Draft Show: Golden Standard

Summary

The Draft Show: “Golden Standard” (April 10, 2025)

Podcast: The Draft Show
Host: Kyle Yeomans (Dallas Cowboys)
Panel: Zach Wolchuk, Bryan Broaddus, Fox Lombardi (Voch), Chris Beam (producer)
Theme: In-depth Dallas Cowboys/NFL Draft analysis, with a focus on final draft board preparations, prospect tiers, team strategies, and predicted scenarios in the first two rounds.

---

Overview

With just two weeks remaining until the 2025 NFL Draft, the Draft Show crew discusses the Dallas Cowboys’ mindset and decision points. The episode is a deep dive into draft strategy: how the team should approach “muddy” position groups, how to gauge positional value versus need, the risk of being leapfrogged by other teams, and which prospects are realistic and ideal targets at #12 and #44 overall. The discussion features smart philosophical debates on best-player-available versus need, analysis of top draft prospects at major Cowboys needs (WR, RB, OL, DB), and calls out common misconceptions from mock draft season.

---

Key Topics and Insights

---

1. Draft Board Dynamics: Draft Prep, “Lying Season,” and Uncertainty

Timestamps: 00:37–03:18

• Last-minute board movement: Teams are finalizing boards, but “muddy” at spots like cornerback, wide receiver, and defensive tackle.
• Coaches vs. scouts dynamic: Coaches’ input can clarify or complicate decisions at this stage.
• Quote:

  "As you start to compare now, you'll get the coaches involved. That can make things really smooth or really confusing." – Zach Wolchuk (01:36)

• Negotiating positional cutoff points: The team weighs how deep into the draft they feel comfortable addressing each position.
  E.g., Wide receiver urgency before Round 2, but comfortable with later picks at running back or corner.

---

2. Mapping Draft “Cutoff Points” for Each Position

Timestamps: 03:18–06:51

• Debate on when to stop looking for prospects at each need. For example, is it worth taking a WR after Round 2, or is the value gone?
  • “Third round safety and down is nonsense. But fifth round corner is fine.” – Bryan Broaddus (05:05)
  • Strength can still be a strength: high-graded players should be considered even if not immediate needs.
• Example: Even with a “full” O-line, would the team take a top lineman in the early rounds if great value slipped?

---

3. Assessment of the Offensive Line & Guard Depth

Timestamps: 06:07–07:46

• Discussion on O-line depth; how recent additions (e.g., Sadiq Charles) may impact draft focus. Don’t dismiss young veterans or training-camp competition but stay flexible for upside.
• “How many of these [current roster] guys can push some of those guys off? How many of those guys wouldn't even matter to the guys we have on the roster?” – Voch Lombardi (06:31)
• Charles viewed primarily as a “competitive body” for preseason evaluation—veteran protection for backup QBs during camp.

---

4. Strategic Moves: What Other Teams Might Do

Timestamps: 09:12–15:00

• San Francisco (picking just before Dallas): Could target the same RB/DT/CB prospects as Dallas.
• Chicago Bears: Two picks ahead of Dallas in the second round are “dangerous”—could snipe “very good” RB prospects.
• New Orleans & Denver: Cautioned as trade-up or wild card candidates who might jump ahead of Dallas.
• Draft’s “positive wild card”: More QBs than expected going Round 1 could push desirable non-QBs down the board to Dallas at #44.
• Memorable moment:

  “That’s best-case scenario. …If three quarterbacks go before you’re on the clock at 12, does a team like Pittsburgh get antsy? Maybe the phone rings.” – Kyle Yeomans (14:31)

---

5. Debating Star Prospects & Media Narratives (WR/RB Values)

Timestamps: 15:19–23:12

• Higher Value on “Elite Talent”: Some top players (e.g., Ashton Gentry, Ted McMillan, Matthew Golden) are simply not likely to fall as far as mock drafts suggest, regardless of positional value.
• “He was never going to get to you at 12. It was a pipe dream.” – Zach Wolchuk on Ashton Gentry (17:19)
• Teams “suck at drafting”—expect some teams to make bizarre or “random” picks that push better players down (happens every year).
  • “I hate a perfect mock draft. Goofy picks make a lot of sense…one day we gonna wake up and go, what? You mean Cole Strange went in the first round?” – Bryan Broaddus (22:51)

---

6. Who Will Be the Cowboys’ Pick at 12? Prospects & Position Debates

Timestamps: 52:56–61:38

• Consensus Names:
  • Ted McMillan (WR): The “common sense” pick if available.
  • Matthew Golden (WR): Distinct possibility; some think Cowboys might rate him higher than McMillan.
  • Will Johnson (CB): Should be considered if both WRs are gone.
• Why Golden? He offers “separation speed” the current WR room lacks.
  “Golden gives you a different element—they do not have a separator.” – Zach Wolchuk (61:01)
• Why McMillan? Elite red-zone and contested-catch ability. “He’s so much better…other than just the 40-yard dash…I’m taking McMillan over anything Golden’s giving me.” – Fox Lombardi (57:49)
• Pros and cons discussed in detail, with much respect for both skill sets and fit.
• Cowboys’ 30-visit and combine “double-overlap”: Both Golden and McMillan had formal combine and 30 visits—a rarity and suggestion that these are the true finalists.

---

7. Running Back Scenario: Hampton at 12? Second Round Target Wipeouts

Timestamps: 29:40–37:46

• Amarion Hampton at #12? Panel consensus: Very unlikely, would be a surprise. Player is good, but not enough positional value.
• If top RBs are gone by #44, don’t reach for lower-tiers; be aware of risk of being left with “good” not “very good” options—urgency may prompt unanticipated pick at #12.
• Top four RBs by consensus: Gentry, Johnson, Hampton, Henderson.
• “This is why they would take him at 12. They feel like if their best guy’s off the board, and they don’t want to take a chance, they don’t want to wait.” – Bryan Broaddus (36:19)

---

8. Underrated Day 2/Day 3 Gems, QB, and EDGE Options

Timestamps: 40:54–48:02

• QB sleepers: Dylan Gabriel (Oregon) praised for accuracy and adaptability; Curtis Rourke (Indiana) mentioned for tough, pocket-passing style.
• Day 3 EDGE options:
  • Q Robinson (Alabama): “pass rusher, standing linebacker, bendy as all get out, bursty as hell.” – Voch (46:09)
  • Ahmad Hassanin (Boise State): “The Egyptian Cowboy”—raw but intriguing upside.
  • Elijah Roberts (SMU), Johnny Walker Jr (Mizzou): Both noted as late-round fits with upside.
  • Break after extensive listing of fifth- and sixth-round defensive ends.

---

9. Audience Q&A: Rapid-fire Scenarios and Philosophy

Timestamps: 29:38–48:10

• Twitter on the 20: Fans ask about possibility of Amarion Hampton at #12, who the 49ers might snipe, and underrated QBs/EDGEs.
• Quote: “As soon as you think we're safe at 44, that's when Marshawn Nevil goes off the board. How’d we get here?” – Bryan Broaddus (52:50)

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mock Draft Silliness:
  • “…Teams suck at drafting. I hate a perfect mock draft where all the picks are perfect. Goofy picks and mock drafts make a lot of sense, because one day we gonna wake up and go, what? You mean Cole Strange went in the first round?” – Bryan Broaddus (22:50)
• Positional Value Realism:
  • “Third round safety and down is nonsense. But fifth round corner is fine. Fifth round running back is fine…” – Bryan Broaddus (05:05)
• Media Narrative Critique:
  • “…You could fight me all you want about running back positional value and all that crap. The idea is to take the best player in the draft.” – Zach Wolchuk (17:34)
• Cowboys-Specific Draft Reality:
  • “Cowboys are probably the most covered team when it comes to the NFL Draft. Teams look at the work that's done here... It's terrifying to know all that information’s going out, but the Cowboys are OK with that.” – Zach Wolchuk (38:46)

---

Timestamps for Major Segments

• Draft Board & Lying Season: 00:37–03:18
• Positional Value/Cut-off Round Debates: 03:18–07:46
• Looking at Other Teams' Draft Tactics (SF/CHI/NO): 09:12–15:00
• Star Prospects and the Fallacy of Mocks: 15:19–23:12
• Audience Q&A (Twitter on the 20): 29:40–48:10
• Predictions for Cowboys at #12: 52:56–61:38

---

Conclusion & Episode Takeaway

This episode delivered an unfiltered look at Cowboys' possible draft approaches, honing in on value vs. need and realistic scenarios in rounds 1–2. The panel collectively doubts any board will fall "perfectly" and they expect surprises both beneficial and damaging. The strongest consensus: WR is the most likely #12 pick—Ted McMillan is the “common sense” choice if he falls, but Matthew Golden is a fast-riser who fits an urgent team need for separation and play speed. Expect the Cowboys’ decision to hinge on which one they genuinely prefer if both are there, and don’t rule out a cornerback like Will Johnson. The running back conversation is one of value, urgency, and timing: don’t expect Dallas to force a pick, but beware a run on RBs cleaning out their targets by #44.

Throughout, the hosts mix humor, candor, and experience (“teams suck at drafting!”), offering fans both reassurance and a realistic barometer for draft-day emotions.

---

If your time is short, skip right to:

• (29:40) Twitter on the 20: Quick-hitting answers on prospects and board strategies
• (52:56) Full panel predictions for Cowboys’ #12 overall pick
• (17:34) Zach’s passionate defense of best-player-over-position-value

---

Want even more draft coverage?
Join their live fan Q&A event April 17th at the Fan Showroom in Dallas – open to all fans and all questions!

Transcript

[Julian Edelman]

Lowe's knows Sundays are for football, so tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, Select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products and more. Then once your to do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax and enjoy the game. Shop in store or online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official partner of the NFL.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft show.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Your war room for insider news and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco. And now your host, Kyle Yeomans. Today is Thursday, April 10, 2025, and we are two weeks out, 14 days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome into the draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. We have Zach Wolchuk, Brian Broadest, Fox Lombardi with Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Two weeks out. This is when things start getting really real. You start taking your final notes. Teams are getting together, they're looking at their boards. Brian, nerve wracking time of year because now it's lying season even more so you start seeing all those mock drafts and all the different craziness that could possibly ensue when you're two weeks out, what are we thinking is happening across the hallway?

[Zach Wolchuk]

You're just ready to get this damn thing over with, get it done? Yeah. At this point in time, I mean, no. And I say that with tongue in cheek. To me, this is where, you know, maybe there's some positions that you're really, really not totally comfortable with that you've gone through. And you know, there's a lot of positions that you can say, okay, it's A, B, C and D. And there's some positions on this board right now that there's probably going to be a little bit more conversations, probably a little bit more discussion, probably a little bit more disagreement, probably a little bit more. If, you know, you're the general manager, director of player personnel, you're going to say, are you really sure about that? You know, and as you start to compare now, you'll start to get the coaches involved here. And that can make things either really smooth or really confusing. And so, you know, we've, we've heard from Brian Schottenheimer that he's really interested in the scouts doing their job and the coaches doing their job. If that's the case, then a lot of discussions will come down. Yeah, you want your opinion of your coaches and stuff like that, but you don't want them to muddy the situations here. A lot of these guys have not been in the NFL and so, you know, they know what the NFL, what it's all about. But you have to know about a level of player. You have to know who the Giants are playing with, what the Eagles are playing with, with the. With the commanders are playing with. So scouts doing their job. But there's. There's still some discussions. We get down to that final week, it's going to be more about talking about mock drafts and pot the pitfalls or the abilities to go up or to go back, and you can make those determinations. But right now there's still some discussions about some positions that are pretty kind of muddy. When you look at cornerback, wide receiver, I think a little bit, and then maybe even the. The defensive tackle group, I think is a little bit of a muddy position for some teams right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

No. What? Brian, you just said something that made me think about something and boy, I hope this is on topic because, boy, the chat hate when I get off.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Topic, but I get off topic.

[Brian Broadus]

I'm sorry. But. But this made me think about the draft last year. Right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

We clearly, you know, running back was on the table.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yep.

[Brian Broadus]

But running back kept getting pushed back.

[Julian Edelman]

Sure did.

[Brian Broadus]

And what they came out and said to us was we got to a point in the draft to where the running back that we could have got wasn't better than Rico.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He's not here any longer, so you can throw that out the window.

[Brian Broadus]

Sure.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

So what I'm wondering now with this board and maybe we'll do it next week or the next show, whatever. I wonder what point in the draft at each of these unit groups are we going? Oh, we don't have to take Mitchell Evans, the center, because we got such and such at home. You know, like, like what round do we not look at guys anymore?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are you cutting that off? Like, what's the furthest that should stretch for you?

[Brian Broadus]

So I was having a conversation. If we looking at wide receiver and wide receiver is an emergency, we would all say.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Brian Broadus]

I'm really not looking past round two for real. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm trying to get one of those first round guys, maybe best Royals A manor. I'm looking at those guys. But man, when I get down to like Kobe Hudson or something. Right? Yeah, man, I kind of got, you know, let's, you know, Flournoy is here, so maybe we can try to develop him as opposed to going that route. So I wonder Maybe one day we'll just map out, like, not do a mock draft, but map out a mock draft. Where do we stop looking at receivers? Where do we start looking at offensive tackles? Where do we stop looking at running? I think that'll be interesting to look at.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I do want to do that with a little bit of studying because I want everybody to kind of bring in their own specific topic of like, okay, I've gotten it to the third round before. I've gotten it to the fourth round in this position, whereas the other one, I. I may not even look outside of the first. If it's a specific position in the first round, I'm not looking at it.

[Brian Broadus]

Because third round safety and. And down is nonsense. But fifth round corner is fine. Fifth round running back is fine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Totally fine.

[Brian Broadus]

You know, fourth. Fifth round, you know, edge is cool to me. Fourth round wide receiver I may not be the biggest fan of. So I think that'll be, you know, something interesting to, you know, maybe hear what they got to say about it. They won't tell us, but, you know, just, you know, us as draft show guys, we can probably talk about.

[Fox Lombardi]

Well, it could be a good question, like day three, when we get the scouts and coaches in here, you know, when do you look at that? I mean, I'm always. For a strength can still be a strength. Right. If you have a player that's graded really high, why not just take them?

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

I mean, do they have a need? When they took CD Lamb, 17 overall a few years ago at wide receiver, you still had Gallup at the time. You still had Amari Cooper at the time. But then they did end up really needing CD Lamb because you move on from Amari Cooper and then he ends up being your wide receiver one.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

So to me, it's just, you got to trust the process. You got to trust your board. And even if you're not seeing like, man, I got a blinking light, I feel good about safety. If an Andrew Makuba is there in round two, you feel like he can be an improvement for you, go ahead and take that guy. I think that's how you are able to be a consistently good drafting team.

[Brian Broadus]

And then we could just make this recent news pardon touch you again. My bad recent news. Right. So now we have this. This guard room of Hoffman and Bass and Charles is here. So I think we all agree, like Tyler Booker, you know, Donovan Jackson kind of sweeps all that, and some of those guys will have to go. But if we get down to round four, some or five, and Luke Kandra's there. Yeah, we got a lot of those guards here already, so let's.

[Fox Lombardi]

A hell of a name. I like that name.

[Brian Broadus]

Poll Cincinnati. You know what I'm saying? So. So, yeah, so maybe we wouldn't look at those guys because we got a room full of guards now. Somebody said, yo, Vash, we got 12 offensive linemen on the roster right now. I say, damn, how many of these guys can push some of those guys off? How many of those guys wouldn't even matter to the guys we have on the roster?

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah, because, I mean, is Sadiq Charles gonna necessarily make the roster?

[Brian Broadus]

Oh, no.

[Fox Lombardi]

Like, these are competitive bodies.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. I think with the thing with Charles, you got to look at him. And I know Vaj and I had this conversation last night on our podcast was that I think Charles is brought in here to make sure that Joe Milton has the ability to stand up upright on preseason games.

[Fox Lombardi]

That's a great point.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You don't want to. You do not want to have him. You do not want to evaluate a position, especially quarterback, where your guy is. And, and no, no def. No disrespect to. To Isaac Alicon or anybody like that, but you know, when you've got guy out there struggling his ass off to try and block a gu a down the line, sixth or seventh round edge and all, or a tackle or something like that, and your quarterback is getting sacked every player, you can't get plays off. You can't evaluate your players. So this is a guy to me, that is a veteran player who's made starts. We'll see. Hopefully you hit something here. But he is really to play preseason games in the second half and been able to keep your quarterback upright so you can evaluate him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There was an expectation before he retired in the middle of training camp last year that he would be the starting right tackle for Tennessee. I mean, there was a thought that absolutely the starting right tackle. So I don't want to write him off entirely as 25 years old, make the team. He's been in the league since 2020, spent the 35 games or so with Washington. He's played decent football, but he's going to have to earn that spot. And it goes back to what Vacha is saying is, what point do you look at offensive line? And you say, man, you know what? We've already got Sadiq Charles here. We've already got some guys here that we feel comfortable with. But hey, if Will Campbell falls or if something else happens in the second round, one of these other offensive lineman that you could Particularly like even though it might not be the number one need at that point in time, it's still enough to say, hey, maybe this is something we can kind of build some depth around and try and work it. So I do like the conversation. Let's do it on your next show. Let's get deeper into that and kind of map out where we would stop in certain positions because we feel comfortable one way or the other. But kind of along the same lines, you have to look elsewhere too. You got to self scout yourself and what you're doing in your scouting department, but you also got to see what other teams are doing as well. I kind of want to take a look around the NFL for a little bit in this first segment. What are some of these other teams going to do not only just in the first round but throughout the draft? Zach, as we look at maybe some of these teams that have some set in stone picks in the first round but may not be your best friend when you're picking at 40 and 70 and some of these other spots in front of you that could possibly take some of your talent.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah, San Francisco right in front of you can can be concerning in a couple of areas. Kyle Shanahan this week gave a positive Update on Christian McCaffrey, but then also said they're always looking to draft running back. So that's a team you got to kind of watch out for. Now they took Isaac Garrindo, who was a draft show darling a year ago, out of Louisville in the fourth round, but that's another team there. When you look at some of these running backs, you don't take one at 12, at 44 right in front of you. Is San Francisco also going to be looking at a Caleb Johnson If Marion Hampton sounds like he's probably not going to make it the closer we get to the draft. Now I wouldn't be surprised if three running backs ended up going in the I think Trayvon Henderson is a guy and I preached this probably two months ago that I think could creep into the first round as well. So San Francisco is a team second round, third round. If you wait on the running backs, you got to look at them right in front of you there. Chicago could be another team like that. I also think I've heard San Francisco could be looking at defensive line. Walter Nolan's a player that they might have their eye on as early as the first round there right in front of you. There's been some whispers in this building. There's a lot of love for Walter Nolan. Is that a player that they'd be considering. So when you look at some defensive linemen, I think running back, that team right in front of you in the 49ers could be a team to watch out for that could end up maybe picking some of your guys. Right. Right before you're on the clock.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they're kind of in a similar situation though, right, Brian? When you look at it happen and talent and having to get rid of your top guys.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I keep an eye on the Chicago Bears, especially in the second round. If they miss out on Ashton Genty, there's talk about them going to getting a running back in the second round. Caleb Johnson is a name that I've heard quite prevalent there with the Bears. So if you're a team that's sitting there like Dallas at 44 and you're thinking running back might be the last running back that you really, really, really like, then I'm talking about. And when we break down tears, we'll get into that. I got the very goods and the goods. The very goods are in the second round. The goods are in the third round. You know, so if you want to sit there and have to go from very good at 44 to dip it into good, that might be the Chicago Bears with Caleb Johnson a possibility or a running back. Whatever running back. I'd keep an eye on the Bears right ahead of you at 44, and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They have two picks there. They have one at 39 and they have one at 41. So they're right in front of you twice if they don't get Genty or I don't think see them taking Hampton at 10. But wherever they end up being 39 and 41, that could be a one, two punch where you're not feeling great.

[Fox Lombardi]

They could use that to trade back into the back end of the first round if they want to. I mean, Trayvon Henderson, could that be a Jameer Gibbs like asset for a guy like Ben Johnson who took him early in Detroit?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, I think they're. I think they're holding on Genty, and depending on what happens with the. With the Raiders ahead of them, could be a possibility. The Denver Broncos are a team actually behind you. I'm just thinking about running backs potentially in the second round. The Denver Broncos are a team that could come up behind from behind you. We've talked about San Francisco's. San Francisco is a wild card in this thing because San Francisco is not afraid to trade, to move, to get out. They got. They need picks, they need players. They're trying to rebuild Their team. I'd be really, really conscious of teams ahead of you that are willing to move. And like I say, the Broncos could be with Sean Payton. We've seen him make big swings, very aggressive to get up a board. And if he knows you're sitting on again on a running back at 44. Here's my running back speech, because I kind of feel like you're looking at maybe a wide receiver at 12. If you're going to sit there in Dallas's war room and you're going to hold on a running back at 44, there's teams ahead of you. When there's a team behind you that could certainly know what your game plan is. And Dallas has been jumped before in these drafts, you know, and lost players that way. So Denver's another team, Bears ahead, Denver behind. Be aware of those teams.

[Fox Lombardi]

And they've been jumped by division teams. Another one that I think is a wild card is New Orleans. And now New Orleans has a lot of familiarity with kind of what you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, who's their head coach, right.

[Fox Lombardi]

Kellen Moore, Doug Nuss, Myers their offensive coordinator. And New Orleans basically needs everything. They could go in any direction. They might go quarterback there at nine, but if they don't, I mean, are they looking at a corner? Are they looking at an edge? Could they go offensive line? That's another team that kind of has an idea of maybe what you would be looking for based on having familiarity. And they're picking a couple spots ahead of you in every round as well.

[Brian Broadus]

Run on running back is what you're looking for, you know, and, and, and y' all basically said it perfectly. So I won't, you know, add there, but, but I will say this. That's like the negative of what could happen with the teams around you. I think the positive that we should be, you know, that we could be mentioning there is like more quarterbacks are just rumoredly, you know, so, hey, bump a guy down, if you will. I don't know who the hell said it, but they was like, hey, Jalen Milroe said, yes, I will be in Green Bay.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

So that was Dane Brugler.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah, Dane said, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's not going to hang around to pick 44 in Green Bay to be there live. So we can only imagine he's going to be a first round guy. So if we're looking at pick 44, all those guys that's in that 20 range that we like, they could end up there for us, you know, so that's a positive thing. That can happen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That would be best case scenario. I remember Malik Davis, the Liberty or not Malik Davis, Malik Willis, the Liberty.

[Fox Lombardi]

Went to the Titans.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he was third round there for that. That day, that draft. He was in the building. It wasn't at Radio City at that point, but wherever that draft was and he ended up going in the third round and was watching the rest of it.

[Brian Broadus]

Fire your agent dog, you sit around.

[Fox Lombardi]

Happened to Will Levis too a couple.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Years ago and you know, early second, though.

[Fox Lombardi]

He went early second. He did, but thought he was going to go in the first round. Thought maybe he could be a top 10 pick and that could help you. If these running backs do go, let's say, or if these quarterbacks go, let's say Tennessee takes one, maybe Shador Slides, New Orleans, Jackson Dart like are the jets in the business there at seven all of a sudden? If you have three quarterbacks that go before you're on the clock there at 12. Yeah. Does a team like Pittsburgh get a little antsy? One of these other teams that maybe they like a Milroe, does that help your case? If you're looking to trade back now all of a sudden maybe the phone can ring and you can go ahead and maximize that opportunity.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I kind of feel like that Sanders is going to end up with the Saints at nine is where I think. I think Dart's the next pick. I think. I think Pittsburgh is becoming comfortable with Dart. Okay. So I don't know about them. I think Pittsburgh's going to sit and wait on that one is where I would go. Let me try and sell you guys on another idea before. How interested are you in a corner?

[Fox Lombardi]

I'm interested.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Okay. How interest are you in revelation the corner from.

[Fox Lombardi]

I'm very interested.

[Brian Broadus]

Okay.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Like first round. I know I have him as a first round. Great.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He would be great.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Dr. Cooper did the surgery here. Cowboys are going to have some information on this guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

If you're holding on him, say potentially at at 44 because you think it's a blue star special cowboy injury thing. Watch the Raiders right ahead of you there. Because the Raiders, they were 32nd in pass in past defense last year. They're going to add corners. You know, there's going to be some guys that you're going to try and wait on. I don't think you can. I mean, like I say, he would be ideal for me and you know, because that would be a first round corner off my board. And the Cowboys did bring this guy in for a 30 visit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I think that's the one team you got to navigate. Just kind of hearing that. Listen, we're looking at him pretty strong and so at 30 with their 32nd ranked pass defense, if you're sitting on him, be ready that you might not get your guy there. If that's the case, you might need to look at one of these other.

[Fox Lombardi]

They just released a corner too, so that's a good point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm glad you brought up Las Vegas because I have another wild card team and it affects Las Vegas specifically. If we had to guess right now, all four of us sitting here on this table, who would go and pick Ashton Genti in the top 10, who would your guest be?

[Fox Lombardi]

Vegas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They'd be the Vegas Raiders, right?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Vegas Raiders. Vegas Raiders.

[Brian Broadus]

Better be Vegas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's a little bit of noise that Jacksonville could take him at 5.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Sure.

[Brian Broadus]

I don't hate it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's a thought process that they like him a lot. They haven't reported a single 30 visit.

[Brian Broadus]

But new England should take like all those guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All those guys should take him. So Genti could be off the board for Vegas at six.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So let me ask you that question. You talked about corner in the second round for them at 37. Could you turn around and say, okay, Vegas is on the board. They didn't get their guy in the first round because Jacksonville snuck under to their nose, took them at 5. Could that be another team to circle and say, oh, they may take a running back from right in front of you at 44?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Oh, sure. No, absolutely, absolutely.

[Fox Lombardi]

Like if they were to go Will Johnson out of Michigan or Johnny Baron.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Out of Texas, grab a guy, they may trade back at that point, you.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Know, we've been doing this since January. Chinty was never going to get to Dallas at 12. If you watch this draft and you really see he's one of the top three players in this draft, why would.

[Brian Broadus]

He fall to 12?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I mean, people are.

[Fox Lombardi]

Position value.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You kept mocking and I'm like, guys, gals, it's one of the top three players in this draft regardless of position. You could sit there and fight me all you want about running back, positional value and all that crap. The idea is to take the best player in the draft. That's the idea. And when you start to talk about Hunter, Carter, Genti, those are some of the three best players in the draft. He was never going to get to you at 12. We should not be surprised that all of a sudden, you know, I mean, everybody's like, gosh, well, Gent, yeah, when you're one of the best players in this draft. And it doesn't surprise me that New England's talking about him at 4, that Jacksonville's talking about his 5. That's where he should damn be picked. Regardless of the position, he's one of the best players in this draft. He was never going to get to you at 12. It was a pipe dream. You know, everybody's, oh, mock him. Mock him. No. Media scouts finally caught up to the bet. One of the best players in the draft.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

When they, when you sat down and studied everything and you started talking to all your buddies, your guys and gal friends around the league, they tell you, man, this Chinty is a hell of a player. I don't think we've seen one like him in a while.

[Brian Broadus]

And then, Brian, honestly, man, teams suck at drafting. I get this.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. You should make a T shirt of that.

[Brian Broadus]

I will.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm shocked you haven't already.

[Zach Wolchuk]

NFL's a strange lady. And team suck at draft.

[Brian Broadus]

Team suck at.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

McMillan shouldn't be in a conversation at 12.

[Fox Lombardi]

Oh, no, I, I, I agree. I think McMillan, he should be gone. He's a top five player for me.

[Brian Broadus]

How, how come all of us can just, oh, this, this, this T. Mac here, boy, it's a top. Yeah, you know, whatever guy to me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But then when we were putting him in the 20s, when we hear media.

[Brian Broadus]

Guys come out, oh, I think he'll be perfect for the Ravens. Like the Ravens where the Ravens trade nothing. Go get him. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not buying this new noise, that golden McMillan and, and, you know, Burden. They're just not talented enough to be top 10 guys or top 12 guys. My, my, my board, Vash Lombardi's board. I'm keeping them first round talents. I'm taking them sixth overall, you know, just six. Best guy on my board.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Sure.

[Brian Broadus]

I'm not gonna lean into this new. Oh, Hampton is gonna go 12, but McMillan's gonna go 19. Please, Mel.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I ran into Barry Church on the way back down here. On the way down to the studio, I ran into Barry. He just finished up on Players lounge. He stopped me. He goes, I got a question for you. He said, said, Ted McMillan's not going.

[Zach Wolchuk]

To be there at 12, right.

[Brian Broadus]

He shouldn't be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And this is a guy who spent his days and made a living trying to slow down guys like Ted McMillan. And he's like, there's no way he's going to be there at 12, right. Well, that's the thought process Right. Is that some people, the media side of things, are saying, man, this is going to be a guy that's going to slip a little bit. And we showed a scenario where he could slip in our mock draft. I just don't see him even getting to that point.

[Brian Broadus]

If Genty goes to the Jags or whatever. Right. And you're Vegas, man, why would you not give Geno somebody to throw the ball to with Bowers and make this young pass catching court? Like, why would you not. Like, why would you look and go, no, we're gonna go with the edge that people got questions about, or the corner that people got questions about.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The injured corners, the injured corner.

[Brian Broadus]

I'm not buying this new nonsense. So Cowboy fans, get ready. If common sense prevails, T. Mac shouldn't be there. So you better watch some golden film and get rid of him just in case.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah. And Matthew golden here in the building today. The reports were. I've been that he's been here, but I do think the stuff with McMillan is real. I think it is.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I need your Dax scouting report here. At the end of the day, I.

[Fox Lombardi]

Think it is possible McMillan's there. I think also, I mean, do some teams look at a Tyler Warren and say they think he's the best pass catcher?

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah, for them, I think that's nice. There's two people looking at Warren over McMillan, but I ain't gonna say nothing else.

[Fox Lombardi]

I love Tyler Warren. I've got McMillan as my fourth best player, but I got Tyler Warren as my seventh. Okay, I'm not here for the Tyler Warren slander.

[Brian Broadus]

I'm not slandering them, but, like, if you had to pick one of the.

[Fox Lombardi]

I'd take McMillan.

[Brian Broadus]

You go pick the wire receiver.

[Fox Lombardi]

But I could see teams with the impact and the mismatch problems that tight ends have. And you just saw the Brock Bowers, you know, blowing up everything. Last year as a rookie, I could see some teams falling in love with Tyler Warren as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just don't. I don't know if Brock Bowers is the exception, not the rule type of thing. You know, I think Warren, I like Warren a lot. He's still my top tight end. But I'm not sitting here saying he's going to be Brock Bowers and put that type of expectation on.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Is he Kyle Pitts or is he Brock Bowers? Which one is he? Which one is he?

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, and I liked Kyle Pitts.

[Fox Lombardi]

I think he's different. His playstyle is so different than both. I'd lean more Brock Bowers And Kyle Pitts.

[Zach Wolchuk]

All right. I like what you just did.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who did you have rated higher, though?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I had both those guys higher than that. And I feel like that I made a mistake on Pitts. But you watch him play at Florida. I mean, that he was doing things that. Down the seam, catching balls behind him, over his head, all that stuff like that. He just not. Has not developed into what I thought he would. But that Brock Bowers has made me a real scout again.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ask every fantasy football owner ever. Everybody's made a mistake on Kyle Pitts once or twice.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Ward's a really good player, though. I wouldn't take him to the top 10 myself. But I appreciate. I appreciate you standing on the table for me.

[Brian Broadus]

But I'll say this, though. You want a good laugh, like a good pin throw, you know, we just hating on mocks. Don't mess around and let Coastal loveland go, like, 14 or something. But I'm gonna get a good laugh about the.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The.

[Brian Broadus]

The better players bumping down the board for us when they take coast and Loveland too high. I saw him in the mic. He was. He was going like 11 or something. Like, boy, y', all, that's gross.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You're. You're overthinking that. Just take Mason Taylor and move.

[Brian Broadus]

I don't think.

[Fox Lombardi]

No, Brian.

[Zach Wolchuk]

No, no, no, Brian.

[Brian Broadus]

No, Brian, listen, I'm not.

[Fox Lombardi]

I get it.

[Brian Broadus]

Listen. I get it, Brian. I love mock drafts like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

You know why?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

Because teams suck at drafting. I hate a perfect mock draft where all the picks are perfect.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

Goofy picks and mock drafts make a lot of sense, because one day we gonna wake up and go, what? You mean Cole Strange? Win the first round.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah. That's real talk.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

Cleveland Farrell at 4.

[Fox Lombardi]

You'll get a rando.

[Brian Broadus]

Team suck. They gonna take coast and Loveland, and we're gonna have a good laugh. Wilchuck.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That's why. Mark. I'd love it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mike's gonna push out players.

[Brian Broadus]

Let him bump down the board. I'll take it.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That's why.

[Brian Broadus]

Mike.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Mark, Mike Mayock's working for Westwood One radio.

[Brian Broadus]

Now. Shout out to Mike Mayo. Sorry, Kyle. I don't mean to scream on your show while you're trying to direct sideswiping people.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's not give a Westwood One a bad rep here.

[Brian Broadus]

They do.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Oh, I love Westwood One. I'm just saying that Mike Mayock is working for Westwood One right now. He's not being a general manager. Not at a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not at a table.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, let's take our first break. We've got Twitter on the 20. Coming next with more Westwood wins radio. So talk about it later.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Come on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Talk about it later. Or the draft show right after this.

[Brian Broadus]

Got fired, I guess.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names. Now let's get into the serious stuff. We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French onion dip.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That is serious.

[Julian Edelman]

Gotta try these delicious new dips from Daisy. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices and other ingredients you'll find in your kitchen. Also made with some Daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a long standing staple for Taco Tuesday.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know what I do when I get my street burrito?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I get the squirt Daisy. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And every bite.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I know you. I know you.

[Julian Edelman]

I'm a huge sour cream guy. I love sour cream. So I think burritos can't live without sour cream.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I completely agree with that.

[Julian Edelman]

They also have Daisy Ranch diploma dip. I love ranch.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah, that's great.

[Julian Edelman]

I love it with crackers, wings, plain potato chip, the ones with the little crinkles, maybe some bell peppers. So get out there and give Daisy French onion dip a try. You will not regret it. Lowe's knows Sundays are for football, so tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products and more. Then once your to do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax and enjoy the game. Shop in store or online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official partner of the NFL.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Life is a workout. Smoothie King is here to help you power through. Whether you're maxing out overhead presses, pushing through chest flies, or being the hero your golden retriever needs to carry them over that scary bridge, Rich Smoothie King has the fuel to help you go all out, build muscle and boost your recovery with 45 grams of protein, 0 grams of added sugar, and delicious customizable ingredients in the Gladiator Smoothie. Available in chocolate, strawberry and vanilla only at Smoothie King. Hi. Drew Pearson, former Dallas Cowboy and now.

[Brian Broadus]

Pro Football hall of Famer here.

[Fox Lombardi]

If you're struggling with your vision and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tired of those contacts and glasses, don't.

[Brian Broadus]

Throw a Hail Mary.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go where I lasercare Eye center, the official LASIK partner of the Dallas Cowboys.

[Brian Broadus]

Drew, thank you so much for trusting us with your vision correction procedure. At LaserCare Eye center, we offer six different vision correction procedures to help patients see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Check them [e-mail] tell them Drew sent you.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Hood.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hood.

[Fox Lombardi]

I'm Dak Prescott, quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And they snap it to Prescott, who looks right.

[Brian Broadus]

It's not there.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He escapes. Left, left.

[Brian Broadus]

He'll run for a first down.

[Fox Lombardi]

Just like football.

[Zach Wolchuk]

When it comes to crypto, it's important.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To have a team you can trust.

[Fox Lombardi]

With blockchain.com I know I'm in good hands.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Since 2011, they've been trusted by millions.

[Fox Lombardi]

Around the world to buy, sell and trade cryptocurrency.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Prescott's going to run this himself. Run it up the middle. And he scores. Whether you're new to crypto or an.

[Fox Lombardi]

Active trader, they've got you covered.

[Zach Wolchuk]

What are you waiting for?

[Fox Lombardi]

Get [e-mail] Cowboys fans, when it comes to navigating the ever changing world of.

[Julian Edelman]

Tech, your business needs a partner it.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Can trust to tackle even your biggest tax challenges.

[Fox Lombardi]

Ryan is the largest firm in the.

[Julian Edelman]

World dedicated exclusively to business taxes. Our team of tax professionals has local expertise in all areas of tax and.

[Fox Lombardi]

Can help you uncover savings opportunities you didn't know you had. Learn more about how Ryan can improve.

[Julian Edelman]

Your overall corporate tax performance by visiting ryan.com Ryan, the official tax partner of.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The Dallas County Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft show. Get excited for the most dazzling DCC experience yet. Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders on tour coming to a theater near you. Witness live performances, enjoy the onstage Q and A session and even be a part of a live audition. If you're in Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, Midland, or El Paso, mark your calendar. For dates and Tickets, visit Dallas cowboyscheerleaders.com tour by the way, that's like a.

[Brian Broadus]

Movie or it's like a. Like a show.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It's like a show.

[Brian Broadus]

Disney on Ice theater.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Disney on Ice.

[Fox Lombardi]

It's a show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like a. Like a travel.

[Fox Lombardi]

Oh, it's going to blow your mind.

[Brian Broadus]

Look at the camera. Say it again.

[Fox Lombardi]

It's a show, baby.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That sounds so creepy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was weird.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

Twitter, you know about that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. So join us as we team up with our friends at 1053 the Fan to talk Cowboys and the draft on Thursday evening, April 17, 7pm in the Fan showroom, 4131 North Central Expressway in Dallas. We're taking care of your dinner from Whataburger. Yeah, baby. Great stuff. Plus, there will be some great giveaways, including this is cool, a Dak Prescott signed jersey. No sign up. Just come on out. We'd love to meet and talk draft with you. So that one's a little bit More draft show.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I can't wait till somebody asks vouch a question with a mouthful of water Burger vos. Well, second round.

[Fox Lombardi]

What are you. I'm a big fan of the laughter.

[Brian Broadus]

I'm gonna call him out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who is the patty melt of this draft?

[Fox Lombardi]

Who's the patty melt?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it spicy with jalapenos? What do we got, sir?

[Brian Broadus]

What that mean?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be like, what does Westwood want?

[Brian Broadus]

Ask all the right questions, man.

[Zach Wolchuk]

What is it?

[Fox Lombardi]

Patty melt.

[Kyle Yeomans]

April 17th. That's next Thursday. So a week from today. Really excited about that. We're all, the entire draft show crew is going to be there. So really excited about it. North Central Expressway, 4131 in Dallas. And it like, like it said, no sign of. Yep, come on out. We've done this last couple of years. It's going to be a blast. So come on out. Bring it.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And even if you're a fan, not a fan of the Cowboys and you're just a fan of the draft, show up. I mean, we'll answer your questions. It ain't just about the Cowboys. I mean, even though we work here for the Cowboys, but we'll answer your draft questions. Your Lions fan, Buccaneers fan, doesn't matter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And wear your jersey so we remember who you are.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah, wear your jersey.

[Zach Wolchuk]

We'll do it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bring your favorite jersey all the way out.

[Fox Lombardi]

We'll sign it for you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Speaking of fan questions, it's time for some Twitter on the 20. That was Chris. 2020 crisp. That was crisp from Chris.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He's getting into. He's getting into draft mid season form, baby.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're right there. We're two weeks out. All right. There's been a lot of buzz around a Marion Hampton.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Michael wants to know it's gaining steam in the mainstream for the pick to be at number 12. How likely is that outcome for the Dallas Cowboys that Hampton, the running back from North Carolina, will be the pick at 12?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I don't think so. Just kind of talking to some folks in the organization. I think that's Mel Kuipers. You have to worry about Mel. I mean, if you really, you know, he did hit the Tyler Smith, you know, pick when nobody really thought that Tyler Smith was going to be here, but just kind of talking to various people in the organization, they said, listen, you know, you don't know until the commissioner walks up to the podium and all that. And way the draft goes, but I don't think he'll be the pick at 12 right now. I know that's a lot of steam and a Lot of this, that and the other. And you know, I, I could. It happened. Sure. Could they draft him at 12 and then turn around at 44 and pick a wide receiver? You know, there's all that possibility, but I got the, I kind of got the, the inclination that that wasn't going to be the case.

[Fox Lombardi]

Who the hell is Mel Kuiper Jr. Don't say that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a legend.

[Fox Lombardi]

That's an old. What was the. Yeah, Bill Tobin.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Bill Tobin.

[Fox Lombardi]

Oh, yeah, they'll talk to your sister, your grandmother, your neighbor.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The one thing about Hampton, and we've kind of learned this in the past as we've talked about Tyler Smith as a second round possibility. We talked about Mozzie Smith as a second round top possibility and kind of written them off as, hey, they're, they're interested. The Cowboys like them. We know that, that all of that can be said about a Marion Hampton. However, those picks were made in the late 20s, whereas this one's at 12. It's a little bit different to have that same kind of mentality, say, hey, this is a guy that. We would love to get it at 44, maybe even trade up to go get him in the early parts of the second round. But for him to be at 12 is still a little bit rich for the position value and for the player himself. I think Hampton's a great player, but I think all of us would sit here and say, man, at 12, you felt like you could have filled another need.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Okay, do this real quick for the sake. Give me. He's picked at 12. Give me a receiver or your defensive tackle at 44 or corner. Yeah, give me, Give me a pair with him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's where I would go with like Trey Harris or Jalen Boyles. Those would. Did you say tackle?

[Fox Lombardi]

You could say wide receiver.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Pick a wide receiver. A tackle or a corner at that. And I just interested to see what your pairing would be and how good you feel about Hampton and then who you got at 44.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, 44. I mean, it would be like TJ Sanders or Walter Nolan. Those are my second round guys that I think would be there. Ty Leak, Williams, maybe. That would be probably a thought process.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It would feel pretty good then if you got Hampton and Tyler Williams in, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, the corners. You have a party.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Would you. You would feel better if it was. I would feel better if it was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Revel.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah. I'd like Ravel. What about Hairston from Kentucky? I'm Hairston. Trey Amos from Ole Miss.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Totally down.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

So I mean, if they did take the guy. If they took Hampton at 12, you feel like you could do pretty good there, right? I mean, me personally, I'd love To see a McMillan Revel combo is what I would love to talk about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Throwing a party.

[Fox Lombardi]

And if you did it, I feel like the Hampton pick would be just to secure you're back.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

Because of everything we just talked about in the opening.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Very good. Very good running backs to the. Opposed to the third round being good running backs. How about that? Yeah, that's kind of how I'd look at it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So are we in agreement here, kind of across the board, that it is likely there's some.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I'm just trying to. Likely I'm trying to. I'm just. I was told it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But you don't think it'll happen.

[Fox Lombardi]

I don't think it's going to happen.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I don't think it's going to happen. But it. You got to make sure, whoever you pair him with, is it going to be a wide receiver or is it going to be defensive tackle or corner? Am I right about that, Vosh?

[Brian Broadus]

That is correct. But I tell you what, man. This team has proven to me that, boy, I just cannot walk in just thinking anything's gonna be a certain kind of way. Cause we'll walk out of day one and day two. Like, how the hell do we get these three guys? It happens every single year. And to Kyle's point, we do end up with these guys that may have twos on their grades, and we're drafting them at the back of the ones. But this class is different. So how many ones do you have? Right. Like, I have 13, but the Cowboys may have eight.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

So by the time we're on the clock, if McMillan is gone, like we say, and Genti is gone and golden is gone because some other team like him and he runs fast, they might be out of ones.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Right?

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah. And now we. All right, guys, who's our best twos? And Hampton might be one of. One of their best twos.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. I don't disagree with you on that. Like I said, I think we'll have to wait. I know just the initial conversation that I had was that. That. No, but you don't know until the thing starts unfolding, you know, where their. Where their grades are. They could see these guys completely different from where we're at right now.

[Brian Broadus]

I love to have him, though.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Hampton's a hell of a player.

[Brian Broadus]

Awesome player.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Awesome player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If we're. I mean, if we're drafting him at 44, I think all of us would. Whatever happened in the first.

[Fox Lombardi]

Tremendous value.

[Zach Wolchuk]

But we wouldn't take him over McMillan. How about even Golden?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably not. I haven't stacked my board like that yet, but probably not.

[Fox Lombardi]

I think those two are much closer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For me, I would put golden above.

[Fox Lombardi]

Him, but I'd probably still. I'd still. I'd still probably take Golden.

[Brian Broadus]

Table. Let me ask y' all this. What is running back round two wiped out look like for y'? All, like, Judkins went 43 or something. You know what I'm saying? And we're left with R.J. harvey and Sampson. You know what I'm saying? What is round two? Running back wiped out.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Looking. It's. Genty's gone. Johnson's gone, Hampton and Henderson's gone. And Henderson's are gone.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yep. That's it for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Those are the four guys. Yep. First two rounds.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And I know some people have Hampton over Johnson, which is cool. I mean, but I'll go either way. There's. But I. That would be wiped out for me. That's why I was talking about Very good. As opposed to good.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah, I think those are the top four guys, clearly.

[Brian Broadus]

Okay, so is Juckins a guy that you would take at 44 in round two?

[Fox Lombardi]

See, I love him at 76.

[Brian Broadus]

Sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

But we would love him at 76. That was what I'm saying. But.

[Fox Lombardi]

But he just.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, he asked you if you take him at 44.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yes. Yeah, I would.

[Brian Broadus]

Juckins and RJ Harvey are kind of like, that's what you left with. And I don't. I don't want to be in that range where. Damn, boy. All the running backs that we like here are gone. So now we got third round graded guys in round two. Do they go? All right, we'll just wait to the third round.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

Jukins, Harvey, Sampson, and they're all gone. SMU kid. And now we have round three. Like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, is that.

[Fox Lombardi]

Is that Devin Neal from Kansas?

[Brian Broadus]

So what I'm saying is to. To keep from getting cute, you may have to reach. What if they walk in this thing going, man, look, bro, by any means necessary, we need to improve running back right now.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

Miles Sanders might not make the team. Sorry. We need to get a running back, and we don't want to reach.

[Zach Wolchuk]

This is why they would take him at 12.

[Brian Broadus]

That's why they would.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You make a case for that. They feel like that their best guy, Genti's off the board, and they don't want to take a chance. They don't want to wait. They don't want to see Sam. Sam Sampson and Junkins and Harvey and Joan James from Oregon. They don't want to see that. Yeah, they want to. You know, they want to make sure that they get their guy.

[Brian Broadus]

Three mock drafts in a row, man. What did he hear?

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, that's what he's talking.

[Zach Wolchuk]

But see, that's. And then, you know, you talk to some folks and they say, I don't see that right now. But then they say, but you never know.

[Fox Lombardi]

Never know.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And. And that's where the never know scares the hell out of me right now.

[Brian Broadus]

Even Daniel Jeremiah came out, said, I'm gonna put Matthew golden right here.

[Fox Lombardi]

But.

[Brian Broadus]

But don't be surprised.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

Well, hey, I mean, what if things got a little crazy and Genti goes to the Raiders call Dane. And then at 10, the Bears took Henderson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, good.

[Fox Lombardi]

And now all of a sudden, there's two running backs that have gone to the top 10, and nobody was expecting that. And now you're on the clock at 12 and you're thinking, holy crap, if we don't pull the trigger on a Marian Hampton here, are we going to get a running back that we feel great about?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Man, we thought it was crazy when Gibbs and Bijan Right. In the top 12. And then you would get three guys going in the top 12.

[Zach Wolchuk]

At that point, would you guys be comfortable picking Johnson from Iowa at 44?

[Fox Lombardi]

Yes.

[Brian Broadus]

For sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Then that. Then we're okay. Yeah, we'll be fine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think so too, because he.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I think he's the one guy that might actually be there.

[Brian Broadus]

If he's there. Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

I mean, he's his. He has not gotten a lot of buc. Was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I do so down.

[Brian Broadus]

That's actually perfect.

[Fox Lombardi]

And I've got him as the two. Number two back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think either way, we're gonna look at our second round pick and feel pretty damn good about it.

[Brian Broadus]

You have to, I think.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right, Right.

[Zach Wolchuk]

No matter.

[Fox Lombardi]

There's a lot of names in 44 that I think we're gonna be really happy about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're gonna be fine at 44.

[Brian Broadus]

Man, Kyle, you say that boy, but the last two. The boy, man. Marshawn Ne. How we get here?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I liked Marshawn Ne.

[Brian Broadus]

I like him, but I ain't like him in the city.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I thought he was at like. I had him as my 36th top guy on my board.

[Brian Broadus]

You better than me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was feeling pretty good. Yeah. Twitter on the 20. The French entry says. I don't know what that means. French. That's probably like an innuendo or something. Picking after the 40 90ers, which Cowboys target is San Francisco most likely to pluck just before they go on the clock? Kind of going along with our conversation. Anyone in that first segment, McMillan. McMillan's that guy.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Take a wide receiver. They absolutely can.

[Brian Broadus]

McMillan Mimbo. They can go, yeah, either one of those guys.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah, they could take Banks. They could go corner. They could go Will Johnson if out of Michigan. They could. I mean, maybe John A. Baron out of Texas.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Texas.

[Fox Lombardi]

And then they could do that every single round. Maybe go a guy that you like.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You're going to be a pain in your ass in San Francisco because of their ability to say, no, we'll just take our guys and don't have a problem with it. Or they'll just say, we'll trade out of there. And people, listen. The Dallas Cowboys are probably the most covered team when it comes to the NFL draft. Teams. Look at the work that's done here. It's not saying it in a bragging way. It's true. It's true. And they look and they say, well, heck, somebody's telling these guys something. And Dallas is going to look at this and look at this. And, oh, look, their 30 visits got posted. And look, we're talking about their 30 visits. It's terrifying to sit in that room and know all that information is going out. But the Cowboys are okay with that? You know, to me, it would be. But anyway, I just kind of feel like that, Sanford, that teams know that they could potentially jump ahead of you with San Francisco and others, you know, because they'll have an idea what Dallas.

[Fox Lombardi]

Is going to do and the local beat is expressing. They've got a lot of love for Walter Nolan, the defensive tackle at Ole Miss. Now, for us, we might be fine with that. Go ahead and take Walter Nolan. Maybe some people with the Cowboys will be thinking, ooh, that's. That's our favorite defensive tackle. That would really sting and hurt us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Oh, you're saying in front like San Francisco, they could go anywhere. That's what makes them a true wild card. I mean, I'm looking on. On my draft spreadsheet as I put together my team needs and things like that. I put down teams that sign top 100 free agents, right? And every team has the at least one name in that line except for one team.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Team San Francisco.

[Kyle Yeomans]

San Francisco. One team they can gotten rid of a ton of.

[Fox Lombardi]

They lost so much.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And they gave up all. They gave up all their top 100 so they can get under the cap or try and sign their quarterback. That's what they've done. Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they could go D tackle, they could go edge, they could go offensive tackle, running back, corner, wide receiver. It doesn't matter.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They could go very similar to the Cowboys. Very similar.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Very similar. Dallas only has one name on that list, by the way. All right, moving from there, anybody watch Jalen Smith, corner from usc? I know we've kind of briefly mentioned him a couple times.

[Fox Lombardi]

I have not watched him. No, I don't. I have not watched the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a Senior bowl cat. He's. It will come Back to it. DC D074. These people that don't have names, we got to get names on these guys.

[Fox Lombardi]

All right.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Nothing wrong with putting your name on your Twitter.

[Fox Lombardi]

The egg people are my favorite.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's best. Give me an underrated quarterback. This is from Mike. Give me an underrated quarterback that you've watched recently. I know you guys have gotten on quarterback.

[Fox Lombardi]

We're talking qb.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Talking QB here. Anybody that sticks out to you? Other than Will Howard.

[Fox Lombardi]

Vod.

[Brian Broadus]

Other than Will Howard, then. No. They all kind of, they're all kind of underwent. Tyler Shuck may get drafted highly.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Brian Broadus]

But that'll mean I would take him as high as I think he'll get drafted.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Oh, look, we got, we got video. We could scout this kid up from USC right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Tell me what you're seeing here.

[Zach Wolchuk]

This is Jalen Smith Beamer throwing him up.

[Brian Broadus]

I see he's running around.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, he looks like he's getting in on a tackle there, but yeah, you know what, I'll tell you what. Somebody is going to draft Dylan Gabriel.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes. Yeah, we haven't had that conversation.

[Zach Wolchuk]

This, this guy is, this guy is so accurate throwing the football. He's short. He's going to be under 6 foot tall. Watch the Miami Dolphins here. You know, watch a team that has a left handed short quarterback for their starter. This guy Dylan Gabriel will be a really nice fit for a team like the Dolphins. You don't have to. You don't have to flip your offense over if something happens. You know, you could still play left handed. So watch Dylan Gabriel potentially ending up with the Miami Dolphins. But I think he's. People are not talking about him near enough. They're talking about his lack of height. Yeah, but you watch him throwing the football right here. It's just the quick release. Smooth, smooth. He could move around the pocket if he could run out of trouble. But yeah, this is, this plays right into what you know, with Mike McDaniel and those guys down there in Miami play with, but we're not talking about him nearly enough. There's. There's a reason why we're talking about Ferguson to tight end there, James the running back, and all these other guys. Because Dylan Gabriel played pretty damn well for Oregon, who was number one in the country for most of the year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm glad you brought him up, because Measurables, they're not necessarily there. No, that's not his strong suit. But when I watched him, I thought he was one of the more technically sound quarterbacks in the draft. He's a robot, and he's done it in different systems, which I thought was really interesting. Ucf, Oklahoma, Oregon, that's pro style. Air raid spread between the three of them. And he's done it differently across the board. So when you look at what he's done and the IQ that he had and the success that he consistently had, whether it was in the American Conference with ucf, yes, they were still in the American, Oklahoma in the Big 12. Yes, they were still in the Big 12. And then Oregon, whenever they jumped to the Big Ten, he had success everywhere and ended up being one of the more decorated quarterbacks in NFL history. A lot of times when you see those records, guys like Case Keenum come to mind. Right? He spent it all at Houston. He was there the entire time in the same system all the way through. Dylan Gabriel became a leaderboard mainstay through three different programs. I think that holds weight for some people.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The last quarterback that came out of Oregon we all didn't like, and he ended up being a really good player for the Broncos.

[Fox Lombardi]

He sure did. He sure did. The other quarterback I'd throw out would be Curtis Rourke, the Indiana kid, because he's got the size and I do like his anticipation. He'll stand in there, he'll take a hit. Now, he's a true pocket passer, this guy. If he's got to go off platform and work outside the structure, good luck. Okay, but when it comes, like the back shoulder throws, he'll make some placement throws from like, man, that dude can zing it. And he'll push the ball down the field. And I was pretty impressed. I mean, you go to a program in Indiana now, the head coach. Google me, right? That dude does win everywhere he goes. But what they did at a new Need a Hoosier team that is not used to winning a ton of football games, really, since Michael Pennix Jr. Left. Curtis Rourke, that could be a guy. Take a flyer on on day three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He has some injury background. I think he tore his acl, so he's got some injury there. But I think you're right whenever it comes to the arm talent. Ashley wants to know best edge possibilities on day three. So going into day three, what are some of those edge guys? I know we talked about the early day, day one, day two guys, but.

[Fox Lombardi]

What about day three?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is there any.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Well, you don't have a day three pick. You know, I mean, I mean the fourth round. The fourth round. So, so what you're thinking about is, you know you're probably going to unless you get one. But I see what they're asking there. But I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So fifth round on who are some names?

[Brian Broadus]

I tell you what, man, once you in this land, like they're all the same kind of guy. So Joey Ivy, Tyler Baron, Tyler Batty from BYU, we watch him.

[Fox Lombardi]

Johnny Walker Jr. Mizzou. I'll continue for him. Joyner, I love him.

[Brian Broadus]

Minnesota Oban from Notre Dame. I mean just kind of pick a guy that's down there. But that goes back to what we were saying earlier. If I want an edge, I kind of want to get him fourth round up. But these guys, they're going to be like, like run stopping dudes. Three Tech sometimes guys, but. But there's some solid dudes.

[Fox Lombardi]

Watch out for our Boise State edge. Ahmad Hassanin, the Egyptian Cowboy.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, it's gonna be cool.

[Brian Broadus]

That's his name.

[Fox Lombardi]

That'll be his name. Yeah, that'll be his name.

[Brian Broadus]

That will be his name.

[Fox Lombardi]

The Egyptian Cowboy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He'll be the first player drafted out of Egypt.

[Fox Lombardi]

Boise State guy. And he's hasn't played a lot of football. It doesn't look like it. That dude's got some Ross talent and some instincts. He was also a Shrine bowl guy. We got to see the size is there for him. He could end up making a team very, very happy. And then Elijah Roberts from smu, maybe some teams want to kick him inside and play defensive tackle. I like Elijah Roberts. He might go a little higher.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I got him. I think he will too. I mean I was, I was kind of thinking, do you have a Q. Robinson voucher? Remind me of Q. Rob, you really liked Q. Robinson out of Alabama, right?

[Brian Broadus]

Hey man, pass rusher, standing linebacker type dude. Doesn't really have all the technique down, but he's bendy as all get out, bursty as hell. And that's kind of what his job is. He ain't really got it all together right now. Sometimes they'll line him up at Linebacker because that's just what he was. But for the most part he's a past rushing edge dude and he wasn't on the field too much.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, I kind of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where did you have him?

[Brian Broadus]

I got him in the fives.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's where I've got him.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, he's kind of one of those guys when you look at him. I mean he, he's played behind some really good players in his career. Dallas Turner, Will Anderson, Chris Braswell and those guys. I mean he was recruited as a safety, believe it or not. 6, 4, 2, 43. But man, he's, he's one of those guys that's got some bend. He's got some flexibility for his high height as well. You know, metrics will tell you too. And the reason why I was curious, Vouch and I were doing this guy, his Win rate at 24% pass rush reps was one of the most. Was one of the better ones in the country. So. Q. Robinson, Alabama, maybe a day three guy, maybe a fourth round guy when this is all said and done.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did you have him in the fourth?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I had him in the fourth.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. See, I've got him in the like early parts of the fifth. But then I think there's a drop off from there because you mentioned some of those guys. Birch, Ivy Baron, Canard. I'm just all over the list here from Robinson. He's kind of my last fifth round grade there. And then it drops to guys like, like Jones and Ingram, Dawkins and Diggs from there. For me, yeah, I think Ingram, Dawkins could possibly get drafted earlier because of the speed and the way that he run or ran at the combine. But there are a couple different things along the way from edge rusher. I just think there's a drop off and a separation.

[Fox Lombardi]

I agree. There's got to be something about Johnny Walker Jr. That I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, we were talked about, we talked about him on Tuesday a little bit because I brought him up guy. I think his tape is fun. It's a system fit.

[Fox Lombardi]

He's gotten better every year. He's got natural bend. I love the first step quickness that he's got. That's a player to me that I think is going to translate and be really good in the NFL.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I agree with you on that one. All right, that does it for us here on Twitter on the 20. Got more than two questions in today.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That worked out good guys.

[Fox Lombardi]

Well done.

[Zach Wolchuk]

All right.

[Brian Broadus]

My fault for talk so much when.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We come back since we're two weeks out.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I want to get talk about that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get some predictions here.

[Brian Broadus]

I'm gonna keep talking to if we.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Had the draft fired, if we had the draft tonight, who would be the pick at 12? Who would end up being that pick in our guessing predictions when we come back with more of the draft show.

[Julian Edelman]

Lowe's knows Sundays are for football, so tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products and more. Then once your to do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax and enjoy the game. Shop in store or online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's official partner of the NFL.

[Fox Lombardi]

Get almost anything you need delivered with Uber Eats.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do we mean by almost?

[Fox Lombardi]

Well, you can't get a well groomed.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Lawn delivered, but you can't get chicken parmesan delivered.

[Fox Lombardi]

A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no.

[Zach Wolchuk]

A burrito bowl? Happily, yes.

[Fox Lombardi]

What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. A box of fine wines?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, that's happening.

[Fox Lombardi]

Delivery on its way okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well then how about some French fries? Yep. A little escape?

[Brian Broadus]

No.

[Fox Lombardi]

A delicious bowl of grapes?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yes. Yes, that.

[Fox Lombardi]

How about a freshly cut log on? Can't help you there, but barbecued prawns? Order it and it's on its way. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. I'm Darren Woodson, former Dallas Cowboy player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And super bowl champion. When I played in the NFL at.

[Fox Lombardi]

A high level, I relied on my vision to see the field. As I started started getting older, I noticed my vision wasn't as good and I was getting frustrated from wearing my glasses all day. I went to Lasercare Eye center and Dr. G talked about all the options. Thanks to Technology and LaserCare Eye Center.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I can see near, far and between.

[Fox Lombardi]

Don't fumble your vision any longer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Visit [e-mail] and tell them Darren sent you.

[Fox Lombardi]

They got me back on my game.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Star Sports Tours is the only official fan travel partner of the Dallas Cast Cowboys, offering exclusive game weekend travel packages.

[Brian Broadus]

With pre game sideline access and photo.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ops with current players, cheerleaders and cowboy legends.

[Brian Broadus]

Want to stay at a team hotel?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Attend the best tailgate party in Texas? Tour the Star and talk X's and O's with me?

[Brian Broadus]

Everson Walls With Star Sports Tours, you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can visit cowboystravel.com to book your travel package today. Life is a workout and Smoothie King is here to help you power through. Whether you're maxing out overhead presses, pushing through chest flies, or being the hero your golden retriever needs to carry them over that scary bridge, Smoothie King has the fuel to help you go all out, build muscle and boost your recovery with 45 grams of protein, 0 grams of added sugar and delicious customizable ingredients.

[Julian Edelman]

In the Gladiator Smoothie.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Available in chocolate strip, strawberry and vanilla only at Smoothie Kit.

[Zach Wolchuk]

How about them Cowboys? Or how about them Tyson Cowboys Nuggets? As we cheer for the stars on the field, we love that we've also got some stars on our plate thanks to Tyson brand star shaped Cowboys Nuggets. That along with all our other favorite Tyson foods products sure make game day special. Score some delicious Tyson Cowboys Nuggets and become a game day star just like our Cowboys. As you enjoy your stars on and off the plate. Remember, tailgates and game day have always been Tyson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft show Cowboys Nation the Cowboys are heading back to Writers field in Frisco, Texas for the 12th annual Reliant Home Run Derby on April 22. Come see your favorite Cowboys players swing for the fences is to raise money for the Salvation Army. Plus meet the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders and rowdy. Admission is free. Gates open at 6pm Seating is first come first serve. Visit Dallas Cowboys.com Reliant HRD for more details. I went into the batting cages yesterday. I've got blisters all over my hands.

[Fox Lombardi]

How'd it go?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not great. I got a little work to do before I had to hit in the media derby. I'm going to hit. I finished twice already. I need to. I need to win this year.

[Fox Lombardi]

I'm too much of a coward. I'd look so goofy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I think you'd look fine.

[Fox Lombardi]

No, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good looking guy.

[Brian Broadus]

Which is it?

[Fox Lombardi]

Don't lie to me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can't be S&BS but yeah, we're two weeks out from the draft. If you had to guess today, gentlemen.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Who would the 12th pick be?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who do you think it would be? Based on your conversations? You're studying two weeks out. I mean, I'll ask you again.

[Brian Broadus]

I'm.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm certain before we get there, probably when we get to pick 10 and I'm like, who's still on your board? Who's your pick?

[Julian Edelman]

Pick?

[Kyle Yeomans]

But right now, as we sit two weeks out, who do you think 12 is going to be?

[Brian Broadus]

Common sense says Ted McMillan. Even better. Common sense says he shouldn't be there because he's so damn good. Golden would be a guy that makes. I'm sorry if I'm taking all the answers.

[Zach Wolchuk]

No, no, you're doing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just took all the answers.

[Brian Broadus]

You know, golden is a guy that. That's. That. That. That we should possibly take. But I think we should be ready for our corner from Michigan. We should just be ready.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Will Johnson.

[Brian Broadus]

Will Johnson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So who out of those. If you're like one guy, one name, who. Who is it?

[Brian Broadus]

McMillan.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah, I think Ted McMillan. If I had to guess right now, like, if I had to place, you know, somebody says, hey, yeah, it's do or die. Yeah, Ted McMillan would be the guy. And I do think he's got a good shot at getting there. I just don't think that if you're looking at the teams ahead, I don't know. I mean, maybe. We have mentioned San Francisco. Carolina is interesting. I don't know what they're going to do necessarily at number eight, but I don't think they'd go wide receiver there. So I do think Ted's got a shot to make it to 12. I'd lean Ted Roa. McMillan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think that scenario that we brought up earlier with Jacksonville taking Genty at 5, I think that would hinder McMillan.

[Fox Lombardi]

It would. I do think Jackson is pretty locked into Mason Graham.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think so?

[Fox Lombardi]

I do. I think they're going to take Mason Graham. Their GMs talked a lot about defensive line. Now, hey, maybe if Graham ends up going to New England or something, Travis Hunter goes to Cleveland and Abdul Carter ends up going three to the Giants, maybe that changes some things. Things could go in a different order here, but I guess as today, I'm sticking with fellas.

[Brian Broadus]

Like, is there a. A small possibility that Dallas, not us, but Dallas likes Golden more.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I was going to pick Gold is who I was.

[Fox Lombardi]

I think there's a possibility that's who.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I was going to pick. I think they're going to take golden over McMillan. I think. I just. I think, you know, I think Vodch laid it out for you. I think it's going to come down to either the corners of the wide receivers here, and. But my gut feeling is they're going to like the explosiveness of golden is what they're going to like. And it's not that they're going to. They're going to see a guy that, as the season wore on and big games for Texas, played huge. And, you know, he looks like, to me, that he's just got so much to his game. You can move him in a lot of different spots, but that speed is legit. He plays that fast. When you watch him on the outside and they play off coverage on him and he's closing cushions, you see panic in these db.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah, he puts a lot of pressure on you.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And then he could just, he could pivot and look at. He just running by people right there and like I said, looked like Louisiana Monroe there. But, you know, to me, it's just that speed is legit and I think they really do like all these receivers. But this guy has that ability to drive you off the football and come back and he can make contested catches. He could separate. You know, that's one of the things that we haven't seen really with, with McMillan is. But we always say McMillan's an 80, 20 catcher. 80% to go to. He's going to get them. But this guy right here has got a different level of play speed, and I think that's what's going to maybe buoy him above McMillan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let me ask you this question, and.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That'S just me just playing, playing a detective man here. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Brian Broadus]

The.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If you had to look at the Cowboys current wide receiver room.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is the element of wide receiver? So, like fundamental elements, right. That they're missing the most?

[Zach Wolchuk]

They will tell you. They will. Yeah, they. Yeah. Separation speed. Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

Bigger fast dudes. Like, their fast guy is like turping right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Brian Broadus]

But you know, Mingo, Brooks, Flournoy, they're kind of jump over you guys. They're physical guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And this is why golden would probably.

[Brian Broadus]

I think Golden's a little different than them.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. I think that they like, like Mingo a lot more than we do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, they do.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And that's what I'm saying. I think they're looking at Mingo. If they had to have a legitimate X.

[Fox Lombardi]

That's a big body player.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That's a big body guy. And they're probably thinking with Dak him throwing him the ball. Look at that right there. That double move on Georgia right there and then coming back to the ball.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah. He does a great job. Thanks.

[Brian Broadus]

Quinn, yours be throwing anything looking goofy out there. And golden just catches it all.

[Zach Wolchuk]

So Starks was over there like, what the hell, what the hell? What the hell? You know, one of those things. But. But no, I. I kind of feel like though, to me that they're going to see. They're gonna, they're gonna want to see what they have with. With Mingo, but this guy Gives them. This guy gives them a different element when it comes to separation speed. That's why I. I'm just. I don't know. It's not knowing anything. It's just I'm kind of looking at who they currently have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How would he compare to McMillan? Just to ask the question, this guy in the red zone, McMillan right there.

[Fox Lombardi]

I just think McMillan's better.

[Brian Broadus]

He's so much better.

[Fox Lombardi]

Other than just the 40 yard D. Yeah. I'm taking McMillan over anything Golden's given me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What'd you just say, Bunch?

[Brian Broadus]

I say Mingo. Mingo probably blocks better.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broadus]

McMillan does everything else better than me.

[Fox Lombardi]

Oh, absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But what about golden and McMillan as.

[Brian Broadus]

Far as golden and McMillan? Golden definitely runs routes better. Like he changes tempos, he gains ground quicker than McMillan. McMillan gets faster down the field.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He builds up speed.

[Brian Broadus]

He builds up speed. He's a long strike T. Mac is the better red zone guy because I literally feel like you could throw it anywhere and he'll come down with depends on how he gets off the line of scrimmage. I think golden has more ways to get off the line of scrimmage. If you talk about which one of these guys are different than the guys we have in the room right now, golden is much different than anybody that we have in this room right now. If you just think about fast guys in the room right now, it's Turpin, and Turpin's little bitty, so Turpin's gonna have his own package or whatever, but just as a wide receiver, two kind of guy. Golden's running past. He's beating everybody in the foot race. He's beating Lamb in the foot race and everything. So there's pros and cons to both. I would love to ask Dak, which is, you know, just. Just away from everybody, which one of these guys would you rather throw to? Cause think about this.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He's thrown to contested receivers all his career, basically, hadn't he think about this. With the exception of Cooper.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Cooper had the ability to separate.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Separate.

[Brian Broadus]

That's what I'm saying. So when. When DEZ was here and he was jumping over everybody, Dak wasn't the passer to properly use it. When Dak turns in, you know, to. To this passer. Now Gallup turns into the jump over you got. But Gallup ain't the same kind of jump over. You got the Dez or. Or Chad. TMac is right. So now you going, all right, I got Dak that can place the football. Now let's get him like a super jump ball guy. I think he would love to have that. Or Dak is the passing dude, the I'm on time, I'm accurate guy. Golden is the on time, accurate guy. I think it's a real conversation that they having over there. And both of them have been in the building.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they have both been here. They're both reported 30 visits. I mean the thing about. What is Brian Schottenheimer thinking from an offensive standpoint? What do you want more? Do you want the X? Do you want the big receiver? Do you want the crossers over the middle? Because one way or the other it's going to be different. Crossers are one guy.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You've got.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, you've got.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Millen can do that.

[Fox Lombardi]

I mean, I think so too. He excels at the. In breaking routes over the middle of the field.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

And that's kind of what they wanted cooks to do is their wide receiver too.

[Brian Broadus]

Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

And he's a smaller bodied receiver that does not fit what he wanted. Now, now granted, still had success in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The red zone here.

[Fox Lombardi]

He did. And I think Ted is a guy that can do all of that for you. I just think he's a better wide receiver personally. And I get it like the 429 speed, the golden rain. That's amazing. And he is a good player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Fox Lombardi]

But I think we're acting like Ted McMillan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not necessarily.

[Zach Wolchuk]

No, no, no.

[Fox Lombardi]

I just pretending like he can't run.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I went, I went, I went. No, no, I went opposite of what you guys think. Because I was thinking what they were trying to think. Yeah, I agree with me, McMillan. I've actually got hunters. My number one receiver. I mean I'm a, I'm a hunter. I'm a wide receiver hunter guy. So that would be millions. Second, I actually have burden after him. I was trying to think of what they were looking at.

[Fox Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And they're probably.

[Fox Lombardi]

You could be right.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They're looking, they're probably looking at. We do not have a separator. And I think that they really want to see if this Mingo thing is going to work. And they probably feel like, okay, do we need another big bodied receiver? Absolutely. You'd love to have Ted McMillan. I'm also thinking it like, okay, do we have speed other than. And Vach put it very well, well, other than Turpin, you really don't have anybody that can, that can really, really run and can threaten defenses the way that that golden can. So I, I could see them. I know all of us would pick McMillan Absolutely. I could also see them saying, we, this guy fits gives us something that we don't currently have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, and I think it's a. It's a decision that they're trying to sift through themselves. Because when you look at even in past drafts, like going back to 2020, you look at guys that overlapping has both formal visits at the combine and 30 visits here. It's rare to see that. A lot of times it's either or you're either going to meet in the formal at the combine or you're going to come here. Both McMillan and Golden were formals at the combines and 30 visits. So what that tells me is that if we're Getting there, the 12, those are two names that we really do have to look at specifically because if there's that double overlap, then it's two guys they're trying to decide between and they're trying to find little things here and there that they feel like they may fit better.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You just hope this isn't the draft where you select Rugs or re. Yeah, you know, when there's others on the board, you know what I'm saying? If you. Philadelphia made a choice to take Rieger when Lamb and others were on the board and they paid for that. Well, they paid for it in a way. They had to go and trade for another wide receiver and stuff. But you do not want to. If you're the Cowboys, you don't want to be in that draft where you draft the rigor the wrong.

[Fox Lombardi]

Right before we wrap, though, I do think it's interesting they've met with Membuild and then Kelvin Banks Jr. Yeah. Like I wonder if if offensive line could be sleeper there for them.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. At 12. Yeah, I think. I think more likely Banks would be in that conversation than Minboo myself.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And remember, those guys were not formal visits at the combine. So think about going back to that overlapping. You got to look at Those guys, Golden, McMillan on those list. All right, that does it for us here on the draft show. We're getting close. We are. Next time we're going to be right underneath the ten day mark.

[Brian Broadus]

Mark.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At that point we're going to be nine days away when we're back next Tuesday for Zach Wolchuk, Brian Broadus, Fox Lombardi, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Thanks for watching the draft show. We'll see you next week. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Foreign.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names. Now let's get into the serious stuff. We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French onion dip. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices. Also made with some daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a long standing staple for Taco Tuesday. They also have daisy ranch dip. So get out there and give Daisy French onion dip a try. You will not regret it.