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Kyle Yeomans
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Kyle Yeomans
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Show Announcer
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft show, your war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frisco. Now, your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish and Kyle Yeomans.
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Kyle Yeomans
Today is Thursday, February 26, 2026, and we are live from Radio Row in Indianapolis, Indiana. We are 56 days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome into the Draft show presented by Miller Lite, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. And we've got the entire draft show crew that is on site here in Indy for the NFL Scouting combine on hand today with Tommy Yarish, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Bobby, welcome back, sir. I know it's been a busy week for you, and you guys are killing it on Radio Row with the Sean and RJ crew and on 153 the fam. But glad to have you back on the show.
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Tommy Yarish
Thank you. Yeah, I was. I just woke up. I was. I was sleeping and now I'm here and I'm ready and I'm ready to go.
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Kyle Yeomans
You just woke up?
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Tommy Yarish
Yep. Just woke up. It's been. Look, it's been a long. It's been a long. How long? We've been here three days, something like that. Three days. It's been a long three days so far, but it's good.
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Kyle Yeomans
This is.
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Tommy Yarish
This is what you live for, who
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Kyle Yeomans
you draft in at 12. You've already figured it out.
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Tommy Yarish
Caleb Downs, we're running. We're telling everybody, just leave them alone. Treat safeties like you've treated them for the last decade. Don't pick them. And then let us. Let's grab them at 12.
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Kyle Yeomans
Man, I would love that. If it could happen, that would be the pipe dream. But there's no way to. To. To even. I. I don't know if there's even a way to. To dream about that at the moment,
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Tommy Yarish
V is not here right now.
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Nick Harris
So.
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Tommy Yarish
So can I ask a question? Yeah, of course. So that was real. That was a spot on V. You mentioning. You mentioning that, you know, who. Who you taking at 12 and then who you run up there taking. So we were. We interviewed Will McLay on the Fan this morning. I know you guys interviewed him on Dallas Cowboys dot com, too. I don't believe Nick interviewed him, but we did. So we had. So, no, we. We had talked about. I was talking to John Machota, and Will had said. We said, what do we most frequently get wrong? That was one of the questions for Will. And Will said, the thing that most frequently gets wrong is, like, you guys don't see fit. Like, you can go, okay, that's nice that that's a position that fits a need, but that unless you really know the nuts and bolts, you don't know why that player just doesn't jive with what we're trying to do here. You have to know all the specifics. And so he's like, that's what you miss a lot of times whenever you're trying to mix and match. And John said. When he said that, I was immediately trying to think like, well, he also said that he'll look at the mock draft sometimes and go, y' all are wrong. Y' all are missing this. That would never happen. So he's like. The first thing I thought was how frequently I've seen Monsoon Delane mock to the Cowboys. And he's like, are we missing the fit there? Of, like, he's not a typical Will McClay corner, like, in terms of his length and everything else. And so that made me think, when he's saying that, who pops into your head at 12 when Will says, you guys just sometimes will assign a player, you'll get it right. And I look and go, you just. You're missing the fit. That's why you guys don't understand that wouldn't happen. Who, like, pops into your head like that in this draft?
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Kyle Yeomans
I've got a name outside of Caleb Downs that I would love to throw out there, but I want to get your downs.
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Tommy Yarish
Wouldn't fit.
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Kyle Yeomans
No, he would, but I just would not.
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Tommy Yarish
Would not fit.
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Kyle Yeomans
Would not fit.
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Tommy Yarish
Basically, as he said, that's what we normally miss is fit. I mean, it could flip the other way, too, of, like, you guys aren't talking about this guy. You don't understand how good a fit he is.
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Kyle Yeomans
That's so, for me, I think Sonny Styles is such a good fit that I think And I mocked him in my, my second mock draft that we're using on the blitz this week. But I, I can't not see Sonny Styles as a part of this defense in this team. I just think he's too good of a fit at the second level. But now that I see what you're saying, switching it the other way, like
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Tommy Yarish
a lot of people may not mock Keldrick Falk and they may go, you don't understand. He's a good fit for what we're doing. And so that it could flip either way.
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Kyle Yeomans
What about Jermaine McCoy for the. From the end. We got to talk to the secondary players, some of the secondary players today at the podiums. He's not working out. There's the injury history. Would that classify him as a non fit?
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Tommy Yarish
I mean, that, that could be something that. If they've. If they felt like Revel. If Revel didn't go the way they wanted to and they just went, you know what? We don't want to do like a red shirt guy or a guy who's coming off of red shirt year. That may be it. And so it's more just like what are the, the fits we're missing potentially that, you know, we're. We're wrongly ascribing that player to because another guy. We, we were just talking before the show. Reuben Bane, with arms that are. Are on the smaller side. They typically have not drafted a lot of edge rushers who are smaller armed EDGE guys either.
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Nick Harris
Same.
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Matt Rogers
Excuse me.
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Nick Harris
Gosh dang. Same could be said for Texas A and M Edge. Cash's Howell.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah.
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Nick Harris
Both of them came in with the shortest arm length in the edge group today. If Cash's Howell is drafted, which he will be, he'll have the shortest arms of any player in the NFL since the 1999.
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Tommy Yarish
Wow.
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Nick Harris
At 30 and 18 inch.
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Kyle Yeomans
Any like any edge rusher drafted, period.
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Nick Harris
Correct.
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Matt Rogers
Wow.
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Nick Harris
Yeah.
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Bobby Belt
That's tough.
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Kyle Yeomans
Since 99. Yeah.
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Nick Harris
That's insane.
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Kyle Yeomans
That's. I mean, that's T Rex arms like on a. On a. Another level.
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Tommy Yarish
That's.
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Kyle Yeomans
That's insane.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah, that's.
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Tommy Yarish
Those are arm links that generally are not like, that'll get you disqualified on some corner boards.
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Kyle Yeomans
For real.
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Nick Harris
Yeah. And it's, it's the juxtaposition of. He was the SEC defensive player of the year this last season and he knows how to use that length, even though sometimes it's not to his advantage. He has been able to show that, you know, his shorter arms can win him some instances. It's Less about with these shorter arm guys and the long arm offensive tackles. That's what you really worry about when they're coming into the league. Right. It's more so how they get under those long arms and it's they, they have to be so good at countering, they can't really attack. But you can find some guys who are so good at countering that it would have been better had they had the short arms than if they had the longer ones. And you know, John Owning of pff, we get into that quite a bit as well. And that's that he, he doesn't see arm length as, as a negative at all. It's how you use your length whether it's long arms or short arms. We see that with Ruben. Bang. We see that with Cassius. How that these guys are able to kind of get under. It's the Mike Tyson theory, right. Because Mike Tyson didn't have the longest reach in the world but he was able to get under these guys when they were, they were coming across because there's so much bandwidth that you have to cover to where if you can get under and disrupt it then you can come under him and make it happen. And so that's, it's getting into the nuances of pass rush here. But that's why these howls and Banes will still probably go first round. Because you see that on tape.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah, I feel like I see it more so with Bane than I do with how. Yeah, I, I haven't been very high on Howell since the jump and I think like sure he, when he was on, he was on this year and defensive player of the year absolutely deserved. I'm not saying he didn't but there were one too many instances where those bigger long arm tackles would just get a hold of them and completely take advantage of him and that's. That could happen on a week to week basis in the NFL. So if that's what you're banking on, a first round pick to come in and have that kind of production where you're going to have to find a way to get him in a position to where he can have the advantage and not necessarily have that weakness sought after if you're an offense. So that's why it's tough for me. And I mean you can still say that it's probably not the best thing for Bane either. Yeah, like that Bane's arms aren't much longer. But I think the big difference there is he's much bigger and much stronger and fuller in his frame and he Uses the counter moves and the strength to make up for it. So that's why you probably still see him go pretty high.
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Tommy Yarish
Dane's talked about this a little bit too. I know it's been and it's been kicked around by a few different people but that arm length on Bane is just, it's so small for some teams that like Dane was saying earlier today that there are just some teams that would they say he's a three technique. There's just no way you could play like that. Some teams just think there's no way you could play Ruben Bane at edge. He would have to be a three technique at the next level.
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Nick Harris
How he came in at 26362 and 68 today. So he doesn't necessarily have the three tech size. So yeah, that's, that's going to be an interesting project for whoever does draft him is like, okay, how can we maximize his traits and his athleticism but also hide his physical limitations at the same time, if that makes sense.
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Kyle Yeomans
And I think it's interesting in this draft as a whole because we've talked about it before, the guys who have warts in the first round and there's usually a cutoff of let's say 10 to 15 in each draft class where you feel really, really confident about these eight to 15 players. But there's a couple of warts on the back end of guys that are going to be first round picks. I think we're looking at this draft specifically and outside of maybe the number one overall pick, it's a hodgepodge of whatever you could see happening from two onward even. We were talking with some of the media members from the Arizona Cardinals today. Danny Schreck, one of the former Dallas Cowboys.com reporters, she asked us, she said who do you think we're taking at three? And I looked at her and said aren't you supposed to know what that conversation is because you're in the building there? But they don't know what's happening at 3. She said it could go offensive line, it could go edge rusher. They could maybe talk about one of these linebackers if they really feel good about it there. With that being said, is this a draft that's different across the board because of the amount of warts that you see on these high level first round prospects than maybe years past?
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Nick Harris
I, I think there's going to be a lot of parity and this first round is going to be really wonky. I just look at some of these respected mock drafters that you See around the space, whether it be Mel Kiper, Daniel Jeremiah, Dane Brugler, I mean, there's, there's so many that you can pick from. They are all over the place after pick one. Pick one. It seems to be the only thing with any sort of finality at this point. I mean, we, we learned a little bit more today about the New York jets and what they're, they're going to be trying to do at pick number two when they traded away Jermaine Johnson and acquired Tavandre Sweat. But they, they will probably be hunting down either an off ball linebacker or an edge. I think Arvell Reese makes a lot of sense for them at two, but they could also go Caleb Downs. They could also go David Bailey. I mean, there's, there's a lot of options for the, the jets as well. This top 10, it's, it's going to be really fluid and I think if you're looking at it from a Cowboy standpoint, that's probably the best case scenario because, yes, it could hurt. You could, because you could be wiped out at 12, but it also could heavily benefit you to where you look up at 12 and you're like, wait a second, Monsieur Delane's here, Ruben Bane's here. Like, how did this happen? You can really make that work.
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Tommy Yarish
Is this a draft, though, where you feel like obviously you have people you like, Like Downs is somebody that everybody likes. People love Arvel Reese, like, guys like that and you're sitting there. I think the two most common names we hear of people talking about, man, that'd be great if they could get there. We don't know if they will have been Caleb Downs and Sunny Styles or the two most frequent that year. But like, when you say wipeout, it does feel like there's so much parity here that I don't know that there's any sort of classic wipeout scenario that they could even be faced with at 12, because I think you could, you could lose out on Bay or you could lose out on downs, you could lose out on Styles, you could have. You lose out on your top guys. But like last year, like McMillan is who you wanted, but like, I don't know that you felt like when you got down there you were going to be wiped. You always feel you felt like, all right, Booker, or somebody's going to fall down around here where it's like, that's somebody we'd still be happy with, that we're going to be able to get here.
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Nick Harris
Yeah, I think. Well, let's Count them up. Sonny Styles, Caleb Downs. These are all guys that you would be comfortable taking at 12. Absolutely. Let's run through it really quick. Caleb Downs, Sonny Styles, Arvell Reese, Ruben Bane, David Bailey, Monsor Delane. Who else we got?
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Kyle Yeomans
You could throw.
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Bobby Belt
I mean, strong six right there.
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Tommy Yarish
Jeremiah Love.
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Nick Harris
I'm looking at it from a defense.
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Tommy Yarish
I know what I'm saying. But I mean, if you're talking about. If you're talking about 11 picks that go ahead of you.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah, yeah.
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Nick Harris
Let's throw in Jeremiah Love as well. And then you got Fernando Mendoza, who's going to go one. That's eight. And then you still have three. Three other spots in there. I think there's a realistic scenario where it is, quote, unquote, wiped out. I. I just. It depends on how fluid things get, and you're rooting for these teams above you to start taking some offensive guys.
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Kyle Yeomans
You need both wide receivers. You can. You need Tate and. And Tyson.
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Nick Harris
Yeah.
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Kyle Yeomans
You could throw limit in there, too. You could throw all those guys into the fold. You. You would love to see Jeremiah Love at least either on the board for you at 12 or going early. I think either one of those is a scenario where if you're a fan of the Cowboys, you could be okay with.
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Tommy Yarish
You want somebody to fall in love with Ty Simpson.
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Kyle Yeomans
Exactly. Ty Simpson needs to hop up there and he is going to throw this week. So that's something significant to keep an eye on.
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Tommy Yarish
But which you just counted up how many?
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Kyle Yeomans
Seven or eight.
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Tommy Yarish
Eight. You're up to eight. Okay. And then you've got. Still you got the two tackles, which I'm not saying they would take, but I'm saying you've got two offensive linemen that are probably going to go before
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Nick Harris
you, Spencer Fano out of Utah, Francis Mount, go out of Miami.
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Tommy Yarish
Yeah. And then at that point, you're talking about. Now you're 10 picks into this, and that's. Obviously, there's concerns about Jermaine McCoy, who's not going to work out over this. But, like, I mean, McCoy is considered a higher talent. Like, I think there's just enough secondary guys that they're interested in that there's somebody there that. All right, maybe it wasn't our top choice here, but we've got. Because they've run into some classic wipeouts before where it's like there's no one really here we want anymore.
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Nick Harris
Yeah. Yeah. I worry about a scenario where the phone lines aren't on and you're forced to make a pick like Colton Hood. Or a German McCoy or maybe even swinging already for some of those second tier edge rushers, whether it be, you know, a Cassius Howell or even a Josh Josephs, who I'm starting to really grow on out of Tennessee. I, I just worry that you end up in a situation where you're really reaching there.
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Tommy Yarish
Who's Yalls highest graded receiver?
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Kyle Yeomans
I have Tyson Carnell.
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Nick Harris
Tate.
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Bobby Belt
Tate.
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Tommy Yarish
Tate. Okay, so what we just ran through there in that scenario where all those guys went, your highest graded receiver is probably there. Would you just say, well that like I can't devote resources to that or do you say it's a three receiver league?
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Kyle Yeomans
I think you have three receivers.
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Nick Harris
You're hoping the phone lines are working.
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Tommy Yarish
You've got like at this point. But if you, I imagine if you've tagged Pickens, he's not done by that point. I think that drags into the summer.
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Nick Harris
If he's tagged, it allows the opportunity to trade Pickens.
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Tommy Yarish
So that's what I mean, you would be able to at that point go, he's not, we've got him tagged but it's not done. Let's just make this pick and then either send the tag, make a trade, do whatever.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah, yeah, you could do a couple of those options. And I think offensive players, we've talked about this so many times before where we've been solidified defense, they're going to invest in defense, they're going to do this, they're going to do that and then all of a sudden we get to draft day and that ends up being an offensive player. I think last year showed that that was a possibility. I know we were looking at wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver. You end up as an offensive lineman. So definitely something to keep an eye on as we continue forward into the draft process. When we come back on the draft show we're going to attack some Twitter on the 20. We've got some great questions from NFL Draft fans out there. And then as the show goes on we're going to re evaluate the list that we went through yesterday. But we're going to talk about the secondary players that said that they have met with the Cowboys at the combine here in Indianapolis this week with Tommy Yarsh, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeomans. This is the draft show on Dallas
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This is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft show.
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Kyle Yeomans
Welcome back into radio row here at the NFL combine in Indianapolis. Back with Tommy, Nick and Bobby. I'm Kyle Yeoman. It's time now for some Twitter on the 20.
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Tommy Yarish
I like play that all the way from. Oh, that's Tommy. I thought that was the drop. Good job Tommy.
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Bobby Belt
Very nice. Thank you guys.
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Kyle Yeomans
Good job Tommy.
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Tommy Yarish
Wonderful job.
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Kyle Yeomans
I don't know if he edits it in or not or just roll with Tommy's but I'm glad we did it.
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Bobby Belt
Stack them on top of each other.
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Kyle Yeomans
Twitter on the 20. Josh wants to know there's a lot of armies and Thomas draft hype starting to heat up a little bit. The edge rusher out of Oklahoma. Do you feel like he is the best Fit for Dallas as an outside linebacker or maybe Hal has that spot. We just talked about how a little bit and how that could be a non fit because of the arm length. But does arm Mason Thomas fit the bill?
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Bobby Belt
Well, he certainly has longer arms than the other two. He came in at 31 and five eighths of an inch. Arm length 78 and one eighths of an inch. Wingspan six two, two, 41. So yeah, he would be a. From a physical standpoint, he probably fits that better than the other two. But obviously I would, I would still take Bane instead of our Mason Thomas, but I would take our Mason Thomas before Cassius Howells. I've talked a lot about how, you know, this guy's. This guy's valuable trait for me is how he's able to close games. He comes up big in the biggest moments. He gets the timely sack when Oklahoma needed it super quick off the edge. He's got Great Bend. The 62 part is probably what worries some people. He's not the tallest guy, but I think he makes up for it with speed and the rush techniques that he uses. He's able to switch it up, set guys up. So I don't know if he would be the like ideal fit if we're talking at 12, but 20, if you're in a scenario like we were talking about in the last segment where you're starting to look around and not a lot of the guys that you were hoping were there are there. That's a guy that I could definitely see being a 20 pick.
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Nick Harris
I. It's interesting that you mentioned him being able to close games because last year on the draft show and on day three, we get all those scout interviews and it's really valuable insight that we get. And one thing that we asked when we asked about Donovan Aziraku, I forget who mentioned it, but he had said that you saw Donovan Azaraku show up late 4th quarters of games to close them out. And so they, they pay attention to those things. And that's certainly a plus for a guy like our Mason Thomas too.
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Tommy Yarish
Yeah, and I mean he's a, a really nice, well rounded edge rusher. Like, I mean I, I think you, you see a guy who absolutely has some explosiveness off the line of scrimmage. A guy who has a pass rush plan, has tools, knows how he's. A lot of these guys, they get into the NFL as edge rushers and they are just. They win on their athleticism and they win on just being better than the guy across from them arm. Mason Thomas is Like coming to the league, like he's got some, some tools that he knows how to use when he's rushing the pass, but that's all good. I think he's good at disengaging from blocks, making plays in the run game. That's all positive. It's not always great, but he does have some experience dropping into coverage a little bit. And what we know from some of the Fangio system stuff, which you assume Christian Parker is going to borrow from, is being a versatile like I mean 3 part playmaker at the edge rusher, being able to rush the pass or play against the run and occasionally do some stuff in coverage. So I think in that sense, if you're talking fit and all these other things that, that you're wanting to look at for Dallas pick here. Yeah, he could be somebody who makes some sense for Dallas along the way.
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Kyle Yeomans
Would he make sense at 12 at all with the hyper. Is it still. Kind of. Well, that's 20.
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Tommy Yarish
That's too high. It'd be 20 for me or trade back from 20.
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Bobby Belt
I'm with Bobby. He's 23 overall for me at the
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Kyle Yeomans
moment, which if he ends up at 20, that's solid value.
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Bobby Belt
That would be good.
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Kyle Yeomans
You could be okay with that. Where do you feel like you land on that?
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Nick Harris
Yeah, twenties, no doubt.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah. Point after football wants to know which three non prolific draft prospects do you think will stand out at the combine and what do you feel like it'll be Due to measurables, 3 cone drill, 40 time, etc. The I guess non prolific draft prospects. That's probably looking into day three because let's talk about the not top end names that we've mentioned as combine standouts, but who's going to show up and make an impact.
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Nick Harris
Yeah, Looking at Damani Jackson out of Alabama, he's a guy who has had an interesting career. Started at usc, finished up at Alabama, started each of last two seasons, potentially three with the Crimson Tide. Can run like a deer.
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Kyle Yeomans
What position?
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Nick Harris
A corner. Corner. Can run like a deer. But there's going to be some questions about, you know, his positional hip fluidity. I mean he's kind of stiff in movement, more of a straight line type of guy. But I wonder how he looks in the positional drills. But if we're looking at it from a combine standpoint and a testing standpoint, Damani Jackson is going to be a guy that gets in there a few receivers. I mean we talked about Brendan Thompson out of Mississippi State, Barry and Brown out of lsu, previously of Kentucky Kendrick Lawrence as well. There's going to be, there's going to be a lot of receivers that make some money. I'm trying to think there's a running back that I've been keeping an eye on here for this week and it's blanking from me right now. If y' all keep going, I'll find.
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Tommy Yarish
I mean, I think guys that you're talking about classically, I think whenever people talk about the comment, it's like who like really pops with 40 speed or who comes in here with just insane measurables. I think some guy who like a lot of people and it's already kind of building this morning a little bit. When you've seen some of the D line measuring. Caleb Banks is just such a massive human being. And what is somebody who's six, six and like three, I can't remember. I think it was like 335 or something. It was like massive arms. He's. He looks like a, a prototype defensive tackle, like your dream defensive tackle. And then I think, you know, Malik Benson, Oregon is going to run really fast. Zachariah Branch could run really fast from Georgia. Like those are guys who stand out, I think.
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Bobby Belt
So Banks is. Go ahead, go ahead.
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Nick Harris
You got it.
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Bobby Belt
Banks. 6, 6, 3, 2, 7, 10. 7 inch hands, 35 inch arm, 85 and 3 quarter wingspan.
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Tommy Yarish
That is a giant.
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Bobby Belt
And so here's the percentiles. Height is 98th, percentile weights 89th percentile hand 94th, arm 94th and wingspan is 99th. It's the longest of the combine for a defensive tackle since 1999.
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Kyle Yeomans
Okay, so kind of going on that. Is that enough to immediately raise his stock? Because for me that's significant.
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Tommy Yarish
That does.
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Kyle Yeomans
That gives you something that nobody else in the league has.
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Tommy Yarish
So I agree that it's. It makes you look up and go like, okay, but like when you watch the tape, it's like, why don't you play that side?
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Nick Harris
Why does it show up on the tape?
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Tommy Yarish
But. And that, and that's something that one of the first questions brought us asked this morning to Will was he was like, what gets a general manager in trouble? What gets somebody in trouble when they're drafting and Will spat it. I instantly said traits. He said traits get you in trouble. Now it doesn't mean they're going to pass on them or that they don't want them. They do want him. But that, that can be. That's. I think when he says traits can get you in trouble, I think he's talking about somebody like Kayla Banks.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah. Because it's not just like there's so many guys that have the traits physically, maybe not to that degree, but if you don't have the tape, then the traits don't matter as much. Right. Like, if you don't have the technique, if you don't have what you need. And that's all things you can teach.
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Tommy Yarish
Right.
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Bobby Belt
You can't teach size, you can't teach speed, you can't teach any of that stuff. But if, if you don't have the ability to learn and develop or you have a long Runway, then. Exactly. You're. You're going to get a general manager fired. So Banks is a guy that I think is going to need some sharpening and somebody's going to have to be patient with this process because if it does pay off, then, you know, who knows what his ceiling is going to be.
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Nick Harris
The two running backs, Demon Claiborne out of Wake Forest and Jamari Taylor, who is a Shrine bowl guy out of Virginia. Those are going to be two guys to keep an eye on. As far as testing goes this week.
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Kyle Yeomans
You think they're day three?
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Nick Harris
I think Clayborn could go day two.
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Tommy Yarish
Okay.
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Nick Harris
I think he could. But Jamari Taylor. Yeah, probably day three. Gotcha. But I love Jamari Taylor that's. He's starting to become my Manon guy from last year. I'm. I'm a big Jamari Taylor guy.
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Kyle Yeomans
I had. I have Clayborne as my number one player in the fourth round currently that I've watched through so far. So I think, like you said, he's right on that cusp of being day two, day three, good player. Yeah. Like you said, he's fast. He's only 195 though, but we'll see what he weighs out here. But he's.
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Nick Harris
Emmett Johnson out of Nebraska will probably test really well, too. He's got awesome tape.
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Kyle Yeomans
I'm a huge Emmett Johnson fan.
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Nick Harris
If you're looking for some fun running back tape, which I'm a running back tape sicko, it's. It's Emmett Johnson out of Nebraska. He's got some of the most fun tape in this class.
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Kyle Yeomans
Who's the Miami running back a couple years ago that you loved?
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Nick Harris
Damian Martinez.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah, Martinez.
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Nick Harris
But if we were talking like some of the most fun tape I. I had watching last year was Kyle mangai, no doubt. And then lan Larson of UC Davis. I mean, those were. And lan Larson would have made the 53 man roster in New England if he didn't get hurt in camp. I just want that to Be noted. He helped get them to the Super Bowl.
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Matt Rogers
Damn it.
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Kyle Yeomans
This a, this is a Twitter on the 20 question from Kyle Yeoman's here for Nick Harris specifically, who's your land Larson this year?
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Nick Harris
I don't have one yet. I don't have one yet.
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Bobby Belt
I thought you were gonna say Kaden Wein from Iowa.
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Nick Harris
From a running back. From a running back standpoint, I don't have one quite yet, but I will. I will.
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Kyle Yeomans
We have a official pronunciation guide like that? Yeah, that's part of it. Next question. Justin wants to know if the Cowboys go Styles at 12 and Jermaine McCoy course corner out of Tennessee slips the 20. You might be a little afraid of the non workout, the Caleb Farley factor. Okay, let's talk about that. Are you scared enough to, to take him still at 20 or are you scared out of that immediately? And would you go Dylan Thienaman there would not touch.
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Tommy Yarish
I would not touch. I would take them in over McCoy at this point. So it's been a year, it's been a year and a half since he's played football. It's, it's too, it, it terrifies me too much.
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Kyle Yeomans
And what did they say on the podium yesterday?
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Tommy Yarish
They would, they would know better. They like they're going to know better. They're. If they look at it and they say we're comfortable taking them at 20, they have enough answers that, that it's okay. I'm guessing for, for me and my limited access of being able to know what he's capable of or why he sat out or why things happen a certain way, I can't say that I would do that. They would have it, they would have to research it really hard to feel good about his medicals and everything else that I'm just not going to have access to. So blindly where I'm at. I would not want them to do it because I just don't know.
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Nick Harris
You need immediate contributors and I don't know if you can expect him to be in a media immediate contributor. If you're using two first round picks, you need them both to be immediate contributors on this defense.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah. And McCoy said at the stand that he was cleared to play, but he's going to wait till pro day to test. And because he wants a little bit more training time in his return from the ACL injury, which it's been, I think, what, north of 400 days? Like. Yeah, it's.
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Tommy Yarish
I like that you said, he said at the stand instead of the podium like he was on trial and he Was having to give test. He kind of was.
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Nick Harris
He was getting badgered more than anybody this week just because there's so many questions about, you know, what, what he has in the tank and if he can actually perform. And him not being able to do the drills here is really tough.
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Tommy Yarish
It was. I mean, it's. We're talking about two Christmases have passed since he last played football.
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Kyle Yeomans
That's big.
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Bobby Belt
That's tough.
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Kyle Yeomans
I mean, he's going to get badgered with questions from here on out regardless. Especially now with him not working out.
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Tommy Yarish
Oh, if he does, if he doesn't, if he doesn't work out at his pro day, he's.
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Kyle Yeomans
It puts a lot of pressure.
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Tommy Yarish
He. I don't. I don't know who's gonna feel comfortable.
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Nick Harris
Okay, let's say he doesn't work out at his program.
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Kyle Yeomans
Is he off the board entirely?
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Nick Harris
You pick up a third round pick at some point and he's still there for you in the third round. Like Savone Rebel.
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Tommy Yarish
Yeah, sure, yeah. Third round, fine. But nowhere in the first set. The first is off the table if I'm any team at that point.
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Kyle Yeomans
What about in the second? Let's say you trade back from the first and you get it. You get a second round pick and a couple extra picks down the line. But let's just say you're in the mid-40s.
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Nick Harris
Sure.
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Kyle Yeomans
You would still take it. Take a.
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Nick Harris
At that point, still use the two first round picks. Yes.
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Kyle Yeomans
No, you, you would trade back from one of them at least.
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Tommy Yarish
No, no, but you trade back. Like for instance, you traded 12 to 18 and then you picked up a second. So you still make two first rounds. Okay.
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Kyle Yeomans
Yeah, that's fair.
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Tommy Yarish
We can do that.
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Nick Harris
That's more like my third pick and I'm in the second round.
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Tommy Yarish
Okay. Yeah.
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Kyle Yeomans
Okay.
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Tommy Yarish
I can go there.
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Nick Harris
Yeah.
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Tommy Yarish
The tape in 2024 is great. Yeah, it's fantastic. It's good enough that if, that, if that was the tape leading into this
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Kyle Yeomans
year, he'd be a top five pick.
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Tommy Yarish
He's slam dunk, top 10.
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Kyle Yeomans
Interesting. He's not one of those guys that at the podium was asked about if he's had the St. Elmos cocktail yet. It wasn't fun questions. And he stood up there and I thought he did a nice job of answering him. But at the same point, the only answer you have is, I'm not working out here. I'm going to work out on my pro day. Now the pressure is going to be on the pro day and what he's going to do up at Tennessee. We may have to try and make a trip out to Knoxville. You want to put that on the list? Shoe's a good city too. I might have to get out there.
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Bobby Belt
I want to go there when, when Texas plays there. That stadium is awesome.
- [32:52]
Kyle Yeomans
It's a. Yeah, it's a sweet environment.
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Tommy Yarish
Yeah. You love that sound they pump into the, into the speakers, the crowd noise.
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Bobby Belt
I just like how it's got aura at night.
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Tommy Yarish
That was Tyler Booker. We asked Tyler Booker what it was like to play in that stadium. He said, I was amazed. I stood in there and I went, wow, this is a high class sound system. They have to pump in all this crowd noise.
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Bobby Belt
That's awesome.
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Kyle Yeomans
Final one. This is coming from talking Dak, and I'm going to tweak it a little bit. He wants to know what is one prospect you're looking forward to seeing at the combine in general, let's say tonight the guy that the drills start tonight. The defensive backs are the first ones to take the field at Lucas Oil Stadium. Who tonight is one of the guys that you're looking forward to. And now I know Jermoh McCoy would be on that list.
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Nick Harris
He's not, but yeah, everyone, I mean, we could talk about Monsour Delaine. That's gonna be the one I'm most looking forward to now that Jermond McCoy coy's not participating. How does he run and does. Does monsor Delaine hit that 4, 48 threshold that teams are really wanting him to hit? Caleb Downs. I just want to see how freaky he looks on the field. I think that's gonna be fun. You could look at Brandon C. Say. I've heard some things this week that have kind of discouraged me around Brandon C. Say. And so I, I, I want to see him back on the field and, and, you know, kind of get that fresh set in my mind of Brandon C. Say, Keith Abney, I think is going to have an awesome night out of Arizona State. Look, man, we're not talking enough about Keith Abney. This is a guy I would take, a 20 player. He's a guy I would take at 20. I, I love Keith Abney. He's a, originally from Waxahachie in the southern DFW area. He was a shout out to Dame Brugler. He put this up a couple weeks ago. He used to be a speed skater and he, he would do like roller derby tournaments when he was a kid. He was asked about it today during the podiums and he's like, yeah, you know, how does it translate to football is how he, how it was asked. He's like, yeah, you know, it definitely helps with endurance. When I'm on the field for like a 15 play drive, it helps with ankle dexterity. I feel like my core got really strong. And you could see all those things pop up on his tape. It's really fascinating because you typically talk about, like, the basketball, the football translation or the track, or very rarely, you'll find the wrestling as well, more so with the bigger guys, but never. I don't think I've ever heard speed skating get translated. We talked about volleyball last year with Tedroa McMillan, and we, we see how that translates within him and it's legitimate. And I, I. Keith Abney's an awesome player. If you want to watch some fun corner tape, a violent cover corner who is always on top of his assignment, never gets lost from his guy. It's, it's, it's Keith Abney and I.
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Kyle Yeomans
Apologies, I flipped it. The. The front seven is today. Corners and defensive backs are tomorrow. So the front seven are the first ones to take the field.
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Nick Harris
Okay.
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Kyle Yeomans
At Lucas Oil Stadium. But great breakdown for tomorrow that we'll talk about later. I thought you did a phenomenal job of that one.
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Show Announcer
These guys take the front seven.
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Kyle Yeomans
That not going to change what's going to happen. But tonight is the front seven, so that one's on me, gentlemen.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah, I'll go. I think Sunny Styles is, for me, the main attraction from a linebacker standpoint. What is he, what does he run? How does this change of direction look? It's. He's going to be really well. And if it's, if it's numbers that are kind of out of this world, like, it very well could be. He might as well lock. Cement himself in the top 10. Yeah. Which obviously would be not ideal for Dallas, but he certainly has a trace to do. So I'm curious to see what C.J. allen runs. Not the quickest guy on tape, it looks like. So is that really the case? Is that what is he going to run in that time is going to prove it? If he runs a good time, that's a guy that could fly.
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Tommy Yarish
Alan Allen is who I thought of the. C.J. allen is a guy who, if he looks better athletically out here, if he times better athletically than people had initially thought, that is the only thing that has, I think, dinged him a little bit. If they see, like, all right, okay, here's somebody who, who moves much better than we thought he did. And I get to pair that brain and then that, you know, ability to read and react and the leadership traits and everything else that people glow about with him, then yeah, I think that that's a guy who absolutely. I'm interested in seeing how he works out.
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Kyle Yeomans
All right, when we come back here on the Draft show from Radio Row in Indianapolis, we do have some more names that have met with the Cowboys this week. And are the Cowboys not only drafting first round defensive players, but are they looking deep into the third round Possible secondary help it's day three secondary help. We'll talk about that when we return with more of the Draft show right after this.
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Tommy Yarish
Your mic is pointed away from your mouth.
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Kyle Yeomans
Is it?
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Tommy Yarish
There you go. Hey, welcome. Much better.
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Kyle Yeomans
Sorry, guys. I'm a professional broadcaster, as you can tell. We do have, we have the ability to talk to Brian Schottenheimer here in a little bit. But let's go through this list of names that have come out.
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Tommy Yarish
Let's do it.
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Kyle Yeomans
First one, Brandon C. Say in the corner out of South Carolina, who I know, Tommy, you're very high on, but you said you've heard some things that are a little concerning there, Nick, this week.
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Nick Harris
Yeah, I just want to see him on the field and I want to see what it looks like in a combine environment and we'll evaluate from there. There.
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Bobby Belt
Yeah. I don't care what Nick says. I like this guy a lot. I think that he's. He's going to need some sharpening. He's going to need some work at the NFL level. But if he goes to the right spot and gets developed, he's got all the athletic qualities and the size that you want in a corner to play on the outside. He was talking about how he feels he's versatile enough to move inside, play box safety, come off the edge and blitz. Excuse me, come from the slot and blitz. And I think that you probably look at him more outside. Very rarely do you want him in the slot, but he can run around really well. He hits hard. Not the thing that concerns me is there wasn't a lot of ball production during his time at South Carolina. I think he only had two career interceptions over three years. So that would be the only knock for me is can he get to the football and turn the ball over? He had. He does a good job of attacking the triangle and breaking passes up, but can he get a way to get in front of the receiver and intercept passes would be my thing, but I think he's got a. A lot of good football in front of him if he goes to the right spot.
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Tommy Yarish
I like the traits. I don't like the instincts at all. I don't. I don't think he's a very instinctual player. And that's always a big, big no, no for me. At corner.
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Kyle Yeomans
Got it. Ohio State safety Caleb Downs is. He's one that has talked to the Cowboys. No surprise there. He could very well be the. The. The prize possession of the Cowboys if he ends up going to 12.
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Tommy Yarish
I heard a comp on him from Lance Zurline that I thought was really good, which is Buddha Baker and a bigger body. And if you. If you were. Yeah. A little smaller than Derwin.
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Nick Harris
Yeah, Derwin's huge.
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Tommy Yarish
And so. But I mean, I think it's. I think there's just so much safe and secure and really comfortable about Caleb Downs.
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Nick Harris
Is he the safest player? He is the safest player in this draft? I don't think that's a question.
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Bobby Belt
Yes.
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Nick Harris
Is he the safest player in like half a decade?
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Tommy Yarish
I think he's.
- [44:47]
Nick Harris
Caleb Williams seems safe, but the quarterback
- [44:49]
Tommy Yarish
position, he's very similar. It's a little like. Like Minka or guys like that.
- [44:53]
Kyle Yeomans
Patrick.
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Tommy Yarish
A lot of times it is. If you're. If you're a safety and you're being talked up like this high in the NFL draft in the last 10 years, it's usually. Yeah, you're one of the more safe players.
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Kyle Yeomans
Another safety from the Big Ten, Penn State safety Zaki Whitley. Or it's Wheatley. Excuse me, but Wheatley, do you know anything about what he brings?
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Nick Harris
Yeah, Range. He brings a lot of it. And so instinctual in the back end. It's a guy that me and Vodge have bonded over for sure. He says he'd take him at 20. I don't agree or disagree.
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Tommy Yarish
Okay. Fence rider.
- [45:30]
Nick Harris
Oh, I love riding a good fence.
- [45:32]
Tommy Yarish
I know. I've heard.
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Kyle Yeomans
Interesting.
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Bobby Belt
I disagree. I'll say that. I wouldn't take him to 20, but I wouldn't take him at 20. But he is rangy. He runs really well. He can cover. So there's a lot to like there. But I would take thienaman from Oregon over him.
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Kyle Yeomans
Okay. I'm there too. Tennessee corner Java McCoy, LSU corner Mansour Delane, Clemson corner Avion Terrell. Tennessee corner Colton Hood. A lot of guys that we've talked about on this show extensively in this cornerback class, Ohio State corner Davison Igbosun, who I know we talked to at the Senior bowl and have talked about previously. Is he a day two guy? Because that's where I'm looking at it. Day two, maybe. Is that one of those conversations that is about a teammate?
- [46:20]
Bobby Belt
He very well could be. And I think the biggest thing with him is what do teams think think about is he going to be an issue penalty wise? Because it was an issue for a long time at Ohio State. He did a good job this past year of limiting that. I think he was down to six total penalties this season after he had like 14 or something. The year before that he had 16
- [46:41]
Nick Harris
and 24 and he had five this last year.
- [46:43]
Bobby Belt
Thank you. So are our teams sold that he's gotten better with that or they just do they like him enough to where they can say, hey, we're okay. If he gets a pass interference call here and there, we're okay. Because he's so aggressive, he makes it really tough on receivers to get around him and he can cover down the field. He's got the size for it. So it's just going to be a question of whether or not teams are okay with maybe getting a couple penalties.
- [47:08]
Tommy Yarish
Not all penalties are created equal to, especially in the secondary. If you are a frequently penalized player, it means one of two things. One, you are getting beat and or two, you're physical, you're just. And it's more physical there. But I mean like there have been some guys in the past who it's, that's how they had to cover was they grabbed and those are the ones that more scare me.
- [47:29]
Kyle Yeomans
Corner out of Texas A and M will leave the third. Florida corner Devin Moore. Houston cornerback Luttrell McCutcheon. You got the chance to see him up at close and personal this year. He's a playmaker ball hawk type of guy. Not polished at all. I mean there's a lot of things that I would want to see there. He's a day three guy for me, but I still think it could be a, a value pick. Miami corner Keonte Scott. Actually going back to McCutcheon, you've. You covered him in high school, right? I did.
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Tommy Yarish
How?
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Kyle Yeomans
What would your, your breakdown of Latrell McCutcheon be?
- [48:00]
Nick Harris
Has a lot of off field concerns that I would need to have answered.
- [48:04]
Kyle Yeomans
So not even just on the field stuff, what would you classify him on the field?
- [48:08]
Nick Harris
On the field, he's had moments where he's had his confidence killed early in a game, and it takes him out of a game. And so.
- [48:16]
Tommy Yarish
And that.
- [48:17]
Nick Harris
That has continued throughout his college career. And so I don't know if I'd spend a draft pick on the Troma coach.
- [48:21]
Kyle Yeomans
Wow. Okay, so Miami corner Keonte Scott, San Diego State corner Chris Johnson. I know you liked him at the Senior Bowl.
- [48:29]
Bobby Belt
Yeah, Johnson's great. I think it's going to be another one for him. Similar kind of to what Bobby and I were talking about with CJ Allen is how does he run on tape? He doesn't look like the fastest guy, but he's really technically sound. He was fantastic at San Diego State the last few years. So that's a guy that I like a lot. But I also really like Keontae Scott.
- [48:48]
Tommy Yarish
Sure.
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Bobby Belt
He's going to be 25 when the draft comes around. I could care less. I think that if Christian Parker's talking about, hey, we need a nickel guy who can do everything, he needs to cover, he needs to blitz, do whatever, go over the middle of the field, I think Keonte Scott would be a really good guy for that role. I think you would maybe need some help with him from a coverage standpoint, which I know you think, wait, nickel and you can't cover. I think he can. I just think that he is better inside the box, hitting in the run game. And you deal with him as a cover guy by helping him out and take advantage of some of the other things that he brings to the table.
- [49:28]
Kyle Yeomans
Yeah. And then last name on the list that I've got for today, it is South Carolina safety Jalen Kilgore as well. So that's the list of secondary players that we know or at least have been told that there are meetings happening between them and the Cowboys. Some of these might be informal meetings, because that's a lot of names through two days.
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Tommy Yarish
Guys.
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Kyle Yeomans
A lot of times they mix them
- [49:50]
Tommy Yarish
up, and it's a totally innocent mistake. A lot of times they just. They may have thought, oh, that was a longer conversation than I had in this brief one. So I thought that was more formal. It just. A lot of times it's never a malicious thing. But, yeah, I would imagine most of those are correct. There just may be a handful that guys didn't know.
- [50:07]
Kyle Yeomans
And that might be one of those conversations that we'll have later in the week and say, okay, was this a real formal interview? Was this somebody else along the way and kind of go from there.
- [50:15]
Tommy Yarish
Some of those have gone on exceedingly. I remember there was one year I can't. I can't remember. There was a receiver back in, like, 2018 who everybody had reported as a formal all the way up to. And we were three days out from the draft, and I was talking with somebody with the Cowboys, and they're like, no, he wasn't. I was like, okay, We've all assumed he was because he said he was, and that had not been corrected.
- [50:33]
Kyle Yeomans
That happened in 2022 as well, with somebody that we were talking about as a formal meeting and didn't end up being. I think it was a running back. I can't remember who it was.
- [50:41]
Tommy Yarish
I was like, the last week, somebody will just be like, hey, you know, that's wrong. Like, oh, crap. Okay, cool. Well, I'm gonna throw out that mock draft I've had all the last month,
- [50:49]
Kyle Yeomans
but, yeah, so it's still a lot to sort through. We've got one more show coming up tomorrow here from Radio Row at the NFL Combine, but the drills start tonight. You can watch them all on NFL Network and look forward to seeing the guys actually put cleats to the turf and see what they've got in terms of the measurements going into the weekend. Lots going on. Bobby, thanks for stopping by again today.
- [51:11]
Tommy Yarish
Thanks for having me. It was a good time. I enjoyed it.
- [51:14]
Kyle Yeomans
Guys, I can't wait to see you tomorrow. For Tommy Yarish, for Nick Harris, for Bobby Belt, I'm Kyle Yeomans. That does it for the draft show presented by Miller Lite, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. We'll see you tomorrow with more from Indianapolis and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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