Bobby Belt (2:37)

Like.

Chris Beam (2:38)

Like, that guy's going way earlier. That guy's going way later. You know, like last year, we started hearing. Didn't know it was going to be fifth round, but we started hearing like, Shador Sanders is not like, going in the first is a common thought. And it may just be into day two, and then it went much longer than that. But, yeah, I think some of the stuff you. You've started figuring out about, maybe Keldrick Falk isn't somebody who teams are just in love with the traits enough to say we'll do top 15. Yeah. Jermod McCoy, how much people are concerned with that and some of the other just value swings that we're seeing a little bit.

Vach Lombardi (3:12)

Let me ask y' all this. How do y' all change? Or do you. Do y' all change Yalls thoughts on a player? The more, like, stuff happens and the more the hype kind of changes because just me personally and. And y' all ain't gotta be like me, but it's like, if I watch a. Like a way too early top whatever, and I see a player, if I don't like the player, I'll immediately start hating on the player. Like, I didn't like TJ Parker for a long time. So when people was like, oh, TJ Parker, like, Dane probably had like a top 100 way too early thing, and he was like the eighth guy. And I was like, no, no, what are you doing? I'm hating on this. I don't like this at all. But the flip side of that is I keep watching film going down the list, going down list. I say, okay, Harold Perkins, it's time to watch him. And I like him way than what national media may have. Like, if you look at these mock simulators, Harold Perkins may go in the sixth or something. I got a third on him. You know what I mean? So I feel like I'm always different than what the national conversation is. Do y' all feel that or do y' all change as it changes?

Bobby Belt (4:08)

I feel like there's going to be natural differences, because even in the room that we have here, I look at this as. And this is all set up based off of Brian Broaddus and what he did when he brought the draft show to life back in the. In the day with Ed Cahill and Dane Brugler. Everybody has their own opinion, and we bring it together and we talk about at the table like we are a war room. I'm going to have a different opinion on one guy than you will. I like TJ Parker out of Clemson. Do I think he's a top eight prospect? No. Like some of the other national media may have at one point in time, I think He's a top 15 player in the draft, but still probably much higher than you would have him. I'm not going to fluctuate based off of what I've seen out of mock drafts from Dane or from respected media personnel, anything of the sort.

Vach Lombardi (4:52)

But.

Bobby Belt (4:53)

But I will go back and if there are injury concerns or red flags or personality things that we start to learn just because we have the ability to talk to people within those rooms and within the buildings and within the walls, that might change where I would slot a player if it did boil down to it. But that would have to be a severe scenario, like the Caleb Downs thing. A lot of that is speculation. I've seen the tape. I'm okay with the risk. I think I would still take him at 12 knowing what I know now, even with the conversation that would happen earlier. And I still don't think he's getting the 12 even knowing what I know now and what the league knows now as well. I'm not changing a whole lot unless it's the outside factors off of the tape and off of the film that we get to learn along this process and in having those conversations with those that are entrenched into it.

Vach Lombardi (5:40)

Michelle?

Tommy Yarish (5:40)

Yeah, I think this, this process becomes a lot less fun if we're just all agreeing with each other, right? And if we're all just saying, yeah, I think this guy's a first rounder or a second round or two, what makes us great is that we're going to have disagreements. Like I'm prob. Probably the lowest out of everybody here on Cash is Howell from Texas A and M. And I think that's the beauty of this and the whole draft process. But my process that I've always used, not that I've had any scouting experience or anything like that, is just trust the tape and look at what's on film when it's 11 on 11 and then use everything else that you get. Combine Pro Day interviews, 30 visits, whatever, as just other data points that you can mix into your evaluation. But at the end of the day, for me, nothing's more important than what's on the field and what's on tape.

Chris Beam (6:23)

I, yeah, I will say it definitely is going to change. It will 100 change the way I project things. It's not going to change necessarily the way I feel about it, but like If I'm projecting certain things that'll change it. I will say though, that, you know, somebody had said to me once years ago, somebody in the. The scouting community had said that there's so much that goes into it, but like you, it's good that people are taking this. An interest in this and want to take it up. But you there. There are so many things that we spend so much time away from our families and other things to find out that we can't just see by like watching the tape. That that's got to be a big factor of two. So if, yeah, if I start hearing some of that stuff about people about. I. I will never forget when Anthony Richardson was coming out and I was in Indy and I was like, ah, like there's some good upset here. And then I just universally from everybody new heard was like, bad worker.

Bobby Belt (7:16)

Wow.

Chris Beam (7:16)

Bad worker. Or. And then somebody else I talked to was like, ah, well, there's some disagreement about is he a bad worker? He has never been taught how to work. And we're still trying to figure that. And so those sort of discussions, like, the more I hear about that sort of stuff, it's going to change. Then for me, like, okay, projection, like Tyler Smith on tape was like, yeah, that's not somebody who taking the first round. Well, then like we interview day three when Klein Kubiak comes in here and he was the area scout and he starts talking about like, you knew right away, you started hearing from everybody what a worker he was and how he took to teaching. And it's. That does start to change. All right, that projection will change a little bit for me. If I hear Keldrick Falk is like one of the best workers of all time, people are like, he's going to get it. Then that'll probably shift me a little more to feeling better about Keldrick Falk.

Bobby Belt (7:55)

Yeah, it's all those outside factors that not everybody gets to look at. And a lot of it we get to learn on draft weekend, like you said, when we have our conversations with the scouts and when we kind of get to hear what happened in the war room and what they're discussing in the back and forth and the behind the scenes of it all, it is going to kind of play a factor into it. But that's a good question. Botch. And I think kind of along the same lines, the athletic came out with a. It was a good question. The athletic came out with a beat Dr. Beat writer mock draft today, which I always think is interesting because these are guys that cover the beat of each team specifically and they end up representing their team through the 32 picks in the first round. They came out with one this morning and I kind of want to break down how they got to this point and what were some of the picks that made and led to the Cowboys at 12. And then I want to see as a consensus group what we would do in this situation. So Indiana quarterback off the board first Fernando Mendoza. We anticipate that number one overall to the Raiders, but then this is kind of where things start to roll from there. New York Jets Arvell Reese is the pick number two overall linebacker out of Ohio State. Zach Rosenblatt was the one that picked that one. For the athletic Arizona Cardinals go with Francis Malinoa, offensive tackle out of Miami.

Chris Beam (9:11)

I would just say to your point, that's a great example to me number three of why beat Rider drafts are good. Because nationally there's a lot of people who are mocking things to the Cardinals that are not offensive line. And almost every single Cardinals person I've seen is Mac is mocking an offensive lineman at three.

Bobby Belt (9:28)

I asked my friends with the Cardinals, Danny Srek who used to be on the show, all they're talking about, they are all offensive line, all heavy. So I think that's a pretty safe selection there. At three, Tennessee Titans at four. They take David Bailey, the edge rusher out of Texas Tech. Number five. The New York Giants take Sonny Stiles, linebacker, Ohio State. So through the top five picks you lose David Bailey, Sonny Stiles, Arvell Reese off the board. In your top five picks, any of those surprise you vouch?

Vach Lombardi (9:55)

Nah, man, we just going through our thing, man. You know the Cardinals can get anything. I knew that Bailey was going to go early. I'm shocked that sonny is at 5. I feel like the corner would have went first or the safety or whatever. But hey, they want to take Sonny. Anything can happen in the top 10.

Chris Beam (10:09)

I do, I do think the Giants like downs more downs more.

Bobby Belt (10:13)

There you go. So there's that element to it as well. 6 the Browns this is Tommy, this is your trade up scenario. Are you thinking with Caleb Downs still on the board at six of getting on the phone and at least having the conversation if you're in the war

Tommy Yarish (10:26)

room, absolutely no hesitation.

Vach Lombardi (10:29)

If you were the Browns or if you were the Cowboys. How do I wait time with time. Wait what time? If you were the Browns or if you were the Cowboys, as we have

Tommy Yarish (10:35)

said before, we are. This is the Cowboys draft show. But Todd, this perspective, right?

Vach Lombardi (10:41)

But Kyle, this is about the mock draft though, right? This is about the Browns.

Bobby Belt (10:43)

It is about the mock draft.

Vach Lombardi (10:44)

It's about the Browns. Tommy, if you the Browns, would you trade away from Caleb? We ain't fighting, but if you the Browns, would you trade away from Caleb Downs?

Tommy Yarish (10:49)

I would take having. They would have what, three. They would have three first round picks, right? I would take the three first round

Bobby Belt (10:54)

picks and just run from there. Would you.

Tommy Yarish (10:58)

Are they a Caleb Downs away from being good? Are they Caleb Downs away from.

Vach Lombardi (11:01)

I don't know nothing about the Browns

Tommy Yarish (11:02)

or would they be three first round picks?

Vach Lombardi (11:04)

I cover the Cowboys. I don't know nothing about the Browns. I cover the Downs Cowboys. What you say about it?

Chris Beam (11:08)

Yeah, this is a. Whether I would do that or not or whether the Cowboys would do that or not is a larger question of team building that probably gets way too deep into the weeds. But I would say Downs, as much as I love him, I don't know if at that point the way they're trying to build the same, the way they're trying to like have a three year window that they're really opening up here. I don't know if at that point it makes sense. If you've already added a lot to your safety room. If he falls to you, you take it. Maybe. But I don't know if they'd be willing to go up and trade for him. Whereas like Bailey, that might be a different conversation. They could even maybe like Downs more than Bailey. But like, oh, Bailey is something that we need that we'd be willing to go up for because of how we've covered our bases. But I mean Downs is a player good enough to do that. If you did not have Jalen Thompson and PJ Lock already, I would say I'd be willing to trade up. Now I've got to like start looking at risk management a little bit.

Bobby Belt (11:53)

Yeah, they at six, they do not take Caleb Downs though, nor do they trade out of the situation entirely.

Vach Lombardi (12:01)

They.

Bobby Belt (12:01)

They take Monroe. Monroe Freeling, offensive tackle at number six.

Chris Beam (12:07)

Again, that's a lot of Cleveland. A lot of Cleveland writers have put freely in there.

Bobby Belt (12:11)

They feel like that's a.

Chris Beam (12:12)

They've talked about them being a trade out. And so I think it's one of those things where if they don't trade out, that might be who they take.

Bobby Belt (12:16)

Wow.

Vach Lombardi (12:17)

They need to trade back.

Bobby Belt (12:19)

So now you're on board.

Vach Lombardi (12:22)

I told him if they like Monroe Freeland, they need to get the hell out of six. I take him.

Tommy Yarish (12:27)

I told him get back to 12, get him on board.

Vach Lombardi (12:29)

That's crazy.

Tommy Yarish (12:30)

I'd get him on board.

Chris Beam (12:31)

I will. Again we've seen before, like, I mean, who was it years ago? The Raiders? Cleveland Farrell.

Bobby Belt (12:39)

Farrell, yeah.

Chris Beam (12:40)

Penix goes eight. So I mean like if you like your guy, you like your guy.

Vach Lombardi (12:43)

Team suck at drafting. But I don't, I don't say this to be fun. People think I'm being arrogant, cut out. Oh, Vice, these people make millions of dollars a draft. How they suck at, they suck at drafting. I do believe Monroe Freeling could go top six because some people bad at this and maybe they value the sightedness of the tackle. Like the two top tackles that we like are right tackles. They may want a true left tackle type guy, but damn, boy, Monroe at 6 is crazy to me personally, but go ahead.

Bobby Belt (13:08)

Okay, so he goes six overall to the Cleveland Browns, the Commanders at seven, they take Caleb Downs. Okay, Dan Quinn gets Caleb Downs. That's a pretty good fit in my opinion.

Tommy Yarish (13:20)

Have fun seeing him twice a year.

Bobby Belt (13:21)

Exactly. Number eight, New Orleans and the Saints take Carnell Tate, wide receiver, Ohio State, Kansas City at nine, takes Reuben Bain Jr. Edge rusher out of Miami, number 10.

Chris Beam (13:32)

They, the Chiefs have been hot on Bain by the way. Every draft work.

Bobby Belt (13:35)

There you go, Cincinnati at 10, Jermod McCoy, corner from Tennessee goes high at 10. And then Miami at 11 takes Spencer Fano the or Fano, excuse me, offensive tackle out of Utah. This scenario is about as good as it's going to get for Dallas.

Chris Beam (13:52)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty close. I mean especially like one wide receiver,

Bobby Belt (13:55)

three tight or three offensive tackles all go and a quarterback and McCoy, that's six players that are probably not in your consideration going in the top 11 picks.

Chris Beam (14:06)

Yeah, I mean really the only way that gets better is if you sub out one of these guys like Behane or somebody else and like work a Jeremiah Love in there.

Tommy Yarish (14:18)

I would say, I would say if, if Downs was the pick at 5 like you were talking about to New York and Styles is still on the board, that would make trading up for six even better because I'm with you that like, sure, they've done enough in their safety room to where you would have to at least question that a little bit. But if he's the best player in the draft. I think he is. I think you go and get the best player in the draft.

Chris Beam (14:41)

Will McClay told us in Indy, like we gave him the scenario. Like if it's a seven that's a need and an eight that's not. Will was like, I would still probably lean towards the eight. Like, I want the eight. So, I mean, if they, if they like the guy enough, then I mean, it may be something where it's like, yeah, even if we've covered bases, I just wonder if the context changes at all with, like, where they're at right now with their quarterback and their, their timelines.

Bobby Belt (15:02)

Yeah. The selection by John Machota, friend of a show friend of ours, he took at 12 for Dallas Mansour Delaney. Corner, LSU. Is that where you guys would lean if that was the case? And you're looking at the board as it lies here now, you do still have C.J. allen there at the linebacker spot, if you wanted to go linebacker 12. But I think we've all kind of come to the conclusion that 12 maybe isn't the sweet spot unless there's a Styles or somebody there that could fall. T.J. parker's still there. Corner, you've got Hood, you've got C. Say you've got Terrell. I mean, you feel pretty good about Mansour Delane off the board at pick number 12 there.

Tommy Yarish (15:40)

Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (15:41)

Yeah. 100%.

Tommy Yarish (15:41)

Great pick, John.

Vach Lombardi (15:43)

Good job. Some. Some people going to have him as the best, as the best corner in the, in the draft. And if he falls to 12, then cool. You take the dude and you just do whatever you want to do with him. I think what the. What the Cowboys are looking for, like, like a certain amount of things to happen, and those things happen. You want two offensive linemen and generally two receivers, but you looked up and you got three offensive linemen and Jermaine McCoy going at 10 probably was the one thing that bumped Munsour down to you. Yeah, Jeremiah Love didn't go, which was interesting. But hey, shots out of them, whatever. But Delane would be my first. And Love would be the second if Delane wasn't there.

Bobby Belt (16:15)

That's actually their headline to the article is how far will Jeremiah. Jeremiah Love fall? And he's still on the board there at the end of 12. Is he your best cor. On your board?

Vach Lombardi (16:25)

Jermad is.

Bobby Belt (16:26)

Jermad is the best.

Vach Lombardi (16:27)

See, when I'm building my board, I don't account for, you know, hurt guy. If you. A character guy, if you get caught with drugs in your car. I don't care about that in particular. I'm just great in the film. Cause I don't get a chance to interview with him. I don't get a chance to talk to him. I don't do. I don't go to their schools and talk to them. Right. I just go based on Film. And my personal opinion, no matter how long ago it was, Bobby will tell you that it was way in the last administration or whatever.

Chris Beam (16:52)

Right.

Vach Lombardi (16:53)

I think that the last film that Jermaine put out is better than Mansource film.

Chris Beam (16:58)

So if they were both on the. If they're both there and it's like those are the top two players left, you would take McCoy?

Vach Lombardi (17:03)

Yeah, McCoy, just based on film, is the fifth player on my board.

Chris Beam (17:06)

How much time would somebody have to miss before you go? I'm not taking them and I'm not saying that it's reaching that point, but, but clearly if like McCoy had missed two and a half years already instead of a year, I'm sure that would like slow you down a little bit.

Vach Lombardi (17:17)

Okay. No, no, no. So, so listen, so the, the context of what you asking, if he had perfectly functioning knees and his last year of film was 2025 and he was fantastic, Mansoor was fantastic. I would grade Jermad higher. I would draft him over Delane. But the fact that he does have question marks that he is kind of hurt guy and we haven't seen him. I would draft Delane like if who.

Chris Beam (17:43)

So you would jump the tag then just because of the questions.

Vach Lombardi (17:46)

Okay, I got you like just my board. I think McCoy has better film than Monsieur Delane. But if they had to, if they both were available and will McLay say, hey, his knee and he played this long, but we're just going to draft Delane. I wouldn't fight because Delane is the ready guy. He's the, the non question mark, non red shirt guy. Yeah, I just like McCoy's film better

Chris Beam (18:03)

than you pay people a lot of money to like give you these answers or give you their professional. So teams generally will just trust who have we put in place to tell us these things. So if they trust it, they trust it. I will say I gotta think for a lot of teams it's a lot to say when he steps onto a football field for the first time to play football. It's been two years almost. And the last time we saw this and thought it was really good, he was still a teenager. We have not seen him play football as anything other than a teenager.

Bobby Belt (18:27)

Yeah, he could end up being the best corner in football in the next three or four years. Or he could be out of the league in three or four years. That's the type of. Exactly.

Chris Beam (18:36)

Caleb Farley.

Bobby Belt (18:37)

That is the exact type of conversation you're having. And some of some of those guys. Caleb Farley did not work out. Yeah, Javon McCoy still could work and

Chris Beam (18:45)

to be fair I have not heard from teams that they are as concerned with him as they were with Farley. Teams had like a lot of concerns about like this is more like he should be good but yeah, you just don't know.

Bobby Belt (18:54)

Let's keep going and we'll, we'll round out the rest of the the top 20. Los Angeles Rams at 13 take Makai Lemon, wide receiver, USC Baltimore finally takes their running back. How about Jeremiah Love in the same backfield as Derrick Henry. They always draft a good player broadest

Chris Beam (19:11)

would lose his mind.

Bobby Belt (19:11)

Yep, Love goes to the Ravens running back from Notre Dame. Tampa Bay takes the first tight end Kenyan Sadiq, tight end out of Oregon. Widely thought of as the best tight end in the draft. The jets who pick again they are at 16. Jordan Tyson, wide receiver, Arizona State Nice man. Yeah it's going to be a fun that'd be a fun pairing him and Geno Smith, right. Detroit Lions at 17. Caleb Lomu, offensive tackle from Utah, the guy who played opposite of Spencer Fano, also a really good player. Minnesota at 18. Dylan Thieman, safety, Oregon is off the board. Thanks. Alec Lewis of Minnesota's beat that has

Chris Beam (19:48)

become every single mock draft drafters 18 pick every single really? Yeah.

Bobby Belt (19:52)

Okay so maybe there's something there to that. Kaden Proctor, offensive tackle, Alabama goes 19 to the Panthers and then the Cowboys are on the clock again. Based on what your board looks like here, what would be your options? Still got some linebackers there. You got C.J. allen as I mentioned earlier, that's kind of become a popular pick at 20.

Vach Lombardi (20:11)

Yeah.

Bobby Belt (20:11)

Do you feel like the, the way that the board lies here, that's a good spot. No Thetman, no downs, nothing crazy like that.

Vach Lombardi (20:18)

Just on my board Mesadore is my, is my best player. There was a bit of a conversation online yesterday with some folk and I particularly don't care about a player's age in that way to where I'm bumping them down the board. Some teams could think differently but I'm generally floor guy I'm not really big into if a player can't do things right now but they have upside to do it. I'm not big on that. I'm big on what I can see right now. What can you do right now And I think Mesador is so pro ready right now because he knows just what to do with his hands. He has plans back up like he's so sound as a, as a pass rusher and I think there's some good Run game stuff too. If I don't know who the Cowboys doctor is for feet but whoever the Dr. Cooper is for feet or whatever, if they say Ayo vouch his feet's good to go. What you think about him? If Mesador was 23 years old and got good feets and knees, I think he's a player that you could draft at 12. I think he's that damn good. But there's question marks but on my board he's going to be right where he's at and I think he would be the best player here. He's the 14th player.

Bobby Belt (21:22)

I think the Cowboys call in a specialist for their feet and it's Dr. Ellatrash out of.

Vach Lombardi (21:27)

He do knees and feet.

Bobby Belt (21:28)

Yeah, he does them both.

Vach Lombardi (21:29)

Damn. Ella tr.

Bobby Belt (21:30)

I'm just.

Chris Beam (21:30)

You remember the song, right? It's connected like. Like the knee bones connected to the. Like that's thing they all. They all work.

Vach Lombardi (21:36)

I gotta be careful with you because you. Cuz you. Cuz you say stuff because you get me canceled and fired up this mug. But yeah, I do know the. The knee and foot connection song. Yeah.

Bobby Belt (21:45)

It is not Ella trash by the way. I just want to clarify for all those at home.

Vach Lombardi (21:48)

That was a. Yeah, hella trash. Do do need.

Bobby Belt (21:50)

Yeah.

Chris Beam (21:53)

Bobby and overshot.

Bobby Belt (21:54)

What would be your pick there?

Vach Lombardi (21:56)

Come on.

Chris Beam (21:56)

What would you say that he did the last one? I think they do like him a little bit. So he's a reputable doctor. Go ahead. What's up?

Bobby Belt (22:04)

The Cowboys at 20. What would you do in that situation with the lying the way that it does?

Chris Beam (22:09)

Yeah. So, I mean like. So Allen is up there. That's really going to probably be it for the first rounders. I think so. Yeah. I mean the only question is like is are they comfortable with everything medically? And. And that goes into that. And they have been. They have seemed very particular. P.J. locke gave the quote. I don't know if it was on the conference caller with you guys here@dallascowboys.com but he gave the quote talking about like Christian Parker does not tolerate gray. Like it's very much. He's got an idea about how it's supposed to be. And I think that's definitely in the way they're looking at what are the prototypes for each position. So you know, are we going to find out that that's C.J. allen. Does he check the boxes that they have for. For the prototype? And so I. I think medical. And then just what is the exact fit and. And how does that kind of fit in with what Scott Simons wants to do and Christian Parker wants to do. And so Allen would probably be the way that I would lean here, but, I mean, I could potentially be talked into Cash as hell.

Bobby Belt (23:12)

Okay. I have a second on Hal. I have a first on. On Allen. He's my last position of need remaining. First round. There's an interior offensive lineman from Penn State that I really like. And then there's a. Of course, the interior defensive lineman and Peter woods that I like. Those are my other first round grades that I've got.

Chris Beam (23:33)

How are we pronouncing that? Penn State? Because I noticed you stayed away from two. Is it Vega?

Vach Lombardi (23:37)

Vega. Aone. Ione.

Bobby Belt (23:38)

It is Ione Stone.

Vach Lombardi (23:40)

Don't ask me for sure.

Chris Beam (23:41)

I thought it was. I thought it was. I thought it was Yoani, give me 30 seconds.

Vach Lombardi (23:45)

I've been saying I don't know if that's correct, but I just call him Vega.

Tommy Yarish (23:48)

Very confidently said, like you, that is

Chris Beam (23:50)

the highest player I've left.

Bobby Belt (23:52)

Yeah.

Chris Beam (23:52)

That's the only two. The only two first rounders left would be him and Allen.

Bobby Belt (23:57)

And I'm taking Allen in that situation.

Chris Beam (23:59)

Yeah. Now, I mean, and that's what John

Bobby Belt (24:01)

Machota did, by the way, also.

Chris Beam (24:03)

Oh, okay. He did take CJ.

Bobby Belt (24:04)

Yeah, he did take CJ Allen at 20. And that's. That's how the first round ended up. And sort of Lane C.J. allen. Do you feel pretty good about that, hall, if you're Dallas and you're 12 and 20? Yeah.

Tommy Yarish (24:13)

The only two. Two defenders I had above Allen were the two defensive tackles, woods and Kaden McDonald from Ohio State. So I love that pick. I think C.J. allen is instinctually going to be everything that C.J. parker is going to want. But Bobby made a good point of the medicals checking out and all those green lights being given first. So it'll be interesting to watch here over the next couple months.

Chris Beam (24:36)

He did not do athletic testing yesterday. C.J. allen did not. That is pro day.

Bobby Belt (24:41)

Okay.

Chris Beam (24:41)

So he was. And the reason, according to Jordan Reed from espn, was swelling in his knee.

Bobby Belt (24:46)

Okay.

Chris Beam (24:47)

So you. You don't have any testing times on Alan.

Sponsor Announcer (24:50)

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Tommy Yarish (24:51)

I wouldn't. I wasn't. I wasn't really expecting to be blown away much anyways if he did test.

Vach Lombardi (24:56)

Sure.

Tommy Yarish (24:57)

Because I think if you turn the film on, you're not looking like, oh, yeah, he's not.

Chris Beam (25:01)

He's not a freak. Yeah. But just like, he can't do it because he's got swelling in his knee. Four months after meniscus repair is like, okay, well, that's. Is that a problem?

Tommy Yarish (25:08)

Right?

Bobby Belt (25:09)

I've found the official pronunciation on the Penn State guard.

Chris Beam (25:11)

We totally miss it.

Tommy Yarish (25:12)

Yeah.

Chris Beam (25:13)

What is it?

Bobby Belt (25:13)

Yoana.

Chris Beam (25:15)

I think I was close.

Bobby Belt (25:16)

Yo.

Chris Beam (25:16)

I said Yoane.

Bobby Belt (25:17)

Did you.

Chris Beam (25:18)

I said Yoane. It was not quite. I was still wrong, but I was close.

Bobby Belt (25:21)

Joanne, you were close. I didn't hear that one. I didn't hear the yo. But yeah, what capital Y?

Chris Beam (25:25)

O.

Bobby Belt (25:26)

And the. The phonetic spelling. Yoana.

Chris Beam (25:28)

I mean, we just found out Travis H. And so, yeah, it's true.

Bobby Belt (25:32)

NFL got that one wrong in there.

Chris Beam (25:34)

I mean, he let them get it wrong. He's like, just call me Etna.

Bobby Belt (25:36)

Yeah, well, anyways, Yoana goes to Pittsburgh. TJ Parker goes 22 to LA. So those are my final two first round grades there. Or excuse me, Peter woods was the other first round grade. Philadelphia Keldrick Falk 23, Browns take Denzel Boston wide receiver from Washington. Chicago at 25 takes Emmanuel McNeil Warren safety from Toledo. Buffalo at 26 takes Cassius how. Texas A and M edge rusher. San Francisco at 27 takes a mezador Edge from Miami. Another good edge rusher for San Francisco. Francisco 28, Houston takes Blake Miller, offensive tackle, Clemson. Kansas City takes Kaden McDonald, defensive tackle, Ohio State at 29. 30 is the Dolphins. They take Avion Terrell Corner from Clemson 31, Mason Thomas Edge rusher or our Mason Thomas Roger Ed rusher from Oklahoma 31 to the Patriots and then the Seahawks in the first round with Chris Johnson corner from San Diego State, who I know Tommy, you like very much so. Yeah, so. So there's your 32 first round picks. We're going to have our first round mock draft next week, next Thursday. So a week from today, we're going to go through all 32 picks. We're all going to be representing different teams and we'll. We'll find what our first round looks like if it's compared to what the Athletic did. You can check out this one on the Athletic all the way through. All right, when we come back, it's time for some Twitter on the 20 and then we're going to get into what would it look like to have an A plus draft for Dallas with their first two round picks and what do they need to leave draft weekend with more to come with more of the draft show right after this. Lowe's knows Sundays are for football. So tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great

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Bobby Belt (30:42)

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Tommy Yarish (30:46)

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Tommy Yarish (30:49)

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Chris Beam (30:53)

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Bobby Belt (30:54)

Yeah.

Tommy Yarish (30:54)

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Chris Beam (31:01)

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Chris Beam (31:06)

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Bobby Belt (31:07)

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Chris Beam (31:09)

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Bobby Belt (31:09)

There you go. All right, it's time for some Twitter on the 20 Twitter on the 20 vaccine. You have a question this time around, Are you going to save it to the third segment?

Vach Lombardi (31:19)

You said, you said you was going to say.

Bobby Belt (31:22)

I know, I'm messing with you. I'm messing with you.

Vach Lombardi (31:23)

What's wrong with these people, man?

Bobby Belt (31:24)

All right, Brody, Brody wants to know, Brody, what position do you think they are more likely to draft and which are they most likely to trade for? Between linebacker and edge. Do you think there's a difference between a possible trade and a possible draft?

Chris Beam (31:40)

Well, I mean, I, they're going to acquire both. Like I would imagine they're going to. They're. I would be floored if they do not have a veteran acquisition at both those spots before the draft. It's just every team builds that way. They, they have at least some veteran there that it's like, all right, if, well, if we got to do it tomorrow, like we got to play football tomorrow, at least somebody's sitting there. Yeah. Even if we're going to, you know, eventually replace them or whatever it is. If you're talking about, like really address the position, not just have a placeholder or an insurance policy.

Tommy Yarish (32:05)

Linebacker, I'd agree with that 100%.

Chris Beam (32:08)

They, they, with all the communication stuff that's going to go on here, I think they want somebody who has seen a lot of football Calling things in the middle of the defense, Bob, you

Vach Lombardi (32:16)

think they gonna value smart people more than the height? You know, height, speed, weight or whatever? Or are they looking for more like the athlete that could do it and maybe they'll settle on the smarts.

Chris Beam (32:27)

So I don't think there's any settling on the smarts when you. Or the mental processing when you hear Christian Parker talk about it.

Vach Lombardi (32:33)

The reason why I say that because he's small, but he's smart as hell.

Bobby Belt (32:36)

Yeah.

Chris Beam (32:36)

So like that's the thing is that, that, that can help you in a big way. But like Christian Parker also said like, yeah, you do you want the athletes though. Like, like you, you still need the athletes. And I think there are definitely some athletic markers they're going to have that are going to be non negotiables for them. But yeah, I would say, I would assume that whoever is starting alongside demarvi and overshone next year at linebacker is not here right now, but is an NFL player already is what I would guess.

Bobby Belt (33:03)

There you go. So a couple different options there across the board. Maxwell wants to know who are some of your favorite running back and tight end prospects at pick 112. If you have any. Maybe day three guys that you like know this is a defensive heavy draft, but it feels like 112 might be the first opportunity to add another offensive weapon. Are there any guys that you think might be able to stretch to that point in the draft?

Vach Lombardi (33:25)

I ain't gonna lie, bro. I ain't looking at tight end at all.

Bobby Belt (33:28)

Okay.

Vach Lombardi (33:28)

I don't even want to have a conversation about a tight end.

Bobby Belt (33:31)

Not an Eli Stowers out of Vanderbilt guy.

Vach Lombardi (33:33)

And I like him a lot.

Chris Beam (33:35)

Not on that late though, is he?

Bobby Belt (33:36)

No, probably not.

Vach Lombardi (33:37)

What the Cowboys might do is they may look in the seventh round of like the undrafted crowd to go get a tight end and they could keep their tight end factory going. Running back is interesting. It is interesting. But if it's up to me, dog, I'm trying to get full defense with these top few picks. So look, also because I've watched some more film and I've gotten to the 1 14s relatively and I like the dudes that's kind of in that area or whatever, you know what I'm saying? So I would rather Torreon York, Keyshawn Elliott, Red Murdoch or something like that.

Bobby Belt (34:08)

So you would rather just stick defense and keep trucking for them?

Vach Lombardi (34:12)

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, that makes sense. And you can find a running back later. But look, this ain't. This also Isn't me saying Jaden Blue gotta step up. You know what I'm saying? This ain't me just leaning on the guys that's on the roster right now. But I just think defense is an emergency. So the only way I would go offense is like the 12th pick. Besides that, we should be going.

Bobby Belt (34:30)

Tommy, can we get Tanner Cozio out of Houston to one?

Tommy Yarish (34:32)

That was going to be one name that I threw out. I think it'd be there. Tanner Cozio, tight end from Houston. One of the toughest football players I've watched in quite some time. And he doesn't necessarily look the part like you'd think. Okay, if I told you it's a tough tight end. He's built well. He's, you know, muscles just flying off of his bones and it's kind of a leaner.

Chris Beam (34:49)

That would be very disturbing. That'd be bad if his muscles are flying off the bottom. He is off their draft.

Bobby Belt (34:57)

It looks like something at Pecan Lodge.

Chris Beam (35:00)

He is off the draft realize hospital.

Tommy Yarish (35:03)

Anyways, he's kind of a, you know, more of a larger target for quarterbacks. He was super quarterback friendly this past year. Transfer from Ball State, I believe before that and had a really productive year this past year for the Cougars. I liked him a lot. But that's not the only tight end that could be there. Maybe Joe Royer from Cincinnati I've got in that vicinity. Justin Jolie from NC State is another one. Jack Andries from Texas I think would be great at 112 running back wise. It's going to be interesting to see how it falls because I think one and two is. You got Love and Price from Notre Dame, both of them. And then after that it's like who 3 is going to be? The third running back take is going to be really interesting. I've got Mike Washington, the running back from Arkansas at third. Not too far behind him is Emmett Johnson from Nebraska. I don't know if any of those guys make it it to 112.

Bobby Belt (35:53)

You have RB, you have Mike Washington as RB3.

Tommy Yarish (35:56)

Yes.

Bobby Belt (35:57)

Interesting.

Tommy Yarish (35:57)

I love Mike Washington.

Bobby Belt (35:58)

I like him a lot too. I don't know. I don't like him that much.

Tommy Yarish (36:01)

The Penn State duo of Singleton and Nicholas Singleton and Katron Allen are those maybe guys that could fall that far? I don't know. But I don't know if all six of those guys are gone by 112.

Chris Beam (36:12)

Yeah. The only thing is like there is definitely a chasm from the top of the running back, right? Absolutely.

Tommy Yarish (36:19)

It's.

Chris Beam (36:19)

It's not great. Whereas tight ends pretty deep this year. So I. I kind of wonder if a guy I would. I would be like, I had like to take that tight end in the fourth round. Is that tight end potentially available in the fifth because of that? Because it's a little bit deeper and there's going to be a run on positions that are probably considered a little bit more premium. So it may be a case where you're talking about if you're saying in the fourth round, maybe it is somebody like Stowers for some reason gets pushed way down the board and then it's like, well, this is just a blinking light. You have to take it.

Tommy Yarish (36:47)

Yeah.

Chris Beam (36:47)

And so that would be realistically the only way I would go that way. Because, I mean, right now Javante Williams is your guy. They like Malik Davis. They just drafted Jaden Blue last year. And then at tight end, I think they like Ferguson and Span Ford as a combo together.

Bobby Belt (37:02)

I think it's more likely that they would address running back than tight end just because they, like you said they like Ferguson. They like Spam for. They thought Schoonmaker took a step forward this past year and he's going into a contract year too. So there's a lot of conversation there, I think when it comes to Schoomaker. This is contract year, right?

Chris Beam (37:20)

Yeah, one more contract year.

Bobby Belt (37:22)

This question comes from M. Domino. I'm going to rephrase it a little bit just because I think it is an interesting thought process. But he says what position would you not draft? Because if you feel like they drafted, they would be wasting this window, wasting the final couple years of prime Dak Prescott and the window that they're trying to hit. And what position would it be?

Chris Beam (37:44)

Yeah, we're not going to. We're not including something obvious like quarterback can.

Bobby Belt (37:49)

It's got to be a realistic, I think, conversation.

Chris Beam (37:51)

So I think you could. It's funny because I think you could argue it both ways. I could be talked into an offensive lineman in certain scenarios in the first round and then yet there's still probably the flip side of that that says is that your best use of resources? Like, I mean, I think you can talk both sides of it of like, this is not really, like profitable to do in the window that you're in right now to go this direction. But also like, it's the pick that most makes sense potentially. I would say it'd be more players like we were talking about the other day when I'd sit here. I like Dylan Thienaman Thompson is enough for me right now to say I have other needs that I probably wouldn't take Dylan Thienaman anymore because I would imagine anybody that I have close to him around 20 that would be similar to them would be at a position that I do need more. And I would imagine they'd be pretty close. So at that point, the just kind of out of my radar at this point. Downs is not. Downs is good enough. So that's why I say it may be a little more player specific than position specific.

Bobby Belt (38:49)

Yeah, that makes sense.

Vach Lombardi (38:50)

Basically what Bobby's saying. You could tell me if you ain't saying this, but like 12 is different than 20. Like 12, you have to take different numbers. Who falls to you? Come on, man.

Chris Beam (39:00)

Okay, go ahead, keep going.

Vach Lombardi (39:01)

12, you. You generally taking who falls to you. 20, you can open up the board a little bit and take whoever you. And the same with like 14 and 92. So I think when you get to those picks where the board is open and you can take many guys, I think that's where the mistake comes, you know, drafting offense. I'm not taking offensive line late because I don't like many of them. So that's one reason. But like you're. It's because you're not forcing me to. If you're wiped out at 12 and malinoa is the best guy, I'm fine being forced to take Malinoa at 12. Cause that's just 12th overall. That's going to be the best player in this draft. You would hope. It just is what it is. So. Nah.

Chris Beam (39:38)

No, I'll throw this out there because it's not one specific position. But this is something people had suggested early on in the process that what fits that question is a cornerback double dip at this point, to me, because Thompson's going to play some nickel. You just signed Durant. If you took a corner at 12, I'd be like, all right, I've got enough body. I've still got Revel, who I took in the third round last year. I've got Bland, who I'm hoping is going to bounce back medically. That's. That's enough corner bodies that I think I need to start looking other directions. So if they double dipped at corner in the first round, that might make me think, all right, I don't know if that's the best way to do that.

Tommy Yarish (40:09)

I would agree with that. Maybe, maybe wide receiver would be the only position that I can really think of. But even that, I think you could talk me into one. If somebody slips and two, if something between now and the draft comes out about, like, hey, this might. You know, they might move on from pickens after the 2026 season. That would make sense. But otherwise, really, there's no. I don't think there's one specific position group aside from quarterback, which you took off the board. That would be just. My mind is blown. Like, how are they doing this?

Chris Beam (40:39)

Would that matter for you? 20 versus 12 with receiver? Like, could you see yourself saying, at 12 I want to take a specific receiver? Or would it have. Are you saying you could see that at 20?

Tommy Yarish (40:47)

20.

Chris Beam (40:48)

Okay. All right. So at 12, you wouldn't necessarily.

Bobby Belt (40:50)

No, I could imagine the headlines and how quickly they would publish. You said like, oh, something before the draft comes out about maybe they're thinking about moving on from Pickens. Let's say it doesn't come out before the draft. And then they take a wide receiver at 12. Or 20, more likely 20. You know how quickly those headlines would be hitting the receiver league, baby, before the end of the 30s, the 25s, it would be on every major sports news platform. Oh, Cowboys could be moving on from George Pickens. It would just be a madhouse.

Vach Lombardi (41:21)

But 11 personnel would be so tough.

Bobby Belt (41:22)

It would be fun.

Vach Lombardi (41:23)

Wouldn't it be so tough? I actually changed my mind on what I said because I caught myself being phony. And ladies and. Ladies and gentlemen, ain't nothing wrong with changing your mind. Self scouting when you get more information, there is something that'll make me take offensive player at 20. It depends on the value. If some goofy and like, Jeremiah love is at 20, I think that's different. I like Jordan Tyson so much that I think if he's at 20 and the medicals check out or whatever, I think those two dudes are, like, so good that by the time I get to 20, I'm like, all right, dog. That's Jordan Tyson and Jeremiah Love.

Bobby Belt (41:52)

You get a playmaker at 12 on defense. I could be talked into 20 being an offensive player.

Vach Lombardi (41:57)

Like, if you get. Like, if you get Caleb Downs at 12, right. So we good on defense. And like a dude offensively falls at 20. I can. I can do that. So I changed my mind.

Chris Beam (42:07)

Even.

Bobby Belt (42:07)

Even like a Mansour Delaine. You fix a cornerback spot, he has a lot of questions. I know you don't have a linebacker, but we. We went into wide receiver last year or went into the draft meeting. Wide receiver came out of it without one. And you found a way to go get one. You could do that at linebacker based on what Bobby was saying earlier. Yeah, I think I. If you're at 20 and one of those two guys is there, that's the top receiver and the top running back on the board.

Vach Lombardi (42:29)

Yeah.

Bobby Belt (42:30)

Let's have a conversation.

Chris Beam (42:31)

If Tyson. If Tyson is there and they do feel good about his medicals. Yeah, I would take. Probably take Tyson over anybody else that would be available.

Bobby Belt (42:37)

I don't think he'll be there, but I don't either.

Chris Beam (42:39)

It just depends on how scared people are at the medicals.

Bobby Belt (42:41)

Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (42:41)

MGP and CD is so crazy.

Bobby Belt (42:45)

You just want to just watch these for a minute.

Chris Beam (42:47)

Yeah.

Bobby Belt (42:47)

Let's just Marvel and Jordan Tyson show some route running.

Vach Lombardi (42:50)

Show some of that suddenness off the line, man.

Bobby Belt (42:51)

Let's see. Let's see what they've got cooking up now.

Vach Lombardi (42:53)

Okay, we're going. Yeah, I got two. You know what I'm saying? All that kind of stuff. Show some R, bro.

Bobby Belt (42:59)

It broke one tackle.

Vach Lombardi (43:00)

Okay, okay, okay. We won't see it there.

Bobby Belt (43:01)

Look at him creating for his.

Vach Lombardi (43:02)

His in the air. Look at him.

Chris Beam (43:04)

I will say we. We all just said obviously quarterback would not be one and I don't think this is going to happen. But it was funny two weeks ago. Albert Breer was like, look at that. They're like, where could Ty Simpson go? And then they went, not the Cowboys. And Brewer's like. And they're like, stop. And he's like. He's like, I'm just saying that they're going to start throwing names in a hopper soon at some point. But yeah, I would not say there people say anything. It could be Mendoza at 20. I wouldn't do it.

Bobby Belt (43:28)

Yeah, I think I'm all right.

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Bobby Belt (43:30)

Dim Boys fan wants you to rank these four names on how Christian Parker would rank them be based on their fit in the scheme. These are all linebackers. Sonny Styles, Anthony Hill, C.J. allen, Jacob Rodriguez. He feels like one of these names will be a Cowboy at some point in time. Which one do you feel like fits it again?

Vach Lombardi (43:47)

Sonny Styles. It. Yeah.

Bobby Belt (43:49)

Sonny Stiles, linebacker, Ohio State. Anthony Hill, the linebacker out of Texas. CG out. CJ Allen out of Georgia. Jacob Rodriguez out of Tommy's favorite town, Lubbock in Texas.

Vach Lombardi (43:59)

So look, that's exactly what I was asking Bobby. Right? Like if Christian park is. If he's making this pick. Right. He'll athletically and measurable wise is probably what they're looking for. But he's not going to be like the smart cover dude. Like. Well, Allen's probably not as good in coverage neither. But Allen Instinctual. We ain't calling nobody stupid. Yeah, but like. Like, C.J. allen is like the processor probably, that he wants, but athletically immeasurable, like, not which one you think.

Chris Beam (44:23)

Who do I think they would take?

Vach Lombardi (44:24)

Yeah, yeah.

Chris Beam (44:25)

Allen.

Bobby Belt (44:26)

Allen.

Vach Lombardi (44:26)

Okay, so it's probably Styles. Allen.

Chris Beam (44:28)

Styles is one. The one guy who. I don't know if it's a perfect fit is Jacob Rodriguez, because, I mean, there's so much that.

Bobby Belt (44:35)

What gives you pause there?

Chris Beam (44:36)

The coverage.

Bobby Belt (44:37)

Yeah.

Chris Beam (44:37)

Playing back, if he's playing forward. Sure. But I mean, like, they. They want those inside linebackers. Like, you look what Zach Bond did in coverage for Philadelphia, what they've had in, you know, Denver in the past, like Alex Singleton in coverage has. Has done some good things for them at times. And so I think coverage ability and that versatility as. As a means of disguise, of, like, I could be dropping or I could be playing forward or there are all these different things that I could do. I think that's a big part for them. So Rodriguez is the one guy who I think has the most limitations naturally.

Bobby Belt (45:07)

Do you feel like his above average athletic testing that he put on tape helps you there, or is that still a huge question mark?

Chris Beam (45:16)

Yeah, I mean, like, that would. That would, again, come down to one of those things like we were talking about earlier, like, things we can't know, that they would. They would know what kind of a student he is, what kind of coaching he got, and what he may have been lacking. And they may look at it and go, all right, well, this is just a. This is a tweak here. A tweak here. He just wasn't given the guidance. It may be something like that. It may be that they look at it and go, no, we. We look at this and we see. All right, he was. This was the thing. This thing. It's just. He doesn't. He doesn't have the best awareness and coverage and. And at that point, it may not be a guy that they want to go for, but I would just say based on what we know right now, Rodriguez would be the toughest of the four fits, I think. Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (45:49)

Do you think the linebacker has to be a mic? Like, do you guys think that Hill from Texas is a mic? Because the Cowboys need a mic. I don't think they're gonna make Overshawn play, Mike.

Bobby Belt (45:57)

No, I don't think so.

Chris Beam (45:58)

No, I don't. No. He would be somebody that's here, like, as part of a rotation, I would imagine, like, they would have a. If they. If they were to take Anthony Hill. Whenever they did, whenever that would be be. I think your starting linebackers are over shown on a veteran.

Bobby Belt (46:11)

Yeah, gotcha. And then that's not in the building.

Vach Lombardi (46:13)

Yeah.

Chris Beam (46:14)

And then, and then Hill's rotating in and doing different things and, and being brought up to do stuff.

Vach Lombardi (46:18)

But yeah, I actually like that a lot cuz I think Hill got some pass rush upside too. So if, if you're gonna like move him around and do stuff and he's not super in charge of everything.

Chris Beam (46:25)

Styles might start sunny Styles.

Vach Lombardi (46:28)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris Beam (46:29)

Style because Styles, everything that he. I mean he's a former state. Like the stuff that Styles can do. I would imagine, imagine scheme wise, disguise wise for them would have that coaching

Bobby Belt (46:37)

staff salivating a little bit out of position for Anthony Hill Jr. Just think about it. But he could play in coverage. He's. He's done that before and he's. We've talked about his athleticism on this show previously. I mean he did a little bit of everything early in his career.

Tommy Yarish (46:51)

I was going to ask the group how far apart are Hill and Allen for you guys?

Chris Beam (46:58)

There's a difference for me, me, Allen's a first. Hill to me is like late second.

Bobby Belt (47:03)

Oh, see I have him mid second, maybe early second. I like Anthony Hill Jr.

Chris Beam (47:07)

I think I, I am lower on Hill than most people are.

Bobby Belt (47:10)

Interesting.

Vach Lombardi (47:11)

Go ahead.

Chris Beam (47:11)

No, I was just saying I, I'm, I'm lower on Hill than most people. I just. I. The guessing linebackers are so historically tough and, and he is a guesser a lot.

Bobby Belt (47:20)

Yes, that's very true.

Vach Lombardi (47:21)

I like Hill. I do have him in the second. I got him at the end of the second. But I got Gold Day and Trotter High.

Chris Beam (47:27)

I do have gold A higher.

Bobby Belt (47:30)

I don't have either one of those guys higher.

Chris Beam (47:32)

I have gold and I have Kyle Lewis higher.

Bobby Belt (47:34)

I do have Rodriguez higher. But I agree with you in terms of the fit here. But I've got Anthony Hill Jr. As my LB5.

Tommy Yarish (47:42)

Yeah.

Bobby Belt (47:42)

Where do you have.

Tommy Yarish (47:43)

I've got him at three as my third. It's him. It's. It's Styles. Allen Hill. Well Reese, if you want to call him a linebacker, sure. Then. Then he'll be four. I think we might be overthinking a little bit here with Hill. If you just watch the tape, he's a heck of a player and athleticism is great. But the turnover production that he was able to have the ability to fill the gaps and meet guys in the middle. He's physical.

Vach Lombardi (48:10)

Plays in Texas.

Tommy Yarish (48:12)

I like him a lot. Sure. You can call me phony if you want.

Vach Lombardi (48:15)

Hey, say that, man. We just have to say the school that people come from, man. Come on.

Tommy Yarish (48:18)

Talk about Texas.

Chris Beam (48:20)

The thing with Hill, like, like some of those lapses, is it instincts or is it learning? Or like, like what he's been taught so far? Because if it's an issue of like, all right, it's just a matter of knowledge. Like, he needs to get knowledge passed on to him. He's gonna be fine. It's an issue of instincts. Instincts are as wired in football players to me as athleticism. And if they're not good, then that's like telling me the athleticism's bad.

Bobby Belt (48:38)

Yeah. And. And they're going to be a step behind no matter what their athleticism is.

Chris Beam (48:42)

Literally.

Vach Lombardi (48:42)

Yeah.

Bobby Belt (48:42)

Yeah. All right. When we come back here on the Draft show, what would it take to see an A plus? What does Dallas need to leave with? Could they afford to lose a certain spot or certain player? We'll talk about it when we come back. More of the Draft show right after this.

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Vach Lombardi (52:24)

tour why are you smiling?

Bobby Belt (52:26)

I'm laughing about something we were talking in the segment or in the break about and I just thought of a scenario.

Vach Lombardi (52:31)

Oh, no.

Bobby Belt (52:32)

Yeah. That's all it needed to be. I'm going to leave it at that. But you did have a question for the group going.

Vach Lombardi (52:37)

I forgot the damn question with all this.

Bobby Belt (52:39)

You already forgot about it.

Vach Lombardi (52:41)

Okay, I think. I think I got it.

Bobby Belt (52:42)

You got it back?

Vach Lombardi (52:42)

I think I got it.

Chris Beam (52:43)

Okay.

Bobby Belt (52:43)

What is it?

Vach Lombardi (52:46)

Man? I was looking at the news, man. Cause you know I'm not breaking news guy. That's y'. All. I love y'.

Bobby Belt (52:50)

All.

Vach Lombardi (52:51)

Y' all do a great job.

Chris Beam (52:52)

Me too.

Vach Lombardi (52:53)

And we appreciate you, man. And we found out that or somebody reported that Omar Cooper, wide receiver from Indiana, is a Cowboy 30 visit. Then I defer to Bobby Bell's knowledge because I listen to him every morning on the radio and he's like, well, Vaich, sometimes they bring guys in just to talk about other people. Like, hey, we might bring in downs so he can talk about Sonny or something. All right, cool. I didn't think of another player from Indiana that they could bring Omar Cooper in to talk about, assuming that the Cowboys or we would think that they would want to go all defense. Why the hell is a wide receiver the first on your 30 list? I was just curious about that.

Chris Beam (53:24)

So first I would say that NFL teams, a pet peeve I've found for a lot of NFL evaluators and stuff, Dallas and otherwise, is the referring to it as the top 30. So, like, we say first on their third, they're like, it's not a top 30 because this is not like our 30 best players that we have in a row. These are players that, like, this is just how we want to use them. It's like you don't go to the combine and call it your top 45. Like, it's just the 45 that you have the meetings with. So there could be the instance like you were just referencing there. They're bringing in downs to talk to downs, but in the course of it, they also want to ask him about something, you know, related to Sonny Styles. It could be if it's a really later round player. There's the Louisville defensive tackle that was reported that they had met with who is. I can't even remember his name, but he. He's. He is not considered a guy that's on draft board.

Bobby Belt (54:14)

Louisville defensive tackle this year?

Chris Beam (54:15)

Yes.

Vach Lombardi (54:16)

Oh, okay.

Chris Beam (54:16)

Yeah, no, he's. He like, oh, yeah, buddy, that I didn't even know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, that's it. Don't know. They may not know certain things about him, and they just. They want to bring him in and talk. Sometimes those things get used as recruiting for undrafted free agents, like, advanced work. So then when you're calling on the undrafted free agent going, hey, you know, you didn't. You like it over here? It was nice, wasn't it? But for somebody like Cooper, none of that fits, right? Because it's. It's a receiver who's expected to go in the middle of the first or. Or the early second. So in those instances, I think it's typically, and I'm not saying this is what these are, but you're typically looking for answers to a medical question or you're looking for answers to a question off the field about them. And so the reason why you'd have them in is not just because, like, just for, you know, giggles, like, let me find out what this is. It's. It's like they want to know, like, okay, I got to get this question answered. Because if for some reason we don't Know, he gets pushed down to the third round because other teams are concerned about this. We would like to know what the answer is on or how we feel about it.

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Chris Beam (55:13)

So that then we can take them third. And a lot of times they'll bring in people who they may be trying to get an answer like that, and then they go exactly where you expect them to, but they still needed to get the answer. And. And so they use that opportunity to. To do that.

Vach Lombardi (55:25)

Yeah. Okay.

Bobby Belt (55:26)

You think it could be d' Angelo Pond's conversation too? Guy that faces him, like.

Chris Beam (55:31)

Like, yeah, maybe they're in there. They're bringing them in for a visit. They're answering other stuff and they're like, hey, you know what? Let's like take the opportunity to be like, hey, what was Pawns I can practice. What was like going up against it? Like, I mean, it could be those sort of things.

Bobby Belt (55:41)

Was the Louisville defensive tackle, Thor Griffith?

Chris Beam (55:44)

No.

Bobby Belt (55:44)

No. Yeah.

Chris Beam (55:45)

Like, I mean, honestly, they're all sorts. They could be asking them like how many licks to get to the center of a lollipop. Like, you never know. But I mean, there's just. They. They use it for all sorts of things that I. I don't think people think of it.

Tommy Yarish (55:57)

Was the name you're looking for is Renee Conga?

Vach Lombardi (55:59)

That's him.

Bobby Belt (55:59)

Oh, okay.

Vach Lombardi (56:00)

Yeah. That's interesting.

Tommy Yarish (56:01)

That was thrown out there. Yeah. I think Bobby hit the. Bobby hit the nail on the head that it's just a information gathering at some points. It's not necessarily a sure fire sign of interest. Is that the case all the time? No, they bring in guys they're interested all the time, but, you know, not necessarily every time. Is it guys that you'll see drafted or guys that you'll see drafted high or top their top 30 guys like, like Bobby pointed out.

Chris Beam (56:28)

Yeah.

Bobby Belt (56:29)

Nick Harris isn't here today. He's out for some reason. I actually don't even know why he's out there. I would give it to you. NCAA tournament.

Chris Beam (56:37)

Watching the tournament.

Bobby Belt (56:37)

Oh, is he going to a tournament? Yeah, I think he's.

Chris Beam (56:39)

I think he's watching it.

Bobby Belt (56:40)

Happy March Madness, buddy. Yeah, good for him. He did report college pro day events attended by the Dallas Cowboys so far. Arkansas, Clemson, Georgia Southern, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Kentucky, Oklahoma, San Diego State, USC and Wisconsin and Clemson, Kentucky and usc. A position coach also attended those as well, which tends to kind of look at where they're. They're possibly watching certain areas, but that's just reported by Nick. And that list will continue to grow and they're going to go to a hundred of these things, so that's just going to be a super deep list. Just little things to maybe try and paint the picture a little bit more. All right, did you have something?

Tommy Yarish (57:21)

I was just going to add that Chidera Uzo Deribe, the outside linebackers coach, was at Georgia yesterday.

Bobby Belt (57:27)

Oh, okay.

Tommy Yarish (57:27)

Which makes a lot of sense because that's where he went from. Yeah.

Vach Lombardi (57:30)

So look, though, the Cowboys got coaches, per Nick Harris. Y' all can follow him on Twitter at Clemson and USC and. And Kentucky. Yeah, I can imagine the players at Clemson and usc. But what, like, who they looking for at Kentucky? Like, what player would they be looking for there?

Chris Beam (57:48)

Did they say who the coach was that was there?

Vach Lombardi (57:51)

The only player that I have is the guard Jalen Farmer from Kentucky, but I don't know anybody else that's playing at Kentucky right now.

Chris Beam (57:58)

Where's next? Sorensen?

Tommy Yarish (57:59)

Don't quote me on this, but I think it was Connor Riley that was there. Okay, so that would be Kentucky.

Bobby Belt (58:05)

Don't forget, they also have Jaeger Burton, too, who was a Shrine bowl cat as a center. So you got Burton there, you got Farmer there. Farmer was a senior bowl guy and then Joshua Braun also. So they had three offensive linemen that might be drafted. Okay, so that could be a good conversation if it was Riley.

Chris Beam (58:27)

Indeed.

Bobby Belt (58:27)

Did you find that for sure?

Tommy Yarish (58:28)

Yeah, that was actually. That's Perdnick Harris. Connor Riley was there.

Bobby Belt (58:31)

That.

Chris Beam (58:32)

And that might very well be like, if they're looking like, all right, offensive line, like, maybe we want to throw some darts back half a day. 3. Then like, yeah, those would be the kind of ones that he'd be attending, I imagine.

Bobby Belt (58:42)

Just.

Vach Lombardi (58:43)

Fellas, let me just ask y' all this. What if I got a second round grade on Jalen Farmer?

Bobby Belt (58:48)

Then it might not be Farmer they're looking at. Might not be that guy.

Vach Lombardi (58:52)

I could be wrong. I could just be too high on Farmer.

Bobby Belt (58:53)

Do you have a second round grade on.

Vach Lombardi (58:55)

I got a second round grade on. Jeff.

Bobby Belt (58:56)

I've got them early. Day three. I've got a fourth on. Okay, so, yeah, I'm a little behind you.

Vach Lombardi (59:00)

It's okay. We can all disagree.

Bobby Belt (59:01)

I think he's a good player, though. He beat.

Vach Lombardi (59:03)

He beat the hell out of Georgia for no reason. All them top tier NFL dudes at Georgia or pick Auburn or. It was one other game, like Texas, I believe he assaulted all them grown men there. And the biggest question you had about him was his athleticism.

Bobby Belt (59:17)

And he was a guy that I watched after submitting for the for the draft magazine that's out this week, by the way.

Vach Lombardi (59:24)

Yeah.

Bobby Belt (59:25)

And he's a guy I wish I would have watched earlier.

Vach Lombardi (59:28)

I like guards like this. I love guards like this.

Bobby Belt (59:31)

I would have put a bio in the magazine for him as like an under the radar type of guy, but with the time constraints that we have to just deadlines, we couldn't get there.

Chris Beam (59:39)

Right.

Bobby Belt (59:39)

I would have him much higher than I had him in the magazine. I had him at 24. I have him at 13 right now.

Vach Lombardi (59:44)

There you go.

Chris Beam (59:45)

Maybe we find the league likes him a lot more, but I would be surprised just based on things that he went before. Day three.

Bobby Belt (59:54)

All right, one question before we get out of here. A plus draft. We kind of went through the scenario for Dallas in terms of mock drafts. What do you have to leave for us to say at the end of the weekend when it's all said and done and the dust is settled? Tommy, that Dallas had an A plus draft. What do you have to have in

Tommy Yarish (60:13)

your first or two first round picks? If you hold on to them, you get two players that you feel like can at some point during the year get on the field quickly and start and contribute for you.

Bobby Belt (60:21)

Give me, give me specific positions. Where do you need, need to fill your positions?

Tommy Yarish (60:25)

Ideally it would be linebacker and edge, but if you go corner linebacker, I think you're just as happy.

Bobby Belt (60:31)

Okay, linebacker, edge, still linebacker in both scenarios?

Chris Beam (60:36)

Yeah. I mean obviously like it could be A plus if I know they got specific players, but if we're just talking about like they addressed this, getting out of here with two players with those two first round picks that I feel like are going to be regularly in the rotation, even if they're not strong, starting regularly, playing 40% plus snaps during the regular season on the defensive side of the ball, that's what you need. Give me specific positions just to corner safety, linebacker, edge. Any of them? Honestly? Yeah, any mix of them.

Vach Lombardi (61:07)

I think first and foremost, if we talking about anything at the end of the week and it's like A plus territory, some other team is going to have to give you some help. You know what I'm saying? I think you 12 overall. You drafting at the end. If we really here celebrating banging the table. High five. Washington did something silly. Kansas City let one get to us. Damn dog. I thought we was gonna lose this guy, but Miami drafted Monroe Freeland or whatever and they let somebody fall to us. I think that's gonna be the big narrative. First of all, if a guy like Sonny styles is your 12th overall guy and the best dude you have at 20. Good. Or if like a player that you had ranked kinda high, team suck at drafting and that dude falls to 20 and you capitalize on some team letting some dude make it to 12 that you like a whole bunch. I think those will both be knockout scenarios.

Bobby Belt (61:56)

Yeah, you kind of need a little bit of help to even get to A plus territory.

Vach Lombardi (62:00)

Here's an example. Like, I asked Bob about this a couple weeks ago, but in the past couple of drafts, I've noticed that my number one corner always fall to the 20s or whatever for whatever reason. Whether you think it's Tyrion, Arnold, Quignon, Mitchell or whoever, like, you know, those guys just failed to the twenties for whatever reason. I really want teams to overthink Monsoon Delaine and it probably won't happen, you know, just because of what this, this draft is and his peers in this draft. But if they overthink Monsour delaine and he's 511 and oh, vaatsh, we're just gonna let the corner fall. We're gonna prioritize these wide receivers and offensive linemen, take the pass rate and get those guys early. If you can walk away with a Sonny Styles at 12 and the short corner, the 511 corner Muns or the lane falls to 20, boy, we celebrating smacking tables and calling people stupid. But you said A plus, so in

Bobby Belt (62:48)

my mind that's what it needs to be.

Vach Lombardi (62:50)

Yeah.

Bobby Belt (62:50)

No, I don't disagree. I think if you, if you reach for a position of need, then you're probably going to get knocked on the grade category just to try and get your positions of need filled. But if you end up having a little bit of help there and the top player on your board is a position of need, let's say corner Mansour Delane's your top corner. Yeah, he's there. Twelve, boom, there you go. If you take your top linebacker, your top edge rusher at 20, boom, you take that pick and you go, then I think you're feeling pretty good. But it can't be overstepping anybody else that's possibly in that same category.

Chris Beam (63:23)

If they come away with Styles at 12, and I'll say, at least for me, Mazador or hood at 20, something like that, I'm thinking that's a really, really big win.

Bobby Belt (63:34)

So you need at least one person, one player to fall to you at 12. Probably some adults fog to fall.

Chris Beam (63:40)

Probably, yeah. Or downs have the Browns get itchy.

Bobby Belt (63:44)

Yeah, maybe that's the case.

Chris Beam (63:45)

You know what I'M saying, Tommy, no comment.

Bobby Belt (63:48)

No comment. All right, that does it for us. Are you here Tuesday? Are you on pro days Tuesday?

Tommy Yarish (63:53)

I'll be in Austin Tuesday for Texas.

Bobby Belt (63:54)

So you're at, you're at Texas pro day Tuesday. You'll be at Texas Tech Thursday, sir. We'll have some pro day reports from Tommy Yarish. We may even, I may even like, call you, get you on the phone from, from each of those pro days, if you're down for, for that.

Tommy Yarish (64:06)

Sure.

Bobby Belt (64:07)

Okay, cool. You sound super excited about this.

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Tommy Yarish (64:10)

I mean, if. As long as we're not doing something. Yeah.

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Bobby Belt (64:13)

Okay.

Vach Lombardi (64:13)

I would like.

Tommy Yarish (64:14)

He is going to say.

Bobby Belt (64:15)

He said if. I've got schedule.

Tommy Yarish (64:17)

I don't know schedule yet. I don't know the schedule yet.

Vach Lombardi (64:21)

Tommy going crazy.

Bobby Belt (64:21)

That's crazy. All right. For V. Lombardi, for Bobby Belt, for Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying, so long from the draft show. We'll see you next week. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about this? Cattle.

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