Draft Show: Round 1 In the Books

Summary

The Draft Show — “Round 1 In the Books”

Date: April 25, 2025
Host: Dallas Cowboys Draft Coverage Team
Panel: Kyle Yeomans, Bryan Broaddus, Bobby Belt, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Vox Lombardi, Zach Wolchuk (rotating)
Location: The Star, Frisco, Texas

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Episode Overview

Night one of the 2025 NFL Draft delivered on the “total chaos” forecast, with high-profile trades, last-minute surprises, and shifting draft boards, especially impacting the Dallas Cowboys. Broadcasting live steps from the Cowboys’ war room, the panel recapped every twist, from the shockwaves of Jacksonville’s blockbuster move, to Dallas’ heartbreak with their top wide receiver target, and the ultimate addition of a mauling offensive lineman.

Central Theme:

• The hunt (and eventual heartbreak) for elite offensive weapons at #12 for Dallas
• Real-time board management: pivoting from preferred targets amid a shifting first round
• Reflections on the best team-building strategies and value left for Day 2

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Draft Night Energy & Early Chaos

(Timestamp: 00:45–04:44)

• Kyle Yeomans welcomes the audience, previewing “three days…of total chaos” with the Cowboys panel.
• The group introduces themselves, emphasizing the deep experience in the room, with Bryan Broaddus humorously tracing his draft coverage back to 1992.
• Tension over “formal dress” is relieved by joking about Bobby Belt’s hat/hair issues (02:49).

“12 full months of diligent planning, int­ense legwork…all combine into these 257 picks of total chaos. Wouldn’t have it any other way.”
— Kyle Yeomans (00:45)

2. Cowboys' Primary Target: Tetairoa McMillan Watch

(Timestamp: 03:40–10:52)

• Broaddus and Harris share that McMillan, wide receiver from Arizona, has been the focus of Cowboys’ interest at #12.
• Panel discusses the “minefield” of teams ahead likely to take McMillan—Jacksonville, New Orleans, even trade-up rumors involving Chicago.
• Early consensus is that trading up is too costly; trading back is more palatable, if the Cowboys are wiped.

“Dallas…they might have to walk a little bit of a minefield to get there [to McMillan], but boy, that’s part of the journey here with this draft.”
— Bryan Broaddus (04:44)

• Nick Harris: “I am on the team of never trading up in this draft…draft capital is certainly going to be more worth than what they could potentially give up even two or three spots.”

3. If Not McMillan—What’s Next? Pivot Scenarios

(Timestamp: 08:32–16:49)

• The hosts break down what the board looks like if McMillan is gone: names like Emeka Egbuka, Matthew Golden (WR), Tyler Booker & Gray Zabel (OL), and defensive linemen Mason Graham, Walter Nolan.
• Consensus grows that if McMillan is wiped, trade back becomes most likely; if stuck, Dallas would go with “a player they like and feel good about.”
• Panel highlights the extreme depth at positions like running back, but the relative scarcity of “can’t miss” prospects at the top this year.

“If you have a large group, why not slide back three to five spots—it gives you an easier decision later down the line?”
— Nick Harris (15:10)

4. Trade Markets & League-Wide Moves

(Timestamp: 11:52–15:01; throughout 80:54–88:43)

• Bobby Belt discusses potential trade partners: Seattle is a logical dance partner due to draft capital, but warns, “so many teams want to move back, it’s a buyer’s market.”
• Talk centers on the effects of aggressive trading at the top—especially Jacksonville’s move up for Travis Hunter, which reverberated through the entire round and helped push McMillan closer to Dallas’ range.

“Teams are willing to come up, because the price of playing poker is not that expensive.”
— Bryan Broaddus (13:19)

5. Live Draft Room Reactions — Cowboys' Targets Wiped

(Timestamp: 130:02–131:53)

• Drama unfolds live: Carolina takes Tetairoa McMillan at #8, breaking Cowboys hearts and forcing an immediate pivot on air.
• The entire panel recognizes Dallas was prepared for this scenario—Booker, Zabel, golden, and defensive names become the focus.
• “A real-time test of your board” as all agree, you learn what the Cowboys really think based on who they pick or if they push hard to move down.

“They were ready for this. It doesn't hurt them less, though.”
— Bobby Belt (131:30)

6. The Pick — Tyler Booker, OG, Alabama at No. 12

(Timestamp: 149:57–153:45; 175:03–177:20)

• After fielding (but declining) a low-ball trade offer from Houston, Dallas stands pat and takes Tyler Booker, plug-and-play right guard from Alabama.
• Draft room insights: Broaddus describes Booker as a “mauler,” a “bulldozer,” and perfect to help reinforce the interior run game, replacing Zach Martin.
• Booker’s “alpha” leadership and SEC-tested pedigree highlighted as key tiebreakers.
• Reaction is enthusiastic; Vox Lombardi (Vach) notes Dallas’ interior line goes from “needing help” to “strong as hell.”

“You got three people pushers in the middle. Run game is about to be physical, ladies and gentlemen.”
— Vox Lombardi (154:03)

“They feel like they’re not guessing at all on this one.”
— Bobby Belt (156:55)

Notable Quotes After Pick:

• Bryan Broaddus reads a scout’s text: “Booker was my favorite player in my area.” (155:37)
• “You get to remake your offensive line, and you do it in one pick.”
  — Kyle Yeomans (158:57)

7. Listener/Viewer Feedback: Fan Reactions and Draft Philosophy

(Timestamp: 224:31–228:39)

• Some fans grumble about not getting a WR, but the panel reminds: “You can't throw the football if you can't block and protect your quarterback… never a bad idea to be putting stuff in the trenches.”

— Zach Wolchuk

• Calls for patience: “Take a deep breath. There's a lot of NFL draft left and still plenty of wide receivers and running backs you can attack.”

— Zach Wolchuk

8. Outlook for Day 2 – Value & Strategy

(Timestamp: 285:09–301:59)

• They discuss how, with only two RBs and several WRs taken, there is rare depth for Cowboys to shop for value at #44 and #76.

• Luther Burden (WR, Missouri) is a consensus “run to the podium” target if he starts slipping.

• Broaddus: “I definitely think about going after [Burden] if it was me.”

• Emphasis on “Don’t overthink it” — plenty of good corners, runners, and receivers left for Friday if Dallas stays patient.

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Most Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Dallas…they might have to walk a little bit of a minefield to get there [to McMillan], but boy, that's part of the journey.”
  — Bryan Broaddus (04:44)

• “You have three people pushers in the middle. Run game is about to be physical, ladies and gentlemen.”
  — Vox Lombardi (154:03)

• “They feel like they're not guessing at all on this one.”
  — Bobby Belt (156:55)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:45–04:44: Opening, cast intros, setting the theme of “chaos”
• 04:44–08:32: McMillan watch and trade-up/trade-down scenarios
• 08:32–16:49: Alternate plans if McMillan wiped, deep dive on other targets
• 11:52–15:01: Cowboys trade market analysis
• 80:54–88:43: Real-time reaction to live trades at the top, shifting board
• 130:02–131:53: Cowboys react to losing McMillan (Carolina at #8)
• 149:57–153:45: Cowboys pick Tyler Booker, live discussion and instant breakdown
• 175:03–177:20: Secret audio of Cowboys’ war room phone call to Tyler Booker
• 224:31–228:39: Addressing fan reactions, looking ahead at value for Day 2
• 285:09–301:59: Day 2 strategy — targets, trade-up/down talk, optimism

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Summary Table: Cowboys First Round Options & Ultimate Pick

| Preferred (Wiped) | Backup Pool (Considered, Not Taken) | The Pick | |------------------------|----------------------------------------------|-----------------------| | Tetairoa McMillan (WR) | Matthew Golden (WR); Emeka Egbuka (WR); | Tyler Booker (OG, AL) | | | Gray Zabel (OL); Walter Nolan (DT); | | | | Defensive names: Mikel Williams, Jalen Walker| |

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Final Thoughts

The Draft Show’s night one episode delivered authentic, in-the-moment reactions and robust analysis as the draft unfolded. Cowboys fans looking for high-profile weapons swallowed a bitter pill when McMillan came off the board to Carolina, but the panel convincingly explained the value of re-fortifying the trenches with Tyler Booker—“the safest, most needed pick”—especially with a loaded RB/WR crop for Day 2. The recurring message: be patient, set your board, and trust the work.

Next up: The team preps for a potentially juicy second round, with strong WRs, RBs, and DBs still ripe for picking.

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Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Bobby Belt]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Vox Lombardi]

Cowboys Radio Network is on the air. This is the 2025 NFL Draft with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kyle Yeomans, Zach Walchuck, Brian Broadus, Bobby.

[Vox Lombardi]

Belt, Nick Harris and Tommy Yarish.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just a few steps away from the war room itself at the world headquarters of the Dallas Cowboys at the Star in Frisco. This is the Draft show presented by Miller Light live from Frisco, Texas. It is night one of the 2025 NFL Draft and we open the weekend with a quote from one of the great philosophers of our time. Flee from the Red Hot Chili Peppers once said, anything worth doing good takes a little chaos. And over the next three days, 12 full months of diligent planning, intense legwork by scouts, coaches, prospects and media all combine into these 257 picks of total chaos. We would love to have it any other way. That's not what we've got. We've got chaos over these next three days as we welcome you to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. We've got what I've like to call the Avengers of NFL Draft coverage surrounding the Dallas Cowboys. I'm Kyle Yeomans. I'll be leading you through the next three days with this group of rot, panelists, analyst and scouts over these next 72 hours or so. Let's start things off with our first year draft rookie Tommy Yarish from Dallas Cowboys.com writer for the Dallas Cowboys in house media we've got Nick Harris, his second draft with the draft show, third with the Dallas Cowboys, but he's now with the Fort Worth Star Telegram joining us here on the draft show. We've got for the first time Vach Lombardi on the show. He'll be on later. Zach Wolchuk will be on later. From 153 the fan. We've got Bobby belts on the 1053 the fan side. What draft is this for you, Bobby?

[Bobby Belt]

This is three, right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Three on the draft show and then how many total?

[Bobby Belt]

Meaning what? Like in the media? In the media, like 10.

[Kyle Yeomans]

10. Okay, so a decade worth. How does that compare to Brian Broaddus, the Godfather of the NFL draft coverage.

[Brian Broaddus]

On 1053 yeah, 1992 was my first one. The last time they did a 12 round draft, that's when I got my start. So great to be with everybody here today. Really super excited to get this thing going.

[Bobby Belt]

I just want to make clear how angry I am every year at this time, though, with Brian Broadus making us dress up like this and not allowing me to wear a hat so people actually have to see my hairline. And Broadus can feel better about his. Hey, you look great, Bobby.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think you look fantastic.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think you should wear the hat with the jacket and the button up.

[Bobby Belt]

I should, honestly? Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's kind of your staple.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, I think so. I, I, I should have done that.

[Nick Harris]

She chef her with like the hoodie and the jacket on. I fully expected that from you today.

[Bobby Belt]

Oh, yeah, like the, the Andrew Whitworth, like, oh, that's a good play.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Make that happen. It's formal enough now, right? You can make it happen. All right. We've got about an hour until the first round begins in Green Bay, Wisconsin. First time they've ever hosted the draft. It's at Lambeau Field. And Brian, I don't know how much more we know from this point.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

As when we've started this process back at the end of the regular season.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. It's interesting to say the least. And trying to kind of, kind of figure out information what is going to happen ahead of the Dallas Cowboys right now is, has been fascinating for me. There's some guys that have been very adamant about teams trying to go up. There's players that Dallas is kind of obviously targeting. Ted McMillan, the wide receiver from Arizona, seems to be a guy that's in play for the Cowboys at 12, but can he get to them at 12? There are some teams right now that are kind of thinking about, hey, if we maybe go back two or three spots, there's Ted McMillan. There's some teams that would pick him right at their spot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Spot.

[Brian Broaddus]

All this is going down in front of you. Jacksonville has been a team that's been super aggressive today trying to get to Cleveland at two, you know, maybe hanging in their spot at five or maybe dropping back. And so they like Ted McMillan as well. So Dallas, if that's the, in fact, what they're looking at right now is their board is a guy they're targeting. They might have to walk a little bit of a minefield to get there, but, boy, that's part of the journey here with this draft.

[Nick Harris]

Yes, certainly. And I just want to bring a theoretical to the table. Ted McMillan, he's there at 8 before New Orleans, before Chicago. I am on the team of never trading up in this draft. I don't think it's worth it. But do we have a conversation about it?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do you?

[Nick Harris]

I think it's worth having a conversation, see what the room thinks, you know, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's at least brought up in the room, in the war room upstairs. But for me, the draft capital is certainly going to be way more worth than what they could potentially give up for trading up even two or three spots to go get a Ted McMillan. But nevertheless, I think it's worth a conversation having.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, is it even a guarantee, Bobby, that he makes it that far into the top 10 at 8 or 9 overall? I know New Orleans seems to be a team that's kind of in that mix for Tetmillan, but at the same time, you can't even ensure he's going to be there at that point. Right.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah. I think Jacksonville likes him. New Orleans likes him. I think there's some positive feeling from Carolina. I just don't know that Carolina would pick him. Yeah, to me, I think the biggest threat is New Orleans at 9 and then does. Does Jacksonville, which. The buzz right now is that they're trying to go up.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

If Jacksonville is unable to go up and says instead, we'll bail back. There was some chatter today on the Internet. I didn't even see from who, but there's some chatter out there that could the Bears go up to five to get Genti. I think the scenario where you have to worry about Jacksonville is not them picking him at 5, it's them going back to 10 and then taking him is what I would be concerned with. But yeah, I think Jacksonville and New Orleans, those are the two big landmines for you.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think, Bobby, you nailed it. I think the, the team that can screw all this up is the Bears. If they move up to 10 to 5, excuse me, being then get Genty and Jacksonville drops back. But even then you brought a point about New Orleans. Is that Kellen Moore's guide? Is that where, you know, he finds his, his number one wide receiver to pair with Chris Olava? They need a quarterback too. So that's one of the spots that, you know, Shador Sanders has been thrown around.

[Brian Broaddus]

But Jackson Dart too. Yeah. Jason Dart.

[Tommy Yarish]

So, you know, there's so much on these first ten picks. No idea. Like, there's just no way to predict anything that can happen without, you know, hearing about these, these trades first. And I feel like there's going to be more than one in terms of movement in the top 10.

[Nick Harris]

And it felt like some certainty in the top six coming into the week. And now as we get closer and closer to draft night, the only pick that I know for sure is going to happen is number one. Even the Browns are fielding calls for number two at this point. That could be where Jacksonville is potentially trying to trade up to go get Travis Hunter or one of these other guys. It's going to be a fun night, guys. I think we're going to have a lot of wheeling and dealing here in the top 15.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. If you're the Cowboys, though, you have had to work through a scenario on your board where McMillan's not there. If that's the guy you're looking at, you know, you have to be able to kind of look and evaluate. You look at your stack where everything is on that board and then start to say, okay, this is, you know, this would be the next best spot for us. This would be the next best player for us. And, you know, when Jerry Jones was talking about it the other day that the board wasn't set, I'm feeling that they might have been working through that maybe their board was set, but they were working through the idea of potentially a guy like Ted McMillan not being there. And so then you get a little bit. It makes you uncomfortable. The whole idea is to be comfortable when you draft and, and you don't want to get caught on the clock having to figure things out. So walking through those kinds of scenarios where maybe a player, you take a player away, if it's not McMillan, maybe you take somebody else away and you just walk yourself through those situations where you feel totally comfortable that, hey, if that happens, we're going to take this guy and go forward now with all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of the scenarios that could possibly work out for the Cowboys, whether it's from 1 to 11 or even after that, from a trade back scenario, I feel like this is the first time we've kind of looked at it and said because of the list of prospects ahead of you, because of the small number of can't miss prospects, it's the first time I've really heard the group kind of be okay with moving. Would you still be. Would you still rather move back and get as much draft capital as possible, add to the 10 picks that you already own, or what would it take to get up there and at least make some noise to try and find a guy like Ted McMillan early on?

[Tommy Yarish]

I think your best option here is to move back. I think that. I don't know if there are. I'm with Nick think if they're.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If he's not there.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, if he's not there. I don't think that that's. That that's a scenario where you're wanting. You can. I mean, you can stand in there and make a pick. I've said that Matthew golden would be the pick, the wider tier from Texas if they stick in there at 12. And I still think it could be. But I also think that's a scenario where you can drop back. And even if golden goes, I think you've got guys on your board that you'd feel comfortable taking at 1820, however far they want to move back. Like Emeka Ibuka is a name that I think a lot of people like myself included, I know he's one of the favorites of the show, too. So I think if you're going to move at all, it's got to be back. I don't know if there's anybody worth moving up for unless you're going to get a Travis Hunter, but you're going to have to give up way too much capital for that.

[Brian Broaddus]

You know, maybe Dallas is in a situation, guys where they might not make a call on the clock. But, man, I'll tell you what, if I start to see or get that feeling that McMillan's not going to be there, then I know they don't really want to jump on the phone, but, I mean, way ahead of me. I'm going to try and make some calls. I'm going to call Atlanta. I'm going to call Arizona. I'm going to call my buddy Sean Payton down there at, you know, I'm going to start to make some calls. I don't think, you know, Jerry talked about not wanting to pick up the phone, but maybe he's picked up the phone before the drafts even started. Maybe this is one of those things where, you know, you talk to the other general managers around the league and you start to say, hey, listen, this is kind of where we're at. If your guys are interested, Sean Payton, if you're interested in coming up, you know, to our spot, you want to draft a running back, the tight end, you want to get one of those positions, you know, we're. We're open for business here. Like, Dallas could say, hey, we, we don't want to make the call on the clock. But could this afternoon have been about making a bunch of calls behind and then getting, getting an idea of that?

[Nick Harris]

There's been a Lot of calls fielded around the league today and you would have to think the Cowboys are part of that. Yeah, they are very clearly in the trade backed market. Stephen Jones said it earlier this week. That was said intentionally. And as the week has gone on, there are more and more teams showing interest in trading up. You have Denver, you have Seattle, you have Houston. That's really looking to make some moves. Just a couple of hours ago, Hous Houston added two Day 3 picks to their repertoire going into the weekend. They are getting ready to leverage some of these picks in order to trade up and go and get one of these top offensive linemen. And to do so they would need to get probably into the top 12. So there's going to be a lot of possibilities I think tonight, growing name.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of teams, growing list of teams that are going up there and possibly going to trade up. We talked about how you have to be careful trading back and you have to find the right compensation, the right trade partner, the right dance partner in order to do so. Bobby, have you heard anything across the league when it comes to possible trading partners for Dallas specifically?

[Bobby Belt]

So, no, like, I mean you always hear Philadelphia is willing to go up. Yeah, Philadelphia may not be willing to totally play ball with you though they did a couple years ago on the mica trade. That was something where you were talking about 10 to 12 though, and you were in the process of jumping the Giants. So it kind of made sense for everybody in that situation. That's 32. That's a long way to jump back and to potentially have to make up the capital that's there. The team that I keep looking at, that makes the most sense to me. If you could get them interested enough that they wanted to go up would be Seattle. Because Seattle right now, their two third round picks equal up almost perfectly to the drop to 18. They've got two second rounders, so they've got the capital to kind of do that if they. John Schneider had talked about recently the idea that, hey, people need to show more respect to these quarterbacks and these quarterback prospects are legitimate. So if you could get Seattle interested in that, great. The biggest problem is it sounds like so many teams want to move back and if so many teams want to move back, it's a buyer's market, so you're not going to be able to hold anybody for ransom and your offer is going to get shopped around probably pretty easily as just all right, well, if you're asking for too much, I'm going to go talk to San Francisco who needs draft picks I'm going to go talk to Miami after that. We can figure out somebody to play ball and probably offer us a cheaper deal. So I think whatever you see, when you see moves made, if it's not this Jacksonville going up to two kind of thing, anything outside the top 10, I think you're looking at probably 85, 90 cents on the dollar compared to past.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think the guy up ahead of you that's really interested in moving is Elliott Wolfe at New England.

[Vox Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

And he could, he could affect the draft in a couple of different ways. So you talk about teams maybe trying to get all the way to four, you know, from the middle of the board and maybe you can offer enough to Elliott to make him, make him get off his pick at four. So, man, it's going to be, you know, as we're going along and you start to see like, okay, you know, New England's on the clock and next thing you know, that thing flips to Denver or somebody else. Now you're like, whoa, okay, what just happened here? But be under, you know, have an understanding that teams are willing to come up because the price of playing poker is not that expensive for them to have to do that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Titans hold the number one overall pick, followed by the Cleveland Browns, then the New York Giants. New England, as Brian just said, have that fourth overall pick. Those top four selections, we have a pretty good idea of how those four could fall at pick number five. The Jacksonville Jaguars have all sorts of power over this draft. Whether they're trading out, whether they're staying and picking who they're going to stay in pick. Do they go Mason Graham, the defensive tackle out of Michigan, do they draft Ashton Genty, running back from Boise State? There are a number of guys that they could go with there. That top five could be very interesting. After that, it's the Las Vegas Raiders at 6, at 7, it's the New York Jets, 8, Carolina Panthers, 9, New Orleans Saints, the Chicago Bears team rumored to possibly jump up there at 10, San Francisco. The 49ers are at 11. And then of course the Dallas Cowboys there at pick number 12. If you had to guess at this moment, Nik Harris. Do you feel like staying and picking is the most likely of the three options instead of trading up or trading back?

[Nick Harris]

If Ted McMillan is there absolutely anything else, if he's not, I would bet on, on a trade back opportunity being there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, interesting.

[Nick Harris]

Just because you, you think about these three offensive linemen that are apparently going to be going in the top 10, you're factoring in Mason Graham, you're factoring in Gen T, all these other guys. There's going to be a talented player there for you at 12. Is it a Mason Graham type? It is a Jalen Walker type. And if so, could you dangle that in front of a team and instead of getting that 85 to 90 cents on the dollar, you can truly get the true value of that pick. Slide back a few spots. So I. We've talked about how many names there are right in that second group behind McMillan as far as big targets for this team tonight. If there's a large group, let's say five players, why not slide back three to five spots and it gives you an easier decision later down the line? That's what these last few days have been about, is figuring out the nitty gritty in that stack if McMillan is not there. That's why the board was not up on Tuesday whenever Jerry was talking about it. They're trying to figure out who they would take between these other guys. And it's so close together. And if it's that close together, go ahead and pick you up another pick and slide back a few spots, get you some value and roll with one of your guys.

[Bobby Belt]

I will say I think the desire to trade back if McMillan is not there is 100% what their preference would be at that point. It's just about, I don't know if they get stuck. They might. And if they get stuck, I mean stuck, quote unquote, I think they'd still get a player they like and they feel good about. I just think they'd be like, ah, that was an opportunity where if we could have picked up some extra capital, we would have liked it. They liked Michael Parsons when they traded back from him a few years ago. They had him ranked higher where they were picking. So I think that they would have that preference of we feel comfortable about being able to move back and get somebody we really like. It's just a matter of, do you have a dance partner? And I. My inkling is I don't think they'd be able to find one. And they just have to stand in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And pick because of the buyer's market and all of the different possibilities that could play out between now and then. Now there are a list of prospects that we should be keeping an eye on at pick number 12. When we come back, let's hit some of those names we've already talked about. Tetaroa, McMillan. There are a couple other names to keep an eye on. If you've already been listening to the Draft show throughout the off season. You know some of these names, but we're going to narrow it down as much as we possibly can. We're getting close to the start of the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network and Dallas Cowboys.com. And we're on the dot com side of things. This is my favorite part, I think, about hosting all of this is the fact that not only do we get to just skip over all the breaks, but we get an opportunity to welcome in all those that are watching on the streaming side. And we're going all the way through these next 72.

[Tommy Yarish]

Now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We'll hit those names here in a little bit. But Nick, have you heard anything specifically other than the commercial that's in our headsets right now?

[Bobby Belt]

I was texting him, Kyle. Don't worry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good. All right. Have you heard anything else? Whenever it comes to what the Cowboys could be moving and shaking whenever it gets to 12.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, if Ted McMillan's not there, I think there's going to be a handful of names that will make sense for this team. Walter Nolan has been a name that's been thrown around quite a bit over the course of the last 24 hours. I find it hard to believe that if this team did the homework that they said that they did on a lot of these character guys and trying to find out if these guys like football, I'd be surprised if Walter Nolan is a tight fit for them. And if they do end up picking Walter Nolan, that's my question in the press conference. How did you feel comfortable picking Walter Nolan? A couple other guys. Tyler Booker, he was a 30 visit guy for this team. He would step in and play guard right away for this team. I think that's certainly an option in the first round. Then you look at Emeka Igbuka at Ohio State, another really talented receiver option that would really work for this team. And a lot of these edges, though, is fascinating because as noise has heated up around these offensive linemen around Walter Nolan, not a lot of these edge names have been thrown around because we've heard Mikel Williams and Shamar Stewart throughout the process. Not so much here in the last 48 hours. So you wonder if that's just us catching up or if it's them getting quieter. So.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or the same kind of thing around corner too. I feel like we haven't heard as much about Will Johnson and Jade Baron out of the cornerback spot over these last couple of of days. It still seems like all of those are options and we'll hit all These names a little bit more on the radio side, too. But, Brian, I mean, that's where the calamity could come into play. I think we all here kind of sit here and look at Tetaroa McMillan as the targeted pick.

[Brian Broaddus]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But after that, it's jumbled mess.

[Brian Broaddus]

And I want to take the other approach. And I think Nick gave you some absolutely great names there. I think. I wonder how much they really like Mimbao if he's there, you know, the tackle from Missouri. I wonder how much they really do like Graham from the defensive tackle from Michigan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Brian Broaddus]

You know, because of. All of a sudden those guys come sliding through, you know, are they ready to pick those guys? And, you know, we've seen some mock drafts and things like that where those players were passed. So I wonder if, though, if those guys are there and available, where are they on the stack? Does Dallas really like these players as much as the media scouts have? Yeah, I think that because we want to. Immediately, we're going to talk about, well, they could take this guy. They take this guy. Well, how do they really like those guys? Those were a couple of names that I thought that maybe. That maybe media scouts were a little high on or a little higher on than. Than maybe what. Than what we. Than what they are.

[Tommy Yarish]

It kind of goes back, too, to the conversation of a scenario where McMillan's off the board, and if the Cowboys want to go receiver, do they sit in there and pick Matthew golden from Texas?

[Brian Broaddus]

But.

[Tommy Yarish]

But we all brought up the question on the show is, do they have guys graded higher than golden at positions that they would still need, like corner with Will Johnson from Michigan or on the offensive line with, you know, so many guys who could be there and in, you know, Tyler Booker, Gray, Zabel, Memboo. I think a wild card here, fellas, is Jihad Campbell. I think that's one of the guy, the linebacker from Alabama. I think that's a guy that we haven't been talking about enough as a guy. Not necessarily a guy for the Cowboys, but just a guy who's going to go high in the first round. I think this is a guy that NFL teams are really high on because he can give you something off the edge, too, but he covers so well from sideline to sideline.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I think, Tommy, there's some guys, you know, talking about. We'll get back to that on the other side. We'll talk about him when we get back.

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[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I kind of feel like that if McMillan is in fact off the board, then now you're looking at guys like, you know, potentially like Booker, the guard from. From Alabama, mentioned him quite a bit. We've talked about could a Buco. Who. Who do they have higher? If they're looking at receiver McMillan being gone, who is higher on their board? Is it a booka? Is it golden? You know, that's something you have to kind of think about. What about, like I said, I mentioned Booker. What about Banks from Texas? You know, the fact that he could play. He could play tackle, could play guard, and then Will Johnson can, you know, can you get past some of the things that, you know, the things with Will Johnson, there's Some medical questions there that people are going to have to deal with and have brought up. So there are going to be some names that they're. They're going to look at, like I say, and they all kind of feel those positions that, that they're looking at for, you know, going forward to be able to fill.

[Nick Harris]

I think one more name to throw in there is Gray Zabel, offensive lineman, North Dakota State. Has versatility in the interior. Could play center or right guard. I think he'd be able to step in and play right guard day one. That's a, That's a fascinating option, too, when you bring up the offensive line discussion.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, I think the, the names to center around here, if it's not McMillan, because I think we all agree McMillan is probably their dream scenario.

[Brian Broaddus]

Absolutely.

[Bobby Belt]

And if he's not able to get there, depending on what happens ahead of you, then I think. Yeah, we've already mentioned Booker there. Nolan was brought up during the break. You know, Matthew golden, one that's been brought up pretty consistently. I still think that there's some affection in there in that room for the Cowboys, for Mikel Williams. I don't necessarily think that he is the pick, but I think he bears monitoring. As, hey, as we're looking at names here and just trying to figure out who would they potentially take there if they bailed out of that pick, who would they look at? I think Mikel Williams makes some sense. And you mentioned Jihad Campbell during the break, Tommy. Ian Rapaport reported two days ago that Jihad Campbell is told he is going to be cleared in all likelihood by the time training camp starts.

[Brian Broaddus]

See, that's the thing about him is, though, there are some things with the shoulders, the knees and stuff like that. We've been. We've done these drafts a bunch here, whether we're at Valley Ranch or here at the Star, where we've talked about these Alabama linebackers, tough as nails guys. They are banged up, though, especially those ones that went through the Nick Saban administration in that era where they. They were in a lot of collisions, they had a lot of practices, a lot of hard. The wear and tear on some of those guys was. Was pretty intense. Intense. So, yeah, it's a. If you're taking that type of guy. Yeah. How long are you going to have him because of the wear and tear? But, man, he is an outstanding football player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And remember, he was a part of the Nick Saban era. He was one of the carryover players to Calen DeBoer's time. First team all SEC in 20, 24, had 117 tackles. Lots of wear and tear on the tires there. But if you're talking about the character guy that Brian Schottenheimer continues to harp on, that's the type of guy that they've been looking for and he's been heralded as one of those guys in this draft class. I feel like there are some at home maybe listening and whether it's on the radio side or it's on the stream side saying, We're 25 minutes in to the NFL draft coverage and we have not heard running back mentioned quite yet. Is that still a possibility for Dallas? I know Ashton Ginty. It's across the league. It's a bit of a pipe dream to see whether or not he would fall to 12. But what about outside of Ashton Genti or what's the situation there specifically?

[Nick Harris]

It's a fascinating group and a Marion Hampton, we've seen his name thrown around in the first round. Trayvon Henderson, We've seen his name thrown around in the first round. Henderson's a guy I have a first round great on. I think another one in this group of players is Quinshon Judkins out of, out of Ohio State, too. You talk about early, early down type guy that would work with Javante Williams. You know, I think all these guys are going to be in the conversation for first round type guys. But if you're talking about it for this team specifically, I don't see, I don't see Schottenheimer taking a running back in the first round unless his name is Ashton Genty. That's me. And kind of reading the tea leaves over the course of the off season, going to his availability in Florida, going to his availability in Indianapolis, getting to know Brian Schottenheimer's philosophy a little bit more. Granted, he wants to run the football, but I think they see more value on day two.

[Brian Broaddus]

Late in day two guys, if they were not to get the wide receiver and then take the offensive lineman at 12, either Zabel or Booker or whoever. Yeah, whoever. Yeah, whatever offensive lineman that they're looking at right there. Does that change what you're thinking about for 44? Because we all kind of had the thought about, well, wow, it's a, it's going to be potentially a running back. I've talked to people said, hey, well, don't, don't put that in, don't put that in ink. But is it. Does it make you feel differently or do you automatically say running back, if not at 1 and not at 2, automatically becomes something at 3.

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't know if automatically. I think they've been really, really vocal about how much they love the depth in this running back class. So the way that I kind of think of it is there's kind of three tiers in the ways they can go about this. Right. Is. Do you look at the day two guys in terms of we'll go second round first.

[Brian Broaddus]

Right, right.

[Tommy Yarish]

The, you know, the guys, the Ohio State guys, I think, and Treveon, Henderson and Quinshaw, Judkins. If either one of them get to 44, I think you're looking at those two guys in that spot. If you go to the second tier, that's the third round. You guys like RJ Harvey, Damian Martinez from Miami, Bashul Tutin from Virginia Tech. And then after that, in my last. My final mock that we put out on Dallas Cowboys.com today, I had them waiting until the fifth round and I put Jarquez Hunter from Auburn there. But are there other guys there? Could they go with some local guys like Ali Gordon or Taj Brooks? There's so many different ways they can choose to attack this. I don't know if going guard at 12 necessarily changes the fact that I think this team really needs a defensive tackle in a corner more than they need a running back. And so I think those, I think either one of those two, in any kind of order is what you're looking at at 44 and 76.

[Bobby Belt]

Man, if they, if they took a defensive tackle or offensive, whatever they did at 12, if that's not a receiver, then I'm looking really hard at 44 trying to figure out if there's a receiver I can take there? That's what I'm looking at.

[Nick Harris]

Are you looking at a Jaden Higgins or a Trey Harris type? Are you hoping that a burden is slipped?

[Bobby Belt]

I mean, for me, if I'm looking at it there, because I know that's kind of, to me, I look at it and I go at 12. There's some receivers that interest me potentially in golden, you know, obviously McMillan, maybe in a trade back Igbuka. And then you've kind of got a little bit of no man's land in the second round. You got a couple maybe you like, and. But then the third kind of fills out again, I think, with receivers that you like. But at that point, I would be looking at like, all right, is there somebody here that I really like priority wise for them? Does this team like Jack Besh enough to do that? Do they, like, you know, go down the list Is burden fall? Do they like Higgins enough? Do they like Jalen Noel enough? The other guy on the other side? I think that that's going to be at least something that I would be looking really hard at. I'd be looking at like, all right, is there a receiver somewhere around the value here? Because I think I'm going to want to maximize that because I need a second weapon.

[Brian Broaddus]

Can I ask you guys this question about. Do you feel like that if there's a. If there's a position that's going to fall into the fifth and you say you got fourth round guys on your board, what position is that? Is it the running backs? Is it the corners? Is there somebody that we're not. That we'll be talking about in that fourth round? That all of a sudden, wow, we had a fourth round great on this guy and now we're picking him here in the fifth. You know, Tommy's. He's trying to tell me, hey, I'm going to wait to the fifth round to get a running back here. But my hope is that there's somebody that. Tommy's right, but there's somebody I hope that came from the third or fourth round, that being the fifth round round on my board. That would be my hope. But do you guys have a position that you kind of feel like might. There might be more guys coming from rounds above and get into that fifth round?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm looking at three spots. I'm looking at running back, interior, defensive line. The defensive tackle class, I think is very deep. And then wide receiver is my third one. I think we're going to find some decent wide receivers at that point in time.

[Brian Broaddus]

So there's going to be some fourth round grades. There's going to be some when we're in day three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Brian Broaddus]

And as you know, if Dallas doesn't get a fourth round pick pick, then we're going to be talking about, okay, what player came through all that and then now is, you know, you had fourth round grades on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, if you're asking me do I feel confident that there's going to be a wide receiver 2 on this football team in the fifth round? No. Is there going to be an RB1 on this football team in the fifth Round?

[Brian Broaddus]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So, I mean, either way, you're trying to fill specific needs with both of those position groups. That's where those first three picks, if you kind of go veer away from those guys specifically, it's going to be tough to fill those positions later on.

[Nick Harris]

I think you could find your starting nickel in the fifth round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

It's not guaranteed, but there are going to be some really good nickel options there in day three as I went through this corner class and understood where these guys might fit in. There's going to be some nickel guys. Whether it's a Robert Longer beam out of Rutgers, Jalen Smith out of usc. There's going to be some options. Marcus Harris out of Cal, Upton Stout out of Western Kentucky. Probably not from a size perspective. A guy for the Cowboys. We've talked about Quincy Riley a lot from Louisville.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've heard that name a little bit.

[Brian Broaddus]

Boy, isn't he more like a third round guy?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, he's starting to get a lot of top 100 love as as the process has gone on. We'll see as as these guys get pushed down. Regardless. Going through all these guys and I don't know how many second and third round grades grades you guys ended up with. It reached over 100 for me. There are going to be guys that we're looking at at the top of day three and we're saying how is he there? Yeah. And it's, it's because this class I think has a lot of starting caliber talent and I, I think you could to in the fifth. That could really work out for you. I think if you're comparing it to last year, worked out better for you than Kaylin Carson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm just curious. Let's play this game real quick. On your board, go to your top ranked 5th round pick 5th round grade and go to your last ranked 5th round grade.

[Nick Harris]

Which position?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Doesn't matter. Do you have them stacked one through?

[Nick Harris]

No, no. That would have taken me, I was thinking centuries.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. If you were.

[Nick Harris]

I did do them top 100 though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. But. Okay, so what was the last grade you had in the top 100?

[Nick Harris]

The last position.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Or last grade third round. It was a third round. So like you said, outside of your top 100 picks, there's a good chance that you're going to have some third or fourth round graded guys right there.

[Nick Harris]

And I had quincy Riley at 97 and I left out Noel Williams out of the top 100. And those are two guys that I think could be.

[Brian Broaddus]

I thought you did a good job of scouting.

[Nick Harris]

You know what's crazy is because I love Noel Williams and as I was going through these 80s and 90s, I was like, man, it's, it doesn't feel right. Me putting this guy right here. Me putting this guy right here. Like, like a Riley Mills is a guy I've liked. Braden Swinson these are guys in the 80s and it's like, man, this is a deep class. Once you get into day two.

[Brian Broaddus]

What Nick is telling me right now is Dallas needs to get a fourth round pick or another third or another. If you could get inside, if you could get inside. And yeah, you get another third round pick like they did last year in the Detroit trade, but to find a way to get another, if you could get a fourth round pick, you know, you might be able to do some damage. Again, you're looking at guys. Oh, heck, we had a couple of guys here. We've drafted two guys that had third round grades, especially this one in the fourth round. So maybe, maybe trading back if you can and getting what you need out of that might be the best way to go.

[Bobby Belt]

I think that running back is one that in theory should stretch a little into day three where you've got guys from with day two grades who are there on day three. Here's the problem. The last time that running back did that and stretched like that, we didn't acknowledge the stretch was last year.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

And what happened last year was then there was a feverish run right in the fourth round on all those guys who were left and they all got snatched up before you picked again in the fifth round. They're in a very similar situation right now where if they're standing there and they go, let's wait a little bit. These are stretching that fourth round may snatch them all up and then they're stuck in the fifth one of those guys.

[Brian Broaddus]

That's why I think that they have to take the running back back at the third in the third round. Because if the run, if the run happens, you got your guy. But you could withstand a run at corner, I think more than you probably could at running back. Is that fair to say?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, because you can't leave this draft without a cornerback.

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, boy, that would, that would not. That would be tough.

[Vox Lombardi]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

Okay, but that's what you're asking.

[Vox Lombardi]

No, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, but I'm saying. Yeah, the way you have it set up on your roster. Yeah, I'm talking pure numbers. I'm not talking like play and X's and O's at this point, saying pure numbers. You can get away with not having a corner out of the 10 picks in this draft. And, and by not having a corner, I'm talking about a premium player that you're probably going to rotate in. Yeah, you can get away with that running back. I don't know if you can get away with leaving without a guy. Because right now you've got Javante Williams, Miles Sanders and Deuce.

[Brian Broaddus]

You've upgraded numbers, you've upgraded the coaches is what you've done here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Brian Broaddus]

You've upgraded the line coach and then the offensive coordinator. When it comes to trying to run the football, I think. I don't know if you can withstand the run on running backs. I don't. I think you can withstand the run on. On a corner on cornerbacks. That's what I'm asking.

[Bobby Belt]

I'm curious if Dallas is. Let's assume they're targeting. They target running back at either 44. They're in the third round pick. Not necessarily who you would have there. Who do you think in their head? They're thinking 44. If we're going to pick running back, we'd like that guy to be there third round. We want that guy to be there.

[Nick Harris]

I think 44 would probably be Henderson or Judkins. One of the Ohio State guys. 76 Bashol Tootin. Tooton is just. It's a name that this building really does like.

[Bobby Belt]

That was. Those were the two that are the two scenarios because I agree. I think it's the Ohio State guys in the second round and it's Tooten in the third.

[Nick Harris]

I'll throw Damian Martinez in in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Third round as well. Yeah, in the third.

[Nick Harris]

Specifically 76. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm trying to find another name I would disagree with. I mean, I don't think in the third round. I think that's really kind of what it boils down to is who those. If those guys are available one way or the other, then try and take those guys and run with it.

[Brian Broaddus]

Is 44 too early for Harvey?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay. So third round is good for him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But is he going to make it for 76?

[Brian Broaddus]

That's what I'm asking. I've got to miss my.

[Nick Harris]

I think he could.

[Brian Broaddus]

64Th best player on the board.

[Bobby Belt]

I didn't. I've talked to a lot of. I talked to people on Is it the age? Well, I talked to people on teams outside of Dallas and I'll always ask them about various players and stuff like that. The feedback on Harvey I got almost universally was third round. I. I didn't hear. I didn't get anybody who said second age.

[Nick Harris]

Also torn ACL history. That's that. I think that could be the reason he's there at 76 because he's torn.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In ACL 20, 21.

[Vox Lombardi]

Okay. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

I mean came back and was really productive. Back to back seasons. Don't get me wrong, and he's not a medical red flag guy, but it's, it's just something to note. But you pair that with the age at 24.2 years old, he's going to, he's going to be an older back. He's not getting a second contract.

[Brian Broaddus]

Can I interest anybody in Caleb Johnson at 44?

[Tommy Yarish]

I would love that. Yeah, I would love that. He's my RB2.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay, thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, that's exactly what Tommy, you're back in good grace.

[Brian Broaddus]

All right, here we go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got it going. All right, when we come back, let's get give our predictions. What do we feel like is going to happen in the first 11 picks? Yeah, I know it's not going to be great. Top 11 picks of the NFL draft. And then what could the Dallas Cowboys do specifically at pick number 12? You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network and Dallas Cowboys.com Lowe's nose Sundays are for football, so tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, Select Bounty and Swiffer clean products and more. Then once your to do list is.

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[Tommy Yarish]

Oh, I mean, what can he do? 6, 1, 2, 24, super hard to bring down. You can't tackle this guy with arm tackles. He's got good, not great speed. I think he finds his lanes well, hits him hard when the gaps open up up front, great in pass protection. Turns his feet after contact to pick up yards if the blocking up front isn't great. He's not the best at making guys miss in the backfield per se, but when he gets one on one in space instead of trying to make a move or something to get past you, that's. That's not really his game. He's just going to run through your face. Dallas needs guys that'll run through people's faces. I love Caleb Johnson as a three down back for the Cowboys. And you know, you could say, okay, you've already got two guys that can kind of do that on your roster. But Johnson's a guy who can carry the workload. He comes from a great scheme at Iowa that has a great emphasis on, on running the football. And that's what Brian Schottenheimer wants to do. I think it'd be a great.

[Brian Broaddus]

I was watching the Wisconsin game and he wore their ass out. Yeah, I mean, they didn't want to tackle him anymore. At 6 1, 224 pounds, this guy's got a burst and I mean, he's got a. The burst, the surge. I mean, he's got this kind of this steady gait to his game. When you watch him run, I think you have to gang tackle this guy to get him on the ground. I think he sets up blocks well. His offensive line does a really good job of coming off the ball and he kind of gets in behind them, showing some patience and then he's able to make it happen. Once he gets into that second level, I don't think he's going to run away from a lot of people. But the way that he could kind of wear you down, I think yards per carry with this guy was going to be very, very good with the way he does. I think that's really important. It's not all about 30 yard runs here in the NFL now. It's about kind of getting those four, five, six, seven yard runs consistently in order to kind of keep the chains moving. And this guy can finish down on the goal line when he gets that opportunity.

[Tommy Yarish]

I'll say this too. He and Amari and Hampton at the combine together were Next to each other at these little stands in the media.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Johnson's different.

[Tommy Yarish]

Stands out from. From a physical standpoint. I mean, he is massive.

[Nick Harris]

6, 1 2, 24.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. I kind of compared him to. And I don't know, this may be a terrible comparison to everybody, but, like Trey Benson from Florida State.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Brian Broaddus]

If you remember how when Trey Benson came out and kind of his. His running style, he's with the Arizona Cardinals, but I kind of of thought about that running style with him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sorry to interrupt the running back conversation, but Jay Glazer, as of a minute ago, just. Just tweeted out that it looks like a Jaguars and Browns trade could go down. Talks are happening. Nothing done till it's done.

[Brian Broaddus]

Obviously, that's for Hunter, right?

[Bobby Belt]

That's Travis. That's for Hunter, and that's Cleveland likely going offensive line if they go back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so what do you think of. Is that a Will Campbell pick or probably just.

[Bobby Belt]

I mean, depends on what the Patriots do it for, but I would. I think Campbell memboo, something like that.

[Nick Harris]

I think Patriots flew to Louisiana yesterday to meet with Will Campbell. I. I have a feeling that's going to be a Sharpie pick for me going. That's a Sharpie pick for me going to the first round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is Will Campbell.

[Nick Harris]

Is Will Campbell at 4? Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Where do you think if he.

[Brian Broaddus]

Would you be surprised if it was Mimbu?

[Nick Harris]

Yes, I would.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, what about for the Browns at 5 if they do end up trading backwards? The Browns from 2 to 5?

[Brian Broaddus]

No, I think. Yeah, I think I got the Browns. I think. I think everybody's talking about the offensive line, right? Yeah, we're all. Yeah, I threw out Membu because I kind of was hearing some whispers that if they went back, that was the guy they were looking at. But say there's. There's offensive linemen at that time to be had for sure.

[Bobby Belt]

I think Membu would make sense if they go back and Campbell gets snatched up. Just kind of depending on what's left for Cleveland there. But, I mean, that would look. If Jacksonville goes up, I think that helps the case to get Tet. McMillan to 12. Because if Jacksonville goes up, they're going up for Hunter, and then that removes somebody who may try to snatch up McMillan from. You still have to walk the minefield of. Of, you know, New Orleans. Nobody seems totally sure of what Carolina is going to do. San Francisco could always bail out ahead of you if somebody really likes McMillan. So you still have to walk those. But Jaguars would at least knock off one team that I think really likes Ted McMillan.

[Tommy Yarish]

I'm going to keep saying it on the table for Kelvin Banks. I think he's the best tackle in this draft. So I think if Cleveland moves back, I'm not saying that he's going to be the pick there, but Membu is a guy you could look there. But Banks, too. I mean, this guy can play tackle in the NFL, I think. And I think he's the best one. And that's not to say that he and Will Campbell and Membu are all very far apart. I mean, those are very similarly graded players. But I think he's the best tackle in this draft, and I think that whichever team gets him is going to get a steal here.

[Nick Harris]

This might be a little too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, now you can go if this.

[Nick Harris]

Is a little too unfair. Where would you have him if he was a guard?

[Tommy Yarish]

In terms of grade?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Number, like ranking?

[Tommy Yarish]

I would put him at. We waiting.

[Vox Lombardi]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Back here on.

[Bobby Belt]

Come on, rook.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dallas Cowboys.

[Brian Broaddus]

Come on, rook.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm getting kicked off in Dallas cowboys.com Tommy's learning. It's okay.

[Nick Harris]

I definitely did set him up for.

[Tommy Yarish]

What are you doing right into the break, man?

[Bobby Belt]

It's okay.

[Nick Harris]

It's my sophomore slump.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It does give us an opportunity to say that there is more content. If you're listening on the radio side of things, you can stream us through the commercial breaks. We don't take actual commercial breaks. We're going to continue content all the way through. All 257 picks this weekend. Wall to Wal coverage, and we certainly mean it. We love our radio listeners. But you can also hear us on Dallas Cowboys.com and on the Odyssey app as well. Under 105. 3 the Fan so plenty more to come throughout the weekend alongside Nick Harris, Brian Broaddus, Tommy Yarish, and our guy, Bobby Belt. NFL Insider. Special thanks to the crew in the back. By the way, Brian, we've got Chris Beam, we've got Matthew Kent, we've got a whole crew that's working all the way through the night to get you on the air and get us on the air throughout. Now, right before we went to break, about 30 seconds before we went to break, Jay Glazer put out a tweet that said jaguars and Browns trade looks like it could go down. Talks are happening. Nothing done till it's done. Obviously, that's the quote from Jay Glazer. So nothing is set in stone at the moment. However, talks are happening between the Jags, who are currently in in possession of the fifth overall pick, and the Cleveland Browns, who are currently in possession of the second overall pick. What kind of shock waves would this send through the first 11 picks leading up to the Cowboys at 12? Bobby?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, this would change some things up significantly because I think a lot of the time when we look at a lot of these mock drafts throughout the course of the last few weeks, there felt like a few things that people had settled on. For a long time, people had settled on Genty's going six to the Raiders. It felt like a lot of people. Every single mock draft you've seen, I feel like over the last two months has said number seven, Armand member to the jets, number eight, Panthers, take Jalen Walker. I feel like that's been the standard. If you get them jumping up to get Hunter at 2, Jacksonville, then I think Cleveland going back at 5 is going to take an offensive lineman, and then at that point, that's Membu, and that changes a lot of things behind it. Four minutes after we got on the air here, and I just see this, but four minutes after we got on the air here, Adam Schefter had tweeted that he had reached out and said, you know, hey, hey, what should we expect in the top 10? And he said he was told, expect explosive. Wow.

[Nick Harris]

So Ted McMillan, I mean, makes it to 12, Matthew golden, you know.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In the second round, like, I don't.

[Bobby Belt]

Know, Tyler Shuck, maybe. Let's get crazy.

[Brian Broaddus]

Do you guys worry. Do you guys worry about, you know, if you're a Dallas Cowboy fan here, do you worry about that? If, in fact, you do survive all the way to San Francisco with McMillan and then you get traded in front of. Because everybody seems to have McMillan going to the Cowboys, does that you prepare for the heartbreak there.

[Nick Harris]

Would you trade up one spot just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To make sure that doesn't happen?

[Bobby Belt]

San Francisco's done that before. San Francisco held Chicago hostage years ago with the trubisky pick. They made him jump two to three and got like an extra first out of it. I don't think you get that. But, yeah, you might end up paying a tax if you have to do that. If you just have to go one spot.

[Brian Broaddus]

See, I just. I just wonder if there's so much focus on McMillan with. And are the Cowboys comfortable if they lose McMillan? Are they comfortable standing there and make a pick?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, that seems like where the smoke screen has been aimed, not just today and over the last couple of weeks, but really through the entire draft process. You hear about Matthew golden, you hear about all these different elements of. Of edge rushers that they like an offensive lineman that they like. Could it be a smokescreen to try and throw people off of that scent of Teoa McMillan and the Sharpie pick? As Nick put it a minute ago. So the Sharpie pick for Dallas at 12?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, it could be. That's certainly possible. We've seen Ted McMillan tied to the Cowboys so much, and other teams see that. Other teams have representatives in their scouting department that see what other teams are doing, and they understand where some of the best buzz and some of the best reports come from. Throwing out the potential here. What if it's a next year. Next year's three to move up one spot. San Francisco hold you hostage. Say, hey, we got your man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Somebody else may want them.

[Nick Harris]

He else may want your man. He's hot.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, I do. I probably do it. Yeah. Because, I mean, McMillan's third on my board, so, like, that's a top three player to me. I'm not thinking there's going to be anybody else that we're really talking about there at 12 if he gets snatched up. But I also understand the idea if they're there at 12 and then McMillan is off the board and it's kind of out of their control. I also understand the idea of. Of, let's move back. Let's try and find anything we can. And look, it may be, again, when we talk about 85 cents on the dollar or something like that, you know, Dallas moved back from. What was it, 16, 17 back to 31. When they got Frederick years ago, Brian, it was 14, 15 drops.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, it was. It was significant. It. The. The. They should have got a two out of it. Ended up getting a three out of it.

[Bobby Belt]

And so it wasn't a great return on the trade chart in that sense. You may not. You may.

[Brian Broaddus]

But they bail because they had to bail. They felt like they needed to bail.

[Bobby Belt]

And that's. And that's. That's where I'm at with this, where I'm saying that if they just. Even if it's not great value to me, anything in return is going to be likely good value, because I imagine they have so many guys after McMillan squashed together. Yeah. That if you drop to 22 and you get a fourth out of it and nothing else. That if you've got 10 guys that, man, these are all kind of graded together, then it'll work itself out and you get extra capital.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I agree with you. I think just picking up a pick between round two and round four, if McMillan's not on the board, that should be priority number one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And you're dressed in your, your red and blue for Arizona, right? That's what you've got going.

[Nick Harris]

Arizona. Arizona's got blue.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Arizona Wildcats. No, we're talking about McMillan, played for the Arizona Wildcats.

[Bobby Belt]

I will say also, by the way.

[Nick Harris]

Time for me to take a break.

[Bobby Belt]

I don't think you have to worry.

[Nick Harris]

We haven't started yet.

[Bobby Belt]

I don't think you have to worry about projecting like Dallas projecting a pick. With McMillan, I think the entire NFL looks around and goes, goes, McMillan's the like top receiver who's likely to get into that range. They're going to need a second weapon. Stevens talked about that. Like, I think it's just two plus two equals four to just about everybody around the league. And I don't think you need to necessarily project that. We don't have to project, you know, Travis Hunter specifically to somebody. When Cam Ward's off the board, a lot of people are going to go, well, Travis Hunter's the best player left, so really, whoever's sitting there too, is probably going to take him. And so I think it's, it's similar with Dallas where they could have been as secretive about liking Tet as much as they could. And I think most everybody around the league still would have said, yeah, but Tet makes sense to you guys.

[Tommy Yarish]

It almost feels like he was tailor made for what the Cowboys needed. That second wide receiver spot, big body, downfield, 50, 50 ball threat. That's exactly what they need to go alongside CD Lamb. So it almost feels tailor made in terms of what the Cowboys are looking for.

[Bobby Belt]

Maybe Dallas does feel differently about it though, if that is a smokescreen. If you want to go with the smokescreen theory, maybe they do feel differently about it and that they go. Is a 50, 50 guy truly what Dak Prescott needs at this stage of his career? Or is somebody like Igbuka, who is a clean route runner who can get you quick, easy separation. Is that more the guy they need? So just plain devil's advocate, if you're going to say Tets the smokescreen, that would maybe be some of the thought processes. Those two receivers might fit more of Dax play style than what McMillan.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think you'll know a lot if all of a sudden that McMillan is gone and then Dallas bales that you'll know a lot right then because that, that means they're not comfortable right there potentially taking the guys that we talked about, the, the bookers and the banks and people like that. They're just not comfortable doing it. So, you know, if all of a sudden you see it, it's. And then, you know, he's gone, and then you get down to Dallas, and then they're bailing. They. They just. They would rather take Booker or Banks or one of those guys probably a little bit further down the board if they can. If they can get that. That board maybe opens up a little bit more for them when, you know, they're willing to say, listen, we lost our guy. We're willing to just take what we need to get. Just to get down the board, pick up an extra three, pick up another four, whatever they have to do. So, you know, as long as McMillan stays on that board, I think Dallas hangs in there. But the minute that he goes, man, now, I know Jerry doesn't want to be on the phone. Yeah, I would probably walk out of the room with my cell phone and start calling people. I got Sean Payton's number in my phone, and I can start. Jerry, I just start calling like, sean, please call us. Please call us right now. No, but. Yeah, we'll. We'll know. As long as McMillan's there, I think they hang in there. But the minute that goes, you might see some. You might see somebody trying to get out of that.

[Bobby Belt]

Is there a guy for you guys that we're just not mentioning? Because you're like, I think he's one of the best players in the draft. I just don't think there's a chance Dallas takes him. Because, I mean, I think.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think. I think. I think Graham, the defensive tackle for Michigan, I know. I know where I have him on my board. And I wonder if the Cowboys feel the same way as media scouts. He was always at Jacksonville at 5.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

And now you've seen mock drafts where, you know, where these. The media scouts are now talking to teams, and teams are saying, I don't know. I think you got Graham a little high there. I think he got him a little high. I think he got Mimboo a little high there. Then all of a sudden, now you're seeing. It's the same thing. It's happening. And maybe it's the medical stuff with, you know, with Williams, the corner we saw him, and now he's out of some. He's out of some mock drafts in the first round. So I think that maybe that Graham. There's some people, a lot of people like him, but I don't know if necessarily that the picks in the top 10 were something that the league looked at and said, oh, yeah, that's absolutely right. Right.

[Nick Harris]

I'm glad you posed this question, because one name that I'm going to be looking at to potentially fall to 12 and we would have to have a discussion about is Jalen Walker out of Georgia.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

It's been pretty much penciled in throughout the process that he's going to go to Carolina.

[Brian Broaddus]

Right.

[Nick Harris]

But if Carolina goes in a different direction, I don't see where. I don't see where he could potentially slide in. Just kind of given what those next three teams are working with, they could a team trade up and grab a Jalen Walker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Nick Harris]

But that's a name I brought up on Tuesday as a. Hey, this guy might slip. Haven't talked about him enough that I think that's still an option. He's the number nine player on my board, first round grade. That's certainly one that would be fascinating.

[Bobby Belt]

I. I don't think they'd take him. But the guy that I really like.

[Nick Harris]

Oh, okay.

[Bobby Belt]

No, no. The guy that I really is Malachi Starks. And I know we talked about him this morning, and I've tried to avoid talking about him every single time that we get on here because I'm terrified. I have teased Taber syndrome, where I look at a guy and go like, man, that tape was really good. But that athletic testing does not add up at all. But I really, really like Malachi Starks. I mean, that's somebody who's in the top 10 for me. Me and somebody who I felt like we talked about for a long time. You know, up until around February, it felt like people were talking about Malachi Starks as kind of being a top 10 potential player. I just. I don't think he's going to. I don't think Dallas would take him. So he's going to be. He's likely to be high on my board. He's probably the highest one left on my board. If McMillan goes, when Dallas picks, it's just. I don't even bring him up because I don't think they take him.

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, the thing about it, too, is in the whispers are that Carolina will sell their pick for pennies on the dollar. The Carolina is like, we'll give somebody a discount if you want to come on up here, you know, and maybe that's inviting to some teams right there. Maybe they target Carolina. They're the one team that's actually put out there in the world that, hey, we're willing to take less for our pick if you want to come up here and take that pick from us.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I think now the Browns are on that list specifically just because of what could happen with Jacksonville out of that fifth overall spot. All right, we've got about a minute and a half before we take our final break. Leading into the NFL draft, what is your prediction off the top? What are the cowboys doing at 12?

[Nick Harris]

At 12? Trading back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Brian.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think they're going to take Booker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Brian Broaddus]

Tyler Booker.

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't think they're going to be able to find a trade partner. I think they stay and take Matthew Golden.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Matthew Golden. What do you think, Bobby?

[Bobby Belt]

You guys are the most negative people I've ever met. They're taking Ted McMillan.

[Brian Broaddus]

I'm right there with you, Bobby.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm right there with you. I put it in my final mark, too. I think we're going to stay optimistic.

[Nick Harris]

We have to make a deal on air. Kyle Yeomans, we were talking about it outside the side in the hallway here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What do you want to make a.

[Nick Harris]

Deal with if Ted McMillan falls to 12? You did a bet for when CD Lamb fell.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I did.

[Nick Harris]

Whenever he fell to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I did. I rented my starring back.

[Nick Harris]

We have these gold Miller Light cans right here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, they're beautiful.

[Nick Harris]

And Kyle Yeomans is going to shotgun one.

[Vox Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Let's go.

[Nick Harris]

If Ted McMillan gets picked to the Cowboys, you know what?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm for it. Okay. Shotgun an entire. What is that a tall boy?

[Nick Harris]

I guess this is a tall gal.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a beautiful 50th anniversary.

[Bobby Belt]

Call that a Cameron Brink.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know what? On air at the end of tonight's show, I will. I will do just that.

[Nick Harris]

Beautiful gal.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I will make that happen. But Ted's got a fall to 12, and Tmax got to be the pick at 12.

[Bobby Belt]

Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There's the. There's the deal. Let's shoot.

[Brian Broaddus]

I might shotgun with you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right. You want to shoot, Jake?

[Brian Broaddus]

Sure. I'm in with you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, let's do it.

[Brian Broaddus]

This is fun.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, when we come back, it's the official start of the 2025 NFL Draft. We'll hear from Roger Deal Goodell. And get this thing underway. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys Radio network and Dallas Cowboys dot com. Roger who dot com. I can't wait to get in trouble for that. All right, Tommy, here's how this works. When the music comes on, you can't talk anymore.

[Tommy Yarish]

Okay? Got it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But we'll continue our thoughts at some point early on.

[Tommy Yarish]

Thank you for hanging in with me through this process.

[Bobby Belt]

Hey, will you just do me a favor? Because I know we're about to change over.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

What's up? And we're about to step out. Will we come back? Will you just tell people like Tommy got in trouble for the four matics and they just had to. They told him he needed to just. He had to go have a talk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are you not on this next hour?

[Bobby Belt]

I'm not, no. Me and Tommy are both out. Just be like. Yeah, they both got talked to Bobby, the Cameron Brink joke. And Tommy. Tommy for messing up the formatics. They had to go talk to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would love for that to happen. That'll be our secret on this, the stream side. I can't.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I'm.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm going to be the one that actually gets in trouble. Me and Brian, we're going to be the ones that we've been around and done this six years for me, the, the last couple years gambling on air. Yeah. Now we're going to make a bet and shotgun a beer. Can't wait. This is going to be awesome. All right, let's go ahead and make the switch, Tommy. We'll see you guys in a little bit. Bobby offer suspension, you guys. Absolutely. Tommy's got his one hour suspension that he's got to fulfill.

[Brian Broaddus]

He's in the penalty box.

[Tommy Yarish]

Mason Marchman, five minute major.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hey, Drew Blood. Go stars. Oh, Four minute. Oh, that was tough. They. They got through it though.

[Brian Broaddus]

They did get through it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Made it happen for like what, a.

[Tommy Yarish]

Minute in the series?

[Brian Broaddus]

They've.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they've led for like a minute and two seconds in the series and they're up two games to one at this point. So for those that are listening on the. The streaming side, this is again our little secret because we are going to switch every hour because we have so many reputable and incredible voices on the draft show. We want to get everybody involved as we can go along. What was that?

[Nick Harris]

Don't worry about it. Sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. We are on the air, too.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. I'm gonna go back and listen.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So that way I just have no, me.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. We were just talking about something. We're just thinking about something.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thinking about it. Overall, we've got Zach Wolchuk back on the show. Vox Lombardi looking dapper as ever. Got that nice ice on the watch too, man. A little something something vouch.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Looks fantastic.

[Vox Lombardi]

Where's the camera? Hey, Brian, here's your.

[Brian Broaddus]

Oh, thanks.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

Thank you, my mouse. Thank you very much. Appreciate you, brother. Yeah. Oh, wait, what are you talking about here?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Can I get a pluggy Plug.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, of course.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Thanks, my dude.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Oh, it's good to be back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is so good to be back. Zach, this your third year with the draft show, correct?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yes, sir, it is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Third year with the draft show. Void. First year. You've been incredible. It's unfortunate we don't have the YouTube chat up because the YouTube chat loves themselves some vox Lombardi.

[Vox Lombardi]

Hey, man. Shouts out to everybody that's gonna tune in the. The handful of minutes we are live. I've been. I've been drafting for eight years, but this is my first time doing something like this. I just wanted to come out and say, man, I appreciate y'. All. This is something I've been wanting to do my whole life, since I was working at Pizza Hut, since I was. Since I was a hospital, man. I was always watching this and the draft 101 and all that. So I just appreciate y' all for having me. I'm just grateful to be around you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, and we're grateful to have you. You've been incredible throughout the entire draft show. We just got. We just got shut down by Derek Eagle already.

[Vox Lombardi]

What do you say?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Said we're not allowed to shotgun beers on air, which is fair.

[Nick Harris]

So we'll post it on Twitter later.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We'll put it on Social. That's. That's what we'll do. Yeah, we'll make sure and let the fish.

[Vox Lombardi]

Well, it's water in those cans. That's just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, water.

[Brian Broaddus]

Some really good water.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep, that's very good. That's the base of everything, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Vox Lombardi]

Water, water, wheat, and time. That ain't nothing but time in there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nothing but time.

[Vox Lombardi]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right. So we'll hear from Roger Goodell off the top here of the NFL Draft. Green Bay, Wisconsin, playing host for the first time ever. It's a massive crowd out there as well, outside Lambeau Field. I mean, just an incredible sound setting. A little bit chilly out there, too, as it should be.

[Brian Broaddus]

We should start snowing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It would be awesome.

[Brian Broaddus]

That would be cool. Like, instead of giving the kids, like, starter hats and give them those big old starter parkas, you know, your team, you're standing up there with the. Bill Parcell's long park on.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You know, Ashton Genti seemed pumped to be at Lambeau. Yeah, he was like, there's nothing to do here.

[Nick Harris]

He's such a football guy.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Really good stadium. But otherwise, he went to school in Boise.

[Nick Harris]

That's, like the closest big city to Boise.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Maybe spent too much time there, then. Is it really?

[Nick Harris]

No, it's no. Seattle.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Don't ask me, dude. I can't read a map.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it Seattle?

[Brian Broaddus]

I'm not a geother.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Lake City.

[Nick Harris]

It would be Seattle.

[Brian Broaddus]

Seattle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Closer to Idaho.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Boise, Idaho.

[Brian Broaddus]

One of the three states I've never been to.

[Nick Harris]

Three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Seattle.

[Brian Broaddus]

No, Idaho, Idaho, Montana and Alaska. The only three. The only three.

[Zach Wolchuk]

So they weren't scouting out Boise State big when you were here?

[Brian Broaddus]

I was not doing that. I was not doing that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not going to see kellen Moore and DeMarcus Lawrence Leighton Vanderash.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I am going to be pushing for the Egyptian Cowboy tomorrow, though. That would be a fun like tomorrow tomorrow or day three on Saturday. I'm on Friday mindset already. This has been a whirlwind.

[Nick Harris]

It has been. But it does feel like Friday already.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And it's about to be more of that as we go.

[Vox Lombardi]

So, fellas, you know, I was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Don't pull a Tommy. They're. They're about to give us a sounder. Don't talk over the sounder.

[Vox Lombardi]

What do I do when the sound comes on?

[Kyle Yeomans]

We just don't stop talking. It's about that time. It's the start of the 2025 NFL Draft. On the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network and Dallas Cowboys.com we've got a couple individuals making their way into the podcast studio at the Star in Frisco. Just a matter of steps away from the war room where everything will happen tonight. Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Brian Schottenheimer, Will McClay. Getting ready to draft the newest Dallas Cowboys over the next 72 hours. We have Nick Harris of the Fort Worth Star Telegram, Brian Broadus of 1053 the Fan. Welcoming to the first time this weekend to the set, Mr. Zach Wolchuk of 10:5:3, the fan and Vox Lombardi. First time ever on draft weekend. We get Vach on the show. I'm Kyle Yeomans. All right, Zach, we haven't heard from you quite yet.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you thinking? Feeling wise going into the first hour of draft picks?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, I think this is. It's going to be Tedro McMillan. And I do think Tedro McMillan makes it. I really, really do. I think the only positive guy coming on now. Well, it's just realistic guy. It's the guy that knows Brian. It's the guy that knows. But I really think that as long as you don't get Chicago moving up and now it looks like Jacksonville might have something worked out with Cleveland, and if that happens, then I think you're going to be okay here. Unless the Browns Decide to really go ahead and flip the bird too. And they take Ted Roe McMillan. The Browns could be a very big wild card here. I have no idea what they would plan to do if they move back. So maybe they take Ted and this thing is spoiled, but I don't think that they will. The only concern I had was Jacksonville moving back to 10 and Chicago moving up and taking Gentee. And then Jacksonville would take Ted Roa McMillan at 10. If that does not happen, I think he makes it to 12 and he will be a Dallas Cowboy. We can shotgun brewskis and we'll all be very, very happy. And so will Dak Prescott.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We just can't do it on air. We have been given that.

[Vox Lombardi]

Okay.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Sorry about that. Derek Eagleton, Peyton Russell back in studio. Dump that. That is not what we are going to be doing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're gonna have a nice cheers. It's gonna be very classy in studio.

[Vox Lombardi]

I don't work here. Give me one of them beers.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Vach is like, I don't care.

[Vox Lombardi]

What do you mean, vach?

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you feeling going into this before we hear from Roger Goodell?

[Vox Lombardi]

You know, we've been. We've been thinking about Tet for a long time. We just been talking about it. Ted McMillan. Ted McMillan. But as I look at my board, he's the fifth best player on my board. So I'm just saying, like, hey, why would he be there at 12? But hey, ladies and gentlemen, listen, Right now, teams suck at drafting. So we're gonna need a lot of help. We're gonna need a lot of help. And, you know, as I reach in my pocket here, I have a fancy fountain pen that I'm really gonna be writing with. But I got a pen that I'm ready to throw just in case some of these players. Just in case some of these players that, you know, you know, y' all know the rules of the fake pin throw. But yeah, there's a pin. Just in case, I'm ready to fake throw it there. We're definitely gonna need some help. Now, as far as the Cowboys pick, that I think will actually happen. Listen, I just told you that Tet is Tetaroa. He doesn't like going by Tet.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Tet a Roa.

[Vox Lombardi]

He said, hey, where's that name come from? It comes from Tetaroa. That's where Ted comes from. But anyway, he's fifth on my board. I would hope that the Cowboys go for a player that's also high on my board. Tyler Booker is high on my board. He is. He Is he is eighth. You know, Matthew golden is seventh. I would hope that the, the new rumors coming out there of this player that I would assume that would go in day two, you know, we'll see. We'll see. I would just hope that the Cowboys wouldn't pass up on some of those players to get to some of the other players, that's all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then there are a couple names like that that we're going to continue to hit over this next hour. Leading into the Dallas Cowboys selection at pick number 12, it looks like Roger Goodell is working his way on the stage, but he's not walking on the stage. He's riding the bicycles that they use in Green Bay during training.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Is a Packers fan.

[Vox Lombardi]

Can we stop wasting time? Can we stop wasting time at these drafts, man?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Listen, here it is.

[Vox Lombardi]

I. Can we just go to the podium? Can we read the name and can we get up out of here? I don't want to hear about these. Hey, I graduated with a 5.0 GPA and I'm going to be reading stuff.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, you're going to hear it all weekend and we're going to hear Roger Goodell open a up in the 2025 NFL Draft.

[Vox Lombardi]

Oh, boy. I know.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Brian Broaddus]

Welcome to the 2025 NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

[Kyle Yeomans]

People said that Green Bay was too small for this with a population of 150,000.

[Brian Broaddus]

Is he cold?

[Vox Lombardi]

He having a good time? He been drinking these mills.

[Brian Broaddus]

We have over 125,000 people here and still counting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Obviously Green Bay may be small, but it's mighty.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Looks like Corsicana, but it's mighty.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cana is better here tonight and hope you have a great few days.

[Vox Lombardi]

Roger feel good he gonna get canceled for his. Over.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The next next three days, we will welcome in the next generation of stars into the NFL and bring hope to every NFL team. And we may have a few surprises for you tonight. But first, let's hear from some of your Packer greats.

[Brian Broaddus]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Zach Wolchuk]

Well, you can't get a well groomed.

[Tommy Yarish]

Lawn delivered, but you can't get chicken.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Parmesan delivered A day at the lake. That's a. No. A Philly cheesesteak. That's a yellow.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

An afternoon stroll. Sorry, no. A burrito bowl.

[Brian Broaddus]

Happily, yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. A box of fine wines. Yes. That's happening. Delivery on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Nope.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, then how about some French fries? Yep. A little escape.

[Vox Lombardi]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A delicious bowl of grapes. Yes. Yes, that.

[Zach Wolchuk]

How about a freshly cut line on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Zach Wolchuk]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

See app for details. Oh, looks like we're going to talk while they're hearing from Pac. We're good on packers greats.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Do we care about packers greats?

[Vox Lombardi]

I care nothing about what Lil Wayne or Ja Rule has to say. So let's just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What about Clay Matthews? Are you a big Clay Matthews guy?

[Vox Lombardi]

I mean, when he was playing football, sure. But what does he have to do with what's going on today? Let's just go ahead and get to it. I kind of wish that, you know, like, Tennessee would have been on the clock like last month. And if they say, hey, we're just going to pick Cam Ward, we'll just go to pick number two like last month.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We're on pick two.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah.

[Vox Lombardi]

Let's just get this thing going. Cam Ward is going to be one. We should be able to start at pick number two at least, you know, so if there's any trades that are going to be going on with Cleveland or maybe Jacksonville is going to be involved, let's go ahead and get that going so that we can, you know, so that we can get to 12th overall. What really matters.

[Nick Harris]

The packers are not in. The city of Green Bay is not letting anyone else into the area today. They have reached maximum capacity.

[Bobby Belt]

Wow.

[Nick Harris]

It is a full house.

[Brian Broaddus]

Shout out.

[Vox Lombardi]

Green Bay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That's awesome.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do it big there.

[Nick Harris]

All 5,000 of them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Corsicana is still better.

[Brian Broaddus]

What's the chance, guys? Then, as when the commission wrote this, we get. Ward is going to be picked, but that the second pick is owned by somebody else?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, I think so.

[Brian Broaddus]

By Jackson. What. What are the chances that you think that. Is he going to go up to the podium and say, you know, we have a trade. Is that. Do you think, or do you think that. That Cleveland is going to stand in there and make a pick?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I think I'm going 98% that they're trading the pick I think. I think Jacksonville and Cleveland have parameters on a deal. Yeah, I think that this is happening. I mean, I'm seeing enough from people that I trust here that they have a deal worked out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are you ready?

[Brian Broaddus]

Here we go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get us started right.

[Brian Broaddus]

2025 NFL Draft is now officially open. All right, the Tennessee Titans are on the clock.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And off we go. The 2025 NFL Draft. We have 257 picks to make. We'll be with you all the way through. With everybody here in studio, back in the fan studios on the Dallas Cowboys radio network as well. Cannot wait for all of this to ensue.

[Vox Lombardi]

Our.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, like you said, Cam Ward officially is the prediction across the board for Tennessee at pick number one. Why does he fit that bill, Brian Broadus? Why is he the number one overall player in this draft?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I think that when, you know, and Tennessee has struggled with this, they have done, you know, they've tried to find quarterbacks. It just hasn't worked out for them, you know, over the years, I mean, they've had some success, just not enough success. And, you know, when you go back to, you know, they have a history with. When you go back with like the Steve McNairs and stuff like that. And it's kind of been unfortunate for them that, that they've thrown some resources at some of these quarterbacks and it just hasn't worked out. But the thing with Cam Ward, he is going to bring a lot of excitement. His ability to move in the pocket, the ability to throw off platform. He's one of those guys that you can kind of build the offense around. His ability to run, his ability to throw the ball when he, he. He's got that ability with some touch. He can hit guys on the move. You know, there's a lot to like about him. This kid, number one, though, is a winner. Everywhere he's been, he's won. And so that's what the Tennessee Titans need that get back to those days where they were in the playoffs quite a bit in winning divisions, they haven't had that. But this kid right here, he will sure bring a lot of that hope to a city that is very football proud and. And he's a. He's a great kid. Kid. The personality, everything about him is top shelf. And he's a hell of a player.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. A background on Cam Ward from West Columbia, Texas, which was the very first capital of Texas, all the way back in the early 1800s, before it became Houston and then Austin, a town of 3,500 people. Cam Ward Played in a wing T offense in high school and was not evaluated correctly as a result. Only threw right around 250 passes his entire time at West Columbus. Went to QB camps, went to Texas A and M, went to Texas State, went to Texas tcu. All these guys like, look, I can throw the ball, but they didn't see it on film and so they didn't offer. And that's, that's probably fair. And Eric Morris, who I think is one of the best quarterback evaluators in this entire game, he's going to be a Power 4 head coach sometime. He was the head coach at Incarnate Word at the time. When Cam Ward came out for a camp and he offered him a scholarship, it was the only one he got. He went to Incarnate Word. Started as a true freshman freshman led them to the FCS playoffs. They became one of the better teams in sub FBS ball and Cam Ward really stamped his name on the map. Then after that it was a trip at Western Washington State where he excelled there as well. And then this past season at Miami, I think he really put it all together. I think he really started to polish all of the things that we had concerns about coming out of Washington State. He's mobile in the pocket, he makes the sound decisions. Elite touch on the deep ball, in my opinion. And the thing that I think the reason why he's going to end up being the first overall pick here is because whenever Tennessee found out that they were getting this first pick, they did some very early evaluations on these quarterbacks. It did not take them long to realize that Cam Ward separates from the rest of the pack when it comes to the dog mentality, when it comes to being that alpha leader in the room. When he was at the University of Miami, he was less than a week into being at Miami. They were still having to do player led workouts because they have their own kind of rules in the ncaa. Cam Ward was mfing dudes in their face saying, hey, we need to get active, we need to get going. This guy just walked in the door. He was still figuring out what his address was and where the closest whataburger was. Or I guess it's Florida. They didn't have Waterburger, but this is a guy who's an alpha leader. He's going to step into Tennessee, elevate that team on day one. I just hope they get him another weapon. Tyler Lockett's not going to be that guy for the long term, in my opinion.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And where is Eric Morris now?

[Nick Harris]

Eric Morris, head coach at UNC Call where? North Texas University of North.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's actually in the green room right now.

[Nick Harris]

He is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You talk about a guy has the right mindset and remembers where he came from. Cam Ward seems to be that guy as well. And I think it's really a cool path that he's taken. It's the unusual path. It's not like what we've seen from some of the recent number one overall picks where it's top prospect takes care of business, does it all the way through and then ends up being a top pick in the NFL draft. He kind of came from an unlikely scenario and as a Lone Star State guy too, it is really cool to see and I wish nothing but success for him except for when he plays the Dallas Cowboys.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I think that's the truth.

[Nick Harris]

He's going to be the first ever quarterback taken number one overall. That was a no star recruit coming off high school. So really credit to him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now where does if. Let's just play fantasy land here. What if he's not the pick? Which I think would be crazy. If you want to talk explosive. Bobby Belt talked about it earlier. What do you expect out of the top 10? Explosive? Would that be categorized as explosive?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, definitely, 100%.

[Zach Wolchuk]

If he's not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If it's not the pick?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, that'd be crazy. That'd be like the, the smoke screen of all smokescreens. And then I guess it would be Travis Hunter. I mean, Travis Hunter I think is the best player in the draft. When you talk about him being a corner wide receiver, I don't have a doubt this kid could do both. The question is, do you really want him to do both? Would you rather him just go ahead and specialize at one side of the ball? Because I think he can be an all pro at whatever he decides to do. I think he absolutely could be one of the best corners in football. I think he can be one of the best receivers in the league. I've got him as the best corner in the draf. I had him as the number two wide receiver in the draft, but I think he's probably more wide receiver ready right now. But when it comes to corner, I mean the guy is just cerebral as heck. He's got a crazy feel. And the closing speed is also top notch. His ability to play off coverage kind of read what's in front of him. He just, he can gamble similar to what we've seen some other stars do, like an Ed Reed, like a Troy Palomalu, like a Darrell Rivas. Kind of freelancing off the ball and this guy's just making play. But I would be stunned if it's not Cam Ward. I think Cam Ward is the clear cut number one quarterback in this class. And it's evident by reports that the Giants were willing to offer multiple ones to try and go up and get him. So I think Tennessee is getting themselves like. It's always tough for us to determine what is it? What's the it factor? I felt like Michael Penix Jr. Was a guy that had that last year. Just wins wherever he goes. Cam Ward follows suit to this. Nick, you absolutely perfectly summed up all the reasons why everything that he's had to do to get to where he is, but the leadership skills. And also in today's NFL, you better be able to create and make plays with your legs to extend plays. And he does it better than maybe anybody we've seen since Caleb Williams last year.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It looks like Jay Glazer has now gone on Fox Sports Radio and he's talked about that possible deal between the Jags and the Browns. He says that when the pick is Cam Ward, that would happen. Here's Roger Goodell to announce the first pick in the NFL draft. And then things can get wild.

[Vox Lombardi]

Come on.

[Brian Broaddus]

With the first pick in the 2025.

[Kyle Yeomans]

NFL Draft, the Tennessee Titans select Cameron Ward, quarterback, Miami. There we go. Cam Ward off the table. Just as we all thought. He's now the new quarterback in Tennessee.

[Vox Lombardi]

Quarterback. What happens at two quarterback changes everything.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Breaking news.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Via Adam Schefter, Browns are trading the number two overall pick to the Jaguars for number five. The Browns are also acquiring a fourth round pick, number 104, and a sixth round pick, number 200. The. Excuse me. Those are the ones that they are sending. Let me, let me run that back. Browns are trading the number two overall pick, a fourth round and a sixth round. Jaguars are trading the number five overall pick, a second round pick, a fourth round pick, and their 2026 first round pick.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Wow.

[Nick Harris]

This is some massive value to jump up and go grab what we assume to be Travis Hunter.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It's got to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's, that's, that'd be Travis, right?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. It's got to be two firsts, a.

[Nick Harris]

Second and a fourth.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Wow.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And there was a thought that Jacksonville could be the team trading back in this NFL draft. They thought. There were rumors this morning that it was the Chicago Bears that could go from 10 up to 5 and swap with Jacksonville. Instead, it's Jacksonville that decides to pull.

[Nick Harris]

The Trigger, you need a lot of good news to happen in the top 12. So McMillan gets to you. This is the first thing because Jacksonville was a player for McMillan. I don't think they take McMillan at 2.

[Kyle Yeomans]

First one on the table, first pick is in Cam War Miami quarterback is on his way to the Tennessee Titans with the first overall pick in the 2025 NFL Draft. More on the way. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on Dallas Cowboys Radio Network in Dallas Cowboys dot com. All right gentlemen, here we go. Craziness can ensue. Like you said, there's a lot of, lot of good news you need to happen. There's the first one that's on the board across the way. How does that affect things moving forward? Vouch in your eyes now that the Jacksonville Jaguars are on the clock at 2 and Cleveland has to wait until 5.

[Vox Lombardi]

That's really odd because I feel like. And look, don't, don't get me wrong. Travis Hunter is incredible. He's generational. He's probably going to play both sides at some point. He's going to be really good at both sides. But how generational do you have to be to give this up and move up? Because just looking at the board and hey, my board has nothing to do with their board. I would think that Jacksonville would be in range still to get like a super impactful guy or to get somebody that like Mason Graham is a guy like that or even Ted is a guy like that or even gents he's a guy like that. And it seems like if they would have just waited around they would be in prime. You know, they could get one of those game changing guys. But if they love Travis and hey, if you love him, go get him and if he's a first round wide receiver and a first round corner, sure give up two first round picks to go get them. But it is interesting that, that they have given up this much to go get Travis. I like Travis, but this seems to.

[Nick Harris]

Be a lot and you'd have to assume that they are going to be playing him on both sides for this value that they are putting in. They're losing two first round picks at the very least. Like that's where this begins. Now the Browns though, on the flip side, they are prepared to take a whoever they want at 5 and potentially their quarterback next year. This is, this really sets up for Cleveland. Nice. I understand why they do this deal. I'm sure it's hard to trade away from Travis Hunter. That's got to be one of the most difficult things you have to do as a gm, but they got really good value for this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And Brian, you've always talked about the value of sleeping on your board. Night one, going into night two, they have the first pick of the second round and now they own the fourth pick of the second round. So they're going to pick twice in the first four picks tomorrow. After selecting the fifth overall player in this year's draft in the first round, it's kind of a steal for Cleveland. Cleveland. Why does the value make sense specifically for Jacksonville?

[Brian Broaddus]

I think Jacksonville, clearly they're trying to take their organization into a different direction. They're trying to help their quarterback. They absolutely, you know, talking to the people down there, when it was, you know, when they, when the first started, the words about Ashton Genty, when they're saying, listen, we want to get guys that can score touchdowns, that's what they were thinking about. They weren't thinking about Mason Graham stopping anybody. They were thinking about, about how could we help. They've got a huge investment in their quarterback. They want to see that have success. And, you know, you have a new general manager down there. Tony Bal is kind of helping out the former, you know, the former Jaguar tackle. You know, they're kind of trying to, and this is a very, very aggressive move for them to try and, and help. I, I, I admire them for going up and trying to get a guy and again, trying to help their quarterback. You go spot and you get the best player of the draft. Yeah. Is it a lot to give up? Absolutely. But they went out and got a guy that they think could be a generational type of player. Even if they waited at 5 and took Ashton Jitty, that's maybe another generational player. So they've thought about this like, hey, we could get this guy, but why don't we try and go one better here? And I think that's what they've done.

[Nick Harris]

A fascinating nugget from Adam Schefter on, on the, on this ESPN stream, the Giants offered this year and next year's first round pick to jump up and grab Cam Ward. Tennessee refused.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay, see, this is what's, and the Giants won like a meaningless game at the end of the year. At one time they had, and I, and I, hey, listen, guys, I, being a former front office guy, I get it. You're trying to win games, nobody wants to lose games, but sometimes you just, you look back and you add the first overall pick and your team's kind of, you know, in flux and you're Just thinking like hey how do I but but if you don't win, you know they. They gave up the. They would have had the first round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pick maybe Here we go on the back on the Dallas Cowboys radio network side. Back here on the radio side of things. Also streaming live on the 1053 the Fan Odyssey app and on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Glad you're with us. Plenty more to come. Just one pick in now. The second pick is now in as I say that Jacksonville has taken the number two pick from the Cleveland Browns in a blockbuster trade to begin this NFL draft and now they are currently making their selection at pick number two overall. When you're looking at this trade vox Lombardi it could affect in ripple effect all the way through to where the Cowboys pick at pick number 12. What are your initial thoughts?

[Vox Lombardi]

It is. It is very interesting what could happen here and they paid a lot. So I hope whoever that they're getting right here they love them the pieces. I just want to ask the panel here, you know who helps Lawrence Moore? Is it genty at running back to maybe take pressure off of him or is it taking Travis and loading him up with Brian Thomas to you know, maybe open up the passing game a little bit more? Do you put more on Lawrence with the wide receiver or do you take more off of him with the running game? This trading up thing is interesting but the pick is in and we can pick back up on that after. Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here's Roger. To take a moment to recognize a player who's made a profound impact on and off the field. The Walter Payton NFL Main Event of the Year award presented by Nationwide recognizes one player each year who best represents greatness and compassion both on and off the field and in the community. Tonight we are proudly joined by the 2024 Walter Payton NFL man of the Year, Eric Armste.

[Brian Broaddus]

Thank you. First off, d.

[Vox Lombardi]

What if his sandwich.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What if it's crazy?

[Nick Harris]

Chuck.

[Brian Broaddus]

I want to say thank you to the commissioner. Thank you to the Payton family and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The NFL and nationwide and also too welen to not tonight.

[Brian Broaddus]

I want to encourage each player embarking on the NFL journey to identify a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Passion close to their heart and act upon it. Use your platform to make your community.

[Brian Broaddus]

The league and this world a better place.

[Kyle Yeomans]

As we remember Walter Payton, strive to.

[Brian Broaddus]

Leave a positive legacy of your own. Thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We have a trade. The Cleveland Browns have traded the second.

[Brian Broaddus]

Pick to the Jacksonville Jaguars. And with the second pick in the.

[Zach Wolchuk]

22025 NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Travis.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Travis Hunter, wide receiver, defensive back From Colorado.

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, they listen as a defensive back.

[Tommy Yarish]

Huh?

[Kyle Yeomans]

They said wide receiver.

[Brian Broaddus]

Oh, they said wide receiver. Defensive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, they had them both and they have it flipped on the, the graphic. So don't read too far into this. I mean Travis Hunter is an elite player. Yeah. An elite prospect. No doubt about it. Zach, you, you talked about the scouting report just a couple moments ago. But Brian, I mean this is something the NFL hasn't seen since his head coach was doing, doing it back in the 90s.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

His collegiate head coach was doing it.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. This is, this guy is. He is an absolute, a rare player and when you watch him, I would personally I would play him at wide receiver if it was me. But this guy, I mean we haven't seen really. We haven't seen a two way players get as this kid since really Charles Woodson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a good one.

[Brian Broaddus]

I could, I could go there and I love me some Charles Woodson, but you know, he could play both spots. You know, the thing about it is the body control, the balance. There's an edge to his game, you know, on both sides of the ball. He's got super reliable hands. He could snatch it right out of the air. Outstanding catch radius. He could finish. He's got to feel how to play in small spaces and that's something that really working along the sidelines, the back of the end zone. He's got quick feet every. There's just so many. He puts pressure on defenders with the way he could start and stop, so carries routes all over the field. I like to say I'm going to think that he is. If he could get with somebody, like I say with Jacksonville and they work with him as a wide receiver. If he just focus on that right now, man, this guy could be an all pro player.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, it's, it's going to be a special, special time watching what Colorado or excuse me, what Jacksonville decides to do with him. How many snaps does he play on each side of the ball? Can he be a rotational corner? Because that's been. Some of the thought is like, okay, do you bring him in, you know, between the 20s and then once it gets like a red zone situation, you take them out. You know, there's going to be so many questions that first year head coach Liam Cohen is going to have to work through. That's going to be a very fascinating training camp in preseason to watch to see how they manage. Travis Hunter because he also has injury history. You're going back to his time at Colorado and Jackson State. He had a shoulder injury Last year that knocked him out a little bit. He had a lacerated liver in 23, missed three games. He battled a right ankle issue for three years going into his time at Jackson State. Missed a lot of games, games there in, in Mississippi. So you know, how do they manage his body going forward to the NFL? Because he's got a slender build. I mean he does leave himself open for some big hits, especially at the NFL level. How does Jacksonville plan on managing that while still maximizing his ability on both sides of the ball?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, you, you kind of worry a little bit about him playing a 12 game schedule, then all of a sudden having to play 18 games. Yeah, you know, that kind of thing.

[Nick Harris]

They're making the playoffs.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean hopeful. Well, 17 games for sure. But that, you know, that kind of. You worry about the wear and tear on him because you're right at 188 he is kind of a slender guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Brian's looking ahead to when they add the extra game. Yeah, it's going to happen before, you.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Know, but how about James Gladstone, 34 years old, first time as a general manager. The Kahunas and what you decide, hey NFL, I'm here, I'm going up, I'm in. Maybe some look at that as an overpay, but I think if you're getting a guy that's going to play both ways and be able to impact the football game that way, and we're talking about one of the best players. I think he's the best player that I've probably ever studied. I mean what he's able to do is unbelievable. So I mean, shout out to you sir, 34 years old, youngest GM in the history of football. Hey, you're here, you've arrived. There's no doubt about that.

[Nick Harris]

He will always remember his first pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'll tell you that. 100% right.

[Vox Lombardi]

Dude's a natural man. He has so much room to grow in everything that he does and it's just weird watching him like, hey, he's just tracking the ball naturally. Yak guy naturally, you know, cutting on the dime naturally. Then he goes to the other side of the ball. He jamming guys up naturally, just turning and running naturally. Like whenever they, you know, hyper focus on one thing for him and I don't know if they're going to do that is, is he's probably going to play both but like whenever he hits his prime ceiling, could be year two or three or four, it's, it's going to be fantastic to watch. But let me just, let me just ask who's, who's wide receiver one there? Is it Brian Thomas or is it going to be Travis Hunter now?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, that's going to be fascinating too. How does, how do they juggle that as well? How does Brian Thomas feel about this? There's, there's a lot of things.

[Vox Lombardi]

He gets some help, he gets some road coverage.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we're getting a good look at the Cowboys war room now on the video stream side of things now the pick is in for the New york Giants at 3. So no movement yet. We did see in our, our group text that there could be some possibility of movement one way or the other in this top 10. Let's take a look at what is set up here on the screen for us to watch. Of course, in the center you've got the main man, you've got Jerry Jones in his normal spot with both Cowboys helmets and the silver clad domes right in front of him to his left, or excuse me, to his right. To our left is Brian Schottenheimer, first year head coach for the Dallas Cowboys. On the opposite side, it's Steven Jones with Charlotte Jones right to the left of Stephen or to Stephen's left. Then you got Will McLay a couple seats down, you have Paxton Alexander along with John Stephen Jones, couple of the grandchildren of Jerry Jones in there as well. Well, Chris hall is in there. He's the very far right of the screen. He's sitting on the table. Flipping to the opposite side of the table, the very left is Mitch Le Point who's there and one of the head scouts for this Cowboys franchise. And then Jerry Jones Jr there as well. Anything to read out of this early on because it's not going to get really intense until we get closer and closer to the pick or when we get closer to close, closer to picking up the phone. Here's the giant selection at three.

[Brian Broaddus]

Defensive end, Penn State.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It is Abdul Carver, Penn State defensive end. This guy's going to be a menace for Dallas to deal with in the division twice a year from here on out. He's now a part of the New York Giants franchise and that's not necessarily great news for the Cowboys.

[Vox Lombardi]

That is going to suck, man. Kayvon gets a friend. Dexter Lawrence gets a friend. They're just gonna, they're just gonna pass rush all day, every day. Carter was a guy last year, just linebacker, full time, running around, tackling. It's just somebody had the bright idea to just say, hey, just, just play full time. DN and just wreck stuff. And that's what he's done since playing dn. Now he has a lot of room to grow also, but just as a natural get off the ball guy, just a natural power guy, just a natural bendy guy. You know, he's. He's wearing number 11 for a reason. And there's a lot of these edges that's wearing number 11 these days, I've been noticing. But he kind of gives you those Micah vibes or whatnot. And he's going to be a fantastic pass rush for the. Those guys.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He's outstanding. I hope he ends up being a massive bust and is not good at all. And look, until he leaves New York and goes somewhere else, then he can really start his career. But yeah, the dude's incredible. I mean, he's disruptive. He lines up all over the place. Multiple spots he can cover can wreck a running game. Showcases explosive hands to rip through the guard in the center. Offensives, offenses oftentimes, but you got to know where he is. You're designating extra help constantly for him. Played hurt during the College Football Playoff. Now he does have a medical flag, so that's something to monitor moving forward. The character stuff, I mean, we know about the shoulder that he dealt with. There might be a foot injury as well. Penn State, you heard mixed stuff coming up when it came to the character when he was coming out. But clearly you, you, you look at the player. He was the number two player for me. He, he's, he's sensational. I think he is better actually than Micah was coming out of Penn State.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think he's got some Jarrett verse to him, his game and you watch him, those. That long guy with some bend and been able to kind of, yeah, be able to kind of play with some power. But also though his ability to kind of like we talked about, bend that corner, the flexibility and stuff like that. So he is super aggressive too. And the coaches at Penn State did a really nice job of kind of moving him around and kind of finding matchups for him to win at Via.

[Nick Harris]

Diana Rossini of the Athletic, the Cleveland Browns are taking calls from teams interested in the number five pick. They are open to moving down again.

[Brian Broaddus]

Wow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow. Okay, so more movement possible whenever it comes to the Cleveland Browns.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They're loading up for 20, 26.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They are absolutely doing. So let's take our.

[Nick Harris]

Oh, go ahead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, we got to take a break on the radio side of things. More to come as we are currently on pick number four, the New York or excuse me New England Patriots are on the clock. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on Dallas Cowboys Radio Network and Dallas Cowboys.com.

[Nick Harris]

Or for Cleveland. They're trying to get in that 15 to 40 range that we've talked about, get as many top 50 picks as possible. It's kind of a thing, if I can compare it to something that'll be on the level of most audience members. It's like when you're in your fantasy football draft and you're like, okay, where do I pick? Where can I get the most top 50 picks? Or I'd rather have the most premium and then lose that on the back end of the top 50. I think this is kind of an opportunity. Idea from Cleveland is like, hey, since 15 to 40 are so close together, go ahead and stack these picks. So that's just me theorizing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I just miss tabbed Paxton Anderson. I said Paxton Alexander, who played at Highland Park a couple years ago when we were doing. We were doing high school football coverage back in the day. My bad. Sorry. Paxton Anderson, who's sitting next to Charlotte Anderson there in the war room. But we'll get it right next time. All right, so if something happens like that moving back again, who are some of the teams that can move up into that top five spot? Ooh, would that be something Dallas could consider? Let's just throw that in.

[Nick Harris]

No, I don't think so too much.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I don't think the Cowboys are looking to move up. I think Bears, maybe Chicago. Chicago, absolutely. Chicago could be the team that wants to go get Genty. I think that, you know, you definitely have Denver, who's been supposedly trying to get up there into the top 10. I mean, that would be a big move from 5 to 20. But if Denver's willing to offer enough, Brian, you know Sean Payton very well. If he wants a guy enough, maybe he goes and gets him.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I think Sean would.

[Vox Lombardi]

He.

[Brian Broaddus]

He's be. He was always very interested in moving up. He's very aggressive. He's got a good football team there in Denver, and he's kind of feeling like that maybe if he can add a runner to that. That. To that arsenal that he has, that he would be in pretty good shape. I don't know if he can get all the way into the top five there, but he would sure like the opportunity to maybe get into the. The. Into the teens where he could select the running back that he likes.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's fascinating. Chicago's the one that jumps out to me. As well. Could, could New Orleans also make the case? I know they have Kamara, but to, to have a two headed monster, Kellen Moore, what he would have in year one to go ahead and grab a guy like Genty, man, that would be, that would be something special for sure. And you talk about the jets throwing Breece hall around on the trade market.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Are they a team that could potentially jump Vegas to go ahead and grab, grab Gency as well?

[Vox Lombardi]

What do y' all see Sanders going like, like, would somebody move up to possibly draft him or is he just going to fall all the way out of this thing?

[Nick Harris]

I don't, I don't think he's going to fall the way out. I think he's in the top 15.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

I just don't know where.

[Brian Broaddus]

Do you think someone's going to trade up for him or do you think. Yeah, okay.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I think so.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it a possibility that he's not the second quarterback taken on the board?

[Brian Broaddus]

I think there's a possibility of that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jackson and stuff at 9 with door or with dart.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, it seems like they're out on Shador.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, it's Kellen Moore, man. He's either he's going to want an offensive weapon here. Yeah, it's going to be quarterback, running back, receiver.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think he's fighting Jeff Ireland on that right now. I think Ireland and them kind of were talking about potentially Walker being a guy, you know, the Georgia, the line, the edge linebacker, wherever you like to play him. And you know, Kellen's like, no, wait a minute. We don't have a quarterback and we don't, you know, we don't have skill guys. So that's why you hear names like McMillan going there. I mean, the Cowboys still think that, that knowing Kellen Moore as well as they do, that McMillan would be absolutely the type of guy that they would, they would consider taking there. So, yeah, Kellen Moore, you know, first year, he might win this fight. I mean, he might win this fight, in fact be able to get a quarterback that he feels like he could work with with Jackson Dart.

[Vox Lombardi]

What about Tampa? Do you guys think that, you know, Baker's a quarterback of the future, future there? Like, like, like would they like to get a young guy to put behind him to maybe kind of groom over the next two or three years or so?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, they certainly could. That would make a lot of sense. And looking at Tampa Bay's roster, they are in a really good spot. They could pick anywhere. They can pick anywhere. They have one of the more talented rosters in the NFL last year they played really well until injury started to catch up. That was a team that we were looking around in like mid October, November saying like, hey, this is an NFC contender. And then the injury started to catch up. So especially to the receiving core. So I wonder if they try to get younger at receiver as a result. I know for a fact they're going to try to get younger at linebacker. Heard that so many times at the combine that they they are worried about their age at linebacker. But they are such, they're in such a good spot on almost every position group in Tampa.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Remember, they have Kyle Trask as the backup. They do trust him, but he, he was picked in the second round of 2021.

[Nick Harris]

It's not, still has not gotten an opportunity.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Exactly. It's not like it's, it's kind of something breaking down the door for Baker Mayfield specifically. They signed Michael Pratt out of Tulane. He was a free agent this passion year. They, they ended up signing him as well. So I think for the most part you look at Tampa Bay as a wild card. Drafted Graham Barton last year. He's turned out to be a significant Rookie. Bucky Irving McMillan.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They like Matthew Golden a lot. Tampa Bay does. That would be a weapon to look for them. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Zach Wolchuk]

Well, you can't get a well groomed.

[Tommy Yarish]

Lawn delivered, but you can't get chicken parmesan delivered.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no. A burrito bowl?

[Brian Broaddus]

Happily, yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. A box of fine wines? Yes, that's happening. Delivery on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, then how about some French fries? Yep. A little escape?

[Zach Wolchuk]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A delicious bowl of grape grapes?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, that.

[Zach Wolchuk]

How about a freshly cut lawn?

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Zach Wolchuk]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

See app for details. Three picks down in the 2025 NFL Draft. The Titans take Cam Ward, quarterback, out of Miami. The Jags trade up with the Cleveland Browns. They take the second overall pick, Travis Hunter, corner and wide receiver out of Colorado, reigning Heisman Trophy winner. The New York Giants select Abdul Carter, edge rusher from Penn State. Those are the three that have been selected. Here are the New England Patriots at pick number four as Roger Goodell works to the post podium in Green Bay. Made in Vegas. With the fourth pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select Will Campbell. Tackle LSU. The Sharpie pick pays off. Nick Harris.

[Zach Wolchuk]

There you go.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Monroe Neville, high school grad, same high school as Andrew Whitworth. And he's known Whitworth for most of his life. And it makes sense whenever you look at his style of play and you look at his size, he didn't quite have Whitworth's length, but you see the athletic ability, you see how that translates into him being able to be kind of a Mauler for lsu. Over the course of the last couple of years, there's been thoughts about sliding him in to guard. I think he sticks at tackle, especially here in the system. For New England they wanted to get a guy that they could protect Drake may for, for the foreseeable future. They want to protect that number two overall pick investment that they made last year. Will Campbell, in my eyes is the best offensive lineman in this draft. And you see him being able to be worked as a pin and puller in the run game. And that's why there's been, you know, a lot of optimism about him potentially sliding inside. But I think at maximizing that athleticism and being able to seal off the corner as an offensive tackle with that kind of size, I think it's going to be something that we will see in New England for a long, long time.

[Vox Lombardi]

Boring tackle man. And that's good being being a flat out boring, get the job done tackle is a fantastic thing for him to be able to be just, just a solid all around guy. Does everything, doesn't really have a wart. I wouldn't say that he's fantastic at any one thing, but maybe that's what you like when you're just breaking down some of these different players. Some are good at some things, some are bad at others. Will Campbell just kind of does everything pretty good and maybe that's why they, they chose to, chose to get him here at 4. But just looking at the Patriots and everything that they invest in offensive line, they say will Campbell tackle, not guard. There was Some conversation about him possibly being. Being a guard there, but he would be the left tackle for the Patriots.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, this guy is kind of interesting because he tends to play on the inside of his feet. So there looks like some. There's some snaps where he kind of fighting his technique, but then all of a sudden he's kind of like he's such a good athlete that he's able to kind of rally back and then take the defender on and prevent him from getting around the corner on him. The lateral agility, the slide, all that stuff is really, really good. So, you know, he's been a starter since day one when he came to lsu. He's played in a ton of big games for the Tigers. And so I personally, I like Simmons from Ohio State a little bit better than him. But I'll tell you what though, this kid for the four. For the. Excuse me. For the years he played it at lsu, he was, he was a, it was a mainstay for, for that offensive line.

[Vox Lombardi]

And I'll say he has the. He has the worst stance I've ever seen.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, I hate it.

[Brian Broaddus]

That's what I'm saying.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He got to work on their bad stance. Him and Emory Jones both have.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. Like they, they do. They play, like I said, on the insides of their feet. And you're kind of wondering if that's something you could get him out. Plays in his two point stance a lot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

So they'll work on that as well.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That right hand he's got though, is so strong. And he would use that with that weird stance that you're talking about on the inside. He's able to use that to keep people off of his body. But high class, high character, team captain, dude. I mean, you start as a true freshman at LSU and you play at that high a level against really, really good competition, the sec. You're a good player and he's got some nasty to his game. I do think there's times he can be a little late with his backpedal and he can get beat inside with poor hand placement. But overall, overall, I think this was one of those guys. When I first looked at him, it was an overthink it thing. He's got way more good than he has bad and he is consistent. That is a good pick for New England that needed offensive line help.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You talk about the consistency. We had the conversation on the podcast last week about guys had maybe were thought to be high prospects way long ago, 12, 24 months ahead of time and dropped off. He was not one of Those guys. He's been mentioned as a possible top 10, top 15 pick throughout really his entire collegiate career, especially after his first couple seasons in Baton Rouge. And now you see it all pay off for Will Campbell. It's not a surprise to see him work this early. As Nick Harris said earlier in the coverage, talking about a player that was specifically sharpied in with the Patriots there at pick number four. Now we move on to pick number five. The Jacksonville Jaguars are on the clock. Excuse me, they were on the clock. They traded out of this. And the pick is in for Cleveland. They ultimately do not trade out of the fifth overall pick. Where could they be going here? Nick Harris?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. There's a couple of names that I'm. I'm looking at for. For Cleveland. Do they want. Do they want offensive firepower in a guy like Ashton Jensey? They seem content in letting Nick Chubb walk. Could that be a guy? Or do they want to fortify that defensive front for a guy like Mason Graham? That's. Those are. Those are two different possibilities that I think are here.

[Brian Broaddus]

I don't. I wouldn't be surprised if they take an offensive lineman here because I was asking some people if Jackson. If the Jacksonville trade went down, where would. If in fact that Cleveland went down to five. And the name that I got was Membu and I. And maybe it might be a little early for him on some boards. He's way high. I know we've kind of talked about the Cowboys have. Not really maybe liking him as high as maybe some of the media scouts, but that was a name. I believe it's like, hey, hey, they. They'll probably take Mimbu and, you know, so it might be an offensive lineman here. We'll see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where do you have him on your board?

[Brian Broaddus]

What, Memboo member? Yeah. I'm going to go down on him. He would be player 11 for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Where would you have him?

[Nick Harris]

Nick Harris, Memboo. I have him as my highest rated second round great at 15.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I got him. I got him at 19.

[Vox Lombardi]

Membo is my 13th guy. But just looking at their depth chart, they got tackles there. They got Conklin. I guess they're gonna move on from Conklin, I would guess, but. But Jones is the. Is the younger guy that they drafted a couple years ago. Dejuan Jones from Ohio State.

[Brian Broaddus]

In the 2025 NFL Draft, the Cleveland.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Browns select Mason Graham.

[Vox Lombardi]

There we go.

[Zach Wolchuk]

There we go. Now. Now you get a little genty slide.

[Nick Harris]

Cleveland's a town that deserves a good defensive front that just Feels right. Right?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. Miles Garrett's going to be happy. That should help him in the middle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Like, Mason Graham's a guy that for whatever reason we kind of started to hear was sliding a little bit. Like could he possibly slide out of the first round? But overall, I mean, he's one of the best players in this class. I have it. Number seven overall, super wide, strong anchor, upper body to hold his ground at the point of attack. He's a high motor player, quick twitch at the snap to get up field and pressure the quarterback. He can blow up plays in the backfield versus the run. I mean, he's a guy that can really tilt the field for you. The way he's able to move at that side is really, really unique. So to me, I mean, the one question I had, like, is he maybe maxed out? I don't know. But I think Cleveland is getting a quality player here. And you pair him on a defensive front with a guy like Miles Garrett, Goodness gracious. In an AFC north, that is bully ball. That's going to be a really, really fun defensive line to watch.

[Vox Lombardi]

Fantastic lateral movement too. They would run a lot of stunts and slants in games over there. And Martindale really changed what we think about these Michigan D linemen because I know Cowboy fans can't stand a Michigan D lineman here. But boy, Mason Graham, with his athleticism, first step, great hands. And something funny about him is that if he lines up at 0 or 1, he'll be powerful if he's in B gap or on the edge because they'll line him up at edge and stand him up then. Now he's bursty, quick lateral, fast guy. So Mason Graham's versatile, but you know, the whole combine thing around him was he's losing weight. He's losing weight. Came in around 289. I'm assuming that he's going to be a three take here because the Browns got Malik Collins starting. So I don't think that's going to be a thing that's going to last very long.

[Bobby Belt]

Long there.

[Nick Harris]

Of the top five picks, who do you think has the highest bus potential? Is it Carter or Graham?

[Zach Wolchuk]

It's Carter. Bus potential, definitely with the team he landed on. I mean, cave on Thibodeau we thought was going to be awesome. There's something about that building. Just gross.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, you could say the same thing about Cleveland.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, people like quarterbacks. If this had been Shador Sanders, I'd have been worried for him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, when's the last time Cleveland's Had a legitimate defensive tackle, Dalvin Tomlinson. Yeah. I mean, that's.

[Nick Harris]

They had a good defensive interior before last season.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

They just lost those guys in free.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Agency, but granted, they signed Dalvin Thomas, I don't believe they drafted him.

[Bobby Belt]

No.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think Campbell might be the guy here that might. And I know I've seen Campbell.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Iffy. And you're an LSU guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I'm at 6 with the rate with the Raiders.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. Well, no, no, no, no. Campbell. Will Campbell.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, Will.

[Brian Broaddus]

If you're talking about potential. If you said which five guys could. Maybe. Maybe it might be Wilkins Campbell. I've seen some games where it was. It was a struggle for him against some good. He's played. Like I say, he's played some huge games and he's shown up well. But I kind of. There's been some times where they've taken him to task, been able to get the shoulder as much as, you know, is a good athlete. He's. You know, there's been some times where he's. He's struggled with guys that are able to get underneath him and get back to that quarterback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now with the Raiders on the clock at pick number six is this guy to be.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They've got to be so happy.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, they've.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, they survived. They survived the top five.

[Zach Wolchuk]

All of a sudden it's like Genti's not going to be there. That was like the most mock thing we'd seen. Pete Carroll wants his running back. Spy Tech's talking about taking running backs high now. Could they throw a wrench in this? And all of a sudden It's Kelvin Banks Jr. Out of Texas. Maybe. But I'm expecting this to be Ashton Genti.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You.

[Nick Harris]

You understand what Pete Carroll likes to do, and this is going to be his first pick in Vegas. He wants to make a stage statement. He got his quarterback and I think he gets his running back here. Vegas undoubtedly had the worst backfield in the entire NFL last year, and that includes the quarterback and running back position. I think they do a really good job here by fortifying both of those spots by signing Geno Smith and now drafting Ashton Jensen. I think they hot take. I think they become a contender in that division. I know it's a stacked division, but that team has been just a couple of offensive pieces away from really starting to put some games together together. They just didn't have a quarterback or a running back. You saw how invaluable that was to them last year.

[Vox Lombardi]

Can I get the camera on me, please? Just real fast.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Camera on me, please.

[Vox Lombardi]

Now what if I was to say that, man, somebody in that room is going, hey man, corner is much more premium than running back. And, and, and look, man, we're. We're drafting early in all these rounds. Now we can get a running back in day two somewhere. Round two and round three. Let's get a premium cornerback in here. Let's go get that Will Johnson kid from Michigan while I got this pen in my hand. Is it possible, guys?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it possible?

[Zach Wolchuk]

You know what Tom Brady would say? Go bleep yourself. I don't care about corners. Get me somebody on the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Off to Michigan. Five teams could have been bleeping select Ashton Genti.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yes, there's our.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is he saying? He's going to be great there in silver and black. What a. What a fit for Ashton Genty. Frisco Lone star high school product, played his high school football just across the hallway here at the Ford center at the Star. It's a little sad to see him.

[Brian Broaddus]

It is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

End up with Las Vegas, but that's going to be an incredible fit with Pete Carroll, Geno Smith and really that entire offense.

[Vox Lombardi]

You know, man, some. Some guys break tackles. Some guys truck people. They run over people. People bounce off of Ashton Jensen. It's so weird watching him play. He just bounces off these guys. And boy, I, I've. I've been fighting this fight all year. Vaj. He's. He's at Boise State and he's. What about the competition? Go watch the Oregon game. Rush for 190 versus Oregon by itself. Watch the. Watch. Watch Penn State in the postseason. Nobody showed up to play. Everybody showed up to play at Penn State, but nobody at Boise. But Ashton Genty showed to play and he still rushed for 95 yards by himself. This kid is going to show up and Geno is, is. Is. Is just going to be kicking it. Fun. Hand the ball off and just let Ashton Jensen lead the league. I say it right now, he's going to lead the league. And yards as. After first contact or yards at the first hit, whatever. Whatever the, the metric for it is. Genty's ready to go right now. He's the highest floor player that we have in this whole draft and he's player number three for me. Cowboy fans, we should have talked ourselves out of this a long time ago. There was no way he was going to make it to 12, man.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, there's no way. When you looked at the situation where, you know, in a draft or maybe there weren't a lot of blue Chip names. He was the one guy that you looked at the ability, you looked at the off the field and you looked at this health. This guy's got very, very few holes in his game and the pad level that he runs with opponents have a difficult time trying to contain him and you know he finishes runs. He's a game breaker. You know, he is one of those guys that he's going to make a lot of plays and I that's awesome. It's amazing that the type of player the Raiders, they were very patient there. They didn't move and the guy fell right in their lap. Good for them to get that type of a player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

On the NFL Network stream side. They just played a clip from Ashton Genti's Frisco Lone Star High School draft party that they had for Joe and everybody just lost it. It really is cool. I mean he's a pride of the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. He went to Boise, had an incredible career up there in Idaho and he continues forward. Now there's a, I know there's a bit of a pin throw, I guess an actual pin throw throw. Even though they didn't expect him to be there at 12, Dallas would have loved to have Ashton Gin too.

[Nick Harris]

That was an outside hope that he was maybe going to slip and there was, there's really outside, outside hope definitely. I mean there's, there's been some instances where they didn't expect guys to be there and it was just an outside hope. But this, this war room that we're looking at now right here, they were looking at this Raiders pick close and, and when they picked Genty, it's. It wasn't any good feelings about it?

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, no, and the thing about it is like that to me it was, it was so clear the more that we started to dig into these guys that it was like this guy is rare, he is different, special man. I've got Hunter at one in the stack and him at number two. I this is the highest I've ever put a running back on my board and I know we've, I've had Zeke, I've had B Sean Robinson. I mean we've had some backs. This kid right here to me I watches like we kept talking about like why is he getting mocked at? He's not going to make it to 12. He never was going to make it to 12. Not with, not in this draft.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Not, not, not without, not in this draft. How this board look. And I don't say this lightly and anybody that knows me knows this but I Mean, I put in my notes, he reminds me a little bit of Emmett, the way that he runs. He really does. I mean, the compact, thick, sturdy build, the contact balance, the way that defenders just fall off him like rain. I mean, it's unbelievable. And the pass protection is outstanding. The ability to catch the ball, run routes, wheels. I mean, tough over the middle. He's just a playmaker. He creates plays when nothing is there. He should have been caught in the backfield for three yards. He ends up picking up six. He's unbelievable. Vegas just got themselves an absolute star.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, so we've got six picks down. Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, Will Campbell, Mason Graham and Ashton Jensen. The jets have their pick in at the seventh overall selection. By the way, guys, off of our first round mock draft that we did a month out, we've gotten four of the top six guys correct. In a draft where you couldn't predict anything. Right. The guy we had at seven was Armand Mimbu, Missouri offensive tackle. Do you feel like that could be a possibility? I know the jets are hunting offensive linemen.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. And they just went out and got Justin Fields. And if they're looking for a different approach to their running game, maybe getting an offensive lineman makes more sense here. It certainly could be in play. Membu's a thought. Kelvin Banks is a thought.

[Brian Broaddus]

Banks is, I think, a big thought.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Surprise. Surprised, honestly, that we haven't brought up Banks a little bit earlier as far as since the draft has started. But yeah, I would have Banks over Memboo, but we'll see what the jets feel like.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Tyler Warren could be an option here as well. The tight end at a Penn State, I think they like Tyler Warren quite a bit. Offensive line would make a ton of sense. Another note that we just got, speaking of the Giants, they are going to pick up Kayvon Thibodeau's fifth year option. So there was trade shatter. So their general managers said Kayvon is going to be here. You can't have enough pass rusher. So they are not planning on letting Kayvon Thibodeau leave at least this year. No trade expected there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No trade expected there. Continuing to wait on the pick for the New York Jets. Following the jets, it's the Panthers at 8, the New Orleans Saints at 9, the Bears at 10. 10, San Francisco 49ers at 11 and the Cowboys at 12. Looking at the timing sheet that the NFL hands out to the teams across the board, we are even slower than the slowest thought process. Whenever they tried to estimate what the times Were going. We're going pretty slow here, V. I know you love that.

[Vox Lombardi]

Yeah, I hate, you know, all the. The theatrics and the pageantry and all this, man, but I'm just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You just want to. To talk ball.

[Vox Lombardi]

That's it.

[Nick Harris]

Man, they make movies about these things much.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Not. Not upset about this. I'm hoping we can bleed into the 9 o' clock hour as I'm about to rotate out. So I'd love to be there for the cowboy pick. If not, I'm going to bring in the beers so we can all toast together.

[Vox Lombardi]

Zach. We'll check before you leave, sir. I'm just. I'm just looking at the jets depth chart there. Yeah, man, DJ Reed sure was a good corner for them last year. He was. He was going to free agency, man.

[Zach Wolchuk]

What he doing here, Vox?

[Vox Lombardi]

I say, man. Boy, I say, man. Free agent really hit these guys. They sure could use another.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They need a corner, one of those.

[Vox Lombardi]

Man. There's a list of guys in my mind that I'm trying to get pin throws on prior to moving to 12, but I do think this is the portion where the draft could get a little weird. All of our blue chip guys are kind of off the board now. Tea is a blue chip guy, but it seems like the league is getting a little funny about him and they don't think of him the way that we think of him. But as far as your genties are and Carters, all of your slam dunk guys, they are gone now. So what direction do we go? Do we see some more guys on defense come off the board? Do we see some wide receivers now or do we see the offensive lineman? Do we see Banks or Simmons come off? It's not going to be. Do we see Banks come off the board right now? Bimbo, come off the board. I think it's. I think it's open for anything to happen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They do need a right side player after taking fashion last year out of Penn State.

[Brian Broaddus]

So it makes a lot of sense here.

[Nick Harris]

Sounds like Carolina's fielding some calls for eight, according to Bobby Belt.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Well, whoever it is, go get a tight end. Or Will Johnson.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, could be out of Michigan.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Jade Baron, corner out of Texas.

[Nick Harris]

Could be the Colts jumping up to.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Go get a Tyler Loveland or Warren.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, here's the jets selection, seventh overall pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.

[Vox Lombardi]

Bobby so cool on his phone.

[Kyle Yeomans]

With the seventh pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the New York jets select Arman Mimbo.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yep, there you go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Missouri tackle Armand Mimboo. Is the pick. We have to step aside here in the studio at the Star in Frisco when we come back. It's officially the second hour of the NFL draft and the Dallas Cowboys are closing in on the 12th overall pick. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys radio network in Dallas Cowboys.

[Nick Harris]

All right, y' all take us.

[Vox Lombardi]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nick Harris doing a great job as always. You can keep up with him on the X side of things. He'll be back in the 9 o' clock hour as will Zach Wolchuk. Gentlemen, great job as always as we work back in, Tommy Yarish and Bobby Belt. I want to get Bobby on the microphone over here just in case. We can hear about possibilities of a trade happening. Happening with Carolina at 8 because Mimboo is the pick. Brian, tell me about Mimbo as we get Bobby on the microphone.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, this is one of those guys when you talk about just outstanding athletes and when, when you watch Missouri, you, there's some things about him that you're like, damn, I wish this guy was just a little bit meaner, you know, I mean he is a, he's a very mild mannered guy but man he is super athletic physically. He's a good looking player. He gets away from the line of scrimmage, he's got the initial knee but in he's got depth as his pass sets. He's got agility to mirror defender where he'll struggle some with some quickness. And you would be surprised with a guy that's this good of an athlete. You know, he just, he'll struggle a bit, he doesn't do anything particularly fast. He's very controlled in the way he played. Just really not a violent guy at all. When you, when you know we talk about violence, you think of guys like back in the day, Tyron Smith, that guy that, you know, you try and run the draw play and he's just going to hammer you up the field. But this guy does a really nice job when it comes to just that movement but you know his ability to sustain and things like that. He's good, we can hook his guy but like I say, he could be a little slow footed at times but man the athletic ability is there. You don't see him flopping around or on the ground. This guy does play on his feet.

[Vox Lombardi]

Going forward and going sideways. Brian, like he's pin and pull guy, he's, he's outside zone guy, scoop guy, clown, climb the next level guy. But going backwards is kind of where he has his issues there. So they're going to work on him as a pass blocker and he has a really good footed left tackle to learn from. You know, I mean, they're both young guys, but they can work together and figure it all out. But he's, he's a run blocker right now. He has, he has, he has some room to grow. He has a lot of, he has a lot of ceiling with him. But I think this is a fantastic pick for the jets right now. Put him next to Vera Tucker and go fly Bobby.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We were talking about Carolina possibly fielding some picks. Their pick is in. Yeah, eights.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They look like they didn't do so.

[Bobby Belt]

They were taking calls. They, they didn't end up getting anything they liked and so they're going to stand in and pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So standing in and picking. Where could Carolina go here? Tommy, if you're the Panthers, a lot.

[Tommy Yarish]

Of different ways, I think you look at Jalen Walker from Georgia, the edge rusher, that's one that's been tied to them a lot. But they're kind of a team that you could look at a lot of different things for them. You could look at offensive line. I know they had a pretty good offensive line, but with guys on the board like Banks, maybe they want to shore that, that up. Just, you know, a lot of different ways they can go with this. I think, I would guess probably Jaylen Walker just because they need some help in the pass rush side of things. So we'll see what the pick is here.

[Vox Lombardi]

I've seen Walker, I've seen Mike Hill, I've seen o line. The Panthers could really use anything, honestly.

[Bobby Belt]

But yeah, the most common one has been Walker, I feel like has been the most common projection for people. But that was also. I think people were putting Walker there because they, they're just like, we don't know what to do with Carolina is how I felt about it. And I think Carolina was trying to figure out what they wanted to do. That's why they were entertaining potential trades.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, this is the team that really. They were even advertising. Listen, we'll take less value for our picks. So I'm really surprised that they weren't able to get anything done because they were saying, listen, we'll move back and we'll work with you, we'll be reasonable here. But for them not to get something done here. But I think Walker makes a lot of sense. He seems the one guy. Guy that's been talked about more in the Charlotte area. If you, if you're listening to their beat writers and stuff. He's a name that they, they've, they've, they've been on since the word go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jalen Walker would be an incredible addition to the defensive line that needs a lot of help. That's the thing about Carolina. They're not one of these teams that has filled the needs across the board and they feel good about it. They just need help in a number of different ways. As we take a look inside the Cowboys war room at the moment, if, let's say the Panthers do go Jalen Walker, they go with that pick that we're kind of expecting here at 8. You go to the New Orleans Saints at 9. That's what in the lead up hour, Bobby, you talked about as a possibility that could end up being a pick that the Cowboys would want. Do you start maybe fielding some calls or starting to initiate some calls if it, let's say they want to go up and get Tetaro and McMillan out of Arizona.

[Bobby Belt]

Feel it with New Orleans, specifically with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The, let's say, saints, bears, 49ers, anybody above them?

[Bobby Belt]

I mean, if so, yeah, if you, I think if you're looking at an opportunity where McMillan's there and you're worried about anybody, then you at least pick up a phone and check.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Have an opportunity to look ahead. All right, going into our number two of the NFL draft, foreign. Lowe's knows Sundays are for football. So tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products and more. Then once your to do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax and enjoy the game. Shop in store, store or online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official partner of the NFL. Get almost anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Well, you can't get a well groomed.

[Tommy Yarish]

Lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parmesan delivered.

[Zach Wolchuk]

A day at the lake?

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no. A burrito bowl?

[Brian Broaddus]

Happily, yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What about a day of sunshine? Sunshine? Not happening. A box of fine wines? Yes, that's happening. Delivery on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Nope.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, then how about some French fries? Yep. A little escape?

[Brian Broaddus]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A delicious bowl of grapes? Yes. Yes, that.

[Zach Wolchuk]

How about a freshly cut lawn?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can't help you there, but barbecued prawns? Order it and it's on its way. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eco Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select Markets product availability may vary by region. See app for details. We are dangerously close to the 12th overall pick where the Dallas Cowboys will be on the clock in a couple of moments. Back here inside the Star in Frisco, just a matter of steps away from the war room, where the Dallas Cowboys continue to talk over what this NFL draft is looking like through the first eight picks as the Panthers have selected their player at eighth overall in the 2025 NFL Draft. We have Brian Broaddus, Vox Lombardi staying on from the last hour. We have Tommy Yarish and Bobby Belt now rejoining us in studio. Bobby, there was a thought the Panthers could have traded out of this eighth overall pick. They do not. The pick is in. What do you think they could be looking at moving forward?

[Bobby Belt]

I mean, the name that's been most common there is Jalen Walker. I mean, obviously the, the best player left on the board to me is, is. No, here comes the pick right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here is Roger to tell us exactly who they were thinking about at eight. With the eighth pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Carolina Panthers select Tetarola McMillan, wide receiver, Arizona. So they go, all right, that's a heartbreaker.

[Brian Broaddus]

That's a team that need. If you look at member Dallas playing in Carolina last year and really with the wide receiver core and what it really looked like for Carolina, you know, like that, that was to me, you know, they just, they're very talent poor on the outside. And so if you go out and get the, you know, depending on where you have Hunter, where you, you know, he probably is the first wide receiver, in my opinion, McMillan would be the next guy. And so if you're a team that's very talent poor at wide receiver, you know, this is one of the. Carolina I think did a really, really good job of making people feel like that they were going to take a defensive player here, but their wide receiver room is not very good. And I feel like that depending on the where you have him, this guy could be your first wide receiver or he could be the second wide receiver. But right there, now this is all turned turns into. The Cowboys have. We feel like that they've probably ready for this, you know, that, that somebody was going to take this player. Now they're going to probably have to pivot and we'll see what direction that their board takes them with McMillan now being off the board.

[Bobby Belt]

They were ready for this. They're not. It doesn't hurt them less though. And not that you're saying that, but like this hurts, hurts them that this Was this is a guy they, they liked a lot. This is, I think, the guy that they really targeted and thought, hey, this can be a difference maker for us. Now. I think that you're talking about a lot of guys that are probably graded similarly. And so if I'm Dallas, I'm looking to. Okay, can I get out of here? Can I get out of 12?

[Brian Broaddus]

Exactly.

[Bobby Belt]

Pick up some extra capital. If not, then I need to start looking for tiebreakers on this stack, which is really, really tight.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, it's going to be really tight. And this also kind of, you know, makes receiver a slam dunk. Kind of takes that aspect of things off the board. You know, Nick just put out a tweet. You know, that interior offensive line and defensive tackle kind of emerged to the forefront here. We were talking about some guys that could fit that mold, like a Tyler Booker from Alabama or Walter Nolan from Ole Miss. And I think Matthew golden, the wide receiver from Texas, is still very much in play. It just comes to, you know, who do they have higher and are they wanting to go best player of any or do they feel like they need a wide receiver that much?

[Vox Lombardi]

Ted was the fifth best player on my board. I'm gonna call him Ted because he's not a cowboy. I'm a disrespect. He. He was the fifth best player on my board. Why in tarnation would he be here at 12th overall? I had to talk myself out of this one just to make sure that I'm ready for it. So now I think the board continues to just kind of open up a little bit, kind of like you guys mentioned. So now we're looking at a couple of receivers. Now we're looking at guard. You know, Simmons was a 30 visit, so if, if they trade back, maybe he's a guy that they're looking at. Campbell, the linebacker from Alabama, possibly. If you can get a trade back situate. I think this all depends on where's your trade back situation. And Jalen Walker's on the board still for you. I think the Cowboys possibly like him too. And Mike Hill was a name that was linked to Cowboys as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, let's. Let's just talk about history, right? They say history repeats itself. Correct. Let's go back to the 2021 NFL Draft. At the eighth overall pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, the Carolina Panthers took a Dallas Cowboys Possible Target and JC Horn. Dallas traded out of the 10th pick, back to the 12th pick and ended up with a guy like Micah Parsons. So could this be history repeating itself? 8th overall pick, Carolina takes a guy that Dallas was looking at throughout the entire draft process and then they trade out of their current pick. Of course, now they're picking at 12 instead of 10 in that spot a little bit closer there, or is this something to where they feel pretty good about that next stack of players? This is what Brian said in the lead up. We're going to learn a lot about how they stacked these players based off of their reaction from this point forward because we kind of felt good about where they had McMillan. Yeah, now you're going to see where they had these guys.

[Brian Broaddus]

I'm interested now to see where Walker from Georgia falls now in this. And you know, and I know this, this doesn't, this doesn't help Cowboy fans and with the offense or help Dak Prescott right now, but they really, really do like Walker and, you know, with him, the potential of him being there. How much do they like him? Do they like him more than they like, you know, do they like him more than a booker? Do they like him more than burden? Do they like him more than golden? You know, you're good, Banks. Booker. There's, there's, there's. That would be the one defensive player I think that they would look at right now that would make them, you know, they got a bunch of offensive guys they're thinking about, but I would keep an eye on, on, on definitely on Walker because he might be the guy that, that defensively that they could absolutely use as a potentially off ball linebacker and be a rusher opposite with Michael Parsons right there.

[Vox Lombardi]

Brian, when you was, when you was talking to the. The Saints Illuminati, did you, did you kind of get the feel.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Brian Broaddus]

The who?

[Vox Lombardi]

Saints Illuminati?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. Did you.

[Vox Lombardi]

Brian. Brian knows exactly what I'm saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did you kind of look down at the table, did you, did you get.

[Vox Lombardi]

To feel that Ted was the only player that they were looking at as far as like wide receiver goes? Like you said that. Hey, Kelly, use some weapons. But did you feel like he was the only wide receiver?

[Brian Broaddus]

I did feel that and I did feel that.

[Vox Lombardi]

Well, this is Walker right here. This should be Walker on is like he, he should be the ninth overall pick to the same.

[Bobby Belt]

Everybody, everybody I talked to around the league thought when I would ask about McMillan, everybody around the league thought offensive defensive line, that they were going to go trenches here, and so that that's what they thought the Saints would do now that McMillan's gone. I think that's definitely. It's one of those two sides.

[Tommy Yarish]

Here's the pick. J.

[Vox Lombardi]

Welcome.

[Kyle Yeomans]

With the ninth pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select Kelvin Banks Jr. Tackle, Texas. Kelvin Banks Jr. A little bit of a curveball here. We did talk about Kellen Moore wanting offensive firepower. Yeah, we thought that would come from quarterback, running back, wide receiver. This is another way to do so.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, Kelvin Banks, this is. I think this is a great pick for new head coach Kellen Moore. I've got him as my number one offensive tackle. You can call me at homer all you want. Yeah, university, you call me a Texas homer all you want. I don't care. I think he's one of, if not the most athletic tackle in this draft. He's got great feet, gets off the line really quick, has more than enough power to hold his own and pass protection. I think he can play left tackle in the NFL, but if you move him into guard, I don't necessarily think that there's going to be any sort of drop off either. I think he does really good on the move as a puller. Handles twists and stunts really well in combo blocks. He's really good. Smaller size and the shorter arms, that's going to raise the question, but he can play at a really high level. Three year starter, this guy shut down Will Anderson. His second ever collegiate game. I love this pick and I love Kelvin Banks. He's a great kid. Every conversation I've had with him has been a very good one and I think he's going to have a very successful career in the NFL.

[Kyle Yeomans]

One of the top offensive linemen in this year's NFL draft on his way to New Orleans. We're through the first nine picks. We've got three selection until the Cowboys have their newest roster member coming up in just a matter of moments. Because of that, we'll step aside a bit early here. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys radio network and Dallas cowboys dot com.

[Vox Lombardi]

So I'm assuming that's them punting on Trevor Painting. I guess because.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, they didn't. They didn't sign. They're not going to sign him to the fifth year option.

[Vox Lombardi]

Fuaga, left tackle. And I assume Banks would be the right tackle. I guess.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, probably.

[Bobby Belt]

So did they. I didn't even hear did. I didn't notice. Did they announce him as tackle?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Guard?

[Kyle Yeomans]

They say offensive line said offensive line or. No, it says tackle. Yeah, it has a tackle on there. Pick is in for Chicago at 10. I mean, let's go back to Banks. Here just for a little bit because. Was there an outside shot? Dallas liked him enough to take 12?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I think so. I think that once that, that, that McMillan went. Now these offensive linemen are clearly in play. And Banks and Booker and those guys. Absolutely, absolutely. And Gray Zabel, these are all guys that were going to be in play along with some of the other, you know, potentially the wide receivers and maybe something also with the, with, you know, some defensive linemen. So yeah, this was, this was one of those guys that they, they clearly liked.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who needs to fly off the board in these next two selections at 10 and 11 in order to, I think, talk trade out and wipeout scenario?

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, I, well, I think to me, if you, if you want to maybe have an opportunity for a guy that, like I say, if you're interested in Walker and all that, I think that you need to think about Warren going off the board here and then maybe maybe Nolan going off the board from Ole Miss. Okay, so tight end, tackle might set you up for a guy that you're going to, that you're looking at.

[Bobby Belt]

I would feel like this is Warren. That would make a lot of sense.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's the name that's been plugged to Chicago a lot. Lot. Yeah, I think that, you know, Ben Johnson and what he's wanting to do. You look at a two tight end set with Warren and Cole Comet and that's going to be something that could really do some things for Chicago on the offensive side of the ball. Especially since, you know, you've already got DJ Moore and, excuse me, Roma Dunze in that wide receiver room. It's good looking offense to start there for Ben Johnson in Chicago.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They have a couple of reporters up talking on the screen. I don't believe this is the actual pick, but the pick is in for Chicago. Chicago. We'll see if they give us who it is momentarily. Bears 49ers, Cowboys trade out scenario there. Bobby, if, let's say one of their offensive linemen, one of their. Matthew golden off the board, something like that.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, I mean, I think they reached their trade out scenario when they lost McMillan. So I think they're at a point now where they'd be interested and it's not because they don't have guys that they would dislike. I don't think they can get wide.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wiped here because they have so many guys, they feel like they can go back.

[Bobby Belt]

They have so much here. I think that for them they would probably look at this and say, okay, we've got a lot of different options here. Let's just move back, try and pick up some extra capital because the guy that would have been a difference maker is McMillan. Like I think McMillan was essentially the wipeout quote, unquote. But it's not like they don't have options that they don't like. It's just that was the guy they really liked. So now I don't think it's really feasible for them to just get completely wiped of guys that they like and they're just looking to try and pick up some extra capital.

[Brian Broaddus]

Which one of these guys you think at wide receiver they like the best? If they're going to hang in there and pick a wide receiver?

[Bobby Belt]

If they hung in there now, yeah, golden.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I think it'd be buka.

[Bobby Belt]

I think it's gold.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The originally I thought it was golden. I think just some of the conversations over the last 48 hours, I think a bucket is higher on their board than they thought. Is it enough to take a 12?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Maybe not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Maybe it's a 44 conversation here's the Bears selection and pick number number 10. Yesterday, the NFL family lost a true legend, Bears hall of famer Steve McMichael. My heart is with the McMichael family during this incredibly difficult time. Misty, Please know that you are in our thoughts and prayers. Mongo's remarkable contributions to the game and the community will never be forgotten. His legacy will continue to inspire generations to come. 50 years ago with the fourth pick, Roger Goodell is on the podium giving us the 10th overall selection in the Chicago Bears team. Teammates and closest friends Walter Payton running back Jackson State honoring Walter Payton and Steve McMichael go on to rush for nearly 17,000 yards and 110 touchdowns over 13 seasons, all with the Chicago Bears.

[Brian Broaddus]

As you heard earlier, the NFL continues.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To honor Sweetness not only for his performance and excellence on the field, but also his commitment to give back to his community with the Walter Payton NFL man of the Year award. So with the 10th pick in the.

[Brian Broaddus]

2025 NFL Draft.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Chicago Bears so select Colston Lin.

[Vox Lombardi]

Wow. Michigan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Vox Lombardi]

Jeez.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now that over Warren is an interesting selection.

[Vox Lombardi]

Brian, what round you got? Loveland. Brian.

[Brian Broaddus]

I got Loveland. I've got him in the second behind all those guys, though. All behind. I have, I have Warren and then I, I have a Taylor and then Loveland behind. So all those guys were in the second round for me.

[Vox Lombardi]

I got him in third behind Fanon Taylor and I've got him in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Late second is where I'm at. And he's the third tight End on my board behind Arroyo. Yes, I said Arroyo and Warren. Warren's number one. But Loveland here at 10 overall. I mean, Tommy, you were talking about tight end making sense, but over Tyler Warren?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, over Tyler Warren. I don't know what Ryan polls is cooking here. I mean, this is. I'm not saying that, you know, Colson Loveland's a bad player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's.

[Tommy Yarish]

He's. He's my tight end. Three as well. Two six foot five, 248 pounds. He was kind of banged up at some points last year for Michigan and didn't look his best, but. Yeah, that's. That's an interesting one for sure. I wonder if that moves Warren into a potential spot for. For Dallas at 12.

[Vox Lombardi]

Would it be the movement? Like Loveland seems to be a. Like a better moving player than. Than Warren. Do you. Do you think that that's what put him over the edge here? Because I don't think Loveland, besides the movement, I don't think Loveland does a thing better than Warren here.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, maybe. I mean, I don't know. I think Warren is just all around the better player, you know, the athlete that he is and what he was able to do for Penn State in that offense. He was playing quarterback, running back and wide receiver. He was doing everything.

[Vox Lombardi]

Team suck at draft. The match.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Quick, quick note. The pick is in for San Francisco at 11. The Dallas Cowboys are officially on the clock at pick number 12.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay, San Francisco that we talked about that maybe this had to be a tight end. Now you hope. Excuse me. For Chicago, tied in the one that we didn't think. We thought another one, but here we go. I think that San Francisco right now, this pick needs to be maybe Nolan if you want to. If Dallas is kind of, you know. I think Dallas likes Nolan. Bobby, am I right about that?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, Dallas does.

[Nick Harris]

Like.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay, but would they like him enough to take him at 12?

[Bobby Belt]

I think potentially in some. In some settings they would.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay, well, so you know, but it. Depending. It didn't sound like you had a whole lot of confidence. They really liked the guy. So if that's the case.

[Bobby Belt]

No, they like him. I just know they like a lot of guys and it depends on what's the context.

[Brian Broaddus]

I will. Captain, who the guys then you have left that you. Do you think that they might. I mean, I personally think. I think this is when the offensive line are in play.

[Vox Lombardi]

Brian, I got a pin in my. My hand.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay.

[Vox Lombardi]

Yeah. D line maybe, you know, like what about edge? You think maybe like Mikel Williams or something like that. Maybe like a corner or something.

[Brian Broaddus]

Like what? For San Francisco?

[Kyle Yeomans]

San Francisco, Yo.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think they're taking a defensive lineman.

[Vox Lombardi]

I think a corner edge.

[Brian Broaddus]

They've talked about. They talked about defensive tackle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Well, I remember how many guys they just got rid of, too, in that front set. Yeah, I mean, they're going to need some help up front. And I think, would Mikel Williams be a fake pin throw for in here, but maybe an active.

[Bobby Belt]

Not for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For Dallas.

[Bobby Belt]

Not for me. I mean, I like, I like Mikel Williams, but I think for them, Mikel Williams is one of a cluster of guys that could be considered at 12.

[Vox Lombardi]

Because he's also a guy that can do edge things and, and he can do B gap things. That just kind of got me thinking about it. You know, San Francisco had a big roster turnover, you know, just over, just over this, this last, this last offseason here. So I'm just thinking, man, maybe D line, maybe corner. That's kind of where I'm at with it. Maybe offensive line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But let's try and read some tea leaves here. We're looking at the Dallas Cowboys war room here at the Star in Frisco. Conversations back and forth between multiple players. Stephen on the right side, Jerry in the middle. Brian Schottenheimer on the left. Kind of covered up by our screen is Will McClay. He's in that corner, right where the screen is, where we are at the moment. If I'm going to play my media.

[Bobby Belt]

Steven's on the phone.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There we go.

[Tommy Yarish]

Picked up the phone.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, that's. That's. That's significant.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, that's significant because if it's a play, Will's going to pick up the phone.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, if. Will. Will's going to. Will. Will McClay sitting back on the right side of the screen. If it's. They're going to draft somebody, he is going to make the call for the player. Stephen has taken the phone call from somebody else on one of these other teams and maybe this is something that they talked about with another team earlier because Stephen reached over to Jerry and tapped him on the shoulder like, okay, this is something that we've, that we've talked about here. So Steven's. He's going to take what this team is going to be offering offer and. Okay, puts the phone down there. And so he's. He's going to kind of see what that offer might be and then kind of talk about it with the rest of the group.

[Vox Lombardi]

Clock's going to run all the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're going to take every single time of this whole thing. I mean, this is going to be the entire time. Ten minutes is what they have on the clock. We're still waiting on San Francisco's selection at pick number 11. That is in. So the 10. 10 minutes is probably, what, three or four minutes down by this point. They still have a long time to debate.

[Vox Lombardi]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In the first round.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Vox Lombardi]

And we're finally live on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

On.

[Vox Lombardi]

On YouTube. What's up, my people?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, there you go. Your guys are here now. Taking some laughs, you know, a little bit of back and forth. Where do you give me your short list of names here, gentlemen? What are we thinking?

[Bobby Belt]

Michael Williams, Tyler Booker, Matthew Golden, Walter Nolan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm kind of right there.

[Bobby Belt]

I think those are the names we're looking at.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep. Or trade or a trade out. And I think that might be the conversation. He's.

[Brian Broaddus]

Stephen's back on the phone again here. That was a question. Quick one that. So he probably think, like, no, that wasn't enough. Or it was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So, hey, we'll take it and hang up.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, let's see.

[Bobby Belt]

What was it usually?

[Kyle Yeomans]

A little bit more. If you do accept a trade.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, there's a little bit more. Because what happens is once you accept the trade, then you've got to turn the trade in with the league is what you're doing. So they look like right now they're kind of content waiting this thing out right now, unless they've already made the trade, and then they're just kind of waiting it out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But Wills on his cell phone, Any.

[Vox Lombardi]

Chance that it's Hampton for, like, you know, Dallas thinking about Hampton running back specifically?

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think there's a. I mean, there's a chance, but I. I doubt. I highly doubt.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would put all four names that we just talked about over.

[Tommy Yarish]

I agree.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So, specifically, they're all looking at the tv. There's not a whole lot of conversation here.

[Vox Lombardi]

Tyler Warren's another name. Jade A. Baron is another name.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, their draft board is either one.

[Brian Broaddus]

Way or the other.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's either. They're looking straight ahead at the draft.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think they're looking at the screen. I think the draft boards to their. To their.

[Bobby Belt]

Will's getting the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To the left of the screen.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. So Will's. Wait. Will. Will McClay. When he picks up that phone, they're gonna. They're gonna make a pick. And he's to the right of the screen as you look at it right now. So he's. He's looking at it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's hovering.

[Brian Broaddus]

Jerry's Trying to Jerry's or arguing with Stephen a little bit about something here. Like they. Like Jerry reached over and touched him on the wrist.

[Vox Lombardi]

And that hand wave means.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I don't know. Stephen might. You know what? They're kind of laughing about things. Jerry looks pretty serious here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he really does. And Brian Schottenheimer just again, reading Body language and tea leaves. Brian Schottheimer has not really had a whole lot of conversation in this scenario.

[Vox Lombardi]

Big exam.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here's the selection for the 49ers. We are proud to announce that this year we are celebrating our 250th anniversary. We are grateful for the opportunity to partner with the NFL salute to service.

[Nick Harris]

And the USO in introducing the San.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Francisco 49ers 2025 draft pick with the San Francisco 49ers draft pick back to you in Green Bay.

[Vox Lombardi]

Appreciate y'.

[Brian Broaddus]

All.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So here comes the commissioner now with that pick. Still a conversation with Jerry. Here's the 49ers chance of USA mixed in with requisite booze for the Niners here in packers country. To our men and women who serve in the United States military, for your sacrifices to defend our country's freedom. With the election, 11th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers select Mikel Williams.

[Vox Lombardi]

Okay, gotta throw this pin.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I'm.

[Vox Lombardi]

I'm throwing this damn pin.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Edge rusher.

[Bobby Belt]

Will's on the phone.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Georgia Will is on the phone. That means it looks like a trade did not go through.

[Vox Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And here we go. The pick is in.

[Vox Lombardi]

Got some names.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then unofficially, the pick is in. In.

[Vox Lombardi]

Are any coaches in there that we can kind of get a hand from?

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what we're trying to look at.

[Brian Broaddus]

Coaches smart nowadays, right? They're standing to the right hand side kind of stand. Fire.

[Bobby Belt]

I think this is.

[Tommy Yarish]

This looks like a draft pick.

[Bobby Belt]

I think this is going to be offensive line.

[Brian Broaddus]

You think it's. You think it's be Booker?

[Bobby Belt]

I think we're looking at Booker.

[Vox Lombardi]

Probably got some hand claps, got some hugs. We got to stand up now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The pick is made. I'm going to go with you, Bob, here. I think just the tea leaves that we had been hearing. Gray Zable, Tyler Booker. It felt like it was stronger for Booker as we got deeper and deeper into this draft day.

[Vox Lombardi]

Zable didn't even make sense. Let's just. Let's just be honest.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that was a smoke screen, man.

[Tommy Yarish]

Brian Schottenheim.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There was a lot of conversation here. This was not an easy decision.

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, I think with McMillan going off the board, then, you know, they were.

[Tommy Yarish]

That changed things.

[Brian Broaddus]

That changed things a lot for them. It really, really did. So I'm. If in fact it is. I know Vodch, you and I do our show together and you've been a fan of Booker all along. If this in fact is the pick.

[Vox Lombardi]

So it'll be a, it'll be a happy day for sure if it's Tyler Booker. And you know, you would, you would, you would make the interior powerful. You know, we always say that Dak is really good dealing with those, you know, those, those edge rushers.

[Bobby Belt]

Clayton Adams is on the phone, by the way.

[Vox Lombardi]

Clayton Adams on the phone. If tackle breaks down for you, you of got to feel that Dak can handle that. But it's when B gap breaks down. It's when a gap breaks down that we really had these issues. So if you could really fix guard and you, and you're powerful at right guard, you're powerful at left guard, you're powerful at center, then you're really, you're really solid for that front there. So if, if this is indeed Booker, I take it back, you're not just solid, like you're strong as hell up in there. You're really mauling people up in there.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, he's, I, I, I personally would love Booker. He's my guard. 1, 6, mine 2, 3, 21. No sacks allowed last year. First team all American. This guy's hard to move, man. Hard to move. He's a great run blocker. Gets to the second level really well. Brian Schoenheimer has not been secretive about the fact that he wants to run the ball and be physical up front. This is exactly the type of guy that he would want and he's looking for.

[Bobby Belt]

Looks like the pick is in it looks like. Is that Connor Riley over there?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that is.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, he's making his way to the middle there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So it looks like our dream of Matthew Golden & Co. Co. Is no longer there. Here's Roger to Goodell to give you the newest Dallas Cowboy at pick number 12. With the 12th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Tyler.

[Vox Lombardi]

Booker. Let's go, Alabama. Here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here. You've been on them from the very beginning. Lombardi. I'll let you do the honors. The, the search committee wasn't out for very long to find Tyler or, excuse me, Zach Martin's replacement at the right guard spot. They get Tyler Booker up front. They've had some success drafting some Tyler's in the.

[Vox Lombardi]

Past. That is guard. 1 8th overall player on my board. Powerful as all get out. He's looking to finish. He's mean, he is physical. We should all get behind this pick. I understand wide receiver was something we was looking for, but you get to be mean and you get to be powerful. Jerry Jones mentioned this last week, man, running back is cool, but when your offensive line is good, it helps the running back even more. Tyler Booker is looking to finish. He is looking to drive. He is looking to whoop people. He plays with fantastic leverage to be his size. And one thing I love, just me being Cowboy fan. We're not talking to Cowboy fans. The one matchup you love is going against the Eagles. Jalen Walker is over there and we have Tyler Smith. That's a powerful guy that can deal with a guy like that. He could deal with Jordan Davis. Now you have a guard that's similar to that. So when you go against the Eagles, you're going against the Giants, the 49ers. If you run into the Vikings wagons in the postseason, you have two guards and a powerful center. That's what's most important here. We don't have a center that's just going to stale me. We don't have a left guard that's going to stab me or right guard. You got three people pushers in the middle. Let Dak Prescott deal with the edges. Let Terence Steel and Tyler Guy and continue to work on that. You can use tight ends to help those guys in the middle. There's not a bunch of help there. If you're in B Gap, you're one on one with this B Gap guy. You have three, three guards now. Well, BB's a center, but you got one of you got three players in that inside that can, that can, that can, that can move bodies. Run game is about to be physical, ladies and.

[Brian Broaddus]

Gentlemen. Yeah. I just had a scout from one of the teams in the National Football League text me and said Booker was my favorite player in my.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Area.

[Bobby Belt]

Wow. Yeah, Booker is. Look, I think they had a lot of guys that were close here. I think what wins out for Booker is a lot of of what Brian Schottenheimer's talked.

[Vox Lombardi]

About. Well, Chuck, please say something. I know you ain't on the clock right now, but please say.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Something. People mover. I'm down for it, boys. I'm here for this. I love Tyler Booker. Mean nasty. I'm.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Happy. It's the third time in the last four years the Dallas Cowboys have taken an offensive lineman in the first round of the NFL Draft and just it so happens to be. It's the third time in the last four drafts they've taken an offensive lineman with the first name. Tyler. Tyler Smith, Tyler Guyton, now Tyler Booker up front. And that's what they're doing with this. This overall pick. Now the apparently. And this is coming from those within the building. Houston was the team that was on the clock or that was on the phone. Yeah, Houston was the one that wanted to make the trade. Apparently it was a low ball offer initially. Stephen called back, wanted something more. Houston said no. So that's where the kind of breakdown happened from a trade scenario. So side. And they decided to stick and pick with a guy that they had very high on their board. We'll hear what, of course, the Jones family front office and everybody has to say when they get to that point later on. But you feel pretty good about it because they feel pretty.

[Bobby Belt]

Good. They don't have. They feel like they're not guessing at all on this.

[Vox Lombardi]

One.

[Bobby Belt]

Yes. They feel like not only is he. Do they know exactly what he is. Look, the only question I think you can really have about Tyler Booker when you watch him on tape is just. It's literally just the.

[Brian Broaddus]

Athleticism.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah. If you're somebody who, who wants a guard in this modern NFL to be able to, you know, pull and get to the edge really quickly and get up to the second level with the best of them, yeah, that's not going to be him. But everything else checks the box. And for them, I think they look at it and say, we've got so many guys here that are graded similarly. Where are our tiebreakers? And I think with their tiebreakers, it's, we want to be better in the run game. We want to rebuild the trenches. And a big part of this is this guy is like all world leadership football character. They. They don't have any sort of questions about the type of makeup that he has. He very famously, last summer at SEC media days, Saban had picked Georgia and Texas in the SEC title game. And they asked Tyler Booker about it. And he said, he always said that some guy that lives in his mom's basement shouldn't determine how you feel. So I'm not going to let a guy who plays golf all day determine how I feel. Talk to him and just flipped it. And that's the kind of mentality you're getting. You're getting a captain, you're getting a. Not just a guy who gets in the way when he's blocking. He's finishing every single time he is a bulldozer. He is. He is going to change the temperament and the makeup of the offensive.

[Vox Lombardi]

Line versus dudes like he's, he's whooping Georgia guys, Ole Miss.

[Brian Broaddus]

Guys. Bunch of big games. A bunch of big.

[Bobby Belt]

Games. Mental. Mental processor. You want to talk about on the twist, the stunts and especially watch, if you, if you have access to watch him play against Georgia, watch the way he handles the legend late front, like the late shifts in the front that the, that Kirby Smart loves to do. He handles that as well as just about anybody. He's got a handle on all.

[Vox Lombardi]

That, picking up stunts and looking for work and finishing guys like he has it. And you know, Bobby, like you said, the only thing that you know you can really worry about is like the lateral movement. So if he's not going to be the pin the pool guy, let him be the pin guy. Let him be the block down guy. Let him focus on whooping and driving. And you got, you have many athletic offensive linemen on your line right now. And, and I just think this is a damn slam dunk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pick. Yeah, well, you look at it too. And this is the year in the off season where you got to retire two of your legitimate ring of honor and possible hall of Fame members off of your offensive line. Tyron Smith, Zach Martin are both retired. They're done. But now you get an opportunity to remake that offensive line and you do it in one pick. Now you've got left tackle Tyler Guyton, left guard Tyler Smith, center Cooper bb, right guard Tyler Booker, right tackle Terrence Steele. I, I mean, you're looking at that starting five and you feel very confident about what you're going to put on the table moving forward. So with all that being said, we've got some Miller.

[Vox Lombardi]

Light. We can do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This. 50 year cans. Yes, we can do this. We are actually encouraged to do this. To cheers the pick. Everybody cheers to Miller Light. Cheers to the.

[Brian Broaddus]

Draft.

[Tommy Yarish]

Cheers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cheers. It's Miller time. It's draft time. It's always time. Congratulations, Dallas Cowboys. You got yourself a people mover up front and you've got yourself an offensive lineman to remake that front. Thank you, Zach Wolchek, for running in Spears. We'll talk to Zach a little bit further down the.

[Vox Lombardi]

Line. Kyle, please. Yes, of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Course. I Twitter on the.

[Vox Lombardi]

20. I imagine that there's going to be some Cowboy fans going, but. All right, guys, what about wide receiver? Do you think that that's going to be the trade that Jerry was talking about a couple of days ago? That may maybe that they feel like they're going to find a wide receiver somewhere. Let's get offensive line right now. Because we can't maybe find an offensive line. Like we can find a wide.

[Tommy Yarish]

Receiver, wide receiver or corner or that would be the two that I would keep an eye on in terms of Jerry said, what was the word he used? Substantive trades is what they're looking at. I think that's the two spots that you look at. And just because you want to go physical up front here, I think that with how much they like the running back depth now, that kind of, this kind of shifts my attention around to. They've told us with this pick that they want to emphasize running the football and being physical up front. So they're going to find a guy here in the second or third round. I think that matches that kind of playstyle in the backfield as a running back. That's just my two cents. That's what this pick tells.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Me. No, I agree with you completely because they've, they've got. It goes back to the question that Brian was, was posing in the lead up hour. Where do you feel like these positions can reach? I don't think you looked at offensive line as a position that would reach till the third, fourth, fifth rounds, Brian. But you can maybe look at wide receiver. You can maybe look at defensive tackle. Corners are one. That's kind of depending on how you see the class specifically. Maybe they thought, let's get our offensive lineman early, we'll figure the rest out later this.

[Brian Broaddus]

Weekend. Yeah, you know, to me the, the McMillan pick really hurt them, but did, but to give them credit, they, they adjusted well, you know, and they, they talked about wanting to run the football. Football. They talk about wanting to be physical. And I think the next point of emphasis is that we talk about a wide receiver to try and help Dak here. But I think it's going to be about the running back. Can you pair a physical running back with this guard that you just drafted? And now your running game does improve and that's the things that are going to help Dak Prescott. You know, this, this kid right here is when you look at Booker, everything about him screaming extremes, toughness. And you know, I think there's plug and play right there at right tackle. Looks like the Dolphins picks in, so let's get that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Done. The Miami Dolphins select Kenneth Grant, defensive.

[Bobby Belt]

Tackle. I like him. That's early. That was earlier than I was.

[Brian Broaddus]

Expecting. I got him at 19 on my board myself. So I was pretty happy about.

[Bobby Belt]

That. Is, I would guess I talked to people. People I talked to were pretty sure Gantt was. Grant was going to go in the first round.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Today. Because I know there's some talk he could slip into the second round. The other two that you heard about were Nolan and Harmon after Mason Graham. And I think there's questions about both of those players for the league. Grant is considered a clean prospect in terms of health, character, everything else. And he is. I've never seen a guy that size move the way he does when I watched him train out in Frisco or in Plano a couple months ago. And he is just an incredibly explosive athlete and somebody who absolutely loves.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Game of Thrones football, no doubt. We've got to take our break. When we come back, there's a lot to look forward to. We're going to hear from the newest Dallas Cowboy, Tyler Booker. And with everything we just talked about, I cannot wait to get him on the phone line. Plus, Secret Audio is right around the corner as well. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network and Dallas Cowboys.com I really can't wait for that conversation with Tyler. You get an opportunity to kind of talk about. About his thought process, how it all unfolded, where it all went from here. I really do think this is a conversation moving forward that we're going to like having. It's not the exciting and skill player type of pick that we're going to have a ton.

[Vox Lombardi]

Of. This is exciting, Cal. How dare.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You? Well, I'm talking about from a content standpoint at training.

[Brian Broaddus]

Camp. Well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It'S. We're going to be out there at Oxdarn. It's not going to be Ted Roa McMillan catching the.

[Brian Broaddus]

Football. It's very interesting because maybe this is what we saw in the war room with Stephen tapping Jerry on the arm, that we were kind of hearing some things that Jerry Jones was. He wanted some firepower. He wanted some. He wanted some guys that, you know, and they lose the opportunity with, you know, with McMillan, but, you know, they're trying to rally from that. But here's a guy, like I say, this is a plug and play guy. This guy we need. Now, the one thing that I do know working for Jerry Jones is it's about, like the center and guard play. It's about the. It's about the depth of the pocket. It's about your quarterback's ability. Let's be honest, Dak Prescott's mobility could be a little bit lower, you know, and his ability to be able to step up is Going to mean a lot for this offense going forward and them wanting to run the football, they've got to. You know, you saw what happened, you know, with Zach Martin. The level of play went down. They replaced Zach Martin. They got better running the football. This guy is an upgrade of helping you do that him. BB these guys, there's a lot of power now in those inside three. And you play in a division and like I think we've talked about, about that. Va, I think you brought it up. When you play in a division where they've got some monsters inside, you got to be able to hold.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That. Here's the Colts selection at pick number 14 in the first.

[Brian Broaddus]

Round. God, could they get the tight end.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here. In the 20, 25 NFL Draft, the Indianapolis Colts select Tyler.

[Vox Lombardi]

Warren. Yeah, Penn State, you've been mocked to Loveland for months and you get the better.

[Brian Broaddus]

Dude. Yeah. That is so.

[Bobby Belt]

Crazy.

[Brian Broaddus]

Right? Right now. Yeah. I'll tell you what, this guy is a heck of a football player. When you watch all the things that he is able to do, they line him up in a ton of different spots and he's able to have success, like at all the levels. And I think he got better too, as a run blocker as he went along. He's not like your traditional, like inline wide, but man, he could play him flex, you could play him slot. He will play a little inline, but he's not your traditional guy. This guy's got a natural hands guy catcher. He does a really good job of extending his hands in order to receive the ball. Good job of coming off. I thought he was kind of a little bit of a clunky route runner. There's really not much fluidity to his play. But watch him bang into defenders and then kind of push off and then get his separation that he needs. So I'll tell you what, this guy right here is super reliable hands. I remember the Colts way back in the day. They drafted a guy named Dallas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Clark, you know, and he played out pretty.

[Brian Broaddus]

Well. He played a long time for the Colts and was very, very successful. They probably got him another one right.

[Vox Lombardi]

Here. Back to the Cowboys. And Booker, if I could just say something too, you know, in the last draft situation that, you know, Jerry Jones and all the guys, they went up on the press conference there. He was like, hey, you know, Saquon woke everybody up. Do you think that meant like, okay, well, we've seen Saquon behind a bad offensive line and he was this. But then we saw Saquon behind a really good offensive line. And he was this. So do you think that maybe that was like a hidden message for everybody that, you know, hey, let's build the old line and then get the running back and see, you know, where that takes.

[Bobby Belt]

Us? I mean, that very well could be it. I think that in general, though, they just, they were thinking about difference makers in the run game, however that plays itself out. So if it's. If for some reason Genti had gotten down to them, that makes a difference. If it's, you know, you're talking about the offensive line and what you can improve there, that makes a difference. So I think in general, yeah, that's, that's a function of it. But I don't know that he was just explicitly talking about that in and of itself. But it does raise the question. Now. He certainly was talking about all aspects of it. If they go to 44 and they pick a running back. Because now you're making a strong statement about the running game with those first two.

[Tommy Yarish]

Picks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Looking ahead at the upcoming picks, Falcons at 15, Cardinals at 16, Bengals at 17, Seahawks 18, Buccaneers 19. And the Broncos, who everybody thought maybe could be trading up in this drop draft, still sitting there at pick number 20. The Falcons are on the clock at the moment. We'll run down the picks momentarily when we get back on the radio side of things on the Dallas Cowboys radio network. I think for the most part, when we look at how this first round has gone, it's not as explosive as we maybe thought it would be. Maybe the Loveland pick the trade up for the Jacksonville side to get Travis Hunter. Hunter. I mean, Bobby. I still feel like there's a lot that can unfold from 15 down to 32 that could turn some heads.

[Bobby Belt]

Today. Yeah. Especially with how tight everybody seems to have these guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Tommy Yarish]

And. And.

[Kyle Yeomans]

More. Then once your to do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax and enjoy the game. Shop in store online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's official partner of the NFL. Get almost anything you need delivered with UberEats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake, that's a no. A Philly cheesesteak, that's a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no. A burrito bowl. Happily, yes. Yes. What about A day of sunshine. Not happening. A box of fine wines. Yes, that is happening. Delivery is on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? No. Well, then how about some french fries? Yep. A little escape. No. A delicious bowl of grapes? Yes. Yes, that. How about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But barbecued prawns? Order it and it's on its way. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber E Eats. Order now. Alcohol and select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. From the star in Frisco. We continue on of our coverage of the NFL draft. Let's run down the most recent selection, starting with the Carolina Panthers. Panthers. At pick number eight, they take Tetaro A. McMillan, wide receiver from Arizona. The Cowboys had a target on him. The Panthers take him instead. The New Orleans Saints underneath first year head coach Kellen Moore, take Kelvin Banks Jr. Offensive tackle out of Texas. The Bears with a surprise pick at 10, they take Colston Loveland, tight end from Michigan. The 49ers, right before the Cowboys take Mikel Williams, edge rusher from Georgia. The Cowboys take Tyler Booker, offensive guard out of Alabama, possibly remaking this front five to something special underneath a young group of hungry offensive linemen. 13. The Dolphins select Kenneth Grant, interior defensive lineman from Michigan. And then the Colts get their guy, Tyler Warren, tight end from Penn State. At 14. The Falcons are on the clock. They have about three minutes remaining in their selection at pick number 15 alongside Bobby Belton. Brian Bart brought us of 153 the fan. We've got Tommy Yarish of Dallas Cowboys.com vouch Lombardi on the draft show with Chris Beam and company in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. All right. With the way that things have worked out these last couple of picks, I think you got to look at Indianapolis of being the big winners today. Vauch in getting a tight end that they maybe didn't think they had a shot.

[Vox Lombardi]

At. I can just, I could just feel the, the happiness and the love from Colts fans that's been looking at mock drafts and you know, they've just been saying, hey, Colston Loveland is your guy. Colson Loveland's your guy. And you walk away with Tyler Warren, bonafide tight end one. And if you're the Colts, you really want to make things as easy for Richardson as you possibly can. You know he's still franchise quarterback for you right now and they're trying to bring him along and maybe they're on the fence about him. So maybe this is one last hurrah. Like, hey, Anthony, we're going to give you this weapon, this bonafide tight end that catches everything. He goes up and catches it, even if the pass is great. Tyler Warren catches everything. And I think this is one of those picks where you really have to think about your. Your pastor, because you've. You've given them such a great pass catcher. So we'll see what Colts fans think about that. But fantastic pick. Fantastic value.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Too. All the value there specifically. It looks like the pick is in for the Falcons, but we're going to have to wait until Roger Goodell tells us who they.

[Bobby Belt]

Selected. Diana Rossini. Just for what it's worth, after people were throwing their pens about Ted McMillan at pick eight. Diana Rossini says that teams were saying that the Rams were calling around looking to get in the top 10 and that they wanted to get.

[Kyle Yeomans]

McMillan.

[Bobby Belt]

Wow. So you were, you were probably not going to be able to make that one work, regardless of what the Panthers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did. That goes back to that conversation of Dallas had the mock drafts all the way through. Talking about specifically Ted McMillan at. @.

[Brian Broaddus]

Pick number. I think you had to be prepared. And I think the Cowboys were. I mean, they, they obviously had a pocket of players that they really, really liked. The question always was like, as we were talking a couple weeks ago, okay, if not McMillan, golden, you know, we immediately thought then the last couple of days, I know I've been on some platforms, I'm like, listen, folks, we got to think about now that maybe it's McMillan and Golden is a little bit further down that list and who are the players in between. And obviously on their board, you know, that Booker was a higher guy on their stack and, you know, applaud them for. For doing. They didn't. I don't believe they jumped any tags here. I think they took the guy absolutely. That they wanted out of. Out of that stack, because once, once McMillan was gone, now it's like, okay, let's focus. You know, and maybe that's where Jerry's like, okay, firepower here. And then Stephen goes Jerry the guard. It's very similar, maybe very reminiscent to what was happening with Zach Martin several years ago with.

[Tommy Yarish]

That. Yeah. And if that career trajectory turns out similarly, that I think think this, the Cowboys fans are going to smile back on this pick. But, you know, I, I think, you know, we, we talked so much about getting Dak Prescott help, and we thought that that meant, you know, the wide receiver game. And it still does. Right. I think, I think it still does. But I think.

[Brian Broaddus]

Maybe.

[Tommy Yarish]

We. We. We maybe overlook sometimes as part of, hey, we. This guy's getting. He's know he's had some injuries the last couple of years. He's getting up there in age. Not that he's ancient or anything like that, but getting him some protection on up front is going to be crucial and on the interior especially. Games are one in the trenches at any level of football. I've said that a million times since you guys hired me. And so I think that this is going to be one that, you know, if it pans out, because that's the big if, too. It has to pan out and he's got to take that right guard spot and not let it go. This could be something that everybody's smiling on. Looking back in four or.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Five years. Well, you know, something that we are going to smile at is getting to hear the secret audio from inside the war room. Here it is. Tyler Booker, the newest Dallas as Cowboy. Hey, this is Jerry Jones with Cowboys returning. You in.

[Vox Lombardi]

Yes, sir. Thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So much. Congratulations, boy. We're glad to have you as.

[Bobby Belt]

A cowboy. I'm glad to be.

[Vox Lombardi]

A cowboy. Glad to.

[Bobby Belt]

Keep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It. Okay. Well, man, listen, we're proud.

[Brian Broaddus]

Of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You. Congratulations. Tell you folks how proud we are.

[Brian Broaddus]

Of you. But here's your.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Will do. Here's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Your head. Yes, sir.

[Vox Lombardi]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sir. Tyler. Coach Shotty, man. What's going on, Coach? Hey, man. Hey, listen, you blew us up away in the.

[Vox Lombardi]

Process, brother. Just here's what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We need. You just come here.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Be you. You.

[Vox Lombardi]

Kick ass. Welcome to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The family. We are so excited. We just want that, that, that same dude every day. Be physical. Yes, sir. You're gonna get as long as we can listen to that Whitney Houston you was listening to.

[Vox Lombardi]

That day. Yeah, hey, no doubt about that, man. Hey, I want you to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Talk to our offensive coordinator, Clayton Adams. Congratulations, man. Yes, sir. So fired up. You're a cowboy, baby. Yes, sir. All right, hold on. Here's co Coach Adams.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay, book. What's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Up, man? What's.

[Brian Broaddus]

Going on?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Congratulations, brother. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I'm.

[Tommy Yarish]

So excited. I am so freaking fired up that you're.

[Brian Broaddus]

Coming, man. How about.

[Vox Lombardi]

Them Cowboys? How about them Cowboys? How about.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Them Cowboys?

[Tommy Yarish]

Let's go. Let's move the freaking line of scrimmage.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, huh? Let's do it. Do.

[Tommy Yarish]

All that. Here's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mr. Jones. Okay, okay. Your offensive coordinator is a.

[Brian Broaddus]

True offensive coach line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At heart. You know that.

[Vox Lombardi]

Don'T you? Oh, yes, I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Know that. Oh.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Know. Okay. Well, you Know him, but.

[Brian Broaddus]

You got a lot of back and I'm an.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Old offensive. I'm an old offensive lineman, believe it.

[Vox Lombardi]

Or not. I believe it. I.

[Brian Broaddus]

Believe it. They always are the best.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Looking, they're the smartest and they own the damn team. So that's an offense.

[Vox Lombardi]

Oh, definitely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah. Best looking.

[Tommy Yarish]

For, sir. You see my.

[Nick Harris]

Suit today?

[Vox Lombardi]

All right. Hey, listen, good to have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You here.

[Bobby Belt]

Yes, sir. Glad to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A cowboy. A lot of support in this room. Yes, sir. Thank you.

[Vox Lombardi]

So much. I can't wait to get there and get.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To work. All right, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you. All right, I'll talk to you soon. And if you're listening on the YouTube side or on the Twitter side, our stream will go down here momentarily. Only a limited time streaming there. You can catch all of us throughout the weekend on Dallas Cowboys.com and on the Odyssey app under 105. Three the fans. So special thanks to all those that are tuning in on that side. You get to hear Tyler Booker there. I thought there were a couple Easter eggs there for Brian, all of us to kind of dissect. I thought the, the Houston comment was interesting. I thought the, the, the way that the, the offensive line reacted.

[Vox Lombardi]

Was interesting. Slayton Adams said, we are ready to, to move the line of scrimmage. And he said duo and everything. So it's going to be gonna be some combo blocks. It's gonna be some body move. You know, we're, we, we're having conversations. Are we going to be like an outside zone type team? Are we going to be up the middle? Like, where are we going to be running if we're going to be duoing people, we're going to be moving one Texan and picking them up and carrying them to backside linebacker. So that's a good little.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hint there. Do you hear anything out of that Brian that.

[Brian Broaddus]

Stuck out? No, I just. They were very, very happy about the pick. And, you know, and this is a guy, this kid's got really a great personality. You could tell that. You know, I say he's one of those guys, when you watch him play for a man this large, he moves so well and gets to second level. The combo blocks plays in space. I mean, he is, he plays on his feet and when you try and rush him as a pass rusher, it's hard to move him. It's hard to get around him. And especially in that, that area that he plays inside, he is not going to get knocked back. So very happy that for him, very happy for the Cowboys that they obviously got A guy that they like and they know they have to do things to try and help the running game. They did it with the coaching staff. Now they're adding the offensive guard, the right guard. No more questions about that. And now I think the next thing is to try and maybe add this running back down the stretch. I'll be interested to see what when that pick comes, whether it's potentially 44, 76 or into.

[Bobby Belt]

Day three. Two things I think stood out other than the Whitney Houston comment, which whenever we talk to him, we got to ask what Whitney Houston song Shotti was listening to. Yeah, one was just shotty right out of the gate saying, you blew us away during the process. I think that's such a huge thing, obviously for Shot. He's talked about it ever since day one when he was asked how he wanted to be remembered, he said that he wanted to be remembered as the creator of one of the greatest cultures that sports had ever seen. And so that's clearly such a high item for him. And I think you hear it reflected in the way Tyler Booker impressed them during the actual property. And so when you talk about all these players being stacked close together, that's a tiebreaker. That's a big, big tiebreaker for them. And then the other thing was Clayton Adams sounding so clearly fired up about it. He's got clear ideas for what he wants the running game to look like and he thinks that Tyler Booker checks those boxes completely. And so those were the two big impressions I took away from it is that Clayton Adams ideas for the offense and Brian Schottenheimer's ideas for the culture are both, both big time checks on.

[Tommy Yarish]

This pick. Yeah, I think the person is what Brian Schottenheimer is talking about. And even when McClay the other day when we had our pre draft press conference said we're looking for guys who love football. Yeah, if you hear that, you hear a guy who loves football and if you watch his tape, you see a guy who loves football. And so I think that this guy fits exact, the exact mole that Dallas is looking for on both sides as a player, which is what, you know, the, the Clayton Adams and the Conor Rileys of the world are certainly looking for on the offensive line and for what Brian Schottenheimer is looking to create from a culture standpoint in this locker room. So in those aspects, Tyler Booker gives.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You that. It was interesting. The voice of the Dallas Cowboys, Brad Sham asked on Twitter or X. He put out someone at the start, ask Brian Schottenheimer if Tyler Smith is Going to move to left tackle. That's not an.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Option.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here. Right? You would think or what. What would you think if that. That were.

[Vox Lombardi]

The case? I think if that were the case, I would think that we're making a problem out of. Out of. And no disrespect to, you know, whoever just made.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The.

[Vox Lombardi]

Comment. Brad. Bradsham To Bradsham. But I, I think you're, you're. First of all, you're putting guy in a weird situation because you, you, you just drafted him. At least give him one more go at it. And I've been super critical of Guyton, but at least give him another go at it. I think you're making Tyler Smith worse because I think he's best at guard. He's an all pro guard. Let's just leave him there and n. Just, just let, just let Booker fill in where the hall of Famer just left. I mean, that's, that's what makes sense here. If one guy moves, you feel that one spot with the, with the, with the, you know, with the one guy that, that just left. Let's not overthink this and start shuffling guys around and getting worse on. On purpose, in my.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Personal opinion. Yeah. All right. Catching you up on a couple of.

[Vox Lombardi]

Picks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Here. Here. Jaylen Walker goes 15th overall to the Atlanta Falcons. Brian. I mean, that's a big pick for them at 15. He falls all the way to the middle of the.

[Brian Broaddus]

First round. Yeah, I tell you what, this, this kid is a really, really good football player. And there was talk about Dallas potentially being in on him. Carolina at 8. He's got exceptional athletic ability. He could really move for his size. High motor effort player. He's got a knack for getting to the quarterback. He can close some ground. I think we got.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Another pick. Arizona NFL draft The Arizona Cardinals select.

[Brian Broaddus]

Walter Nolan.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Tackle, Mississippi.

[Tommy Yarish]

All right. He was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Great player. Rumored to be in the conversation and what we had thought to be the conversation with guys like golden and of course, Tyler Booker. Let's talk about Walter Nolan here a little bit and what he brings to.

[Bobby Belt]

The NFL. I mean, Nolan had some really, really big fans back in that room. Yeah, no, I think there were people.

[Tommy Yarish]

Who.

[Bobby Belt]

Were. Who. Who thought he had a ridiculous ceiling as an interior pass rusher. And we already know that Matty Refluz believes that the three technique is the most important spot basically on the defensive side of the ball for what he wants to accomplish. So Nolan was, was the big question about. Nolan obviously was just the hot, cold play and like some of the questions about the football Character. And again, we're talking about tiebreakers and you're looking at somebody like Booker up there and what Booker showed you during the process and the questions that existed about Nolan then that creates some separation, creates some daylight on their stack, I would imagine. But I think what you're talking about in terms of the flashes from Nolan are as good as anybody on the interior that you can see, really. I mean, he is a freak athlete. He can be a dominant force at times. It's just the consistency is not always there. And the question is, is that a lack of consistency in terms of play style and different things like that, or is this a guy who just is not engaged all time the.

[Tommy Yarish]

The time? I think it's more of the fact that this guy has had a target on his back since he was the number one recruit coming out of high school. He was the number one recruit in the transfer portal when he entered from Texas A and M. We, when we talked to him at the Senior Bowl, Kyle and, and Nick Harris was there with us too on radio Row. I think I, I asked him kind of jokingly like, are you tired of double teams at this point in your career? And I. When you watch his tape, you see so much attention going towards him and you think about some of the guys that Ole Miss had on their defensive line this year. You got J.J. peggies, Princely, Umami, Ellen. So, so you know, they've got guys who are going to be drafted in this class alongside Nolan and still so much of it goes to Nolan and rightfully so. This guy is quick, he's powerful, one on one, really hard to block. He's got a knack for getting into the backfield to bring the quarterback down and blow up run place too great hands on the line of scrimmage to shrug blockers off of him. On double teams, he's still able to get past some times. Obviously it's hard to consistently do that, but he, he's more than capable of doing it. He's patient as a delayed pass rusher when he needs to do so in that situation, you know, one of the better athletes you'll see at the position. And some reps where he gets pushed initially, then doesn't drive his legs forward, ends up getting pushed back. And that's some of the stuff that Bobby was touching on in terms of not being able to finish at times. But that's stuff that, that's all stuff that I think you can fix. And if in the right system, if Arizona is that I think he's going to be.

[Bobby Belt]

Very successful. Yeah. And just one more note. I do think that he was their top.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Defensive.

[Brian Broaddus]

Tackle. Okay. I don't mean it's weird, because I saw a guy that kind of struggled to keep his balance. You know, I saw. I didn't see many pass rush moves. I think he'll use his hands to try and push blockers around, but I didn't think his balance was all that great. And in the running game, I saw him get knocked around some, and so that kind of bothered me a little bit. He played in a rotating system there at Ole Miss. You really had to pay attention to when they were on and off the field. But there's some times where he got to the quarterback very quickly but didn't finish. Like he thought he might, and. But I. I kind of feel like, though, he needs some more consistency overall with.

[Kyle Yeomans]

His play. All right, we've got the break coming up here in the end of the second hour of night one of the 2025 NFL Draft. More to come right after the break. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys Radio network and Dallas Cowboys.

[Brian Broaddus]

Dot com. I think I'm.

[Bobby Belt]

Out, right? Yeah, you and V.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I believe. And then.

[Bobby Belt]

We'Ll have. Which is good because I'm going to take that spot as my cell phone signal in this spot, compared to that one, doesn't get any reception. I kept having to walk and, like, move my phone over places just to get.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Your reception. I was wondering when you.

[Bobby Belt]

Got up. It was literally just to get a message out. And I was panicking when I realized the phone had never said, over here. I'm. I'm not happy to see you go. I'm just happy that that spot I will now be able.

[Vox Lombardi]

To get. Yo, Bobby, people hate me.

[Tommy Yarish]

It's okay. No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They don't. That is not the case. Bobby's gonna go there so his cell.

[Vox Lombardi]

Gets service. So we breaked up right now. We did. We.

[Zach Wolchuk]

We.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did. Yeah. You're. You're good to move. We are on the off or on the online side, so you can say bye to everybody.

[Vox Lombardi]

That'S watching. Hey, online. I appreciate y' all for tapping in with me here. I'm about to go live on YouTube. Talk to the EPB if you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Feel me. Oh, that's a grinder right there. What's up.

[Nick Harris]

Nick Harris? How we doing? How.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We doing? How we feeling? How.

[Bobby Belt]

We.

[Nick Harris]

Doing? Good. Just. Yeah, Going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All around. All around. This is the fun behind the scenes. I think we get whenever we have these rotating cast and crew on the commercial side of things, I'm a distraction. That's okay. It's like Twitter on.

[Bobby Belt]

The 20. While we're moving things around. Let me just say again, and because I know I just said it when I was jumping off there, but Walter Nolan, I think, was their top defensive tackle over.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mason Graham. Over Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant and some.

[Bobby Belt]

Of these. I think Nolan was the top guy for them at.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That position. And. And do you feel like that was the name? Do you feel like that was the name in that conversation whenever it got down to it, when.

[Bobby Belt]

Things continued? No, I mean, I think it was. Was a name, but I think they. I think they felt pretty confident heading into today that, all right, McMillan's the target. If it's not McMillan, we're just going to keep to the stack. And we've. I think what was probably the case was that Booker was the top that was on the stack right there for, you know, where they were at. And so if they couldn't trade out of there, they were just going to go ahead and lean.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Into that. And it looks like they leaned into it a little bit with the pick. I want to hear from Nick and Zach on the other side. When we get to the radio side, I want to hear your thoughts on the pick. I know, Zach, you popped in here with the beers, so we got a little bit from overall, and then we're going to hear from Tyler Booker when we get back as well. So I think we're all really excited.

[Nick Harris]

About.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It. We're. We're excited to hear from Tyler Booker. And one thing that stuck out on his phone call with Jerry Jones was he immediately talked about the traffic. He immediately said, trying to continue to the tradition of the Cowboys offensive line, Tommy, and to be able to take note of that from the outside looking in.

[Tommy Yarish]

Is significant. No, it is significant. And, you know, you look at a guy like. Like Booker and just what he can do for you in. In terms of the run game, in terms of the passing game, and the shoes for Zach Martin are obviously big to fill. Oh, but, you know, this is a guy who certainly can. Can play at a high level and be a plug and play guy. I think the Cowboys view him as a plug and play guy, and he's going to be able to contribute from day one. So the talks of, you know, okay, is there maybe a competition? I'm sure that that'll still be said. But this is a guy who you take at 12 overall, wanting to plug and play on the offensive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Line, and that's exactly what we're going to have to kind of piece together moving forward. I know there was the conversation on whether or not he would play right guard. I, I think that's the easy fit. Nick. Whenever it comes to Tyler Booker, you don't want to overcomplicate things whenever it comes to your offensive line. And Booker could slide right in and be starter.

[Nick Harris]

Day one. Yeah. A two year starter at left guard has the reps at right guard from his freshman season in Alabama. So you'd be second year in a row that you'd be asking your first round pick offensive lineman to flip sides. But you know, that's something we can ask him about here when we get them on the phone here in a minute. But he's. Whenever you talk to people at Alabama about excuse me, I. I've had some water in the, in the back. I did have some water. It seemed like I had alcohol. I actually don't drink. I actually did have water in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The back. Physically cannot.

[Nick Harris]

Do that. Yeah. But anyway, when you talk to people at Alabama about the transition that happened after Nick Saban retired and there was a lot of things that were left in flux with that program. They had as many as 40 players talking about, about entering the transfer portal because they thought that was the end of the era for Alabama. They quickly bring in Caitlin DeBoer, who was a national runner up the year before as their head coach. And Tyler Booker was the guy leading the players to get everyone back together and lead Alabama back into the mix for a college football playoff last season. Tyler Booker is described as an alpha type leader. If, if the rumors about, you know, Cowboys wanting to have a little bit more leadership in that offensive line room, Tyler Booker is certainly going to help. Help that. We got to get some different first names for these guys. Oh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

My God. Tyler.

[Nick Harris]

And Tyler. Jeez. The. The. The.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Tyler Trio. The law firm.

[Nick Harris]

Of Tyler. Imagine if Tyler Beatish was.

[Bobby Belt]

Still around Tyler Space Creators.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like that. That's a bar that. Lowe's knows. Sundays are for football. So tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances. Select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products and more. Then once your to do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax and enjoy the game. Shop in store or online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official partner of the UN NFL. Get almost anything you need delivered with UberEats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parm delivered a day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no. A burrito bowl? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. A box of fine wines? Yes, that is happening. Delivery is on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, then how about some french fries? Yep. A.

[Nick Harris]

Little.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Escape. No. A delicious bowl.

[Vox Lombardi]

Of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Grapes? Yes. Yes, that. How about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But barbecued prawns? Order it and it's on its way. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Get almost almost anything, anything delivered with Uber Eats, order now. Shemar Stewart, off the board. Texas A and M. Aggie goes 17th overall to the Cincinnati Bengals. The last three picks, Jalen Walker at 15. The Falcon Falcons. Walter Nolan, 16, interior defensive lineman to the Arizona Cardinals. And then, as I just said, Cincinnati takes Shamar Stewart rolling into our number three of NFL draft coverage. From the star in Frisco, Zach Wolchuk. Nick Harris. Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeomans, pleased to be joined by the newest Dallas Cowboy offensive lineman. Tyler Booker is on the line. Tyler, congratulations on a trip dream come true. Tell us what you're thinking at.

[Vox Lombardi]

This point. Thank you.

[Bobby Belt]

So much. And the thing that comes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To mind is that, like, I'm blessed.

[Vox Lombardi]

Like, I'm so blessed to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A cowboy. Just this, I'm a.

[Bobby Belt]

Football fanatic. Like, I love the game of football. So I used to grow up watching the.

[Vox Lombardi]

Football life. So I just remember watching all the football lives of how great the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cowboys were. And I'm excited to get.

[Vox Lombardi]

To work and bring us back to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where we used to be, to where we.

[Bobby Belt]

Should.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be. American. We heard you talk to the front office on the secret audio just a couple moments ago. And you talked about the tradition. What does it mean to you to add that tradition or add to that tradition now as a part.

[Vox Lombardi]

Of this team in Dallas, it means.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Everything to me, you know, just the.

[Vox Lombardi]

Way that I aim to further further the winning tradition.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In Alabama. That's the same way I feel about coming to the Dallas Cowboys and especially being on a team and being a part of a brand so iconic, just as.

[Bobby Belt]

Alabama was. Like, it's funny, like, my track record, I've been so blessed to.

[Vox Lombardi]

Be a part of, like, some of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The best organizations in the world. Like, I went to IMG Academy, one of the best high schools in.

[Vox Lombardi]

The world. I went to Alabama, one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of the Best football programs in.

[Bobby Belt]

The world. Now I'm a Dallas Cowboy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like another one of the best programs, sports program, sports organizations in the world. So my journey is just very. I'm blessed and I've done.

[Bobby Belt]

A lot of winning in my football career so far and I'm ready to continue.

[Tommy Yarish]

You that. Hey, Tyler, this is Tommy Yarsh. Congratulations, man. This is a team that under new head coach Brian Schottenheimer has made it very clear that they want to move up front and they want to run the football. What were those conversations like when you were going through the process with Brian Schottenheimer and Clayton Adams in terms of what they want to do in the run game and how they want to utilize you to have.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Success there? See my football IQ and.

[Bobby Belt]

Just talk about how I listen to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How I talk about the game of football. Like I'm always talking about.

[Bobby Belt]

How I want to move the be.

[Vox Lombardi]

At the point attack, how I want.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To move the line of stream is how I always want to be on the attack. And then they saw how fun I was. I just remember.

[Bobby Belt]

My visit. I really enjoyed it. Like I got a great vibe from them and I knew that. I kind of had a feeling this was going.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To happen. You never know on draft day. But this is, this is confident about and.

[Bobby Belt]

I'm glad. Godfather fit me to cowboy. Hey, Tyler, I gotta ask you, you know, we. We've heard the call, the secret call of the team and you referenced there to Brian Schottenheimer that he needs to keep playing the Whitney Houston. What Whitney Houston song were you guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Listening to? So I forget which Whitney.

[Vox Lombardi]

Houston song. I wanted to say the one Exactly. I told my parents as soon as.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It happened. So my.

[Bobby Belt]

Parents.

[Kyle Yeomans]

100. No. Okay. I want to dance with somebody. I remember now. I want to dance.

[Vox Lombardi]

With somebody. It was funny because we're.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sitting there talking and it's like 7 o' clock in the morning and like.

[Bobby Belt]

I got to talk over Whitney Houston.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But I like, I.

[Bobby Belt]

Loved it. Like he does.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Authentically himself. Tyler, this is awesome, man. Congratulations to you. What a night. What was that draft visit like? And you've obviously been training here in Dallas. So what do you like about the area and how pumped are you to now be in DFW as.

[Bobby Belt]

Your home? I just love.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The area. Like I trained there this past summer. Last summer I.

[Bobby Belt]

Trained there. And then just being one of my friends, one of my close friends, Jackson, he's actually from the area, so he showed.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Me around. And then the training there for combine.

[Bobby Belt]

Training too. Like, I just Had a.

[Vox Lombardi]

Great time. Like.

[Bobby Belt]

There'S a. There's a lot to do around there. It's a really.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nice area. And then to be completely honest with you guys, y' all have.

[Bobby Belt]

Hutchins barbecue. And that's the only best.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Food I've ever had in.

[Nick Harris]

My life. Nick Harris. Tyler actually went to Hutchins earlier today, so I think I manifested this. I literally went to Hudson today. Yeah, we'll have to. Have to do a story on you over at Hutchins. Tyler, I want to talk about your love for football because I think it's very unique even when you talk about guys that love football in this class. When you were in high school, you were living in Connecticut. You drove 90 minutes every day to go to high school to play at a really respected program in New Jersey at Bergen Catholic. And then you moved halfway across the country to go to IMG before you were even the age of 18. You have put so much into this game. You have done so much of the University of Alabama. Can you just describe your love for football and why it is as strong as.

[Bobby Belt]

It is? Yeah, my love of football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Starts from before I can even remember. Like, my dad literally put.

[Bobby Belt]

A plush football in my crib, like as soon as I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was born. And then I still have it to this day. And then some of my.

[Bobby Belt]

First memories are watching old Steve McNair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Highlights because my dad was a Titans fan for a little while. And then just memories of.

[Bobby Belt]

Me watching him play the college football.

[Vox Lombardi]

Video game and put me in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The game. And there's a lot of my first memories are. Have had to do with the game.

[Bobby Belt]

Of football. And then I just start playing and then my parents just kept me around.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The game. They saw how much I.

[Bobby Belt]

Loved it at such a.

[Vox Lombardi]

Young age. They're like, we have to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Continue to push him and tap into this. And for that, I'm forever grateful.

[Zach Wolchuk]

For them. All right, Tyler, so as a student of the game, I'm going to put you on the spot here a little bit. Cowboys history rich in offensive linemen. Who are some of your favorite.

[Bobby Belt]

Cowboys lineman? Oh, definitely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Larry Allen. Okay, you gotta start. You gotta start off with.

[Vox Lombardi]

Larry Allen. Now, he's a guy who.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Could play interior on the edge. He's strong as all get out. He was really.

[Bobby Belt]

Fast too. Like he could do whatever, whatever would needed.

[Vox Lombardi]

Of him. Obviously.

[Bobby Belt]

Tyron Smith. And then for me, somebody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Watching growing up is.

[Bobby Belt]

Zach Mar. And that's somebody who's just, just a technical who was so consistent for so long. Like to be able to come in and come. But I'm excited to get.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To know him, build a relationship with.

[Bobby Belt]

Him and learn what it means to be a cowboy from him and the rest of the guys in the room. It's actually going to be funny that I'm going to be the third Tyler on the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Offensive line. Tyler, we're excited to have you here. Can't wait to put you with the other two teams. Tyler's in that offensive line room and see you move some people like Clayton Adams was talking about earlier. Congratulations on all your hard work leading to this moment. We cannot wait to see you in Dallas and have a star on the side of your helmet. I can't wait to get.

[Bobby Belt]

In Dallas. How about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Them Cowboys? How.

[Zach Wolchuk]

About them? About.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Them Cowboys? Tyler Booker on the phone line. The 12th overall pick in the 2025 NFL Draft. See you tomorrow, Tyler. And yes, we will get to see him tomorrow, get to talk to him in the press conference. He's got a long 24 hours ahead of him, but he knew that was going.

[Nick Harris]

To happen. That Green Bay cell service.

[Bobby Belt]

My goodness. It's a little bit like mine sitting over there. No, I mean, could you imagine if they would have re signed Tyler Biotish a couple.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Years ago?

[Bobby Belt]

Oh, yeah. I mean, it would just be the right tackle and even still the right tackle be Terrence and still.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be Tyler. Tyler, Tyler, Tyler.

[Nick Harris]

And Terence.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's wild. I like it. I think it's good. All right. Speaking of offensive linemen, gray zable goes 18th overall to the Seattle Seahawks. He's the most recent selection. The interior offensive lineman out of North Dakota State. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers pick is in at pick number 19. We talked about that earlier, Zach. They could go a number of different ways, but at 19, here.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They are. Yeah, I mean, this is, this is going to be a fascinating pick for Tampa Bay. I do think they like Matthew golden, the wide receiver out of Texas. I think he's very much in play here. And you might be like, well, why would they want a wide receiver? Because you've got Mike Evans. They just went ahead and re signed Chris Godwin. Well, how long is Mike Evans going to play? Is he possibly year to year right now? And they have really built that roster where they don't have a ton of holes. They could really go a multitude of different positions. And it's very possible that Matthew golden could be the top player on their board right here. So I do think that he would be part of the conversation for Tampa Bay. And Baker Mayfield could get himself a really, really explosive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Target there. Who are Some of the top players remaining on your boards at this point. Pick number 19 working into the back half of the first round. Nick, I'll start with you. Who are some of those names at.

[Nick Harris]

The top? Yeah, I really got to catch up to. Jade Baron has not been taken yet. Correct. Jade Baron, Trevion Henderson, Donovan, Ezzy Ruaku, which I'm fully expecting. Ezzy Aruaku to be my last first round grade left, and I'm okay with that. Then a Mecca, Buka, Maxwell Harrison, Nick Eminwari, Mike Green. Those are some of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The names. Okay, Zach, where you have.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Some guys? Mike Green is definitely the top rated player left on my board. Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle out of O. Ohio State. Donovan Jackson, the offensive lineman out of Ohio State. I had him as the best guard in the. In the. In the draft, and his ability to kick out and play left tackle. Once you had Josh Simmons go down, I thought was incredibly impressive. You didn't have to worry about moving him from left to right by taking a guy like Tyler Booker. That might have been a conversation we would have had, but I think I was just a little bit higher on Donovan Jackson and others. And then it'd be a mech egg bucker, the wide receiver out of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ohio.

[Bobby Belt]

State. Okay. I got four first round grades left at this point. The highest one is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Malachi State. How many did you.

[Bobby Belt]

Start.

[Kyle Yeomans]

With? 15. That's.

[Bobby Belt]

Pretty good. So I've got Malachi Starks, Matthew Golden, Will Johnson, and.

[Tommy Yarish]

James Pierce. All right, I've got Jade Baron, Luther Burden, Jihad Campbell, and James.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pierce Jr. Okay. And then on my first round grades, I have Derek Harmon. I'm a little higher on him than most. Matthew Golden, Jade Baron, Will Johnson and Luther Burden. So those are my next.

[Tommy Yarish]

Five up. I've got golden down there, so he's a little.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Bit down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

My bad. I think overall Golden's a possibility here at Tampa Bay, but as we outlined earlier, it could be a little bit of everybody. They have a pretty solid roster to this point. Here's Roger Goodell with the 19th overall selection. Last pick in the teams with the 19th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Emeka Abuca. Wide receiver.

[Nick Harris]

Ohio State. That's.

[Zach Wolchuk]

So dangerous. Well, they took the better of the two receivers, in my opinion, so kudos to them for taking a mechag. Vuka, my.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Gosh. Yeah. Why do you like him so much? Tell me.

[Zach Wolchuk]

About it. I mean, I'd have been advocating for him at 12 for. For the Dallas Cowboys there. I mean, I'm totally in on the Tyler Booker pick. I can understand why Cowboy fans are like, well, who are you going to throw the football too? You can't throw the football if you can't block and protect your quarterback. I mean, look at what Patrick Mahomes that's happened to him in his two playoff losses. He's running around like a chicken with his head cut off because he doesn't have any blocking. So, you know, it's never a bad idea to be putting stuff in the trenches. But a mech egg buka. This guy is incredible. I love the build and the size. He had to play basically the number two his entire career at Ohio State because he's just with a bunch of dudes who are now also first round picks in the NFL like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Chris Olavich Wilson, Jackson Smith, Marvarez and.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Harrison Jr. Jeremiah Smith, who might be one of the best wide receivers we've ever seen. Now he did play primarily in the slot last year, so I think that that was something where some people might have thought like, okay, is he more of just a slot only player? Can he win outside? I think he can play all three wide receiver spots. But where I think he's at his best is he does all the dirty work for you as a blocker. I thought he was the best in the class. He is more explosive than people give him credit for. You will see him take screens to the house and run 40 to 50 yards for a touchdown. Is used emotionally a lot. Jet sweeps. He gets up the field in a hurry. I love him. He's reliable, he's smooth, plays with a swagger. Only drops I ever saw were maybe concentration drops. He's just taking his eyes off the football, looking up field, trying to run after the catch. But the body controls there. He was one of my favorite players, period in this class and I think one of the safest picks in.

[Bobby Belt]

This class. He's. He's. This is an awkward comparison, but honestly it's one that I've been thinking about over the last week or so. He, he's like the receiver version of Tyler Booker to me. He does everything technically right. There's a lot to really love about him. He is precise and literally the only question is, does he have totally the athleticism to be one of those guys? And that's the only reason why I didn't have him in the first. He was the very top of the second round and then right next to him was Tyler Booker. And it was for the same reasons in a lot of ways. But yeah, I mean this is a guy who is fantastic. I, I like the calculated tempo, the ability to manipulate defenders. He creates subtle separation windows. He reliably works back to the football. He's not sudden or shifty, but, I mean, he fights for hidden Georgia. He's really, really impressive. I like him.

[Nick Harris]

A ton. He's going to find a role in that Tampa Bay offense and thrive. It's, it's just giving Baker Mayfield another weapon. And like I spoke to earlier, Tampa Bay, they could really go any direction. Like, their roster is that well set up. I'm surprised they didn't go Jihad Campbell. This is is that was a guy that had been mocked to them multiple times over the course of the process. But I think if you ask a Tampa Bay fan, they are more than happy with this pick, too. And this, this is a pick that people in the Cowboys organization would have loved to see at 44. And there was an outside hope of that, but just as much as there was a hope for genti to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Fall 12. Yeah, the same kind of thing. And, hey, Matthew golden continues to slide. Maybe they look at him as a possible second rounder. I doubt that's, you know, even any likelier than Emeka Buka moving forward. All right, the Broncos are on the clock. They have about two and a half minutes remaining in their pick at 20th overall in the first round. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network and Dallas Cowboys.com hello, Internet side.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Of things.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hello, Internet. Welcome back. Except we didn't go anywhere. You didn't go anywhere, and we're still talking about the 20th overall pick. Anything shock you to this point? It's your first NFL draft. Tommy Yaris, Dallas Cowboys.com I mean, in your first 20 picks so far, what's been the biggest shock.

[Tommy Yarish]

To you? I think Tyler Warren falling to 14 has been the biggest one. The Bears taking Colston Loveland, the tight end of Michigan, instead. I mean, shocker, that's one that I'm kind of scratching my head at. I saw, I've seen some of the Bears beat writers that I follow on Twitter saying that, you know, Ben Johnson told Colson Loveland that he reminds him of Sam laporta, the Detroit Lions tight end. I don't know, maybe this is just one that, you know, that's something the Bears front office evaluates and they say, okay, this guy is a better fit for one Ben Johnson is trying to do. I just think Tyler, Tyler Warren checks so many boxes at that position. He can be a de facto receiver for you. And Ben Johnson is typically like those guys, guys in his offense that can do multiple things and do a lot, pick up a lot of roles for you. So that's been my biggest shock by far is a colson loveland.

[Nick Harris]

At 10. Yeah, that's been an interesting one. I think Kenneth Grant going that early at 13 is fascinating. Like I. If you had told me he was a first round pick, then, yeah, it would have been. I wouldn't have been surprised. But see him at 13, that's pretty wild. And then Jalen Walker at 15, surprised that he, he ended up sliding that far down. That, that one's, that one's fascinating to me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

As well. What do you think the Broncos could be thinking here as a team that possibly Bobby could have traded up into the top 10? At least there were rumors that they were sending out feelers to make a trade up. Do you feel like they could go wide receiver here? Where do you feel like.

[Bobby Belt]

They'Re leaning? Yeah, I think the, the play to go up would have been about McMillan. Sure. So, yeah, right here you're looking at other receivers potentially. So Matthew golden kind of seems like golden now. Obviously different type of receiver than. Than what McMillan was. But I mean, Golden Burden, I mean this is maybe Burden's a guy they like and I mean, they're using up as much of the clock as they can, but yeah, I would think if receivers what they're going up for, then golden would make.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some sense. You got a Burden there, you.

[Brian Broaddus]

Got.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Golden. Yeah. They signed Evan Ingram in the off season. Both of those tight ends are off the board anyways. Any now, Zach, I mean.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They were linked to a Marion Hampton a lot. The running back from North Carolina. Could they just go running.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Back here? I trade one running back to Dallas and then the other guy, or they let one walk to Dallas out of North Carolina and they take.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Another guy. Could you go that route? I mean, that, that would make some sense. I don't think. I mean, Mason Taylor, I don't think it's necessarily that crazy to take him at 20. I love Mason Taylor, the tight end of LSU. Now they signed Evan Ingram, so maybe they feel good about tight end, but that was kind of the buzz. If they wanted to move up, it was maybe for a Warren, a Colston Loveland or an Astrone Genti. So just sticking with those positions. Mason Taylor, the tight end of lsu, or o' Marion Hampton, the running back from North Carolina would make sense here, but could you imagine Jade Barron still in a secondary along with PS2? That'd be pretty fun. I mean, you'd have a lot of.

[Nick Harris]

Versatility there. Yeah, it would be. And what, what Denver has just been known for over the course of the last decade, Jade Baron, just makes a lot of sense. They also have a ton of Longhorns on that roster. They just added a couple more. This, this past. This past. Sam Ellinger is there now.

[Tommy Yarish]

Which is. Yes. Isn't little George Humphrey.

[Nick Harris]

There too?

[Tommy Yarish]

I. He's. Maybe he was for.

[Nick Harris]

A long. He could still be there. He was for a lot of former.

[Tommy Yarish]

Longhorns there. Now, if you want to, if they want to build that secondary, you've got a young quarterback in Bo Nix. You've got a wide receiver in Cortland Sutton who had a big year last year. You know, building that secondary around Patrick Certain. Just one defensive player of the year. I think that'd be a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Smart move. Here's the Broncos selection, pick number 20 in the first round. April is World Wish Month and the NFL is proud to support the life changing wishes that make a.

[Nick Harris]

Wish grants. Make a wish.

[Vox Lombardi]

Zach. Yes, one of those wishes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Will be coming true right now. Sam is a 17 year old Broncos fan who has bravely battled cancer. We are listening to the 20th overall pick in the NFL Draft. The Denver Broncos have.

[Vox Lombardi]

Their pick. His wish is to announce.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The first round draft pick for his favorite team. Please join me in cheering.

[Nick Harris]

On Sam as his wish.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Comes true. Take it.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Away.

[Vox Lombardi]

Sam. Awesome. Let's.

[Brian Broaddus]

Go Broncos.

[Vox Lombardi]

Thank you. All right, with the 20th.

[Nick Harris]

Pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select Jade Baron.

[Zach Wolchuk]

DB, Texas. Oh, there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You go. Jade Baron, corner from Texas is on the board. It's another Texas Longhorn for that Denver Broncos roster that is loaded with them at the moment. And possibly one of the top corners in this draft goes off the board as this second corner. If you consider Travis.

[Nick Harris]

Hunter there. I got to know this kid very well during his recruiting process out of Pflugerville Connolly High School in the Austin area. Just one of the more fun guys in this class. Fun personalities. And he certainly took that to Texas and thrived. I was covering Baylor at the time when I first met him and he was committed to Baylor and had always expressed that he wanted to end up a Texas Longhorn. I ended up covering Texas not too long later and Jade A called me one day and said, hey, I'm flipping to Texas. Get the story ready. I'm going to win a Big 12 championship and I'm going to win a Jim Thorpe Award. He did both of those things and this is a, this is a talented, confident, alpha type leader who really galvanized that defense together in Austin and made it better. I got to catch up with him at the combine and we just kind of chopped it up about the process and you know how he's been able to handle it. And he has got such a good head on his shoulders, even better than when I first met him when he was in his high school school days. He's put on good weight. Yes, he is undersized by NFL standards, but he's such a versatile piece with instincts and play strength that he's going to be in this league for a long time. This is a great pick by Denver. It's going to be a lot.

[Tommy Yarish]

Of fun. Undersized, under schmized, this guy is a great.

[Nick Harris]

Football player. Lakers in five, Lakers.

[Tommy Yarish]

In five. This guy is just an all around elite defensive back. You can play him anywhere on the field, you can play him outside, you can play him in the slot at nickel, you can play, play him at safety. He's going to get the job done for you. This is one where I understand the concern about measurables. I understand all that. You throw it out the window with a guy like this who can cover the field anywhere. He's been an elite defensive back, Thorpe award winner, which is the best defensive back in all of college football last season. This is a fantastic pick for, for the Broncos at number 20 to go alongside.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Pat Surtan. He reminds me a little of Buddha Baker with the way that he plays and I mean very versatile. You guys nailed that. I mean outside, inside, has some safety, versatility. I, I mean he's a very physical player. He'll come up and hit you. The closing speed's tremendous, very instinctive, plays with range and he's got a swagger to him. I mean, you nailed it there, Nick. I loved watching it against Ohio State where it's okay, I guess we're going to move you over on Jeremiah Smith and you looked over at Jade Baron and he had a massive smile on his face. He is not shying away from a challenge. Put me on the best receiver and that's what I want to do. I want to go against the best guy every single snowball. So I love this pick for the Broncos. That secondary and that defense as a whole is arguably the best.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In football. Now the Pittsburgh Steelers are on the clock at pick number 21. We've only seen the one quarterback. We've only seen Cam Ward off the board. They are showing Shadur Sanders pick.

[Bobby Belt]

His in. He's not. He's just kind of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Standing around. There was no phone call in his hand. Could this be Jackson Dart? Could this be a quarterback? Or do you think Pittsburgh goes a different.

[Bobby Belt]

Direction? Bobby? I don't know. What would be the like, most boring Big Ten football type of move that Pittsburgh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Could make? That's probably what they'll probably defensive tackle, right? How about new Big Ten and Derek Harmon.

[Bobby Belt]

From.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oregon? Yeah. I mean, I love.

[Bobby Belt]

Big Ten. You could.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Go there. That'd be a sexy pick in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

My opinion. You like that type.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Of pick?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I do. Could they go. I mean, what do they need? Do they need wide.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Receiver now? They might be looking to trade.

[Kyle Yeomans]

George Pickens. Yeah. Is that a conversation? D tackle, running back.

[Bobby Belt]

Cam Scatter. Boo. That's a Pittsburgh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Steelers pick. That is a Pittsburgh.

[Nick Harris]

21 overall. They just let.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Najee walk. They did. Did they go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Marion Hampton.

[Nick Harris]

Hampton thought. I will be honest. Denver not going running back. If Pittsburgh doesn't go running back. This first run of running backs that I was expecting is not happening yet. That's.

[Bobby Belt]

Good news. The for Cowboys about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To end. Got you, nick. With the 21st pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Derek Harmon. Hey.

[Brian Broaddus]

Defensive tackle. Look.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At that. That's a dub for the. The.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Little guy. There.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We go. Actually, he's a reason that's a guy that's not a really.

[Nick Harris]

Big guy. What do you mean.

[Kyle Yeomans]

By that? I'm the one that.

[Vox Lombardi]

Wins.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There. That's. That's what I was saying. But I mean, overall, Derek Harmon. You talked about Big Ten defensive tackle. It's money up the line of scrimmage. This is a Pittsburgh.

[Bobby Belt]

Steelers pick. Yeah, this is. This is definitely a Pittsburgh Steelers pick because I don't think it's that awesome. But you guys all love Derek Harmon, so that's fine. Look to me, I had said it to Zach very early on in the process. That's a guy who ends up on the ground way too much for a guy his size. And that's concerning.

[Tommy Yarish]

To me. Sorry, Bobby. I know there are some injury concerns there with Harmon too. Just from folks around.

[Vox Lombardi]

The.

[Tommy Yarish]

League. League. But when he's healthy, you know, this is a really good player. Can do it all. Gets after the passer well, fits the run well. Good motor strong at the line of scrimmage. But. But Bobby's got a point. Sometimes he just, you know, ends up getting put on the ground.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Too much. He transferred from Michigan State. He's a true one Tech that has the ability to get up field and rush the Passer. He was the 16th player on my board. I was a big fan of the way that he moves at that size. He's quick off the ball, powerful hands to shock linemen, able to shed blocks. He's difficult to move, move. You got to get him moving sideways. Otherwise he's going to hold his ground well at the point of attack. He just needs to finish more consistently. But he's constantly in position to make plays. It would not surprise me if he ends up being one of the best defensive tackles from this draft with his skill set. If you can get the most to him, I think you probably just need to make sure you can keep his weight in check. But my gosh, I, I, I, I. He was one of the guys that I really liked in a stacked defensive tackle class. I think these are really good pick for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Steelers. I like what you had to say when it comes to finishing. He had 55 pressure, should have been more sacked to his total throughout, but he plays with tremendous power. Both sides, both of his hands, his lower half, his bull rush has potential to really be special. I mean he's that strong at the line of scrimmage, knows how to disengage against even the, the longer offensive lineman that he faces. His motor took a big step forward from his time in Michigan State to his time at Oregon. You could see it on some of the tape like he had against the Rose Bowl, Ohio State tape. He helped dominate the line of scrimmage against a really good rushing offense against Oregon or, excuse me, against the Buckeyes in that matchup. I really like Derek Harmon. He was a top 10 player on my board. I'm not afraid to admit it. He goes to 21 Pittsburgh overall. I had him at number eight overall. I liked him a lot. Now I only had 14 first round grades. He was one of them. And I think he's a.

[Nick Harris]

Legitimate player. I haven't met 27 and I felt like that was a little high. Yeah, I talked to some people in Eugene about Derek Harmon a couple months back and the thing that they love about Derek Harmon is that he's a competitor. The thing they don't love about Derek Harmon is how he spends his off season. It's like he's, he shows up to fall camp a little bit heavier than they like and it takes him a few games to get going. But once he gets going, he's a violent guy. I think if he played all 12 games to the same level last season or all 13, 14 that they played actually, then I think you probably See him go even higher, but he's. He's a dude. He's going to be a very talented player in this league, and he's going to fortify that defensive interior.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For Pittsburgh. Anybody else with anything.

[Tommy Yarish]

On Harmon? No, I like him too. He's my third defensive tackle. I think he's 23 on my.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Board overall. Okay, so right around where he ended.

[Tommy Yarish]

Up going. Yeah. So I think I like to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Put pick. All right, so the last couple of picks. Gray Zable, North Dakota State goes to the Seahawks at 18. And Mecca Igbuka, wide receiver, Ohio State goes to The Buccaneers at 19. Jade Baron, corner from Texas to the Broncos at 20 and then 21. The Pittsburgh Steelers select Derek Harmon, defensive tackle out of Oregon. Chargers, Packers, Vikings, Texans round out the top 25 selections in this upcoming next couple of picks. Where do you feel like some of these names could start falling one way or the other based on what you've looked.

[Nick Harris]

Ahead to? Yeah, this is really interesting because the Chargers, they were looking at a tight end. They're not going to get a tight end in this spot unless they feel great about a Mason Taylor or an Elijah Arroyo just to swing on one of those this high. But again, I. I'm keeping an eye on this running back run. Is, are these guys going to slip into the second round? And if so, there's going to be a really fascinating conversation we have going into tomorrow night because as it sits right now, still waiting on that second running back to be taken off the board, which is a huge dub, I think.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For Cowboys. Can we play hypothetical here for a.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Little bit?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's hypothetical. What would it take for Dallas to go from 44 and get back either into the top or the back half of the first round or maybe earlier in the 30s in the start of the second round? What would it take to get there and how likely would they that be? Of course, running back is a position. Remember that running back's a position where that fifth year option could be crucial. And it makes a lot more sense than maybe even some of those other.

[Nick Harris]

Positions available. Yeah, it probably costs you.

[Bobby Belt]

A third. Yeah, it'd be.

[Nick Harris]

Your third. You'd be overpaying. You probably get something back, like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A fifth. Where would that take you? Where would that.

[Nick Harris]

Put you? That would put you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At.

[Nick Harris]

32. Wow. And, yeah, you'd still be kind of overpaying to a.

[Bobby Belt]

Certain extent. But the map, your third is a pretty clean matchup with Baltimore at 27. So if you were to go all the way up there, you could flip Your third. But if you went any earlier than that, you'd probably try and find an extra pick at the back end. Like Nick.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Was saying. Yeah, I think it wouldn't be a running back that I'd be trying to move up for. I think it'd probably be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Matthew Golden. Go get a.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Wide receiver. Or Luther Burden. Yeah, I mean, I think. I think the running back, it stretches way more than wide receiver does. So if you're panicking and you really want to make sure, man, I've got a wide receiver, too, that I have, like, I'd consider the move up for one of those two guys, depending on which one they prefer. I would have it be Matthew Golden. I've got golden over burden. Others might have burden over golden, but, I mean, there are a lot of running backs. And Bobby, you were talking about this this morning. I got to give you credit, I was with you, Nick. I thought running backs might end up getting pushed up the board a little bit. There was a chance you could see somebody like Travion Henderson and Omarion Hampton end up sneaking into the first round. As of right now, they still could get there.

[Bobby Belt]

It's possible. Jalen Melro could.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Still get. It's possible. But this is. This is a good thing. If the Cowboys were waiting to try and attack running back at 44 or even maybe in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Third round. Well, is that the thought, though, is that this is such a deep running back class, and we've talked about this scenario on the podcast before, but this is such a deep, deep class at running back that some teams made Tommy look at it and say, let's wait, let's wait here, instead of trying to spend a premium pick on the.

[Tommy Yarish]

Position itself. No, absolutely. I think that that can definitely be the thought process. And the thing about that, though, is as soon as a team decides, okay, I think we've waited long enough, that's when the run's going to happen, and that's when everybody's going to start freaking out and saying, okay, this is where we need to go and get our guy so that we don't let this run happen. And we get left up with our arms in the air saying, okay, what happened? So where that first running back goes, I think, or this next running back, I should say goes, is interesting. I mean, just looking at the rest of the round, you know, there's some interesting spots where, you know, you could say, okay, maybe, maybe we don't see one the rest of the first round, you know, I mean, you think we got the look at just Looking at the next couple of picks, the Chargers, Green Bay, Minnesota, Houston, you know, I think Houston's good. I think Minnesota would probably be good. Maybe, maybe the Chargers could be in play here just because, you know, you look at what Jim Harbaugh likes to do, running the football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So much. Remember they signed.

[Tommy Yarish]

Najee Harris. That's the all. That's the other thing too is they just signed Najee Harris. Is that going to be enough to limit them? So the packers could be, you know, a group there, but they've got Josh Jacobs, you know, they feel like that's enough. And A.J. dillon in that room. So it's, it's an interesting conversation. But you can, you can go the rest of this round and say, okay, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if, you know, we go to the second round and there's still only Ashton Genti being taken. The other thing too is, you know, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but where do they have the next. Where do teams have their next best running back? Do they have a Marian Hampton in the first? Do they have Caleb Johnson in the first? Do they have Trayvon Henderson in the first or are those all second.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Round guys? They just showed the Chargers war room in their conversation. The graphic on the television side is inside the final five seconds of their pick. Even on their war room clock in the building it said that they were down underneath 45 seconds. So they're taking all 10 minutes of this clock in order to put in their pick at pick number 20. Bobby, where do you see the Chargers leaning one way or the.

[Bobby Belt]

Other and they just got the pick in. Looks like. Yeah, we had heard like was mentioned. We heard a little bit about tight end. I mean they could go a couple of different ways here. I think that at this point I wouldn't be surprised if I saw defensive tackle was one that was kind of buzzed around about them. So I mean, I don't know if you look at the defensive tackle side, Ty Leak Williams, do you like him or do you just look more for value? Do you look at some. Somebody who's still out there like a Jihad Campbell who a lot of people thought should have gone.

[Nick Harris]

By now. Yeah, that would be a good value pick. I wonder what teams maybe think of a golden as far as value at this spot in these corners. We've seen Maxwell Harrison get put in the back end of the first round on some mocks. Mike Green I think is slipping them further than we expect. I think the character issues.

[Zach Wolchuk]

There trade up and go get.

[Nick Harris]

Mike Green. Character issues there, I think are a big red flag for guys, for teams. So that's. That's one. Josh Simmons.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Still there.

[Nick Harris]

Yep. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Fascinating name.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Malachi starks. James Pierce Jr. Was a guy I thought might end up sliding out of the first round based on some of the character stuff we had heard. But he's still out there and available. Jihad Campbell, who I think had a medical red flag out of Alabama, still out there. So, I mean, there are still tons of really, really good players that are still left. I mean, that's why we talked about the meat of this draft really being tomorrow night on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Day.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Two. Yeah. So for Cowboy fans that are so, like, upset, I've been there before after a first round pick, take a deep breath. There's a lot of NFL draft left, and there are still plenty of wide receivers and running backs and skill players that you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Can attack. While we're sitting on this Chargers pick that has been in for a minute and we're getting.

[Brian Broaddus]

Things.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Together. You. You mentioned the fans reaction. I've seen kind of mixed.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Reactions throughout. Some are happy, but a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Lot aren't. Some are happy, some. There are plenty of wide receivers and running backs, and we're starting to see a couple of them slide through the back half of the first round. Here's Roger Goodell with.

[Brian Broaddus]

The Chargers. With the 22nd pick in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The 2025 NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Chargers select Omarion Hampton, running back. There you go.

[Tommy Yarish]

North Carolina. It just takes that.

[Zach Wolchuk]

One, right? So sorry, guys. I think I.

[Tommy Yarish]

Jinxed this. It just. It just takes.

[Nick Harris]

That one. He's jinxing it further. He's trying to say.

[Zach Wolchuk]

There'S more. It just takes.

[Tommy Yarish]

One here. Well, that's just going back to what we were saying because it's. It only takes one team to say, okay, we're. We're getting later than we'd like, and these guys are still on the board. Let's make sure we get what we need. And the Chargers, I guess, felt like they needed a guy like Amari and Hampton here, even though they just brought in Najee Harris. And so that this is what Jim Harbaugh likes to do. He likes to run the football, likes to be physical up front, and Omarion Hampton fits that kind of scheme perfectly. I think this is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good pick. Where does he kind of rank in terms of some of these other running backs that we've talked about, like Genty and.

[Nick Harris]

Henderson Chutkins? Those other guys, I have them as RB3 behind Genti and Henderson, but I have him as my very top second round Back. I have them in the, in the high twenties for my, for my personal grade. This is a, this is a legendary, a legendary player in the state of North Carolina. How we talk about Kyler Murray in Texas high school football, that's how North Carolina high school football talks about a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Marion.

[Nick Harris]

Hampton. Interesting. He was a Gatorade player of the year in his senior season after coming back from a couple of bad injuries that he had to deal with. But he is a battering ram that is hell to deal with when he's at full speed out in open space. I love his ability out in space outside the tackle. He may be the, the most dangerous runner when you factor in the physicality and the speed factor. He doesn't have a ton of twitch or shiftiness, but I, I do like how makes up for it with his physicality. I wonder if maybe that will create durability concerns at the Knicks level. But I mean that 221 pound frame, you pair it with a 4, 4, 6 speed as you see there from the great Chris Beam in the back throwing that up. He is, he's, he's a safe pick, I think in this class. And you see what he did behind an offensive line at North Carolina last year and you understand why he's getting picked in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

First round. One of the top running backs off the board at pick number 22. Two to the Los Angeles Chargers, Amari and Hampton out of North Carolina. More of the first round night one of the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys radio Network and Dallas Cowboys.com hello Internet. Right back on the dot com side of things with Zach Wolchuk, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Just recapping some of the big moments of this opening round of the 2025 NFL Draft. Of course, the Dallas Cowboys SELECT Tyler Booker, 12th overall. Fielded some calls. One call specifically to the Houston Texans did not come to an agreement. Decided to make the pick. They were very excited. We've heard the secret audio and we've heard from Tyler Booker specifically. Really impressed with the gentleman that is now going to be a part of this Dallas Cowboys team. And that goes back to the conversation we were having right before the Chargers pick there, Zach. You can find wide receivers, you can find running backs. Even if Omarion Hampton's off the board even going into the second and third rounds of this.

[Zach Wolchuk]

NFL draft. Yeah, I mean look, Luther Burden still there. Matthew golden still there. Trey Harris, Tommy and I, I know we're both huge fans of out of Ole Miss Jalen Royals is a really good player out of Utah State. He's a guy I've got in the second round. If you want a true X, a bigger body. TCU's Jack Benson Besh is a player that, that would be in play there in the second round. And then you've still got, I mean, third round guys that I've got. Maybe you've got them higher. But Jalen Noel out of Iowa State, I mean that's a tremendous route runner, a guy who plays much bigger than his size. He's an explosive player. Kyle Williams out of Washington State also, like you're not just going to be able to draft and fill all your needs with one pick. So I do think there's tons of seal players that are still available that are very, very.

[Nick Harris]

Tight. Talented. Yeah, I, I believe. Go ahead, Tommy. You.

[Tommy Yarish]

Got it. No, I was just saying I, I would agree with the wide receiver spot. You know, Trey Harris, I think is we talked, I talked earlier about how Ted McMillan was kind of the guy who seemed like he was made in a lab for the Cowboys in terms of what they needed in this class on the outside. I think Trey Harris is probably the next guy who would fit that mold a little bit. He's only, he's 2 inches shorter at 62205, but when he was healthy at Ole Miss, this is a guy who was one of, if not probably the best receiver in the SEC coming into this year. And I think the injuries this past season kind of, kind of hurt that. But I've heard good things about the medical aspect of him coming forward. So, you know, great 50, 50 ball guy who has the frame and athleticism to go up and fight for the ball. He can adjust during the catch. Strong hands, criticized for not having great Brits off the line of scrimmage. I, I, I look at his film and I see more than enough of him doing that. He's not going to be a top end speed guy who, who blazes after the catch, but he's got long strides similar to tet, they can still get the job done. And when he gets out in space as a run blocker, I think he's really aggressive out there. And if the Cowboys want to run the ball a lot, that's what you're going to want to look for on.

[Nick Harris]

The outside. Do you guys have him above Jaden Higgins out of.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Iowa State? Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jaden Higgins. I like K another one. I think Almost is my favorite. Or Harris. Yeah, he'd be the Ole Miss pet.

[Nick Harris]

Cat overall. Also.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Named Trey. Yeah. Also.

[Tommy Yarish]

Named Trey. I've got Noel, Royals IO, Manor, Besh and Harrison.

[Nick Harris]

Above.

[Bobby Belt]

Higgins.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting.

[Tommy Yarish]

Okay. Okay. I'm a little low. I'm a little bit lower.

[Nick Harris]

On Higgins. I have Higgins as that top receiver after that first clump. He's right behind.

[Tommy Yarish]

Matthew golden. For me.

[Nick Harris]

I think. I think there's a big gap there, but he's. He's my first in that.

[Tommy Yarish]

Second tier. I think they like Higgins a lot and I think they like Savion Williams, wide receiver in TCU a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Lot, too. I don't know if also Kyle Williams from Washington State. Watch that name as we get closer and closer to him. That would be maybe a third round possibility. Maybe not a second round round guy, but they like him significantly. All right, what about Green Bay? Two minutes remaining on the 23rd pick in the.

[Tommy Yarish]

NFL Draft. It's not going to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A receiver. You don't.

[Tommy Yarish]

Think so? Well, they don't. Just isn't their. Their gag like they.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Don'T pick. They don't pick.

[Bobby Belt]

Wide receivers. They.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Really should. Well, that was.

[Tommy Yarish]

When Aaron. That was when they.

[Bobby Belt]

Really should. Yeah, I hope they don't because I don't want them to take Matthew Golden. They.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Really should. They definitely could use a corner. They could use a corner in an offensive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Team tackle. I took Jordan Morgan last year. You giving up on Jordan.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Morgan already? Were they playing Morgan at tackle? They might have kicked him inside and played him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At guard. I don't remember what they.

[Nick Harris]

Did they played him.

[Bobby Belt]

At specifically. Yeah. How much. How much Jordan Morgan, packers tape were y' all watching.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Last year? Quite a bit. Quite.

[Bobby Belt]

A bit. I slacked.

[Zach Wolchuk]

On.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't get to that one in my film study.

[Bobby Belt]

This year.

[Nick Harris]

No, it's. Keep an eye on here for. For the Packers. Defensive coordinator for Green Bay is Jeff Halfley. Former head coach at Boston College recruited Donovan Ezzy Ruaku to. To Boston College. They could use an edge rusher here. This is one of my favorite players in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Entire class. You just wanted to find a way to talk about.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Your pick. That's why this could be a spot where he goes. I don't think this is you just pushing for your guy. I also think he's very worthy of being a first round pick. Mike Green to me is clearly the best edge in my opinion. Somebody is. Somebody's going to win with.

[Nick Harris]

Mike Green. Eagles are discussing moving up.

[Bobby Belt]

With the packers picks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In now. Pick is in with the Packers. So wonder what the Eagles want. Wrapping up our number three of the NFL draft here from the star in Frisco, the last five picks off the board. The Seattle Seahawks take Gray Zabel, offensive lineman out of North Dakota State. The Buccaneers take Emeka Egbuca, wide receiver from Ohio State Broncos. At pick number 20. Take Jade Baron, corner from Texas Steelers. At pick number 21, Derek Harmon, Interior defensive lineman from Oregon. And then the most recent selection, the Los Angeles Chargers, John Harbaugh and company taking a Marion Hampton, running back from North Carolina alongside Zach Wolczuk, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeomans. As we await the select from the hometown Green Bay Packers. They're going to really milk this one all the way up till the very end. 23rd overall pick in the draft, of course, from Lambeau Field in Green Bay. This is going to be quite the reaction from the crowd one way or the other. Let's go ahead and go to the stage in Green Bay where Roger Goodell makes his way to.

[Tommy Yarish]

The podium. Now, because I said this is not going to be a wide receiver, it's going to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be watch. So you're trying to jinx it one way or.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The.

[Brian Broaddus]

Other. Yeah. To make this historic pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Please give it up for first team All Pro Pro Bowler, two time super bowl champion and packers president and CEO.

[Brian Broaddus]

Mark Murphy.

[Nick Harris]

Mark Murphy. I'm laughing because I can't get over this video of Kelvin Banks son.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Throwing up. This atmosphere.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Isn'T.

[Tommy Yarish]

Unbelievable, Roger. Thank you in the NFL.

[Zach Wolchuk]

For bringing the draft here to Green.

[Brian Broaddus]

Bay for the best draft in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

History of the NFL.

[Brian Broaddus]

Right here. On behalf of the Packers, Packer fans here in Green Bay, Wisconsin and everywhere, because our fans are everywhere, it is my pleasure to welcome you all to the NFL draft at Lambeau Field. It is our honor and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Privilege to host this wonderful event in.

[Tommy Yarish]

Our community. Particularly since we are the.

[Brian Broaddus]

Only community on own team in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The NFL.

[Brian Broaddus]

Got it. Just out of curiosity, how many of you are owners? We also have the best owners in the NFL and we also.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Want to celebrate the special connection we.

[Tommy Yarish]

Have with our fans that dates back to the early days of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Professional football. With a 23rd pick in.

[Brian Broaddus]

The 2025 NFL Draft, the 13 time world champion Green Bay packers for the first time since 2002. Tommy, I told you, listen to.

[Zach Wolchuk]

This crowd.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, baby.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Matthew Golden. Oh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

My God. That one's.

[Tommy Yarish]

On Barnacles. Yeah, that's my fault written all.

[Nick Harris]

Over it. Wow, I'm so happy for.

[Tommy Yarish]

This kid. Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Me too. He's a.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Good dude. It's a great fit too. I mean, look, Green Bay's That's a good home to be. I'm sure. I'd love to get what Aaron Rodgers is thinking right now. Just knowing how long was I there. You guys just refused to take first round players. But Matthew golden, man. And hey, they finally got their wide receiver one, that's.

[Bobby Belt]

For sure.

[Nick Harris]

Did they? I think he step in.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And become wide receiver one in that I think he.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Absolutely can. I mean, look, I like.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Reed a lot, but you've got a bunch of guys that are good, not great. I think Matthew golden has the upside to.

[Nick Harris]

Become great. I'll say this about Matthew Golden. I still think he has some development to do at the NFL level and he'll step into a receiving core where he will not be asked to do everything day one, whereas I feel like he maybe would have been asked to do a little bit more here and day Dallas, he would have been asked to do more in some other areas around the league that he was mocked to. But I think this could be a seamless transition. He has a solid quarterback that can work with him. This is a great fit for Matthew Golden. Everyone in Green Bay should be pleased about this, including Matthew Golden. And I was catching up with somebody that knows golden really well down in the Houston area and he said that the first thing that he's going to do is buy his mom the house that they grew up in because it was recently taken. Taken from them. So it's. He's going to buy that home back and he's going to move his family on in the entire street in Klein, Texas. So really happy for Matthew Golden. I, I covered this kid back at Klein Kane. Tommy did as well. I'll let him speak to that too. But a really talented player who has a ton of work ethic and really kind of brought it from the.

[Tommy Yarish]

Ground up. Yeah, great kid covered him. And at Klein Kane and Jaden Blue, the two of them played together for a year year. You're not going to find, you know, better people, many better people than Matthew golden just from, you know, the kind of person that he is. I mean, Nick telling you the story about what he's going to do for his mother is, is incredible. And that just speaks to the type of person that he is. And as a football player, this is a guy who's worked his tail off to get to where he's at. Two years at Houston and then transferred to Texas. And I think Steve Sarkeesian expected Isaiah Bond to maybe be the team's best wide receiver. That wasn't the case. Matthew golden was their best One and they, when they turned to him late in the year, he returned. He turned it up a notch, especially in the College Football Playoff when Texas needed him most. Elite cuts and ball skills. Glides really gracefully in his routes. He's great at the line of scrimmage and his breaks to get a defensive back to bite a certain way. High end speed that's showcased after the catch and, and before to create separation. He finds ways to win even with perfect coverage. You look at the SEC championship game against Georgia and even against Vanderbilt, something that Kyle, you and I talked about on our film room segment the other day. And then he adds the ability to help as a return specialist too. And he's going to translate very well to the NFL level. And he's just stolen the mic. Green Bay, too, took the whole taking a message to the fans there, I guess, but this is a really.

[Bobby Belt]

Good player. The ceiling as a route runner is ridiculously high with him. Yeah, like, if you want to just talk about the actual skill set and the traits and everything that he has, it's not all put together yet. The issue is right now, he does win on traits more than polish. So that'll have to be something that'll need to get cleaned up. Like Nick was saying, he'd probably be asked to do a lot more here right out of the gate. This will hopefully give him a little bit of time to, to clean some of those things up. Some nitpicky things, inconsistencies with effort and focus. But he was number 10 overall. For me. I thought that when you look at body control, spatial awareness, the alpha mentality standing out there on the island, I think he checks a ton.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of boxes. He could play inside, he can play outside. He, he was successful in the red zone in Texas as well. He built so much separation off of minimal movement that it's impressive from a wide receiver standpoint. And we've seen that on his tape throughout. And he did it through SEC competition. He got better and better as the year went along, which I think is important. He was at his best down the stretch against some of the top competition in the, in the college football landscape. This is a good fit for the pack. And like they said, it's been a long time since they've taken a wide receiver in Green Bay in the first round. This is the type of guy that they, they definitely wanted to hit. Now that's back to back picks. Now I'm blaming Tommy Yarish on terms of no running back wide receiver. And no, I'm just kidding. But it Is running back, wide receiver off the board? Could the skills player, run, run possibly start here and continue through the end of the.

[Nick Harris]

First round? Yeah, definitely could, I think. I mean, the Texans are going to be looking at offensive line. I wonder if they stay there, but they could definitely make a case for a receiver. Tank Dell, the health that he's dealt with. Stefan Diggs is no longer there. They need kind of a guy to pair with Nico Collins, potentially the Rams. If you tell Sean McVeigh, hey, I'll give you an offensive weapon, he'll say yes. Ravens probably not. But I you, you get into a run there with. There's a lot of teams that are trench needy from the Lions, Ravens, commanders, Bills, Chiefs. I think you can make a case for any of those teams to get some guys in the trenches, but there could be some skilled guys come down, come down the.

[Bobby Belt]

Pipe too. Justina Anderson, by the way, a little bit ago reported that the Giants are working to move back into the first round and the Vikings, maybe.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Shador Vikings are a team that wanted to move back. They don't have a lot.

[Bobby Belt]

Of picks. Their pick just came in and that.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Is okay. So they're having to lock in and.

[Nick Harris]

Stay here. That is official. Giants are coming into the first round awaiting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Trade details.

[Bobby Belt]

Oh, okay. There.

[Zach Wolchuk]

We go. It's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

With Houston. Maybe Houston was a team that was looking to trade.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Up earlier. Maybe they just haven't got their, like their tackles.

[Brian Broaddus]

Are gone. With the 24th pick in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The 2025 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select Donovan Jackson, Guard.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Ohio State. It's a phenomenal pick. Yeah, absolutely.

[Nick Harris]

Phenomenal pick. I, I saw this kid for the first time in 2020. I believe it was March 2020 and he at 6 foot 4, 200 and check weight, height, weight. Check me right quick if y' all have it in front of you. At his size. I saw him box jump.

[Tommy Yarish]

35 inches. Six, four.

[Nick Harris]

Three, 15. Six, four, three, fifteen. I saw him box jump 35 inches as, as a high school junior and I was like, hold on, this guy's a freak. And out of the Houston area, Bel Air, Episcopal. He, he certainly lived up to that hype at Ohio State. Mainly played at left guard and had an opportunity to come out last season and there was a hard decision about it, about if, if he would come out and he did not. And I actually got a text while I was in Mexico that he was not going to come out. And I was so disappointed that I look around and I ate some tacos in honor of Donovan Jackson. That is a True story. I did because I wanted him to come out in last year's draft class. But I'm glad he stayed another year because he was good at left guard. Then when Josh Simmons got hurt and he swung out to left tackle, he was great at left tackle. I think he showed positional versatility. He showed that he can play dominantly out on the corner, especially in the run game. And the athletic presence that he brings. I'm glad that this guy ended up being a first round pick and high character guy to everyone you ever come across that has met Donovan Jackson. Loves.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That guy. Yeah, I had him as the 12th best player on my board. I love Donovan Jackson. I put a one on him. I thought he was arguably the best lineman, period in the draft. And he got better every game he had to play at left tackle, but he is an elite guard. I mean, the awareness you talked about, the awareness that Tyler Booker plays with Donovan. Jackson's a processor like that as well, but he's probably a better athlete when it comes to being able to move laterally and get out in space. The redirection skills are really good. He's not as strong as Booker. He can improve the upper body strength a little bit. But Donovan Jackson, that's a great pick for the.

[Bobby Belt]

Minnesota Vikings. Yeah. Moves really fluidly. And I think you're right. There's some Tyler Booker aspects as a mental processor and things like that. He's not as powerful as Tyler Booker. I don't think he's quite as clean as Tyler Booker, particularly with his hands. But, you know, he's a really good player. I thought this was a borderline first round player and. And makes sense. Interested that he went ahead of Simmons, though. I am a little surprised.

[Zach Wolchuk]

By that. Yeah, that's got to be.

[Bobby Belt]

Character, right? Yes. I mean, I think Simmons. That's character. That's maybe injury. That's. It could be a combo of all.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of it. And by the way, the Giants officially back into the first round. You said, Zach, it may be the Houston Texans. It was Rams. Indeed. The Houston Texans. They're on the clock right now. The Giants are at pick.

[Tommy Yarish]

Number 25.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So they. So they traded with Houston. Houston and Bobby, you said it a moment ago. Are they coming to get.

[Bobby Belt]

Their quarterback? I picks in immediately. Yeah. I would assume this is the quarterback and I would assume it's Chador, but maybe.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It'S dart.

[Nick Harris]

Could be. Remember, they.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Go shop. If they go, we should be celebrating that. That'd.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be amazing. Yeah, but we have any more Miller Lights in.

[Nick Harris]

The back. It Would hurt my football.

[Bobby Belt]

Brain if they go, Tyler accidentally.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Saw it. It's.

[Vox Lombardi]

The.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Giants. Yeah. Don't.

[Bobby Belt]

Don'T, don't. I'm not.

[Nick Harris]

Gonna say. I'm not gonna look at. Yeah, I'm not going to look at you. So I don't.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get tipped. Yeah. So. Okay, so those are the three quarterbacks. At least here. Did.

[Zach Wolchuk]

You see. I haven't seen it, but looking at Bobby's face, I'm just. I'm preparing for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Something hilarious.

[Nick Harris]

Oh, man. It's going to be fun regardless. It's going to be. It's going to be.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Fun regardless. I'm rooting for.

[Nick Harris]

For Shock. I'm kind of rooting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For Shador. It'd.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Be interesting. I'd be happy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For him. Remember he had the cleats at the end of the college regular season? Remember which team he had the custom cleats for? For at that point, it was the number one overall pick in the New York Giants. Instead, it ended up being, of course, to.

[Bobby Belt]

The Tennessee. Mel Kuiper is apparently has for the last hour on espn. People are all over Twitter saying that for the last hour, Mel Kiper has just been melting down, that Shador has not been picked yet. So that's apparently taken over the draft coverage. So maybe we get.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Him here. The Texans traded 25 to the Giants in exchange for pick 34. And then a third, 99 as well, and a third in 2020. So that's the draft compensation.

[Bobby Belt]

That was 99 and.

[Zach Wolchuk]

What, 34. So they moved up from 34 to 25. And so Houston gets 3499 and a three.

[Tommy Yarish]

In.

[Bobby Belt]

2026. That's. I mean, that's. That's not like.

[Kyle Yeomans]

An overpay. It's pretty.

[Tommy Yarish]

Pretty accurate. They must think that there's going to be a lineman there at 34. They like, I would guess, or. Yeah, I feel like that's their.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Biggest need. I mean, could it be like Josh Con Connerly from.

[Bobby Belt]

Oregon maybe? Connerly was one of the names that had come up when I was asking people about a guy that could slip into the first. That's not being talked about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A ton. What about Simmons, Tate Ratledge? I mean, some of these other guys that they need. They need all over Simmons, I mean, would be a steal.

[Bobby Belt]

At three. Simmons has dual questions about him, though. He. There are teams that are worried about him medically and off.

[Nick Harris]

The field. Can't forget about the Giants GM sun last night on Instagram, posting Jackson dart highlights and then quickly making.

[Kyle Yeomans]

His account private when Everyone realized they just showed Shador and there was no phone call being made on the on the.

[Zach Wolchuk]

TV stream. Well, there are reports that day Ball likes dart, that the dart was the number two quarterback for them. Then I'd also heard that Chuck was also a guy that was maybe the top quarterback on some people's board. So I think dart would be my guess. But gosh, Chuck would be hilarious if that were the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Pick yourself. Some.

[Vox Lombardi]

Ole.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Miss. Correct. They do. Eli Manning. Can they channel their old Eli.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Manning here? There you go. 25th overall pick awaiting the selection from the New York Giants. And then we will send you into our number four of NFL draft coverage. We'll see if we get the pick here before we have to go to break at the top of the hour. Remember, last couple picks. Matthew Golden, 23rd overall wide receiver out of Texas to the packers at 23. Yes, the Green Bay Packers. Packers took a wide receiver in the first round. And then Donovan Jackson, interior offensive lineman from Ohio State to the Vikings.

[Tommy Yarish]

At 24. We got another trade. The Falcons are back in the first round according to.

[Zach Wolchuk]

NFL Network. Go get you.

[Nick Harris]

Some migraine. Traded. Traded. The Rams are trading out of their spot. That's a little surprising to me. I thought that they would maybe take a qb, but maybe New York's taking the guy they want, remember? But the Falcons are not trading back in for a quarterback. So where are they trying to go here?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Running back? I mean, could.

[Bobby Belt]

You be. I mean, I didn't think they'd pick a quarterback at 8.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Last year. I was going to say.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Maybe you go Jalen Walker and Mike Green and all of a sudden your biggest weakness as pass rusher is now a tremendous strength for you. Maybe your offense is pretty.

[Tommy Yarish]

Darn good. What about defensive tackle? Do they have Darius Alexander from.

[Nick Harris]

Toledo.

[Kyle Yeomans]

High? Yeah. Here's the pick for the New York Giants at 25. Houston Texans have traded the 25th pick to the New York Giants. With a 25th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft. The new York Giants select Jackson Dart, cornerback. Hey, we knew explosion was going to happen at some point through this first round. We've seen some explosive moves over the last two minutes or so. Jackson Dart on his way to New York. Quarterback out of Ole Miss. We've got to step aside. More to come as we enter our number four. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys radio network in Dallas Cowboys.

[Nick Harris]

Dot com. Thanks, everybody. See y' all tomorrow.

[Bobby Belt]

Night. Blast. Trading up for a fourth round quarterback.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Is bold. Yeah, that's. Hey, that's the Giants for you, man. I'm not upset about that.

[Bobby Belt]

At all. I did some research at the end of the year where I was just trying to look at top quarterbacks and how they performed throughout their college career against former NFL coaches, defensive coordinators, whatever. Like just looking at coaches with NFL experience on defense at the college level and how they dealt with those concepts. Dart was awful. Dart was absolutely awful. And I think if you see just outside of that, I think you see a really bad mental processor. I think you see somebody who has a. As I unplug my headphones, I think you see somebody who is. He doesn't see it quickly enough a lot of the time. And so to me, I think that there's a lot of hesitation, there's a lot of misreads, there's a slow release, there's a lot that I just do not like about.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Jackson Dart. Yeah, I think he can spin it, man. He does have a good arm. But this is not a guy, I mean, we talked about it with, with Cam Ward earlier that can win out of structure. You just don't see him have to go and make off platform throws. He's really helped a lot by, I think Lane Kiffin schematically from the pocket. But maybe Dave's is seeing, you know, I. He's got some stuff I can work with. But yeah, Jackson Dart in the first round I think is pretty rich for me. But it's the, it's the.

[Bobby Belt]

Quarterback bump. I mean, if you're telling me I can have Joe Milton or Jackson Dart, I'm taking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Joe Milton. Well, they have Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston, Tommy DeVito and Jackson Dart on that roster. So things are going to.

[Bobby Belt]

Get a little walking in as the 4th best quarterback on your.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Team. Geez. Behind Tommy DeVito. I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying. I think it's the quarterback bump. He's got a cannon of an arm. But there's a lot to work on there with Jackson Dart. It's going to take some time and you're going into a quarterback situation where you don't necessarily have to start right away. And so I think it is a development process with Dart and they felt like they had the traits available and they. It was worth trading back into the first round in order to do so. Special thanks real quick to Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish for doing some incredible work throughout. They're going to be a part of this official Cowboys draft presser momentarily when, of course, the first round comes to a close. Welcoming back in Brian Broaddus and Vox Lombardi alongside Zach Wolchuk and Bobby Belt. Sorry to cut.

[Bobby Belt]

You off. No, you guys were. You guys both gasped at the Atlanta trade. I didn't hear what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Did.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Atlanta. So. Oh, you. You.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It. Yeah. The Falcons traded 46, 242 and their first rounder.

[Bobby Belt]

In 2026. Wow. First round to get up to this pick for the Rams to.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Go up to 26 in one of.

[Vox Lombardi]

My green. I mean, I've been seeing Green mock to the Falcon, so I'm just assuming like, well, he's on the board now. I guess so I'm. Are they trying to get back in there and make a push at him? It'll make a little bit.

[Nick Harris]

Of sense. That's.

[Vox Lombardi]

A lot. That's a lot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To draw. And they're going back to back Jalen Walker and.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Mike Green. I mean, I.

[Vox Lombardi]

Would love. That's.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Fair enough. I think it'd be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Why not? You could. I mean you can play both of those guys. They're different types.

[Vox Lombardi]

Of players. They going to got Luther Birdman. That run just happened. They trying to get a wide receiver. You think so it don't make sense. I'm just trying to sell this. So while I'm on. While I just got back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

On the microphone trying to set up second year in a row where the Falcons have just done something absolutely.

[Nick Harris]

Mind.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Boggling. Yeah. A first in next year's draft to.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Move.

[Vox Lombardi]

Up. Yeah. Non quarterback. Because.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They just. Well, I mean, who knows, Maybe they do take another quarterback. Can we put it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Past them? Really let.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Them fly. I mean, Mike Green is clearly the best player left for me. Maybe. I mean Josh Simmons, they're five and six on.

[Vox Lombardi]

My board. Simmons, the best player.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For me. Yeah. Brian, what do you. What have you thought over the last 10 picks or so since you left.

[Brian Broaddus]

The air? Yeah. I kind of disagree with you guys on the Jackson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dart.

[Brian Broaddus]

Stuff. Okay. I think. I think when you watch him play, I think you see a guy who's kind of a rhythm passer and you know, I think he plays in the middle of the pocket and I think he does a great job of putting the ball where it needs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

To be. Sorry.

[Brian Broaddus]

To interrupt. No problem. Three times in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A row. 26 pick to the Atlanta Falcons. With the 26 pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select James Pierce Jr.

[Vox Lombardi]

Oh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow. Tennessee. We were looking at the.

[Brian Broaddus]

Different edge rusher, so they gave up next year's one for the opportunity to take Pierce. So they obviously feel good about.

[Bobby Belt]

The situation. He looks thrilled he's really what James Pierce just looked like. He was just trying to choke back tears. Not the.

[Brian Broaddus]

Good ones. I just, you know, to me there's. There were a lot of questions, right, Bobby, with this guy.

[Vox Lombardi]

Coming out? I mean, how many boards was he off? Like, like, like just guesstimate. How many teams you think he was just off the.

[Bobby Belt]

Board altogether? I mean, I, like, I heard from two separate people that said he was completely off. So, I mean, that to go to trade up for him is. That's. That. That's.

[Brian Broaddus]

A.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Lot. Yeah. They had to do their homework in order to make a move.

[Vox Lombardi]

Like that. Where's my pen?

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Zach Wolchuk]

By almost? Well, you can't get a.

[Tommy Yarish]

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[Zach Wolchuk]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

The lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no. A.

[Brian Broaddus]

Burrito bowl?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. A box of fine wines? Yes, that's happening. Delivery on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, then how about some French fries? Yep. A.

[Vox Lombardi]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Brian Broaddus]

Green.

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Zach Wolchuk]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Zach Wolchuk]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

By region. See app for details. One final hour to go in the first round of the 2025 NFL Draft. James Pierce Jr. Out of Tennessee. Ed Drescher is now an Atlanta Falcon. The Falcons trade up. They trade their 46th pick in the second round of this year's draft. They add another pick on there as well and a first in the 2026 draft to move up and take James Pierce Jr. Out of Tennessee alongside Zach Wolchuk. Bobby Belt. Brian Broadus of 105 3. The fan coverage. We've got Fox Lombardi here as well. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us for first round coverage. We'll be here throughout all 257 picks of the 2025 NFL Draft and we have about eight picks remaining in this year's first round running through the last five selections off the board. 21. The Steelers take Derek Harmon, defensive tackle out of Oregon at 22. The Los Angeles Chargers take a Marion Hampton, running back from North Carolina. 23. The Green Bay packers take Matthew golden, wide receiver from Texas. 24. The Vikings take Donovan Jackson, offensive lineman from Ohio State and then most recently the Giants at Jackson Dart quarterback from Ole Miss. 25. And we just mentioned James Pierce Jr. Edgewater rusher at 26 to the Atlanta Falcons. Brian, a little bit of craziness over these last.

[Brian Broaddus]

Two picks? Yeah, no, I mean I got to talk about Jackson Dart a little bit. I think that he's really better than what we are all were kind of talking about here as a group. The Pierce one is interesting to me because I think he's really good pass rusher. I'm not sure about playing the run. That's something I think that he tends to be in trouble when he becomes a run defender. There's some inconsistencies to his game when the ball's at him, there's some issues there. But when the ball goes away he has a better chance of running that down. I've seen him miss opportunities to make a tackle in the backfield, which is kind of concerning about me. But there's no question about this guy's explosiveness and he's being a fit for a club. I think that might have played as a little bit of some odd man front, maybe use him as a standup edge rusher. I think that Atlanta will probably play him with his hand down but his quickness can give blockers.

[Nick Harris]

Some.

[Brian Broaddus]

Problems. Odd. Obviously they feel comfortable with the things, the off the field things and so Atlanta, it's a very bold move for them to give up next year's one for.

[Bobby Belt]

This opportunity. If Pierce continued to tumble into the second round, then I think it's a discussion for Dallas. I think Dallas would have at that.

[Brian Broaddus]

Point gone. He was never going to be considered in the.

[Bobby Belt]

First round. No, I don't think so. I think this more would have been about if he were to get into the second round. Honestly a similar situation in terms of where he got and kind of a similar player as a prospect, Randy Gregory. Like it would have been a similar conversation as they got to in 2015 where they got to that pick and they said well the value is too good so so we need to take advantage of this. And Pierce reminds me a Lot in terms of as a prospect. Coming out to Randy Gregory, as a guy who had some issues with the run game, obviously is a little lean, has some issues with power and bulk, but is a rare pass rusher in terms of the explosiveness and. And the way he gets after.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The quarterback. He's a super athletic freak. I mean, he is one of the best pass rushers in this draft. But I completely agree with you, Brian. Teams can exploit him by running right at him and that's an issue. Now he's got the frame, he's super skinny. Maybe he can put on some weight and he can do a better job of setting the edge. But to me, I kind of looked at him as maybe he ends up being a position like a situational pass rusher at next level, worst case scenario. But that is a lot to give up to move up for James Pierce Jr. But the Atlanta Falcons wanted to improve their pass rush. They certainly did that with Jalen Walker, who they got tremendous value for, in my opinion, getting him at 15. But to move up here to get Pierce, hey, how it works. I hope that works out.

[Bobby Belt]

For him. I'll just say when he ran at the combine and he ran in that hoodie because he forgot his combine track at. I had somebody text me and say that right there is the definition of James Pierce. Where James Pierce, like just forgets his stuff and it's a little flaky. But then he goes out there in a hoodie and he runs four, four, six or whatever. He ran at the size that he is. Like, that's the exact. That's a really good picture of what James Pearson and the frustrating issues about him is such a rare athlete, such a rare type of talent for the position, but then also like kind of.

[Vox Lombardi]

A knucklehead. Yeah. On the field, I mean it's. This is worth this draft spot. Like just the on the field player. Just as a pass rusher. I mean, this checks out. But if you think about the idea that you got to trade up for him and you've given up a first for him and the idea that there's. He may not have been on some team's boards at all, I think maybe you could have got him in the second and the Falcons picked 13th in the second round or something like that, maybe he would have gotten around to him. I just think this is a bit of a reach there, but it ain't my team, so it's cool. Just on my board, I got Mike Green better than him. I got Donovan ez. I'm not gonna try to say his last name, but from Boston College and Princely Uma M Yell, I got those guys a little bit better than him. And those guys don't have the off field stuff like James has. But shouts out to the Falcons, they got it. They got a guy that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They love. The rams receive pick 46, pick 242 in this draft, which that's very late. It's the seventh round pick and then next year's one from Atlanta. The Falcons received pick 26, but they all also get 101 back from the Rams. So they do get to exchange there slightly. But that first round pick next year is pretty significant to move back 20 spots or move up 20 spots and get back into the first round of this year's NFL Draft. All right, the Baltimore Ravens pick is in at pick number 27. Brian, who's your top rated guy on.

[Vox Lombardi]

Your board? That's exactly what take the.

[Bobby Belt]

Mike Green. Is this Mike.

[Brian Broaddus]

Green for? Oh, yeah, this is, this is absolutely going to be Mike Green. This. They're the team that kind of sits there and watches the draft kind of unfold. And then the next thing you know, it's like, hey, they win the super bowl, then the best they need to tight end. And there they are, best tight end falls right in their draft, in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Their laps. So not surprising at all in the.

[Brian Broaddus]

2025 NFL. They love.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Alabama players. The Baltimore Ravens select.

[Bobby Belt]

Malachi Stark. They got my top.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Player left. Malachi Starks does feel like a Raven.

[Vox Lombardi]

Doesn'T he? They're gonna do some fun things safety wise. They just gonna just versatility like so that's two guys now that the Ravens have that can line up in the slot. They can play down and strong, they can play back and free, they can chase tight ends around. And if there's a conversation about safety, I mean when, when, when people talk about Malachi Starks, it's about his size and him moving and him playing all over the place even. He even does some linebacker things sometimes. So if you're the Ravens, they're a team that's known for defense and defensive creativity. I'm just hating on the Ravens every single.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Year, man. Great pick, by the way. Nick Harrison, our one month out mock, put Malachi Starks in a Ravens uniform at pick number 27. So shout out Nick Harris as he continues. When you look at Malachi Starks, Brian, he does a lot of things really, really well in that.

[Brian Broaddus]

Georgia defense. Yeah, he does. And but to be honest with you, I have a couple of guys ahead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Of Him. Who do you have ahead.

[Brian Broaddus]

Of him? Yeah, I, I kind of feel like. Let me tell you exactly who I have. I think I like Andrew Makuba a lot, you know, and I also like Watts from Notre Dame. You know, I think there's some things with Starks, you know, he's probably, he's an. A good football player. He does not test very well. And so some athletic ability stuff, you know, in that Raven D defense, you know, he'll probably be fine. But I think overall, if you look at, if you ask him to have to do a lot of things athletically, I think that's a little bit of a problem for him. So I personally, I like Makuba a lot and I like Watts. I would have selected either one of those guys over Starks, to be honest with you, but, you know, they'll probably like the versatility. I think you could play them down in the box, but, you know, he's the run support stuff. Looks well enough, but you know, he's. He's one of those guys that is very, very aggressive and that will get him in trouble at times. You'll see him overrun some plays. You'll see him overrun plays that result in touchdowns, you know, being back on the back end like that. So, you know, Florida took advantage of him with some couple of deep shots and stuff like that. You know, if they, if they, the thing with Hamilton, they play Hamilton down, I mean, Hamilton could play kind of like all over the place, but man, I tell you what though, this guy right here was a guy that I kind of feel like in coverage he might be a little bit of.

[Bobby Belt]

A liability. I mean, I've just. I felt like Malachi Starks was incredibly steady across the board. Like, to me, I just looked at Starks and thought of him similarly to like some of the questions we asked. Obviously a different type of player, but some of the same stuff we ran into with Kyle Hamilton, where Hamilton. It felt like he did everything right. To me, I think he is such a high IQ player, which is critical when you're playing safety. I feel like the physicality, pound for pound, I feel like he's willing to stick it to guys. I think that. I get what you're saying, Brian, about some of the COVID stuff. I wouldn't want to stick him in the slot necessarily, but I think as a IQ player playing the deep middle, I think he can do that and I think he sees everything really quickly and makes up for some of the Athletic League limitations. But he is terrifying because he might be teased Tabor at safety. Because.

[Brian Broaddus]

He.

[Bobby Belt]

Is. Yeah. We're talking about a guy who was what he.

[Brian Broaddus]

197.

[Bobby Belt]

Pounds. Yeah. Shamar Stewart, at 267 pounds, had a better 40 vertical jump and.

[Brian Broaddus]

Broad.

[Bobby Belt]

Jump. Yeah. And a lot of defensive ends had better three cone times than Malachi. Malachi Starks is 197 pounds and had like a 7, 3, 3 cone. That was Taco Charlton's.

[Brian Broaddus]

Three cone. Yeah. I think the thing. And you got to. This kid had a shoulder problem that he was kind of dealing with too. So you wonder like, he is super physical. No question about that. We're seeing the highlights right now of his ability to come up and drive on the football like that. But I could say I just worry if I had to put him in a lot of different covered situations, if it's in front of him, I think he has a better shot. But there's sometimes, like I say, that they'll run right by him and that's. That will cause him.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Some problems. Yeah. The gambling aspect of it definitely cost him in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Alabama game. That first half was three.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Missed tackles. It was not good. It was not good. But I. I do think he's got some range. I mean, I've seen. You can see him go sideline to sideline, and he does do a good job for the most part, keeping everything in front of him. I think he's just his own worst enemy at times, really. But I. I do like the player. Overall, I think that this could be a good fit with the Baltimore Ravens. I had him in the second round and there are other safeties. I'm with you on Watts McCarthy, Cuba, I love Kevin Winston Jr. But Malachi Starks, I mean, he seems like a relatively safe pick. Prior to the testing. The testing was really bizarre to me. I did not think that he would struggle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That much. And there were times on tape where his athletic ability and his change of direction jumped off. And there were times Tennessee game for one, South Carolina game for another, where I thought he did a good job of changing direction. He was able to play in coverage a little bit. I thought he gets in gifts himself by being overly aggressive while working downhill. That's where those three missed tackles against Alabama came in the play. All three of those were right around the. The line of scrimmage and in the box. He's going to have some. Some growing to do. But the good thing on the backside of that Baltimore defense is he does have a Kyle Hamilton that he.

[Brian Broaddus]

Can play. That's what I'm saying. Hamilton could play down and you like him around the line of scrimmage as a blitzer and things like that. Watts to me is a guy that you could play back and play more as a true free and kind of the ball gravitates towards him. Aaron throws crossing routes. Watts is a better cover guy if you really wanted to, if you know you really wanted to. Pair two safeties, pair Hamilton and pair Watts and now you got two guys back there that can cause a lot of problems.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For you. Looking at a couple things on the social media side. Former head coach coach of the Dallas Cowboys, Mike McCarthy said he loved the, the pick by the Cowboys. He said he likes Tyler Booker up front. Mike McCarthy said that. How's that make.

[Vox Lombardi]

You feel? V. I'm not going to say nothing mean about Mike McCarthy, man. He, he's, he's, he's chilling, doing his thing. Pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Us in. Here's The Lions at 28. Select Ty Leak Williams, defensive tackle, Ohio State. Tell me about him. Vodka Williams. We'll tell you about it on the other side of the break. Actually more of the first round continuing to wind down in Green Bay, Wisconsin. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys radio Network and Dallas Cowboys.com 63300 and big.

[Vox Lombardi]

As hell pounds and what I love about that is his ability to move for that size. He's going to be a one take, going to be a zero and I think he, he's incredibly stout. I think they're going to try to double team him. He's not going to move if it's a one on one situation. He will stack and shed you to pieces. He will get his arms up, bat down passes. Even if you don't run directly at A gap because he'll grab if you run up in there. If you run a B gap, he'll grab if you run a C gap he'll be line down the line of scrimmage. He'll chase you all the way to C gap. He's a very active, humongous man. Hugh Mugus, humongous fan of this humongous man. I'm really, you know the one thing thing that, that really had me ranking him over some of his peers is his hands and, and, and just as a technician and where to put his hands and how I'm going to stack you and how I'm gonna, you know, work this combo or I'm gonna get down to a knee to deal with this, with this double and then get up and go and make a play high effort for this humongous man. I was hoping that the Cowboys would get him at 44, but he is off the board, so we need to be looking at some more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some more?

[Brian Broaddus]

One, yeah. This guy's a massive tackle. He's not sloppy at all. I mean, you know, at 334 pounds, he's quick to get up the field. I like to personally. I know Zach, you're a big fan of Harmon and you know, and rightfully so, but I think that when you talk about this guy, there is that he's got a really good football IQ for a big guy. And he actually, he plays very, very active, you know, up and down the line of scrimmage. They line him up at a couple of different spots. I think the motor, the effort, you know, he just doesn't stay in one spot and kill grass. I mean, he's moving around. He can improve as a pass rusher a little bit with some of his moves, but he does a pretty good job with the arm over move. And you can see him free himself. He collapses the pocket with some power. Maybe he'll be a little cute sometimes. But I'll tell you what though, this guy right here, I really did like the way that, how active he was and how hard he was to block along the line.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Of scrimmage. He's a power player, man takes on double teams and he's difficult to move and he pushes the pocket really well. I did like other defensive tackles more, but Tyler Williams is a really good player and they needed defensive line help. I do think this was a missed opportunity to take my Green personally. If I were the Lions. You have Mike Green opposite Aiden Hutchinson. I think that could have been absolutely filthy. But Tyler Williams will also help out Aiden Hutchinson in.

[Bobby Belt]

The middle. I have not spat out my comp for him because I've been. I've been chicken Brian because I know the name I'm about to say is. Is going to put me in the jackpot. I look at him, I see Dexter Lawrence a lot of ways. Okay. And Lawrence, like I, I think the upside as a pass rusher is there in bunches with Tylee Williams. I think you see it flash from time to. Honestly, if, if he can fix how upright he tends to get.

[Brian Broaddus]

At times. Yeah, that's, that's going to.

[Bobby Belt]

Be an issue if, if he can strengthen his lower base at times. I feel like there occasionally are times where his lower body, he gets moved a bit, little, little bit. But otherwise, I mean, I think that this is a guy who at that size and the type of explosiveness I feel like he has, I think that's a guy who can, in today's NFL where they want you to rush up, you know, those B gaps as quick as possible and try to get to the quarterback. I think that this is a guy who can be a.

[Brian Broaddus]

Game wrecker. Did I miss something with the Lions last year? Like towards the end of the season they started losing guys. Wasn't it like defensive tackle, like a real problem for them? They got a bunch of guys and I was thinking, man, you know, I think Detroit does a good job. I think they know their team really, really well. I think they take, you know, look, once again, you know, here's another Big Ten player kind of in that area, that part of the country. The toughness element about it for, for Dan Campbell and the coaches up there. So, you know, I think that's a really, really good pair. I had him as the 31st best player in my stack. So right inside, you know, potentially, if you're talking, talking about 32 picks, he was right inside that first round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For me. Bobby, I got killed for my comparison for Ty Leak Williams by VO&Bobby or I mean vouch and Brian.

[Vox Lombardi]

On this show before what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You say? I said.

[Nick Harris]

Mozzie.

[Vox Lombardi]

Smith. Yeah. He.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was.

[Vox Lombardi]

Wrong. Yeah. Oh.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was I? What picked Mozzie.

[Vox Lombardi]

Smith go. Well, the Cowboys was wrong.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For that. Well, they went at. He went at 27, one pick.

[Brian Broaddus]

Before Tyler. I would take this guy over Mozzie Smith, to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Honest. Probably. From the star in Frisco. The first round of the 2025 NFL Draft rolls on last four selections. The New York Giants at 25 take Jackson Dart quarterback from Ole Miss. The Falcons take edge rusher out of Tennessee, James Pierce. But the kicker on that they traded back into the first round to get to pick number 26. They give up 46. They give up seventh round pick and then next year's one to trade with the Los Angeles Rams to get James Pierce Jr. The Ravens at 27 take safety Malachi Starks out of Georgia. And then the Lions at pick number 28. Take Ty Leak Williams, interior defensive lineman from Ohio State. The Commanders are on the clock at pick 29. We are in the final four selections of the first and then stay tuned. We will hear from the Cowboys front office and their post first round draft press conference here from the star in Frisco. Shortly after the end of the first round commanders on the clock followed by the Bills, Chiefs and Eagles. Brian, if you're Dan Quinn and the commander fresh off a NFC title game appearance. Where could you go in the.

[Brian Broaddus]

First round? I kind of feel like with the commanders, that is their secondary play exactly where they need it to be. You know, was there some things in the nickel that they were dealing with last year? You know, there was a lot of thought that maybe that might be the direction that might go. Could we see one of these corners that has maybe a little bit of an injury history to them? You know, could this be, you know, when you would revel from the, you know, from East Carolina? I mean, they might be looking at a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Corner right. In the 2025 NFL Draft, the Washington Commander select Josh Connerly Jr. Oregon went with one of the top offensive linemen remaining in the draft trying to.

[Brian Broaddus]

Protect their. Well, actually it's Simmons, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know. Yeah, one of. I said one of. When you talk about Connerly though, out of Oregon, you give an opportunity to protect your. Your top notch quarterback that you got in the draft.

[Brian Broaddus]

Last year. Yeah, I think the thing with Conner Lee that's interesting, me personally like to say the injury teams must not feel very great about the patella with Simmons.

[Bobby Belt]

At all. They have character issues with.

[Brian Broaddus]

Him too. Okay, well, if that's the case, then, you know, like I say, but his tape is better than a lot of these guys I think that are getting picked right now. But when you look at Connerly and what he, he was able to do there at Oregon, you know, I was pretty impressed by him, but I kind of had him down below some other guys that I really, really liked. But this guy was a starter at left tackle. He doesn't appear to be the biggest guy on tape. He's 6, 5, he's 311. But the lengthwise, he does a really good job of handling his assignments. I think the leverage, the balance, very rare. If you. Very rarely do you see this guy on the ground. I think the hand use, I think he's got a feel for how to strike with his hands, make the best use of it. His hands are usually winning first when it comes to dealing with pass rushers. He looks very comfortable in his pass sets to get away from the line and all that. Does not appear to be in a very big hurry, but he's very smooth without the stress. But if you like these lighter type of offensive tackles, I think this would kind of be your guy. But he's a good player. I think he's going to need to develop some strength, but he's got a lot of the tools that.

[Bobby Belt]

You like. You, you mentioned lighter offensive tackle. One of the Guys that he kind of reminded me of to tie to a Dallas thing. Like I did see some almost Terrence Steele like stuff with him. I felt like at times in terms of when Steele has been at his best as a run blocker and a guy who doesn't always win with power, but wins with, you know, furious effort and just trying to push guys up field in pass protection, things like that. I think you see some of that Connerly, he really was impressive against Abdul Carter and put out. I thought some, some good tape there. Connerly to me was a guy that when I asked around and said, hey, who's a first round guy potentially that we're not talking about as much. Connerly was one of the names that came up a few times. And so, you know, Washington going offensive line here is a little interesting because like you said, I was wondering about their defense, Brian, but I was too, you know, getting Cliff Kingsbury more protecting Jaden Daniels, that's what they're.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Worried about. And doing so throughout the defensive minded head coaching of Dan Quinn. I thought you were on the right track there with corner. Some of these guys are Dan Quinn type of corners. We learned that through his time as a defensive coordinator here in Dallas. And I thought maybe Will Johnson, like you talked about with the almost is on the board still. I mean, some of these other long, lengthy corners could possibly be in that, that conversation. Instead they go with the.

[Bobby Belt]

Offensive lineman Kyle on 29 on Will Johnson. Schefter did say about an hour ago, apparently that there are a lot of teams worried about.

[Brian Broaddus]

His.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Medicals.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. Okay. And I say I don't want to break in any HIPAA laws. I don't want to get us in trouble for doing this. But there are definitely some concerns. And you know, this guy makes a living with his feet. He makes a living with his legs. You know, there's some things that they're looking at right now that he's dealing with with both. And I think that's something that the teams are clearly like, is there things that he's going to have to have done to him in the future? And so that's where I think that a lot of teams are kind of pushing back on him.

[Vox Lombardi]

Right now. Will Johnson at 44 is not a pin throw, right, Brian Broads like, that's something that we could.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Be on. Yeah, I'd be.

[Brian Broaddus]

On that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, absolutely. Would you take him.

[Brian Broaddus]

Or Ravel? I would take Revel because I would take actually. And this is the whole, this is the whole thing that I've talked About on all these draft shows. I have nothing against Will Johnson even before the injury or the injuries that he's dealing with. I have nothing against him. I just have players that are better and that's the selfish side of me right now. I would just like the opportunity to take Ravel. I think the opportunity, you know, to take Morrison from Notre Dame I think is, is something I would entertain as well. Well, if you're going to give me, if you're going to give me hurt guy, give me those two hurt guys over this, this.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hurt guy. So as we stand now, 1, 2, 3. Fifteen picks away from the Cowboys at 44. Yeah, there are a lot of really good names on the board that are going to be there at 44 or at least are there now. We haven't seen the run on the skills positions quite yet. We saw Hampton and Golden go off at 2:22 to the Chargers and then packers at 23. We haven't seen a skills player outside of Jackson Dart at quarterback since then. Do you feel pretty good about where the Cowboys are sitting at 44 and what the board could look like going into.

[Vox Lombardi]

Day two? Looking at my board, I got a ton of corners here. Revel, Morrison, Johnson. No, Williams, Thomas from Florida State and my wide receivers are here. Besh A Manor, Royals. So these are just like my royal round two guys. I'm looking at my running backs, Johnson, Henderson, Harvey, like they're, they're there for you. Yeah, both linebackers, Campbell and Schessinger. I don't have Walker as linebacker so I just left his name out there. But both of those guys are available now what's interesting is if you're a Cowboys fan and you're interested in drafting a one take or if the Cowboys are interested in one take, your one takes are kind of wiped in round two. Darius Alexander is probably going to be more of a three. He can play some one but that's my last, last second round tackle there. Then we got our round three guys. But I would assume that some of our round three guys, TJ Sanders, Norman, Latin West, Phillips, Peebles, those guys are going to go in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Round two. Here's the bill selection at pick number 30. It looks like they have Tommy from the Make a Wish foundation having a announcement here in the final.

[Vox Lombardi]

Three selections. But yeah, just looking at my board now is it's, it's favoring wires. He running back in corner.

[Kyle Yeomans]

For you. And here's the selection from.

[Vox Lombardi]

The Bills Shouts out Roger. He been drunk all night. He been.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hanging out. He is a 16 year old living with a neuromuscular disorder is a huge Buffalo.

[Bobby Belt]

Bills fan. Before they get to the big Eagles have flipped spots with the Chiefs for.

[Zach Wolchuk]

His beloved. Oh, they're gonna end up with.

[Vox Lombardi]

Mike Grain. Some great players. There we go. Let's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go, buffalo. With the 30th pick in.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The 2025 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bill select Max.

[Brian Broaddus]

L. Harson.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's go. Good for.

[Brian Broaddus]

Him. Going. I kind of thought that was maybe a commander's pick. I could say one of those corporations. But yeah, you know, Harrison, go ahead. If someone else has got him.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Go ahead. Yeah, I mean, I'm a fan of Maxwell Harrison. I mean, he's got the size. Started 20 of 32 games in Kentucky, tied the school record for most interceptions, return for touchdowns with three. He also only allowed three touchdowns his entire career. He was a three star recruit coming out of high school in Michigan. He also lettered in track and basketball. His cousin is Taiwan Jones, who played at Michigan State and with the Jets. He's also got a cousin who played basketball at Michigan State, then played in the NBA. Team captain Ball just seems to kind of find this guy. He breaks on the ball well, passes off coverage well in zone, light build, long frame. I like the recovery speed. And he'll come up and hit you. I mean, this guy's not going to shy away from being physical. You can't teach the knack that he's got for tracking and finding the football. Now, he did get in trouble against Theo Weiss. When I watched him go back and play Mizzou two years ago in man coverage, he allowed him to run by him without getting his hands on him. And that's just simply, hey, he didn't get his jam at the line of scrimmage, but his ability to high point the football and go and get it, I think he's a really, really.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good player. I talked with him in Mobile at the Senior bowl and you can tell he has a knowledge for the game. He's got a high football iq and then you can see it on his tape as well. I mean, he's so fluid in the way that he moves. He, he's able to adjust in his change of direction. Had success playing in both man and zone coverage at different times throughout his time with Kentucky and the sec. I actually compared him to Duron Bland. I think he can play inside out. I think he's a ball hawk. He's got those pick sixes, of course, to the total as well. And then he went to the combine and just lit it up. With a 42840. Put that one five three split out there too. I mean, he's a, an athletic and rangy corner with some football iq. I'm not surprised to see him in the first round. I was kind of low key, hoping he would work into the second, get closer into that 44 range. I think it would have been a, a reach for Dallas to, to have him fall that far because I think he's a, a big time player. Buffalo, I think, gets a steal here and fills a need that they really need on that outside.

[Brian Broaddus]

At corner. Yeah, there's some looseness to his game and I mean looseness with the way that he plays his. He's a fluid moving guy. There's not much, much tightness or stiffness to him at all. You know, when you watch him plant drive, come forward, his IQ is super high and he is a finisher. If he gets his hands on the ball, he's going to get an interception. He's not one of those guys that's going to drop those types of things, but he's really good at reading routes, he can play zone coverage, he's good in space, he's got awareness and he's a sure tackler. This is a really nice pick for the.

[Bobby Belt]

Buffalo Bills. I had polled a few different people that I knew around the league out asking them who was the second corner because I was curious if it was going to be Baron or Will Johnson. The more frequent answer I got back.

[Vox Lombardi]

Was Hairston. Do you guys have, I.

[Bobby Belt]

Think, I think most the league had him above.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Will.

[Vox Lombardi]

Johnson. Wow. Do you guys have him as a nickel or is he.

[Bobby Belt]

Outside quantifier? I could.

[Brian Broaddus]

Play flex. I think that one thing that I said was in my last line was I think he's going to start as a nickel and then they're going to find a way to kind of kick him outside if necessary. I'm not going to say and act like I know the Buffalo Bills starting cornerbacks and stuff.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like that. It.

[Brian Broaddus]

Ain'T Elam. Yeah. And so I was, you know, it might be a situation where they're going to, I think they're going to play him inside and then make him have to, to kind of learn that part of the game if he gets that part of the game. And I, I don't, I don't doubt he will. I, I think that, you know, you let him have to cover the whole entire field playing inside. You know, these, these receivers when they play in the slot, they, they got the whole field to work with. I think this guy can carry. I think he can carry those inside slots. With his ability, he may.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be the number one corner on their roster.

[Vox Lombardi]

Right now. Brian brothers, get ready. We got some Christian Benford in here. We got some Taryn Johnson and Trey White there and. And Daquan Hardy. So yeah, he might be the. The.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Best corner. Dane Jackson. These are all six.

[Brian Broaddus]

And seven. That's why I didn't act like I wanted to know who all those. Those.

[Vox Lombardi]

Guys were. I got some more names. Brandon Cordrington. Where you got him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

At, Brian? He was number one on.

[Brian Broaddus]

My board.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Quality player.

[Vox Lombardi]

Jamar Ingram. Quality name to Corey Couch. Where was he on.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yalls board? Corey Couch, six rounder.

[Brian Broaddus]

For.

[Vox Lombardi]

Me. Yeah. So yeah, Maxwell was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Starting outside. Yeah, he may be outside. Just looking at way this. This.

[Brian Broaddus]

Plays out. I'll tell you what something is. We look at this real quick. That what's encouraging to me, right? And I think, I think that Nick Harris brought this up. We haven't seen the run on the running.

[Bobby Belt]

Backs.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yet.

[Brian Broaddus]

Correct. Yeah. And that. And you know, when you got guys, you know, with Genty and Hampton being gone, okay. That was, you know, that's something that kind of be expected. But you know, with Johnson being there for me from Iowa, Henderson, I.

[Vox Lombardi]

Was terrified. Henderson to be.

[Brian Broaddus]

Gone by. Yeah. Sampson, junkins, Harvey, I mean Dallas might. If they want to go that route at 44, this thing might stretch. I'm looking for very good. I'm not looking for good. Trying to make it as simple as possible for you. Give me very good. Don't carry me too far down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Into good. Well, and take a look at wide receiver too. You still have burden from Missouri. You have Trey Harris from Ole Miss, Jalen, Royals, Utah State, Bobby, Jack Besh, tcu. All these guys are.

[Brian Broaddus]

Still available. Bobby is burdened a pain in.

[Bobby Belt]

The ass. I think there's a question about.

[Tommy Yarish]

His.

[Bobby Belt]

Commitment. Okay. And how locked Drinkwitz came.

[Brian Broaddus]

Out and said, listen everybody that's talking poorly about this kid, and there's some people that says that when he was running routes and things like that, that he knew the ball was not going down the field to him. You know, and maybe there wasn't the fire in the belly like there.

[Vox Lombardi]

Was. Man. I'll tell you what, this leadership will fix.

[Brian Broaddus]

That.

[Vox Lombardi]

Brian. Yeah. Four in 88 will fix that. Get that kid here. I don't care if he's a headache or if he's a butt. I don't want to cuss on dot com right now, but if.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If he on the radio, if he.

[Vox Lombardi]

Got Some like diva issues going on. Like get leadership around him to fix those diva issues. As far as him being a player, look, he's a guy that's on my board. He's a first round player on my board. He's way up top for me. So if you can get him at 44, I think it's a party. I think you run to go get.

[Bobby Belt]

Luther Bird. I think they like.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Him. Dallas. Yeah. I mean at this point I've got him at 20 on my board. He's the best receiver left in my opinion. He would absolutely be tremendous value to get him at 44. And that's where you take. Yeah. Saying wide receivers a diva. Are you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kidding me?

[Zach Wolchuk]

They all. That's.

[Brian Broaddus]

The position.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I just. You had Michael Irvin on.

[Brian Broaddus]

Your team. Like I said, hey, come on. I'll deal with a pain in the ass if he's making a lot of plays, but I'll tell you what, this guy wins. This guy wins off the line and the separation and his, the way he moves and the short area, quickness. I mean, I know we're going to be talking, talking about Dallas, but if, if in fact people are dinging him because he's a pain in the ass and you get to 44, I'd sure consider this guy at.

[Bobby Belt]

That spot. I only ding him for the fact that I was not a fan of. I mean, obviously 24 was not as good as 23. 23 is better tape. That was a little disappointing. He was a little banged up, I think in 24. But for me, the bigger issue is the fact that I don't know how much I saw consistently enough him running NFL type of routes or the type of routes that I would want him to run in the NFL. There's just a lot that was catch, make a play and Missouri. No, I know, but. But I'm saying in general, like I don't. I'm not saying it means he's a bad player. I'm saying I don't have enough information to feel com. Like really comfortable. It's the Malachi Corley question that kind of burned me.

[Brian Broaddus]

Last year. We're going to talk about Tootin from, from Virginia Tech, the running back. And you know what I'm going to say? I'm going to come on here and say, man, I love the way he runs the ball. I love this, I love that. Can you tell me if he could catch the ball? And is that the kid's fault? No, it's Virginia Tech's fault for their terrible offense. You know, so to me, like I say, I think there was some things that Missouri, you're right about the tape being better. You know, maybe the, maybe the quarterback playing a little better. But man, when this guy caught the ball on the move, he was running through. I mean, he was explosive. Almost like watching CD Lamb at Oklahoma when he catch the ball underneath and then go. That type of guy. So I.

[Vox Lombardi]

Don'T know. Burden Henderson or Revel at 44.

[Brian Broaddus]

For you. Okay, I've got it. Let me pull up my. The stack because I want to make sure. I don't want to. I don't.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Want to. We got.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Eagles. Yeah. While you pull it up, the Eagles are on the clock at.

[Zach Wolchuk]

31. Trade. Yeah, I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Got you. They trade 3, 32 and 164 to the Chiefs to move up.

[Brian Broaddus]

One spot. Here's Roger, the 31st pick to the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Philadelphia Eagles. With the 31st pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select Jihad Campbell.

[Vox Lombardi]

Linebacker, Alabama. They just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Risky. Riz, can't stand these guys. That's a, that's a good pick for a team that's in your.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Division R. All right, it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure is. We are about ready to wrap up round number one of the NFL draft. When we come back, we will have all 32 picks in and we will update you on the status of the Dallas Cowboys post first round draft press conference. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network and Dallas Cowboys dot com. So Jihad Campbell, linebacker, Alabama, is now a Philadelphia Eagle and it just happens.

[Brian Broaddus]

Every year. Mike Green must be a terrible.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Person too. Yeah, because I mean, my.

[Vox Lombardi]

Gosh, I mean, he's outstanding a leader though, because I'll.

[Brian Broaddus]

Take him. See, I mean.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You want. You.

[Brian Broaddus]

Watch him. Yeah, but you watch him play and, and you know, it's just. He's got the bend, he's got the ability to dip under. I mean, there must be a lot of things that we. We're just watching tape and that's. And that's the thing that we. And that's the disadvantage that we have right now. That tape is damn good. I mean, the problem is there's something else that's keeping Mike Green from getting picked in.

[Zach Wolchuk]

This thing. I can't. I mean, he's the fifth best player on my board. I love him. Somebody's going to end up getting a steal on day two. This is a good pick for them though, the Eagles to get Jihad Campbell, who also played at IMG Academy and then in college at Alabama with Tyler Booker. Your newest Dallas Cowboy, but.

[Brian Broaddus]

Fourth best player on.

[Zach Wolchuk]

My board. Yeah, he's, he, he's a really good linebacker. I had him as the top line. Super athletic and he looks the part. I mean he's got the size, plays with range. He's got a good feeling awareness for zone coverage. Big interception in the Georgia game for Alabama and he can run with tight ends up the field. He's also got pass rush ability off the edge. He's a field general type of linebacker. He's got burst acceleration. He, he can just refine the angles and consistency when it comes to. To shedding blocks. But he is a very talented three down linebacker. There were just some, some possible injury issues with him.

[Bobby Belt]

As well. Y', all, y' all didn't see a guesser that, that's why I didn't have him in the first round. I saw a guy, I saw a guy who guesses a lot. Yeah, I think he trusts wrong and I mean that's something that you hope he can clean up. But again that's something that you'd have to feel comfortable about. What kind of a student is he? So I mean it's something where, yeah, the Philadelphia getting a guy here who has got big up side, that's great. But like I think this is far from a slam dunk player. I think there's a lot that still needs to be worked out.

[Vox Lombardi]

With him. See Bobby, just you saying that. Let me just take you on my journey. Watching Campbell first I was like, all right, cool. He kind of sees it all right. But then I watched Carson and I was like, all right, cool job. Really don't see it as well as I thought he did. So Bobby on or something.

[Brian Broaddus]

That's, that's. I think Bobby. The thing that, the problem that I saw is where he will take himself out of position because trying to go under blocks, that's the thing that I kind of was. But then the sideline to sideline stuff and he's got some power, he's got some pop. He does a good job of forcing the ball back to the inside, you know, but you know, he understands where he needs to fit by reading the quarterback. I think he does a good job with the length and presents problems with those tight window throws. But the one area, and like I say, you might think it's guess and then I. You know what, I can't disagree with it but I just think he tries to run under things and that gets him in maybe in more trouble than.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It should. I'm right there with you, Brian. I Said on my notes, I said there were times Campbell would get caught flat footed or out of position, but most of the time that was when he was caught in traffic trying to be too aggressive, trying to go over the or under the knee. Underneath those blocks. Try and get underneath it. Do it all. Linebacker, notable instincts, coverage ability. Physical tackler, downhill rusher. Overall, I liked Campbell enough to put him in the early parts of the second round. So at 31st overall in the, in the, the first round, I think this is.

[Brian Broaddus]

A right. Would you guys take. And I have Campbell over. I'm just asking, would you take Swissenger from UCLA ahead.

[Bobby Belt]

Of.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Him? Yes. He's a more extinctive player for.

[Brian Broaddus]

This team. Yes, but no, no, for just as a draft, as a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Draft pick. No, I have, I have my stack higher.

[Vox Lombardi]

With Campbell. I'm phony, man. I got Campbell high, but I love Carson a little more. I'm.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Just phony. I kind of feel what.

[Vox Lombardi]

You'Re saying. I'm phony. You know what.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I'm saying? I put Campbell ahead of Schwechinger.

[Vox Lombardi]

As well. Yeah, but I think sweating Campbell has.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A pass. Why would you put him ahead if you, if you don't.

[Bobby Belt]

Like him? I just don't know that there's a single position on the football field that will kill you quicker if your instincts are bad. Yeah, the linebacker.

[Brian Broaddus]

And Schlesinger. And Schlesinger has maybe the best, some of the best instincts in.

[Bobby Belt]

The drive. Got such a natural feeling. Jihad Campbell, he's a great athlete, but I just, I can't trust.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It to go back and answer your initial question there, Vod, you know, like how you got.

[Vox Lombardi]

Him stacked.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yes, sir. I've got Revel, Bird and then Henderson, in that order. I also would expect Travion Henderson to probably be the first running back off the board tomorrow. Just based on the speed, the explosiveness. I think it's probably going to be Quin. Sean Judkins is the guy they'd be looking at at 44 if he makes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It there. And I, I know they like him a lot. I put it in my mock draft this morning. I think their dream would be Henderson making it to 44. But don't be surprised if Quinton Judkins is the pick at 44 if he ends up making it that far. Either way, I mean, we talked about burden as an opportunity. We've got one more selection. The pick is in for.

[Brian Broaddus]

The Kansas. Here's. Here's our.

[Vox Lombardi]

Ohio State. Probably same. There's got to.

[Brian Broaddus]

Be some. Yeah. And I'm going to kiss Andy Reid when I see him.

[Vox Lombardi]

Next time. What.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A pick. Second time you said that.

[Vox Lombardi]

This.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Week. Yep. Well, we'll go straight to Roger Goodell on the other side. First round from Kansas City. With the 32nd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Josh Simmons, tackle Ohio State. Roger Goodell, giving us the final pick of the first round in the 2025 NFL Draft. Tackle Josh Simmons, Ohio State. One of Brian Broaddus and Vach Lombardi's favorite players in this NFL draft, and he goes to one of the richest offensive lines and.

[Vox Lombardi]

Offensive powers. Just a natural man. It's easy for him. Just a fantastic pass setter, fantastic pass block. His hands just fall into the right place. And you would think with some of these guys that are fantastic movement guys that maybe they lack some physical, physical and some grit. Man. Josh Simmons puts people in the dirt, too. He moves bodies in the run game. Fantastic down blocker. And I think whatever you want to run, whether you're, you know, comboing guys, whether you do on guys, whether you want to outside zone, pin and pull, whatever you want to do. He's versatile enough to do anything. You know, the whole knee thing is a thing, but if you tap me on the shoulder and say that the knee is fine, he'll be ready for camp. He's the sixth best player on my board and he's one of my last first round grades here. So the Kansas City Chiefs, to be at the very end of the draft and to get this fella here that I thought could go top 10. I mean, kudos to. To them. While Brian is kissing.

[Brian Broaddus]

Andy Reid. Yeah, they gave the big man a kiss for that. This guy's effortless in the way he plays, the body position, the balance. It's like he's not even trying easy, you know, and he's just, he's able to get in space second level. He's a nightmare when he gets into space. He sees a target, he finishes. He plays with natural leverage to his game. He's dry blocker, he gets under defenders, he gets him out of the hole. He's got violence, he's got natural ability. I mean, there's, you know, there's so much to like about, you know, I said can prove his hand use. I'm nitpicking right there. That's just trying to make something up to make him sound a little bad. But this guy, he's. If not for the knee injury, we'd be talking about this guy in the top, top five there's, there's just bet he would be the best. I still think he's the best. Best tackle in the draft, but obviously people thought that his Patel attended was going to be a.

[Bobby Belt]

Problem here.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And character.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, sure. He was a character guy.

[Brian Broaddus]

Too, apparently. I'd be happy to have a character that's kicking.

[Vox Lombardi]

People'S ass.

[Brian Broaddus]

Good character. Yeah, I just, I just played in the super bowl and I got an offensive tackle that could probably play for 12 years for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right there. I did ask and he's in a good spot. I mean, just, I think.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It'S the best pick of the.

[Bobby Belt]

First round. I did ask around. At least one team has Mike Green off.

[Brian Broaddus]

Their board. Okay, that, that's. That, that's understandable then if that. Man, if that's the case, that's what we're dealing with. And the disadvantage we have is we, we can sometimes hear medical or character and stuff. We're just trying to watch the tape the best we can. And the kids got some really good tape. But the character is, you know, that's big for some of these teams. And so that's why Mike Green is going to be a consideration for some teams tomorrow in the.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Second round. All right, wrapping up the final five picks of the first round in the 2025 draft. 28, the Lions take Tyk Williams, defensive tackle from Ohio State. 29. The Washington Commanders take Josh Connerly Jr. Offensive tackle from Oregon. The Bills at 30 take Maxwell Hairston, corner from Kentucky. And then the Eagles trade flipping spots at 31 and 32 with Kansas City. So the Eagles at 31 take Jihad Campbell, linebacker from Alabama. The Chiefs pick up pick number 164. And they take Josh Simmons to end the first round offensive tackle from Ohio State. All 32 picks on day one are now in the books. Brian, I want to look at your board top to bottom. Where do you end up having your top names going into day two? And we're going to get to sleep on this thing. But yeah, looking at it, there are a lot of really.

[Brian Broaddus]

Good names. Yeah, I'm. I'm all about. I'm all about Luther Burden at wide receiver. Receiver. I'm all about Revelle at corner. I'm all about Morrison Green. Bobby's got to convince me that otherwise, but I would sure consider him as an edge. I'm just giving you names, but I'm really encouraged by these running backs with Johnson from Iowa being there, Henderson being there, Sampson Junkins. I'm encouraged that if you want to go that route, but there's some good wide receivers. You felt like if you missed out, maybe you could get one of these wide receivers there. At 44, I think this thing sets up pretty good for them tomorrow. The way this thing's going.

[Zach Wolchuk]

To start. It's really good for corners. I mean, you got all your guys there. Will Johnson still available. Rebel still there. Benjamin Morrison's available. Tre Amos is still out there. So the corners are there. And to only have two running backs go in the first round, I thought maybe three could go. So Caleb Johnson, Trayvon Henderson, I think Quinshon Judkins is certainly in play. Do they end up waiting in a dressing corner? Maybe Luther Burden falls to them. Maybe a Mike Green falls to them. I mean, Mike Green was the fifth best player on my board, so definitely. Hey, I can't speak to the character, the player itself. I don't think there's any doubt. In my opinion he's going to come in and be an excellent pass rusher at the next level. But there are still a, a lot of really good players and a ton of good safeties. Yeah, I mean, Makuba Watts, Watts, Winston Jr, Emin worry who I've got behind all those guys, but still. And at receiver. Jalen Royals is certainly a guy that I'd like out of Utah State. Trey Harris, Ole Miss. I mean, it still, it sets up very nicely for the.

[Vox Lombardi]

Cowboys tomorrow. Pick 12 guys you like and one of them will be there. And I think we have a fantastic opportunity to walk away with Luther Burton. If he's there, you go run and get him. I'm just giving you guys four or so names just to kind of rank them a little bit. But just looking at it like Jack Besh could be in that conversation for you, even some of these tackles, I don't know if we're going to go tackle that early, but you know, third round, possibly Sanders, Norman Lott, Wes Phillips, like, they're all there for you. So I think these next two picks could possibly be defense. You know, whether it's a combination of linebacker and tackle. All your edges there you want to go, edges. Donovan EZ is there. Sorrell Swenson. Just pick, pick a guy. Don't overthink it. Like there's, there's talent here and we're picking at 12. It's not like we're at the back of 12, the back of the second round. We're looking at like a third round, a third round grade. Like we could walk away with a, with a one, two punch that we feel really, really good.

[Brian Broaddus]

About Brian. Yeah, that's this thing with the wide receivers, I think is. Is very encouraging to me. The running backs encouraging me. The corners are very encouraging to me right now. I think, like I say, there's. There's plenty of names that when you start to run down and you get to Dallas's spot there at 44, I think you're going to be really happy with. When we're talking about them, I think we're going to talk about two or three names that could really come in here and potentially be starters.

[Bobby Belt]

For you. Yeah, I mean, receiver, corner, running back. This all sets up pretty well, I think, for them tomorrow. The running back, I think the, you know, you're mentioned Zach. The fact that only two win, I think that that's the thing that you should be most excited about if you're Dallas and you're really looking to add to the run game is the fact that it seems like a lot of the league thought this is a deep running back draft. We don't have to push anything. Like, we can let this slide a little bit, we can let it ride a little bit. And so does Travion Henderson make it all the way down to you at 44? That would have been thought, I think, as really wishful thinking at the start of today. The fact that he's there in the second round, though, is good. Now we'll see how frequently every year it seems like what's going to happen tomorrow. Brian's going to come in here with four guys he likes. Zach's going to name four. Like Botch is going to have three or four. And what we're going to do is we're going to see in the first five picks, every. Every single one of those five picks are going to be somebody that y' all mentioned. And that's the way it works typically. And so, yeah, you sleep on your board. There will be teams that really start to target people. You may see some trades up at the top of those first few picks of the second round, but I think if Dallas. Dallas is just willing to sit there and hold tight. I think that they'll have somebody fall to them that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They like. So you said sit there and hold tight. Is there anybody worth taking? I know we talked about moving up to possibly 27 using the third round pick in order to package it to get back into the first. It would be a cheaper move. Now, is there anybody worth moving up even a little bit for if they're available? Is it a guy.

[Brian Broaddus]

Like Burden? Burden's a one on my Board's a one. On my board, I think I got corners that are. All the corners that I have are first round grades are banged up. Guys, it's the knees, it's the hips, things like that. I think they're going to be great value, much like what Porter was a couple of years ago, that everybody kept passing on the guy, passing on the guy, and now you got a couple of guys. So, yeah, to me, I would. I definitely think about going after Burden if it was.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Me. I. How quickly would you wait to start making.

[Brian Broaddus]

Those calls? You know. Know what? As soon as I walk in the building tomorrow and give me a nice little breakfast here, I'm getting on the phone with some teams ahead of me and seeing where these guys are at, you know, and if some teams are saying, yeah, come on up, we can. You know, I'm planting some seeds right off the jump and I'm trying to get myself in position to maybe grab him if I can go up some spots and kind of gauge, okay, what are the teams ahead of me? Does anybody need a wide receiver? And then I kind of just said, okay, that's. That team doesn't. That team doesn't. That team doesn't, you know, and then work it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That way. You're looking at the Browns to start it off. It's Browns, Texans, Titans, Browns again as a part of that trade with Jacksonville. Then it's the Raiders. The Browns could certainly use a wide receiver in that conversation. So maybe Burdens right off the board at the jump and you don't really have any flexibility there. But I think is as soon as he's off the board, I mean, the Texans there or 34 could possibly do it. Burden's going to be a tough fall. I feel like you're going to have to start getting up.

[Brian Broaddus]

There early. Well, it's like I said, okay, give me a couple positions. Would you guys rather. Do you think like we can. You want to move up for Henderson? Does anybody want to. Anybody interested in.

[Bobby Belt]

Doing that? I'm not interested in moving for anybody right now. The way I look at it, I'd rather just fall that, especially not having a fourth. If I had a fourth, maybe I'd talk about some of these, but right now I'd rather just sit and see where.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It goes. Yeah, well, there's a lot of things that are going to happen and you get to sleep on your board. Next year's, you get to look at it. Next year's pick, let's.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Do it. Next.

[Vox Lombardi]

Year'S pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mess around. Let's go get our guys as well. I mean there's a lot of different things to to handle for.

[Brian Broaddus]

Going into. I'm going to get that wide receiver a one what I'm going to get he's a first round wide.

[Vox Lombardi]

Receiver. I'm. I don't want those divas on my team. Brian, you give up one.

[Brian Broaddus]

Now, giving up next year's one.

[Vox Lombardi]

I might.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, okay. You shirt up your offensive.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

12. Okay. Tyler Booker, offensive guard from Alabama was the pick for the Cowboys at pick number 12. As he is the newest Dallas Cowboy. We'll get to hear more from him tomorrow. Hear from the coaching staff in the front office. Very quickly. Fred Davis, Chris Arnold are going to take the local programming all the way up until 1am Special thanks to everybody on the Dallas Cowboys radio network over the last four hours of coverage. It's been a ton of fun throughout night one. Zack Wolchuk, Brian Broadus, V. Lombardi, Bobby Belt, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish. Be sure to follow their coverage all weekend long on 105 3, the fan Dallas Cowboys.com as well. Special thanks to Peyton Russell, Dylan Moore, Carter Freeman back in the Dallas Cowboys radio network studios tonight in our flagship station of 1053 the fan. Back behind us we have Scott Purcell, Chris Beam, Matthew Kent, Derek Eagleton, Nick Eatman, everybody. That puts it all together for us throughout the draft coverage. Our draft coverage for round number two and three starts tomorrow 6pm central time. Be there or be square on 105 3, the fans streaming app on the Odyssey app and on Dallas Cowboys.com through the entire weekend as we lead you through all 257 picks of the NFL Draft. Once again, the Cowboys take at 12 overall. They take Tyler Booker, offensive guard out of Alabama. He's your newest Dallas Cowboy. For our entire crew, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the star in Frisco in night one of the 2025.

[Brian Broaddus]

NFL Draft.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Thanks, Peyton.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Thanks, buddy. Good job, Peyton.

[Vox Lombardi]

Well.

[Tommy Yarish]

Done.

[Vox Lombardi]

Ma'. Am. This is Julian Edelman from Games.

[Kyle Yeomans]

With Names. Now let's get into the season. Serious stuff. We're talking football food, specifically daisy French onion dip. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices. Also made with some daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a.

[Bobby Belt]

Long standing staple for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Taco Tuesday. They also have daisy ranch dip. So get out there and give daisy French onion dip a try. You will not.