who are the prospects that you were much higher on or much lower on than the consensus board across the board? You just mentioned Makai Lemon, the USC wide receiver, how you're much higher on him. Is there anybody else that comes to mind whenever you see that shoot, man,

[Vach Lombardi]

I don't like Fano as much but I like, I mean he's a first round pick for him but first round grade. But I don't like him as much as some other people. I seen him go like fourth overall or something. He's at the back of my first round grades. Some people love Monroe Freeling, Georgia. I like Monroe Freeland. I think in this draft, in any draft, offensive tackle tacks quarterbacks is going to happen. But I think jumping Freeling over Fano, I think that's a bit of a mistake. I like mellow height pass rush from Texas Tech more than some, you know, I like the 25 year old pass rushes more than some other people like to. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm not as high on. I can get deep into my board here. Kamari Ramsey from usc. I got him like in the fourth round. I've seen some people call him like a top 50 guy?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Any of the bigger defensive end edge dudes, not the linebacker edge dudes. People got them way high for me. Falk Parker, Zion Young. Zion Young is a third round grade for me. I saw some people say Zion Young might go first round. That's a lot for me. So I think it's good to be different. I think it's good to kind of go away from the board and my record is on the Internet so you can see if I'm right or wrong. I'm not always right. I'm not always wrong. But I think it's cool to go away from consensus board because we all like different things. If I was a gm, what do I look for? If you were point at the camera because I'm talking to y'.

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[Vach Lombardi]

If y' all were a gm, you're into different things. You may like the wire receivers that run past people. I don't like just run past you receivers. I don't like smaller guards. I don't like my offensive linemen to not have punch. You know what I'm saying? Some people, you know, rather quick feet than powerful offensive linemen. So we're all going to be different. But Vash is going to be right a lot more than. More than I'm wrong.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's because you do the homework.

[Vach Lombardi]

I do the homework. That's part of it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate you. Prince wants to know what's up, princess. If you get wiped out on defense. Edges are gone. Both corners are gone. And he said, he said we ignore Tommy's theme in at 12.

[Vach Lombardi]

Big six is way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think it looks like it. Okay, Big six is gone. Should the Cowboys consider Peter woods, defensive tackle out of Clemson at 12? And his explanation here is you get woods and Williams at each the four eye spots. Kenny and Tito can kind of rotate the nose to help keep bodies fresh in a rotation. Can you go to a guy like woods and feel comfortable there if you

[Vach Lombardi]

were in base three four, 70% of

[Kyle Yeomans]

the time, which is a lot compared to what Christian Parker's probably going to run in Facts. Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Then sure you would need some. I would rather have somebody that could play that position a lot. Cowboys just signed Jonathan Bullock the other day. He's perfect for that position and I think he's perfect for it because you ain't going to be in base formation all that much. You're going to be a nickel most of the time. Christian park came out and told us we're going to be nickel. 4, 2, 5, most likely. 75 plus percent of the time.

[Keith Davis]

Yep.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm never asking Peter woods to come on the field while Quinn Williams is jogging off or while Kenny Clark is jogging off. And you can create some weird matchups. You can do some, you know, some, you know, we got a 3D tackle look with an edge guy here. But now Rashawn Gary coming off the field so that Peter woods can come on or Donovan's coming off. Right. I just don't see the usage in Peter woods in that way. I look at, I look at those four I kind of guys in, in this scheme like Sam linebackers, you know what I mean? Sure. Depending on what you like to run, they not going to be on the field all the time. So you really just need somebody to fill that spot for what, 15 plays a game or something like that. I wouldn't want to spend 12 overall for somebody that's going to run 15 plays. Especially now that I had this idea that Quinn and Kenny going to be here for, for a good little bit. Yeah, I don't think you're rebuilding de tackling that way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No.

[Vach Lombardi]

If, if the Cowboys came out and said hey man, look, Kenny Clark is going to be here one year and we'll just move on then fine. Then Kenny Clark turns into a bridge player for Peter woods over the next four years of his rookie deal. He gets to step up and be the guy. Yeah, I don't think that's going to be the case here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Could you see him really anchored down as a 3 tech too though?

[Vach Lombardi]

I like Peter Woods. He's so strange because he's very strong to where he doesn't get moved backwards. I don't always see him moving people backwards.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No.

[Vach Lombardi]

So he anchors better than he penetrates. Yeah. Pause. But he is athletic enough to develop into a good three take type pass rusher for you. You know what I'm saying? So it depends on scheme. I think he can do anything. But does he do it all the time? Is he consistent with those things? Does he run down the middle of people? Is his pad level high? Bastard. All those things are. Yes. So if you cool with all them issues then fine. But I have a thing about if you go to this big school, you got great coaches. Why your pad level been this for all these years? Why your hands been this for all these years? Why you rush down to millipede for all these years?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's that Clemson conversation you mentioned last week.

[Vach Lombardi]

Oh, Clemson do this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Clemson question marks are everywhere.

[Vach Lombardi]

They do this all the time and I can't stand it. They look good for a Year and then the year we need you to look great, they go out and look strange. Yeah, I like Peter Woods. Some people got them way higher than me. I would love it if some other team was a hero.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I.

[Vach Lombardi]

We talk about the Mike Sando article all the time where he Talked to different GMs and personnel people and they seem to believe that Peter woods is going to go top 10. I think that'll be perfect for all those cowboy folk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like Peter Woods a lot. I have him in my first round. He's one of the later first round grades.

[Vach Lombardi]

For me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's going to end up being stacked maybe 15, 14, something like that. So if he goes at 12, you would have to kind of like what you just said. You would have to convince me of fit. He Convince me that he's not just playing the four eye spot, 15 to 20 snaps a game.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Convince me that he is able to play three technique and keep his gap assignments. Because there were way too many times he was pushed out of his gap.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maybe side by side, laterally. Whatever it was, he lost his gap assignment a lot on tape. And I watched the LSU game and the Louisville game, specifically those two games. He got pushed around a little bit. And I really look at his strength, his motor, all of that is good. He looks like a pro with a lot of his, his timing and his, his hand work. All of that is fine. But I agree with you on pad level and I agree with you on gap assignment. You got to convince me that he is going to play at least 50% of the snaps.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you're going to spend a first round pick on him and especially if it's going to be a 12. Yeah, you got. And I don't know if you can necessarily look at me and do that.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's the 23rd player on my board and if I just look at the dudes I got first round grades on, they're guys that'll bump somebody down the depth chart here. I don't see Peter woods bumping people down the depth chart. Once he gets here, he'll kind of fit in as like that second wave of dudes. But I don't really see him. Like, if Mansoor Delaine gets here, somebody gotta sit down. Cause Mansoor Delaine's here. Yeah, somebody gotta sit down. Caleb Downs is here. I mean, Sonny's just gonna walk right into Mike Lineback if he's here. Peter woods is here. Man, Peter got a chill.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Man, Peter got to sit down, wait for somebody else.

[Vach Lombardi]

You got to wait for Quinn and them come off, you know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly. All right, we're going to take our first break. When we come back, we're going to continue answering some questions officially on some Twitter on the 20 more of the Draft show with Fox Lombardi. I'm Kyle Yeoman's coming up right after this.

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[Vach Lombardi]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

ERW wants to know talk about your favorite sleeper, interior and edge defensive lineman going into day three. Talking about some of those guys man shoe.

[Vach Lombardi]

All right, so Brandon Cleveland, NC State.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm not being extra. I got him in my one tech section so he's a nose for me. Right. I don't see double teams moving him backwards at all. He don't move backwards. He's so strong. His base is so good. Hands are powerful. Cool motor. That's another thing we have to get used to these humongous people that can move around pretty good. I think gone are the days of the the big humongous cast that just can't move at all. High effort, all this kind of stuff. I got him in the fourth round. Cause he doesn't really give you pass rush value. And I think that's where you can find good sleeper dudes, right? Like these one techs, these noses that are good verse to run but maybe won't give you pass rush. I think they'll kind of fall a little bit. Tim Keenan from Alabama, he's another one, right? Big dude, powerful as hell. I think his arms are a little longer so you can really see him stack and extend on guys really good. They don't really get in his chest like that. A guy I wanna give a bunch of love is Caleb Proctor. Yes. Not Kaden Proctor.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm glad you're bringing him up.

[Vach Lombardi]

We kinda mentioned his name last week, but we ain't go into it. Into it? Southeast Louisiana, little bitty school. I get it. And when you watch his film versus other small schools, he beating the hell out all them kids. But watch lsu, watch latex. When I watch film, I try to find your best games versus the best competition or whatever. And he blended right in with those dudes. He. He gave the center a hard time, the guard a hard time. I believe he had two sacks and faux pressures versus LSU and good versus the run. He didn't look out of place. Sometimes you'll take these guys, small schools and you'll put them in the biggest games of their life and they get moved around, flop around, they may quit. Cause they lose them by 60 or something crazy like that. But Caleb Proctor got better as the game went on. I was a big fan of him. You had something on him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. I wish I would have seen Proctor before we wrote the draft magazine.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, man. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because I would have had him as kind of an under the radar player and I would have had him higher on the board. But I can't remember if it was you or Nick Harris that I was talking to first, where you guys brought him up. I was like, I need to go watch it.

[Vach Lombardi]

It was definitely me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was probably you.

[Vach Lombardi]

I don't even know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But I. When I went back and watched him, the only thing that kind of concerns me is where are you playing him?

[Vach Lombardi]

He's bigger.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Because he's only 2. What is it, 280 that he measured? Oh, 291. So you could probably play him a couple different places.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's bigger than an edge.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's strong as hell though. Yeah. I got him as a B gap guy. Okay. I don't have him as a Bendy pass rushy dude. No, but he's small. But he don't look small so maybe

[Kyle Yeomans]

like was he six' two, 290 and

[Vach Lombardi]

he was a combine guy so maybe he lost some weight for his combine stuff. On film he was listed at 280

[Kyle Yeomans]

on so he actually picked up weight going into the combine.

[Vach Lombardi]

On film he looks 315ish. Really to me. He don't look small to me. Like Zane Durant from Penn State looks small to me. He look like a little bitty dude that's in B gap but I don't know, it could just be my eyes. I don't really get into people measurement and stuff but I thought he was a little bigger man, but go ahead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, but I think the more that I watched him the more I saw what you were talking about with the strength holding his own. I watched that LSU tape as well. That was actually one of the few games I was able to find of Southeastern Louisiana.

[Vach Lombardi]

You ain't missing nothing because he beat Ella there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But he probably did and the production spoke for itself as well. So ye, I think he's one of the guys that I wanted to look at. One other name from interior defensive line, Cameron Ball from Arkansas.

[Vach Lombardi]

Haven't seen him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Haven't seen him yet. Here's what I had on him. Quick get off acceleration off the line. Very effective in two gap situations. Can move lateral laterally to defend the run. Few pass rush win or moves that can win. Great effort, motor on film. Never really quits. He was not necessarily a high accolade guy. Formidable part of the Arkansas defense though and with 50 games of experience he had 12 and a half tackles for loss, three sacks. Started the final 30 games of his tenure and he's the one that we talked about earlier with the the barbecue joint. Oh God, he was serving barbecue as well. One thing I didn't like as much is he didn't anchor the same way as some of these other top interior defensive linemen do. That's why he yeah, he's a a day three guy for me. You're probably going to play him at the three tech spot. You're not going to play him outside a ton. Could be quicker with his counter moves with his hands at the point of attack as well. But I like Cameron Ball. I have a fifth round grade on him. But I think if you have one of those picks where you're Dallas, you got three picks including the two comps in the fifth, he would probably fit right around that spot for me.

[Vach Lombardi]

Kyle, let me ask You a question? Because this makes me a coward. I'm just talking about the the D tackles now. Caleb Banks is an incredible athlete.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Vach Lombardi]

I don't think he knows how to play D line just yet. When I talk about Brandon Cleveland, Darrell Jackson from Florida State, my man Corleone from Cincy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cincy like him a lot.

[Vach Lombardi]

Tim Keenan from Bama, Dominic Orange from Iowa State. I have them ranked lower than Banks, but they do their job much better than he does. On my board I got them listed as one takes, right? So they all in that nose. One take. They could be zeros too, but they all hold point stack and shed take doubles better than Caleb Banks. Caleb Banks is a freak athlete to be that size. I don't think he plays his position as good as them. He tall as hell. He kind of run up field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That pad level is so high.

[Vach Lombardi]

He run down the middle of people. His hands don't really hit you in the chest plate. They slide all on the back and stuff.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Arm tackles.

[Vach Lombardi]

If you watch his highlights like we showing right now, you going vi, that's a first round pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you talking about?

[Vach Lombardi]

That's a first round pick right there. Vod. That's a first round pick, Vod. But if you just kind of watch this film, play in and play out, you go. Damn, dawg. Quit standing up. Move your feet. I know they work faster than this. Use your hands. I know you strong. How do you handle with dudes that probably don't have the athletic upside, but they do the job much better?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's funny cause you mentioned your stack on interior defensive line guys and it almost sounded exactly how mine ended up. And it's in the magazine too. This way. I haven't changed it a ton, but it Banks is above Corleone, Jackson, Keenan and Orange. All those guys and you mentioned all the same guys are below Banks. For you. I look at it in a different manner. We've talked about this a couple times. Where I do grade the traits and I do grade the size and the motor and where I feel like teams could teach him if he lands in the right spot, that ceiling conversation, his size and motor and even his acceleration, I think he's quick off the line. I think he's fine on the snap. All of that has the ability for me to be great. He could be a tremendous starter with so much upside. He could also fall off the face of the planet and not have the career that he would anticipate. I think it's more likely he does the forementioned side of that. Yeah, I think it's more likely he will land in a correct spot and ends up turning into a one heck of a player that down the line we're going to look up and see him in a Pro bowl uniform playing flag football in Orlando or wherever it ends up being. I think he's that type of player now. He's. He's one of the guys that fell off the end. At the end of his career too, if you look at it. Have you looked at the 24 tape at all? I have the 24 tape.

[Vach Lombardi]

That's all he got.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Much better for me. Oh, yeah, that's fair because. Yeah, you're right. He only played, what is it, three games in 2025.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The 24 tape for me has me convinced that I think he can do it. And he did show it a number of times. That's where I see it. I see him as Alfred Collins from Texas too.

[Vach Lombardi]

Cool.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Really? You remember grading Collins last couple of years? Except Collins was probably a much safer pick. A little bit more technically sound. In terms of where they are coming out though, I think Kayla Banks is right there with.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's just weird, man. You've been in Florida for three years, Louisville for two. Ain't nobody tell you what to do with your hands, man. It's just. It's weird for me and I think it even goes back. I made this example before. You got Tyler Guyton, you got Tyler Booker. Tyler Guyton is so athletically phenomenal. You go, man. Dawg. As soon as he figure football out, that dude might be the best dude on his offensive line. And we're in year three, kind of waiting on it a little bit, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, where is it at?

[Vach Lombardi]

But Tyler Booker is like in week 16, he might have been the best offensive lineman on your. You know what I'm saying? He might have been the best dude on your line, you know what I'm saying? So I just tend to go with the dudes. That's just the high floor guys. The guys. That's better right now. You know what I'm saying? But that's just me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oz wants to know what's up.

[Vach Lombardi]

Ozzy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have a feeling that Falk at Auburn is the pick at 12 or 20. Who do you pick at 92 to double dip at that edge to help the pass rush? If he ends up being that pick?

[Vach Lombardi]

Picking one dude that could go 12 or 20 sounds like some nonsense. Cause if he can go 20, I don't want him at 12. I don't want him at 12.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's that conversation we talked about earlier?

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, I feel you. Okay, but. Okay. You said okay. So let's just hope that Fog is the pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Say, say wherever.

[Vach Lombardi]

If he gotta be the pick, let's have him at 20. Okay, cool. Pick at 20. Now what was the question?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can you double dip at edge at 92 and where would you select?

[Vach Lombardi]

I would love the double dip at edge in general, I think you have a bunch of edges that kind of work for you. And if you look at my board, it's pinned onto my Twitter. I have. They're separated from linebacker and like DNS, right. So like the bigger dudes. If I'm looking at my third round list. Right. Max Llewellyn, Iowa boy, I like him a whole bunch. Effort, nuanced. Pass rusher, spin move, length, size. Fantastic. Harold Perkins. I'm not afraid of Harold Perkins. His last year's film, his last year's film coming off the ACL was much better than I thought and then it got better as the year went on. I think LSU could have used him better. They had him driving back a bunch. He was covering a lot. Let that dude rush, let that dude be athletic. Let that dude chase guys around. I thought that he could have been used much better and I would imagine that once he gets to the league he would be used better. Perkins, whether at 92 or 114 would be fantastic for me. Also got guys like Derrick Moore from Michigan, Josh Joseph, Tennessee key Ron Crawford from Auburn. They're all good stand up rush guys and I'll be fine taking all those guys at 93.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You talked earlier about Romello height.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Texas Tech, where do you have him?

[Vach Lombardi]

I got Romello height as my second edge linebacker dude. So I got Bailey as my number one. Bane is with the end, with the ends. So I got bailey as number one. Then I got millohite as my first second round guy on my board. I got him 16th. I like him a lot. Yeah, he's just older. I don't really care about the older stuff. I think about a dude, he's a high floor guy. Let's just watch some highlights. Can he rush the passer now? Does he have a tool belt right now? Does he mix up the rushes? Does he set you up in the first quarter for being clutch as hell in the fourth quarter? Does he play against competition? All those boxes they check out? I implore people, go watch Utah if you want to watch two pro level edges versus two pro level tackles.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's good tape.

[Vach Lombardi]

Utah versus Tech and Mellow Height is just out there running around going, wee. Some people gonna have them a little lower. I don't care in particular. I like to just say, look, I like them. If you want to consider age, if you want. I even heard that there's some other little stuff that kind of got them dropping down the board a little bit. Just me going, based on film. I got him as my 16th guy, and I like him a lot. And I think you can draft him at 20, draft him at whatever, and I think he'll come in day one more ready to go than some of these other guys that kind of got to grow a little bit. Yeah, Mesadore's like that too. Like, day one. I'm ready to. I can do this right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they all benefited from having other dudes on the opposite side. So how much does that play a factor into it?

[Vach Lombardi]

That's perfectly fine as Bane and Bailey.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And now you have height and Mezzador.

[Vach Lombardi]

There are some people that make the argument that Mezzador is a little better than Bane. It's just that he's my age and his foot's hurt. I don't know if people will say that about Bailey and Melo, but, dog, for every play that Bayley's out there making, Melo's out there doing it. Mello's out there making it too. It's just that, you know, you just have to take away the fact that Bayley's also in this film. If you just look at Melo, because, look, you could also be like, oh, Lee Hunter's in the middle and he made both of them good. That's just a good defense. It is what it is. But if. If that's the case, if I'm a gm. Oh, mellow height needs help to be that guy, then I need to just give him some help and he'll be that guy. So I don't want to overthink it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like it. Dylan wanted to know, and he's asked this question quite a bit throughout. Robert Henry Jr. Running back from UTS.

[Vach Lombardi]

I don't know him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You watched him?

[Vach Lombardi]

I ain't watching him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I watched him all year long. What his name is Robert Henry Jr.

[Vach Lombardi]

He named that his own.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think so?

[Vach Lombardi]

They don't make a whole bunch of Robert Henry's, but he's a junior. Let me tell you something. Born. Oh, well, his daddy, then. Whatever. Look, if you born after the year 2000, your regular name ain't just Robert Henry. Robert Henry selling is about to work on a railroad, boy. Gosh. But Go ahead, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Diamond in the rough or beneficiary of a small school schedule?

[Vach Lombardi]

I haven't seen him, but I want to watch. If your name Robert Henry Jr. I want you to run over people. On film.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's running over people.

[Vach Lombardi]

I want you to be a good blocker. I want you to be tough. If your name is Robert Henry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's actually really fun and of course I do the the American Conference podcast every week and he's one of my favorite players from this past year. You talk about explosiveness, production in the last couple years. Really it wasn't just one. And I don't think he's a beneficiary of a small school schedule. First game of the year, out of the books on the road at Kyle Field in front of 101,000 people. He put up 16 carries for a buck 77 and two touchdowns against that Tex Texas A and M defense that has Cassius Howe, that has Torian York, that had all those players playing at a high level. So he had 16 carries, a buck 77, two scores against them. Against Texas State he had 17 carries, 159 yards, two touchdowns. Both of those games he had a 75 yard touchdown run, both of them. Then he had a 74 touchdown or 74 yard touchdown run the week after that and he had a 76 yard touchdown run the week after that. Big play ability. That's all he did through his time at utsa. Got banged up halfway through conference play was never really the same. He made sure to still put up 12 carries for 138 yards and a touchdown with a 72 yard touchdown run against my North Texas Mean Green made sure to do that before he got hurt, but ended up being kind of a mid level player by the end of the year just because he never could really get back to fully healthy. But he forced 99 missed tackles over his three seasons. He finishes through contact. He's extremely strong in his lower body, good explosiveness. He tested decent at the combine. I really like what he does from a vision standpoint. Runs behind his pads, waits for blocks to develop. I think he could be a steal in the day three side of things.

[Vach Lombardi]

About to put him on my list, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, put him on your list. I kind of like him a lot.

[Vach Lombardi]

I kind of wish his middle name was Henry and not and his last name Jones or something. Robert Henry Jones. Come on man. Yeah, I add him to my list.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have him as my 13th running back overall. I have him right in the the 5, 6 range. Mostly because one the injury kind of concerns me a little bit. I think it was a foot trying to remember back to all these guys run together at different times, but yet, and there were a lot of times where they kind of limited him in a playbook standpoint kind of run ran some screens and some checkdowns and things like that. And he wasn't a big pass protector. I'm a little worried about the past protection side of things, but there's, there's a lot I think Robert Henry could bring to an NFL team I got. But Dylan's been asked, what was that?

[Vach Lombardi]

No, no, no. I was just looking at my board. You say he's your 15th guy. Yeah. So I got 13 running backs watched. So I, I just added.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, there you go.

[Vach Lombardi]

Robert Henry right around it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Dylan's been asking that question for weeks and I've just been trying to get to it.

[Vach Lombardi]

My bad, Dylan, man, we trying, though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We trying, man. All right, let's take our second break. We're going to continue answering some Twitter questions. If you have some more, once again, the tweet is out there on both Vauch and I's Twitter on the 20.

[Vach Lombardi]

There it is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're late at the end of the segment. Twitter on the 45. We'll answer some here in a little bit when we come back with more of the draft show right after this.

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[Vach Lombardi]

What's up Ashley? This is Where I'm phony because I'm a little phony. I do think drafting you have to consider what other teams are doing. And I don't think like you don't want to be the only guy that'll take Mizidor at 12, you know what I'm saying? I think his tape is good enough to be a guy to consider at 12. If you just look, look what I said earlier when I was like, hey man, some people have Macedor like playing better than Bane or like Mazidor's tape would grade higher than Bane. I think there's a lot of people that'll say that. It's just that Bane is probably like the younger dude. Bane doesn't have the health issues and all this kind of stuff. And there's just more to go into the conversation. But just as a run stopping guy, as a pass rusher playing whatever scheme, dog Mesador is a dude. He is such a dude. I mean, you don't want to drop him back in coverage, but I don't watch none of these guys drop back in cover. I don't really care. But like, he is so nice. But I don't think nobody else would draft him at 12. I think the consensus around the league would have him like around the 20s or so. And I don't feel great about drafting somebody at 12 that everybody else would be drafting in the 20. Especially if I feel like I can get him at 20 and I can get somebody else at 12, you know what I mean? But Mezador, if he had two good feet and he wasn't my age, then

[Kyle Yeomans]

you would have a conversation.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think he's a top 10 guy

[Kyle Yeomans]

and I don't think that would consider. I would have to ask Brian Broadus about his thoughts on this one too. But that's not in my opinion. That's not window dressing your board. That's playing value, where value is situated because you still think he's a great player, you still think he belongs in that conversation. But if the rest of the consensus of the league is that you could get him in the mid-20s, then you can maybe see what happens and you let it stretch to 20 and hope that he's still there on the board.

[Vach Lombardi]

Also too this the problem. Mesador is my 14th overall player, but if you draft him at 12, I still got 13 guys that can go over him. And I just take one of those guys, you feel me?

[Kyle Yeomans]

And there's bound to be at least

[Vach Lombardi]

one person, one of the people, whether it's offense player or not. So it goes back to my conversation, like, yeah, man, you need defense. But. But this offensive player is my ninth best player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So he's below the line at 12 that Brian Schottenheimer was talking about. Below the line at 12, but above the line if it's at 20.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's about eight people below the line at 12. I really. But boy, he's a party at 20. Okay, he's a party at 20 and I love to have him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That would be interesting. Frank wants to know what's happening. Who are your best nickel guys in this draft? Safety or corner that can also play, man.

[Vach Lombardi]

So I heard Scheidenheimer talking about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was very adamant that they still needed nickel.

[Vach Lombardi]

Me and Brian Broads was having a conversation, shouts out to Broder. I don't think that the nickel dude like he was talking about like players with flexibility that can do all this kind of stuff. And it went back to even with Shoddy even doubled down saying that they want Bland outside. Like they want Bland to be an outside corner and not inside right. I think the nickel, whoever plays nickel, their second job is probably gonna have to be safety. Back in the day you'll have a nickel that could be bland. Right. His second job was just outside corner. I think in this scheme, in this regime. I don't even wanna say nickel corner. The nickel dude. I think the nickel dude is so different than what we've been thinking about as nickel guy. We think about a guy like Chandler Rivers from Duke, the corner, kind of little bitty. I don't think he qualifies as a guy that we trying to explain. I think he's a totally different type of dude. If teams have d' Angelo Pons and we like Pons, we like Pons as an outside guy, but he a little bitty. So teams may want him to be like a nickel kind of guy. Great cover corner. I don't think that's who the Cowboys looking for. I think the Cowboys want a safety to where that safety's second job is playing nickel.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jalen Thompson.

[Vach Lombardi]

Thompson, sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

And what I think this regime wants to do, this administration, I think they want Jalen Thompson playing nickel. But to mix up the look at any minute, Jaylon Thompson can go play on the roof, but somebody else gotta come and do his job at nickel. So you need another safety type guy. So names that can do that, people gonna say thienaman. But I like Thinnerman second job to be just regular strong safety and not nickel. McNeil Warren is a guy that could qualify for that. Kyle Lewis Is a guy that can qualify for that. Deontay Scott, he looks pro day. He looks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he looks really good.

[Vach Lombardi]

Let's take him and what round he goes. I got him as a third on my board.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a third on mine too. But if he's there at 92, that's a party.

[Vach Lombardi]

You have to. You gotta buy people sushi. If you get Kyle Lewis, Keonte Scott is the guy. Yeah, some people a little higher on him too, but he's another guy that can play.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Older guy though. Like he's gonna be 25 when he starts the draft.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's my age, but he gonna make some plays.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Starts training camp.

[Vach Lombardi]

Rather Ramsey from usc. So my overall point is the dude that's gonna be nickel dude is probably gonna have to play some deep safety at some point. And I don't think that that fits what a Chandler Rivers or what a d' Angelo Ponce is gonna do in the league.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The which positions of need. This is from Merck.

[Vach Lombardi]

Sup, Merc.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Which position of need do we have to address in the first round? Since the drop off in talent is so steep to 92, what position of need can you not afford to leave the first round without?

[Vach Lombardi]

Man, I think the Cowboys are so fortunate for how their roster put together per what this draft is. I think that. I think. I think day three edges, defensive tackles, man. Maybe linebacker. Corner and safety. Good, good for sure. Maybe line. So maybe linebacker. Like once I get down the linebacker. My day, three guys, man, I like them too. Torre in York, Keyshawn Elliott.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, but are they going to be able to come in and start for you?

[Vach Lombardi]

Probably not. So you got to get a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got to get a guy that's going to come in and be a dude. So I would put linebacker unless they have a plan elsewhere, which it seems like they may. And we can't talk about specific names or scenarios on this show, but it seems they may have a plan elsewhere.

[Vach Lombardi]

The only problem about linebacker is that you don't have anybody that you feel good planning now. No, you can go past Russia late cause you got some pass rushes, you got some corners, you got safeties, you definitely got tackles, d tackles. But you got Shemar James right now. No disrespect to Shemar James.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they like him.

[Vach Lombardi]

They like Shemar James, man, but I don't wanna lean on him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I would love it if he comes in, competes and whoop whoever. Because if that's the case, hey man, we got depth at linebacker now. You're going to have to get linebacker early. I would say Torian. Torian York is the last guy that I feel good about and he 5 10. He 5 10. But I got him in the, in the fourth round so I don't know if they like him in that way but I think he could start in the league.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm trying to figure out how to say this guy's name. I'm just going to go with Sean.

[Vach Lombardi]

What's up? Sean?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sean. If he wants to know if we traded for a couple of guys. Can't say specific names.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, we're going to say on traded

[Kyle Yeomans]

for a star linebacker.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And a star edge rusher for sure. And didn't give up a. Or and didn't have a third round pick anymore because of whatever they ended up doing. You lose your third and you might lose one of your first depending on who you trade for. Would you still find a way to trade up and go get Reese or Styles to try and combine everything from that point?

[Vach Lombardi]

If you're not getting in the trade market, right? Yeah. If you not going for a ridiculous big fish. A ridiculous big fish, Some disgruntled cat, some dude that might be the best of all time. I don't know. I'm just creating names. Some 99 on Madden. If you're not getting one of those guys, you need to prioritize your picks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I think so too.

[Vach Lombardi]

You need to just keep your picks. So trading up would be fun. But if I'm trading up, it's because I want to aggressively feel a need. But if I traded a third to fill a need then I can kind of chill on that a little bit. So let's just say Sonny Styles, right. You traded your third to get your star linebacker. Maybe I won't be as aggressive to go get Sonny Styles. Cause I got my star linebacker now. So now I got the luxury of just letting the draft kind of come to me a little bit. Because if I have truly gotten a linebacker, I keep tapping your computer. That's okay. If I spent draft capital and I truly address linebacker and I truly address pass rusher, I feel straight.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can draft whoever you want, take who the hell.

[Vach Lombardi]

You can get the tight end if you want to. You can get Sadiq from Oregon if you want to. Cause you filled your spots in good. Now you just gotta do the whole depth thing. So. Nah, I'm not trying to trade up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I think I'm there with you and I could maybe be talked into a conversation. If you're able to find Your. If you're able to fill those holes, but in my opinion, you can't do both. You can't have trade capital, trade up, but also fill your holes with whatever significant playmaker you've got.

[Vach Lombardi]

If you can go and get a dude that's a 99, you're not gonna have any bang anyway. No, those. Those two dudes never. Well, I ain't gonna say they're never play together, but they gonna be in Dallas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not and not anytime soon, right? Yeah, no, that's not the case. All right, final couple questions. Who's a name that we're not talking about? This comes from pass on first down.

[Vach Lombardi]

What's up? Pass on first down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who is the name we're not talking about? That could be a selection at 12. I think the Peter woods conversation earlier could maybe be thrown into that mix.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, I wouldn't like it, but it's a conversation. Peter woods and Keljk Faulk are real

[Kyle Yeomans]

life conversations, but we're talking about those. Is there one that would just be out of left field?

[Vach Lombardi]

I don't think. You know, we talk about Ma Noah a bunch. We don't talk about Fano a bunch. And I think Fano is the second best tackle on the. And he's a right tackle, and you would need that. Man. This class. This ain't a class where you got like 19 dudes that can all be drafted right here. We feel great about it. Yeah. If you draft him at 12, there's a big six. It ain't a big 11 foot, you know what I'm saying? So it's not a whole bunch of people that we're not talking about. I think we do a pretty good job on this show of exhausting every possibility. We talked about the running backs, pass rushers, defensive tackles. We talked about Keldrick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, let me rephrase the question.

[Vach Lombardi]

Tommy saying Dylan, because I. Feeneman.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, of course. He is the one conversation. Let's say that's the case.

[Vach Lombardi]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's say they reach at 12. Maybe not reach, but on their board where they have somebody higher than we have them.

[Vach Lombardi]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they go to 12 and they take a them and. Or they take a CJ Allen to fill a need or whatever it ends up being. And then at 20, you're sitting there. What's a name at 20 that we could maybe. Or that we haven't maybe talked about that could be there and that could. I think there's more of a range of craziness there because they went ahead of their board at 12 to try and take a player that they liked or that 20. There's so much of a gap between 20 and 92 that you could take anybody there because you're not going to get a second chance at them.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'll say this, and I just run down the side of this thing for safety at 20. We often talk about Feneman and McNeil Warren. I don't think we're talking about Wheatley from Penn State enough.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think I would love to see him in that range. I actually got him ranked higher than McNeil Warren. We've heard them talk about Hood and Terrell. I don't think we're talking about Abney from Arizona State or Chris Johnson from San Diego. Yeah, I don't think we're talking about him enough. We talk about Allen and Hill all the time. I don't think we're talking about Trotter enough. Jeremiah Trotter from Missouri, bad boy. He can read the run, come up thump, deal with offensive linemen, disengage. He's not a super cover guy, but he could drop back a little bit. I think he's big enough, you know, measurable, wise, great blitzer if you want to pass rush and put him on the end. Or Bliss. He could do all the things that all these other guys do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

It just depends on if you feel like you talking about him enough. We talk about we probably ain't going. Tackles Quinn and Kenny make your life real nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they do.

[Vach Lombardi]

As far as edges go, have we discussed Zion Young being a possibility at 20?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think so.

[Vach Lombardi]

Cause I think people talk about him as a first round guy, but I don't think that we eating the cheese on that and talking about him as

[Kyle Yeomans]

a. I've got him as a day two guy. So if he ended up sneaking into the back half of the first, I don't think I'd be shocked.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'd be upset. And one more thing. The Cowboys have brought in wide receiver Omar Cooper for a 30. I don't know what that's for, but just in the event that there's a wide receiver conversation be happening. Casey Concepcion, Jeremy Bernard, Denzel, Boston, they're all wide receivers that can go at 20. Cause I got second round grades on them. So they can possibly be there at 20. Or the idea that somebody that may be higher on your board, that falls a little bit. So I got lemon as a first round wide receiver. If he's there at 20. Do they talk about it? Yeah, you know what I'm saying I ain't got much for y' all for like running backs at 20. I don't think we should be going that far, but I think those guys are like worth the conversation at least.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, lots of conversations still to be had between now and then, including on Thursday where if everybody is back in the building, if Bobby's here, if Nick is here, if Tommy is here, Voch shows up again. Then we will do our mock draft on Thursday and we will have our first round scenario and see how it plays out. Maybe we'll have those conversations on who is going at 12 and 20, but that's going to do it for us here today on the draft show. Appreciate all the questions and hanging out with us again this week. We may just tell everybody to stay home next week too. We'll see what happens.

[Vach Lombardi]

Make it a weekly thing it right there when they come back. And I ain't gonna say nothing, say a single thing. Be ready.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can't wait for V. Lombardi for Paul Bas and Matt Kent in the back filling in for Chris Beam. I'm Kyle Y saying so long from the draft show. We'll see you on Thursday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Vach Lombardi]

How about this Cowboys.