Draft Show: Is Defensive Tackle Now a Need?

Summary

The Draft Show: Is Defensive Tackle Now a Need?

Dallas Cowboys | March 12, 2026
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish
Producer: Chris Beam
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Episode Overview

This episode of the DallasCowboys.com Draft Show focuses on the shifting needs of the Dallas Cowboys following the recent trades of defensive tackles Osa Odighizuwa and Solomon Thomas. With these departures, the panel debates whether defensive tackle should now be considered a draft priority, evaluates new positional flexibility gained with an extra third-round pick, and breaks down potential draft superlatives and candidates at defensive tackle for the 2025-2026 NFL Draft.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cowboys’ Recent Moves—The Osa Odighizuwa & Solomon Thomas Trades

[01:38] – [02:55]

• The panel opens by acknowledging the impact and leadership lost with departures of DTs Osa Odighizuwa and Solomon Thomas.
• “OSA was always willing to speak freely and was always willing to back up his teammates too.” — Kyle [01:38]
• Both were seen as great locker room presences, with Osa’s value in particular highlighted as exceeding expectations with a top-100 (third-round) pick as trade compensation.

2. Increased Draft Flexibility

[03:34] – [07:58]

• Dallas now owns three top-100 picks: #12, #20, and #92, providing more options for maneuvering on draft day.
• Discussion of how the additional third-round pick allows the team to target defensive depth areas (corner, linebacker, safety) and maybe take an offensive player earlier if desired.
• “You can stick and pick a lot easier at 12 and 20 now that you do have a day two pick.” — Nick Harris [07:55]

3. Positional Needs & Draft Strategy

[04:12] – [07:58]

• The team is unlikely to fundamentally change its approach but is now less “locked in” at specific positions in rounds 1–2.
• Possibility to trade up (using extra draft capital), stand pat, or trade back (e.g., “parachuting back” for more day two picks).
• Trading with the Bills (moving from #20 to #26) is mentioned as a common mock scenario.

4. Third-Round Targets and Value at Pick #92

[08:10] – [11:42]

• List of potential third-rounders:
  • Defensive Backs: Trey’n Stukes (CB/S, Virginia), Malik Muhammad (CB), Genesis Smith (S, Arizona), Keith Abney (CB, Arizona State), Dalen Everett (CB, Georgia)
  • Defensive Tackles: Xavian Harris (Ole Miss), Dominique Orange (“Big Citrus,” Iowa State), Daryl Jackson Jr. (Florida State), Peter Woods (Clemson)
  • Edge/Linebacker: Gabe Yakis (Illinois), Zion Young (Missouri), Derek Moore (Michigan), Harold Perkins Jr. (LB, LSU), Bryce Betcher (LB, Oregon), Charles Demings (“Chucky D,” Stephen F. Austin)
• “I have a second round grade on Trey’n Stukes. I think he’s a versatile guy who can play corner or safety.” — Nick [08:29]
• Panel raves about Demings as an example of a sleeper with big personality and athletic upside [09:44].

5. Impact of the Trades on Defensive Tackle Needs

[12:01] – [15:44]

• Do the trades make defensive tackle a day-one need? Panel consensus: It’s a greater need, but not necessarily a top priority over EDGE, LB, CB, or S.
• Christian Parker’s preference is clearly for bigger, heavier DTs:
  • “He [Parker] wants these bigger, heavier defensive tackles that are going to work in the scheme.” — Tommy [15:01]
• The team still has two quality starters up front but must prepare for depth/injury scenarios.

Memorable Metaphor: The Countertop Remodel

[12:54] – [13:41]

• Nick compares defensive coaching changes to a house remodel:
  • “Sometimes when that marble countertop…there’s mold underneath it. Sometimes you gotta rip out the whole countertop...But you better put a really damn good countertop on top when you’re done.” — Nick Harris [13:02]

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6. Defensive Tackle Prospects — Scheme Fits for Dallas

[17:38] – [24:15]

A. Profiles & Ideal Fits

[18:04] – [20:40]

• Dominique Orange (“Big Citrus,” Iowa State):
  • Size and brute strength fit Parker’s mold – “One of the strongest defensive linemen in the draft. Squatted 650 lbs, cleaned 365, benched 450.” — Kyle [19:09]
  • Varying projections from late-2nd to late-3rd; “92 spot probably makes a lot of sense.” — Nick [20:01]
• Daryl Jackson Jr. (Florida State): Senior Bowl standout; 6’5”, 315; possible fit at #92 or #112.
• Cameron Ball (Arkansas): “More athletic than you’d expect for his size, consistent & experienced.” — Tommy [58:15]
• Peter Woods (Clemson): Elite college film in 2024; miscast by Clemson in 2025, creating context for a lighter, less productive final year. Could be a fit at #20 if available; possibly top-10 pick per NFL execs [22:57].
• Xavian Harris (Ole Miss): 6’8”, length and special teams/blocking upside; “Blocked 6 kicks”— Nick [55:00]

B. Positional Philosophy & 3-4 Requirements

[31:37] – [33:45]

• Panel explains the need for either big 320lb+ gap-eaters or versatile “4i” players (can play outside or inside gaps).
• Scheme flexibility will be critical; some linebackers/edges in this class fit a hybrid “3-4 with 4-3 spacing” Parker looks for.

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7. Defensive Tackle Draft Superlatives

[50:10] – [59:45]

A. Most Technically Skilled

• Peter Woods (Clemson); “Fantastic player, first-round grade.” – All panelists
• Runner-up: Kaden McDonald (Ohio State): “One of the best run-defending DTs, makes life easy for linebackers.” — Tommy [50:53]

B. Most Athletic

• Zane Durant (Penn State): “4.75 forty at 290 pounds. That’s terrifying.” — Nick [52:50]
• Caleb Banks (Louisville): “Freaky size/speed/production—huge upside if technique comes.” — Tommy [53:30]

C. Biggest Upside / Risk

• Caleb Banks (Louisville): Can be both “most upside” and “biggest risk” depending on how his technique develops [54:18].
• Xavian Harris (Ole Miss): “Long, powerful, already an impact on special teams.” — Nick [55:00]

D. Biggest Value

• Daryl Jackson Jr. (Florida State): Late third-round projection, two-down player but physical and ready; improvements needed in conditioning [57:01].
• Cameron Ball (Arkansas): “Consistent, experienced, under-the-radar player with 50 college games.” — Kyle [59:03]

E. Most Likely to Become a Cowboy

• Consensus favorite for vibes: Dominique Orange (“Big Citrus,” Iowa State) [58:03]
• Cameron Ball also named as a likely fit.

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8. Cowboys’ Defensive Tackle Room & Roster Management

[41:50] – [43:52]

• Dead money vs. draft ammo: Trading Osa before June 1st took on $16M dead cap but netted a valuable third-rounder—“You’ve got to rip off that beautiful marble because there’s mold all over the house.” — Nick Harris, referencing his earlier metaphor [41:50]
• The moves are partially cap-driven, but also about transitioning to Parker’s preferred personnel for scheme fit.

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9. Outlook: Free Agency & Offseason Grading

[60:54] – [61:46]

• Speculation: Back-to-back DT moves might hint at a pending bigger free agency move, but likely just cap compliance (“I think they're just trying to get CAP compliant.” — Nick [61:12])
• Offseason graded around B-minus; team wants more impact moves before the draft, but could still achieve that with picks #12/#20 if they land elite talent.

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Notable Quotes

"Sometimes when that marble countertop...there’s mold underneath it. Sometimes you gotta rip out the whole countertop...But you better put a really damn good countertop on top when you’re done."
— Nick Harris, on roster overhaul and scheme fit [13:02]

"You can stick and pick a lot easier at 12 and 20 now that you do have a day two pick."
— Nick Harris [07:55]

"I would buy a jersey that said Big Citrus."
— Kyle Yeomans, on Dominique Orange [18:11]

“If we look up in two years and we’re like redrafting the 2026 draft, it would not surprise me if [Peter Woods] is a top three guy.”
— Nick Harris [55:56]

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Important Timestamps

• [01:38] – Osa/Solomon trades reaction; leadership loss
• [03:34] – Cowboys’ draft flexibility with third-rounder #92
• [08:10] – Third-round target names/potential value
• [13:02] – “Marble countertop” metaphor for roster rebuild
• [20:01] – Dominique Orange and value of “Big Citrus”
• [22:57] – Peter Woods as a potential top-10 pick
• [31:37] – 3-4 scheme fits; the kind of DT body type Dallas wants
• [50:10] – [59:45] – DT superlatives: skill, athlete, upside, value, and Dallas fits
• [61:00] – Offseason grade and expectations ahead of draft/free agency

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Conclusion

This episode offers an in-depth look at the Cowboys’ evolving strategy now that defensive tackle has emerged as a fresh area of need. The panel explores draft scenarios and player fits with engaging banter and vivid metaphors, particularly around how coaching changes drive shift in personnel philosophy. The episode arms the listener with key names to track at DT, insight into how Dallas will attack the draft with renewed flexibility, and the smart, sometimes hilarious perspective that makes The Draft Show a must-listen for Cowboys and NFL draft fans.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

your war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frisco. Now, your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris,

[A]

Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish and Kyle Yeomans. Today is Thursday, March 12, 2026, and we are 42 days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome in to the Draft show presented by Miller Lite, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. We've got Nick Harris and Tommy Yarish with Chris Beem in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us. Lots of news to talk about on this show and I'm just unfortunate we're unfortunately not going to have Bobby Belt, our resident NFL insider, and then Vach Lombardi, our resident NFL day three scout who just loves talking about day two. Back in Day two players. Day three, guys, because the Cowboys now have a third round pick, we are

[C]

not going to be sitting around doing nothing on day two. Let's go.

[A]

Big win for everyone in this room. I do want to start by seriously saying osa, wish you nothing but the best. I loved getting cover OSA over his time here. He was one of the best to talk to in the locker room, was always willing to speak freely and was always willing to back up his teammates too. And you could see that with the way that he handled the Marshawn Neyland situation and kind of everything that came after that. So I know for a fact we're going to see OSA Odigi Zu making plays for San Francisco and it's going to hurt a little bit, but we are going to look and see him down the line as a very good football player.

[C]

Yeah, 100%.

[D]

100%, no doubt. I think, you know, the Cowboys lost two big leadership presences yesterday in their room and both defensive tackles and OSA and Solomon Thomas, two genuinely good people. And so yeah, that aspect of it is, is definitely going to be missed. And I want to give a shout out to Nick because Nick has been, Nick was on top of this Whole story, the whole time with also Diggie Zua. He crushed it from, from start to finish. So credit to you, man.

[C]

Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's, it sucks when a, when a big W is at the expense of one of my favorite guys in the locker. But I think the scheme fit for him in San Francisco is going to be fant. And I will say I think the return was a little bit more than I expected. You know, when I was hearing earlier this week about an OSA Digizi would trade, I was just kind of theorizing like, okay, fourth round would be really good value. They end up getting a third rounder top 100 pick. Sure, it's back into the third round, but you're, you're alive on day two and I still don't think it prevents you from trading back and picking up even more capital in day two, which I'm sure is something we'll dive into. But man, I am just so excited that we get to dive into day two players because this, this whole time I was as I've been going through my prep, like, I'll still look at day two guys, but I'll look at them be like, gosh, I love this player, but there's no point in watching three games. And so I was like, I'll watch two games. And so now I can go back and watch three games of all these day two guys. And I'm really excited to do so.

[A]

Yeah, you got pick 12 and 20, as we already knew about. You now have pick 92, which is exactly where I think a lot of the value in the draft ends up. And kind of what you've talked about already, we've looked at it with one general look of everything and seeing everybody mock these guys one way or the other, whether it's going to be Dallas reaching on a position and then turning around and not being able to draft that position again until day three. Now you kind of get to maneuver a little bit as normal. You've got three picks in the top 100, just as most teams normally would anyways, and you can kind of set yourself up for success from this point forward.

[D]

Yeah, I don't think the general process of anything is going to change, but you do have a little bit more flexibility. When will McClay and his staff are looking there and saying, okay, how do you balance our roster needs after free agency and where the depth in this class is? We think about some of the rooms that we think there's depth in this class, like corner or linebacker. Those positions Is that something that the Cowboys would feel comfortable with waiting until that 92nd pick to say, hey, we feel like we can still get a plus player for us back there and would that maybe change how they look at 12 and 20 again? And I don't think the general process of how they prepare for the draft changes. They're going to set their board and they're going to stick to it. They've shown that in the past. But do you maybe get a little bit more inkling in the back of your mind to say, hey, we, we might be able to draft something else here with these two first round picks and hope that one of these guys is on the board at 92 now? Is hope a general strategy that you want to lean on the draft? Absolutely not. But if you feel confident, you look at your board and say, hey, we've got, I don't know, seven or eight guys in the third round that we feel like we could that are going to be there or that we have maybe graded higher than the rest of the league. You know, I don't think that's a bad position for yourself to be in.

[C]

I'm glad Vodch is not on today for this one question.

[A]

Let me ask you this question.

[C]

Does this give you more freedom to trade up to 6?

[D]

I would have done it even if they didn't make it.

[C]

I think it does give you more freedom. Not only does it give you more freedom for that, I think it also gives you slightly more freedom to take an offensive player in the first round. I am not co signing that. I want to, I want to throw that in there. I am not co signing drafting an offensive player in the first round, but it does give you a bit more freedom when you have that third round pick. And I've talked about the safety class ad nauseum. I love this safety class and I think pick 92 is going to be the sweet spot for that safety to get a really good safety.

[A]

Ad but if you're going up to six, who are you going to get? If you're going to move up and go take a guy, would it be Caleb downs and then you're missing out in your sweet spot in the third

[C]

round downs or styles and then. Yeah, I mean, you know, then there's, there's linebackers there on day. Day two, you know, you can go grab. But no, it's. It just gives you a lot more freedom to move around in this draft. A and it gives you a bit more flexibility and positions you can grab as well.

[A]

Do you think A move like this makes it more likely Dallas trades up or trades back down because of now the, the. I know picking at 92 and 112 doesn't sound like a lot, but that, I mean, those are premium picks that you're going to expect a guy to come in and possibly contribute right away.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you already have those three guys available. Do you think trading down is also a possibility?

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

More so now than it was beforehand.

[C]

I don't know if it was more so, but. Because if there's an opportunity to trade back from 20 to, I don't know, 26 and you pick up a day two pick, you go do it. It's no different than the conversation we had on draft day two years ago when we were talking about the Tyler Guyton draft when it was Graham Barton sitting there. Or do you parachute and go back a few spots? They did that. They drafted Tyler Guyn and they got Cooper BB with that pick. And so if a similar opportunity presents itself, go do it. I mean, there's been a mock trade that I've seen quite a bit over the course of the last few weeks with the, with the Buffalo Bills where they trade up to 20 and then the Cowboys trade back to 26, just like I mentioned and they pick up pick 91. And so you would pick, you pick 91 and 92 and you get two third round picks there by. By parachuting out from six spots in the first round. But I still think there's going to be opportunities that present themselves for them to be able to trade back both at 12 and 20. But it doesn't necessarily marry you to that. You can stick and pick a lot easier at 12 and 20 now that you do have a day two pick.

[D]

I think they've set themselves up in a way to where whatever strategy they want to go with, whether it's trade up, trade back, stick and pick. I think you've got three picks now to where you feel like you can pick some pretty good players at each spot.

[A]

Let's talk about 92 then. What are some of the names you mentioned? Safety, class, linebacker. What are some of the names that you see as a third round possibility around that spot?

[C]

Yeah, so I had put down some names here.

[A]

These are mostly three four round guys, right? Honestly, not three, four scheme, three third round, fourth round type of guy.

[C]

There's so many second and third round players in this draft though. I think you can get a third round quality player at 92. And so I wonder about trade and stukes, you know, because I I see varying values on him. I have a second round grade on trade and Stukes. I think he's a versatile guy. You can play a corner, you can play at safety. Malik Muhammad is going to be in that mix. I think at the, at the back end of the third round he, he all of a sudden becomes, you know, part of this mix. Xavian Harris, the defensive tackle out of Ole Miss, he was a guy who had a good combine. I think he's going to be in the back end of that third round. We've talked about Genesis Smith, the safety out of Arizona, like he'll be in that mix. And then if you're looking for edge rusher, I think that's probably going to be the sweet spot for like a Gabe Yakis out of Illinois or Zion Young's probably going to go in the second round but I'll throw Zion Young out of Missouri in there. And then if you're looking from the linebacker spot, Bryce Bettcher might be a little rich for him, but Bryce Betcher could be somebody in that sweet spot in there. And then I have to throw out our boy Chucky D. Charles. Yeah, I think he'll be there in the back end of the third round.

[A]

Bet you're out of Oregon.

[C]

Although. Yeah. Bryce betrayal out of Oregon. Although I think Charles Demings out of Stephen F. Austin might be more of a. Might make more since at 112.

[A]

That would be awesome. I love that I would high five everyone in the room.

[C]

It'd be the best draft show interview. No. Second, did you imagine after the one

[A]

we did in Mobile, did you imagine the secret audio on that? If you haven't watched it yet, go back. It was what our second show in Mobile.

[C]

I don't remember.

[A]

It was one of those. Just go watch all three of them. We could use the numbers. That'd be great. The Chucky D. Charles Demings is his name. Awesome, awesome interview. And yeah, the secret audio for that would be he would probably give a sermon to Jerry Jones.

[C]

He's a damn good player too. Like it's not, it's.

[A]

There's nothing about him tested off the charts in Indy.

[C]

Yes. And he is skyrocketing. His. His stock is skyrocketing. So yeah, that would be awesome guys

[D]

that I've got in the third round that I would love. It just depends, you know whether or not they're there at 92 because again that is a later third round pick. Keith Abney, the corner from Arizona State I think would be great there. Derek Moore the outside linebacker from Michigan. I think he would be great there. Muhammad is one of them. And Dalen Everett, the corner from Georgia. I just wonder if he goes before that. I think that's a guy that can be versatile in terms of playing on the outside and playing in nickel. It's just a matter of getting him those reps. Would, would 92 be a little rich for Harold Perkins or do you feel like out of lsu or do you think that that could be one that you could try and get? 20 picks later at 112, there's Keith Abney that you're seeing here on your screen. Now just to super physical corner. You're going to have to be okay with some, you know, with some over physicality at times and he might draw a couple of penalties, but I think he's one of the most aggressive in a good way corners in this class and just consistently has a nose for breaking the pass up, being physical with his receiver, even though he's not necessarily the biggest corner in the world. You know, would Ethan Burke from, from Texas be a guy that they look at and say, hey, this might be a scheme fit type of player to where he's big and he can set the edge in the run game for you out of Texas? So there, there's going to be a lot of options when you get there at 92 and then naturally you're just going to have guys that you're going to look at the board and say how on earth are they still sitting there? And so that'll always be a, A plus for you too.

[C]

I forgot one name and it was literally as the trade dust kind of settled yesterday and I was thinking, okay, I was like, pick 92. And I was like, ooh, Bud Clark, TCU. Yeah, I was like, I think that's a good one spot for him. And I would. If they don't get safety, if they don't address safety on day one, then Bud Clark I think is somebody you could bring in and he could, he would make a lot of sense there at that 92 pick.

[A]

Yeah, lots of really fun names I think across the board when it comes to that 3, 4 mark, that's where a lot of the cheater grades are, you know, like right on the edge of day three going into day two. And you're going to get to see the entire board fall in front of you beforehand too. And you're going to have some time depending on when they pick, if they pick in the second round, that would be a big thing for them is just to see where. Where the runs are starting, where they're happening. And you could also use that pick as leverage, too, down the line now, now that they've moved on Formosa Odigizua, now that they've moved on from Solomon Thomas, does that create another need on your defensive line? Or is this something that was procedural anyways? It was going to happen because of the contract and because of the scheme fit. And with a 3, 4, you feel pretty good about what they've got up front anyways.

[C]

It did surprise me to see them go back to back like that.

[D]

Very quick, Very quick.

[C]

And I. I think both of them could have worked in the scheme now, you know, it's. It's basically Christian Parker. You know, he bought a house, and this house was absolutely destroyed. It had some good marble in it that, you know, but sometimes when that marble countertop is. There's mold underneath it. Sometimes you got to rip out the whole countertop. And so I respect it. But he better put a really damn good countertop on front, on top of it when he's all said and done, because he just wasted a lot of money there, you know, ripping that perfectly fine marble countertop. You see where I'm going with this?

[A]

Dude, that might be the best metaphor, most well explained metaphor I've ever heard on this show.

[C]

I appreciate that. I feel like I was rambling.

[A]

I almost cussed because it was so good. Wow. Like, I was like, oh, my God,

[C]

he's got to build this house up from the ground floor up. And I get it.

[A]

So many layers.

[C]

But I think with. With this defensive tackle movement, it puts you in a position to draft one. Do you have to draft one? I don't necessarily think so. I have a good buddy who covers the Chargers. Shout out to Alex Katzen. He does fantastic draft work, by the way. Go follow his stuff. But he DM me yesterday. He's. Does this make the Cowboys a player for a defensive tackle at 20? Because the Chargers are almost certainly grabbing a defensive tackle. They are at, like, 23. Check that. Yeah, check that for. I think they're like, 22 or 23.

[D]

Give me a sec.

[C]

But I was like, yeah, but, like, it's still behind edge rusher, line 22. It's still behind edge rusher, linebacker, corner, and depending on who they draft at 12 safety. So it's. Is it a need now? Yes, but I don't necessarily see it as a pressing need. You still have two quality starters in there, but you do have to plan for the event. Okay, let's Say one of them gets hurt. Do you feel good about Jay Toya or Otito Ogbania being the guy that comes in and fills in? I don't necessarily think that's, you know, a lot of comfort necessarily. And there's going to be guys who pop up at training camp potentially. Remember, Perry on Winfrey wasn't even on this roster until training camp last year. And not to say that Perry on a guy like Perry on Winfrey would be the answer, but it might be a good depth piece to be able to have. They also parted ways with him too in the last week. So that's three defensive tackles now. But yeah, that's just Christian Parker ripping up this whole countertop.

[D]

I think you're also kind of seeing Christian Parker telegraph the kind of bodies that he wants at defensive tackle. Quinn Williams 6 3, 303 pounds Kenny Clark 63 3, 14 Otito Bonya 6 4, 320 pounds vs Odigizua 62280 Solomon Thomas 62 2, 85 so he wants these bigger, heavier defensive tackles that are going to work in the scheme. And I agree with Nick. I think both also Diggy Zoo and Solomon Thomas would have been just fine in the scheme. Are they perfect fits? Maybe not, but I think you could have made it work. So is it something that you see on day one with those two first round picks? I don't think so. But with a 92 potentially or a 112 if they drafted defensive tackle, I don't think I would be shocked there.

[A]

Yeah, I'm looking at a mock draft right here where it does have the updated four picks. And this is off of Tankathon, which it's an okay website. I just think it's kind of fun to keep like a reference of what other other teams are looking at. But Dallas they have taking Dylan Theatman at 12 out of Oregon. Then they have Keldrick Falk out of Auburn at the edge spot at 20 will lead. The third is the corner out of Texas A and M. They take, they have him taken at 92 and then they have Harold Perkins Jr. The linebacker out of LSU as 112. So I mean just as you look at it there, not that that's cut and dry and that's what what's going to end up happening. But they, they said no, they don't need to necessarily address defensive tackle in the first four picks and I'm kind of with them. I think take the player name out of the conversation and I would be just fine with a safety and Edge a corner and a linebacker that fills your needs. It's all defense. I'm cool with that. You might hit on one or two of those guys. You may not hit on one or two of those guys, but immediately that's four guys on your defense and four names that immediately are going to be contributors into year one and going to have some stuff. We're taking a look at Will Lee now on the, on the, the footage here, but six foot one and a half, 189 pounds. Kind of a guy who can play inside and outside too, probably. Is he going to be a nickel at the NFL level or would you still put him outside on the boundary more?

[C]

Yeah, it would probably make sense at nickel given the body type. But I'd be curious to see if they experiment with him on the outside once he, you know, gets to OTAs, rookie minicamp, things of that sort, because he certainly has the physicality to be able to play that position. I just wonder about the size of a lot of these big X wide receivers in the NFL, if he can hang with them. But he has the physicality. I think he has that dog mentality that they certainly will need at the corner spot. I'm a big fan of Willie. I think a third round 92 is actually a really good sweet spot for him.

[A]

When you look at the defensive tackle position and kind of like what Tommy just alluded to there, we're seeing kind of the blueprint of what Christian Parker wants in his defensive tackles. Are there any defensive tackle guys in this draft class that you can now circle and say, hey, that's a perfect fit for what Christian Parker's trying to do up front in terms of size, speed, athleticism.

[C]

Big Citrus. Let's go. Let's do it.

[D]

Big Citrus.

[C]

Dominique Orange out of Iowa State. Big Citrus. Citrus. Yeah, I, I, I would buy a

[A]

jersey that said that.

[C]

I, I, I love the size on this kid. And sure, maybe his Ireland game this last year was kind of a linsanity moment. Okay. But what we saw in that game was absolutely phenomenal from. I'm a big fan of this kid. Sorry, I'm trying to pull up and my computer's not really giving me what I love right now.

[A]

I've got it right.

[C]

6 foot 2, 322 pounds. So like his height and weight measurements are exactly what they brought in an otito agonia and he can play that no spot. I think you could slide him and play him in the B gap at times as well, which is also what a Tito Ebonia Did I think this would be a perfect rotational guy with Ebonia and potentially would probably overtake a Bonya when it comes to rotational snaps.

[A]

Yeah, I have him as one of the strongest defensive linemen in the draft. Legend has it Orange squatted 650 pounds, cleaned 365 and benched 450 during his final off season in Ames. So that was last summer.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was benching and squatting and cleaning all that stuff. You talk about the imaginary or the possibilities there with an NFL strength staff and what he could bring. You talk about him as the big Orange. There are some things he's got to be better at. He didn't have a ton of production outside of that one game in Ireland, but just one sack, 50 college games, wasn't asked to pass rush a ton. And he didn't have like those counter moves with the hands that I kind of want to see to get off of blockers at different times. And his balance at some points was kind of leaning forward or kind of falling off and so that was concerning. But you talk about eating up multiple gaps, being a big time, big body defensive tackle. That's, that's, that's a guy that I would be totally okay with. Where do you have him?

[C]

I have a late second.

[A]

Okay. See, I have him in the late

[C]

third and I feel like it might be a little rich.

[A]

Yeah. See, I had.

[C]

I feel like I thought I was

[A]

going to be high at late third.

[C]

Yeah. I think he might end up being a third round type player, but that

[A]

would be cool though.

[C]

Yeah. 92 spot. 92 spot probably makes a lot of sense.

[A]

That would be a big time get. And he's, he's got room to grow. I know he's big, but he's got room to grow into that role. So a couple guys.

[D]

I'll give you two more names, please. Daryl Jackson, Jr. Florida State, 6, 5, 3, 15. Had a really good Senior Bowl. He was just tearing stuff up. Yeah. So that's a guy that I feel like could fit that profile. And then if they're looking for, for more of a nose guy who's got a little bit more athleticism to him than some noses and you might have to sacrifice an anchor for it. Cameron ball from Arkansas, 6, 4, 3, 10. I think that those are two guys that maybe you could see sitting in that 92, 112 range.

[C]

How do you guys feel about Peter Woods?

[A]

I like Peter Woods.

[D]

I do too. I would be lying if I said last year didn't worry me though.

[C]

So I talked to some people that surround the Clemson program and just kind of get an idea of like what happened in 2025, not only with Clemson in general, but Peter woods specifically. They asked Peter woods going into 2024 to lose weight because they wanted to play him more on the four. I play him inside as well, playing more in the B gap as well. And he did that. And he was fl phenomenal. He had some really good tape in 2024. And then going into this last season, like weeks before the season started, they're like, hey, we're going to move you to one Tech and you're going to play some nose as well, but you're going to stay the same height you are even though we asked you to lose weight last year. And so he was 20 pounds lighter than he probably should have been undersized playing at the 1 tech spot. And so with Peter Woods, I take last year with a bit of grain of salt because I feel like it sounds like at least there was some miscalculation from Clemson's about how they, you know, shaped his body to play that position. I've watched Peter woods play football since he was a sophomore in high school in Alabaster, Alabama. This kid is going to play in the NFL for 10 years. He is that, he is that impressive. He's athletic, he's talented, he's skilled, he's knowledgeable. He, he calls out, fronts for, for the Clemson defense as well. He gets every guy, all the guys in position that are on the front so that the linebackers just have to worry about the coverage aspect of things. Peter woods, look, if they took him at 20, I'm okay with that because I think he could play the four eye spot. I think he could slide in and play some defensive tackle spot as well. It gives you a versatile piece on that defensive line. I think that would be an awesome pick for the Dallas Cowboys at number 20. And hate on me all you want. Go ahead and tweet.

[D]

No, I'm not hating.

[C]

No, no, not you. Maybe I should look at the camera. I just happen to be looking right at the eyes. I love Peter Woods. I think this is a fantastic player. He's. He's going to stick as a first round great for me.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, I've graded him in the first round too, but it's. No, I would not. I wouldn't mind the pick at 20. Just depends who's there. If there's somebody else there, I would, I would hope that if there's another position of need there and you have A player that is ranked similarly, I think I might be okay saying, hey, we've got two really good defensive tackles that we're confident in. Yeah, maybe they add another more, one more after that or something like that or here in the next couple weeks leading up to the draft or try to get somebody later, I think that you can still get a serviceable player that fits what you're trying to do while recognizing, hey, we've got a lot of premium players at this position and we need help elsewhere. But no, Woods I think is a good player. My question would be if he even makes it 220. I don't know if he will. Somebody might, I think somebody like he

[C]

might not make it to 12.

[D]

No, he might not. I think somebody, they like him enough and there's going to be somebody who likes a defensive tackle enough and he's probably, I would say he is the defensive tackle in this class.

[A]

Same here. He's the only first round grade that I've got. And Nick, you said it, I think you said it about the enemy the other day. He was your final first round grade. Yeah, that's me with Peter Woods. He's in there, but he's my final first round grade. So if that's the case and if teams that do run the 3, 4 see that 2024 tape and they start kind of maneuvering and going closer to that because it's not like he struggled because of injury, he struggled because of system. Yeah. And if you're going to put him back in the system that he excelled in and helped lead a Clemson defense to be one of the best in college football in 2024, then maybe he does start climbing draft boards and 20 isn't even going to be enough to get him there.

[D]

Right.

[C]

I've referred to this Mike Sando article on the Times. It's a fantastic piece just because I think it gives you a really good sense of where these teams are looking at least at this point in the draft process. So what he did as a refresher, he went and talked to four high ranking executives in the NFL during combine week and he said, give me your top 10 that you think is going to be drafted one through 10. And he listed them all. Exec one, this is his top 10. Exec two, blah, blah, blah. So exec four had Peter woods at number 10 overall and the overall consensus from the top 10 was that he would go number 10 overall to the Cincinnati Bengals. And so something to keep an eye on for sure. Peter woods is a top 10 caliber player. least in the eyes of some high ranking executives in the NFL.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So if you want to hate on me, I'll. I'll point to that too.

[A]

We'll see what happens on draft week. Yeah, and then what?

[C]

We got an open chair. I'll come fight you today.

[A]

Let's get after it. All right. When we come back, it's time for Twitter on the 20. I got a question about a sleeper defensive tackle on day three that we might be able to dive into a little bit here. Plus, we'll answer the rest of your NFL draft questions. More of the draft show right after this.

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[A]

That was Better than the actual drop, honestly.

[C]

Can we clip that?

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[A]

Thank you, Beamer. All right, John wants to know what can C.J. allen do that Kyle Lewis can't? C.J. allen, linebacker out of Georgia. Of course, Kyle Lewis out of Pitt.

[C]

Yeah. I'm more of a fan of his communication skills and being able to man all 10 guys around him and control that. I like Kyle Lewis. Good player. Yeah, I think probably you're going to see him more in like a nickel scenario there where I think you're going to see C.J. allen on a down to down basis. It's a pretty clear difference for me.

[D]

Yeah, I would agree with that. I think C.J. allen is a clear captain of the middle of your defense kind of player and that's where he's his best at and he should not move from there. Whereas Lewis a little bit smaller, not by much, but a little bit smaller and has more ability to move around. So it really just kind of depends what you want. If you want your true Mike linebacker that is going to call things out and move guys around, get guys in place, then it's C.J. allen. If you want your chess piece that can run all over the field and do some different things for you, then it's Lewis. So I'm not saying you can really go wrong either way, but of the two, I would rather have Allen

[A]

Brady wants to know, he said with the OSA and Thomas trades, who are some 3, 4 defensive line prospects that we should be paying attention to? Kind of answered that in the first question. So I'm going to maneuver this question or first segment. I'm going to maneuver this question a little bit. Is there any sort of emphasis that we should be looking at under a microscope for guys that are only three, four guys they just moved on from guys that probably could have worked in the system. But what about other position and not just defensive tackle, but in the front seven in general? How much are we going to put emphasis on draft prospects that are only going to fit in a three, four?

[C]

Yeah, I think for me at least it's going to have to fit under two boxes. Either one, it's going to have to be your big 320 pound plus guy who can man the middle and, you know, play in multiple gaps. Kind of do the, the, the meerkat thing where you kind of look around each hole and try to see which one you need to be flying.

[A]

What was that again?

[C]

You know, like the, you know, you do like the, do one of these around each a gap.

[A]

I'm glad you were able to show that.

[C]

Absolutely. Yeah. And then. Or the other box that he fits in, he has to have four eye versatility. Yeah. And that's why I point out a guy like Peter woods, because if you have that versatility and you can play in either spot, then obviously that allows everyone else to move around.

[D]

What I'm interested to see with Christian Parker and I think this, this draft is going to tell us a lot with that and the further things that we see throughout the rest of the off season is what does he want his outside linebackers to look like? What kind of. Are you okay with some of the smaller, quicker guys like a Donovan as a Rocku type of build where they're not necessarily the typical 3, 4, 6, 5 long arm edge setters? Because he said that this is not, you know, this is going to be a 3, 4 with 3, 4 with 4, 3 spacing. So it's a little bit different than your textbook, you know, 3, 4 defense. So does that mean, you know, guys like T.J. parker from Clemson are more in the mix or. I'm apologizing in advance for the many fans that are going to hit me for saying this, but Keldrick Falk from Auburn, is that the kind of player that he's maybe looking for in those kind of scenarios? Or would you be okay with our Mason Thomas, some of those, some of those smaller guys that can maybe, you know, be your speed guys off the edge? Do you want a mix of both? It's going to be interesting to see how that, how that parlays into what he wants this defensive line to look like. But when you look at what they've done so far, they've gotten the big guy in Rashawn Gary and is it going to be, you know, you want your, be your big guy on one side, you want your speed guy on the other, you want two of both. Do you want to move guys around situationally? That's going to be fascinating to watch. But the good thing is this class is going to be, you know, they're going to have options at both kinds of players. There's Kieran Crawford, a guy that I love a ton from Auburn. So both of your Auburn edge guys, I think are true possibilities too.

[A]

And don't feel bad for bringing up Keldrick Falk's name because if we didn't bring it up and then he gets drafted on day one, everybody's going to be mad at Us then so.

[B]

No.

[A]

Well, I'm bringing it up as a possibility because it is a possibility.

[D]

It is a possibility. I've just, I've just seen so many people just dislike Keldrick Falk. I don't think he's a bad player. He might not be the pass rusher that folks want him to be, but I think he's the best run defending edge in this class.

[A]

I don't disagree there. Anthony wants us to stack these four wide receivers. North Dakota State wide receiver Bryce Lance. Okay. USC wide receiver Jacoby Lane. Tennessee wide receiver Chris Brazil. The second.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That's kind of where I'm leaning to. And then Notre Dame wide receiver Malachi Fields.

[C]

Okay. I would go Brazel. Yeah, I love him to death.

[A]

Yeah, you're really, you've talked about him before but you're super high on him.

[C]

Brazil, Lane, Fields, Lance.

[D]

I'm the same way.

[A]

I have them all four right here too. I have Brazil as third round. I have Lane as a fourth, Fields as a fifth. And then I have what was the last one? Price Lance. Have him as a late, late fifth.

[C]

And in case you don't know, brother of Trey Lance, which he's, he's physical. He can be a red zone threat for you. And this is not to discredit Bryce Lance. I just think he's more of a fourth round guy because it we have seen typically like the big bodied ex receivers coming from the FCS level have tended to struggle a bit early in their career. The one exception that I will point to is another North Dakota State guy and Christian Watson. Other than that like we've seen the big bodied X guys coming from the FCS level struggle a bit to get going. But that doesn't mean that he, he can't eventually be that. I'll also throw out Andre Yosivas from Princeton who's he's played with Cincinnati and been kind of their wide rece or three last couple years. I think he's been really good.

[A]

But great name dude.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. Great hair too. Best hair in the NFL. But Bryce Lance. Yeah. You see the red zone threat right here. Shout out to Beamer.

[D]

Well, what's interesting about Lance is he's quicker than those guys. 4, 3, 4 at the combine he probably tested better than maybe any wide receiver did at the combine. So I wonder how much that changes things for teams because he's going to have the long speed and build up speed that that are going to separate him but Brazil and if we're talking just about that stack Brazil's got the speed too. He's so fast. And it's just a question of, you know, again, you don't scout the helmet necessarily, but we've heard time and time again with these Tennessee receivers and how NFL teams think about him. You know, is Brazel a little bit different? I think you saw some difference in his two lane tape, but it's just a matter of, are you comfortable with that? Jacoby Lane is a guy that I like a lot. Super, super, super athletic. I would even consider it closer at the top between Lane and Brazel than most would think. And then Fields had a good Senior bowl and then I just didn't have a really good combine.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So that was. That's what worries me. That's what, that's what puts them down there for me.

[A]

Yeah. Cameron wants to know, with the limited adjustments in the DB room and the addition of Jalen Thompson, do you think Thompson automatically takes the starting job and sort of changes the way that the focus is on the draft? And this is a tweet from a couple days ago. Let's just add in the safeties that they have added to the fold too, because they not only sign Jalen Thompson, but they add another name in the back of the secondary as well.

[C]

So it's saying, does it eradicate the need for a safety? Is that what he's asking?

[A]

It changes the thought process. That's what he's asking.

[C]

I don't think it changes the thought process. I don't think so necessarily, because I think you could play Jalen Thompson not only at the strong safety spot when you mentioned this on Tuesday, but also in the nickel spot. And I like PJ Luck. I think he's a good rotational player. I think of him more as the Wanye Thomas on the roster going into this year. Whereas, like, hey, if you need a spot start, he can be there for you and he's going to be reliable. I don't know if he's going to be a 17 game starter there for you though, in a really good special teams player. But I think if they head into the draft as it currently sits in that DB room, I think, you know, if you have a safety there at 12 or if you have a nickel there at 12, you swing on that. That absolutely. It's no different than before. Jaylen Thompson.

[D]

This would not stop me from going up and getting downs or taking the men from Oregon at 12 or 20. I. I wouldn't not do that. We just talked to Jaylen Thompson upstairs. He signed his contract at the Start today. And he just continued to. Hey, you signed a contract. What's what contract?

[C]

You signed espn.

[A]

Espn.

[C]

That's a different episode.

[A]

Episode.

[C]

You can't talk about espn, cannas.

[A]

It's very much within the.

[D]

That is definitely in the last episode

[C]

thing, instigating both of you.

[A]

Yeah. Wait, whose team are you on?

[D]

You've been an instigator this week.

[A]

No, but he was calling the MLS this weekend.

[D]

We're going to have an article over on Dallas Cowboys.com later today with him just talking about how comfortable he is playing in those different spots. They asked him to play a little bit more nickel. Last year at Arizona, Ryan Smith was the cornerbacks coach there. He worked. Worked more with him there and now he's here in Dallas as the secondary coach. It means he's going to be working with the safeties a little bit more. So there's familiarity there. And I think that's one where Christian Parker and Ryan Smith, who are close, you know, getting on the same page of, hey, we have a shared vision for how we can use Jalen Thompson and he feels like he can fit a lot of different hats in this defense. So it just depends what they need. And that's why I would feel completely comfortable with taking another safety at 12, 20, 92, 112. I think you can still make room for everybody and have a contributing effort from everybody that you bring in.

[C]

I'm not trying to hijack, but can I throw out a random thought?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I want to talk about the linebacker position really quick.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I. And I think we can look at some tea leaves about how free agency has played out at the linebacker spot and we can kind of, we can kind of put that conversation into the draft conversation. And being that this is just me theorizing, this isn't necessarily like me pulling anything from anybody. I'm getting the sense that somebody is very peculiar about what they want at linebacker on this, on this roster. Whether that be Christian Parker, whether that be linebackers coach Scott Simons could even be outside linebackers coach Chidera, who's at Rebate. Something is telling me that this, this is a very peculiar. They are looking for a very certain type of guy. And if that's the case, I'm very curious to see who they bring in for 30 visits, who we can. What common trait we can find with all those guys and what we can peel back from that. Because for me, what I'm looking at, I'm seeing, hey, all these free agent names that are still on the board. Bobby o', Carrick, Bobby Wagner, Some guys who have had experience playing in the middle and being good playing in the middle don't have a lot of interest. There's a trade target out there that we can't talk about. They don't have a lot of interest. And it makes sense, you know, Are they perfect players? No, but they're better than what you have at middle linebacker right now. They're. I think they're chasing down a very certain specific type of player and I think it's just something to watch as we go through this draft process.

[A]

So even when we get into the 30 visit list, when it starts kind of making his way its way out there, we're probably going to learn more about what they want at linebacker than any other position.

[C]

Yes. Yeah. Yes. I think so.

[A]

Smalls wants to know, and this is kind of along the same lines, but a little bit different. And I feel like, what's up, Smalls?

[C]

What's up, Smalls?

[A]

We're like it. Chris. Chris is popping in, like saying, what's up to everybody. The interesting part of this question, this is not a question that I would ask just because I know what the answer is, but I do want to answer it on this airwave. Does the OSA trade indicate a quote unquote, take your medicine type of off season? Doing some moves that many will not like for the future health of this defense? You're killing us, Smalls.

[C]

I understand the question. Run it back. Run it back. Back.

[A]

Yeah. Does the OSA trade.

[C]

I don't.

[D]

I understand the question. Ask it again.

[A]

Can you say that over again? You're giving us flack. Does the OSA you are killing.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Does the OSA trade indicate a take your medicine type of off season, doing some moves that many will not like for the future health of this defense?

[C]

You got to rip off that beautiful marble because there's mold all over the house. Yeah.

[A]

It goes back to what you were talking about.

[C]

I'm just going to continue to hammer it. It was really good, you guys.

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Banger of a metaphor, but I write an article. Article on it with.

[C]

With. Okay, now we're talking.

[A]

There's your content piece that actually.

[C]

Thank you.

[D]

Actually Thursdays in the books.

[C]

Thanks, Kyle. Speaking of books, when you look at the books in future years and you understand that the money that they are pushing down the line offloading OSA's contract makes a lot of sense to free up room in 27, 28 and 29 to be able to operate freely within those bounds. And so they've Pushed so much money into future years over the course of the last couple of weeks that they had to find some freedom somewhere. This is where they find that freedom. So yeah, that, that's part of it also. You know, it could just be as simple as, hey, he won the scheme fit, let's try to get value. And that's what it was. And you know it. I found it interesting that they decided to do it right now instead of after June 1st. So that third round pick, they have basically already put $12 million into that third round period because the dead cap hit today was 16 mil. The dead cap after June 1st would have been 4 mil to, to trade Osa Digizua. But they're like, hey, we need that draft pick in 2026, we're okay spending that 12 mil right now to be able to have that spot. So they feel, they feel really good about something in that wheelhouse. They have to.

[A]

Not to mention the value that we talked about earlier, like you said, the fact that it is a third round pick and not a fourth or a fifth round pick, which is kind of what at least the general consensus was. But, but this was not a move that they enjoyed doing. Like, I don't think they wanted to trade OSA if it wasn't for the numbers and it wasn't for the scheme change because they like OSA and they liked what he brought here. And I mean, as I said at the beginning of the show, he was a leader in the locker room. So I don't think it's a, I think it might be a taste, your medicine situation with the numbers more than it is with the person and with the player or the locker room or things like that. So. Interesting question for sure.

[D]

Well, there's no doubt about Oso Digizu or the locker, locker room presence with a person. I mean, they loved him here and there's that, that won't change. But at the end of the day it's a business. And I know that's a kind of overused term, but I was shocked they got the return that they did for him. I did not think he would be a third round pick. So I think you, you check a lot of boxes for your future in doing that. And again, I got nothing against Osodiz. It was always a pleasure to, to cover him here. But yeah, I think that ultimately is going to end up being more of a net positive really for both sides because he's got a chance to go and helped the 49ers defensive line. That just wasn't able to create anything, any sort of interior pressure and now they get Odiggy Zua who can do that for them and is familiar with Matt Eberfluss who's over there now and saw the Cowboys get a top 100 pick in a year that they need picks. So I think it works out for everybody.

[A]

Yeah. All right, let's take our second break. When we come back, I teased going into Twitter on the 20 the defensive tackle sleeper conversation. We're going to talk about defensive tackle as a whole because of the trade for Os for Solomon Thomas and what that leaves the situation is in now for Dallas. Let's talk about some of the superlatives on the defensive tackle position in this 2026 NFL Draft class. More to come with the Draft show right after this.

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back here on the draft show, 42 days away from the NFL draft. That also means we're 42 days away from the Lone Star Smoke out which is back in Arlington April 24th through the 26th. Watch headliners Riley Green, so Shabuzzi, Cole Wetzel and Morgan at this three day outdoor country music festival. Our soon to be guest on this show. Plus enjoy barbecue from some of the best pit masters in the country. Get your Tickets [e-mail] the official ticketing partner of AT&T Stadium. It's a, that is a really cool event. I'm really upset that they decided to make it on draft weekend because now, now you're going to have to listen to our coverage out there while you're at the Lone Star. Smoke out when you get your, your tickets on SeatGeek.com I don't know if you guys have been out to Arlington at all. The whole track set up for the Grand Prix out there this weekend is unreal.

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It is one of the coolest things I've ever seen in Arlington and that's saying something because there's a lot of cool stuff that happens out there. But yeah, it's, it's going to be unbelievable. So if you haven't gotten your tickets for that yet, I highly encourage it. Did the track tour yesterday. Awesome stuff. All right.

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All right.

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Back with Nick Harris, Tommy Yaris, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans talking about defensive tackle a little bit. We mentioned it a bit in the first segment, but I want to dive into the actual prospects here. Kind of like what we did on Tuesday with a linebacker. These are defensive tackle draft superlatives. These are not necessarily consensus awards or anything from the show. This is just your opinion. We'll start with the most technically skilled defensive tackle in the draft class who wants to kick things off.

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I'm just going to make it easy. Peter woods and I already talked about Peter Woods. I'm going to pass it to Tommy here.

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Peter Woods. But I think Kaden McDonald from Ohio State gives him a little bit of run for his money.

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It's a good one.

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I like Kate McDonald a lot from Ohio State.

[A]

Where do you have him? Top of the second, top of the second round. Tell me about him a little bit.

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Yeah. Six, three, three, 26. I need to double check the numbers on that. That's not correct. I'm sorry. 6, 2, 3, 26 combine. I think he had a better get off than I expected for a guy his size. Guy his size. He's not going to give you a ton of pass rush ability, but he's one of the better run defending guys. You can just stick in the middle of that defensive line. He plays too high sometimes but he's got the strength to make up for it and he'll still win because of his strength. When he's in the right spot, he's really hard to move. Takes up a couple blocks, can eat up gaps to make space for his other guys to go eat. And then like I said, super strong in the run game. It won't give you a lot as a pass rusher, but there's effort there. Good in stack and shed. If he, you know, continues to just refine and sharpen his technique, I think he's going to be a really good player.

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Yeah, Sid, outside of his bull rush, pass rush ability is limited and simple. We'll, we'll go high out of his stance at a couple times had that pad level up. Compromises his footwork because of it allows blockers to reach the second level. But he's an absolute unit. I mean one of the strongest players in the draft class. Controls the line of scrimmage. Gets his blockers on their heels pretty early with that, that power at the point of attacking with his hands. He's got some powerful hands. Yeah. I really think when we talk about linebackers across the board, who, who is a linebacker's best friend?

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A fantastic defensive tackle.

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Fantastic defensive tackle. Who are the top linebackers that we've talked about on the draft show all the way through the year? Arvell Reese, Sonny Styles, Ohio State. Who is their defensive tackle? That's Kaden McDonald. So if that tells you anything. I think there's, there's a correlation between the two for sure. And that defense was nasty.

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How did Ohio State win a national championship?

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That's one of the ultimate baubles. That's incredible. To lose two straight games at the end like that and to fall short, man. All right, so that's the most technically skilled. What about most athletic?

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I'm going to go with Zane Durant out of Penn State blew away the combine.475 was the fastest 40 of any defensive tackle. I'm telling you. What if I see a 290 pound man running at me? 475 speed. Speed. I, I might just. Hey man, you got me. Hey, let's, let's, let's just end it right here, buddies. He is shorter. 61290. There's probably going to be some things in the next level that he's going to have to figure out as far as he might be a tweener to play all the way inside. I think he's going to need a 4, 3 scheme at the next level just to be able to have more versatility to Play in different spots, but from an athletic standpoint, he certainly got it. We also jumped 33 and a half half of the combine as well.

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I'm gonna go with my guy. Vodch's favorite player, Caleb Banks. Yeah, I think he's, he's very what he can do at his size. 663-275-04, 40, 32 inch vertical, 96 broad. I think it's incredible. Now it's just about sharpening and rounding out the, the ins and outs of playing his game and playing at his best. If he goes and gets developed in the right place, he can be really, really good.

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It's funny, the next question on this is biggest upside. That's where I have Caleb Banks. I think he has just tremendous upside. All the stuff that he struggles with in my opinion are all fixable pad level and leverage. Not the technique. I think across the board. What's that?

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I have him as my biggest risk.

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Really, which is also. You could throw that. I think he has the biggest upside, but he also has the biggest risk because that technique, while it is, while it is teachable, doesn't mean that it's going to be taught or picked up the right way.

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He's kind of stiff for defensive. I mean defensive tackles are stiff, but for a defensive tackle he's kind of stiff. He's got the foot issue. I think there's a lot of risk involved. He's probably going to end up being drafted first round or early second and there's going to be a big risk involved in taking Caleb.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly. So that's funny that he can could possibly be the answer in all three of those most athletic, biggest upside, biggest risk all at the same time. Who are your biggest upside guys?

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I'm taking Xavier Harris, the 6 foot 8 man out of Ole Miss. Oh my goodness. When you talk about length, power playing the run game, pass rush, bull rush ability. He blocked six kicks during his career at Ole Miss. So day one he's going to have value on special teams. I'm a big fan of Xavier Harris because the things that he might need to improve in his game, which I think is like the short area, quickness in the twitch a bit. He's going to have time to develop that because he's going to be such a special teams demon. He's going to be able to stick around on our roster a long time and still be able to get rotational snaps at a defensive tackle spot. Maybe not a day one starter, but I think eventually will be a good Starter.

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Nice.

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Yeah. Biggest upside I'm going to flip flop with Nick is Peter Woods. I think that if, if they, if whatever team drafts him gets him to the point where he's at the right weight and in the right place. I, I guess I agree with that. He could be a 10 plus year player in this league and, and really be a stronghold of a team's defense and one of their core fundamental pieces going forward.

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I like that because he. Let's say he gets drafted like 16th overall, that wouldn't necessarily be a surprise. But if we look up in two years and we're like redrafting the 2026 draft, it would not surprise me if he's a top three guy. Yeah, would not surprise me at all.

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He's that type of player. Biggest value in the defensive tackle class.

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I struggled with this one just because I think the value is pretty. It's actually I think scouts have done a good job or at least media scouts have done a good job at least in my eyes. I'm going with Daryl Jackson out of Florida State. He's getting late third round. I think he has the potential to be a second round type of player though. He has a 7 foot 2 wingspan and you see that show up in the middle and it is just a nuisance. Florida State has had their issues the last two years no doubt, but a guy that I've seen continue to show some consistency there in the middle was, was Gerald Jackson. But I want to see him lose some bad weight. I think he has some bad weight on his body. I would like to see him turn some of that fat into muscle in his core. But nevertheless I think Daryl Jackson could end up being a good value add. I didn't feel great about that answer, but it was just one no.

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I like it because he's got, he's got the value and he's probably going to be a late day three pick. That's. I have him in the middle of the third. The thing that concerns me about him is he's going to be a two down guy. He's not going to be a three down player in my eyes. Looked worn down at times, especially late in games. One thing I did really like about him though, even with the length and the size that he has, he was still able to stay low out of his stance. He still got good leverage and had the good pad level which this is a class full of guys that are 6 foot 4, 6 foot 5, long arms and are high off the snap but they're so athletic and they're so talented that they're able to kind of readjust and hit their spot. He hits his spot right off of the jump. And so I think that's one thing that I really like with Darrell Jackson Jr. Final one before we wrap things up or actually two more. Biggest risk. You just mentioned it. With Caleb Banks out of Florida.

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I would agree with that.

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You're going to go with.

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I have nothing else to even add. I think that's easily the choice.

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That's where the upside comes in. Most likely to become a cowboy.

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And we kind of talked about scheme fit for some of these guys in the first segment. So I'm just going to go big Citrus. Just for the vibes.

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I like it.

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Just for the vibes.

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Only for the vibes.

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I'll throw Cameron ball from Arkansas in there.

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Okay. Tell me about him.

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I think he's just a. It would be my answer for value too because I think you know what you're getting in him. You're getting.

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Sorry I skipped you there.

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I didn't. No, it's okay. I don't forgive you. But sure, I'm just kidding. You're getting a big dude, six four, 310 pounds, 33 inch army. And he's a little bit more athletic than you would think for his size. Can take up one gap, can take up two gaps, but his effort is always there. And he may not be the run stuffer that you've got on every down, but I think that you can still afford to have him out there when you've got Quinn and Williams and Kenny Clark playing alongside him. Even if he comes in from a rotational standpoint. I think he's just been consistent, super experienced in college too at Arkansas and he's got a lot of games under his belt. He knows what he's seeing and I just think he would be a nice fit.

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I liked camera ball too. Enough to where I threw him in the magazine. I gave him a bio in the magazine as an under the radar player. So I'm right there with you. I think when you talk about late day two, early day three types of guys who maybe don't have the accolades that some of the other top guys are not all conference, all American type of players. Camera ball sticks out to me as a consistent, consistent playmaker for Arkansas the last couple of years. 50 games of experience. He had 12 and a half tackles for loss, three sacks. Started the final 30 games of his tenure. Football background. Was it enough to get him drafted? This is where I love like diving into the draft magazine how about the fact that he owns his own barbecue business?

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Oh, take him a 12. Take him a 12.

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How about this? Learned it from his dad who was a barbecue caterer full time and opened what they call called balls barbecue to cook food for teammates and other students in Fayetteville. So it's like a hole in the wall like out of his dorm room or out of his. Whatever type of scenario where he was cooking barbecue and talking about serving some of his student or his fellow students there. I think it's cool stuff.

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That is really cool.

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That's a great name. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, take him at 12.

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So there's our defensive tackle. We fixed the defensive tackle room.

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I'm glad Boch is in here today because I'd be via the floor and

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see if we get some balls barbecue here in Dallas. I would love.

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That's the name of the. The restaurant.

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I know. Yeah, it's great.

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It's his last name.

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That's what I'm trying to say.

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It wasn't that part.

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It wasn't that.

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I know.

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They take him. I think we should all. We should all try something.

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I think it sounds. Sounds like a plan. Sounds like a plan. But there you go. Defensive tackle scenarios for Dallas is kind of running down what the defensive tackle class looks like across the board. Between now and Tuesday there's going to be more news and more conversations. I think that'll probably change. Do you expect.

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Are you hinting at big free agency moves?

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That's what I was about to ask everybody.

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Kyle Yeomans is hinting at big free agencies.

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Do you think there is something to the back to back releasing of OSA and Solomon that could be a setup for a bigger move?

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Bobby Belt thinks so. I talked to him on the phone.

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He was very adamant with.

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I disagree with them. I think. I think they're just trying to get CAP compliant. I think so too, but we'll see. Bobby really does have a good feel for these things.

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The best thing was Rashawn Gary and Jalen Thompson. Exactly. Those are the two quote unquote sexy moves. You haven't made one yet. Do you have to make one to make this off season work though?

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12 and 20 could be that.

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That's all it is. All right, that does it for us here from the draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. This segment was also brought to you by your your Texas Ford dealers. Ford is the best in Texas. We will be back on Tuesday, 11am Central. Time to break it all down for you. Hopefully get everybody back in the building as well. For Nick Harris, for Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the draft show. We'll see you next week.

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