Draft Show: Damaged Goods?

Summary

The Draft Show: Damaged Goods?

Date: February 12, 2026
Podcast: The Draft Show (DallasCowboys.com)
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Voch Lombardi, Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish
Main Theme: Navigating draft strategies, medical uncertainties, and “win-now” needs for the Cowboys (and the NFL) as the 2025 NFL Draft looms—with a deep dive on prospects with injury “red flags,” positional debates, and day three steals.

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Episode Overview

With just 10 weeks remaining before the 2025 NFL Draft, the crew debates one of the cycle's oldest quandaries: how much risk can teams tolerate with “damaged goods” prospects—those with significant injury histories? The conversation zooms in on the evolving consensus regarding first-round corners, decision-making between high-upside developmental players vs. immediate contributors, ideal trade-down strategies, and prospects who might fall through the cracks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Draft Approaches: Pressure and Uncertainty

• Countdown to Draft (00:21): Kyle frames the episode with just 10 weeks left until the draft, noting the sense of urgency, particularly with the Cowboys holding two first-round picks.
• Voch on how having two first rounders increases the complexity, “It can be any one of 15 people now that you got to kind of like do some homework on, some deep dive on...making me feel like I don't have enough time.” (01:08)
• Tommy stresses the importance of the Combine for “narrowing down a lot of these guys” and how many prospects don't climb draft boards until after teams see the medicals, interviews, and numbers (01:37).

Stock on “Damaged Goods”: Cornerback Dilemma

Delane vs. McCoy (02:16 - 05:02)

• Voch highlights how Combine interviews and medicals dramatically shape boards—citing A.D. Mitchell “got taken off the board of some people because of combine interviews.”
• Corner trend: All-Star Game and league chatter is rapidly making Mansour Delane the favorite over Jerma McCoy, despite previous consensus. “Delane above McCoy. Delane, above McCoy...you're probably reflecting what the league is chattering, which is Delane will go first.” (03:02)
• Bobby asks if healthy medicals at the Combine could put McCoy back atop; the consensus is “no,” given concerns with year-long injury absences:
  “It's so hard to just say, let me take a guy who hasn't played football in a year.” (Voch, 04:30)
• Voch and Kyle recall Pennix’s surprising top-10 selection despite knee issues—concluding “anything’s possible”—but skepticism on McCoy’s upside without immediate health assurances.

Where Does He Land? (06:22)

• Tommy calls his shot: “He’s going 13 to the Rams. That makes way too much sense.” (07:23)
• Reasoning:
  • The Rams can give McCoy a gentle “on ramp” back, not needing year-one production.
  • Cowboys “can’t afford any” such gambles (07:28).
  • “The Rams...have the capability to say...we want you to take your time and get to 100%.”

History Repeats? Will Johnson/Caleb Farley Parallels

• Bobby likens it to Will Johnson the year prior, who dropped due to injuries but played well as a rookie.
  “Wouldn't this be a reason for us to go, hey man, don't let this Will Johnson thing happen again? Jamal McCoy is much [better] than Will Johnson.” (08:01)
• Voch cautions, “Closer comp for McCoy's situation is Caleb Farley...who did not work out” due to injuries (08:42).

Draft Philosophy: “Win Now” vs. High Upside

Dallas’ Team Timeline (10:06)

• Voch’s Hypothetical: Would you rather take high-upside, developmental prospects who make you elite in three years, or immediate contributors who make you “good” now?
• Consensus:
  • Cowboys need to “cover those bases in free agency” and “draft two guys that are ready to go” (Tommy, 10:56).
  • “If my last name was Jones, I’m thinking more about...Dak and his top tier play right now than...down the line. I’m looking for the high floor dudes.” (Bobby, 11:50)
• Kyle: These picks will “tell you exactly where the Jones family...is leaning”—drafting developmental guys signals a long-term focus, immediate contributors signal “win now.” (13:10)
• Illustrations:
  • Tyler Smith was thought to need time, but was “ready to go” (14:01).
  • “Sometimes how we look at them as being raw...these teams may go [the opposite].”

Draft Slot Value and “Upside” (14:46)

• “I'm kind of weird about these super ceiling upside guys early. I'll take them late. But if I'm picking you at 12, man, I want to feel so great about your year one. Caleb Downs is that example for me.” (Bobby, 14:59)
• Downs reportedly is viewed by some scouts as “the best safety prospect [they've] ever evaluated.” (15:06)

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Combine Invitations & Notable Omissions (17:09)

• 319 prospects invited; a few notable exclusions:
  • Jaden Ott (RB, Oklahoma): Surprising to Kyle, but Voch reasons that teams “probably...got a handle on him” due to age, transfers, and sufficient prior exposure (19:02).
  • Others: Mark Gronowski (QB, Iowa), Tyron Montgomery (WR, John Carroll), Noah Thomas (WR, Georgia), James Brockermeyer (OL, Alabama). Reasons cited include stacked position groups and lack of on-field tape.

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Twitter on the 20: Listener Questions and Rapid Fire Analysis

Fourth-Round Targets if Day Two Is Quiet (26:06)

• Tommy:
  • Chandler Rivers (CB, Duke) – ideal nickel fit.
  • Kieran Crawford (OLB, Auburn) – super athlete, standout at Senior Bowl.
• Voch: Wonders if flexible “tweener” types like Keonte Scott (Miami) could slide like Desmond King did.
• Bobby:
  • Edge targets: Derek Moore (Michigan), Zion Young (Missouri), Josh Josephs (Tennessee).
  • On Jake Goldie (LB, Cincinnati): Range of grades, could slip to day three but probably gone earlier.

Value Pick Differences at #12 vs #20 (30:59)

• Bobby’s “sick” picks:
  • Colton Hood (CB, Tennessee): “Don't like it at 12, but you'd be cool at 20.”
  • Cassius Howes (pass rusher).
• Voch: Mezador (DL)—awkward at 12, good value at 20.
• “Most of the players are guys that I might feel a little awkward about at 12, but better about at 20.” (Voch, 31:54)
• Consensus: More value in trading down from 12 than from 20 due to draft tier drop-offs.

Possible Quarterback Trade-Up Scenarios (34:11):

• Tommy speculates Ty Simpson (QB, Alabama) could be a team’s “post-Combine riser.”
• Teams like the Rams, Vikings, Jets could get aggressive for a QB—making Dallas’s #12 spot ripe for a trade-down if a run starts there.
• Random mock: Sonny Styles to DAL at 12, Cassius Howell at 20—seen as a “slam dunk” scenario (36:24).

The Trinidad Chambliss Situation (36:47)

• Struggles with eligibility (legal dispute over extra year at Ole Miss).
• Draft impact: Limited tape, only one SEC season, probably a day three grade, but could rise due to positional scarcity.
• Voch: “He's interesting...Older prospect, limited experience. It's a risk.”
• Kyle: “I have him in the fourth, but QB runs can push him up.”

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Scouting Reports: New Film & Fresh Takes (43:55+)

Chris Brazell II (WR, Tennessee) [Bobby, 44:10]

• Strengths: Size, speed, hands, catch radius
• Weakness: Incredibly simple route tree—over 48% go routes or hitches (45:45)
• “His biggest selling point is I run slants, goes and hits, and my biggest plays are me running past people.”
• Parallels drawn to Jalin Hyatt: Elite athlete, but NFL will have to develop route skills.

AR Mason Thomas (Edge, Oklahoma) [Tommy, 47:15]

• Undersized but strong and smart; “really quick off the line...high ceiling” if schemed right
• “Closer late in games...step up in those big hit sacks when you need them.”
• Graded around #20 on most boards—would be fine value at pick #20.

Kyle Lewis (Hybrid LB/S, Pitt) [Voch, 48:54]

• Fluid athlete in coverage, “Shaq Thompson vibes,” but real issues disengaging from blocks/run fits.
• “A really good versatile piece...run and chase will probably at the next level.”

LT Overton (Edge, Alabama) [Bobby, 50:03]

• Underwhelming; lacks tools, counters, and production in Senior Bowl; best in a 5-tech/odd front
• Sam Hecht (C, Kansas State), on the other hand, was praised for anchoring and fit in outside-zone teams.

Mike Washington Jr. (RB, Arkansas) [Tommy, 51:42]

• Physical, immediate accelerator; “finishes through the end of plays”; led SEC in YPC at 6.4
• Major red flag: 10 career fumbles (52:33)
• “I just can't put anybody who had 10 fumbles” high, but production and traits are clear.

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Sleeper Quarterback Debate: Garrett Nussmeier (LSU) [Voch, 54:41]

• Voch is notably high on him—“so natural...real chance to be that quarterback...a Pro Bowl type player down the line.”
• Biggest knocks: Undersized, sometimes reckless/cocky throws—17 picks in two years—but “context” of tough LSU situation relevant.
• “When I stand there and I watch him read a defense and I watch him throw the football, sometimes he doesn't make the best decisions...but there are some really special NFL throws on his tape.” (55:23)
• Consensus: Early 2nd (Voch), high 3rd (Kyle), “work to do but real upside.”

Caleb Banks (DL, Louisville/Kentucky): Enormous, raw, “supernaturally gifted,” but “doesn’t know how to play D-line yet.” (60:14) Tommy: late 2nd round grade, Bobby: “not drafting in the trees.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There's always some Caleb Farleys for every Will Johnson!” – Voch (08:42)
• On Tyler Smith: “Was thought of being a guy who...would take two to three years. And he was ready to go.” – Voch (14:01)
• “I'm kind of weird about these super ceiling upside guys early. I'll take them late...If I'm picking you at 12, man, I want to feel so great about your year one. Caleb Downs is that example for me.” – Bobby (14:46)
• “Some of these guys you watch every year...you can get into the ins and outs...or you just be like, man, that's just a good football player.” – Tommy on Caleb Downs (16:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:21 — Show opens, urgency around two first-round picks
• 02:16–05:02 — Combine effect; Delane over McCoy; risk assessments at CB
• 06:22–07:28 — McCoy to Rams theory; why Dallas can’t risk him at #12
• 08:42–10:05 — Parallels to historic injury gambles (Farley, Johnson, etc.)
• 10:06–14:46 — Cowboys' “win now” vs. development debate and impact of pick value
• 14:46–15:38 — The mystery (and hype) of Caleb Downs
• 17:09–21:53 — Combine invite snubs and rationale
• 26:26–28:54 — Fourth-round dream targets
• 30:59–32:39 — Players you love at 20 but not at 12; trade-down logic
• 34:11–36:37 — QB run trade-up scenarios (Ty Simpson, Simpson/Rams scenario)
• 36:47–40:46 — Trinidad Chambliss eligibility saga; QB draft strategies
• 43:55–54:10 — Scouting rapid-fire: WR, EDGE, LB/S, RB deep dives
• 54:41–59:53 — Garrett Nussmeier sleeper debate
• 60:05–61:13 — Caleb Banks discussion

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Tone & Style

The show is loose, collegiate, and highly conversational, with frequent friendly banter and teasing between hosts. Humor and candid opinion are hallmarks (“He’ll end up like Jalin Hyatt…I got him in the fourth…”), and the crew openly admits to differing draft philosophies and grading approaches: “Team suck at drafting, you never know.”

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TL;DR

With 10 weeks remaining until the NFL Draft and two Cowboys first-rounders, the staff dive into the “damaged goods” dilemma—debating risk/reward on injured prospects (especially at corner), the value of high floor/‘ready now’ guys vs. high-ceiling projects, and the major role of the Combine in clarifying the draft picture. Fan questions spur analysis on fourth round steals, “awkward at 12 but awesome at 20” picks, and how the Cowboys' choices will signal their competitive priorities for 2026–2027.

Most Memorable Quote:

“I'm kind of weird about these super ceiling upside guys early. I'll take them late...If I'm picking you at 12, man, I want to feel so great about your year one.” – Bobby Belt (14:46)

Top Takeaways:

• Medicals and interviews at the Combine will be “make or break” for key prospects.
• Cowboys are (and should be) in “win-now” mode—expect fewer big gambles.
• There’s lots of ‘awkward’ value at 12; flexibility to trade down from that slot makes sense.
• Several prospects (McCoy, Nussmeier, Washington Jr.) divide the room on risk, upside, and value.

For Cowboys fans and draft nerds: this episode offers direct, inside-the-war-room logic and lively prospect debate—with a healthy appreciation for the unpredictable “team suck at draft” factor.

Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is the DallasCowboys.com draft show, your.

[Bobby Belt]

War room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the confines of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

[Bobby Belt]

Now, your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish and Kyle Yeomans. Today is Thursday, February 12, 2026, and we are 70 days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, officially 10 weeks out as we welcome you into the draft show, presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys, with Fox Lombardi, Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us. Welcome in, everybody. Ten weeks away. It's coming up very quickly. How quickly has it blown by? Even from the first show we had here, which was like 103, 104 days out, and now we're five weeks down into the show even.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's been pretty. It's been pretty fast, this one. And I don't know if it's just because they have the two first round picks too, that you just feel. Because usually you feel like you can send around, like just a couple people. Like even once you do the initial work, you feel like, all right, there's probably one of these three or four people that the pickle actually beat. Now we got two picks. It's like, I don't know this. It can be any one of 15 people now that you got to kind of like do some homework on, some deep dive on. So that's the. I think that's what's making me feel like it's going by quicker because I feel like I don't have enough time.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, no, I'm with you. I think that things will become a lot more clear. Combine and after. And granted, you're getting close to the day anyway, so. Yeah, Tommy, that's obvious. But I think the combine is such a. Thank you. I think combine is such a big event to and such a big data point to where it really starts to narrow down a lot of these guys. And, you know, we've talked about on the show how some of these guys don't stack until after the combine. I think, you know, you could say that maybe some NFL teams operate the same way in the sense of they, you know, have guys stacked, but it's a bigger mover in terms of the numbers that come out of it. So always intrigued by that and excited to get there in a couple weeks.

[Vach Lombardi]

Here you learn so much there, too. Whether it be about medicals, you learn about character stuff, you learn about who, who came out of an interview process with like, didn't like that answer. I, I mean, there was A.D. mitchell, I know got taken off the board of some people because of combine interviews and the way that we're like, okay, that was the last bit of information we needed. So stuff starts crystallizing a little bit and so that's a big help for it. And also it's just, I think you get the whole league in the same city for the same work and naturally you just, you start hearing chatter about things about how the league feels about people and you're like, oh, we're really behind on that. Like, I think one of the things that felt like pretty consistently Everybody had Jermad McCoy above Monsour Delane.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

The more you're getting out of these All Star games, you're starting to see national media all of a sudden it's like delaying. Above McCoy. Delane, above McCoy. Delaney above McCoy. Because I think you're probably reflecting what the league is chattering, which is Delane will go first.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

If we get to the combine and Jerma, you know, medicals check out, he's running around good. If he decides to go through drills and stuff and all that kind of stuff, I do think his 2024 tape is better than Delanes. So if the knee checks out and all this kind of stuff and he's running around flipping hips and all this kind of stuff, do you think that we'll see that change in some of these league wide mock drafts? I like to ask Bobby questions. You know, he's, he's tapped in, he's lead guy. Yeah, I love.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, I don't think so.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

Now, I mean, like, you could always be surprised. I, people didn't think that Loveland was going to go ahead of Tyler Warren last year. That was one of the last things you would suspect. But I also remember how, and they ended up being right. And I'm not saying this is the same issue at all, but I remember how people treated Caleb Farley and, and we're just like, I don't know, I don't know. That's, that's just a little concerning. You gotta remember corner is not one of those, oh yeah, you're ready to go out there, go out there immediately and do that. I, I, so I think for a lot of teams, yeah, if you've got the time investment or, you know, you feel like, okay, I can take a little bit of a gamble or I can do this or that, whatever it may be, perhaps you, you might find A fit where somebody says, I'll take McCoy first. But there's so many questions. It's so hard to just say, let me take a guy who hasn't played football in a year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's. That's more of like a back of the first round sort of possibility. I mean, these are the teams that have already gone deeper into the postseason, may already have significant players, or maybe.

[Vach Lombardi]

Even Pennix went 8. I never thought that would have happened with knee concerns and his age and everything. He went eight. So, I mean, anything's possible. But, man, it'.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But is it likely that he would. That he could fall? I think it's more likely that he's going to fall than it is a Mansour delay.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, I think Delane goes. I think Delane's first corner off the board. And I think four weeks ago, most, most people thought it would be McCoy.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

And it's just. They're catching up to chatter now because you go around All Star Games, you're around a bunch of people, you start hearing what people have to say.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. And that'll happen again. And there will be some to. To answer your question kind of in a sideways way here, Vox, but there will be conversations that are had at the Combine where you're going to start seeing some consensus on these boards where it' Whether it's the national media, local media, team media, whatever it ends up being, it's going to turn into more of a consensus along the way because everybody's going to start talking. Everybody's going to have conversations. I mean, Bobby knows just from being out there the last couple of years, but even names like Tyler Smith and Mozzie Smith start popping up in first round conversations when you're out at the Combine and when you're having those different meetings and people tend to come out of those meetings talking. So there's a lot of information to be gathered out there. It's not always about the drills. It is a lot about the medicals, but it's about what teams are thinking and how the league is leaning in certain situations. So it is going to be really interesting.

[Tommy Yarish]

Can I. Can I call a shot on McCoy?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can you.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. He call a shot or take a shot?

[Tommy Yarish]

I'm. I'm calling a shot.

[Vach Lombardi]

Oh, okay. I thought you're saying don't take a shot at McCoy.

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, no, no, no. I think he's incredible.

[Bobby Belt]

I heard Tommy's really funny when he's drunk, though.

[Tommy Yarish]

Tommy, I haven't seen it doesn't happen very often.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So get some Miller Lights in here.

[Tommy Yarish]

He'S going 13 of the Rams.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Tommy Yarish]

That makes way too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Calling your shot.

[Tommy Yarish]

That makes way too much sense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't think he goes to Dallas because Dallas just can't afford any.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why does that make sense?

[Tommy Yarish]

Corner. Because the Rams, they need a corner. They don't need him to play as soon as he gets there. Like, if they. I think they have the capability to say, okay, we want you to take your time and get to 100%. And the biggest thing with McCoy was this change of direction, Right. The way he's able to flip his hips, put his knee in the ground, turn back, and get to the ball if he can't do that, or if he can't do that as well, but he can if you give him some time to get back to it. That's a guy where you can give him an on ramp, and the Rams are in a position where they can afford to do that and give him an on ramp to get back to that playing point because he hasn't played in so long, you don't need to throw the weight of the world on his shoulders on day one if he goes to the Rams. And I think that's a position of need for them, and I think it makes a lot of sense.

[Bobby Belt]

Let me ask y' all this, and this ain't us fighting. I'm just asking, how similar is this to the Will Johnson thing last year? You know what I'm saying? He kind of heard or whatever. We don't see him play some ball. Da, da, da. We got questions. But we saw the film. The film was good. And he falls in the draft. They take him, and, damn, he plays well on the field like the film said that it would. Is that kind of similar?

[Vach Lombardi]

Well, first off, I think the reason he played well was because he was working with your new defensive backs coach here in Dallas. That's probably why. No, the. I'd say it's a little different because I don't think there's a universal consensus on. I had Johnson as a first rounder, but I don't think there's a universal consensus or was on Johnson nearly as much as there is on McCoy. Like, that's a stud. Yeah. Like when you. So I think. I think McCoy is even thought of more highly.

[Bobby Belt]

So that's. That's kind of my. My point. Almost like just watching the film. I think Jamal McCoy's film is much better. So wouldn't that be a reason if we're looking and teams suck at drafting. I get this, but wouldn't this be a reason for us to go, hey man, don't let this Will Johnson thing happen again. Jamal McCoy is much than Will Johnson. He's, he's, he's further removed from his injury than Johnson was. Let's just, let's just take this guy and like not overthink it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And by a lot too. I mean he's going to be going into training camp. What is it, 19 months removed from the injury.

[Vach Lombardi]

I mean it's, he's fine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's almost two full years of not having football, which is big, but also of being able to rehab and work out and get ready for that moment again as well.

[Vach Lombardi]

I mean the closest. Oh, we got film. Look at that. This is ancient film. Yeah, this is election year film. Goodness. No. I would say the more concerning thing I think is the closer comp for McCoy's situation is Caleb Farley. And Caleb Farley I'd agree with, did not work out. Now obviously you can't just go, oh, that's the same. They both sat out a year and here we are. They have different profiles, they have different medicals, like all these things are different. But I think that for the Will Johnson's that exist of the world, there's Caleb Farley, there's on a lesser extent what this team dealt with last year. There's Savone Revel who had, you know, some, some trouble coming back from it and needed the extra time. I do think it's interesting that. And not to completely hijack what you want to do, Kyle. No, but I'm curious about this because this sort of came up, whether it be with you talking about the Rams have time or when you talk about a guy like who's been mocked somewhat consistently the last couple days in some of these national mocks to Dallas, Keldrick Falk from Auburn is that you look at guys who maybe need to take some time to develop. If I told you the two players you could pick for Dallas, I tell you like next year, pro ready, they make you the number 12 to 14 defense in the NFL along with free agency acquisitions.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Vach Lombardi]

Or I tell you just throw out two random names here. Keldrick Falk and Brandon C. Say from South Carolina, who's thought of as being a little more raw and needing some time. If I say, well, they're going to make you more like the 22nd defense next year, but three years from now you're going to be closer to a top 10 defense late. Like you're going to be inside the top 10 because that do you think Dallas has. Is in a position right now as a team that you can afford to take players that will take time to develop and are not going to contribute right away.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you're saying trade long term, higher upside.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, higher. Higher highs in the next few years in exchange for. They're going to make you good right now, but they may not make you elite in three years.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think I would go for the right now guys.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think you kind of have to. They're in a position where they need.

[Vach Lombardi]

It right now, but that's also dependent on you need to cover those other bases in free agency. Probably. Absolutely. Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's if they. But from what I understood, you're saying if they did cover those bases in free agency and they draft two guys that are ready to go, then. Absolutely. Because if this team brings back George Pickens, then they're. They're pushing for competing.

[Vach Lombardi]

Like as an example of it, let's say CJ Allen and Keldrick Falk. They're not Falk. Let's say you take C.J. allen and C.C. mezador. Okay. Mezador and Allen. And then they won't go with those spaces, but you to go. Mezador's pro ready. He's also 25, but Mezador's pro ready. You feel like CJ Allen's pro ready. Maybe he doesn't have like this tremendous wild ceiling versus saying, okay, I go out and get Jermad McCoy and I get Keldrick Falk, who may end up projecting out to being really great, but they're not doing much for me in all likelihood right now.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Which is more desirable to a team like this? Because I think at that point I'd rather combo up with guys who are going to do things right now.

[Bobby Belt]

If my last name was Jones, I'm thinking more about the next three years, in the next five. Like, I'm worried about Dak and his top tier play right now than what we're looking like later on down the line. So if that's the case, I'm looking for the high floor dudes. I'm not thinking about the upside guys. Cause the upside guys, it may take them three years to be who they really are. We might be out of the window by then. You know what I'm saying? We're talking about our guy from last year. Who is our edge from Georgia?

[Vach Lombardi]

Mikel Williams.

[Bobby Belt]

Mikel Williams, right. Do we have time to sit around and watch you develop for three years when I need it right this second? You may be fantastic. In year five.

[Vach Lombardi]

And sometimes that's wrong. Sometimes that's wrong because Michael Williams obviously got. Obviously that got hurt for the year, but they were talking about. Mikel Williams was performing really well leading up to the season before he got hurt.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm taking floor right now. Help me, guys. That's just facts.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I think part of that is, like you said, it's. It's surrender or it's surrounding what you have at quarterback. It's surrounding what Dak Prescott showed you this year and what the offense showed you this year. These picks are going to tell you exactly where the Jones family is leaning in the front office is leaning in that sense. Because we're going to look at the two names and Bobby just provided a couple great examples. We're going to look at the two names at 12 and 20 and immediately turn around and say, okay, this is a win now move.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or this is a okay, draft and develop type of move that's going to set you up and maybe give you some pieces in five years. But at the moment, you can't necessarily plan for five years down the line. You got to win now. Think about what, especially with the offense you've got.

[Bobby Belt]

Think about what the Cowboys going through now with drafting Booker last year and drafting Guyton two, three years ago. Whenever it was right, like, all right, man, we going into this season and tackle is a question. Hopefully Guyton makes another jump. Da, da da, da, da. None of us are worried about year two Booker. None of us have a concern. Year two Booker about to go and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Whoop, he'll be great.

[Bobby Belt]

And we. And he gonna get bigger and stronger. And we like, hey, man, if Guyn's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Gonna be Tyler Smith on the other.

[Bobby Belt]

Side, he's gonna be other Tyler Smith. And we're like, hey, man, if Gaiden do some more yoga and stretch and box in the rain a little bit more, then we hope that he'll be, you know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

The box in the rain.

[Vach Lombardi]

And on that point, Tyler Smith, when he was drafted, was thought of being a guy who. It's going to take two to three years. And he was ready to go.

[Bobby Belt]

Sure.

[Vach Lombardi]

So it also just sometimes how we look at them as being raw and moldable Clay, these teams may go. Nope. We know the work ethic, and that's why the combine and everything else is so important. The way they studies, they go. No, we know enough about them as students to know they're going to pick it up.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah. To be fair, I do Think guidance is going to be fine. It's just we're year three into it. Kind of waiting around on him. You know what I'm saying? I want that dude that's going to be nice as a rookie and nicer than next year. I just want to put that on. I just, I just want.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, that's the win for everybody. You want the guys that are Tyler Smith where they are immediately ready but they were thought to be a developmental guy and now you have him ready for five years as opposed to building to the five years.

[Bobby Belt]

Which is why I'm. I'm kind of weird about these super ceiling upside guys early. I'll take them late.

[Kyle Yeomans]

McCoys.

[Bobby Belt]

Sure. I'll take those guys in the 20s, 30s, 50s, we'll have those, those picks this year. But I think that that that's where they go. If I'm picking you at 12, man, I want to feel so great about your year one. Caleb Downs is that example for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

He's ready right now.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Right this second.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that might be why he goes top five.

[Vach Lombardi]

Sure.

[Bobby Belt]

That's exactly why he goes.

[Vach Lombardi]

Did you guys see Dane's tweet today?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was that?

[Vach Lombardi]

Dane said that he had the. The discussion about Downs has come up a little bit. He's asked some scouts and he said Caleb Downs is the best safety prospect since. And he said there have been a couple scouts who have told him ever. Wow, that's the. That it's the best safety prospect they've ever evaluated.

[Tommy Yarish]

He was the best.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's obviously going to be related to their time of evaluation too.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

So I mean somebody's not going to tell you Ed Reed because they don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Know he's in my eyes it's the best since Kyle Hamilton in terms of.

[Vach Lombardi]

All around guys similar to Hamilton. I think he's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He might be better.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's. He's a better athlete. I think so. A more explosive athlete than Hamilton.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But even with that it's like I don't like hearing that because the more the stuff that happens there, the more he's not even in the conversation at 12.

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, I think that that's already kind of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I know we're already training.

[Vach Lombardi]

We need. We need a 46 40.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

In the worst way.

[Tommy Yarish]

Even that might not.

[Bobby Belt]

Some drugs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We can just put that out there.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's good.

[Bobby Belt]

But not even gas masks like that's legal. I'm talking about coke in the trunk across the border type sh. Like police go get Pepsi. You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. We're a Pepsi company.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, well, some Pepsi in the trunk, you know what I'm saying? To distribute, you know what I mean? We need something drastic to have. They're gonna fire me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can't talk about this or just show.

[Vach Lombardi]

Up to run your 40 in a hoodie like James Pierce did, where they're.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, all right, yeah, love it.

[Vach Lombardi]

Get it together.

[Tommy Yarish]

What I was gonna say about downs is that I think every single game he's played in over the last two years, he is the best overall player on the field. Like, just straight up football player. I mean, there. There are so many guys that you watch every year that's just like, you know, you can get into the ins and outs of. Okay, yeah, he's got a good bend or, you know, good change of direction. You just be like, man, that's just a good football player.

[Vach Lombardi]

Joel Klatt the other day called him the smartest defensive football player he's ever watched.

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't think that's a long shot at all. And I think I've said this on the show before. What I go back to was when he was a true freshman, they signed him at Alabama, and Nick Saban and the, you know, signing day press conferences, talking about him and already throwing out, like, yeah, he might be the best we've had since Minka Fitzpatrick. Like, for Nick Saban to do that, like a true freshman who hasn't played a snap for you, that says a lot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's wild. 319 prospects invited to the NFL combine. The official list is now available on NFL.com if you want to go check it out for yourself. Couple names that didn't make the list. It's. It's mostly the normal names that we've all kind of been talking about on the show, but some of these guys that I thought were kind of surprising. How about Jaden Ott, the running back out of Oklahoma? I know, Bobby, you've. You've kind of heard and seen some things on Jaden Ott previously. Why would he not get an invite after a strong showing at the Senior Bowl?

[Vach Lombardi]

So, I mean, I think there is some of this, too, that when you get somebody like Jaden Ott, or you get somebody who, for instance, if you. They want to know about certain people. Yeah, right. So if you feel like during the All Star Game process, during the fact that he's been to a couple of different programs, if the league generally feels like they've got a beat on the things they need to know, then I think it's. It's just not as much of a priority for them. And so. And look, there have been times that you've gotten guys who weren't invited to the combine, and people around league have been upset. This is not the, the NFL's property, technically. Like, I mean, they're partnered up with it, but this is Jeff Foster and this is national football scouting, and this is their thing. Yeah. And so it's just like Senior Bowl, Senior bowl invites who they want, and that's something that they will try to invite people that the league wants. That's what they'll do in general. But also at the end of the day, they make executive decisions. So in terms of the. At the end of the day, why they didn't want art. There could just be a stack to the running back position and then recognizing we're only going to devote this to a few people. But I also think it's the fact that you got a guy who's what, 23, 24 years old, has been through Cal, he's been through Oklahoma, he's, you know, had a couple different spots and teams probably we're not clamoring like, we got to find out more about him, that they've got a handle on him.

[Tommy Yarish]

It's, it's. It reminds me a lot of the Jakory Crosby Merit situation last year. Because Crosby Merit didn't get a combine invite either. Yeah, because he obviously didn't play and Odd barely played for Oklahoma. Thankfully, I did not want to see him against Texas, but that's what I thought of when I, When I saw that is if Kroski Merritt didn't get it, then I would be very confused as to why odu. Not the same situation, but similar in the sense of you didn't really see him a lot on the field last year. Yeah, didn't get him on the field.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. And that might be why I was confused about it, because if anybody was a decisive running back figure in the draft because of his production in 2023, Cal dealt with some nagging injuries in 2024, and then this past year at Oklahoma, just never got on the field, period. Whatever it may have been there. All of that kind of led to me thinking he would be a combine invite just to get more information. But Bobby, you bring up a good point about how he's been at two major programs. He's been to the Senior Bowl, Maybe these teams already kind of got what they need.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, because that's the thing. I mean, if you've got. All right, he was at Cal, he was at Oklahoma. Then you've already got two area scouts with their connections who have talked to people at every team. You did get them at Senior Bowl. Like you've got these various connections where before they even get to the comment. And this will happen a lot more with guys who transfer programs now, but I would imagine a lot of teams felt like we've already got three people on our staff who have connections to places that he's been or have seen him, whatever, and we've gotten an idea from those programs and it's a consensus at this point. So we don't necessarily need to find out more about this. If we need something else, we'll bring them in for an interview.

[Tommy Yarish]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting stuff. Some other names that stuck out to me and stop me if you want to talk about any of these guys. Specifically Mark Gronowski, the Iowa quarterback who was a standout at the Shrine Game and was a big talking point there. Tyron Montgomery, the John Carroll wide receiver who we talked about quite a bit during Senior bowl week. Noah Thomas, Georgia wide receiver James Brockermeyer, who we interviewed on the Senior bowl coverage for the draft show. That one surprising. That one's surprising to you?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Landon Robinson, who had a great week at Shrine Game as well. Navy defensive tackle David Blade, Jr. Defensive tackle out of Miami. Jaden Duggar, LA Lafayette and then some of these other ones that have kind of fallen through the cracks. Those are the guys who did not receive invites. So some of the surprising names there, you may have some more that you were looking at as well along the way. But going into the combine, still lots of questions around what the Cowboys are going to do in day two of the draft because there's nothing to do currently with day two. We'll talk about that in the third segment, but when we come back here on the draft show, we're going to talk about some Twitter on the 20. We'll answer some of your questions around the NFL Draft when we return with more of the Draft show right after this.

[Vach Lombardi]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

This is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft show. Back here on the draft show presented by Miller Lite, where we just learned that Tommy doesn't know who Freddie Mercury is.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's really correct. That's inadequate.

[Vach Lombardi]

Who did you say he was the lead singer of?

[Tommy Yarish]

I knew.

[Vach Lombardi]

Who did you say?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We were trying to quiz you and you proved to us I'm not a.

[Bobby Belt]

I can't even imagine Freddie Mercury's aesthetic doing Metallica work. Like.

[Vach Lombardi]

Like. Yeah, it's about. It's about as far away as you could have gotten.

[Tommy Yarish]

And. And I will take that on the chin. I don't. I don't know much of this stuff. I do know I knew who he was. I didn't know what band he performed. But then I remembered the Queen concert where there was like 500, 000. I think it was in England where there's like.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, it was called Live Aid. It was very famous. It was very famous.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One of the more iconic performances of all time.

[Vach Lombardi]

The aesthetic is That's a good point because that's like being like, you know who. You know who Chapel Roan is? He's like k. Lead singer.

[Bobby Belt]

Phil Collins. You know Phil Collins?

[Tommy Yarish]

No idea.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What?

[Bobby Belt]

Damn, dog.

[Tommy Yarish]

Are we talking about draft or are we going to grill me on?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dude, this is.

[Bobby Belt]

You don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Feel this is concerning.

[Vach Lombardi]

You didn't watch Tarzan.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's our fire, by the way.

[Vach Lombardi]

Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's tough.

[Vach Lombardi]

Great stuff.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Vach Lombardi]

Oh, brother, this guy stinks, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Soundervice.

[Bobby Belt]

But, you know, throw that thing in a circle, though. But you don't know Phil Collins.

[Tommy Yarish]

Thank you, Chris. Appreciate it, man.

[Bobby Belt]

No, no, no, Tommy, look at me. You know, throw that thing in a circle. But you don't know Phil Collins.

[Tommy Yarish]

I need a Miller Light right about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you do.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's just ignoring.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We also need some Twitter on the 20. Appreciate you, man. The. The. The YouTube comments are getting into it currently. All right, Brady saying which player you pray will stay available until the fourth round assuming Dallas does not pick on day two. So realistic options going into day three that you hope are available if Dallas stays out of the day two conversation, which is a conversation in its own right, is does it change how you draft at 12 or 20? What do you need to do going into the fourth? Is there anything there that sticks out to you, Tommy?

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, I think a lot of it would have to depend on what they do with 12 and 20. And if they don't pick up anything on day two, just a couple guys that I would be. I would hope can trickle their. Chandler Rivers, the corner from Duke. I think he could be excellent in the nickel spot. That's a spot that the Cowboys have been very open about. Like, hey, we did. We maybe underestimated a little bit how valuable Jordan Lewis was. And I know we talked about him. I think on Tuesday, too. Chandler Rivers is one. I'm a guy who loves Kieran Crawford, the outside linebacker from Auburn. It was. He's one of those guys where you watch Keldrick Falk film and you kind of glance over and you're like, who's number 24?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

And he was a guy who was just super athlete. 6:3-251-is what he measured in at. At the Senior Bowl. I Thought he had some good reps there. So those are two guys for, for me that I would, you know, kind of hope that teams aren't as high on and can maybe get to those fourth, fifth rounds.

[Vach Lombardi]

See, I'm hoping, and I have no idea because like I said, we'll get to Indy, we'll have a better idea of, like, the vibe on some of these guys because we hit this regularly every year. There's like two or three guys that were like, oh, that might be like a first or second round player. And then you find out, like, that's first or second round talent with whatever questions that the league has about them, and so they become a third or fourth round player. Um, so, I mean, I'm. I'm interested to see because I know there's some questions around league circles about what exactly you do with Keonte Scott. Like, that's the thing, is that he's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Safety, he's older out of Miami.

[Vach Lombardi]

He feels like he's kind of positionless in terms of just a tweener. Like. Like, is there enough that he does as a, you know, safety or corner or size limitations or different things like that? Like, is there enough that it actually adds up to. All right, you're a natural fit right here. And so it's the whole jack of all trades, master of none. Like, you can do a lot of different things, but can you do anything that. That checks a box for this position? I would hope similarly to, like, years ago with Desmond King, where Desmond King, everybody was like, that's a first round type of player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

And he goes in the fourth because it's like, well, he's kind of small and like, I don't know, he's not that fast. We don't know if we should play him at corner safety. And I would hope that Scott maybe, maybe could get the fourth, and that may be completely impossible. I just. I don't know what the league thinks yet on up front, but Scott is the one guy that I would look at and go like, maybe you can find him as just such a anomaly that they let him slide.

[Bobby Belt]

I got some pass rushes that I got threes on. They're not complete guys, but I would hope that they're around. Derek Moore from Michigan, I like him a lot. Zion Young probably go earlier from Missouri. I think teams probably like him a little bit more. Josh Joseph's pass rusher from Tennessee, I like him. They're not complete guys, so they could fall, but I don't think that they will. But team suck a draft. You Never know. Let me ask y' all this about a player that everybody. I asked. We just kind of been all over the place about what y' all think about Jake Goldie, linebacker from.

[Vach Lombardi]

He'll go before then.

[Bobby Belt]

Before then. Yep. Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. No, no, he's. He's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is that a hope thing or.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, that's a. That's a. I mean, yeah, you'd be hoping, I think.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think Jake Goldie from Cincinnati, he's gonna go probably second round.

[Bobby Belt]

I've heard some people have fours on them. Brian Broad's got a four on them. Drew Fabiana's got a three on him. Vashon Lombardi got a two on him. So if you all over the place like that, boy, I really hope teams would really suck at drafting and have him, like, fall the way out of there. And that'll just be, like, a hope.

[Vach Lombardi]

For me, but it probably won't happen to me. The guy he kind of reminds me of just from like, a athletic profile size, various stuff like that, is Drew Sanders. Yeah, for sure. And. And Sanders was a guy who some people were talking about, like, could he be a one or two? He went early third.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

And it's not the same player. It's not like you're just saying, okay, there we go. That's. If. If he struggled at the NFL level, like, like Drew Sanders says at this point, then goal, they would, too. But that's. That's kind of who he reminds me of. So, I mean, you could have a similar sort of projection potentially where he gets maybe the third. I think day three would be stretching it a little bit, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And where did you say you had him?

[Bobby Belt]

Vice got a two on. He. Like a one, two, seven for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

Like a late second for me.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting.

[Bobby Belt]

But team suck at draft, so you never know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you never know. Kind of along the same lines of what we talked about last week, but with a different spin on it. King Cobb wants to know who are your. I'd be sick picks if it happened at 12, but you'd feel differently and feel better about it if it happened at 20. Are there any guys that kind of split the difference that significantly?

[Bobby Belt]

Hell, yeah. I got two names off the rip because I seen them in mock drafts. Colton Hood, cornerback, Tennessee.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Don't like it at 12, but you'd be cool at 20.

[Bobby Belt]

Damn. Jeremiah mocked him at 12 and I cussed. But I take him at. At 20, no problem. You know what I'm saying? And who was my other man's. Cassius Howes? Another guy like that. And I like Cassius a lot, you know what I mean?

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, I think I could take Cassius at 12 and be okay.

[Bobby Belt]

I could live with it. Cause I like the player. But damn, dawg, I been daydreamed by Caleb Downs and Sonny Styles for months. You know what I'm saying? But if you get wiped out and you get Cassius, that's fine. But I would much rather have Cassius at 20. It's another one that I'm thinking of.

[Vach Lombardi]

Mezador's that way for me.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Mezador at 12 would be not good. Yeah, there's.

[Tommy Yarish]

I was about to say folk.

[Vach Lombardi]

There's so many guys that you look at, though, who, whenever I'm looking at a certain player, I'm like, would not take him at 12. Don't know if he could get to 20. And it like. Like it's that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But that's kind of.

[Vach Lombardi]

I mean, it's every draft really, like, no matter where you're picking. But there's so many different. So many of these guys that. Because it's not really just a draft full of what feels like studs at the top, where you're like, ooh, one of these studs might really follow us at 12. Then it feels like there's a lot of guys that I feel here that, like, in a normal year I'd want to pick them around 16.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

And so there's just so many players. I'm like somewhere in that range. So I think. I think most of the players, if you don't get somebody to follow you at 12. Most of the players are guys that I might feel a little awkward about at 12, but better about at 20. That's also. I think you should investigate, when we've talked about trade down stuff, why you should investigate. 12 is the trade down pick and not 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not 20.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. If you go to 12 to 18 or something like that and pick up an extra pick, I say this too.

[Bobby Belt]

Jermyn McCoy, like, I'm kind of phony. Like, I love his film, but with the knee issue and all this kind of stuff going on, if I take him at 12, I'm like, yeah, I got a good dude at 12, man, but I don't know about the knee. I'm kind of scared of the knee stuff. But if I take him at 20, I feel like I got a steal at 20 or whatever. So that's just another.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's the first time I've heard anybody talk about that, Bobby. But I agree with you. And if they are Going to trade down a pick, don't trade from 20 to 25 or something like that and pick up less value. Stay in the same realm where you're picking anyways and go from 12 into the late teens. All of a sudden you're picking up a top 100 pick possibly. And you're talking. You're talking about a day two selection and the same crop of players that you're ultimately going to.

[Vach Lombardi]

I feel. I feel more like dropping from 12 to 18, that I'm more likely to be looking at similarly graded players there than I am from dropping to 20 to 26 or something like that. I feel like there's a better chance that, well, now I'm kind of picked over a little bit and so. And then being able to have two picks that close together, 18 to 20, you can kind of maybe game plan a little bit easier about. All right, here's the board. This is what we're looking at. And also, I mean, the way draft charts work, 12 is significantly more valuable than 20. And so the points can add up. Easier to get people to move up there. You get a bigger jump and it's easier to add those picks.

[Tommy Yarish]

And what could be really interesting here, this is just me spitballing, looking at the draft board every year it seems like it happens after the combine. So we'll see who it is this year. I have a feeling of who it's going to be. Somebody falls in love with a quarterback.

[Bobby Belt]

Yep.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think it's going to be Ty Simpson from Alabama this year, where somebody's going to get him up there, somebody's going to fall in love with him.

[Vach Lombardi]

Atlanta, maybe.

[Tommy Yarish]

And you look at the teams that are behind Dallas, you've got the Rams at 13. Could they be thinking for the future for Matthew Stafford? Maybe. You've got Minnesota at 18. Are they already going to bail on J.J. mcCarthy and the jets at 16, who could always. Those are. They could always use a quarterback. So those are three teams that you look at and you say, okay, are they. Do they love a guy like Simpson enough to be willing to jump up in front of LA? Cause LA's 13. They're right behind Dallas. So if they want a quarterback, they don't need to necessarily move. But if teams are calling, trying to move up, is that a scenario where then 12 becomes something pretty valuable and maybe you can get a little bit more than you would just because, you know, a team is trading up for a quarterback. So just a. Just a theory. I still think it's going to be McCoy at 13 for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think that makes a lot of sense because I don't know if Ty Simpson still, if anybody's going to fall in love with them enough to go to the top 10 and pick.

[Tommy Yarish]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And there's a lot of teams in the top 10 that don't need quarterbacks, period.

[Tommy Yarish]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you might start that conversation at 13, and if that's the case, then 12 is the pick to get. If that conversation even begins at 13 like you're talking about. I just pulled up a random mock draft here just to. Just to insert names into the conversation of 12 to 20. These are some of the names that came off the board between 12 and 20. Jordan Tyson, wide receiver, Arizona State. Keldrick Falk, edge out of Auburn, Kenyan Sadiq, the tight end from Oregon, Makai Lemon, wide receiver, usc. Avion Terrell, Corner from Clemson, Peter woods, defensive lineman, Clemson. C.J. allen, linebacker, Georgia. And then this specific mock draft had the Cowboys taking Cassius Howell, edge rusher from Texas A and M. And then Simpson was the first quarterback at 21 outside of that. So those are names in a pool. I would be cool at 20 with any of those names in any scenario. But you've got a chance in this one. They had the Cowboys taking Sonny Styles at 12. And if you're telling me you've got Sonny Stiles at 12 and then Cassius Howell at 20, I think that would be a. That's a slam dunk.

[Vach Lombardi]

That's pretty good. What if I could tell you. Never mind, I'll wait on it. I don't want to burn up all. I'm looking at trade down scenarios now with 12 that I'm trying to see if they make sense, but I think there's one that makes clear sense.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is an interesting conversation from Big J said with reports saying Trinidad Chambliss is being denied his other year of eligibility, which. That's an ongoing legal battle.

[Vach Lombardi]

Year eight, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, something like that. The back and forth between like his legal representation, Ole Miss legal representation, and then the NCAA and some of the other governing bodies. If he has to declare for the draft, which he technically has not yet, correct?

[Tommy Yarish]

M. He's still fighting the lawsuit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's still trying to fight the lawsuit and that's why he didn't get a combine invite. How does that affect the draft if he does declare? Speaking to your conversation about quarterbacks and somebody falling in love with a guy like Trinidad Chambliss compared to some of the other QBs in the class, well.

[Tommy Yarish]

What'S going to be tough About Chambliss is if he, if teams aren't able to see him until 30 visits, if he does declare you. What I would think is if a team is like, do we have enough on this guy? Like, do we know enough on him? Have we had enough tape that we can bank on? Because he's only played one year at the SEC level, if I'm not mistaken.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, you're right.

[Tommy Yarish]

First year. So is that something that we'd be willing to spend such a high luxury, high capital pick on in Chambliss's case? I don't know if his stock gets any higher than it is right now. I don't know why he didn't just declare for the draft.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, nil was the thing.

[Tommy Yarish]

Sure, Nil is the thing, but with the College Football Playoff run that he had, I mean, I think he moved up people's boards pretty significantly. Is it Round one type move? I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't think so. I wouldn't put a first round grade on him, but I, I think that he has moved up enough to where he can make himself some significant money and probably find a spot in the NFL maybe on day two. So it's, it's an interesting case and it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Vach Lombardi]

He was, it's funny, as you're bringing this up, I was looking at Twitter and there is a literal clip from like 20 minutes ago. I don't think it was this morning. But, but they've got a video of Joe Judge testifying on why Trinidad Chambliss should get another year to this. And the judge is like, he's going through his, like, analysis of why and the judge is telling Joe Judge, like, you got to slow down. I can't understand, like, what you're talking about here. And so they're like actively trying to figure this whole thing out. And he said that he absolutely deserves the extra year. Chambliss is. He's interesting because obviously the limited experience, the way he played down the stretch and, and the way that his whole career split. It's Ferris State for several years. He gets to Ole Miss, he performs the way that he does. He's an older prospect. There's so many things to, to wonder about with him that it's a risk because if you don't get it, if you don't get that extra year of eligibility and this is dragging on and you can't be eligible till a certain point point, it's that's, that's tough, I think for NFL teams that would have a bunch of questions about him where it's like why didn't get the chance to answer any of them.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

And maybe it is the case that he looks at and goes, maybe he knows already just from talking around what NFL teams think of him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

And maybe he knows that there's not enough I can do to push myself up here to walk away from the potential money that comes with being the quarterback at Ole Miss in the era of Nil. I can make more money for my, my long term future by staying here and being a $4 million sec nil quarterback or whatever it is than I can taking a risk at the NFL.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where would you have him in the draft? Just based on maybe not complete film study.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, having a complete study yet. But I mean just kind of early on and given the profile and watching a little bit of him. Fourth or fifth, probably fourth. That's where I that's day three sometime.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. I don't think he's a day one guy which if I have in them in the fourth because of the way teams value the quarterback position, he's probably going to go in the second or the third.

[Vach Lombardi]

Just potentially just part of quarterback just depends on the draft part of the position. We've had a few different drafts where yeah, that's quarterbacks, they go on a run. Then there was the Kenny Pickett draft a few years ago where they all just sat there and went cool, fall to the late third. And then we'll take you, Malik Willis, like, I mean you've had a couple drafts that have gone that way. So it just, I think depends on the temperature of the quarterback class.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. All right.

[Tommy Yarish]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks for the Twitter on the 20 questions. Appreciate you as always. When we come back, we're going to do some Tell me more. We're going to talk about our recent film studies, some of the players that have stuck out to us, and give a scouting report on a couple of guys as we wrap up our second episode of the draft show this week. More to come right after this from the star in Frisco.

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[Bobby Belt]

Last couple of days favorite.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Study and break him down for me.

[Bobby Belt]

Tell you what it wasn't. It wasn't. Deontay Lawson, lineback from Bound, Wasn't Freddie.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mercury's lead singer for Metallica?

[Bobby Belt]

Nah, man. No, sir. He was Kenneth Murder Me.

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't like you, man.

[Bobby Belt]

He was definitely Kenneth Murder Me. I tell you what, let's turn this into a thing, okay? This is an archetype that I have a hard time with every single year. The productive run past you wide receivers, you know what I'm saying, to where their big game is. I run past you and I play for Tennessee. So Chris Brazel the second, which is different than Chris Browser Jr. Somehow. I really like his size and the fact that he can run and he tracks the ball really well. He has really good hands, catch radius, all this kind of stuff. But I really have a hard time when I cut on your film and your big thing is I run past you. You know what I'm saying? I like route runners. So if you look at my board, all of my route runners tend to go to the top. Like my route runner yak guys or whatever. But Chris Browser, when you watch him, he's not gonna beat you with a bunch of nuance as a route runner or anything like that. I don't even think they run a whole bunch of routes at Tennessee. In general, he runs slants or goes or out to whatever.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's a problem.

[Bobby Belt]

That's a huge problem in general.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's been the case there.

[Vach Lombardi]

Shoddy Shotty talked about it in June about Joe Milton. He said Joe Milton comes from a scheme that put him behind in college.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Bobby Belt]

And all those guys just kind of run past you. So I see a lot of people that are high on Browser because he's 64 and he can run. I think that's a big thing there. And he does have plays where he's tracking the ball well. He shows good hands and all this. But his biggest selling point is I run slants, goes and hits, and my biggest plays are me running past people. Some people got him in the second, I got him in the fourth. He can play. If he goes to the right scheme and they teach him how to run routes, he'll be fine. But he'll end up like Jalen Hyatt, I think.

[Tommy Yarish]

Please. So I saw a stat on Brazel.

[Bobby Belt]

What'd it say?

[Tommy Yarish]

I think it was. Dane actually wrote it and it was 48 point something percent of his routes to Tennessee were goes or hitches.

[Bobby Belt]

There you go.

[Tommy Yarish]

That terrifies me. Yeah, that terrifies me a lot. And it was the same thing with Hyatt it was the same thing last year with Dante Thornton.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yep.

[Tommy Yarish]

And it seems like it's been the same thing for every incredibly productive receiver that Tennessee has had. So, you know Josh Hyple win games, I guess, the way that you want to across the league, conduct the offense that you want. But.

[Vach Lombardi]

I just wanted to add offensive players from Tennessee the last couple years. Like, it's something I've heard about from scouts across the NFL, that it's a challenge you have to really project a lot.

[Tommy Yarish]

And that's one of those where you.

[Vach Lombardi]

Baylor used to have that happen. Same thing with Art Miles. People didn't know what to do with Corey Coleman. I don't know if he's as good as he looks or not. Right.

[Tommy Yarish]

It's one of those instances where everybody says, don't scout the helmet. And no, you shouldn't, but scout the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Scout the scheme, for sure. You see? But for every Corey Coleman, there was also a Terrence Williams and there was also a. And I know he wasn't the best wide receiver to ever walk the face of the planet, but he was still a productive wide receiver at the next level. Josh Gordon, same kind of thing. As long as he stayed out of trouble. He was one of the more electrifying receivers in football, and he also came from that scheme. So you can't discount the player.

[Vach Lombardi]

But you do have to project in a different way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

1,000% have to. And it is a conversation. So I'm glad you brought that up. Razzle, by the way, West Texas guys from Midland Legacy High School. So sure. What you got, Tommy?

[Tommy Yarish]

I'll throw one out there. I'll do another one that's been in the past couple days, but I'm gonna stretch it back to a guy that I don't feel like I've talked about yet or enough. And this is. This. This takes a lot coming from me, a Texas graduate, AR Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. I love this kid. I wrote undersized, but he's a smart player. Uses strength he usually wouldn't expect from a player his size. Really well. Still struggles at times to anchor. What did I do?

[Bobby Belt]

Nothing.

[Tommy Yarish]

Nothing.

[Bobby Belt]

No, no, no.

[Tommy Yarish]

Struggles at times to anchor against bigger linemen. But as a pass rusher, he's quick off the line. He can use his speed to be the opponent, close on the quarterback in a hurry. He closes really well. One thing that folks near the program rave about, his ability as a closer late in games, being able to finish games, step up in those big. Hit those big sacks when you need them. I think he's got a high ceiling if he can hang around some of these bigger players. But I think he's a guy where in the right. Thank you. The guy in the right scheme where if you move him out, like if there's an odd front out there and you know, if Dallas maybe under Christian Parker decides to move to an odd front, if he's an outside guy, the wider that you can get him, the better he's going to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think you can stand him up?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be okay.

[Bobby Belt]

One thing I like about our base Thomas a bunch, man, is he played against a lot of good competition. Man, I hate watching a whole bun you just beating up on. On people. That's not going to be good in the league. But he got some good film versus Proctor from Bama and Goosby from Texas. That's coming out next year. So. Shouts out to our mates times. I'm a big fan. I got him in the second round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I've got him early second and.

[Bobby Belt]

I wouldn't hate if the Cowboys took him at 20.

[Tommy Yarish]

I wouldn't either.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He would be right around that. I haven't stacked the board yet, but I bet you he's probably going to be 22, 23. So if you take him at 20, he's right there.

[Tommy Yarish]

He's 21 for me.

[Vach Lombardi]

Right.

[Tommy Yarish]

There you go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good stuff, Bobby.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, no, I finally got around to watching Kyle Lewis this week from corner for a bit and man, I really. I really like him. So he's going to be difficult because he's just the size question with him. He's going to be projected. He could be probably linebacker or safety like a running chase will or just a safety. Coverage skills are really nice with him. He is a really fluid athlete. I really like the way that he plays in coverage. The biggest problem with him is he tries to run around blocks. Like in the run game. He just. He's not getting off of contact. It's one of those classic. You get your hands on him and he's finished. Like that's. That's. That's it. But I think that he's really impressive. He honestly reminded me a little bit of Shaq Thompson, like watching him on the way that Shaq Thompson used to look when he was coming out of college. So I think Kyle Loose could be a really good versatile piece. I think again, he's a run and Chase will probably at the next level. You got to keep him clean. You can't have him getting on blocks too frequently. But that to me is a really versatile player who not for lack of trying, but some lack of size, has some issues in the run game that hopefully you get him in an NFL strength program, you can get him there. But I got him in the second.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting.

[Bobby Belt]

Recently I'd watched LT Overton and I wasn't a big fan of him. So I moved on Alabama from Alabama, the edge from Alabama. I didn't call him a pass rush. He's an edge, he's a defensive end. And then some people was like, yo Vox, you wrong about LT Overton. So there's, you know, a couple days ago I went back and I watched LT Overton. I think he's a little worse than I thought he was at first. You know, just, I'm not good with these guys that don't have plans or they don't really have tools or they got arm length and don't know how to use them or they, they don't really put together counters well. They run down the middle of people, they get lost in the run game type stuff. I think he can stack and shed really well. So I think he's like, he gotta be in a certain scheme, he's gotta be in an odd front like 5 tech type guy, 4 eye type guy where he's just kinda stacking guys up, reading the run and getting off the field on third down. And then I went back and watched senior bowl stuff and I just, man, come on man, I want you to dominate these small school dudes at the senior bowl. And he kinda really did into me as well. So I rewatched LT Overton and I wasn't a big fan at somebody I did like that I watched was Sam Hecht, the center from Kansas State. I liked him a whole bunch. I'm not a big fan of smaller linemen in general, these 300 pound, late 290 guys, but he's 300 and he kind of anchors pretty well, so I can deal with that. And he's a center so he's going to get a bunch of help anyway. But I think if he goes to a team that's like outside zoning type stuff where he gets to pull and reach and climb the second level guys, if you don't ask him to try to thump people off the line, scrimmage by himself, even though I think he can anchor going backwards, I don't think he can thump moving forward. But as long as he can reach and be athletic, I think he's, he's going to be, you know, pretty, pretty good. I got him in the third round.

[Tommy Yarish]

Throw another one at you. Mike Washington Jr. From Arkansas. The running back. Yep. You and I have been talking about this for a couple weeks. Yeah. And at the Senior bowl and then going back and watching this film. I don't think the Senior bowl class of running backs was there. Wasn't like a guy above the top, in my opinion at least. But I thought Mike Washington was probably closest to it. Six foot, 228, he's faster than you'd think for that. I think he moves really well, gets to his top notch pretty early in his carries, finishes through the end of plays. And what stuck out to me was his best college production came in the SEC after he played at Buffalo in New Mexico State. Before that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Three years in Buffalo, one year in New Mexico State, and then he explodes and has a breakout season in the SEC.

[Tommy Yarish]

He was tied for the best in the SEC with 6.4 yards per carry. That all sounds well and good. He had 10 fumbles.

[Bobby Belt]

Yep.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's the big problem.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's a problem.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's the big problem. But if you can fix that, I think you got a solid player. And Washington Jr. From Arkansas, I agree with you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think the way that he. He's a physical running back with a plan. You talk about these edge rushers with the plan. You can tell he has a plan with his vision and his patience. Behind the line of scrimmage. He runs behind his pads, quick accelerator, north to south, north to south. He's not really an east to west guy. He's not a lateral mover. He has a one cut ability. And then that's it. That's one of the knocks that I had on him. But he's one of those guys that's willing to take on contact. He's willing to pass block, willing to run defenders over. And you, you talk about the, the ball, security. I think it's as simple as just a mental mindset. He's so worried about what next is in front of him that he's not worried about the ball. He's got to worry about the ball a little bit. There was one run against Texas that he had broke to the outside, went all the way down the right or the left sideline after a cutback. And he had the ball in his right hand the whole time inside the field of play. And you're almost asking him, like, just switch hands, switch the ball, flip sides, get to the, get to the ball to the outside, toward the sideline. And he never ended up doing that. Got pushed out of bounds. Nothing happened on that Play specifically, I think it was the first play from scrimmage in the game against Texas. But you got to find a way to switch hands when you get there. And if there's 10 fumbles, then there's something going on there. From a ball security standpoint, I have them in the fourth, but I wouldn't be surprised if I would see him go day to late, day two. I just can't put anybody who had 10 fumbles on a.

[Vach Lombardi]

On a.

[Bobby Belt]

Crazy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, it's a lot of fumbles over the course of a career. So, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna push him to the fourth, but I think he's a really good running back.

[Tommy Yarish]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What you got?

[Vach Lombardi]

Let's get it out. Get out of the way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you gonna talk about?

[Vach Lombardi]

Because I know I'm gonna. I've just been waiting on this because I know I'm gonna have to fight over it, and I'm going to have to be accused of being a homer the whole time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

But I always have. I feel like one quarterback in the class that I'm, like, way higher on than everybody else.

[Tommy Yarish]

Don't do it.

[Vach Lombardi]

You know what I'm going to do.

[Tommy Yarish]

Don't say it.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Vach Lombardi]

All right. Garrett N. Is. No, no, no. This is that Marcus hat that mar. Not the one I'm wearing right now, but I'm wearing the Marcus hat all the time.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

I.

[Vach Lombardi]

Who you think I was going to go with?

[Tommy Yarish]

Javier?

[Vach Lombardi]

No. God, stop that.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's what I was worried about.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, stop it. Where do you have the cam. Scaboo of quarterbacks?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you have? Where is he at? Hey, he still.

[Bobby Belt]

That is a great.

[Vach Lombardi]

Where is he at?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Where's he at on your board?

[Vach Lombardi]

Undrafted Burger King. I don't know where, like, serving fries. Like, whatever he's gonna be doing. I don't know what it is. It's not going to be football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's not it.

[Vach Lombardi]

Nope. That's not what he's going to be doing. No. I think Garrett Nussmeier is just so. And look, Beam with the video up there, he is in desperate need of the right context for some of his struggles.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Absolutely.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think what you're talking about in terms of just natural ability to throw the football and rip it and watching him work through his reads and some of the touch and placement that he showed on tape at lsu, I think that he has a real chance to be the. That quarterback that goes a little bit later than, you know, third, fourth round, whatever it would be.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

But ends up Having a really nice career or becomes the guy that pops as a Pro bowl type player down the line, where it's like, man, we kind of missed on this one a little bit. He is undersized. But if you want to just talk about the most natural looking quarterback to me, the guy who, when I stand there and I watch him read a defense and I watch him throw the football, sometimes he doesn't make the best decisions in the world. He'll get a little cocky, he'll get a little overconfident. But, man, I think that there are some really special NFL throws on his tape and some of the athleticism you see right there, like him, you know, being able to move a little bit with this legs. Obviously the son of Doug Nussmeier, somebody who, who understands the quarterback position and has understood it for a long time, reminds me a ton of Romo. Watching him throw the football. It looks a ton to me like Romo. So I, I think Nussmeier, I'm way higher on everybody else. And I went back, I was watching him again some more, and I was like, man, there's, there's context here of just how rough things were at LSU as well in the end and things that went down with Brian Kelly, and I don't know that Brian Kelly was a great fit for him. I agree that I'm a big believer in Nuss and I think a bigger believer than what his NFL selection area will be.

[Tommy Yarish]

I would agree with that. I think that there's a lot left there. I don't think he's played his best football yet. What really concerns me is some of the decisions that he made. I know you touched on it, but there were some, some very poor, just like kind of, you know, what are you doing? What are you thinking here? Kind of throws that he had this past year on top tape, that. That's the biggest concern for me is I'm fine if my quarterback gets a little cocky and says to himself, you know, I can make any throw on the field, I'm good with that. If I get interceptions from that, I can live with it. But if there are some, like, just blatantly obvious situations where it's like, you cannot throw this football.

[Vach Lombardi]

And there are some on the tape.

[Tommy Yarish]

There are a lot of those on the tape. That, that's what concerns me. But in terms of, you know, just throwing ability and, you know, the, the moxie of a quarterback, absolutely, he fits. I mean, going back to his high school days, you think about the saying with him was if you Want to win, letting us spin. And I think that there can still be some of that, but I think there's a lot of work to do and it's going to be really important for him to find the right staff to be able to develop him and get the most out of that.

[Vach Lombardi]

High second.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You said high second. So would he be QB2 on your list? QB3?

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, probably two.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have him at three right now.

[Vach Lombardi]

Right now it's Mendoza, then Nussmeier.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have Mendoza, Simpson, and then Nussmeier because I'm really high on him as well. And it's the same thing that you guys are all talking about. He had 17 interceptions in two years, which is a high rate of interceptions. But when you look at the tape, it's not for a lack of deciphering, it's not for a lack of, of reading coverages. It's just plain confidence and overconfidence. What it ends up being, if we.

[Vach Lombardi]

Just tallied up over their tape, Mendoza, Simpson, Nussmeier. If we just tallied up the number of throws you see on tape and you go, holy cow, yeah, Nuss Meyers probably right there over them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

To me, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In command of the offense is what I wrote. Great understanding of the playbook, how to read coverages. Quick release. I love the release. He gets it out of his hand really quickly. Solid arm, talent, velocity on his passes. He's a tough runner. He's durable enough despite maybe a lack of size. He's just six foot one. So that's going to be a concern for some teams. Other teams it probably wouldn't be. It's not a concern for me yet. 7,700 passing yards and 52 touchdowns over two years as a starter. Tough. 52 touchdowns. So even with the high interception rate of 17 over two years, he still had 52 tutties to go along with it.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's a tough kid.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes. And I think that's the type of guy you want leading your franchise, leading your football team. I couldn't agree more. I think he is one of the guys that people are overlooking a little bit, but he should go. I have him in the early third. I have a high third round pick on him, but there's a gap between him and Simpson. Simpson's a second round, late second round guy and that's, that's the only difference I have.

[Vach Lombardi]

If I start hearing. Because we'll hear about stuff that happens during the interview process and different things like that. If there's some additional context that comes out that Makes me feel even better about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Would you put him in the first?

[Vach Lombardi]

I might.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow. I like him. I really do. I think he'd be a great player for anybody.

[Tommy Yarish]

I want to go back to this. This film that we're looking at here. Did anybody else just see 6, 6, 330 pound Kayla banks drop back into coverage there?

[Vach Lombardi]

6, 6, 6, 7 lined up at.

[Tommy Yarish]

The one tech spot. And he just drops back into the middle.

[Bobby Belt]

Well, that's the problem. He don't know how to play D line.

[Tommy Yarish]

Oh, you don't like him.

[Bobby Belt]

He don't know how to play. He don't know how to play his position. Some people are like supernaturally gifted and have no clue what they're doing. I think Banks is a firm example of I'm big as hell and I can stand and rush and all this kind of stuff, but. But my pad level is weird, my hands are weird, and I can't read runs.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think that's the thing. It just. It confused Arch that much watching guys like Caleb Banks dropping the coverage. That's why they struggled so much with.

[Bobby Belt]

What school is that?

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't need to remind.

[Bobby Belt]

Oh, that.

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't need to remind.

[Bobby Belt]

I thought that was Banks at some other school, but that was just some more nuts.

[Vach Lombardi]

Look, now we got some Banks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, this Banks tape.

[Bobby Belt]

Currently. Here's some Banks. Okay. I was looking down here.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm sure I was looking at the chat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're looking at the old YouTube.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm looking at the.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, yeah, I always read the chat.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I'm with you on Banks in the sense that off size and strength alone, he's. He's really good, but he's going to need some molding for sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's going to have to grow into it a little bit.

[Bobby Belt]

What round do you have time?

[Tommy Yarish]

He can't grow much more off size and strength alone. I've got him in the. In the second. I've him late, so. Second.

[Bobby Belt]

Hey, man, I'll let y' all overdraft him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's all good where you have.

[Bobby Belt]

I'm not drafting in the trees.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In the trees.

[Vach Lombardi]

In the trees with Pavia.

[Bobby Belt]

I don't watch quarterbacks like y'. All. I'm. I'm probably gonna get through all the quarterbacks like in April 20th at the end of April. I'll. Right before draft 101 is when I'll watch all the quarterbacks. I. I ain't got time.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I forgot about draft 101. That'll be fun. All right, that does it for us here on the draft show. Hope you had fun this week over the two episodes. We'll be back on Tuesday to continue breaking it down. Now less than 10 weeks away from the NFL draft for Vach Lombardi, Bobby Bell, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. See you on Tuesday with more of the draft show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Bobby Belt]

How about this?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cowboys.

[Bobby Belt]

Sa.