Draft Show: Offense Still Possible?

Summary

The Draft Show: "Offense Still Possible?" (March 17, 2026)

Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Voch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt

Setting: Dallas Cowboys HQ, 37 days prior to the 2025 NFL Draft

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the evolving landscape of the 2025 NFL Draft, zeroing in on the Cowboys’ first-round options after breaking news: Miami trades Jalen Waddle to Denver, shifting key draft positions and needs around the league. The conversation explores whether defense is still a lock for Dallas, examines the wide receiver class and other position groups, debates philosophies like “best player available,” and ends with a deep dive into edge rushers—including prospects’ technical skills, athleticism, and value.
The hosts use current draft projections, mock drafts, recent NFL free agency moves, and team needs to forecast Dallas’ potential strategies while engaging in classic Draft Show banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Impact of Jalen Waddle Trade on the Draft and Cowboys' Board

• Jalen Waddle is traded from Miami to Denver, giving Miami the 11th pick and another first-round selection at 30 (01:01).

• Immediate reaction: The panel agrees this likely means Miami will go wide receiver at #11, impacting the run-up to the Cowboys’ pick at #12.

  "If potentially Carnell Tate’s the only one that’s gone at that point, you feel pretty good that... we've still got one of these better receivers in the class." — Tommy Yarish, (02:44)

• Miami's options: Possible fits at WR are Carnell Tate, Makai Lemon, and Jordan Tyson. However, panelists stress the possibility of Miami zigging to defense, especially under new defensive-minded leadership and front office changes (Jeff Hafley, John Eric Sullivan from Green Bay).

  "Who's to say there's not a defensive player up there that they would love?... But I think Tyson now makes a lot more sense." — Voch Lombardi, (04:24)

• Green Bay comparison: Debate on whether Miami’s new front-office culture would reflect Green Bay's historical reluctance to take first-round WRs.

  "Green Bay just doesn’t draft first round receivers." — Tommy Yarish (05:51, repeated with running joke)

2. Forecasting the Wide Receiver Run & Implications for Dallas

• Teams ahead of Dallas with WR needs (top-3 at position) are identified as: Giants (5), Commanders (7), Saints (8), Dolphins (11) (08:56).
• Consensus: Two or three WRs could go in top 11. If they do, it helps defensive talent fall to Dallas at 12.
• Where prospects grade out: Mixed evaluations on whether Tyson and Tate are top-10 talent or more teens-range.

  "I would take Tate number five if I'm the Giants. I love Carnell Tate." — Nick Harris (09:31)

• The hosts exchange individual board positions and preferences for top WRs.

3. Dallas’ Draft Dilemma: Offense vs. Defense – Is Offense Still Possible?

• If a defensive "wipeout" occurs—meaning top targets at DE, CB, LB are gone—should the Cowboys pivot to offense, even if it's not their "biggest need"?

  • Example scenario: Taking the best WR or OT left instead of reaching for lower-ranked defenders.

  "It gets slim and those guys run out fast. I hate mock drafts...those rushers, those linebackers, like the corner [Delane], they go fast. So we really going to be crossing our fingers hoping the offensive guys are going." — Bobby Belt, (10:10)

• Consensus:

  • Best Player Available (BPA) approach wins—don’t force defense if it means skipping a much higher-graded offensive player.

  "If you get to a point where that scenario does come to fruition and you are completely wiped out...there's a higher graded player...I think you're going to see this team, this franchise take that player." — Kyle Yeomans (13:50)

• Specific scenarios debated:

  • Would they consider WR or RB (e.g., Jeremiah Love) at 12?
  • Does positional value or team needs ever override their boards?

    "I'm never taking Chaisson over Lamb no matter, no matter what year it is, no matter how bad my defense is." — Bobby Belt (14:17)
    "I don't think offense is off the table entirely." — Kyle Yeomans (13:57)

• If phone rings with trade-back offers—they'd strongly consider it, but caution "the phone might not ring."

  "I'm not phony. I'll trade back and get the extra picks. I just like to assume the phone don’t ring." — Bobby Belt (15:09)

4. Secondary and Linebacker: Are These Positions “Off the Table?”

• Do free agency signings at DB and S mean Dallas won’t draft these positions early? No—panelists believe Dallas will still consider safety/corner at 12 if top prospects like Downs or Thienaman are available.

  "I would take all three of those guys at 12, Thienaman included." — Voch Lombardi (23:57)

• New coaching regime could change DB priorities (nickel safety/CB types valued more by Christian Parker).

• Linebacker strategy: Dallas wants a veteran "green dot" LB but hasn’t landed one; the panel predicts they'll draft LB regardless of FA moves.

  "I think the very top priority for them to get a veteran...is they're trying to look for a linebacker." — Tommy Yarish (31:11)

• Jacob Rodriguez (Texas Tech LB): Liked, but not elite. May go late 1st/2nd, but panelists rank several LB prospects higher for Dallas’ scheme (see 33:05–34:25).

5. School-Specific Draft Scenarios (Fun Segment)

• "You can only draft from one school at 12, 20, and 93 (no Ohio State)—which school gives you the best set of prospects?" (25:31)
  • Miami and Clemson named as most viable (e.g., Maui Noah, Mazador, Keonte Scott for Miami).
  • LSU, Georgia, and others discussed in “fun what-if” terms.

6. Running Back Roundtable — Jeremiah Love Debate

• If RB Jeremiah Love is there at #12, what would they do?
  • Voch: "We going to jail, y’all. 11 personnel finna be fired. I think that’ll be fantastic. I think that’ll be a great option...I love the running back and he’s a top five player on my board, so, yeah, I’ll take him." (36:22)
  • But panelists note taking an RB that high might signify your “competitive window” is shifted to a few years out.
  • Most believe Love will be gone in the top 5 anyway (38:31).

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EDGE RUSHERS: Superlatives, Scouting Reports, and “Risk Factor”

(Edge segment begins at 42:07)

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Most Technically Skilled

• Reuben Bane (Miami): Panel consensus as most technically gifted pass-rusher (43:02–43:39)

  "When you have short arms and you are still a dominant top 15 worthy edge, you are the most technically skilled. So I'm gonna go Reuben Bane." — Nick Harris (43:02)

• Also mentioned: Akeem Mezador (Miami), Max Llewellyn (Iowa).

Most Athletic

• Arvell Reese (Ohio State): Most explosive on-field, but may not test as well (45:10-45:41).

• Malachi Lawrence (UCF) described as “testing” athletic freak: 4.52 forty, 40" vert, at 6’4", 253 lbs. (45:41–46:26)

  "I am that high on Malachi Lawrence...and if he's there at 92 and you haven't taken an edge, you go take Malachi Lawrence. I'm a huge fan." — Nick Harris (46:08)

• Harold Perkins (LSU): For those considering him an edge/OLB hybrid, he’s in the running for most athletic (46:47).

Biggest Upside

• Harold Perkins (LSU): Multiple hosts endorse him if used as a pure edge/spy (47:32–48:59).

  "I think this guy's at his best when he pins his ears back, gets after the quarterback." — Tommy Yarish (48:34)

• Arvell Reese: Still raw, but huge “gap” between now and potential (49:02–49:34).
• Malachi Lawrence: Nick Harris votes him for all three superlatives: athletic, upside, value.

Biggest Value

• Akeem Mezador: “Ready to contribute now and trustworthy,” especially if taken around 20 (50:00–50:55).
• Jayson Barham (Michigan): LB/edge tweener with versatility; “just wins by running past people” (51:01–51:54).
• Joshua Josephs (Tennessee): Strong potential, just needs more pass rush plan/technique (52:00–52:10).

Biggest Risk

• Keldrick Falk (Auburn): Great run defender, but unproven as a pass rusher—classed as the “traits get guys in trouble” case (52:35–53:23).
• Cashius Howell: Specialist edge rusher with high tools but risk of being "just" a rotational player (53:28–54:13).

  "Historically, when we've seen teams draft specialist type edge rushers, really high doesn't work. It has not consistently clicked." — Tommy Yarish (53:33)

• Other risky profiles: Prospects with “cool metrics” but nothing proven on field (e.g., LT Overton, Reuben Bane due to rare measurables).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I literally just said it at the very beginning.” (Panel ribbing Voch for repeating a point, 05:54)
• “You, you can talk me into like Maui Noah... if he was sitting there and they’ve gotten absolutely cleaned out and you can’t trade out, then I could potentially be talked into going that direction.” — Tommy Yarish (12:36)
• “I think you hit the nail on the head. ...regardless of round, I think they draft a linebacker no matter what.” — Voch Lombardi (32:20)
• “I think Jerry... loves overdrafting the second dude that they’re drafting a year. The Cowboys love doing it.” — Bobby Belt (35:09)
• “Traits get guys in trouble.” — Wisdom relayed from personnel discussions (53:00)
• “We going to jail, y’ all.” — Voch, on offensive firepower if Dallas drafts Jeremiah Love (36:22)

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Segment Timestamps

• 01:00 — Draft news: Jalen Waddle traded, Miami picks at 11 & 30
• 03:35-06:37 — Miami’s draft options, implications for WR run
• 10:10-15:44 — Debate: Defending drafting offense if wiped at defense; trade-down scenarios
• 17:01 — Twitter questions: Secondary, safety, linebacker needs after free agency
• 25:23 — School-specific drafting hypothetical (Clemson, Miami, LSU, Georgia, etc.)
• 36:09 — Jeremiah Love (RB) at 12: Would they do it?
• 42:07 — EDGE rusher superlatives and scouting
  • 43:02 — Most technically skilled edge
  • 45:10 — Most athletic edge
  • 47:28 — Biggest upside edge
  • 50:00 — Biggest value pick at edge
  • 52:35 — Biggest risk at edge
• 55:29–END — Wrap-up, preview of future episodes

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Takeaways for Cowboys Fans

• Offense is very much in play at pick 12—especially if value and the board dictate.
• Expect the Cowboys to consider DB and LB high despite free agency moves, especially as new coaching staff adjusts philosophy.
• Edge rusher class is deep but risky, with high upside prospects mixed with “traits over tape” concerns.
• BPA rules the day: If a top offensive player outgrades available defenders, the Cowboys could surprise with a non-defensive pick.
• Trade-back remains possible, but “the phone might not ring.”

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If you missed the episode, this recap gives you the key news, arguments, and the colorful personality on display during the Draft Show—setting up storylines to watch as the NFL Draft approaches.

Transcript

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[Bobby Belt]

Now your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish and Kyle Yeomans.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Today is Tuesday, March 17th, St. Patrick's Day. We are 37 days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome in everybody to the Draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. We've got everyone back in the SWBC podcast studio with Fotch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad you're with us. Welcome in everybody as we continue to tretch on to the NFL draft in Eastern. Even about 40 minutes from where we started this show, some NFL draft breaking news as there's some first round picks still flying off the board. Jalen Waddle on his way to Denver for a first round pick, a third round pick and then a pick swap in the fourth round from the Miami Dolphins. So now the Dolphins with that 11th pick right before the Cowboys, Nick Harris. Does that change anything for what they may be selecting there possibly thinking wide receiver?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I think this is be to going great news for the Cowboys right now. The Miami Dolphins wide receiver. One we're talking about before the show is Jaylen Tolbert. And so they, they are almost certainly going to need to take a Mai Lemon Cardell, Tate, Jordan, Tyson with that number 11 overall pick. I, I think this is good news. I think this is an offensive player now that's that's going ahead of you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they ended up at 7 and 10 last year right around where the Cowboys were at 7, 9 and 1 and now they've got that 11th, that 11th pick. They pick twice in the first round. They pick there and then at 30. Again do you anticipate Bobby, just kind of based on their need that 11 has to be where they end up selecting a wide receiver or can they wait till 30 and still be okay with it?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I mean you can wait till 30, but I mean if you want the value there seems to be more and More like, I think the receivers at the top of the class are good. Like, I think Tate, Lemon, Tyson, I think they're. They're all really good players. So sitting at 11, if potentially Carnell Tate's the only one that's gone at that point, you feel pretty good about, all right, we're picking outside the top 10, and we've still got one of these better receivers in the class. Whereas the further you wait till you get back to the 30, you might start getting something that's a little more like, yeah, that's about the range we'd expect him to go. But, I mean, I think if you could get. Specifically, I love Tyson. So if you could get Tyson at 11 and you're comfortable that he's going to stay healthy enough, because that's just the biggest thing with him. If you're comfortable he can stay healthy, then I think Tyson at 11, like, that's a really good player. Lemon at 11, that's probably a really good player if you're comfortable with all the other stuff that goes on with Makai Lemon. And so, no, I think. I think 11 makes a ton of sense for the Dolphins. That seems to be all the chatter coming from people who are plugged into what's going on in Miami, is that 11 is going to be a receiver.

[Nick Harris]

Well, now you think about it, I mean, the Broncos, if they were entering this, you know, free agency period, wanting a receiver, obviously didn't get one in free agency. They have that number 30 overall pick. They didn't feel good about the receiver options potentially at 30, so they go ahead and trade for Jaylen Waddle. Now, granted, there was some precursors to that, that date back to trade dead. But if the Broncos, and they have a pretty strong scouting department based on what they've been able to put together despite massive cap hits or dead cap hits over the course of the last couple of years, if they didn't feel good about what the receiver options were looking like at 30, they go ahead and trade for Jalen Waddle. I'm not sure that, you know, Miami would feel the same way. And so, you know, getting a wide receiver at pick 11 makes a lot more sense.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. Jordan Tyson was the first name I thought of when I saw that trade, just because of fit and the fact that it's a need. But at the same time, they've got seven top 100 picks now the Dolphins do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Vach Lombardi]

So I wonder if they just kind of wait and see how everything plays out, because who knows what happens in the first 10 picks. In front of you. Like you guys said, Carnell Tate might be the only receiver off the board. So that's why Jordan Tyson from Arizona State would make a lot of sense. But who's to say there's not a defensive player up there that. That they would love? Like if. If a Reuben Bain from Miami is still on the board or something and he slides or a name that's been talked about a lot is Monsieur Delaine the corner from. I don't know if that necessarily stops them from taking a corner if they're still higher on the board, but I think Tyson, Jordan, Tyson in that role now makes a lot more sense.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, but I mean to your point, they did just hire a defensive minded head coach and Jeff Halfley and you know John Eric Sullivan who came over from Green Bay to pick with Miami. Like, I mean we all know Green Bay's history up until last year with golden was they just didn't touch receivers in the first round. And so maybe he's from a cut from different cloth or he views things a little bit differently. But I mean, yeah, I think that pretty consistently like Green Bay was an organization that was very defensive minded and trenches minded. So yeah, it's very possible that Halfley and Sullivan over there now go. All right, well, we're going to do things the way we built things in Green Bay.

[Vach Lombardi]

Well, you know what else Green Bay didn't do in the first round? Drafted wide receiver high until this past year. So it's a great point if they follow.

[Tommy Yarish]

Did you say that again?

[Vach Lombardi]

Green Bay just doesn't draft first round receivers.

[Tommy Yarish]

Underline that. That's a good point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a good point.

[Tommy Yarish]

I do like that point.

[Nick Harris]

He just said it.

[Tommy Yarish]

I literally just said it at the very beginning.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was the whole start of his point.

[Tommy Yarish]

Tommy.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm sorry I missed that part.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tommy's worried about. Tommy's worried about talking to Sam Howell in 30 minutes.

[Nick Harris]

I thought it was about to be like a bit to where like they didn't use Matthew Golden. He's like no one else Green Beto's, you know what.

[Tommy Yarish]

But I saw where was the bid? I saw this at the insur in his eyes. He was like, this is a point.

[Bobby Belt]

This is.

[Nick Harris]

It was like during the draft draft show last year like right after they picked J. Toya. And Zach goes on like this huge tangent about how he's like, yes, that. And then I just like came back with the exact same point. You are all like, man, that was really good, Nick. Good job.

[Tommy Yarish]

I was like, why are Sorry about that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It happens every year.

[Vach Lombardi]

Great point, Bobby. Excellent point. Very original.

[Nick Harris]

The receiver conversation about how many go in the top 11. This is just based off NFL.com and I'm curious what y' all think here. So, of the 11 teams that are picking above the Cowboys in the first round, can you guess how many of them have receiver as a top three need on their team?

[Bobby Belt]

Who?

[Nick Harris]

Top according to NFL.com?

[Bobby Belt]

look up tank a thon, see what's going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'll say four.

[Tommy Yarish]

We're gonna say no. I think it's gotta be more than that. Cause I was looking at needs the other day. I'm gonna say it.

[Nick Harris]

I'll go through the team.

[Tommy Yarish]

6.

[Nick Harris]

I'll go through the teams really quick.

[Bobby Belt]

Obviously.

[Nick Harris]

Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, Titans, Giants, Browns, Commanders, Saints, Chiefs, Bengals, Dolphins.

[Bobby Belt]

You say top 10, top 11. 11. 6. I say 8.

[Tommy Yarish]

8.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, like Cincinnati. Probably not. But the. The weird part about it is which of these teams need more than just wide receiver? Because, like, you could say, yes, Vegas needs a wide receiver. Yes, the jets probably need at least one wide receiver. Arizona probably needs a wide receiver to go along with Harrison. You've got all these guys here. I'm going to say. I'll say four.

[Tommy Yarish]

Four.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Total.

[Vach Lombardi]

Seven.

[Bobby Belt]

Nine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jesus.

[Nick Harris]

And four of them have them as the number one need on their team. So. So if you're hoping for those top three receivers to go in the top 11, especially with the Dolphins making their trade today, I don't think that's too far out of the equation.

[Tommy Yarish]

So, like, I'm. Was jets listed as number one? Was receiver for them?

[Nick Harris]

No quarterback.

[Tommy Yarish]

So, like, I know there was a. I'm trying to. I think it was. The Athletic had asked a bunch of their writers to, like, hey, identify the biggest need. Yeah. And there were a couple teams where it was, like, ahead of Dallas, where it's like, receiver was the top need. It's like, oh, great. And they go and look at it. And like the jets writer for the Athletic had said, receiver was number one. They, like, quarterback's obvious, but really, practically it's receiver. And when you look at it, though, it's like, yeah, but that can be their top need all day. Like, everybody feels like they're. They're going to go Rvel Reese or they're going to go David Bailey. And so that's the frustrating thing is there's a little bit of teams, I guess, drafting the way you would want your team to draft, which is just getting the better player than just saying, like, oh, well, this is what our top Needs. But if you could get two, God willing, three receivers in the top 11, you're. You're cooking with gas at 12. Who

[Kyle Yeomans]

are the four that are top needs?

[Nick Harris]

Let's see, it'll be the Giants at 5, the Commanders at 7, Saints at 8 and Dolphins at 11.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting. Does that say that it's a knock against the draft class of wide receiver against Tyson and Tate? Because I mean I've got a first round grade on both of those guys. Are they top 10 prospects on my board? No, they're. They're more so in the teens and where they are, vouch. But when you look at where they maybe should be. What was that?

[Nick Harris]

I think they maybe should be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Should be top 10.

[Nick Harris]

I think so. Tayton Tyson.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't.

[Tommy Yarish]

I have Tate and Tyson.

[Nick Harris]

I take Tate. I would take Tate number five if I'm the Giants.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Nick Harris]

I love Carnell Tate.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That high.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

Interesting.

[Bobby Belt]

I got Tyson as my eighth player. Tate is my 11th.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

Where I got.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, I've got limit is 10th.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I haven't stacked my board entirely. Let me pull up my. I have Tyson as he's probably going to end up being 12, Tate's probably going to end up being 14 or 15.

[Nick Harris]

Interesting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

And to you, Siron, that that's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I haven't, I haven't stacked my board entirely yet and I don't until after 30 visits.

[Keith Davis]

But the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In terms of the stack that I've got touching tags. Wide receiver one, Tyson, wide receiver two, Carnell Tate, they're both first round greats.

[Bobby Belt]

But yeah, Kyle, to you, to your point though, when we get to draft day and we're sitting in this room and we're really going to be crossing our fingers, hoping three wide receivers, maybe two offensive linemen, your running back and the quarterback, like you kind of want all those guys to go top 12. I think when you lose Jermaine McCoy, like that's one less top tier defender that could fall to you. Like it gets slim and those guys run out fast. I hate mock dress. Me and Nick Harris just talked about this. I can't stand a mock draft. And when you see those mocks like those, those, those guys go like those rushers, the linebackers, like the corner monster lane, they go fast. So we really going to be crossing our fingers hoping that the offensive guy is going.

[Tommy Yarish]

If the Kuiper mock draft that dropped this morning is how the top 10 plays out. That would be tough. That'd be tough for the Cowboys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can you go through that for us?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, it's they got obviously Mendoza, that was number one. But behind Mendoza you had number two. David Bailey to the Jets. Three Arvell Reese to the Cardinals. Four Jeremiah Love to the Titans, Caleb Downs five to the Giants, Monroe Freeling to the Browns at six. Sonny Styles to the Commanders at seven. Carnell Tate to the Saints at eight. Nine. Reuben Bane to the Chiefs. Ten Monsor Delane to the Bengals. And then 11 is Jordan Tyson to the Dolphins. And then he ended up mocking McCoy. Jermod McCoy at 12.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I've taken Dylan the.

[Vach Lombardi]

Dylan the. Welcome to Dallas, buddy.

[Tommy Yarish]

Get me out of there.

[Vach Lombardi]

Well, yeah, trying to get out of there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Shoot out.

[Tommy Yarish]

I'm.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, you get Back to like 15 and the still there.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I'm trying to get out or I'm. Or I'm even seeing like who's got a decent veteran that they're willing to give up for 12.

[Bobby Belt]

So nobody at the table would go eight. All we wiped. Eff it just go offense. Like none of y' all would do that. Like nobody. Cause even I'll go, hey man, you know Pickens playing on the tag. There's no guarantee he's going to be here. And the draft situation is like a five year deal. If Jordan Tyson is there. I'm thinking about.

[Tommy Yarish]

He's not though in this scenario.

[Bobby Belt]

I feel you in that one. But just offensive player. What I'm saying is, damn, dog, we got wiped. It ain't nothing we could do about it. I like Thieneman but on my board, Thieneman is 19th. These other receivers are like 9, 10, 11 for me, there's no guarantee Pickens going to be here next year. 11 personnel this year going to be stupid. And when GP goes to another team, at least I got a receiver for next year. That's kind of been. He's like. He's been bridged into being my new wire receiver. Two guy. I can fathom that in my mind. Y' all cannot.

[Tommy Yarish]

You, you, you can talk me into like Maui Noah. You, you could talk me into him. That like if he was sitting there and they've gotten absolutely cleaned out and you can't trade out, then I could potentially be talked into going that direction.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was he sitting there in that scenario?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

So that's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That would be the top player on my board.

[Bobby Belt]

But even, but even like because I. I've seen mocks where both the offensive linemen gone. Right. I'm not opposed to taking a receiver. I'm not opposed to taking a running back. I'm not opposed to taking either one of those offensive linemen. I don't want to be phony like that. I like thienam in a bunch but man, I'd be lying to my board just because he had a great combine. And I like the player, but the player's 19th on my board. I feel great about them in at 20 but them at 12. Like I'm jumping over guys. I'm passing up a top 10 player which is an offensive player on my board.

[Nick Harris]

I think you brother, go ahead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was going to say I think you bring up a great point because. Thank you from a fan standpoint. You're welcome. The from a fan standpoint, everybody is looking at this and saying you have to go defense, you have to no matter what. There's got to be two first rounders on defense. And I, I tend to agree just because of what is on the defensive side. But if you get to a point where that scenario does come to fruition and you are completely wiped out. History has told us that if that case is there and there's a higher graded player even in a position of need or a non need.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And the higher non need is higher graded higher. Then I think you're going to see this team, this franchise take that player.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So I don't think offense is off the table entirely. Especially when it. If in this scenario it'd be a Malinoa out of Miami.

[Bobby Belt]

Sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If it ends up being something like that, they would say let's take the best player available and go.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Any other scenario where there's a defensive player that's even remotely close between the two. Of course I think it's going to end up being.

[Bobby Belt]

I'm never taking Chase on over Lamb no matter, no, no matter what year it is. No matter how bad my defense is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We said that at the point.

[Bobby Belt]

No matter who the Cowboys traded for, I'm never taking Chase on over Lamb. And look, Chase on is fine but he's on his third team now or something like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

And Lamb is a dude that's going to be here forever. I'd rather look at the big picture and just like last year Cowboys needed a receiver and it sure would have been nice if we'd have got that dude that went to Carolina. But we went through the whole draft, we didn't get a receiver. All right, let's just figure out receiver now. I would rather take the draft like as anybody's. You know, I'll take whoever and then just post draft then we just clean it up.

[Nick Harris]

Well, let me ask you, you have Four.

[Bobby Belt]

Four, four.

[Nick Harris]

Tampa Bay on the phone. Yes, sir. Sorry, that's a bad one. Let me go with you. Have the jets on the phone. They're. They're picking at 16.

[Bobby Belt]

You know I hate trades, but go ahead.

[Nick Harris]

They're on the phone at 16 and they are willing to give you 16. You come up to 12. I don't know what they have in the third round. Let's say you pick up a third round pick.

[Bobby Belt]

Sure.

[Nick Harris]

In the back and forth there.

[Bobby Belt]

See, Nick, I'm not following. Hold on, hold on.

[Nick Harris]

You would rather take an offensive player there, let's say a wide receiver. Three, stepping into his rookie season over, coming back to 16. Thieman's probably still there and you have an extra third round pick.

[Bobby Belt]

I'm not phony. I'll trade back and get the extra picks. I just like to assume the phone don't ring. I like to assume that. Didn't the Cowboys last year, y', all, you know, Bobby and Nick or Tommy didn't last year. They wanted to trade, but the phone didn't ring. So they was like, all right, the phone ain't ring. For real. Like he wanted it. So we'll take book.

[Tommy Yarish]

It rang. Phone rang.

[Bobby Belt]

They would just rather take Booker or whatever.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, they were like, it's not worth what people are willing to pay to come up. They were just. I think they were entertaining it, but I mean, they were comfortable to pick poker also, too.

[Bobby Belt]

I think value matters to me, right? Like, I'm not gonna be like, yo, I'm so pressed to trade back. I'll trade back and take like a fourth or something. Like, I'd rather just take the guy to your situation. If I could trade back to 16 and get a third or something, I would like to get a second. If I'm trading from 12 or whatever, then sure, we can talk about it. But I'm assuming that the phone ain't going to ring. I'm assuming that the value is not going to be there. I'm assuming that just as bad as I don't want to draft at 12, somebody else don't want to draft at 12 neither. But in that situation, sure, I'll trade back, but I'm taking a wide receiver. If I'm wiped out and I can't

[Nick Harris]

move, I think if a receiver is there and you're wiped out defensively at 12, there's someone going to be on the phone. Absolutely.

[Bobby Belt]

We hope so.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Or 11 personnel gonna be stupid this year and it's gonna be a party in this mug defense. Might be bad, but yeah, 11 personnel might be 11 gonna be stupid.

[Tommy Yarish]

Kyle, think about it, huh? Defense might be a lot of things you gotta replace.

[Bobby Belt]

So you might as well get Makai Lemon. I don't want to call them weird, but they called him weird. You might as well get Lemon to come in here and and make this offense stupid for no reason. Come on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Lots of options there.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we're going to go to our first break. When we come back, we've got some Twitter on the 20. And then later in the show, we're going to talk about some edge rushers too, and what we can maybe see on the defensive side of the ball. More of the draft show coming up right after this.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Bobby Belt]

Oh good buddy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have officially sent out the request. So we're see if we can see. See if it makes it happen.

[Tommy Yarish]

So this is why Kyle kept saying during the breaks, guys, I know people. I will get it done. How many times have I told you I know people?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not what I'm trying to say.

[Tommy Yarish]

You said you've really emphasized that point during the breaks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did I?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, you're just like I'm super connected. I'm. I get things done.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's his ESPN contract.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jesus.

[Bobby Belt]

Let me see you watch.

[Vach Lombardi]

Did y' all hear his watch thumping on this $10,000 watch thumping on the table earlier?

[Bobby Belt]

How much that watch.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wait, how much does it cost?

[Vach Lombardi]

$10,000.

[Nick Harris]

That's light. That's put lie. That's like. Yeah, there's no way. It's like 20.

[Vach Lombardi]

Sorry.

[Tommy Yarish]

He can barely lift his arm.

[Bobby Belt]

Shake my hand, Kyle.

[Keith Davis]

Yeah, come here. Shake my hand. Let me see what you.

[Bobby Belt]

Hey man, what? What?

[Kyle Yeomans]

That is paddock for nothing. I don't even. I don't know.

[Bobby Belt]

All right, Kyle hustling back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's time for some Twitter on the

[Bobby Belt]

20 in front of security. If you got one of them.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, you're right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

G wants to know who.

[Bobby Belt]

I get it. G. What's up, G?

[Kyle Yeomans]

G said with the free agency moves at corner and safety so far, are those positions completely off the table in round one? Unless there's a guy named Downs or Thienaman or Delane available.

[Bobby Belt]

I think everybody available, man. I think you can. You could draft whatever you want to draft. Gary, stop you from drafting edge. Oh, Tito's not. Stop you from drafting tackle. You can get all the corners and say that you want. And receivers, in my personal opinion, the

[Tommy Yarish]

Cowboys or for us?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Your opinion?

[Tommy Yarish]

If it was for. If it was for me, Thinman would be out now.

[Vach Lombardi]

Out completely.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I understand.

[Tommy Yarish]

Not. Not enough. Like, given what I think will probably be close to them. And it's like, I got people to do that now.

[Nick Harris]

Overlaps with what, Jalen Thompson's.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, Thompson's doing enough to where it's like, I still need players to do other things for me, whereas Downs is just too good for me to say, that's enough. I go, well, okay, I got to get down.

[Nick Harris]

So let me ask you this, then. Dylan Thienaman could be a nickel at the next level. Could play strong, could play free. Well, that gives you competition for a guy like Malik Hooker, and it also gives you competition in the nickel. I don't see how Jalen Thompson necessarily overlaps with that aspect of it because

[Tommy Yarish]

I think Thompson definitely is strong. Free nickel.

[Bobby Belt]

Right.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think that's how they plan to use him. And so for me, I think that, yeah, he would push more about. He would push Hooker, which, fine. But it's like, Hooker can get by for what I'm trying to do for the next few years. If I've got them in there at 20, I'd imagine I'm going to have a similar, similarly graded edge. I'll have a similarly graded linebacker. Like, somebody will be kind of close to him, even if he might be a little bit better towards. Like, okay, yeah. But the drop off from Hooker to them and. Or the changeover from Hooker to Thienaman is not the same as I need a linebacker. Like, I need another edge. So it's just about priority stacking for me at that point. Downs is enough for me to overlook it and go, okay, I want downs and then a corner. No, I think they absolutely could still draft another corner.

[Vach Lombardi]

I would take all three of Those guys at 12, Thienam and included, he's 13 for me on my board. So I'm sure you've got safeties now. I think you can figure it out. There's. We talked about three spots, right? Nickel free, strong. You got three safeties. Thompson, Hooker and Thienaman. In that situation, I think you can figure it out for everybody. You can move them around, make some things up.

[Tommy Yarish]

I mean, I do think they have plans for PJ Lock within the defense. He couldn't play nickel, but they do have plans for him within the safety roles.

[Vach Lombardi]

Cool. That'd be great, too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are we. Are we forgetting at least the. The recent history of Dallas not wanting to necessarily take a safety, or is it. Are we just assuming that's completely upended with Christian Parker and what he wants to do?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think given what you've seen Christian Parker and the systems that he comes from, it tells you they're going to value it. They're. Yeah, they're just going to. They're going to let him kind of outline some things for them and say, I want this. I don't want this.

[Vach Lombardi]

He.

[Tommy Yarish]

He clearly has. I mean, I think in the past, Kobe Durant may have been too small for them and he wasn't. Now, I don't. I don't think the Cowboys would have ever had a guy like Avante Maddox or Dory Jackson like Christian Parker had had in his secondary in Philly. So, no, I think he really has places a high value on that nickel position and that nickel safety flex. And so because that. I think that they will absolutely prioritize that more than they have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Zach wants to know, and this is actually. This might be one of my favorite questions I've ever experienced.

[Bobby Belt]

Ever. Gonna be good, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think it's fun and we're gonna have to talk. We're have to talk through it a little bit here.

[Bobby Belt]

It'll be good, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

CD Lamb or Kayla on. No, I'm just kidding. You can only draft players from one school at 12, 20 and 93. Which school makes the most sense for players in need at each of those positions? Except for Ohio State. You cannot use Ohio State.

[Bobby Belt]

Why would he say that possibility?

[Tommy Yarish]

Because it's too easy. He wants to see once that might

[Bobby Belt]

be the only team you could.

[Tommy Yarish]

There's only two options, I think, but

[Kyle Yeomans]

that's where you got to find a different name.

[Tommy Yarish]

It's Clemson and Miami.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's who it would be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why is that?

[Tommy Yarish]

How would you organize so Miami? It would be potentially, at that point, you Would look at like, okay, 12. That could be Mao. I know. Or Bane. I was thinking Mountain just because I was thinking then 20 would be Mezador. So you go Maui, Noah Mazador, and then if you get Scott in the third, and I think there is some question among NFL teams about like, how do we use him? That. That they're still trying to figure out. So I don't think it's impossible for him to get down there. And then with Clemson, it could be Parker Terrell at 12 and then Parker at 20, and then if Antonio Williams was pushed down and you get a slot there in the third round, those are. I mean, there's really not a lot of great options outside of those. Those two schools. If you're going to take Ohio State

[Nick Harris]

off the board, you can maybe throw LSU in there. Delane at 12, you'd really be 20. Really be reaching for AJ Halsey at 20. I think he's more of a firm second round player. But then Perkins at 92.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, all I got for you is like if you take Bailey at 12 and you say, all right, I just want a super triple down on edge. So I'll take Melo and like Lee Hunter got caught with some drugs in his car and he falls to the third round or something, you can maybe

[Nick Harris]

Mello is starting to get slotted third round. There's some things I think popping up with Romano.

[Tommy Yarish]

I would go Slim Sutton.

[Bobby Belt]

Team suck at drafting if that's the case. But just take the two edges in the linebacker Rodriguez and I guess you could figure. Figure it out.

[Vach Lombardi]

I guess that was gonna be my thing. But I would go with the Miami equation that you threw out Kane macedore. And then I love Keonte Scott if you got him.

[Tommy Yarish]

Top five player for you, right?

[Vach Lombardi]

Not quite. I do love Keonte Scott, though, if you got him in the third round. I think you're celebrating pretty hard.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I was trying to find a way to make Georgia work with CJ Allen and then like Dalen Everett later, but I can't find like a second first round pick.

[Tommy Yarish]

I mean, you could do. You could say if. Again, if we're talking about Maui. No, you could say like, all right, well, let's do Monroe Freeling.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's probably be the third. The third name there. I'm. I'm kind of leaning toward the Miami slash. Clemson. Clemson's probably my favorite one there.

[Nick Harris]

Look, if they took a tackle at 12, offensive tackle, I wouldn't hate it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I wouldn't either.

[Tommy Yarish]

I wouldn't.

[Nick Harris]

That's the only one, I think offensively, you could talk me into. If the phone is ringing, the phone is ringing and you have an opportunity to get out of there. If you're wiped, I say you do it. You could talk me into tackle, though. You could talk me into framing or malangua.

[Bobby Belt]

Does anybody like Halsey at. At 20? If you go like Delane Halsey and

[Tommy Yarish]

It's a great question. That is a great question.

[Nick Harris]

It's another great point.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Because I like Perkins a lot. Yeah, a bunch.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Tommy Yarish]

These are good. These are good points to make.

[Bobby Belt]

Come on, dog. Who said that?

[Tommy Yarish]

Nick, two minutes ago.

[Bobby Belt]

Nick, I want pants in. I wear pants. I wear pants.

[Vach Lombardi]

Welcome to the club.

[Tommy Yarish]

You're vindicated.

[Bobby Belt]

Sorry, you said. Yeah, you just said that. I was listening to you.

[Tommy Yarish]

He literally said it in that order. Halsey and then Perkins,

[Bobby Belt]

man, y' all just trying to make content, man, 100% serious.

[Nick Harris]

Halsey is a bit of a reach for me at 20. That's what I mentioned.

[Tommy Yarish]

And then he said, but then could get Perkins in third.

[Bobby Belt]

But I didn't say that. So, I mean, don't worry about me. I didn't say that.

[Tommy Yarish]

Don't worry about.

[Nick Harris]

Here's some Harold Perkins table.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, let's just stick to this for

[Nick Harris]

the rest of the show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can you tell me a little bit about Perkins while he's up here?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. A little bit of a tweener and I think that's probably where you're going to get some of the more draft indecision because he's like six, one and a half, 220. But he's played off ball, he's played off the edge. He's played the nickel. He's played safety. He can play anywhere on this defense. And I think it makes sense why the Cowboys have interest here and they have verified interest by the sense that they are. They've met with him at the combine and that they're going to have a dinner with him the night before his pro day next week. I believe that dinner will be Sunday night. But it makes sense because he is this versatile chess piece. He's an athletic freak. I, for me, I just mentioned this to Vosch this morning. It was kind of like how we felt about demarvi and Overshone going into that draft is like, it felt like a no brainer. Like, oh, yeah, the Cowboys are going to pick that one. Felt like all of our seven round mocks had DeMarvin overshone in the third round. That's how I'm starting to feel about Harold Perkins. And the Cowboys. Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting.

[Nick Harris]

But, you know, we'll see as time

[Kyle Yeomans]

goes on, kind of along the same lines. Coach Burton is our next question. So coach wants to know, is Dallas avoiding a free agency linebacker because they have one penciled in at 12 or 20 and I feel like there's different layers to that question one because I don't think they're avoiding a free agent linebacker.

[Nick Harris]

No, I think, I think it shouldn't be that easy.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think when they entered free agency, I think that was a top target of Green Dot and they just, it hasn't, hasn't worked out yet. I mean they've. Look, I think that one of the difficulties you're going to run into and it can be a blessing as well once you start the regular season because it's a clear vision and everything else. But, but I think that this is a defensive coaching staff that's going to have a lot of particulars in mind about how they want to have somebody fit. And I think that they had a few guys that they thought fit and then when they went and pursued them, they just, they were outbid or came up a little short. So no, I still think they are actively in the market for. I think the very. Right now, the very top priority for them to get a veteran at a position right now is they're trying to look for a linebacker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah,

[Keith Davis]

yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think you hit the nail on the head. It's just a question of, you know, we've talked about so many scenarios in this draft class where they get a linebacker, whether it's CJ Allen from Georgia 20 or Vacha's favorite, trading up to number six with Cleveland, picking up a second round pick and getting Sonny Styles. Hey man, I'm trying to lay everything out on the table, but I think what we learned from, from last year is that, you know, and we've talked about it on this show so Nick doesn't come after me for repeating the same thing again that, you know, we. They went into last year wanting the receiver from Arizona at 12 because they needed wide receiver. Take him out of the draft with no wide receiver. They can. They made a trade afterwards, picked up George Pickens. It wouldn't shock me if it was a similar deal with linebacker this year. Although the difference I would say is regardless of round, I think they draft a linebacker no matter what. And unless they feel strong enough at the position, which they shouldn't, if they draft one, they will probably make a deal if we don't see something in free agency as well, because there's still plenty of time left there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, Brandon keeps the linebacker conversation rolling here. He wants to ask about Josh or not Josh. Who's on talking Cowboys in the morning? Jacob Rodriguez. I've done that like three times. Jacob Rodriguez.

[Bobby Belt]

Josh had a good combine man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He did. Could J Row be in a similar spot as Jack Campbell of Iowa last year in terms of being looked at as a consensus to OR three but also going in the mid first and playing really well as a rookie in the NFL?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I can see that reality. Yeah, I can see that reality. I see where he draws that conclusion to because it's a similar type of playstyle, similar build ball production in college too. Yeah, but Rodriguez is more athletic and so I think that's where he's probably going to get that stamped pick in the 20s or 30s.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you think about Rodriguez Vox? Where would you slate him?

[Bobby Belt]

So this turns into a tricky conversation. I think a lot of people love Rodriguez more than I do. I like him. I don't think he's a bad player. I think he's gonna be good in the league. But when I look at the linebackers around him, I just simply have those dudes a little better. Styles, Allen Golday, Trotter Hill. I just happen to like those guys a little bit better. I have Rodriguez at the top of the third. He may end up going into second somewhere. I've seen some people have him mocked at 20. That's a bit high for me. I love the instincts. Sometimes he be guessing, but it's cool. I like how he deals with linemen. Sometimes those linemen thump on him. It's all right. Teams kind of throw at him in coverage or whatnot. But hey, teams do that to a lot of linebackers. But if I just had to stack him versus some of the other guys on my board, I personally just wouldn't feel great about taking them at 20. And not only just the linebackers, that I would feel better about taking them at 20 at 20. If you also add the corners and the edges and all in the safeties that I would rather have at 20, I just like those dudes a lot more than him. So he'll end up being in the I'll look at my board and tell you I don't have a ranked yet. So he'll be like in the 40s somewhere for me. You know what I'm saying? I'll take him somewhere around there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is there a possibility that we look up on draft weekend and he is in the conversation at 20 and team

[Bobby Belt]

suck at draft so anything is possible. Even us Cowboys too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think even we've seen it in the past with the front office and specifically with the marketing idea that that Jerry has from an organizational standpoint to see his popularity which has exploded during his time at Texas Tech and see the possible money signs from a franchise standpoint. And he fits a need at linebacker. He's a playmaker. He could do a lot of different things if he's going to end up going late first, early second, it's not a hu reach. But could that play a factor into what Jacob Rodriguez could be for Dallas?

[Bobby Belt]

I think it's very Cowboys to overdraft the second dude that they're drafting a year the Cowboys love Love doing it. Go ahead, Bob.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm sorry.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think that Christian Parker has clearly such a big voice in what they're doing with their off season moves so far and I just watching the type of linebacker that you're going to try to put next to demarvi and overshone and watching what linebackers have done in within the schemes that Christian Parker has been part of the last four years, I don't know that Jacob Rodriguez checks all their boxes and specifically just the coverage aspect. I don't know if he's playing forward fine. I think when he is, when he's playing back, when he's driving back into coverage, I think that that's something that is going to be a big deal to the Cowboys when they're approaching linebackers and I don't know if he'll check that box completely for them to say they would, they would take a shot at 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Randy wants to know if Caleb Love, Ohio state falls to 20.

[Bobby Belt]

Jeremiah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, Jeremiah Love.

[Vach Lombardi]

Sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jeremiah Love. I. I was combining downs and love. If Jeremiah Love falls to 12 and would be the pick for the Dallas Cowboys, what would Vox Lombardi say?

[Bobby Belt]

We going to jail, y'. All 11 personnel finna be fired. I think that'll be fantastic. I think that'll be a great option when teams try to take Pickens away and then they'll do something with Lamb. I think running game will be right there for you. I like Williams a bunch, but he's guaranteed for two years. Jeremiah Love will give you five. That is two years, right? It's a three year contract but it's

[Tommy Yarish]

guaranteed two years in the first round.

[Bobby Belt]

Williams, Correct.

[Tommy Yarish]

Oh, oh, I thought so.

[Bobby Belt]

If Javante is here for two years, I think Jeremiah Love being a good compliment to him for two and then Love taking over there. And hey, if there are any Dak Prescott haters out there, then get you a super running back to take pressure off. Like the idea of having Jeremiah Love. And I think if you give him 200 carries in the season, I think he breaks away and doesn't get caught from behind as much. So there might be some more yardages there. I love the running back and he's a top five player on my board, so, yeah, I'll take him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go.

[Vach Lombardi]

11 personnel is going to be really great for the fires. 21 are going to be really great for the opposing team because they're just going to be able to continue to do things to Dallas's defense. I think the Cowboys have raised their floor defensively, what they've done in free agency. But. But I don't know if they've gotten to a stage where I can completely say with confidence, like, man, this is. This group is going to make a massive improvement here in 2026.

[Bobby Belt]

I will say the running back will improve your offense much more than whatever player you would draft at 12 at that point would improve your defense. That's my opinion.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because a good running. Running game helps your defense.

[Bobby Belt]

Sure. But I think Jerry. Well, I was thinking, you know, him helping the offense. But sure, Jeremiah Love would also help your defense. But if you're to a point where you're taking Jeremiah Love at your top, defensive guys are wiped out. So what's better? Jeremiah Love on offense or like Colton Hood to your defense or Athena Men to your defense or something like that. In my mind, y' all could disagree,

[Tommy Yarish]

but Love on offense or Maui Noah

[Bobby Belt]

on offense, I would love to have Mao.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think for me, like, there's no scenario where as good as Jeremiah Love is, I think he's really, really good. He's like a top five player. There's no scenario where I'd be saying, cool, Jeremiah Love at 12. Like, I. I think if you're taking Jeremiah Love At 12, you're aiming for your window to start in 27.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That might be the case.

[Nick Harris]

Somebody will be on that phone, too, and you could tax the hell out of them. But I think Jeremiah Love is going to the Titans at four.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I think he's probably not going to make it out of that top five.

[Keith Davis]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right. Thanks for all the questions. Appreciate you guys, as always. When we come back, we're going to talk edge rusher superlatives in the draft. We're going to talk about who stands out among our tape and get. Give a bunch of scouting reports with more of the draft show right after this.

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[Nick Harris]

When you have short arms and you are still a dominant top 15 worthy edge, you are the most technically skilled. So I'm gonna go Reuben Bane, he just, he has so many different moves and so many different moves that he can get away with that others can't because of his arm length. You. You see so much on display from Reuben Bane. I think when it comes to hands, foot quickness. Get off all of it. He understands it. He gets it. You see where the technical aspect of his game really shines and it's. It's Ruben Bane for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you think, Tommy?

[Vach Lombardi]

Spot on. I think Nick nailed it. Give me Reuben Bane.

[Tommy Yarish]

All right. Well, yeah, I was gonna say they're all gonna say Bane. Then I'll say on the other side, I think Mezador is really, really technically. It's just the Miami edge rushers. They're both really, really good pastors. Playing a lot of tools. Has a high awareness of how to attack the tackle also too.

[Bobby Belt]

I was watching this cat later on. I got him in the third. Max Llewellyn from Iowa.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

He's really good technique wise. Like he's not as good as banging them. But we saying Bane like, you know what I'm saying? So I can also throw him into the conversation. I was blown away with how he uses his hands and how he puts pass rush moves and plans together and stuff like that. Spin move. Nasty too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, going from there into most athletic. Ed Drescher in the draft. Oh, we got some Llewellyn tape. Tell me a little bit about him while it's up there for a little bit.

[Bobby Belt]

Just gave it to you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's a little bit more.

[Bobby Belt]

Oh, okay, cool.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I want you to dive in deeper.

[Bobby Belt]

I don't think he's as good versus the run though. I think that's kind of his problem or whatnot. I think he's a good stacking and shedding guy. Iowa stands them up and they play him hand down. I think hand down he's better because he gets to extend and shed and tackle. But as a standing linebacker, I think he gets a little lost. But just as a rusher, hands backup plan, counter third plan. Really good. Clutch. Whenever Iowa needs a big play and they need a bunch of big plays, he's running guys down. Big mot. Stuff like that. I like, I like Luelle in the left. I got him in the third. Some people have him lower. I like him a little more than others, but he's nice.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There you go. All right, back to it. Most athletic.

[Vach Lombardi]

Arville Reese, Ohio State.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, so there's, there's two different ways to look at this because there's the athleticism in terms of like it's the same thing that came up with Tony Pollard, when Tony Pollard run a 4 or 5. But on the field he was not a 4 or 5 player, like in pads and different things like that. So, so Arvell Reese would stand out to me as being a really top tier explosive athlete. But it doesn't, I don't know that it's going to show up on the test. The guy who to me looks like an explosive athlete and tests like an explosive athlete is Malachi Lawrence. That's the one that I would say is the top of the list of most athletic.

[Nick Harris]

I was going to say there's a guy who qualifies for the next three that you have right here. Most athletic, biggest upside, biggest value. And it's Malachi Lawrence out of Central Florida. He qualifies for all three of these at the combine. 4, 5, 2, 40 inch vertical jump, 1010 in the broad, and that's at 6, 4, 2, 5, 3. I, I'm, I don't understand why Malachi Lawrence is not being talked about as a early second round, late first round guy.

[Bobby Belt]

Wow.

[Nick Harris]

I am that high on Malachi Lawrence and, and it's Yeah. A lot of people have fours and fives on Malachi Lawrence. And so if that, that ends up staying the same and he's still there for you at 92 and you haven't taken an. Oh, shoot, you have taken an edge. You go, you go take Malachi Lawrence. I'm a, I'm a huge fan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What does he do? Well, that stands out first and whoop ass.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

Power.

[Nick Harris]

The power is insane here. I think he's going to be a day one guy that'll slide in and give you five sacks. I think he has that type of potential. Could eventually even turn into your alpha pass rusher.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting stuff. What do you think about most athletic there, Botch?

[Bobby Belt]

Man, it depends on where y' all have them. Carol Perkins, man. Some people may have him as a linebacker. I have him as an outside linebacker, edge type dude or whatever. I love him rushing to passer. Bursty as hell. Nick had a great rundown on him earlier there and you know, some, some, some media outlets kind of bumping them down the board a little bit. But just me watching his, his film from this year, if you consider him being hurt or the ACL stuff or whatever, he's recovered from that just fine. He's bursty, runs all over the place and he's versatile. He can line up off the ball, he can line up on the line of scrimmage and rush, or he can line up at safety and cover. Whatever you want to do. I like him a lot, but I have him as an edge. As an outside linebacker type edge guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, what about most upside, Tommy?

[Vach Lombardi]

I'll steal Vacha's answer there. I think Harold Perkins, I think the reason why is you guys nailed the player and what he does really well. But I think what surprised me the most about his collegiate career was how good he was his freshman year. LSU figured out how to take advantage of his skill set and then they just went ahead and changed everything. They moved him around to a place where I didn't feel like he was very advantageous. He was doing more off the ball things where he wasn't getting after the quarterback. I think this guy's at his best when he pins his ears back, gets after the quarterback. He did really well as a quarterback spy too. Who doesn't let guys get outside even, you know, some of the more mobile guys that he had to face in the sec. So that kind of similar outside linebacker role like Voch was doing, I think he can be a really good player. Reminds me a little bit of the Jalen Walker conversation that we had last year out of Georgia. I'm not necessarily comparing the players there, but if you can find a fit for him in your defense and he fits that role of getting after the quarterback, making sure he doesn't escape the pocket on you, I think this guy can be a really good player for five, seven, ten years.

[Nick Harris]

I think he would have been a better running back if he had entered college as a running back. He's just, he's got the better. He's got that kind of build. I think he's going to be a hell of a defender and I hope he gets placed in the right system to where he can let that versatility shine. Not necessarily be a negative, because I think versatility could be a pro or a con. I hope he, he enters a system that can allow it to be a pro. But I mean his, his build, his athleticism, all of it just, it screams running back. I don't know. That's just a thought popping out of

[Kyle Yeomans]

my mind given the football. Let him run a little bit.

[Tommy Yarish]

When I think upside, like, I'm thinking like who has the largest, like space between where they are now and what they could potentially be if they click and he's near the top of the draft. But it's Arvel Reese. Like, Arvell Reese is not like totally there as a full time edge rusher yet. I know he, he didn't have a lot of the production that people wanted in the second half of season, but to me that's, that's a guy who, all the tools are there for him to be a dominant edge rusher. So I'll say in terms of that gap and that chasm that's created of where they are now and where they could be, it's Arvel Reese.

[Nick Harris]

We're still on Most athletic, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

The biggest upside. You can talk about athletic.

[Nick Harris]

I was going to throw in David Bailey on Most Athletic too, because I don't think we brought him up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, that's good.

[Nick Harris]

Just want to throw that in there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Well, what about your biggest upside across

[Nick Harris]

the board, Malachi Lawrence?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Still back to him. I put him all three of them.

[Nick Harris]

All three of them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you said athletic upside value.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Malachi Lawrence. Absolutely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow. What about biggest value for you, Bobby?

[Tommy Yarish]

Oh, man. I think if you're talking about like a guy who's ready to, to like contribute now and will be to me is just like, that guy's going to be good, I can trust it. There's, there's nothing that I have to worry about. There, like, I think you can feel pretty comfortable with Akeem Mezador like, like, compared to anybody else. Like there, there's questions about all these guys. Reese has to reach a certain level. You know, Bailey still has to tap into something. Bane, there's questions about him. Keldrick Falk, there's questions about him. Obviously, there's a ton of questions about people who go in the second round. There's not a lot of questions about Mesador. It's just like he's got a ceiling on him because I think of just his age and probably athletically where he taps out. But to me, he is such a comfortable pick. To me at 20, as long as you're, you know, comfortable with the age stuff that to me that's just going to be an assured value because I feel really confident about what I get when I pick him up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What about you, Voch?

[Bobby Belt]

Which question we on?

[Tommy Yarish]

We are on value, biggest value.

[Bobby Belt]

Another one where it depends on where you have him. Jayson Barham from Michigan. Who's. I have him at linebacker, but some people are going to have him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think. You used him as your answer in the linebacker segment.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's kind of why. Because he played a bunch of edge this year. Played mostly linebacker his whole life. But this year they just said, hey, go play edge. And he got like four sacks and a ton of pressures by just being more athletic to somebody, by just running past somebody. Like, he didn't really know how to pass rush just yet. Now once he learns how to put moves together and win late and having counters and plans and all this kind of stuff, I think he could be even better as a rusher. But just as of right now, he's just winning by just running past people. Josh Joseph, you know, from Tennessee, he's another guy like that. That's your guy. Josh Joseph just win running past people, right, Nick? And when he learns some. Some hand technique and some fighting, he'll be much better, right, Nick?

[Nick Harris]

He's going to be good.

[Bobby Belt]

I'm sorry, Nick.

[Nick Harris]

No, you're good, you're good, you're good.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tell me a little bit about Joshua Josephs big, athletic.

[Nick Harris]

I think vox hit it on the head as far as I think if he gets the pass rush plan down and he gets in with a pass rush specialist, I think he's going to be a dude. Because you see the power, you see the quickness in the off ball.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's one of those here, right?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, there's two of them here. Really?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, true. And he's what, 6 foot 3, 240 and change. He's one of the smaller edge rushers, I guess that Dallas would consider.

[Nick Harris]

He doesn't, he doesn't come off as one of the smaller guys though.

[Keith Davis]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Plays bigger than that.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting. Biggest risk of the edge rusher class across the board. Tommy.

[Nick Harris]

There's a lot of them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There are, yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Eldrick Folk, Auburn.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think, I think you know what you're getting from him as a run guy. But, but everybody talks about his pass rush ceiling. You know, what is it? Are we sure that he can reach that? Are we sure that he can take the next steps in that game? You know, we Talk about Will McLay at the combine with you guys. Bobby was talking about how, you know, traits are some of the things that

[Tommy Yarish]

GMs traits get guys in trouble.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah. And I think Keldrick Falk might be the shining example of that. When it comes to teams looking at his ability to rush the passer. I think that guy right there, Keyaron Crawford, 24 for Auburn, is a really good pass rusher. But yeah, I would say Falk maybe with the biggest risk. Again, I think he's a really good run defender, but can he take the next step as a pass rusher is my big question.

[Nick Harris]

I think there's a bigger risk than falk in the first round.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think so too.

[Nick Harris]

1, 2, 3.

[Tommy Yarish]

Cash is how. And I, I.

[Vach Lombardi]

That's another Cash.

[Tommy Yarish]

Cash's. How is. Is such a specialist. He's really good at what he does, but man, that's a. Historically, when we've seen teams draft specialist type edge rushers, really high doesn't work. It has not consistently clicked any shorter arms too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, you've got.

[Tommy Yarish]

I really like them. I would, I would be willing to go to it. I think you might be drafting a really high end career rotational player though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are we going to look up on draft weekend and is there a high probability that we're there in the third round, fourth round and he's one of the names that's still sticking around.

[Bobby Belt]

Cash is not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You still think he's going to go that high? I'm.

[Tommy Yarish]

He will go. He'll go in the top 40.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But the arm length worries a lot of people more than some people, right?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, I mean, there's a good majority of people that are worried about the arm length and the, the wingspan, but is it enough for him to fall off the board entirely?

[Bobby Belt]

I think, I think Cash is fine and he's going to be Fine. When I think about like Cassius is great at something, right? So when I think about the risk, I think about the dudes that teams would like measurable wise, but I don't think that they're great at anything. Like LT Overton is not a first round name or anything like that. But there are some people that have him ranked like in the 40s and 50s and I'm like, bro, I don't know what he does well and he's a dude that got measurables that you would like and teams may overthink it and go and get him or something but he's a guy that's like risky as hell because he looks cool metric wise. But I'm not seeing it on Bane

[Tommy Yarish]

is a risk too. Like, I mean they all have something to me other than Bailey. I don't, I don't think Bailey has much that I'm worried about. But that you, you're talking about a very unique measurable that has not been seen in the NFL. And those are always dicey. When you bank on those, that's a

[Nick Harris]

door's age and injury history, that's a risk as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, you're right. All right, we got to get out of here. Got a super important conference call that's going to redefine the entire history of the Cowboys.

[Bobby Belt]

You got to talk to the quarterback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Quarterback when we come back. We'll be back on Thursday, 11am Central Time with more of the draft show. We'll officially be five weeks out from the NFL draft for Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt, Chris Beam in the backup Kyle Yeoman saying so long. See you on Thursday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Bobby Belt]

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