Draft Show: Potential Sleeper Picks at 20?

Summary

The Draft Show: Potential Sleeper Picks at 20?

Dallas Cowboys Podcast | March 5, 2026
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Voch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into potential "sleeper" prospects for the Cowboys around the 20th overall pick in the fast-approaching 2025 NFL Draft. The hosts break down under-discussed players on both offense and defense, analyze prospects' fit with the Cowboys, and debate hot takes on the scouting process. The crew also fields Twitter questions about positional fits and risk/reward scenarios, offers insight on team philosophy changes with new coaching, and, as always, brings fun and friendly banter.

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Scouting the Under-the-Radar Prospects

Segment Start: [03:22]

Chris Johnson, CB, San Diego State

• Tommy Yarish: Advocates for Johnson as a "polarizing prospect" who grew steadily at SDSU. “He’s not going to run 4.3 speed, but he ran a 4.4 at the combine… His fundamentals are great, and he can limit quicker receivers.”
• Nick Harris: Considers Johnson “pretty much stamped a day two, probably round two pick,” especially after a strong combine.
• Voch Lombardi: Loves his instincts in zone; "He had a nasty pick in the Cal game baiting the quarterback."
• Consensus: Late 1st/early 2nd-round possibility, especially after a trade back.

Chris Brazel, WR, Tennessee (via Tulane)

• Nick Harris: “Dog mentality... He’ll talk that s*** on the outside… Big catch radius, high floor. Would not surprise me if he sneaks into the back of the first round.” [06:35]
  • Brings up concerns about Tennessee’s WR system translating to the NFL.
  • Defends Brazel’s route running and proven production at Tulane.
• Bobby Belt: Notes NFL teams’ wariness of Tennessee WRs, referencing previous prospects who haven't translated well.
• Kyle Yeomans: Brazel’s success in multiple systems gives him more pro appeal than past Tennessee wideouts.

Jadarian Price, RB, Notre Dame

• Nick Harris: Highlights Price’s “high floor, smooth as a runner, strong in pass protection.” Scouts loved him in interviews. Day two/three value.

Jake Goldie, LB, Cincinnati

• Bobby Belt: “Not all-world athleticism, but great instincts, size, and processing. Needs to take on blocks with more physicality.” Considers him a modern, versatile LB who could sneak into the late first.

Jayshawn Barham, LB/EDGE, Michigan

• Voch Lombardi: “A Walmart (Arvell) Reese… Can play off-ball or rush the passer. Super explosive off the edge, but needs discipline and technique.” [13:45]
• Nick Harris: Sees him more as a day-three pick; "liked last year's off-ball tape but athletic testing was underwhelming."
• Bobby Belt: Emphasizes the need for Barham to play under control; otherwise, he gets lost by overpursuit.

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Players the Hosts Are Higher On Than Consensus

Segment Start: [15:31]

Keldrick Falk, DE/EDGE

• Bobby Belt: “People talk him down, but he’s a first-round guy for me, not top-10, but easily top-32. Power, frame, and quick reaction in the run game.” [16:17]

Zakee Wheatley, S, Penn State

• Voch Lombardi: “I like him more than McNeil Warren. Wheatley’s range jumps him up the board for me—a safety who can roam ‘the roof’ and tackle. I might have him higher than anybody else.” [17:16]

Bishop Fitzgerald, S, USC

• Tommy Yarish: “Fantastic at attacking the ball and in coverage. Best as a deep-coverage free safety.” [18:18]
• Bobby Belt: Sees him more as a strong safety: “I’d rather him playing forward pretty consistently.”

Dalen Everett, CB, Georgia

• Nick Harris: “Top-50 player; best run-defending corner in this class. Zone-coverage fit but has the length and had a great combine." [19:48]
• Group: Agrees he’s undervalued; “top-10 corner in this draft, definitely a possibility.” [21:42]

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Twitter Q&A: Draft Scenarios & Philosophies

Segment Start: [26:50]

First-Round Pairings: Safety & Cornerback

• Choices: C.J. Allen & Dylan Thieneman (S) vs. Mansoor Delane (CB) & Emmanuel McNeil Warren (S). [27:36]
• Bobby Belt & Voch Lombardi: Prefer Allen and Thieneman, citing readiness.
• Tommy Yarish: Stands by Delane & McNeil Warren, believes McNeil Warren’s skillset fits as a box safety even if he lacks deep range.
• Nick Harris: Challenges the logic: “So your safety can’t play safety?” Strongly values versatility.
• Bobby Belt: Skeptical: “I imagine I’m going to have 50 players above Emmanuel McNeil Warren.”

Safety Rankings

• Top consensus: Downs and Thieneman as first-round grades with Wheatley, Halsey, McNeil Warren rounding out the top five.

Using Draft Picks/Player Values

• Discussion on the risk of being “wiped out” at 12 or 20 and reaching for next-tier defenders or trading back.

Defensive Line and 4i Position Candidates

• Names like Solomon Thomas and Deny Dennis-Sutton surface as potential 4i fits in Christian Parker’s new scheme. [33:17]

Day 3 Edge Rusher Favorites

• Kylon Crawford, Auburn (Tommy/Yarish, Voch): “Raw but freak athlete, high ceiling."
• Ethan Burke, Texas (Nick Harris): “Hasn’t played football long, but huge upside."
• Anthony Lucas, USC (Bobby): “Traits and size, no instincts yet, but upside."
• Malachi Lawrence, UCF (Nick Harris): “Stock rising—probably a Day 2 pick now.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Chris Brazel’s toughness:
  “He’ll talk that s*** on the outside. He’ll go up against your best corner and he won’t be afraid.”
  —Nick Harris, [05:37]

• On Zakee Wheatley’s value:
  “Whenever you can fly around the football field, you can run and you can cover some damn grass as a safety, that'll throw you up the board for me.”
  —Voch Lombardi, [17:35]

• Everett on the run:
  “There is not a better run defending corner in this class in my opinion."
  —Nick Harris, [19:48]

• On Twitter Q&A fights:
  “So your safety can’t play safety?”
  —Nick Harris, [29:58]

• Colton Hood Media Buzz
  Colton Hood could be on Dallas’ radar as high as pick 20, with multiple hosts hearing from different league sources. Some suggest he has a similar play style to Quinyon Mitchell, if not quite the same ceiling.

• On stretching for player value:
  "When you’re talking about picking at 20… you’re trying to find people who contribute over the next three years… Colton Hood makes sense."
  —Bobby Belt, [54:41]

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Game Show—Draft ‘Would You Rather’

Segment Start: [46:45]

• Scenario: Choose behind three “doors”: Two have defensive standouts (e.g., Caleb Downs, Sonny Styles), one has a lower-value player (e.g., Diego Pavia).
• Tommy Yarish: “My Texas education tells me you have a 66% chance of getting a defender that's going to help change your defense. I'm taking the deal.” [48:06]
• All hosts say they’d roll the dice, highlighting the stakes and unpredictability at picks 12 and 20.

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Other Key Topics

• System Concerns: Ongoing debate about WRs and CBs coming from specific college systems (e.g., Tennessee, Baylor) and translating to NFL schemes.
• How Coaching Changes Affect Evaluation: New DC Christian Parker may value measurables (like length) differently from the old staff, making past tendencies less reliable.
• Combine/Pro Days: Several hosts await specific pro day workouts from key non-combine invitees (e.g., Jermod McCoy, Zion Young, Jordan Tyson, Isaiah Nwokobia).

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Closing Thoughts and Banter

Memorable Moment [56:29]

• Voch: “I think when the draft show is really good is when we fussin’ at each other in good faith… Shouts out to Tommy. Tommy had some good fights today.”
• Kyle: “If I’m going to fuss with anybody, I’d much rather be with y’all.”

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Takeaways & Flow

• The hosts provide a rapid-fire, in-depth rundown of overlooked prospects who could rise to the Cowboys' first or second pick.
• They challenge each other on player projections and positional value, aiming for realism rather than groupthink.
• The show balances player analysis with schematic discussion—how scheme and fit might trump consensus “rankings.”
• For each player discussed, the crew weighs combine data, film, temperament, and pro potential.
• Friendly argumentation and humor keep things lively and relatable, even as they get granular on scouting.

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For listeners wanting specific draft strategy, context on lesser-known prospects, and a taste of the draft room debate, this episode delivers insight with trademark Draft Show camaraderie.

Transcript

[Tommy Yarish]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

This is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft show,

[Vach Lombardi]

your war room for insider news and

[Kyle Yeomans]

draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frisco.

[Vach Lombardi]

Now, your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris,

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish, and Kyle Yeomans. Today is Thursday, March 5, 2026, and we are 49 days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome in to the draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Back inside the SWBC podcast studio at the Star and Frisco with Fox Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belts. Hi, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. If you don't. If you ever have a question on the chemistry of the show and how much fun we have. Ha. And talking football, but only football. That's exactly the type of chemistry we've got. We have a lot of fun hanging out, pre show, post show, whatever we got a chance to do. And V, how are you, man? No, you know, how are you doing this?

[Vach Lombardi]

Hey, man, that, that, that, that pre show question just lingering now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Because now I want to talk to y' all about it again off the show.

[Bobby Belt]

We could turn that into a draft segment.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kyle, would you like?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, yeah, I would. Because you guys, Sonny Seller or no, no. Like a future type of player. So behind one door is like Tremaine Edmonds, behind one door is Nicki Minwari, and then behind another door again is Kelvin Joseph or something. Are you taking the chance on opening one of the three doors?

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know what? That's our third segment.

[Bobby Belt]

Here we go.

[Vach Lombardi]

Boom.

[Bobby Belt]

Would you rather.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's our.

[Bobby Belt]

Would you rather we have to stop

[Nick Harris]

the whole show because Nicki, human worries under contract.

[Bobby Belt]

I'm talking about, like, in the future becoming somebody like that. Not the actual.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's all comparisons.

[Bobby Belt]

It's a comparison.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, come on, Nick, please.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nobody's gonna get us from tampering if we're just comparing. That's all it is. I do want to go through a lot of scouting today. We had a lot of news and notes on Tuesday, notably, of course, coming off of the NFL combine and getting the information that we did this past weekend, whether it be from testing numbers or conversations, etc. We, we still have the opportunity to watch a little bit more film now, getting into the final few months now seven weeks away from the NFL draft. So I, I, I kind of want to go around the room a little bit. All five of us do our own separate film study, but this is where we kind of bring it all together as kind of a war room type of feel. And, and I want you guys to bring somebody to the table hopefully that we haven't talked about, but if we have talked about them before, that's okay. Let's start with someone we're not talking about enough on this show. Whether it be for a Cowboys need or just somebody that you feel like is good enough for the recognition and hasn't had the right type of conversation around them yet.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think a guy that kind of rose for me a little bit and I've always liked since watching him at the Senior bowl and some of the film before that is San Diego State corner Chris Johnson. I know he's kind of a polarizing prospect. There are some people who are in on him, like me, some people who aren't, you know, this is a guy who, like Nick.

[Nick Harris]

No, I was Johnson.

[Vach Lombardi]

Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

I was just throwing examples out.

[Vach Lombardi]

I was looking for a fight.

[Tommy Yarish]

No, no, no. This is a guy who just continued to grow and grow and grow more over the four years that he played at San Diego State. I think his development, you really saw the kind of benefit of sticking around the same program for that long. In 2025, this wouldn't really technically sound. His fundamentals are great. I wrote that he's not going to be a guy that runs 4:3 speed, but he ran a 4:4 at the combine, so that's certainly a plus. But limiting receivers that are quicker than him, like I said, those fundamentals, that's where you see it, right? He's able to match guys off the line and be able to stick with them. Although, you know, his long speed is still good. But is that playing speed is, is the bigger question for me. If he's close, if he's able to close. Excuse me. He does so really wisely attacks the triangle. That's what Brian Schneider's talked about wanting to see his corners doing, to be able to bat the ball down, take it away. I just think he's a fluid player that you can really fit in a lot of different schemes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How do you feel about Chris Johnson and what you've seen so far?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, especially after combine. I Would say he's pretty much stamped a day two pick at least and probably around two pick. I like Chris Johnson a lot.

[Vach Lombardi]

I got a two on him. Fantastic in zone and off, man. I won't say some of the same things that Tommy was saying, but he had a nasty pick in the cow game. He was just kind of baiting the quarterback like, I ain't even looking over here. And he flew over there and caught a pick. I thought that was fantastic. Good job, Tommy.

[Nick Harris]

I'll say this. If the Cowboys end up trading back out of that 20 spot or even out of the 12, whatever, and they end up picking up a pick in the 30s, there's gonna be some good corners there. It'll be Chris Johnson, Keith Abney, maybe Colton Hood is a guy that slips into that type of range. Brandon C. Say, I think would be slipping into that type of range. Chandler Rivers out of Duke.

[Vach Lombardi]

Stukes.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Trade on Stoops out of Arizona. Safety. I think it's going to be fascinating to see, you know, what the 30s look like for defensive backs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who was the guy that we're not talking about, in your opinion?

[Nick Harris]

Oh, man. I'm going back and forth between two. Are you going to let me do two here?

[Bobby Belt]

Sure. Okay.

[Nick Harris]

I'm going to start with Chris Brazel.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sounds like a press conference. Can I have two questions?

[Nick Harris]

I'm going to start with Chris Brazel. The receiver out of Tennessee, began his career at Tulane, made his way over to Knoxville and big catch radius has developed his route tree as his career has gone along. But he's kind of got that dog mentality that you need on the outside. He'll talk that s on the outside. He'll go up against your best corner and he won't be afraid of it. But you need that type of swagger coming into the NFL and that's going to be a guy that you're going to want, you know, having that confidence in year one. But Chris Brazil, originally from Midland, Texas, somehow found his way to Tulane in Tennessee. But just a dog. And the, the body control that you see whenever he goes up top, he can really find that as well. Works the sideline really well, too. Like he understands the space that he has on the, on the outside. This is just a guy I think can play early. He's going to give you a high floor as soon as he arrives into the league. Would not surprise me if he sneaks into the back of the first round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Nick Harris]

I, I, I like Chris Brazil this much and I think teams are maybe coming around onto that idea as well had a great combine laid down a 4, 3, 7, which was honestly way faster than I expected him to think of him. Remember the Tennessee receiver last year, Dante Thornton? Think of him as like a souped up Dante Thornton who can actually run routes. That's, that's how I kind of see Chris Brazel, the other guy I'm going to throw out there. I'll make it quick because I kind of went on a tangent about Brazil, Jadarian, Price. If the Cowboys end up again with a pick in the late 20s or in the 30s after, after trading back and hey, you know, your corners are off the board, let me tell you to Darien Price, this is going to be a guy that I think plays in the league for a long time. He gives you a high floor as well. He is so smooth running in between the tackles, running outside zone, pass protection. He's got it. I honestly expected a little bit more from him in the receiving game given his body type, but that's something that I think you can develop as a complimentary running back, you know, as time goes along. But so many scouts love Jadarian and especially in the interviews. He knocked out the interviews in Indy as well. Kid from Denison, Texas too. So I got a couple Texas products on here. I'm being a little biased this morning, but those are a couple offensive guys I wanted to throw out there because I know you guys will probably have a lot of defensive guys. I don't think it's necessarily going to be an all defensive draft. And I'm not saying that they're going to take an offensive player, you know, with a premium pick, but it's worth throwing out there because obviously these guys factor into what the Cowboys equation will be if they end up with a pick in the 20s or 30s.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And price out of Notre Dame, by the way.

[Vach Lombardi]

Let me ask you a question about Brazil scouting. The helmet is a, is a big. No, no. But does the Tennessee run past you guy thing bother you a little bit?

[Nick Harris]

No, because I, I saw it at Tulane too. Yeah. And he's, he's got the route running ability and he was the most consistent receiver for Joey Aguilar, Tennessee quarterback last year. He can do things that, you know, Dante, that's why I say like souped up version of Dante Thornton, Jalen Hyatt even. Like those guys are like one speed go and they didn't have much of a route tree to them. Brazel has the route tree and I think that's why he might end up sneaking into the first round.

[Bobby Belt]

That does, that does worry teams though. Not, not just with Brazil. I just mean in general.

[Nick Harris]

Tennessee.

[Bobby Belt]

Tennessee. Tennessee does worry team. So, so this is something that they used to run into with Baylor. The Briles offense used to, to give teams some fits of like what do I, what do I really know about the skill position player within this scheme? And Tennessee's had a little bit of a tough track record recently putting skill players into the next level and then having them hit at that level. Jalen Hyatt, who. You just mentioned Jalen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right.

[Bobby Belt]

Tillman. Jalen Wright who was the Valous Jones was another one. And so they've just, they've not hit at the same level. And so I' from around the league is just people being like not totally sure. In fact that was, we've mentioned this before. I think Shotty said that in June talking about Joe Milton, that they were talking about Joe and they're talking about getting him ready. And he even said, he said he came from a scheme that doesn't really prepare you for the NFL.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. And I thought it was fascinating too. The guy, the combine's fastest man, Brendan Thompson, coming from the Briles type system with Jeff Levy runs at Mississippi State and checking in with some guys after he laid down the 4, 2, 6 and it's like, yeah, he's still like midday three. I'm like, oh, okay. You know, he, he doesn't necessarily have the, the route tree that I think some are wanting out of him for sure. And also he's 5 foot 8, 160 pounds.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. And I think Brazil like you said, because he comes from a different system initially and he's shown it previously, had success at Tulane, had success in a couple different systems. Maybe that does give him a little bit more of that opportunity to sneak into the first round and then buck the trend of Tennessee wide receivers that haven't had the same type of success at the pro level. Bobby, who's, who's the guy that you want to talk more?

[Bobby Belt]

I think we've, I think we've addressed him very briefly. Like he's come up as a name that we've talked about before. But I, I, and I know he, his 40 time wasn't necessarily the one that blew away everybody the way some of these other linebackers did. But I, I really like Jake Goldie from Cincinnati. I think that he's a really impressive player. That's somebody who, when you talk about the size, it's not like the all world athleticism like we've seen from from some linebackers lately. But, I mean, just in terms of size, a good enough athlete, somebody who I think reads, reads the play, reads what the offense is doing, reacts quickly to it. The only thing I'd like to see him do a little bit more is that I think that there are times that. And this is something that we ran into with a guy of a similar build. He's not the same athlete, but a similar build. Was Leighton Vanderash watching him at Boise, it was like, does he always take on the blockers the way that he's supposed to, or is he just trying to like, oh, let me see if I can slip him. Let me see if I can.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You.

[Bobby Belt]

When you are that size, you can't just be a run and chase will that you're hoping that, you know, defensive tackles are going to keep you clean. So I'd like to see him get a little bit more physical and taking on blocks at times. But, man, I think that he is really, really impressive prototype size. I love the way that he sees the game. I love the instincts, and I think that that's somebody who. Everything he can do, sub blitzer in the run game, little bit of coverage stuff with some tight ends, maybe. I think that he's a really great fit for the modern NFL linebacker.

[Vach Lombardi]

When you watch them and Cincy, they'll line them, you know, they'll line them up at the nickel a whole bunch.

[Bobby Belt]

Do you.

[Vach Lombardi]

Do you think they gonna be. Do you think teams will nickel at the next level?

[Bobby Belt]

So teams are using linebackers so differently these days. Like. Like in the past, it's like if you were linebacker, it's like, all right, you may have to take this, you know, running back that's leaking out a little bit. There's a lot more genuine coverage assignments. We've seen a ton of that in the last couple years. For referencing back to Christian Parker and what he's worked with, we've seen a ton of that with, like, Zach Bond, for instance, and. And how much that he's asked to cover. And so, yeah, I think that teams are absolutely going to ask him to. To cover in spurts. It's not going to be the primary thing with him, but he's a versatile enough piece that I think he's. That's a guy who has a chance to slip into the back end of the first.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who's your guy, Vach?

[Vach Lombardi]

Somebody I like or somebody that I don't care for too much?

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is still somebody that we haven't been talking about enough.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'll give You a little bit of. Okay, we'll spread them out. Have y' all seen Jayson Barham from Michigan?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Michigan? Yeah, man.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm watching Jayshawn Barham, right? I'm just watching him as like an outside linebacker edge dude. And I'm watching him fly off the line of scrimmage, get up field, bend and all this super explosive. Not a super great technician. But later I learned that he probably hasn't been playing it that that long. So, you know, he can learn from things like that. And I'm noticing that. All right, cool. He wins really early, but he doesn't win late. I'm like, all right, cool. So they can kind of knock him on that. I continue to watch film, right, Oklahoma and Ohio State and they play him off ball and I say, oh, let's see what your linebacker stuff look like. And it was cool. I wasn't really feeling it too. Too bad. But then the Internet told me to look last year, so I looked at his last year's film and he's off the ball all the time. And I liked his off the ball film enough last year to make me feel comfortable about him being an off the ball guy. So basically what you get with Barm is like a Walmart Reese. So if you don't get Reese at the top three or four or like whatever, just a dude that can play off ball that's smart enough run around, he's not going to be as fast as Reese, but can run around enough or whatever. But then on sub downs, he can play down at the edge and pass rush good enough and then have some upside to be a better rusher. I like Jayshawn Barham a whole bunch. I got a third on him and I asked the Internet about him. And the Internet had all kind of ups and downs. Some people had him in the fours and fives, some people had twos and threes. I would love to ask y', all if y' all have seen them. What do y' all think about Jayson

[Nick Harris]

Barham kind of in that Josiah Stewart role from a year ago. And I like Stewart a lot more, I will say, but I think Barham's got more of the physical tools so that could benefit him at the next level. But the testing didn't blow me away. I need to still go back and put like a final grade on him, but it's probably gonna end up day three for me.

[Bobby Belt]

I would have. Yeah, I think I'm probably gonna. I haven't finished him up yet, but I would imagine we'll have him roughly around the third round is where I really like him as a linebacker, like. Like just playing as a linebacker, not doing as much of the address stuff. The biggest thing with him I think is playing under control and playing a little bit more disciplined. It's a little. You like the hair on fire, you like the motor that runs hot. But when it's. It's too aggressive and you can have cutback, you get lost in over pursuit or you're getting washed out of the play because you're just playing a little too reckless. I think that he's somebody who will need to play under more control. But I like the, the comp of it being a Arvel Reese. That's kind of like the off brand.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

He's the king vitamin to the Captain Crunch, that kind of thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. I like that. It's kind of a bar. Yeah. When you look at Barnum specifically and what Barum. Barnum's like the. What was that?

[Bobby Belt]

The circus CT Barnum.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, my bad. Barum, the edge rusher, 6 foot 3, 240 pounds is what he measured out at. He's got decent arm length, decent hands. I think you guys nailed him. I would probably have him early day three and kind of like Bobby. I'm not specifically putting grades on guys that I haven't written about for the magazine yet and he's outside of that threshold for me. So that means at least outside the top 12, 13 at the edge rusher spot. But I think when you look at a class like this that's going to be so highly valued. I could see him going earlier than what I would have him in the, in the, in the draft grade because I'll probably put a fourth or a fifth on him.

[Vach Lombardi]

Sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But he could probably go third or fourth just because of how the edge rusher group is shaking out. Now, the sub question that you asked a couple minutes ago, second level of guys that we need to talk about, player that you're higher on now than you. You feel like compared to maybe those Internets people that you were talking about and the other media scouts that you

[Vach Lombardi]

mentioned earlier that I'm higher on than people on the Internet.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Give me 30 seconds. Come back to me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

Same, same.

[Bobby Belt]

I'll go ahead and go for it because I already. I already know this is. Feels like there's every year somebody like this that we're picking on a little bit. And I know he didn't have a great week last week, but it ends up being a little too over the top. The keldrick Falk.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Discussion. I feel like I, I, it gets lost a little bit to where people are all of a sudden talking about him as if it's like. And they're not actually saying this, but when you hear them describe him, it's like, okay, so what, you think that's like a fifth round player? Like, no, I got him in the first or second. It's like, okay, let's, they're like, let's, let's back off a little. I understand if you don't want him to go top 10 or something like that. Man. I think that, that Keldrick Fog is a really talented, versatile guy with a lot of potential that you can tap into. Definitely has not reached all of it. The athletic testing, the little bit that he did in Indy did not look as impressive as you wanted it to be, but, man, he's somebody who, I think that he, he just blows me away at times with how quickly he reads and reacts to things in the run game and the way that he can get off of blocks. And I think that that power and that athleticism, that frame, there's a lot to really like there. That's a first round player to me. Would I take him in the top 10? No. Would I even win him at 12? Probably not. But I think that that's a real, I think that's a really good football player.

[Vach Lombardi]

That's facts. Kyle. I got you. Zaki Wheatley. Oh, yeah. Safety from Penn State. And the reason I'm bringing his name up is because I like him a little more than McNeil Warren, even though I do have McNeil Warren in the twos, but I just also have Wheatley in the twos. And I don't know if everybody else gonna have Wheatley in the tools, but what I value the most, like from all these safeties, and I understand that we're in this age of versatility and everybody want to play. Nick, I value range, man. Whenever you can fly around the football field, you can run and you can cover some damn grass as a safety, that'll throw you up the board for me. But not also him being free with range or whatever, just on the roof, shouts out to Foot King, but he'll come down as strong and tackle, or he'll line up in nickel versus trips or something and man cover somebody. I don't think he's gonna be, man, covering a whole, whole, whole, whole bunch, but safety's on the roof. I just find super valuable, you know what I'm saying? So Wheatley, I Have a guy that's this. I'm. I likely have him ranked higher than, you know, most other people do.

[Tommy Yarish]

I will go with a different safety. I like Bishop Fitzgerald, the safety from USC a lot.

[Vach Lombardi]

Gotta watch him.

[Tommy Yarish]

And you know, there's a lot of talk about Kamari Ramsey, the other USC safety. And Ramsey's a solid player. He was playing more nickel this year for the Trojans and he wants safety. And I know USC fans talk about that a lot. When it's like, okay, you watch the 2025 film and Ramsey's isn't as good, but you know, Fitzgerald is a fantastic player when it comes to attacking the ball. He's good in coverage. I think he can kind of be that free guy that you let roam around the deep portion of the field and then when the ball is thrown his direction, you let him go and get after it. He was dual threat quarterback in high school and you can kind of see that athleticism on his tape and you know, the wit to know where the quarterback is going with the football. You know, the knocks that I've got on him. I don't think he had a great week at the combine and then not really the best player against the runs. That's why I say if you can find a way to keep him deeper in coverage, take away the deeper quarters of the field, then I think you would get a solid player on the back end for you.

[Bobby Belt]

I like him a lot, by the way. Bishop Fitzer, I would just say the only thing, I think he's definitely more strong to me, like strong safety than free just because I don't know that he's the kind of athlete with the range that I would need there. The ball skills are really good. He's a good tackler. I think there's a lot to really like about him. I would just say that I think that he's going to be limited. Like I don't, I don't want him necessarily roaming the deep middle as frequently. I'd rather him playing forward pretty consistently.

[Nick Harris]

My guy's going to be. We're staying with the defensive backs. Dalen Everett out of Georgia. I've continued to love what I've seen from him, but I don't know if it's a media scout thing or what it is. I mean, PFF has him ranked as the 84th on their big board. I think this is a round two player for me. There is not a better run defending corner in this class in my opinion. Like this guy, when he steps up and he wants to lay A hat on somebody. He will make the tackle. I think he could play outside. He can play in the nickel at the next level. He's going to give you that versatility. I think he's probably more of a zone guy at the next level. I will say I don't love whenever he's, you know, man press and has to run with somebody, that one maybe gives me a little bit, a little bit of concern. That's where I think you're starting to see some of these guys, you know, get ranked Dalen Everett lower in the top 100. But for me, this is a top 50 player. I love Dalen Everett. I think he's been one of the more consistent pieces for this Georgia defense over the last few years. And yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm gonna stamp that for sure. He's got the required length as well, and he had a great combine too. So, yeah, I'm sticking with Dalen Everett.

[Tommy Yarish]

What's interesting about Everett, that's a good point. And I like him too. He, he hasn't played nickel yet. He didn't play nickel in college. So I, I think that's probably where he would fit best at the next level. He's talked about it with us a little bit at the Senior bowl, that they were having him do a little bit more of that. I think that would be a place where he really thrives.

[Nick Harris]

And technically, 42 snaps in the slot last year, but I, I just, I see it from his run support standpoint, right? And those slot snaps, that's probably something. We have to go back and look and be like, okay, he was just controlled, you know, one side of the field, and there was probably one receiver to that side of the field. So. But as far as his run support and being able to play effectively in zone coverage and his length, I think you can make a strong case for him to play nickel.

[Tommy Yarish]

Technically.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Technically, you guys just brought up probably two of my favorite secondary players in the draft in terms of value in Everett and then Wheatley. I think I, I think weekly Wheatley has an argument for me to be the third best safety in the draft behind the intamin and downs.

[Vach Lombardi]

That's where I got him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I, I think he could be the number three guy in that case. And then for Everett, I think he's Probably a top 10 corner in the draft and nobody's talking about him like that compared to some of the names that you've got up at the top, like a Delane and a McCoy and a C, say, Hood, Terrell Johnson, Abney, Scott. I mean, these guys. I think Everett's right there with that group. 10th corner, second. So, yeah, top 10 corner in this draft. Definitely a possibility. All right, let's take our break. When we come back, we've got some Twitter on the 20. Then at the end of the show, we're going to open some doors. More of the draft show coming up right after this.

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[Bobby Belt]

Kyle, can I ask you a question?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, of course.

[Bobby Belt]

Do we have any update on Shabuzzi as a guest during the draft show?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have not had an update yet.

[Tommy Yarish]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But we will, we will.

[Bobby Belt]

Great ideas we will pursue when you're out. He promised that Shabuzzi was going to come on with us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I didn't promise it. I said I would promise.

[Bobby Belt]

He said he literally. He literally said I know people, not

[Nick Harris]

connections.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeoman's here.

[Bobby Belt]

If you say anything with enough confidence, people. Yeah, it's true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Especially on this, this station for sure. All right, let's get into some Twitter on the 20. All right. Couple good questions from yesterday as I pull up my bookmarks on Twitter. All right. G wants to know Sub G wiped out defensively. Actually, I'm going to do his bonus question. This. We've already answered this question. He was going to ask about Jeremiah Love at 12 and then defensive PPA at 20. I think if you're wiped out defensively, that's a possibility. We've already kind of talked through that. But he does have a bonus question. His bonus question is better. First round draft CJ Allen and Dylan the enemy, of course. Allen out of Georgia, the enemy out of Oregon, Mansour Delane out of LSU and Emmanuel McNeil Warren out of Toledo out of those two.

[Nick Harris]

It's so hard to answer pre free agency, but if you're asking me right now, yeah, I would say. I would say Delane. And who is Delane with McNeil Warren?

[Kyle Yeomans]

McNeil Warren.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

That's the problem.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What if I threw.

[Bobby Belt]

I will, I will take Alan and them because I know those two are contributing next year.

[Nick Harris]

I love Thienam and. Too much.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

I think, I think Alan and Thienaman are NFL ready players next year. I think, I think Delaney is too.

[Nick Harris]

I worry about Alan's knee. That's what's giving me pause.

[Bobby Belt]

I worry about. I. Look, I've been wrong before. It was three years in a row. I don't like the Toledo defensive player that everybody's pushing on us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I know Quinn.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Mitchell ended up being right and so I was, I was wrong on that one. But I'm just, I'm not a big fan of Emmanuel McNeil Warren. I just, I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Which is fair.

[Bobby Belt]

No. And so like, for me, I would. I really like the name and I like C.J. allen. Those two, I like said I think those are NFL ready. Like, like if you want to talk disciplined, smart, quick metal processors. Those are two guys I think that are near the top in terms of like, okay, I can expect that they're going to walk in and be able to contribute as rookies. So give me that pairing.

[Vach Lombardi]

I'm actually with Bobby on that. I don't like McNeil Warren as a, as a, as a one. You know what I'm saying? Like dropping like 20 overall on him.

[Bobby Belt]

He dropped back.

[Vach Lombardi]

See, I never assumed that trading back works, but if you trade back then, then sure. But taking them at 20. I would rather take Wheatley at 20 than McNeil Warren.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, what if I threw his name into that mix and that's what it would be because I have him higher than McNeil Warren.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. I'll probably take that. But the, the fact that you could get wiped out is the exact reason Why? I want to send the pic to some disgruntled, you know what I'm saying? Situation. But for the sake of your exercise, Mansoor Delane and whoever my safety is, sure, why not?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

I didn't realize there were this many problems with McNeil Warren.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's no problem.

[Vach Lombardi]

There's no problems.

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, just that I think he's a solid player.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think he's a very solid player. I think there's a lot of solid players in that range, though.

[Tommy Yarish]

I would take that Delane McNeil Warren duo in a heartbeat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why is that?

[Tommy Yarish]

I think you get the best player at his position in Delane. Okay. And you get a player. McNeil Warren is a big safety, long arms, one of those guys that you can play close to the line of scrimmage like you're seeing more and more teams do with their safeties. Now, sure, he struggles when he gets further away, but you can find somebody that can offset that. You can find somebody like a. That can be your cover guy down the field.

[Nick Harris]

So you're telling me your safety can't play safety?

[Bobby Belt]

See, this is what I. Yeah, this is. This is how I was.

[Nick Harris]

That's what I'm asking.

[Tommy Yarish]

No, I'm not saying that.

[Nick Harris]

Okay. Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

There are, there, are there not safeties that currently in the NFL that are playing that get. That aren't necessarily your deep cover guys? Am I wrong?

[Bobby Belt]

Say that again.

[Nick Harris]

Say that again.

[Tommy Yarish]

Are there guys in this, in this league currently playing in the NFL that as they get deeper part of the field that play safety, they aren't as good as they are close to the

[Bobby Belt]

line of scrimmage, they get replaced. Not that typically go to.

[Tommy Yarish]

Do you have, do you have another player that can offset that? Is that, do you think that's plausible?

[Nick Harris]

It depends on what team we're talking about here. Okay, well, we're talking about the Dallas Cowboys, then. Yeah, they wouldn't have another player offset that.

[Tommy Yarish]

But you can get one, can't you?

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you're saying.

[Bobby Belt]

Hold on, hold on, Tommy, never.

[Nick Harris]

You want to draft a safety who can't play safety, so you're going to have to bring in another safety to play safety.

[Tommy Yarish]

He can play safety. He's not playing the conventional safety.

[Nick Harris]

Okay, so he's playing linebacker.

[Tommy Yarish]

You're. No, he's. He's playing both.

[Nick Harris]

Okay, make him your slot corner. Can I, can we do that?

[Tommy Yarish]

Sure.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay, you can, you can make Emmanuel McNeil Warner.

[Nick Harris]

I want to see. Get red.

[Bobby Belt]

Hold on. Are you saying work for your nickel?

[Tommy Yarish]

You can put what you can Put whatever label you want him. I just think he's a good football player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, sure.

[Bobby Belt]

Not at 20 though. I like. I haven't done the SAG. I imagine I'm going to have 50 players above Emmanuel McNeil Warren.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Bobby Belt]

That like the way I Talk about Emmanuel McNeil Warren is the same way we're just talking about Bishop Fitzerald. Last segment.

[Tommy Yarish]

Okay. I'll stand it on that. I like you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, stand on it. Stand on your, your, your possibility. I'm right there with you, Nick.

[Nick Harris]

I just want to fight you.

[Bobby Belt]

Let me fight you and stay for

[Vach Lombardi]

something I like that you're not the

[Kyle Yeomans]

only One that has McNeil Warren above, above guys like Wheatley and some of these other.

[Bobby Belt]

I would say the vast majority of people who are. Who have been analyzing it have McNeil Warren above.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do they?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

There have been. I've consistently seen McNeil Warner had a Theman.

[Nick Harris]

That's cool.

[Bobby Belt]

That's starting to shift a little.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think you can unanimously say we're not going that far.

[Nick Harris]

I. I officially added Dylan Theman as a first round grade post combine.

[Vach Lombardi]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Tell me why. Why the. Why did you officially do that?

[Nick Harris]

The tested athleticism. The verified athleticism. Like that was the data point that I really didn't have and I didn't expect him to test. Test that well like Sonny Styles. I didn't expect him to test that well. I knew he'd be good. But wow. But yeah. Dylan Thieman officially stamped as my last first round grade at the moment.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So for you at the safety position, it's Downs and Thienaman correct as your first.

[Bobby Belt]

Correct.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then who's your third safety? Just for conversation purposes.

[Nick Harris]

Let's see what we got. Let's see what we got. Halsey. I'm a Halsey guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

I was so mad if he said

[Nick Harris]

Halsey, Wheatley, McNeil Warren.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So we all have generally the same top five. You would think because I've got Wheatley, Halsey, McNeil Warren after downs and Thienaman of course. But you can mix and match a lot of those guys. And I have a second on both Wheatley and McNeil Warren. So both of them can. Can play at a high level. I tend to lean toward your selection there. Don't. Don't take him at 20. Let's. Let's see what else, what else. What other options there are down the way Jordan wants to know. Say the Cowboys get a defensive tack tackle instead of a defensive end or a linebacker to address Christian Parker's four eye position. Remember that whole scheme change and what could possibly become of the four eyes spot? What are some of the names that Dallas could be going after if that's the case?

[Bobby Belt]

So in the draft who could they be going after to play 4i.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Bobby Belt]

I don't, I don't know that they would go defensive tackle there. I think they would look for like, I think that's where when we've talked about like Keldrick Falk and some of the big one, that's who they would end up having do it. There's really, I don't know, there's not anybody else that really pops in my mind that I would say yeah, that guy would be somebody that they could potentially target. I, I really don't think defensive tackle is on their radar even, even as a position switch thing right now.

[Vach Lombardi]

Bobby, may I ask you a question because people do bring up the bigger dudes to come and you know, play that for the Cowboys.

[Bobby Belt]

Right.

[Vach Lombardi]

Just cowboy talk right now. Do you. Do we think that Perry on Winfrey and Solomon Thomas can do that job like that 4 I type job that solemn?

[Bobby Belt]

I personally think Solomon Thomas could. I don't know if Perry on Winfrey could. Solomon Thomas, I think he could but again it's. Does Christian Parker think he can? Because. And that's going to throw out a.

[Vach Lombardi]

We.

[Bobby Belt]

We have become accustomed to certain, you know, measurables and non negotiables and things like that that existed with previous coaching staffs. That that's going to change now. And so I mean, shoot, we talked about it when we were in Indy. Conversation changed really quickly on Jadevian Clowney from beginning of January to after Christian Parker was hired.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

So similarly we've had a history of things that we believe about the way they address things. But I mean that's obviously kind of had a wrench thrown into it. We're gonna have to look for new trends.

[Nick Harris]

Gotta talk you into the denied in a Sutton as your foray. Ooh, I think that would be a quality pick. I think he's gonna end up going day two though. Yeah, day two pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Obviously he's not gonna slip to you at the fourth round, I don't think.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I was very surprised when we started buckering down on draft guys early January and he was getting fourth and fifth round craze. I was like why now? Now guys?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why?

[Vach Lombardi]

Cuz I don't think that he. Cuz I don't think that he, that he gives you value as a, as a pass rush. I think he's a. I think He's a. He's a raw rundown guy with a ton of trace that he doesn't quite know how to use just yet.

[Nick Harris]

I think his run game is so consistent though, that he's worth a day to pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We just disagree.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Okay.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, he's so strong.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's strong as hell.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, his hands point of attack are just. They're knocking people off their spot. He's got the athletic testing that. That backed it up as well. I know. I agree with you in. In one of the knocks I had, I said tight hips and a lack of bend when. When with his get off. Like, he doesn't have explosive get off. He doesn't have bend. He doesn't have the. The fluid hips.

[Bobby Belt]

But you wouldn't have to do that at four eye.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Bobby Belt]

Sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For sure. In the right system, the right fit, I want the strength and I want the bull rush and he can bring

[Bobby Belt]

both of those, which as are. I always. People always comment on. So just as a reset 4i. That's the defensive end on the inside shoulder of the tackle, correct?

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, thank you.

[Vach Lombardi]

I like the player, though. I like the player. I just.

[Bobby Belt]

Not a 20.

[Vach Lombardi]

No, no, no. Oh, no.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I want to clip Nick's reaction to that. The why I want to clip that and I want to have that as a drop for beam. Like when we're all like questioning something that we're really passionate about. And I just want him to do.

[Nick Harris]

When the Falcons take Michael Penn. Exactly why.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, that'd be a great draft weekend. Oh, my gosh. Anytime something random happens, that would be great.

[Nick Harris]

Keelan Robinson in the fifth round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good stuff.

[Vach Lombardi]

All right.

[Bobby Belt]

I could talk for me the. The Y drop.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Matt wants to know.

[Bobby Belt]

This is Matt.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Matt Owen, Professor O. He wants to know a few players that didn't participate in the combine that you're most interested to see perform at their pro days. And the reason I asked us ask this today is pro days start kind of trickling down the next couple of weeks.

[Bobby Belt]

There's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Every single position is Jeromont McCoy.

[Nick Harris]

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

[Bobby Belt]

I mean, I'm interested to see Zion Young who didn't do anything because there's a lot of buzz around him. But the guy of like, what's going on with you? It's Jermod McCoy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How jam packed is that Tennessee pro

[Bobby Belt]

day going to be pretty full.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They might as well just move it

[Bobby Belt]

to nail and I would guess a lot of 30 visits.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Any others on that list for you?

[Bobby Belt]

Like I said, Zion Young. I'm interested to see how he tests and I mean, obviously if you want to just talk about specific drills. Well, I mean, the three cone for basically every player in the draft. So since none of them wanted to do it, it's like.

[Vach Lombardi]

But make them do it.

[Tommy Yarish]

Give me Jordan Tyson, the Arizona State wide receiver.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

Maybe not necessarily looking for the Cowboys, but didn't do a lot at the combine. I know there's been questions about his injury history. So see what he runs. See if he runs well. I think he will. Twitchy, athletic and just interested to see some of the numbers and reports that come out of that one.

[Nick Harris]

Was shocked that this guy didn't get invited to the combine, which I think is notable. Isaiah Nia out of smu. I. I think he's a day three safety easily. Talk about all lobby team guys that walk in the room and you're like, okay, he plays football. That's Isaiah Nicole. So I'm excited to see him. Pretty sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Brady wants to know.

[Vach Lombardi]

So Brady.

[Tommy Yarish]

What?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who's your favorite day three edge rusher right now? Assuming Dallas does not address that spot early and has to wait until day three to get an edge.

[Vach Lombardi]

You know what?

[Tommy Yarish]

Kieron Crawford, Auburn.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ooh, I like that one.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Is he. Is he getting day three mocks?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I've seen it.

[Vach Lombardi]

I got him in the third. I like him a lot.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, he. I hope for his sake he sneaks in a day two, but all I've seen is he's a day three player. He's a little bit raw. But. But I mean, freak athlete. There you see him, he's. He's built really well. Yeah. Really strong. You're going to watch on this play just driving the tackle back straight into the quarterback. And he's got so much more room

[Kyle Yeomans]

for growth if he is getting day three mocks. Because I saw the same thing you did, I think. And it may change because I wrote about him in the magazine too. I have a fourth on him, maybe an early fourth and I still think he's a. He's a guy that could be early day three, but like you said, said really raw. Plays with one speed, has some agility and get off their. Their. That really sets him apart. And this is a draft where there's a common theme of the other pass rushers. Right. You've got Reuben Bane and Akeem Macedor at Miami. You've got David Bailey, Romello Hyde at Texas. Kieran Crawford. Is that Guy for Keldrick Falk at Auburn where he's got to get off, he's got the speed he also earned. When we're talking about Keldrick Falk and what he did and the lack of production. He was named all, all SEC third team. So was Crawford. They were both third teamers on the SEC all conference team. So at least comparable. Comparative comparable. Excuse me. This morning, tough stuff for me. I'm, I'm tired this morning. My whole household is sick. Oh, just to let you know. Yeah, there's four people and I'm the only one that's not sick at the moment. Yeah, I do have a cat. But he's comparable production wise to what Keldrick Falk is doing, but from the X's and O side of things. Like you said, very much so. Athletic build, high ceiling type of guy, but man, he's very raw and you're going to have to get that out of him at some point.

[Tommy Yarish]

Would no doubt take him late day two, early day three, late day two.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think you could do that for sure.

[Nick Harris]

I'm going to take one of your Texas guys, Ethan Burke. Tommy, I like him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Somebody asked about him on Twitter on the 20.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, 67260. Probably doesn't have the pass rush production as far as setting the edge though and, and playing the run game. Big fan of Ethan Burke. Another one that I was surprised didn't get a combine invite. This guy's going to get drafted and Mel Kiper had him as one of the outside guys for his top 100. I mean Ethan Burke I think has a large range of opinions right now, but I, he has only been playing football since his senior year of high school so I think there's still untapped potential there as well. But yeah, Ethan Burke I'm, I'm a

[Tommy Yarish]

fan of and he's super nimble for his size. He played lacrosse before. He's like one of the best lacrosse players in the country. So he's got a little bit of bend and maneuverability with his body using some of that background. And he made some big plays at Texas. I mean I'll always remember 4th and 1, I think when they played at Texas A and M in 2024 and he made, you know, the play of the game stuffing him short. Texas defense stopping him on the goal line and you know, that's a big reason why they won that of kind game.

[Bobby Belt]

If you're talking about day three edges, talented, well rounded edges don't get out of the first round usually. And even the ones with a few flaws get today too. So you're generally talking somebody who's like, there's a lot of warts here on day three, edge rusher that you like. And so I will always go upside. And so I'll say Anthony Lucas at usc just because of traits and size and some of the athleticism. A guy who does not look like he knows how to play football sometimes. Sure. Just, I mean, I mean, no instincts. You're talking about a guy who, for as big as he is, way too frequently, frequently, I think, allows blockers to get into his frame. Like it completely neutralizes some of the size that he has. But there's, there's a package there that I think you can put together and get a decent NFL edge rusher out of him if he can improve as a student a little more.

[Nick Harris]

Here's someone that I think scouts are starting to catch up a bit on is Malachi Lawrence out of Central Florida, started the process day three. I think he ends up probably being day two though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What position?

[Nick Harris]

Edge.

[Bobby Belt]

Edge rusher.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Cool. Good stuff as always on Twitter on the 20. Appreciate you asking the questions. When we come back, we're going to have some would you rather situations with the NFL draft, how could things turn out coming up in April and we're going to see which guessing game we would like to play going into that one when we return with more of the draft show right after this. Lowe's Nose Sundays are for football, so tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products and more. Then once your to do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax and enjoy the game. Shop in store or online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official partner of the NFL.

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[Nick Harris]

Because I found the bad one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, you have an idea.

[Vach Lombardi]

So I have it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so here's. I'll set up the segment here. You know how you like to watch, like prizes, right? Game shows where there's three doors. You got to pick the three doors.

[Vach Lombardi]

It's 20, 26. That'll buy watch prices. Y' all type too much to watch prices, right?

[Tommy Yarish]

Y'. All.

[Vach Lombardi]

Y' all busy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you think we have on in the background?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, that's right.

[Bobby Belt]

Big jeopardy guy.

[Vach Lombardi]

Bye. Go ahead.

[Bobby Belt]

Demographic split.

[Vach Lombardi]

Oh, why'd the camera have to be

[Kyle Yeomans]

on me when you said you guys watch?

[Vach Lombardi]

Okay, what you watch by bet in the middle of the day, what you. What you watch? Rap city still. Come on. All right, man. Go ahead, Kyle. Set your segment up, man. You say price right there. What?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they. They've got a game show network. Game show network all day, baby. Three doors. And of course, one of them is usually the winner. We're going to actually make two of these. Win winner.

[Tommy Yarish]

You.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You get two opportunities. Maybe. Maybe it's in honor of the. The 12th pick and the 20th pick. But if you choose wrong, you've got a 33% chance to have a. A draft bust. Nothing that works out in your favor if you choose the wrong door. So that's what we're doing. We're going door one, door two, door three. And what's behind each of the doors?

[Nick Harris]

I was going to say this is a reality. So each of these doors has a different reality.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, I like that.

[Nick Harris]

So behind one door is Caleb Downs. You got Caleb Downs.

[Vach Lombardi]

You drop.

[Nick Harris]

Drafted him at 12. You didn't have to trade up to get them.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay, that one. That's the one I'm picking.

[Nick Harris]

Of course. The other door is Sunny Styles. You got him at 12. Congratulations big time. Right. The other door, Michael Taft. The other door I'm not playing is the fourth round. The Cowboys decide with that pick. 114. They pick Diego Pavia. Do you take your chances and open one of the doors without knowing what's behind?

[Tommy Yarish]

Oh, goodness.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why does it got to be Diego Pavia?

[Nick Harris]

Because I love Diego.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It doesn't even make sense. Would you. Would you take the risk? A 33% chance that you end up with Pavia as your quarterback.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yes.

[Nick Harris]

You just had like.

[Vach Lombardi]

He's on your team.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's camp body.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

You can always cut Pavia. And you've got. My Texas education tells me that you have a 66% chance of getting a defender that's going to help change your defense. So I'm. I'm taking the deal.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Melvin said it sounds like more like let's Make a Deal. He says it's a different game show then Price is Right. Do you watch let's Make a Deal?

[Vach Lombardi]

I don't know what that is. Who. Who's the host on that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's.

[Vach Lombardi]

You don't even know because you don't watch let's Make a deal. Don't know about. That's why you're looking like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Would you. You go through with it?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, I'm taking the shot.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think.

[Bobby Belt]

I mean, especially if we're just talking about. We are all very much focused. Yeah. We want the day three picks and you're hoping to find value there. This draft for them is all about 12 and 20.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

So if you're telling me I get one of those players then.

[Nick Harris]

But you had a correct first round and you got Diego Pavia.

[Bobby Belt]

Well, you didn't tell me that.

[Nick Harris]

I did.

[Vach Lombardi]

Who's.

[Bobby Belt]

Who's my first round then? Like, who is it?

[Nick Harris]

Who. Who would be a crap first round?

[Bobby Belt]

Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. So that would be your.

[Bobby Belt]

Well, I mean, be careful.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

You may get that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That might be the case.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

I like Colton Hood, though, so I wouldn't be.

[Vach Lombardi]

They like them too, though.

[Nick Harris]

I would say, like colton hood at 12 because, like, that would be, I think, a bad selection.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So it'd be Sonny Styles, Caleb Downs, Colton Hood. Like, you're. You're fine with spinning the wheel at that point. Now we're going back to Prices, right?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, sure. I'll do it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yep.

[Bobby Belt]

I'm in for a chance of Styles and Downs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. I'm into.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I think there's. There's ways that this is going to go sideways from a media draft standpoint. I mean, we've talked about this possibility before, but just because we're talking about these names like Bain and Bailey and Downs and Styles and. And whatever it may be at 12 doesn't mean that they see it the same way. Way who.

[Bobby Belt]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who's the name we're not talking about at 12 and 20? Is it Colton Hood that should be in the conversation more just because they may like him more than the. The media side?

[Bobby Belt]

Does I, I, I do like Colton Hood. I, I don't, I don't think he'd be 12, but 20, I think Colton Hood could be on the table.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What if he is 12?

[Bobby Belt]

Well then who'd I get a 20? I guess that would just have to be because then depending on who I get to 20, then I may be like, ah, well, I can be okay with it because I flipped him around. But no, I think that Colton Hood, I think is a lot of what Christian Parker is looking for in terms of just like physical dog, get up there, play run support. I think, you know, being able to play across the formation, I think he's a good player. It's just, he's not.

[Nick Harris]

I'll just give him the peek behind the scenes. Bobby with me and Bobby and Tommy had lunch after the draft show on Tuesday and I had mentioned and I was like, hey, I heard Colton Hood from somebody last week. He was like, I also heard Colton Hood from a couple individuals last week because he knows more people than me. I was like, interesting.

[Vach Lombardi]

I did too.

[Nick Harris]

So, so.

[Bobby Belt]

And I'm pretty sure, in fact I'm almost certain not the same people that we heard Colton Hood from.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So it's for coming from, from different areas. Yeah. And it would that be 12 or 20? I guess just in general, I guess.

[Nick Harris]

I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably.

[Nick Harris]

I guess. I don't know. Was it Mel Kuiper that had colton hood at 12 or Daniel Jeremiah?

[Bobby Belt]

DJ had hood at 12 at one point.

[Nick Harris]

That was original. That was the first draft that he put out out there. So something fascinating to think about.

[Tommy Yarish]

I would be okay with Hood at 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why is that?

[Tommy Yarish]

I think he's good against the run. I need to go back good man to man cover corner. I think he, he gives you a higher floor than most to work with. And you know, we talked about. Of course, I'm blanking now on who you mentioned. Dalen Everett being one of the guys in the run game that has done a really good job. I think Hood is kind of in that same echelon of player against run.

[Vach Lombardi]

We all should like hood at 20. I think hood at 12 gets weird. Okay, hood at 12 gets weird.

[Nick Harris]

But.

[Vach Lombardi]

But the problem is I think you could easily be wiped out of top tier defenders at 12 and it'll kind of make you go, all right, who's next on our board besides these top five or six defenders, you know what I'm saying?

[Bobby Belt]

You know what? With Hood too, I was wrong. I've already acknowledged I was wrong. But I When I watch colton hood, I see who people talked about quinyan mitchell with. Like, the way people saw quinyan mitchell, that's generally how I see colton hood, which is like, I mean, I wouldn't have taken Quinjan Mitchell at 12 either, but. But, like, the way people talked about him, if I had seen that, I would have been okay with. All right. Around 20. I think that's Colton. I think. I think it's a similar type of play style. Obviously, quinon mitchell has become a really. Like, there's certain things you're just not going to know that the coaching staff will. About mental processing and different things like that that we wouldn't have had the answers on. But I think there's a lot about colton hood that when you see him, it looks like the way people had talked about quinion mitchell.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think when you try and piece together where these guys fit from a certain pick standpoint, like 12, right? You've got 12 and 20. If you're at 12, you have a good shot at getting the top corner on the board, which, at least in I think most of our cases has been sore. Delane, you're going to get the number one corner on your board. If you don't spend your 12th pick over the number one corner, then you got to turn around and you may have to stretch it either to the third round or, excuse me, to day three. And then that 20th pick is where you could possibly pick up a possible corner as well. So I think that's where hood comes in the play. He may not be the number 20th overall player on your board. He may be 25, 26, 27, but you go up a little bit to. And that's where I think it does make sense for him in that second pick of the first.

[Bobby Belt]

There are plenty of people that you watch him and you go like, man, that could. There's a bust factor there. You could do this or that. Like, is Colton hood, like this super high ceiling? Like, man, that could be the best corner coming out of the draft? I don't think so. But I also don't think Colton hood is. I think colton hood's going to hang around the league for a while. I feel pretty comfortable with that.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah, you can play.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's the type of player you need on this.

[Bobby Belt]

Honestly, when you're talking about picking at 20 and you're probably stretching your first round picks and you're trying, like, in terms of your first round grades and you're trying to. To find people who contribute over the next three years, when you're trying to open this window, then yeah, I think that Colton Hood makes sense.

[Vach Lombardi]

Hood or Thienaman Hood or Allen linebacker.

[Tommy Yarish]

Georgia Hood.

[Bobby Belt]

Who did I pick at 12 that might answer for me just on a straight. Probably Allen Hood or Mesador Miami Hood.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hood.

[Vach Lombardi]

Okay, I got y'.

[Tommy Yarish]

All.

[Vach Lombardi]

I gotcha.

[Nick Harris]

I have Keith Abney overhood, though. I'm big Keith Abney guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Arizona State.

[Nick Harris]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tell me about Keith Abney. I don't know if we've talked about him a ton.

[Nick Harris]

We have. He's. He's. He's got the fluidity. I think he play man zone a required length. He's got the long speed as well. He could play outside. I think he could play inside too. I'd like to see it at least test it out. But consistency doesn't give up the big play. I think smaller. Do what?

[Bobby Belt]

A little smaller.

[Nick Harris]

What did he come in at? 6 foot 191.

[Bobby Belt]

No, he came in at 510 and he was 30. 30 on the arms.

[Vach Lombardi]

He team be lying boy. He lying on it.

[Bobby Belt]

No. 51030 in Charms.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. So Arizona stayed out here lying. Nevertheless, that. That gives me more confidence he could be an inside guy so we can find positives.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah. Not a. Not a bad player. I'm just.

[Vach Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

In terms of the length question, which again, we don't know Christian Parker, how he's going to feel about it, but historically this personnel department has wanted more length. Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Appreciate you joining us here on this Thursday episode of the draft show.

[Vach Lombardi]

Can I say something?

[Bobby Belt]

Of course. I think always right.

[Vach Lombardi]

I think when this draft show.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wayne Brady, by the way, is the heat.

[Vach Lombardi]

Wayne Brady, That's.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's the host.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah. Price is right as Drew Carey.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vach Lombardi]

Look, I think when the draft show is really good is when we fussing at each other in good faith and all that. I want to give a shout out to Tommy. Man, Tommy act like he don't like fussing. I at us. Tommy had some good fights today. Tommy has some good fights today. So shouts out to Tommy.

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Let's keep working on it.

[Bobby Belt]

Tommy's become a bitter old man just in like a week.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Chris Beam wanted me to clarify. Wayne Brady is let's. Let's make a deal not Price is Right. Look, dog, I wanted to clarify that,

[Vach Lombardi]

you know, hey, man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But yeah, shout out to Tommy. Good job today, sir.

[Tommy Yarish]

If I. If I'm going to fuss with anybody, I'd much rather be with you all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, dude.

[Vach Lombardi]

That's horrible.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know how. I don't know how to feel about that one. All right, that does it for us as we get into next week. We will be back with some pro day numbers and possibly some free agency news, too, as the legal tampering period starts coming up next week for Fox Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belk, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the draft show. We'll see you next week. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about this, Cowboys? I'm U.S. transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. We all seem to be in a

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