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Kyle Yeoman, Zach Wolch, Brian Broad Bell, Nick Harris and Tommy Yarish. And just like that, we are back again.
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It is time for the Day of the scouts. It's day three of the 2025 NFL Draft on 105. 3 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com the Dallas Cowboys have a little bit of waiting time at the moment. Reports are that there could be some interest to try and move back up into the fourth round. What will it take to get there? We'll talk about that and a whole lot more over this next hour leading into the first pick of the fourth round starting at about 11am Central Time as the big voice man said alongside Zach Wolchuk, Brian Broadus of 153 the Fan, Tommy Yarish of Dallas Cowboys.com I'm Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam in the back, Peyton back in the 153the fan studios holding it down as well. Shortly we're going to get to talk to some of the individuals throughout the Cowboys scouting department scout Cowboys coaching staff. This has quickly become, Brian, one of my favorite hours of radio.
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No, this is, this is super cool, the fact that you get to kind of pick the brains of those who were involved in the process, which I think is really, really neat. You know, we've, we've, there's so much that goes into the drafting of these players. There's, there's, there's discussions about, hey, we like this guy a little better. No, we need to think about moving back here. You know, there's so much that goes into it and, and to have the characters who are part of the act here is super cool. To kind of get that little bit of that, more of that insight and.
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It appears we will have Clayton Adams as the first name right off the top. I know he's got some meetings to go to, so that's not an official total until he walks through the door. Just like Nick harris of Dallas Cowboys.com just walked through the door. What's going on?
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Nick?
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How are you?
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What's going on?
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Got an opportunity and we will have an opportunity to talk to Clayton Adams and A couple of those scouts as well. Well, as we go along. What are you thinking here, Brian?
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I'm just looking at something. I think that maybe we're gonna have to go with a little headset action.
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Yeah, I was trying to.
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Trying to make sure that Nick got everything kind of lined up before he. There he goes now. I think he's with us.
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Let's go. Let's go. How we doing?
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Y' all got me now. You're back on. So now that we've got it all taken care of, this is what you're gonna expect on day three. A little calamity, a little chaos.
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Oh, yeah.
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The NFL draft is gonna.
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D
Well, it's already presented, that NFL draft and depending on. Man. And what's a little bit unfortunate, though, is what's happened with the whole Shador Sanders thing.
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B
Yeah.
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And it's kind of. It's this big, you know, depending on. It's like this dark cloud.
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We.
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You know, we've had rain in Green Bay, where the draft has been located, but there's just this. A lot of. A lot of dark cloud. And I really. I think it's unfortunate for the draft itself that a lot of these kids, the biggest moments of their lives, but everything seems to be talking about what the issue is with the Colorado quarterback. I think that's unfortunate.
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B
Where do you think the issue lies there with Sanders? And I know the national media has had their conversations about it. I know we've had our conversations about it. But at this point, like you said yesterday, it may be a personal thing.
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D
Yeah.
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It may be a vendetta by the league. It may be just as simple as teams don't want to deal with the media circus.
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D
Right.
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That would come with a pick like that.
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D
Yeah. And the one thing that Bill Parcells and I said it a couple of different times on platforms and yesterday in the draft is the Hollywood quarterback. And do you want to deal with the Hollywood quarterback? And we're in a different era of sport. We're in a different era, especially with the. With the college athletics and the nil and, you know, we're in a. We're trying to navigate a lot of different things and kind of figure things out. And, you know, there's. There's certain things that you have to be able to do and coaches coming in the building. So. I'll hold my thought. I'll hold my thought right there. And let. Let Kyle welcome in him into the program.
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Yeah. Our first guest here on day three of the 2025 NFL Draft, we have the Brand new offensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, Clayton Adams joining us now. And Clayton comes from an offensive line background. He was the offensive line coach with the Arizona Cardinals. So, Clayton, I have to start with Tyler Booker, first round pick. I mean, what are your thoughts overall to have a guy like that in your building?
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I mean, obviously extremely excited about this unique combination of character, talent, work ethic. You know, that's what really, I think you're trying to hunt in the first round is somebody that, you know can play, that can play at a really high level, and they're going to achieve that ceiling because of the tools that they have.
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It's really incredible to see the, the type of influence you've already had on the building. And we'll talk more about that as we go along. And the offensive line seems to be a huge priority going into this offseason for this coaching staff, for the scouting department and the front office. What have kind of been those meetings behind the scenes putting together what this offensive line is going to look like in 25?
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Well, I mean, I think it's as high a priority as everything else is, is you want to build really deep rooms with good and tough players. And one of the things that I've been so impressed with with the draft process here is you, you know, they. When there's things that happen and you kind of let it fall the way that it's falling when the best player is there, that's going to make our team the best. We're going to get the thing that we think is the sure thing more than just like, you know what, we really need this position. Let's reach a little bit. You know, there doesn't seem to be a lot of reaching in that draft room and certainly no panic in that draft room. So it's been, it's been pretty impressive to watch.
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Where do you think that philosophy stems from?
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I think probably it just being such a collaborative process up there. You know, Mr. Jones, he really wants to listen to everybody's opinion and take them in. And at the end of the day, he's going to make a decision. You know, he and Steven are going to make a decision on it. But Will McLay and the guys that work over in the personnel department, they turn over every single stone and they really value the input of the coaches as well. And so, you know, like, again, one of the probably most impressive things about the entire process is just they understand that everything should be valuable as a piece of the puzzle, not the entire thing. And so you evaluate things as they come up, and then when we're on the clock, there's options for a lot of different things, but it's okay. Who's the guy that's going to make our team the best? Not necessarily just going to be a band aid to cover, you know, a hole in the thing.
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So something that I think is fascinating about your new staff coming into this draft process is that you not only had to catch up with the guys in the draft, but also catch up on the team once you got hired. Can you just talk about these last couple of months and how busy they have been?
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Yeah, I mean, year one, I. Everywhere is a little bit busy, but certainly it's been a whirlwind for me just trying to really come into a system where the terminology isn't really going to change, which is the right thing to do. Right. You want to protect the terminology for the players. Certainly when you have a quarterback like Dak Prescott coming back is, why would we make him learn a whole bunch of new terminology when that can be my job to learn that? So that's one piece of it. Trying to blend. Where do we find nuance and things that we want to do a little bit differently than what we've done in the past? And then, you know, just Shotty and I getting on the exact same page, which he's really been amazing and probably as good a situation as I could have walked into in terms of somebody who's, you know, this is a new role for me. And so being that the head coach is the person that was in my shoes just last year, you know, he's able to give me a lot of guidance and keep me ahead on things, so I'm not getting hit from the side on, like. Didn't think about that. He's. He's been great of just being ahead two weeks ahead most of the time. Like, hey, this is coming up.
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You guys haven't been. You guys haven't been shy about the.
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Fact that you want to run the football. When you look at the interior now.
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With Tyler Smith, Tyler Booker and Cooper.
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Beebe, what do you like about the.
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Combination of those three guys and what.
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They'Re going to be able to do for you in their own game?
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Yeah. Big, strong, fast, tough, smart. You know, there's a lot of different words that you could use on the interior. There's. We got a long way to go, and we got to get a lot better in regards to, you know, running the football. You know, I think that first and foremost, you do whatever you have to do to win. The game. And so I don't think that you go into a game and say, like, well, we're just going to run it 70 times and we're going to see, you know, what the score ends up being. You know, you got to do whatever you can to win the football game. But creating explosives in the run game is a recipe for creating explosives in the pass game. And you're hopefully the hope is that by being able to move the line of scrimmage, you're able to protect differently than just having to drop back all the time. Because I know one thing is it's a heck of a lot easier to block these D linemen when they don't know it's a pass. So that's one of the things. And the other part of it, and I truly believe this, is that when somebody can impose their will on you in the run game, it's a disease for the entire team, and it affects everybody in a negative way. And conversely, it affects your team in a positive way. It's like, all right, we're going to go out on this drive and it's.
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Going to be bang, bang, bang, and.
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Then, boom, over the top. Or, you know, maybe you did that on the last drive and you come out with a play action that hits a deep crosser or something like that. I just think it's. It's a recipe for disaster if you can't run it and they can run it on you.
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Cowboys OC Clayton Adams. With us here, one of the things we were pumped about is the variance in which you run the football. And coming from Arizona, teams didn't know what the heck you were going to do to them. Is it pin and pull? Is it outside zone? Is it inside zone? What's kind of the vision you have for this rush, rushing attack, and how does Tyler Booker help that?
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Well, I think, you know, again, first and foremost is you got to do what the guys do. Well.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, when I was in Indy in 2021 and we ran the ball well that year, it was mostly outside zone. We went into our first year in Arizona saying, okay, we're going to force the issue here and be an outside zone team. And that wasn't really what fit our players and our. And James, our tailback, the best. And so we had to pivot and figure out, you know, what. What do we do? Well, okay, well, our center is a really good puller. Let's figure out a way to do more of these things. So I think that you go into the situation here saying, all right, what fits our play action game the best and can our players do it, and if they're struggling with it, can we improve or do we need to pivot? And I think that that's, you know, the recipe for, for any organization or team or anything that you're trying to have collective success is you have to figure out what does the pieces that you have, what do they do best, and then put them in those situations consistently. Coach, this is a really, really deep running back draft. I know you've worked through these names and stuff like that. What's the ideal back for your type of situation? Maybe not a name, but what's the running style of an ideal back that you would like to have in your scheme? I think at the end of the day, you know, you want contact. Balance is, is generally ends up being the number one thing that people look at is can this guy get on edges of defenders and keep his feet? And then the other thing that everybody's looking for is when you get a guy into the secondary, can he finish? And that's much more difficult to do in the NFL than it is in college football. But you see it, you know, there's guys that they do get themselves into the secondary, and whether it's because they win with speed or it's because they win just by being really difficult to break down, to get on the ground, guys have different ways of doing it, but you contact balance and having the ability to finish.
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Stephen was talking yesterday about players taking that jump. One, certainly the first round pick, Tyler Guyton from last year. What are some of the things that stand out to you about Tyler and that you can use for him to kind of fit what you're talking about? Things that he does well, or maybe some things that you want to see him improve?
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I'd say a lot of that right now is tbd. Okay. Because what I would hate to do is, you know, watch last year's tape and say, well, this is exactly who this player is and define it exactly that way. I don't want to do that to him. I want to get out on the grass and really work through some of the pluses and minuses of who he is as a player. So I think what you see is the same thing that I saw when we evaluated him last year in the draft is this guy has the tools to be special. And so right now we're working through.
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It in the meeting room of trying.
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To figure out exactly like, okay, who are we? What are the fundamentals of what we're going to do as an offense. And then when we get out on the grass, we sort the rest of those things out.
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Yeah.
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With what Shady is trying to build, we've certainly learned over the course of the last couple of months that it's culture first. Culture, culture, culture. Is it unique to the experience that you've had not only around the league, but in college football, to the type of culture first environment that Shoddy is trying to build?
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I wouldn't say that saying it is unique. I think that there's a lot of places that say it. What's unique is being able to stick with it and having, you know, the consistent day by day philosophy of how we do something is much more important than what we do. And he's been really great that way. There's a lot of teams that say it. Not everybody does it.
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I gotta ask, you have three Tylers on the offensive line. You got nicknames or anything? You're gonna have to figure that one out.
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I mean, I'm sure there probably are.
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Nicknames, but at the end of the.
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Day when I really want to is I want like a big old board in there. That's the Tyler Power rankings. So by day it's. You know what tg, he slipped the number three today. You're not. You're number. Your leader in the clubhouse.
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There we go.
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There we go.
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That's another way to compete.
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Yeah, no doubt about it. Offensive coordinator Clayton Adams joining us here on the draft show. Coach, welcome to Dallas. First off, we're excited to see what you do with this Cowboys offense. Congrats on the first round pick and have a day three at it as well.
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All right, thank you, guys.
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Thank you, coach. There we go. Clayton Adams joining us here in studio. New offensive coordinator.
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Awesome.
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To talk with him. We could talk with him for the next hour if he was. If he was available. But we've got multiple names rotating into this studio. How about this next one? Look at this. Taking a seat now we've got Ross.
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Oh, wait, what was that?
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Clayton.
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This is the real.
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The real champion.
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Something like that.
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The best beard in the business.
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This is Ross Winch. Is that how you say your last name? I don't know if I've ever say it when she.
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Don't worry, it's been mispronounced everywhere.
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Well, we're going to get it right, Ross. When she first.
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He's a word professional though. He should know about.
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I should know it by now. But I do know you've got some style, sir. How about this suit? This is incredible.
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And thank you till you're fresh.
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Yeah.
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Day three is the real. The day where you can show the drip, right?
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Yep. Yeah. I mean, you kind of have to, you know, just bring the juice in.
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The morning, you know, I mean, for a scout, day three is really when you get in your bag overall, so it's. Yeah, you got to show up in your bag too, right?
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Yeah. We kind of take, take pride in today. It's kind of the scout day, so we're going to, we're going to get after it. We're going to find some players.
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Now, is it exciting or is it stressful going into day three knowing you have seven picks on the board, but you have to wait as long as you do getting into round number five.
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Yeah. I mean, sitting there and watching 73 players or whatever go off is going to suck, but we're prepared for it. We've done, I mean, we. Plenty of strategy meetings. We've got, you know, situational stuff. If this happens, this happens. We're pretty prepared for it. And then when we finally get on the clock, we're going to find a player and we're just going to keep swinging. So, Ross, you kind of alluded to.
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It, but this is the day where.
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Will and your staff has had a lot of success. As you've kind of watched over the.
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Years, you go through this process. Why do you think that is?
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What is it that you guys do.
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Maybe different from other teams or in your philosophy that makes you so successful?
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Day three. Yeah, we do a good job and obviously Brian knows a little bit about this, but like, we, we're a one draft class team, so from July to May, we focus on one class. We don't prepare for next year's class. We just, we, we take that pressure and, you know, it's a lot of weight on our shoulders, but we focus on one class. Will tasks us with doing a lot and in the end it makes us better scouts. So we know the players when it's time to pick them up. So I think that's part of it is we just, we, whenever we go to training camp until today, we're working on one singular draft class and we just, we, we pour over it and stick to it.
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C
So I think there's a lot of honor to be had in sticking to the board, especially when, you know there is pressing needs at other spots. That philosophy, where does that stem from? And then the players you came away with yesterday, you got to be thrilled with those two, right?
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Yeah, yeah. No, yesterday was awesome.
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We feel really good about those two.
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I mean, Donovan's him with Mike. That'll be fun. Obviously, Sam Neyland, like just the. Can never have enough rushers. That's kind of, that's that and corners, which we ended up taking him to Siobhan to. So yeah, just adding those guys and then it was, it was no doubt like stick to the board. We felt really good about the names we had up there. Obviously we had some trade calls that we, that we weighed. We felt good about those two.
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But when it was time to, it's.
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Like, why, why pass up players we love that we think can help us?
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So we just, we took them knowing.
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That today we'd have to sit out 70 something picks, but we valued the players that highly enough that we're like, let's just, let's just do it.
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How much does Steve Schimko help in the evaluation of Ezraku?
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Jimmy? He came in there and it was kind of funny. We had offensive play, offensive coach selling a defensive player.
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He had to block him every day, right?
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The opposite. They're crying about, you know, I need this guy. But he was. No, he was awesome. I mean, he's got hands on experience. Donovan, he sold him, obviously coached against him in practice. He's going to make our guys better and then on Sundays he's going to help us win games because he can rush the pastor.
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E
So, Ross, you've been rising up the ranks here, man. I mean, you were finding Duron Bland when you were an area scout, now moving up to the National. How is this draft different for you maybe from going from the area scout to the national scout and then for people that don't even know, like, what is the difference there for a scout? Could you maybe inform and let us know some insights on that?
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like I've probably evaluated pretty good amount of the kids on our board, which is that, that's different from being an area guy. You know, like I'm tasked with, thankfully tasked with doing a lot more focusing on the meat of the guys we're interested in. And then so for me, I get to, you know, compare them. It's not just Duron, it's Duron and Ravel if they're in the same class, you know, so I can stack those guys. I got a good feel for them. I like this guy more than this guy. That's really the main difference is just, you know, getting eyes on players and helping when it's time to like, you know, make a selection. Hey, you know, I like this guy a little Bit more than this guy. This is why.
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So what makes that kid from East Carolina special?
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Well, his story number one. I mean, that's where Shotty. I give him a lot of credit.
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We're going to build something special here.
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From a culture aspect, and all three guys we've taken so far help with that. But his story is incredible. And then when he came in here, he's just. You could feel his presence. And then obviously the player, man, he's height, weight, speed, but he's physical. He loves to mix it up. We got some stuff to clean up, but we think the upside's through the roof. He's got all press traits. We can play him in the boundary. He's going to be. It's going to be fun.
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D
It seemed like that when you were. You talked about taking the players and following your board. It's just like we were all sitting here. It's like, well, they've got to take a runner here. They got, you know, we're going on and on and on. Everybody's doing it. You're kind of like saying, you know what? We don't care about our needs right now. We're just going to go draft football players. And it seems like the board really fell to you that way. Yes, some discussions here and there, but it just seems like you guys are drafting your board and it's not bothering you one bit if you need a runner or receiver or anything like that?
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No, not at all. I mean, obviously we got some holes which we're going to fill today. We're going to try to, but, I mean, we keep operating the way we are. I don't think we're going to miss. I mean, it's like that's. That's part of it. And Mr. Jones and Steven obviously trust us with our evaluation process and showed us Shotty. And when we see a blinking light, hey, you guys like them? There's a reason we like them. Let's go get them. And we think we found three starters yesterday.
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E
So one thing we were talking about was it seemed like more and more guys weren't wanting to work out whether it was like, ah, I'm going to skip the pro day, or I'm only going to go do this and that at the combine. And does that make the evaluation harder or is it just. We're just going to rock with what we saw on tape.
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It's, it's. It definitely throws a wrench in it, but there's obviously gives and takes with a lot of it. And that's just. We Got to trust what we have, the information that we have. And then I think it goes back to us being a 1:1 draft class team is that, hey, we saw this kid in August. Like we're talking to CV yesterday about Revel. Like, he, when he left East Carolina in August, he knew there was a guy, so we just stick with that. And then, you know, he had the injury and all that. The tape is a tape. And then we got our eyes on him. We felt good about him when he was healthy and then just roll with it.
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C
So I'd be curious, with this transfer portal era, there's so many guys who see the elevation and competition throughout their career. Do you kind of hunt those guys down in the sense that, hey, they've already experienced that jumping competition. So we know that maybe the transition could be a little bit easier to the NFL. I guess Ravel would be a good example going from JUCO to the aac. But is that something that you mark as a positive with some guys? Negative? How do you guys look at that?
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Yeah, I mean, that's something we have to weigh in. Each situation is different, you know, like, why is the kid transfer And Duron was another example. Yeah, yeah. And that's kind of before all the craziness that is now. But like DB obviously played at sack and we, we liked him at sack and then he transferred up. But yeah, it's, it's something to monitor. Just like, what's the reason behind the transfer? And then talking when we finally get to talk to the kids, feel them out, like, what's, you know, what's up? He's like, well, you know, I'm a Mac guy. I wanted to go play SEC football, that kind of stuff like, or, you know, I felt my situation wasn't great. So there's, there's gives and takes with a lot of it, and then we just balance that with the character we have on the kids and just get a good feel for it.
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B
National scout Ross Winchy joining us here on the draft show. Ross, thank you so much. Good luck today. It is the day of the scouts. We'll talk to you again down the line and hopefully after you get some more good football players today.
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Sounds good. Yeah, we will. We'll. We'll find some players today too. So there he goes.
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The best dressed in the room today, by the way. No doubt about it. Ross, when she joining us. All right, we have to step aside. It's the 2023 NFL Draft Day 3 on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com Thanks, Ross. Appreciate you, man. All right, Back on the dot com side of things, two interviews down. Two great stuff.
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Yeah.
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B
Interviews as well. I mean, Clayton was fantastic. Ross, of course, fantastic as always.
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C
Dressed incredibly.
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I mean, I feel bad for our radio view.
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It's like he's going to the cattleman's ball.
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His beard, it's just. It's unreal. I mean, anytime they would post a picture of, okay, here's your cowboys contingent, it's like, okay, is Ross there? Boom. Look for the beard. You know, he's there.
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Stands out big time. You can see the bow in the war room.
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Are you kidding? Oh, yeah.
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I mean, last year, I think it was Lunda Wells that got best dressed with the cowboy hat and everything, but, man, it's gonna be tough to beat.
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We haven't seen Lunda yet. There's still some contenders.
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D
True.
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B
Anything stick out out of these first two interviews?
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C
I think Clayton talking about just running the football, and it was something we expected, but being physical at the point of attack. And he did say something that kind of has me thinking about either where they go today or in the trade market is like, okay, hey, you know, if we have a good run game, then it affects everybody around it creates a disease for the opposing defense.
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B
Right.
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C
And here's vouch coming in with the donuts.
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A
Donuts. Appreciate you. Appreciate you.
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D
How they smell good, too. Yeah.
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A
Coach Adams said.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That we're not gonna let players do stuff that they're not good at.
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B
Boom.
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A
So if y' all worried about booker and movement. Oh, we're gonna be pulling Booker 100 times a game. Chill out. They gonna make them wood people.
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B
There you go.
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C
All right.
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E
He's gonna whoop people, baby.
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B
I thought that was a big takeaway from. Absolutely.
- [24:43]
A
Also, too, with this nil culture. Right. I think they really want to build leadership in this thing. I think they really worried about the college diva, man. I don't think they want college divas in there. I think they're really focusing on these dudes stories, and they really want to get the best possible guys up in here. What the hell?
- [24:58]
C
Give me one more take. Give me one more take.
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E
Give me one more circle of mics.
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D
Make sure my mic, everybody.
- [25:05]
A
Microphone use so a balance, a runner with contact balance. Okay, so I'm ready to throw out all of our smaller, frail type running backs. I'm thinking about a Damian Martinez, maybe like a big thumpy dude. Ali Gordon, maybe a guy like. I think they want to pair the physicality with the scheme. The physicality of the Run the physicality of the running back. We got a new scout. Y' all be cool. Oh, y' all be cool.
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B
Coach Connor Riley coming in.
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E
Oh, Coach.
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B
Taking a seat, sir. That is you right there. Offensive line coach of the Dallas Cowboys, Connor Riley.
- [25:37]
E
How we doing, Coach? How we doing?
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A
Great, man.
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B
Good to see you, coach. Great seeing you guys as well. This is a fun day for all of us because we get to see a lot of good football players hear their names called, but the first one the Cowboys called happened to be an offensive lineman. Your thoughts on Tyler Booker and revamping the interior like you did on day one?
- [25:54]
D
Yeah.
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B
Not only a phenomenal player, and I kind of told him there again yesterday. What impresses me so much is the type of man that he is and.
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A
The demeanor that he goes about his.
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B
Business, his businesslike mentality. And I think that everybody in this.
- [26:12]
A
Building and all Cowboy fans are beginning to get an understanding of what we've.
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B
Seen with Tyler throughout this process.
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A
The film speaks for itself. It really does.
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B
You're looking at a guy who's extremely smart, extremely physical. He's got a ton of athletic tools, and I think his ceiling is extremely high.
- [26:32]
C
I'm curious what the process has been for you guys getting hired. What was it, late February, and having to catch up not only on this draft class, but also on the team you had already. What does this process look like for you for the last couple months, if you could walk us through?
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B
Yeah, it's been very unique for me, obviously, coming from the college game and.
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A
In understanding the differences of getting into.
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B
The NFL and the involvement of our evaluation piece in. In this draft process while still getting.
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A
To know our team.
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B
And what it really comes down to.
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A
Is the direction and leadership of Shotty.
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B
The Jones family, the scouting department. It's just been phenomenal. It's.
- [27:10]
A
It's been a little bit of a grind.
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B
There's no doubt about it in catching.
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A
Up on those things, but every single.
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B
Day has just been phenomenal, you know, and.
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A
And it's a little bit different every.
- [27:21]
B
Day, you know, and there's great people in that office.
- [27:24]
E
There's.
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A
There's great people in this building.
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B
That's the biggest thing that I noticed.
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A
That has helped make this transition so smooth.
- [27:31]
B
So it's been fantastic. So we're going to come back on the radio side of things. We were on the Internet. I'm going to reintroduce you, and then Brian's going to ask the next. Okay. It's kind of a wonky thing here on Not a Problem, guys, we're in.
- [27:42]
C
Like two places at once, like Interstellar.
- [27:46]
B
Back here. Day three of the 2025 NFL Draft on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com as we continue to rol through some interviews leading into the start of the fourth round. Here at the Star in Frisco, we have offensive line coach Connor Riley in his first year with the Dallas Cowboys, coming from the college ranks and securing a first round offensive lineman in Tyler Booker. Brian.
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D
Coach, I was going to ask you, you've got some young guys, but some veteran guys and they're on their third offensive line coach now, is that a different transition? Is it difficult for them? Is it difficult for you? Maybe having to work through some, maybe some habits they were taught and now how does that, how do you navigate all that?
- [28:27]
B
Yeah, I think that's a great question and I've actually addressed it with the guys up front. There are some guys who've had multiple offensive line coaches within the previous few years.
- [28:37]
A
And whether they've been within the organization or they're coming from the college level.
- [28:42]
B
Because there is some youth on that offensive line, they're hearing a different voice.
- [28:46]
A
In the front of the room.
- [28:47]
B
And you know what, what I've continued to tell them is, yeah, there's going to be some adjustments, whether it be technique, whether it be some of the language, and we having a lot of.
- [28:57]
A
Carryover within that language. But they've all been extremely receptive to all those changes that coach Adams and.
- [29:06]
B
Myself and the entire offensive staff and obviously Shady have brought to it. So really excited to get to working with these guys here in the next few weeks.
- [29:14]
E
When it comes to the guard play, how important is the athleticism versus, okay, I see a guy that's clearly got the power and I can work through that with the technique.
- [29:24]
B
Yeah, I think that you really, at.
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A
The end of the day, you want.
- [29:27]
B
A combination of both and you're looking at. We do need athletes, we do need guys who can bend, we do need guys who can transition on blocks, but then also guys who are holding up.
- [29:38]
A
Against the interior defensive lines within the National Football League right now.
- [29:41]
B
It's, it's changed.
- [29:42]
A
You know, the, the dudes you, you.
- [29:45]
B
Kind of always thought, 10, 15 years ago we're out on the edge and now you got some of these war daddies inside and you're going, man, you need a physical, athletic, smart guy to play those positions.
- [29:54]
E
Coach, I gotta ask you about Cooper Beebe. The fellows in here know he's one of my favorite players that we've ever been able to watch during the draft show how awesome was it to now get to get back and work with him? And was there ever for a second a conversation of like, maybe I kick him back over to guard after a year playing center?
- [30:11]
B
Yeah, well, you know, kind of talking about Coop and going back to, you know, my first interaction with Coop, you know, he was recruited as a defensive lineman to Kansas State.
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A
And it's always a funny joke between.
- [30:23]
B
Me and Tom Beebe. You know, he had committed as an offensive line or, excuse me, a defensive lineman. And then I showed up on the.
- [30:29]
A
Home visit and Tom's like.
- [30:32]
B
And he got that phone call. And I remember the conversation with Biebs. I said, you're going to be able to play a lot of football on Saturday afternoons playing defensive line, but you're going to have an opportunity to play.
- [30:41]
A
On Sundays if you move to the offensive line.
- [30:43]
B
And here we are. So he jokes with me all the time.
- [30:47]
A
He goes, you've been telling me for four years that eventually I'm going to be playing center. So I know that there's some flex.
- [30:52]
B
With Coop, but that has not really been a conversation. It's about he's going into a second.
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A
Year at this position.
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B
And I'm really excited for him to see what kind of growth he has.
- [31:01]
C
How did you see that from. From Cooper, whenever he arrived on campus, like, hey, let's flip him on this side.
- [31:06]
B
Yeah. Well, are you talking about from.
- [31:09]
E
From defense offense.
- [31:10]
B
Oh, defense offense.
- [31:11]
C
During the recruiting process?
- [31:12]
B
Well, during the recruiting process.
- [31:13]
E
And.
- [31:14]
B
And I was actually kind of looking at our current personnel and what we had signed that class.
- [31:18]
C
And I said, boy, we need to.
- [31:19]
B
Find a dominant offensive lineman. And when I first began looking at Cooper Beebe, I was the offensive line coach at North Dakota State. And he was very much on our radar, praying and hoping like, okay, hey, maybe somebody won't take this six, two and a half, six three guy. And certainly he got a couple Power 5 offers that took it off. So we had already actually done a little bit of that, that back work. And I joked when we took that job, I said, I'm. I'm going to be stealing them from you to the D line coach. And certainly enough we did, and it worked out well.
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A
If I'm not mistaken, you played against.
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B
Tyler Booker, either his freshman or sophomore.
- [31:55]
A
Year in that bowl game. Did he stand out to you back then? And where has he grown since?
- [32:00]
B
You know, for me, as an offensive coach in some of the defensive weapons.
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A
I'm not going to lie to you.
- [32:06]
B
Those were kind of at the forefront.
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A
Of what my concerns were.
- [32:10]
B
That morning in New Orleans, Alabama had.
- [32:13]
C
A couple of them.
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A
They had, they had one or two.
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D
Of them of them.
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B
And, and I remember kind of seeing him walk across the field and I.
- [32:19]
A
Was like, okay, is that Will Anderson? And then, you know, as they got a little bit closer, I was like, no, that's the mic. And then come to realize, no, that.
- [32:25]
E
Was their boundary safety.
- [32:27]
B
So one thing I did notice though is as I was out there and.
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A
You know, you kind of saw and.
- [32:33]
B
Tyler talked about it, his, his run.
- [32:35]
A
Around the field of, I'm going to own this field.
- [32:38]
B
And I remember a couple of those dudes walking by or jogging by, going home.
- [32:43]
A
Man, these, these are some big, physical.
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E
Athletic looking dudes here.
- [32:47]
B
How much does it fire you up when you hear Tyler say, you know, the things like, hey, I want to take guys and make them lose their love for football? It's. It's amazing. You know, we, we had done quite a bit of homework with Tyler and, you know, I had an interview with.
- [33:02]
A
Him and I was just blown away.
- [33:05]
B
And it was my first interview and.
- [33:07]
A
I'm like, gosh dang, is everybody going.
- [33:08]
B
To be this good? Yeah. And so when you're hearing him say.
- [33:13]
A
Those things and then ultimately they translate.
- [33:16]
B
On film because it's one thing, anybody can sit here with a voice box.
- [33:19]
A
And talk about it, but then when it translates and you see it in the way that he plays, that's, to me, what fires me up, is that.
- [33:27]
B
Yeah, he's gonna put it out there.
- [33:29]
A
But then he's gonna go out and deliver your perspective.
- [33:31]
C
And Junior Adams perspective, even Schimco to a certain extent, is pretty unique in the sense that you guys coached against a lot of these guys, coached with some of these guys. How much have you been used during the processes? Be like, hey, you played against this guy that one time in week seven, do you remember anything?
- [33:45]
B
Yeah, we've, you know, we as guys who've transitioned from the college, you know, and I think it's, it's a testament.
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A
To the people within this building that.
- [33:54]
B
They'Re saying, no, let's, let's value the.
- [33:56]
A
Opinions, let's value the people within this building.
- [33:58]
B
So, yeah, a lot of the conversations.
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A
You know, as we've gone through some.
- [34:02]
B
Offensive linemen, it's been, yeah, I remember recruiting him and, and he told me.
- [34:05]
A
No so he could go to school X, Y or Z.
- [34:09]
B
But yeah, it has been and I really appreciate it. The insight that we can potentially give into some of These guys, having played against them, having had recruited them, you know, been in their homes and, you know, from. From our scouting department to the coaching staff asking us those things is.
- [34:28]
A
Is really cool.
- [34:29]
E
I've always wondered about the position flex. That's something we talked about with offensive line. Like, you got Tyler guidance played left and right. Tyler Smith has left tackle, guard. We just talked about Cooper BB and the versatility there. Is that sometimes like a negative in a way. Is it better to just, hey, focus one spot? Yeah, yeah. Instead of, we're. We're moving a guy around.
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C
Yeah.
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A
You know, it's.
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B
It's kind of goes to that thought of like, hey, do I want him to be a jack of all as opposed to a master of one?
- [34:55]
D
Yeah.
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B
But when you look at the roster size within the National Football League, you look at the duration of the season, you know, what you have to look at is what kind of value they ultimately bring to that football team.
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A
And when you have position flex, yes.
- [35:09]
B
You do want to focus on and.
- [35:11]
A
Give them opportunity to reach their ceiling.
- [35:13]
B
At a particular position. But at the end of the day, too, it's.
- [35:16]
A
It's.
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E
And.
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B
And I appreciated what Tyler talked about yesterday.
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A
About getting uncomfortable.
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D
Yeah. Yeah.
- [35:21]
B
Well, one way of getting uncomfortable is.
- [35:22]
A
Having to play multitudes of positions, maybe.
- [35:24]
B
Getting out of that comfort zone. And then does that prepare you on a Sunday afternoon for when, hey, you.
- [35:31]
A
Know there's going to be some uncomfortable situations and how are you going to respond?
- [35:35]
B
How are you going to handle it? So I do think that there is a balance of finding what kind of.
- [35:40]
A
Value bring to the team, but how.
- [35:42]
B
Do we maximize your ultimate potential? You have one more question, Brian.
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D
Good, thank you.
- [35:47]
B
All right, so, coach, thank you so much for taking some time. One of the things I loved about Tyler's comments was he talked about the traditional, and you were one of the. The real forefront possibilities to continue that tradition on the offensive line here with.
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C
Can I get one more quick one real quick. I asked Clayton Adams, what's going to be the nicknames for the Tylers? Because you can't call them all Tyler. What are you doing?
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B
Yeah, well, we got. We got T, Sis. We got T Book.
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D
Okay.
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A
And we got T. Steel.
- [36:11]
B
So, you know, that's.
- [36:12]
C
That's.
- [36:13]
B
Yeah, it's.
- [36:14]
A
It's an interesting thing.
- [36:15]
B
I can go back to a quick story, and I know we're running out of time. I was at North Dakota State, and at one point I had had three guys in the offensive line room named Zach Johnson. All three of them have first and same last name. So, you know, we went to, you know, Jabba.
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A
He was Jabba the Hut.
- [36:30]
B
Then we had, then we had Zege and then we had little Zach who, you know is. Is six. Six, you know, £320. So we're going to find our way with, with those, with those three guys.
- [36:40]
D
You did a great job with those kids up there at North Coast. Well, I appreciate that you, you guys live down here ounces.
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A
Yeah.
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D
But he did a great job.
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B
Well, I can tell you this.
- [36:50]
A
It's changed a little bit down here in my. Five times down here.
- [36:54]
B
It really has. I joke. I said the, the building that we're in. The first time I was here, I.
- [36:58]
E
Remember in a bus.
- [37:00]
D
Yeah.
- [37:00]
B
Driving by and there's a big wooden sign.
- [37:02]
A
The future home of the Dallas Cowboys. And for me to be sitting here with you guys being here. There's the man.
- [37:08]
B
I'm pinching myself. And now you're actually paying taxes here. Yeah.
- [37:12]
A
Yes.
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D
You guys did a tremendous job.
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B
I appreciate that.
- [37:14]
D
Really.
- [37:14]
B
Thanks guys for the man.
- [37:15]
E
Coach. Thank you.
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A
Really appreciate you. Thank you so much.
- [37:17]
B
Thank you for the rest of the, the draft and the rest of the off season as well.
- [37:21]
A
I really appreciate it.
- [37:21]
B
Thanks, fellas. All right, more of the 2025 NFL Draft on 153theFAN and Dallas Cowboys.com next.
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A
This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names.
- [37:30]
C
Now let's get into the serious stuff.
- [37:32]
A
We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French onion dip.
- [37:39]
D
That is serious.
- [37:40]
A
Gotta try these delicious new dips from Daisy. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices and other in ingredients you'll find in your kitchen. Also made with some Daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a long standing staple for taco Tuesday.
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E
You know what I do when I.
- [38:01]
B
Get my street burrito?
- [38:02]
A
I get the squirt Daisy.
- [38:04]
D
Yeah.
- [38:04]
B
And every bite. I know you.
- [38:06]
D
I know you.
- [38:07]
A
I'm a huge sour cream guy. I love sour cream. So I think burritos can't live without sour cream.
- [38:14]
D
I completely agree with that.
- [38:15]
A
That they also have daisy ranch dip.
- [38:17]
D
I love ranch dip.
- [38:18]
A
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B
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A
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B
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- [38:57]
A
Thank you, coach.
- [38:58]
C
Thank you, thank you.
- [38:59]
B
All right, back here on the dot com side of things, love talking with Clayton Adams. We we talked with Ross Winchy, we've talked with Connor Riley now. And now we welcome in the northeast area scout from the Dallas Cowboys. We'll throw on these headphones here.
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E
This is Bo.
- [39:15]
B
Tell me how to say your last name.
- [39:17]
C
It's taller.
- [39:17]
B
Talifer. Okay, so I thought that's a common misconception among the spelling, right?
- [39:23]
C
Correct. Yeah.
- [39:24]
B
Okay, so how many times have you heard that one? Butchered.
- [39:26]
A
You know what, I don't even fight it anymore.
- [39:27]
C
I just, I just say it how it looks. So there's no like weird stares, right?
- [39:32]
D
Oh yeah.
- [39:32]
B
I feel you. I'm right there with you. I've got a silent you in my names. Oh, okay. So I'm right there with you. So Bo, first off, congrats on a great first three picks. I mean we've talked extensively about sticking to your board and picking the best players available. It feels like those best players have been available for you guys these last three days.
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A
Yeah, 100% like zero reaching at all.
- [39:53]
C
We didn't go in with this thing with a narrow mind. It was very open minded. Stack it the way it's supposed to be stacked. When your time's up to pick, you just pick the best player available. That's what we've been able to do. So it's been awesome to see. We actually had really good players fall to us. So when it, when it falls like that, it's a good feeling.
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A
So.
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B
And a couple of those guys were under your tutelage as well. I mean what has been your process like looking at guys like Booker and Ravel and Ezraku as they work their way through the ranks.
- [40:19]
A
So I didn't actually as a raku, right?
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C
Yeah. I didn't do Booker. I got to meet him on his visit here. He's a great kid. Super fired up when you see the guy just like rocked up.
- [40:27]
A
Oh lineman like that have like as little as body fat as he does.
- [40:30]
C
As imposing as he does like oh my God, like this guy's going to be unbelievable.
- [40:34]
B
What about Ezraku? What stood out to him?
- [40:36]
C
Yeah, so I do cover Boston College. I think you know the first thing that stood out when you go in in August is when they talk about the person who he is, just the character just A tone setter, an alpha.
- [40:46]
A
Guy, like tough, physical, loves ball, works to get better every day.
- [40:51]
C
You know, they had a new staff there, so it was interesting to see like previous staff versus new staff and like, like both staffs were just like completely in unison.
- [40:59]
A
Like this guy is unbelievable. So you're fired up just to watch.
- [41:02]
C
The tape and you got to wait, wait, wait till the tape finally comes in.
- [41:05]
A
Then when it comes in, you're like, oh my gosh.
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C
Like, look at this guy.
- [41:07]
E
It's the guy.
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A
Yeah, no doubt.
- [41:09]
E
When it comes. You mentioned new staffs. There's a new staff here with the Cowboys. Now obviously shot you had familiarity with, but what goes into the turnover there and now you've got to marry maybe some new philosophies, some new players that, that maybe coaches want versus the older.
- [41:24]
C
Yeah, it's a big part of it. We actually met at the combine. We did the across the hall meetings.
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A
And they kind of laid out a blueprint for exactly what they're looking for.
- [41:30]
C
Every single position had, you know, five or six main things.
- [41:33]
A
We got to have these things for.
- [41:34]
C
This position, this specific position.
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A
So it was very clear what they were looking for.
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C
It helps us as scouts when we're going in school. There's no gray area whatsoever. I know exactly when I see a guy. Like, they're gonna love this guy. The part of the homework that I think is fascinating when it comes to you guys job is looking through the person, right. And especially with the. What Schadenheimer's trying to instill here. Now, Tyler Booker, not one of your guys, but he's from the northeast, went to Bergen Catholic, which I'm sure is a school you've gotten pretty familiar with. I know you said you didn't do any work on Booker, but is there sometimes a guy comes out of your area, but there's familiarity within your area that you pitch in on. How does that, how does that work, if any? So born and raised in Arkansas. I'm not too familiar with like the high schools and there I've heard of Bergen Catholic. Obviously it's a very famous high school.
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A
So I'm not too familiar with. With in that respect.
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C
I got you. And then it's a Raku's case yesterday, just sticking to the board and taking the best player available whenever it got to the end of the process. And you're going through the final grades with coaching staff, front office. How did you guys fall on a guy as a rock who being so high. Well, number one, it's a prime position.
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A
Right Pass rusher you can have, you.
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C
Can never have enough of them. Right.
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A
So like when you get this guy.
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C
That a, he's productive, you see the.
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A
Number of sacks that he had. He's a great character guy. And then you look at like the.
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C
Physical traits, the bend, like just the.
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Loose hips, the ability to finish an edge and get to the quarterback.
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C
And then you look at 34 plus inch arms, like this guy just like keeps layering, layering, layering like what we're looking for.
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A
So then when he was on the.
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C
Clock it was like this is a no brainer. Right. And he was the highest graded player on our board when we took him.
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D
So yeah, Bo, when you're talking about, you know, I'm curious always about the process of getting to and, and leading up to the actual draft itself, the amount of work that went into like maybe are guys not going to be there? Did you guys work through all those scenarios say on a. Because Jerry and Steve were talking about, hey, our board's not done. I just kind of had a feeling that maybe you guys were working through some scenarios of hey, what if this happens? You know, talk about that a little bit of when maybe a guy that we think, hey, that guy might be there, but he's not. But we have to pivot here.
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C
Yeah, our draft leadership does more of that. So it's more so ownership and Will and Chris and Mitch and Ross and Klein.
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A
Those guys.
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D
Sure.
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C
They basically kind of bring us in with just like an opinion on something like if there's any, if they need any clarification on something.
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D
Sure.
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B
So that, that you just heard the 10 seconds in the year. We're going to go back on the radio, I'm going to reintroduce you and then we're going to continue the interview.
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D
We're making your life difficult right now is what we're doing.
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C
Easy.
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B
Right around 20 minutes away from the start of day three, round four of the NFL Draft, the 2025 NFL Draft on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com currently talking with Northeast area scout Bo Tolliver. And we've, we've heard already about the, the combination between Donovan, Ezra and really what he stood out. Where do you see, let's ask your opinion on this one.
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1.
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B
Where do you see him fitting in with this edge rusher class immediately? Do you feel like he has an opportunity to make an impact on that defensive front?
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C
I think our coaches will figure all that out in terms of who's going to play when they're going to play but this guy will. They'll find a role for him. I mean, you can't. Like I said, you can't find enough pass rushers. And this guy's going to legitimately threaten quarterbacks consistently. So I'm excited to see where that fit is, and we'll. We'll kind of figure that out as training camp and minicamps go on.
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E
But potentially awful question, but have you noticed a difference at all in scouting in this nil era, like, with the players? I mean, obviously we got the transfer portal. Has that made it any. Any more challenging? Are the players any different to deal with now with the money that they're getting?
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C
It is challenging. The biggest thing is when.
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A
When you write a guy, you evaluate.
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C
A guy, you do all this work, and then come December, like, oh, you know, he's going to transfer out of school. So, yeah, it's like, you don't lose that work. Like, we take all that information, right? And then whoever, whatever area he goes to will take that and build upon his character. But it is kind of frustrating, especially.
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A
Like, if you really like a guy. Like, man, I think this guy's good.
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C
Be really a really good fit. And all of a sudden he takes, you know, some money to go to other schools. So it's really just like communication and communicating. Like, hey, this guy's probably not for us. Just a heads up, like, he's coming to your area. And then same with them. Like, guys in other areas are calling.
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A
Me, like, hey, just heads up.
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C
This guy's transferring to your school. Here's some things you need to know about him that way. When we go in, in August, we.
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A
Kind of have a little bit of a blueprint.
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D
But when you, you know, we talked about this, seemed like a year where a lot of misinformation, not misinformation, missing information on players, workouts. Zach, we were talking about this earlier. You go to a pro day, you show up, you know, you're doing your job, you're responsible for getting tens or the three cone, whatever your responsibility is that day. Is it frustrating for you for traveling long distances and not getting complete workouts on some of these kids? I mean, I know you're not blaming the kids, but first, a guy that's getting in a car and maybe driving all night to get to a pro day the next day, and you show up and it's not happening the way that you would like it to. Is that part of it been very kind of. Of frustrating? Or are you getting. Is it something now that you have to just Deal with.
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A
I still get frustrated with it.
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D
I don't blame you.
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C
There's two. There's a lot of scouts now. They're going, well, that's just the way it is now. Right. I'm kind of still stuck in my old habits. Like, I want to see it. Right.
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D
Yeah.
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C
I want to feel this guy. I want to see exactly what he can do. I want to be able to quantify what I see on tape, what he does at a pro day. So I do get a little frustrated and disappointed when you see a guy, like, maybe turn something down. And a lot of times it's not his fault.
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D
No, it's not.
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C
He's representative.
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A
Right.
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B
Sure.
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C
You don't always blame. Blame the kid.
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D
Yeah.
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C
But at some point, you got to look at the kid and say, like, hey, don't you want to do this? Yeah. So, yeah.
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D
Do you feel like those scouts, sometimes you. You try and push the kid and you're. And guys are nice about it. I'm not saying you just try and bully the kid and beat him up like some of the old scouts in my day would, but, you know, maybe you're trying to. But then when they don't do it, you're just like, okay, that. That's fine. You can do it. But, you know, and you have to report back to your bosses. That's got to be tough because they're. They're not blaming you, but they're kind of wondering what the hell's going on out there.
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C
Right, Right. And you take it for what it's worth, like, if he says no, that's it.
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A
Right.
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D
Okay. You just let it go.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, there's some. You've seen some instances where some. Some scouts maybe, like, try to encourage.
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D
A guy, and that's the old scouts. Try and bully him a little bit.
- [47:33]
C
Encourage. Trust me. Encourage.
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D
Encourage. Okay. I'll say bullying because I come from the area of bullying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
It's. It can be a little frustrating, but.
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A
You know, it is what it is.
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C
At the end of the day, like, if that happens, you just got to go back. Back to the tape.
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D
Sure.
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C
For instance, like, if I see a tape and, like, this guy's not very fast.
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D
Yeah.
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C
And then he doesn't run a 40.
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D
Right.
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C
There's a correlation there. Right. So you just have to go, well, whatever. I don't need him to run. I know he can't run.
- [47:56]
D
I just gave you a thousand dollars. Yes. I gave you $1,000 and told you to go buy a stock. But I'm not going to let you know anything about the company. Makes your job a lot difficult, doesn't it, though?
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A
Sure, yeah.
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D
I mean, you're trying to. You're trying to. You don't want to make a $5 million mistake in that room or a $10 million mistake.
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C
100%. But again, like, just go back to the film. Plus the film.
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D
Yeah.
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B
Bill, how involved, from your perspective, has Brian Schottenheimer been in picking your guys's brain in terms of some of these prospects? And when, you know, when you guys are on the clock, how have you seen him kind of step to the.
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A
Forefront and either stand on the table for a guy or just kind of navigate the room.
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B
In his first time as a head.
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Coach, it's been, like, unbelievable. Incredible. Like, the amount, the respect that he.
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C
Has shown us to hear our voice and to not only hear it, but like. Like, actually take it in and use.
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A
It as part of this process. It's been unbelievable. I've been on a lot of different.
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C
Coaching staffs, and I've been super fired.
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A
Up with the way that we've been.
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C
With these new guys. Just, like I said, like, the open dialogue, the communication couple conflicts that, like, I see it this way. I see it this way.
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A
Well, and then, you know the head.
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C
Coach, well, why do you see it like this? Why do you see it like this? Let's all come together. Let's put all our opinions in one thing here, and let's all be cohesive with. So when we do come to. To pick them, there's 100% conviction.
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A
So.
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C
And like, that's not a knock on other places, but I just think we've.
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A
Taken it to another level here. Do you feel like they're. They're more comfortable with welcoming in that.
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B
Conflict and having those kinds of discussions so that you can make that confident.
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A
Step towards the player?
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C
I actually think he embraces that and wants it like he wants. You don't want someone to hold something in. You want it all out on the table.
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A
Right.
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C
When you're making, like you said, a very expensive decision, very expensive, you want all the facts out. So, like, let's not hold this in, guys. Let's talk about it, and if somebody disagrees with it, let's. Let's talk about why you disagree about it. But at the end of the day, it's going to be our guy. It's going to be our pick, and we all got to agree on it.
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B
Northeast Area scout Boast Bo Toliver joining us here. Bo, congratulations on a great first Two days. Good luck on the day of the scouts here in day three. Lots of work left to do.
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C
I'm going to ask you about Siobhan Revel.
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B
Oh, my gosh. I didn't even think about it.
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E
Yeah, talking about Revel. Please, Bo, real quick.
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C
Yeah. Fast, athletic, a ball player. This guy's a stick of dynamite.
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A
I am super fired up to get him.
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C
And you talk about another guy that's.
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A
A competitor, loves football, all those things.
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C
So we're really, really fortunate to have.
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B
Him seem excited about it.
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C
The risk factor, not only with the injury, but one year of starting experience in fbs. How did you guys feel comfortable being able to move forward with that? Well, when you see a corner that moves like this and can run like this and impact the ball the way he does, you don't question those things. Yeah, this guy's a rare.
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D
I like what Bo's saying.
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E
Go bleep yourself.
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D
I love what he's saying.
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C
No, no, no, I'm not saying that.
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A
I'm.
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C
I think, like I said, he's a talented.
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A
My man.
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D
My man made it to Greenville. He knows what he's talking about.
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C
I believe him. I believe him. 100. They're trying to pay me as a hater. I'm not a hater.
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B
He had him very high on his board, too.
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A
There you go.
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D
He did.
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B
He did. Bo, thanks so much. We appreciate you taking some time. Good luck today.
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D
Safe travels.
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A
All right, thanks a lot, guys.
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B
Thanks. Bo Tolliver joining us here on our NFL draft coverage. About 10, about 15 minutes away. Usually they're a little behind. About 15 minutes away from the start of round number four of the NFL draft. As we continue on rotating our couple of interviews here, how about quarterback coach Steve Schimko joining us in studio at the moment? Now, this is going to be an interesting start to the interview. I said quarterback coach, as in qb, and we're going to ask you about a defensive end. And there's a big reason for that. You were the. You were a coach. Yeah, we'll throw those headphones on. You were the coach at Boston College and you had to go up against Donovan, Ezra Roccu. You've got quite the connection there. What was it like seeing his name called yesterday?
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It was awesome. I mean, this guy, he's a stud person. Stud player. Happy to happy he's joined the family.
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C
Just as happy as I was back.
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A
In 2020 when we were recruiting him. What a stud family. What a stud kid. Can't wait to watch him just perform out here and, and be Part of the guys. When was the first time back at.
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B
Boston College when you were going up against him that you maybe threw your.
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A
Hat down or your clipboard down when.
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B
He made a play and you're just like, yeah, this guy's pretty good.
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A
So we were recruiting, it was a wild story here. So 2020, obviously Covid recruiting. So I was recruiting all virtual. Jeez. Met the kid, got some pictures from his coach to see his length and stuff, but just started hitting it off with him. And then he graduated early. So he came in for spring his senior year of high school. He came in for spring ball. And at that time I was coaching the tight ends and cutting off the C gap with Donovan even as a 17, 18 year old was not the.
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C
Best job for a tight end.
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A
And so, you know, the best part about him is he is such a competitor. Everything that Shotty preaches, he believes in.
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D
And he will talk his crap and.
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A
Come right to me. You know, we had a really good relationship. He was coming right, right to me. Shimmy where your tight ends at? You know, a couple times I wanted to go block them myself.
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C
What were some of the conversations in the war room last night when they brought you in to get your opinion and how, how was that back and forth?
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A
They just asked me really the guy which everyone already knew, he was a stud human. And then a lot like you guys just asked me.
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C
Tough to block. Yeah.
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A
You know Ozzy Tripillo are acknowledging good player. Yeah, he just went to I think the Bears.
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D
Yeah.
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A
And shoot, he played some left and right for us. My time there and he had his hands full. I mean it was just, it was.
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C
It was not fair. That guy can bend and his get off is incredible.
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B
Now there are a couple quarterbacks that are still available, of course, one of them being Shadur Sanders. I'm not going to ask you about the specific of these quarterbacks, but when you guys are looking at day three possibilities. I know you're a coach and you, you have a different thought process than the scouts, but where do you feel like you would lean if you were trying to find another backup quarterback to put behind Dak Prescott?
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A
Just, you know, as far as who, who they're picking and stuff. I just give my opinion on, on kind of what, what I believe their strengths and weaknesses are. They obviously do the rest. Anytime you're looking for a backup or a third string quarterback, you're looking for someone that, that'll fit in the room, can develop into a better player, has a bigger ceiling and then who can really actually you know, give a little bit to the starting quarterback who can help him prepare for the, for the game, upcoming game or whatever it might be.
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D
So you're looking for a whole package.
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A
But, you know, we'll see Cowboys quarterback.
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E
Coach Steve Schimko with us here. Evaluating quarterbacks is extremely difficult. I think everybody in the NFL has had, I mean, if everyone was good at it, everyone would have a good starter, right? What's your process? Like, where do you start? What are things that maybe they've got to have and if they don't, that's probably not the guy that I'm looking for.
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A
Yeah, I mean, obviously looking for arm talent, athleticism, good quick feet in the pocket, and being able to make all the throws on the field with different arm angles. And you want to see someone that has a quick process, you know, a way to do that. You know, you obviously look at the deep balls. Is he throwing a catchable deep ball, accurate deep ball? Is he making the right decisions on those deep balls? They're not premeditating. You know, a lot of the premeditated deep balls you find are because of lack of arm strength. Right. They're trying to do it before they run out of their, out of their throwing, their throwing lane. As far as the processing, it's more like the red zone stuff and some of the tighter stuff. Two minute game on the line, third down and short playing tight man coverage.
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C
Or a tight match zone, and then.
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A
The red zone when everything shrinks and everything happens a lot faster. Things that we try and focus more on to see if they can do that. And then for the footwork, we just.
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D
Want to see a guy that can.
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A
Have some, you know, move around, he can off platform, he has some speed, he could break some tackles. Doesn't mean he has to run the ball 50 times. We'd like to see a guy that has some nimbleness and some, some getaway, some extend the extended play stuff.
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D
Coach, do you think that's what the footwork has changed over the years? I mean, to me, when I was scouting like in the 90s and into the early 2000s, it seemed like every quarterback coach was telling me, you got to set your feet, got to sit your feet. I'm watching all these kids now play and their feet are all over the place, whether it's dart Sanders and they're throwing and they're making great throws. Is it something that you can kind of. Now this is just different the way these kids play all this shotgun offense. Well, yeah, the shotgun, because no drop back their Feet are all over the place.
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A
That's totally changed everything. I think there just definitely has to be a good balance of what you train between both, both on time, throws, rhythm, throws, you know, a quick hitch or off the back foot. But then you have to have a good amount, if not 50% more or more of the stuff where they are.
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D
Off platform or all off timing so.
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A
That they can catch it up with the ball speed of their arm or different things like that. And being able to escape the pocket and escape these rushers, I mean, the rush has just gotten so good and the game is happening so much faster every year we go on this thing. So, so it's, it's just you got to be able to train that. You got to be able to work each thing into, into your individual.
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C
You said a two word phrase a minute ago. Deep ball. How, how fun has it been to get to know Joe Milton here early on meetings.
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A
That dude could throw it a mile.
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B
It's been awesome.
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C
He's been, he's been great between Dak.
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A
Him Will, really good room. It's been awesome. We've had obviously this past week with the players, so it's just been good watching the different personalities interact.
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C
I love, I love it because Joe is.
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A
Joe's young, right. He was a rookie last year. The questions he asked Dak are awesome. You know, he's eager to learn and.
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C
Dak is being, you know, we all.
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A
Know Dak, he's the greatest. So he's, he's eager to teach. He wants to spread his knowledge as well because of what's made him successful. He wants everyone to be successful. So it's been, it's been cool just watching the dynamic of those and man, it's gonna be a fun season with those three guys.
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C
How involved were you in the evaluation? Like when Will brought the tape over saying like, hey, hey, this guy's on the trade market. What do you guys think? How involved were you from that point on?
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A
Same as I'm involved with the draft.
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C
Okay.
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A
They asked me a few different free agents, a few different trade possibilities, and then a bunch of guys in the draft give my evaluation. Take out, take out any, any, any, any, any rhetoric I might have.
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D
Just what does the tape say? That's what I provide.
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A
I make sure that I just keep it very clean to the tape and then I coach who they send me. It's fun.
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C
Yeah. And that Bills tape was fun from last year.
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E
It sure was.
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D
Yeah, it was, it was fun to watch.
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A
Steven, go ahead. Sorry. It was cool. The progression you know, they did a.
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C
Great job over there with him.
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A
The Progression of preseason 1, 2, 3 to the Bills game. Just that. That steady. Which made us really excited because it's not just coaches.
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C
It is.
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A
It is Joe as well. He's eager to learn. He is. He's hungry to get better. He wants to be great. So it's cool to see him just take the coaching and go to take it to that next level each game.
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B
Quarterback coach Steve Shimko joining us here on 105three the fan and Dallas Cowboys.com coach, thanks for taking some time. Good luck. Day three. Good luck for the rest of the off season. Can't wait to see what you do with this quarterback room and how it elevates going into 2025.
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A
Absolutely. As long as we can block Donovan.
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D
Yeah. Any. Any other good luck defensive opinions you want to give? Just feel free to walk in there of him if you want. You got a good eye for talent.
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A
Absolutely.
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C
You just made your life, Helen.
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B
Ox dog's gonna be wild.
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E
A lot of fun.
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B
Cannot wait. Coach, thanks so much.
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E
Thank you, coach.
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B
All right, when we come back, it's the official start of day number three of the 2025 NFL Draft on 1053 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com Lowe's knows Sundays are for football. So tackle your home improvement projects by.
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E
Yeah.
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B
Nice to meet you as well. Yeah. Appreciate you, man. Take care of. All right, back on the dock.
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A
So he's gonna come down. You guys can talk to him between picks and stuff. Oh cool. It's great.
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B
Roxanne Medina, everybody. On the dot com side of things, she's the one that has been orchestrating this entire hour of a revolving door and man, it has really cool.
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A
Got a chair.
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C
I got a chair for a couple.
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D
For a couple minutes.
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B
About the loser's gonna take that one.
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C
Oh yeah. I'm double. Huh? My bad. I didn't even realize that.
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E
Oh, dude, it's.
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A
Oh, there we go. Poor radio.
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E
It was a good look though.
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C
It was with the double mics.
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D
Yeah.
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B
I mean we knew we you were going to dominate day three. Realized it was going to be day three.
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C
I'm actually really excited to hear Yalls opinions on some of these guys. That come off the board today just because the defensive tackle room is very fascinating. The. The running, or I say room. Defensive tackle class is still pretty fascinating. Running back class is still fascinating. There's a ton of nickels here on the board. Do you double with corner? Especially given that. That you have this injury concern with Savon Revel. Yeah, it's Savone. Savone Revolve.
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E
I know this is a hammer.
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C
We got some fascinating conversations to have today, fellas, and I'm just going to go ahead and throw it out just because I want. I want some manifesting energy. Kyle Menung guy in the fifth. Okay, in the fifth.
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E
Can we. Can we do two Rutgers kids then? Because I brought him up last night. I want to channel Robert Longer beam. You want to go double dip on the corner. That's the guy that I would have my eye on the slot corner out of Rutgers. You don't like him? No.
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D
Terrible.
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B
I think.
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E
I think I'll fight you right now.
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B
I think longer being.
- [61:23]
E
Let's go to war.
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B
I'm just talking about double dipping. And Rutgers. How many wins did they have last year?
- [61:27]
E
Oh, does that matter? I'm.
- [61:29]
C
How many was a Colorado and I'm playing.
- [61:31]
B
Exactly. Colorado lost in the Alamo bowl and they've still got a quarterback available going into day three.
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A
If we're going to talk about guys from teams that didn't win a lot.
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B
Of games, can I pitch Ollie Gordon to the group?
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A
No, we're kind of talking about him before.
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D
Okay.
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A
All right, I'll just leave.
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C
Thank you. No, no, no. I like. I like Ollie.
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E
No, Ollie Gord sure is a name that I think a lot of people listening would be advocating for. And if you're getting the 2023 version of Ollie Gordon, I'm all in on this, Tommy. And maybe you will because the tape last year, it just looked like a completely different player to me. But he is a three down back. He is powerful, which I think might fit kind of the style that they're looking for here. When you talk about adding Tyler Booker and what we just got to talk with Clayton Adams about, it's just the timidness that he was running with on tape last year and a lot of that probably had to do with he did not trust what was in front of him and maybe that was not on him. But again, I think you're looking for some running backs that can they create. And I did not see that from Ollie Gordon last year. And I think you have to put that in your evaluation. He looked stiff to me he looked like a totally different player. So maybe he wasn't healthy. There might have been a lot of things that I don't know about that went into that play. But if you're getting the guy that we saw on tape last year, there are other running backs that I think would be much better than Ali Gordon in this class.
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D
I kind of feel like that as you look at the board and as I was working through it last night I was so encouraged by potential 4th round, 3rd round, 4th round running backs that could very well end up in the fifth round. If teams draft all these guys before Dallas has a chance to pick. I would be really surprised. I think there's some quality running backs there. I know we've mentioned a couple here. I'm going to talk about La Quinton Allen from some Syracuse I just the toughness that he runs with his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield I think is something that could be very, very special for somebody that drafts him. So very encouraged by what Nick was talking about with the runners and the corners as well. These are a couple of positions I think could stretch very well and we'll see about some of these defensive tackles, especially these one techniques.
- [63:35]
B
And that's the thing is Ross mentioned it. 76 names between now and 149.
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D
Never say never about getting back into this.
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B
I asked much of possibility.
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D
I asked the people this morning when I was walking in I said hey, chance of getting back in. They say we don't know yet. You never know what opportunity is going to present itself. Jerry Jones was last night in the post draft press conference was talking about his ability to maybe use next year's pill picks. So let's see how that all shakes out going forward.
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B
Are we going to give away a fourth round pick from next year too to get back up?
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D
Might as well try and get back into. You want.
- [64:15]
B
Well let me rotate it one year down the line.
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A
Let me say this.
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B
If we're looking at teams that could.
- [64:20]
A
Be looking to pick up some more day three picks. Atlanta's only got two today. They've got 118 in the fourth and then 218 in the seventh.
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B
So that might be a team.
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D
That's what's Minnesota. Minnesota is another team that's got of a little bit wonky with their numbers as well.
- [64:35]
B
Minnesota, I don't think they have a fourth round pick.
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D
Yeah, well they're probably in the same shape.
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C
Sounds familiar.
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A
Yeah, yeah, they've got, they've got two.
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B
Fifths and that's it for the rest of the day.
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A
If you, if you had a fourth.
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D
If you had your fourth round pick.
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C
I know where you're going. I'd like to bring that topic up too.
- [64:59]
E
No, Brian, do you want me to go?
- [65:03]
D
You stay.
- [65:04]
B
It's day three of the 2025 NFL Draft. The fourth round just about set to get underway from Green Bay, Wisconsin. We will make some picks momentarily going all the way up until the 257th overall. The Dallas Cowboys at the moment hold the 149th pick, about 70 pick between their last selection in the third round and then their first selection in the fifth round alongside Zach Wolczyk, Brian Broaddus, Tommy Yarish, Nick Harris, Fotch Lombardi. I'm Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam in the back and Peyton Russell back in studio. Want to talk a little bit more about the possibility of Dallas not waiting that long getting back into that fourth round?
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D
Yeah, I just talked to some folks this morning. They said, hey, listen, right now it doesn't look like it, but you never know what happens. Before we came back, I wanted to ask the question, if you did have your current fourth round pick, who would you guys would pick? Who would be your ideal guy to pick here with that, that pick if you had it?
- [66:03]
C
And I would love for us to pick when that comes and if somebody's off, just text your pick in just because it's, it's a fascinating exercise. And you know, last year Isaac Garrindo was picked in the spot for the Niners pick that was Deltao for Trey Lance. So there's, there's a lot of fascinating conversations to be had for me. If you're looking around at the need and you're expecting that run on running backs, that's probably where you would go in that fourth round because that's where that run started last year and it carried all the way through the fourth. I'm fascinated to see we got Roger Goodell on the podium.
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B
Here's Roger to get us started on day three. We do not have Roger Goodell, but he's up there at the podium and we are getting started on day three. That pick, by the way, 114 is what the Panthers have. So coming up quick, not going to take very long to see it. So like you said, a bit of an interesting exercise there on how we're going to see what that fourth round pick could have been. They have the Wisconsin Marching Band up there with a number of league representatives as well. Yeah, on Wisconsin.
- [67:02]
E
There you go.
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B
What have you thought through the first two days of the draft. Nick, about some of these other draft classes that have of sort of started to take shape across the board.
- [67:14]
C
Ah, that's tough for me to take a look at at the moment. I do like how Atlanta addressed their need for a pass rusher by going and getting two of them. It's just mind boggling. The capital that they gave up to go get James Pierce, like if they, if they jumped up to go get as a Raku, that would have made a lot of sense, you know, and been like, you'd still be like, wow, they paid a lot. But hey, that's going to be a good player. Now it's hey, they paid a lot. That's a good player. But he also could be a problem off the field. So that one's fascinating. I, I wish I could give you a little bit more. I do like the Titans class. Getting Ola Dejo and Kevin Winston Jr. I think you pair him with Cam Ward and that's like a all character class right there. That's a really good. You talk about character draft classes. Tennessee certainly got one here early on and then they're going to pick right here at the top of day three.
- [68:04]
B
What have you seen so far, Zach, out of some of these draft classes? As we get into day three, Titans are officially on the clock. By the way. We are off and rolling.
- [68:13]
E
I really do love what Tampa's done. I mean, I think Tampa's got and it might just be they took a bunch of dudes that I really am high on, but the class they're putting together I think is simply outstanding. So they're one of the teams I think has done an excellent job.
- [68:27]
B
All right, so with the Titans on the clock, pick one, oh three is currently being made and we have another guest joining us in studio. We have Aaron White Cotton, defensive line coach. Coach, thanks for taking some time.
- [68:40]
A
Glad to get you in here. Yeah, appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me.
- [68:43]
B
Absolutely. Now, defensive line, you come from the New York jets over the last couple of seasons, first year here in Dallas. What are your thoughts after getting a defensive lineman on day two in Donovan Aziraku? Man, excited. Honestly, I thought there was no way.
- [68:57]
A
That he would be there at 44.
- [68:59]
C
So us too.
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A
For us to get him where we.
- [69:02]
B
Did, it was, it was really, really exciting.
- [69:05]
A
And just another piece like we, you.
- [69:08]
B
Know, getting here has been exciting for.
- [69:09]
A
Me because the COVID is not bare.
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D
We got a lot of really good.
- [69:12]
B
Players, you know, from Micah all the way down. So adding another piece of that, I.
- [69:16]
A
Was like, man, it was an exciting day.
- [69:18]
B
You've got a lot of names on that list. I mean now it's your job to, to put those pieces together and really make a top notch front seven. This is a league and now a division specifically that has some really good front sevens. Where do you feel like your group ranks? You know, I don't, I'm focused on the day in, day out of just trying to get these guys better, you know, developing a relationship, starting to earn their trust. I worry about that first. But to your point, it doesn't matter what level football is, what division it.
- [69:45]
A
Is, you win the game up front. So we got some good, good players, good offenses, good defenses in our division. We gotta go win the game up front.
- [69:53]
E
Well, to jump in on the depth there, Coach, I mean, how important is that now to keep these guys fresh? Maybe the rotations, I mean you see all the best teams now, they're able to kind of shuffle in and out and in a 17 game season, I mean there's a lot of wear and tear that goes into that.
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A
Yeah, it's critical.
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B
Number one is if you play the game the right way, you need to rotate.
- [70:13]
A
So if you're, if you're playing physical.
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B
And you're sprinting to the ball every.
- [70:15]
A
Play, then you're going to have to.
- [70:16]
B
Rotate because you can't because nobody can do that for 90 plays in a game. So that's number one. Number two, it's cool and it's powerful to have versatility. So I'm blocking this style, I'm blocking this style.
- [70:28]
A
And then, oh wow, this guy came in, he's totally different.
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B
That's a, that's, that's a unique piece to have. And, and the last part about this.
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A
Is, knock on wood, that we never.
- [70:39]
B
Even hope of, but if somebody breaks a shoelace, we still gotta rush on third down. So if we don't have the depth, if we don't have our group right, then we're going to have problems on a Sunday. We can't live that life.
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A
Matt Eberfluss has called the three tech.
- [70:51]
B
Spot the kind of engine of his defense. What are those conversations been like with him in the last couple of months that you two have been here together and how to use a guy like.
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A
OSA in that spot and then kind.
- [71:01]
B
Of build around him too?
- [71:02]
A
Yeah, Coach Luce has been great.
- [71:03]
B
We, you know, thankfully.
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A
And one of the reasons that I'm.
- [71:08]
B
So fired up to be here is we see it the same way. We're looking at things. Things exactly.
- [71:12]
A
The Same way how we want our.
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B
Three techniques to play.
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A
What we're looking for in that player.
- [71:16]
B
The style of play has all been really. We're totally on board and totally connected.
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A
On both of those things.
- [71:22]
B
So all the conversations have been incredibly positive and incredibly shoot, just exciting for me.
- [71:28]
A
Like there's no.
- [71:31]
B
Neither of us have had to bend on what we believe in because we see things so, so similarly. So it's been great. And honestly too, like Shadi's the same way. Shotty has been amazing with his vision and my vision being so closely aligned. It's been really exciting for me.
- [71:49]
A
Coach, there's a lot of noses left over in this draft. We all like. Do you like your noses 310 pounds or like 330 pounds?
- [71:56]
B
You know, I like guys that make plays.
- [71:59]
C
Good answer.
- [71:59]
B
You know, you gotta be careful in any way, shape or form at putting somebody in a box. You know that like if you look at it, if you just said, hey.
- [72:10]
A
Well all the best, all the all.
- [72:12]
B
Pro DNS in this league look like this, then that's why all these people made a mistake on not taking Micah because some of those traits don't fit.
- [72:19]
A
But gosh dang, the guy can play football.
- [72:21]
B
Well, we got. You know what I'm saying? Then we got to make those decisions. So we just look for like putting.
- [72:26]
A
The puzzle together on each person.
- [72:27]
B
What is going to be the best fit. Now, you know, we ain't gonna go out there and get a 250 pound two technique, right? But like 320 verse three.
- [72:35]
A
I don't know about all that. I want a baller.
- [72:38]
B
How about that?
- [72:38]
E
Right?
- [72:39]
C
You were pretty active on the pro day circuit. This, this draft class. First off, how, how was that process and second, these campus food spots. Did you have a favor? Oh, shooting around the country.
- [72:49]
B
I'm up out of there so fast.
- [72:52]
A
And then also too, it's like the.
- [72:53]
B
You know that, that time of year.
- [72:54]
A
On just on my mind.
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B
I'm trying not to gain weight.
- [72:57]
A
You know, you're moving around so I.
- [72:58]
B
Know how that goes. Dude, I got to take.
- [72:59]
A
I'm not going out here restaurants. That's tough.
- [73:03]
B
It's great. I try every year to make that a huge part of the offseason and, and the, the Cowboys were over the top supportive of it, you know, and they were great. Will and his staff and Mitch Shotti fl all the guys.
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A
Hey, go out there and see.
- [73:22]
B
My thing is I would never buy a house without looking at it. I would never buy a car without looking at it. I would never, like, do anything without test driving it. And sometimes you're out there on the.
- [73:32]
A
Road and you're just, maybe you're marking.
- [73:34]
B
A guy off the list. Sometimes he's showing you something in person that you didn't know he had, or sometimes you're finding out information from another coach there or somebody there that's like, well, dang, this guy really fits what we're doing personally or character wise. So in that way, it's just, just. It's just such a valuable opportunity to get boots on the ground and see what these dudes are really about, see them move, see them interact. It's just to me, like I said, I'm not a, I'm not a Carvana guy.
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A
You know what I'm saying?
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D
I want to go to the lot.
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C
And you kind of answered my question already. But a lot of these guys or some of these top guys aren't doing the pro day workouts just because they do the combine or things of the sort. What is the value you still get from going to those schools you mentioned, talking to coaches? Is there anything else that. That really benefits you?
- [74:21]
B
You know, you can spend time with the player.
- [74:23]
A
Like, there's, there's no limit on that.
- [74:24]
B
So you can spend time with the.
- [74:25]
A
Player and you really get to know.
- [74:26]
B
Him, get to know his. Why, get to know what he's all about. Start building a relationship like a, like, hey, can we make this work? Like, is this a good working relationship? Because I firmly believe that there's a lot of players that go to situations, and I'm not. This is not a shot at any team.
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A
It's just the real.
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B
It's just the truth.
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D
Truth.
- [74:46]
B
That's not the right situation for them for whatever reason that is. And so me getting on the same page with the player, knowing what he's.
- [74:54]
A
All about, what his values are. So I got to know, like, when.
- [74:57]
B
He gets here, he's going to fit right in. He's going to be perfect for us, and we're going to be perfect for him because if. If we're not giving him what he needs, he's not going to be at his best.
- [75:05]
A
And that doesn't benefit the Cowboys.
- [75:06]
B
That doesn't benefit the kid. So spending time directly with the kid is also a big part of that.
- [75:12]
E
You seem to really tap into that with Solomon Thomas. And I know you've talked about him quite a bit because you both came over from New York, but we just got to talk with him on our show last week. And I mean, he, he was gushing, man, he lit up when we brought up your name. What made that relationship work so well? And. And how can he now help this new room that you have as you guys bring in what you were doing so well with New York, you know?
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B
Well, we spend more time together than.
- [75:36]
A
I spend with our kids, you know.
- [75:37]
B
So why make it miserable? And he's such an incredible human.
- [75:44]
A
Forget football.
- [75:45]
B
Just lay football out over there. He's an incredible human being. All the stuff that he does for our community, all the stuff that he has done in the mental health world, all the stuff that he has done to help others outside of himself and be honest and transparent. He's an amazing guy. And so I told you. I don't think I've told many people this. I think I told Solly. But the most stressful part of this offseason for me, at the end of the year, last year, Solly's parents come to every game. And so, you know, we've been. Shoot, was this like year four or.
- [76:19]
A
Five together, working together.
- [76:20]
B
So I see his parents before every game, and we had the last game in New York, and so I go over, I give his mom a hug, I give his dad a hug, and I'm like, hey, look, look, I don't know what's going to happen here.
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A
I don't know what's going to happen with me, but wherever I am, I'm.
- [76:34]
B
Going to try to get your son with me. So that was more stressful than anything.
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A
I was like, lord have mercy.
- [76:39]
B
I got to find a way to get this dude on the Cowboys. If I don't, I promised his parents. You know what I'm saying? Like, what am I going to do if I don't get this guy?
- [76:44]
A
I'm never be able to talk to him again.
- [76:46]
B
So, like, having that interaction with them and then seeing it come back to fruition, like.
- [76:51]
A
Like these guys, if you're. If we're doing it right, we're all.
- [76:54]
B
Family, you know, it's not just Solomon.
- [76:56]
A
Like, it's all of them. Like, if we're doing it right, then our family, because we spend so much time together, and this is such a.
- [77:01]
B
Hard league, it's such a hard sport that if we don't have brotherhood and.
- [77:06]
A
We don't have family, we're not going to reach our peak. One of the newer members of your family now is Mozzie Smith.
- [77:13]
B
It's a guy who is. You're kind of waiting for that next.
- [77:16]
A
Step for him in his game. What do you feel like that next Step is. And what have you seen from him on film that you're like, okay, if we can do this right or tweak this, he can be an all caliber player. First off, back up to the pro day circuit.
- [77:29]
B
I was at his pro day, we met, and I genuinely like Mazzy. I think Mozzy is. He's a great human being.
- [77:37]
A
He's a great person.
- [77:38]
B
And I feel intensity in him. I feel strength, I feel power. Like, and I'm talking about his personality. And it was. I was really excited. Like, we were definitely considering him in New York. I don't, you know, obviously I can't.
- [77:51]
A
Read Joe's mind, but.
- [77:51]
B
But I know that he was a strong part of the conversation and Dallas snatched him up before we could. So that's first off. First and foremost, when I get here, I'm like, well, this is great. I love this dude coming out.
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C
That's all.
- [78:04]
B
You know, he's a powerful, explosive and long athlete. That's exactly what I'm looking for.
- [78:11]
A
So you know what I mean?
- [78:14]
B
It was so exciting.
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A
He's one of the many.
- [78:17]
B
Like, I could go down the list of like, I love Sam. I loved Mozzie, I loved Peyton Turner. You know, all these guys that we just consensus loved coming out in the draft. Like, we've added this Marshawn Nealon. I loved Marshawn. I went to Western Michigan and had.
- [78:32]
A
Dinner with Marshawn Nealon.
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B
Like, this guy's amazing.
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A
He's a great kid.
- [78:35]
B
He's a good player. And he did his workout the next day. So Mozzie's like one of those guys.
- [78:39]
A
In, in that group. You're like, man, I love this guy coming out. It's great to have him here.
- [78:43]
B
Cover name Bear.
- [78:44]
C
Following up about Solomon Thomas. How were you able to get him here? What were the conversations around that?
- [78:48]
B
You know, we just did our. We went through our whole process, the free agent process. And, and that's where I give credit to Mr. Jones, Stephen, coach Shotty, Will, Alex Loomis, those guys going through the whole process. And I just, you know, and. And Coach Fluss just laid out what this guy means to us, what, what he provides as a football player, as a playmaker on this team. And then those guys went to work and they did their.
- [79:15]
A
Did their.
- [79:16]
B
Their stuff. And. And another one, Another great thing was Coach Blues was fired up about him. So Coach, you know, we have all these people who are excited to get him here, and he's not the only one.
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A
All the guys that we ended up.
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B
Signing, we were all Excited on and just a credit to all those guys going through that process and they made it happen. I was just, I just put my, I don't say 2 cents in like maybe 4 or 6 couple cents there one way or the other. Defensive line coach coach Aaron White Cotton joining us here on the draft show. Coach, thanks so much for taking some time. Can't wait to see what you have store for 2025. Thanks a lot guys. Appreciate you. There he goes. Awesome stuff as always. All right, we'll catch you up on the NFL draft. Underway on day number three, couple running backs. All the already off the board for the 2025 NFL Draft on 153TheFAN and Dallas Cowboys dot com.
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C
Yeah, this run on backs is happening. Oh my God, I did it again. My bad.
- [80:12]
D
Here it goes.
- [80:13]
E
Fourth round running back.
- [80:14]
B
Yeah, that didn't take long.
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D
Push.
- [80:16]
E
The PTSD is real. It is setting in and this is not a good feeling.
- [80:20]
B
Yeah, I'll reset it when we get to the radio side of things. We're taking a look inside the Cowboys war room as well. But the first three picks of the fourth round, all skilled players. Jim Ray, DK wide receiver from Florida goes to the Titans at 103. The Jags take Basho Tutin running back from Virginia, Virginia Tech. Some of those around the league knew Dallas was excited about him. Thought he could have maybe been a possibility in the third round. Maybe he was a trade up possibility. Not this far. At 104 to the Jags and then right after that, Cam Scatterbo off the board there out of Arizona, your favorite, Tommy Yarish. Can't wait to tackle him.
- [81:02]
A
Break him down. Scatterboat, tell us what you like about him.
- [81:05]
C
Yeah.
- [81:05]
B
Why do you like him so much?
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A
Why do you like him, Dominic?
- [81:08]
D
Well, I don't.
- [81:08]
A
You like them, right?
- [81:09]
B
Well, look, I'm never going to dog on guys. I think that this is a guy.
- [81:13]
A
Who in college was unbelievable. Just a bowling ball of a player. Contact balance like we heard Clayton Adams and Connor Riley talk about contact balance.
- [81:20]
B
Being something that they're looking for in running backs.
- [81:22]
A
I mean this guy is contact balance quite literally. Five nine, 216 pounds. The way that he was able to.
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B
Bounce off of guys is frankly incredible.
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And just keep his feet churning.
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You know, watching him against Texas, I.
- [81:34]
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Would was going through a roller coaster mentally. But just, you know, he's a guy.
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Who can take over a game and a big reason why Arizona State was able to make it to the College Football Playoff. This is a very confident player.
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I think you know, he's going to.
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Be a good locker room fan in the sense that guys are going to.
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A
Gravitate towards him and want to play for him.
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B
And you see his offensive lineman, look.
- [81:53]
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At these guys blocking downfield for him and the urgency that they've got to make sure that, you know, he can keep his feet moving. But he was able to add a little bit, too, in the receiving game.
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B
For Arizona State, but just always finds a way to pick up those extra yards. I can always appreciate that from a running back.
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A
The biggest thing for me is, you.
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B
Know, how is that going to translate.
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A
To the NFL level? Right.
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B
He's bouncing off of guys at the.
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College level, but now you've got to kind of take that step up.
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B
And can he continue to do that?
- [82:18]
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I don't think he. I don't think he had as much success, if I'm just being completely honest.
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B
I'm not saying that he can't be.
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A
A good NFL player.
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B
I just don't see his game translating.
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A
At the professional level. Sounds like you love the guy, man.
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C
Oh, there's a. There's a guy off the board that the Cowboys liked.
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B
Oh, Craig Woodson, safety from Cal.
- [82:35]
C
That's. That's surprising. Went early. I understand why. He's got speed, athleticism. He's a safe player. You. You want to draft safe on. On day three. Some teams like to drive safe on day three. I'll say that.
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A
There.
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C
There's risks you can take that could be calculated. If I could mention one thing, this war room, it looks. Not necessarily intense conversation, but it looks like a. A conversation that's deep enough to. Where, you know, things are being talked about this early on and movements.
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E
Yeah, it's got to heat up, right? You see two running backs go off the board and it's. And again, they've done an excellent job, I think, not necessarily pushing the need. And I think that's when they have their best drafts, is when they really do go best player available. And they took. I mean, Nick, you put it out an awesome tweet, kind of putting together where we all had all these three players and all of us, I think, had them within, what, at least the top. Top 40, maybe top 37. Three guys that were all in the top 37 of our boards. That's an incredible haul. In the first couple of days of the draft.
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C
This guy had Ezra Rocco at like 47.
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B
I did 47. Yeah. I had him a little further down. He was a late watch for me. And because I had to get a lot of hate all through those edge rushers. I didn't even have him in the magazine, which I was upset about.
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D
Kyle.
- [83:45]
E
At least he was in your time.
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A
It was a late watch. 16 seconds.
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C
I told you about this guy in November.
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D
Yeah, you did, but.
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B
But I've got a lot of other guys I have to watch.
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C
I respect you.
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B
I've got to. 175 is what I got to. So, I mean, that works out. I got a lot of things going on. Triplets at home. All right, but when you talk about Triple Dome, when you talk about the fourth round and you talk about these conversations going on in the war room, like you said, it's not. This isn't sitting back and watching the board at the moment. This is trying to massage where you could possibly end up in the fourth. The pick is in for Jacksonville at 1:07.
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C
They already got Tootin, man. Their class is fun too. Travis Hunter and Tutin. You could just tell me those two names and I'd be like, man, that's fun.
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A
Do you guys think because Dallas has a thousand yard rusher that was an undrafted free agent, do you guys think that, that maybe devalues running back for them or are they just simply, hey, you know, running backs are falling because better dudes are here?
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B
I think that's the thought process.
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It's part of it.
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B
I think they also just, they've said it a million times already in this pre, in these post draft press conferences is this running back class is deep.
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A
I think that they.
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B
One, like the guys that they've already.
- [84:52]
A
Got on their roster.
- [84:53]
B
I think it was Steven Jones yesterday that said they had some of their guys graded higher than some of the guys left on the board.
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A
And two, I feel like they, they.
- [85:01]
B
Look at the fifth round and say.
- [85:02]
A
Okay, if we stick here, there will probably be somebody that we can get and feel comfortable with.
- [85:07]
B
Not as, maybe not necessarily in a.
- [85:09]
A
Starting role, but somebody that we can feel good about putting out and seeing.
- [85:13]
B
What he can give us and add to this role room.
- [85:14]
E
Yeah, well, I mean, contact balance, right? That's what Clayton Adams was talking about. And if you're looking at some guys that have that, I mean, I think Taj Brooks, that is, that is a player you talk about contact balance. He's got that running back out of Texas Tech. And there, there's some, there's several more and I'll wait for a sec.
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B
We are off and rolling in the 2025 NFL Draft. Day three, fourth round underway. Five picks in the book, three skills players already off the board starting with the Titans at pick 103. Chimray DK, wide receiver from Florida goes to Tennessee. The Jags at 104. Bay Shoal Tootin, running back from West Virginia or excuse me, West Virginia, Virginia Tech peck off the board at 104. 105. The New York Giants take Cam Scatabo, running back from Arizona State. Patriots at 106. Take Craig Woodson, safety from Cal. And then most recently, the selection from the Jags again at pick 107, Jack Kaiser, linebacker from Notre Dame, who we had the chance to talk to through the Senior bowl process. We're taking a look at the war room at the moment. Conversations are happening, happening. But the Cowboys again, do not pick until 1:49. We're at 108 with the pick in for the Las Vegas Raiders.
- [86:40]
E
I like both picks for the Jags there. When you talk about Tudin and Kaiser, the linebacker from Notre Dame and obviously Tudin, we highlighted him for the Cowboys quite a bit. He came in for a visit, running back out of Virginia Tech 59206. Transferred from NC State where he played two years. He set the Vatech program record record for most rushing yards in a single game against Boston College. Averaged 105 yards per game. Another Jersey guy. Jersey times offensive player of the year. But he's an electrifying runner. Incredible production, home run speed, physical between the tackles for a smaller back. I thought that was really, really impressive. Keeps his legs moving to power forward for extra yards. You don't see a lot of variety in the passing game, but I do think he's capable of making plays. That was just a product of the Virginia Tech offense, but he's a fluid runner that can cut without losing speed. That would have been a really, really nice addition for the Cowboys backfield. So a good pick there for Jacksonville and then to get a guy like Kaiser at this point, I had him in the fourth round. I think that's good value for him. It's wild because he's a player that you don't look at and say like, oh man, he's going to be the best athlete. Yet somehow he gets himself in position to make plays that I didn't think he'd be able to get to. Super smart. He's consistently where he needs to be. He understands leverages and angles, good form, tackler, zone coverage awareness. I think those are two good picks there for Jacksonville.
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A
Jacksonville just took the fastest running back and the slowest linebacker shouts out to him, go ahead. Looking at the Cowboys war Room cam a minute ago.
- [88:08]
B
Looks like Stephen Jones and Adam Pressafika. Is that Pacifica? My bad.
- [88:13]
C
Prasifca.
- [88:15]
E
Oh, for. Sifka.
- [88:16]
A
What Adam say? Oh, for.
- [88:17]
C
This is such a Raiders pick right here.
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B
I'm sorry, Dante Thornton Jr.
- [88:22]
A
It is.
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B
I'm sorry, that is.
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C
Tommy, go ahead.
- [88:28]
A
Yeah, they, it looks like they were looking at the trade chart.
- [88:30]
B
Now it looks like Will McClay is.
- [88:31]
A
Over there looking at the trade chart with Stephen Jones.
- [88:33]
B
So if they're seeing these running backs start to go off the board, this.
- [88:37]
A
Is where they might look at. Okay, where can we package some of.
- [88:39]
B
These later round picks and see if.
- [88:41]
A
We can move up here and grab our guy?
- [88:43]
B
I mean, there are still guys that.
- [88:44]
A
I've got on my board.
- [88:46]
B
Devin Neal from Kansas.
- [88:47]
A
I've got a third round grade on him.
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B
He's still out there.
- [88:49]
D
There.
- [88:49]
B
Jordan James from Oregon, Damien Martinez from Miami, Dylan Sampson, Tennessee.
- [88:55]
A
A lot of guys still out there.
- [88:56]
B
That, that are graded pretty high and this might be them saying, okay, if.
- [88:59]
A
We'Re going to get a run here going, we, we got to jump up and get our guy.
- [89:02]
B
Nick, tell me if I'm wrong in thinking this, but if Pacifica or, excuse me, Pacifica is there having that conversation and the cap is involved, Eber flu.
- [89:11]
C
Is now in the room.
- [89:12]
B
There may be some level of player that could be involved here, right? Not a draft pick. I'm talking.
- [89:22]
D
That's absolutely.
- [89:22]
B
You're talking cap. If you're talking trades and you don't have enough draft capital to move this far up. The Bills have now traded into this pick at 109 with the Bears. Could there be a player involved to maybe add some value here and get into the fourth?
- [89:39]
C
Yeah, I'm reacting. Yeah, I think, I think it's possibly. I think that's a possibility.
- [89:44]
E
Are you talking Cowboys moving a player?
- [89:46]
C
Yeah, or, or going and acquiring. I, I wonder if there's a guy on their board that they see value in and maybe they're getting Eber flu's perspective on, on that guy. Now, Iber flu is having a pretty legitimate conversation here with Jerry Jones. But the thing is, if they were to trade up, they would have to sacrifice capital. They have seven picks today. But what, what does, what could that potentially look like? This is. This is definitely a conversation being had right now. We're having some fun early on, guys. Let's have a blast.
- [90:18]
B
Anybody, Anybody see Shoddy kind of go, yeah, he did.
- [90:21]
A
Who's a big player?
- [90:23]
E
How about CJ West?
- [90:25]
B
Was that somebody you would trade up to Come and get.
- [90:28]
E
He's not gonna. You think he's a little guy? I mean, I think pretty wide. I, I like him, but I like.
- [90:32]
A
Somebody else little bit bigger.
- [90:33]
B
He's strong though. White cat's strong.
- [90:35]
A
Like somebody that can play, you know, whether it's three. Yeah, no, you're, you're right, you're right.
- [90:39]
E
I think we pay too much attention to that one versus three Tech. I, I think in today's NFL you're. You're starting to get to almost like positionless basketball. Yeah, it's all about now can you get after the quarterback. So if you've got a guy that is also a bigger body but has the ability to get up field, I think it's less about the one Tech versus the three Tech if you can find guys that are interchangeable. And I think CJ Webb does have good size. Now, is he a Yaha Black?
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D
No.
- [91:06]
E
Is he like a Cam Jackson from Florida?
- [91:08]
C
No.
- [91:08]
E
Like he's not your prototypical. I'm going to just work the one Tech and be a trash can full of dirt. But I mean he's. I think he is really, really good against the run and he fights off blocks very, very well. Ty Robinson from Nebraska could be another one to consider.
- [91:24]
A
Well, see that's, that's, that's more so what I was asking because some of these one takes that are here there, they're still movers. Like Peebles can move, Phillips can move. But then they got the one text that they're bigger but they don't move as well. That's more so where I was going with that. And if it's Yaya Black and bigger.
- [91:39]
B
Here'S the bill selection at 109 since we have it.
- [91:44]
A
Dion Walker, defensive. Wow.
- [91:47]
E
Kentucky.
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A
He's a guy like beyond Walker.
- [91:48]
E
Leon Walker.
- [91:49]
A
Yeah.
- [91:49]
E
I mean, finding out that Dion Walker played all last year with a broken back, that was insane.
- [91:54]
B
I was hoping we could maybe get the war room up here. You think there was any thought there that if you're talking about big guys, 6 foot 7, 331 is about as big as it gets. I wonder if that was any part of that conversation or not. I'm just taking a guess.
- [92:08]
E
Who likes Dion Walker the most out of us? Yeah, who do you think?
- [92:12]
B
You, maybe.
- [92:12]
E
I don't know. I mean, I had him. I did have him at the end of the third.
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A
I got a fourth on.
- [92:17]
B
Okay, Tommy, where did you have him? I.
- [92:20]
A
Give me one second, let me pull. I had him at the end of.
- [92:22]
B
The third as well.
- [92:23]
E
I Mean, because he's just, I mean he's a massive human being. I mean 6, 6, 3, 4, 5 2. Time team captain. His nickname is D1. I mean this dude, he's left handed. Just to sprinkle in some unique facts about this guy. Started 36 to 37 games. He played offensive tackle in basketball in high school, but the dude is huge. Very difficult to handle. 1v1 does a great job of getting his big paws up in passing lanes. Has a good first step. Showcases ability to be quick off the ball. That size, I think it's impressive. The swim moves nice. He's an upside player. I think coaches are going to see the skill set and say, let me get that guy, see what I can mold out of him. But he's so damn big. He doesn't really have a lot of bend.
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B
I actually, when you look at the 84 inch wingspan, I mean you've got just incredible size. I think this is a great fit for Buffalo in the early parts of the fourth. Not shocking to see them trade back up to 109 to make that selection. All right, so Pacifica is back in the room. He's having a conversation with a lot of notes with Steven.
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C
He's got a Bible. Jesus. He's got a bible.
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D
That's a Jimbo. Good call right here.
- [93:34]
A
Do you.
- [93:34]
E
Is that like one page that you're handing out to everybody in the room?
- [93:37]
A
Do you guys think that it's. That it's more likely that we'll trade for another pick the move up or like trade for like a. Like another player?
- [93:43]
B
I think both are very likely.
- [93:45]
E
Yeah.
- [93:45]
A
Like, is that what, what these papers are like? Yeah, like this, like this is the trade to trade value. But if you had a player, it turns into this. Like, is that.
- [93:53]
C
Oh, I see what you're saying. I think this. I don't know. That's a good question, Vaj. I think this could be outside player. Just because they've talked about two substantive trades quite a bit. But maybe there's a guy on the board that they still like too. I just, I don't know. It would be, it would be very fascinating if they do trade up for a pick in this instance because you had your natural pick five picks away and you're. You're basically going to be sacrificing something. Jonathan Mingo here if that is the case.
- [94:19]
B
But that most recent selection, the bill selection at 109, was a pick they originally owned, traded it to Chicago and then they traded to get it back. So it has happened and it happened. Even the most recent pick, not to say 114. Yeah, I want my pig, not a 114 thing. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I just want to say the President is out there to try and get back in the fourth round if he could.
- [94:42]
E
Ryan just gave us some insight, said they're updating the trade charts in there.
- [94:46]
B
Oh, okay. That's what the notes are.
- [94:48]
E
Yeah. Maybe that's just, you know, updated for the room.
- [94:51]
B
Okay, so if you update the trade charts, something could be cooking, something could be brewing. What does that tell you? Nick, whenever you're updating a trade chart, what is there to update?
- [95:01]
C
That'd be a question for Brian Broadus. Yeah, that'd be a question for Brian Broadus.
- [95:05]
B
Brian is listening and wants to pop in here and answer that question.
- [95:07]
E
Could it be like next year's. Could you be looking to give up some next year capital?
- [95:11]
C
Yeah, I think Brian's coming. Right.
- [95:12]
A
Maybe you adjust the. The value per the player that's there. Kind of like a quarterback trade will be a little more versus like a one take or a running back trade.
- [95:21]
B
All right, here's Brian Elder brought us.
- [95:22]
A
Is here to tell us.
- [95:23]
B
Answer that question.
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D
What was the.
- [95:25]
B
Yeah, so when you're updating trade charts.
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D
Yeah. Buffalo just made a trade. So what happens is they took picks and gave them to Chicago. So now you have to reflect the trade on the chart. So you're updating the actual chart. So Buffalo went up, they lose capital, Chicago gains capital. So you have to reflect that on the charts.
- [95:47]
B
I see what you're saying.
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D
That's what he's just updating.
- [95:49]
B
I thought you were saying the numbers.
- [95:51]
D
No, he's just updating who's got what picks.
- [95:53]
A
Now that makes sense.
- [95:54]
B
Okay, got it. Because. Because of the trade overall. Got it. Thank you, Brian.
- [95:58]
A
Makes sense.
- [95:58]
B
The Elder states, makes. Makes an appearance. Popo, we have an extra headset in here. I don't know. You want to bring the rocking chair in here, Brian? Yeah.
- [96:07]
C
Hey, you can sit here, Brian.
- [96:08]
E
Honestly, I think Brian, I think he's kind of enjoyed chilling in the rocking chair out there.
- [96:13]
A
He sees the youth.
- [96:14]
C
He came prepared.
- [96:15]
E
He's able now to kind of like reset all of his board and his stack and then kind of take a moment to watch what's going on. I think he has kind of liked.
- [96:23]
C
That it is better than Bobby's chair today, which I hear is a toilet. So, yeah, prayers to Bobby Beld. He could not make it today. Dealing with some stummy problems.
- [96:31]
E
Hey, it's not the first time he's his stomach hurt.
- [96:35]
B
We're just, it looks like Bobby, I feel bad. Anyways.
- [96:40]
A
I'm going to save our boy here. It looks like Jerry Jones just picked up a phone.
- [96:45]
B
So that's, that's, there's, there's something there.
- [96:48]
A
Like a cell phone. That looks like a cell phone to me.
- [96:53]
B
He left the the Post draft press conference yesterday and said hey, I've got to take a call guys when he.
- [96:58]
A
Was walking on his way out.
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B
So maybe they're continuing the conversation from yesterday.
- [97:02]
A
But even a couple of minutes ago we saw everybody was kind of huddler.
- [97:06]
B
Around Steven Jones talking some things through.
- [97:09]
A
So it looks like there's Zach put it really well. Something could be brewing here.
- [97:14]
B
I'm interested to see what you guys would think as the target position wise. Where would you go if it is indeed a trade? Let's hear the Jet selection here. We're going to take a break and then on the other side of the break we'll answer that question. Here's the jets at 110 pick in.
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A
The 2025 NFL Draft. The New York jets select Arian Smith.
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B
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- [98:20]
E
Tom Pellissero of NFL Network's been thrown out. The Eagles could be a team to watch for. Shador.
- [98:27]
C
Fascinating. Adam Schefter keeps standing on the table for the Cowboys.
- [98:29]
E
I know, it's weird.
- [98:30]
B
They're also right there at one.
- [98:32]
E
I mean, hey, all of a sudden do those two teams like when the others mentioned, do they start thinking like oh no, we're going to get him before you get him and now there's a war fight.
- [98:41]
B
You know, like you try and jump in front of him in line to make it happen.
- [98:46]
D
Yeah.
- [98:47]
B
Anybody have Arian Smith as we take a look at some of his highlights? It's interesting at the track. Yeah, this is real.
- [98:53]
A
I think this is really high for speedy guy. I think, you know, you watch this.
- [98:57]
B
Tape at Georgia and he can certainly separate the.
- [99:00]
A
I think the issue with him is the hands.
- [99:02]
B
There were way too many easy drops for him.
- [99:04]
A
And you could say that for a lot of the Georgia wide receiver corps.
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B
That would definitely be my biggest concern.
- [99:10]
A
Like I said, more of a runner.
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B
Can blow past you with great speed. You look at that 43640 time.
- [99:15]
A
But the hands are definitely something that's going to have to be worked on a lot at the next level if he's going to want to succeed.
- [99:21]
E
Agreed. He, I mean, he's a stretch the field guy.
- [99:23]
B
Look at how far away he was from that defensive background. That guy probably plays for Fordham, but he's. I mean, no disrespect to Fordham, but it's a good.
- [99:32]
C
This is a good pick for the Eagles.
- [99:33]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [99:34]
B
Ty Robinson, they can't keep getting away with.
- [99:37]
C
Howie Roseman is special. He really is. And it's, it's really impressive how he's stacked these draft classes and found some really good value on day three. This is another one of my guys. He's an athletic three tech big tall. I think he could still add weight to his frame if they wanted to even slide him to a 1 potentially. But I would maximize that athleticism as a 35 and be able to maximize that pass rush, too. I have a really good friend that covers the University of Nebraska and wherever I called him just to get some opinions on some guys, he's like Ty Robinson. Ty Robinson. That's going to be a really fun player that comes out of this program. You see him lining up out wide, you see him getting inside, you see him impacting the run game. I mean, he's strong physically. Makes a lot of sense for Philadelphia.
- [100:17]
B
There were some individuals in this building that were really big fans of Ty Robinson. They liked the way he has some versatility.
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D
Me too.
- [100:24]
B
That guy's name was Tommy Nick Harris.
- [100:26]
D
No.
- [100:27]
B
In the Cowboys war room. I know that they would have loved to see him fall to the fifth round. I think that was a bit of a pipe dream. I think this is right around where he probably should have gone. And Philadelphia gets another guy to add depth to that defensive front.
- [100:40]
E
I'm with you. I put him in the fourth. He played in 60 career games, Nebraska record, most games ever played for a Husker. 12 tackles for loss, seven sacks. He's also good on special teams when it comes to blocking field goals and he got some fullback work as well. We saw him as a lead blocker, but just an all around, really, really good athlete. He is A slippery player up the field. You know what? I'm not even going to credit Howie Roseman. I think what he does is he's just looking at the consensus charts and he's just taking the dudes at the top of it and maybe that ends up working for you, Howie, but overall, I don't want to imagine that you're as good as you are, because I'm jealous.
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A
When you have a loaded roster and you just pick anybody that's regular good, it's always going to be rich getting richer with them.
- [101:18]
B
I mean, you've seen that with the Chiefs, you've seen that with the Bills. You've seen that with the Eagles recently. When you have a franchise quarterback too, that you kind of have some. Some talent around, it's easy to do.
- [101:28]
A
What you got to do not to.
- [101:29]
B
Fill those needs as. As desperately. The interesting thing with Robinson, he's going.
- [101:33]
A
To be 24 by the time the season starts, but this is your typical corn Fred, corn fed Nebraska honky that can do a lot for you.
- [101:43]
E
Nebraska hunk honky, like white guy.
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A
No.
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C
Yeah. Yeah.
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That what he's saying?
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Yeah.
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Is that allowed to be said on.
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Yeah, it is.
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No, that's.
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I didn't. That's not what I thought that. I thought it was just like a.
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Massive human being who moves really well.
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It is. Don't let these guys bully.
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That was my definition of it.
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Great twitch for his size. He's 200, he's 288 pounds, but it doesn't look like. He doesn't look like that. He wears it really well.
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He's got muscles popping out of his arms.
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He can line up anywhere, like Nick.
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Said, for from right over the center to coming off the edge. He's got great hands, throws guys off.
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Of him, gets into the backfield really well. Super, super, super strong, but he keeps his feet moving. And that's what I really like about this player, man. You know, Tommy, it's funny you said that, man, I hope I don't get fired, boy. But when you see the name Ty Robinson, I thought that was a name for us. I don't want to say much, but like the name Ty Robinson, I was.
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Like, man, somebody with some color.
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But then when you watch the film, you go, huh?
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I'm not shy.
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We've gotten.
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When you watch the film, you go, what? And then you look up his picture on NFL.com. i go, this is Taser. I go, that's Ty Robinson right there.
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This is why it's Ty.
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I was looking at the wrong guy.
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It's the guy.
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Like, is it short for Tyrone Ryan? Yeah.
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Tyron.
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So we call him white tie. Over on YouTube we call him white tie.
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White tail.
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White tie.
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White tie.
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A white tie.
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Okay. This is why you watch the draft show.
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This is great. Great.
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They're gonna fire me, but I don't work in.
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Hey.
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The New Orleans Saints are on the board at pick number 112. Gonna be very careful with saying that name from now on.
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New Orleans Saints.
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Oh, because.
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Yeah.
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From Paris, France, with the 112th pick.
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In the 2025 NFL Draft, the new.
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Orleans Orleans sense select.
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Danny Stutzman, linebacker, Oklahoma.
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That was from Paris, France, which makes sense. New Orleans 112, Danny Stutzman, off the board out of Oklahoma. The last four picks before that. Dante Thornton, Jr. Wide receiver from Tennessee goes to the Raiders at 108. 109. The Bills take Deon Walker, defensive tackle from Kentucky. Arian Smith, wide receiver, Georgia. A bit of a surprising pick for the jets at 110. 111. The rich get richer. The Philadelphia Eagles take Ty Robinson, defensive tackle from Nebraska. And as we just said now at 112, the New Orleans Saints take Danny.
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Stutzman, Oklahoma linebacker, Tasmanian Devil, playstyle, run hit, linebacker, blitzing ability. He reps the old school neck roll at times, which I'm a big, big fan of. Good size. Can play in zone coverage. He does a of flipping his hips and coverage than I anticipated. Why? Because he's white Fotch. Sideline to sideline speed. Now he does over pursue at times and takes four angles. I think he reads the run game really well. But it's, it's one of those things where he's a downhill player, can be an elite special teams contributor. Does he get exposed at times, the NFL level in coverage? And I'm sure his family was really, really bummed he didn't go to Baylor. His dad played football at Baylor, his mom played basketball there. And then he goes to OU, where he started 37 of 47 games, a ninth in school history and career sacks. Really, really productive player.
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Danny's in. Pardon me? Go ahead.
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You go ahead.
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Danny's in this group of linebackers like him, Simon, Paul King, where they're all like really good rundown guys, good instincts. They get downhill, but, you know, maybe you don't want them pass covering too, too, too, too much. Like that's kind of where they, where they kind of fail. But Danny has, has size. I think that kind of, that kind of separates him from the rest of the guys and A pretty good length, but they do throw the ball right over his head. So you might have. You might want to have a plan for him there. Go ahead, Tom. This is a guy that had a lot of fans in the Cowboys department, I think. You know, you look at the production.
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At Oklahoma, this guy was a tackle machine, simply put.
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I mean, he was unbelievably productive in terms of getting guys to the ground.
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I thought he played really well in run defense.
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This is a guy that got beat by Texas twice, so that makes me happy.
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But.
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But, you know, you look at the next level projection, I think there's a.
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Lot of good tools that you can.
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Build with, and he's going to be a great locker room guy for you. So I kind of like to pick you. I had him in the fifth, but.
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I would have been. I think I would have been okay at this point. So we saw an initial run on running back right at the beginning of this round. Now we've seen a run on defensive tackles. How about Ty Robinson, Deonne Walker? And now to the The San Francisco 49ers at pick 113, CJ west out of Indiana, selected here in the fourth round. Zach, I know you were really high on him since his time at the Shrine bowl up in Denton. I know he played really well for this Indiana front seven. I was really high on him as well. But what did you see?
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We was there, Zachary.
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We were man. Vodch and I got the pleasure of working all the practices, and it was CJ west and it was his teammate, Jordan Phillips, and they were just whooping everyone. As Vod said, 46 starts over 52 career games. Spent first four years there at Kent State. He played linebacker in high school and then went over to Indiana. This guy just fires off the ball. He can take on double teams. Quick and violent hands, which I think really sets him apart from other defensive tackle prospects. Can scrape down the line, fights off blocks against the run, relentless pursuit. As a rusher, he's very difficult to block because he's got a variety of ways he can really beat you. He was one of my favorite players in the draft. I thought maybe he'd get knocked for his length a little. Little bit pad level at times, could get high. But this is a dude that I would have been fighting for in the. In the war room. I. I was really a big CJ west fan.
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So now the Carolina Panthers are on the clock at pick number 1 14. This is the Cowboys original pick. This is what they sent for Jonathan Mingo. They would Be on the clock right now. Instead, it's Carolina who would pick it. Yeah. What are your thoughts on who you would pick if you were in Dallas's shoes?
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My highest grade in the is Ellic A minor.
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Stanford whiteout, Ayo Manor.
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Apparently he's got something going on with I think a flag or something that got him falling here. But just according to my board, I got him in the two. So if we're in round four and he's a two on my board, I think that's fantastic value for you. And I think he can come in and line up and do some X stuff and beat some of the X's that's on your roster right now. But he's flagged for some reason, so he'll probably keep falling. But that's why I pick.
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I have Jalen Royals just a couple tags above him. I would take the Utah state wide out and we'll figure it out. We got Royals, put him outside side. I. I would take White out here and. And stick to the board and go from there.
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I go ahead, Tommy.
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No, no, you got it.
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You got it. Shador is obviously the highest player left on my board, but if I were to go away from Shador, Jeffrey Basa from Oregon, the linebackers the highest player, and then Dylan Sampson's a couple spots behind him, which it's. It's crazy. We haven't called Dylan Sampson's name in this draft yet.
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I'm glad you love Jeffrey Bossa. Yeah, like, you've got him a little bit higher than I do even. And I thought I had him high, but he is, man. And I think he translates. It's like in a pass happy league. Now his coverage ability, converted safety, maybe some teams are worried about the size a little bit, but Jeffrey Boss I really, really am a big fan of as well. I had him in third.
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I got a. Got a five on cool. He's a cool player.
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I got a two on him.
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There we go. I'm higher on him.
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I'm that big on Basa.
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I have a third on him, but he's one of the highest rated players on my board still. No, no. I was just getting the Michael Jackson.
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Laugh out of you. It depends on what you like. Right? Like coverage guy. Then Basa would. Would be a guy.
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See, I like the coverage that he does.
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He's more so I'm more so get downhill and thump the run, dude. So I like the run thump. He do is a little more than.
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Boss, you know, what do you think this team needs more?
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I Think. I think Teddy Buchanan, who can do both.
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That's. That's a fantastic point.
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That'd be my guy.
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I think when the. When the Cowboys get whooped in the biggest games, I think it's like run defense. You know, it's. It's. It's these running backs racking up 100.
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Got to be more physical.
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Physical.
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Yeah, physical run. So I would love a linebacker that gets downhill and thumps a little bit. But just for our luck being Cowboy people, as soon as we fix the run, they're gonna start throwing the ball right over the top of us. You have to go for balance, which is why Teddy Buchanan fits, which is why Carson Swezner should have been a pick, but the Browns hating.
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All right, so I think the Carolina Panthers are messing with us currently. They have made their pick. Running back Trevor Etienne from Georgia. They're just taking the Cowboys now. That's all they're doing.
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How do we think about their draft? Tedro McMillan, Nick Scorton. Princely.
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Uman Mellon.
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Thank you.
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What's the name? Zach.
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Nope.
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One for three.
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Princely.
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You said one for three, and then what about.
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I'll go two for four.
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Etn.
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This running back room is getting really crowded in Carolina. I wonder if they don't feel good about the health of Jonathan Brooks. They just paid Chuba Hubbard. They brought Rico Daddle back to the state of North Carolina, and. And now they add a running back and Trevor Atn in the fourth round. So I. I wonder what their confidence level is in the health.
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Still naming off running backs, though. Sampson, Smith, Given, Crosky, Merritt, James, Blue, Hunter, Martinez. Like it's still names here.
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Yeah, I was just about to say, where is ETN on your board, comparatively?
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ETN is in the fourth for me.
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I had him in the fourth as well.
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I did, too, but I don't think they actually took him. I thought you just mentioned his name.
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No, that's who they took.
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They took him.
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Oh, yeah, they took. I took him. I have Sampson above him, Neil above him, James above him, Gordon above him, Brooks above them, and Manungai. That's the. And Martinez. Yeah, so I had them pretty far down there.
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James, Sampson, Neil. Those were the guys. I'll He. I got him right there with Taj Brooks at attack.
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I think if the Cowboys trade up, I don't think it'll be for a running back, because I just. Just looking at these names, I think running back will get to 149 or 174 somebody.
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I said the same thing last year. I was I was. I hope you're playing right.
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I hope so.
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I hope you're right.
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Because we do this again, it is.
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A deeper class, so there's a better chance.
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But gosh, there's a lot of picks.
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Yeah, you still got all the way to go if they're gonna 44 selections still, if they're gonna trade up here.
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Do you guys think that.
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Do you guys think that Royals, the wide receiver from Utah State could be a wide receiver too for this team?
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I. I do. I had him in the second round. He's definitely my top player left. I think on my stack I had him pretty damn high. Yeah, 44.
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So he would compete for it, but he would need to grow a little bit. Not physically, but in his technique.
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I think Royals is talented enough. I think seniority matters whenever you draft anybody into just any situation. So I think you're gonna have to be twice as talented as the seniors that are here, if that makes sense. Right. For example, Luther Burton. Right. Luther Burton is talented enough to walk in and be a like, all right, Jalen Tober, let's compete for something. Right. I don't think Jalen Royce is that much more talented. I think he's like a guy that could come in and compete and possibly win. I just don't think any wide receivers on the board right now are going to walk in and take anybody's spot.
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Cody Simon, linebacker from Ohio State, goes off the board to the Cardinals at 115. I agree with you, Vox, because if you're going to draft a wide receiver in round number four or five, wherever you end up taking one, first off, they're going to have to go up against a guy like Jalen Tolbert, who you took a third round grade on. Jonathan Mingo, who you traded a fourth round pick for.
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You've.
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You've had investment at the wide receiver position already, so you don't want to just waste that investment. That's why they've got a game that much better.
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That's why. At what point in the rounds is wide receiver just not even worth it? I think at this point I'd rather you take this fifth and go find me a wire.
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Go get a veteran one. I think I'm with you.
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It I.
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There are still good players on my board because I look at Jalen Royals as a two, I'm not sure what they look at them for. Same thing with IO Manor. There are multiple wide receivers out there that I think could come in here and compete for that job. But do they see it the same way, probably not. They're seeing it as a fourth round or fifth round possibility and that's where you would have to bring them in to come and compete for a possible wide receiver. Two job.
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Texans are moving up.
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Texans trade the sixth round pick and next year year's third. They trade next year's third to get up to 116 and they get a seventh back this year.
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What's going on?
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Texans?
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Texas been pretty aggressive.
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Yeah, they're on there.
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They've been wheeling and dealing since like Monday on the phones.
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Their sixth trade.
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Wow.
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Already in draft weekend.
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Yeah.
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Holy cow.
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Last four picks just to catch you up. The Saints at 112. Danny Stutzman, linebacker from Oklahoma, 49ers. Take C.J. west, defensive tackle from Indiana at 113. The Cardinals at 115. Take or excuse me, the Panthers at 114. Take Trevor Etn, running back from Georgia. Cardinals at 115. Take Cody Simon, linebacker from Ohio State. And then the Texans on the clock after they just traded next year's third to move up to 116.
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I want to go back to that.
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Panthers pick that they've.
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We didn't talk about how they've also got Rico Dowdle.
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Nick mentioned it. No, you did. My bad.
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I'm sorry. And they signed Chuba Hubbard to a big deal.
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Yeah, Chuba Hubbard, Rico Dow and Esquites Jonathan Brooks. That's, that's an interesting pick.
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You made a good point that you know, maybe this is them saying, oh, I don't know about the Jonathan Brooks.
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With the injury but well, and I know you had concerns because it was similar parties saying that he was going to be ready last year and was delayed moving into it that have said that Savone Revel is also ready going into the.
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Yeah, we'll see, we'll see as, as time goes on. But Jonathan Brooks also retours acl. Oh yeah. And that's. Yeah, that's tough. And I I a team like Carolina planning for the event that maybe he doesn't come back 100%. You know, that's the smart thing to do. It throws the question to us of, you know, are you doing the same for Trayvon Diggs? Are you doing the same for demarvi and Overshone and do you play worst case scenario so that you're prepared for it? It's a tough mindset to get in, especially from a coaching staff like this. I would assume that they, they try to, you know, breed positivity and throw out a lot of good energy But I think you also have to plan for the fact that things aren't always going to go good. So I wonder how much they factor that in going deeper into the draft process and how they did that over the course of the draft process. Probably should have asked that to one of the scouts, but it is fascinating to see where they go at those two positions today.
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That Cody Simon pick to Arizona, I mean, that sounds like a shoddy type of guy. I mean, team captain presented with the Bill Willis block 0 jersey for leadership, toughness, accountability and highest character at Ohio State. I mean, this dude was the leading tackler for the Buckeyes. Defensive player of the game in the Rose bowl and the national title for them. He played his best in the best games. Number three rated player in the state of New Jersey coming out true inside linebacker. The production was there. Good blitzer, consistent finisher. He's got a good feel and awareness, takes on blocks well in the running game. The only issue is I really am not sure about him in coverage, but he is a guy that is really good in the running game and he is a great guy to have in your locker room as a team leader.
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Another linebacker off the board. We've seen three already here in the fourth round. Jack Kaiser from Notre Dame went at 107 of the Jags, Danny Stutzman 112 to the Saints, and then now Cody Simon at 115 to the Cardinals.
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So that Texans trade. The Dolphins get 179 this year, a.
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Third next year from the Texans, who.
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Move up to 116 and also got 224.
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Little bit of a flip there. It's Texans, Rams, Falcons, Bengals, Titans. Those are the next five selections because the Rams just traded with the Indianapolis colts for the 1/17th pick. They trade a fourth and a sixth to move up. So we're starting to see some teams that are willing to back out of this fourth round or at least further back into the fourth round. Dallas still sitting on their board at the moment. Would love to get a look into the war room if they're still having those conversations one way or the other. Here's a look in the war room at the moment. Brian Schottenheimer standing to his left. Mitch Lapointe no longer in his chair. Now Will McLain having a. A bit of a walk.
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Yeah, this looks a lot calmer than what we looked at 20 minutes ago.
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Yeah, it doesn't look like there's a whole lot of movement here. I wonder. I wonder if there was a player that they liked, if There was somebody at the top of the board and.
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Then maybe got picked.
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They couldn't.
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They couldn't get there in time.
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Yeah, maybe so. Maybe so. Here's another running back to Houston.
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Man, Woody.
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If you had told me Woody Marks was going to go over Dylan Sampson, I would have said you're on something.
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Maybe there is something up for him, too.
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Tennessee offense, man.
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Is Woody his real name?
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Jaquavius?
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Okay. Okay. I would say, like, is it another USC running back last night? Yep.
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There you go. So, yeah, Woody Marks, second team all Big Ten last year, led the team in rushing and transferred from Mississippi State. We're rolling on it is round number four. We're on pick 117. The Los Angeles Rams are on the clock. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 10-5 3. The Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com Lowe's knows.
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Here's the Ram selection on the Internet side of Things at pick 117 have.
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Traded the 117th pick to the Los Angeles Rams. With the 117th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Rams select Jarquez Hunter, running back, Auburn.
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Another good one.
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That was. Yeah, that was a running back that the Cowboys were hoping would fall today.
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It's a good back right there at Auburn.
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Playmaker.
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Yeah, I mean, it's amazing for his size how he's able to just move piles. At 59204, he is powerful for a smaller back. I mean he is able to just move the pile, get additional yards, bully through tackles. Showcases the contact balance. That's what Clayton Adams was talking about. Acceleration. He's got breakaway speed, capable receiver. I think he'd fit the zone scheme really, really well. One cut and go type of guy. Special teams ability as a returner. He's not the most creative guy in the open field. He's just going to go. You saw a nice hurdle there with some of the highlights, but he's a guy that I expected to be a little bit better in pass protection with how violent a runner he is and maybe that's something that he can improve on just due to his size. That just might be a technique issue for him. But he is. He's a really, really good, really good football player. I mean, he averaged over 6.4 yards.
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A cat is the bright spot for Auburn offensively. Yes, he was that. I mean, you look at their wide receiver room next year, this is for the college football nerds out there.
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I mean, Cam Coleman, they had Keandre.
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Lambert, Smith, they got Eric Singleton to.
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The transfer portal this year, and you just, just couldn't get anything going through the air.
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I don't think Peyton Thorne was necessarily.
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The best fit for them at quarterback.
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They've been struggling to find a quarterback.
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Since Hugh Freeze got to town.
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But why?
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You know, you can lean on Jocko.
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Hunter and that makes your offensive game.
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Plan a little bit easier. And when he got going, he was pretty good.
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That's.
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That's Nick.
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Nick said it. You know, this is one that the Cowboys were, were hoping would be there. They debated over him a little bit. So this is one of those running backs that they had on their board. But I still think there are guys who are capable starters on this board. I've got a ton of guys higher than him. I mean, Neil from Kansas, Jordan James from Oregon. You know, I've got Montrell Johnson from Florida higher, Ali Gordon higher.
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So things are still falling. Well, if the Cowboys want to take.
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A running back, I think there will.
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Still be a name that they, they.
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Like on the board.
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This is starting to get known as the Tommy Yarish jinx if he continues to talk like this, because these running backs are just flying off the board now. Jarquez Hunter specifically. He was Auburn's offensive game plan. Yeah, that was it. I mean, he and DeAndre Lambert Smith, those are like the two guys that they could really trust with the football. Led the SEC with six and a half yards per carry. And then the teammates tell, they. They tell the tale about his weight room habits, his leadership. I think Houston got a good running back with the Woody Marks pick. And then the Rams get Jarquez Hunter. That's an even better pick at 117. Sean McVeigh gets another weapon in that offense. Billy Bowman Jr. Denton Ryan, Texas product safety from Oklahoma, off the board at pick 1 18. And I know this was a little bit.
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But he get picks, right?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. And obviously, I mean, I talked about it during draft 101. Probably just a little bit biased here because we got to cover his entire high school career there at Den Ryan. But yeah, the size, the. The size is why this guy wasn't ranked as maybe the best safety in, in the entire class. But he is an absolute ball hawk and a playmaker. Always love this guy. He plays with tremendous range. He's got no fear he'll come up and stick you in the running game. Can play deep zone or single high. You can even move him in the nick. Now certainly bigger receivers are going to give him a problem. I think we saw that during some Senior bowl practices. But he is an instinctive player that just has a feel for the game. He closes so fast he can miss some tackles in the open field and he needs to break down a little bit more consistently. But he, he, he's, he's a tremendous player.
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If he was, if he was 6 foot, he'd be like a second round great.
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E
Absolutely.
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A
Size is the only thing holding him back. Like maybe.
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B
Back here now the 12 o' clock hour of day three, the NFL draft on Dallas Cowboys.com and 1053 the fan alongside Zach Wolchuk, Vox Lombardi, Tommy Irish, Nick Harris with Brian Broadus. We have gotten through about half of the fur the fourth round to this point. Most recently five picks. Trevor etn, running back from Georgia goes to the Panthers with the Cowboys Original pick at 1:14. The Cardinals at 115. Take Cody Simon, linebacker from Ohio State. Texans at 116. Trade up to go get Cody Marks, running back from usc. The Rams trade with the Colts to go get Jarquez Hunter, running back from the Auburn Tigers. And then the Falcons at 118. Take Billy Bowman Jr. The safety from Oklahoma, a Denton, Texas product, originally a state champion from Denton Ryan High School. The Cincinnati Bengals just took one of the highest players on my board. Barrett Carter, linebacker from Clemson is off the board. He goes 119 overall and the Titans are on the clock at 120.
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A
Now see Kyle, this one of the linebackers. You like one of these fast running around. That's exactly dropping back in cover. They may get a little loss, they may not process it all that well, but they have the athleticism to kind of make up for it. Kyle, this, this is one of your guys, right?
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B
He was the highest rated linebacker I had on my board remaining now. I had a, I had a third on him. Carter first step, quickness, change of direction, closing speed already for the next level in my opinion. I thought he had a good football iq. Showed it at times, especially when understanding some coverages. Again able to drop back in coverage. I like guys like that. I think it, it adds, adds an element to your football team that can keep you very versatile in your front seven. Coach Sweeney described Him as one of the best pure football players he's ever seen in 20 years.
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A
High praise, pure football.
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B
Coach Sweeney's going out on a limb. I know he's an energetic guy and he's going to talk good about his players overall, but that is high praise. Overall. He was one of the best players in the country from 2021 to 2024. He had 30 tackles for loss, 20 pass breakups and three interceptions. He was the only player during that time span in the entire country to do so. So very versatile. When I watched him against SMU in the ACC championship game, Texas in the College Football Playoff, and then against Stanford in their ACC regular season, I saw a little bit of shades of Nick Bolton. Okay, sure, it's versatile. He can still play downhill, gets lost at times. I think there are ways that he gets over aggressive and gets himself into trouble, but overall, I really do like the player.
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E
Played the most snaps by any Clemson linebacker on record.
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A
I was just going to say we've been watching film like six.
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E
There we go. But yeah, I mean, he's a, he's a three down linebacker. I think everything you said about him was right. He can cover backs. He can, he can. Man versus tight ends. Fluid movement, can blitz this. He's a good quarterback. Spy plays with awareness. Barrett Carter, at this point in the draft, I think he's a really, really solid pick. Tommy?
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Yeah, I like Carter a lot.
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B
He was one of the top linebackers that I had.
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A
I the linebacker spot especially. I really valued production and what they were able to do at the point of attack.
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B
And I think Garter was doing that so long for Clemson and Clemson's had.
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A
A good run on linebackers in terms.
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B
Of what they've been able to do to college. But now can they make that step.
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A
To the next level at the NFL?
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B
I think you think about Jeffrey Simmons.
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A
Was that his name a couple of years ago?
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B
Yeah. Yes, that. That you just look at and you're.
- [126:50]
A
Like, oh my God, this guy is unbelievable.
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B
But it just hasn't worked out in the NFL yet.
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A
So can Barrett Carter kind of break that mold?
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B
Obviously. Scout the player, not the helmet. And one of my Longhorns just got picked here to the Titans. Gunnar Helm, the tight end.
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E
Dude, you have been before I on Gunner Helm take. And I think Isaiah Simmons maybe. Is that who Isaiah Simmons is?
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A
I'm sorry, no, you're good.
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E
I said yes initially too. I think Justin Simmons was the safety, but take it away on Gunner.
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B
Hell, Justin Simmons I think was a Broncos. Was a Texas guy.
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A
Anyways, yeah.
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B
Gunner Helm, the tight end from Texas.
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A
This is a guy who I really like.
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B
You know, the tight end position at the University of Texas is one that is always going to thrive because Steve.
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A
Sarkeesian marks it as one of the.
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B
Most important positions on the field.
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A
With so much attention going to his.
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B
Wide receiver, the tight end always finds.
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A
A way to get open. You think about J.T.
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B
Sanders last year and the production that.
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A
He was able to put up over.
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B
The course of his time at Texas.
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A
Not the most athletic guy, Gunnar Helm, but he finds the creases in zone.
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B
He's able to find those soft spots.
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A
In coverage to get open. And he hurdles dudes. He loves to hurdle guys. I don't know how he can get over half of these guys, but he loves to hurdle people, and that's a.
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B
Big part of his game.
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A
He can block on the end line. I think that's where he needs to take the next step. You see him kind of get put on his behind like he did there, a little bit too much, but very productive in college.
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B
This is a guy who has a very high ceiling.
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A
This is the perfect guy for me to go out on here. Yeah.
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B
Tommy, you've got to get upstairs, and you've got to get working on Dallas cowboys dot com.
- [128:14]
E
Oh, we're losing you.
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B
There's a lot of great written content still to come from Tommy Yarish. Before we let you go, I just want to tell you, rookie year, you killed it. Incredible stuff. I mean, you're off to a hot start. Can't wait to continue seeing you grow in your role, both as a beat writer on Dallas Cowboys.com on the TV content and then here on the podcast side of things. I think Cowboys fans and draft fans out there can say just how much you've done a great job and you're in year number one. Well, thank you.
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A
I appreciate it. And I appreciate all you guys.
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D
Yes, sir.
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A
For helping me out along the way.
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B
This has been a lot of fun year one.
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A
I hope everybody watching at home enjoyed. This has been a pleasure and a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to next year. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
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B
How many Texas guys are going to go next year? You want to get started on that?
- [128:55]
E
All of them. The entire roster.
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C
All right.
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E
Hey, we're here for another four hours, so if you get an opening, you want to pop in, all right?
- [129:00]
B
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We got an extra headset.
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A
I appreciate you guys.
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B
Thank you so much. All right, we love Yaritch. Off to the races, Nick. Harris will rejoin us shortly. Brian, I know you were pretty high on Gunner Helm.
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D
I was, I was absolutely. I, I think the thing with Gunner Helm is, and I've really admired the, that what he was able to show through the, through the, the playoffs. You know, they, they really, really, he's super reliable. You know, the word is the coaches challenged this guy. They said, hey, you got to be a better player. You're not going to be here any longer. And he accepted that. He went to work. He made really a great improvement from one season to the next. You can line this guy up all over. He's kind of a slippery player with the traits as the route running. He finds ways to get himself open and I've seen him make one handed receptions in traffic. He's not going to run away from anybody but man, he will get north and south and, and in, in a hurry to get. All he can is a blocker. I think his technique, the functional strength I think will limit him some there. But you know like he, he'll fight. I mean he fought in the Michigan game, but there are snaps where he was asked to move and block and then he ends up cutting the defender being thrown to a side. So he does remind me a little bit of Dalton Schultz when you watch him play.
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E
Absolutely.
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D
See that when Dalton Schultz came out of Stanford, kind of the same kind of guy. But, but yeah, Gunner Helm, a nice player there.
- [130:21]
E
He does a really good job at timing his release in the screen game. That was something that stood out to me. But I think he nailed everything, the yak abilities there. Tough runner on the open field. He's not the most elusive, but he can make people miss and run over you. And super good in the red zone. So solid pick in the fourth round.
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B
So shuffling around here. Yeah. After Gunner Helm, tight end from Texas, off the board at 120. The Buccaneers take David Walker from central Arkansas, the UCA gray and purple turf, off the board at 121. And then Lathan Ransom goes to the Panthers at 122 here in the fourth round. So those are the last couple picks. Anybody want to talk about Walker and Ransom specifically?
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A
Kyle, let me just say what I like about you, man. What I like about you.
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B
What's that?
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A
In the first and second round you'll look at Zach like, hey Zach, talk about this. We're in day three.
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B
Oh yeah.
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A
Does anybody want to.
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B
Who wants got, who's got him?
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A
Who got this guy?
- [131:16]
E
I can take Ransom, you guys can take Walker.
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A
Can I do Walker?
- [131:19]
E
Please, please.
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A
Let me tell you what I love about David Walker, man, when I first saw him on these mocks, on these way too early mocks, I saw some second round grades on them, third round grades and boy, I thought I was in for a thrill. Took a look at him and the first film I watched was Tarleton State.
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B
Tarleton.
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A
Tarleton. Pardon me. I say, damn, he beating the hell out of the Tarleton State kids. I see some, some, some good, some good extension here.
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B
Do you know Tarleton's nickname?
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A
Tarleton is a, is a person.
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B
No, Tarleton State. Like what's their nickname?
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A
What's their nickname?
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B
They're the Texans. They're from Stevenville. They play like two hours from here.
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A
That's exactly why they, they damned Tarleton State. Look. But he was beating the hell out of Tarleton State, man. Two gapping, very explosive, powerful hands kicking the hell out of him. I was like, all right, David Walker. But then he played North Dakota State, which is a step up. I was like, okay, okay. Not as powerful, not as explosive. Okay, cool. But he's still kind of winning some reps here and there. This is pretty, this is better competition. But then I watched him versus Ole Miss. Yeah, more the competition went up, I think the, the worse he got a little bit. So I think when he's playing, playing down, I think he's really good versus those guys. But when he played against some of the D1 talent, I think he really struggled. I think he got lost in the shuffle a little bit. I think he relies on power when he can over overpower some of these guys. But when he can't overpower you, he overexerts and he kind of gets lost in the run game. He kind of gets lost in the, in the wrestling match and he doesn't really understand what's going on around him. I put him down here on my extras. I think he's a guy that could have went five, six or seventh round or something. I just didn't want to put six and seven round. Just got him down extras. But you know, when he's against the, the, the lower competition, I thought he was a really good player. But when he stepped up against some of the big boys, I, I just didn't, I wasn't the biggest fan of.
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B
He was a three time FCA All American, 22, 23 and 24. The Senior bowl was big for him because just like that he needed to see that competition jump up. He never really stood out. There were a couple reps one day or the other. I remember there was a note That I had on Walker and I have it here that, that he had a good rep against Gray Zable through the weekend. That was the one thing I saw from him other than that it never really stuck out specifically. And he ends up being a fourth round pick here to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now I know you guys have watched this gentleman because he's one of the top edge rushers off the board now. Jack Sawyer, Ohio State edge. This is a Pittsburgh pick, 123. In the fourth round they get one of the bigger edge names because of what he did throughout Ohio State's playoff run.
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E
So there's back to back Ohio State Buckeyes. I was not as high on Sawyer as some others were. I definitely had him going around this range. We can go back and talk about Ransom in a second. But captain Jack Sawyer, man, I think everybody, he became a household name during that run to the national championship for the Buckeyes. There's no question about that. Highest rated recruit in Ohio State's 2021 class. He was a five star prospect. Dad actually played college football at Finley College. Mom was a star basketball player at Pinkerton and his grandfather was part of the Pittsburgh Pirate system. So he's got an athletic background.
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B
Now he's going back to Pittsburgh.
- [134:23]
E
Sure is very reliable. He showcases fast hands. He's got a solid cross chop. Quick get off. He can line up in a 2.3 point stance. Can play left or right. High motor, strong upper body. I think he's slightly stiff in the lower body. Gonna run around blockers at times in the run game. Take some extra steps for me. But he's physical at the point of attack and collapse the pocket with power. Not the most twitchy guy. Guy. But the effort. Makes up for it by not quitting on plays. And he gets rewarded sometimes.
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D
Good.
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E
Not great athlete. Needs to add some more pass rush moves. But he's a really, really good run defender initially. Like there was some hype he could be a first round guy. I did not see that. I thought he should go probably right around here in the fourth round. But Jack Sawyer's a very, very good player and good value here for Pittsburgh.
- [135:08]
B
What did you see in him, Brian?
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D
Yeah, I think Zach's got him right. When you watch him, you know, perform. I'll get down to my notes here with him. But you know, he, he showed up in the, in some of the big games for them. You know, he's, he's got the frame. We talked about that. Hand on the ground. Stand up high. Motor. Big time effort Never quit. He can be strong at the point of attack. I think the balance, the redirection are good in place. I feel like there's, he's too far up the field. He's going to try and make sure that he retraces his steps and works back to the ball. He's got the high iq. We talk about that, the speed, the power, converts pretty well. I do like the way he's able to run down plays from the backside. He can beat the cutoffs, the reach and he's a good finisher. When he gets in position where he's going to need some work is in order to be more consistent with his hand use. I think there's times where he gives himself up. His size and his IQ are impressive. I just wish he was a little bit more twitchy.
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B
At 124, the Green Bay packers are on the clock. Roger Goodell is actually back back at the podium, which is rare to see on day three. This might either be an announcement packaged with it or because it's the hometown of Green Bay Wisconsin. Let's listen in.
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D
Defensive end.
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E
Wow, good pick.
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B
Here's why the commissioner oh and the commissioner comes out because Sorrell is in the house. What he is there in looking good.
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E
He's looking good and now he gets.
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B
To make the walk. Texas Longhorn off the board here. Another guy that stood out at the Senior bowl vouch and had a really good week out there in mobile.
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A
Physical is all get out man. And you would look at him and think that he's a bendy, bursty, not all that physical guy but he is bendy and bursty but he's physical, strong hands, flies off the football and he wins getting off the football. And I thought he was a really balanced player, really good pass rusher, a really good run defense guy. Very patient, very patient. And in this class full of, of non patient run defenders, man, I thought he did a really good job of, of stacking, punching and extending and finding what's going on in the backfield and then releasing and, and going to go make a play. I'm blown away because I loved him. I, I got him in the second round.
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D
I think that they, I think that on my board I have him in the third voucher. I think you got him right? Yeah. And I, to me this is a round late and good for the kid hanging in there, you know and, and special for Roger Goodell to walk out there and introduce him. You know this in front of a home crowd, in front of the home crowd. This, this Kid, you know, he's, he's, you know, Roger Goodell's telling him, hey, man, thank you for coming. Thank you for being part. Here's your, here's your fan base right here. Go show them all. And you know, good for the commissioner to present him. Good for him to get his moment to be after probably a long couple of days for him.
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E
Three year starter at Texas. Fast hands, man. I mean you're 100% right when it comes like the most bendy or twitchy guy. But I, I wrote this is just a guy you want as part of your defensive line because he's super consistent. I mean he can refine his pass rush skills a little bit, but he never quits on plays. He's always running to the ball. He's super good against the run plays with power. He can shock and disengage to fight off blocks. This is great value for Sorel.
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B
He's got some power kind of hidden in that. Those hands too, you talk about how quick they are, man.
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E
His punch, shock.
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A
Yeah, it's, it's their chest quick.
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E
Absolutely.
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B
And he'll go right through it too. This is a really cool moment. You don't get to see this on day three a whole lot, especially in front of a home crowd like this. Yeah, it's to go and high five all of his future fans here. This is a really cool thing overall and, and I'm happy for him because getting to know him and talk to him at the Senior bowl, he's a good dude. Really good dude. He's going to be a good fit there with the Green Bay Packers. All right, we are closing in on the end of round number four. We're in our number three of day three of the 2025 NFL Draft on 153 the fan and Dallas Cowboys dot com.
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E
Can we go back to Lathan Ransom?
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B
Absolutely.
- [139:04]
E
Just want to give him his due. Another watch that did. Yeah. I mean this, he, he played 37 starts, first team Big Ten last year. Had three fourths fumble, 76 tackles, nine for loss. If you watch the Oregon game, it was rough.
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A
He's cracking heads.
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E
Yeah. Jordan James, I thought put him on his ass in pass blocking. He got popped pretty good in that one. But otherwise this dude is physical as all hell. You, you, you make that point. I mean he is a box safety. I don't think he always takes the right angles and fills the gap, but if he does, he is a physical hitter that has pop behind the pads constantly communicating pre snap. He's the quarterback of that defense. Sometimes he's a little bit hesitant to react though. And I think that he can arrive a little bit late. But Lathan Ransom, I mean, you talk about physicality. You want a guy that can come up and hit people, maybe impose some fear. Lathan Ransom is one of those guys that can do that.
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A
Don't want him covering too much. I want a whole bunch of space. But he's going to come down and thump in the run game. That'd be fantastic. My bad. Cops are.
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B
Oh, no. I was laughing at what you said. That's all it was. I was laughing at. You said you don't want him to cover. But hey, if he's playing downhill, he's still going to be totally fine.
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A
That'll get him. Yeah. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what I, what I don't like about these Packers. Hang tight, Woodchuck. Just listen to this. I was hanging tight. Sit down, sir. Sit down.
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E
Sit down too.
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A
I was re watching some of the cowboys content from yesterday. Right. And Travis Frederick went up there to the, to the podium. He was like, wisconsin, what's up?
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B
Yep.
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A
And I think they booed him. Cause he's cowboy guy.
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D
Yeah.
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A
But those ungrateful charlatans forgot about what he did for the University of Whiskey.
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B
Badgers, baby.
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A
Didn't he lead the. Hey, we're a O line team now. Was he, was he one of the first guys that. That I'm. That Wisconsin is o line talent, straight toughness and grip.
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E
First round pick.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Stop hating on Travis Frederick, you ungrateful charlatans. Go ahead. W. No, you let him know.
- [141:04]
E
You let him know, Vodch, you tell those Packer fans that. You know what? You're ungrateful pieces of poo.
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A
Whoa.
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E
But I loved Lambeau Field and I. It's a bucket list.
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A
Let me see that ring, Brian.
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B
Yeah, there was a ring right here.
- [141:17]
A
Exactly my fault, Brian. But I, I just didn't like how they, how they did. Cowboy legend, Wisconsin legend Travis Fred. He's like, wisconsin, whatever.
- [141:25]
B
I was like, I don't disagree with you. I mean, get over it. You know why he's there? He's a Wisconsin guy.
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A
I think they booed Melvin Gordon, too. Yeah.
- [141:32]
E
Did they?
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D
Yeah.
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B
He's in the afc or he was in the afc. Like, it's not like it's a big deal.
- [141:37]
A
Speaking of class, let's get all.
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B
The Chargers are on the clock.
- [141:39]
E
Tiger fans are phenomenal fans. But that is, I do think, a little bit disrespectful.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it's because their ownership too, right? That's what it is.
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E
They are owners so I guess they have the right.
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D
They will remind you of that too.
- [141:49]
B
Yeah, I've heard that a couple times this week. You said the only, the only thing from opponents teams or past teams that you kept around was your big Green Bay parka, right?
- [142:00]
D
Oh yeah. Got a couple big boat. Oh yeah. You keep that in your and you keep that in your rain suits. You never know when you'll be out there fishing standing on the front of the boat. You need your rain suit. So got my rain suit from Green Bay, Jacksonville, Dallas, Philadelphia. Got them all.
- [142:15]
B
So how quickly are you going fishing after this draft is over?
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D
Very quickly. Tomorrow. What a cook crawfish and go fish. Good for you. No, but it's good man. I'll tell you what this day is, is, is kind of streaming along. I if you're the Cow, if you're the Cowboys, I'm sure there was some anxious, you know, moments for him as, as through any draft. I do think they really did like the kid from, they did like the kid from, you know, from Auburn, the running back there, Hunter. So I mean they lost out there but still a lot of quality on that board.
- [142:46]
B
Stephen Jones is on the phone currently having a conversation. He hasn't really moved a whole lot. It looks like there's a lot of listening more than it is a lot of talking from Stephen Jones. Remember we were at 125. We are now on the back half of the fourth round. Could this be a target area for Dallas who currently sits at 149 in.
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D
The well, maybe it won't cost him as much to get back in at this point. And usually when you start the top of the of the round, you know, we started the day a lot of folks were sleeping on their boards and and they're going to not let you get out of this. They're not low. We're not interested in moving. We've got third round grades on this board. We're going to stand here and pick guys and so yeah, good for you know, those teams they that's, you know, I wish Dallas would have had their, their opportunity to pick there. We'll see how Mingo works out for them. But now it's a little bit more manageable for them to take those fives if they want to move them and maybe get back into the back end of this thing if they can.
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A
Fellas, let me ask you a question. You know the Cowboy fans all over, all over social media, they're asking about where the Cowboys could possibly double down. Just a big picture double down question. Let me just ask you guys. You drafted?
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B
Let's ask side. Yeah.
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A
Yeah I hate.
- [144:08]
B
The Chargers just selected edge. Kyle Canard from South Carolina off the board back to back to back edge rushers. Actually four in the last five selections starting with David Walker, edge from Central Arkansas going to the Buccaneers at 121. The Panthers take Lathan Ransom, safety Ohio State from 122. 123. The Steelers take Jack Sawyer edge rusher from Ohio State. The packers at 1:24 take Baron Sorrell who was actually in attendance for his selection. Edge rusher from Texas goes to the packers. And then The Chargers at 125 take a pretty high name on the Cowboys list. Kyle Canard, edge rusher from South Carolina. Your thoughts on the guy Vach and then I know you had a question.
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I got a second round grade on him and he's a guy that just naturally gets sacks. Like he's a. He has a really good feel for being a pass rush. I wouldn't call him the most bendy, bursty guy in the world but he can bend sometimes. But he really wins with like power and running through you and whooping ass. Since I can say this now but Kyle really, really, really good in the run game also. There's probably some room to grow in the run game but I think he's really good versus those outside zone situations. If you're running directly at him, that's when he kind of runs into some issues here. But he makes his money. He puts the satin on the panties by pass rushing.
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B
Oh man, what's that?
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D
Nothing.
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B
Yeah, the Browns running back Dylan Sampson off the board. Some of these top names are starting to fly here.
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A
Brian Damn cald.
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D
Yeah, that's. That's one of those things I was kind of. There's. There's some guys I'm holding on right now and I was kind of hoping. I don't know if they like Sampson as much as I do, you know but I'll tell you what, this guy is a very. He's from Baton Rouge, Louisiana and so.
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B
It'S a good town.
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D
My Tigers, they let him get out of town. But this kid right here, when you watch him play, he has got those. That kind of. That he plays in this rotating system there for the Vols, you know it wasn't easy to the games I watched Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma. It was hard running the ball against these guys. But his vision is anticipation. The way he sets up blocks the way he presses the line, the cutback lanes, he take handoffs. He could turn him into huge games. He could be a tough runner. He had 100929 yards after contact. 70 missed tackles, was good enough to be the 11th in the country. But he just. He's one of these guys that could be elusive. The reception numbers improved each year that he played there for the Vols. He just didn't have very good technique as a pass blocker. But, man, his ability to run with the football is super impressive. I had him in the top of the third round on my board.
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A
Great in the red zone. Touchdowns, touchdowns, touchdowns. He had like 22 of them last year.
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E
Yeah, he did. I mean, very explosive. No doubt about it. I wonder if he's a committee kind of guy, but certainly the production is there for him. It's interesting because now Quinshon Judkins and Dylan Sampson have gone to the Cleveland Browns.
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B
Yeah, I was just going to ask that. I mean, they're loaded.
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D
Well, every time we look up though, Cleveland's running the ball really well. Well, and you wonder why. It's like one of their backs gets hurt and then they put the other dude.
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B
Yeah. In.
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D
And then they still, you know, they run 100, 189 yards against you or some crap like that.
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B
Jalen Travis, offensive lineman from Iowa State, goes to the Colts at 127. Here's the commanders at 128.
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A
The Washington commander select. Jalen Lane, wide receiver, Virginia Tech.
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B
Another high skill player off the board here. If you're Dallas and you really want to get back in, you hate seeing some of these names pop off the list. I think Dylan Sampson was a name that maybe they could have gone back up there to get. I know they have some other guys pretty high on their list that are still available, like Jordan James and Devin Neal. Those are two names I've heard.
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D
Are you guys holding more now on a wide receiver? You hold him more on a runner.
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A
In the draft or the draft?
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B
In the draft, I think a runner.
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E
I think the runner is going to be there. I'm stunned that Jalen Royals hasn't been picked yet. There's something that maybe they just see him differently.
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B
Do you think it could be a medical? Because he did come back from a pretty hefty injury, maybe.
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E
I wrote down some of the medical flag guys. I didn't think Royals was one of them, but. But I'll, I'll double check and take a look.
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B
He missed the final five games with injury at the end of this year. Said he was all good. He looks good at the Senior Bowl. I mean he worked out quite a bit, so I don't know why he would be a flag guy, but maybe there's something there that we just don't know.
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E
Yeah, there could be. There could be because it's weird that he's still sliding here. I mean, Jalen Lane's a good player though out of Virginia Tech. He's a weapon with the ball in his hand. Hands utilized on reverses as a runner at times. Slot wide receiver that works in the middle of the field really well. Creates separation with his quickness. He's got a subtle shoulder fake at the top of his routes. Puts a lot of pressure on secondaries with his long speed. I think the route tree can be refined, but he is explosive.
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D
That's Virginia Tech.
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E
Yep, no doubt. Transfer from Middle Tennessee State where he played three years. Made 20 starts over the last couple years with Virginia Tech. Also a kick return specialist there for, for Jalen Lane. He's not a contested catch guy. The size will hurt him on that. But he is really, really good in space.
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B
All right, so last three picks, Sampson to Tennessee. Jalen Travis, Iowa State offensive tackle. Anybody want to talk about Jalen Travis before we move on? He goes to the Colts at 127.
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E
Yeah, I mean Jalen Travis, he was.
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B
Kind of high almost.
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E
He graduated from Princeton with a degree from anthropology. He's a smart dude. Then he transfers to Iowa State. This was the football and basketball player of the year in high school at De La Salle in Minnesota. He's a mammoth human being. I mean 6, 8, 3, 39, just a very difficult mass of humanity to get around. Quick kick, slide to get to his spot and pass pro. Fast and violent hands. He's a pretty fluid athlete for his size. He really, really is. I think he's better in pass protection than he is as a run blocker.
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B
Brian?
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D
Yeah, I kind of feel like though that me that I've got a couple other guys better than him on the board when he's sitting there. That's what I was thinking. But you're right about the athletic ability with, with Travis and stuff. And you can see right here, this guy's 680, 339 pounds. You worry about him being maybe a little bit slow footed, but that's a pretty good adjust right there. When a guy crosses his face and been able to, to make sure that he handles it. That 10 time at 18 0, that's a little bit of a concern right there. But, but like I, I really do like Lunt and they might not like Lunt because he's a little bit of a lighter guy.
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E
He is.
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D
And then, you know, when you, when you start to, to when you start to, you know, I always talk about this. The trouble that I have with some of these, with some of these offensive linemen is they're, they get too light at tackle and then they, you know, but then they end up playing really, really well. This kid is mammoth.
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E
I just want to. The Chargers pick with Cal Kernard. I know you're breaking it down. Vauch. I think he's going to be one of the best pass rushers from this class. He might end up being like a situational pass rusher because you're right against the run he needs to improve the there. But he can be a game wrecker. Like there are times in South Carolina he takes over.
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D
I'm going to change the subject on this thing real quick if I could. Kyle, I'm, I'm sorry about this, but when we get to Dallas, is there a point in time. I guarantee you Jerry Jones is sitting in that room right now arguing for Shador Sanders.
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A
They had a conversation yesterday and this.
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D
Is what I wonder. This is what I wondered. We talked about Dallas drafting their board. That really they're not interested. You know, we, we've kind of talked about, about hey, vouch, it's going to be a running back. We're talking about a wide receiver than eight. For a team that's drafting their board. Is there a point in time where Shador Sanders makes absolute sense for them?
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I got a two on them. So if you're in the.
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D
I've got him. I'm just myself. I've got to miss the 20th best player. I think Shador Sanders should have been drafted by now. I absolutely. The ability and stuff. I listen. You could talk about all the other things. One of your best players is one of the best media people in the country. And when you start to talk about Michael Parsons, he, he. These players have other interests now. They do other things. Do they love football? They, yeah, they play hard. You know all those things. You know the. Do you want the Hollywood quarterback Bill Parcels? I think there's a point in time now where Shador Sanders does fit what you're trying to do now. And, and we talk about the lottery ticket. We talk about taking the chance. We talk about, we talk about the coach walking in there, Dick Rabine at New England. The one day when he walked into, into New England and Scott Pioli told him, hey, Dick, we're going to take a quarterback here. He says, listen, take that Tom Brady guy, if you would. For me. There comes a point in time where if you're just drafting your board and you're true to your board and you keep passing over that tag and Jerry will say it, hey, I've got. I've got a quarterback under contract. Contract. You know, I traded for another guy. But does it, does it make sense to have a little competition there? Does it make a sense to have the guy in there that maybe you don't have to have right now, but you kind of keep working with him?
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B
I think it makes total X's and O's sense. You're not committed to those quarterbacks. You're not committed to all those guys. Teddy Buchanan.
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A
No.
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E
To the Ravens.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You've got to be another good linebacker.
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D
That's. That's the team I'd like to work.
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B
Continuing the conversation, though.
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D
Yeah. I just wanted to throw that out there for the discussion.
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B
And it is a definite discussion. If you're Brian Schottenheimer in your first year as a head coach and we've seen it through the first three picks of this draft, the number one thing you have looked for outside of good football players is culture.
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Culture.
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B
Number one thing, does Shedeur Sanders disrupt that some what. He may not. He's not in the building. You don't know how he would react with the players and the guys that are here. And there's an established hierarchy when it comes to the quarterback position. It is Dak Prescott than everybody else that is.
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Dec is the toughest dude in the world. Agreed.
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B
Mentally, it would not hurt him to have him in the building.
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A
If, if Sanders is here. He's fighting Milroe and Greer.
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C
Yes.
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A
I don't think Dak loses a bit of sleep about Sanders being here. And honestly, if I'm doing. Let's keep it a buck for a second. Y' all want to be honest?
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B
Yeah. Be honest.
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A
When a thousand media people walk in.
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D
Yeah.
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A
And they walk to the Sanders locker and not the Prescott locker, he's not gonna be. I think he takes a deep breath about this.
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C
Yep.
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D
Yep.
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A
Boy, go talk to him. Let me chill and let me focus on what I'm focusing on. Go talk to. Go talk to our third string quarterback. Go have a press conference with our third string quarterback. Knock yourself out. I don't think it's gonna bother. I think it. It only depends on who's your starting quarterback. Quarterback. And four is as mentally still as you as you could possibly get. I don't even think it's going to be a problem.
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E
There's a case to be made that this is the ideal fit for Shador.
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D
Sanders if they're drafting their board.
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A
Yeah.
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D
I'm just telling you guys, they don't. It's not about need right now. They obviously have plans what they want to do at wide receiver. They potentially have a plan what they want to do at running back. But, man, it just seems like that they're taking the best player on their board. I love what they're doing right now, now with that. And I wonder where his tag is sitting on that board. And is Jerry Jones. We're going to see. We're going to see they get to their pick, and if he's still there, there's going to. We're going to see Jerry get very animated here about that. And so I just. I think there's a point in time where we talk about the lottery ticket. This kid's got a lot of ability. He sure does.
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B
Let's keep it super simple. Us four in the room. Let's say we are in those same shoes. They did not pay us the same paycheck. They do not let us make any decisions. But if we were in that situation, yes or no, he's there. Would you take Shadur Sanders?
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E
Yes. He was the 30th best player on my board.
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A
I'm taking DJ Giddings because we need a damn running back. But if he's on the board at like 204.
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B
So after you take a running back.
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A
After I take a running back and after I made one more pick, 204, we could talk.
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B
Brian.
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D
I'm taking him.
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B
I would take him, too. I would. I think he's. There's a lot that's going to come with it, but that's already what happens when you have the star. Yeah, that's going to happen, period.
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E
Nothing new here.
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B
It's going to be the par for the course. And I agree with what you said. There's an argument that this is the best fit.
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E
Right.
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B
The connection with Dion, the connection with the star, the connection with this building specifically, and the brash media circus that comes with it, this could be the perfect fit. And if it's there at 149, I know you need a running back. I would love a running back. And if they take one, I'm not going to be upset. But if you're talking about Shador Sanders and he ends up being there at 149, take the player now there's your chance.
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E
You might not have to take him there to watch his point. Arash Marci, who covers this thing for espn, said, he's good. He asked a scout about Shador and the scout returned with, I know you're focused on him with each passing pick, but you'd be amazed at the number of teams that don't even have him on their board. They're not even considering him.
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B
Maybe not.
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E
He's not a part of their conversations. And apparently he, he just didn't handle himself well in these pre draft interviews. He just would refuse to talk with teams that he deemed already had quarterbacks and that turned a lot of people off. But with the Dallas Cowboys, you have a quarterback that does not care, that is not going to be phased. And Brian, you came from Green Bay where they would throw darts at quarterbacks every draft. Darts, you hit the middle, boom. Quarterbacks are gold. You all of a sudden have a Milton and a Shador Sanders. Maybe one ends up being your parent of the next franchise quarterback or, or maybe one showcases enough talent, you can then exchange that for more draft capital or something else. Play the game a little bit. There is. It's never bad to go ahead and take the quarterback. It's the most important position and if you don't have one, you are dead.
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D
The egg on the egg on your face is if you draft him in the first or second round and it doesn't work, the egg on the face of the 49ers is the, you know, the core Lance is Trey Lance, you know, the egg of the face. Taking a quarterback in the fifth round, that could potentially be just outstanding, you know, and I get it, people, they might, other teams might not like his ability. Quarterback Zach said it before, quarterbacks are hard to draft, man, but this kid has a lot of talent. He's got poise, he's got, you know, he's just, he's got toughness. His teammates gravitate towards him, you know, yeah, he's, he's got a lot of things going on outside, but man, if there's anybody that could handle the hot light of that spotlight, it's that kid. And I would, I would in the fifth round if Jerry Jones is going to fight for him, I'd be shoulder to shoulder with Jerry on this one for that point alone, because we're drafting our board right now. If we're true to who we are drafting our board and the way it's worked out for us so far, we need to consider Shador Sanders here in the Fifth round if it gets to that.
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B
All right, the most recent pick to fly off the board. Let's actually do the last two. The Eagles at 130 or excuse me, the jets at 130. They traded with the Eagles. They take Malachi Moore, safety from Alabama. One pick later at 1:31, the Saints take Quincy Riley, corner from Louisville. We have to step aside almost at the end of the fourth round. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 105. Three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com Lowe's knows Sundays are for football. So tackle your home improvement projects by.
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D
Foul.
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B
Let's save the Quincy Riley conversation for the radio site because I know he was a name that was hot around cowboy circles. Let's talk about Malachi Moore, safety out of Alabama. I know you guys had watched him. He was one of the, he was the second highest remaining safety on my board behind Sebastian Castro from Iowa, who is still sitting out there. He was one of the emotional leaders of the Alabama defense.
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A
Mora was.
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B
Does anybody want. I want to talk about what he.
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A
Brought to the table.
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D
You have to have more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be happy to. I'm sorry, I was working on some other things there. Malachi Starks, I went to another.
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A
More, more, more, more, more. Hold on one second here, I'll buy you some time.
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D
No, I got right here. High level competitor. This guy mixed up. He's 511, he's 197. He, he, he plays bigger than he looks. He's got solid range both underneath and from the post to get to the outside of the number numbers. He's aggressive against the run. He wastes little time. His the way he's able to key read process, he flows, he can beat blocks. He did a much better job. Like when you were watching him, you know, the LSU game, the Georgia game, stuff like that. He kind of got, he got better when it came to his ability to kind of see some of the things that was, that were happening to him. I think when he looks at some of the routes, he matches up against a lot of the tight ends. I was watching him in that LSU game. Georgia's got a, of, couple, couple of tight ends that he's that he had to deal with. But sometimes they try and play him in the slot and it really, really doesn't work out for him. You know, he. There's just not that suddenness to recover and stuff tends to work against bigger guys, those tight ends and stuff. But when Alabama, they kind of got in that role where they were playing those safeties and slots and it just wasn't this kid just. He just didn't have it all that. But he's very, very willing as a run defender and teams will love the competitive edge he brings to the field in that way.
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B
When you look at what he's done over the five seasons, it's likely that you would see him in a different spot than he was on the snap before. Talked about that versatility, man, it felt like every time I turned on the film, he was somewhat different. He was somewhere around whether it was the Auburn game or the LSU game, the Georgia game or Texas A and M. I mean, I felt like he was all over the place. He finished with 170 tacks, tackles, 21 pass breakups, seven interceptions over his time in Tuscaloosa. He was one of those guys that stuck around between the Saban administration and the DeBoer administration there in Tuscaloosa. A quick recognition trigger to run downhill. Good ball skills. Overall communication was a plus as well. That's why he was one of those leaders. The size is a question. The long speed didn't match the motor to me at times, but I thought overall he's a safety that, that fits in whatever system you're going to put them in.
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E
Yeah, it might be super wrong on him. I mean, he's got. He does move around a ton and he gets everybody lined up and I mean he can get himself just watched and taken out of plays in the run game. I'm not always sure how much he really wants to fight off a block to play against the run, but he is good in coverage. He's got sideline to sideline range. But I just don't think he's a guy that wants anything to do with playing in the box. But he does have versatility on the back end. So, I mean, look at this point in the draft, I had him in the fifth, but you're talking about a mid fourth rounder. Why the heck not?
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A
I'm not really like safety's at all. Yeah, right around this range. Like Castro maybe is like the last guy that I would think about. He's the last guy could possibly like. But no, I'm not. I'm not digging in on safety, right.
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E
But my favorite guy going to the Ravens, the Teddy Buchanan. That, that shit just.
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B
You want to talk about him? We haven't hit him yet. Linebacker from Cal.
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E
He's just a man. I love Teddy Buchanan out of Cal. You watch him and he's very much. He shows off a little Eric Hendricks like ability and he does have the hair when he's playing at Cal, so maybe that's it. But the instincts that he plays with, the processing. He's the quarterback of the defense. He's got range, he covers ground with ease. He's a player you're instantly drawn to when you're watching him play. I mean, it's like he's making every play on the field. It's 1 versus 11. He can drop back into zone coverage. He's able to run with backs and tight ends. Quarterback spy blitzer can run the alley. Consistent tackler. I didn't see a lot of weaknesses in his game. I think he's going to end up now. Ivan Pace Jr. Was short and undrafted, but now he's one of the more productive linebackers in the NFL. At Minnesota, this kid had the size at 6, 2, 2, 33. But now you're taking him in the fourth round and I think he's going to end up arguably being the best linebacker.
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A
He's a little, you know, he's a little thicker, so that'll, that'll help him, you know, thump at the next level as well. I'm a, I'm a big fan of Teddy, man. Teddy's one of the last guys that I thought that processed well, that ran well and that hit well. Some of these other linebackers, you get one thing and don't get the other. So, you know, he was, he was one of my last guys that I was really a fan of. But I don't even know if the Cowboys are looking at linebacker. Do you think that the Cowboys are.
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B
Not at this point, not even like a team they've traded for their guys? Yeah, I felt pretty good about it.
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A
Cut me off again.
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B
Rolling on with round number four. Here is the Kansas City Chiefs selection at 133.
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A
Kingdom is here and the German arrowheads are ready for the next. With the 133rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Jalen Royce, white receiver.
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D
Go get him, Andy.
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B
Wow. Andy Reid.
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D
Go get him, Andy.
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E
Doing it's gonna be an absolute savage.
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B
That was the highest rated non Shador Sanders player remaining on my board. I wonder if it was the same for you guys. Utah State wideout Jalen Royals goes 133 overall to the Kansas City Chief. This is such a good fit for them.
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Had vertical speed, yak thumping. He's physical to be a vertical speed guy. Like, you know, he's, he's, he's running through dbs and once he gets the ball in his hand, he's looking to run guys over. I got a second round grade on him, man. And so to get him here in the fourth I'm like, geez bro.
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E
He reminded me a little bit of Steve Smith when you just watched him play. That thick build, the elusiveness in the open field, the tunnel screens the bunch sets, can play in, out, works the middle of the field with slants and drag. Super tough. Tough. He's not scared to take a hit. He's going to go after the ball. Strong runner with speed to pull away from the defense. Now at 6 foot, if it's a 50, 50 ball sometimes he'll lose out on that. He doesn't always create the best separation, but he didn't play with a great quarterback so he's used to having to be a bad ball catcher. Can work back to the football. I think he's a shifty route runner. The body controls there. Adds value as a kick return. I don't have any doubt this kid's going to be successful. And now he's going to your guy Andy Reid with Patrick Mahomes. This dude's going to end up being an absolute star.
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D
Yeah, I tell you what, I really he was guy as well as I had a second round grade on. I was thinking guy. You're probably a little high on him, Brian, but not really. When you start comparing him to the other receivers that were in that, that stack there. But you guys got him right. This is a good player on a poor team. He's dynamic. The speed he appears bigger guy on tape than how he's really measured there. At 6 foot and 205. I called him a bully. He just runs through press coverage with power. He's not going to be nifty or quick. The way he plays. He could be a bull good route runner. He's asked to do plenty with the Aggies when it comes to their offense. Screens crosser goes. I've seen him make some incredible plays down the field and have some moments where he's had to struggle a little bit. You guys mentioned with the contested catches, but for the most part part, he'll extend his hands, he'll go take the ball in this guy. Reminds me of Jaden Reed when when you watch from Michigan State with the Green Bay Packers. The way he plays. He's just going to go make plays with the ball in his hand. He plays really, really big for him.
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B
Stephen Jones on the phone at the moment. I want to run down Kansas City's draft real quick. Josh Simmons, Ohio State, Noel Williams, Cal Omar, Norman Lott from Tennessee, Jalen Royals from Utah State and then of course Ashton Jalotti who we've talked about a couple times. But man that's four of those five guys are just studs and value in all four of those picks really. Stephen Jones off the phone now. Brian Schottenheimer is not in the room it appears at this point, so not sure if they've made a move now. Mitchell point is leaving the room as well, so it doesn't look like they've made the jump quite yet yet back into the either the tail end of the fourth round. We have five selections remaining, the Broncos, Raiders, Ravens, Seahawks and 49ers. I want to run down the last five selections from those that were listening on the radio side. Ravens at 1:29. Take Teddy Buchanan, linebacker from Cal, Eagles at 1:30. Excuse me, jets at 1:30. They traded into that pick already. They take Malachi Moore, the safety from Alabama, Quincy Riley, corner from Louisville goes to the Saints at 1:31. Ruben Hippolytes, the second linebacker from Maryland goes to the Bears at 132. And then we just heard of Jalen, Royals, wide receiver from Utah State to the Chiefs. Quincy Riley was a name rumored to be interested by the Dallas Cowboys and one of those guys at corner that could have been a possibility. You get your corner yesterday and Savone Revel Jr. Out of East Carolina. Do you feel like Riley was still in play here in day three?
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I think you have to go another corner because we don't know if one I mean Rebel says he'll be ready for camp, but will he be Siobhan Revel?
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B
Sure.
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For camp or even this year. I think you should probably buy yourself a little more time by just drafting another guy that can come play some nickel for you and compete for some outside reps I guess. But Quincy Riley is a dude that could play outside and inside. Great man guy. I thought he was smart, got his hands on the football, competitive as all get out swag at the cornerback position which is important. And I think he's he's a dude that just sees the ball in the air really well. Didn't always catch him, didn't always Catch him. But he at least saw it. I was a fan of him. I got a fourth on him.
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He, I thought he could have gone a little higher than this. He might have fallen a little because he did get flagged for character. But I think he's got fluid hips, recovery speed, the short area, quickness, downhill accelerations there. He closed on the ball really well. A good tackler, his man. Corner and zone ability, he can do both and he trusts his recovery speed maybe too much sometimes because he's a risk taker. But I think his play temperament fit really well to be a slot nickel corner. So he is a guy like if you wanted to double dip botch to your point, I think you could have kicked him inside. But sixth year senior that transferred from Middle Tennessee State, so he's a little bit of an older player. But Quincy Riley at this point I think is tremendous value.
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A
Let me ask y' all another question.
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D
By doubling down, I'm looking at Nichols, by the way.
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E
Robert Longer beam. That's my guy.
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Sure. Cowboy Nation been asking about this. You drafted Donovan with your second round pick. He's a pass rushing fool. We know this. But there's a group of run stopping edges that's kind of later on in this draft. Yeah, you know, and we, we've been, we've been saying, or at least I've been saying, like the Cowboys when they get beat is versus the run. So maybe like later in the rounds, do you think like a Joey Ivey, like a Hass, a Baron Joiner? Do you think that those are guys that, that the Cowboys could look at purely just as a physical rundown edge?
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Possibly. I think you, you could. We heard it from multiple guys that we interviewed this morning. You can't have enough edge.
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E
I mean, how about Fideil Diggs at a Syracuse? Sure, that'd be a good player, Dan.
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B
If value is there, then you can certainly do so. The Raiders at 135. Take Tonka Hemingway.
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E
Tonka, Carol Tonka. That's another one of our senior, our Shrine bowl guys.
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B
What a great name, by the way. Q. Robinson, edge rusher from Alabama, went one pick prior to the Broncos. So now it's the Ravens on the clock at 1:36. As we welcome back in Nick Harris of the Fort Worth Star Telegram. What's going on, Nick?
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What's going on, fellas?
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D
Yeah.
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Ready to roll the rest of the day. Coming up here on the Cowboys pick. I, I, I'm curious to see if maybe they're trying to trade up here.
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E
Oh, okay. Q. Robinson's an interesting player, part time starter. There we're showing the Tonka Hemingway highlights. I mean that dude's an absolute bull there at South Carolina. I think he's got some quickness in the ability when it comes, you see there with the hand fighting, able to get around offensive linemen, the ability to push the pocket. I liked Tonka quite a bit. It's, I mean it wasn't a surprise. North Carolina or South Carolina, excuse me, ended up being one of the hottest teams at the end of the season. But Q. Robinson from Alabama is an interesting player.
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Pure traits, upside, has no clue what he's doing. Yeah, like for real, for real.
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Part time starter, didn't play a ton.
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A
But as a raw I feel like he's got the burst and quickness to get up field and bend. You know, they'll rush him from a gap sometimes off the ball they'll just move him around and just let him be a bursty quick guy. But he, I don't, you know, he doesn't really have a good feel of how to use his hands yet or how to, you know, have moves and counters and things like that. So if you can get the level of pass rushing, he's a damn good just natural pass rush. If you can get that level of him right now, pass rushing. And he has no clue like how to really put it all together. He's, he's, he's, he's pure traits guy, he's upside guy. So maybe in year three, you, you take his natural ability and teach him some things and maybe he'll be a good pass rush for you.
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B
Yeah, you've got Hemingway and Q. Robinson back to back that defensive line taking offense.
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A
One thing about Hemingway too though, Kyle, my fault. Like, like, like Hemingway is another guy that has a lot of room to grow because if you watch his tape, he's a guy that'll probably be a full time BGAP player. But they line him up at 0 and 1 take sometime he kind of gets get pushed around a little bit. He's not a guy that fits nose to me. He's a, he's an upfield, let him go, let him go fly kind of guy. I think he'll be much better in B gap full time. But the war room, what was you saying?
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B
Yeah, just taking a look into the war room again. Schottenheimer not in the war room at the moment and we haven't seen Stephen pick up the phone quite yet. Now Will McClay is making a point on the right side of the room and Having a conversation is now Schottenheimer's back in there too.
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A
So Kyle, we got a. So there's a trade on the board, right? Baltimore's or Tennessee, whoever's moving up, right.
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B
To get back into the fourth, traded from the fifth to get back up into the fourth. They took a five and a six to get there.
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A
To get back in the fourth, swap a five, give away a six.
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B
That's.
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A
That's not a lot, right? That's not really that. Cowboys, what are we doing? You know what we doing? Cowboys.
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B
Well, maybe they're waiting on a player to, to hit a specific spot and then to go.
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A
Yeah, fair enough. It doesn't seem like a whole bunch of to move up in this portion of the. Of the trade chart where it's like single digit numbers damn near almost. You know what I'm saying? Give up those picks.
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B
Here's the Titans at 136.
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A
36 pick to the Tennessee Titans with the 136th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft. The Tennessee Titans select Ellip. I am Manor wide receiver Stanford. Good job.
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B
Was that the highest rated receiver?
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D
That was it. Player number 47.
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E
For me he was, yep. Outside of a mech egg buca, he might be the best blocking wide receiver in the entire draft. And I'm. He should have gotten the heck out of Stanford, dude.
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A
Yeah, yeah. Physical, good size, slant guy, slant guy, slant guy. Man. You watch him versus Colorado, that's the first game I watched from last year. He was kind of just shut out of that game for a while. Travis was over there and you know how that goes. But in the second half of that game racking up 200 yards receiving and he's a, he's a big body yak dude. And that's a common theme amongst the bigger guys that I've seen this year is that they're kind of hard to tackle. AO Manor IO Manor IO Manor. Once he gets moving, it's hard to bring him down, man. I think he was been saying his.
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B
Name wrong the whole draft probably Alec IO Manor.
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A
I am your know, once he, once he gets alienator. Good job, good job. Good luck bringing him down. I wouldn't call him like a super route runner, but he does have some, some smooth savage with a lot of these routes though. I'm a big fan of my. He was my highest rated second round guy. So good, good value here.
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E
He is a certified bad ball catcher this dude is.
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B
I mean he'll go good thing or a bad thing?
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E
I think. Well, it just speaks to the bad quarterback play.
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C
I was trying to see what you were saying. Okay.
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E
I'd say overall, like he's used to having to adjust to the football on the fly and make tremendous one handed catch. I mean he's able to show off the catch radius. I'll say that based on where some of the throws are going. But it's strong possession type of receiver. That'll give you some yak. But he does lack a lead burst and acceleration. But he's got the footwork to win off press. I was a big fan of his.
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B
How about the class that the Titans are putting together for Cam Ward? They took him number one overall. They've since taken I am Anner Gunner Helm Chimray, DK from Florida, Kevin Winston Jr. On the defensive side of the bucket ball along with Oluwafimi Ola Dejo.
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D
Yeah.
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B
As well. Pretty good class overall, top to bottom. I'm trying my best.
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A
No, the.
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D
That's what happens when you have a bad team and they let you pick at the top of the board. You better take advantage of that. Yeah.
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B
Patriots just traded back into the fourth round as well. They traded with the Seattle Seahawks to take pick one number 30, Elliott Wolf and 1:30, John Snyder.
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D
Hooking it up again.
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B
Okay, so The Patriots traded a 5 5, 1 44. That's only five picks away from the Cowboys and then a seventh to move up about seven or eight spots here to get into the fourth round. Same kind of. This is what it would take for Dallas to get back in at this point. Right. Around a sixth or a seventh.
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A
Right.
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B
And then pick swap.
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C
Yeah. And then they have some capital to work with for sure. I also wonder, you know, do they start factoring in what they could potentially getting in the compensatory formula next year?
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A
And that's.
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D
That's where I, I think I would look at it too.
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C
Future Capital.
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D
They're good at doing that. Yeah, they're very good.
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C
But I don't know. I. There's so many running backs on the board, if that's the direction you want to go, that I say let it ride and get your guy or get a guy at. What is this pick about to be? 146. 147. It's 47.
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B
This is 137.
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C
No, I'm saying the Cowboys pick 149. 149. Yeah. I think if you let it ride to 149, you're going to get a really good back there.
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B
Okay.
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C
I mean let's. Let's talk about these backs that are on the board right now.
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B
Tell me your top running backs.
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E
Are you good ones?
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C
Yeah, there's my top back is Damien Martinez out of Miami. It's a guy that they've hosted and had in the facility. Jordan James out of Oregon obviously has a staff connection to wide receivers coach Junior Adams. Devin Neal, three straight 1,000 yard seasons at Kansas. Kyle Manungai, who I think is one of the more complete backs in the class. 0 fumbles and 660, 69 carries. Ollie Gordon, another local guy out of Euless Trinity. He was a Doak Walker winner in 2023. Taj Brooks, big presence. Talk about downhill guy. Five foot nine, 214 pounds. All of these guys are not going to go before 149. I say let it ride and see what's. See what's available. Another fourth round back that I have is Jaden Blue, 5 9, 195. He's got a fumble problem. I don't know if he can be your starting running back, but you know, these are, these are some interesting names that are being. That could be tossed around if the running back position ends up coming about.
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B
I put up Jaden Blue as a possibility there. I know they've kind of had some conversation between internal circles about him. D.J. giddens, Kansas State. I know you were really high.
- [179:06]
E
Yeah, I like DJ Giddens. Rashard Smith from smu. Blue is a medical and character flag.
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A
Oh, okay.
- [179:11]
E
So that might be something to monitor with him.
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A
How many of these running do you guys like that you think won't get drafted? Like just looking at your board, you like them, but you. Maybe you think about their physical traits. Maybe think about how the, how the team view them, views them. How do you. How do you think some of these.
- [179:28]
E
Guys may or may not get like J. Quindon Jackson?
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B
Yeah, that was the first name.
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E
Arkansas. He might be one that doesn't.
- [179:34]
A
Marcus Barnes, Rocket Sanders. How many of those guys you think just. Just won't even.
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B
Donovan Edwards, Michigan Jard Smith, smu.
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C
I wouldn't touch Donovan Edwards. Yeah.
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A
What happened to him? He was. He was like.
- [179:45]
E
Character just sounds broken.
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C
Yeah, it's really. It's really the injury stuff.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Oh, yeah. Well, I was kind of hearing a little bit of both there with him. Yeah.
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B
Joshua Farmer goes off the board. Defensive tackle to the Patriots. That's a steal at 137. Went up to go get Joshua Farmer. All right, so last couple picks here of the fourth round. Raiders take Tonka Hemmingley, defensive tackle from South Carolina. Titans take Ellic IO Manor wide receiver from Stanford. Patriots take Joshua Farmer. And then now the 49ers are on the clock. Final selection of the fourth round. And then the race is on to get to 149. Can the Cowboys have some possibilities there at that 149th pick? Then the wait is over. You've kind of survived the 76 picks that are in between your third round pick and the fifth.
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C
It's setting up so much better than it did last year. You know, last year. Did they just say break?
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B
They did.
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C
Okay.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Yeah. You got it, Kyle.
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B
We'll go ahead and take a break. When we come back, Cowboys getting closer and closer. The fifth round is nearing. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 105. Three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com.
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Partner of the NFL. The first player not on my board taken, Reuben Hypolite, the second out of Maryland, and.
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D
Oh, you actually missed one.
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C
Yeah.
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E
Did anybody win the ticket?
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A
Yeah.
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C
Nobody won it. Nobody wanted. And I actually really wanted somebody, too. You know, that's.
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E
I thought that was really fun bit.
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B
Well, then whoever. Whoever's a.
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C
Shut up.
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B
I want to get it right. Okay. I mean.
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E
Yeah, no, you start the game.
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A
Whatever.
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B
So he put a tweet out there that he said, the first person to name the. A player not on my board, which.
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C
That's the first player not drafted on my board.
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E
Oh.
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B
Which was Reuben Hippolyte II out of Maryland, gets. He's going to buy him two home game tickets to any game next year.
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A
Nick got money.
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B
That's what I said.
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Damn. I believe, boy, they can say what they want. Damn.
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C
No. Oh, they were going to be in the three hundreds. They were going to be in the building, you know.
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B
You know?
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D
Yeah.
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B
You get the standing room.
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D
All the Miller Light Club.
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C
Yeah, I'll give them Miller Light Club.
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A
Put it underground.
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C
Yeah. Parking pass. Yeah. They ain't going to have to walk.
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B
Hey, that's a cool spot. Not going to lie, but that would be kind of.
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D
I walked through that chaos getting to the pro spot.
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B
Here's the 49ers selection. Final pick of the fourth round and.
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E
What an amazing place to be here.
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A
In Green bay, where the 49ers and the packers have had some amazing 49.
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D
Amazing.
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C
And with shout out to our boy, Lori Haresh.
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A
Absolutely. NFL Draft.
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E
The San Francisco 49ers select Jordan Watkins, wide receiver, Mississippi.
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C
Oh, that's such a good pick for the Niners. I love Jordan Watkins. Can I speak on him for a bit? Yeah. This is, this is a guy that I put a. A fourth round grade on. I felt a little higher than most. Transferred from Louisville. So that really talented offense at Louisville, he took that into the sec. He's a Louisville native slot weapon that. That exploded for multiple big plays in 2024. He led all of college football last year with five catches of 60 or more yards. In a game against Arkansas, he had eight receptions for 254 yards and five touchdowns. And that's an SEC competition. He's a slippery ball carrier, tough to bring down. Down plays bigger than he is. At 5 foot 11, 196, he fights forward for extra yardage. I really like this pick and man, that's, that's going to be a fun weapon for, for the 49ers.
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B
He led the SEC in receiving touchdowns last year.
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C
Yeah, he did five and one game. That probably put him like third.
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E
That'll help you.
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B
Yeah. Touchdown every five and a half receptions on average.
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C
Yeah, he's.
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B
He's a beast inside outside player.
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E
Yeah, he's fun.
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B
You talked about his punt returning.
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C
I did not. Go ahead.
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B
Oh, he's electrifying. As a punt returner. He had like 8 yards per return and he had a touchdown as well. 291 yards total on the year. As a punt returner, not a kick returner. Something significant in the SEC to keep a look at. And he did have that big touchdown as well.
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A
Is there a wide receiver left?
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B
No.
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That you guys think can maybe down the line develop into somebody that's interesting for you.
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D
Kobe Nash.
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I'm looking at my.
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D
Excuse me. Hudson. Yeah, Hudson.
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E
I'd put both in Kobe Hudson and Nick Nash.
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C
I was about to say. How about Tori Hortons?
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E
Those are the three. Those are the three for me.
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B
Horton's the one guy I'm looking at.
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A
What do you guys think about Wells from Ole Miss?
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E
Man, I watched him two years ago.
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D
Gotta watch it.
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E
South Carolina.
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South Carolina.
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I thought he was coming out and then he ended up transferring. Yeah, because he just didn't play a lot at Ole Miss. There. There are traits that I like about him, but I. I don't know that he's really going to be any different to kind of what you've already got on the rock. You know, it'd kind of be like draft. I think Ryan Flournoy might have had more upside than what he's got because he's a smaller player.
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B
You know, I want to throw Keandre Lambert Smith out there as a date, like a later day guy. I'm not right now. I had a fifth on him, but I put him in the magazine as a Cowboys fit. Just because if you're not going to go wide receiver early, then he could be a guy that I think you could transform into a rotational piece. I compared him to Jalen Brooks, same kind of role.
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Sure.
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I was six one kind of thing.
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Deep ball guy.
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Yeah.
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C
Got one for you out of the break too.
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B
Wide receiver.
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E
I got to talk. Joshua Farmer, though.
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D
Yeah.
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B
The fourth round is officially in the books. The Dallas Cowboys are on the clock in 10 selections as we move into round five of the 2025 NFL Draft. Alongside Zach Wolczyk, Vox Lombardi, Brian Broadus with Nick Harris. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. Riding through the next couple of hours. We are an hour four of draft coverage here on this Saturday. On the clock. Currently the first pick of the fifth round, the Minnesota Vikings. Let's run down the last five selections of the fourth round starting with the Broncos 134. They take Q. Robinson, edge rusher from Alabama. The Raiders at 135. Take Tonka Hemingway, defensive tackle from South Carolina. The Titans at 136. Take Ellic IO Manor, wide receiver from Stanford. Patriots at 137. Take Joshua Farmer, defensive tackle from Florida State. And then the final pick of the fourth round, the San Francisco 49ers select Jordan Watkins, wide receiver from Ole Miss. We were talking wide receiver on the stream side of things. If you're listening on the radio, you can hear all the way through the breaks and everything. More our entire coverage on Dallas Cowboys.com and on the website for 1053, the fan as well. The Odyssey app streaming live throughout the weekend. Nick, you said you had a wide receiver to maybe keep an eye on here on day three.
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C
Yeah, late day three or potentially early in the UDFA market connection to Junior Adams. Just kind of connecting two dots here. Trayshawn Holden out of Oregon. Six foot two, 205 pounds, big body target. He's average speed, average athleticism. That's. That's probably why we're talking late day three, but he has production at all three levels. I, I think it's worth A pick when you see his frame and his film and the, the experience with Junior Adams, Alabama transfer. Now, there's probably some, some things that, you know, they're going to have to look into when it comes to his past. In 2022, he was arrested on three charges, including an unlawful use of a weapon. He did have all those charges dismissed, but I'm sure there's homework being done, done by teams to, you know, see what that's about and go moving forward. But they have a really good insight in a guy like Junior Adams to be able to account for that.
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How do you get weapon charges in the South? Man, I just got questions for y'. All.
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C
That was in Oregon.
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A
Oh, you can't do that in Oregon. Oh, no, no, you can't do that in Oregon.
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E
No, no, no.
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B
I know you know the rules.
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D
No, no, no.
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A
I know the laws. You can't. No, no, no.
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E
I cannot be doing that.
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B
I know you wanted to talk about Joshua Farmer, defensive tackle, Florida State. Now a New England Patriot. Zach?
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E
Yeah, I think he's a steal for New England here. Four years senior, earned their Bobby Bown Leadership Award. Eight TFLs, four sacks. Had seven TFLs and five sacks the year before in his junior season. He displays tremendous first step quickness. He plays out of a four point stance. I think he's got a balanced combination of power and speed. The power is in the hands to shock the lineman at point of attack. He can get off blocks. Natural bender to be able to get leverage to rip under blocks. He can play high at times, but I think the spin moves really nice, can work stunts, loops around, high effort play. I love the ability that he has to consistently be disruptive. He's strong against the run. I think he's just an all around player. I might have liked him more than others did. I'd have taken him even higher than this. But Joshua Farmer, I think is a really, really good pick. Late in the fourth round for Mike Vrabel in the New England Patriots defense.
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Farmer got sacks running down the middle of people, you know what I'm saying? He didn't have all of the technical things that came along with it, but I think if you just teach him how to use those hands and refine them a little bit because his hands are powerful and you see flashes of that. But he's, he doesn't do it all the time. Like, man, if you can make those flashes a lot more constant, Josh farm be beating the hell out of people, man. But you know, we just need to see, see See it more often. But I think this is a steal right here.
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B
The first two picks of the fifth round are in. Tyrion Ingram Dawkins. Is it Tyrion? Tyrion. I don't have that pronunciation in front of me.
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E
Tyrion.
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B
Tyrion Ingram Dawkins, defensive tackle from Georgia. Georgia Panthers take at 140. Cam Jackson, defensive tackle from Florida. So back to back D tackles to start the fifth round here. The Ravens at 141 have their pick in as well. I know Ingram Dawkins was a combine standout, Nick. When it came to some of the testing that he put on the table.
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C
Yeah, played most of his career as a defensive end actually at 6 5, 276.
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B
But they listed him as a D tackle.
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C
Yeah, there's, there's versatility inside. I, I'd like to add some weight here and make him him like a 35 tech. But he's got grown man strength burst. It can be utilized in the interior. And yeah, like you said, showed out at the combine testing was pretty, pretty phenomenal and it put him on the map as a day three pick. If he can retain that athleticism with some added weight, you could really have a weapon here. Whenever I was evaluating him, he, he just reminds me a lot of the Chauncey Golston interior D line experiment. And I put in my notes, think if Chauncey Golston's experiment actually worked until. So I, he kind of gives me some similar vibes there.
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B
So the pick is in for Baltimore, the Cowboys, right around nine selections away at the moment at 149. Brian, where do you feel like Dallas is looking at their board currently?
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D
Well, we have to think about the running back situation here. You know, is there we kind of determined that there's not a wide receiver that we're in love with with. Maybe they have somebody that we're really not thinking about. But the running back room looks like to me we're the highest rated players. And again, this is just on my board right now and there's a lot of backs that you'd absolutely love to have. I think with Neil, Giddings, Martinez, I mean depending on the style of runner you want, the physicality you want. There's catchers, there's quickness, there's finishers. I think this thing kind of bodes pretty well for the Cowboys to go out there and get somebody that on my personal board, a fourth round pick here in the fifth round we were kind of worried what running backs were going to fall from the four to the fifth. And in this case, my board, I know, is holding together pretty well there for guys like you. Say whichever you want to go.
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C
I hate to cut us off here. Can we get the war Room cam by chance?
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B
Yes, we can. The Raven selection at 141.
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A
Whoa.
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B
Very cool.
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C
Cool.
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B
What is that?
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Let me see.
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B
They all have T shirts on. They're orange T shirts.
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A
Your light lives on in all of us.
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D
Huh?
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C
Can you read this for the former staffer that passed away, Brian?
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D
Which one?
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C
The one that passed away last week. You had the info on that cct?
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A
The. There's some.
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D
Did I have the information on that? It wasn't me.
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B
I haven't had had it.
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D
I haven't either.
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C
Yeah, you talked about it. I'm sorry, I'm just blanking on the name right now. It's been a long, long weekend.
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E
Oh, the strength and conditioning coach.
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D
Oh, Joe Jurassic.
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C
Yeah, but it says cct. Cct. We are some great journalists right now.
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B
This is a leaguewide thing.
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E
It's a league. Awareness.
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B
It's very cool to see. To see everybody wearing the T shirts. Everybody's got them on in the war room.
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D
Okay. Yeah. Joe Jurassic did. He was a former strength coach that did. Did pass away. I'm sorry, I was confused.
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C
No, you're okay.
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D
You're okay. But the shirts threw me off. I'm sure somebody will walk a note into us here, what we've. What we got.
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B
Is this why you wanted to look at the war room, or did you have a specific look that you wanted to see?
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E
Oh, so we just had a trade with the Vikings going to get Sam Howell from Seattle.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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E
And they're swapping picks 142 and 172. So Minnesota, I guess, adding to that quarterback room with JJ McCarthy, now they add Sam Howell here. And that makes sense. With Seattle having just taken Jalen Milroe, that'll be the guy that they can kind of groom and develop behind Sam Darnold.
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B
So basically it's quarterback swap between Minnesota and Seattle. Yeah. And Sam Howell. They trade. Sam's at the quarterback position. And so at 142, the Ravens trade out. Or, excuse me, the Vikings trade out of that. The Sky Seahawks have him on the clock. The Ravens the pick prior to Carson Vincent, offensive tackle from Alabama A and m. Yeah.
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A
At 141, Carson Vincent was a Senior bowl guy, and I had never heard of him because he's Alabama A and M guy. But he showed up and he has some really good reps versus some good competition there. Great size, great feet. But y' all want to know something very interesting about the kid. Y' all ready?
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B
What's that?
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E
Let's do it.
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A
He watches Vash Lombardi on YouTube. Oh, hey.
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C
He's great already.
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A
When I. He's got good taste. Hall of Famer.
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B
Fortunate he's not here.
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Hall of Famer. When I broke down the film, the Senior bowl film, he jumped in the comments and said, hey, Vosh, I've been watching you for a long time, and it's cool to see you break down my film because I've been watching you do these videos. So shouts out to Carson Vincent and shouts out to vosh Lombardi on YouTube. Vochlow N B A R D I if y' all want to go tap in. There you go.
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B
Here's the Seahawks selection. At 142, Stephen Jones is back on.
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A
The phone as proud partners of the Seattle Seahawks.
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C
Excited, we are here to announce the.
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A
Seahawks next pick for the 12s everywhere.
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B
And with the 142nd pick in the.
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A
2025 draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Riley Mills, defensive end from Notre Dame.
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D
There you go.
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A
All right, Mitchell.
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D
Go Bradley Mills.
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E
Take him and then I'll. I'll bring up Cam Jackson, who he had a couple picks ago.
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C
I had a third on him.
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A
He literally runs through people and they hang on to his body, and he keeps running through other people like he drags.
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D
You got it, Vaj.
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A
Go ahead.
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D
Keep going, Keep going.
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A
Nah, man. Fantastic verse to run, man. Decent athleticism for his size. When I saw him, not one to one comparison, I was like, man, he's doing jjy things right now with how he's punching the hell out of people and the great athleticism and the great movement. They'll put him in a gap, B gap. They'll put him at five and stand him up. I think he'll be a good, odd front guy if he's just two gapping people. But he's really sold on his movement for his size and those powerful hands and that really good length. I'm a fan of him.
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E
Yeah, he can bully people. Yeah, he was on that Bruce Feldman's freak list.
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C
Look at that.
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A
Look at that. Look at that center that was just hanging on the back of him on his way to the running back. He picks these offensive linemen up and they carry him. They walk together to the ball. Carry.
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E
Also a team captain guy.
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C
This guy's a freak.
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A
Good character. Does he watch film by himself?
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B
He watches Fox Lombardi shouts out to Riley Mills, watches him on YouTube. YouTube. Dolphins on the clock. Their pick is in at 1:43. Then it goes back to the Seahawks, Eagles, Patriots, 49ers, Bears, and then the Cowboys. Nick, do you feel like Seattle could be a spot where Dallas can get some value here? Maybe jump in front of some of these other teams because the Seahawks just took Riley Mills. Do you feel like they don't want to pick twice in three selections and Dallas commanders.
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C
I don't know why they wouldn't. I think, I think if you're the Cowboys again, just stick and pick and take a running back.
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E
Yeah, yeah, there's a.
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C
You're going to have a guy there. Just, just stick. I saw Stephen Jones on the phone there.
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D
Yeah, there's no reason, there's absolutely no reason to do that. I mean there's no reason to move now. If you're holding on a running back, just stand there and maybe those, those fists will benefit you later on in the draft, you know.
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E
So yeah, I'd like to pick the twice here in the round.
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D
Gordon Phillips with the Dolphins.
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E
So we've had two defensive tackles go here. Cam Jackson into the Panthers was a guy that big body run defender and that's what he is. I mean that, that guy is just a strong player, bull rush, slow when in space. He's a lumber. Right. He's not a guy that's going to move up the field at all. Doesn't have a ton of pass rush. True one tech. He's going to hold his ground and just absolutely consume running backs. But Jordan Phillips, I had him as potentially a third round player.
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D
I'm the fourth. Yeah.
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A
Myself. My gosh, trade him and CJ Whooped everybody.
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E
Yeah, they did. They did. They were our Shrine bowl guys and maybe that made me get a soft spot for him. But I loved Jordan Phillips ability to pass rush and win and get up the field. He's also physically pretty imposing.
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B
Yeah, the Browns just traded out of that Seattle pick. So Seattle's out of there. The Browns are on the clock. Currently their pick is in. We're going to step aside so that way we get the Cowboys selection. Their first on day three is nearing. You're listening to the 2024 NFL Draft on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot com. All right, so Seattle does indeed get out of there so they don't pick twice in three selections. They took Riley Mills jumped up in order to make that selection. They may. They must have felt like the Dolphins wanted a defensive tackle so they went and got Mills and then turned around and of course the Dolphins took Jordan Phillips. All right.
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C
We're about to have some fun with this Cleveland pick.
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B
Yeah, you think so? Are you looking ahead?
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D
Of course.
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C
Say that again.
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B
You looking ahead?
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C
What do you mean?
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B
Ahead at the draft before it gets announced.
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C
No, I'm just saying he's looking ahead.
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B
He's looking ahead.
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D
Quarterback's about to get taken here. I have a feeling the way. The way he's not saying anything. I think this quarterback's about to get taken.
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B
Shador. You think he goes to the Browns? To the Browns?
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D
I think so.
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C
They already have Dylan Gabriel in the Strat, too. Oh, my gosh. Joe Flacco.
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D
Why not?
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C
A million dollars to. A billion dollars to Deshaun Watson.
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D
Yeah.
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B
Do you think Sanders is a Browns thing to do?
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Do you think Sanders is feeling like, bleep y', all, like, don't draft me. And then let me just.
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D
Like, is there. Is there a way I can go back to college?
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E
Yeah, I just said. Somebody asked me that. Like, do you think that it's possible that he just sends a memo out to the league and is like, don't take me.
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D
Take me out of the draft?
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E
Because one, you could either be undrafted and then you can kind of choose where you go. I suppose.
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D
I think he's committed. Right.
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Or I don't. Yeah, I don't think he can go back. I don't think he can go back to school.
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C
My God, they traded for Kenny Pickett, too. They're gonna have five quarterbacks at camp.
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E
Joe Flacco.
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D
Wow.
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Via Todd Archer. If you're watching the Cowboys draft room camera, the T shirts they are wearing are a tribute to the wife of Colts director of college scouting Matt Turpenning. Coral Turpining passed away a few weeks ago. Tragically, Brian Schottenheimer was close with Turpening and his time in Indianapolis.
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B
Okay, good to see.
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D
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
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B
Context from Todd Archer there. It is a cool look for sure. League wide thing honoring the. The. You said it was the Turpenning family.
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D
Yes.
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C
Correct.
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B
Yeah.
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D
Very cool.
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B
All right.
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C
Did you know him at all, Brian?
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D
I did.
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A
Okay.
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D
I did. Absolutely. Long time guy. Long time guy.
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B
Browns, Eagles, Patriots, 49ers, Bears, and then the Cowboys there at 149. I think at this point, you're looking at a running back and siever.
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C
I mean, they've gone defense so heavy. I have to think this is an offensive weapon.
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D
Yeah. This. Do we talk about our Oregon wide receiver? I know we talked about another Johnson. You talked about Ted Johnson?
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E
Yeah, Ted Johnson. I mean, the only thing with Tez that I wondered about is do you have like, in Kevante Turpin? Is that too similar?
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C
Sure.
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I think. I think. I think Tez is a different, different type of route runner than Turp. I think Turpin is like, go this way fast.
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E
Yeah.
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I think Tez is like, I'll set you up in my routes and quickly do this. And I think that benefits Dak a little bit as a quicker route running. Like Cole Beasley type. Like, he does a little bit more than that, but like a Cole Beasley type of guy. Just as a route runner that just gets open. Yeah. Tez isn't fast moving forward, but Tez is quick moving sideways, super duper twitchy. And I don't think Turpin is the route technician right now that, you know, Tez is. So they're different. I just don't know if the Cowboys would want to go another player that size. But the Cowboys got a bunch of big wide receivers right now, so there can be some. Some room for all of them. But as just looking at my board, Cowboy Nation don't want to hear this, but some of my best rated players are a left tackle and a center and a right guard. I know we just went Tyler Booker, you know, at 12, so I'm not going to talk about that, but yeah.
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Marcus Bowe. Marcus Bowe, Chase Lee blunt and Seth McLaughlin.
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C
I have a second on me.
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There's some offensive line I like right here, man. And there's. And the running backs are there. I get that. Get your running backs. Maybe if you want to run stopping edge guy. There's a bunch of those guys that's just bunched in there. But the board's kind of been leading you this way. If you want a nickel corner, there's some nickel corners there.
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D
They've been picking their board. They really haven't thought much about taking needs drafting their board.
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Care nothing about the knee. They're.
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E
They're milking this Browns pick. You know who it is?
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A
Is.
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B
Yeah, it's kind of taking their time. Taking their time. Sweet, sweet time. Which means we're getting very close to the Cowboys actually being on the clock because the. The draft doesn't stop. It's going to continue. And of course, the. The media side is going to be down to it. All right, here's the Brown selection at pick 144. Is this the moment.
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A
The Seattle Seahawks have traded the 100 144th pick to the Cleveland Browns with the 144th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Shador Sanders.
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B
Quarterbacks galore.
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A
Good for him.
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B
Throw the darts at the dartboard and Shadore Sanders is now a part of the Cleveland Brown rounds. We've talked about it to this point. The value just happens to be there. And the value was too good for Cleveland to pass up at 144 in the fifth round. Closing in very quickly on the 149th selection of the NFL Draft. The Cowboys on the quarterback clock in the next five picks. And if it was a conversation initially, it is a conversation no longer before the Cowboys make it to 1:49. At 1:44, the Cleveland Browns select quarterback from Colorado, Shador Sanders. Traded up with Seattle to go get him. Brian, you thought that he was a second round player, dropped far too long and he ends up in the fifth round here to Cleveland.
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D
Yeah, this is. There's a lot of guys, guys and gals in that war room right now that are probably pretty happy and I'll tell you why. Because they don't have to deal with Jerry Jones right now. You know what I'm saying? And he's probably, you know, he would be chirping the whole time about this. Are we really thinking about this? What are we thinking about here? We have this guy here on our board. Are we going to really do this? You know, now that he's gone, I think that's made everybody kind of took a collective deep sigh. And now, okay, let's focus on what we need to do here at our. Yeah, let's go.
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B
And that pretty much pigeonholes it at running back. And at this point you can also talk about still picking for need, but also looking at your board.
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D
Right? Yeah, because. Absolutely.
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B
Because of the way that the running back position has worked out. We've talked about it on the podcast.
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D
I'd be happy to run a ride now. And there's really good runners.
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A
There's some really good runners.
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E
Most of the best ones are what's here right now and terms of going bpa. That's what I mean. You're right about the lineman. I mean, Marcus Bowe, Chase Lunt, Seth McLaughlin, Miles Frazier from LSU.
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B
And you could address that in your second pick of the fifth round.
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E
Sure.
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B
If you wanted to. Or maybe stretch running back. I want to run down the names that are still available here on the board. I'm just going to start reading off. If anybody wants to stop me on a player they want to talk specifically on, let me know. Devin Neal from Can Stop Play, man. Yeah, you like Devin Neal can run.
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A
I do like Devin throwing passes. Let him be good contact balance guy. Draft that dude. Go ahead, keep. All right.
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B
Jordan James, Oregon.
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A
Stop. He's another guy. Contact balance. Physical, physical. You know we talked about pairing the scheme with the offensive line with the runner. I think it's a fantastic balance. Keep on going.
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E
You remember Julius, his brother Thomas Jones? Yeah, I kind of remind me of him.
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B
Okay, I could see that. Ollie Gordon ii, Oklahoma State. Keep going, keep on talking. All right, Taj Brooks, Texas Tech stuff.
- [205:15]
E
Tell me about contact balance with him. Todd Brooks is a three down back. You didn't come off the field. Yeah.
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D
So like you appreciate my question at Texas Tech.
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E
I absolutely love Taj Brooks.
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A
Make some cuts. Go good blocker.
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C
Sure.
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A
Taj Brooks.
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B
I'm waiting on a stop from behind me here. Damien Martinez, Miami.
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A
That should stop right there.
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E
I do, I do like Damien Martinez.
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C
Yeah, Damien.
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E
Fighting Farmers.
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C
Yeah, absolutely. Go Fighting Farmers. And Oregon State transfer. I love the beefs too.
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B
Jadon Blue, Texas.
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E
Jaden Blue, Texas, I think is going to slide.
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A
If he's, if he's flag guy and doesn't get drafted, then I'll take him. Undrafted.
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E
But explosiveness, I mean if you want to, I think you've got. He is, he's much faster than Javante Williams is, but he's a pass catching back and I think that's kind of what you have with Javante Williams.
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B
Kyle Menon guy, Rutgers.
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C
Give it to me.
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B
I mean all of these guys I think would, would.
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E
How much you think Connor Riley would, would fight for DJ Giddens at all? Maybe K State connection.
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B
I had a fourth on him. I did too.
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A
I, I got three on guidance. I like gettings a lot.
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E
High cut. Yeah.
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A
Crosky, marriage guy that I like.
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B
Yeah.
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E
Crosby Merit.
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B
Okay.
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A
Arizona, New Mexico.
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D
I'm telling you man, there's a lot of tough guys in this board. A lot of different. The catchers, the runners, the slashers, our guys.
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B
I mean somebody just asked me like three minutes ago about Cross Camara because.
- [206:30]
A
Of all the names that we're mentioning, like do they pass on running back again and just take Jeffrey Boss out of Oregon and just shoot the dice on it one time.
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B
Maybe.
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A
I ain't know.
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E
Take Hudson from ucf.
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A
Take the center, man, don't be a coward.
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B
What position are we not thinking about here?
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A
Left tackle.
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B
Okay.
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A
Or, or, or just tackle in general. Like if, if you look at 30 visits and boy the Internet going to hate me cuz I'm o line guy and I'm always talking about o line but the 30.
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D
Why you always talking about o line guy?
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A
I used to be that dude. But. But the 30 visits, I mean, yeah, Book was one of them, but like Kelvin Banks was a guy. Membo was a 30 visits. Like, like these are like they were looking at tackle. Banks, like they were looking at it, you know, so I don't. You know, you have Booker now, which is a guard. He doesn't have flex to go play tackle. Maybe they're looking at a situation like they don't have faith in some of the backup tackles. And maybe they're looking for a swing situation or somebody to compete with. Awesome. And maybe they'll move on from some of the names that we have on the roster right now. And Chase Lunt is a guy. Brian, he is kind of, you know, smaller, but he's not lacking in physicality.
- [207:28]
D
Oh, he's a guy I would hate back in the day.
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A
Yeah.
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D
But he's. These guys have proved me so wrong. The underside. Well, the lighter offensive tackle. This guy is an athlete.
- [207:39]
A
He's a whoopert.
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D
I mean, you watch him for. He's like 308 pounds, but he gets in the guys. He gets the movement. He could block down, he could get on space. He plays very, very well. You don't see him flopping around on the ground and all that. The backside cutoffs. He's able to kind of get his head across the defense. There's a lot to like about him. I'm. I'm. To be honest, I'm surprised he hasn't gone already. Likewise, because. Just because of the athletic ability.
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A
Let me ask y' all something. Let me, let me look, let me look Woolchuck in the eye and ask him this.
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E
Yeah.
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A
Arande Gatson win. When you thinking.
- [208:12]
E
I. I've already taken him. I think he's a fourth round player. I mean, he's special when it comes to a receiving tight end.
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B
Yes, sir.
- [208:17]
E
It's something that they don't necessarily have in the building right now. But as a blocker, I mean, he could be like a, like a Mike Gasecki type of guy where it's like he, you, you're. You've got him in because he's a good red zone guy. He can go up and get the football. He's got the bloodlines, but he really is like a wide receiver playing tight end. I don't know if necessarily he could end up blocking, but there are some linebackers here that I'd absolutely consider whether it's Jeffrey Bossa from Oregon, Chris Paul Jr. From Ole Miss King for me. Yeah. Kobe King could be another name. And then at wide receiver, could it be a Tory Horton from Colorado State? Maybe an Isaiah Hudson from uc? There are some other options. And then the corners. I mean, I love Robert Longer being from Rogers. I've got a fifth round on him. I would take him here. You've still got Denzel Burke from Ohio State who's still there. There's some options.
- [209:05]
B
A couple picks to catch you up on. After Sanders selection at 144. The Eagles at 145. Take Mac McWilliams corner from UCF. And then the Patriots at 1:46. Take Braden Swinson. Swinson edge rusher from LSU. The Tiger of Brian Broadus.
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D
My man Elliot Wolf. He took a tackle in the first and now he's taking an edge. It sounds like Swenson's got some things going on with him there that you got to kind of try and figure out. But, man, I'll tell you what. I. I know I really like the player of osha. You and I were talking about him one night. We did kind of a show where he was involved and that, that ability coming off the edge was pretty impressive.
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A
Island is all good. Definitely take us in.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. Cowboys have made their hook em horn.
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C
Sign from Steven Jones.
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E
Oh, Isaiah Bond.
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C
I think this is going to be J Blue.
- [209:52]
B
If you're. If you're going to Isaiah Bond would be interesting. That would be.
- [209:56]
E
I wonder if Isaiah Bond ends up not being selected.
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B
He might not. There's.
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E
I mean, just because of all the stuff that's going on around him.
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A
Oh, look.
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B
Yeah. Paxton Anderson to the right. There's Foster, played for Texas. There's. Yeah.
- [210:09]
E
Okay, so you're looking at Jaden Blue.
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A
Jaden Blue.
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B
Well, that's pretty easy tea leaves to read there, don't you think?
- [210:15]
A
But to say that he's like past catching back and he runs fast as all get out. Like he did. Did finish some runs. He did.
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D
Oh, yeah.
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A
He did put his head down.
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D
Oh, yeah.
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A
He ran with some pretty good weight to him. I'm a. I'm a fan of him. I, I think he has some pretty good. Some pretty good contact balance. I thought he was a. He was a good cut guy.
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E
The.
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A
The vision wasn't perfect, but when he saw it, well, and you hit the hole, if you're that fast, I mean, you can make up for any, you know, lack of vision there. And I think he'll be a guy. I don't think he's a bell cow guy. But if, if we're going to be a rotation of of running back, sure. He's one of a few running backs that I would like for Cowboys to look at.
- [210:48]
B
I would just like to note the 49ers at 147 running back Jordan James of Oregon. Thank you Zach.
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A
They were probably looking at Jordan James.
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C
Maybe and man, San Francisco's having a great day three.
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B
They really are.
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Yeah, Jordan James is a heck of a back too out of Oregon. I mean he took over for Bucky Irving who was Knicks guy last year. Ended up being an absolute stud. He's only 20 years old so he's still pretty young. At 59205 he ended his Oregon career to tied for fifth with 31 career rushing touchdowns. And I mentioned kind of reminds me of Thomas Jones, the former Chicago Bear with the way he runs tough in between the tackles. Guy, he just puts his foot in the ground, gets upfield, good pass protector. That's a solid pick right there. But hey, Jaden Blue, if that's the move here for your Dallas Cowboys, he plays bigger than five nine and Nick, you know about the Klein Kane in Houston. He ended up going his senior year to get ready for his college career. Outstanding receiver. I think I, I've kind of comped him to like a more explosive James White. I think he is a better overall runner than what James White was. But he's, he's also a good pass protector. He's got good recognition there.
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It feels a little duplicate to what Javante Williams brings from a receiving perspective. Are they going to be trusting Jaden Blue on early down opportunities? That's, that's going to be my question here. Or is there another big back that maybe they'll be still trying to get later? But yeah, Jaden Blue covered him in when he was coming up in the recruiting process. At one point in time he was the number one running back in the country and dealt with some issues with his high school team going into his senior year of high school. Actually got kicked off the team just weeks before the season. Some disagreements with some coaches and it led to a big S storm around his recruitment. Texas still took him. They believed in the talent, tashar choice believed in the talent and they rolled with him. And that's a credit to Texas because they to were able able to develop him and make him a fifth round pick. @ the end of the day he did have a fumble issue a couple of years ago. Big fumble issue. You watch that game against Washington, that semifinal. He has a crucial fumble in plus territory that if he doesn't have, they probably win that game and go to the national championship. But coming here into the 2024 season with so many injuries at the running back position at Texas, him and Quintreveon Wisner were asked to take on on the role of RB1. And it was more so Wisner that stepped forward and we'll talk about him in a future draft class. But Blue definitely showed some pop as well. You see that College Football playoff game against Clemson where He had over 100 yards, big home run ability. Now maybe that's what Dallas is thinking here. They do have, he does have the home run ability and he can create that big play. He's got track speed. He's one of the faster running backs in this entire club class. But I, I, I'm concerned with, you know, can he be that early down bruiser to pick up 4, 5, 6 yards on a consistent basis? That's, that's going to be my one thing. But you're picking here in the fourth.
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Round. What about a compliment to the backs you currently.
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Have? Like, could Miles Sanders be that.
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Guy? I mean, I'm just, maybe that's their.
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Thinking. They draft another one. Another.
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Guy. I draft another.
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One. This is, you could double dip in this round if.
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You. Oh.
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Absolutely.
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Martinez. Why not like Marty Martinez and Kyle Menon or Taj.
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Brooks. I wouldn't lose a bit of sleep. Martinez.
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Blue. Honestly, I would love this is the draft to do that double, double dip on these guys. And I mean Nick, that is it because I thought the same thing like the Javante Williams deal because the pass catching, the pass protection. But he does have something that nobody else in that running back room has, which is he is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the.
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Field.
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Field. That is something that Jaden Blue has and they need explosiveness on this offense. And outside of Kevonte Turpin and then probably CD Lamb, he's the most explosive player they would.
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Have. Yeah. Led the team with eight rushing touchdowns. Had a career high 7 and 730 rushing yards last year. Ty Hamilton goes to the Rams at 1:48. The defensive tackle from Ohio State. The Cowboys on the TV side of things, on the clock, their pick is in just awaiting officially what we believe to be Jaden Blue, the running back from Texas as their first pick here on day three of the NFL draft. And you needed running back. Like you said, I love the idea of double dipping just because of how this position is stretching to this point in time. You still have Devin Neal you still have Ollie Gordon. You still have Taj Brooks. That would be a one, two punch. Talk about getting a bigger back and trying to compliment a couple guys getting blue here you get a guy like Ollie Gordon. Maybe later on in the, in the draft it doesn't have to be in the fifth round. Could be sixth, seventh round pick and then all of a sudden you're, you're. You've got a full running back room and plenty of competition going into training camp. That could be on the mind.
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Too. Tommy Yaris, if you can hear us right now, just come on down and take over.
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Man. You might as well, you can.
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You can sit in my seat for like three minutes and, and just get back to writing. I think you deserve.
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This. Put the. Hook them.
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Up. You have have highlighted all the the Texas guys with great vengeance and fear.
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Anger. It is only right the official graphic with the 5th pick or 5th round 149th pick in the NFL Draft. Running back Jaden Blue is your newest Dallas Cowboy out of Texas and he is official at this point. We've broken him down quite a bit. Maybe we'll hear from Tommy Yarsh very quickly. We're about to see some highlights from him as well. Nick Harris, I'll let you. You have the.
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Stage. Yeah. Jaden Blue Klein Kane native, stayed in the state of Texas to go to the University of Texas and certainly has some ability and the speed is what really jumps out to me. He can be that home run guy. He's an elite receiving back in my opinion. I had him in the fourth round. I had a fourth round grade on him. He was my last fourth round grade at the running back position. Burst and acceleration can make him a dangerous weapon. He gets to top gear in a hurry. The attention and application will need to be there and what I mean by that is, is like just being a little bit more decisive when he's going inside zone and he's showing a great clip where he did what he was decisive on inside zone on the goal line. But I'd like to see that a little bit more. Honestly surprised Detroit didn't swing on him a little bit earlier with Tashar choice now as the running backs coach for the Lions. But the Cowboys get a. Get a good pick here. I think in my opinion there were some better running backs on the board but I understand the them maybe wanting a home run ability here. I just, I'm not 100% sure if he can be your RB one, but I guess we'll find out later when we ask about him. The fumbles are the biggest concern for me. Can he, can he limit that at the NFL.
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Level? Yeah. Seven fumbles over the last two years. He had four last year alone. But he's the most explosive back left outside of Rashard Smith from smu. So if you're looking for a home run hitter, this was the guy on the board. And at 5:9, as I mentioned earlier, I think he plays bigger. You mentioned it as well, Vodch, and I agree with you. He is able to run him between the tackles and he'll lower the shoulder and try and bully through somebody. To me, this is a guy that can score from anywhere on the field. Eight rushing touchdowns last year, as we've mentioned. I don't mind the pick at all. I know our buddy Guy Frazier, probably pretty pumped about this as well as a fellow big time Texas.
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Longhorner. Just got a text from a source up in the war room. Some people had him as the third running back on the board in this building. They think that highly of Jaden Blaine. So there's a lot of hype.
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Right? Like he's big speed guy, he finishes runs. He's not a thumper, but he finishes runs. But the pass catching is super important. So you kind of get everything. I don't know if that's going to be his role here year one necessarily, but pass catching is king for a lot of people. And if you're Dak, there's a lot of running backs that we could have thrown to last year and maybe those guys weren't all the way fit for the job. Rico Dowda was pretty good at it. The rest of the cast, I don't know. But Rico Daddle's not here anymore. So now you have a guy that's bonafide catching the football. I would love to know what this does for Williams who is a pass catching running back. But he's an older veteran and Blue is youngblood right now and he's the first back off the board for us like we've been mentioning. I would love to double, double down on, double dip on it. Go and get another running back. Just because if I'm with you, if you don't think that Giddens, I mean that blue would be a guy that could be a goal line guy for you, a thumper guy. Get you a goal line thumper guy. There's dudes out.
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There. Yep, a Cowboys are picking here and a few picks. Oh, they're trading up. Not exactly sure.
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Where. Yeah, Stephen Jones, I was trying to point out while you Were giving the blue description. Stephen Jones was on the phone and he had his trade chart in front of him. So evidently they got somebody in mind here. They're going to take these picks and kind of move this thing around. He just hung up the phone again. But Nick was given an excellent report there in blue. Didn't want to interrupt him there, there. But Stephen, as soon as everybody finished shaking hands, Stephen went to work on that phone and he. And he. So maybe they had one in mind that they wanted to work with. And when they got their guide now, boom. Let's talk about this. The next thing that we're going to get on to. So yeah, it was. Everybody's feeling warm and fuzzy. Stephen Jones sat down in his chair and started doing some work. So maybe he got him in some position to get another. Get another.
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Pick. I like it overall because if you're going to try and go target targeted guy. We talked about that on the podcast pick, package some of these picks together and go get somebody. I did notice at the end of the the conversation when we were looking at the war room, everybody sat back down and got to work. It looks like they've.
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Made. There they go. There they go. They had something in mind. They had a pick in mind. And they went. And Stephen Jones, like you say, they, they once their player, once they got their guy, it was right back. It was right back to work. And Steven sat down while everybody was kind of high fiving. And here we go. And he had the trade chart in hand, phone in hand. And now he's. He's excited. He got the. They got the player that they.
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Wanted. So the Indianapolis Colts have their pick in at 151. The TV copy is running significantly by eber.
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Flu. So defensive.
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Player. It's a player trying to read the tea weaves. Now you've got the Indianapolis Colts there at 150. Then it goes Cardinals, Bengals, Giants after that. We don't know how far behind. So we don't know where the league is right now when it comes to the trade that has.
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Happened. We see any position coaches in.
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There? I'm looking that flu with the.
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T shirt and the hoodie right there. Just. He's hugging. Just will real.
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Quick. I mean there's a lot of good defensive players still available that I'd be in the linebackers. We mentioned Bossa, Chris Paul Jr. The edges with Joey Ivey still out there. There you got a niece, Peebles, who's still there from Virginia Tech. I don't think he's been taking Jay Toya Cam Horsley wish this was a receiver. The corners though. Dorian Strong Virginia Tech Robert Longer Beam I would love from.
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Rutgers. What about Mellow Dotson and Kobe.
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Kobe Bryant I just know he's he also got flagged for character. I I've been an advocate for Kobe Bryant. He might have not done himself any.
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Favors. Is going to be crazy this year these character.
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Guys. Is that defensive line assistant defensive line Brian King in there? I couldn't tell from just kind of the quick looks. Might have been David Overstreet that walked in there as well. It's tough to see who exactly it was and we again here's DJ Giddens going off the board. Okay running back from Kansas State goes at 151 to the Colts. Good ticket bike by the Colts there. Cowboys have made another selection. We are trying to figure out Remember Jada Blue 01:49 the first pick of day three for the Cowboys. They had seven picks today Dave.
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Borgonzi they got to pick 01:52 is what they did here. It looks like they this this be a linebacker. Yeah this is a pick that get Colts go on the went on the clock at.
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151. I'd love it if it were.
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Boston. We will have a party if it was Jeffrey.
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Boss. So when you said 152 Dallas.
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Has got this pick at 150 and.
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The pick is in on the TV copy as well thinking it's a linebacker.
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Gentleman as far as character guy like leader guy. Chris Paul was a yeah was a was a leader type dude. We saw him at the I would love Trium bowl like a big fan of this too and he was the leader amongst all the Ole Miss defenders. Like it was a lot of those guys and and he would he like we heard him talk like and he sounded like that guy and if and if there's a common theme amongst the draft of the Cowboys trying to pull off they're trying to pull off.
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Leader Guy Smile Munden Jr. From Georgia is another name that I had a fourth round grade on. I know Dallas had had him pretty high on the board as well.
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Basa. There it.
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Is. Paul Shamar.
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James. So this was Florida. This was a guy that they met with at the combine and really liked and he had a lot of similar affection for for Dallas Trade details here they're giving up 174 and 204 for this pick for Shemar James but two year starter at the University of Florida. You talk about high character guys. This is one that I got good reviews on whenever I Did some homework on him at the combine after hearing that, you know, the two sides really did like each other. I, I, I personally had him, if I can, if I can find him on my board. I had him in the fourth round. This is one of the younger players in the draft. Still hasn't even turned 21 yet. He's going to kind of fill that overshone role, I think before, until Overshone can get back. He's an outside linebacker, athletic, rangy defender. He plays, he played his best ball down the stretch in 2024. He affects late downs by getting in the way of crossers and can be deployed in situational blitzing. He kind of reminds me of Maris Lia Fowl a lot in that same sense because of his situational blitzing ability. He needs to be a better disciplined in the run run game. And so I wonder, you know, if they're trying to get better at stopping the run, you know, is, I don't know if this is necessarily a pick to address that. This is like a third down type linebacker that can account for things across the middle of the field. It could come with more experience, I think as he gets older, you know, the run game knacks. But this is a development project that is worth, I think a day three pick to be able to develop and bring along. Especially in a linebacker room where there's still a couple questions and there's some interesting balance of youth and old as.
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Well. I wasn't as high on.
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Him. I gotta go right. I'll be back in like five.
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Minutes. He was, he was further down my board. He was in the extras. But you know, when I watched him, he was one of the more athletic dudes in the box, like just front side seven guys. And even when they'll kind of float him around and do safety things like he, he was a running hit kind of guy. But I thought he got lost a bunch. I thought the mental process really, really gave him some fits. I thought he, he'll probably be a guy that you could take a little later. But the Cowboys love him. Maybe they're taking athleticism and probably not applying it to a linebacker. Maybe they got another role for him as a, as a downhill tackling type guy, safety.
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Type. I think he had it with the overshone thought process. I mean this is a guy who's going to rotate in. They're not expecting him to be a starter. They're not going to expect him.
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To come special teams.
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Immediately. Exactly. I had a fifth round grade on him. I actually had him in my Seven round mock. I had him in the sixth round. I knew there was some interest there. I didn't think it would happen until later on day three. The fact that they traded up to get him means that they liked the player as is. All right, the Cowboys just made two selections. Jaden Blue, running back from Texas at 149. Shemar James, linebacker from Florida at 152 more to come here in the fifth round. We are off and rolling. Day three of the 2025 NFL Draft on 1053 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com Lowe's knows Sundays are for football. So tackle your home improvement projects.
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Com side, this is a player I hope I'm super wrong.
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About. I am.
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Too. But the athleticism is there. Yeah, I just, I saw hesitancy. I saw a player who disappears. He doesn't run through trouble traffic particularly well. He certainly has the athletic ability to be able to cover, but he's a guy that'll kind of jump on the pile late. And hey, I was here. He was a massive recruit coming out of high school and just never really lived up to expectations but is a team captain and this is what you do in day three. This is a traits pick. So you see the athleticism. He absolutely will contribute on special teams, but he is going to have to get coached up and really refine a lot of technique to be a serviceable linebacker in the NFL. So fifth round's about where I had him. But there, there definitely were some other linebackers that I think are more NFL ready right now, but maybe they don't have quite the upside as Shemar James.
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Does. So when you said you, you hope you're wrong about him, Brian. Yeah, I had a lot of the same.
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Concerns. Yeah, a lot of the same things. I don't see a guy that has great instincts here and I think his best fit would be as a will linebacker. Let him free him up, let him run that. That's the kind of thing if you're going to make him do a lot of reading things. There could be some problems here. You do see him lose the ball in the running game. You do see receivers work around him in the passing game. There's Times where, you know, his, I would say the range is there. He can finish at times. That's pretty good. But is, you know, maybe some of his real strength that he was able to do is as. Really I saw him as a pass rusher. I watched the Miami games, Texas A and M games, and it seemed like there was kind of a slippery element to his game. So maybe that's something to allow him that he's really kind of a straight line player. He's got kind of a burst to his game. But I mentioned, I think as a will linebacker, that's where he needs to play. Don't give him a lot of responsibility, let him try and chase the ball. And if you want to use him as a pass, pass rusher, this is a downhill player that.
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Way. All right. So since the Cowboys selected Shemar James At 1:52, 1:53, the Bengals take Jalen Rivers guard from Miami. And then one of your prospects, Brian, that you've kept an eye on finally flies off the board. The New york Giants at 1:54, take Marcus Bowe out of Purdue. Interior offensive.
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Lineman.
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Yeah. A bit of a fall there for.
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Bo. Oh yeah, absolutely. I was much higher on him. He was a starter at right tackle for the Boilermakers and I think he's going to have to project inside at guard. He's a light guy. You know, Vach Lombardi hates these kind of guys that weigh 303 pounds and that's probably why we're seeing him right now here in this situation. But he's a smaller guy physically. The athletic ability as a player is good. The movement can be impressive with him. It plays majority of snaps in a two point stance. I don't ever believe I saw him with his hand on the ground. The feet are good, but the hands can. Could be all over the place or snaps where he's completely misses his target and he kind of has to scramble to replace him, but when he misses, his feet come back to help him. They save him. So this is a guy who does a good job of staying on his block in the running game. He can finish. He's very, very aggressive in the way he plays. There is some twitchiness to his game, which makes him ideal for that inside position. I think the more you can play this guy on the move, the better he's going to.
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Be. I hate to say it, I think that's a good pick for the, for the New York Giants. I mean, Bo, we got to know him a little bit. He even you talk about personality, he's as Outgoing and as friendly as they come on the offensive line. But he plays with a mean streak, strong, compact frame, uses his hands really well at a high level, good leverage at the point of attack and really a road grader is the way I had him anchored down in that ground game. You talked about the lack of length, struggles with balance at times, all the footwork. I agree with everything that Brian just said about the player. I thought they were lucky to see him play at Purdue as long as they did over 2000 snaps with the Boilermakers. I mean, he's got a ton of experience. I'm shocked to see him fall to the fifth round. He was my last top 100 player on the offensive line available. So at 154, I think that's a really good selection there for the.
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Giants. Yeah, he was the best player left on my stack and, and allowed just one sack and 306 pass blocking snaps during Big Ten play. Super, super smart plus athlete. Agree with everything that you guys have been talking about. He can add some lower body power. Can see him get angry and take out aggression in a positive way. Was a note that I had on him. But yeah, that's, that's a good pick for the Giants who have not really had good offensive line selections as of.
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Late. Technique, hand fighter, great athleticism, scooper, get out in the open field, wide zone guy. I thought he also could possibly play center, so I think that's something that they can think about third.
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Round. Great on this.
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Cat. Yeah, yeah. I'm just not a big fan of the, you know, smaller guards, but if you small, you could play tackle and center for.
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Me. I like work. We have been rolling here in round number five of the 2025 NFL Draft. The Cowboys most recently taking Shamar James, linebacker from Florida, followed by Jalen Rivers, offensive guard from Miami and Marcus Bo, guard from Purdue. Jalen Rivers going to the Bengals. Bo going to the Giants. On the phone line now we have one of the fifth round selections for the Dallas Cowboys. We have Jaden Blue, running back from Texas on the line. Jaden, congratulations on staying in the Lone Star State. You're going to get to run the football with Dallas Cowboys. Cowboys. How does that.
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Sound? It feels good. It still feels surreal, you know, right now, man, but you know, I'm just blessed, you know, to be in this position and you know, I'm glad I get a chance to stay in my.
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Hometown. Can't wait to see you play here with the star on the side of your helmet. What was that, that moment like? And how long have you been in contact with the.
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Cowboys? Man, it's surreal. You know, I haven't really been in much contact with the, with the Cowboys, but you know, man, I'm just blessed, man. You know, I knew, you know, it was always my dream to be able to, you know, play in the leads for my hometown in the state of Texas and, you know, for the Cowboys to come and get me, man, you know, it feels great. You know, I'm going to come in there, get to work, you know, from day one and you know, man, I'm trying to do, you know, everything I can to put team in the best.
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Position. Hey, Jaden, this is Nick Harris. I covered you during your recruiting days. It was a of ton time back in 2020. We were jumping fences to get some work in so that we could, we could scout you out. It's good to have you in Dallas, man, just being able to stay in the state of Texas. You've talked about your development getting to this point. This team is searching for a starting running back. Do you think you have the capabilities to do that here in.
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Dallas? Yes. Yes, sir, I absolutely do, man. Like I said, I bring a lot of things to the table. You know, I have a speed, great route running ability, able to catch to the backfield, you know, and I do a lot of things, you know, very well that a lot of backs can't do, man. So, you know, like I said, man, I'm just blessed to be in this position, man. And, you know, I'm just ready to get, you know, straight to work and get a chance to fight for that starting.
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Position. Jaden, you can score from anywhere on the field, but I got to ask about, I'm sure something that you've been asked about this entire process and the one knock is just the ball security is. Is that something that's been frustrating for you and how have you tried to improve that in your.
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Game? Yes, sir. You know, of course it's frustrating at the back. You don't want to put the ball on the ground, but, you know, it's a lesson learned. I got there always, you know, I didn't see the win by not a lot of technical things and just me not, you know, being aware and everything. But, you know, I don't think that's going to be. It's on the next level, like I said, I think, you know, once I get to that next level, get coached by, you know, somebody great guys, you know, in that facility, you know, everything's going to fall in place. So you Know, like I said, I'm just ready to come in, you know, get to.
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Work. Jaden, where did you get your hands from, your mom or your.
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Dad? My dad actually played football, but, you know, it was always kind of natural for me. Played 7 on 7 growing up. I used to do a lot of receiver work. So really it's just natural, man. Like I said, I take a lot of pride in being able to and catch the ball out of the backfield because I know, you know, nowadays, you know, in the league, you have to be a bank that could do multiple things if you want to be.
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Successful. When it comes to your skill set, Jaden, and I'm sure you've been asked this question as well. What do you feel like is your best characteristic on the field? What is the one calling card that you are going to put above anybody else that you come up.
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Against? Say it.
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Again. What's your number one skill set that you've. You've relied on throughout your.
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Career? Man, it's probably for me, of course, like I said, there's a lot of things that I bring to the table, but, man, I think speed is a thing that pops out on film. Like I said, I have great bursts, so quickness. I have, you know, long speed to run away from guys. And, you know, I don't think it's really, you know, a lot of guys, you know, in the league that can. That can. That can say that. So, you know, like I said, I ran track going up, so, you know, I've always been fast my whole life. So, you know, speed is probably one thing that I say that separates me from primarily of the guy in the.
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Drive. It's your newest Dallas Cowboy running back, Jaden Blue out of the University of Texas. Now, speaking of Texas, ton of really good backs that have come out in the history of the Longhorns. But even recently, one thing Brian Schottenheimer's preached is competition. How do you think that competition in the Texas backfield over the last few years is going to help you out for the NFL.
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Level? Like I said, man, we had a lot of NFL backs. You know, we've had, you know, two guys. Three. Three. Two guys go two years ago. We've had two go last year. And, you know, I'm the next one coming in. And we even have two young ones that possibly can come out next year. And you know, all. All it does, man, is just bring the best out of me. Like I said, me having that competition that those guys push me every day, you know, they get me Better. So I think, you know, that, that, that prepared me, you know, a lot for the next level because, you know, competition is nothing for me now, you know, I'm willing to, you know, compete at the highest level and like I said, say, have a chance of fight for that.
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Position. All right, if you had to eat one food every day for the rest of your life, which food is.
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It? Jaden Blue.
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Seafood. There you go. That's what I'm.
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Talking. And if you had to listen to one music artist for the rest.
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Of your life, who would it be, Little.
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Baby? That's what I'm talking about. All.
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Right. Hey, he's going to be a good fit.
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Here.
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That's. There you go. Got it done. Jada Blue, newest Dallas Cowboys running back taken in the fifth round of the 2025 NFL Draft. Jaden, can't wait to see you around. The star in Frisco very, very soon. Congratulations on such an honor getting your NFL dream to come true.
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Sir. I appreciate.
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It. There he goes, Jaden Blue joining us after the selection. You can hear the confidence. You can hear the really the abandoned to know, hey, I've got things to work on. My game is imperfect. There's still a long way to go. But he feels like there's a fit here with the.
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Cowboys. He really saw. I, you know, run routes and I run fast. Yes, I run routes and I run fast. And honestly, that's where most of this value is. If you're, you know, if you're a third down running back and, you know, if, if you can block and if you can catch and if you can run, you're going to get a lot of value here. Even sometimes more than a, you know, first round, first down or a second down back, third down. Backs are the guys.
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Man. By the way, while he was on the phone, Dante Trader, Jr. Safety from Maryland goes to the Dolphins. 155, the Chiefs, they take Jeffrey Basa, linebacker from Oregon, and the fake running away with this at 156. My goodness. Chiefs, stop it. The Buccaneers at 157. Elijah Roberts, edge rusher from SMU.
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Player that is a good.
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Player. Let's talk about him. He's a local product as well. Yeah, SMU edge.
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Rusher. Absolutely. And, and I, I'll tell you what, this guy has got some size to him, though. And that's the thing. When I was watching him play, I just was like, boy, this is when you're talking 6, 4, 2, 8 5, he's a transfer from Miami. He's a powerful player. He does a really nice job of playing the run. He's got strength at the point of attack. He's got the leverage that you like, the pad level. He's not going to get knocked off the mark. Plays all along the line of scrimmage. I've seen him line up as a three. I've seen him stand up on the edge. His hands are good. There's some pop. There's been some problems in his career though when he's had to come finishing tackles. He's had some, some misses in days. He's been put in a position, but man, he doesn't like he's one of these guys. It's not going to be really that first step quickness kind of guy, but he does create pressure, a lot of pressure through his effort. And then the way that he's able to play with that power. He could just flat run over offensive tackles. You watch the Penn State game, he just crushed their tackle. So the effort, the power. Not a really bendy guy, but man, I'll tell you what though, his size as a base end, when you talk about give you a little pass rush, but be able not to get knocked off your mark to play in the running game. You like a guy like this that could play a couple different spots along the line as.
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Well. We're taking a look at Jeffrey Boss's highlights out of Oregon. He goes 156 to the Chiefs. We talked about, man, the Chiefs just continue to have a really good draft. He was the highest rated player remaining on my.
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Board.
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Same. And he ends up going to Kansas City.
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Here. Yeah, Jeffrey Boss, I know Nick and I were big fans of his. I mean he's a guy 61 2, 232. Fourth year senior. He had at least one tackle in every game he played. He saw immediate playing time at Oregon. Second team, all Pack 12. Played inside linebacker. Super rangy player. Covers a ton of ground and he covers extremely well. He can cover the tight end, drop off into zone. He's got instincts, almost is a guy when it comes to the downhill burst, the short area, quickness. He can blitz. I think he's a good tackler. I like Jeffrey Boss a lot. I think he's a super upside type of player here here. He was the Fiesta bowl defensive MVP his junior year for Oregon. So terms of athleticism, I do think he's. He needs to refine the angles a little bit. But he can be one of the most exciting linebackers in this.
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Draft. And then The Chargers at 1:58 just took Keandre Lambert.
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Smith. Man, I like this kid a lot. I really, really do. And, and, and when you, when you watch, when you watch him play, the, the way. I mean, he's one of those guys that, that it's a shame because he's a very, very talented guy. And then all of a sudden he's playing with a quarterback that just can't get in the ball. I mean, he transfers from Penn State and here he goes, you're thinking, okay, you know, I'm going to go and be this, this great receiver. He's ran a 437 at the combine and, but he's. Man, he played with a quarterback at Auburn that was less than ideal. Every week it appeared to be a different game guy. But this kid's got a burst. He can cover some ground. He does a really good job of running in breaking routes and coming back for the ball. He's not afraid to extend for the ball in traffic. I feel he's got the feel for how to separate in order to get open. He'll catch his share of balls in traffic. He plays with some great deal of courage because there's no telling where the damn ball is going to end up for him. And he'll go for it no matter what he attacks it in the air. He's got hops to go get it too. You can watch him go get it now. He will go do that. But what's an interesting thing, if you look at the metrics of this guy, 74% of his catches for Auburn this year ended up as a result of a first down. Yeah, and it's funny, 515 of his 531 steps were played on the right side. Reminds me very much of Marvin Harrison. Did the same damn thing for the Indianapolis Colts for all those years. But this kid right here at 611-390-Pounds, he's got some skill as a route runner. It's just a shame that his quarterback was so damn.
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Poor. It's tough for anyone to earn on conference honors in the sec, but he did it in the SEC and he did it in the Big Ten both times. Penn State and, and Auburn. Really fun player. I thought he was great at at Auburn when watching them play, but I thought he was good at the Shrine bowl as well. Another weapon for the Chargers, Marion Hampton, Trey Harris and now Keandre Lambert Smith as a part of this draft class. All right, we are still rolling on it is the fifth round of the 2025 NFL Draft on 1053. The Fan and Dallas.
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Cowboys.com qualify. Tell a quick story about Jaden.
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Blue. Would you like.
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To. Yeah. What I was referring to on the phone call there. There was a time back in Covid recruiting, it was May 2020, and basically any state organized football activity was shut down. Shut down. Kids were not going to school, kids were not training, and Blue was entering or he was in his junior year of high school. And when he, when, whenever all that happened, him and his teammates still wanted to train. Matthew golden was one of his teammates at the time, still wanted to train. So Blue got a few teammates together, got a few players from other schools together that were around in the area, and he led the group chat. He got the media there and said, hey, we're going to meet up at my high school field, we're going to jump the fence and we're going to work out three times a week and we're going to stick to our routine. You know, risking it during a pandemic, which, you know, at the time it was like, yeah, we're not doing this. And now I'm like, yeah, we were doing it. And so it was. And he got me out there, drove about four and a half hours down there to go see. See him a couple of times during, during those few weeks where they were, when Jaden Blue was organizing those sessions. You talk about the love for the game. Jaden Blue is one of those guys. And I know there's going to be character concerns about Jaden Blue that stem from maybe his time in high school and maybe something that happened in college. You know, getting to know this kid. I know where those character concerns stem from. I don't have those same concerns. I think this is a football guy. He has the right work ethic, he has the right approach. He's a weight room nerd, weight room geek. And I think that's going to translate to the field. And, you know, as, as time went on, a lot of those players that were practicing with him every single day during COVID and Blue was running those drills and organizing everything. A lot of those kids ended up being fbs, FBS recruits and Matthew golden was one of them. So that's a credit to Jaden Blue and that's a credit to, you know, his, his story and his background. It's really worked out for.
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Him. When talking about Blue and we, we know there are other names there, other running backs that could have possibly been in the, the conversation there for Dallas. Why was he see one that would stick out? Is it just the home run ability? Is it just the Character. Why, why would he fit this system better than some of the other guys that are.
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Around? Yeah, and that's a question I have today. And I, I think it's the home run ability. I think it's, to be able to apply that 10 7, 100 meter speed, that long speed, you know, which I think is a lot more valuable than taking a guy's 40 yard dash if they have a track background from high school and seeing what that time looks like. And you kind of project over the course of 3, 4 years that 107 speed is online with some of the faster home run hitter, home run hitting backs that we have in the league. And so I know that that was a big point of emphasis going into this class is finding a running back that has that home run ability. And you know, I think Jaden Blue certainly has that. He's just got to refine the easy things. And the easy things are the fumbles. It's the decisiveness in between the tackles. And I think he can get there. He's shown that ability. I don't, I don't, I don't have great confidence in the pass protection, but I think he's one of the better receiving backs in this class. He's going to provide some three down capabilities. I just wonder with how he complements with Javante Williams and I think that's going to be an interesting task for Brian Schottenheimer in training camp is to figure out, you know, how to use all of these backs and if they don't get another one, how do they all share time and rotate and get time in training camp even before we even get to preseason and regular season. So it's going to be a fascinating development. But like I said from, from a source, it's, it's. There's a team that, or excuse me, there were coaches in the development and evaluation process that had Jaden blue as their RB3 in this class. And that's, that's a high, high order. So a lot of people in this building really like Jaden Blue and I think they're really excited to be able to come away with them.
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Yeah. Even with other names like Jordan James getting close there, DJ Giddens was taking two picks at after. I mean for the most part there's a lot of running backs in this class now because of the trade to go up and get Shamar James. They, they certainly had a target on James. They traded 174 and 20 or 2.
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11.
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Right. It's 174 and 211. That was the second pick. 2.
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11. I believe it was.
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204.
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Okay. I've seen conflicting reports on that. That. Rolling into the back half of the fifth round. It's the 2025 NFL Draft. The Cowboys have made two selections here on day. Number three, Jaden Blue, running back from Texas at 149. And then they trade up into the fifth round deeper to get Shamar James, linebacker from Florida at 1:52. Quite a ways until they're back on the clock in the sixth round of the NFL draft alongside Zach Wolchuk, Fotch Lombardi, Brian Broadus and Nick Harris. With Chris Beam in the back. Peyton Russell back in the 153. The Fan Studios last couple selections. Last five selections. That is the Buccaneers at 157. Take Elijah Roberts, edge rusher from SMU at 158. The Auburn Tigers see a wide receiver go off the board. Keandre Lee Lambert Smith goes to the Los Angeles Chargers. The packers take Colin Oliver, linebacker from Oklahoma State at 159. The 49ers at 160. Take Marquez Sigle, the safety from Kansas State. And then The Eagles at 161. Take Smile Munden Jr. I'm back. Smile from.
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Georgia. Gosh, Philly just getting their Georgia Dogs. Georgia Philly just getting their Bull Bulldogs. I mean, yeah, that's. That's a. That's a fun pick. I love me some Smile.
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Munden. Tell me about.
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Him. The sophomore version of him.
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Scary. Yeah. And there's injury concerns around Smile Munden. And if he can clear those going into the league, he's going to be a really talented player, man. But talking about the player himself, if I can pull up my notes, he was my LB4. That's how. That's how. That's how much I thought about this guy. Freaky athlete, high instincts. I have a couple people over at the University of Church, Georgia, and they drew. He. He drew rave reviews when it came to character. He can shed blockers to make impact in the run game. He's an animal attacking the passer. He's a violent tackler. He rarely misses opportunities in the open field. He could improve taking backs out of the backfield in the receiving game for sure. I think backs can sometimes get him lost against a receiving back that has a pretty good route tree. But if he can stay healthy, this is going to be a game wrecker. And of course, he lands with Philadelphia. Another phenomenal pick by Howie Roseman. Y' all can say what y' all want. I am a big fan of Howie Roseman, this. This. This dude knows how to freaking draft. I. He knows how to freaking draft and that he's put yet another weapon on that defense. But the injury concerns stem from a foot injury that he had this past season, missed four games. He had another foot injury in the spring of 23 that required surgery. He had a torn labrum in the spring of 22, and he had a torn meniscus in high school. And then on top of all that, he had a reckless driving arrest in 24 because he went to Georgia. So there's. There's. There's a. There's a lot of baggage off the field, but if you. If they are able to get all that out of the way and they've been able to do that with Jalen Carter and they. They've done. Remember all the concerns that everyone had about Jalen Carter coming out. We haven't heard anything since he got to Philly. So if Philly can take that similar approach with Smile Munden and. And also be able to handle the injury concerns too, then, yeah, they have another weapon on their.
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Defense. Apparently Big Dom's the best at finding the red flag. So I guess Smile Munden ended up checking off those boxes. But the converted db, so I mean, you mentioned the athleticism as a linebacker. A hundred percent it's there, but it is the injury concerns. Like, will he just get beat up over 17 games? But he is physical and he played really well in big games for.
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Georgia.
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Yeah. Yes, he did. And somebody that also played really well in some big games. As the newest linebacker for the Dallas Cowboys, Shamar James joins us here on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com Shemar, congratulations on the call. What's going through your head at the.
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Moment? Oh, man, I was. I was just excited. It was kind of like a. Like a starstruck moment, I would say, when I kind of seen that number pop across my screen. And I was just excited, man. Whoever it may have been, I'm just grateful to be in the.
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NFL. Well, you are now a Dallas Cowboy. What have you now known about the Cowboys and how much contact did you have with them throughout the draft.
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Process? I mean, I know it's America's team, but I mean, I had contact with them quite a bit. I had a formal interview with them at the combine. I met with the linebacker coach through zoom meeting, and they also sent some scouts out for my pro race. So they're pretty involved in this whole process, I would.
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Say. Yeah. Shemar, you come from a family Of Cowboys fans. How excited was your draft party whenever you got the.
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Call? Oh, man, as soon as I hung up the call, man, my phone just started dinging from all family members. So I mean, it was a big day for me and also my family. Like you said, you know, we're all Cowboy fans, so it was kind of like a dream come true for.
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Me. Yeah, and you're a weapon, I think from the linebacker room in the sense that you're this high motor guy who can fly around the field, you can cover across the middle, you can impact as a situational blitzer. There are some other speed weapons I think in this linebacking corps. You talk about DeMarvi and overshone and Maris Liefow. I don't know how much you know about those guys, but how excited are you to join this room and what do you know about it so.
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Far? Yeah, I mean, I know a little bit, but, but I haven't really did my, my deep dive and research yet. But I mean I know they have some, some great players at the linebacker position now and I'm just, I'm just ready to come in and contribute any way I can. You know, learning from the vets and kind of just, just feeling my.
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Way around and NFL Shamar James with.
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Us here from Florida, your newest Dallas Cowboy. Now one thing that Brian Schottenheimer clearly wanted to do here, Shemar, you're a team captain and he wants to get guys with high character that love football. You seem to fit that. Tell us a little bit.
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Why? Yeah, I mean, kind of like you said like, like two time team captain my sophomore and junior year, so years 23 and 24. So I mean like you say you kind of, kind of want guys a high character and I feel like I have that. One of my best attributes, I would say off the field. And I feel like that's kind of why I can kind of bring up the play of my teammates because they, they know I'm a guy I can trust off the field and also on the field. So I mean, salute to the.
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Cowboys. No doubt about it. And you join a front seven with guys like Micah Parsons and Mozzie Smith and some of these other prospects like you, you heard from, from Nick a moment ago. Where do you feel like you fit best? What, what type of skill set are you bringing to the table for Matt Eberfluz to play.
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With? I feel like I'm a three down linebacker. I feel like I can play any defensive scheme there is as long as I got the right people. Around me to kind of help me get. Get through the bumps and hurdles, but, you know, I feel like I'm a guy that can learn pretty quickly and kind of like catch on the.
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Ropes. And you said your. Your entire family were cowboys fans. Where does that come from? Why. Why the.
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Cowboys? Oh, man. Like, I like. Like I kind of said, like, America's team. I was kind of born. Born a cowboys fan when I came out of the womb, so I don't really know any specific reason why, but I know we are.
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Who. Who's the team you're looking forward to most? To just kick their ass.
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Then. Oh, man. Whoever's first on that.
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Schedule. Zach wanted you to say the Philadelphia Eagles, but that's.
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Okay. Would have been a great answer, Shemar, but that one was a.
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Better. Hey, there's a lot of Georgia bulldogs playing for the eagles. I know you know about that. Oh.
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Yeah. Jacksonville every.
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Year. I love it. Shamar, thanks so much for taking some time. Congratulations on the pick, and we can't wait to see you here at the star in.
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Frisco. Yes, sir. Thank.
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You. Shamar. Or excuse me, T. Yeah. Shamar James. Shamar. Shemar James. Florida is the pick, and they. They had their eyes on them. You could hear that from the pro day. You hear it from the. From the formal visit at the combine and then the fact that they traded up to go get them as.
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Well. If anybody sits on a zoom meeting with you too, they're really looking for.
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You. Oh.
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Yeah. Nobody wants to sit on a zoom meeting, but here we.
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Are. Here's. Here's the secret audio. Beamer, do we have both secret audios? Okay, let's go with shamar. James, since we just talked linebacker out of Florida, here was the call with Jerry.
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Jones. Shamar. Hey, how you doing? Hey, shamar, this Jerry Jones with the Dallas cowboy. And you is now a Dallas cowboy. Yes, sir. Thank you. We just put your card in, and you have tremendous support in this room, and that's exciting. I can't imagine what it might be like to think about playing the NFL around. Really can't. I'm proud for you. Congratulations. But we're turning your card.
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In.
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Okay. Here's our head coach. Shoddy. Okay, bye. This shamar. Yes, sir. Congratulations, man. From one gator to another.
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Brother. That's.
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Right. Hey, thank you. Yeah. Gator love, man. Hey, outstanding, dude. We've loved the film. We've loved just our time spent with you and the pro day and all the stuff. Congratulations, man. You're a Dallas cowboy. Yes, sir. Thank you. Yeah, thank.
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You. So.
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Excited. I'm gonna pass you off to coach Eber flu. And he wants to say hello, but congratulations, man. Enjoy it. Well deserved. Thank you. All right, here he.
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Is.
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Shamar. Yes, sir. How you doing? Hey, this is Flu. How you doing, man? I'm amazing, man. Thank you. I'm so excited to have you, man. You got so. You got so much.
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Upside. We're gonna make you, you know.
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Just come in here and kick some ass, man. I'm just telling.
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You. Yes.
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Sir. I'm ready to do it.
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Coach.
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Yep. Yes.
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Sir.
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Yeah. No, no doubt, no.
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Doubt. And you know, I've enjoyed watching your tape.
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Man. You had a great Senior.
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Bowl. I was really like that.
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Too. And man, just so, so excited to develop you and make you into a, to a, to a kick ass backer. Okay, man, let's do it. Yes, sir. All right, buddy. I'll see you soon, man. Hey, I want you to talk to our backer coach, Coach Briganzi, okay? Yes.
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Sir. All.
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Right. Shamar. Coach, how you doing? Doing great. A lot better now, man. Same. Yes, sir. I'm excited as hell. Can't wait to get you to hear. Yes, sir. Thank you, man. Thank you. No, man, I'm super excited. It's going to be helpful for us. Yes, sir. Thank you, man. I can't wait. Get ready to work. Yes, sir. I'm ready. I'm ready right.
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Now. Shamar James, newest Dallas Cowboy taken in the fifth round at pick number 152 linebacker out of Florida. All right, we have to step aside. 2025 NFL Draft coverage rolls on on 1053 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot.
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Com. You know, Kyle, if you have a linebacker whisperer, it makes some sense to find the linebackers that got all the traits. Yeah. And just like, hey, we're gonna fix you and turn you into.
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A. If you feel comfortable with those guys, if you.
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Feel. If you feel comfortable with those traits and he's the most running this around faster than this, running this around athletic in this dude that you can. But he's missing the linebacker stuff, send him to your linebacker whisperer. You know, we were saying this in the, you know, cowboy nation about corners as well. If you a corner and you got traits, send to Al Harris. That's something that we would always say and let him like fix them and develop them. So if we got a linebacker whisperer now on staff, man, let's go get some raw linebackers and figure it.
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Out.
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Yeah. Floose has a history to your point when it comes to the day three linebackers. Anthony Hitchens being one here with the Dallas cowboys. So Shemar James. James, he is a guy with all the traits. I do agree with Brian. I didn't always see the most.
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Instinctive guy but physically let him run to the.
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Ball. Physically he's what you want and he is a good blitzer. He does have some pass rush tendency. You've got a lot of athleticism in that room. So there's certainly in the fifth round man on day three like that's kind of what you're.
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Looking. That's what I had.
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Him. But yeah, same. So I, I can see the upside with the Shemar James.
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Pick. But don't get me mistaken, ladies and gentlemen. Wait, did this camera get over me? Wait, did this camera. I just wanna, just don't get me mistaken ladies and gentlemen. Cleveland ruined this for all of us. We should have gotten Carson Schlesinger who's Sean Lee 2.0 and I'm still salty about it but could have got both. Hey, come on man. But shamar is a guy that we're gonna watch his journey very close. There's gonna come a time in our cowboy content season that we're looking for something to talk about when we get to to camp. We're going to be looking at all the young ones. So Shemar, you know, go out there and be fast and hey, prove Brian broad is.
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Wrong. Prove.
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Us. Yeah, I mean I'm with you. You can prove me wrong too. We had Mitchell Evans the tight end from Notre Dame go to the Carolina banthas. Yaha Black, the defense tackle from Iowa. Ya ya. Thank you. Ya.
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Black. I'm sorry Iowa. I'm sorry. Y a y a says ya ya like that's how, that's how.
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It'S. It's y a h, y a y a and it's pronounced y a y a.
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Black. Ya Black from.
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Iowa. I am great folks, I'm glad Nick Harris is here because I would call him yaya for three.
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Hours. Yeah, I would have said yaha I 100 would have. And then a rendez Gadson from Syracuse. The tight end going to Chargers. Chargers are collecting some nice offensive weapons for Justin Herbert here and I was a big, big fan of one.
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Arande gads and we'll still lose to Houston in the first.
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Round. What do we got.
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Next? And I Peebles is still on the board.
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Guys. He is. And Brian is trying to tell me he'd be a like day two.
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Guy. Yeah, me.
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Too. I was, I was absolutely trying.
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To. I had him in the third.
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Round.
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Yeah. See where people. Where do I.
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Have. Actually I have him in the fourth and here was I really trying to. I like.
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The. It wasn't. It wasn't. You had heard that possibly he was getting.
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Buzzed. You can accuse me for blaming you for quarterback stuff, but don't accuse me of the third three.
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Technique. I got a third.
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Round. Right? You're.
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Right. Well, we'll stay off the.
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Three. And if you're looking for a one set, Cam Horsley is still out.
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There. You liked Cam Horsley and I think Vox really likes Cam a lot. Yeah, we had a discussion about him one night on our.
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Show. I just want to see you do your. Your job really well. I know teams look for traits and all this kind of stuff, but if Cam Horse is going to be a one take for you, just a. Just a hard to move guy, doesn't punch the hell out of you and be strong and powerful. Horsley's good at that. I mean he's probably going to be on the field. First and second.
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Down. I think Horton just went for wide receiver. Colorado State.
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Right. 166 to the.
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Seahawks. It's a good.
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Pick. Yeah, it.
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Is. John must have been out of the.
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Room. Yeah, I'm surprised it wasn't a running back there.
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Brian. He was.
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Trying. Horton could be a steal, don't you think? Like out of these guys on day three, he's a guy that's six.
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Not one 96, not over, not over 90. Nash and Hudson and Wells. I. I kind of like those guys a little.
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Bit. My stack. I definitely had Hudson higher. Let me see. And I liked Nash a lot. I had Nash over Horton too, by one spot. Yeah, but I mean, Horton's.
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Got. We'll talk about him then if you.
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Like. It's just the.
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Route. He did an hour's worth of work on.
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Him. You're right. You're right. He can play inside and out. Runs a lot.
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Of. Trust me, Kyle, I'm taking the damn show.
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Over. It's a lot.
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Of. We're going to talk about these guys because that's okay. They got draft it. I watched him. We're gonna.
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Talk. We did spend time on them and trust me, my wife and kid wrote.
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It. Good. By the.
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Way. Dad, where are you? Dad, where is a whole box over.
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Here? I had one. It's.
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Good. Go ahead. Another one.
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Horton. Thank you. Runs a lot of drags and underneath routes. Consistent hands. Good play. Straight to make catches in traffic. What.
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Happened?
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Jackson. Oh, Jackson Slade, we're gonna get to you in a second. We got some good sexy picks coming off the board here. Now I did not think he was very elusive after the catch but he ran a blaze in 40 time so maybe he is a little bit quicker than I gave him credit for. Season tracks the ball super well. He burst onto the scene against Colorado a couple of years ago. Problem is he did have that knee injury in October against San Jose.
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State. Finishing up on the radio side of things on 153 the fan before Texas Rangers baseball from the west coast after a 2 nothing win over the Giants yesterday. They started at 3:05 today. Eric Nadale, Matt Hicks, Jared Sandler on the call following this segment. Wrapping things up with Zach Wolchuk V. Lombardi, Brian Broadus, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish upstairs. I'm Kyle Yeomans leading the way here on these next next couple of fifth round picks. Lots of big time names have just flown off the board starting at 161. Smile Munden Jr goes to the Eagles linebacker from Georgia Jets Francisco Mauing Oha From Miami, linebacker Drew Kendall. Drew Kendall. Later on the Panthers 163Mitchell Evans, tight end, Notre Dame Steelers take Yaya Black, defensive.
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Tackle. Okay, let us know what it was. Yay ya.
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Black. There you go Eagles. Orande Gadson, the second tight end, Syracuse 1 66. The Seahawks take Tori Horton, the wide receiver from Colorado State and then the Titans take Jackson Slater, interior offensive lineman from Sacramento State before center Drew Kendall. Boston College goes at 1:68 to the Eagles. All right, out of those names I just mentioned, where do you want to start?
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Brian? Can I start with. I'll give everybody an opportunity to talk about a guy. I want to start talk about Kendall if I.
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Could. You go with.
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Kendall. Kendall, the center. I scouted his dad. I watched his dad get drafted in the first round by the Seahawks I believe way back in the day. But Drew Kendall, yeah, he's Pete Kendall, Boston College. His dad played there. He was a first round selection 1996. That's when we won that super bowl that year. But this guy is a really, he's got really good athletic ability. He's 6 5, he's 308. There's a snap or two where I thought he was going to get completely jerked out of his stance and he's able to recover, stand his feet. There is no separation between him and the defender. His hands are tight to the defender. He does a nice job of staying engaged with the defender. Solid when it comes to sitting down as a man, he'll hop, but once his feet get set, he can hold his ground. Florida State moved in more than than Missouri did, but the leverage, I think he played pretty well with that. The quick hands he can get him inside. I mentioned those things. I would like them have a little bit more bulk as a blocker but man, he's got some sticky elements to his game and is the experience there for Boston College. Making a lot of starts. So that's your Drew.
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Kendall. I'll take Gadson. When me and Woodchuck were at.
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The. Sorry.
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Guy. You guys did a nice job on that by the way. I can see back next year doing.
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It. Honestly, I'd love to because it helped us a.
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Lot. Sean Merriman pays well, you hear me? But Gaston was the best. He was the best player there. Like just a, just a red zone threat and you know, when you watch his film, he caught everything and sometimes passes were high, they're a little low, they're, you know, wide or in front of him, but he has catch radius to deal with everything. He has some good leaping ability. I wouldn't necessarily call him a route runner, but he has a good feel for, of how to run routes and get open and even if you're draped on him, even if you, even if you're hip to hip with him, he has arm extension and catch radies to just kind of get away from you. Now if you're the, well, if you're the Chargers here, I imagine there's going to be a lot of jump ball situations where Justin Herbert just closed his eyes and throw it in some direction or Ronde Gatson will come down with that dag on football. He's not a guy that I would think is going to do a bunch of blocking, but if you can, can line them up wide maybe a little bit, he can definitely get some, some mismatches on some linebackers for you. I'm a big fan of.
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His. Obviously has the bloodlines. Dad played for the Miami Dolphins in high school. He was at American Heritage. His head coach was Patrick Surtan senior, who was his teammate of his dad's with the Miami Dolphins. So yeah, pretty badass. I mean, you nailed him there, Vod. She was a phenomenal player. But then with Jackson Slater, there you.
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Go. Talk about the.
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Man. Jackson Slater's a stud. Sacramento State, first team all Big Sky. He played with Cam Scatabo and Marte Mapu. You remember him back in 2022 to win the Big sky championship. This dude is incredible when it comes to play strength, powerful lower body movement, drive defenders. He glides for his size when getting out in space. Really has a feel for angles and leverage. He's violent in the combo blocks really well with footwork. There's really just not much to like besides the level of.
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Competition.
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Yeah. Otherwise this guy, you talk about walking on water. He did it everywhere that he played. He was awesome. He played tackle, guard, center. He's got that in his background. At high school this past season was at left guard for the Big Sky. He allowed us, did not allow a sack or quarterback head, finishing with 44 career starts. So, yeah, this is a guy that could be a home run type of.
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Day. When we. When I started hearing the words pin and pull and I started watching tape, this guy was guard, pin and pull is what he was. So I kind of thought that maybe a day three where he's been picked, but this guy is a super athlete when it comes to that. 6, 3, 3, 11. You can watch him right here playing left guard, but man, I'll tell you what though, I like to say him playing in space was. Was pretty darn.
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Good. Now we've got about two minutes left here on the radio side. What are your thoughts so far on the Cowboys draft? And let's. Let's tease going into the sixth round, the Cowboys still have some more picks to.
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Make. Yeah, absolutely. I mean there's still needs out there. And you wonder. You look at the receiver board, there's not a receiver that I think is better than Jalen Tolbert on and I don't think there's a receiver that's better than Jonathan Mingo left on the board. So it's a. You'd definitely be reaching for a guy. I only have one fourth round grade left. It's Nick Nash. He's going to be 25 when the season is and he led the nations in receptions and receiving yards in 24. He'd be a very fascinating one. But he's got a little bit of some injury history. But that'd be a fascinating X option. Goodness, yeah. Other than that, I don't feel super confident. So I wonder, you know, you talk about these substantive trades that Jerry Jones is talking about. You also look at the free agent market that's still available out there for. For the front office. I think this is probably where a receiver and the Buffalo Bills are still took one of my favorite day three defensive.
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Backs. So he went over Denzel Burke, didn't.
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He? Yeah, he sure.
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Did.
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Wow. Yeah. You know, I'm looking at a couple of things right here. If Dallas continues to look at their board, draft their board, what's wrong with having Dorian strong cornerback from Virginia Tech being a possibility? Nothing. Nothing. I mean, double dip a corner, double dip at corner there, maybe even double dip it at running back here. I mean, the way that some of this stuff, I absolutely don't have a problem with bringing two young running backs into the thing to work with the two veteran guys. I know you've got some guys as well that are still here with, with Deuce Vaughn and stuff. And you know, we'll, we'll see how those guys play.
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Overall. Lots to look forward to here on the back half of the day three of the NFL draft. Remember, you can follow along on Dallas Cowboys.com and on the 104 Fan Cam all the way through the fan cam as we go all the way to the end of the 257 picks of the NFL Draft for Zach Wolchuk, Fox Lombardi, Brian Broadus, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Rangers baseball is.
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Next.
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Later. All right, now we're on the dot com side of things and here's the kicker. We don't have to take commercials.
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The rest of the.
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Day. We are on for the rest of the of time. Welcome back in, everybody. Hope you've enjoyed day three so far. Lots of great names still remaining on the board. And I know Nick just talked about Jordan Hancock, the defensive back from Ohio State, catching you up on the last couple picks you mentioned. Drew Kendall, offensive lineman from Boston College goes to the Eagles. Zay Frazier, corner from UTSA goes to the Bears at 169, bills at 170. 70. Take Jordan Hancock. And now the Detroit Lions are on the clock at 171. Any prospect that we missed there. Brian, I know you want to talk about these guys. Any prospect that you want to hit that we've missed the last 10, 15 picks or.
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So. No, I think we're good on these guys. Unless somebody wants to talk about them. I was. Yeah, I.
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Was. Evan Evans. I don't think we hit the tight end from Notre Dame. Yeah, he's, he's interesting because Notre Dame just kind of couldn't throw the football with Riley Leonard. He was more just running it. But he's big, strong prototype for the position. I mean, it's 65258. Can play inline and flex out in the slot, can block 1v1. He's got some nasty chips in the combo blocks. You know, he played an offense this past year that as I Mentioned they just didn't push the ball down the field. But I don't see a ton of separation as a route runner. But he does have strong hands. Just going pluck the football can win the contested catch. I think he's a good run blocker. When you're looking for a tight end on day three that might be able to develop into a starter. Mitchell Evans From Notre Dame at 65258, he, he has all the measurables that you'd be looking.
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For. Mitchell Evans wasn't a guy that I was inspired by at all. I just didn't think that they threw the ball to him enough. Like yeah, he only had like 20, you know, 20 something catches or something like that. So if he's just left to go out there and run routes and block people, sometimes he's easy to kind of doze off on in the chair. But. But hey, you know, I'm sure they have a plan for the player and I'm sure that he's gonna be a teams guy to some extent. Yeah. Yaya. Hawa. What's his name? Black. Black from Iowa. How do we say you guys, was it yaha minutes ago? Nick Harris had it, but yeah, you guys had.
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It. You were so.
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Calm. I think it's.
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Yaha. It's. I don't think think it's.
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Either. Gosh, I don't even know.
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Anymore.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yaya. Black.
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Friday. Give me five.
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Seconds. Definitely not Yaya.
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Right? I.
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Think. No, it's.
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Not. We were saying.
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Yaya.
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Yeah. Why.
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Ya? Why ya? Why? Why.
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Ya? Why ya? Thank you so much. I love you guys back.
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There. He's, he's another one of these, one of these humongous.
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Hum. It's.
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Ya.
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Ya. It's.
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Ya. Well, who came on the headset and said.
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Haha. Bleeping.
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Ya? Who said haha? Who's one of y' all said.
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Haha? Nobody said.
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Hi. Somebody say.
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Haha. Zach, he doesn't play here.
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Anymore. Haha. Somebody said, one of y' all.
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Said don't look at me, I'm just a YouTube.
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Guy. Okay, how to say it, how to say his.
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Name?
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Ya.
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Ya. Ya. Black. He's, he's one of the heavier defensive tackles, but he's not trash can full of dirt guy. I think he's, he's got some, some decent movement and some decent.
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Ball. 36, you.
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Know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a, he's a big character, man. Space eater. Pittsburgh. Like, like those kind of big.
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Character. Oh yeah, not, not big, like, you know, big Character.
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Big. But. But yeah, I'm moving on from Yahweh Black.
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Man.
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Yay. Yay, Black. What else we got, man? Who up next? Who just got drafted, man?
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Who? Jordan.
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Hancock. They've been Ohio State Ryan's pick for a minute.
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Now. Sorry. W. Excuse.
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Me. I so sorry. Frazier, though, from utsa, I think, is a really fascinating guy from to the Bears. The Bears just snagged him. This guy was the first player in school history there at UTSA with six or more interceptions in a season. The length and speed that he has is very, very unique. He looks like a receiver. The way that he's able to go up and make contested catches, I think the way that he's able to go ahead, short burst, able to recover downfield. He almost kind of baits quarterbacks a little bit because he trusts his recovery speed so well. But Tariq Woolen, Reek Woollen, now with Seattle, obviously was the predecessor there at utsa. Same type of build when it comes to the long arms, the length. But honestly, Frazier's a little bit bigger than he is. So that's a guy like in the fifth round, you're looking for an outside corner that can play zone for you and has the ability with the size to press. I like Frazier quite a bit.
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Here. Miles Frazier also goes off the board. LSU guard here. Talk about him at.
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Once. He was one of my top guys.
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Left. But you really liked him a lot, didn't.
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You? Miles Frazier was powerful and mean and nasty as all get out, man. Just when you. When you watch his film, whether it be Ole Miss or the Georgia kids or whatever game you was watching, when he pulled and hit somebody, he thrashed and finished those people. I was a big fan of his and he was one of the guards. I got him in the fourth round. I love big, powerful guards. Looks to finish physical. Decent pass blocker, like in terms of movement. But he's one of those guys that once he grabs you, good luck, and then once he grabs you, he may torque and try to pull on you a little bit, and that might lead to a holding call, but if it doesn't, you're going to the ground and he's going to land on and he'll try to elbow drop you on the way to the ground. Some pretty good nastiness with him there. I think he focuses on anchoring and, you know, punching and striking. But once he cleans that up, you know, sometimes it'll. Hands will lead, you know, to the back a little bit. They get a little high on the shoulder but once you focus on hand placement, what is coaching for, man? And let that dude just be strong and physical and mean and nasty. Man, you got one. Shouts out to Miles.
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Frazier. When I was watching him, I'm like, I know Vox is going to like this guy because he's mean, he's massive, and he plays nasty passes off blocks extremely well. He did not allow a sack last year. Only allowed four sacks over three years starting at LSU. And he played multiple spots. He had, he had 28 starts at right guard, nine at left, two at right tackle. So this is a guy that, you know, he drives people off the ball in the run game, which we love the mauling type mentality, vibes. I mean, that's something that we're looking for in guards. Consistent in the past sets. Great base. I thought he should have gone higher than this. I had a three on him. Did you have a.
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Two? I had a three on.
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Him. So.
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Yeah. Four, four, four, four.
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Four.
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Okay. High four, High.
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Four. I had a three on him. I mean, I, I'm surprised that he was still on the board here when you look at some guards, but you still have guys like Luke Kandra from Cincinnati, that's still.
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There. So he's my highest rated.
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Player. And Chase Lunt, I think Lunt's probably my highest guy now out of Yukon and Arlington. Martin.
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Product. I had this guy over, Jonah from.
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Zona. I'm not going to.
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Lie. I'm not going to lie. And I, you can say, hey, brought us LSU homer. I admit it. Yeah, LSU homer. This guy's a hell of a football player. He really, really is. And you know, the thing about it is in the sec, you know, the line for, for LSU was, was kind of one of the, you know, they were talked about as being one of the best in the country and at times they played very, very well. But he's played all the positions. This guy. He's transferred from Florida International and so when you. He passes the eye test. He's got functional length, he's got a filled out frame frame. He's strong on first contact. He can be a bully when he, when he wants to. The experience speaks for itself. This guy has made a ton of starts. He's six' six, he's 317, he's versatile. I mean, like I say, he's made 51 starts dependable. He's played every game in the past four season. He does lack a little bit of burst and lateral movement. He could be a little bit of a waist bender, minimal knee bend. And pass hits, but you get caught flat footed at times. But the recovery against NFL twists and stuff, I think he'll be okay with that. But I tell you what, he is one of those guys that you talk about Mauler throwing his body at defenders. You know, he gets the job.
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Done. The Rams just took Chris Paul Jr. That linebacker out of Ole Miss. That voch I know you talked about earlier today, 6 foot 230 plus pounds. I mean you talk about the powerful and smooth game kind of meshing together. He does both.
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Things. Shrine bowl man tackles everybody, really good verse to run. And we listened to him talk and he was really, you know, really big leader guy. Like he led all of those Ole Miss guys, you know, you know, Princely and JJ and all those other guys and Trey and they kind of followed his lead and that's how he plays as well. I didn't, I didn't think he was great as a pass defender. I thought that they threw the ball around him a little bit. But I tell you what, when he went to the Shrine bowl, he was defending the pass and I was like, hey, look at Chris Paul. So maybe in the game is different than a one on one situation there. But I mean that's his, that's his biggest wart. Like the, the movement and speed and maybe getting outside and you know, some of these running backs getting the corner on him and maybe the coverage or whatnot. But if it's anywhere between the boxes vicinity, he's, he's making plays there. And I was a big fan of him. I got him in the fourth round. I got him over Kobe.
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King.
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Okay. It's a good player right there. I mean, you nailed him. I think Pooh is his.
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Nickname. Poo.
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Paul. Poo Paul Jr. Transferred from Arkansas, but I think he does a really good job of kind of sniffing out the screen game. He's got, he's got a lot of awareness when it comes to that. And he's a high mode player. Does have the light frame. He looks a little thin, but he also has some pass rush ability. I was surprised with the coverage ability as well. And it stood out at the, like we were watching the Shrine bowl because we were going into that thinking like, oh my gosh, we don't have any good linebackers in this draft. And then here's Teddy Buchanan, here's Chris Paul Jr. Here's Dumas Johnson, and then Martin, the Memphis kid Chandler Martin, who might hear his name called here in a little bit as well. So Chris Paul Jr. Certainly one of these Guys that I think could end up. I mean, the Rams have hit when it comes to. To fifth rounders. Maybe he ends up being another one that ends up lining up and being a really quality starter for.
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Him. Yeah, Bills just took Jackson Hall's tight end from Georgia.
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Tech. It's the best blocking tight end in the.
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Draft. I heard that before on a draft show. Could transfer from.
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Yale. Right. He pays pass for runners in space or inside. He's wide frame, strong composition. I mean, he's built perfectly. He's not going to give you jack squat in the receiving game, but he'll block it, get you out at the point of.
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Attack. That'll be a good addition for that front.
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Five. Like the tight end version of Cam Jackson. I don't want him pass rushing, but gosh, he can stop.
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The. He can do a couple.
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Things. Like this would have been a Mike McCarthy special. Like, let me. He would have. He would have bent over backwards for.
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Jackson.
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Oz.
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What. You know what, Kyle? I was just looking back at the TV there and they was. They were showing, you know, the Sanders family celebrating the Browns pick and all that. I'll tell you what, man, he's probably made some enemies along the way, but just from a. Just content wise, right. I'm kind of rooting for him to kind of get the camp and tear it up.
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And. Yeah, you know, preseason should be fun in second half for the.
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Browns. It's gonna be.
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Awesome. Push Watson. Like, what if he goes out there and tears it up in preseason? Now we're having a conversation about the league. Vouch ain't saying this, but allegedly colluding. That's what they saying on the social media. Social media vouch ain't saying it's@dallas cowboys.com but just on Twitter they saying all. But what if Shador comes out and prove that he's a second round quarterback? I'm kind of rooting for that just to see what the content looks like from.
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That. That would be an interesting side of things. Denzel Burke, Ohio State does go off the board here to the.
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Cardinal. Man, that's a good.
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Pick. Talk about.
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Him. Yeah, go.
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Ahead. Yeah, this.
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Is. I. I like this kid as a.
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Nickel. Yeah, I do too. He's one of the more experienced DBs in the. This entire class played 51 games at Ohio State. He'll probably need to play in a zone scheme to account for below average speed. And maybe that's why it took a while for him to get picked. And he's not the biggest in the world, but Quick hips movement could be positive points if he's put in heavy man concepts. But I, I think I, I think this is a guy you want to develop as a nickel potentially. He's like a rover safety maybe. He's. He's got some versatility. I, I covered. I, I lose. Loosely covered his recruitment coming out and he was one of the top gets for Ohio State in that recruiting class. Just. I think he maxed out too early. I think that's maybe what happened. If you're looking at it from a recruiting perspective. But smart, instinctual, tons of experience, this is a safe pick you can make if you're the Cardinals here on day.
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Three. Some of his tape is really good in terms of like press man and ball in the air and finding the ball. I like him as a Ball is in the air, find the ball guy. But the backside of that is that he loses the wide receiver sometimes. And Oregon really gave him some.
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Feet. They ran by him a couple of.
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Times. They sure.
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Did. The Oregon game was a challenge for him. I wrote that.
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Down. I was giggling because I wasn't even watching him. I was just watching the Oregon kids. But his good tape is really good. So if you're a coach now, you just got to find out how to get the good tape out of him. And that may be. Just line him up at.
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Nickel. First true freshman to start a season opener on defense for the Buckeyes since 1990.
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96. Yeah, they loved.
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Him. Is that.
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Insane? They loved him.
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Coming. That is absolutely crazy. But yeah, you guys crushed it. Plus, he does add a lot of good value. You can block some puns for you. So special teams wise, he can contribute.
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Immediately. I just want to shout all of y' all out. We are prepared. We talking about D. I just, I just knew it was gonna be.
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Slowing down just beginning now we're just. We're only halfway.
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Watch. I might taper.
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Out. All right, well, you know, I'm looking down my board and I'm still looking.
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At. Hold your breath, rookie. Brian say, sit your ass.
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Down. We've got two.
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More. Rookie bro, we got two rounds. Brian say wait till we get the pick.
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220. I hope y' all have. I hope you have your top 10 UDFAs ready to.
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Go. I'll be on break. Don't talk. I'm.
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Leaving. I'm gonna be pulling up the beast for.
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B
That. Thank you. Dane Brugler, draft show alum. Now, the, the, the names that are still on this list, I mean, we're in the final two picks of the fifth round. The Seahawks board's holding.
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Up. All right.
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Man.
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Yeah. Saying my board's holding.
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Up. Ravens right here, 176 on the clock. You look up and down, there are names.
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D
Here.
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B
Yeah. And I think going into the sixth round, if you're the Cowboys, still some running backs. I have a couple corners that.
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A
I read a double dance that are still.
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B
There. Those are both double dip positions, but you take where the value is.
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E
Right? Yeah. I mean, the corners. Dorian Strong, who Brian brought up from VA.
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D
Tech.
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E
Yep. Robert Longer beams, a guy I've talked about on all day from Rutgers. I'd absolutely love two guys that I believe they visited with. Jamari Harris from Iowa and then Corey Black from Oklahoma State would still be there. And the running backs. Yeah, you got so many options if you want to double dip there. I mean, I don't thinkard Smith would be in play from SMU since you just took Jaden Blue, but, man, guy. And Damien Martinez and Ollie.
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D
Gordon. Give me a guy with some.
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Thump and Todd Brooks, bigger.
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Body. All four. All.
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Four. I know we saw. I mean, I know they, They'll. They'll tell you about with Sanders and Williams and stuff like that, but give me a young guy thump. Yeah. You know, give me that guy. I. I just. I.
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Like. Yeah, I like the.
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Name. Something like that, you know, Hell, you watch him play in the damn Big Ten. He's running through, running over people and stuff like that. I wouldn't have a problem with him, Neil. I wouldn't have a problem with Brooks.
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Martinez. Yeah.
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D
Yeah. I mentioned Alan. Alan is one of my favorite guys from serious Syracuse. You talk about a guy catch the ball and run over you. Now give me two backs that can catch the football.
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B
Here. Can I interest you in the sixth round of one? Ollie Gordon the.
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E
Second? Sure you.
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A
Can.
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B
Sure. I mean, we're in the sixth round at this point. You want a big body that can run people.
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E
Over. Yeah. I mean, all those running backs we just mentioned, I personally have ahead of Ollie.
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B
Gordon. I. I have multiple ahead of.
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E
Mine. Neil is the highest guy I've got left.
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D
Then. Todd, who's your highest rated defensive player. Player, by the way? Just. I just want to make.
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E
Sure. Defensive player.
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A
Mellow. Dotson and Hyenas, Peebles and Dorian.
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D
Strong. Okay. Yeah, strong. Peebles King hasn't been taken yet.
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E
Right?
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No. Kobe Kane.
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D
Linebacker. Yeah.
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B
Okay. I like things I. Alexander a lot.
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D
Too.
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E
Okay.
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B
Okay. I think I would throw him up.
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E
There. Jared Ivy from Ole Miss is my highest rated.
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D
Guy. All.
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A
Right.
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D
Okay. Still I feel like my board's holding together, though. I'm not gonna lie. I'm. I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing so.
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E
Far. Some of these centers going ahead of Seth McLaughlin, Ohio State, I kind.
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D
Of thought that he was like, look at this.
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Man. I kind of liked him as the bet. Like, if you're not going zable or you're moving somebody to center. I thought he was the best true.
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D
Center. I thought he was kind of like Kelsey a little bit, you know, guy that when he's uncovered, he could pull stood out in.
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Space.
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D
Alabama.
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Yeah. And then to Ohio.
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State. Yeah, you watch. You watch those Ohio State runners and they were, you know. Yeah, they. Left side of the offensive line. Great. Got a center that's really, really good too. But man, he. I don't know, maybe people don't, like. They think maybe he's a little bit of an undersized.
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E
Guy.
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D
Okay. Might be the problem there. But I kind of thought he's got some, some Jason Kelce to his game when uncovered and pulling out in front and getting the second levels, things like that. I mean, Alabama play a ton of big games when, you know, when it got hurt in the last year at Ohio State, maybe that. That's something that people are kind.
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Of looking at right now, looking at the board. The best players that I have that are not in. That are not in a. That are not in a double dip situation is. I got Peebles, the D tackle. Or maybe like Horsely, if you want a different. Like a. Like a different kind of guy. I think D tackle maybe has to be next. Like, it wouldn't make sense for us to draft a tight.
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End. Jay Toya from.
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B
Ucla. Yeah, I think he's on the. On their board here.
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Too. That'd be a good.
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Pick. I just think Horsley and Peebles.
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Are. I like Horsley. I wouldn't have no.
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Idea. I think people.
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D
Do. Are we talking about, like those two dudes? You guys made the comment after. You guys did a great job. Coach White Cotton, by the way.
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Did ask a good question when I asked him about the size guys.
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C
Right? Who's.
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D
That? About the size.
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Guys? Yeah.
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D
Yeah. About who asked him the.
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Question. Was it you asked that really good question about do you like your one takes 310 or like 330? He said, I like them all as long as.
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B
They. Oh, yeah. He said, I want.
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Playmakers. Playmakers is what he.
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Said. Are you going with like.
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D
The. I thought that Wolczuk asked that.
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Question. I don't know, Vodch asked that, but then I brought up like, I think maybe we make too big of a deal over the.
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D
One. Okay, that's what you asked the question and that's what I.
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E
Heard. It was a tag team effort.
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Zach. Can't say that. Let him finish. Go ahead. What'd you say about the.
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Question? I'm not going to hand pound now. That was.
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D
Awkward. Okay, if that's the case right now, you're okay then with talking about your one technique, your one techniques with your threes then.
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B
Right? Yeah.
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Sure. We can put them all.
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Together. I've always in my mind separated the two. Yeah, yeah, I've always separated.
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Them. But I'm running out of names though. Like. Like, I don't want to get down to like Simeon Barrow and them. I don't want to get down to Tim Smith and them. Yeah, Stackhouse is a big body, but I don't know if he makes plays in that kind of way. Like, he's a. He's a bigger.
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D
Dude. But are the threes better than the ones? If you compare them or put.
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E
Them together, there's more threes. I think toy is my.
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Highest. Toea Toya. Toea J. Toya.
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B
Toya. People in horse, by the way, final two picks of the fifth round. Robbie Oots tight end from Alabama goes to the Seahawks. Kind of a weird H back type of like old school tight.
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C
End. Old.
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School.
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B
Yes. Yeah, there you go. And then the jets traded into the final pick of the fifth round with Baltimore. They take Tyler Baron, Ed Drescher from Miami. So Buffalo is on the clock. We are officially into the six round of the NFL draft. Just wanted to catch you up on that.
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One. Kyle Yeoman's Nick Harris, Zach W. What do y' all think.
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About. Left out one guy, J.J.
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Pe. I talk to Brian every day. What do y' all think about J.J.
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E
Pegees? You don't need to ask me. You know, I like J.J.
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A
Pegees. Of course. Where's that? Wisconsin. I'm setting you.
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E
Up. You know, he's a good. He's a good player. He's more of a 3. He's a 3 tech.
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C
Though. I have him mid fifth. I have him 3, 5, like a 3, 5 tech. Probably more versatile in that sense. I think he's got the athleticism to do that. He's an Auburn transfer. He started his career as a tight end, so he's a nimble mover. He uses that offensive background to translate that athleticism. The interior defensive line used in situational offensive, short yard, yardage packages. So if you don't feel good about your short yardage offensive stuff. He had seven touchdowns on 21 carries last season. On the. He could carve out a roster role similar to how Scott Matlock does for the Chargers. Their rotational defensive tackle that they bring in as like a fullback slash blocking guy that can also work in short yardage situations. Sometimes he. He kind of gives me those kinds of.
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Vibes. He also has the nickname the Mayor, which I thought was pretty.
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Bad. Yeah. Because he's an Oxford.
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Native.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty.
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Sick. Oh, that's why they gave it to him. Okay, that makes.
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Sense. Yeah, that would be.
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A
Sick. I think. I think D line is the one place that you haven't. Or D tackle is. Is the one place that you haven't gone. I would say that we still have need there. And I think once you get out of that territory, I think you're right in double down land. So if you want to, you know, maybe get another edge that's, you know, maybe like a run defender or if you want to. Y' all may not want another offensive line, but I think Chase Lunt at this point, I think he's hard to pass up on. Or if you want another running back to pair up with Jaden Blue, I think it's slam dunk as.
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B
Well. Tell me a little bit about Peebles specifically. Why has he fallen so far? I know everybody's kind of in consensus that they're pretty high on.
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Him. For me, undersized, it's. It's definitely size. But when you watch them.
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D
Technique. He's a penetrator though.
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A
Right? Technique, leverage, get off ass, whoop. Like people's like, I got super fun ranked over Collins and Farmer because I thought that those guys lacked a little bit of technique or whatever. But peoples and his hand usage and his. And his power, I thought, I thought that kind of put him over those.
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E
Guys. Yeah, the size. I do think he kind of gets stuck on blocks at times, but he's super competitive and I like the play strength, height, maybe that is what's going to knock him here. But I mean, he's a guy that, gosh, when you were just watching some of these, these three techs, he had some of the most fun tape to watch. Like the stronger, bigger NFL guards, they might give him some trouble and maybe that's what they're thinking, the projection. But I was a big fan of Peebles game. Just the burst that he has, the first step, quickness, the spin move and his ability to just get up field and be.
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D
Disrupted. Kind of like when you're watching his tape, it's like he's the first guy off the ball and you're going, okay, who's this cat? And you know, he's getting in there and. And maybe I think Nick's right. I think that people see him as undersized, but God, he's.
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C
Disruptive.
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D
Yeah. You know, I. If you give me a guy that's going to line up in the gap and shoot the gap and. And cause problems and wreck blocking schemes and stuff like that. Geez, I played. I. Laurie Glover was here that same, same. I'm telling me, I'm here. I'm comparing him to a Pro bowl player, but that's the kind of a little bit smaller guy. But so disrupted getting up the field, you know, you're gonna see like, I love the folks in the back, they're doing a hell of a job. Look at that. Just. Just find a fighting through guys reaching back in there, you know, like I say, just. He's splitting the gaps here, you know. Who's this against? Looks like Rutgers. Yeah, look at.
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E
That. And just get.
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D
Guy. Yeah, just get in the backfield. Yeah, that's a guy that Kyle wants. I mean, I call Nick. He's a good guy. Gets trapped in the.
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B
Backfield. Now, one thing that stuck out for me for Peebles, whenever I was watching him, he reminded me of a guy that you had as a pet cat a couple years back. And Kaliyah Cancy. It's kind of like a poor man's shorter arms. The way he's disruptive, goes laterally. I thought off the ball like you said, he's got some explosions. Specifically, I wouldn't mind PE here in the sixth round if he can fall this.
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D
Far. His measurables are.
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B
Terrible. They're not.
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D
Good. They're not good. But. But this guy is like. You put him in the gap, you get him on the outside shoulder and he is going to find a way to win. And I think we're getting to the point in time of the draft where we're looking at traits. Oh, there's your spin move right there, Miami. That's a sack. That's the first overall pick going to the ground. You know that. Then here's Syracuse. They're about to sack quite a quarterback that hadn't been drafted. And those spin move. This is terrible. Radio. I'm sorry that you're not getting to see this.
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B
But. Well.
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E
Now. Well, the good thing is everyone's looking.
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D
Cool. Cool. All right. That's good, but I guess he's just. He's. He's basically six one and he's 282.
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E
Pounds. Okay. I'm getting asked a lot about two Texas.
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B
Kids. Can we hear from one Texas kid real quickly while we're.
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E
Waiting? Oh, for.
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B
Sure. The start of the. The 70s. The 177 pick in the start of the sixth round. Let's hear from Jaden Blue in the secret audio that we have to sneak.
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C
In. Hey.
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A
Buddy. Welcome to the Dallas Cowboys. Let's get it. Hey, we're excited about having you here. Yes, sir. Really are. Everybody in this room is excited, and we've been trying to trade up for the last six or seven picks. Scared we were going to miss you, but I'm glad we got you. Yes, sir. Let's get it. Okay. Well, boy, listen. Yeah, you've. You've come a great way from Houston and really just kept getting better. Kept getting better, kept having it together. If you'll keep on that trajectory and realize, boy, this opportunity of a lifetime, you're going to be a heck of a player. Yes, sir. All right, here's our coach.
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C
Jade. What's up.
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D
Man?
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A
Congratulations. You're a Cowboy. Appreciate it, man. We are so excited, man. Hey, can't wait to get you here, man. Can't wait to just see what you bring, the explosiveness, the passion for the game, brother. Can't wait to watch you compete. Yes, sir. All right. You're a Cowboy. Hold on one second. Why don't you talk to our OC and then our running back? Coach, hold on one.
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D
Sec. What's up.
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Blue? What.
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D
Up? How are you.
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A
Man? I'm.
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D
Good.
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A
Congratulations. Thank.
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D
You. Welcome to the Cowboys. Can't wait to watch you run for.
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A
Us. Yes.
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D
Sir. Looking forward to meeting you soon, brother. All right, here's Coach.
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A
Foster. Hey.
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Blue. What's up.
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A
Man? What up, Coach? How you doing? I'm good.
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D
Man. I'm freaking fired.
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A
Up. I'm excited to have you a part of this deal.
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D
Man. Welcome to the Dallas Cowboys.
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A
Man. How about that? Let's get it.
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B
Coach. Let's get.
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E
It. You know what I.
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A
Mean? Let's go to.
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C
Work. All.
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A
Right. Day one, when you in this building, it's business.
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D
Time. You got.
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A
It? Yes.
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B
Sir. All right.
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A
Man. Enjoy your.
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B
Day. Congratulations.
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A
Man. Thank.
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C
You. All.
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A
Right. All.
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B
Right. The 149th pick. 149th pick of the draft as.
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D
We are back, got the coaches more excited than the.
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B
Kids. Yeah, they really.
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E
Are. Anytime Loose gets on the phone, he's fired.
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D
Up. It Makes you.
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C
Nervous. Kids are nervous. They got a lot of things going on.
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D
Around.
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C
Sure. It was fascinating to hear Jerry talk about trading up. There was an opportunity they thought they had in hand, and then it kind of fell through last minute. But, yeah, blue appeared to be the target the whole.
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B
Way. All right, so the first pick is in for the second, sixth round. Dorian Strong corner from Virginia Tech, third team, all ACC from last season. Zach, you said you wanted to talk about a couple Texas.
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E
Guys. Yeah, I mean, we can. We can talk. Dorian Strong here. I just wanted to ask because I. I know I've been asked about this a lot, what you guys think about, you know, this point in the draft. You've got Cam Williams, former Duncanville player, offensive tackle, and then Isaiah, and I think both have a chance to.
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C
Go undrafted at this point. Yeah, it's an interesting question. And the Cam Williams one is more interesting than, I think, Bond, because Bond is a little bit more explainable. But with Cam Williams, I think, you know, towards like, November of the season, people were talking about him as, like, a hipster first round.
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D
Pick.
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C
Gosh. And did the Ravens take another one of your.
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D
Guys? No, I just. You guys were talking, and I was working on something. Dorian.
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E
Strong. Yeah, Dorian's.
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D
Trying. I'm.
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E
Sorry. Well, we'll talk about him in a second. You can go ahead and talk because I know.
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D
You. I'm sorry about.
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C
That. No, you're okay. I'm.
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D
Sorry. No, no, go.
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C
Ahead. I think I completely forgot what I was talking.
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D
Williams. Yeah. I think the Texas.
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C
Kids. He had a knee injury late in the season. He's also got some medical background stuff that's not the most encouraging. He's always had weight issues his entire football career. I covered him at Duncanville, and that was the big question. Going into Texas is like, okay, Texas offensive line coach Kyle Flood really likes these big boys now, and.
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B
He.
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C
He. If you're not 300, you are not on his board. And he. He. He got his weight relatively in check, but I think it's still a concern for some teams. And the Ravens just took one of my favorite DBs in this class.
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E
Too. Yeah, that's another good one. Yeah. Williams got flagged for character plus medical. And then you got Bond, who's a.
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D
Character.
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C
Coney.
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E
Yeah. Both of these corners back to back are good.
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D
Talk. Go ahead and do strong if.
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A
You.
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E
You. You take strong. Strong was one of your.
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D
Guys. You liked him. You got Coney.
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C
Good. Yeah, go ahead. Strong. I'll follow a.
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D
Coney. Yeah. I want to give this kid his.
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B
Due. I mean, he's the one thing I'll say about.
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E
Strong. I didn't like the number 44 was weird to me. I didn't like watching the 44 as a corner man. This kid in the.
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D
Notes. This kid is real thin, man. Is that Coney? God, he's a good.
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B
Player. Yeah, he.
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E
Is. He's big and.
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A
Long. Let's.
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B
Start. Let's go in order. So Bills with.
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D
Strong. I got him. I.
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C
Good.
- [296:56]
D
Yeah. Here we go. Uh, yeah. Real thin athlete. He plays with a chip on his shoulder, though, smoothing the way he moves. He's a. I think he's a press man. Corner. Moves his feet well for the position. He knows how to keep leverage and route. He's very comfortable carrying routes all over the field. Plays well with his hands. That's why I was hoping Dallas would take this kid. He's got a careful. Be a little too. He can be a little grabby at times, but he could be disruptive in the way he goes about his job. He'll get his hands on balls due to his footwork, his length. He had two interceptions in the Duke game, but I think he's a little bit of a gambler by nature, but he gets away with it. He's got to feel how to play around a receiver in order to knock the ball away. He has a feel for. He does a good job of driving on the ball when necessary. There's an element to his game that reads the quarterback and then boom, he's right there on it. He plays well with the ball down the field. Get his eyes around. He'll engage in the running games. Despite his build, I think he does a really good job of closing the ball and wrapping up. And when it gets in position at 611-85-you wouldn't think this guy would be that way, but he's got an element again to. Of toughness to his.
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E
Game. He had a little Cheeto to him where he has great coverage and.
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D
Then just slightly misses the.
- [298:04]
E
Ball. Yeah, it's like, dude, you're.
- [298:05]
D
You're. You're.
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E
There.
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C
Intercepted.
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E
And. Oh, he just.
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D
Doesn'T. That right there, you know. Oh, we had a box. But say. Yeah, but just the previous play, there was a. There was a. The way the route came underneath, he was able to drive on. That's what you hate, man. Like run after catch, they break you. And now it's. Instead of a four yard gain, it's a 14 yard gain. And I think this kid does it. Did a really good job of eliminating those.
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E
Types. He's super smart. I mean, sometimes it's like he just has an innate feel for knowing what the route that the receiver wants to run. So, yeah, I think that's a really strong pick. But go ahead and talk. Cony, the Western Michigan kid, also a good.
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C
Player. Yeah. Bilal Kone. Yeah. Native of Ivory coast. Was. Was.
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D
Born. Is that the. It's the. It's like. It was like, almost like it was corny Coney with the. Is the Coney. So you take that Y and you a. Okay.
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Coney. Yeah. Bilal Kone, Admittedly, I had no idea who he was when we showed up at the Senior bowl in Mobile. He was one of those guys that I just had to catch up on, I guess, and oligarchy just came off the board to Miami. We'll talk about him in a minute. But Bilal Kone, again, admittedly didn't know who he was in Mobile. He's got kind of a crazy background. Born in the Ivory coast, moved to the Minneapolis area as a kid and went through a stretch of time where he was homeless. His younger brother had passed away, and he went to go live with the family of Trey and Tyus Jones, who are in the NBA, if y' all are NBA fans. And that's where his athletic career kind of started. Didn't really start playing football until his sophomore year of high school. And he played as a receiver. It makes sense because he's big, he's tall, he's long, and he was able to translate those ball skills of the receiver position to the DB spot. And that's where he played whenever he enrolled at junior college. He didn't have any offers coming out. Went to Iowa Central Community College, transferred to Indiana State, made his way to Western Michigan. And he's got great ball skills. He was at the Senior bowl with his this big, long, long, tall frame. And he stands out and you're like, who is that? And then he starts making plays and plays and plays downfield. He's going to be an interesting outside corner option that I think could pan out, but at the very least, he's going to give you high effort and he's going to be a special teams guy early on before he could potentially carve out a.
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Role. Really good timing. Led the team in past breakups each of the last two seasons. One thing that annoyed me is.
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He tackles a little high because he's.
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Tall. Yeah. Yeah. But a man, he. He is a guy that just. He breaks on the ball really, really.
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Well. Peggies just went.
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To. Oh man, these are back to back.
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Guys. Yeah, let's go with Ollie Gordon, running back out of Oklahoma State as a possible guy to talk through here. Because of course running back, you, you took Jaden Blue there in the fifth round. But Gordon was a heavy name and again, if you could get 2023 Ali Gordon, then you might feel pretty good about what you're.
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Getting. Miami loves her Texas.
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Boys. They.
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Do. On his last year tape, he was just punishing people and they was just bouncing off and he was.
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Just. The 23.
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Tape. 23 tape. Pardon me. He's just a punisher and bodies just bounced off of him and he would make big plays and he'll get caught and he still would be hard to tackle, you know what I'm saying? Getting him from behind goal line, he was nasty even when he caught passes. I was shocked to see him catching passes last year. But man, the 2024, there's a pass catch right there. But in 2024, man, the tape is just night and day and if you can just. I don't know what the secret sauce is, but just get him back to 2023, you got a guy that would be like a second round pick in his draft maybe if he's 2023 Gordon. So figure that out. But what a dude. Hugh Mungus got big, big body, big dude. I wanted to see him block a little better for how big he is. I was upset about that, but you know what I'm saying, He's humongous. I want to you to be that way when you're blocking. He would chop a lot of people. He would, you know, lower his head. I'm like, come on man, square up and hit these people. But as a runner.
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Punishing. Yeah, he could be a three down back. I mean he was a guy. When we were doing Friday night stars in this studio, we were talking about him just kicking ass and taking names of Ulis Trinity local dude. But it is wild. Like two years ago, Doak Walker Award winner, Big 12 Offensive Player of the year. And then it just looked like hesitant, didn't trust what the heck he was doing this past season. So I'm hoping maybe behind a better offensive line you can, you can go ahead and get that 2023 Ali Gordon.
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Version. Can I, can I talk about the pick the Eagles just.
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Made?
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Yeah. Howie.
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Roseman. Oh.
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No. Howie Roseman. I promise if you give me a phone call someday, I think we're going to have a lot of similar thoughts on guys. Kyle McCord was my QB4 in this class. I had a third round grade on him. I had him over guys like Jackson Dark, Quinn Ewers, Tyler Shuck, Dylan Gabriel. I I am a big Kyle McCord.
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Guy. Out of three on him.
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Too. A production. His pocket presence, he doesn't really give you a whole lot outside of the pocket. I know we were talking about that this morning. Was that with Clayton Adams talking about or. No. Steve Shimko talking about quarterback mobility and how that's kind of changed around the league. But he has shown some ability to get outside of the pocket and he can throw on the run. But he's a guy who has some really, really talented pocket maneuvering. I feel like he was kind of the better than shuck at a. Yes, I agree and at at, at Ohio State I feel like he was made the scapegoat for what happened in 2023 there. That was not the case. It was the play caller and they bring in a new play caller in 24 with a worst quarterback and what do you know, they won the national championship. But Kyle McCord, he can push it downfield. He's. His timing in the short to intermediate game is solid. He's efficient, precise. He took on a complex system at Syracuse 2 and I think this is one of the more interesting points that I like like about Kyle McCord. That's not an easy offense that they do at Syracuse. This new staff that they've had in place under Fran Brown has really taken it forward and they are leading some of the maneuvering in the college game on the offensive side of the ball. You know, I talked about Louisville being one of those offensive teams that implement some various scheme stuff that's picked up around college football. Syracuse is another one. And Kyle McCord not only picked that up, he thrived in it. And he after more passing yards than any quarterback in the FBS last year. Smart qb, high iq. He can fit throws into tight windows. He. He knows when to make a risk. He knows when to not. I think this is going to be a really talented passer. I just don't know how he gets on the field with Jalen Hurts but if he does, I think the Eagles have their backup.
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Quarterback. It's my video that's.
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Amazing. I'm with you in terms of everything you said about Kyle McCourt. He throws a gorgeous ball and he, he's got some nice touch on it. I loved him proving that he can fight through the adversity because you're 100% right. They lose to Michigan at Ohio State and they blamed it all on Kyle McCord, and he transfers over to Syracuse and balled out. And to me, you know, being able to see that good young man, high character. It's a bummer that he's now going to the Eagles. But the pick before J.J. pegues we were talking about from Ole Miss, man, J.J. mcGeese is just a really, really good athlete. I mean, his ability, you talked about it earlier, to, like, kind of moonlight on offense. Maybe he can be a tight end for you. You want to go ahead and hand him the football in a. In a big boy kind of fridge like, package. He can do that for you. Burly dude and apparently very, very high character from stuff that you hear from him. So, to me, I like the hands. I like the lower body strength. I think he's slippery up the field. I was a big fan of jj. That's a good pick there for the Raiders here in the sixth round. I had him way.
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Higher. Some really good names. We just talked about it at the beginning of the sixth round. All rolling off Dorian, strong corner from Virginia Tech. Yeah. Coney from Western Michigan. Ollie, running back from Oklahoma State. Peggies from. From Miss or Ole Miss defensive tackle. And then, of course, Kyle.
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McCord. There's that. Peggy's short yardage. Get in there, big.
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Boy. It's.
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Fun. I love.
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It. Talk about a.
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Tush. You don't need to push any torch with him. He pushing tushes.
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Huh? He pushing.
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Tush. He's tushing.
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Pushes. Good thing we're not FCC regulated right now. I feel like there's.
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No. That's.
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Allowed. That's.
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Allowed. That's what you.
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Think. Terry Jones said that maybe they're tush pushing around here these.
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Days.
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Yeah. I don't know if y' all caught.
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That. Oh, yeah, it was. It was probably the funniest moment of that presser to hear.
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That. Yeah, that's impressive.
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Yeah. Look at this whoop. Over the.
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Top. Come on. I mean, that's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Give me the nose wipe. First 15 yard.
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Penalty. Yeah, that's not allowed.
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Anymore. Awesome.
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Athlete. Can't do.
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That. Yeah. I love JJ Peggies. Fun athlete, no.
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Doubt. All right, Patriots are on the clock. We still got a long way to wait for the Cowboys. All the way down at 204. They traded to 11 to get up there to Shamar Shemar James almost did it again. Shamar James, the linebacker from Florida. 204 is where they're picking next, so they got a little bit of ways to go here before we have them back on the clock. I mean, at this point in time, Brian, this is where the scouts are digging in the bag and trying to find either traits or value depending on who's.
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Falling. Yeah, I, I think to me it's. Now you're, you're trying to kind of maybe hone in on some.
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Positions. We have our first kicker off the board, Borgarnes and what please y Patriots at 182. Take Andres.
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C
Boregales. I know more about Zach Walch than I do Andre.
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Boregalis. Well, that's.
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Crazy. Well, this is good. This is our first time we can dip into the.
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Be. I was about to say there's no way you know anything.
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About. No, I.
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Didn'T. Scout.
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Special. I didn't watch a single kicker, but guess where Dane had him. Kicker won sixth.
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Round. Gosh, he's so.
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Good. There's not a single write up on him. I can't tell you anything about him, but he did nail where he projected him to.
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Go. Good job. Well done.
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Dane. Yeah, maybe if the Cowboys didn't have Brandon Aubrey and Brian Anger, I, I, if they did not, I would have put some work in. But I mean, the only guys that I saw in person were the senior Shrine bowl guys and I, I.
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Don'T. I'm sorry to.
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Interrupt. No, man. Oh.
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B
Good. You were talking about positions at.
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Home. No, yeah, this is, this is. Yeah, I kind of feel like. Oh, look at this.
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Highlight. Oh, kicker.
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Tape. Let's evaluate. Good snap.
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Good. Look, Jazzy. Jazz told us they had like 500.
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Plus. It looked like he missed that.
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One. He had 18 and 19. That might have been the.
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One. Wait, did you see like he, he, like he had his hands like. Oh, no, I just missed this.
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One. They just showing the form right now. They missed that one. They made it in.
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That. Oh, he's just got this demeanor like he's missing field.
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C
Goals. Shank left. Looks like me on.
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CFB25. I can't kick.
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Foot. Looks.
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Like. But no, this is a. I love it that we got the highlights. This is outstanding. The, the, the thing with. When you're starting to look. Boy, that was close to the.
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Post. This guy's not.
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Good. This might be the game winner. There we go, Cal. That was. That was. That was a crazy.
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Game. Oh, look at.
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This.
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Wow. That was.
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Five. That's it.
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Louisville. That's 55 on the road. Hey, this is good. This is live.
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Evaluation. Yeah. Oh.
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Jim. I don't know, Jim. I don't know.
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Jim. Brian, can you walk me through what could have been in the Thought process behind taking Sebastian Janikowski in the first.
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Round. That's a great.
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Question. I'll tell you. I was, you know, Mr. Yeah. You know, people question me as Al Davis. I think you all are idiots. I've drafted Ray Guy is a.
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Punter. Oh, from the.
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Punter. It's from Southern Mississippi. Nobody knew about it but me to the.
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Top.
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You're. I'm the.
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Best. I'm the.
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Best. No, Gruden was telling the story about. He's like, we're about to do.
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What? I would have.
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Quit. John's like. I think John used a couple of choice words, words.
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Too. Oh, I'm.
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Sure. What in tarnation are we doing drafting a.
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Freaking. We're going to take a punter here. We're going to take a kick of John from Florida State. I like him a lot. But, but that's, that's Mr. Davis. He, he didn't care. I mean obviously we, over the years we talked about Raider drafts and you know, if the guy ran the fastest time at the Senior bowl, that was probably going to be a guy that was going to be probably a first round pick for the, for the Raiders and stuff. But yeah, John was just, yeah, there's a lot of choice words that John used when he talked about. John said he got up and went to his office and just closed the.
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Door. Did he get a 5th year.
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Option? Picked it up, picked up the 5th year option there. But yeah, Al Davis has drafted a punter and a kicker and I think the only other first round kicker was the Saints picked in 1979. Picked Russell Erk was the name.
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Russell Erxleben legend from the University of.
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Texas. Speaking of the.
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Saints. Yeah. Well, The Titans at 183 took Marcus Harris corner from California and then the New Orleans Saints take running back Devin Neal from Kansas. Devin Neal off the board. Why did he fall this far? What.
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Happened? Probably because he's not super speedy. Speedy guys and there's a lot of.
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Competition. It's a class, man. I think, I think a lot of these teams were like, okay, we can wait on a back, we can wait on a back. And I think they collectively thought that just kind of collective thinking. I'd be surprised if we don't see a lot of these backs start coming off. I mean we could talk about Damian Martinez, Manangai, Taj Brooks, Burchard Smith, Laquin Allen, Corey. I mean there's a lot of backs left in this class ready to be drafted. And Devin Neal's a talented.
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Guy. Yeah, he's A complete back. I mean, incredible.
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Score. He's a good.
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Player. Really good patient runner, good vision, very elusive in the open field. Now he's got the compact build. I like that for the position. Like he looks like a running back to me. Great downhill runner. When you get him laterally he does lose some effectiveness. Able to bounce off contact with good balance. Super productive. He was the all time leading rusher for KU for total touchdowns and 100 plus yard games. Can get the dirty yards between the tackles. He really can do a little bit of everything for you. Makes the first guy miss. He can improve as a pass block and he's not necessarily the breakaway guy, but in this class I understand maybe why he slid because there's just so many good running backs. But Devin Neal is a really, really good player. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being the heir apparent to Alvin Camara in that.
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Backfield. Yeah, I could see that. And it's probably the best offensive weapon that Kellen Morris drafted this weekend. He's drafted a bunch.
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Of. Yeah, let's look at that.
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Class. A bunch of.
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C
What? Yeah, it has not. I've not liked this Saints class top to bottom. It has just not.
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Been. Was it what I called him last.
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Night? I'm going to pull up the picks.
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Right? Kelvin Banks.
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Jr. I love Banks. Let me, let me start with that. I love Banks. Tyler Schuck, you know how I feel about.
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That. Vernon Broughton early, Jonas Sanker, Danny Stutzman, Gross, Quincy.
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Riley. I do like.
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Riley. And then Devin Neal. I think the last two picks, probably the best.
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Picks.
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C
Yeah, I agree. But yeah. Fascinating first class for Kellen Moore down in New Orleans. As we start to get closer to this Cowboys. Cowboys pick. Looking around at the. The needs still obviously receiver. Like let's take. Take round value out of it. Let's just say in general, looking at this roster, this team right now needs receiver. You could use another corner. Yeah, you could use another defensive.
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Tackle. I would argue running back. I would argue defensive tackle and maybe another. Another.
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C
Corner. How would you rank all of those? What would you say is the most pressing other than receiver? We know it's.
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Receiver. You only have five defensive tackles on the roster and you're not confident in many of those. So I would say defensive tackles number one right on the.
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Board. Probably.
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B
Right. I would say corners number two. I would love to take a wide receiver. No, wide receiver takes two, corner.
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C
Three. So you had put receiver at three at the third most.
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B
Pressing. No, two. I just flipped.
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Them. I still think wide receiver is probably number.
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One. Wide receiver has to be one, Receiver would be.
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C
Two.
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Okay. Who are you going to get.
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Here? I know you need.
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One. No, no, no, no. I'm saying roster in general. I'm not saying take the draft out of the equation. Let's talk about pressing needs on.
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This.
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Yes. By far, wide receiver two is number.
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One.
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Yes.
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Sorry. And so I'm saying take that out of the equation because let's say that that's. That's going to get addressed with a.
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Vet. Yeah, probably corner defensive.
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Tackle. I'm leaning towards the thought process that wide receiver is going to get addressed with a.
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Veteran. Yeah, I think so.
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Too. So defensive tackle one, running corner two, running back three. I would probably go corner one, defensive tackle two, running back three. But I'm open to some other.
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Ideas. I mean, I'd be willing to beg for longer beam here from.
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C
Rogers. Yeah, I wouldn't. I.
- [314:17]
B
Would. I would actually love for you to bag. What would that look.
- [314:20]
E
Like? Please, please, please, please, please, please draft Robert Longerbeam, the cornerback out of Rutgers. You lost Jordan Lewis this offseason. You need somebody that's scrappy as hell, that can play the slot, that has a big heart and a chip on his shoulder for being a small package. And Robert Longerbeam has that. He's also got pretty good arms. He can break on the football. He is tough as hell. He's going to smack somebody. I love him. He's going to end up starting for you this year. If you liked what you got from Anthony Brown and six the round, this guy can be another six round. Gym at corner draft Robert longer beam out of Rutgers. Please, please, please, please.
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B
Please. That was pretty good. I like it. That was very convincing. All right. Pick number 185, the Pittsburgh Steelers select quarterback Will Howard. Ohio State to the.
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D
Steelers. I'll tell you what, this, I, I have this guy in the third round and I think there's, you know, everybody says, oh, well, there's all that talented Ohio State. I get, I get it. There is. But there's somebody that has to get the ball to the talent. There's somebody that has to make plays. There's somebody that has to show toughness in the way that they play. Will Howard, you know, he transferred from Kansas State. He does a great job of getting the ball to his playmakers. The talent around him, of course, is impressive. He takes advantage of that. He knows how to get the ball out of his hand. He knows where he wants to go. He can make things happen that way. I think he does a Pretty good job of reading pre snap and then executing the play. His accuracy in the playoff games and the championship game was better than it was against Michigan later in the season. But he throws the ball well in the tight coverage. His teammates do a good job of going to get it. His placement can be very good. Plays a lot of snaps in a clean pocket. I understand that. But he does have some mobility that allows him to get out of the pocket and avoid some sacks. He has just enough athletic ability where Chip Kelly designed some, had some design runs for him. But I don't think his arm streak is great. But I'll tell you what, his accuracy I think can make up for that. He had some really two bad throws against Michigan, which likely cost his team an opportunity to win that game. But I think his experience, his playoff run was pretty impressive and I think those results were even better for that. I like the kid. I had him in the third round, six four, 236.
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Pounds. Size was impressive. I didn't think he was all that big. Just like watching him in passing. But you know when you watch film and like they run with him like quarterback runs with him, like he's, he's thumping people out there because he got a little more, you know, just a little more weight on him. I, I had him high. Bryant, me and you talked about him. We were very impressed with him. He was a third rounder for me. I definitely would have taken him a little bit earlier if the Cowboys were a more put together team then maybe he's a guy that you could talk about. But we got knees and we still ain't even touched.
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C
It. I'm shocked when yours is still on the.
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Board. Yeah, that's a name we have not talked about. And I'm honestly that would not surprise me if the Cowboys like Quinn Ewers at some point.
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D
Here. Cheder Sanders is also shocked he's still on the.
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Board.
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D
Yeah. Quinn, yours. He's shocked that Quinn yours is.
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B
Still. I was like, wait, what? I was like, did I miss something? Cleveland, give it.
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Back. I wonder if he's regretting not hitting the.
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D
Portal.
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B
Yeah. Because there was some nil possibilities.
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C
There and he already would have made more if he had went back. But I, I, he, he was so loyal to the University of Texas. Texas that he wanted to go out as a Texas Longhorn, not as something else. And I, I can respect.
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B
That.
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C
Sure. I, I think if you had asked anybody, it would have been like third round, best case scenario for Quinn and like top of the fifth, worst case and now we're sitting here going into the middle of the sixth. Yeah, I, I think he's, I think he's worth a swing more than Will.
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Howard.
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Yeah. Does anyone have Will Howard above.
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Quinn? Me, I do think both.
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Yeah. Both of.
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You. Let me.
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See. I got Quinn in the four. Howard and a five. So a low four on Quinn and a high three for.
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Me. Put them.
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Both. Would I say.
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Five? Put them.
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Both. Pardon me. Howard is a high three. I read it backwards. Howard is a high three for me. Like a one, three, two or something like that. Brian.
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Bros. There you.
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Go. And Quinn, yours would be like a 1, 4, 8 for.
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Me. I have a late 4 on Quinn, so yeah, he would be. He and Riley Leonard are my two draftable grades at quarterback grade.
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C
Remaining. Quinn is my second highest player left on my board behind Damian.
- [318:25]
B
Martinez. Wow. And I know you were pretty high on him because you've known him for a while and I just know the traits are.
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C
There. I know the traits are there. He just needs time. If you give him a couple years in the right system, I think he's going to be just fine in this league. I really do. He's got the arm talent. When you talk about pure arm.
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Talent. Oh.
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C
Yeah. You stack it up with anybody in this class and I think that's truly the case. I know teams think that too. High character guy drew rave reviews. He had to answer for some things during the pre draft process and I think there was a unanimous saying of we don't have any concerns.
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D
There.
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C
Yeah. And yeah, I think Quinn's certainly worth a pick. He's nearby in South Lake waiting on that phone call. So yeah, we'll see when Quinn comes off the.
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Board. Brian Broad, what do you, what do you think about drafting Riley Leonard to be a power back for.
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E
You? It's not a bad idea if you want somebody to just come in for short.
- [319:13]
D
Yardage. I kind of, I kind of felt like I was watching Tim Ta Tebow.
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Play. They won some games doing.
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That.
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Yeah. Like it's like Notre Dame gets the lead and all of a sudden they get a defensive stop and they go into their four minute offense and it turns to like 1958 football where they just snap him the ball and he powers ahead. That kid's got a lot of toughness. So I did, I thought it was watching Tim Tebow play playoff games with how he was able just to kind of run through people and sometimes he makes a good pass and other times he doesn't. But I, I, I, I just didn't see, and I. I saw toughness, I saw willingness, and I. And people would say, oh, is he like that guy in New Orleans? You know, Is he like Taysom Hill? I don't think he has. I don't think he has. I think Taysom Hill's got a little bit more quickness to.
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Him. He's not tackling people on teams and stuff. Yeah, right.
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Leonard. Yeah.
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It. Doesn't he have a medical red flag? I mean, it's a sixth.
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Round. It's Riley Leonard have a medal, a red.
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Flag. I want to say he. Oh, another kicker goes off the board. Tyler loop from Arizona, 186 to the.
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Ravens. What am I miss? Gonna.
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Be. That means he must be a.
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Badass. That's probably bye bye to the massage.
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Guy. What am I.
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Damn.
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A
Whoa. What am I missing about just.
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Massaging the issue just in.
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Case. That's all it is. Just to be.
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Prepared. Sorry, Vodch, I had to get that one.
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In. They wanted to bring him to the.
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Table. Not gonna be a.
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Happy. Hey, hey. But I'm. Kyle painted a picture with that one. That's.
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Enough. It looks like Rourke and Mertz were the medical flag.
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Court. Oh, my God. And Beam's got the highlights.
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Huh? Of course he's got the highlights. All right. My evaluations. He looks better than the kicker we just.
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Watched. Can we get the camera on Kyle? He's dying in the.
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Corner. That's awesome. Tarnation going on in.
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Yeah. And you wanted to be a part of.
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This. I ain't doing it next year, I'll tell you that. That ain't my choice. I wouldn't invite it.
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Back. Me and you.
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Both. Can we get focused for a second, please? Can we focus and be.
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Serious? Yeah, go.
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Ahead. Go.
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Ahead. I forgot my.
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Damn. I have a question.
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Box. Hey, man. Forgot my damn.
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Question. Hold on, hold on, hold.
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On. Let me ask you.
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This. All right, here we go. Y' all ready? Ready. All right, cool. What am I missing about Crosky Merit? Jakori Crosky Merit.
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The. The fact that he did not play last year, and I think there's still some level of comp concerns there. I think that was a guy that media. Media scouts loved a lot more than teams. I. I still had him in the fifth, personally, but the age and the fact that he didn't play last year and that he only had, like, one season at FBS ball, I think that that's. That's where the concerns were. Oh, man, the Texans just keep loading up on.
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Great.
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Yeah. Jalen Reed Jalen.
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Reed. Gosh, man, that's.
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A. Hey. That I wasn't a huge fan of of his compared to some of the other safeties. But at this point of the draft, that's a really good value to get Jalen Reed out of Penn State. I think he was one of the best close to the line of scrimmage players here from the safety position can blitz really well. Comes up and tackles, has the size second team all Big Ten. He led Penn State and tackles with 98, which was a big jump from the 46 he had the previous season. I liked his running mate, Kevin Winston Jr. Way more. But Jalen Reed is a guy if you're looking for somebody that can come up and hit you. He doesn't always look comfortable in coverage, but he shows instincts downhill. And that's something where if you want a physical player, and they probably do because they've already got a guy that's a pretty good center fielder in Houston with Jalen Petrie. Jalen Reed can be a good.
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Compliment. I'm looking up because I had him as a Cowboys possible fit late in this draft because, I mean, as we've seen, they weren't necessarily hunting safety, but he's an extremely smart, calculated football player. Makes the right reads and attacks, recognizes run fits, ability to plug a gap there too from the safety spot. Good acceleration of the ball, long speed, consistent motor. Became a problem at times between those two things. Would struggle in coverage sometimes as well and get lost in man coverage over the middle. I thought when you had those two paired together, Winston Jr. And Reed both kind of had their own times missed. I thought they were one of the best tandems at safety in the Big Ten, if not in the country. And you talked about what he was able to do from a production standpoint, this is a value pick later on in this day.
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3. Yeah, this kid doesn't have a passive bone in his body. The way he plays, he's going to get downhill in a hurry. I think his angles and his eyes could be a little streaky at times when you watch him play, but other than that, man, they. They did. This is a really. This is a nice.
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Pick. Why does he.
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Fall? What do.
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We. Where did you have him? Actually, let's start him in the fourth.
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Round. His tackling could be a little all over the place. You know, me watching. Watch Ohio State and watch the Boise tape. You know, I mean, sometimes he falls off ball carriers. I mean, he hits a little high. He drives or dives at the ankles of guys and he stops his feet. And so I kind of felt like that maybe that as much as aggressive as he is, there's some times where he doesn't always finish. Like he needs.
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To. Can I go on a.
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Race?
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Sure. Did Damien Martinez kill.
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Somebody? I don't know. They just took a player with the Mullings.
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Went.
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Yeah. And Mullings had a medical flag.
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Too.
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Yeah. And was not a feature role in that. In that Michigan offense. I don't understand. I don't understand Damian Martinez slipping this bad. This is a power back. He's shown home run ability. He can be that guy in pass protection. I think he has the receiving knacks. This is. This is an RB1 type talent, in my opinion. Am I. Am I missing something with Damian Martinez? I just. I'm. I'm floored. I'm floored that some of these backs are starting to go above.
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Him.
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Sure. You can make the case for, you know, Common on guy Taj Brooks to be slipping. And I don't agree, but you can make the case. I don't think you can make the case for Damian Martinez. I don't. I don't see why he's. He's not been taken.
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Yet. I've got Brooks over Martinez, personally. I do too, but I mean, I've got both in the fourth round. But I'm with you, man. Like, I think both those guys are deservedly guys that have been picked by now. If you're picking them here, you're getting excellent value. Same thing with Giddens from Kansas.
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State. Anybody like Castro? Like we were talking about safeties and stuff from.
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Iowa. Yeah.
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Yeah. I didn't.
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Mind. I didn't mind.
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Cash. I was kind of wondering why.
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He wasn't the third player on my board still.
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Left. Yeah, I got a 5:1, so I'm. I'm kind of.
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Cool. Who's the top player left for forever? Because I got Ted Johnson as my Damian.
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Martinez. I think mine is Tez as well. I'm pulling it.
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Up. And then Chase.
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Lunt. Chase Lunt for me. Bershar Smith. I got Mellow Dyson up.
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There.
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Yeah. I got Lunt McLaughlin and then Peebles. And then I could throw Kobe King in there as well at.
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102. Peebles, Tez Johnson, Zai Alexander, Sebastian Castro, Luke Kandra from. I don't have it next to its name.
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Here. Conor Kobe as.
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Well. I.
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Must. That's.
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Cincinnati. Andre Kendra's a good.
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Player. Back in the war room here, we're showing shots of the war room.
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Again. Pretty calm. What are We. How far are we.
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Kyle? Yeah, we're pretty far. 15.
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Picks. Okay, that's not too bad. They're on the board on the NFL Network.
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Stream.
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Let's. We haven't heard a selection in a while. Let's hear from the colts at pick.
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189. Hello, Greenberry. Hello, Coats fans. I hope you see in Berlin with the 189th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Annapolis coach the best team in the.
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World. Select Wiley Leonard, quarterback, Notre.
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Dame. Here we.
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Go. There's running.
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Back. Good.
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Timing. Riley.
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Leonard. Is he going to compete with Jonathan Taylor for starting time in that.
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Backfield? This is really fascinating because Chris Ballard, their J. GM spoke up Quinn Ewers quite a bit and there was a lot of connection between Indianapolis and Quinn Ewers. So for them to pivot and take Riley Leonard, that's pretty.
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Telling. Yeah, the weird. I think this is one of the tough. This is. This is one of the toughest quarterbacks in the.
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Draft. Yeah, I.
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Agree. His physical play style is impressive. The staff, we use him to close out games. I've talked about that. He's a battler in every sense of the word. He struggles with his accuracy and his mechanics. He just isn't a good player. And there are times, I mean, you talk to people in South Bend, they're surprised that his passing wasn't better after transferring from Duke. There's some throws he can make, but there's others that are really hard for him. You will see him go through his progressions, but the faster he has to play, the more likely something bad is going to happen. I don't think he has the arm talent in order to make the throws. When he gets into trouble, I think he's going to need talent around him. Notre Dame did a nice job with that. I think the best thing he does is run the football. He could be a weapon on short yardage and goal line situations. He's not going to make a mistake with the ball in his hands. He'll slide around, buy some time, but he tends to get slow when getting to where he needs to be. I think he played well. Notre Dame's march into the national championship game. He was an MVP of two of the playoff games. But I said this. Maybe he could find a role as a Taysom Hill. I just threw it out there, there. But he might not be that much of an athlete as Taysum.
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Hill. I am stunned that he went over Quinn here. I really, really am. I think Quinn does have all the intangibles that you're looking at from, at worst a backup quarterback, you know, and maybe he can develop into a starter. Riley Leonard, though, is a high character individual. I was surprised. I saw a better thrower at Duke when they were able to upset.
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Clemson. They were surprised at Notre Dame. You talked to their coaches, they're surprised. They're like, man, we thought we were getting a better passer.
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Here. Yeah, because it's a bummer. Like when we were evaluating Evans, the tight end, for instance, they just, they just didn't push the ball down the.
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Field. So anytime he threw a deep ball, it fluttered. I mean, he just didn't have the arm strength to get it there at times. His athletic ability, speed, size, I mean, I think the technique is off, but the speed and size and things like that all are really exciting. I like the Taysum Hill thought process. Maybe you get creative with the way you use him, but man, yeah, he is, he is tough as nails and, and wound up going to the Blue Devils. Had a great career out there in Durham and then of course made the transfer and made a great run with Notre Dame as well. I'm interested to see how he fits there with Indianapolis because like you said, you need some talent around him. There's not a whole lot there to work with yet. Now, he's not going to be expected to be the starter, but if you're going to compete for playing time or a job, he's not necessarily one of those guys in the mix. Do you guys think that Smith defensive tackle goes.
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190? Do you, do you guys think that Jalen Hurst and Josh Allen kind of crafted this role for short yardage, quarterback rusher and maybe that's where you see value in Leonard, because when I look at Leonard as a passer, I don't see like if you're looking for a passer, take Quinn. But you know, we've seen a high rate of third and shorts and fourth and shorts with, with my mind's blanking, the Philly quarterback and the Bills quarterback, Josh Allen and.
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Herz. Pardon some big.
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Names. Yeah. Hey, it's. Hey, Brian was right. It's getting, it's getting. We, we moving. Do you think that those guys created this lane for short yard quarterback.
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Runs? Maybe. I, I think, I mean both of those guys are better passers than Riley Leonard for sure. But it's an element of the game that I think is in the modern day NFL that you can utilize. I think there's a place for Riley Leonard somewhere down the line, but you got to be creative in using.
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Him. You know, he was, he was the very last player that I looked at. Player.
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235.
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Leonard. Yeah, he was one of the last.
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Ones. Yeah. Ewers was, is 106 on my board overall fourth round grade. And he, he's just sitting there. He's like a blinking light out of the quarterback position. The fact that he hasn't been taken. Taken yet. Kind of.
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Interesting. All.
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Right. 191. Miles Hinton, offensive tackle from Michigan. Oh, off the board to guess who. The Philadelphia.
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Eagles. His dad. His dad, Chris Hinton was a badass player in the league. Do you mind if I talk about this? Of course, go for it. Yeah. His, his dad part of the John Elway trait. Believe it or not, his dad that the Colts and the matter of fact, he was originally drafted. I keep talking about his dad more than I'm talking about the kid, but just to give you an idea. Yeah. Chris Hinton was an all pro tackle. He comes from an athletic family. His mom was a basketball player at Northwestern and she's like a lawyer now. And so Miles played. He transferred from Stanford, but he started at left tackle in 2024. His majority of his starts at. Been at. In his career has been at right tackle. And he's. He's 6 7, £325. I think he needs to be a little bit more. When you, when you watch him play, he does have the ability to kind of get overextended. And you know, it's, it's, it troubles you a little bit, you know, but he needs to be able to drop that anchor a little bit more against the bull rushers. I mean, he, he's just got a little bit of like average bend, but he's very smart. He's got a good handle on the line game stuff. You know, he's, is. He's able to kind of wall guys off. He's only been flagged like once in two seasons at Michigan, so he's pretty, you know, not a penalty type of guy, but he needs to be a little bit more of a force. I think as a run blocker, he tends to get a little bit more upright. His aiming points need to be a little bit better. You know, he's kind of inconsistent with his drop block and he falls off some blocks. But man, I tell you what, he's, he's got a great bloodline. When you look at his dad, his dad, Chris, like I say, was, was, I believe, drafted by the Broncos, traded to the Colts and, and was an all pro tackle. I think he's in the ring of honor actually for the Colts. But you know, if his son was a quarter as good as he was, then he probably found you one.
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Here. Resetting before the Cowboys get closer to being on the the Seattle Seahawks just made their selection. Bryce.
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Cabeledue. Yeah, I like Caval do. He was one of my fourth round guards, my last fourth round guard but he, he played swing tackle for Kansas but lack of length. He's probably going to slide inside and it'll be able to help, it'll be able to help him maintain some positioning with some, some defensive tackles. But I think we need to move on from that pick because the running back just of kind got picked. Very.
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Fascinating. Oh.
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B
Yeah. Oh man. 193 the Bengals take Taj Brooks out of Texas.
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Tech. This is one I covered in the recruiting during his time in recruiting too. Native of Manor, Texas in the Austin area. Played his college well at Texas Tech. Obviously one of the bigger setbacks in this class. And if you ever see him in person, he's just this big rocked up high shoulder broad guy. I mean you can see it in his head shot. Look how wide his neck is. He is a bit little load to have to deal with not only in coming downhill and laying a hat on him, but also in pass protection. I mean he's a big set guy. Now on the flip side of that, you don't get a ton of athleticism but excuse me. I think he could be a productive back in the NFL given the right system, given the right compliment. I think he could be a productive back. He's got rare speed at £214 but yeah, that stocky frame, it really makes him a pest. And it's going to be challenging for defenses to bring him down. He's going to be going to a physical division. So that's, that's going to be fun for him playing against defenses like the Ravens and Steelers and Browns. That's going to be, that's going to be interesting for.
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Him. I think we need to move on from this B roll. If we could maybe fast forward through the early parts of the year where they're just torching North Texas because he just, he ran all.
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Over. Not a surprise. I mean that game was terrible for us. But gosh, I mean he's the only Red Raider in program history with multiple 1500 yard rushing seasons. He was a do it all workhorse for them. Super productive. I love, love the balance, the lower body strength, his ability to finish runs, the patience, the instincts. He can Set up defenders for shoulder and head fakes. He jumps and jukes over people. Very reliable pass catcher. He's just not the burner, you know, he's not the home run hitter. But he is everything that I kind of look for in a running back. I absolutely love Todd Brooks. Shout out to the Cincinnati Bengals. They're. They're getting themselves hell of a player several years back. I mean, we're talking over a decade now. In the sixth round they took Rex Burkheadt out of Nebraska Superman for Plano, Texas. They're getting themselves another stud here in Taj.
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Brooks. Jalen McLeod, linebacker from Auburn off the board. I'm a little surprised he goes over his teammate at linebacker in Eugene Asante. I thought McLeod was, was further down that list. I have him in the sixth. I think this is about where he should have gone. But Asante, I had a little higher on my board specifically, but there's.
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A linebacker still on the board that I'm quite a big fan of. And Kane Medrano out of ucla. Yeah, I agree he played outside backer for ucla, but I think he's probably more inside given his, his instincts. He's an underrated athlete. He flies around with range. He's a former wideout, so he understands, he understands route concepts really well, especially across the middle of the field. He accounts for him really well. It took him a while to learn the position and he didn't really get a chance to start until this past season. But once he did catch up to it, he really excelled. Him next to Schlesinger was a problem for UCLA opponents last year. He's still probably got to be stronger coming downhill. I mean, he's still learning how to, you know, apply that play strength. But he can cover the skill guys one on one, whether it's a receiver, running back, tight end. He's reliable in past defense. I think he's got a lot of upside and untapped potential that can be unlocked while he's earning a roster spot on special teams. I mean, he's got that kind of ability to stick around in the special teams department. He's my highest ranked fourth round linebacker. He's my LB8 in this class. I had him above Shamar James. I. I'm a fan of Kane.
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Madras. I had him ahead of James as well. I got him in the fourth. I got Kobe King as well in the fourth round who's still out there and available. So there are a couple of good linebackers still chilling.
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Here. One more linebacker I got in the fifth is Dumas Johnson from.
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Kentucky.
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Yep. Yeah, you know, just, you know, sort of a linebacker, pass rusher. Heiberg, I think he can make some. Make some sense somewhere. I put this can on camera. He can make some sense.
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Somewhere. Smart man. Smart.
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Man.
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Yeah. I'm proud of you. They're bringing you back next.
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Year. I'm learning quickly, man. They're not bringing me back. I'm learning quickly. But yeah, man, Dumas Johnson was a guy that right around this time. I think it'd be a good pick. Another Shrine bowl guy, Woodchuck, and he made a gang of plays in coverage. Another guy that I didn't think would be all that much cover guy, but amongst competition, he makes plays and cover. So that's another linebacker to add to the.
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Party. Luke Newman, the guard from Michigan State, goes to the Bears at 195. We're now underneath 10 picks away from the Cowboys at 204. You have the Lions, Broncos, Packers, Chargers, Jags, Vikings twice, then the Ravens and then the Cowboys at 204. Can we take a look inside the. The war room while we're at it? Chris Brown beam, take us take a peek. There's not a whole lot going on in.
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There. They going to get.
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Food. Just making.
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Sure.
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Yeah. They're saying 10 picks away. We are good to.
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Go. We are rolling.
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Though.
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These. These picks have. They are by Fast and Furious, seventh. It's just going to.
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Be. Why y' all sound sleeping, man. What's going on? Y' all.
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Good. You're.
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Right. This tends to happen going on. Antoine Powell, Riley. What you Rylan, what you think of them.
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Man? We didn't have a chance. Chance to go over there and like, wolf down two donuts with sugar all over them.
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Like. I don't know what you mean. It's a.
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Poll. Nick's over here breaking down players and you're over there like, in the corner eating.
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Donuts. Hey, you remember Joshua Gray, Oregon State, Good.
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Athlete. What's going.
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On? Nick Nash. Nick Nash, Isaiah Hudson. I'd advocate for both of those guys. You're big.
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Fans. Dave Restrepo. Run faster. My God. We get you dressing up.
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In. I tried to tell you guys about.
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Restrepo. Yeah, he's for.
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You. You did say.
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That. Can I. Can I throw a name out there? Ricky.
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White. You see you and you know that's a flag.
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Di. Yeah, I am. Yeah. But at this point, I know why he was. He was suspended all of 2021 for a issue at Michigan State where he was kicked off the team and then he sued Michigan State for the reasoning and that's still an ongoing process. So I mean we will see what goes on with. With that. But he's. He's the plaintiff in that case. But versatile receiver. He can line up anywhere and produce quick feet. Physical player. I, I still. I have him in the fifth but I. He's a natural body catcher which has kind of led him to some drops. So if you're. He kind of reminded me of Brandon Cooks in that sense where you know how Brandon cooks whenever it's like a ball over the top, he still somehow figures out how to pin it against his pads. But. But something that's very interesting about him that I think he could do while earning a roster spot. He had more blocked punts last year than any college football team and what. Yeah, very fascinating special.
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Teams. That's.
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Insane. So if he goes to the Tennessee Titans, you know what John Fossil's cooking over.
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There. Let's hear what the Lions selection is here. I feel like they've been sitting on this pick for a little bit, so I wonder if it's something.
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Significant.
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Quinn, that was be.
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A. You said packers.
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Right? Well, honest, I didn't hurt Jared.
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Goff.
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Sorry. Okay, here's his.
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Replacement. Get international standup comedian.
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Here. Like to thank the Detroit.
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Lions. The king in the north. Having me this opportunity here. And then take your time laying the.
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Plane. All Lions fans all over the.
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World, especially the ones in.
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Germany. Lions bright Germany. But now coming back to business, please. With the 196th pick in the.
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2024 take your time draft the Detroit Lions select Amit.
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Hassanin. Oh, that's why it's.
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Significant. Oh, here we.
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Go. The Egyptian.
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Lion. Man, this guy has a lot of upside. He really does. Look I like his ability against the run. He is not a guy that's played a lot of football. Obviously he is from Egypt and I really was hoping we could get the Egyptian cowboy nickname Rol here if he was drafted by the Cowboys but out of Boise State. He was one of our Shrine bowl guys as well there.
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Vodch.
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We. We liked him a lot. Two year starter there. He's a guy that was a CrossFit athlete. Has that in his background. Moved to the US back in 2018. He only started playing football in 2019. He is the first player from Egypt to ever play in FBS football which is badass blockers really. I mean he's. He is a fit to deal with. He is relentless in his pursuit. He was a team captain. He's super, super tough and the production was there. I mean he's a guy that was a 15 tackle for loss player. I think both years there at Boise State he kind of lived in opposing backfields. I think his best football is absolutely ahead of him. He is very, very raw. He's got long arms. He's super talented. I mean he looks like he's got long arms. I guess the measurables didn't really check out with the, that when he ended up, but we had some issues when it came to the hand stuff and the arm.
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Stuff.
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Weird. It was a little bit inconsistent this.
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Year. It sure.
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Was. But I like him. I mean I, I thought when you were going day three taking flyers, guys that could end up really hitting for you and be good rotation, I.
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Would have done this 10 times out of.
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10. I, I loved him. I, I think that he is a guy that can set the edge for you. Really good, well rounded.
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Player. I tell you what, Will Chuck. The numbers may not add up to it, but it looks like he has some length and he plays with some, doesn't.
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It? Like, he looks like he's got like long.
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Arms. 100%. They'll, they'll play him at edge sometimes, sometimes they'll put him in, in a B gap. And for a guy that doesn't really know how to get sacks, he sure got a lot of them. I think last year he got nine, I believe. But just as a, a pocket pushing, high effort, sack getting guy. That, that's, that's, that's good versus running high effort. And he has a lot of room to grow with that size and, and, and, and power and motor. I think it's a, I think it's a cool pig.
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Man. The, that is the 25th edge rusher to be taken in this year's NFL.
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Draft. Felt like I looked at 25 of.
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Them. But that's the point is we were talking about how deep this edge rusher class is going to continue to roll. We saw it earlier, man, there's still more on the.
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Board. Powell, Ryland, Ivy Baron, Fidel Diggs.
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Joyner. Yeah, I like Fidel Diggs a.
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Lot. Our guy baddie from Kaymon, Rucker, Rucker, RJ.
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Oban. Like they're still Johnny Walker.
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Jr. There's a bunch of edges if you're looking for.
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Him. Yeah, I like Johnny Walker Jr. A lot. I, I was asking NFL circles like, hey, what do you think about him? And some they, they pushed back. They were like, yeah, I think you like him more than the NFL likes him. So he might End up being, like, an undrafted guy. But he's got a rare pass rush ability. I could understand the knock on. Like, maybe he needs to add some. Some strength. And maybe he's not as good against the run, but good God. Yeah. That bend, like in the. In the first step. Quickness, like, that's some stuff you can't really.
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Teach. All right, listen. Johnny Walker just junior Jerry has the opportunity to do the funniest thing of all time. Draft him and take Johnny Walker and Blue in the same draft. It would be the best thing.
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Ever.
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Yes. Call.
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Jerry. Let me just walk up there real.
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Quick. That's.
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Hard. My badge works on that door. We can get up.
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There. That's.
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Hard. Oh, it.
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Does. Anyway, Kyle got a different badge. Hey, hey. That's hard. Johnny Walker and.
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Blue. Come on.
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Now. Come on now. To help you come more content. I'll be all right. Y' all don't like content? Man, it's all.
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Good. The content would be.
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Tremendous.
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Goodness. But it would.
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Be. That'd be, I mean, seventh round. Why the heck.
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Not? Yeah, that'd be incredible. The only thing that would have been better is if you would have gotten, like, ya black. So then you would have had Johnny Walker Blue, and then you would have also had Johnny Walker and.
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Black. We could.
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Play. We play this game all day long. Is it there a guy named Red in.
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This? Savion Red next.
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Year. Nice. So we can. We can make this happen. We can make a trade with Pittsburgh, get Black back in here. We can make it.
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Work. Well, y' all are some drinkers. I ain't know they had all them.
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Colors. Yeah, I'm an.
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Alcoholic. All right, three picks remain in the top 100 or top 200. Texans, Packers, Chargers, rounding out the the top 200 picks right around this time. Time on day three. I always like asking those that are out there still.
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Watching.
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Questions. Yeah, send us some questions on Twitter if you're watching from anywhere specific. I love seeing where people are watching from. So send us where you're watching from, how long you've been watching. I assume most of you that are watching at pick number 200 in this year's draft, you've probably been here from the very beginning, and we appreciate all those at home that are following.
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Along. We asking for questions. And Tommy Yari's taking a nap somewhere. Guaranteed, Bobby's sitting on the.
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Toilet. That man is writing a million.
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Articles. Bobby restarted with his feet kicked.
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Up. Shout out to ten Cully on the Twitters. I guess now X watching in.
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Ireland. Hey, that's.
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Awesome. It's 9:30. Say hello and thanks to all your teammates for all the work this weekend in draft season in general 8th draft following the show. Nice best way to learn NFL. Thanks for everything. That's our buddy Gary, my fellow everybody. Thank you Gary. We appreciate appreciate you fellow.
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Irishman. Thank.
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You. See and this is the day where I would put the coverage in this draft circle of the draft show and the scouts that we have in here. I would put this up against anybody in the country. It's there are some really good media scouts out there but some of the stuff that we put to the table, I would put it right.
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There. Let's prove it then. Second gear. Let's let's get.
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Going. Get a little black rifle.
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Coffee. I'm.
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Rolling. Oh, you got one black rifle.
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Color. Yes you do. It looks.
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Great. This can.
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Watch. It's a limited edition. That's the.
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Vox. I don't know why they're taking so long with this Texans pick. I did see who it is.
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B
And oh, this is.
- [346:57]
E
Significant. No, it's just weird to.
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Me. I thought you were going to say it was.
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Quinn. No, Shiloh.
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Sanders. It's because it wasn't Quinn Ewers and it's another.
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Quarterback. Is it Seth.
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Hennigan?
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No. Oh, I wouldn't be that upset. Seth Hennigan, dude, it's somebody that's even worse than Brady. I actually don't think rooks that.
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Back. Actually. I think I know who they're going.
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With. Hawaii Bull. What's his.
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Name? It's somebody we've talked about. Like maybe the Cowboys is an undrafted.
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Guy. Oh.
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No. Oh, this guy from Highland.
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Park. Is it Graham.
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Mertz? Graham Mertz, Wow. And Graham Mertz. Like I'm not. We do this and it's like you don't want to crap on anybody. This guy couldn't play at Florida or.
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Wisconsin.
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Nope. I mean look kind of banged.
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Up, you know it is. And maybe that is maybe, hey benefit of the doubt. Maybe you were just hurt. But hey, third round guy, maybe you have a successful career in the NFL. It's just bizarre that like Graham Mertz, who I do think is limited a little bit with his arm talent would go ahead of.
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Quinn. The Cowboys did a lot of homework on this guy. They sent Steve Schimko to his pro day. They met with him virtually a couple of times. And when you look at what he is great at, he is great at operating when he's in a rhythm out of play action. If you understand what this system is trying to implement it makes sense why Graham Mertz was kind of a target in this, in this instance. But yeah, I figured he would go undrafted, especially with some of the quarterbacks still available. But Graham Mertz over Quinn, yours.
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Holy. Yeah, like, I'm sorry to the Mertz family, if you're watching. I just, I, I just, I was shocked that he went over.
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Quinn.
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He. He has a family connection to the packers. Gm. I forget what exactly it is. Yeah, I forget exactly what the connection is, but I'm surprised the packers weren't the first one to swing on.
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Him. Dad coached at Minnesota, so I wonder if that was something there. But yeah, to me, this is, this is kind of a. If in fact this is the case, I kind of felt like Florida football got better when Graham Mertz went in the lineup. Yeah, they were, you know, they were struggling. Their coach was on the hot seat, Billy Napier, you know, they weren't winning games. Everybody down there in the swamp was just. And then all of a sudden they started rolling. They got a quarterback, freshman quarterback down there, DJ Lagway. He's okay. They start. They threw out the rankings for the quarterbacks in the SEC next year. Well, of course, you know, LSU's guys coming back in with Nussmeier, but this kid, this kid's getting Heisman Trophy. Florida quarterback getting Heisman Trophy kind of talk.
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Yeah. So Texas kid.
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D
Man. So it. They got.
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Better. There's the official.
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Pick.
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Okay. Quarterback Graham Mertz. Florida off the board to the Texans at 197. Yeah, I mean, over guys like, like yours specifically. Rourke, Cook.
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Hennigan. Yeah, I mean.
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Allmer.
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Brosmer.
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Brosmer. Yeah, Hennigan, the first player on my board that I graded as an undrafted free agent to get drafted. He, he had a 20 seal in 24. He had a concussion in 24. He had a broken collarbone in 23. So he's also a banged up guy. But I, I guess the thought here is, hey, let's keep him clean. He doesn't have to step into anything anytime soon. Soon. And we'll develop him as this play action, you know, type of weapon. And I, I think that's what Houston really tried to implement last year with CJ Stroud as well under Bobby Slowik. But Bobby Slow is no longer there. So I, I wonder whether where their offensive mindset is.
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Shifting. Should the Cowboys look at.
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Yours? I was just going to.
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Ask. Yeah, look, I put it out there. I was after the.
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McCarthy. Should you maybe try and Tony Romo on him and just get, you know, get, get Your guy quarterback coach on the phone and just keep talking to him like, listen, I'm sorry it's not working out for you right now, but if it doesn't, you know, that's. That's what Sean Payton did. Sean Payton kept. You know, he got on the phone with Tony Romo and held his hand. You know, just held his hand the whole way. And when it came down to Dallas and in Denver, Jerry Jones did a great job of closing. Bill did a great job. But it was Sean Payton. It was really him and Jim Hess holding his hand the whole time. I would consider getting on the phone with him right now and kind of hold his hand, and maybe you could bring him in as that undrafted free agent if, in fact, he goes through the.
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Draft. If y' all want camp to be fun, like, let those dudes just throw the ball 90 yards. Oil one's gonna throw for 90, one gonna throw for, like, 70. Yeah, and Dak's gonna check the ball down. But just. But let those dudes just throw the ball all over the.
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Place. Milton and Ewers.
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Showcasing. That's some arm talent in your quarterback room.
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Overnight. That would be a fun preseason. Milton and Ewers going back and forth, forth. Goodness, I'm all for.
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It. The homework that the Cowboys did on Quinn, yours. They had technically, an informal meeting with him at the combine. And. And let me walk through what an informal is at the combine. And. And Brian can speak to this too, if you'd like.
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It's. I did that a long time.
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Ago. Basically, it could be as small as, hey, I saw you at the name of sponsor restaurant, Water Burger. Hey, I saw you at the. I saw you at the Water Burger in the Indianapolis.
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D
Airport. That doesn't use a bag of them right.
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Now. I saw you at the Indianapolis Water Burger in the airport. That doesn't exist. And we met up for five minutes while we were waiting on our burgers. Hey, man, it was good to meet you. I'll see you around. That could qualify as an informal meeting with a.
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B
Team. And you have to. Or do you have to report that to the.
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League? No. Or it could be, hey, man, if you get some time, like, shoot me a text while we got some downtime, I'd like to, you know, just chop it up with you five, ten minutes. From what I understand, that was kind of where things started with Quinn Ewers at the combine with the Cowboys, and it turned into a much more extensive conversation. And with. With Quinn Ewers, they brought him back for a 30 visit. He was qualified as a local day guy. They brought him back, brought him in the facility and really liked what they, they, they saw from Coin Ewers and, But it's, it was funny because the day Quinn Ewers arrived for his 30 visit, they traded for Joe Milton. So it was, it was like, okay, hey, we just maybe got our guy. But hey, let's still do due diligence on Quinn. Yeah, yours. So there was still some love there. But I wonder if that love is strong enough to be able to, you know, justify picking, picking him in this.
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Draft. I think it would, it would be worth the conversation. Is it worth the conversation over, let's say defensive tackle? Because you haven't addressed that yet. There are still some names on at least my list. When you're looking at defensive tackle as a possibility at 204, I'm in.
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D
The same round as I do people.
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B
Peebles.
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A
Okay.
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B
Yeah. No, so if, if those two were on the, on.
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D
The. Well, in the conversation, I'll tell you how that stat, how that, that's why we stack our boards so we can have a reflection of idea about Peebles at 97. Quinn, yours at.
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B
110. Okay, so.
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Close. But let me ask you.
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When. Or excuse me.
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Peoples. When we were talking to White Cotton, right, He seemed to really be feeling Mozzie a little bit. Maybe we're lower on, on, on, you know, third year Mozzie than they are. You know, should we even be looking at, at one.
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Tech? Well, who do they have behind.
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Him? I guess would be Justin Rogers, I.
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Believe. Yeah, yeah. See, I would, I would still look at.
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It. I'd still.
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Look. Yeah, look at.
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It. Here's a look inside the war room, seeing what's going on. Looks like everybody's dedicated to something at the moment. Nothing too intense.
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Going. You gotta still go corner here too, if you wanted to double dip. Yeah, I mean, longer.
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Beam. Longer beam all the.
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Way. I think running back is important.
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Steve.
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Absolutely. I just take a.
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Bag. Hey, Martinez, I think I'm with.
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You on longer beam or longer beam? On.
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Martinez. Can I, can I ask you guys a question then? If we're going to take a corner, do we think about taking a corner? That could be a.
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Nickel. That's longer beam for.
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Me. Longer beam, yeah. Over hussy there. Over.
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Hussy. Absolutely. No, I don't think so. I did not, like, hug as much as you guys.
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Did. Well, you guys are going to, you're going to freak me out here a little bit.
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Then. I, I was not that into Elijah.
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Huzzy. How about.
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Muhammad? I do like.
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Jabbar.
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Muhammad. I do not. I like him more than Hussy. I like him more than longer.
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Being. They will not take Muhammad or Hussy.
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Because. Because Hussy is just way too.
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Small. He looks. He's built like a running back.
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Length on both of those.
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Guys. Hussy's bigger than Muhammad.
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Huh? He is busy. Bigger than Muhammad, but I just think Muhammad's better as a.
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Player. I.
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Agree. I feel you on that. Yeah.
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Bro. I mean the Camilo Dotson then play. Play in.
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Mellow. I like mellow. Maybe I don't know. As a slack guy, I don't.
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Think he could play.
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Slack. Like, I think him and Kobe Bryant are both outside.
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Guys. Are we running more zone? If we're running more. More.
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Zone. I guess just like I would.
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Fight for Kobe Bryant, I just don't really think he's in play for the Cowboys. I'm not sure how they feel about him. And I do know that when he was here for the Big 12 pro days, he refused to do some workouts and I think that rubbed people the wrong.
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Way. Okay, take an outside corner. Just move Bland inside and just do it like that. Just take the best corner and put.
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Bland. Let me ask you guys this question then. Would you take. You're going to take the corner that you like or are you going to take, say, Martinez the.
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Runner? I'm taking.
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Martinez. He's the highest player on my board. I'd stick to.
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It. You take the.
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Runner. I.
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Would. I would take Peebles because he's my highest.
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Player. I'd.
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Take. I'm trying to say. I was trying to get an idea if we would take the.
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Corner.
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D
Yeah. Or the.
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Runner. Nick. But would it, would it. Would it change your mind if I made the point to you that you still got seven running backs you like and maybe we run it low on, on. On.
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Corners. Yeah.
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That. That's literally, literally the reason. Because I got Martinez a little bit higher than longer beam.
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Two.
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Yeah. But I think that running back still is stretching more. Longer beam is really the only slot corner that I think legitimately can start for you this year and you got. Or play for you this.
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Year. Nick's got me scared. I don't think they take Peebles because he. He's six. Six foot half inch and.
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282.
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Yeah. A little.
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D
Smaller. So I mean we're, we're grading the player, you know, on their board. He's probably doesn't fit the parameters of the measurements that they like so. All right, let's take Peebles out of this thing and then we can also now eliminate. It sounds like you guys want to eliminate hussy. You want to eliminate Muhammad, you.
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Know. Yeah, I take the left tackle or the right tackle in this case, Brian Brad.
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E
Lunt. Lunt's my highest.
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Rate. He's a third round. He's a. He's a third.
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Round. He's a local visit guy to.
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Arlington.
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Martin. I'll take.
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Chase. I also like Logan Brown, the tackle from.
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A
Kansas. I think the Cowboys good and he's.
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Good. Yeah, I like Logan.
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B
Brown. Last three picks off the board at 198. The packers took Warren Brinson, defensive tackle from Georgia, 199. The Chargers took Branson Taylor, offensive tackle from Pittsburgh and then the Jags with an entry. Interesting pick, Rayon Lane, the third safety from.
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D
Navy. All.
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B
Right. I love that he's a fun.
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Player. I did not watch.
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D
Him. Give him his.
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C
Due.
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D
Yeah. Can you give me his.
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C
Due? Yeah, I'll give him his due. And then we will get ready for this pick.
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D
Here. Minnesota took a.
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C
Linebacker. He was so fun at the Senior Bowl. He covering big targets, covering speed targets. He's instinctive in the defensive backfield. He's always on top of downfield action. He's kind of a meh athlete but he's got a high motor and work ethic and you see that translate onto the field and from talking to people about Raan Lane coming out of Mobile Beal, they said he's going to be drafted and he's going to be on a 53 man roster because he's the best gunner in this class as on special teams. So he's going to earn a roster spot in that sense. And you factor in the work ethic from just being from a naval academy like or being from a military academy like Navy. He's. He's going to be able to figure out his way whether it's a special teams guy throughout. Throughout time or if he carves a role on defense. But high character player. Really fun talking to him in Mobile as.
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B
Well. Yeah, he's. He's a first team all conference honoree from this past year. Led the team with eight pass breakups in 2023 as well. Really fun player overall. All right, Gavin Bartholomew and Kobe King back to back picks for the Vikings. Kobe King goes linebacker, Penn State. Bartholomew, tight end from Pittsburgh. Ravens are on the clock right now. The pick is in. It looks like the Cowboys have already made their selection. Here we go as we're behind it you see Clayton Adams coordinator. There's offense Ross.
- [358:21]
E
Getting. Oh could it be Chase Lunt? Could we get a Lun sighting or Logan Brown siding. I'd be good either.
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B
Way. Going right back to the offensive line. Well.
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E
Huh. I don't think you can ever have enough offensive.
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A
Line. You took a guard I think they were interested in in the.
- [358:38]
E
First. I wouldn't mind Luke Canberra from.
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A
Cincy. I don't. I don't think they double that.
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E
Guard. I mean they need to.
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A
Tackles. You drafted a guard with your first round and Hoffman's still here. You know what I'm saying? So Hoffman's gonna be. I think they're looking at that.
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Tackle. Chase Lund's my top player left from Yukon. Big boy our local kid.
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D
Arlington. How about Cam Williams from.
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C
Texas? My top two are Chase Lunt and a Johnny Cornelius out of.
- [359:00]
A
Oregon. If they look at Lunt and Williams together and they choose Williams I would never forgive.
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E
Them. I don't think Williams.
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C
Fits. Yeah me.
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E
Neither. Williams. We're just asking with what shot he's talking.
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A
About. Okay but. Okay so listen Williams. Let's just say Williams got bad feet and he's hurt guy. Right. But we're trying to thump and move people. Williams is more of the physical guy than Lunt is. Like Lunt's smaller and he does finish people. But Williams is more of the Molly type.
- [359:27]
E
Character. Would y' all say I don't know that Cam Williams is a guy.
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A
That loves football west fair.
- [359:32]
B
Enough. And that wouldn't fit in what they're trying to do here. Lajounte Wester wide receiver from Colorado.
- [359:37]
A
Goes the pick before went before horn.
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Ravens. I thought west was probably the best Colorado.
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Guy. The top. Probably the top four offensive linemen on my board still available all have had connections to the Cowboys during the draft process. Chase lunt had a 30 visit here. A Johnny Cornelius was Connor Riley attended his pro day and met with him. Cameron Williams was a 30 visit guy as well being a local guy. And Holland Pierce who they just hand the phone met with the. That's Junior Adams. It's going to be a Johnny.
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Cornelius. You think so?
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Yeah.
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Okay. That's Junior Adams out of.
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Oregon. I had a 4 on Cornelius so this would be really good.
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Value. I did as well if.
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That'S. I've got him in the early fifth so yeah I'm right there with.
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You. That would be. That would be good value if it's a Johnny Cornelius. I I liked Lunt a little bit more and I like Logan Brown a little bit More. But Cornelius is. Is a fun player. I got no issue with.
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That. Official John Nelly as. As a guard out of Oregon. Six foot four, five eights, big player to put up.
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There. That's interesting that they want that.
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They put him as a guard because I think, you know, big, broad, wide.
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Bill. He's a bit tall and long.
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Right. Yeah. And I think he's got some problems with power rushers. You can see him get knocked back into the backfield. He'll lunge and overextend a little bit, which will get him knocked off balance. But when he's engaged, he really drives defenders off the ball. He can finish blocks. He's got strong hands. The timing with the punch can be a little bit late sometimes, but he's got the ability to counter. He's got the traits and. And that's what you're looking for, the traits to be a good player. It's just the consistency we need to work on with him and the technique. But he can move in space, gets to the second level. He just needs to be coached up. But, but I really like, you know that this pick here played at Catholic High School in Louisiana. He started as a true freshman at right tackle.
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At. So, you know, to me, this is from Rhode.
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Island. This is Rhode Island Island.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah, the Rhode island kid. I'm sorry, I was. I. I looked at the beginning of Emory.
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Jones's.
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Yes.
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There. I got them back to back.
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Here.
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Yeah. Solid, solid movement guy. But I think he wants to be a good hand fighter. Like, he really tries to get the hand fighting going and when it lands, it looks fantastic. But when he misses chest, his chest is.
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Exploded.
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Yeah. Then they get hands.
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And.
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And. And then they drive him on top of that. He's tall and he gets a little high, so he has to work on the knee bend a little bit. So him being good guard, playing high, not being as powerful, you know, kind of getting up the chest a little bit, you know, maybe some technical things you have to work on. But at. What is coaching.
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For? Yeah, but I mean, this is a guy allowed just three sacks over 497 pass.
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Blocks. I think they're drafting them as guard because it's just said that he's drafted as guard. I think he'll end up going back to tackle. I think he's a. He's a tackle ultimate, but that's just my.
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Opinion. He goes back to the place, the position versatility that they look for in the offensive line, and he could play both ways. I think overall this fits A lot of. Of the mold of what they've been talking.
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About. Yeah, this kid's from Harlem, New York and so. And he went to. He's transferred from Rhode Island. I think his foot speed is modest at best and I think he'll struggle at times to get away with the line with any real quickness. There's snaps where you see rushers kind of break him down because he tends to duck his head in order to get. Duck his head forward in order to stop the rush. I think he's kind of scared of his power a little bit. He tends to get stressed out by rushers who show quick movements. His punch, his hands don't always work well together. There needs to be a little bit better coordination with that. He'll surprise you with his ability to recover when he's put in some poor blocking situations. His timing could be a little off with those hands. I thought he had decent technique in the running game. It's much better when it came to the angles and the down blocks. Maybe this is our pin and pull guy right, right here. That kind of guy than driving a guy vertically. I.
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Thought. Yeah, he's got a broad build and I think that's why there could be some interior flexibility based on that frame. It's. It could be, you know, the thought process there. High motor, high character. Guy did not have one injury in, in college that he dealt with. Consistently moves guys in the run game. This makes a lot of sense when you're factoring in what Brian Schottenheimer and Clayton Adams were trying to do in the run run game. He has great strength and it's thrown back pass rushers. But I'm with you, Brian. I think timing could be a little bit better in pass protection. I. I put in my notes. Others are low and I don't understand why. I think he's versatile and dominant and he was the guy that I talked about coming out of. Coming out of Senior bowl as a potential third round grade. I ended up landing on a fourth round grade for him. I have him as OT10 on the.
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Board. So.
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We. Johnny A. Johnny Cornelius is how you say the first name, by the.
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Way. Hey.
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Johnny. No sacks allowed in 20, 23 over 541 pass blocking snaps. That was in the Pack 12 when they jumped to the Big Ten. He was third team all Big Ten. Did allow three sacks, but he was one of the finalists for the Joe Moore Award. Nation's top offensive.
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Lineman. One more thing on him. You know we all mentioned his. His hands being a little wonky right.
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Now.
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Sure. But I respect the fact that he's attempting to be hands.
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Guy.
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Yeah. You know, some, some, some guys just, you know, they'll, they'll like, they won't even attempt to mix up the hand strikes. Right. But we'll see him high hand, low hand. We'll see him two to the chest. We'll see him swipe at guys sometimes. We'll see him low hand and replace like just different hand hand fighting techniques. I respect it. He miss, but at least it's in your mind to try it. So when you work on it, you at least have a little bit of, you know, like a head start on it.
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Already. Right. It's. It's just the coaching, you know, to refine that with him, but the lateral movements there as well. I mean, he can mirror really, really well. He's a good athlete. This is a good, this is a really good pick. If you're looking to get an offensive tackle, a Johnny Cornelius here or I guess a guard for them. But I like this. I like what they're.
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Doing. I love this pick. This. This is probably my favorite pick of the day. And I like, I like Jaden Blue. I like Shemar James. This is my favorite pick of the day. And Ajani.
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Cornelius. I think I agree with you. I had both of those guys right around the same spot as I had blue and James. And when you've got a guy like Cornelius who can come in and provide depth at the offensive line spot, I think it's significant. Now, I asked for questions before the pick, and as soon as the pick comes in, we had a question on X. Mike wants to know, has T.J. bass seemed to fall out of favor in Dallas because they continue drafting.
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Guys. I hate to cut you off. We got Aaron White Cotton on the war room footage, and we are approaching another pick for the Cowboys boys.
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Here. Pretty soon he might be trying to sell somebody.
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Here. He's offensive tackle. It's got to.
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Be. We go.
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Ucla. Hey, man, I would love.
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It. Joe.
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Toya.
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That. That'd be my pick here. I think he'd be the best.
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Defensive tackle left to your point, Kyle. And this was something I was going to bring up early, but I got interrupted in a radio break or something like that. But we got new, new coaches here. You know what I mean? So you may not have a Sponsor like Mike McCarthy may have liked you, but just because Mike McCarthy like.
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You.
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Yeah. Doesn't mean that somebody else like Kyle, what you think about what I just.
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Said? I was trying.
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To. Yeah.
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Yeah. I was trying to.
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Help. Yeah, what did Vox.
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Say? What I'm trying to prove you wrong is from the.
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NFL. So Chase Lunch just.
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Went. Chase.
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Lund. Okay, so I mean both tackle from the Bills, you know.
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It'S. We see these guys like different ice cream flavors. I like a Johnny Cornelis a lot. I'm happy with that pick. Chase Lunt, I think is also going to be a really good player for.
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Buffalo. TJ Bass though, right? Yeah, go back to it. Hey, man shot. And I may take you, dog, you know what I'm saying? We don't know what the business is. You in a whole new administration. So guys like him, guys like Lipke, that are Mike McCarthy guys, schoon maker, y' all gonna have to have a conversation about, you know, the new administration. And you better hope shotty like.
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Him. Chillin. My boy Hunter.
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Now. Yeah, listen, man, the fullback, running back.
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Linebacker. Your linebacker went.
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Ucla. Yeah, Cayman Dro's good. Unfortunately, now he's a Washington commander, so. Yeah, so he's dead to.
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Us. Medrano in Washington at 205, Chase Lunt there. 206 to Yukon or from Yukon to the Bills as he stays up in the northeast. The pick is in for the Eagles at 207. Anybody want to talk about Chase.
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Lunt? Man, I know you guys had him pretty high. I just love to see people fly off the ball and just thump people. Even if he's not the heaviest guy in the world, even if he's not, even if he's not the most powerful guy in the world, Chase Lunt will try to finish you every single time. They ran a lot of outside zone at UConn, so when he was lead blocking to the outside, you would either get hooked or you would get driven all the way to the sideline. Sometimes he'll take people, pick them up and put them on the sideline. He would climb to the next level pretty well. I thought he was a much better run blocker than he was pass blocker. But even in pass blocking, the tall, lengthy, solid. The tall, lengthy, solid footed guys, they win with just being tall, lengthy, solid footed and getting rid of the ball quickly. I was a big fan of Chase Lunt. I got him in the third round. So whoever got him right here, in my personal board opinion, I think they got some good value on him with.
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You. This dude dirts people. He really does. I mean, I, I talked to Brian about this. We did love of the star, I think. Like to get the size like an athletic John Runyon, you know, John Runyon's just both him and his kid, they're just massive human beings. But this guy moves incredibly well for his size. I mean Yukon slants their line and gets them on the move a bunch. This guy can climb to the second level. Slides very, very well. Strong base, really good contact balance to redirect lineman in the run and the pass game. Good pick for, for the, for Buffalo. And then Kane Madrano, Nick from ucla. I know that was a big guy for.
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You. Yeah, yeah, I'll talk about it for sure. I had him in the, I had him in the fourth round if I can get to his notes. Yeah, he was my top fourth round linebacker. Kind of older, he's just over 24 years old, but he's an inside linebacker who played outside, you know, while Schwessinger was holding down his role. I think Kane Medrano could play a similar role in the NFL. Underrated athlete. I talked about him a lot earlier. He's reliable in past defense as a former receiver. He understands route concepts across the middle. I think he's got high upside and he's going to earn a roster spot on special teams while he awaits his development. And I think there's, there's quick development that's happened with him because since that change to linebacker he has steadily gotten better and better. He finally got an opportunity to start here in 2024 or last year in 2024 and he, he thrilled he thrived in that role. So Kay Medrano, a talented pick. I always loved Schlesinger, but I always loved the guy next to him as.
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Well. Cameron Williams, Texas offensive tackle, just went to the Eagles at.
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2:00'.
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Clock. Yeah, Howie Roseman's just trying to, they're like massive.
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Linemen. He's trying to hedge. He's just being like, yeah, I don't know anything about these guys. Wink.
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Wink. Let me ask y' all this though. Since the Cowboys have picked somebody, we could just be a little biased and talk about them. I'm just going to name some names. We could just sort through them if y' all want to. TJ Bass, Brock Hoffman, Robert Jones, Shipley Charles Jack Anderson. That's quite sure, I'm familiar with him. Nathan Thomas and Cornelius. Now like that's a lot of interior.
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Dudes. They're gonna have to make some.
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Moves. They're gonna have to.
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Yeah. Make some.
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Cuts. Cuz the roster is already pretty full. They're gonna have to cut some guys in order to make space and so maybe they're, they're thinking ahead on that. Maybe they're gonna just flip some of those guys in and out whenever time.
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Comes. Why do we load up on them like that? If y' all don't, if y'.
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All don't mind me, I wonder if they view one or two of them as tackles because you look at the exterior, if you can call it that depth, and I don't know if, I don't know if you feel comfortable with.
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That. I'm looking at our last. They got Nathan as a tackle on, on our legs.
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Yeah. Fascinating. I, I think they see him more as a guard. I'd be. We haven't seen it yet, so that's also a curiosity point. But if, let's say Tyler Guyton midway through the season, he's just not working out, they end up having to, you know, switch some things around to change the starting lineup. And then Terence Steele gets hurt. Do you trust awesome Richards? Yes. Who else? And I, I, I don't know. That's where I feel like Cornelis might factor into the tackle conversation a little bit more. I agree with.
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You. I.
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Agree. But you know, that's, that's a question we'll probably have today as well. We'll.
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See. Well, let's go.
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Boy. Come.
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On. I can't. Never.
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Mind. Oh, I know he.
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Here. I'm just surprised he's still around. I say that respectfully. I really.
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Do. All due.
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Respect. And he, he's, he's figured out how to keep a roster spot this long. Josh Ball did the same.
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Thing. Yeah.
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Sure. And Josh, well, ended up finding his way on a 53 man roster towards the end of the year last year. So I, well, let's go. Has got one more camp definitely to figure it.
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Out. Well, and again, it's a different administration, it's a different coaching staff. It's a different leadership group that if you, yeah, you got to have your guys in the building and there's not a lot of those guys that have carried over for the most part.
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So. And he's been hurt guy, man, like, you just can't be hurt guy when you got a bunch of bodies in the building trying to get you.
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Man. Jimmy Horton JR. Jr. Another Colorado wide receiver, Jimmy Horn going to the Panthers at.
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2. Oh, I did not think Jimmy was going to get.
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Drafted. Jimmy Horn did get.
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Drafted. I put a seventh on him. I was, I was curious to see if he was going to get drafted to at 5, 8, 1, 74 small. Yeah, it's. But it might be the return ability. Yeah, Carolina doesn't really have a return Guy. So I think that that could really work out for.
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Them. Let me ask that question too, because with the new rules surrounding the kickoffs, and because of that, do these return guys have more value late in the draft like this than they had.
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Previously? Yeah. You saw Keelan Robinson go in the fifth round last year. The Jacksonville Jaguars, that came at a very timely moment on the draft show last year. That was a joke for you. Zach Welch. I can't even get it over.
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There. I'm sorry, dude, I zoned.
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Out. He.
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Tied. I'm so.
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Sorry. I said Keelan Robinson got drafted at a very timely time last.
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Year. Yes, he sure.
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Did. But I think with. With Jimmy Horn, he could certainly be that type of weapon, too. And who knows, maybe he can get thrown in the slot in that crowded receiver room in Carolina. But. But again, crowded. And they just added to it. Tetaro and McMillan, they drafted Xavier Leggette last year. They have some guys in that receiving core. So I wonder how he gets on the field in that sense, but I think he could probably be returner one for.
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Them. Returner one.
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Yeah. Excellent kick returner. No question about that. Cam Williams to the Eagles is interesting and we'll see what they end up doing with him. Are they going to keep him at a tackle? Do they want to kick him inside the.
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Guard? They love a big.
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Ass. I was about to say that. He does remind me of Makai Becton in the sense that he's got bad weight among his. A bad.
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Composition. They like those big boys, man. They really. I guess it fits. Like, it's what you talk about. Coach Flood likes of Texas. Yeah, they just want massive offensive linemen up.
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Front. Hey, and the Cowboys just got one of them for themselves as well. Johnny Cornelius, the newest Dallas Cowboy, is on the phone, pick number 204 in the sixth round. Johnny, congratulations. Good to hear from you. Just kind of talk about what this moment means to.
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You. Thank you so much. This is a blessing. Me and my family, we prayed about this, and I'm just so happy to get to Dallas and put in the work and be a Cowboy.
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Now. There was a lot of connection there with the Oregon staff members making their way to the Cowboys. Multiple people up at the pro day. I mean, what was their conversation with you like throughout the Cowboys draft.
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Process? Yeah, I was able to meet Coach Riley at. At my pro day. We went to dinner the night before and had a great experience with him. And, you know, it's just an honor to play for him and, you know, be a part of the O Line tradition at the.
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Cowboys. Yeah, certainly. And as Johnny, congratulations on, on being drafted. You've already made the jump in competition from going from Rhode island to Oregon and having to account for that, you know, up in competition, you're about to do the same thing because you're going to the NFL. How did that experience prepare you for this.
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Transition? Oh, yeah, for sure. I feel like I'm ready to take on anything no matter what the jump is. Like you said, I went from FCS to Big 10, Pac 12, I played in all those conferences and I'm ready to just keep on going. And like I said, this is a dream come true. So like I said, I'm ready to put the work in and continue to.
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Excel. Congrats. Ajani, how would you describe your play style for the Cowboy fans that are listening and maybe haven't gotten the chance to watch it.
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Yet? Got you. I say you get a mower in the run game, someone who move somebody off the ball and a technician in the pass game ready to.
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Go. It was interesting, the Cowboys, when your name was read, it was as a guard, obviously. You played tackle there at Oregon. Did you have a background playing guard at all? Did you talk with the Cowboys about maybe position.
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Flex? Yeah, I play primarily tackle and in college, but I'm flexible. That way I can go, go wherever you need me. So I'm ready, I'm ready to.
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Go. And what'd you have at dinner there with Coach.
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Riley? Because we went to Kennedy Steakhouse, you know, we got a nice steak, we had a great.
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Conversation. Yeah, man, you're in a good city for good steak whenever you get back down here very, very quickly. Now, there's a long, rich tradition of offensive line here with the Cowboys, of course, a first round pick at the guard spot too. I mean, what's it going to be like putting the star on the side of your helmet and having that opportunity to compete for, for playing time.
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Here? Like I said before, it's a dream come true. I'm just so ready to be a part of that tradition and learn from all the vets and just, just be a part of that. I'm ready to be a.
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C
Cowboy. I gotta ask you, Ajani, you. You grew up in Harlem and there's not a need to drive cars around there. But I heard you didn't get your license until you went to, to Oregon last, last summer. How's, how's the driving experience going? Are you ready for the high speed Texas roads? We get up to like 70, 75 around.
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Here. I'm ready for it for sure. You know, it took me a while to get my license. Like I said, I grew up in Manhattan. I grew up in New York City, so never really needed that, but got my license in August, I finally drove out here in New York City for the first time. I got my proper welcome. A few honks, so I'm ready to.
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Go. What kind of car you got right.
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Now? I've got a.
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BMW. That's what I'm talking.
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About. There you.
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Go. Okay, good stuff. Well, hey, congratulations again. We can't wait to see you on this offensive line and see exactly how the Cowboys utilize you up.
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Front. Sounds good. Thank you so.
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Much. All right, there he goes, the newest Dallas Cowboy, a Johnny Cornelius, offensive tackle, slash guard from Oregon. Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to go one way or the other, but he's going to play a lot of offensive line there up front. Cowboys getting closer and closer, closer to starting the seventh round. They have the first pick in the seventh round at 2. 17. Some names off the board even over the course of that phone call. How about edge rusher, Antoine Powell, Ryland from Virginia Tech going to the Philadelphia Eagles at.
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2. Oh, got my board.
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Again. They continue doing.
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It. That dude. Whoops. People. Man, great, great pass rusher. High effort, man. Good against the run. Man, great, great, great pick for those guys on.
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Like. And then another Virginia Tech hokey right after that. An ESP defensive tackle from Virginia Tech goes to the Ravens. Good picking teams make two good.
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Picks. I have to give credit to Virginia Tech because as I went through this draft process, I fell in love with so many of their.
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Guys. They got about six of.
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Them. My gosh, Dorian Strong, Anais Peebles, Antoine Powell, Ryland, Bashol Tutin. I mean, they. They had a talent. Jalen Lane. They had some really talented players this draft cycle. And you look back at some of the games that they lost last year and how close it was. They were close to being ACC contenders last year. I don't think people realize. And they return their quarterback, Kyron Drones, next year. They're obviously gonna have to replace some pieces, but that's a team to keep an eye out for moving forward. They have a really good offensive line, too, and Brock Hoffman lets me know about it quite a.
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Bit. Yeah, they had that Hail Mary loss to.
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Miami. Yeah, that was not a Hail Mary loss. It should have been a dubbed the other way. Yeah, I was shocked that they rolled that. A win for Miami. That's some ACC.
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Collusion. Let's hear from the secret audio. Johnny Cornelius getting the call to be a Dallas.
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Cowboy. Johnny, this. Jerry Jones with the Cowboys. And Hey, J. We're doing. We're turning your name in. We want you to be a Cowboy. This is an honor. Thank you so much. Well, it's. I'm proud for you because what an accomplishment out of all the players playing the game and get drafted in the NFL. But we're really excited about. You have had a one. Really can't imagine how many people were on your side draft you. So we're glad to have you here. I'm really excited, too, and thanks so much for the opportunity. I can't wait to be a Cowboy. Okay, well, here. Here's our head.
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Coach.
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Johnny. Yeah. Johnny. Congratulations, man. You're a Cowboy. Thank you so much. I can't wait. I'm so blessed, and thank you just so much for the opportunity. Well, hey, listen, Coach Riley came back from spending some time with you out there and just said you're our type of guy and you're going to come in and compete. And we're just thrilled to have you, man. Absolutely. I can't wait to get there and compete. And you tell Coach Riley it was an honor getting to know him at Oregon, and just. Thank you so much. Well, I got two guys. He's one of the guys who wants to speak to you first. Going to be Clayton Adams, our.
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Coordinator. Then Connor's gonna say hello to you as.
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A
Well.
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Congratulations.
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Here's. Here's Coach Adams first. Thank you.
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Coach. Johnny. What's up.
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Brother? Hey, Coach. How you.
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Doing? Oh, man, just fired up. Very excited for you to become part of this.
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Thing. I can't wait, Coach. I'm so excited. Congratulations. Thank you.
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D
Coach. I'm gonna let you talk to Connor first here, but I got Uncle Junior over here waiting to talk to you as well, man. Soak it in.
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Man. Here's.
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What. What's up.
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Stud? Hey, Coach. How you doing, man? I'm doing.
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Great. How you.
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Doing? I'm doing great. I just feel so blessed, and I'm just so grateful for the.
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Opportunity. Hey.
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Buddy. We're gonna do great things here. You got me? Absolutely. So happy for you, and congratulations.
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To you, but this is just the first.
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Step. Absolutely, Coach. I can't.
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Wait. Absolutely. Make sure you thank a lot.
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Of people who helped you get to this position, you hear me? I will. I will. We'll be talking to you soon. All.
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Right. June wants to say what's up.
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Congrats. Congratulations again. Can't wait to get to.
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Work. Nephew, what's up? How you feeling, man? I feel good. I feel blessed. That's really cool. I can't wait to get over there, man. Yeah, man, I'm proud of you. I'm super proud of you, man. I know your mom is and Uncle Chris and everybody, man. So. Yeah. All right. Let's get this thing going, boss. Let's get it going. All right. Love you, man. Love you too. All.
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Right. All right. There's a secret audio to Johnny Cornell, picked at the six round selection 204 by the Dallas Cowboys. We are closing in on 217. The Ravens are on the clock at 2:12 right now. Another Texas Longhorn from that offensive.
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Line.
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Yeah. Off board, Hayden.
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Connor. Yeah, this is, this is a fun one. I covered this kid in the recruiting process and when he was coming out, he chose Texas not only because, because it was a good, it was a good football program. He also chose it for the astrophysics program. He wants, he wanted to be an astronaut coming out of high school and he went to school to do that. And he eventually ended up changing majors and still got a really, really good degree. But wide framed. And he is wicked smart. I mean, this is probably the smartest guy in this class. I think if you took it pound for pound and that showed up in the Georgia game, there was something really fascinating that happened with him. So during the entire Georgia game, he would do this intentional pre snap tell to let him know that he was about to pull back into pass block. And he would only do it ever so often. If you look at the film, you'll find it really dive into it. You'll see it late in the Georgia game. This is the first Georgia game that they played in Austin. They were driving down the field, they needed a score and it was a third and I believe four. And he did the pre snap test tell before it went and he drew an offsides. So he initiated a pre snap tell to get an offsides penalty later in the game. It was something I had never seen before. I was like, oh my gosh, this guy, I mean I, I knew he was smart, but like to see that get applied to the football field, I was like, man, this guy's, this guy's a genius. He's the only guard in FBS last year that did not allow a sack. He is, he's a talented player. I'm surprised he went this low. He's not that athletic, I get it. But he's, he's 6' 6, 322. He's not going to Be that, that guy that gets out in space, I don't think. But really talented player and the IQ, man, I'm going to bank on that IQ 10 times out of 10. He's going to be a very, very talented player for.
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Arizona. What was the tell? Do.
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You. It was like a, it was like a hand on the left knee. He would, I think it was like a pinky. He would throw out. He would do like a pinky snap, if that made.
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Sense.
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Huh. So like it was small enough to where, where somebody. And off the referee would not call false start on.
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Him.
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Yeah. But the opposing defensive line would notice. So he would like throw out the.
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Pinky.
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Wow.
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Yeah. That's.
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Amazing. It was.
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Incredible. And he was.
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Super. Something I'd never seen before.
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Started. I think it was every game at left guard over the last three years. And yeah, I mean I think it's probably just the athleticism. That's probably why he.
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Slid. Don't look at the.
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Board. Oh.
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God. The Ravens just picked a player. Don't look at the.
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Board. Don't look at the.
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Board. The.
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Board. They just picked a player. Who do you think it.
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Was?
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Ravens. The.
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Ravens.
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Ravens.
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Ravens. And I'm looking at you specifically for a.
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Reason. Is it.
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Robert? It's.
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Robert. It's Robert. The Ravens know how to draft EVs, man. And it's, it's incredible. It's incredible. Every single year they get one or two that we all look at each other like, damn, that's a good.
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Pick. They haven't really been very active here on day three, but then these last two out of the last three picks, they've picked up Peebles and longer beam in 210 and 212. That's where they've been the last couple of minutes. It's pretty impressive. They keep doing some, some big time damage. Tell me about him. Zach Wolczuk. Yeah, he's a slot guy but he is a really good.
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Player. This guy actually played quarterback in high school, which is pretty nuts. But he was a three year starter at Rutgers, had 10 or more PBUs and three of his five seasons there played outside corner. But he can be a really good slot player at the NFL level in my opinion. Blitz off the edge. He's fearless when coming up and run support, quick feet and speed to carry receivers. I think he has the perfect play temperament to kick inside and play the slot. He's skinny, but he can make open field tackles and just makes plays on the football on a consistent basis. Closes quickly, challenges receivers at the point of the catch, I loved him. He was one of my favorite. Day 3 possible corners and Baltimore strikes again. I mean, this is just. If we were to pull up their draft class, I'm sure we're looking at it and saying, yep, we like that guy. This guy. That's another one. Boom. Bing, bang, Baltimore's probably kicking.
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Us. Yeah, that was pretty good. Here is their draft class. Starks, Green, Teddy Buchanan, Carson Vincent, Anais Peoples, and now Robert Langer.
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Beam. Yeah, it's just so much fun.
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Especially on the deep side. Yeah, that's a good looking class. All right, continuing on, we've got a couple picks away from the Cowboys now, five selections away from the Cowboys to start the seventh round. Here's the war room. Don't see Brian Schottenheimer in there, but looks like the Jones family, very much so. Having that, that conversation in the.
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Back. What were you thinking there.
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Kyle? I was Zach Wolcheck, that's.
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All. I don't want to talk about it, man. That black rifle energy, man, it's.
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It'S just helping us get through the.
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Day. Oh, it.
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Is. It's got me rolling right.
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Now. Same thing with that.
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Day. Second.
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Gear.
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Water. Yeah, man. Yeah.
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Boy. We hydrated the Miller.
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Lights. We.
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Hydrated. Got a couple of those in the back waiting for when this thing is over.
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With. All we need is a good stretch. We, we got one more round.
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Player. Yeah, this is.
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Easy. So do we leave on the.
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Last. Oh, my.
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God. This is a fun.
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Pick.
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213. Oh, my God, the Las Vegas.
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Raiders. Nick, I need you to talk about. I didn't actually watch him. I just saw like some Twitter highlights and I was like, damn, this, this kid's.
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Crazy.
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Yeah. And I didn't put him on my board, which now I'm kicking myself. There's only been three so far. Tommy Mellet. I don't even know if that's how you say it, but I'm looking it up. I, I've had people tell me this is going to be a Julian Edelman type weapon in the.
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NFL. It is.
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Mel. So he's going to like move.
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To wide receiver to receiver is the idea, but it's the Raiders. I mean, the Raiders are going after speed. He ran a 4, 39 and so is he going to be a backup quarterback? Is he going to be a receiver option? Oh, man, I, I, I'm. One of the first things I'm going to do when I get home tonight is go to their press conference and see if they ask about this guy. To see where they're going to play.
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Him. He won the Walter Payton Award as the top player in the fcs and he was a dude at Montana.
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State. Talented.
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Player. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. I mean it's really interesting overall where he could end up, but the fact that another quarterback off the board, whether he plays quarterback or not. And we're still looking at Quinn. Yours still.
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Available? Yeah.
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That'S. And we're about to go into.
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Round number seven and Vegas has two picks in the next three selections and I figured Quinn would. Would have been one of them. But if they turned it in as a court, then that means they're going to try him out at quarterback first. Yeah, you know, they didn't try him out. They didn't put him in as a receiver. And you know, typically they put in the. The card with the position of. Of preference. You could go back to last year with the Detroit Lions. It was Sion. Was it Sion Vaki, Was that his name? The safety that was at Utah that they turned in as a running back. And we all looked at each other like, huh, as a running back. Okay. And yeah, he's in that right. Running back room. So if they turned it in as a quarterback, that means they're going to try him out there first. But I think he's going to have some real versatility for.
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Them. It's pretty wild. Offensive player of the year in the fcs, as I said, Big sky offensive mvp, top five in FCS passing efficiency. So he can sling it a little bit. But it's really about that athleticism though, right. The Chargers, Raiders and Broncos to end the the sixth round and then the Cowboys are on the clock. Would you take a stab at Quinn ewers here? Why not 217? Why.
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Not? I mean, unless you think you can get him in as an undrafted free agent. If you want to try and take somebody.
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Else. Too big of a name to fall that far. Right. I would take a go all the way.
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Out. I would take a running back with 217. But if he's on the clock by the time we get to 239, that's probably where I would look.
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At. You think the same way.
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Brian? Yeah, I think so.
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Too. But if White Cotton's in the room, then is maybe defensive tackle, defense tackle first then. And if you get to the last. Let me see my last 2:47. If he's out there at 247, why not? Why.
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Not? I think it'd be worth a shot here. Kyle Manon guy is still Sticking around.
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Though. So is.
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Martinez. Martinez.
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Yeah. Is it, is it more advantage. Advantageous for these guys to get.
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Drafted?
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No. At 2:50. No.
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Listen. No, you want to, you want to choose where you can go, you can make some.
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Money. So that's what I was about to.
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Say. Like you choose where you want.
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To go to pay nicely.
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Right? Yeah. The Cowboys. If in fact the one thing that Steven and Jerry do will they will take the guys off their draft board.
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First.
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Yeah. That are. That when the draft's over, if they've got names, those are the names they attack first. We saw their tight end from Minnesota. Minnesota last year would get $250,000 bonus.
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Man.
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Ford. Yeah. Span Ford. So Stephen and Jerry, if they, if they determine that there's a. If there's a draftable player still on the board, they'll throw some money. They will recruit their ass off and try and throw some money and see if they can get the kid. So in this case, no. If you get in the seventh round, it starts getting late. Yeah. It's nice to say you got drafted, but in actuality, you could choose. If you're good enough and you're on someone's draft board, you. You could choose where you want to.
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Go.
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Yeah. Well, speaking of, Quinn, yours is a South Lake Carroll teammate. RJ Mickens just got picked to the Los Angeles Chargers. RJ Mickens, really good kid. I covered him coming out too. We'll talk about him after the Dallas pick. I think there's, I think there's some discussions we can have here. Picking at the top of the seventh round. Really interesting name still on the board. Obviously, if you go defensive tackle Cam Horsley is still out there.
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Correct? Yeah. Yep, he.
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Is. So I'm looking at, yeah, I'm looking at 0 and 1 text here. Jay Toya. I'll go with you. Kyle Toya, we'll roll with.
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That. Toya, he'd be my guy.
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Probably. That's, that's where I would lean if that were the.
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Case. I do like Fidel Diggs, though. And you brought him up.
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Earlier. Yeah, I have a third round grade on him. He's my number 100 player. Zeke Biggers out of Georgia Tech. Six, three, two, one. Nazir.
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Stackhouse.
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Yeah. Comes from Georgia. You know, they love the big program type guys. And then if you're looking for an Arkansas connection with Jerry Jones, Eric.
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Gregory, they've taken a Arkansas defensive tackle in the.
- [391:19]
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Past. So let me ask you right, if. If they're looking for a one tech like that, I got A feeling that some of those guys probably wouldn't even be drafted. Would you just wait till after the draft to possibly get, get one of those.
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Guys? One.
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Tech. Yeah, one of the.
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Big. Just double dip on this running.
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Group. That's what I'm.
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Saying. Just go double dip this.
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Running. I would rather go running back and like, like corner and then I'll just, I'll just bank on tackle after the draft. If it's me at this point.
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I, I don't know what's up with Kobe Hudson and Nick Nash. I love those.
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D
Two. Probably Nash's speed or age or.
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Say, I mean he's.
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26. Yeah. Speed and.
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Age. Probably.
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Both. It's probably both. But I would say there's, there's significant on both.
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Ends. T.
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Johnson. Somebody's.
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Johnson. Another one.
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Yeah.
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Speed.
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Speed. But he got good tape though. I, I, I, you know, speed, speed. I.
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Get. I'm with.
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You. His release package is really wonky too. It's really.
- [392:09]
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Wonky. He's the last top 100 player I have on my.
- [392:12]
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Board. Is. I got a third.
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Round. And the Raiders just took another.
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Quarterback.
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What? Oh, Cam Miller, North.
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Dakota. Another FCS.
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Quarterback. Another fc and this is a talented guy. I like this.
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Play. Yeah. Wasn't this FCS title.
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Game? Wasn't that North Dakota State vs. Montana.
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State? Did they just take.
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It? Sure was quarterbacks from the.
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Sec. It sure was FCS national title.
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Game. So somebody's in Frisco and it's.
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Not, it's not the Cowboys, it's Las Vegas.
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Raiders. Yeah. 3,300 yards last year, 33 touchdowns, four picks. He wasn't asked to do a lot in a run first offense but he really managed things Cam Miller did. But getting ready for the Cowboys pick here and curious to see did they turn around and ask their boy Paxton Anderson. Hey, what do you know about Quinn? Paxton Anderson, obviously a former walk on at the Texas football program, knows Quinn.
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Well.
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Yeah. You've already taken one Texas Longhorn in the draft. You could take another.
- [393:05]
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One. Tommy got to call in, right? If you take, I mean, look.
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C
If we're going to see Tommy run on the screen and just turn the card in, he's going to box out. Jerry, call the.
- [393:14]
B
Phone. Pick up the phone. From.
- [393:15]
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Will. If their plan was to add a quarterback, Quinn makes a ton of.
- [393:19]
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Sense.
- [393:19]
E
Yeah. Now if they do think he goes undrafted, I also think you probably are the top team to land his.
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Services. He's a local.
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Kid. The Cowboys will tend to offer the bonuses to be able to see the.
- [393:31]
C
Services. He might have one person in his ear saying it's not a good idea.
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Though. Who would that.
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Be? He trained with Mike McCarthy during the draft.
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Process.
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Maybe.
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Maybe. Could be. There's a just kind of reading.
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Where it lost the words. It's. Yeah, could.
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Be.
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Maybe. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know how Mike.
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Feels. I. Yeah, I can say I don't know if he'd turn him away from this, but he might send him another different.
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Direction. Mike was working on him with hitches and.
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Slants. I'd probably hit those D tackles here, though. I mean, I'd like the.
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Receiver. I don't work.
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Here. Pick is in for the Broncos. So the Cowboys officially on the.
- [394:09]
C
Clock. We're only doing routes less than 10.
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Yards. Throwing them curls, man. Run up, feeling, turning around. That's what we.
- [394:14]
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Did. We're also live on YouTube and.
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A
X @ the moment.
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As well. Well, so hi to all those.
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D
Out there.
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B
Hello, folk. Yeah, thanks for joining us. We're also streaming all day long on Dallas Cowboys.com and 105 through.
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The fan. Kyle.
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Is tied. Listen, looks like we got a.
- [394:27]
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Consensus here. Listen to.
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Kyle's voice. Oh, here we go. Let's see who walks in the picture here. Oh, Jerry's point. Like, you got.
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It, man. That's.
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Your guy.
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Come on. Oh, and now Steven's yelling at.
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Somebody outside. Oh, Schottenheimer is standing in.
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Front of the board.
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Right cuffed. So they got. Yeah, they got some.
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Defensive line. Defensive line.
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I wonder. UCLA.
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Kid to. I wonder if that's the case now Schottenheimer's.
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In frame. Hi Shotty pick is in.
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216. Who's Y's highest ranked defensive tackle left minus.
- [395:03]
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Horsley, actually. Did I have Horsley higher? I think I had.
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To higher. I did Shimco anywhere because he would have the Boston.
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College connection. I got the UCLA.
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Kid higher. Yeah, it's. And then Horsley. I both had him in.
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The fifth. 165.
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And 169. Toya moves better but I think Horsely is a better one Tech type dude. Like he's a better heavy double team taker type guy in my.
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Personal opinion. And the pick is in. They are on the phone with the prospect currently. This will be the 217th. Who could it be in the NFL Draft? Who's your. Who's your guess here? You're going to go one way or.
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The other. I'm not.
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Going to. Let me see if you.
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Know what I'm Just not going.
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To guess.
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E
He knows. Is it one of those names.
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We mentioned? Come on now we got.
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To play. I'd like to pretend to be smart. If it's not even a name we've mentioned, then we're going to look.
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C
Like fools. We got Clayton Adams in the.
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Picture too. I'm going to go with the UCLA kid. That's who I'd prefer. I actually disagree with you, Vodch, and I love you, but I think. I think Toya is actually the better one. Tech. Between the two, I think Horsley gives you more pass rush.
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Ice cream.
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Big dope. Yeah.
- [396:03]
B
For sure. Yeah. They're both.
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Good.
- [396:05]
B
Players. Yeah. At this point in the draft, I think you're getting. I'm. I'm getting for value from.
- [396:09]
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Either side. I mean, both of.
- [396:11]
A
Them are. One text, we'll talk.
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D
Them through. You go ahead and.
- [396:12]
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Start talking. I think Toya is the true nose hustle and effort. Moves well for his size. Stout at the point of attack to anchor down, hold his ground fast. Slippery hands to shed blocks. Make stops in the run game consistently quick, get off. Rewarded for effort by fighting back and making tackles when initially taken out of a play. Play keeps pad level down to fight under blocks. Good awareness to stiff out screens. He's a wide player to eat up double teams, keep linebackers clean. I think he's gonna. He's gonna be a really good rotational defensive tackle in.
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D
The league. Bosh. Tell me about that other kid from that. You.
- [396:43]
A
Like Horsley? As far as Horsley goes, the very first line in my notes is he's whooping Pittsburgh right now. Very strong plays with a good sense of gravity. Very heavy, hard to move him. Doesn't lose ground on double if you're in a one on one. Good luck to you. Also, also long arms too. So he's stacking, shedding, controlling. Eyes are always in the backfield. Good for him. And best down passes with the arm. I think that's very important to linebacker. Stay clean is all. Get out. Probably not much of a pass rusher, but he stops. But he stops the run.
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D
Really good. Kind of like both these guys.
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E
You know? Yeah, I do too. I'm.
- [397:15]
D
Really good. I like what they. I like what they said about the. Both.
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These players. I love my first line because it paints a picture the. That he's really like. He was whooping Pittsburgh terribly. They could do nothing with him. Double teams, they'll even send the runner. They'll send the running back behind the double team. Nothing. And he'll just Terrorize those guys. I was a big fan.
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B
Of horse. First punter off the board, final pick of the sixth round, a punter. Jeremy Crawshaw.
- [397:39]
D
From Florida. He'll crush it.
- [397:40]
E
In that. That guy's the best punter in the class, man. I'll tell you what, he can freaking.
- [397:44]
B
Boot it. He'll crush.
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C
It. Yeah. I'm not letting you.
- [397:47]
B
Have it. I know it was a little much of a reason, but. First punter off the board.
- [397:51]
D
Third specialist. Any punter that gets drafted by the Broncos, they got to be happy that Mile air. That guy lead the league in punting if he's.
- [397:59]
B
Half ass. That's why they took him. That's why they took him around. You know.
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D
I like. I do. I like what. I like what my guys said about these.
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E
Defensive tackles. They're.
- [398:11]
D
Both good. I.
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B
Really do. If you were to go running back, who are your top running backs here? I know we're.
- [398:15]
C
Probably.
- [398:15]
D
Not. Yeah. Martinez would be the guy for Merit.
- [398:20]
A
G. Smith. Has he.
- [398:22]
E
Gone.
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A
Somewhere?
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D
No. Smu. No, he.
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A
Has.
- [398:25]
E
Not. Goodness. That.
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A
Is.
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D
Crazy. Allen. I think Martinez. Martinez would.
- [398:30]
E
Be my. Martinez is a really. I think would be a great pairing with. With blue. I think that I'd be really pumped.
- [398:35]
B
About that. That would.
- [398:36]
A
Be fun. It'd.
- [398:36]
B
Be fun. All right, officially on to the seventh round of the 2025 NFL drop draft. Cowboys will pick at 2:17,239, and then again at 2:47. Wouldn't be shocked to see them try and do what they did in the fifth round. Pair those two sevenths and try and get back.
- [398:54]
A
Up there. Yeah, but they might.
- [398:56]
D
Not all. They might also want to just go ahead and pick those guys because you don't have to fight for them in.
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B
Free agency. Use.
- [399:01]
D
Those as. Yeah. Okay. Who. Who. Yeah, Stephen Jones is going to walk in there and he's going to start to look at the board. He's going to say, okay, this is what our team looks like. Like. And this is the guys we need to kind of go after for depth. You know, maybe the, the. The 12th lineman or the, you know, the, the. The 13th guy here, the fifth tight.
- [399:19]
E
End, whatever. That shy. Paxton and JS all.
- [399:22]
B
Look happy. They always look happy. They're happy to.
- [399:25]
A
Be there. So since we're happy if I was them too, since we're out of draft picks, basically we're not going to have a substantive trade, are we? A.
- [399:34]
E
Substantive.
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B
Trade? No. You got next.
- [399:36]
E
Year'S draft. Yeah, I.
- [399:37]
B
Guess so. Which becomes this.
- [399:38]
E
Year draft. I know there's a free Agent wide receiver. I got, you know, crapped on pretty good by some people out there for mentioning.
- [399:45]
B
His name. Talking about the guy that. I.
- [399:47]
E
Think Chicago. Yeah, Yeah. I think that guy would be an excellent fit as a bridge wide receiver too, if you needed. I still think he can play. He's a good route runner. He's not a guy that's going to be a diva and complain. So I think there's options.
- [400:00]
B
For you. We're waiting the official word on the television side of the war room. Very much so. How happy with the pick. And then they're right back to work. About 20 selections later at pick 239. They're interviewing.
- [400:16]
D
Kenny celebrities. That's not.
- [400:17]
B
I said. I almost said.
- [400:18]
D
Kenny Ches. That's the guy does the commercials.
- [400:21]
A
With.
- [400:22]
B
Peyton. Manny. Yeah, he's on like the. The.
- [400:24]
A
Insurance commercials. Don't ask me what.
- [400:26]
D
He'S saying.
- [400:27]
B
Brad Paisley.
- [400:28]
E
That's him. It's Brad Paisley.
- [400:30]
B
Come on. Yeah. Stop.
- [400:32]
E
It, Zach. I recognize him, too. I couldn't have pulled that name out of my.
- [400:36]
B
Rear, though. Yeah, Brian got.
- [400:37]
D
It, though. Be nice to the Haynes pick and swing. Talk.
- [400:40]
B
About it. Yeah, I would love to just throw this up on the lower third. You don't have to inter. Interrupt the. The interview. Just throw up the pick. Come on.
- [400:47]
A
Let'S go. Let's get the.
- [400:48]
B
Big guy. We think it's going to be a defensive tackle. Give me the Tongan based off of I got to coach.
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D
White cotton. You got.
- [400:54]
A
The.
- [400:55]
E
Pick? Yeah.
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A
Do you? I.
- [400:57]
E
Got it. You know which one it is? I don't want to look. I want to.
- [400:59]
A
Be surprised. I don't know to.
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B
Pig, man. We're.
- [401:01]
D
Supposed to. Oh, it is. There.
- [401:02]
E
You go.
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B
Let's go. Defensive tackle out of ucla. Toa is.
- [401:12]
A
The.
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D
Selection.
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B
Yeah.
- [401:13]
E
Toa.
- [401:14]
B
Toia. Toia. I'm a big fan, man. That is officially from the NFL. I can show it to you if you are.
- [401:19]
A
Doubting me. I do like you just.
- [401:23]
D
Like waiting like eight minutes before you said.
- [401:25]
E
That name. Hey, that's.
- [401:26]
A
Our guy. I had to wait for.
- [401:27]
E
You guys. That's.
- [401:28]
D
Our guy. No, I'm talking about our colleague.
- [401:30]
A
Behind us. Just to add. Just to add the woolchuck, though, for his size. Bog it off in hands, man. Energy. Bog it off in hands. Plus everything that he said. And he's just a heavy gravity dude. I mean, I did like horse a little better, but I mean, you can't miss with either one of these guys. So I.
- [401:47]
E
Mean, fantastic. And he's got. I mean, grew up in Tonga Played rugby. His brother's a rugby player in New Zealand. Zealand Seoki Ika also his brother was a D tackle at lsu. Came out a few years ago. Other, other brother is a D lineman at San Jose State. His cousins a d lineman at USC. So I mean they're all over the place. Started 36 games over four seasons and he helped anchor it a two time top 10 rushing day. So this guy to me is going to keep your linebackers clean. He's going to be stout against the run. He's going to be able to give Mozzie and Justin Rogers, whoever else makes that team as a one tech a breather. Keep that rotation going for Aaron White Cotton. I love this. I think this is a tremendous seventh round pick that honestly is probably going to give you a lot of good snaps.
- [402:30]
B
This year. Well, and he's not your typical trash can full of dirt.
- [402:34]
D
Defensive one. No.
- [402:35]
E
He'S 3:40. He's got some slippery movement.
- [402:37]
A
To.
- [402:37]
E
Get up and he's a hustle guy. Like there's times where he's going to get caught up field ball goes behind him and then he's going to double back and he'll make the tackle. In the.
- [402:47]
D
Run game. This cat battles all kinds of blocks. I mean he is really, really good at doing that and I think he could penetrate. He can cause problems that way as a pass rusher, I mean he doesn't have a lot of sacks but man, he's one of those guys that if he gets going, he gets that head of steam going, he can make it happen. It's when he has to start, stop, then restart that he's likely going to kind of get stuck along the line of scrimmage. But at 342 pounds, the movement that he has really the kind of the wider that teams go on him, I mean he, he, he's, you know, he can make plays but really if they go really far outside on him, it could be a little bit of a problem there. But I, I love the fact that he's got the initial quickness. I think he could be a load to deal with inside and his first initial contact is really super, is very powerful. I mean he can control some blockers with the way.
- [403:35]
C
He plays. Yeah and he like you said, just a ton of size and he's, he comes from a football fan family. He has a brother that plays for the Eagles and sionica, he was drafted last year in the third round. He has a younger brother that's a five star defensive tackle that's getting recruited by about every single guy in the country. I'm sorry. Did you.
- [403:53]
B
Mention.
- [403:54]
C
It? No. Why are y' all looking.
- [403:55]
D
At me? Didn't you say.
- [403:56]
E
All that? Yeah.
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B
I did.
- [403:57]
D
Yeah, Exactly. Over there. Like.
- [403:59]
A
Doing business.
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E
No, no. It's all good, dude. Maybe there's some people that just.
- [404:03]
D
Tuned in. I thought you were gonna add something.
- [404:06]
A
To it.
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B
My fault. It.
- [404:08]
E
Was almost. You probably got the pronunciations way better than.
- [404:11]
B
It was. It was almost word.
- [404:12]
A
For word. Did you know that he was Cousin. Did y' all know that? Did y' all.
- [404:18]
D
Know that? I didn't.
- [404:19]
C
Know that. I'm sorry, guys. I hate being that guy too.
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E
I'm sorry. It's.
- [404:23]
D
All good. Go for it, man. Go.
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C
For it. That hit.
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A
On tape. One.
- [404:27]
C
More thing. Can we go back to.
- [404:29]
A
That hit? One more thing. He's. He's. He's got a ton of family to leave. He got cousins in the league. You hear me? One of them played for lsu. What's.
- [404:39]
E
His name? He actually transferred from Baylor.
- [404:43]
D
I think.
- [404:44]
C
Or maybe. Get.
- [404:46]
D
Off me.
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A
My man.
- [404:47]
D
My man. My man ran it down and then all of a sudden you just double down. Just like. How about. How about ability? How.
- [404:55]
C
About.
- [404:56]
D
Ability?
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C
Ability. Ability. Yeah, I. Let me pull up the notes for once. Why. Why don't we do that? I. He. 50 career.
- [405:03]
A
Games. 36. What's.
- [405:07]
C
Going on? Did he actually.
- [405:08]
D
Are.
- [405:08]
C
You.
- [405:08]
A
No. Yes. He said all that? That's the first thing.
- [405:11]
C
Zach said. He's one of the best in the class of the defensive tackle position in creating for others around him.
- [405:16]
A
And that. There.
- [405:18]
D
We go. I knew you'd.
- [405:19]
A
Rally back. What's his cousin name? He got any family in.
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B
The.
- [405:26]
C
League? Yeah. You got.
- [405:27]
D
A few. Any of them.
- [405:28]
E
Rugby players? Is.
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A
He Tongue? I heard.
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C
His tongue. Where do you go.
- [405:34]
A
To.
- [405:34]
C
School? But. But you factor in that with the pass rush weapons that they have around him. Michael Parsons.
- [405:40]
A
Donovan's rocku. He's.
- [405:41]
C
Nice, man. If you watch Swessinger tape, you'll see Toya opening up paths for him to make place. And that's. That's pretty fascinating. Also see it on K. Madrano tape. I guess while we're at it. He works through the trash. He's got a bulky frame. He gets lateral in the running lanes. He doesn't bring a ton of instinct in the pass rush, but he showed a little improvement there in 24. But I like this guy in the run game. I think. Look. I think there's some big body now in the defensive interior. And you have a guy who specializes in the run game. Yeah. And I don't know, maybe there's some competition there. At.
- [406:17]
A
One sec. He's a little different from mine, right? Go M's like 315 now.
- [406:21]
B
Sort of. Yeah, right. Right.
- [406:23]
A
Around there. He's bigger if that. Yeah, he's a. He's a. He's a. He's a different kind of nose. And look, Vi. Phenomenal question asking coach this when we.
- [406:30]
B
When we. When.
- [406:31]
E
We watch. What was that really, really good question.
- [406:33]
A
You asked? I asked coach Whitecot, and I said, coach, what. What kind of noses do you like? I was looking this direct. I'm looking at Nick Harris.
- [406:40]
B
But we're not talking.
- [406:42]
A
Body parts. So I was like, no, not. Not his nose. But I was like, coach, I. What kind of noses do you like? 310 or 330? I thought it was a legit question because, I mean.
- [406:50]
B
We just. It's a very good question. It's.
- [406:52]
A
Pretty good. Thank you, guys. We have a bunch of noses here that fall into a lot of different ranges there. And I think they're gonna be ambiguous with the type of nose that they like. So there's room for 310 noses and 330.
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D
340.
- [407:04]
A
How. 342. 342 nose. There's.
- [407:07]
C
Room for. That's how I know you've been around this building a little bit. Now you're using the word ambiguous. That's a.
- [407:11]
E
Jones special. Should we just, like, double down? Go.
- [407:13]
C
Get Horsley. I'd be. I'd.
- [407:15]
A
Be down. Let's just get.
- [407:16]
E
This down. Let's get this.
- [407:17]
C
Offensive line. Okay. This is. This is a fascinating conversation. You have an opportunity to double down at one Tech corner or.
- [407:22]
A
Running back? Running back. Right now, I'm.
- [407:24]
E
Taking Martinez. Yeah, Martinez. Definitely the best.
- [407:26]
B
Guy left. Kyle the nun guy. I would like to throw that name into the mix. Yeah, I'm totally cool with still available here.
- [407:32]
E
As well. I am surprised. Tez Johnson, Seth McLaughlin have not.
- [407:36]
C
Been taken. Logan sinners taking the entire draft. Two true centers taken in the.
- [407:41]
E
Entire draft.
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C
That's.
- [407:43]
A
Crazy. Yeah. Steph McLough on.
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D
The board. He's still on.
- [407:46]
A
The board. What in tarnation.
- [407:48]
E
Going on? I.
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B
Don'T know. Yeah, a lot of.
- [407:49]
A
Those interior. I kind of feel like.
- [407:51]
D
Value wise. I kind of feel like I missed.
- [407:53]
E
Him maybe. I. I.
- [407:54]
A
Don'T know. I think he's.
- [407:56]
E
A dude. This is weird to me. I guess you don't really.
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D
Need.
- [407:59]
E
An. Yeah. You got a lot of.
- [408:00]
A
Offensive linemen. Hey.
- [408:02]
E
I would.
- [408:02]
A
Kobe Hudson. What the hell's wrong With Kobe Hudson.
- [408:04]
C
Nothing'S wrong. I'm not big.
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E
Kobe Hudson.
- [408:06]
D
Really? What. What.
- [408:07]
E
Was it. What was it.
- [408:08]
A
About Hudson? I.
- [408:08]
C
Don'T know. I just. I didn't. I had a.
- [408:10]
A
Via udfa. You had a bad night.
- [408:12]
B
It's cool. Since the Cowboys took toy that stretch at 217, Jack Nelson, offensive tackle from Wisconsin goes to the Falcons at 218 and then 219. The Giants take Thomas Fadoni, the tight end from Nebraska there. Let's hear the secret audio from Jay to the interior defensive lineman.
- [408:32]
A
From ucla. Jay, this Jerry Jones with the Cowboys. Hey, man, I am proud to tell you we've just drafted you. Well, we're excited. We're really excited about it. And I've got a lot of support. You can hear it in the background in here. But a lot of support for you. You're a hell of a football player and man, we're going to hit the ground running with you. Yes, sir. But really, congratulations to you. Proud for you. Thank you. Listen, I want our head coach to congratulate you too. Here he is, your head coach. Jay. Congrats, my man. Appreciate it. Hey, love visiting with you, brother. Seriously, love visit with you, man. Congratulations. You were a.
- [409:17]
E
Dallas Cowboy. Can you.
- [409:17]
A
Believe that? Yes, sir. Let's do it. Let's do it. Hey, and listen, we know a few things about playing great defense around here. We got one of the best, if not the best D line.
- [409:26]
E
Coaches in the league and he can't.
- [409:28]
A
Wait to get his hands.
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D
On you.
- [409:29]
A
Yes, sir. I got two guys I want to talk.
- [409:31]
E
To you. Okay? Our D coordinator wants to.
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A
Say hello. Matt Eberfluss and then coach Whitecot and the D line coach. Congrats again. All right, here's coach Jay. What up, coach? Hey, this is flu, so I'm the decoordinator. You good, man? Yes, sir. I'm good. Hey, I'm going tell you something, man. We. We love you. We love you. I'm telling you the reason I love you is because you're mean and you're athletic, right?
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D
Yes, sir. And you're.
- [409:55]
A
A playmaker. So you're going to do awesome in our defense, man. Let's do it. Yeah, you're going to be able to take off. Take off on the ball finally. You don't have to read anything. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. All.
- [410:06]
D
Right, man. All.
- [410:06]
B
Right, here's.
- [410:07]
A
Here's a. Here's our D line coach. All right, Jay. What's up, big dog? What.
- [410:11]
B
Up, coach? Hey, you told me this for your number.
- [410:13]
D
One spot.
- [410:14]
A
Didn't you? Yeah, for sure. You're here.
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C
Now, bro.
- [410:17]
B
Let's go. I'm excited for.
- [410:18]
A
You, man.
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B
Appreciate it. All.
- [410:20]
A
Right, brother. Enjoy this day with your family, all right? Yes, sir. I tell you, Brian brought us on with you, man. I would. They don't. They don't say much. They don't. They don't say much. And that is a big contrast from Tyler Booker, who had, like, a lot to say. Yeah, like, it's.
- [410:35]
B
A big. He's giving.
- [410:35]
A
A speech. Yeah, yeah. Booker's oozing personality. I guess we didn't have a lot of that in round six.
- [410:40]
B
And seven, but I would have fallen out of my chair if Aaron White Cotton took the phone and was like, hey, I was asked this great question earlier on the radio, this guy about who I want. And you were that type of guy. This guy. This guy asked me a.
- [410:55]
C
Phenomenal question. I would have fell out of my chair if he was like, who's.
- [410:58]
E
Your cousin? Oh, that would have.
- [410:59]
A
Been hilarious. Like your.
- [411:00]
E
Family there. Hey.
- [411:01]
D
Siaka there. What's the.
- [411:03]
C
Rugby background? See, I missed that part. That's, like, going over my.
- [411:07]
A
Head because I didn't hear him.
- [411:07]
D
Say it. No, it's.
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A
All good. He was on.
- [411:09]
E
Down Dog. You made that joke, and I wasn't paying attention earlier. So, you know.
- [411:13]
B
It happens. It.
- [411:14]
C
Definitely happens. Credit to you, Zach.
- [411:16]
A
Walsh. Thanks. I'll say one more. One more thing about Booker, then we can get back to Jay. I haven't said it on the. Tyler Booker by.
- [411:21]
D
Tyler.
- [411:22]
A
Booker. Okay. Just one more thing I haven't said on camera yet. When they were doing the press conference thing, he was talking about visualization. He was like, man, I think about my cleats, I think about my gloves, I think about my. About whoever I'm going to in their jersey numbers. I said, damn, this dude. This dude's impressive, you know? And we don't get a chance to talk to players. Like, we just watch film and just whatever, whatever. But if talking to somebody and learning about them helps with the process or whatever, man, Tyler Booker's a top five dude on the board if you get to talk to him. And that's just me listening in the press conference or whatever, we can get back to Jay. How to say his last name, Toya Toeya. We can get back.
- [411:58]
C
To jt. Can I propose an interesting, interesting exercise for.
- [412:01]
E
Us here?
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B
Let's exercise. Can I. Can I catch us up on the board real quick? Just because we're running real quickly here? Jack Nelson, offensive tackle, Wisconsin of the Falcons. Fadoni, who we talked about for Nebraska, tight end going to the Giants. Marcus Bryant, offensive tackle from Mizzou, going to the Patriots. Jags, take Jonah Monheim, offensive lineman from USC. And then the Raiders at 222. Take Cody Lindenberg, the linebacker from Minnesota. That's where we're at. Oh, they're talking about Land Larison on the.
- [412:33]
E
NFL Network. Oh.
- [412:34]
B
Lan Larrison. Is that where you're.
- [412:36]
C
Headed here? There is going to be a running back picked here at 222 by Seattle. That's.
- [412:41]
B
Fascinating.
- [412:41]
C
Though. 223. 223. Yeah, that's what I said. Can I. Can I propose.
- [412:46]
B
An.
- [412:46]
E
Exercise? Yeah. So, Jack Nelson. Yeah, go ahead. I will talk about these guys later.
- [412:53]
C
I watch. Let's go ahead and talk because Damian Martinez just.
- [412:55]
E
Got piggy. All right, let me throw out Nelson real quick and then we can just. Fuego rapido. Number two ranked prospect in Wisconsin, won the Joe Thomas Award. Is the state's top senior offensive lineman. His dad played o line at UW. Was drafted by the Phoenix Cardinals in the 89 draft. Brian scouted him. He knows him really well. He was there. Big frame, long arm, stiff lower body, not the most bendy hips. Struggles against the athletic Bama team when I was watching him. Works combo blocks well, can get movement in the run, gets to the second level. He's got some Mahler play temperament in the run game. Powerful player, but he can struggle to sustain and pass. Bro. Just inconsistent with the anchor Vodch Lombardi, but, you know, hey, can he consistently match up with better athletes every week? We'll see. But that's Jack Nelson, the offensive tackle from Wisconsin, Seventh rounder, going to your.
- [413:42]
C
Atlanta Falcon. Also, his dad was drafted by the.
- [413:45]
E
Phoenix Cardinals. Dude, are you.
- [413:46]
D
Kidding me?
- [413:48]
E
Holy crap. I don't know what his dad's.
- [413:50]
A
Name was. Nick.
- [413:51]
C
Drunk Man, I'm just screwing with you. Now, can I do this exercise? Can we. Can.
- [413:57]
B
We pump. Can I real quickly say Damian Martinez to Seattle? John just couldn't.
- [414:01]
D
Help himself. John. John told everybody, take another running. Listen, all you guys, get out of the room. I'm about to pick.
- [414:07]
B
A player. He took a run and.
- [414:08]
D
He took. And he took a good one. He took a really.
- [414:10]
B
Good one. All right, Go.
- [414:12]
C
Nick. Sorry. They love Texas boys in Seattle. They've shown that recently. Okay, so in the first round, obviously the debate was Tyler Booker and a defensive tackle. Let's say that they took the defensive tackle and they didn't get the offensive guard until the seventh round. Who would you have.
- [414:27]
D
Taken there. Oh.
- [414:29]
C
The guard. Let's just say you're going for a right guard and. Oh, Canra spot that they.
- [414:34]
E
Just took out of taking Candor from.
- [414:36]
A
Cincinnati and the right in this pick that.
- [414:38]
C
Just happened.
- [414:39]
A
Correct. Yeah. Is Connor Colby on.
- [414:41]
D
The board? Colby still on.
- [414:42]
C
The board? He's on.
- [414:43]
D
The board. I think I take. I've.
- [414:44]
C
Taken Colby. Joshua. Does Joshua Gray.
- [414:46]
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Tickle your. I like him as.
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An.
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Athlete. Yeah. I have him under Kendra.
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But I think Kendra is a.
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Better player. I would take.
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Either one. Better.
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Player.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Joe Huber. Huber would have been Colby then Huber.
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For.
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Me. Gotcha. And actually have Colby in the.
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Fourth round. Slam dunk for me, too. Yeah. Yeah. Brian. I got him in.
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The fourth. I have him in the.
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Fifth. Yeah. Where'd you.
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Have Kendra? I mean, I got candid.
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Five I had at the top of.
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The fifth. Yeah, I think either one of those. Those guys would.
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Be great. Candor in.
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The.
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Five. Yeah. Colby, Huber, Kandra would have been. It would have been a four and then.
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Two fives. And you've already taken a couple of guys here at guard. I mean, we've already talked about the depth and kind of what that message is to guys like TJ Bass and some of the guys on the back end of your offensive line. You're not going to take another one here with these next two picks, right? You're probably going to go somewhere else. Hunt some traits here at 239.
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And 247. Man, I don't know what the problem is. Some of these corners, you know.
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Which ones? Dots and like, Ryan.
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Is Alexander. Yeah, I.
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I just. I think it's.
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A character. Okay, let me, Let me. Let me get out of this then, because you're not going to let me take Hussy. You're not going to let me take.
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Muhammad, Right. I'd like him. What about Black from.
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Oklahoma State? Kobe Bryant from Kansas to.
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Dodson.
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Bryant. Alexander. Did I.
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Miss Alexander? Did he.
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Get taken. I.
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Like Alexander.
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He's.
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Not. Yeah. I mean, there's a guy with some length.
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Right there. Harris.
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From Iowa. Harris from Iowa. That's kind of a zone corner.
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Right.
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There. Yeah. So I. I don't know, man. I. I'm a little. I'm.
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A little. They gotta come out of this thing without a single.
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Wide receiver. I tell you what, though, Looks like it. Give.
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Me one. I mean, give me one.
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Of these running backs, though, too. Give me one of these.
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Running.
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Backs. Sure. You know, I know I've been talking about I don't think I would take Smith because I got blue, but I think I would look at. Like I said, look.
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At Allen. Look at your Rutgers kidnunguy.
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For sure. And Crosby Merritt.
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I know.
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Crosby Merritt. I know there might be some talk about, well, he didn't do this and he didn't do that, but that guy runs the.
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Ball tough. The undrafted guys are going to be really interesting because it's just a bunch of names here. And if all those names are like character guys, I guess, and I guess you don't want to gamble your draft picks on character guys. And that's where you. That's where you shoot the dice at them. At least they're talented.
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Character guys.
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Hudson, receiver. Yeah, I mean, Hudson. I think Hudson's my.
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Best player. Nick, what's wrong with Hudson's tape at.
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Central Florida? I just, I. I honestly didn't spend a lot of time on it because I watched two games and I was like, I think this is a udfa. And I put him in the.
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UDFA.
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Group. Okay. So I'd just be completely honest.
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With.
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You. Okay. I thought he found ways to get open, Brian. I thought he had some pretty good yak ability to him. I thought he made some really good catches, even if the pass wasn't great. He adjusted well. I think he found the end zone pretty cool. I was a. I was a fan.
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Of Hudson. He was a super productive player. He had at least one catch in 35 straight games. The frame I like. You can hit the home run ball. He can run slants, catch in traffic, doesn't shy away from contact. I think he can stack the corners down the sideline. He can work back to the football, accelerates off the line, gets a good release. I. I liked him, I guess, more than. Than others did. I. The league obviously felt different.
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About him. Yeah, I'm with you on that myself. I think you guys got him. I mean, like I say, Nick, I was interested to see. I. I wished. I think I went to the. I think I leaned more this way than.
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I.
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Did. Yeah. Towards your direction. But I was just curious.
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About that. And then Nick Nash is just super productive. I mean, triple crown winner. I get it was at San Jose State. Still. I mean, that guy, when we saw the Shrine bowl, was probably the best.
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Receiver there. Yeah. I still got Tez Johnson a little higher. My bad. Kyle.
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Go ahead. Keaton Crawford goes off the board, 225 to.
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The Cardinals. Okay. Something's wrong.
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With Castro. Yeah. Another safety. He was somebody who transferred from Texas to Nevada And I had heard Dallas had kind of taken some looks.
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At Tyler. Texas.
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Baby. Yeah. A little beast. Texas. He goes 225 to the Cardinals. I actually mocked him with the next pick to Dallas as a. Trying to hunt some.
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Traits there. I have Castro as my top udfa. I. I thought he gave. I thought he gave up way too much in coverage to be a pick. I think he's solid downhill. He can kind of command the intermediate range and pass defense. But I. I thought, like, once guys get over the top of him and it's. It can become.
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A problem. Yeah. Teams got. For me, put him on teams.
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And He's. And he's 24 and a half. He's. He's going to be an.
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Older.
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Player. Yeah. Irene wants to know on Twitter if. If Jay Toya has any family that has been in the league at any point down.
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The line. Actually, I actually have info.
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On that.
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Do you?
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Yeah.
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On. Yeah. He's got a cousin, he's got a brother. We got a.
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Couple brothers. I'll tell you. Doing some.
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Serious research.
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Yeah, man. Don't let anybody ever tell you you shouldn't be on the.
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Draft show. Appreciate.
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You, Brian. That means a lot coming from.
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You, Brian. Attention to detail. Pay attention the way.
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You.
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Do. Listen. It's tough. That was a tough moment for your boy.
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Over here. Let's talk.
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To him. I felt bad calling.
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You out. Yeah. How about Jade Toya? On the line are newest Dallas Cowboy. Jake, congratulations on the selection. What's going through your head.
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Right now? Thank you so much, man. I'm just blessed. Just blessed, man. It's a dream.
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Come true. How much family do you have in attendance? I mean, it sounded like a pretty big roar whenever the phone call.
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Was answered. Yeah, I just got my.
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Family here. Seems like you guys were on top of it as always. Now, tell us what you bring to the table. I mean, we watched the film. We've taken a look at at you throughout. I mean, you bring a lot of mentality to that.
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Defensive front. Yeah, exactly, man. Like, exactly what you said. Whatever that film shows, that's what I'm gonna bring. I'm bringing that nastiness. You know, it's like I play with a lot of violence, and that's what I'm gonna bring to.
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The.
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Table. Dude. Yeah. Your tape's unbelievable. You got the rugby background, a bunch of family members that are also playing. How does the rugby background help when it comes to playing.
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In football? Honestly, I think it is everything from, you know, hitting to not being scared of contact. And just athleticism.
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And all. And it definitely shows on your film as well. Now, when you've, you've gone through this process, what's it been like having those conversations with.
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The Cowboys? Well, I didn't really have contact with the Cowboys since the combine and my pro day, and that was.
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About it. AJ There's a UCLA defensive tackle on this roster and OSA Digizua. I'm curious if you have any relationship with him and how excited you are to work next.
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To him. I know who he is. I'm, I'm, I'm. I think. I mean, I hope he knows who I am. I've met him a few times. I used to love, but he was already gone when, when I came in. But man, hell of a player. He signed a giant contract. Well deserved, man. I just can't wait to learn.
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From him. How excited are you to be at your rookie minicamp? Is going to be an Oxnard? You get to be right down the street. You get to have all that family there in attendance. Are you excited.
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For that? Yes, sir, man. Really excited. I'm.
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Blessed, man. One more thing for you. You open up opportunities for others so much and watching your. Your tape, you open up opportunities for Schlesinger, Medrano, even some of the pass rushers. Ola Dejo to being able to open up things. That's unselfish. And why, why is that such a big part of your game? And do you, do you still get gratification when you pull a guy out of a lane and then you see one of your teammates laying.
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A hat? I mean, yeah, that's just what this sports all about. It's a team sport all around. So, you know, I'm a big team guy. Whatever I can do to help the team win, you know, I'm all for whether that's, you know, four guys on me. I don't make a play, whatever it is, I'm ready to help the.
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Team win. All right, Jason, can we teach the entire defensive front the haka and make sure we do this every.
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Pre game? I mean, I'm not a haka specialist. You know, that's more like Myron's. You know, I'm Tongan, so I'm not really a haka specialist, but I think we.
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Can try. We can try. Well, we appreciate you taking some time. Congratulations on, on making it to this point. And we can't wait to see you here.
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In Frisco. Appreciate that, man.
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Thank you. All right, J. Toy joining us here on.
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The camera. If your brother's A rugby player in New Howard. Are.
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You not. It doesn't mean he knows how.
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To do. I get. Okay, well, if you're down, we need.
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Your brother.
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We need. We need.
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Your brother.
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We need.
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That's a. He's killing you. That's.
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A bad. I.
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Care you. Can we.
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Dump that? I dare you to walk up.
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To him. I will. I'll.
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Do it. And I'll just break down and start doing. Is.
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That racist? I've. No, not at all. You does it before.
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Every game. That's racist how. That's.
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Racist, bro. I'm.
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Talking, bro. They all the same. They. They all do that.
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Little dance. Hey, if you've got the rugby background and you're playing rugby in New Zealand, that.
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Is play. Hey, Jay, why don't you do that old dance y' all do? Show me that dance y' all do. I got to.
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Step out.
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I'm serious. What's that thing y' all do? The.
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Hot do? That was not a good. That was not good. That was a bad moment for me. I'm just.
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Going to. I'm.
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Going to. I'm going to leak on out.
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Of here. I swear. I. I'd love for you to walk right up in front of it and.
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Start. Break.
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Eyes.
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Open. Tongue. Hey, you said you don't know it. I've been.
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Practicing, baby. Let's go. You ready.
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To teach? I'm.
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A specialist. I'm that specialist. I got.
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It down. Step.
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Aside, Jay. His representation is going to.
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Destroy us.
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You are. He already hates the.
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Media here. Sounds like he hates.
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The media. He.
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Hates it. I thought that that.
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Was fair. They about to cancel.
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Your ass. I'm so sorry if that offended anybody, buddy. I. That was not.
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My intentions. Oh, yes.
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It was. All right, do the move that y' all do. Do that. Do that move that y' all do.
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All right. Trying to reel it back.
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With your eyes big and do.
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That move. Hey, Brashard Smith went to the.
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Chiefs, guys.
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C
What? Steelers.
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Come on. Steelers take Carson Bruner, linebacker from Washington. The 49ers take Curtis Ward, quarterback from Indiana. Another seventh round quarterback for San Francisco going out to San Fran. And then the. Yeah, the. The Kansas City Chiefs just took Prashard Smith, SMU running back. As I'm wiping tears.
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Away from. They about to hand us a note. Boy.
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This is. This.
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Is over. Cut.
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It off. This has been great. I've loved the last.
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B
Three years. It.
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Really has. It's been. It's been.
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D
An honor. Would you do us favor? Hand in your pin off your.
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C
Bell Absolutely. You're turning.
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Your badge. Yeah. Here, I got you. Guys.
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This is. It's.
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Been fun. I'm just gonna go cry in.
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The corner. What are the chances that might be G bag of.
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The day? It's either that or what I said.
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Last night. I hope it's one of.
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Those two. No, it's got to.
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Be that. I hope we never hear it again. I.
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A
Hope it's. I gotta see.
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A replay. I hope.
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It'S Nick. I gotta see the replay of Zach's face when he just said I. I mean, I don't really know that dance. I.
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Don'T really. I think I was just.
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Like, oh, want to get away when he asked it. When he said he wasn't talking, I was like, oh, this is not going to.
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Go good. Well, no, he's. He said he is talking, but I guess I really did think the hawk was. I guess.
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It'S Polynesian. Yeah, I guess that's.
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A
My fault. Zach, just stop, man. Because. Because you might say the.
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B
Wrong just. Yeah, we're going to stop right there.
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A
Oh, goodness. That's content.
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B
Right there. This is so.
- [426:16]
E
Curtis Rourke. Great job to the.
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D
49Ers. Indiana. You.
- [426:20]
E
Think he's. He's gonna leave the Ners out with the Haka boys in Indiana? Maybe he's gonna take Brock.
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P's gig. Dante Kent goes 229 Central.
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A
Michigan corner.
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B
Oh, man. Let's shout out some of these that are still watching, some of these fans online that.
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D
Are still. We've lost our all the.
- [426:46]
A
Time people didn't cut the damn.
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Thing.
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Off. You. I. I got some text up from the fan. Text. 469 said you were extra white with that question for another 469 said, I didn't know.
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The difference. I thought it was a.
- [426:59]
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Good question. The 832 said, It's a little racist, homie. It's definitely coming from ignorance rather than purposeful.
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Negative views. Tony Buzz finna.
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Come get. And another 469 said, Nice job fighting.
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Through it. Oh, good.
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Job.
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B
Man. Yeah. Justin from Alaska watching shout.
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Out. Justin.
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Thanks, Justin. Canyon, Texas. We got Craig out there.
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In Canyon.
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What's up? Sergeant Fox from Massachusetts. Felipe from Portugal out there watching across the pond. Mooresville, North Carolina, in the house. Chris Evans there. Who else here? Victoria, Canada. Jordan from Victoria, Canada.
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Gilbert, Arizona.
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Mike watching. Thank.
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You, guys. Yeah, this is.
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Really.
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Cool. Yeah. Champ from Grand.
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A
Island, Nebraska. It's in the chat. This on.
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B
YouTube chat. It's on Twitter that I'm reading from. I don't. I don't have the what up.
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C
Twitter folk. Everybody that's sticking around with us, this is slate into day three. Seriously, we appreciate it. We put in a lot of work, but we know it's for this, this, this time when it's the late grind of day three and we're just operating off exhaustion and. And potentially alternative views from Zach Wolchuk. No, but I think I'm messing with you now. But seriously, thank you to the fans. I mean, this is my second year on the.
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Draft show. And New Zealand All Blacks, right? His brother plays rugby in New Zealand All Black. Gosh.
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C
Dang.
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It. What? That's what they're called, New Zealand.
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All Blacks. They're.
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World famous.
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World famous. They're.
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Top notch. That part.
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We understand. Trying to have a sentimental moment with the.
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Fans, guys. Oh, talking.
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About rug.
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I know. I love everybody that's watching. I'm. This will be my last time ever on.
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A microphone. And don't. Don't.
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Do.
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That. Reed.
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I'm out. Jess, going full Bobby from.
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The uk. Yeah, Appreciate it, Jess. Thanks for.
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B
Tuning in. Boston. John up there in Boston. Yeah, I saw one.
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D
From Ireland. Yeah, thank you.
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For that. Virginia, I'm trying to find.
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A
Delaware.
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B
Fresno, just. Yeah, all over the place. This is awesome. Really.
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Cool.
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Stuff. Wow. From Bosnia, Ed.
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A
That's awesome.
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Appreciate it. Really cool. Great.
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D
Job.
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Everybody. That. Those that have tuned in and stuck with us through all.
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C
These picks. At this point, we got two picks left. They are both approaching in some instance. We got. What is that? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. About 10 picks away at this point. Are you just trying to stab at the best traits? Traits, Are you going Traits, are you going production? Because teams, I think, vary when it comes to this part of the draft because there's guys who have production but don't have like the size or the measurables or the speed or whatever. And then on the flip side, there's guys that have the traits, the size, the speed, but don't have the production. So, like, which. Which side would you.
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Fall under? I think the Cowboys are more a production team than they're a traits.
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Team.
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D
Yeah. Really? Yeah, I.
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A
Think so. I think they like.
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C
Trace more. Well, you think about it from like Jalen Brooks perspective. Had no production coming out of.
- [429:57]
D
South Carolina. Yeah, the special team. Well, late in the draft, you're right about that. I kind of felt like that they. They were kind of a team that, you know, you're productive players. But maybe I'm wrong about that. I always. I don't know. I don't know. Why? I thought that but I just kind of late. I've always been a guy that looks.
- [430:13]
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At traits. It's five o' clock and we've been up.
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Early. Brian.
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No, no. I always look at, I always. I'm one of those guys that always, you know, I thought there was hey, guy can run fast, guy's tall, guy catches ball. Well guy, you know all that kind.
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Of stuff.
- [430:25]
A
Oh crap. This is man, look at Derek. Derek just walked by down.
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You'Re fired stare and then he smiled as he walked away. So we're, we're good I think you know, got about an.
- [430:39]
C
Hour left. He's got a terrifying.
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E
Evil stare. Yeah.
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D
He does. Joking.
- [430:43]
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Or not. I think I just peed.
- [430:44]
A
A little. We was doing, we was doing draft 101 or whatever, right. And he's in the back of the room with a, with an evil light over him just staring us down and I'm like damn.
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D
The dawn.
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A
Yeah, yeah. I can't even make a mistake up in here. Especially me because I.
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D
Don'T work. Hey, did I see that Dan Jackson. Dan Jackson.
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Your safety. Oh, what do.
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B
You say? Safety Georgia. Talk about Dan Jackson Lions.
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At 2:30. Well, Dan Jackson Jackson's just a little bit better than I. You know I think Nick was giving him credit for he ran a pretty good 40 time but I you know look, if you're a walk on at Georgia and you earn yourself a starting spot. I know he was a one year starter but he's got the versatility. I was just really, really impressed. The instincts show for me overall I think the coverage skills are there. He's a guy that can drive on the ball. I think he can hit. He's really, really good. Good against screens. He's a guy that is a phenomenal teammate. From everything I read coming out of Georgia obviously the measurables they're not exactly what you want and you can't see at times like he will be a little bit slow getting to his spot and he's going to be a little bit older as a rookie but overall I was a fan of his game. Like if you were looking for a day three safety I think Dan Jackson was a guy you could have taken a.
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Flyer on. We our guy just.
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Got.
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Picked. Quinn. He did Quinn.
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Yours man. I wonder if Cowboys were upset.
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About this. It is on the NFL dot com. Oh okay. Yeah. It says Quinn years went to.
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The Dolphins. That's a good fit for.
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Quinn overall.
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Excuse me. It is a good fit and it's an opportunity. If Tua you know he's had some injury concerns especially lately in his career. That's an opportunity for Quinn to potentially step in and be with those kinds of weapons in Miami. That's a really good spot for him under Mike McDaniels. That's a really good spot for Quinn Ewers. I'm happy he ended up laying.
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In there. Good.
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For Quinn. Just for.
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The kid. Brashard Smith to Kansas City is some nonsense.
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Though, right? You want to talk.
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About it? Yeah.
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We should. They like their SMU.
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Players there. He's a fantastic pass catching, running. He's probably more of a receiver playing running back right now. He's probably got versatility to do a little, do a little bit of both. He'll, he'll run routes out the backfield, he'll line up wide and do wide receiver stuff and, and they'll, they'll motion them and shift him. But I also think he's a, he's a pretty good runner if you just hand the ball to him, you know. Got some pretty decent size to him. I think he, he finishes run once again. We got another not, not blocking running back. So you know, you gotta think about which third downs you're using them on. But as a, as a pass catching weapon on that team. Give me a break, man. Give me.
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A break. Yeah, I mean some, some really good names here. Brashard Smith, SMU228 to the CH. Chiefs, Steelers at 229. Take Dante Kent corner from Central Michigan, Dan Jackson safety from Georgia. 230 to the Lions, Dolphins 231. Quarterback Quinn Ewers finally off the board. Off of Texas or out of Texas. And then Hunter Waller, safety from Wisconsin. Colts at 2:32. Closing in on the Cowboys pick. We are now eight selections away. No. 7, seven selections away as the Bears are on the clock. Clock at 2:33. What are you thinking here for Dallas? I mean, who are some of your better names available? Is this the point where you completely ditch need or do you still try and add some bodies to.
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Those positions? I'm just looking for the best player on the board, if this is me. And how far does this board stretch? And typically teams have a little bit of fourth round grades, a lot of fifth round grades still available at this point. It's just based on how different teams value different players. And there's a discussion being had right now. Schottenheimer's the one manufacturing that. He's, he's speaking for somebody. So you know, do they go ahead and take a. Take A stab at a receiver here, you know, is it. Is it a guy like Trayshawn Holden who has experience with Junior Adams as wide receivers coach? We talked about that a little bit earlier in the show. Could it be an Andrew Armstrong, an Arkansas guy that Jerry certainly knows quite a bit about? Zach. Yeah. And then you also have Nick Nash. I mean, we've talked about him many times as a Triple crown winner. I just don't know if he has the speed for this offense. I think this offense is going to be valuing that speed element. That's why I thought if they missed on Tetterola McMillan in the first round, I figured Dante Thornton would have been a really high target for them. But he went earlier than I think anyone projected, so we didn't even have to get the chance to talk about that. So I wonder if receivers may be an option here. But regardless, it'd be kind of a flyer at this point. It's a flyer at any spot. I don't know if there's any like big value left is there in.
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Yalls eyes. I mean, I think Logan Brown would be value from Kansas. I did have Kobe Hudson really high. I had him as my, as a fourth round player. He's 105 on my stack. I mean, I know Nick, you had him as a UDFA guy. We just saw the player differently. Nick Nash, I would absolutely take a flyer on Fidel Diggs, I think would be a nice player from Syracuse. That was super.
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Super productive. I had a sixth on.
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Logan Brown. I know the testing wasn't very good, but you talk about speed in the offense and route running. Could you look at Tez Johnson? Oh, Kyle manon guy at 233 there he goes to the Bears.
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That's unfortunate. I was kind of hoping I'd like DJ Giddens. I'm shocked that he's still.
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There and now DJ Giddens hadn't got drafted. Yeah.
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He has. Yeah.
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He did. Where. Where did he go? Because I missed him early.
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Or La Quint Allen's still.
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Out there.
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I like. I know Brian likes.
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The clock. I like him.
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A lot. Both of my Kansas corners are here.
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Colts.
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D.J. giddins. He went to.
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The Colts. Kobe.
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And Mellow. When did Manheim get drafted? Ucla.
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The usc?
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Oh, yeah. It was a little.
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Bit earlier.
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Six round. Yeah. At the very end of.
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The six. On the very end of the six. Okay, thank you.
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Very much. Also too, if you want an edge that's a little bigger, that's maybe a rundown guy, this is a perfect opportunity. To get IV Baron Joiner or Baddie or Oban. You know, there's a lot. Yeah, there's a.
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Lot of. Manheim was at 221 Brian in.
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The.
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Sun. Okay. He went to.
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The.
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Jags. Okay. What about Andrew Armstrong from Arkansas if you want a big body, possession type of receiver? Yeah, I wouldn't mind him.
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Dallas guy. I just. Is this.
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A bit. No, he just said.
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Yeah, man. I've been just getting inundated with.
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Hawk up. Hey, it took the pressure.
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Off his Twitter going crazy.
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Right now. You're just, like, looking at. Looking at.
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The screen. I'm just. I just staring at.
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The Hawker. How many of those same, like, gifs have you gotten with the.
- [437:01]
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Same one? Honestly, they've all been pretty different.
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Oh, okay.
- [437:04]
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That's good. We're getting a lot of variety. And then Dan Rogers shout out.
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To you. Yeah, I see.
- [437:09]
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That. The. The V clip with his eyes.
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Is incredible. Show y. What's going on, man?
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Look at. Turn.
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It around. It's.
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So good. We gotta.
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We got. I need to.
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Save that. Let me. Let me.
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Look at.
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That's good. Let me go to beam and can y' all get that back.
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There? Yeah. Yup, yup. Go to. Go to.
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My camera. I gotta.
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Go to. No, no, no, no.
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No.
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No. Like. Like, beam. Take.
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My camera. Oh.
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Yeah, yeah. And there we go. Oh, there.
- [437:35]
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It is. That's a good one. I'm befuddled at the All Blacks and do that little dance y' all do. I was. I was. I was befuddled. But it's all good, man. We almost.
- [437:44]
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Done, man. Came from a.
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Good place.
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Win home. We cannot bring this back up because I will.
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Cry again. Are.
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You crazy? Let's never bring it back. Let's just pretend that it never happened and we are just.
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C
Moving on. Let's say you're taking a running back here. Who are.
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You taking? I.
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Like Allen. I just want to pretend DJ Giddens is still available, even if he's not. Hey, that's probably. I think la Quinn Allen is probably my best running back left. Yeah. And then Jakory.
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Crosby, Merritt. My best running back available is Bentley, but I. I'm not taking him. He's Jade on blue or Jaden Blue. Kind of a.
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Poor man's. My guy's Allen on my board. That's a. That's a fourth round grade on.
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My board.
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C
Yeah, maybe. Is it time to pitch you guys on Land.
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Larson again? I would.
- [438:30]
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Be down. Yeah, I'm down for.
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That, man. I. I'd also Consider Phil Mafa here from Clemson. Big bodied running back, 246 foot. I would, I would think.
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About.
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That. Yeah. Has Holland Pierce or Issa Pole.
- [438:44]
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Being drafted? I would much rather go pole.
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Than Pierce. Neither one of those two, neither half.
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Pole pole. I think they both do things differently. They both have great size but Poe is the, is the athlete and he has some pretty good movement. Maybe not all the technique but Pierce seems to use his length when he's in trouble. He's a little better in the run game than Po Leh but he's slow footed a bit. But I mean we just talking about undrafted tackles at this point. Just I imagine that some, that most of these guys that we're high on are not going to get drafted. I mean you know just they're going to keep drafting players that I wouldn't think get, get drafted or a punter or like a long snapper is probably going to come off the board soon. But some of these names that we like Woolchuck mentioned Ivy earlier. I think Jared Ivy can play. I think he's a dude that brings some value but he hasn't been drafted up to this point. So in my mind I don't think he's get drafted. Like there's something that's making these guys not get drafted. Mellow Dotson can play. It's not the film that's keeping him from being drafted. Or Tez Johnson can play. It's not his film that's keeping.
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It from. He just.
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Got drafted.
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Who's that?
- [439:46]
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Tez Johnson? Yeah. Oh wow. Tampa Bay took him like 230. Tampa Bays had themselves a heck of.
- [439:52]
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A draft. They're going to have to cut one of.
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These receivers. They.
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Love themselves. Okay let's, let's. If you're carrying five receivers there's already six that are on on the team that are 53 men calibrated were worthy Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Jalen McMillan, Emeka Igbuka, Tez Johnson and Sterling Shepard. Like one of those guys is getting left out. If I could talk about Tess Johnson here for a.
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Little bit. Sure. Give me.
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His due. Obviously had his. He, he had a rough upbringing and he was growing up in, in the projects of Penson Valley or Penton, Alabama and the family of Bo Knicks took him in high school and he is somebody that. But he calls Bo Nicks a brother to him. Whenever he was going through the draft process he referred to him as his brother Bo. We actually got to interview him in Mobile on right here on the draft show. You can Go back and watch that interview. It's really cool. But he's a Troy transfer and whenever he got to Oregon, obviously Bo Nicks campaigned for him to be there. He's a production machine and this is a guy that I think maybe people expected to go early. Day three. Earlier in the process, before Mobile, there was a couple concerning things that came out, I think from his, his experience in Mobile. It was, you know, his release package was all over the place. He was getting a little bit bodied by some more physical, physical DBs. And then he tested at the combine and it was, it was not great at 451 as a slot only guy. So I think there's concerns there. But this is. This guy works his tail off. He's a high character guy and I think he's going to have value in the NFL. He just needs to be able to find a way onto the field in.
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Some way. And by the way, Tez Johnson followed by Laquin Allen, running back from Syracuse, off the board at 236 for the Jags. Yeah, I love the story. We talked to him at Mobile like you talked about and I thought, man, the way he outlined that and it was one of the coolest draft interviews we've ever been a part of was really, really cool for Tez Johnson and that relationship he had with Bo Nix was.
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C
Just incredible. We're having a pretty intense conversation here with Jerry Jones Jr. In the.
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War room. Talking with Jerry, Jerry to.
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Jerry seems pretty light hearted in there. There's not many bodies left. You got Steven Jones and then John, Stephen Jones, Mitchell. Point is there at the other end of.
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The table.
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The scouts. Yeah, they're probably getting, they're probably getting ready for this free agency period is what they're doing. They're.
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Getting organized. All those guys that left the building are probably making phone.
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Calls, right? Yeah, they're starting to recruit some kids and get, and get ahead of this a little bit if they can. But Stephen and Adam and Todd Williams, those guys will be highly organized to go after. And like I said, the first group of guys they're going to go after will be the guys that are on their board that still have draftable grades. So that, that's when you start to see guys in Dallas again. Will throw a lot of money at these picks or these guys to try and get them in.
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Free agency. Now we're at the packers at 237, followed by the Seahawks at 238. Then it's the Cowboys at 239. If you were, let's Just play the undrafted free agent game for a little bit here. If you had to take a look at your board and the guys that are least likely to make. Make it to the.
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UDFA stage. That's exactly what I'm.
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Thinking about. Where are you going to try and start plucking players? Because that's what you've got to figure out. You've.
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D
Got two. You got to figure out. You've got to figure out who the highest. Who are the highest graded players on their board. Yeah, that, that's what you gotta, you gotta think. And though that's where you start first is okay, who, you know, if we're trying to kind of guess their board here, but who would you think would be their highest? And you know, and it's really regardless.
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Of position. Alexander from lsu maybe. Yeah, you know, he's all about like, like metrics and measurables. Like he, you.
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Know, he'll. I would.
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C
Love that. How would y' all feel about Isaiah Bond? I think you would definitely be taking some risk factor. They have made a pick. The pick.
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B
Is in. But I, at this.
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Point, absolutely.
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B
Why not? Are we going to see another hook em Horns if that's the case. Looks like this is a Jerry Jr. Pick just.
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Because of. Yeah, he was right in.
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The middle of all.
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Of it. And the first person that Brian Schottenheim embraced was Jerry Jr. Do you guys.
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Like Jake? Bring Stu.
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Bringing Stu. Michael Robinson goes to the Packers. Tulane defensive back. I liked him out of Tulane, but Seahawks up next and then it's.
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The Cowboys. We got Derek Foster, Matt Eber Flutes right there. But Derek Foster is getting all the daps. So we look in running back here. Running back will make a lot of sense because there's going to be a heavy market for these UDFA.
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Running.
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Backs.
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C
So. Yeah. Now, okay, who's a, who's a high character guy here that, that we're looking at or early down big back. I mean you could look at Jacoin and Jackson's a guy that they brought in during.
- [444:39]
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The process.
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C
Corey Keiner. Corey Kiner's.
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Another down. That'd be a good.
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Good pick. I'm still looking at Phil Mafa.
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From Clemson. Phil Maf is a.
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Big boy. I'm gonna keep saying Crosky Merit. That's.
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My guy. Crosby Merritt would be on.
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My board. Crosby Merritt's the highest ranked running back. I've got left.
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D
Rocket Sanders. Rocket Sanders would be next. And then Yarns from Delaware. Those, those are my last.
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Three because running back in his last round has Kind of gotten picked off.
- [445:04]
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A little. I do like Jaquinden Jackson, but I'm also just. He's a local kid so I'm rooting.
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B
For him. Duncan Villa, quarterback. That trans or that that made the switch to quarter or running back. He can run the football though. Little injury history there. Kind of interesting to think. So if we're thinking.
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Running back. Andrew Henry, New Mexico. Weren't they linked.
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To him?
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C
Land Laris? I don't think they'd take him. I don't think. Yeah, I don't think he's a draft pick but yeah, he was. He was a 30 or not a 30. He was a local.
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B
Gay guy. If this is Land Larison, I think I'm just going to let Nick do the rest of.
- [445:37]
E
The show. If it's Land Larson, they.
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B
Got him. Just get him. Get it taken.
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A
Care of. He gets Larson and Donovan is a Rockley in the.
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B
Same draft. Man shouts out to big time. Hey, you got. Oh, Ricky White iii. UNLV goes.
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C
To Seattle. Prior.
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E
Receivers, man. Seattle's been on a little wide.
- [445:52]
C
Receiver run. They're just going to throw a million slots out on the field and see.
- [445:56]
B
What happens. Yeah, they'll figure it out one.
- [445:58]
A
Day, right? Let them just fight it all out. I don't hate that. Just throw darts at guys and let them. Because you're going to like miss on a lot of these picks anyway. Yeah, just get a bunch of dudes that's in a group and let them fight.
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B
It out. That's kind of what some of these other teams have been doing. Philly. Yeah, Raiders got a bunch of Buffaloes, Ravens, Ravens, Raiders. Yeah. See what happens between those. But we have seen the pick being turned in. This is at 2:39. The Cowboys will turn around. They'll pick again very, very soon at 2:47. So it'll be a quick conversation on the phone and then it's right back to work for the Cowboys in what could possibly be their final selection of the 2025 NFL Draft. Pick is in on the TV stream. We're just waiting for the name to pop. Pop up and officially be it. All right, final guest from everybody. Just while we're killing some time here.
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Crosby, marriage. My, my.
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Best guy. So I'm gonna go with him. Zach.
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Let'S go. Corey Kiner. Corey Kiner, running back.
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B
From Cincy. Okay.
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D
That'S.
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B
Interesting. Yeah. Oh, running back.
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E
Phil Mafa. Well, hey, you know you wanted yourself a good compliment. Big bodied running back Phil Mafa is.
- [447:05]
B
That guy. Yeah, yeah. Third team, all acc when you brought it up earlier, you needed a compliment for Jaden Blue. That was the first name I went to on my board and, and he was a formal visit at the combine. They had some connections with him. Specifically had over 2,800 yards during his time with the Clemson Tigers. I, I like this pick. You're trying to add some running back depth and you needed something different than what you have on your roster. Go with the 6 foot 1 running back with some weight to him as well. Big, strong, physical running back. You're going to see him in these clips. I mean, he looks like he could be a tight end running the football at times. I mean, he's, he's fun to, to watch, but he can break away from you a little bit.
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As well. Yeah. Native of the Ivory coast, so he's an IPP qualifier at the very least. Over 2,000 yards in his final two seasons at Clemson. He's really productive between the tackles. He's decisive and he gets through. He finds the holes. He's a little stiff in the open field and there's not a ton of athleticism, even though you see him breaking out into the open field. But look who he's playing. There's a, there's no value on passing downs here, but I think he's going to bring a ton of special teams value. This team has been searching for that personal protector and I think this guy could definitely be that guy, but we'll see. I think there's going to be some good special teams value, but if you're looking for early down production, I think he has the potential there. It's going to be a battle. I think he could compete for early down opportunities in this running game. I mean, this, this running back competition is going to be very fascinating. I think you could look at three players, potentially four on this roster that could be the starting running back. Week one now and you're throwing competition. You hope you get another running back in UDFA to add to that room and just up the competition in that room. They're going to need a guy. They're going to need a guy right there and it's going to be fascinating.
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A
To watch. So there's Mafu Blue, Williams and who, who's the.
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C
Fourth possible? I was, I was thinking Sanders. Just because they are high on him. It's. I don't, I don't believe that. But they are high on him. That.
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A
Was me. I don't know, man. But yeah, shouts out to him. We'll see.
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E
We'll see. Yeah, he's a bulldozer. I mean, he's straight between the tackles. Absolutely. I mean, the, the build is, is incredible. He doesn't fumble. I mean, he's kind of the opposite of what you had when it comes to ball security issues. But, but I think he didn't, he have, he did get hurt and banged up last year a.
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B
Little bit. He missed a little bit of time. No, he, he played all 14 games for Clemson.
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E
In 24. I thought he had a shoulder maybe, maybe it was the.
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C
Year before. Yeah, yeah, he had a shoulder injury in 24 that required.
- [449:31]
B
Surgery, postseason. That's what it was. So I didn't post any time for it, but there.
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E
You go. Hey, that's nothing wrong with that.
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B
Pick, man. Yeah, you get your guy. Remember, we're taking stats the, the market, and the market is going to have a lot of those running backs. I like the way you.
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C
Put that. Yeah. And it's, it's a productive guy from a value program. I, I don't, this is, it's, it's a good value pick. I understand why, why you make this pick even with some of the others that are on the board, but, you know, we'll see this a guy just ups the competition in the.
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Physicality department. Committee, Committee.
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D
Committee, man. I, I, I'll say this though, and I appreciate what everybody's saying about this kid, but I think Crosky merits a better player than this guy. Just you watch the finish and stuff like that. And Krosky, Merritt has had his share. He might, maybe there's a character guy here, I don't know. But you know, New Mexico, Arizona, the transfer stuff, not having, you know, it seems like everybody in North America gets a transfer but this kid, but you watch him, if you study him at New Mexico, he played mainly as, like in a pistol formation. He's really good patience as a runner. He had some brain, some running lanes in those games. He's downhill. He's not going to give you a lot of elusive cuts, maybe very similar to this guy, but he's going to run through tacklers, he's going to blow defenders up. He tends to build up speed as he goes. He hits the hole with some authority and when the gaps open, getting the second level, you know, I mean, there's, there's a lot to like about receiver out of the backfield. You guys were kind of saying this guy's not going to give you much. Crosby Merrick can catch the football and there's some awareness with him with some blitz pickup and where he needs to be. I love his physical style. I just don't think he's very creative with the ball. But maybe this guy here, he looks very similar. Not being totally creative with the ball.
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C
Either. Yeah. I hate to bring this question, but does this threaten Hunter Lipke's.
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E
Roster spot? It absolutely could. And it goes back to what we were talking about with the sponsor. I mean, the special teams, though Lipke does add a lot of.
- [451:23]
D
Value there. Well, doesn't Hunter Lipke show the ability now to kind of go in and dig people out and play emotion? Is this guy that type of guy? I'm asking this question. This guy escaped me if I didn't. Did not evaluate this guy. But does he have that ability? Have you seen him play as a Wham Guy or go inside and dig guys out? If you're telling me that he doesn't catch the ball all that well, then I'm also thinking, well, Hunter Lipke can do that. That Hunter, you know, I, I would.
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Say no. Well, and we're about to get him on the phone here, too, so we can ask him about that kind of the pass protection element and, and what he could do from a. A special teams side.
- [452:02]
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Of things. You guys can take that. I'm gonna sit this.
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B
One out. Just, just bringing up Crosky merit one more time. Do you think it's as simple as he just played the one game at Arizona?
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D
I, I. There's some. There's something clearly there. Whether it's a character thing, whether it's a medical thing, there's. There's something not. I know Bobby Belts listening right now, and he'll text me and tell me it's something about him, but I just think, like, there's maybe very similar with the.
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B
Running styles. Yeah. On the phone now, the newest Dallas Cowboy, Phil Mafa, the running back from Clemson. Phil, congratulations on hearing your name called. Welcome to the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, it feels like a surreal moment. Moment for everybody. What's going through.
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Your head? You know, I'm excited, you know, just to be a part of this organization and for them to take a chance on me. You know, I'm excited and ready to go to get.
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D
To.
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Work. No. They had conversations with you at the NFL combine. What were those conversations like? And what stood out to you about.
- [453:01]
A
The organization? You know, to me, what stood out first? You know, just knowing it's America's team. Just, you know, the presence that they have as a team and the program is what stood out to me. And just having those conversations, just talking about the Type of people that they like to draft, you know, the type of people that they want to represent their brand and also the type of people that they want to represent.
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The culture. Hey, Phil, congrats on being drafted. As that seventh round turned about, what were kind of your emotions? You know, were you. Were you having some doubt or did you. Did you keep belief the whole time? What were you feeling? And then when you got that phone call, how was the relief.
- [453:42]
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Of it? Yeah, I was having some doubt for sure. You know, just having that in the back of my head of going undrafted, just preparing for that. But, you know, it's just for the Cowboys to be. To be able to take a chance on me at the last minute, you know, it meant a lot to me and, you know, I feel like. So it's a.
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B
Perfect.
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C
Place. Yeah. And you, you went to high school at Grace in A7A power in Georgia, you went to Clemson, you've been at these big time programs. Coming to a franchise like the Dallas Cowboys, how do you think you can use that experience to your advantage so this moment's not too big.
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A
For you? I can use that experience. Just, you know, all the things I went through in my football career and in my life, just applying that to the game, you know, that adversity that you have to go through as a player, through injuries, you know, personal life, just applying all my experiences and going all in into my craft and giving it my all for.
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C
The Cowboys. I love your inside zone ability, just being able to be decisive between the tackles. How would you describe your running style? At the end of.
- [454:46]
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The day? I would say I'm a powerful back who likes to make guys miss any way possible, whether it's running through them, jumping over them, juking them out. You know, I just love to play with physicality and, you know, I love to show others that I can also be nimble at the.
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C
Same time. What do you think people got wrong about your game during the draft process? If you were reading, you know, media analysts or anything like that, what do you think is a.
- [455:14]
A
Common misconception? I think the common misconception is that, you know, I'm just a big power back and, you know, I'm just that type of back. But, you know, I just feel like a lot of people missed, especially this past season, me having an injury early on in the season, you know, lingering on throughout the season. But, you know, just for the Cowboys to be able to believe in me, you know, gives me a lot of confidence to want to continue to put my best.
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Foot Forward. Phil, Coach Schadenheimer's wanted to to build a culture in have the right kind of people in the locker room. How would you describe yourself? Like, what are some of your interests? Maybe off.
- [455:55]
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The field. Off the field, I'm a pretty chill guy, you know, I love playing, doing Legos, love hanging out, learning the piano. Really hanging out with family. Love going outdoors in nature and just love people. I'm a.
- [456:13]
B
People person. I like it. The Legos and the piano, that's my type of combination. Well done, Phil. Congratulations. Can't wait to see you here in Dallas. We'll see you on the field very.
- [456:24]
C
Very soon.
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B
Anything else? All right, there he goes.
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D
Phil Mafa. I hate you, Nate you.
- [456:35]
B
So much. All right, the Cowboys are back to business. The Ravens are on the clock at 2:43 over the last three picks. Kaden Prather, wide receiver from Maryland goes to the the bills at 2:40. Broncos take Caleb Loner, tight end from Utah, Kanata Mumfield from Pittsburgh, wide receiver to the Rams at 2:42. Then it's Ravens, Lions, Commanders, Giants, Cowboys 2:47. So one more pick left out of this 20, 25 NFL draft class. They've already double dipped at running back. Maybe double dip, dip a corner. Yo, you want to take.
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E
Another one? Yeah.
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C
Why not? I'll take.
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D
A corner. I would take whatever the corner with traits, the corner with, with the length, the corner that you feel like can come in and compete. You know, there's been some corners that have been picked late that were, you know, missed out. But you know, there's. There's a good group of guys here. There's some names. Like I say, there's probably a couple of guys I know on my board. They're nickel type players, but they probably fall with outside the. What the Cowboys would do but with Dodson, Bryant, Alexander. I don't think that you can go wrong. Harris from Iowa, I don't think there's another guys that you can go wrong there. So I would try and help out that group and maybe with a guy that you might get a little.
- [457:53]
B
Lucky on. Where'd you have Garrett Dellinger? Dellinger from the.
- [457:59]
D
Guard? LSU. Yeah. He was not one of.
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B
My 235. Okay. He went to LSU and the Ravens just picked him. So I figured it was. Yeah, I figured it would be high on your board, but no, not at all fortunate. It's the first time they've ever gone away from.
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D
Your.
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E
Board. Yeah. Ever say, yeah, let's.
- [458:13]
D
Go Corey. At least they took an LSU guy they know Better, you know, considering that, you know, they got like guys like Ozzy Newsom and stuff in that building. It's an Alabama guy, so.
- [458:21]
B
But yeah. All right, so Lions, Commanders, Giants. I would love to take an LSU guy. I would love to take Zai.
- [458:29]
E
Alexander here. Zai Alexander would.
- [458:31]
A
Be perfect. Got the size.
- [458:33]
E
And length. The length 100%. I mean, I thought he could have been a day.
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B
Two guy. I thought.
- [458:36]
A
So too. Maybe not the speed, but I mean, if you're going a lot of zone, he's a good.
- [458:40]
B
Zone guy. You know, I had him in the third, so I had a.
- [458:42]
E
I had a. I don't know if any of these guys really profile necessarily is you kick him inside and they play the slot for sure. Like Black maybe has the opportunity to do that. I don't think Harris does out.
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A
Of Iowa. What about these edges, man? I keep saying their name like.
- [458:59]
E
Ivy. Ivy. I. Ivy's. I think the best player.
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B
Left on my board for.
- [459:04]
E
Me.
- [459:05]
D
Too. Brown. McLaughlin, the center from Ohio State would.
- [459:09]
E
Be my. Yeah, yeah. Oh, actually, you're right. I've got. I had him.
- [459:12]
A
At 79. I think he's.
- [459:13]
C
Really good. I had him. I had him.
- [459:14]
A
Pretty high. Three offensive linemen will set Cowboy Nation.
- [459:18]
D
Was his. Was his condition at. At Ohio State? He got. Was it a knee? Was it something that could. Like doctors at the combine kind of wrecked him a little bit there or.
- [459:29]
C
You know. Yeah, so he, he, he tore his left acute Achilles. Achilles midway through the season. Okay. But I mean, it must have been bad. He. Alabama transfer. Yeah, he's a leader. He's a communicator for Ohio State and he even helped a lot after he got pulled out of that offensive line. He was crucial in helping Ohio State succeed in the run game, but he'd work well in a Clayton Adams type scheme because they pin and pull so much at Ohio State. He'll have to work back from this injury, but. But I think this is a talented player. I'm surprised him and Jake Majors.
- [460:03]
D
As centers. Jake Majors played a ton of snaps and trust me to have Majors and McLaughlin on the board considering Manheim. I was not a fan of his very much, but you mentioned McLaughlin and I thought this kid had some Jason Kelsey type tendencies to his game because he can make blocks at all level. There's, you know, he's a hard guy to fool. Nothing gets by him. He's. He, you know, he kind of. He secures the guy on the line of scrimmage then moves on to the next guy who he's Uncovered, he'll pull in space, he'll find his man, he'll get that block. The way he plays in space is really impressive. And I'm just surprised that you know that with that somebody's kind of passed on, on a guy that, that's got good range and he might not have ideal length for a center, but man, his footwork. And neither, like I say, neither did Jason Kelsey. He just kind of gets up on you and gets the second level. And my guy started 34 games at center in his college career at Alabama and.
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E
Ohio State. Yeah. All right, that's.
- [461:07]
D
Pretty nuts. Let's just draft somebody that played it with a bounce house in the.
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C
End zone. Yeah, him and Fidel Diggs are my only third round.
- [461:13]
A
Grades left. I like Diggs a lot.
- [461:15]
E
And I think, I think he's a pretty high.
- [461:16]
B
Character guy. Could you transfer A and M? Could I interest you in a quarterback just to beat the UD rush? I don't know if there's any out there. I mean, Hennigan would be.
- [461:28]
E
My, would be probably a guy that I'm very.
- [461:30]
A
Interested in. Here, let me.
- [461:31]
B
Let me. Rosemer, let.
- [461:32]
D
Me just. Yeah, just let's, let's go get the corner. Let's, you know, I mean, throw, throw, throw resources at that right now and especially if you've got some guys and obviously we're much higher on these corners than they are, so. But to me, I'll take a chance, I'll take a chance on the Kansas kids, the LSU kid if they, you know, if they've got, just put them in the mix. You just don't know how the, how they, how this thing might, might work out better than, you know, maybe you guys want to take a chance at a.
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B
Wide receiver. Yeah, I've got Restrepo, Bond and Nash right there. I mean, those are the three guys that. Yeah, so it looks.
- [462:11]
D
Like it. And if Restrepo doesn't run.
- [462:14]
B
The 40 yard dash, Dominic Lovett from. Okay, that's a tall Georgia.
- [462:18]
A
Another.
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D
Strider. Yeah. If Restrepo doesn't get it, doesn't run, does he get picked in the third or.
- [462:25]
E
Fourth round? Oh, man, I just never really liked him as much as you.
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B
Guys did. I.
- [462:30]
E
Didn'T either.
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D
I just. Nick, the tape.
- [462:33]
C
Restrepo tape. The tape is there. I mean, he's, he's, he's Nick and, and he's, he's gets open in the short to.
- [462:40]
A
Intermediate.
- [462:40]
C
Game. Yeah. And he's got, he's got contact balance and he's an impressive runner. He's he doesn't have the speed, but he's an impressive runner. I'm surprised the team hasn't taken a swing on.
- [462:49]
D
Him yet. I.
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C
Am.
- [462:51]
D
Too. Yeah. But like I say, he's one of those guys that if he, if he, if he doesn't run. I know I do a lot of work with our, our buddy Jeff Kavanaugh, you know, and Jeff had him like in the third round, and all of a sudden he ran like four, eight and. Well, I can't put him in the third round. Like. Well, what was the tape like? Yeah, you know, we heard coaches coming in early, scouts coming in early, talking.
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B
About tape. So White Cotton just worked into the room. The Cowboys have made their final selection, it appears, and maybe it's a.
- [463:18]
E
Defensive lineman. I digs. I mean, horsely still there.
- [463:26]
D
Isn'T.
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E
He? Yeah. Did you double. You want to just go ahead and let's make sure this defensive tackle room, which has really been a weakness, ends up maybe trying to, to be a strength here late in the draft. Ivy, I think, is probably my top defensive.
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B
Lineman left. Yeah, he's mine.
- [463:40]
D
As well. Ivy would be mine. Yeah, he would be mine too. He would.
- [463:44]
E
Be mine. I liked what we saw. I mean, I, I thought Ivy had some good pass.
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B
Rush ability. You talked about Diggs.
- [463:50]
D
From Syracuse.
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A
Zeke Biggers. I, I, I, I.
- [463:56]
B
Stacked Horsley. I don't.
- [463:59]
D
Think so. No. Stackhouse is.
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A
Not gone. White KY was in.
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D
The room. He was in the.
- [464:02]
B
Room. Yeah. He's the first one to.
- [464:03]
C
Show up. He.
- [464:04]
A
Reflows too. That's why I mentioned the, the bigger edge earlier, you know, and, and you know, you know, when we get whooped in the postseason by good teams, it's always run defense. So get you a, get you a big guy that's going to work in that rotation. I mean, we, we, we have a good idea of what the, the NASCAR type packages gonna look like. You know, it's gonna be a mixture of, you know, Fowler and Donovan and, and Sam and Micah. But what is your, your, your base rundowns and if anything happens to Marshon, like, like who's your, your run end guy? Your, your base run end? I think you could.
- [464:37]
B
Use another. There's Crosky merit off.
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D
The.
- [464:39]
E
Board. Good. I'm glad he.
- [464:40]
B
Got drafted. Commanders went to.
- [464:42]
D
Washington 245. Yeah. I hope I'm wrong about.
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E
Him then. Yeah. Just because of where he went. I'm with you. But Crosby married deserve. I mean, he's shifty, he's high cut, but he's got Good size for the position. Stands in, can pack a punch pass, bro. He was a super productive player when he was at New Mexico. Transferred. He was at Alabama State, then went to New Mexico, then ended up with Arizona. Only played a game though with Arizona last year. Good vision. He can be a little upright at times but. But he's a good back, man. I know you liked him, I think more.
- [465:16]
A
Than anybody. Botched catch the ball too, man. Big play guy. Gets away from these guys and he finishes runs too, man. I was, I was a big fan. I was a big fan and watch.
- [465:25]
B
The football. Wizards got him one Will McClay is really.
- [465:28]
E
Excited about. They're happy. I mean I. Fidel Diggs I think fits everything that they.
- [465:32]
B
Talk about. Here's Corey Black, corner out of Oklahoma State. He goes to the Giants.
- [465:37]
E
At Giants have had a.
- [465:38]
B
Nice draft. So back to back to back NFC east picks. Washington with Crosky, Mary Merritt, Corey Black at Giants. And now it's the Cowboys on the clock.
- [465:47]
A
At 2:47. What you guys think about Ja Joyner? You know, the Cowboys like.
- [465:51]
E
Lincoln and he has.
- [465:52]
A
One though. He's got stupid.
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D
Arm length. Yeah, he.
- [465:56]
A
Absolutely does. You know, and they're just searching for traits right now. And if we're talking about a D lineman, like an edge guy, he fits.
- [466:02]
D
All the. You got him. Read him, read him.
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A
To us. Let me go back to my board there. My goodness, my goodness. All right. Primarily a rundown guy. Oh my God, look at those arms. He's touching his shins. Standing up straight. Great extension. Solid, solid pocket pushers. Probably gonna be a two gap guy. I feel like he did a really good job stacking and shedding and looking around. And two gap if you need him to do that. He doesn't have a rush plan at all. He will run right down the middle of you and he has no bend. But if, if he uses his. His length and you can't get arms on him, he will win that, that pass rush, down rep. But I think he would be mostly a run defender on.
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C
The edge. This is a player we have not mentioned.
- [466:44]
B
One.
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A
Time. Wow.
- [466:45]
B
Oh, okay. Kind of a left.
- [466:47]
E
Field one. Might not be.
- [466:48]
C
A player. They are just about.
- [466:50]
D
It though. Offense.
- [466:50]
C
Or defense? Defense. White guns on.
- [466:53]
B
The phone. Can you give me interior.
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C
Or edge? Pick us in, pick us in, pick.
- [466:58]
B
Us in. Yeah, but let's start. Start naming.
- [467:00]
C
Some guys. I'll tell you what, he's not on my board. There's only been five, five picks made. I, I know about this player. I just didn't put him on my board because I didn't think he'd.
- [467:08]
D
Get.
- [467:08]
A
Drafted.
- [467:08]
B
Wow. Okay. Okay, so.
- [467:10]
D
This is. So it's probably a pretty good chance he's not on my board.
- [467:13]
A
Either.
- [467:13]
B
Then. Yeah, well, we'll see. Interior.
- [467:19]
A
Or edge? Somebody we haven't talked about.
- [467:21]
D
At all. This is probably somebody that didn't want to fight for in free agency.
- [467:24]
E
You know. Yeah, yeah, we think an edge or D.
- [467:28]
B
Tackle. Nick. Yeah, he didn't give it.
- [467:30]
A
To me. I think. I think edge. I think it'll probably most, most likely be an edge. I think they've done what they.
- [467:36]
D
Wanted, man. Will's kids.
- [467:37]
E
Getting big. It's not Tyler.
- [467:38]
B
Elijah. Johnny. Elijah Ponder, he's gonna be a receiver here.
- [467:42]
D
R.J. oban. Is he?
- [467:43]
A
Is he. We've.
- [467:44]
C
Mentioned college. He's a freshman in college now. I'm not sure where he's at. I. I haven't checked in on that. Kaimon Rucker, he just graduated from Capell. Maybe. Maybe K. Or he's graduating this. This year.
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E
Excuse me. Rucker from.
- [467:55]
A
North Carolina. I know he's a past rushy guy. I just haven't been saying his name because I was naming run defenders. But yeah, past rushy.
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B
Guy, maybe. All right, Pick is in at 247. Just waiting for.
- [468:06]
A
The reveal. We've mentioned Tyler Baddie. Have we talked about.
- [468:09]
B
Elijah Ponder? That was the name I just said. Out of Cal Poly. Kind of an interesting small.
- [468:14]
C
School guy, you know, via our friend Bobby belt. Regarding Seth McLaughlin. Some teams have him off the board due.
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D
To medicals. Okay.
- [468:20]
A
Makes sense. It's a.
- [468:21]
D
Bummer. Yep. Watch the tape.
- [468:22]
A
He.
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B
Did.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
All right. Just a couple moments away. Still looking at the war room. They are really excited about it and now it's time to fight.
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D
Free.
- [468:32]
B
Agents. Yeah. This is a stressful time for everybody in that room because you get an opportunity to play value at the end of this and see what you can get, who you can bring in. And they've been very good recently at taking some undrafted free agents after the draft comes to a close. They are letting this.
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D
One.
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B
Roll. Yeah. All the way up until the very end on the.
- [468:55]
D
NFL stream. Yeah, they'll be organized. Like once this pick goes in, then they're off the board and. Or they're out of the draft. So now it's a, you know, Stephen and Todd and Williams and those guys. Adam, they'll tell them, hey, we need this many wide receivers, we need this many tight ends to go to camp. We need this many to, you know, at various positions and stuff. So they will, they'll make the focus to, to do that and get that, get that.
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B
Squared out. We're going to get an announcement here. Here's.
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A
The pick. Oh, let's go. 47th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft. The Dallas Cowboys select Tommy A. King Bisto, defensive.
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B
Tackle, Maryland. Tommy A. King Basote is how you actually say, A King Besotte out of Maryland. Defensive tackle, 6 foot 3, 306. He had 32 tackles, 5 tackles for loss last year. He goes at 2:47 to your Dallas Cowboys East, West, Shrine Bowl. Guy had him out there at, he was, he was another one of the guys that they got an.
- [470:00]
C
Eye on. And Cowboys defensive line coach Aaron White Cotton was at his pro day. I, I, I, I looked at that and saw Jordan Phillips out of Miami as the defensive tackle. Maybe he was eyeing, but maybe he was eyeing both of them. And a King Basok is certainly, he has some twitch and there's going to be some, some, some intrigue around his upper half and how strong he is. Definitely a rotational guy that's going to have to fight his way onto the roster, but it's just a guy maybe they didn't want to fight for in free agency. And maybe that's, yeah, maybe that's a question we have.
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D
Maybe not. Looks good in.
- [470:29]
C
His.
- [470:29]
A
Stance. Yep. Competition. Let him fly. Let him go out there and fight each other over.
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E
This thing. Yeah, I mean just looking at some of the notes I had back from the Shrine bowl, he had a career high 32 tackles, five for loss and 12 starts last year. Yeah, big kid. Six, four, three, 16. So that's kind of all I got.
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B
On it. Another guy that didn't.
- [470:50]
E
Transfer either. Played basketball. Was he a former.
- [470:53]
B
Basketball guy? He's kind of built like that, so I wouldn't be shocked. I don't have that on the background here. But he was a four star recruit out of high school, stayed local from Largo, Maryland out there, there on the east coast, state at Maryland, played at home and I think all of those things play off or pay out for him. Good burst off the line of scrimmage and in terms of 10 yard split, 1, 7, 6, not bad for a defensive tackle. So yeah, late round guy and taking a chance on a guy that you don't want to fight for. As we're in the final.
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C
10 picks, this is just where we lean on our friend.
- [471:28]
A
Dane Brugler. And what does.
- [471:30]
C
He say? He oh my God. I just exit out of what.
- [471:33]
E
Is here. I can pull it up if you need it. Grew up in Maryland. Saw himself as a basketball player before making the switch to football as a junior because that was his best chance at a scholarship. He was a four star recruit, received offers from OU A&M. Was locked on nearby Maryland because of the coaching staff. He was the second ranked D lineman in that 2021 class behind.
- [471:55]
B
Chop.
- [471:56]
E
Robinson. Wow. Was a first round pick of the Miami Dolphins. He carries most of his weight in his upper half half. Can dent the depth of the pocket with initial quickness off the snap. He made gradual improvements each season and is yet to play his best football, although he is still connecting the dots and things won't slow down in the NFL. Overall he has unquestionable talent, especially for his size, but he was more of a cog in the machine than a difference maker that jumped off the tape or the stat sheet per Dane Brugler in.
- [472:23]
B
The Beast. Well done Dane. Always had him ready to go. But yeah, because Tommy Aking Besote rounds out the Entire Dallas Cowboys 2025 draft class and now it's on to the undrafted free agents unless they want to trade their way back in. That's a rare move to make though this late in the process. We'll see if we can have time to get him on the, on the phone and then have some have some secret audio. In the final 12 minutes.
- [472:52]
D
Of our coverage, Connor Colby went to The San Francisco 49, a guard.
- [472:57]
C
From Iowa. Talk.
- [472:58]
D
About him. Yeah.
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B
Don'T mind.
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D
Of course. You got him, you.
- [473:01]
C
Got him. No, go ahead, go ahead. I was.
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Asking you. Yeah, I just was. I, I was. I I think this kid is. When you start to talk about like athletic ability and and things like that, I, I think this kid is pretty, pretty high on my list. He's a starting right guard for Iowa. Made multiple starts at various spots along the line of scrimmage, both guard and right tight tackle. He might not be the heaviest guy at 309, but outstanding when it comes to foot movement for the position. Very light on his feet, the way he plays. He's got a feel for angles, how to use them to his advantage. He gives really good effort in order to finish blocks. He stays on his man one on one while playing on the move where he really excels as a double teamer. He's outstanding in this area. He's secure the down lineman and then seamlessly work to the next level. He has an idea where the man is going to be and then locates and then he's able to make that block where he will get in a little trouble is when he oversets and then he has to scramble back in order to make that play. But he's got some strong hands from position, struggle a little bit at times, his pad level and strength. But he's able to handle men much bigger than him with his set and his balance. So I really do kind of like this kid. I had him in the fourth round as.
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A guard. Didn't always have the power, Brian, but he always looked to finish. He always tried to just maul guys best he could. And I like the. The attitude on him. I like the ferocity, so to speak. So shouts out to Conor Cob, man, I was a big fan of his scoop blocks and his outside zone stuff, but he ain't on my team, so.
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It'S.
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Cool. Molo. I don't know this one. Tight end out of.
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UCLA.
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Mo. Yeah. Saints took him at 248. Yeah, right after the Cowboys. You.
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Have him? Yeah, I do this guy. Let me see if I could get to him.
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As well. He's a fly.
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Flex end. Yeah, he.
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Really is. And then it was Connor Colby and then it was John Williams. We'll get to Matavo because we have Tommy King Biseote on the line. Tommy, congratulations. Yes, sir. You are a Dallas Cowboy. What's going through your head? What's going on? I like.
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The interview. Yeah. We ready to come to Dallas to come straight to work, man. We were trying to win the Super Bowl. Let's.
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Do it. What was that moment like getting the call from Jerry and. And I mean, right at the tail end of the. The draft. Now you are officially going to have a.
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Star, man. It's a surreal moment, man. We've been waiting this whole weekend for that call and it came. So. Hey, I'm blessed from God. God bless me here to be a Dallas Cowboy. So I'm here to come work, man. Let's.
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Do it. Hey, Tommy, congratulations, man. Did you expect. Did you have a hope to be drafted today? Did it surprise you or were you fully expecting it the.
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Whole way? I was fully expecting it, man. I know God put me on this earth for a reason and he put me on the earth to come play football. So. Hey, I knew it. I knew it was going to happen by God's grace, and.
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It happened. I love it. Hey, Cowboys defensive line coach Aaron White Cotton was at your pro day. Were you able to meet with him at that time? Did you connect with him? Just kind of walk me through your experiences.
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With him? Yes, sir, we had. We had. He he worked me out and we hopped on the board and talked football, and I feel like it was a great time. He. He was a great coach. He. He understood. He understood my game style. He understood what I could bring to the table. And, yeah, we had.
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Great talks. What your Cowboys fans expect.
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From you? Physicality. I'm a great person off the field. I'm a people's person, man, and I'm here.
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To win. Hey, and that's kind of been the. The culture theme here in Dallas, is you have that. That energy. You have that. That mindset. How much did that play into the conversations with Cowboy staff throughout the process? When. When they were talking about your energy and your personality, how big do you feel like that played a factor into you.
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Being picked? I feel like it played a huge factor because I'm an energy guy. I bring it every day. I come. I come with all the energy I can. So. So, man, I'm just happy right now to be a coward, man. I'm.
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Blessed, man. What is your most favorite part about playing football? Why do you love football so.
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Much, Tommy? Because I could bring my physicality to another 300 pounder every single play, man. Man. And. And. And it's legal, so I can't get in trouble.
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For it. So.
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That'S what. That's my biggest part. That's physicality. Punching the old line in his mouth every.
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Every play.
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All right. I asked one of your fellow draftees this earlier, but if you could eat one food every day, what is the food you're.
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Rocking with? I'mma go with. I'm gonna go with salmon Alfredo. Salmon Alfredo.
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For sure. Is that the.
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Pregame meal? Hell, yeah.
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Yes, sir. Hey, I'll let you know in the Cowboys cafeteria here that y' all eat at. They feed you a lot of salmon and a lot of Alfredo.
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So maybe you can mix.
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That up. If you had to listen to one music artist for the rest of your life, who would.
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It be? I'm going with no Cap or Ralo. No Cap or an.
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Alabama.
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Man. Okay. Yes, sir. I.
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Appreciate it. That's awesome. Now, hey, we're excited to get you out here. I know. Hey, that same mindset that you have and the same mentality you have could also push over to what the offensive guard in the first round Tyler Booker was talking about. That's going to be some fun matchups in training camp. So looking forward to having you out here.
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Congratulations again. Yes, I appreciate. Appreciate.
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Y'. All. Tamia King Bisote joining us here on the draft show as we continue through the Final round. Okay. We've heard from all the guys. We've heard the culture fit. I see it now. When it comes to a Brian Schottenheimer type of guy, that makes a lot of sense just now getting to talk to him for the first time. He's got a ton of energy and he's going to bring it to the table. Our first long snapper off the board. Julian Ashby, long snapper from Vanderbilt. This is our version of Stump.
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The Truck. There's no.
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Way there.
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Long snapper. Wait.
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A minute. From.
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Chris Beam. Yeah, I think he.
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Got him. They ain't got nothing.
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Backed up. Come on. I believe.
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In you. Please, Beam, just go ahead and pull up off YouTube some.
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Vanderbilt punch. Be off the board.
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Oh, no. We're.
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Having delay. Stump.
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The Truck. They've got to have a graphic.
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Or.
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Something. Nothing. This is just a.
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Pause for.
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It's okay. Beam hasn't said no to you in.
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Your headset. Oh.
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The Sounder.
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The Sounder. It took a.
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Lot of.
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We got. We got four minutes left in this. This.
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Whole broadcast. Teams really suck at drafting. If Dam and them got 500 clips and they picked the cat in.
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The.
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500. Yeah. A.
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Long.
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Snapper. Yeah. Hey, that John Williams pick, though, to Green Bay. That guy's an aerospace.
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Engineer, man. Is he as smart as that.
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Texas guy? I don't know, but that's. That's impressive. He started 24 straight games at left tackle. Had 27 starts, over.
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52.
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Games. Games. He plays where he looks really good and has some where he looks really bad. He can get good just at the snap kick slide into place. When he gets himself set, he's really difficult to fight off. But then he has plays where he just gets blown by. And his quarterback is just. It's survival mode right there. Hand placement is really key for him when he gets engaged. Can get inside on the chest. He just. He can flip his hips. Blocks well in the run game. Solid footwork. He just needs more power and consistency to his game. So shout out to John Williams out of Cincinnati, your newest Green.
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Bay packer shouts out to NASA. That's a hell of a.
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Backup.
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Plan. Yeah. What's our quarterback? That's a NASA dude. The guy from Tennessee back in.
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The day. Oh.
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Joshua Dobbs.
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Joshua.
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Dobbs.
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Yeah. Yeah. He was a.
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Fourth round. We have an all.
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NASA team. That would be awesome. Junior Bergen, wide receiver from Montana, off.
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The board. It's catching from cattle ranchers.
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I'm sure. Now we're really getting in.
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The bag. Here's defensive tackle.
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Zeke Biggers. Oh, Miami.
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Dolphins. Yeah. How about boy.
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Georgia Tech. Yeah, Georgia Tech. How about that real quick. I'll try and give you a little update on on Zeke. Hold on, I got to get my notes. Got to Elliot, no, Zeke, he's six five, 320 pounds, massive frame, outstanding arm length for the position. The length, the size led me to believe that he could be good as a run defense. But there's snaps where you see him power into the backfield, make disruptive plays, but in his frame challenges interior offensive linemen particularly like shorter arm guys, centers and guards that he might go with and but I really do like the length and its unique advantage in the leverage battles. But he does struggle to maximize some of the natural power that he might have with that length. But I think he has a pretty good sense of where the ball is going to be. He plays with solid effort for a player his skill but he's going to need to develop a lot more pass rush moves. He could be a big, big struggle for him. He's just not quick twitched and he's not and he's just going to push the pocket and go straight ahead and then get his hands up to knock the passes down. I think that's where he's going to be more of a factor. But he's one of the best in the nation. When it did come I looked that up because it seemed like every time against Florida State, Miami he was knocking a ball down. I was like okay, how much is this? But he was one of the best in the nation at doing this. So he might just get drafted on the traits alone of being 65 and 320 we've seen it right.
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Now just got him drafted 253 to the dolphins. It's the Saints, Texans, Chargers and then the owners of the Mr. Irrelevant pick at 2:57 is the New England Patriots. We've got two options here gentlemen. We can either play stump the beam again and try and name things so he can get his his.
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B roll out there and those kind of guys.
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Are starving. They are hating you for even bringing.
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That idea. I just heard they did the work. They did the work just like you watched players they put together.
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The I, I, I, I, I I appreciate what you're.
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Doing man. Just trying to help them out. The other one is we could guess who.
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For him. Dive in my bag on F. Diggs right.
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Quick cuz.
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Dive in. I'm.
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A fan. Yeah I this is a guy had a third round grade on him which I guess I look like an idiot. Right now.
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But I. He.
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Got drafted. I really do like this player. He's a Texas A and M transfer. He's a versatile defender. He played over a quarter of his snaps in the box in 2024 so he can step back and drop. He's got this tall, long frame. It gives him length advantages in pass rush situations and helps him make up ground and coverage too. He has an upside to be an every down player. His ability to defend the run and his. His pass rush instincts. He's not super twitchy but again he has the instincts and the length to be. To be a starter in this league. I fully believe that. It's a good, good pick by the Saints, I guess. Kellen, he gave me one last thing to think on on that class. I don't know if I hate that class so much or love it so much. I.
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Can'T decide. It's going to be interesting when it comes down to it because that's again tied to him as the first year head coach and his first draft as the head man down in New Orleans since you guys shot down.
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My idea. I got one for you. I got one for you. For everybody in the back, shun Derek Powell, the running back from Central Arkansas. Arkansas Central Arkansas Shun Derek Powell from Central.
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Central Arkansas. I bet you they have.
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That one. I bet they ain't got it.
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Back there. A sun tape. I.
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Bet you. I bet you they don't.
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Have it transferred from.
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North Alabama. They don't.
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Have them. Nicely done.
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Good job. Watch.
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Here, here.
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All right. Did Jared Ivey.
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Get picked? No, no, he chilling. He's.
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Sitting around. There's that Luke Lakey from Iowa. I.
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Think so. That's probably Lachey shrine bow got everything.
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Go ahead. Before we get into it. Before we get into it, Phil Mafa and Tomy or Tommy King besote. Here are back to back secret audios that we'll listen.
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To here. Tommy's gonna.
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Be.
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Fun. Yeah. Phil. Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys. We just drafted Phil. We just drafted you. Awesome.
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Thank you. Well.
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We'Re excited. You can hear the room. We're excited about it. And you've earned it and you've got something that can really stick. We have a big need for your style and you as a player. So I just got to tell you I'm proud for you. But I'm proud for us too. Welcome. Welcome to the Cowboys. Thank you. Okay, here. And I want the coach say something to you too. Field coach shot on our man. Congrats. Thanks coach. I appreciate it, man.
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We just. Hey, we think the world to.
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You, buddy. And, no, it's been a crazy weekend for you, man, but it's.
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About getting to the.
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Right spot. And again, we got a great vision for you, and we're just fired up to get you in here and put you to work. Yep, no doubt, man. So hold a couple of other guys want to talk to you. I'm gonna put you on with our OC Clayton Adams, and then our running back, coach, Derek Foster. Okay.
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Man. Yeah. You.
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Don'T mind. You don't mind a little Kyle competition, do you? No. Hey, I love it. I love it, man. Congrats again. Here's Coach Adams. Yes, sir.
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Big Mafa. What's.
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Up, buddy? Hey, what's up, Coach? How are.
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You doing? I am super excited that you're going to be part of this thing. And I can't wait to watch you. Watch you run when you're fully healthy, too. You know what I'm saying? I know that you're getting yourself all ready.
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To go. Yes, sir.
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Thank.
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You. Yep.
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Appreciate you. Welcome to the family. I'm gonna put you on the phone with Coach.
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Foster, right?
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Yes, sir. All right.
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Go.
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Cowboys. Phil. Oh, my gosh. Yes, sir. How you doing, man? Doing good, Coach. How are you doing? Congratulations, man. How about that, right? Man, I've been watching you since Grayson High School, and now I get an opportunity to finally coach you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Man, I know you're a highly competitive guy, so come on and come and let's go to work, right? Congratulations. Let's do it. No doubt.
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All right. All right. And here is the other draft audio from. From.
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King Besotte. Hey, Tommy. Uhoh. What's up? That is everybody cheering in behind us. This Jerry, man, he just turned you in. You're a Dallas Cowboy. Hey, we are really excited over you coming here, and you are to be congratulated. You've made yourself. You've made yourself where you can have this opportunity. We're proud to be with you. I won't regret this, Coach. I will not regret this toast. I promise. I'm here to work, and I'm here to be a great player for the team. Hey, I love it. I love it. All right, man. Good to be on the phone. Give that mama a.
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Hug.
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Y'. All. Family. The family. Excited, man. Yes, sir, Coach. I appreciate. Now then, here's our Coach Schottenheimer. Be sure he wants to talk to you. Well, welcome. What's.
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Up, Tommy? What's.
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Up, man? Congratulations, buddy. Yes, sir, man. Appreciate you so much, Coach. I appreciate You. We are thrilled. Congratulations. Taking a chance on me, Coach? I appreciate you. Hey, we know you're going to do great.
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Things.
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Man. Congratulations. You come in here, you compete every day. Hey, and we got the right style of defense for you, man. We like to knock people back and go hit the.
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Freaking quarterback.
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All right. Couple more coaches want to talk to you. I'm going to put you on Coach Eber Flus. And then Coach Whitecotton, our D line coach. Here's Coach Flu, D.C. congrats. Yes, sir. Thank you. Tommy. Hello? Yeah, Tommy, you there? This is Coach Flu. I'm the D coordinator. Man, I'm so happy to have you on our team, man. Man, I appreciate you, Coach. I appreciate.
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You, Coach. I must telling you, there's.
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Great things coming for you, Understand? Yes, sir. Man, I won't regret this, man. I promise. I won't regret this, man. You're gonna kick ass and take names, all right? Yeah, that part. Yes, sir. All right, man. All right. We just. All you got to do is just go.
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Hard, man. Just go hard and listen, get better and.
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Get your. Your technique right, man. You're gonna be great. That part. Yes, sir. I'm here to work and we going. We're gonna win the championship in Dallas.
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Damn special. We.
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Are you. Damn. Let's do it here. Here's the A dub. This is going to be your new best friend, okay? Okay? Yes, sir. Line coach. Tommy, Some days we'll be best friends, some days we'll.
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Be enemies. But it'll all.
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Work out. And that's what it's about. That's what.
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It'S.
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About. Coach.
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Yes, sir. We're fired up, man. I thought there was no.
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Way in hell we would ever be.
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Able to get you at this position.
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Because of the type of player.
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And person. Person.
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You are.
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And we're. We're so freaking excited, buddy.
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So excited. God bless. God bless, man. I appreciate y' all.
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So much. It's gonna be an amazing.
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Ride, dog.
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Yes, sir. All right, man, go enjoy.
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This moment with your family and. And then we'll come get.
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To work this week, this coming weekend.
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All right? Yes, sir. Let's do it. All right, big dog, I'll talk to.
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You soon. All right. There's a King Besotte. Our final secret audio of.
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The week. I'm loving these coaches. Yeah. I'm loving their enthusiasm for their. Their guys, and they seem like they're just. I'm.
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Loving it. Coach White Cotton has such a loud whisper. Like, he's whispering, but, like, man, he says stuff like he's like, it's impactful when he's whispering to you, man, like, it's. I feel it. Yeah. Like, yeah, man, you. You better do xyz. You damn right. You're gonna. We're gonna go out there and kick some ass. You. You bet. Bet your ass we are. And he whispers and you go, yeah. You whisper back.
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To yeah. All right. Luke Lachey, tight end, Iowa goes to the Texans. Bridges. The corner from Florida goes to the Charger Chargers. Here are the New England Patriots with Mr. Irrelevant.
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In 2025. They ought to make the previous Mr. Irrelevant. Oh.
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Announce it. Yeah, that'd.
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Be good. It's like the Masters giving you.
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A jacket. Thank you. To the person. Way in the back.
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The bottom. Way to hang.
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In there. How do you tell people that.
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Your job.
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Yeah, it's. It's a.
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Weird one with friendlier people. It sound like you ain't got.
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No jobs. Yeah, we like, just like.
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Irrelevant week. We've been doing it for. This is the.
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50Th year. You love.
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Your team. We love.
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Your community. We'd like to thank Fran.
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Arin Orini for being good to us.
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And feeding us cheese curds.
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And ribs. She would.
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Have Gary up.
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There and McKim at the.
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Unit hotel. He's awesome. All of you have.
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Been.
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Great. Yeah. So we're going to Newport Beach 2025 draft. We'll see you in Newport Beach. You can check visit newportbeach.com.
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Or go to the.
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Bay Club. Come party.
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With us. Bring your.
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Cheese heads. We like that. Bring your.
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Cheese heads. Pick in the 2025 NFL Draft by the New England Patriots is Kobe Minor, a defensive back.
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From.
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Memphis. Memphis.
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All right. And that'll.
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Do it. Can I fly off with some UDFA news that I think is just kind.
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Of pertinent? Yeah.
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Let's go. Bo Collins, Notre Dame wide receiver to the Giants, Minnesota Edge. Jay Joyner signing with the Raiders. Nick Nash signing with the.
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First.
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Falcons. Wow. How about this one? DJ Uiyangala going to the Chargers. He's going back home to Los Angeles. Good for him to see what we're going to see what Jim Harbo has up his.
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Sleeve there. Anybody from the Cowboys.
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Quite yet? No. And typically just on a report. Yeah, typically they, they don't have that. Those first couple drop for about 20, 30 minutes at least that's been the case last couple.
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Of years. Well, we'll, we'll make sure and updated on the social channels as we go along. I mean, so many people to thank throughout this weekend. It's Been an incredible run throughout. Throughout the entire draft process. It is a pleasure getting to hang with all those that have hung around for all 257 picks. But those behind the scenes that don't get the same love, they're the ones that are the real heroes here and the ones that have done the work just as much as we have watching.
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The players. Can we bring them in.
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The room and actually, you know what? If.
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You'Re not. Hell, yeah.
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Let'S do. You're not punching buttons. I would love to bring them into.
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The room. I can hit the.
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Buttons.
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While. Definitely. Yeah.
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Come on. I'm a YouTuber. I can leave the room, come in.
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The room. As many people that can possibly fit in here. I would love to do that. This isn't Covid times anymore. We can. We can show a little love on the.
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A
Camera side. Here.
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C
We go. Here.
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E
We go. Here.
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D
We go.
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A
I mean. Okay, here.
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We go. So we've got Jasmine Marshall. Jazz. Is today actual last day, by the way? So this is today's last day for Jasmine Marshall, who's going to move on? What's.
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C
Up, Jazz?
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B
Hi, guys. So this is a hero behind the scenes. No doubt about it. Who else was in the room? Were you the only one.
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A
Back there? Do that.
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E
Hakkad dance. It's.
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B
The Hawkeye. Look at Chris Beam doing.
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A
His job.
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B
Thanks, Beamer. That's what took.
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A
So long. Give me another one of these. Give me two of these. Give me.
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B
That one. Yeah, Zach needs a lot.
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E
Of those. I'm gonna go drown.
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A
My sorrows. Yeah, you can't drink it on the.
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D
Air.
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E
Right? Can't. No.
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B
Apparently not. They don't want you to, but.
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E
Cheers.
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D
Everybody.
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E
Cheers. Cheers. Thank you, guys.
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A
So much. We.
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E
Appreciate you.
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B
Miller Light. We've had an incredible weekend throughout. This has been so much fun. And, yeah, Jazz, we're gonna miss you on the Cowboys side of things. You are a superstar behind the scenes. No.
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D
Doubt about. Got it. Hey, Beam. Beam, pop on the microphone. There's more people in the back, too. Say thanks to all.
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C
Your. Absolutely.
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A
Back there. Oh, Matt, back there.
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D
Right there. Oh, there.
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B
We go. Yeah, there we go, Matt, That's Scott Purcell's elbow off to the.
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E
Side there.
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B
Yeah.
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D
Yazzy.
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C
Yes. Yeah. We had Yasmine, Yasmine.
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A
And Victor.
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D
All right. Thank.
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B
You, guys. Victor.
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D
Thank you.
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B
Absolute best. Paul was.
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D
Clipping it. Thank you so much for.
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A
Everything. Everything. I'm bummed about that.
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C
Long snapper.
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B
I'm sorry. No, let's.
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A
Get it. I.
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B
Got.
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C
One. Josh. Witz, he was Colorado school.
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B
Of Mines. He's from Colorado School of Mines. Do you.
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E
Have him? He was a shrine.
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A
Bowl guy. Your ass better not have Colorado School of.
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B
Mines back. Colorado School.
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A
Of Mines. I bet you better.
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B
Not pull. No, he's going to pull.
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A
It up. What's.
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C
That mascot? They are the Mules. They are one of the Mules. They're one of the. The best Division 3 programs they play. They come down here quite a bit too because they play the national championship in McKen. Here we go. Look at him getting. Look at that mule and.
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B
A baby. They're actually the.
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C
Or Diggers. What.
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A
A great.
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E
The what? The.
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B
Or Diggers. Colorado School.
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E
Of Mines. I.
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B
Heard the. But.
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C
That is. That is.
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B
A.
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A
Mule. No. O, R E I G.
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B
G E R S.
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A
Or Diggers. I thought y was talking about some male anatomy is what it sound like. I don't know what y' all talking about. Hey.
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C
It'S late. Look at. Look, he's got.
- [494:45]
A
The circle. Look at him pin down inside the five and he knocks it out.
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D
Of bounds. Football intelligence right.
- [494:51]
B
Now, dude. Whoever gets him as an undrafted free agent is getting a steal of a player. S T E E L E because.
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C
He'S.
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B
Steel. That's. That's all I got on him. Colorado School of Minds. Chris Beam and everybody.
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E
Great job.
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B
Oh, man. Whoever cut that B roll, I want to know. I want to know who cut that one specifically. All right, everybody. Special thanks to all those that have tuned in throughout the weekend. I believe we'll have one more draft showcast on Tuesday to wrap this thing up. Tie a bow on it on the 2025 NFL Draft.
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C
Class 4. I won't be able to make it on Tuesday, so I appreciate everyone for watching and supporting my stuff and supporting this crew stuff throughout the weekend, throughout the draft season cycle. Let's do it all again next.
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B
Year, fellas. You're a superstar. Nick Harris, you are a superstar. Let's one more time read off the official draft class for the Dallas Cowboys. Tyler Booker, first overall first round pick for the Cowboys, 12th overall out of Alabama, Dozeran or Donovan Ezraku edge, rusher from Boston College. Savone Revel Jr. Corner from East Carolina, Jaden Blue, running back from Texas in the fifth round, Shamar James, also in the fifth round, linebacker from Florida, Florida, Ajani Cornelius, Oregon offensive lineman in the sixth round. Jay Toya, defensive tackle from UCLA in the seventh round, Phil Mafa. In the seventh, running back from Clemson. And then Tommy Akinbasote, defensive tackle from Maryland, the final pick for your Dallas Cowboys. Nine selections and we'll have plenty of time between now and training camp to break it all down. Once again, the draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer, the Dallas Cowboys. Guys, it's Miller time for Zach Wolchuk, Vox Lombardi, Brian Broadus, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish and Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from all of us at the draft show. We'll see you next year with more of the.
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A
NFL draft. This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names. Now let's get into the serious stuff. We're talking football fish food, specifically Daisy French onion dip. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices. Also made with some Daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a long standing staple for Taco Tuesday. They also have daisy ranch dip. So get out there and give Daisy French onion dip a try. You will not.