Draft Show: Round 2 & 3 Roundup

Summary

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The Draft Show: 2025 NFL Draft – Rounds 2 & 3 Recap

Podcast: The Draft Show
Date: April 26, 2025
Hosts/Analysts: Kyle Yeomans, Bryan Broaddus, Voch Lombardi, Bobby Belt, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Zach Wolchuk
Episode Focus: In-depth analysis of Day 2 of the 2025 NFL Draft, Dallas Cowboys' approach, live reactions to picks, and strategy discussion for Rounds 2 and 3.

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Episode Overview

Day 2 of the 2025 NFL Draft saw the Dallas Cowboys execute a disciplined, best-player-available approach. As the team sought to address needs at running back, receiver, corner, and defensive tackle, the Draft Show crew provided in-the-moment breakdowns and strategic insight. They tracked the Cowboys’ moves at picks 44 (Round 2) and 76 (Round 3), analyzed the broader draft landscape, and debated future needs and trade possibilities with unfiltered energy and authentic draft-room vibes.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Cowboys’ Day 2 Draft Capital and Team Needs [00:29–03:13]

• Kyle Yeomans set the stage: Cowboys held picks 44 and 76.
• Major team needs: running back, receiver, defensive tackle, and corner.
• Bryan Broaddus on strategy:

  "The board sets up for them very nicely...I think the quality of cornerbacks—some guys up there with some injury histories...But this should be a fascinating day, how they navigate some of these picks, especially if they're looking at running back at 44." [01:44]

2. Discussion: Should the Cowboys Trade Up or Down? [03:13–05:47]

• Tommy Yarish advocated to package later picks and move into the fourth:

  "It goes back to what I've said all along, which is I think this team should look into packaging some of their later day three picks and try to get back into the fourth round with the amount of depth this class has..." [03:13]

• The crew debated flexibility: Do you move up for a specific need, or down to recoup picks and capitalize on depth?

3. Cowboys’ “Best Player Available” Mindset [05:47–07:41]

• Voch Lombardi coined the mood:

  "There are trades afoot...I would imagine that they're not going to use these picks to try to fill needs. I really think that they're going to take the best possible dudes that they can find, and then once we're done here, they're going to relook at everything and go, 'all right, now let's do the we're not done yet thing.'" [06:35]

4. Tracking Early 2nd Round Moves & Cowboys’ Targets [08:21–10:12]

• Crew watched the board anxiously as RBs and WRs started going.
• Nick Harris identified RBs and Luther Burden (WR) as early priorities, doubting they’d fall to 44.
• Bryan Broaddus detailed why Iowa’s Caleb Johnson would be a scheme fit:

  "His running style is kind of in line if they want to do some of that stuff where those combo blocks and things are going on." [09:04–10:12]

5. Key 2nd-Round Draft Developments [10:12–21:57]

• Notable Early Picks:
  • Carson Swessinger (LB, UCLA → Browns)
    Voch, visibly upset:

    "He was the first name that I wrote down and I'm entirely sick." [13:04]

  • Jaden Higgins (WR, Iowa State → Texans): Crew found it a reach.
  • Nick Imanwori (S, South Carolina → Seahawks): Mixed reactions; some questioned his consistency despite tools.
  • Quinshon Judkins (RB, Ohio State → Browns):
    Tommy Yarish, surprised:

    "I'm just surprised that it wasn't his teammate [Henderson] that was drafted above him." [23:18]

  • Travion Henderson (RB, Ohio State → Patriots):
    Voch:

    "Fantastic player. Like I said, big play, big play." [36:49]

6. Dallas’ Draft Board: Strategy and War Room Dynamics [51:29–54:15]

• Broaddus and others watched the Cowboys’ war room cam, noting heated debate:

  "Will [McClay] is fighting to pick this player…Steven might be…working on that fourth round pick…" [52:30]

7. Cowboys’ 2nd-Round Pick: Donovan Ezraku, EDGE, Boston College [69:22–74:22]

• Selection:
  • 44th overall: Donovan Ezraku (EDGE, Boston College)
• Nick Harris (who had a first-round grade on Ezraku):

  "This is the most athletic pass rusher in this entire class…He lines up wide, swims and rips through opposing tackles. Violent decisive hands...I think this is the most athletic pass rusher in this entire class." [69:41]

• Broaddus:

  "This Guy was the 26th player in my stats. So again, I think it was a really, really good pick. They really not thinking much about the needs right now. They're just drafting good football players." [70:58]

• War Room Secret Audio, Jerry Jones to Ezraku:

  "We were sure happy when you got down there right at us, so...boy, when we saw we had you, we just said, don't mess around here. Let's get him." [101:40]

8. Continued Run on Defensive Skill Talent and Corners [76:22–83:36]

• Notably, injured corners (Will Johnson, Benjamin Morrison, Savon Revel) kept sliding.
• Intense debate: When should Dallas pounce on a risky, high-upside corner?
• Kyle Yeomans summed up the anxiety:

  "Cowboys are now within five selections of their next pick at pick number 44. I want to hear your top names on your board momentarily..."

9. 3rd-Round Anticipation: Cowboys’ Pick and Debate [186:11–194:37]

• 76th overall Pick: Savon Revel Jr. (CB, East Carolina)
  A first-round talent who fell due to an early-season ACL tear—Cowboys' own Dr. Dan Cooper performed the surgery.
• Voch described the fit:

  "Size, length, can run, plays the ball in the air, gets picks, ball skills, great man coverage, physical press coverage guy, he's a first round grade for a lot of people." [194:53]

• Tommy Yarish on value and risk:

  "If Dr. Cooper's giving them a report that says, hey, I feel like this guy's going to come in and play really well at a high level for you, like we saw on film at East Carolina, then you got to feel good about where you're getting him." [195:41]

10. Player Interviews: The Newest Cowboys Speak

• Donovan Ezraku interview highlights:

  "I'm a dog. I consider myself a dog. And I'm going to get to the football by any, any means...That's what this organization is getting out of me for sure." [91:01]

• Savon Revel Jr. interview highlights:

  "Man, it's just crazy…my whole family is just, it's a Cowboys fan…I'm doing my rehab, my training in Dallas, Texas…It's good, man. I feel like I'll be back by like training camp." [207:47–209:07] "The energy was crazy...I already felt like I was home, you know what I mean? Because I was already there training and doing rehab, and they made it feel more at home." [211:39]

11. Secret Audio from the War Room

• Ezraku pick:
  Coach Eberflus:

  "I stood on the stump for you, man. I'm just telling you that...do you get a blue pass rusher? That means you're great with blue character like you. That's a rare occasion, man, you know, and you're a dog too." [103:01]

• Revel pick:
  Jerry Jones:

  "Well, you're a Dallas Cowboy now, and I'm gonna hand you over to coach. He wants to talk to you." [223:29] Coach Schottenheimer:
  "Hey, listen. Hey, we are so excited you're part of the family, man...use that length, that strength, fit the run and make plays on the ball, man." [223:44–224:02]

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Notable Quotes

• "F them needs, really. If it's Green...if it's our Boston College kid...they've got this thing stacked the way they want it and so maybe that's the guy Will McClay was fighting for." – Bryan Broaddus [68:49]
• "We're just taking good players off our stack. Period." – Multiple panelists, paraphrasing Brian Schottenheimer’s team philosophy
• "You can never have enough pass rushers." – Tommy Yarish on Ezraku selection [72:59]
• "There is risk…and I think if you look at the player and you look at the film...when I was watching him, I saw shades...of Sauce Gardner." – Kyle Yeomans on Savon Revel, Jr. [198:39]
• "At each of these three rounds, they had a guy fall to them who was so high on their board." – Tommy Yarish, summing up Dallas’ approach [227:46]

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• Cowboys' pre-draft board and needs: [00:29–05:47]
• Pick-by-pick reactions, early day two: [10:12–21:57]
• Donovan Ezraku pick and analysis: [69:22–74:22]
• Savon Revel pick and analysis: [194:37–196:45]
• War Room audio (Ezraku): [101:40]
• War Room audio (Revel): [223:03]
• Interview: Donovan Ezraku: [88:42–94:52]
• Interview: Savon Revel: [207:47–213:46]
• Day 2 recap and Day 3 preview: [277:51–283:55]

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Rich Takeaways for Day 3

• Despite not addressing WR or RB in Rounds 2 or 3, the Cowboys have "best player available" bargains at critical defensive spots—edge and corner.
• Multiple analysts expect trades (for veteran WR or RB) or an aggressive move up the board to grab a Day 3 back. The draft's RB and DT depth means many “target names” are still live for Dallas at the top of the fifth.
• Cowboys' draft characterized by high-character, versatile, and competitive defenders, with team leadership not afraid to let need take a backseat to their ideally stacked board.

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The Draft Show’s Day 2 Tone

Lively, rapid-fire, passionate, unfiltered. The roundtable’s banter is steeped in authentic draft-room analysis, punctuated with personal heartbreak when favorite picks go elsewhere and joyful chest-thumping when the board falls their way.

Each host delivers both film and character context, referencing league and Dallas whispers, and provides immediate reactions to war room camera feeds. The show doubles as both a "fan companion" and a real-world look at how NFL teams juggle value, risk, and need during one of the league’s most unpredictable nights.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

If you couldn’t follow every pick as it happened, this episode delivers a master class in draft-board discipline, war room debate, and the emotional rollercoaster of team-building. Standout player descriptions, insider war room audio, and true-to-life reactions make this an essential catch-up for anyone invested in the Cowboys’ future or NFL Draft strategy at its finest.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, okay.

[C]

Yeah, that's fine. NFL Draft with Kyle Yeoman, Zach Wolshock, Brian Bronaz, Bobby Bellas, Nick Harris and Tommy Yarish, Night number two is officially underway in Green Bay, Wisconsin. It's the 2025 NFL Draft on Dallas Cowboys.com and 1053 the Fan as we lead you into the first hour of many over these next four hours. Actually five hours if you go all the way up until that 11 o' clock hour, cannot wait for day number two. Alongside Brian Broaddus, Tommy Yarish, Vox Lombardi, Bobby Belt, I'm Kyle Yeoman, soon to be joined by Zach Wolchuk and Nick Harris as we lead you in tonight. 2. The Dallas Cowboys hold the 44th and and 76th overall picks in the second round and the third round respectively. And of course, they took Tyler Booker, the offensive guard out of Alabama with the 12th overall pick. We'll await the stage announcement to officially get us kicked off momentarily from Green Bay. But Brian Broadest, one pick down for the Dallas Cowboys at this very moment. Nine more to go.

[D]

Yeah, it's, it should be a really exciting day for your Dallas Cowboys. I just feel like the board sets up for them very nicely. I mean, I'm kind of looking at my board, but if you're talking about positions and you know, Steven Jones went into some things, hey, we don't need to force things. We don't have to take a running back. I, I was like, stephen, man, there's like a lot of really good running backs up on that board we might want to consider right there. So, yeah, I think when you look at the running backs, the wide receivers, defensive tackle, potentially those one techniques and these cornerbacks, I think the quality of cornerbacks, some guys up there with some injury histories that they're kind of having to deal with, I would include Will Johnson from Michigan in that group. But this should be a fascinating day, how they navigate some of these picks, especially if they're looking at running back at 44. You have a couple of teams in Cleveland and Chicago that have multiple picks, multiple needs at at running back.

[C]

Also, not to mention you only have the two selections to fill what we think are multiple needs across the board on this football team. I know like you said, wide receiver, corner are very high. Running back and defensive tackle are very high. There may be a combination of those to just make this work. Tommy, when it comes to the Cowboys with what they have at the moment, we've talked about the the day three options, so we'll leave that be at the moment. But do you feel like they can do enough on day two specifically to FIL spots?

[E]

I think they can fill some of them. I think two picks on day two is not necessarily enough to fill the needs that you've got on this roster. It goes back to what I've said all along, which is I think this team should look into packaging some of their later day three picks and try to get back into the fourth round with the amount of depth this class has, the amount of guys that are starting caliber. I think that can be there for you in the fourth round. I think it's worth it to move some capital around and get back into there. They traded that pick away for Jonathan Mingo. So you can go a bunch of different ways and however you want today. I mean, clearly, even if they don't trade into the fourth, they're going to go whichever way they want. I think the, the entire Cowboys brass has been very clear about that. They're going to pick whoever they think is the best available player on the board. They're not going to limit themselves to any sort of position. But wide receiver, corner, defensive tackle, all still very glaring needs. Running back, too. I think you could say are all still glaring needs for this team. And I think if you had another pick either in the top 100 or in the fourth round, you get closer to addressing that. And then maybe you look at an option like the trades that they've been hitting or external free agents that still may be on the board to kind of round out this team going into 20, 25.

[B]

What if. What if that. That capital you talk about a packaging is get up back in the fourth round. What if that's capital to try and move back up from the third? If you feel like there's a run on your guys, move, move up, you get further up from your third round.

[D]

Pick of going up.

[B]

If you say you've got enough needs and you like enough players here, and you say, I'm going to take somebody at the second round, maybe it's a receiver, for instance, and then you feel like, all right, we're going to try with the running backs, but if you start seeing the Running backs go, do they say, all right, we're going to take our third and some of those fifths, and we're going up to get the running back with that?

[E]

Yeah, if they like them enough, I think that's fine.

[D]

That's kind of what I was sitting there talking about before we. I went on. I was on 153 the Fan, and I just get a feeling that Steven Jones, Will McClay and Coach Shoddy are. They're looking at their board right now, and Will's trying to say, listen, if we really, really like this guy, if we've got a high enough grade, like, it's worth it to maybe, you know, let's. Let's kind of look at the situation. Let's monitor. Let's see where we could possibly get. Let's see where this guy can maybe fall to us. You know, I think there's a lot of options here. I don't think they're just now walking into the war room and saying, okay, Roger Goodell, open this thing up and let's draft. I think Will Coach Schottenheimer and Stephen Jones have an idea that they're probably looking at trade charts right now, and they're probably trying to kind of figure out, okay, who could we call? You know, they. They say they don't like to do that, but here we are. If they want a player back bad enough, they're going to pick up the phone. I think Tommy's right about that.

[C]

And we talked about that on the podcast side of things. You may want to have a specific target if you are going to trade up and go get a guy. Now the Cleveland Browns are officially on the clock. Roger Goodell has us underway in Green Bay. So the second round in day two of the NFL draft has been started.

[F]

You know, if you listen to the. To the Joneses, like they've been saying, I'm not lying. We're not up.

[C]

I'm trying. Making sure.

[D]

Go for it.

[F]

I'm good to go. Y' all can hear me?

[E]

No, no, y' all cannot hear.

[B]

Okay, Vox, just sign, and then I'll. I'll repeat what I think you're saying. Jerry Jones and them.

[E]

We got our resident Vodch translator.

[B]

They out here.

[C]

Come talk on my microphone.

[F]

We good to go. Check it.

[G]

Out.

[E]

Shout out to Chris Beam, the best.

[F]

Radio editor shouts out to Bam. So the Joneses have been saying to you that, hey, we're not done yet. We're not done yet. So I imagine that there are some trades afoot that there's Some post draft moving that's going to be going on. So I would imagine that they're not going to use these picks to try to fill needs. I really think that they're going to take the best possible dudes that they can find, and then once we're done here, they're going to relook at everything and go, all right, now let's do the we're not done yet thing. So to Bobby's point and all that, if we're going to trade up and get a guy, if they feel like that they're running out of guys, then get. Get who you like. Just get real good. Like, you know, we may not be looking at edge right now, but Mike Green is there. Like, let's talk about, you know, take, take, take the best possible guys. And if there's any holes left over, let's just kind of deal with it later. One of my guys, Carson Swessinger, a linebacker. Linebacker's not a emergency need, but that dude reminds me of Sean Lee. I would love to take him. And you may not draft the one take you want. You may not. Y' all in the camera while I'm talking. You may not get the one take you want. You may not get the. The wide receiver you want, but if they plan on filling that afterwards, then go get the linebacker, go get the pass rush, go get Luther Burton, whatever.

[C]

There are a lot of ways that they could go. And my favorite thing you've said throughout this entire draft process so far is there are trades afoot. Yeah, I'm going to see if we can use that as we continue on. We're going to look in the war room. There's going to be a phone call. We're going to say there are trades afoot.

[F]

Trades afoot.

[C]

And that one's from Vach Lombardi, as we welcome in Nick Harris, Fort Worth Star Telegram to the show. You're a little bit late, but you were working. There was a reason behind.

[H]

Sorry, guys. It's. I was working. I do.

[C]

You also went on a caffeine run.

[H]

I also went on a caffeine run, but I got back in that parking garage at 5:58. So I was here. But.

[E]

So just being a good teammate, selfless.

[C]

Teammate right here, doing what you can. What do you think about the way things are setting up for The Cowboys at 44?

[H]

My bad. I'm all over the place tonight. I think there's. I think there's a couple of different opportunities that we could see for that we could see for the Cowboys the Running back position is the one I'm looking at early here, as well as the wide receiver. You know, you look at guys like Luther Burden, obviously he didn't go in the first round last night. I think if he were to get to 44, I think this would be a fly the card into the table type thing. I don't think he's going to be there, though. At the running back position. You could look at guys like Caleb Johnson, Quinn shot Judkins. I think Judkins would probably make a little bit more sense for what the Cowboys are trying to go for. That's another situation where I don't necessarily see Judkins there, if that's the case, or Henderson Judkins.

[D]

Okay, so I think both would be off. You think both are gone?

[H]

I think both would be off.

[D]

I kind of feel like, though, Nick, that maybe that Johnson would be a better fit for some things. And I'll tell you this.

[C]

Johnson, right?

[D]

Caleb Johnson from Iowa. Because last night in Vauch Lombardi and where I were talking about it this morning on our podcast that we do, we were talking about, though, that they're in a situation where they're talking about combo block. If you listen to what. What Tyler Booker was talking about, the combo blocks, the, you know, those pool blocks, and him and Clayton, they were talking about, that seems to be a team that's kind of running some like inside zone stuff. You know, maybe there's going to be an element of pin and pull. And we. And we've seen. I watched. I know the Wisconsin game with Johnson getting outside angle from linebacker, angle from safety. Maybe Wisconsin's got terrible defensive players, but. But he was able to get that ball to the corner. But the inside stuff with the. Read the block, get up in the hole, make a cut and go. This might. This might bode well. Now listen, I. They. They might not like this guy at all, but I do feel like to. His running style is. Is kind of in line if they want to do some of that stuff where those combo blocks and things are going on.

[C]

And the Brown selection is in first pick of the second round in the 2025 NFL Draft. How about them brownies?

[D]

Here we go. With the 33rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, your Cleveland Browns select, Carson Swessinger.

[B]

Wow.

[H]

Interesting.

[C]

That's one of your guys. Watch. You just talked about it. Would you like to tell us about Carson Swessinger?

[F]

He's fantastic. He's Sean Lee. I don't want to talk about it. Man. This is. This is. This he has the instincts, he has the best instincts out of all the linebackers in this draft. He's not just a guy that's a mental process. Like he runs, he's sideline to sideline guy. He gets downhill. He's also growing as a pass rushing threat. Got four sacks last year and two picks. Moving, moving backwards. Like he does all the linebacker things. He deals with the lineman well. Blockers well. He doesn't run away from, from blockers and loses, loses gaps or loses, contained. I, I, I'm upset here, man. I'm hurt. Carson was a guy that, you know, I feel like if the Cowboys would have had an opportunity to go, I feel like that they would have, that they would have gone after him. And he's a guy that can, you know, he could, he could build culture on your defense just as a leader and as a film watcher and as a dude and as a, you know, hey, this, you know, counter's coming. Everybody go running the counter. You can see the entire defense reacting to him. And it's going to hurt to see Carson swinger be with the Browns. That are going to be terrible. I hate this man.

[C]

Former walk on FBS leader in solo tackles last year with 90. I mean, he, he plays downhill. He plays in coverage as well. Nick. He does a little bit of everything at the linebacker spot.

[H]

Yeah. And this was a guy that Cowboys linebackers coach Dave Borgonzi worked out at his individual pro day just about five or six weeks back. And it was a prospect that the Cowboys loved. And if he was there at 44, certainly would have been in the mix. I think Vaji may have mentioned it. Former walk on that not only got himself into the starting rotation at ucla, but was just one pick away from being a first round pick. And honestly, shout out to the Browns because there was a lot of really, really interesting names here at the top of day two. They had almost 24 hours to think on it, but they go with a really solid player that help their defense for the long term. I think they could have been swayed by a Luther Burden. They could have been swayed by going and getting a quarterback, but they got a really good guy who could be a leader in the middle of their defense. Browns fans should be happy about this one.

[E]

How about the jump for Schlesinger from last year to this year in 2023, he's got 12 tackles, two tackles for loss and a sack. 2024, 136 tackles, eight and a half tackles for loss and four sacks. Becomes a first team All American first team, all Big Ten, leads the Big Ten in tackles, leads the team in interceptions. He's a team captain. That'. That's a heck of a jump. And I think you guys, you guys nailed the player. This is, this is a guy who can fly around you. Look at that 425 shuttle speed, moving well at 6, 2, 2, 42. He's going to be a really good player in Cleveland. I like how they're both starting up the defense here.

[F]

He is literally the first name I wrote down. I just wrote down 12 names that I would love to have today. And if you're picking that 12 and those guys on the board, then you feel good about one of your guys getting there. Carson was the first name that I wrote down and I'm entirely sick.

[C]

So you jinxed it, is what you're saying.

[F]

Kyle, don't start.

[C]

That's kind of what it sounds like.

[E]

We're just carrying over the jinx yesterday.

[F]

Now I gotta cross his name with my fancy fountain pen here.

[C]

Yes. Here's the Texans selection. You could cross that name out, too. Feels like home. Coming back to Wisconsin, Houston, it's our time now. With the 34th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select Jaden Higgins.

[I]

Wow.

[C]

Receiver overburden. Chad.

[F]

Wow, Chad. We got action.

[C]

There's a little bit of something going on here.

[F]

We got action.

[C]

Jaden Higgins out of Iowa State. Nick, tell me about him.

[H]

Yeah, big, 6 foot 4, 214 pounds. I think if you were looking for a big type receiver, this probably could have been in play for the Cowboys, but probably more so in the third. Would you guys have taken him at 44?

[D]

No, I've got a bunch of guys between him and where he was just picked.

[C]

Same here.

[H]

Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's fascinating. Maybe a reach for, for Houston, but knowing the type of receiver they like. This one makes a lot of sense. He was a transfer from Eastern Kentucky. Long, physical pass catcher. He thrives in red zone situations. High touchdown production, 28 of them in four seasons. He can win at all three levels. The combine speed doesn't quite show up on tape, so I wonder how that can kind of translate. But his physicality and his vertical ability certainly does. I don't know if he's that big yak guy, but he is certainly a guy you want to throw the ball to downfield. He might be limited to like that back into that second level, into the third level of the receiving game, but I do love what he can do from, from a playmaking Perspective in that sense. I just, I wonder if the speed can create those opportunities over the top in the NFL for him. But Xavier Hutchinson, Iowa State receiver, the Texans were okay taking him a couple years back and they pair him with another Cyclone, Matt Campbell getting some love down in H town.

[E]

Houston Cyclones, if you will.

[H]

Houston Cyclones. Okay, I'm with that.

[E]

Okay, that's an air ball, Brian.

[H]

I'm with that.

[C]

You talked about the guys in between here in Higgins. By the way, Seattle has traded into.

[E]

The 35th overall selection exchange for 52.

[C]

And 82 from the Tennessee Titans.

[E]

From the Tennessee.

[C]

So Seattle moves up. They worked in. They got right. They had to go a long way. They were pick 50. You said 52. They traded one of those back to back picks. So they still hold 50. They traded their second pick in the second round to move on up to the titans pick at 35. Let's step aside. We'll continue to break down the early movement in the second round of the 2025 NFL Draft on 1053 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com. Back here on the dot com side of things as we take a look into the Cowboys war room here at the Star in Frisco, just down the hallway from where we sit currently. Brian, I want to hear your thoughts about how things have unfolded through these first two pick. Is it good or bad for Dallas at this point?

[D]

No, I think it's, I think it's actually very good. When you start to talk about the receivers, I mean, if you're interested in Luther Burden, you know, there's, here's the hope. You just got to keep everybody that takes a wide receiver, you know, if Bird in fact is your guy. You're just, you're just sweating these things out. The pro personnel guys are probably in there, you know, telling Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Will McClay, you know, who could potentially be taking wide receivers ahead of them or, or who could be taking running backs ahead of them. The pro guys will have it wired to where they say, hey, team needs, you know, this team needs a receiver, this team. So you just in your mind you want to be ready. They're looking at that board and they're saying, okay, these guys are up next. So you know, they, yes, a receiver goes off the board, but it's not their receiver and it's a receiver. Matter of fact, it's kind of far down the list. I know on my board, particularly like a fourth round player there. So give me as many of those, those as you can get to try and keep the hope of getting, say, a Luther Burden to you at 44.

[H]

I wonder if Seattle's going up for Shador here. I don't know anything. I'm just theorizing here.

[F]

I was thinking wide receiver, but quarterback makes a lot of sense too.

[H]

Yeah, yeah. I wonder how comfortable they'd feel with Sam Darnold. Maybe get Shador some marinating time behind him or compete with him. Shoot. But yeah, this is. The more names that, that come off here to start the second, the better I think you feel about 44. Like Schwechinger. Sure you would have liked to have him available there, but I don't think he maybe would have factored in, factored into the plans as, as, as much with some of the other names that are still available. I think we're expecting these names that we expected to be off by now. Will Johnson, Trey Trayvon Henderson.

[C]

Luther Burton.

[H]

Luther Burton. There are a lot of names that are falling here that could. Could very well be very fascinating.

[D]

Yeah. See that's the thing about it is though, some of these, the corners that we're all kind of holding on right now have a little bit of an injury history to them and maybe some teams are staying away from them. Maybe they're not interested in the Will Johnson and some of the things that he's having to deal with. You know, with the whole thing with Revel, the corner from East Carolina, you know, with him coming off the knee, Morrison with the hip, the degenerate hip there. You know, there's going to be, there's going to be a point in time and I even want to include Mike Green from Marshall. You know, the domestic violence stuff. This is weighing very heavy on him. You know, teams are looking at that. But there is going to come a point in time where somebody says now turn it in and we're all going to go, hey, they just got a first round player. But injury or some type of off the field stuff kept him from being a first round selection.

[C]

Let's talk a little bit about Luther Burden here specifically because I know Cowboys nation would love to see a first round caliber wide receiver fall to them at 44. Why has he fallen to 35 and possibly beyond to this point? I know there was some character concern there and that's kind of been the rumor circling. But is it anything worse than what we've seen in the past?

[D]

I don't think it's anything. And Nick, you've done a great job. Tommy, if anybody's heard anything, I was asking all my guys around the league and it was like, hey, kind of goes to the beat of his own drummer. You know, maybe the practice habits. Doesn't always practice hard. Can maybe be a little bit. I didn't hear anything that was terminal. I didn't hear anything that, like the domestic violence like we're hearing from Mike Green side of things, you know, I haven't didn't hear, oh, he's an alcoholic or a drug addict or what. I didn't hear any of those things. It was just, hey, maybe a little bit of a different cat, you know, and sometimes a different cat's okay in this case. But I could say I'm a. I'm a big fan of the player.

[C]

Here's Richard Sherman to announce the Seahawks pick at 35. This is going to take some time. Jaylen Milro, maybe could they be taking their 37th running back on their roster.

[D]

Has been chosen.

[H]

That's Bobby Bel's joke.

[D]

Have traded the 35th pick to the Seattle Seahawks. With the 35th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Nick M.M.

[F]

Horry, SC.

[H]

This is, this is one where defensive coordinator Matt era Fluss went to the pro day of South Carolina and it was to really do some research on these defensive front guys that they have at South Carolina. But there's also a lot of love for Nick Em and worry in this building too. I'm not sure if they would have picked him at 44, but it's, it's certainly a guy that, you know that comes off the board and you're like, darn, he's a great talent. I think I talked about him in the early draft process. I was toying with the idea of a first round grade on him early, but I eventually settled into a second. But I do have him as my number one safety. I mean, he's a huge safety, 6 foot 3, 220 pounds. That'll give him some versatility to play in the box. I know Seattle loves those type of rover defenders and their team history has certainly proven it. And I think they will certainly fall in love with this type of guy. He can play downfield and use those big long arms to extend his range. And then he is a force whenever he's coming downhill and trying to support in the run game. A very fun chess piece for Seattle here. Your boy John Schneider there.

[D]

How about Giant? They must have kicked him out of the room. He wanted to take a running back here for sure.

[F]

Brian brought us. Would you like this pin, sir?

[D]

No, I'm good, man. I just kind of mentally Threw my pin on that one. Yeah, I threw it. We're good.

[C]

I think Dallas wanted him to fall like you said, Nick. Who knows if they would have had him over some of these other prospects, But I think they liked him enough, and especially Coach Eberfluss and what he brings, I think they would have liked to utilize.

[D]

The question I have about this guy is he doesn't always play to his size. I think he should. He could be more of a dominant player. And I'm not sure. I'm. You know, I'm. I'm. There's times where I felt like, man, this big son of a gun is in the pile and he's doing a great job. And then there's other two or three plays where, you know, he's not involved that way. I just felt like that he could be more of a force. His workout numbers are incredible, but they don't always match what's being shown on that tape. I'll be interested to see if, in fact, that they can get a down after down type of a player here because he flashes it and then there's times he flashes where he's not interested in it.

[C]

Here's the Brown selection, number 36 in.

[D]

The 2025 NFL Draft.

[I]

Your Cleveland Browns select Quinshon Judkins, running by Ohio State. So they take.

[E]

All right, that's a big one.

[F]

That makes things interesting.

[E]

Yeah. The Cowboys loved Quinshon Judkins, one of the two Ohio State running backs that they really liked. You thought maybe Trayvon Henderson would go before him, but instead it's Judkins. When you think about the style of play that Brian Schottenheimer's wanting to play with, physical, at the point of attack, run through somebody's face. Judkins gives you that. And this is going to be one that, you know, this is. This might be a legitimate pen throw, I think, for them.

[H]

Am I missing something about Travion Henderson?

[E]

I don't. I don't know. I don't think so.

[H]

I'm surprised Quinn. Sean went before him. I would have thought Henderson.

[D]

I would have never thought that Higgins would have gone before.

[H]

Like, character concerns that sure popped up with Burden. You can explain that one. I don't know if you can explain this one. Judkins is a great back, do not get me wrong. I'm just surprised that it wasn't his teammate that was drafted above him. But I think this is a type of Cleveland running back for sure.

[F]

I think Henderson is by far the better running back. Like, just as a runner Pass catcher, big play blocker. Like, he has everything. I'm, I'm actually, I thought, I thought Henderson would go yesterday. So the fact that I'm seeing judges come off the board and nothing against judges, I think Juggins will do just, you know, just fine there, you know, with the power running that they want to do. But I just, I just think. I just think Henderson's much better, but hey, good for them. We need, we need this. Like, as Cowboy representatives, I understand that everybody's kind of watching right now, but as. As Cowboy people in the room, I mean, I would, I would, I would much rather Henderson than juggling his butt.

[C]

Well, and you might have a shot at that. Just about eight picks from now. So this one goes off the board early. Where did you have him comparatively, Brian, to some of your other running backs on your board?

[D]

Well, I like to say he was down in the. He was in that third round group for me. And so I'm totally okay with this. Like I said, I've got guys like, I've got guys like Johnson ahead of him. I. My love for Johnson is. Is there. But Johnson, Henderson, Sampson, I mean, Sampson's my first third round. Great. If you're on talking about Dallas Cowboy board of grading, it's a 130 right there. Henderson's like a 12812 9, bottom of the second round. And then. And then probably with Johnson better one to five there. So I've got a couple second round backs that I really, really like. I think they maybe like Henderson more Johnson. So it. The dream still is alive for me. I still have burden there. I still have Henderson there. I'm kind of digging things right now from the Dallas Cowboys.

[E]

I like Johnson too, Brian. I think he's my second running back behind Genti. And I think if we, you know, we were talking about Judkins being the guy who is so good at the point of attack and so good going through contact and just running through people. I think Johnson's probably the guy that you look at as the next guy on the board right now that can kind of play in a similar play style with that. He's just so hard to bring down. Breaks the arm, tackles really easily.

[D]

Good.

[E]

Not great speed, hits his lanes hard. We talked about him a little bit yesterday, too. Just wants to run through your face. That's what Brian Schottenheimer wants to play. Like, if you go back and listen to Tyler Booker's introductory press conference today, that's the kind of stuff they're trying to do behind that interior of the offensive line and Caleb Johnson can do that.

[H]

Vegas is trading up here to 37. They I would put my life on them getting a corner here. So who's the corner? Fastest corner and the draft available right now. That probably makes the most sense.

[E]

You mean Miami's trading?

[H]

Miami's trading up. Oh, excuse me. Nevermind.

[C]

The Raiders had it initially and then, hey, they could take speed too. They like themselves some speed down there in Miami. Now is it a corner that they're going to be looking for? That's the question.

[E]

If it is corner, I think this is Johnson.

[H]

They do need a safety.

[C]

He's not fast.

[D]

So you think they're like the.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

But you think they like Watts Enough on this for Notre Dame.

[H]

That's a fascinating.

[D]

See, to me, if I was the Ravens yesterday, I would have paired Watts.

[F]

This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names.

[B]

Now let's get into the serious stuff.

[A]

We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French onion dip.

[D]

That is serious.

[A]

Got to try these delicious new dips from Daisy. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real.

[B]

Herb and spices and other ingredients you'll find in your kitchen.

[C]

Also made with some Daisy sour cream.

[A]

Daisy sour cream is a long standing.

[B]

Staple for Taco Tuesday.

[C]

You know what I do when I get my street burrito?

[D]

I get the squirt Daisy. Yeah.

[C]

And every bite. I know you.

[D]

I know you.

[B]

I'm a huge sour cream guy.

[C]

I love sour cream.

[A]

So I think burritos can't live without sour cream.

[D]

I completely agree with that.

[A]

They also have Daisy ranch dip.

[D]

I love ranch dip.

[F]

It was great.

[B]

I love it with crackers, wings, plain.

[C]

Potato chip, the ones with the little crinkles, maybe some bell peppers.

[F]

So get out there and give Daisy.

[C]

French onion dip a try.

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[D]

With, with, with, with their, you know, with their current safety there, you know, I, I, I think to me that would have been a really, really good pair. But you know, they, they went another direction there.

[H]

Some solid reporting here from ESPN's Todd Archer. Cowboys would like to recoup the fourth round pick they gave up for Jonathan Mingo. Would Likely mean a trade down from number 44 to get that fourth. Something to ponder as the pick grows closer.

[C]

So that's kind of the conversation we had earlier. Instead of trading up from your fives and your sixes and your sevens, maybe if you have these guys continue to fly off the board like you have the last couple of picks, maybe you decide to move back a little bit and pick up that fourth round grade. All right, here is the Dolphins selection at pick number 37.

[F]

Interesting base so far, Florence.

[C]

All right, we gotta trade.

[B]

We gotta trade here.

[F]

The Las Vegas Raiders have traded the.

[B]

37Th pick to the Miami Dolphins.

[F]

With that being said, the 37th pick.

[C]

In the 2025 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select Jonah Savionaya.

[D]

Oh, Jonah from Zona.

[E]

Jonah from Zona.

[C]

And kind of nailed that name. That's really good on their side of things. There's Jonah from Zona. Brian, I know you've talked about him quite a bit. He wasn't super high on your board compared.

[D]

No. Somebody else wants to talk about him high on their board, I would, you know, that would be good for me.

[H]

He, he was my top guard in the third round. I had him at OG6. Jonas Savannah, he was right guard, left tackle, right tackle. Starting experience from his time at Arizona. Played with Jordan Morgan last year. Was a guy we talked about a lot in the first round last year. Loads of pass protection experience. I mean, we talked about it with Ted McMillan, but this team loves to air the ball out. And so he's going to be coming into the NFL with much more experience at the pass pro department than a lot of these other offensive linemen. And you just have to toy with us. Beam scene.

[C]

I know. I was just about to say all These are just McMillan clips.

[H]

The. The length and size combo. It's going to give him the opportunity to play four out of the five O line spots in the NFL. I think I would put him at right guard. I'm not really sure what Miami needs up front. Well, they do need a left guard after losing Robert Jones. Maybe that's their. Their thought process there, or moving on from Robert Jones rather. But he's got that wide, stocky frame. I think it'll work in. In deer in the interior. I compared him to like a big body sprinter. Van going up against interior defensive linemen because he's got that kind of athleticism. I think, too.

[E]

For those wondering about the hall of picks, Raiders get 48, 98 and 135 from the Dolphins in exchange for 37 and 143, according to Tom Pelissero.

[C]

You don't like it.

[F]

I'm blown away. The picks given up for the players that they're getting back, if that makes sense. I didn't think that Jonah would be a guy that you would trade up for or Nick Emari is a guy that you would give up. Day two pick. And we look at these day two picks as like premium picks. Like these are the picks where you want to. Like you want to have these guys. I got this, this list of 10 now and I'm loving these guys and I need picks within this range to get it. And I just wouldn't expect to give up picks to go get some play. And look, no disrespect to any. I'm sure they're going to do fine. Make a lot of money by Mama House. But I got a fourth on Joan, I got a fourth on Higgins. I got a third on. On Juckins. It's just, I think that these teams are drafting a little bit higher but shouts out to them.

[C]

We need that. When there's always runs and clusters of players through these drafts that you see, Brian, the league has higher than media scout.

[D]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[C]

And I think we're seeing a cluster of guys that are going after you sleep on your board, you look at what you want.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And just plain and simple, it doesn't have the guys.

[D]

The best thing that we can do. I mean, we're trying to put together our boards and how we would take them and stuff. But be honest with you, we should just look at the players as they pick and we'd say we like them or we don't like them, you know, but we try and try and have a little bit of, you know, give you a little bit of an idea about posting our boards. But I'm still. Right now, I'm very encouraged. If I'm sitting in that Dallas war room and I'm watching these names come off when Higgins and Jonah from Zona and Judkins and. And I know that you like Judkins, man. Owari. Hey, let's go. You know, I'm totally encouraged by what I'm seeing. You know, if I'm holding on a wide receiver, if I'm holding on a couple of running backs, again, my board reflects Johnson, Henderson. I'm kind of happy right now. If I'm a. If their board would be the same, the same way, probably not. But if they're holding on some of those top guys, then by all means, let's. Let's keep this thing going.

[F]

Okay, so let me just ask, when do you guys think the run on hurt character guy happens? Like the. These corners that we're mentioning, like the, you know, when does Cincinnati pick? Cincinnati definitely take them.

[D]

But yeah, Cincinnati will be. Yeah.

[F]

What I'm saying is, like at. At. At some point, you have to go, all right, y', all, I get it. But that's Rebel, that's Johnson, that's Benjamin.

[D]

Well, the fact that Rebel. That.

[F]

That's my green.

[D]

That they did. They did the surgery. That. Dr. Dan Cooper, fine surgeon. It did the. Did the actual. They know exactly where this guy's knee is. You know, and I, And I want to say that they're going to be, you know, they would be happy. And that's. And that is an absolute need. Me personally, though, man, burden a little higher on that board. But. But they're both needs and they're both, I think, would really help this football team whichever way they would go. But, yeah, they have to know what that need looks like right now. They brought the kid in for a 30 visit to make sure of it as well.

[C]

So the first five picks of the second round, Carson Swessinger, linebacker, UCLA to the Browns at 33. Texans take Jaden Higgins, wide receiver from Iowa State. Seahawks take Nick Imanwari, defensive safety, or, excuse me, deep safety from Georgia. Then you've got the Browns, 36 overall. Quinn Sean Juckins, running back from Ohio State. And then the Miami Dolphins trade up with the Las Vegas Raiders. They take Jonah from zona from the 37th pick overall, the guard out of Arizona. All right, pick is in pick number 38 for the new England Patriots. We're taking a look inside the Cowboys war room. At first I thought Jerry was on the telephone, but that's actually an iPad in front of him that he's just kind of looking at their board.

[H]

Will McClay was going on a little bit of a tangent earlier. Yeah, I don't know how to read into that, but I just thought it was interesting. There was a lot of eyes directed towards Will McLay.

[D]

Well, you know, the one thing that Will is really, really good in that room is and he's got everybody's respect, the coaches respect, he's got the Joneses respect, and he's got the scouts respect. And if he's going to speak up and start to talk about if people are sitting in that room talking about getting that fourth round pick, trading back, Will is probably standing there saying, wait a minute, guys, we've got a grade on this guy. He might be absolutely fighting for somebody in that room.

[C]

Very well could be. And we'll talk more about the Cowboys war room after the Patriots selection to.

[D]

Help make the New England Patriots selection as well.

[F]

He's going to come out later with us Special Olympic athletes Xavier Goff and.

[D]

Unified sports partner Reed Turner.

[C]

Both are Unified Flag Football teammates from Special Olympics.

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Reed Xavier.

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Special Olympics is one of the league's Play 60 community partners funded by the NFL Foundation.

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The NFL and Special Olympics team up.

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To provide opportunities for athletes of all.

[C]

Ages and abilities to get active through Unified Flag Football. This allows individuals with and without intellectual.

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Disabilities to play on the the same team.

[C]

Xavier re you got the stage.

[H]

With the 38th pick in the 2025.

[C]

NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select Travy Henderson.

[H]

Such a good fit variable getting his guy. This makes sense.

[D]

Elliot Wolf, good job to them. That's a good pick.

[C]

And both Ohio State running backs off the board before pick number 40 even in this NFL draft. I know vo you've. You've kind of kept an eye on him throughout. What do you think about Henderson here?

[F]

Fantastic player. Like I said, big play. Big play. Even in. Even in limited reps. You know, there'll be games where he only got 10 runs, but he'll make 100 yards out of it. Home run speed like we're showing you right now. But I just like to highlight the blocking. I'm sort of a blocking junkie, so I love to see wire recess. Of course. Come on, man. I love to see running backs block, man. But he's not just like a pass blocker. Like he'll lead, block and thump the hell out of people. And I love that about him. Look at this.

[B]

What are we doing?

[F]

What are we doing? Yeah, man, but the. But look. Toughness, toughness. And I think that's what the Patriots are trying to build over there. So. Shouts out to them. Trevion's definitely a guy. He was my running back. 3.

[E]

Yeah, one of the higher character guys in this class, too. Just nothing but good things that you hear from people around the NFL when it comes to what he's going to bring to a locker room. And from a mentality standpoint, this guy was one of the biggest leaders in the Ohio State locker room. He made a decision to come back to Ohio State when he very easily could have left last year and gone to the NFL waters, but stuck it around and helped the Buckeyes win a national championship. You think about what he did for Quinshon Judkins. This is a guy who Ryan Day called him up and said, hey, we're going to take Quinshon Judkins here in the portal. I just wanted to let you know first. And he said, all right, let's do it. It wasn't in today's era of, you know, college football very much could have been all right, you know, I'm hitting the portal. I'm going to go somewhere where I can be the bell cow. He sticks around, ends up teaming up with Quinshon Judkins and both of them reaped the benefits for it. Both thousand yard rushers. Last season they win a national championship and now they're going a couple of picks apart in the second round of the draft.

[C]

All right, so let's reset things as the Cowboys are now within five selections of their next pick at pick number 44. I want to hear your top names on your board momentarily because we've got a long way to go but still a lot of names can fly off that board. But for the 44th overall pick, you're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 153theFAN and Dallas Cowboys.com on the dot com side of things. I want to hear that, those, those names on the board. Let's start with you, Tommy. Who are some of your top names?

[E]

Top three I've got right now are Luther Burden and Mike Green and Donovan Ezraku.

[C]

Ooh, that's a good one.

[D]

Okay.

[H]

Donovan Ezraku is my lone first round grade waiting on the board. Yeah, just an athletic pass rusher and just a freak. I wonder when he does go. I'm probably the only one at the table with the first round grade still available, but as a Roku, I'm that high.

[C]

I have burdens.

[D]

Oh no, I've got some first round.

[C]

You do?

[E]

Yeah, I got absolutely. I got Burden in the first.

[B]

Who do you have?

[D]

Yeah, I've got Green, Burden and Revel and Morrison.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Got four.

[H]

Very cool.

[D]

The thing about it is, like I say, the injury guys, I were not really sure about where I was going to do it with Ravel and Morrison, I think their ability is too much not to give them their due as players and so. But Mike Green, we understand with Mike Green's situation, if you, if you're new to what's going on right now, domestic violence problems, there's likely was going to be a first round pick. Team's just not comfortable with taking him right now. There will be a point in time in this draft where somebody will take him and he'll be a hell of a football player for him. They're going to have to probably endure a lot of things when they. Once they pick him and the questions will be asked, but, man, he is amazing when it comes to rushing.

[H]

That passer shocked Will Johnson still here.

[C]

I was going to just ask the question.

[D]

There's medical there. There's medical on that.

[C]

All three of those guys have medical.

[D]

Yeah. These corners, man, there are some really, some super talented guys. But the problem is you have a knee, you have a hip, and you have other things, you know, lower body, you know, issues there with. With. With Will Johnson that he's having to deal with. And, you know, those are things that are things that you, you know, when he. He needs to play with his feet and his legs and, you know, those are some issues there that he's dealing with right now.

[C]

So where do you have those guys stacked? Revel Johnson and Morrison? Because I think corner at whether they're hurt or not is certainly in play because of the need that you have at that position.

[D]

Y. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. 12, 15 and 25.

[C]

Okay. In that order.

[D]

In that order. Okay. Those. That's on my board. That's. That's how I have. That's where they were on my stack.

[E]

I'm going to say this. Chicago Bears wide receivers coach Antoine Rendell was just celebrating on the draft stream over here.

[D]

So this might be a Lutheran Luther Burden. Yeah.

[C]

Wow. Did Chicago make the surprise selection one way in the first round and then the opposite way in the second round?

[H]

Would this be a surprise? This feels like a good Keenan Allen replacement.

[C]

Well, not a surprise, but the fact that he fell. Oh, that's what I'm saying.

[B]

Okay.

[H]

I thought you meant for much.

[C]

They reached in the first round and then they get the value in the second round.

[H]

Yeah.

[C]

Here's the selection.

[H]

Could have probably flipped those picks and got it right.

[C]

Maybe.

[H]

All right.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Simmer down, Simmer down.

[D]

Simmer down.

[C]

Simmer down.

[D]

Wow.

[F]

That'll do it.

[C]

I could do Trey Harris from Ole miss.

[D]

And the 2025 NFL Draft.

[F]

The 2025 NFC north champions Chicago Bears.

[E]

That's lofty.

[C]

Select Luther Burton.

[E]

Yeah, that makes sense. Look at the Bears wide receiving core. Last year. They bring in Roma dun. And he has a pretty solid rookie season. But Keenan Allen was really never what they thought he was going to be in that offense to try and help Caleb Williams and give him a safety blanket with his veteran experience. Now they're going to see if Luther Burden can be that guy. This is a. This is a really talented wide receiver room in Chicago now with DJ Moore, Luther Burden and Roma Dunze and they had Colston Love in the first round. I'm still kind of on the fence about that one and how it'll turn out, but Caleb Williams has got some really good weapons around him now. They beefed up the offensive line as soon as Ben Johnson got into town and you figured they were going to focus on the offense, so.

[C]

But here it is where you had him. Voch. Is this the biggest value pick of the draft so far?

[F]

Looks like it. Luther Burton was a first round grade on my board and if I just run over here to the stack, 10th.

[D]

Overall for me, he was 11 for me.

[F]

Wow. He was 11 for me. So yeah, Luther's a guy. And hey man, Tommy said it. If you just imagine that you took him at 10 and you took Colson Loveland in the second, boy, y', all, boy, that's a hell of a haul for y'. All. But they did it backwards. But whatever. But I'm just looking down at my little names left over and I'm just crossing them out slowly but surely. I'm upset. All of my corners are there, my hurt corners are there. And as far as running backs go, I don't know how the Cowboys feel about Johnson from Iowa, but I think he'll be a fantastic fit here since our other running backs are gone. And Brian, this is a conversation that me and you had a bunch. Like if the run happens prior to the Cowboys going on the board, do we go for a third round graded running back? If we really want running back so badly, do we go for the third round graded guy or do we wait like we did last year? And hopefully, hopefully not.

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[C]

We are currently on pick number 40 of the 2025 NFL Draft. The new Orleans Saints and former offensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, Kellen Moore is on the clock. Currently the last four picks. Jonah from Zona, the Arizona guard goes to the Dolphins at 37. At 38, the Patriots. Travion Henderson, running back from Ohio State, goes to New England. The Bears at pick number 39. Find some value. Luther Burden, wide receiver from Missouri, is off the board. He goes to Chicago, pairing with Colston Loveland, who was their 10th overall pick, their quarterback, and Caleb Williams and Ryan John, or, excuse me, Ryan Johnson, the head coach there, doing a great job.

[E]

Ben Johnson.

[C]

Ben Johnson. I don't know what I'm thinking.

[E]

Ben Johnson. Ryan poles.

[D]

Ryan Poles.

[E]

It's all good.

[C]

They combined to build some weapons there in Chicago.

[E]

Yeah, they did. And with that pick, the 2023 Panthers. Bears trade has been finalized. So the Panthers got Bryce Young in exchange for the Bears receiving DJ Moore, Darnell Wright, Tyreek Stevenson, Caleb Williams and Luther Burton.

[D]

What a bad trade.

[E]

That is a.

[H]

What a bad trade.

[E]

And I don't know if there are words to describe the haul that that is for Chicago.

[D]

Yeah. With New Orleans now on the clock, why have I heard that. That. That Schuck the quarterback could be the possibility here? A lot of people. Anybody else hearing that, that maybe that even with Shador Sanders being on the board here, that maybe that they go with. With Tyler Schuck. I just. It's something like I. There was two or three different New Orleans people say, hey, keep an eye on what we're doing right here. Which, you know, we could. We could take a quarterback here with. We really do like shuck. So I'm just kind of throwing it out there. Maybe things have changed now with. With Sanders sliding down the board. Kind of got the vibe that they wouldn't take Sanders. They passed on him the first time around. Will they pass on him again for. For.

[C]

For Tyler Schuck, transfer from Oregon, transfer from Texas Tech. He's kind of been around it. I mean, you talk about an individual who has the late rising ability in the NFL draft. He goes from being kind of an edge guy to being a possible second round pick. Does he just fit the bill for Kellen?

[D]

Well, I think with Kellen, yeah, he's fighting for some offensive players there. You know, the skill guys and stuff, they also need an edge. Could this be where Mike Green goes? You know that New Orleans, there's been time. Jeff Ireland down there, you know, helping out Mickey Loomis, he's not exactly known as a guy that, like, all squeaky clean. So, yeah, he could be looking at Mike Green right now. But, man, I was hearing that this afternoon, making calls. Tyler kept, they kept, oh, shuck New Orleans. New Orleans. And I'm like, what about Sanders? No, shuck New Orleans. I'm like, okay, we'll see what we do here. What's up, Green Bay Nation? I see you.

[F]

All right.

[D]

With the 40th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the new Orleans Saints select Tyler Schuck.

[H]

Come on, Kellen.

[D]

Good call.

[E]

I don't.

[D]

I kept hearing that. I swear to you, I just kept hearing that name talking. You know, Jane Slater with the NFL Network is down there in New Orleans. We were talking, just throwing a lot of different things at it. And I kept saying, jane, I'm hearing. And she's like, I'm hearing the same damn thing. So this is not surprising to me. It's been a conversation all day long. Nick, I know you absolutely do not like this play.

[H]

I'm not trying to turn into Mel Kuiper here, but shuck over Shador. What are we doing?

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[H]

What are we doing? This is. This is a surprise to me. He played seven seasons in college, and he only played more than seven games one time, and it was last year in a Louisville offense that is pass friendly. They throw the ball 40 damn times a game. Sure, it helped his development and it probably helped expedite those games that he missed and helped recoup for them, but at the end of the day, this guy's going to be 26 years old in October.

[C]

Wow.

[H]

You're not expecting him to get a second contract. By the time that he is up for his second contract, he's going to be Dak Prescott's age right now. This is a. It's, it's. It's a fascinating decision. I think he's too inconsistent in the short to intermediate game. He's got awkward mechanics. He's a good athlete, I'll give him that. Especially given all the injuries that he's dealt with. He really does push the ball downfield. But I think this is more of a pick that you make with the idea of like, hey, let's season this guy for a year or two. But he's so old that he doesn't have a year or two. I just, I don't like this pick. I don't.

[E]

They just showed the graphic on there that says he's thrown six or less interceptions in the last five years because he's only played in six or less games in each of the last five years.

[D]

He's got, he's got some things wrong with him. The collarbones are clearly a problem. He's broken them twice. He's broken his femur. The thing that I that noticed the most is when you watch him play, he's terrified of breaking his collarbone again because he'll flinch in the pocket. You see him get rid of the ball and he will flinch. We saw that with Eli Manning and if he's Eli Manning, then, you know, I'll stand corrected. But you will see him in the pocket though, when it's clean and protected, he can make some great throws. But when he feels that pressure, he is worried about that collarbone which he has broken twice. You'll see him, especially in the Notre Dame game, they got after him pretty good and he, he was flinching throwing the football.

[C]

It's really interesting. I mean, you have the comeback player of the year as an NFL award. They have three comeback player of the years in college and he was one of the winners of that this past year. If you're winning a comeback player of the year in college and then you end up going in the top 40 of the NFL draft, there's, you're doing something right. But you also have been around for a little bit too. And I think for the most part, Tyler Schuck is just kind of a mind boggling late riser around NFL draft circles. I mean, he took advantage of the Senior bowl, took advantage of the combine, took advantage of, of the, the film that he put on tape at Louisville and now you have to adjust from there. But now we are officially four selections away from the Cowboys at pick number 44. The Buffalo Bills are on the clock at pick 41.

[E]

They gave Chicago two seconds and a fourth for a second, a third and a seventh.

[C]

So a little bit of maneuvering there. Remember, Chicago had the 39th pick and the 41st pick, so they didn't want to pick twice in three selections. They end up moving back in order to get some draft capital. There's a conversation Going on in the war room at the moment. Looks like Jerry Jones and some of the scouts on the right hand side of the room are kind of leading that conversation.

[H]

This looks like a debate.

[D]

Yeah, I think Will, I think Will is really, I think Will is fighting the room to hang in there and he's. And, and you know, Stephen is going.

[H]

To see that face from Will.

[D]

Yes. Stephen is looking at that phone like, okay, somebody's trying to call me here if I'm going to pick up that phone. Shotty's now involved. He's going to, you know, Jerry Jones encouraged him to be very vocal in this first draft. Will, it looks like, you know, Will has got that look like, okay, I'm going to keep fighting you guys. Jerry looking at Will there like, okay, tell me about this. Why, if we, if we move, where are we going? Are we going to, if we stay there, are we going to take this guy? Will's trying to explain we need to hang in there and pick this player. I could, I could. I've seen this.

[C]

Read it.

[D]

Yeah, I've seen this before.

[F]

So who is like, like who, like, who would, like, fight for, like.

[D]

I think Will had an idea when he walked in this room today. There's somebody he wanted and it's getting close and I think Stephen and Jerry are maybe. And they're trying to work on that fourth round pick.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Do we, how bad do we want this fourth round pick? I think Will is fighting for the. I think Will is fighting for the player right now. Steven might be. I think he just picked up their trade charts there in his hand. And then, you know, he's looking at what the numbers will be for to, to go down if they. So they're going to try and recoup this four. But Will right now is fighting to pick that player that they're here at 44.

[F]

I'm one of the corners.

[C]

Maybe I want to point something out here just based off of what we heard from last night and the Tyler Booker debate and the whole scenario that led up to that point. One of the things we heard was that as a first year, head coach Brian Schottenheimer helped take control of that war room. That's kind of been the thought throughout the, the, the building over the last 24 hours or so. We didn't get to see it a whole lot on the stream last night. Tonight, I think we're seeing it a little more highlighter in hand. He's, he's having a debate. They're having direct conversation between Will McClay and Brian Schottenheimer, of course, the Jones family, Jerry and Steven sitting there specifically.

[D]

Jerry's gonna listen.

[C]

They're gonna listen through all of the sides in order to actually decide where there's a debate here.

[H]

I feel like we're contractually obligated to bring it up. Shador.

[C]

Okay. Want to have that conversation?

[H]

Do we want to have that conversation?

[E]

I'm going to shut that conversation down quickly. I think.

[H]

I don't think it has.

[E]

I think the way the board. I think the way the board is falling right now is corner. And I'm about to put this tweet out there after I see this. After I see this pic from Buffalo to make sure one of the guys I put on this list is not there. But you got Will Johnson, Savon Rebel, Ben Morrison, Trey Almost, Azariah Thomas, all still available. We know how big of a need corner is for this team. All five of those names make sense and their names that the Cowboys have been tied to. So that seems like the most likely possibility. At 44, in my opinion.

[C]

Here's the bill selection at 41. All right, we got a trade.

[F]

The Chicago Bears have traded the 41st pick to the Buffalo Bills. And with the 41st pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bill select.

[C]

TJ Sanders, defensive tackle, SC defensive tackle, off the board at pick 41. We're closing in on the Cowboys selection at pick number 44. We'll have it for you very, very quickly. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 153theFAN and Dallas Cowboys dot com.

[H]

Should we switch out now or are we going to wait a little bit?

[C]

This is going to be interesting because this is the top of the hour.

[D]

You should probably hang to the pick, to the pick. Yeah. Keep it consistent.

[C]

This is the top of the hour, though. That's the one thing.

[H]

Hey, Sanders finally got picked.

[C]

Guys, we are on the top of the hour on the dot com side of things. D.J. sanders, you want to talk about him real quick?

[H]

Yeah, yeah, hold on. Let me pull up my notes here because I do like this guy. Explosive defensive tackle. And you watch his film and you see a dude, I had a late second round grade on him. He's going to be a three tech in the NFL. And this is something that the Bills needed coming into the weekend. They were mocked to Walter Nolan many, many times, but obviously Nolan did not fall that far. Explosive, violent player out of the interior that has some of the best footwork of all the defensive tackles in this draft. In my opinion, he works well on stunts. He makes life hell for interior offensive linemen, and he has room to add weight to his frame. He could be a potential one Tech if he does kind of add that weight. But I'd like to maximize his athleticism and explosion at that 3tech spot. I think him being a pass rusher out of that interior, it could really be. It could be fun. High tackle production despite low snap count. They rotated a lot of guys at South Carolina, kept those legs fresh. It really worked for him. I'm not 100% sure what the depth chart looks like at that position for Buffalo, but if they have that freedom, I think it could certainly work for them. But if they don't, can he play a full game? You know, that's. That's obviously something to throw out there. Former basketball player. You see that with his footwork and his athleticism, I think he's a really talented player. Good pick by Buffalo.

[E]

Smart and strong is what I put down for Sanders. This is a guy that I really liked at the start. I've got him towards the top of the third, but it doesn't surprise me that he would be taken here whatsoever. I think he does a really good job of diagnosing the play early, identifies where the ball carriers at and gets himself into position really well. Fires into the backfield quickly at closing the run lanes and getting into the pocket. I think this is a really, really, really good pick.

[D]

Yeah, this guy's a really good athlete and he's got the play strength to match. I mean, he could win along the line of scrimmage. He plays well with his hands. He does a really good job of retracing his steps. When he gets too far up the field, he can come back and get to the ball. The effort to chase down plays is really, really good. He can bull rush you. I can see a guy that could play tackle or play defensive end and be really just fine playing on, on. On either position.

[C]

So Sanders off the board. Tyler Schuck was the pick before at 40. Jets are on the clock at the moment at 42. Then it's the 49ers and the Cowboys. I know corner we talked about here, and I just to name the guys that we know have been tied to Dallas. Benjamin Morrison, Notre Dame. We know the scouts really love him. Overall, I think Siobhan Revelle Jr. The East Carolina product, is somebody that has been tied with Dallas previously. Maybe he's in this conversation at pick 44, but I keep going back to the edge rusher in well, two of them, really. Mike Green, who out of Marshall has that character concern and that flag on him specifically. But I'm looking at the Boston College edge and Donovan Ezraku there as well.

[H]

There's a staff connection to Ezra Waaku. The quarterbacks coach, Steve Schimko was on staff at Boston College when this kid was a junior. Schimko only joined the staff this past season, so he only missed one year with Ezra Waku. But he has a lot of background on this player. I'm sure the Cowboys have a lot of homework on this guy that probably only Green Bay could match because Green Bay has their former head coach and Jeff Halfley as their defensive coordinator. So this is a. It would be fascinating. But man, this team needs corner, you would think in this spot. Who's your. Who are Yalls highest rated corners and defensive tackles left on y'? All?

[D]

Well, you want healthy, you want guys.

[H]

Just whoever's there for you.

[D]

Ravel Morrison, Will Johnson, Thomas from Florida State. I think Amos is in this, in this mix right now. Yeah, I think there's, I think there's more. I think there's more quality corners than there are defensive tackle. One technique.

[C]

Guys, I agree with you.

[D]

Walker could be the guy too. At Kentucky. We're not thinking about either here.

[C]

Alfred Collins, we know they've liked him, but that's more of A3 tech. It's kind of an interesting thought when it comes to D tackle. Maybe that's something you address it at 76. But right now, Vodch, I'm looking at corner as a possibility here. Running back. Any. I mean, anybody specific? I know Caleb Johnson.

[D]

I would, I would. I have Johnson high. I just don't think they have him as high as I do. And I've got, I've got corners that are higher than Johnson now. The way I'm. The way it is on my board, for sure.

[F]

I think a part of drafting is kind of getting a feel for how the league is drafting. So do you guys think that they would pass on the hurt corners right now? Because everybody's passing on the hurt corners and maybe they'll, they'll try to see if he can get back around to the third round pick and maybe they'll go for an edge right now or maybe a running back right now. Jack Bess is at my board, a wide receiver sitting up there.

[C]

Or they're looking at those corners and the stack of guys there with the medical red flags and they're saying this is the perfect opportunity.

[H]

Aaron Whitecotton just fist bump Trade out.

[F]

Jones because these are first round picks. Who's that?

[H]

Aaron Whitecot. And just fist bump Steven Jones D line.

[D]

They might.

[F]

Alexander.

[D]

They.

[C]

Alfred Collins?

[D]

Yeah, man, maybe.

[C]

And here's Stephen Jones on the phone. Lowe's nose.

[D]

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[C]

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[A]

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[C]

Closing in on the 44th overall pick for the Dallas Cowboys. The New York jets are on the clock at 42 in the second round of the 2025 NFL Draft. Their pick is in. The San Francisco 49ers are on the clock. And then very soon, the Cowboys will be on the clock. Taking a look at the war room. Steven Jones is on the phone. Aaron White, Cotton defensive line coach for this Dallas Cowboys team. Just fist bump Steven Jones. Here's the jet selection at 42.

[D]

Oh, there's my man, Mason Taylor.

[C]

You really liked him.

[D]

I love Mason Taylor. Good job, Jets.

[C]

I wish this didn't happen right before the Cowboys pick and when we were breaking that down, but give us a quick scouting report. Brian.

[D]

I'll tell you what, Mason. Mason Taylor is a tremendous player and you know, and when you start to break down, I know there were a lot of. A lot of folks that were talking about the, you know, are the Michigan tight end Warren and all that, but Mason Taylor went my alma mater there, lsu. He's one of the most clutch players In LSU history, when they needed big play, the staff went his way. He's outstanding physical traits for the position. He's a nightmare to defend, to have to defend. He's an athletic big man that is growing into his frame. He's dependable hands. He's natural to adjust the throws. If he focus, he doesn't flinch at all in traffic. He could withstand crushing hits. I just love this kid. He caught a pass in 37 of his 38 career games. But he is one of these guys that makes. He can make the type of plays that moves the chains and is very, very good down in the red zone.

[C]

So Taylor goes to the Go Tigers. He goes to the New York Jets. The pick is in for the San Francisco 49ers at 43, which means the Dallas Cowboys are officially on the clock. If you're joining us on the YouTube side, the X streaming side, or on the Odyssey side of things, welcome to the draft show. As we break you down to the 44th selection in the 2025 NFL Draft, there's still debate going on inside the Cowboys war room. Here is the 49ers selection at 43.

[H]

Wills on the phone.

[D]

They got the player. Then bang, bang. 49ers. With the 43rd pick in the 2025.

[F]

Class, the 49ers select Alfred Collins.

[D]

Oh, there they go.

[H]

That's, that's.

[F]

Wow.

[H]

I wonder if that was a pin throw in that room.

[C]

Maybe, Maybe so. They don't look too upset about it as they have made a selection here. Jerry Jones is on the clock. He is on the phone as well. Everybody high fiving and it looks like Will's getting a little bit of.

[D]

Some.

[C]

A little extra there.

[D]

He fought obviously, he obviously fought in this room for a player and, you know, and I think he had an idea of the guy that he was looking at when him and. Him and Coach Schottenheimer and Steven Jones were in the war room early. Will was standing up behind his chair and he was looking at the board and he was trying to explain the vision he had for this player. I think this is one we'll see when it's all said and done who it is. But I'll tell you what, I think Will McLay fought really, really hard for a guy.

[C]

Matt Everfluss just gave a big hug to Brian Schottenheimer. Jerry Jones in company. This looks to be a defensive player. We've talked about corner. We've talked about edge rushers. Is this coming down to whoever the scouts and coaches agreed on the most in this Regard Revel.

[F]

Donovan or Morrison?

[E]

Morrison.

[C]

I know they like Morrison quite a bit.

[F]

Nick's about to cry. He's got some.

[C]

And Nick has something here. Do you want to. Do you want to go ahead and talk about it or we want to play the theater side. I like it fly, but either way.

[F]

Will I be excited though?

[B]

Nick let it fly.

[F]

Okay, Cool. Cool. Makes a content man. He understands.

[C]

We've got Nick Harris, Brian Broadus, Tommy Yarish, Vox Lombardi. I'm Kyle Yeomans, Bobby Belton, Zach Wolchuk are going to join us very, very shortly right after the selection is made, and then we'll get their thoughts on this as well. The Cowboys go offensive line in the first round. They take Tyler Booker out of Alabama. We knew defense was going to be heavy today, Tommy, at least in One of these two picks at 44 or at 76, looks like they stuck and picked at 44. Do you think this was a thought process from the very beginning?

[E]

Yeah, I think defensively, this team, you look at positions like corner and defensive tackle, there are so many needs. You just saw Matt Eberfluss get off the phone and now it's Aaron Wincott and the defensive line coach. So even. Even at round three, at 76, I think defense is still very much on the table. Depending on which way they go. Do they go corner, they go defensive line here, and if so, do they think, you know, somebody's going to be there on the other side of that at 76, there are definitely some very good players. You know, if it's not a corner, I think you look at some of the names that are still on the board and Will Johnson, you know, Benjamin Morrison, Sivan Revel, Trey Imus, Azariah Thomas. I don't know if those names are all going to be there when you get to 76, but. But you know what, what is to say that they can't be, considering what we've seen so far today with so many of these names dropping. So anything is on the table, but it looks like this is Dean Lyon, given that Aaron White Cotton just got off the phone. So we might be bolstering up the front here.

[H]

Now we're waiting on a commercial to come back on the main feed. This is like when Nikola Jokic got drafted during a Taco Bell commercial.

[F]

This wouldn't be green, is it? This wouldn't be my green.

[H]

Green is it Certainly would be a Cowboys second round special.

[B]

Yeah.

[H]

Very reminiscent of Sam Williams in this spot, right? Is it Sam Williams? You expected him to be in A higher position and it was character concerns.

[D]

There's going to be. There was going to always going to be a spot where Mike Green was going to be taken. And you know, sometimes if you're a general manager that's not going anywhere anytime soon. You can take a little bit of some risks like this. And if in fact it is Mike Green, then you know, that's, that just tells you a lot about where this organization is as far as, you know, going out and getting football players that they think can win games. We'll see if it's Mike Green, but that general manager ain't going to get fired. You know, if he takes a player that has a little bit of, a little bit of a checkered past and you know, makes it work, it's great. If not, you know, we've seen this, we've seen this act here before.

[F]

Looking at, looking at D lineman on my board. I mean we got some three takes and I don't think the Cowboys are going to go in that direction. So this has to be edge. I think they want to get after the quarterback and Tank Lawrence is, has left us now. I think Marshawn Neal is going to be the new big Tank guy and maybe they're looking for like a, a, a pass rushy guy. You know, some of the pass rush that you have are on one year, you know, one year deals and they, they're not going to be here next year. So maybe they're going to Mike Green. Donovan Easy is probably going to have to be one of those guys. Just looking at how my board's lined up here, it has to be one of those two.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

What does it tell you about the defensive line? If that is indeed the pick and it looks to be the pick. Why defensive line when you have so many other needs there Overall? I mean, this, it's a, it's about.

[D]

I think it's about the stack here.

[F]

They don't care about.

[D]

Yeah, they don't.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. It's all about to stack F them needs really. If it's, if it's Green is. If it's our Boston College kid, you know, I mean they, they've got, they've got this thing stacked the way they want it and so maybe that's the guy that Will McClay was fighting for, you know, and kudos to him if he's doing this kid's got some bend to him and you watch if, if this is in fact the Boston College kid. This kid knows how to rush the passer. No question.

[F]

Both of these Guys, both of these guys double digit set guys, so maybe that's important.

[C]

Hello Wisconsin.

[D]

With the 44th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Donovan.

[C]

Ezraku, defensive end, Boston College.

[D]

There you go, Nick Harris.

[F]

Next guy break down you first round grade. Nick Harris.

[H]

Yeah, this is a, this is my last standing first round grade. I think this is the most athletic pass rusher in this entire class. He lines up wide, swims and rips through opposing tackles. Violent decisive hands. He comes from a standing pre snap stance and I think that will be a natural transition into what the Cowboys at least have done in the past with Micah Parsons. Having a guy like Micah Parsons to help develop as a Rwaku here at the next level is going to be a perfect fit. Consensus all American in 20, 24. Sixteen and a half sacks, 20 and a half tackles for loss. He's got this massive wingspan to a. That'll help him improve in the run game. He just kind of needs to add some weight to his frame a little bit and I think he could really maximize what the run game stuff could look like. But this is, this is, this is a guy that I fell in love with very early on. I think there was an episode of the break we had Brian, probably back in November and afterward you asked me any guys you've been watching yet? And I said have you seen this Ezra Rwaku kid at Boston College? This is a guy that I just love and the sense that he can play standing up as a standing rusher too. He has some box versatility as well. I think they're going to be able to do a little bit of drop coverage with him out in the flat. He's got the athleticism to be able to do that and he certainly showed that against running backs coming out of the backfield. This is an awesome.

[D]

Yeah, that drop coverage is all good and dandy. This kid knows how to get underneath blocks and he knows how to. And Nick, I really, I like your report on this kid because I think you're absolutely right. The pressure that he immediately puts on offensive tackles, his ability to work down the line of scrimmage to get in on plays. He can make himself really, really small, get low to the ground, get underneath blockers and then close that gap to the ball or to the quarterback right there. So this Guy was the 26th player in my stats. So again, I think it was a really, really good pick. They really not thinking much about the needs right now. They're just drafting good football players.

[F]

One more thing I want to add before I leave though. Nick broke them down perfectly. But just one more thing I want to add is he has a full tool belt right now. I think he's ready to line up and get sacks right now. There's not going to be a long waiting period. I've seen him many times in film, set guys up just to sack them with that move that they set him up with later on in the game. Fantastic pick right here for the Cowboys.

[E]

I'm sorry, vouch, I didn't mean to cut you off. And the thing too is I'll come back here.

[C]

Here's the Colts at 45.

[I]

Huge shout out.

[D]

Salem City.

[F]

Man, this is a dream come true. But cold nation. Let's find out who my new teammate is going to be. Man, let's go.

[C]

Let's keep this train rolling.

[F]

Day 2 and with that being said.

[D]

With the 45th pick in the 2025.

[F]

NFL Draft, my Indianapolis cult select, JT.

[C]

Tui Molo D another edge rusher out of Ohio State. He is off the board. All right, back to the Ezraku, by the way, Donovan, Ezra ez. That is how you say Donovan.

[D]

It is easy to say Donovan.

[C]

Ezra, Ezraku. That is how you say his last name because get used to it, you're going to say it a lot when he's in the backfield quite a bit. ACC Defensive Player of the Year. He won the Ted Hendricks Award, which is given to the nation's top defensive end after the 16 and a half sacks. I mean, this is an overall bendy, impressive edge rusher. Tommy, I know you were talking about him as well.

[E]

Yeah, 21st player on my board. And you know, you, you look at what he's going to have to do for the Cowboys in this position. This is not a guy who you need to come in on day one and get 10 sacks. That's why you've got Micah Parsons. But it is a guy who is very capable of getting the double digit sacks because of Micah Parsons. I think Nick explained it perfectly when he was talking about the pick earlier. This is a bendy, athletic, twitchy guy who flies in off the edge and has a knack for getting to the backfields. The ACC defensive player of the year last year, consensus all American, 16 and a half sacks. You can never have enough pass rushers. And we heard so much about the Cowboys brass talking yesterday about how, hey, in this division we feel like we need to bolster the interior of our defensive line because of how good defensive tackles are in the NFC East. Well, the NFC east has Got some good offensive tackles as well. So getting as many good edge rushers as you can. You can never have enough good pass rushers. I don't think so. You add them to a room with Micah Parsons, Sam Williams. Now Marshawn Neyland gets more time to develop as more of a run defender. You've got a lot of really, really, really solid options here for you. And you bring back your boy from a couple years ago. Of course, I'm blanking on his name right now.

[B]

Washington, Jeremy Mency.

[D]

Fowler.

[E]

Dante Fowler. Thank you. That was just. That was my.

[C]

Jeremy.

[E]

That was my five hours of sleep kicking in here. Sorry about that.

[C]

All right, we've got Zach Wolchuk, Bobby belt, both from 10, 5, 3, the fan rejoining us here in studio. Zach, what do you think about, about the pick?

[I]

I love it. And I know Nick. Nick was very, very high on him. I think he was higher than on, on his rocku than any of us were.

[C]

But I think all 26 him at 1 or 2 on our board, right?

[I]

What do you mean?

[C]

Like, like.

[I]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had him at, what was it? 37 on my board. I mean, I, I think he's a really good player. This is obviously great value for me. I mean, the production speaks for itself, but I love the fact that he's a tireless worker and the finishing ability with him. There are some other edge rushers in this class that you will see be able to get the pressures. I think Shemar Stewart from Texas A and M, we had that conversation about him this entire time. Dynamy Zaraku, if he gets there, he's going to make the play. I mean, he can set the edge. Now. He's a guy that I think he's got multiple ways to beat you in the tool belt and the lateral agility is really good with him. He's probably just a guy that's going to be a starter for 10 plus years here. I mean, like, he to me, really, really talented. Twenty and a half tackles for loss. Second on the team, team captain. That's a theme with both these picks. High character individuals.

[D]

I thought Green Bay might take a shot at him in the first round at 23. They were talking about edge rushers. I was visiting with the guys up there. They absolutely love this kid. And, you know, and, you know, tip of the cap, too. And I think what we saw in the war room was Will McClay and what he can do. And I think he fought very hard for this kid. I think there's some folks in the, in that, in that war room that were maybe interested in bailing out of there, maybe going another direction. And you know, he, he told them, hey, let's stick right here. We got this. This is our guy. And you could see it. And you know Jerry and Stephen looking at him and saying okay, you know, and head coach going with him, defensive coaches going with him. So nice job by Will arguing for his player right there.

[I]

Yeah, I mean it's right, it's sticking to your board, right? I mean they went best player available here was that they're sticking to their board.

[D]

They're needs. We're talking about running backs, we're talking about wide receivers. They're taking their best players is what they're doing right now.

[C]

That's kind of the thought process that Brian Schottenheimer has brought to the table that he wants good football players. He said it in the pre draft press conference and as we saw yesterday, they aren't lying in the pre draft press conference at this point. They're saying what they're meaning. They want good football players. And if it's not necessarily. And I think edge rusher was a low need on their board. It was it corner, was it running back, was it wide receiver? No, they still need those things but they want to take good football players and they're taking what the stack looks like, Brian. And they're sticking to their board.

[D]

Real quick so we can. Sorry, no, go ahead.

[E]

Before we get to Bobby kind of talking about what they're looking for. He's also a two year team captain and one of the top character guys in this class. So that's just continuing from the Tyler Booker theme from last night. That's from Dane Brugler, our buddy. Go ahead.

[B]

Yeah, look, I mean I'm going to steal a comp from Lance Zer line because I heard him say this on a podcast about as a rock. Very reminiscent of Yannick and Gakway. Like I think that that's a very similar player.

[D]

Difficult last names to say.

[B]

Yeah, well, I mean you've said Yannick and Gakway enough times over the years.

[D]

It's like, it's like Oso Diggy zoo rolls right off your toes.

[B]

Noah Igbonogany.

[C]

That's a good one.

[B]

But I think that, yeah, I mean there are clearly first round type of traits with him. I think that where some of the limitations are the ones that you typically find for a guy his size, which are, you know, you're trying to dip tackles sometimes and in the process you get washed or, you know, you end up losing contain or you try to slip to the outside. So I think that he's a guy that this is more where I think he should have gone. I didn't have him as a first round guy. I think second, this is perfectly good. The only question I have at this point is you're saying to yourself, we're waiting until the fifth round to touch two of corner running back receivers.

[I]

Yeah, no, 100%, I mean.

[B]

And Brian, you will let them make the pick.

[C]

Yeah. Here's the rams selection at 46.

[F]

So first and foremost, I just want.

[I]

To send a huge thank you to all the men and women who serve.

[C]

As our first responders and in our.

[D]

Military corners is about to go get ready.

[C]

Secondly, I want to send a huge.

[F]

Shout out to my son Mikhail.

[C]

It's his birthday today.

[I]

He's a draft baby.

[C]

Let's go.

[I]

From the 20 last.

[C]

Let's get into this pick. With the 46 pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Rams select Terrence Ferguson, tight end university. That's kind of a surprise.

[I]

Well, they, they were wanting tight ends. I think they were. There were some buzz. They were trying to move on up and try and get maybe a Tyler Warren a cold.

[B]

They wanted Mellon. McMillan is who they really wanted.

[I]

Ted Roa.

[B]

And so I, I mean, I think in general they just, they want pass catchers.

[C]

Some pass catchers overall. Bobby, you were making a point there on the ezraku right before the Rams pick.

[H]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, the point that Brian's brought up before, the idea of, wow, I made a point. Are they in that. Are they in that war room potentially, or when they're looking at their roster building, are they saying we already picked our receiver in the fourth round?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And that they're saying, all right, maybe we'll get our corner in the third and our running back in the fifth. We pick whichever one stretches further.

[I]

Yeah, I mean, look, just. I understand that there you need a corner, you need a wide receiver, you need a runner. I don't really know what the plan is here with just having a third rounder. You might end up having to give up some of your day. Three picks back up in the third.

[B]

And I'm not.

[I]

That could be the move here.

[B]

And I'm not saying Dallas is doing this the wrong way or anything like, I mean, as a rock who made. If they had. If they feel convicted enough about him, if they've got a strong enough conviction, I want him to have the courage of their conviction. I want Will to pound the table and say, hey, we believed in this guy. We went through this whole process. We didn't go through it for nothing. We need to pick him. Like I want that. If that's how they feel. I'm just saying on the other end of that. So what's, what's behind that? How do you, how are you going to fill the rest of those holes? Is it going to be through these trades that Jerry's hinted at or are you going to look for, you know, some value buys? Like they were having to do it defensive line last year when they got Carl Lawson after rotating through a bunch of different players. So I don't know, I'm just going to be interested to see how, which position they choose to kind of leave out in the cold until the fifth round.

[C]

Here's the Cardinals at 47.

[E]

I like Ferguson, by the way.

[F]

What's up? Green Bay squared. And with the 47th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select Will Johnson. Defensive.

[C]

We'Ll talk about Will Johnson in the fit there with Arizona. We will also hear from the newest Dallas Cowboy, Donovan Ezraku, very, very shortly. And we'll hear the secret audio from inside the war room shortly as well. You're Listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com all right, back on the Internet side of things, Will Johnson finally goes. He goes to Arizona. It's fitting that a defensive back as legendary as Patrick Peterson gets the opportunity to introduce Will Johnson, who was thought to be one of the top corners in this draft outside of the medical red flags and possibly the 42.

[E]

Yeah, the medical red flag is going to be the biggest thing to watch for throughout the course of his career and but when he was healthy, and especially when you look back at his freshman and sophomore seasons at Michigan, this is a guy who looked like he was going to be a top five, maybe even top ten pick in the NFL draft. Just incredible in coverage. He moves really well. That top end speed was never really his thing, but I think Michigan and Wink Martindale and what they did in a professional friendly scheme set him up really well for making the jump to the NFL. I think that will still be the case if he can get healthy and continue to play at a high level. You see 6, 1 1, 94, 30 and 18 inch arms. This is a guy who is kind of the prototypical size for an outside corner. I think he's which is why we talked about him so much for the Cowboys. They love their tall Long armed corners. He fits the bill perfectly. This is a guy who if developed correctly, if he gets healthy, has shown that he's put some really good stuff on tape. It's one of those things where you see the measurements and they worry, but you turn on the tape and you just see the flashes of him being so good that I think it's worth a pick like this. And you know, it's not surprising that he fell with the injury stuff. But I think that this is a, this is a good pick here for Arizona.

[D]

I'll tell you what Arizona has done on my board and my stack. They've taken player 24 at Walter Nolan and they've taken player 25 with Will Johnson.

[E]

Not bad.

[D]

So tip of the cap to Arizona if you're, if you're following along from the Brian Broadda sport. I do tip my cap, but I also would worry that you're not probably going to. These players will bust along the way. But anyway, player 24, player 25 out of my top 235 for the Arizona Cardinals.

[C]

So that was last first round grade that I had on my board. Is Mike Green still the last one?

[D]

Yeah, Mike Green. But they've got those injured corners up there too, so.

[C]

That's true. Yeah, you've got Revel there too.

[D]

Morrison.

[C]

Morrison, he's still there. Could Dallas, you talked about maybe packaging picks and trying to move things around here. Could you see a slide on either one of those guys who we know Dallas has been connected to, to the back half of the second round and then you start calling or maybe the start of the third and then you start calling to try and package something to go target your guy and go get a corner.

[B]

I don't know about on the corner. I wonder if they do it for one of the backs though, like if they, if they really like one of these running backs and they say, look, we last year we sat by and watched these guys get snatched up. We can't have it happen again. And so I wonder if, you know, depending on who that would. Henderson, Judkins, they're off the board now. I think Judkins was a guy they really liked and were targeting heading into today. So I mean, who would that be? Would they, would they feel comfortable moving up for a Sampson or Tootin, Would they be willing to move up for those guys or would they just say let's let fate take its place and go Todd Archer. I know you guys mentioned it in the two hours that Zach and I were sitting in the other room, but I would say that Archer had said in there that they wanted to pick up that fourth again. And so, I mean, that was probably going to have to be with your second, I would think, because with your third, you're just talking about margins that are going to be more difficult.

[C]

Yeah.

[I]

When they were working the phones, I was really hopeful that they would end up making that trade back there to pick up the extra pick.

[C]

Continue. I was going to actually say we're about to go off air on the stream, so YouTube and X we're about to go off air. If you want to keep watching live coverage of the 25 draft all the way through, follow us on Dallas Cowboys.com and then on the Odyssey app as well. For 10, 5, 3 the fam. Plenty of ways to hear us live if you're not watching on the X or YouTube at this point. Sorry, Zach, didn't want to.

[I]

No, no, no. No worries at all. Yeah, I mean, I think that would have been ideal if they could have moved back and then weren't able to pick up an extra pick. I don't know that you would have been able to still get Donovan as a rock, who, if you did slide back. And obviously if that was the player that they wanted, kudos to them.

[A]

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[C]

Alongside Zach Wolchuk Brian Broaddus, Bobby Belt of 153 the fan of Dallas Cowboys.com I'm Kyle Yeomans alongside Tommy Yaris. The last five selections in the 2025 NFL Draft. The 49ers select Alfred Collins at 43. Interior offensive lineman of Texans or from Texas. The Dallas Cowboys at 44. Take Donovan Ezra Coup the Boston College edge. We're going to hear from him very, very shortly, both from the secret audio and from the newest Dallas Cowboy. The Colts at 45. Take JT to a Molo, the edge rusher from Ohio State, followed by The Rams at 46 who take Terence Ferguson, tight end from Oregon. And then the Cardinals at 47. Take Will Johnson the corner out of Michigan. The slide finally ends for Will Johnson. The Texans are on the clock at 48. They have traded with Miami and made the jump back up to the 48th overall pick. It's Texans, Bengals, Seahawks rounding out the top 50 selections in the NFL Draft.

[I]

I'd like to, to go back and just talk about some of these dudes. Obviously Alfred Collins I love. I think that's a hell of a pick there for the San Francisco 49ers. He was flagged medically. We'll see about that. Cap stream. But he, he, he's an absolute stud. I thought maybe that would knock him down to pick 76. Maybe you could get in that range.

[D]

There was some talk about him and Harmon both being guys that might, might slide a bit, a little bit with some medical stuff.

[I]

But JTT out of Ohio State is one of my favorite players in this class. He was one of the highest rated defensive prospects to sign with Ohio State in the modern recruiting era and they have had some studs.

[D]

He's been there a long time.

[I]

He has. He sure has. Top overall Prospect According to 247Sports, Polynesian player of the year in high school. But his power is impressive. I love the bull rush. He gets a good jump off the ball, can crash down the line, play the run. He's just a good, well rounded player. Kind of remind me a little bit of Tank Lawrence with the way he's able to stop the run. But I think he's a better pass rusher than people give him credit for.

[C]

Here's the Texans selection at pick number 48.

[D]

So I've got somebody on phone.

[C]

We do have somebody on the phone. Very quickly, let's skip the Texans pick. We'll catch up with it here in a moment. We've got Donovan Ezraku, the newest Dallas Cowboy on the phone. Donovan Congratulations on being the second round selection. What's going through your head right now?

[G]

How you doing? I appreciate you guys having me on. Nothing but joy as you. I lost my voice. I was yelling with the family just now. So, you know, overjoyed, you know, ecstatic. Blessed. That's what's going through my mind right now.

[C]

Now, how did the process begin and when were you first contacted by the Cowboys? Because it felt like they fought for you in the. That war room and you ended up being the selection. It feels like a good fit.

[G]

Yeah, you know, I met briefly interview at. At the combine, but that's pretty much it. I didn't have any. So I saw the area code. Didn't know. I saw the blue star color ID at the top. So I was like, okay. And then it took off from there.

[D]

Hey, Donovan.

[E]

Tommy Arch. Congratulations, man. Really happy for you. You join in a Cowboys defensive front that already has Micah Parsons and now they're going to line you up on the other side of it. How much does that excite you? Just not. Not only playing alongside Micah Parsons, but playing for a Dallas Cowboys defensive line that has had a lot of success at getting after the quarterback.

[G]

Yeah, it's very exciting and it's going to be very exciting to learn from somebody like Micah and. And I think that that'll be extremely, you know, pivotal and important to my development and, you know, with the coaching staff that's here. I, you know, I'm just excited to get to work.

[I]

What was your interaction like with the Cowboys prior to this? Were you hoping that maybe this would be the spot that you would land or was this kind of a surprise for you?

[G]

Yeah, it was. It was a surprise. Honestly, it was a surprise. That's all I could pretty much say to that. I wasn't necessarily expecting it, but I'm happy that I got that phone call.

[I]

So how would you describe yourself as a player overall? I think one of the things that stands out when we watch you is your finishing ability. Obviously, you're super disruptive. The tackles for loss speak for themselves. But what are Cowboy fans getting in you?

[G]

This. This team is going to get everything out of me, first and foremost. But. But as a player, I would describe myself as somebody who's very athletic. I could play on the edge, I could be off the ball. I could walk up, I could rush the inside. And I have a knack for the football. I know I sometimes get there might be a knack on my size, whatever the case may be, but at the end of the day, the type of player I am. I'm a dog. I consider myself a dog. And I'm going to get to the football by any, any means. You, that's what, that's what this organization is getting out of me for sure.

[C]

Can't wait to see it as well. Now, you made such a jump in your game from your, your 21, 22, 23 seasons into 2024 where you had the big time jump up in production. What was the biggest change to your game from 23 to 24 to have the success that you did?

[G]

Dude, I would just say I would. I definitely paid a lot more attention to detail. I did extra, but at the same time I played free within our scheme at bc, you know, and I think, you know, I get big credit to, you know, Coach o' Brien and coach Tim Lewis for what they did and what they helped me do. Showing that I could play on the inside and I could play on the outside as well and I could play off the ball as well. So just big credit to them and I think that definitely helped my spark of production.

[E]

Donovan, you spent some time with the Cowboys quarterback coach Steve Shimko at Boston College. I know he's on the offensive side of the ball, but what's your relationship like with him and what were some of the conversations that you had with him throughout the process in those pre draft meetings and now leading up to today?

[G]

Yeah, so I actually didn't talk up to, up until this, this point, but we had a great relationship at B.C. actually, you know, one of the ones that recruited me from B.C. because he's a Jersey guy himself and you know, last time I saw him was actually when we went down to Dallas and played smu. He actually, you know, he stopped by the hotel because. And we have a, you know, a relationship that you know, kind of goes past football. You know, there's, you know, he helped and you know, watched me develop and grow into a young man. So it'll be great to see him when I, you know, I step into them doors soon.

[E]

You were a two time team captain at Boston College. Brian Schottenheimer's been very, very clear that as the head coach of the Cowboys he wants to build a really strong culture and you kind of fit that mold. How important is the culture aspect in the locker room aspect of football for you and how much pride do you take in taking a leadership role on whatever. So yeah, so you're. So you're a two time team captain at Boston College. Brian Schottenheimer has made it very clear that Culture is a really big deal to him. How important is the locker room culture and just being a leader for you and how much pride do you take in stepping into a role like that?

[G]

Yeah, it's very important. At the same time, I understand that, you know, as a rookie, you got to earn that. You got to earn your respect from the veterans. You got to, you know, go out there, you got to go to work, you got to make plays, and then you, you know, you don't just walk into a building and, you know, you're just the leader of the room, leader of that team. So it'll be something that. That'll be earned, obviously. But, you know, I do see myself as. As a leader, but I'd love to, and I can't wait to learn from, you know, the good veterans inside that locker room.

[I]

All right, Donovan, what do you like to do outside of football? Let's get to know Donovan, the person here for a second.

[G]

Donovan, the person. As you guys can see, you know, yesterday we had a party, a draft party, and I had even more family and friends here. But today, you know, it was a lot, you know, just very more intimate with my family. That's who I am.

[C]

Love to hear it. I think we lost.

[G]

Oh, my God, we lost.

[C]

You there for a second, Donovan. Hey, we take a lot of pride in the defensive line here in Dallas. We can't wait to see you as.

[D]

A part of it.

[C]

Congratulations on such a big day. And we can't wait to see you with the star on the side of your helmet.

[G]

Thank you so much. I appreciate you.

[C]

There he goes, Donovan. Ezra Rocco, the second round pick, 44th overall for your Dallas Cowboys. Love hearing it. Kind of a bad connection again. We're at 0 for 2 in terms of cell service at the moment, but.

[D]

Yeah, these kids are going to make a lot of money. They're going to sign a contract, maybe get an AT&T deal. You know, that would be very, very helpful.

[C]

That would help them out a lot.

[D]

And they'll get. They'll get better. They'll get better.

[C]

Hey, we got a long way to grow. Not everybody's league ready whenever.

[D]

Not every. Not everybody that way.

[C]

No. No doubt about it. No, I liked what he had to say there about the connection that he has with Coach Simcoe and with somebody that he's had in the past that wasn't even his own position coach.

[E]

Yeah, I think that that's a kind of a look into the college football recruiting landscape of the world. You're going to have guys on your College football staff that are, simply put, just really good recruiters that are also in position coach roles. And Steve Schimko appears to have been that way for Boston College, going all over the country to recruit some of the best talent. And man, Coach Shimko and the staff over there at Boston College found a dude in Donovan and you know, this is Ezraku. Am I saying that right? All right, there we go. Ezra Rocku. Yeah, no, this is, this is, this is one of those examples of, you know, coaches going outside of their position and building those relationships and why relationships are so important because this stuff translates and this gives the Cowboys a leg up. Because I'm sure Steve Schumko in the evaluation process was maybe brought into some of these, these defensive position meetings where they're talking over these players at these positions because he's got a background on him. And I thought the answer too about how important culture was for him being a two time team captain and what Brian Scheimer is trying to build here, very similar answer to what Tyler Booker had to say earlier today. Hey, I'm a rookie. I understand that I'm coming in here and I have to earn my stripes in order to become a leader on this team. But that's something that's clearly very important to him. And we're clearly starting to see a type here in terms of what Brian.

[C]

Scheimer like Ariante Ursary goes off the board of The Texans at 48 tackle from Minnesota. We'll talk about him in a second. Demetrius Knight, Jr. Linebacker from South Carolina goes to the Bengals at 49 and then the Seahawks just took former Frisco Independence product Elijah Arroyo, tied in from Miami is off the board to the Seahawks at 50. Zach, you want to talk about Ursaries so far? I know you liked him a lot out of Minnesota.

[I]

Yeah, Ursary is a really good player. I know. I mean the, the heavy footed stuff is something I know Brian and I discussed, but I was impressed with how he competed versus Abdul Carter in their matchup. When I was watching him against Penn State he was fighting for his life early in the game in pass protection but he battles back and then he ends up moving him off the ball and was able to really win some reps against him and especially was really good in the run game. He adjusted well. He can kick wide of the quarterback and pass pro physical player, long arms, inconsistent though with his hands. I think that's something that needs to improve. He can get a little sloppy with the technique, gets off balance, he's a little clumsy but he's a dominant force in the running game. He's going to move you right out of the way. Can move well to get to the second level, finish his blocks. Can combo block well. I thought the feet were better than others did. He did give me a little Kingsley Suamataia vibes who went to the Chiefs last year. But a big, big dude, Ariante Ursri has a mean streak to his game. Just kind of the offensive lineman that I like. I think that was a really good pick for Houston.

[D]

Are you guys surprised that Ferguson and Arroyo go before? Maybe like Helm and Fanning from Boston College? I think I had those guys a little bit higher myself.

[C]

Taylor, I had a little bit lower than those guys. But Arroyo, I'm really high on Elijah Arroyo. I loved what he did at the Senior Bowl. Now, I covered him in high school, called his football game for Frisco ISD during his time at Independence. But you talk about an incredible route runner for a tight end. Good break, body control is there. Large catch radius. He's a nightmare in coverage. Great hands to pair with, fantastic length at the position. Now, he does have a long list of medicals, so the fact that he goes in the top 50 is kind of interesting. With the medical history there. He's got to work on balance a little bit as well as the Panthers make their selection here at pick number 51 in the second round, Nick scouting Nick Scorton. Yep, he is off the board. Edge rusher from Texas A and M. As I finish up Arroyo's build there, I, I really liked what he did his last year as well. 35 catches, 590 receiving yards, seven touchdowns with Cam Ward as the quarterback there in Miami, big time player. What do you think about Scourton here? Scorton here from Texas A and M, edge rusher before we hear from some secret audio.

[E]

You know, I get it. I'm already getting the people on Twitter saying, oh, Tommy's a Texas homer and he's going to, you know, talk bad about this guy. I. Look, I just don't think that this was the year that a lot of people expected from Scourton. And A and M, he came into the year kind of expected as a top 10 pick based on what he had shown at Purdue before he entered the transfer portal. Was one of the top players in the transfer portal when he committed to the Yankees and you know, really the defensive line as a whole, I don't think was as disruptive at times as you would have wanted them to be. But the good thing with scoutin is I think that he's got all the tools to develop into a top end pass rusher. You know, you look at the height and the weight there, six' two, 257, 33 and a quarter inch arms. He's got the perfect build for the size. Maybe he needs to drop a little bit of weight, but strong at the point of attack. He's got good swim move for his size. You saw right there breaking up the pass from Riley Leonard, so. So this is going to be one that you're going to have to tweak with a little bit. But Carolina needs any and all help that they can get coming off the edge. So this is a pick that makes a lot of sense.

[B]

Gosh, I wanted to like him so much more than I did.

[E]

Yeah, me too.

[I]

Just watch him against Arkansas. You'll love him.

[B]

I just. I felt like way too often true. Way too often scort. And I felt like when I'd watch it, it's like he gets stoned on the first move and he's like, okay, yeah, like, it just. It felt like, all right, that didn't work well, I guess I'm just not rushing the rest of the time. It just. It felt like he could very easily be taken out of the place. I think that there's good tools there. There are things I like about him, but man, he. I feel like he could be so much better and I just. I didn't see it.

[I]

Yeah, he's got a skill set that he should be, but I mean, against Arkansas, four tackles for loss, two sacks, force fumble. This spin move is nasty for him. He needs to use that a little bit more. He's got one of the nastiest spin moves I've seen, but yeah, I'm with you. He could have been a more productive player consistently, but he does have a lot of talent. He's a freak athlete.

[C]

Late Oluwafimi Oladejo goes 52 overall to the Tennessee Titans. He's a really fun player as well. Another Senior bowl standout. This edge rusher role is rolling now after the Cowboys take edge rusher Donovan ezraku at the 44th overall pick. Let's hear this secret audio from inside the war room as Donovan Ezraku was the pick at 44 for Dallas.

[D]

Donovan.

[C]

Jerry Jones.

[G]

How you doing?

[C]

Dallas Cowboys.

[F]

We're happy to have you.

[G]

Okay, okay.

[C]

We're happy to have you.

[F]

I'll tell you this, you've got a.

[D]

Lot of support in this room and I appreciate.

[F]

We were sure happy when you got down There right at us, so. And we had a couple of people.

[D]

Really wanting this pick.

[F]

And boy, when we saw we had.

[C]

You, we just said, don't mess around here.

[D]

Let's get him.

[G]

I appreciate you.

[F]

Listen, I want to hand you the hand to coach. Head coach.

[D]

And then coaches coming on in here.

[C]

We got plenty of time.

[G]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Donovan.

[I]

Coach Shimer, man.

[C]

How you doing, brother? How you doing, brother? Donovan, can you hear me?

[D]

Oh, okay.

[F]

Hey, this Coach Sh.

[E]

Man, congratulations.

[G]

I appreciate you, Coach.

[C]

Hey, man, hey, listen, I know one thing.

[I]

You sure as hell know how to. To do a couple things that we love.

[C]

Rush the freaking passer.

[G]

Come on.

[C]

Hey, and play with edge, man, you.

[F]

Know what I'm saying?

[I]

So excited you're here.

[E]

Hey, a couple guys I want you to talk to.

[I]

Coach Eber flu and then Coach White.

[F]

Guy want to say hello.

[E]

But hey, congrats, my man.

[D]

All right, hold on.

[E]

Here's Coach Dino.

[G]

Yes, sir, I'm here.

[D]

Hey, man, this is Floo Some, the D coordinator.

[E]

How you doing?

[G]

I'm great.

[C]

Hey, man, I just.

[D]

I stood on this.

[C]

Hey, I stood on the stump for you, man.

[F]

I'm just telling you that.

[D]

That.

[I]

Hey, I said when is it?

[C]

Do you get a blue pass rusher?

[E]

That means you're great with blue character like you.

[D]

That's. That's a rare occasion, man, you know, and you're a dog too.

[F]

I'm so excited to.

[E]

Excited to have you on our football team.

[C]

And you're gonna kick ass and take.

[G]

You know it. You know it.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I already know it.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

There is the secret audio. Got to hear from Coach Eber flu saying he stood on the stump for Donovan Ezraku. All right, we gotta continue on with more coverage of the 2025 NFL Draft on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot com. All right, back on the Internet side of things, let's break down some of these players that just ran off the clock because, man, we. We likes it a lot.

[D]

I got a shot to be really wrong about these Texas A and M kids. He really. I'll admit that. Yeah, I admit that I'm a coward, but I'm both like right in the same. Same spot, you know, I'm really not too sure. Yeah, very high film on. On these kids, you know, I mean, like look at a lot of early film and you know, went back and I was just like, man, I'm just telling you right now, I'm not really still sure about these guys. So I've. I've got a real shot to Be like, I don't think I was high enough on these guys. But, you know, I just, I was just like Bobby was talking about. I was just expecting so much more when people were talking about, oh, they could rush, they could do this, they could do that. Well, there's pressures there and there's, you know, but there's no sacks, there's no production, there's rushing down the middle and all that. You know, maybe these guys will come in the NFL and they will prove me absolutely wrong if they do gig them. Because I, you know what? I really, really, really struggled with these kids. I wanted to like them. But I like the product production was bothering me, was bothering me a lot.

[C]

Nick Scorton, by the way, I'm looking at the NFL pronunciation guy that's different than what I've seen in the past. Nick Scorton. Scorton. But you'll be saying his name a little bit or maybe a lot with the Carolina Panthers there.

[E]

So going back to our guy, Donovan Ezraku here, he grew up 20 miles south of Philadelphia in New Jersey. And down his, his conference call now that he's doing with the media, he said it was pretty cool to see the Eagles win the Super Bowl. In quote his, my last year as an Eagles fan. So there you go. He said, he said he had a. He said he had attendees wearing Eagles gear at his draft party and he told him to take it all off before.

[I]

Yeah, that's good. That's good.

[E]

Okay, so there you go. Yeah.

[I]

Cut himself away.

[C]

Yeah, I know there's a lot of Cowboys fans out there that still don't like that, but hey, it's okay. Can't help where you're born, you know?

[E]

No, you can't.

[I]

And it's not your fault.

[E]

And now he's severed ties.

[C]

So let's hear about Ola Wafimi. Ola Dejo, edge rusher from ucla. I know, I liked him a lot. Tennessee Titans, man, he's a fun player.

[D]

He is. He's like, like a, it's a linebacker. Like before moving, he was a transfer from Cal is where. But he's got athletic ability, he's got length, he's got pop in his hand. He does a really great job of extending those hands. I mean, he's got some natural leverage in the way he plays. Due to his length. He appears to have the quickness you want. He could rush with his hand down. Two point stance, power. I've seen him move around as a rusher. He'd get on the edge, line him up Inside, use him as twists, loopers. He's a tackler. There's some violence to this kid's game, and I might, I thought he might be best suited to play as an off ball linebacker and kind of a situational rusher. But you could tell watching tape this kid loves to play football. You know, I've heard nothing but positive things about him and his character.

[I]

I thought, yeah, you got it, Zach. I thought the best thing that could have happened to him. We want the Bucks pick.

[C]

Yeah, here's.

[D]

Oh, here we go.

[E]

Bucks.

[I]

They got my guy, Benjamin Morrison.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Continue to stack that.

[I]

Good pick for Tampa. Yeah, they, I mean, they got Igbuka, they've got Morrison. That is a heck of a one, two, maybe the back. Best in the class there. Ola Dejo, though. I thought the best thing that ever happened to him was moving from linebacker to edge. I thought he was stiff as hell at a linebacker. I didn't think he was good there at all. But he's got an explosive first step now at the edge. He had 13 and a half tackles for loss, four and a half sacks. A lot of raw, natural ability as a pass rusher. Like his best football is going to be ahead of him. He can be a force against the run. You see a ton of upside. High motor, super smart player. He's just got an instinct and feel for playing the edge. There's. I think that this was a really nice pick for Tennessee with a player who's really on the rise.

[C]

Bobby, can you tell me a little bit about Benjamin Morrison?

[D]

Notre Dame corner.

[C]

Did you see with him?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Let me give you one quick set because I've been distracted here for the last three minutes. Brian scratched my brain on something when you were asking about Harold Fannin.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause I remember somebody had told me that Fannin was flagged by some people, and so I was just like, okay.

[D]

Well, I wish I'd have known that before. Put a grade.

[B]

I know, I know. But I was like, okay. I was like, what kind of flag is this? I guess there, there's some, there's some stuff in Harold Fadden's background.

[D]

All right.

[B]

A lot of stuff. I. I don't know how. I don't know if every team's gonna be uncomfortable with it, but apparently there's. There's a lot there that can be. That, that can be.

[C]

I hate to hear that.

[B]

Problematic, potentially. No, no. Yeah. He's. He's fun to, you know, he. He's a little awkward, he's a little unorthodox, but I. I mean, I was. Once he said that, I was like, oh, yeah, I never followed up on that. And there it was. So that's what it is. Brian, there's your answer.

[A]

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[C]

Get almost anything you need delivered with UberEats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed.

[E]

Lawn delivered, but you can't get chicken parmesan delivered.

[C]

A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no. A burrito bowl?

[D]

Happily, yes.

[C]

What about a day of sunshine?

[E]

Not happening.

[C]

A box of fine wines? Yes, that's happening. Delivery on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, then how about some French fries? Yep.

[E]

A little escape?

[D]

No.

[E]

A delicious bowl of grapes?

[D]

Yes.

[E]

Yes, that.

[I]

How about a freshly cut lawn?

[C]

Can't help you there. But barbecued prawns? Order it and it's on its way. Get almost. Almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now.

[E]

Alcohol in select markets.

[C]

Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Around 10 picks remaining in the second round of the 2025 NFL Draft alongside Zach Wolchuk, Brian Broaddus, Bobby Bell, Tommy Yarish. I'm Kyle yeomans here on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com the Packers selection is on the clock. Roger Goodell working to the podium now as he continues the second round in Green Bay in front of his home crowd.

[D]

I have some special guests up here to help make the Green Bay packers choice, so give it up for packers legend Jordy Nelson.

[C]

What's up, Packer Country State's finest.

[D]

Looks like you can still play.

[C]

I also want to introduce Kenya Marcellus.

[B]

From the Boys and Girls Club in Green Bay. We're recognizing incredible youth like them as.

[D]

Part of our Inspire Change initiative.

[F]

The NFL works with Boys and Girls.

[C]

Club Nathan Nationwide to help young people.

[F]

Find their voices, advocate for issues important.

[B]

To them, and become future leaders. Let's have these leaders help me announce the pick.

[C]

With the 54th pick in the 2025.

[E]

NFL Draft, the Green Bay packers select Anthony Belton.

[F]

Texas tackle, NC State.

[C]

They go offensive line there. Let's Just recap the last five selections, starting with 50 in the Seahawks. Elijah Arroyo, tight end from Miami Panthers at 51. Take Nick Scorton. Ed Drescher from Texas A and M. The Titans at 52. Take Oluwafimi Oladejo, edge rusher from UCLA. Benjamin Morrison, possible Cowboys target at corner from Notre dame. He goes 53rd overall to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And then as you just heard, Anthony Belton, offensive tackle from NC State goes to the packers at pick, number 54. Brian, you made a noise there from Belton. You like what they have there at left half?

[D]

No, I don't. It's a reach. Yeah. To me this is when you start. I mean, I can understand the Packer. I mean, I was talking to those guys. I like Tripillo guys. I mean, there's some guys I clearly like better. Lunton from, you know, Chase Lund. Chase Lund from UConn.

[I]

Charles Grant.

[D]

Yeah, exactly. Logan Brown, Just keep going. But here, let me get to where I am with Belton. The size, the length, at times he could be a little slow footed, but he does a big dude. Managed. Yeah, he's 6, 6, 3, 36. He handled the pass rush of North Carolina much better than he did those edge rushers from Tennessee. And we know Tennessee's got some dudes that can absolutely fly that corner. He's got a physical side to his game. I think he does a better job of bullying his opponent later in the season than he did earlier in the season, but he's going to get movement, especially when he can angle block and when he can seal his guy off. When he's asked to make those blocks in space, it's a struggle for him to locate his man and then connect on those blocks. He'd get turned around, put off balance. There's some snaps where his pad level and footwork could be way off, but he's going to win more with power than athletic ability. So. So I don't think he'll be a starter initially. I think he's a backup at best because of some of these inconsistencies that I just talked about.

[C]

Here is Melvin Gordon with the Chargers. Selection at pick number 55 with the.

[F]

55Th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Chargers select Trey Harris, wide receiver, Mississippi.

[D]

Good player.

[I]

Trey Harris is really good.

[D]

Really good player.

[I]

Yeah, I'm with you on Belton though, Brian. His nickname's Escalade. He played at Georgia Military Academy before He transferred to NC State. 32 career starts, left tackle. He actually took over for Iki Aquanu but I'm with you. I mean, the dude is powerful. Just does not move well. I mean, he'll get out in space and he's like, what in the world am I doing? Fills the hell out of the uniform. But Trey Harris had Ole Miss, man. I thought he could have gone a little bit higher than this spot. Tommy.

[E]

Yeah. You and I have, you know, really been beating the drum for this guy. I think he's the best X in this class behind Tearoa McMillan. Unbelievable. 50, 50 ball receiver. He's got the frame and athleticism to go up and fight for any ball. He can adjust anywhere during the catch. Strong hands to bring the ball in. You know, a lot of the criticism has come from, does he have good burst off the line of scrimmage? I see some really good reps of him doing that. So if he can build on that at the next level, I think that's something that he can really round his game out with. Not the best top end speed, but he's got long strides to get the job done. Aggressive out in running, in run blocking on the outside. This is a really good player. And going to a place in Los Angeles where, you know, Quentin Johnson didn't really turn out for them as well, I think this is a guy who can kind of fill into that role and. And be a good compliment to what QJ is trying to do there.

[B]

I. And I know you guys have been big fans of Trey Harris. I had him on day three. I just don't see a guy that.

[D]

I don't think, shame you missed him, Bob.

[B]

I don't think he's gonna. I don't think he's gonna get open. Open consistently enough. I mean, that's just the. When we talk about some of the struggles that occurred when Jonathan Mingo went in the second round.

[E]

Sure.

[B]

And then you look at when he got to the NFL, some of the things he struggled with. I think a lot of that same stuff is there with Trey Harris.

[C]

Is that the helmet, though, that you're scouting?

[B]

No, no, no. I mean, this is legitimately. I think when you look at the size and the same sort of issues of just, it's. He doesn't have the athleticism, I think, to consistently get away. He doesn't have the nuance with the hand fighting, the releases, everything else. I just don't see a guy who's going to consistently get open open.

[E]

Was Mingo. Is this is a genuine question. Was Mingo as productive in college as Trey Harris?

[I]

No.

[C]

When healthy? No. No.

[E]

I mean, you look At Harris, he.

[I]

Averaged 100 yards per game across his career.

[E]

You look at this past year, eight games, a thousand yards, seven touchdowns, and you know, two, two years earlier in 2012 when he was at Louisiana Tech, 935 yards and 10 touchdowns. I mean, I think this is, I think that production certainly helps you. This is a, you know, a five year player who started his career, like I said, at Louisiana Tech in those last two years at Ole Miss, 15 career touchdowns in 20 games. Yeah, I think that, that, that's something worth banking on. He's a guy who I think makes plays. But at the same time, I think Bobby's got a good point in terms of how he sees the player.

[B]

I, I have the best points. Brian, you're being too nice here.

[I]

Tom, you need to fight for your guy.

[D]

You're not gonna be asked back if you don't fight a little more.

[E]

Oh, I mean, I'm not. No, look, I mean, like, I'm not saying he's right. I'm just saying.

[D]

No, I mean, I mean, we thought.

[B]

We just saw Saturday around here, around a table last night and kicked around how Jackson Dart was a. Just a benefit.

[D]

This dude makes a lot of plays down the field.

[B]

We're talking about Jackson Dart being a beneficiary of the Lane Kiffin system. Yeah, and I'm saying like that I.

[D]

Fought for Jackson Dart.

[B]

No, I did. You did. I'm just saying in general, around this table last night, we're talking about Jackson Dart benefiting from that. I think that when you see corners get into Trey Harris, his size shrinks.

[C]

I still had 100 yards per game.

[I]

Though, which is one of two players.

[D]

Jabar, Gambi, Bobby. I see a strong red zone player. No, I see a strong red zone player.

[I]

He's got phenomenal hands.

[D]

I do. I just see a guy, you know, it's 62205. I mean, I see a guy that goes and gets the ball. So I mean, I think the building up, the speed and stuff like that. I think he, when he gets going, he could run past defending.

[I]

He gets faster as he gets.

[D]

He does.

[B]

I mean, he gets the momentum, he gets the.

[I]

Yeah, but he doesn't have the quick like off the line. I get that. I did write in my notes I want to see him run more routes. And that's a product of the Ole Miss offense.

[D]

Why, why did I put my notes. He's a contested catch machine.

[I]

He did.

[D]

Because he, that's what he does.

[B]

No, but I'm talking.

[I]

He made some one handed snags.

[B]

I'm not talking about the size on the contested catches. I'm talking about when he gets pressed in general. Like, I just don't see him getting open. He can't get open frequently enough. I think NFL corners, when they press him, he's going to have massive issues. I don't think he's going to get open often.

[C]

You brought up the note there, Zach, about the 100 yards per game average, and he's only the second player in history to ever do that. Florida's Jabbar Gaffney did it back in, in the early 2000s. He ended up having an 11 year career and ended up with over 6,000 yards receiving throughout his time.

[D]

So, I mean, I don't know if Gaffney was great.

[B]

I was gonna say Trey Harris is Gaffney, that he's worse than y' all.

[D]

Said then if that's the case, Bobby's right. He's better than Gaffney.

[C]

He's better than Gaffney. I'm giving you a. Gaffney was.

[D]

You did, you did give us a comparison. That's against my alma mater right here. I mean, they're giving him free access in the route. Watch this. He's going to go to the back of the inside. He's going to. They're going to try and bracket him here, but just go get the ball. Yep.

[B]

And that's, that's how I caught it. Free access to the route, Brian.

[C]

Yeah, that's exactly right.

[D]

Oh, what's going on here? Looks like he's got press on the outside here. Bobby, if this is terrible radio, I'm watching a highlight here. Look at that.

[I]

He's a deep down deep guy. Monster man, him. And he's just consistently making plays down the field.

[C]

Now, the Chargers going with a Marion Hampton out of North Carolina in the first. In the first round. Then they go Trey Harris. They're hunting some wide receivers there in la.

[B]

Brian, I'm going to make you. I'm going to make you a. Three years from now. Shotgun, Bobby, shotgun a beer on the air. Okay?

[D]

Whatever you're going to shot Eric is not going to let me shotgun a beer on the air.

[B]

No, not. I didn't say that. I'm saying shotgun a beer on the air at 105 or on, on social media.

[C]

You.

[B]

I'll make you the bet Trey Harris doesn't have a single 600 yard season in the first three years.

[I]

All right, I'll bet it with you.

[D]

Come on, let's go. I'll be at the Lake house. When you guys are talking about three years.

[B]

All right, so it's Bryce Harper.

[C]

Seth Rollins is going close. Bears selection at 56 overall.

[E]

There's about 80 million diamonds on that suit.

[D]

Man, they do not like the Bears up there. No, they don't have.

[B]

We all just accepted. Shador is not getting drafted.

[C]

Until 76.

[B]

Right?

[D]

Better than that.

[E]

Vegas in two picks. I know y' all mad because championship.

[D]

Gold looks good on the blue and.

[C]

Or.

[D]

A pro wrestler, dude. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm not up on this.

[E]

You suplexed our guy.

[C]

Isaiah Stanback. Yeah, he's good friends with Isaiah.

[D]

Oh, he was on Good Morning Football. All right, cool, dude. I like it.

[C]

You're up to date on the wrestling.

[D]

Yes. Isaiah did a good job of helping him flipping jump a little bit. North. The best quarterback in the NFC North.

[I]

Caleb Williams is on.

[C]

If he doesn't say first name. Freaking first name. As the. That's his thing. Seth freaking Rollins is how you say it. I'm gonna be disappointed here. After this big lead up, he's gotta have the nickname in the middle there.

[D]

I am a revolutionary.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I am Seth Freaking. There you go.

[C]

See, now he's gonna see. It says in the middle here.

[D]

Give me time to catch up on my notes. NFL draft. The greatest franchise in the NFL. The Chicago Bears select Ozzy Tropillo. There we go. Ozzy Trillo. There we go.

[I]

It's a better.

[D]

Now we're back on track. That's.

[I]

That's a good pick right there out of Boston College.

[D]

Now we're back on track with Oz. I'll tell you what. I do like Ozzie Tripillo with you. You know, to me and my. My career has been built on offensive linemen that are big and long and don't have strength. I have been wrong about these guys more than not so. But I'm going to tell you what. This guy is 6, 8, he's 316. He has played all the line positions for Boston College. He starts at right tackle. He's got the size, he's got the length.

[C]

Length.

[D]

He's got the feet. He will end up on the ground some, but he plays well in space. This guy runs well, he moves well. He's a guy that. He's in my blind spot. He's a tackle. So move well. But not always strong. And I've been more wrong with those guys than anybody. And any block that evolves movement, he could be really good to go. Reach blocks, scoop blocks. He finds ways to get in front of the defender he engages of his share of stalemates when comes off as a run blocker. He's allowed two sacks in two seasons. The metrics will tell you, but I think he's a much better pass blocker than he is a run blocker. And I do like this kid, but he is one of my blind spots. He's the tall guy that doesn't have strength. That means he'll be an all Pro next year.

[B]

But you know how different he is from most of the tackles that come out in today's NFL. Is that like he knows how to use his hands.

[D]

He is good and then he's a good football player.

[B]

That's where you're right.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Guys in the trenches most frequently when they're coming out of college, that's where they're furthest behind. I feel like his hand usage and it's not just the hands with him. I feel like he marries the hands and the footwork together. He's. He's really smooth and I think that's why he's even with some of the strength stuff and the stuff that scares you, Brian. I think that's why he's still.

[D]

Oh, it doesn't scare. It doesn't scare. It just.

[B]

Or your blind spot.

[D]

I always talk about these guys and I'm never right. So now I'm embracing it.

[I]

Embrace it because I think he's going to be a really good right tag.

[D]

I'm embracing.

[C]

Here's the Lions selection at pick number 57, Kubi, who will announce the selection.

[D]

Of the Detroit Lions second round pick.

[C]

As a proud soldier, Christopher deployed to.

[D]

Iraq where he was tragically killed in.

[C]

An IED explosion in July 2007 at age 18.

[D]

Specialist Kubi's service was marked by numerous.

[C]

Awards and decorations, including the Bronze Star.

[D]

Medal and the Purple Heart. Christopher grew up in Michigan and was a lifelong fan of alliance, passionately cheering.

[C]

His home team whenever he could.

[F]

We honor him and thank his family.

[D]

And taps the tragedy Assistance Program for.

[C]

Survivors which offers care to those grieving the loss of a military loved one. And now I'm going to turn it.

[D]

Over to John and David who will announce in honor of their brother and son.

[C]

Let him give it a cheer, baby.

[D]

Let's hear it. Thank you. Thank you so much. And here we go. The Denver Broncos have traded the 57th pick to the Detroit Lions. With the 57th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select Tate Ratledge, guard from Georgia. Here we go.

[C]

Good guard Tate Raglage out of Georgia is the 57th pick in the second round. We have seven selections remaining.

[D]

Is that Detroit? Is that Detroit's pick? Okay, Detroit came up for this one.

[C]

Yes, they did. They liked him quite a bit. We've got more coverage rolling on through going into our number three of night two of the 2025 NFL Draft on 105. Three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com tell me a little bit about Tate Ratledge here, gentlemen. You said you liked the pick.

[I]

I think he was the best guard left right now. Right guard, big, powerful Mauler, plays with good feeling, awareness to pass off lineman recognized stunts and blitzes out at Georgia. He did get hurt in the conference opener against Kentucky. Missed the next four games. SEC co offensive player of the week in their win over Tennessee. You don't see that a lot for an offensive lineman. He also switches number to 69 this past season. Nice. I really enjoyed watching him battle against Alfred Collins in that SEC title title game. Those two just went to war against each other. Now, he does have some times where he can get overpowered initially, but then he anchors down and he recovers really well. Got good leverage, sound footwork, works the combo blocks well. I think the hand fighting, to Bobby's point about Tropeo, he can improve that a little bit. He can lean, be a little top heavy into his blocks, but I think he's a really good right guard that's going to end up being a serviceable starter.

[B]

Somebody told me if he wasn't getting hurt all the time, he would have gone in the first.

[C]

I believe it.

[E]

I want to go back real quick.

[B]

He's very similar to Booker, by the way. I feel like I don't. I don't feel like he's as technically clean as Booker, but I think that there's a lot of similar type. The Mahler, some of the balance stuff and the awareness.

[I]

Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

I think that that tightrope surgery was what kind of knocked him down a little bit. I'll wait till after the Raiders pick here to go back to Tropo.

[C]

We are rolling at this point.

[D]

Rich or you or Tropilla?

[E]

I want to talk about Trillo real quick.

[D]

Okay, sure. And I want to give.

[B]

Shador doesn't go here. He's going to the cfl.

[C]

PC L Appreciation Saskatchewan Rough Riders.

[F]

No PC.

[B]

It's not even Saskatchewan.

[D]

It's two weeks till Mother's Day and.

[C]

He always wished him an early Happy Mother Cliff Ranch.

[D]

He's right. If you're a fan of the NFL, if you're A player in the NFL. If you're a coach in the NFL.

[C]

You likely had a very supportive, encouraging.

[D]

Mom or mom figure that sacrificed to make that dream possible.

[C]

Tonight we have another dream being made.

[D]

With the 58th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Las Vegas Raiders winners select Jack Besh.

[C]

Good selection for them. Yeah, I, I want to talk about him when we get on the radio side because he is a local product and, and tcu of course we can hit him here on the, the Internet side but once we get back on the, on the line side, I want to continue with Jack.

[D]

Finish your point on Tripillo.

[E]

Let's get that.

[C]

If we could hold off on the, the B roll, we'll get back to Bash, I promise.

[E]

Just really quick on Tripillo and I'm sorry to throw you off being but what's interesting about the Bears picking him there is he's played primarily right tackle. Well, they took Darnell right with nine overall a couple of years ago and he's played the last two years as a starter on that right side. So is this a guy that they're going to play at left tackle? He started 10 games at Boston College at left tackle in his career. Is this the guy that they want to trust? Caleb Williams is blindsided with. I don't think Braxton Jones is going to be the fit for them there long term in Chicago. So is Ozzie Chapillo the guy? I would say yes. I say give it a shot. You know, Caleb Williams was sacked a million and a half times last year. So anything is better than what they had. I think in the. They've already buffed up the offensive line and I think that moving him over to left tackle is going to be something that they look back and smile on.

[I]

You're going to ruin his career if you do that. Caleb Williams now Ozzy trapped. I think he needs to stay on the right side. I'd rather move Darnell right to the left. Personally, I don't, I don't know about Torpedo as a left tackle. Try it. He is a good athlete. He's played 10 starts there 100% but I think he's much better suited on the right side. But he does have the athleticism to do it. So we'll see if it works out for him.

[C]

Him well and I think there's, there's so much.

[D]

I can name them all, all the week, all the week long tackles that I thought were going to just be terrible, you know, I mean and, and they end up.

[I]

Colton Miller.

[D]

Nah, Colt Miller. What's that guy? What's the guy?

[B]

Of the Green bay tackles for 15 years.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[I]

John Michaels.

[D]

Yeah. Who's the guy? Yeah. Not Balaga. The other. The other guy there that was always hurt. Hurt. Always had his knee hurt. Can't remember his name.

[B]

Yeah, I can't remember.

[D]

Yeah, I'll write it in a second.

[C]

Making a. Making a switch here at top of the hour. Yeah, Tommy's doing all right.

[E]

I'm happy.

[C]

We're a little upset.

[E]

I'm happy for Trey.

[C]

A little bit happy for Trey Harris.

[E]

That's a great. That's a great pick.

[C]

Oh, Zach, we lose you again.

[I]

Yeah, man. I'm in, I'm out, I'm out, I'm in.

[C]

But day three.

[I]

I'll be back in an hour. I'll be back in an hour. We're good.

[F]

You'll be all good to go back in a hours. You know, musical chairs in this mug. Y'. All. Y' all all right. Online Internet. Y' all all right?

[C]

Did you talk to some of your.

[A]

Your.

[C]

Your people in the break?

[F]

Love my people, man. I talk to my people all the time. Even. Even when we here, I'll just be on the laptop, just typing in some chat box, telling them I'm coming.

[B]

Oh, I. I gotta see who. Who's. Hey, hold on. Let me ask Brian who his top player left is because the Ravens are picking.

[C]

Ah, that's true. 59 overall.

[F]

Oh, wow.

[H]

Yeah, we know about this one.

[C]

Do you?

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

All right. What, did you already see it or.

[F]

We got sources, Kyle.

[D]

Y.

[F]

We got sources. And the Ravens going.

[B]

All right.

[F]

Do something cool.

[C]

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[D]

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[C]

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[C]

Rolling into our number three of day two of the 2025 NFL Draft alongside Nick Harris, Vach Lombardi, Tommy Arish, Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with us throughout the entire weekend and here on 1053 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com let's go catch up a little bit here. 54th overall, the packers take Anthony Belton, offensive tackle from NC State. The Chargers at 55. Take Trey Harris, wide receiver from Ole Miss, who we know some of our draft show brethren were pretty high on. The Bears at 56, take Ozzie Tropillo, offensive tackle from Boston College, who had to practice against the newest Dallas Cowboy, Donovan Ezraku during his time at Boston College. The Lions at 57, take Tate Ratledge, offensive lineman from Georgia. And then the most recent selection, the Raiders. From Las Vegas, take TCU wide receiver Jack Besh. Let's talk about Jack Besh a little bit. Of course, the Cowboys had their eyes on Besh as a possible X receiver to add to their own tally, but since he's a Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex College player, Nick Harris, I'll let you start. He was second team all Big 12 last year. Really? A top wide receiver who helped grow his stock throughout the year.

[H]

Yeah, one of the better stories in this class too, the attack that happened on New Orleans on New Year's Eve. His brother passed away in that instance and he's dedicated this entire draft process and his career to his brother Tiger and won the MVP at the Senior Bowl. Had an awesome day there, had the game winning touchdown. He comes across as this big wide target, but he's only six foot one and it's honestly a credit to him. He boxes out like a power forward despite being just 6 foot 1. He can be a downfield target as a result. He's a fun weapon. He's not the strongest, he's not the fastest, he's not the biggest. He's just good. He's a good football player and sometimes these type of guys work out in the NFL and sometimes they don't. So I'm going to be following Jack Besh pretty closely. He actually has a familial connection to this Building strength and conditioning coach as his uncle. So they did have quite a bit of research on Jack Besh coming into this process. But he goes to. He goes to the Raiders, correct?

[B]

Raiders.

[C]

Yeah, Raiders. At pick number 58, former strength and conditioning coach, former Brett Besh.

[B]

Yeah, Brett Besh.

[C]

Now, the Ravens are on the clock here at 59 here.

[B]

As I just had to ask Brian because we know Brian always says whoever's my top player left on the board, that's who they're going to take. So I just had to pop out there and I said, brian, who's the top player left on your board? He says it's Mike Green from Marshall. That's so. So we got to see are they.

[C]

Going to take Mike Green from Marshall here? Nick?

[H]

Yeah, I can make a lot, can make a lot of sense.

[F]

It's the Ravens. Why wouldn't they take the best player?

[B]

By the way, going back to the Raiders really quickly, I love it's two picks so far and they've picked up some others by moving back. I love the Raiders draft so far. Getting genty and picking up extra capital.

[C]

Yeah. How many picks do they have remaining on their board? I mean, they've got quite a few left. Right. I'm trying to look at when they're picking next. They pick the fourth selection of the third round, 68. So they're up in now the next 10 picks as the pick is in for Baltimore at 59. Ravens, Broncos Commanders, Bears, Chiefs and Eagles. The next six selections to round out the second round. The Cowboys, of course, hold the 76th overall pick. Let's bring up this conversation because we brought it up early in the show. If there's a player there worth trading up for, I know they like Siobhan Revelle Jr. From East Carolina. Could they toy with the idea of packaging some of those fifth, sixth, seventh round selections and trying to go up and get a specific guy?

[E]

Either that or you look at them trying to package some of those picks like we talked about earlier in the show and trying to get back their fourth round pick that they saw for Jonathan Mingo. This is something that, you know, I've been talking about for a couple of weeks. That just makes sense given how deep this class is. You see we're looking at the war room here. Doesn't look like there's a lot of action just right now. Obviously there's going to be a while until the Cowboys are on the clock at 76, but it's something that I think would make sense when you think about the holes that are still on this roster. There's only five defensive tackles on this roster. I feel like we've barely talked about defensive tackle so far. Darius Alexander from Toledo is a guy, guy that's still on the board going in here. So if that's a guy that Dallas feels like they need to trade up to get because they feel like he would fill some gaps for them, that's somebody that I could certainly see them going up to try and grab. But if they continue to fall, then I think you're, you're comfortable with staying where you're at. Maybe a Savon Revel, if that injury concern is, is something that really scares a lot of teams, maybe he falls all the way down to the third. Tre Amos is still out there. So a lot of guys still out there on the board for them and guys that they're interested and I would say that this, this, the way this draft has fallen has been pretty well in their favor in terms of taking guys who are pretty high on their board.

[F]

So far, I think the Cowboys are just kind of showing that they're just going to take the guys that they like. I don't think that they're going to sweat it too much. We've heard rumors about, I don't say names here, but maybe they'll trade for a running back, maybe they'll trade for a wide receiver, maybe they'll trade for a corner. So maybe in their mind that they have an idea of what's going to happen. So if the board doesn't fall their way in terms of wide receiver or running back, then fine, they'll just take the best pass rush that they like and they really like a guy. I mean, you know, look at the war room cam and they're just, hey, it just looked spirited when they were talking about Donovan as Rocco when he was being drafted there. I just think that they just want to take their guys whether the, you know, whether they need a guy or not.

[C]

Here's the Raven selection at pick number 59, where we have grown, harvested and.

[D]

Donated more than 2 million pounds of.

[C]

Food to help with hunger relief.

[D]

And.

[C]

Hunger throughout our nation. And so our motto is to never.

[I]

Stop giving, never stop loving, and never stop growing so that no child will go without food.

[F]

My son JW and I, we have.

[C]

The honor and the privilege of presenting tonight's pick for the Baltimore Ravens.

[D]

And with the 59th pick in the.

[C]

2025 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens have selected Mike Green.

[I]

Linebacker Marshall.

[C]

They did it again. The Baltimore Ravens continue to take the best player On Brian Broaddus board they continue. Brian is currently sitting next to our studio and he has both hands raised directly in the air, fists clinched, super bowl ring on his right arm. And he is excited to see Mike Green off the board at pick number 59 to the Baltimore Ravens. Another great selection for Baltimore and Vox. I know you liked Mike Green as a possible first rounder too.

[F]

Ball get off burst Ben. Ass whoop. Set you up. Hey guys, I'm attacking. Outside shoulder, outside shoulder, outside shoulder, inside spin deadly. And he's a guy that's a double digit sack guy. And I always say that if you can get sacks in college, then you can get sacks in the league. And playing for Marshall, you would assume that maybe that he didn't play great tackles like competition all this. But you go to the Senior bowl and you're a little heavier at the Senior bowl when you thought that that weight was an issue and you weigh in at 251 and then you just whoop everybody at the Senior Bowl. I think it was telling when Josh Connerly walked out there and thought it was going to be sweet. Mike Green just ran right down the middle of him. He was on a mission since day one. So Mike Green, it's just not fair that the Ravens do this every single year. Like it's a trend at this point. But the rich keep getting richer in that aspect and I think he's a day one ready to pass rush guy. Maybe not a day one every round. I mean maybe they're going to try, try to fill them out a little more and maybe they're going to work on some more of that run game stuff. But as a pass rusher, they're going to put him on the board right now and let him fly.

[C]

I'm glad you brought up that rep from the Senior bowl against Josh Connerly. Me and Tommy were sitting halfway up the stands right on that side of the one on one drills. You and I were in full conversation. I don't know if you remember this as vividly as I do. Full conversation as these one on ones are happening. We're kind of talking about whatever had just happened or whatever we were looking at at the moment. We both stopped in our tracks when Mike Green had that rep and we both went, whoa. I mean it stopped everybody. It was audible, the silence that was there in Mobile when he made that, that move on Connerly. He's a good player overall edge rusher as the Broncos pick here at 6.

[E]

Some more colorful language there too for us.

[F]

The Denver Broncos select RJ Harvey, running.

[C]

Back, UCF we have to take a break here a little bit early because we have a hard out going into Rangers baseball in about 12 minutes. Let's talk about RJ Harvey on the stream side of things. Dallas Cowboys.com we can also hear a lot on the on the Odyssey app as well. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com RJ Harvey maybe a little early, but a really good running back.

[H]

Surprised he went above well, maybe not entirely. This is a guy that understandably he has the explosiveness. He's a little old. He's one of the older backs in the class. But Caleb Johnson's still on the board, correct?

[C]

He is, yes.

[H]

Caleb Johnson, RJ Harvey over Caleb Johnson. Dylan Sampson still on the board, correct. This is interesting, but I don't hate it. It's just interesting to me.

[F]

Hard runner, ass, whooper Again, there's a common theme with my language here, but tough runner, I mean he was hurt guy for a little bit but he bounced right back off that injury and catches the ball well, runs the ball well. Big play guy. Bursty. I was a big fan of RJ Harvey. I may be the only one in the room that got a second round grade on him, but I'm a huge fan of him and Harvey was the guy that I was looking at. If the Cowboys maybe got wiped with Henderson, Johnson, Hampton, then maybe Hart Harvey will be a guy that they'll look at. But that's not in the cars now.

[C]

Real quickly, Bobby, where did you have Harvey?

[B]

4Th that too old, touched the ball too many times, has been hurt too many times.

[C]

I had him in the fourth as well. Here's the Commanders at 61, three time.

[D]

Super bowl champions, five times world champions.

[C]

Washington Commanders selects Trey Amos, defensive back, Mississippi. It's a Dan Quinn guy.

[H]

This is a Dan Quinn guy for sure. You talk about the length on Tre Amos. He loves those big tall long corners out of New Iberia, Louisiana. It's a, it's a very humble town. I, I covered many kids out of New Iberia.

[C]

We'll be talking about why did you not cover?

[H]

And we'll be talking about one here in a couple, couple years. And Derrick Williams, a safety out of Texas, he's going to be a day two type guy. But back to Tremos, really talented player and you, you see the tackling production and sometimes that scares you with the corner. It encourages me with this corner because he's always on the action despite being on the Outside, he's got the ball skills. He can make things happen. As a true outside corner, this is a name that was tossed around quite a bit whenever we were talking about corners throughout the process, especially at that 44 sweet spot type range. But this probably would have been more of a guy if they had wiped out at a lot of different positions. There were more guys on the board at 44 than I think we ever could have expected. So, you know, Tre Amos wasn't necessarily in the plans, but really talented player, really talented competition. Louisiana Lafayette transfer that has definitely deserved all the hype he's gotten in this process.

[F]

Physical, great length, press man guy. Fantastic versus inside routes. Like if you run slants or digs or anything like that, he just eats that alive. And I think he finds the ball well in the air. Tracking, playing the ball, like, doesn't get lost while the ball's in the air. Tram's a good player. I got him in the second round. He's my last second round corner. I got him after Noel Williams and, and Thomas. But hey, good player there.

[B]

Yeah, I mean the thing with almost there, there's a lot to like about him. Like, you know, he is incredibly talented. Like Nick was just talking about, like when you look at all these skill set and the instincts are good, the one thing that's really tough and the reason why he's in the second round firmly for me is the eyes. But like it's just, it's not great eye discipline at times. He doesn't see things quick enough. I don't feel like. And so that's the one thing that kind of have dinged him a little bit for me. But otherwise, I mean, good player. I think he got down this low because he also. There's just some concerns for teams about injuries.

[C]

Yeah, he's got a little bit of a lingering thing there.

[B]

Yeah, he, he's. He's somebody that was flagged by a few teams.

[C]

Leans on physicality. At times he falls behind the line of scrimmage, but overall I think he does move fluidly. Natural ability to find the ball as well. Moved all over the field. Covered just about every type of receiver all the way from the edge to tight ends. Had some good hands. Length, of course, at the line of scrimmage helped disrupt some timing for wide receivers that he went up against.

[F]

I.

[C]

When it's funny because when we were looking at second round corners, he was one of those names that popped out to me. I have him in the second round so I'm happy to see him off the clock or off the board there at pick number 61 in the second round. But this is a great fit for Dan Quinn and they needed some cornerback help and they go and get some. This is going to be a tough matchup for some of these wide receivers over the next couple years with the Washington Commanders.

[F]

So we're probably going to be in the third round really soon. Man, I'm just looking at my second round grades. I got left over Baron Sorrell for me, Braden Swenson, Kyle Kennard, Xavier Weiss, Andrew Makuba. What about Andrew Makuba? We talk about Andrew Makuba for a second.

[C]

Let's talk about him.

[F]

76 guy, maybe. You know, I understand that we're, you know, looking for a wide receiver. We're begging for running back, but I don't think the Cowboys care about nothing about that. But Andrew Makuba's a 30 visit guy and, you know, maybe Eber Flutes wants to save you to go along with his pass rush. Possibly.

[C]

Maybe so.

[E]

I think I mocked Makuba in my final mock to.

[C]

You had him in the third. I think they have him a little lower just off of conversations. I like Makuba a lot.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

Just three picks remain in the second round of the 2025 NFL Draft. Very soon we will be switching over to Rangers baseball as they're out on the West Coast. Jared Sandler will lead you in the pregame festivities going up with Eric Nadell and Matt Hicks on the call as they take on the San Francisco Giants in the Bay Area. Be sure to stay tuned to that. Of course, if you are listening to the 153 the Fan stream, continue on. We will be continuing through all 257 picks of this year's NFL draft and we've got coverage continuing on the Odyssey app on the fan cam on Dallas Cowboys.com following the end of this segment on the radio side of things alongside Nick Harris, Vach Lombardi, Tommy Yarish with Bobby Belt, I'm Kyle Yeomans leading you through these final three selections of the second round, catching you up on the most recent three selections. The Ravens take Mike Green edge rusher from Marshall, the Broncos take RJ Harvey, running back from ucf and then the Commanders take Tre Ammo corner from Ole Miss. Three interesting names back to back to back there to go into the Bears pick as they are now on the clock. Pick is in for the Bears at pick number 62, Vodch. Some interesting names there with Green, Harvey and almost.

[F]

Yeah, I mean I would definitely say that the later Portion of round two has been drafted better than the first portion. There were some guys in the, in the first half of this round that had, you know, fourth round grades on them. In my personal opinion, I know everybody's going to think differently, but fourth round graves, third round grades. But it's like this last five or six or seven picks, I've really been upset at some of the guys coming off the board because I'm fans of those guys. So, you know, whether it be guys like Jack Besh, Mike Green, like, these are guys that I wanted to be. Cowboys, RJ Harvey, Trey Amos, Tay Rallis. I mean, I mean, we have a guard now, so maybe I'm out on him, but Trey Harris, like, I'm fans of these guys. So now I'm like, all right, now the names that I like are coming off the board a little bit and I just want to see what the Cowboys do with this 70.

[C]

Do you feel like there's any way you're leaning? I mean, it's been hard to kind of peg because they're staying with their stack through the first two rounds. They go interior, offensive line, get the guard and Tyler Booker in round one. Round number two, they go with Donovan Ezraku from the edge, rusher out of Boston College. They're not going with need, they're going with possible best player available. Do you feel like they could lean toward a need now that they've gone best player available over the last two selections? By the way, Shamar Turner, defensive tackle, Texas A and M goes to the Bears at pick 62. That was a possibility in the third round for the Cowboys.

[H]

Yeah, I wouldn't have liked that pick, so.

[F]

Yeah, me neither.

[C]

So that's your fake pin throw.

[H]

That is my fake.

[C]

You want to fake pin the throw.

[F]

Oh, you got you just looking at my board, Kyle. We did this a couple of weeks ago. We were like, all right, well, what name. At what point in the dragon do we run out of names that'll help you? Day one, best goes off the board. Burden went off the board. That hurt our feelings a little bit. Me just looking at wide receivers left over that can give you some day one impact. And I know some Cowboy fans upset right now that we opted to go guard and wide receiver as opposed to pass rusher here. But Royals, AO Manor, Savion Williams, they may be wide receivers that you would like. And if I had to pick, pick, like, where to go right now, it would have to be wide. If. If we're leaning knee, there would have to be wide receiver because I'm looking at corner. I think corner. Got a lot more guys left. Dyson, Porter, Strong, Parish, Williams, Thomas, Riley Hussey. I like all these guys, even running back. I thought that the run on. On running back would have killed us by now. There's some running backs that I like that have come off the board, but still. Caleb Johnson, Sampson, Gidden, Smith, Crosby, Merritt, James, Blue, Hunter, Martinez, Tutin, ETN Allen, Neal Mullins. There's dudes at running back.

[C]

Here's the chief selection. At pick number 63 in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Omar Norman Lott, defensive tackle, Tennessee. Is this the run on defensive tackle that Dallas could not benefit from and actually be hurt by?

[F]

Hey, Turner and Norman Lott, they're, they're more of the upfield bursty pass, rushy. Three, three techy dudes. I don't think the Cowboys are looking that direction. You know, OSA just got a lot of money. Solomon Thomas is on a two year deal, so I imagine he's going to be around and they're not going to go in that direction. I wouldn't think that you would use a third round pick to bury him in the depth chart amongst three Tech guys. If you want to draft a tackle, you may want someone that's a little heavier, like a one tech guy and this will be a cool time to do it. Josh Farmer, if you like him, he's a one tech guy, kind of heavy. Caldwell from Oregon, he's a, he's a heavier one head guy.

[H]

Farmer met with the Cowboys at the Comb. I just want to throw that in.

[I]

Big Farmer fan. Jackson from Florida.

[C]

Hi, Zach. Wil.

[F]

Sure.

[H]

Kendre Jackson?

[I]

Yeah.

[H]

This early?

[I]

I have him in the fourth. They don't have a fourth round pick. You want to get the run stuffer. Does he make it to the fifth?

[H]

I think he, I, I don't, I don't have him as drafted.

[C]

Really?

[H]

I don't know. We'll see. He's £464. That's the Keandre.

[I]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Not the 460 pound gap.

[F]

Cam.

[I]

Cam Jackson.

[B]

Okay.

[I]

Cam Jackson.

[D]

Okay.

[I]

You're talking about the.

[H]

I was like, hold on. Really?

[I]

No, not the.

[H]

Yeah, that guy did I missed something here.

[I]

Normal's good though. This guy can be a game record from the defensive tackle position.

[C]

Tell me about him a little bit, Zach.

[I]

He understands leverage and pad level. I mean the great, great first step. Strong anchor to push the pocket. Does a good job at shifting his body weight to fight off blocks in the run game. Now he can get pushed back by stronger guards like Tyler Book. Booker definitely is a guy that would have knocked him off his spot, but he wins. With speed and fast hands. He can live in the opponent's backfield. Super productive player. He could really be a hidden gem in this class that could end up being a really sneaky, sneaky good pick.

[C]

Back to back defensive tackles the Eagles pick is in, which means the Giants are on the clock to begin the third round. We are now officially through the second round. We'll hear from the Eagles pick. We may have to wait and hear it on the stream side. Remember, if you're listening on 1053, the Fan Rangers baseball's coming up next. Eric Nadell, Matt Hicks, Jared Sandler on the call as they open the series with the San Francisco Giants on the West Coast. Be sure to stay tuned to that if you want to continue the coverage of the 2025 NFL Draft. Continue on Dallas Cowboys.com Continue on the Fan Cam on the Odyssey app as well. There are a bunch of different ways to continue our coverage through the entire second and third rounds. Overall. It's been a fun one. Remember the Cowboys taking Tyler Booker yesterday to start round number one of the NFL Draft. In round number two, they take Donovan Ezraku edge rusher out of Boston College. More to come as we enter round number three of the NFL Draft for Nick Harris, Fotch Lombardi, Tommy Yarish, Zach Wolczuk, Brian Brodick and Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. Continue watching on Dallas Cowboys.com and 1053 the Fan.

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[C]

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[I]

Well, you can't get a well groomed.

[E]

Lawn delivered, but you can't get chicken parmesan delivered.

[C]

A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no. A burrito bowl?

[D]

Happily, yes.

[C]

What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. A box of fine wines? Yes, that's happening. Delivery on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well then how about some French fries? Yep. A little escape?

[D]

No.

[E]

A delicious bowl of grapes. Yes, yes, that.

[I]

How about a freshly cut lawn?

[C]

Can't help you there. But barbecued prawns? Order it and it's on its way. Get almost. Almost anything delivered with Uber eats. Order now.

[E]

Alcohol in select markets.

[C]

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[H]

It's like, have you ever seen Interstellar? And he's living in like two different spaces at once.

[C]

It's kind of what it feels like.

[H]

It's like, it's like blurred reality.

[C]

Somebody asked me, like, why, why are you not rotating? And it's because I'm a clock watcher. Yes, that's why. And now I'm hearing myself in a commercial break.

[I]

That's awesome.

[C]

There you go. On time experts, baby. We make it happen. That's what it is, actually. That's a good time to get the read in. There's a read for on time.

[F]

This is about to be the second day you skipped.

[C]

You're exactly right.

[F]

Once the clock start, we move.

[E]

Way to call them out.

[C]

Let me remember when I did this. All right, 25 minutes. With the first pick in the home comfort draft, the Dallas Cowboys select. Select the on time experts. Now the official 8 and plumbing partner of the Dallas Cowboys. Go to Theontimexperts.com to use the only pros that the Dallas Cowboys trust. All right.

[B]

Good stuff, man.

[C]

There we go.

[F]

All right.

[C]

Nick Harris, Fox Lombardi, Tommy R. Zack Wolchek. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Let's get back to business. The Eagles are on the clock here. Final pick in the second round. Where do you think the Eagles could go as another team that you just don't like? Like, whenever they select whoever the Eagles.

[H]

Pick, you're going to hate it because they're, they're a good drafting team, a solid drafting team. Howie Roseman is going to win awards one day for how he has drafted this roster and put it together. And, you know, they, they've certainly done so over the course of the last couple of years. And now this is that type of range where they find those impact guys that, you know, other teams let slip to them. And even though they're picking on the back end of rounds, they're. They're still finding guys. I think they do need secondary help, though. They've lost a lot of pieces in that secondary. They could benefit from adding another one.

[C]

Here is the Eagles selection with Bo Allen.

[D]

I'm Honored to be super bowl champions Philadelphia Eagles tonight.

[C]

Go Birds.

[F]

No.

[D]

With the 64th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Super bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles select. No one cares.

[F]

Andrew Makuba, Texas.

[I]

Oh, come on. Are you kidding me? Andrew Makuba. I had him at 35 on my board. But you probably had him at higher. They got him at 64. I hate this team. I hate you, Howie Roseman. I hate the Eagles. Screw you.

[C]

Nah, he's not that good.

[H]

How do you feel about it?

[F]

Are you crazy?

[I]

I hope he's a bus now.

[C]

Yeah, he's a six round.

[H]

This is such a good pick.

[F]

Tommy, break him down.

[E]

This is an incredible pick.

[F]

19Th on my board.

[H]

Go cook, Tommy.

[D]

No.

[E]

The Eagles are running away with this draft. I mean, Jihad Campbell and now Andrew McCool. This is a ridiculous haul. Howie Roseman can't keep getting away with this. I mean, it is ridiculous. You get a guy in Jihad Campbell who you can place anywhere on the field defensively, he's going to make plays for you. He gets after the passer really well and then you get a ball hawk in your secondary. And Andrew Macuba, that secondary is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, you look at the amount of investment they put into it last year. Now they double down on it this year with Andrew Makuba. They're going to have guys and fresh legs all over the field on the back half in that secondary. And Makuba is just going to be the latest addition there. This is a guy who came to Texas after he said he wanted to be developed a little bit more. Didn't feel like he got everything he needed at Clemson. He comes to Texas and absolutely balls for them this year. Aside from Jade Baron, without a shadow of a doubt the biggest impact piece for them on the defensive side of the ball in the secondary, and now he's reaping the benefits of it. An Austin area guy, 69 tackles on the year, four tackles for loss, five interceptions. Third team All SEC, led the team in interceptions. This is a guy who worked his tail off. High character, personality, kid. He's going to be really good in the NFL, I think, and have a very long career.

[F]

Well, geez, Tom, you sound happy for him for the Eagles.

[C]

I'm sound for Andrew Macuba.

[E]

I'm happy for Andrew Makuba.

[C]

I had him as the 80. I'm not on my board.

[D]

Terrible.

[F]

He's a great.

[C]

Undersized for the position. Not overly physical when making a tank tackle. Missed 13 tackles according to Pro Football Focus his final season. Had a tough time Getting off blocks against power run games.

[H]

Where were all these negatives?

[C]

I wasn't going to kill the guy because I know that. That the. The Cowboys liked him overall, missing all them tackles.

[F]

Andy Small, he's a very.

[I]

Yeah, Zach, we're under.

[H]

I don't want to hear from you.

[F]

Especially lack of length. What's going on with this kid?

[B]

No.

[F]

Why'd he leave Clemson?

[B]

5 years.

[F]

Dedicate yourself to something.

[C]

Now, here's the thing. He's an experienced player. He's got quick reads, instincts in the secondary. He's a good player overall. I just. I hate the Eagles for doing this, as always. And we end the second round with another Eagle selection. Here's the Giants selection at pick number 65. To get us started in the third round. We may have to wait a little bit here. Looks like they've got some.

[F]

Got some. I'm so phony. While I'm podcasting, I was actually posing for pictures. Like I was purposely getting. You know, I was.

[C]

So here's the thing.

[E]

Shout out to the best in the business. James Smith. My guy.

[C]

We call James. We call him.

[I]

Oh, my God.

[C]

He comes in here, of course, right at the time that the Eagles make an incredible selection. So we're all upset initially.

[H]

These photos are going to be like.

[C]

Yeah, thanks to just reacting in the wrong way. Are you posing the way that you probably. Either way, these are some feature.

[H]

There it is.

[C]

I wish we could. Can you take the wide shot?

[E]

This is going on Instagram here.

[C]

There's James. He's taking photos in here. He does this once a draft. He comes and does us a service, takes some photos for us.

[F]

They're always James. Thank you.

[I]

Thank you, James.

[C]

James is a legend. Some of the best photos you've ever seen.

[E]

Absolutely.

[C]

From the Dallas Cowboys come from his camera throughout. So smile for the cameras.

[D]

It's, of course, the.

[C]

That start of the third round. That's hilarious.

[D]

You.

[C]

So this is your first time in here and now you're taking some photos?

[F]

I'm a professional, Kyle.

[E]

You are.

[F]

I am a professional BSer.

[C]

I do want to give you your flowers, by the way. It's been incredible having you on the draft show.

[E]

Absolutely.

[C]

It really has been. And I know every year we rotate so many different talented individuals and we have such a rich history of people that have been on this show previously and left a legacy. You're going to be the next one to do that. And it's not just this year. It's throughout. I really. It's been a lot of fun working with you and it's been a lot of fun to listen to to as well throughout. Here's the selection.

[E]

Superstar Big Dog App 100 agree appreciate.

[D]

Filling our stadiums on game Curious what y' all think.

[C]

With the 65th pick in the 2025.

[D]

NFL Draft, the new York Giants select.

[C]

Darius Alexander, defensive tackle from Toledo.

[H]

I mean this defensive front, they are just loaded.

[E]

Yeah, yeah. Geez.

[H]

They're gonna like how. How about when Leonard Williams comes off the field, do you get to trot out Darius Alexander? I think this is a really good fit for Darius Alexander too, because he's going to have that jump in competition, but he's going to have. He's going to get rotational snaps next year and be able to work himself in. Now he could start at 3 Tech next to Leonard Williams as a 1 Tech. That would be fascinating. And to see how they move that front around, it could really be interesting for New York. But you put him with Brian Burns, Abdul Carter, Kayvon Thibodeau, Leonard Williams, you understand and you, you look at, you look at the Eagles front line, you understand why that was one of the talking points from Brian Schottenheimer last night is like, look around this division. Look at these defensive interiors that we're dealing with. We wanted to go get a guy that can handle that. And so they got Tyler Booker, two Toledo guys picked in the last two years on the first two days. Quinion Mitchell to the Eagles last year. And they both land in the NFC East. So he's a talented player. He was one of my favorites at the Senior bowl in Mobile. Had that jump in competition against better guys in Mobile and he dominated. He was so much fun to watch there.

[E]

He was nuts in Mobile. He was unbelievable. One of the biggest winners of the week. I came out super impressed. This is a guy that, you know, if he had been on the table at 76. I think it's a conversation that the Cowboys are having. It goes back to, you know, they've only got five defensive tackles on the roster right now. This is a guy who is athletic. He's. He can move really well and he's going to be a really good player. But I think this also makes you feel better about the Tyler Booker pick because, Nick, you rattled off all those names, but you left out, I think, the best player that the Giants have in the middle, and that's Dexter Lawrence, one of the best tackles in all of football. I mean, it's. It's just that makes you. That makes you say, okay, this is why you see the vision now behind why Brian Schottenheimer is wanting to build up the interior of this offensive line. Obviously they're not predicting the future and seeing Darius Alexander get to the Giants, but nonetheless you've got Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis in Philadelphia to deal with. So it's a lot on the plate of for the Cowboys and they've got to make sure that they're ready if they want to compete in this division.

[C]

Ashton Gelat goes to the Kansas City Chiefs in the second pick of the third round. Now moving into third round action. Things are going to start picking up even more so as we continue on. Now, did anybody have the edge rusher from Louisville going this early on?

[F]

Big effort guy. I didn't really see a bunch of pass rush moves in him. He lines up in B guy sometimes, sometimes on the edge. I think he's really good in rundown, has room to grow as a pass rusher. I think he's a hot motor player, but besides, I didn't see a whole bunch of technique and nuance to him. But he works hard as hell and I think he's kind of strong.

[C]

He's a Gelati, by the way.

[H]

The motor is what stands out for me too. And if you watch his film, you see the motor pop up. And when you factor in that he's got a CrossFit background, he's been doing CrossFit for most of his entire life. And then that his brother is an MMA fighter, you see why this motor translates to him as a, as a pass rusher. I mean, he's, he's violent and he's, he's got that type of fighting, aggress, aggressiveness. It leads to penalties and he's not the cleanest when it comes to tech technique, but he is a fun guy. He's someone that like talking to some people, you know, they're. Some people love him or some people hate him. It just depends on how much you feel like you can work with him. I personally had him in the fourth round, which I don't feel like is bad. Fourth round's a good player.

[C]

I had him as my 100 player in my stack.

[H]

Yeah, I don't feel like that's off. I really don't.

[B]

Yeah, he reminded me of Bradley and I when he was coming out of Utah and, and I obviously didn't hit the way, but I really liked Bradley and I when he was coming out as, as kind of a, you know, dark horse type of edge rusher. And I think, look, he gets a lot of credit for, I think Maximizing just about everything that he's got. And so I, I was really impressed with him and his makeup and everything else when I talked to him a couple different times at exo. I think that he's a right mindset kind of guy. But I also think, you know, we're talking about where should he have gone? Is this early? This is, I think just talking around. This was roughly where he was projected to go is the third round.

[C]

Now we are 10 selections away from the Cowboys at pick number 76 at the pick is in for Cleveland at 67. Let me just bring this up. We have not heard shoulder Sanders off the clock and we were in the third round of the draft. I mean this is the fall of the draft. It has happened before. It has happened plenty of times. But Sanders, is it starting to become more than just the X's and O's for Sanders or is it something that teams just can't get over the possible circus media wise that it would bring to the table?

[H]

I honestly don't have an answer for you, Kyle. And I think he's a talent that's worth taking a chance on. And at this point we're talking about chance at least as a backup. And there's got to be a team out there that's, that's feeding for one. I'm just surprised that it hasn't. I'm surprised it hasn't come yet. I said yesterday I thought he'd go in the top 15 and here we are.

[C]

So yeah, I had a second round grade on him, so when he fell out of the first, I wasn't necessarily surprised. But even then I thought a team would maybe go and grab him at the end of the first round, try and maybe go up and get that fifth year option. But as soon as he fell out of the first, I thought sure enough it would happen early in the second. We haven't seen it. Bobby, have you heard anything specific?

[B]

So just asking around the last couple days about him, especially today, I think the general thought that you get of like, okay, why is it that he didn't go in the first? Why is it he could continue to slide? The general thought was along the lines of he still needs work and he has not in these meetings or in, in his public disposition or whatever else, he has not shown that he believes he needs work. And so it's one of those things, I think for a lot of these teams where they feel like we will put in the work with you if we think that you can tap into this potential. But if you don't think that you're in need of this sort of stuff. If you, if you think that you're pretty much set and that you are, hey, I don't need a lot of tweaking, I don't need a lot of fixing, then teams are going to say, all right, well, then you're probably not ever going to reach that potential if you're not willing to. If you're not even willing to recognize where you're at as a player.

[C]

Here's the Brown selection. Pick number 67. NFL Draft. The Cleveland Brown select. Harold Fannin, Jr. Tight end, Bowling Green. Harold Fannin, Jr, one of the top tight ends remaining in this NFL Draft. Some 30, thought to be maybe a early day two pick. He goes middle of day two and possibly the most productive tight end in the history of college football.

[H]

He is, you look at the numbers. 112 receptions for 1,555 yards last year. That is the most at both of those categories in FBS history at the tight end position. I just wonder how the NFL game translates to his play. Like, how is that going to work? And that's going to be fascinating to follow, but one of my favorite players in the draft, honestly, it's just. Cleveland's going to have some toying around to do with figuring out his role, but it's going to be fun regardless.

[F]

Yeah, teams, you know, try to, they'll. They'll try to bully him a little bit, they'll try to push him around, but he, he. He's very vertical. He finds the ball in the air, racks up a bunch of yards. And I mean, he plays for bowling green, so nine times out of 10, he's the only dude on the field that's, that's getting drafted. He's against real competition. He'll still make some big plays versus an entire defense. Defense. But Nick makes a. Makes a great point. Like, there's not a lot of nuance to his game. It's a lot of running past you and jumping over you with, you know, with Fannin's game there. But it's a fun player to get in the third. You know, I have a third round on him, a high third on him, and I had him better than, you know, some of these other guys, you know, Taylor and Ferguson or whatever. But I think Fannin would be cool just as long as he's not tasked to be bonafide tight end one. Like if he could be a cool vertical 12 personnel guy that gets to do fun things and not get most of the Attention. I think fan will be all right.

[C]

Here's the Raiders pick at pick number 68.

[D]

NFL fans, do you agree? I am thrilled to get the privilege to welcome another young man into the silver and black. I believe he has a commitment to excellence and we are thrilled to get with the 68th pick and the 202025 NFL Draft. The Las Vegas Raiders select Darien Porter, Defensive back, Ohio, Iowa State.

[B]

I am feeling.

[C]

You thought he may maybe.

[B]

I mean, Raiders. Raiders were one of the teams that.

[H]

They need corner so bad.

[B]

They did, but I mean, corner stretches. I mean, how long do they think Shador is going to sit there? I'm just. I am stunned that he's. Yeah, I knew it was possible he could get out of the first and even pushed down in the second some. I did not think he'd be sitting here in the third round and getting passed over by teams that have been connected to him at this point.

[H]

I think it's legitimate to at least throw the proposition out there. I mean, not at 76, but if he's there for you at 49 or whatever it is tomorrow, I mean, honestly.

[B]

This is where things hit.

[H]

Yeah.

[B]

And I don't know that Dallas ever agreed with this, but there was. The Athletic wrote a piece that said when Malik Willis started falling a few years ago and he had gotten all the way to the third round, when people were talking about him as a first, that they thought the next target shot in the third round was going to be Dallas, that Dallas would just say the values too good. We're going to take him here. And then he got picked ahead of them by Tennessee. And so I mean, could it be a similar situation as to with Willis, Maybe not in the third like you said, but I mean, I can't imagine he falls to the fifth, but I didn't imagine he'd fall here if they had.

[H]

If they had addressed the needs in first two rounds. Maybe we have a more.

[C]

I was just about to say that.

[H]

Yeah, maybe it's a more because who.

[C]

Is the number one player on your big board or how far down is Sanders on your big.

[H]

Sanders is my number one left.

[C]

See? And he's my number one as well. Anybody there?

[F]

Revel. And yeah. Is reveling Caleb Johnson and Sanders. Yep. Okay. So yeah.

[C]

And I've got Rebels next. I've got Jalen Royals there too. Who falling into the third. That could be something interesting as well. We're going to hear the pick on the other side of the break. We've got more to come. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 1053 the fantasy and Dallas Cowboys dot com.

[D]

We good?

[C]

Yep. Yeah, we're good.

[F]

Okay, let me ask y' all something.

[C]

I usually try and wait for the queue.

[F]

Let me ask y' all something cool.

[H]

I like something cool.

[F]

So the New England Patriots drafted Joe Milton in the sixth round.

[C]

Yeah, they did.

[F]

That character played a preseason and one regular season game and they went like they got a fifth round value from a sixth round pick. What if the Cowboys draft Sanders and he plays in preseason and he just gets involved in one game at the end of the season and he does. Well, let's just say that it works out and Sanders looks like somebody. Do you think that. Of course it's not going to happen because you know the Cowboys have knees. But how cool would it be to draft Shador and he is as good as people thought that he was. Like media people thought that he was. And you could actually get real picks back from a second or first.

[B]

There's one risk there. You went and got Lance and the whole thought with Lance was, hey, and if it doesn't work out, somebody will probably pay up for. For the. The question and. And the thought. And it didn't. And you ended up just losing the pick.

[C]

Here's a significant pick. Kyle Williams, Washington State off the board. He goes 69th overall. Very nice fit for the New England Patriots. He is now off the board from wazoo.

[H]

Kind of duplicate of Jalen Paul.

[C]

Ah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

[H]

I wonder how they. They toy with both those weapons and when Stefan Diggs gets healthy. But hey, man, they went and got protection for Drake May and now they have weapons for Drake May, this and Mike Vrabel, Trayvon Henderson, I mean this is. Patriots are coming up. Let me tell you this. This offense all of a sudden is looking pretty nice and they're young. I like Kyle Williams. I don't think I like him as much as some others here on the board, but I think he's a good slot weapon. I think. Think Vauch was the biggest Kyle Williams guy at this table.

[F]

I got a full on him.

[H]

You do have a four.

[I]

Okay.

[H]

Who was, who was the big Kyle Williams? Was it.

[C]

Was it Brian, I think brought us. Yep. And he's raising his hand out of the hallway.

[I]

Brought us.

[C]

Really liked Kyle Williams a lot and I know they did too. I think they, they valued some of the explosion. They valued the.

[B]

The four.

[C]

4:40 with a good split.

[F]

I know some media guys had him like, like Wide receiver, too. And I was like, man, y'. All.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know about that one.

[F]

Y' all ain't got feeling the rest of us good.

[C]

Either that or I don't know, or maybe he'll turn out and we're all wrong about it and, and give him the, the flowers where the flowers may be.

[F]

Well, that'll never happen, Kai. We can't be wrong.

[C]

Yeah, that's true. We can't be wrong. Here's the lion selection here at 70. You want to make your point real quick?

[H]

No, no, no, I'll let, I'll come come back with it.

[C]

Okay.

[G]

Arnold.

[C]

You know, one year ago on this weekend, I cried because I thought I.

[F]

Was going to be a Packer. But the Kings came and saved me.

[D]

Detroit, baby. One prime.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Pipe down, pipe down, pipe down.

[F]

The Jacksonville Jaguars have traded the 70th.

[D]

Pick to the Detroit Lions.

[F]

Let's see who my future teammate will be. With the 70th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Detroit LI select.

[C]

Isaac S. Wide receiver, Arkansas 1.

[D]

Pr.

[C]

Isaac, can we talk?

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

We can talk.

[H]

Yeah. This is, this is probably the most baffling pick yet in the entire draft.

[F]

It's fascinating.

[H]

I have had a sixth round grade on this player. He was my last sixth round grade.

[B]

Yeah, didn't watch him. That, that's, this is the first guy so far that I didn't watch.

[H]

He's a slot weapon. And, you know, I, I understood the intrigue as like a day three flyer. I gotta take these off. But I, I don't, I don't understand trading up to go get him here in this. He's a Division 2 transfer out of Hillsdale College. Athletic, shorthanded inline receiver. But he never really had the production. I mean, it was. The speed is there, the size is there. And he was one of those that tested like a freak in the process. And everyone just kind of looked around and was like, hey, who's this guy that's got the Elon Musk funny name? And they, they. He exploded on draft boards. If he hadn't tested as well as he did in the process, he would have gone undrafted easily, because it was. There was not enough teams that knew about this guy. I mean, they knew about him. But in a draft pick, since him getting his name called on day two, I'd be shocked if there's a name that gets called today that is more baffling.

[B]

So you're saying Tesla exploded?

[C]

It's pretty good. Now, at pick number 70, did you happen to see the compensation that Detroit gave up to get up there?

[E]

Did I. Three third round picks.

[C]

One this year and two next year. They did flip some picks, but they were not thirds.

[H]

What are we doing?

[C]

They, they.

[H]

What's your line worked up?

[F]

Teams suck at this, man. Teams ain't good at this stuff, man. They have no clue what they doing.

[H]

Hey, maybe, maybe we're the ones with egg on our face in the end, but hey, is this them preparing to get rid of Jameson Williams?

[B]

Maybe.

[C]

I know it's, you know.

[B]

Do you think you're getting the third for Jameson Williams? And so you're like, I can give some of these up. Yeah.

[H]

So it really comes down to two twos or two threes. I mean, that's. Yeah.

[C]

All right, so the Saints are on the clock. Their pick is in at 71. It's Saints followed by Bills, Jets, Broncos, 49ers, and then our Dallas Cowboys are back on the clock at the 76th overall pick. Let's get some. Let's start talking here as this. It looks like the war room conversation is starting to heat up a little bit. Where do you think Dallas could be leaning at this point? I mean, there are still some names available, but it could be anybody's best guess.

[B]

I think Stephen is leaning into the telephone and hoping some. Someone calls really trade. That's what I think.

[C]

Because they want to pick up the fourth.

[B]

Yeah, I think they just, they, they recognize the question we were talking about after, you know, their first two picks, which is they still got three really significant areas where you'd like to address and you don't want to have one pick for the next 80. Yeah, and I think that that's something that they, they'd like to pick up another one here. But if they don't, if they can't move, then, I mean, we've been talking about Siobhan Revel. He's there. And then, I mean, that makes the.

[H]

Most sense based on how much hype he got at 44.

[B]

Yeah, it does.

[F]

What about running backs?

[B]

Who do they too? I think Tootin is the guy that we'd be looking at here.

[E]

Caleb Johnson is still over. Caleb Johnson too. I would take Johnson.

[B]

I think they like. I think Tootin would be the guy they like.

[F]

What the hell is going on with Caleb Johnson then?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, they, they really could use like.

[C]

I mean, they need explosion. I mean, I think Caleb Johnson can do that, but I think Tutin gives you that passing game element a little bit more.

[H]

So.

[F]

See, I would assume they Want to thump and whoop people.

[C]

Yeah. Maybe because of the way that they drafted last night.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, you know, listening to Coach Adams and, you know, Booker talk about like, hey, man, we want to move the line of scrimmage. We want to run duo. Right? Like, if we running duo, we thumping folk, not running from them necessarily. Now, two new does run with a great deal of gravity. He does run hard to be fast guy.

[C]

He's a little bit smaller though, than Caleb Johnson, 6 foot 1.

[F]

But Caleb, like, Caleb Johnson's job, he has a black belt in thumping people, so I'd imagine that he would be the guy. But.

[B]

Yeah, but I mean, aren't you doubling down on thumping with Javante Williams and Caleb Johnson? But like, you need juice in that room. You've gone without real juice in the running back room for a few years now.

[F]

Honestly, I don't even want. I don't even want. Well, we in the building. I don't want to say that about it, but yeah, sure, Javante will have. Yeah, I like Javante, Will Williams. It's cool. But I'm taking Caleb John and let me ask y' all this. Do you think it's more likely that we'll just double, double up on running back later as opposed to just trying to take a bell cow type guy now? Like, is that in the cards? Cause I got a ton of running backs that just sitting down here just, just, just waiting to be picked.

[E]

It wouldn't shock me just because of how much they've talked about how much they like the depth at running back in this class. If they weren't, if they went like five and seven, fifth and seventh round, that, that wouldn't shock me.

[F]

If, if they traded for a running back and paired him with one of these fifth round guys like Taj Brooks or some Kyle Manon guy, then sure, that'll make a little bit of sense. But we don't have a running back on the roster right now that I feel really good about. I would hope that they take somebody that they like pretty early. I like Tutin, you know, I just, you know, fumbles is the only really thing that, that bothers me about him. And I don't, I don't think we want to come in this thing, turn the ball over like that.

[C]

Here's the Saints at 71, 20, 25 NFL Draft.

[F]

The new Orleans Saints select Vernon Broughton.

[C]

Defensive end, Texas. Yeah.

[E]

Wow.

[H]

Defensive end.

[C]

Okay, they. He said defensive end as a tackle and I mean 6, 5, 3, 11. I do know this is a guy that was brought up in their draft meetings last week as a guy that maybe could be there in the third round. I don't know how interested they were specifically. Bobby, you may know a little bit more.

[B]

I mean, I know that Broughton was somebody that was on the radar. I didn't have anything that had, like, ping that was like, oh, my gosh, this is somebody to really watch out for.

[C]

But we haven't really talked a lot about him. We talked more about Alfred Collins. When it came to the defensive tackles out of Texas, who's watched Vernon Broughton and what he brought to the table, no pun intended.

[F]

Yeah, I got him in my sixth and seventh round. It's my bad. Tommy, go ahead.

[E]

No, no, you're totally fine. This is. This is one that I'm a little surprised by. I think this is a round or too high for him, but that's just my personal opinion. Yeah, it was Collins that was the guy at Texas and Bronze, always kind of played in that rotational role. And now this year was when he and Collins were kind of destined to step up and. And take over as the starters with devondre Sweat, Byron Murphy exiting the room, and even before that, guys like Keandre Coburn and Mauro Ojimo came before them. So this was Broughton's year, and he didn't have a bad year, but he certainly didn't flash like. Like you wish that he would have after so many years sitting in the waiting room at the defensive tackle position for Texas. And so it's a. We'll get the Bills pick.

[C]

I know how y' all party in Green Bay. Y' all doing it right.

[F]

Y' all doing it right. With the 72nd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select Landon Jackson, defensive end, Arkansas.

[C]

Arkansas landed Jackson edge rusher from Arkansas, long lengthy possibility out of Texarkana, Pleasant Grove. I got to call a couple of games for him in high school as well. I mean, he's. He's a very high character. Guy ended up having some production later in his career.

[F]

You know, great size, plays hard, great effort. He had a game last year versus Alabama. We got like three set. He beat the hell out of Alabama, but I haven't seen a game like that since. Sense from him, you know, So I, you know, I wanted to see him do that, like, a lot more. But, you know, scout say that if you could do it one time, you could do it, you know, all the time. I just didn't see him do it all the time. So they kind of dropped him down my board A little bit. But when he was on, I don't know if he was beating hell out of Tyler Booker that year. I don't know. I would have to, I would have to look at it. But just flying off the ball, high effort, strong as hell, powerful hands. But he just didn't put it all together in terms of like, technique guy, good effort and great size.

[C]

Okay, so just because the Cowboys are now three selections away from being on the clock, let's step aside and continue our Coverage of the 2023 NFL Draft on 153The Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com all right, here's the jets selection at pick number 73. The Broncos are on the clock at 74. And then it's the 49ers at 75. Before the Cowboys pick, here's the jets.

[F]

Shout out to Chad Pennington and Anthony Beck, the four first round picks we had in 2000.

[D]

And also we got a free 99. We got a third round pick for.

[F]

Laverneus Cole from Florida State. With that being said, with the 73rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the New York jets select Azaria Thomas, DB.

[C]

Florida state representatives Zaria Thomas, of course, Wanye Thomas, current Cowboy in the war, in the draft party. There he is right there having the conversation.

[D]

That's awesome.

[E]

That's so awesome.

[C]

Really, really cool. Florida State corner. I know we all liked him quite a bit.

[H]

Yeah, I had a second round grade on him. Surprised he slipped this far. One of the younger defensive backs in this class, Cowboys defensive backs coach David Overstreet, attended his pro day. Obviously the brother of Wanye. Somebody else take it.

[C]

I'm getting a, I'm getting, getting a little conversation started.

[E]

No, this was a guy who, who on a very, very bad Florida State defense this year was one of the lone bright spots. Long arms, good frame, fluid hips, allow for good change of direction and coverage. I think he closes really well, makes up some ground on comebacks and crossing routes. He's really active and trying to break up passes. Does a good job of it. Sometimes gets a little bit too handsy with receivers down the field. I think that's something he needs to sharpen up. But overall there's a lot to like with this guy.

[B]

Yeah, I think a lot of the, the flaws that exist with him, whether it be in his pedal or at times of his hand usage or different things like that, I think a lot of that is correctable. Things that are more attributed to. He's a young corner and it's stuff that I think I would, I would have been willing to take this guy in the second round if I was a team that needed a corner and if I trusted my, you know, secondary coaches to say, hey, I think you can bring out the best in this guy. But he also. So no surprise. Just from what we know with Wanye Thomas and his background, he gets massively high marks for character and leadership and culture as well from Florida State.

[C]

Coaches pick is in for Denver San Francisco now on the clock at 75. Let's just run down. I'll run it down when we get back on the fan side of things because we have some picks to catch up with. Looks like a commercial break on the network side. So it looks like we have some time.

[A]

If we could.

[C]

Beamer, could we get up the war room feed and maybe start trying to read some tea leaves here? Because the Cowboys go offense in round one, they go defense in round two. Where could they be thinking here, Bobby, I know trade back is still very much so on the table if they want.

[B]

Yeah, Steven looks like he's looking at that card their trade chart. But I mean it's not super active in there right now in terms of working the phones. It doesn't look like. But. But yeah, I think trade back's a possibility here. I also think, you know, you're probably looking at, like we mentioned earlier, Ravel still there and you've got, you've also got Tootin the running back. I think that those are two that make a lot of sense.

[E]

I think cornerback is the bigger need. So if Revel doesn't go here at 74 to the Broncos or 75 to the Niners, I think you're looking at Savon Revel being the Cowboys pick here.

[C]

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[C]

All right, the pick is in on pick number 74. It is the third round of the 2025 NFL Draft as we get the last five selections that have been announced. Starting at pick number 69, the Patriots take wide receiver out of Washington State, Kyle Williams. At pick 70. The Lions take Isaac Tesla, wide receiver from Arkansas. The taint the or. The Saints take Vernon Broughton, defensive tackle out of Texas. Keep reading, Bills. Landon Jackson, edge rusher from Arkansas, pick number 72. And 73. The jets take Azaria Thomas, corner from Florida State. And then the Broncos selection will be announced momentarily.

[H]

Where did Vernon Brunton?

[C]

He went to the Saints out of New Orleans. Defensive tackle out of Texas is where he ended up going.

[F]

That's crazy.

[C]

Yeah, I'm never going to live that one down. All right, the 49ers are next. They are on the clock. And then it's the Dallas Cowboys at pick number 76. Taking a look at the war room, Nick. Anything that sticks out at the moment? Moment, yeah.

[H]

They're calm, which makes me think that this. I think they might just be going through the, you know, logistics of. Of a potential pick. Here they are. They do seem to be debating a bit. And there's Will picked up the phone.

[E]

They're making a pick.

[H]

They are making a pick here.

[C]

So they are on the clock at the moment. So an opportunity there to look in and they are making a selection. You said corner there, Tommy. Do you feel like that's still the direction you want to leave?

[E]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe San Francisco here at 7:75 could ruin things with Revel, but if. If not, I think. I think that just makes the most sense. You look at the outside alongside Trayvon Diggs, not sure what when you're getting him back from injury, but then again, with Revel 2, you're. You're not sure when you're getting him either with. With his injury coming out of East Carolina. So you. You'd Kind of be making a risk a little bit if, if that is the pick. But I think he's a risk worth taking just because he's come down this far. He's probably one of the top guys on their board.

[I]

He's too good to pass up here. I mean I've got him as my 18th best player. I think he could have been the best corner in the draft. It wasn't for the injury.

[C]

I got a good report on the injury.

[H]

Yeah.

[I]

Yeah. Well, their doctor did the surgery.

[H]

Dr. Cooper flu.

[C]

There he is. Defensive player, second straight defensive player. Continue on Zach.

[I]

Yeah, I mean to me this is. I'd have considered him at 44. I probably would have taken him there if I went BPA on my stack. I loved what they did with his Araku. But to revels too good value here to pass up.

[C]

Here's the Broncos selection at 74 to see. Let's just make sure he doesn't fly off the board here at 74. 75.

[F]

Hey hey Broncos country. How about. How about Super Bowl 32 against the Packers?

[C]

Oh my. I mean as a Denver, you know I love you.

[F]

And with that said, with the 74th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select Pat Bryant, wide receiver.

[I]

I love Pat Bryant.

[C]

Tell us about him while we wait on this. This Cowboys selection.

[I]

I did have a four on him but I don't mind him going here at all. I thought Pat Bryant was one of the more underrated wide receivers in this class. To from Illinois. 62204, fourth year senior team captain, three year starter. He was all Big Ten first team. Tied for the Big Ten lead and receiving touchdowns with 10 quick feet in and out of his breaks. Tough runner after the catch with a mean stiff arm. He does not have elite top end speed but he's got acceleration to pull away from the secondary. Straight line runner, reliable target, strong hands, has a clutch factor to his game. This guy was the only player in the country that had three game winning touchdowns in the final two minutes of overtime or during regulation. He's a stud. I think this is a really, really good pick for San Francisco, which pains me to say. Or for Denver.

[C]

I was about to say it was for the Denver Broncos. San Fran now though and of course we we can see from the Cowboys war room that the pick is in for the the Cowboys as well. Now we get to see the coaching staff. This is.

[I]

Do we have a DB coach?

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[E]

That's David Overstreet.

[I]

Yeah, there we go. That's got to Be. It's got to be Revel. It's got to be.

[C]

I think there's too many tea leaves to read their vacha.

[D]

If.

[C]

If that's the case, here's the 49ers and then we'll officially hear the Cowboys selection very shortly.

[F]

How's it going?

[D]

How's it going?

[F]

25 years since I've been here. Let's go.

[C]

Bay area.

[F]

With the 75th pick in the 2025 draft, San Francisco 49ers select Nick Martin, Oklahoma State.

[E]

Great pick.

[H]

That's such a Niners pick.

[E]

Great pick.

[H]

That's such a Niners pick.

[E]

Great pick.

[F]

That's a little high for me, man.

[E]

That's very high. But I love Nick Martin.

[F]

I got Nick Martin down the extras, man. I think he gets lost a lot. I don't think he know what the hell going on. I think he gets confused. But he's very athletic. He's very athletic and he loves to tackle people. But boy, if you can misdirect him to death, it will happen for you. Tommy, you like him a little more than me, man. Say something nice about it.

[E]

I love Nick Martin. This guy just flies around the football field you're watching. You know, you'll be able to watch some of his clips of him. If you turn on the film and he's just flying through gaps in the line of scrimmage to stop on the run, get after the quarterback. Yeah, he's undersized. Yeah, he's got the injury history behind him, but he just flies around and hits people. And he goes to a really friendly linebacker room in San Francisco where you can learn from a guy like Fred Warner and kind of come in maybe as a situational pass rushing guy. Good knack for the ball. I remember watching him. The game that I fell in love with him was the Big 12 championship game a couple of years ago against Texas. And so he flew around there, sat in the middle of the field, picked off Quinn Ewers. So good athlete, high upside if he gets healthy. I really like the upside for Nick Martin as the Cowboys pick is in Pleasant Grove.

[C]

Cowboys pick is in everybody.

[H]

Another Pleasant Grove.

[C]

Yep. Feeling pretty good about Revel here as the possibility if it is Revel.

[F]

That's a first round. Great. So that's. So that's.

[C]

That's Nick.

[F]

Is he a first regret on your board?

[H]

He's a third for me. I don't think I like him as much as you guys do.

[F]

So that's still.

[H]

I think he's going to be. I think he could be a good player. Yeah, I think there's a lot of risk here.

[C]

Here's the selection, Travis Frederick, going to the podium to announce it at 76. What a beautiful night out here in Green Bay, huh?

[E]

All right.

[D]

With the 76th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Savon Rebel, Jr. Defensive back from East Carolina.

[C]

This may have been one of the top corners in this NFL draft. Tore the ACL early in the season, clearing. Looking forward to having him back on the field early. Your cornerback room just got a ton of help and a ton of value at pick 76.

[F]

Size, length, can run, plays the ball in the air, gets picks, ball skills, great man coverage, physical press coverage guy, he's a first round grade for a lot of people. I got him as a really high second. Just looking at my board, definitely top 15 or so guy. This is slam dunk to get him at this value. 76 overall. Getting a guy that can come in, assuming that he's healthy and we're just going to knock on some wood or some glass or marble, whatever this is. If he. And let's say Diggs is healthy and bland is. That is a hell of a trio. Assuming that all these guys come together and play for you, man, this guy's Teflon. Whether it's zone, whether it's man, smart player, iq, player played at ecu, so you may be worried about competition there, but, man, cut on Michigan film and get back to me, man. Beat the hell out of all those guys, man. This is a slam dunk pick.

[E]

Yeah, this is the guy who kind of fits the mold of what the Cowboys like at corner two, those taller, lengthy guys with those long arms, he's exactly what they're looking for. And the fact that you get him here at 76, when in so many mocks, even some of my own, I've got him going at 44. I've got him in the second round and you're getting him down here. And I think the, the biggest part about all this is the Cowboys Dr. Dan Cooper performed his surgery. They've got better intel than anybody about the health status of this guy. So if they feel comfortable taking him here at 76, I think that kind of. Nick, you said it was a risky pick, and I would agree given the, the injury history and what ACLs can do to corners. But. But if Dr. Cooper's giving them a report that says, hey, I feel like this guy's going to come in and play really well at a high level for you, like we saw on film at East Carolina, then you got to feel good about where you're Getting him.

[F]

Especially 76 overall is worth the risk though.

[E]

Absolutely. I, I agree 100%.

[I]

I'd taken the risk. At 44. Calvin Watkins has reported that team officials said that he should be good to go by July after his ACL serve training camp. So I mean, that's training camp. I mean he was a two way star and you see that translate with the way he plays, in my opinion.

[H]

I just want to throw one caveat into that. The same doctor, Dr. Dan Cooper did do the surgery on Jonathan Brooks. This is no discredit to Dr. Dan Cooper, but the, the info that they were getting during the draft process that a lot of teams were getting was that he was going to be ready by training camp. He didn't come back till October. So I, that's one thing to factor in. But I, the injury did happen to Ravel in late September last year. It was not a drastic injury. Whenever it happened, it was a clean tail and he was able to, he was able to recover from it. You just hope he's ready in time for camp because he's definitely going to need that time at camp. But honestly, one of the better stories in this class. You talk about character, guys. I think just looking at his story, I think you'll see where the character could be coming from. When he was in high school, he got in a really bad car accident, fractured his skull, fractured his jaw, knocked out a couple of teeth and it was a traumatizing time for him him. And then he also had a season ending, broken collarbone the very next year. No star recruit, he had to go the juco route, fought his way, worked at an Amazon warehouse while doing so, and then ended up getting a scholarship at East Carolina and balled out in the one season that he had at East Carolina and then he had a couple of games this past year before getting hurt. But I the, the reason I am probably not as high on Ravel as the rest of, as the rest of you guys. There's a lot of risk involved here. And I even put in my notes, I was like, he's the most physically gifted DB in this class. But just the one year of starting experience that will increase the need for development. He's already 24. The medicals are going to be huge. But man, you hope he's ready to go medically A and then you hope he's ready for the jump in competition B. If he could pass both of those tests and if you told me he could pass both of those tests. On Wednesday, I probably would have had him as CB3. I mean, he's that talented. Yeah, it's just. There's a lot of risk involved here.

[C]

There is risk and I think if you look at the player and you look at the film, when I was watching him, I saw shades, maybe not the same level of player, but I saw shades of Sauce Gardner and Sauce Gardner played in the American Conference as well as a little bit of a different conference at that point in time as ECU is playing in currently. But when you look at really the, the way that he has, the physicality, the way he steps up in the, the wingspan, the, the way he jams at the line of scrimmage, jump balls and the leverage that he has there, great ball skills, good hips, footwork. He's fluid all the way and he plays downhill. What did Brian Schottenheimer say in the pre draft press conference? I asked him the question, what do you look for in the cornerback position? He said, we want to see length, we want to see athleticism, we want to see fluidity. But not just that. We also want to see a guy that's going to come downhill and tackle, come downhill and be physical. Revel does that. And I think it's something that as long as he's healthy and the risk pays off there, you've got yourself a steal at 76 overall. All right, with all that being said, let's catch you up just a little bit because another pick did fly off the board. It was Princely Umami Ellen, the edge rusher from Ole Miss. I know vo, you had an eye on him early. And then we got to get Brian back in here to hear what he thinks about the Savon Revel pick as well.

[F]

Brian thinks great things just like the rest of us.

[C]

I'm sure he probably does.

[I]

Home run pick.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

I'll say this real quick too. In Revel, we talk about the Cowboys liking their taller, longer arm corners. Matt Eberfluss has liked it too. And you look at this is not a player comp by any means. I'm just looking straight at size and build at Jalen Johnson in Chicago. Six foot 195, 31 and a half inch arms, revels two inches taller, a pound lighter. And his arms are about an inch and so bigger. I can't do math. So I can't move fourth to eighth or half to ace. I'm sorry. Okay.

[H]

That's why I'm a journalism major.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

You know, this is why I'm a Journalism major. So, you know you've got a bigger framed guy there in that. So in revel from a physical standpoint, again, that's not a player comparison. I'm not saying this guy's Jalen Johnson. I'm just talking about strictly from the build.

[I]

Yeah, look, the dude's a freak athletically. It's unbelievable. And the tape is incredible. The play temperament he's with, he doesn't shy away from contact whatsoever. I think he does an excellent job of reading wide receivers and he's able to track, based on their eyes, where the ball's going to go to make a play. Runs well. He's just sticky in coverage. I'm a fan of his. I, I guess the injury stuff, I just see him very differently. Nick, I don't know, maybe you got more background than I do. This is a guy I think you'd consider taking it 12 if it weren't for the injury. That's just the talent that's there with him to get him at 76. I don't know that there's a ton of risk involved in the third round here with the talent.

[H]

I just worry about the injury. And corners, I feel like are the most difficult to come back from a torn ACL or a hip injury. And that's why Benjamin Morrison was a little for me as well. But if it works out and he comes back clean and he comes back 100%, this is going to. This is going to end up looking like a really strong pick. But we got to have the conversation now. We expect them to be done for night two. No running back, no receiver, no defensive tackle. Yeah, boy.

[E]

This has got to be the part where you think about how Jerry Jones was talking about the two substantive trades. You got to feel like one of those trades has got to be for those offensive skill positions. Right. I mean, it almost seems like they, you know, I know that they like Jonathan Mingo a lot. They're trading the fourth round pick for him. But it feels like even still, I think you just need more in that room, maybe a more proven guy. Just because Mingo is still so unproven, he can certainly develop into a guy who is capable of a wide receiver two job, I think. But right now you don't know if that's, if that's something that he's going to be able to step into, especially next season when he hasn't played with Dak Prescott yet. They still have to build that rapport together. And, you know, he hasn't had a long track record of success. Thus far yet in the NFL. So it feels like the, the running back room, I think the running back room, they are more. Oh, what do we got?

[C]

Yeah, well, just. Kim, finish your thought. We'll get to it.

[E]

No, it kind of scared me.

[F]

Cowboys, we're more important. Go ahead.

[E]

No, no, the running back room is, is more I think where, where they're like, you know, I think we, we can wait a little bit longer on this one maybe in towards the, in towards the fifth or sixth rounds just because again, they've raved about how deep it is. They added two guys there in the off season. But wide receiver is the one where, you know, I don't necessarily think Paris Campbell is a guy who's going to vie for that wide receiver two spot. Mingo is. But do they really feel confident in giving him that big of a role when there's still so many question marks about how he can produce at this level?

[C]

And we're going to catch you up on the, on the other side of things with these most recent picks. If you're watching on X and YouTube, our stream will go down momentarily. You can continue on Dallas Cowboys.com and on the Fan Cam on the 153. The Fan Stream online as well. All right. Since the Cowboys took Siobhan Ravel Jr. East Carolina Corner, we're going to hear from him shortly. We're also going to get the secret audio from the war room shortly. The Panthers took Princely Umami Ellen Ed Rusher from Ole miss. He goes 77th overall at 78. Oregon Edge. Jordan Birch goes to the Arizona Cardinals. The Houston Texans select Jalen Noel, wide receiver from Iowa State. I want to talk about that one in a moment. Another Cyclone receiver goes there. And then the Colts on the clock. Here's Jonathan Taylor to announce pick number.

[F]

Eight defensive back Minnesota.

[C]

Back to the Big Ten.

[H]

That was a player the Cowboys had their eye on coming into the weekend.

[D]

Yep.

[H]

Especially at that nickel spot. But I it's corner addressed now or I think you could double back. You definitely.

[D]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind.

[I]

I'd love to get a Robert longer beam on day three.

[B]

Talk to me.

[I]

That dude's Jordan Lewis replacement esque right there with the way how scrappy he is. I'm a big fan of his out of Rutgers. We can talk about him more tomorrow maybe in the fifth round. That's right around where I have him. I would not mind double dipping a corner, but you brought up a great point here, Nick. I mean, no wide receiver, no runner, no defensive tackle. And I think Defensive tackle and runner you can address tomorrow. The wide receiver position now is very, very interesting and maybe that is where you're looking at. You brought up a wide receiver in Detroit. That could be an interesting move right there, if that's what they're trying to do.

[F]

I think there's a lot of running backs that you. That you can look at at that'll be solid for you. You know, running backs. One text. I think you're fine there. I think wide receivers. You're running out of time. I think wide receivers is getting. Is getting down to the point to where if you do draft a guy there competing with, you know, Florida on your team or like, you know, Jalen, you know, Jalen Brooks or something like that. If you wanted to get a wire. See, you want that guy to come in and step in and be wide receiver two for you or at least compete for wide receiver, too. I don't. I think we've gotten out of their range at some point. So if it's up to me if the Cowboys are going to make a trade anywhere, I understand that there was a running back in New York that maybe people talking about on the Internet. I don't know. I don't know if I can say his name. But if I were the Cowboys and I were to make a trade, I would like for it to be wide receiver. But me and Nick Harris was talking about something in the back there. Ladies and gentlemen, for y' all watching, what is that? Savion Williams can play running back and wide receiver, which I try.

[I]

I think he is a running back. I don't think he's a wide receiver. I think Savion Williams is a running back. When I watch, he doesn't look like he knows really what's going on when he's playing wide receiver. In my opinion, I don't see a guy that really knows how to run routes. It's just get the ball on his hands and let him make plays. I think he definitely. And I've heard a lot about the cord, Errol Patterson trajectory type stuff. I see it 100%. You could definitely draft Savion Williams and say, you know what? That's going to be our explosive running back and let him develop into that big body as well. I would not mind that at all.

[F]

Just a big six four running back thumping the hell out of. He was.

[C]

Let's go, Bingles at 81, take Dylan Fairchild out of Georgia. I want to go back to Jalen Noel because we've talked a lot about him over these last Couple of months, Zach. I know you said that one hurt whenever his name popped up. Another Iowa State wide out joining his teammate in Higgins in Houston. I mean, they continue to, to stack up on their Iowa State wide receivers there.

[I]

Tough, competitive and quick man. He plays bigger than his size at 5 10, 1 94. He was co captain the past two season, co special teams player of the year in the Big 12. Smart kid. I mean, he's a big factor in jump balls, which is shocking for his size. He's able to go up and get it. Attacks the football in the air. Slot player that can win outside. I loved watching him and Jacob Parish go at it. Jacob Parish, the corner from K State. He's very quarterback friendly as Jalen Nolan. I think the Cowboys had some interest there.

[C]

Let's talk to the newest Dallas Cowboys, Savone Revel Jr. Corner from East Carolina. First off, congratulations. Welcome to Dallas. Can't wait to get you in the building very, very soon. Tell us what the moment was like getting that call from Jerry Jones and the Cowboys organization, man.

[G]

Just. Nobody knows. Like, my whole family is just, it's a Cowboys fan. Everywhere I go, it's a lot of Cowboys fan, a lot of people telling me that, hey, I hope you go to the Cowboys. And it's just crazy because I've been doing my rehab, my training and Dallas, Dallas, Texas. And it's like, and it's crazy. And this is a very exciting moment just for them, just for me to get this opportunity to go out there and prove to the coaches and give them the best ability that I can give them, improve and do this for my family, man. This meant so much to my family. My mom, my dad, my aunties, man, just, it's so exciting right now.

[E]

Hey, Sivan Tomayash. Congratulations, man. Of course, the unfortunate ACL tear back in September. How are you feeling right now, now from a health standpoint and when do you feel like you can be back on the field and ready to go to practice and you know, get to get to be around your new teammates?

[G]

I mean, unfortunately, man, due to like a lot of visits. You mean it really don't matter right now at this moment anymore, man. I just need to get back on, get back to the rehab. Real strong hit, hit the weight room real heavy and get, get to the, get to work. For real, man, how it feels? It's pretty okay right now. Just, just trying to get back to the tempo when I used to be on. It ain't really, it ain't really bad. I feel like I'm I'm up on the road right now, so. It's good, man. I feel like I'll be back by like training camp.

[D]

Nice.

[H]

Yeah, that'd be best case scenario for you. Hey, Savone, Nick Harris here. I want to talk to you about your story. And I'm sure you've learned during the draft process that Brian Schoenheimer, he's looking for guys that love football, that are almost psychotic about football. And your journey is pretty fascinating. Going through the injuries and the accident that you dealt with in high school, to going the juco route, to working jobs to fund being able to be a college athlete. Talk about your passion for the game and why you had to go through all of that to prove your passion.

[G]

I mean, I've been playing football since I was a kid, 4 years old. My dad put us in situations to better ourselves, man. Just doing it for my family and, and putting us in a. In a situation to where we can build and motivate other people. And when I say one of the other people mean like kids, people out there don't have access to a lot of things and just prove them that, hey, every. Every road, your road ain't gonna be perfect, man. Like, I ain't have a perfect road. Hey, and I know regardless, you're gonna, you're gonna deal with, with adversity, regardless, man. Just. Just keep it up to God, man. Cast all your worries and your stress up to God, man. He's gonna do everything, his and his strength to do good things for you, man. Carve a path for you, for greatness.

[H]

And I gotta ask, your game, you're long like Trayvon Diggs. Have you watched Trayvon Diggs?

[G]

Yes.

[H]

Are you excited to work with him? I assume you say what.

[G]

Can you say that one more time?

[H]

You're excited to work with him, I assume, right?

[G]

Oh, of course. I'm ready to work for the team, man. I'm ready to work with the team, man.

[I]

I love it, man. Congratulations. I mean, this is awesome moment for you, but the talent is on full display on tape. And you were a two way star in high school playing both corner and wide receiver. There's times watching you, man, you're running a route better than the wide receiver is. Did that help you when you were making that switch to corner and playing that full time in college?

[G]

I mean, I've been playing corner, playing corner my whole life. My entire life. I mean, I like to be versatile, like just play other positions. That was okay. But like, I know I love to guard the be aggressive and a lot of guard receivers, man, big rest with receivers knocking off the time between them and the quarterback actually putting in one work, you know, and like I said, corn back, man. Like I said, Deion Sanders, my entire life, I watched him my entire life, man. It's just like, okay, that's what I want to be. That's what I want to do. And I know what I'm signing myself up for. I know, I know this is a tough position, and I want. I want to accept the challenges. I want to work for it. I want to pass for what I want.

[C]

What was the. The conversation like with the Cowboys staff and Matt Eberfluss and really, what is their vision that they've told you that they have for you in this defense? And how quickly do you feel like you would fit in?

[G]

Man, it was just, man, from the start when I got there on my visit, man, it was just the energy and he was crazy, man. It was just like I already felt like I was home, you know what I mean? Because I was already there training and doing rehab, and they made it feel more at home. When I met the coaches and the whole staff, player personnel, just communicate with all of them and they made me feel like, okay, this could be a chance, man. And just talking to Jerry Jones, man, and what he was telling me was just. Just motivating me to keep. Just to keep going, you know, I'm on this ACL injury. Injury. Don't. Just don't turn off your light switch, man. Keep it on, keep it going, keep pushing. Every single day. Keep stacking them days, day by day, taking one at a time, 1% every day.

[H]

Hey, Savone, you said you were training during the pre draft process or prehabbing in the pre draft process in Dallas. You got any food spots that you've grown accustomed to? How the Dallas community, you know, I.

[G]

Hey, that's a good question. Because I'm from North Carolina, we don't have a lot of food like Texas. When I was in Texas for about four months, I probably went to every restaurant. I'm not gonna lie to you.

[H]

You gotta stop, right?

[G]

I'm a food person, okay? I'm a food person. I get hungry. When you in Texas, there's nothing you have to worry about. Like, like you want something to eat, you gonna find something you want to eat.

[I]

What's the.

[G]

This a hard question. I say Hutches, Hutchins, you know, the.

[H]

First round, the first round pick yesterday, Tyler Booker, he said the same thing. Y' all might need to Hit a hutchins sometime, huh?

[I]

So Tyler Booker earlier today gave us his hutchins order. Do you have that ready to rack off? Like, do you know what you're getting every time you go in?

[G]

I'm already know what I'm getting.

[I]

What's the order?

[C]

What are you going with?

[G]

I'm getting the ribs. Getting the turkey, about eight slices of turkey. Turkey. So good. Anyway, eight slices of turkey, a whole chicken, macaroni, collard greens, green beans, maybe some banana pudding.

[H]

You can eat for real.

[G]

Maybe if it maybe banana pudding if it ain't too sweet.

[C]

There you go. Awesome stuff. Well, congratulations. We can't wait to get you here in Dallas and see what you have for the rest of this, this Dallas defense. It's going to be an incredible time and you're going to have some incredible barbecue as a part of it, all right?

[G]

Yeah, man. Yes, sir.

[C]

There he goes. Savone Rebel, our brand new Dallas Cowboy. We need to step aside. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 153theFAN and Dallas Cowboys dot com. All right, just to catch things up here, the Bengals, Dylan Fairchild, interior offensive lineman from Georgia titans. Kevin Winston Jr. Safety from Penn State at 82, 83. The Steelers take Caleb Johnson, running back from Iowa.

[E]

Most Steelers running back ever.

[C]

Finally off the board. And now here's the Buccaneers at pick.

[F]

Number 84 with the 84th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft. Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Jacob Parrish, DB, Kansas State.

[I]

And we just had boom, boom, boom. Three of my favorite players in this class going in. Winston Johnson with a Winston Johnson and Parish. Yeah, I mean, Kevin Winston Jr. Man, I, I, he's an Energizer Bunny type player. Dude's an absolute stud. Now, he only had one year of starting experience, but he can play all over the secondary, plays with range, can cover the slot, deep free safety, can play in the box, consistent tackler. I kind of, he reminded me of a bigger version of Earl Thomas. Thomas. The way he flies around the field. I absolutely love him. There's times where he can just be a little over aggressive. He gets caught up field and over pursues a little bit of time, but if the health checks off, man, Kevin Winston Jr. Could end up being one of the best safeties in this class. And then Jacob Parish is just a pest.

[F]

Feisty little dude.

[I]

Oh, my gosh.

[F]

Feisty little dude. You know, size doesn't matter if you're bigger than him. He's going to jump up if you're trying to bully him. He's going to press you if you're trying to run slants or inside routes, he's going to fight for his life on those. Even if you beat him on the step, he's not going to quit. He recovers well. Tackler. He's. He's one of the guys that are like outside corner, but they're small and they're feisty. But he probably played nickel for you. He was, he was one of the guys that I was. I was hoping that'll make it to the Cowboys in the fifth round. It wasn't going to happen. But, but Jacob Parrish, big fan of him and his, and his feistiness. He'll be fantastic enough. Tampa's, Tampa's killing him, man.

[C]

Yeah, they had a really good draft so far. Walking up to the podium, here's The Chiefs at 85, have traded the 85th.

[D]

Pick to the Kansas City Chiefs. With the 85th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select.

[C]

Noel Williams, defensive back, California. Ah, good timing. No Williams, Cal corner is off the board just as Brian Broadus works into the studio. One of his favorite favorites. We'll talk about Noel Williams. You know him. Tommy, give us a little bit of time for Broadus to sit down here.

[E]

Yeah. No, Williams, a guy who is kind of versatile in terms of where he can line up. 6 foot 199 pounds. You can put him in the slot, you can put him on the outside. You got him here returning punts. He can really do it all 4, 5, 40 time with the ball in his hands. He's a playmaker and you know, he has a knack for getting the ball in his hands. Hands at the cornerback position. Like I said, this is a guy we, we've talked about this guy a lot in terms of, you know, potential fits with the Cowboys and maybe he could fill that. Jordan Lewis spot. Seven interceptions last year. Was a consensus all American. Led the FBS interceptions. That was the 80. This is the 80 yard kick return touchdown that he had last season. Also had a 40 yard pick six last year for the Golden Bears. 52 tackles, 15, 15 passes, defenders. This is a guy that you know, you really like as he started two years at Cal. Not the best elite top end speed, but he's kind of sticky in coverage. You see that rep right there? This is a guy that I know Brian was really liking a lot and I know he's still kind of getting plugged in.

[I]

Daron Blandes, man, the ball just kind of seems to find this kid. I love him really? When he's in press, he's got the ability to turn into instant offense when he's on the field, really like the strong punch he's got at the snap. Can use his size to battle hand fights. Does a good job of breaking breaking up slants, disrupting routes. Super competitive and he can get a little feisty. Needs to watch the penalties, but I'm a big, big fan of Noah Williams. I'd have considered him at 76 if Rebel wasn't sold on the board.

[C]

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[C]

Continuing our coverage of Day 2 of the 2025 NFL Draft, here from the Star in Frisco with Nick Harris, Tommy Yaris, Zach Wolchuk, I'm Kyle Yeoman. Sitting back down is Brian Broaddus. We're going to hear from him momentarily about the Cowboys most recent pick, Savone Revel Jr. Corner from East Carolina. At pick number 76. Let's run through the last four selections. The Titans at 82, take Kevin Winston Jr. Safety from Penn State. The Steelers take Caleb Johnson, running back from Iowa. Jacob Parish, corner from Kansas State goes to the Buccaneers at 84 and the Chiefs at 85. Take one of your favorite players, Brian Broadest. Noel Williams, corner from Cal.

[D]

Now we're starting to draft all of this. Now we're Having some fun. Yeah, we're actually. I really love what's going on with all these teams. If you're a fan, if you're listening, your team's getting and you're, you're following along with us. Been sitting out here the last hour and 30 minutes of and these teams are really starting to get in a little bit of a race rhythm with their drafting and I really think there's some players that are going to really come in and help some teams and help him at some key positions. And we talk about with Ravel and what he's going to do with the Dallas Cowboys. This is a first round graded player on my board and actually my number one corner on my board. I know we're kind of circling, I'm circling back on that, but I'm super excited that he is part of this team. I just think he brings so much to this game. His competitive nature, the way he fights for the football, the way he's able to read. I know Zach was talking about his ability to read routes and things like that. This guy is a fiery competitor and he's got athletic ability. He's a fierce tackle. He's got fierce, he's got physical traits. I mean he will make some unreal physical plays. When you watch him play along the goal line like it's back, it's collision at the goal line and he's not getting driven into the, into the end zone. He's making a play right there on the goal line. This kid is super tough. He's going to play every snap like it's his last. He can cover, he can chase. Everything about him is perfect. I know Nick is a little bit worried about the injuries. I have the experience of working with Dr. Cooper when I was here and Dr. Cooper is one of the best in the world when it comes to putting these kids back together. The way this kid works, the way he attacks his off season, the fact that he's been here in Dallas and now he's about to work with Brit Brown out here. This kid will be ready for training camp and you'll be proud about him when he's lining up for you.

[H]

Are you worried about the jumping competition?

[D]

No. Really not. Walter Payton went to school at Jackson State. Jerry Rice went to school at Mississippi Valley.

[C]

That's a good point. Hey, I mean, hey, don't hate on the American athletic.

[D]

No, no, I don't. I mean I watched him against, I watched him against smu, Michigan, App State, you know, App State beat Michigan. You know, I've, I'VE seen that kind of stuff. So, yeah, I'm looking.

[C]

Chargers selection at 86.

[F]

With the 86 pick, 20. 25.

[C]

NFL Draft.

[F]

The Los Angeles Chargers select Jamari Caldwell.

[C]

Detached Oregon.

[F]

There you go.

[D]

They already taken the defensive tackle there, or am I. Am I missing that something?

[I]

I don't believe the chart. They got a Marion Hampton.

[D]

Yeah.

[I]

Okay, who was the other pick that they made in the show?

[E]

Harris.

[I]

Trey Harris.

[D]

Trey Harris. Okay, my bad.

[C]

While we wait on the packers pick at 87, you guys want to hear some secret audio?

[H]

Let's do it.

[C]

How about Savone Revel Jr. Newest Dallas Cowboys selected at 76 in the second round. Savon.

[D]

Hey, man. This is Jerry Jones with the Dallas Cowboys. And we just dropped drafted you.

[C]

Oh, yeah?

[F]

Well, we're glad to hear it.

[D]

And I know you're doing a little.

[C]

Rehabbing, but, boy, the guy said you will work at it, okay? And I know you will, but, man, I'm just proud for you and proud.

[G]

Of you, but, man, this is a blessing, man. I appreciate you coaching, sir. Man, thank you.

[D]

Well, you're a Dallas Cowboy now, and I'm gonna.

[E]

I'm gonna hand you over to coach.

[D]

He wants to talk to you. But this.

[C]

Jerry, congratulations.

[I]

We're proud to have you.

[G]

Thank you.

[C]

Okay, sir.

[I]

Siobhan.

[D]

Coach Schottenheimer.

[F]

How you doing, man?

[G]

I'm well, man. I'm well, man.

[F]

Hey, listen.

[C]

Hey, we are so excited you're part of the family, man.

[I]

We are so excited, man.

[G]

I'm so excited.

[F]

Hey, we know one thing.

[E]

You're gonna come in here, use that.

[C]

Length, that strength, okay?

[E]

Fit the run and make plays on the ball, man.

[I]

We're so, so excited, Brother.

[E]

Congratulations.

[C]

Can you believe you're a Dallas Cowboy?

[F]

Can you believe it?

[G]

I can't believe it, man. It's my dad. This is my dad team his whole life, man.

[C]

Your dad, your dad's team.

[D]

That's right.

[F]

You told me that.

[C]

It's his dad's team. Hey, our defensive coordinator wants a couple guys want to talk to you.

[I]

But, hey, you tell your.

[C]

I'm glad your dad, he's got good.

[F]

Taste in football teams.

[E]

Here's our dc, Matt Iberflus.

[D]

Shabbat.

[G]

What's up, man?

[B]

What's up?

[G]

How you doing?

[F]

Hey, man, what time is it? It's lockdown time.

[G]

Hey, you already know, man.

[C]

It's lockdown time.

[E]

You good?

[D]

Hey, we're so excited, man.

[F]

We're so excited to have you.

[E]

We were just talking about your work ethic, your toughness, how you're physical and how you're gonna get this thing done.

[D]

And get all this rehab going.

[C]

Oh, you're gonna kick some ass, man.

[G]

Hey, it's the reason I wore a blue suit today, man.

[H]

That's right.

[F]

You damn right. I got my blue suit on too.

[G]

Yeah, you know it. You know it.

[F]

All right, man. Hey, hey, I'm looking forward to seeing you soon.

[I]

I'm gonna pass you over to Da, okay?

[C]

Yes, sir.

[E]

All right, here you go.

[F]

Hey, Siobhan. What's up, man?

[I]

It's Da.

[G]

What up, man? How you doing?

[F]

I'm good, man.

[C]

You ready to roll?

[G]

I'm very excited, man. I'm ready to get on that field.

[B]

Hey, hey, what'd I tell you when.

[F]

You was here, man?

[G]

Hey, you already. Hey, time to work, coach.

[F]

Hey, tell your daddy what's up, man. You know he a Cowboys man.

[B]

He can really get down with us now.

[G]

I already know. You know what I'm saying?

[F]

Hey, look, we get in here, man, let's get in here after it, bro, for real. Hey, I got you the whole way.

[G]

You know it.

[F]

You sleep my hip pocket, bro. How you right?

[G]

Yes, sir. Thank you, man.

[B]

All right, man.

[F]

Hey, tell everybody I said what's up, man?

[C]

Tell your dad I say hi.

[B]

Let's get this thing rocking, baby.

[G]

Yes, S, man, let's work.

[C]

All right, man. I love that. How cool is that?

[D]

These are a bunch of college, kind of like college coaches working at. I mean, I know that there, you know, but yeah, that's a lot of fun. And the fact that the player, he is, like I said, this guy is a fiery competitor and he wants to compete and you know, and again, this is. I just. There's a lot of positive things again with Dr. Cooper, with Brit Brown, with the guys that working with him here, being in Dallas, having familiarity with him and all that, you know, they'll get this kid right, and he'll be out there before you know it and doing some things for you. They're absolutely right about the length, his ability to play, his toughness. It just, it. I couldn't get away from him being my best corner. I just watched him play and I said, this kid's too long, he's too good, he's too tough. You know, I'm super happy that it. That he ended up here. I really am.

[C]

So through the first couple rounds, the first three rounds of the NFL draft, I think you look at the status. Yeah, the packers just took Sabion Williams draft.

[G]

Another.

[D]

Yeah, another.

[C]

Another Texas based wide receiver, Savion Williams.

[I]

This Guy's a running back, so they'll be able to play him in the backfield.

[C]

Remember, they took Matthew golden at 23rd overall yesterday.

[H]

What a fun room.

[C]

It is kind of interesting. All right, going back to Ravel and really the draft class as a whole. First round Tyler Booker, second round Donovan, Ezra Rocku, and then you've got Savone. Savone is how you say the first name, by the way. Savone Revel Jr. Here is the official NFL pronunciation. Those three picks you feel really good about, I think, for the most part. Yeah. But you've still got so many other needs. As Nick outlined so eloquently earlier. You're missing wide receiver, you're missing running back, you're missing defensive tackle, arguably your three biggest needs. You addressed really good football players, and you found some guys that you thought there was value in across the first three rounds, especially in rounds two and three. But, Tommy, where do you go from here? Like we talked about, Is this trade time? Is this free agent time? I don't know exactly how you're going to address it outside of the building, but you got to make something happen there.

[E]

No, you do. And it's like we talked about earlier. In terms of the two substantive trades that Jerry Jones was talking about. You look at wide receiver, maybe even defensive tackle and maybe running back as the positions where those would be possible. I think wide receivers probably the most likely, just because if you look at that wide receiver two spot, I think Dallas is looking for a guy who's more proven to put next to CD Lamb and a proven outside target. Who that is, who knows? We can speculate that about that all we want, but at the end of the day, I don't see them waiting until the fifth round, the sixth round, the seventh round, even if they decide to package some trades and get into the fourth round and look to find their wide receiver number two through those rounds. I just think that the scenario that they've gotten themselves into, it's not necessarily a bad one, is at each of these three rounds, they had a guy fall to them who was so high on their board. And really the last two, you look up and you say, how on earth is this guy still here? And you pull the trigger on him. And those are the last two picks. One of them happens to be at a position of need, and Savon Revel Jr. At corner. So now going forward, you say, okay, if we really like the running back depth in this class, do we like the running back depth enough to take somebody in the fifth Round like a Taj Brooks or an Ali Gordon or a Jarquez Hunter or a Marcus Yarns. I know Nick is a big fan of his or a Kyle Manon guy. So do you like the running back depth enough there or do you feel like there, there needs to be a trade option there? Do you feel like you need to trade for a one ticket to defensive tackle spot? It's all the questions that the Cowboys are going to have to ask themselves. But the way that things have fallen right now, if you're looking at the two substantive trades, if I would have to guess, I think wide receiver is at one of those trade spots. Just because you're not going to find somebody as proven as you would in a trade option in the fourth round of the draft, in my opinion.

[I]

No, it's Ted Johnson. You think he's your wide receiver too? Out of Oregon. That's Kobe Hudson. Out of ucf.

[C]

Jalen Royals is still on the board.

[I]

Jalen Royals is still there. Jalen Rose, probably my top wide receiver there. Eric A. Yomanoy, the wide receiver from Stanford.

[H]

Medical concerns there.

[I]

I mean this is. Yeah, this is when you're looking at, okay, you moved to four to get Mingo. You'd like to have that four tomorrow. So I'd probably want to get back into that round if I can.

[D]

Can I make an observation here?

[C]

Absolutely.

[D]

I think they set up their board not even with needs in mind. I think they're drafting the players. I think they put their board up with taking players who they're comfortable taking and dancing who cares about needs and this and that and the other. I think they, I think they went out with the idea of let's set up our board, let's follow our board. Let's, you know, the way that it's fallen for them, I don't think it's players falling in their lap. I think they legitimately have these guys in spots and the way their stack is that they said, you know what, we're not going to jump tags. We're not going to set the board up to like stack it all where the running backs are there. We're not going to going to stack it all where the receivers are there. We're not going to stack it all where. I think they honestly set their board up. They're true to their board. They're taking guys, they're off off their board. You know, this could very well be that they had a lot higher grade on that corner from East Carolina and all of a sudden it came a blinking light that's our guy. That's our guy right there. We have him as one of our highest rated guys. So I, I, I, I don't, I don't think they set their board up with the intent of okay, we got to go get a wide receiver, we got to go get a one technique. We got to go get. I think they're drafting what they feel is the best players in this draft to them and then let's figure out everything else after that, which is the.

[I]

Way to do it. But I mean just, just looking at what they still need right now it is wide receiver, running back, defensive tackle. I feel pretty good about still being able to land some of these defensive tackles. I think defensive tackle stretches pretty good in this class. I mean, I mentioned Cam Jackson, the Florida kid. If you really want A1 tech, then go ahead and be a really good run defender. Ty Robinson from Nebraska is still available. J.J. peggies, J. Toya, Cam Horsley, Yaha Black I think has a medical thing as well, but from Iowa he's still there. There's tons of defensive tackles and running backs. I think wide receiver is the one. I don't know for sure if you're going to feel good about. Okay, we've drafted a guy now that we think we could solidify his wide receiver two on the depth chart. Running back Damian Martinez is still there. Tootin still there. But I think you probably need to go and be aggressive and get into that fourth round tomorrow. To secure your runner would kind of be how I feel. And then I think you can get a defensive tackle that slides.

[D]

We, we've done exercises where we've talked about and maybe it's vouch and I, and I don't know if we did on the draft show but we talked about that. Okay, give me a running back that could be third round, fourth round that could end up in day three. Give me that. You know, I mean, and I mean day three, like fifth round, day three, you know, and I think there was probably two, three guys where all of a sudden, well, you know, do you feel, where do you feel Ollie Gordon's going to go? You know, where, where do you feel like, you know, Crosby, Merritt, guys, like they're, they're sharp.

[I]

Smith from smu.

[D]

Yeah, there are guys. It's a pretty deep. Would I have liked for them to got this to me to get this by the third, get it done by the third round? Sure, absolutely. But I there now, now, now my hope is I didn't win in that war room on that. I didn't win that thought. My next thing is like, okay, which one of these runners could potentially get through to the fifth round to get to me? You know, that's. I think now that's what their. Their hope is, that maybe one of these guys that shows up that we have maybe a fourth round grade, a number of them, fourth round grades, and all of a sudden they're there for them in the fifth round.

[H]

I just want to hear Jerry say the name Scatter Boo.

[C]

That's.

[H]

That's what I hope to get out of the weekend.

[C]

How would he say it?

[H]

Scatter Boo.

[D]

Scoo.

[F]

Got a butt.

[C]

No, you can't say that one. All right, let's just reset the boards here for a little bit. Most recent selections, Packers. Savion Williams, wide receiver, tcu. Caleb Ransol, one of my favorite players out of Tulane.

[E]

Yeah, cowboys like 88 too.

[C]

They liked him as well. Yeah, Jags went Back to back 88 and 89. They go Caleb ran saw at 88. They go wide. Wyatt Milam, offensive lineman from West Virginia at 89. You guys choose Williams, Ransom, Milam. Who do you want to break down?

[I]

I'll take Milam.

[H]

Yeah, go ahead. Because I was not that high on him, seeing him in the Senior Bowl.

[D]

Yeah, I heard, I heard that he was going to be great at the Senior bowl, and I don't think he was great.

[H]

Yeah, he let, he let some. He had a let down. But I'm curious of, of Zach's eval over there.

[C]

I had a third on him, so this is about right.

[I]

I. Yeah, I mean, I think. Did I have him in the third? I might have had him in the second. I mean, the tape I thought was really, really good on him. Where did I have him? Yep, I put him in the second round. So I think this is really good value for him. He started 32 or 36 games at WVU, including 31 in a row. Iron Mountaineer award. Didn't allow a sack or a quarterback hit this junior year in 2023. He's also got some right tackle flex. I think he's a true guard, though, and he's a finisher. Man, this dude also people mover, driving people off the ball. Really seems to understand the position. I think he's got a feel for hand placement and positioning, strong upper body, smooth lateral movement. He can sink his hips, play with good pad level. He does have two big old braces. I think a lot of these linemen are playing with big old braces. Now he can pull around the edge. I thought he had A really good game against Abdul Carter in the opener. Now, that was a weird scenario where they had a bunch of lightning delays and it was stop and go in that. But overall, I mean, I thought he was really clean but consistent. Overall, the tape was good from what I saw. Maybe the Senior bowl was weak, but I thought he put an outstanding body of work together at West Virginia. I think in the third round for the Jags, this is a guy that's going to be starting guard for them.

[E]

I'll talk about Williams from tcu. I was a little bit lower on him. I have him in the fourth. You know, with him, it's just when he's got the ball in his hands, he can do a lot of really good things. And I think you see that all over the place. Place on. On film. When he. When he played at tcu, the. The issue was that wide receiver, sometimes he would struggle to bring the ball into his hands. Is a lot of easy drops here and there, and I just don't really trust his hands at all. But he's got the size and the athleticism to capitalize in 50, 50 situations. He's experienced. Look at those 38 career starts, a thousand receiving yards, 14 touchdowns. Here's an example of that contested catch ability just being bigger than the guy that's guarding him.

[C]

And.

[E]

And, you know, him and Jack Besh kind of fit in that same mold of just being able to box guys out and get in front of them. But here's the. After the catch ability, you know, just being able to make guys miss and get past him. That's about eight different red jerseys there that he's making miss. So I don't know if I'm necessarily with Zach in terms of. Yeah, I think this guy's a running back, but just get him the ball and not necessarily a Debo Samuel role. I think that that term kind of gets thrown around way too much, but just finding ways to get ball, whether that be in the screen game or just the quick passing game, and let him go to work. And I think that's where you're utilizing him. The best guy.

[D]

Yeah, this guy's Nico Collins. To me, the way he plays 6, 4, 2, 22, you watch him run kind of inside routes and stuff like that. It's a. It's amazing how well for how big he is, how he moves up the field and his ability to adjust. I think he's got some quickness in and out of his breaks. You know, you see him right here, look, he's breaking some tackles I mean that's. That to me. When I watched Nico Collins play at Michigan and I saw that big old body running inside and catching the football. Yeah, the drops and things like that, that's, you know, that's something. I think that some concentration stuff that he has to kind of work on. But right here, look where he is. He's lined up right there inside. And then I'm just going to break the inside. Boom. Right there. Touchdown. This guy, he. That size is pretty damn impressive the way and the different things that he can do.

[H]

Before I bounce up out of here, I'm curious, other than Chador, who's the highest two guys left on Yalls boards? I. For me it is Xavier Watts and Jeffrey Basa out of Oregon.

[F]

Those.

[H]

I have just a handful of second round grades left and those are the top two.

[C]

I have two second round grades remaining. It's Jalen Royals from Utah State and Xavier Watts from Notre Dame.

[I]

Yep. Xavier Watts and Jalen Royals from Watts.

[E]

Watts and Braden Sanders.

[D]

You just said without. Without Sanders.

[H]

Correct.

[D]

Yes, I am in your. And then Watts were the two guys I've had.

[H]

Yeah, Watts. So what's, so what's up with Watts? We're all in agreement.

[D]

There's something going on there that we obviously don't know about. Yep.

[C]

I mean if you look at. I'm just looking at the cons on my list. Tackling technique, back pedal, footwork, sloppy at times when changing direction.

[D]

You're talking about Watts.

[C]

Yeah, Watts specifically. All teachable when you get to the next level. I didn't think his speed jumped off the tape like it should have. And I thought he hesitated to help in the run game. But when you look at extremely high football iq, understanding of where to be in coverage, elite ball skills, tracking ability, all those things line up well. I, I mean, I had a second round grade on him for a reason. I'm a little shocked he's still available. He was my 44th overall player in the draft.

[H]

Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's a fascinating one. He's at 41 for me. I wonder what the value is going to look like at the top of round four. We're going to have some interesting discussions going into day three about some of these names that are still available. You know, Marcus Bowe, Dylan Sampson.

[C]

Yeah.

[H]

You know, Tootin, you know Caleb Johnson still on the board or. Excuse me. He went to, he went to the Steelers.

[I]

Jordan Phillips from Indiana.

[H]

Yeah.

[I]

Billy Bowman Jr. From OU.

[H]

Those, those two. Yeah. Yeah. I'll give it to you. There were Some teams that were talking about them, and then the quarterback, it's not just Sanders, it's not just Shador. It's. It's Milroe, it's Quinn ewers, it's Kyle McCord. I think these are some guys that, you know, we maybe could have seen taken on day two.

[D]

I think I just. I kind of feel like the league is telling us right now that, hey, these quarterbacks. John Snyder said, he goes, hey, you know, don't sleep on these quarterbacks. John, nobody's listening to you. Everybody.

[H]

Everybody was.

[D]

There's a lot of people that evaluated these quarterbacks as not being very good. They kind of thought about Cam Ward as being number one. And then everybody else was trying to kind of fight, find a spot. I'm surprised that Will Howard hasn't gone yet. You know, if you look at how he played for Ohio State, yeah, they have great players and all those things, but you look at the throws that had to be made. Will Howard made those throws.

[C]

Okay, as we're speaking on that, Milro.

[D]

Goes, here we go.

[C]

Where did he go?

[D]

He went, Seattle. Seattle Seahawks.

[H]

I love Redfin.

[E]

Your boy's got a point, Brian.

[D]

Your boys got a point.

[C]

John said, watch out for those quarterbacks, man.

[D]

You know what? He might have already. He might have heard me in Seattle talk about him because he's like, you know, John's. John probably what he did. John probably said, listen, I made a really stupid statement that, like, watch these quarterbacks and I better take one right now. But this guy right here, though, I'll tell you what, man, this. This cat. And people hate when I call these guys cats, cat or kids. But when this guy throws this football, you can watch Georgia, the first half of that game, he looks like he is unstoppable. Then you watch the first half of the Michigan game and the bowl game, and Wink Martindale got after his ass. So, yeah, this could be one of those things, you know, John comes from the Green Bay packers system of always drafting quarterbacks. You got one here in the fourth round, you know, or, excuse me, the third round. Congratulations, John. That's a really, really nice job there. I love this kid. The arm, the mobility, it's all rare. Everything he has to traits wise, is very, very rare.

[C]

Before you get out of here, Nick, I want you to talk about Milroe because I know you have a personal connection with him and kind of knowing him for a while. I think we're going to look back at this pick three, four, five years from now, and we're going to say, wow, they had a steal at number 92 overall.

[H]

Yeah. In Tyler Booker's introductory press conference today, he brought up Jalen Milroe twice. One without intention. And then I asked him about Milroe because I wanted him to speak about how he speaks about his quarterback and anybody you talk to. Jalen Milroe is a legit leader. He's got that alpha presence as a quarterback. I covered him when he was in high school. I was covering University of Texas, Texas at the time. He was committed to Texas for a long time and was super, super great with anybody. You, He. He walked into. I mean, you talk about the person Jalen Milroe, it's hard to find one person who doesn't agree that he's one of the finer men out here. But the play, that's going to be the big thing for him. And he's had the same questions going back to high school is like, okay, yes, he has this powerful arm. Yes, he is super.

[D]

He doesn't know where it's going to.

[H]

Go, but yeah, that's short to intermediate games.

[D]

Oh, boy.

[H]

Boy.

[I]

We don't know where the ball's gonna go.

[D]

Well, we could say the same ride. We could say the same thing about Josh Allen.

[H]

It's a fun ride.

[D]

I mean, you way better thrower than.

[I]

What Milro is, right?

[C]

At the same time, less.

[D]

Less than 50. Like a 50 passer.

[I]

He was way more accurate.

[D]

His act. Come on.

[I]

He was.

[D]

No, no, you guys were right, my ass. No, no.

[H]

And on that note, goodbye, guys.

[D]

About Josh Allen, I. I'm just telling you, man.

[I]

He was a. I took a beating.

[D]

Because of that guy of coming out.

[I]

Of Wyoming and I.

[D]

You were involved in that.

[I]

I was not involved in that. I was not involved.

[D]

I remember. I got the receipts.

[I]

Well, okay, then show me the receipts somewhere.

[D]

Here, I've got them.

[I]

I wasn't calling you out about Josh Allen. I promise you that.

[D]

Josh Allen was throwing a damn cattle ranchers, folks.

[H]

Tell him, Brian.

[D]

Throwing the cattle ranchers. And guys like Zach Wolczyk were like, no.

[C]

I don't know how Eric called him.

[I]

A tight end playing quarterback. You are confusing us, which happens all the time, and I'm not blaming you for that. But it was not me that was knocking you for Josh Allen. I don't. I think that's that. Honestly, it's disrespectful to Josh Allen to.

[F]

Put him in the same sentence this conversation sounds.

[I]

But Milro is an incredible runner, and if you can figure out a way like Josh Allen did going from what it was year two to year three. And you're able to somehow harness what he did in action half. And you can extrapolate that over 17 games, you're going to have yourself an MVP. It's just a big time if right there.

[C]

Well, he doesn't have to start right away. He's got Sam Darnold in front of him. This isn't an immediate need. He can grow into it. And whenever I.

[I]

Not a great passer.

[C]

You know, it's interesting. You're right. And I think there's ways he can grow in that regard. Nick Harris talked about it. He said specifically, he said it's a wild run. It was a wild ride with Jalen Milrose, specifically. And because of that wild ride, it's up and it's down. I mean, I called one game from Alabama this past year. It was the Iron Bowl. In that same game, he had three turnovers. He had three rushing touchdowns. It was an incredible back and forth.

[E]

Wow.

[D]

What was his final throw in that game? Was that two years ago that they had that game where he was 41. Yeah, yeah.

[I]

He can showcase that. And then you. But again, you don't know what.

[D]

Excuse me.

[C]

And you even said that.

[I]

You have no idea.

[D]

The consistency is super rocket arm, but you make it sound like the dude can't complete a pass.

[I]

No, you just don't know where the ball's going. And that is an issue for a quarterback, but in the third round, for a developmental guy that's going to be a backup, there's no issue with taking him there. But to compare him to Josh Allen, who was a top 10 pick and is an MVP.

[D]

You guys all hated Josh Allen. You admit it.

[I]

Don't throw me into the hated Josh Allen category.

[C]

I wasn't here at that point in time. I love Brian. I love.

[I]

Maybe you're thinking of Jeffrey Kavanaugh, somebody else.

[C]

I don't know, man.

[D]

I took a beating. No, that. That was for that.

[F]

This is what this show was all about.

[C]

I would have backed you up in that regard, Brian. You go check the tapes at ESPN Central Texas in Waco, Texas.

[D]

I was talking Virginia safety when he's a pretty good player.

[H]

Yeah.

[E]

Well, no, I'm not going to fight Kyle yet. I'm going. I'm going back to Jalen Milro.

[C]

I just don't like New Orleans, okay?

[I]

Neither.

[E]

Everything that you guys are talking about at certain terms of question marks or problems or whatever you want to call it around Jalen Milroe is all things that you can fix everything that he's got that you can't is elite.

[I]

You got one quarterback that's fixed that. It's Josh Allen. How many damn quarterbacks get drafted every year, Brian? How many you got? One example. One.

[D]

Oh, they fix quarterbacks all the time.

[I]

They fix quarterbacks all the time.

[D]

They do.

[E]

This is a. This is a traits league. This is a traits league. Especially when you get.

[I]

Don't.

[D]

Don't get. Don't get defensive because you're wrong about a guy. That's okay. That's okay.

[I]

I'm not getting defensive. Sitting here for something I never even did do you. And I'm just saying you can't fix quarterbacks all the time.

[F]

You did.

[D]

Our show.

[E]

Our show.

[D]

Hated our show. Hated Josh Allen.

[I]

I was show then I was on the nosebleed seats at night, Brian. I got promoted afterwards.

[F]

I was at.

[C]

Because they did like Josh Allen.

[I]

So they kicked out those guys. And the one guy who had your back on Josh Allen, you're coming at right now.

[C]

Two guys. Two guys that are on this show.

[D]

One booth. Stop.

[C]

It don't seem all right. Cleveland's on the clock. Their pick is in at 94. Let's just reset the board after a fun, lively conversation. 91 the Ravens. Emory Jones Jr. Offensive tackle from LSU goes to the Ravens. A good pick there from your LSU Tigers. Brian Baltimore takes another one of the guys from the Tigers as Seahawks, of course, take Jalen Milro. That's what sparked this whole conversation. Quarterback from Alabama. And then the New Orleans Saints take Joe Jonas Sinker, the safety from Virginia. We've got a couple more picks remaining in the third round of the 2025 NFL Draft. Our con coverage continues on 153TheFAN and Dallas Cowboys.com.

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[C]

Back here on the dot com side, we still have a commercial.

[D]

We have the commercial blaring in our ears right now.

[C]

Commercial still there.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

Thank you very much. Bill Jones doing a great job on the VO Read alongside VO Lombardi, Brian Broadus, Tommy Yarish, Zach Wolchuk. I'm Kyle Yeomans. There's Bobby Belt walking in.

[B]

God, is he talking about Melro yet?

[I]

Get his ass.

[D]

Yep. I'm done.

[E]

Well, I. I didn't get to finish because we broke down to a full fist fight. It was great.

[C]

Do you want to finish your.

[D]

Your thought?

[E]

Great player. Super happy for him.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

You should be, Tommy.

[F]

You got to fight somebody before the season's over.

[C]

He's Switzerland is all he is. He is Switzerland.

[E]

I'm not a fighter. I'm a lover. Thank you guys so much.

[D]

See you guys tomorrow. Yep. Sounds good.

[I]

Great work, Tommy.

[E]

Appreciate you.

[C]

Oh, this is type of day three stuff.

[D]

We're on day.

[I]

This is what we need. This has been way too calm and relaxed.

[F]

It's V's fault.

[C]

It's.

[I]

It's good.

[C]

You haven't even been.

[I]

Quarterbacks get people going. I can't believe Milro went ahead of Shador, quite frankly.

[F]

Shoulder something. Got drafted.

[D]

No.

[F]

You know, what the hell going on?

[B]

I mean, we did think there was going to be a run on running backs.

[D]

I was kind of feeling like that Will Howard should have been drafted here at some point, too.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, there's a couple quarterbacks there. Could Cleveland at pick 94. Their pick is in. Could they take a quarterback and not. Not Shador specifically, but any of those quarterbacks that are still left on the board.

[D]

Why not? Shoot door.

[C]

Maybe not.

[D]

Why not?

[I]

I don't know. It's weird.

[C]

Well, and I mean, Jalen Milro goes off the board at 92. Can that spark an end of a day to run on the quarterback position?

[B]

Man, I don't be a quarterback first.

[D]

I don't know about that. With. It's. I think it's unfortunate and I Think the kid can play quarterback?

[C]

I think so too.

[D]

I can. You know, when you watch him play, I think there's things that Jackson State that he was able to do. I think he was a much slimmer player. I think that he's gotten bigger and I think it's hurt his mobility. And so I think if he could have gotten down, if he gets down, somebody gets him. Trains a little better. We'll see.

[C]

Let's go to the Brown selection. The Cleveland Brown select.

[E]

Dylan Gabriel.

[C]

Wow, Oregon.

[B]

Okay, Brian, I got a real question for you guys.

[I]

Can throw.

[B]

Is there, is there a chance that this has gotten to a point that teams are punishing him? It's weird for the way he may be handled himself.

[D]

Well, this is what teams need to worry about now is the fact. And we'll talk about Dylan Gabriel. I think Dylan Gabriel, I'm surprised like the Dolphins didn't draft him.

[H]

Yeah.

[D]

Because if something happens, their guy, they got a shorter left handed quarterback that they could put in.

[B]

He's really active. Dude is so tough.

[D]

He is tough. He's accurate. He is under six foot. I will say this though. Teams are, I think teams are now in a point where Deion Sanders and Deion Sanders will get players at Colorado. He's about to shut the NFL out from coming to see his school.

[I]

Oh, gosh.

[C]

You think there's a, there's a little leverage there.

[D]

He's about to tell the NFL with, with two birds to you. You're no longer welcome here. You know, I don't care about, you know, coming it. He's been more than welcoming to NFL scouts throughout about coming in and seeing his players and being a part of that and being open to all that. But now, now this is, it seems a little personal here is what it is because like I say, there's. And like, hey, I could be wrong about Sanders but you know, I know with Dylan Gabriel got him a little bit further down the board. The kid is super accurate the way he plays. But you watch Sanders play and nobody was under the microscope more than him as a player. He has poise, he's got touch, he has some accuracy. He will drift in the pocket and that gets him in trouble, you know, and those are the things. But there's a lot of these quarterbacks that you find that Jackson dart, his feet are all over the place.

[C]

Absolutely.

[D]

Sanders feet are all over the place. Ward's feet are all over the place. You know, this is turning into something I think a little personal right now.

[C]

Just an observation. They have Daniel Jeremiah's best available on the clock.

[D]

He's had, he's had Sanders since this thing started today as his best player.

[C]

He has him ranked as number 20. The next player.

[D]

I do too.

[C]

55.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

That's a big gap for you to just be sitting there at the top of the draft. And Daniel Jeremiah is about as plugged in as any of the national pundits are. So with that being said, I mean, we have them all kind of in a similar spot. I had him at 24. I thought at some point that might have been low on my board.

[I]

I had him at 30.

[C]

Even if you go, Even if you.

[F]

Don'T like Sanders as well, a person or whatever. Right. And he may not be a first round type player for you, but he's still a dude that walked into Colorado when Colorado was like the worst franchise or the worst, the worst program.

[D]

Decades.

[C]

Yes.

[F]

Nobody knows anything about Colorado at all. And this is still a growing program. Like, we still got like, he needs like help on the old line. Like, the defense wasn't all that great. He got like five, seven wide receivers. Yes. Travis Hunter. But the rest of the guys are like little bitty. Like, they like, like, it's not like this Will Howard type perfect situation that he's in.

[I]

Right.

[F]

And he's able to do that. And they were one game away from postseason. And I at least think that that means something in terms of like toughness, leadership. Hey, we're. We're a gritty Colorado team trying to figure this thing out and look at what we're. We're fighting. We're. And I'm making these. And I'm getting hit in the mouth. I'm not complaining. We're playing. I'm making tough throws and I, I don't see a, I don't see a player that should get passed up for Dylan Gabriel in Milro.

[B]

I will say I think there were. And why. I think it's worth asking the question outside of just the obvious of. He seems like he should have been good enough to go already. There were at least two prominent NFL coaches I know who felt like flat out aggressively disrespected by Shador Sanders in Indianapolis.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

That if they're dinging him because of the personality traits and stuff like that. And that's. That's cool. That's cool. But you know my job as a personnel guy. Yeah. I'm trying to get to the bottom of these kids, talk to these kids and stuff like that. But you can't tell me, putting on his tape that he's a guy that's getting passed over by quarterbacks that are fifth round guy.

[B]

We got back to back Raiders picks coming up. They still haven't taken a quarterback.

[I]

Maybe they are the one that wants to take him. I mean you nailed it with toughness. That dude takes a beating.

[C]

The Falcons just traded up to get this spot in 96. 6.

[D]

Well, God, if they take a quarterback, we got a scoop.

[C]

They traded right back up into the third round to get here.

[D]

This is a very Falcon thing.

[F]

Here we go.

[E]

Here we go.

[D]

How many picks did the Falcons have? They traded a couple. They gave mixers one to get up.

[I]

Yeah, they did.

[F]

With a 96 pick in the two.

[D]

In the, in the 2025 draft. The Atlanta Falcons select Xavier Watts.

[I]

Oh, boom. There's our guy. There goes our dude.

[C]

And that's why they trade.

[I]

That's a good trade up.

[F]

The ball magically finds this dude. Yeah, like he's always in the right place at the right time, but the ball just magically finds him. Whether he's playing deep or whether he's roaming around the box as a robber guy, you know, they'll put him in linebacker. Sometimes he just finds the football. He's a, he's a tough, you know, he's a tough run defender, tackler. But I really give, I really give safeties a lot of credit for getting hands on the ball and as a box safety kind of dude that can play deep sometimes he gets his hands on, he gets a lot of picks and I value that. I had him as a second round guy. I think there's some pretty good value for him.

[D]

Yeah, second round guy on my board, this guy, he is always around the football and you can watch Notre Dame's defense at times it looks like crazy, like people are out of place. They don't always cover guys. And this guy cleans up a lot of mess back there. I kind of felt like that he was the guy that should have gone ahead of the Georgia State, you know, it paired him up with our guy there, Kyle Hamilton.

[C]

Yeah, Hamilton.

[D]

This guy could play deep, Hamilton could play down. And you would probably have a lot of turnovers in that secondary.

[C]

Plus ball skills.

[I]

He is all over the field to your guys's point and high IQ player, man. I mean he gets it, he sees it, he the tackling. He is aggressive and at times you can get a little over pursuit. But it also creates some big time plays for him where he'll gamble a little bit. Bit. I, I love them. I mean I think this is a great Value to get Xavier Watts.

[F]

Bobby, let me ask you a question, sir. You're the, you're the inside and you're tapped in. Oh, we got a pick.

[C]

Do we hear the Texans pick first? Go ahead.

[D]

Traveled up here and the two biggest.

[C]

Texans and football fans I know back at home.

[I]

My son is Henry and Benjamin.

[C]

I love you boys and I'm proud of you guys.

[D]

With that being said, we have a trade.

[C]

The Minnesota Vikings have traded the 97th pick to the Houston Texas Texans. And with the 97th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select Jalen Smith, defensive back, Southern California.

[I]

That's your guy, Bobby.

[C]

Different, different swipe. He's trying to bring up old things.

[F]

The sunglasses Bobby. Quarterback. Quarterback wise. Back to Sanders, right?

[C]

Yeah, back to Sanders. How.

[F]

How far will he have to. I know media, media would just love this, but just a part of me want to just say, you know, bleep it. Let's just, let's just, let's just make him a Cowboy. How far would he have to fall down for the Cowboys even think about it.

[D]

If they're picking their board, if, if in fact that they're not looking at needs and they're just picking their board. Could he be. I mean, he's gotta be.

[C]

Maybe.

[B]

The only thing I can think is because they still do have needs out there and they just got Milton. Yeah, that they might. And I think they already have their eyes on a couple guys in, in potential undrafted free agency.

[F]

Sure.

[B]

Then I don't know if it.

[D]

Or a guy. Ram Mertz? Is that who we're talking about?

[B]

Oh, Vomit Mertz could be one of them. Mertz a guy.

[F]

See, that's what I'm saying. Sanders is better than any post draft guy you can get. Right.

[D]

And we'll see what happens in the. We'll see what happens in the fourth round. But this, now, now to me, this is the, the. I don't know what I'm calling myself here, but this is now where the whole thing where I wish I wouldn't have traded for Milton.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

If I'm knowing this kid's on the board.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

I'm sorry. Give me my, give me my pick back. If I, if, if I had the crystal ball and they said, hey, you could keep your pick, you know, you could keep what you want to do. I'm thinking too, you know, with the situation with, you know, the fourth round pick and stuff with a receiver that you gave up. But yeah, going after Milton, if you knew that Sanders was going to fall like this you wouldn't probably reconsider them.

[C]

If you pick Sanders right now, would he be your qb?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Over Milton?

[B]

Yeah, I think so, probably.

[C]

How about. How about there's not a whole lot of fallback there if you don't have Milton.

[D]

How about this for a thought? What if Dallas had not resigned Dak, would you have considered taking Sanders at 12?

[B]

No, I wouldn't. I mean, I liked Shador Sanders more than I think a lot of people did, but I should or Sanders was still a second round quarterback to me with a lot of flaws and. Okay, you have a lot coming out of Indianapolis about how receptive he is to criticism and changing the things that he needs.

[D]

The league is punishing him right now because of his demeanor.

[B]

Well, I had one. So one team I talked to said that their thought is, is anybody saying.

[D]

He'S not good on a board? No.

[C]

No.

[D]

So anybody saying that he's disrespectful, overconfident.

[B]

I mean, what is it resistant to fixing the things teams, things think he needs to fix?

[D]

Okay, okay. And if that's the case, then yeah, it's hard.

[C]

I know.

[B]

Yeah, I know. I know of one team who's just like, all right, well, if you're not going to. If you seem resistant to fixing the things we think you need to work on, then you're never going to achieve what we think you can achieve.

[D]

How did he get better playing under Pat Shermer, who was a former pro coach? I don't know.

[B]

Pat Shermer compared him to Daniel Jones two weeks ago. So I don't know what Pat Shermer was seeing in him that night.

[D]

That's terrible.

[I]

I guess the question would be in one pushback. I heard is he's only ever had Dion as his coach. So how would he work with somebody else as a head coach? Maybe you know, when dad's telling you you're a little bit more receptive, if it's somebody else, I don't know. Maybe there is pushback there. I didn't really want to believe that. I mean, I think the kid does show a lot of talent on tape. The fact that he is just taking a beating pops right back up. His teammates seem to love him. I mean, he's definitely a guy I would have gambled with. I mean, to your question, Brian. Yeah, I think he had had to have been in the conversation if they didn't re sign Dakota.

[D]

See, that's what I wonder if in fact that. That if Dallas was honestly looking for a quarterback they had not made the move. And they did. They signed Dak Prescott to a four year deal. But now it kind of makes me wonder would, would they have considered Deion Sanders and maybe they wouldn't have, maybe they would not have considered him at that 12th spot if that was the case.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

And hey, we're five picks away from the end of the third round and he is still on the board. Now like Bobby Smith said, watch Philadelphia take him. Oh man.

[D]

And just you know, the Raiders are back.

[B]

San Francisco leverages Purdy's contract.

[C]

Yeah. Back to back Raiders San Francisco at 100. 101 is the Eagles and then 102 is the Vikings to round out the third round. Where do you think if you're the Raiders, you're going back to back here. If you, if there's a pick where you could take a quarterback and take a risk, it would be where you have touching tags there at 98 and 99. Right. Right.

[B]

Yeah, you would think.

[C]

Or maybe you take one of these other quarterbacks like a. Yeah.

[D]

Howard.

[C]

Howard.

[D]

I, I, I like, I like Howard a lot. I, I really, I, I have yours from Texas. I have Howard in the third round myself.

[C]

Here's the Raiders selection in 98. Let's listen to this just in case it gets interesting here. DJ another one is currently.

[D]

Let's go Raider Nation.

[C]

Those lines good. Misses opportunity.

[I]

Nico, that would be awesome.

[C]

And I'm very thankful.

[E]

Many great franchises and many great players.

[D]

But I'm very thankful for what the Raiders did for me as a player, as a assistant coach.

[F]

Every time.

[D]

Thrilled for the opportunity man's going to have at the Raiders. We say once a Raider, Raider, always a Raider.

[C]

You've got another 20, 25 draft.

[D]

The Raiders. The Las Vegas Raiders select Caleb Rogers. Guard from Texas. Texas Tech.

[I]

Man, I thought he could have been a day three guy for the Cowboys.

[C]

Same here, man. Adam, in my mock I was hoping he would.

[D]

This guy's played a lot of football.

[I]

He really has. They love him at Texas Tech. I mean I, my, my brother in law, Ben Golan covers him there for, for Red Raider and he had nothing but glowing things to say about Caleb Rogers. I mean this guy was a team captain, was just a leader. Played in 61 games, 55 starts, every position except center. Two time honorable mention, all Big 12, big body. I think he uses hands pretty well with a strong punch. Wide base, oldest ground, can move in space, get to the second level. Reliable player, really good at the combo blocks. Gets the leverage when people need to be helped with the, with the combos. He doesn't have very natural bend, but somehow he does a good job of keeping pad level. It's very, very unique. Super competitive. Caleb Rogers. This was a little high for me, but I love the kid and I'm happy for him and I hope he ends up having a great career.

[D]

He's a little bit. He's going to be a little bit of an older guy, right? 24 years old.

[I]

He's a super senior. Yep.

[D]

And you know, he's like you said he is. He is one of those guys that he's played all the spots you mentioned. I mean, mean, he's also. He has practiced at center from what I, from what I understand, talking to the folks out there about him, but he's one of those guys, too. That's really good for being 6, 6 and £312.

[B]

Here's the Raiders again.

[D]

The initial quickness. In the 2025 NFL Draft. The Las Vegas.

[C]

Charles Grant tackle.

[I]

Oh, my God. Now they took your dude.

[F]

William and Mary.

[D]

Yeah. Charles Grant. I, I am a big fan of Charles Grant here, I think. Go ahead, Bosh. You know, you, you were the guy that kind of turned me on to Charles Grant. I'm gonna give you some shine on this one.

[F]

Hey, man, Charles Grant is a natural mover, smooth, great athlete. He plays with a great deal of power. And I would, I would, you know, put that with a caveat that he's playing against some little bitty school guys. But based on the film that we see, you true. He can, he can push some guys around a little bit. I really wanted to see him at the Senior Bowl. We didn't get an opportunity to see him, but versus the competition that we saw on the film. Great mover. Gets to his landmarks really well. Great reach blocker, scoop blocker, second level blocker. Get him out in open space on jailbreak screens, slow screens, Texas screens. I was a big fan of him. I just wanted to see him compete versus better schools. I watched the Towson game and I didn't even know. I didn't know Towson was. Was a school. I watched a vmi, I believe.

[D]

Vmi.

[B]

I didn't even. I didn't look at this, Brian. That looks like bounce house type of.

[D]

We have some bounce house stuff.

[B]

It wasn't exactly the bounce house, but it looked similar.

[C]

That's Coastal Carolina. They're going to give all their concessions away for free next year.

[I]

It's a good bit.

[D]

Oh, we got. Yeah, we got stuff going on that. I'll tell you what, though, Vaj, I like what you're saying this guy was a starting left tackle for the Tribe. This, he was a high school championship wrestler. Draft him just on that alone, but hit the quickness out of stance. He's 6 5. He's 311. The mirror skills are really good. It's hard to defeat him with counter speed moves. He processes stunts, twists. You're not going to fool this guy. Flexible. Rarely do you see him off balance or out of position. He could be a dominant finisher and generally he'll fight through the whistle the toughness not to be defeated. He is not the heaviest guy, so that freaks me out sometimes. But he'll need some mass. But man, he's a really good zone run blocker. He's got the ability to reach. Cut off off all those things. Outstanding. And Vod is right. Wish you could have seen him with the competition there at the Senior Bowl.

[B]

How high did everybody have him?

[D]

I had him in the fourth round.

[C]

I had him in the. I had him at 109 on my.

[I]

Board in the third.

[C]

That's the fourth for me.

[B]

I had him in the second.

[C]

There you go.

[D]

I had him in the third. My bad. I'm in the third. My bad.

[B]

I think, I think you get him in an NFL weight room and that's an easy starter.

[C]

Yeah, I think that's.

[B]

That's an easy NFL start there. There's really not.

[D]

Second.

[B]

That's really the only thing to me.

[D]

Why didn't you read your report?

[B]

I was just waiting for you guys to get through it. I wanted to see where everybody had him. But no, I've got it because I thought Vod him. No, Nick Har and he has him in the second.

[F]

I got.

[D]

Oh, you do? That's what I thought. Yeah.

[B]

No, but to me, like, I think there's so much about him in terms of the movement skills and everything else that's so rare and, and there's so much in terms of progression. If you go back and look at some of the stuff from like 22, 23 up to now, now that's a guy who. I think as soon as you get him in an NFL weight room and you can fix some of that play strength stuff, then I think he's going to be a lot to deal with and I think that's a legit long term NFL starter at tackle.

[I]

I'm with you.

[D]

Can I make a board observation? My, my third round running backs have really yet to be touched.

[F]

They all there, James, and every one.

[D]

Of my fourth round running backs are there when it's ATN Neil Giddings. Brooks Martinez is Smith. What?

[B]

Melro?

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Damn.

[D]

Remind me just to like when I see in the parking lot.

[F]

I got a pen if you want.

[D]

Then what I'll do is after that I'll walk over to Woolchuck's car.

[I]

I'm an innocent bystander here, but I'm just.

[D]

You know what Just an observation. And then looking at my fifth round guys like Gordon Hunter, Crosky, Merit. I know you have him a lot higher.

[F]

Got the on him.

[D]

This thing might stretch for the.

[I]

Yeah, they're all like Jordan James.

[F]

They're all there.

[I]

Dylan Sampson.

[D]

These cats might stretch to the fifth.

[I]

Trevor Etn there. Taj Brooks Allen DJ guard.

[F]

Smith Mullings.

[I]

Len Allen.

[F]

Yarns.

[D]

Stop with yarns, man.

[C]

Guy Ali Gordon Guy. Rocket Jarquez Hunter.

[I]

One last note since Nick's not here for the feel good on Charles Grant.

[D]

Grant.

[I]

He was a bone marrow donor to a 29 year old with Hodgkin's lymphoma. That's sweet. Sweet, man.

[C]

No, that's awesome.

[D]

Unlike you.

[I]

I'm sorry that you're angry.

[D]

You would take the last chicken wing bone is what you would.

[I]

You know that that's not even true. Give that to you. Pointing out Milro's not the best thrower in the world.

[D]

That's all it is.

[C]

Final Final three selections.

[B]

I don't think rocks.

[I]

How about you?

[C]

49Ers Eagles and Vikings. Final three selections. Pick his.

[D]

Never seen a workout room.

[I]

Well, that's true.

[C]

Jalen smith, corner from USC. Goes to the Texans at Grizzly.

[D]

Seven scouting players, 98 Raiders.

[C]

Hi, I'm Rogers from Texas Tech. 99 Charles Grant.

[D]

Here's the 40 Bears.

[F]

Y' all stay focused.

[D]

San Francisco 49ers select Upton Stout. Okay. Who's the Upton Stout guy? That's okay.

[C]

I like me some Upton Stout's interesting.

[D]

I thought that. Oh.

[I]

Because you probably called one of the Western Kentucky games. There you go.

[C]

That and where did he transfer from?

[I]

North Texas.

[C]

The University of North Texas.

[D]

Okay. I thought maybe. I thought. I think Nick. Nick had him too. Nick had him too.

[C]

I mean you talk about a. A guy who could play on this slot only.

[H]

Yeah.

[C]

Sort of things. That's really what he is. I think he's a really good value here as well. I'm trying to find his like over Riley and strong.

[D]

No kind of guy.

[C]

I. I have him below early. You think it's a little early. Where do you have him?

[F]

Just. I got him way down here. Just some.

[D]

You just Call it the others. Right, the others.

[F]

Just some names. I got a Dotson Strong, Riley Hussy, Brian Alexander Longer beam, my. Muhammad Burke. I got some names.

[C]

Okay, so I have him as. I actually put him as a safety. They. They labeled him as a corner. He played corner throughout his time at Western Kentucky. He was a safety at North Texas, 19 mph. During the gauntlet drill during the combine, which was the fastest out of all of the defensive backs. He ran a 4, 440 with a 159 split. I think he. You have him a little bit smaller, 5 foot 8, 184 pounds, but he had six interceptions in his collegiate career. He had a ton of past breakups. He just always found the football. I had a fifth round pick on him, so, yeah, it's still a little early for me, but I did like him out of Western Kentucky specifically. I have guys like Reed ahead of him, Sancher ahead of him, Billy Bowman.

[D]

Jr. Sanker got drafted.

[C]

Well, exactly. They're all. They're all ahead. But yeah, I. For him to go above guys like Billy Bowman and some of these other corners. I know he can play safety or corner.

[B]

Corner.

[C]

I. I'm a little surprised to see him this high, but I did like him as a prospect and maybe a Day 3 selection.

[B]

Did Denver trade into this? This was Philly, wasn't it?

[C]

They just traded into it. Correct.

[D]

Philly got next year's one doing this. Watch.

[F]

Yeah. Crazy.

[I]

Thanks a lot, Sean. The heck did you give up?

[E]

Watch.

[C]

With the 101st pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Denver. Denver Broncos select Savings. Leon Jones, defensive.

[I]

Oh, another LSU T. Yeah.

[D]

But you like him a little bit more than me.

[F]

Hell no. He and my others.

[D]

I. Oh, did. I thought. I thought you liked him a little.

[I]

Bit more than where I have Savon Jones.

[F]

Trace guy, though. He's got length, he got size. He's an athlete, but he runs down the middle of the people. And I think in the run game, he gets a little lost.

[I]

Yeah, had him in the.

[D]

He.

[I]

He just had his best season. 40 tackles, seven and a half tackles for loss, four and a half sacks, 27 consecutive starts. Starts finish with 29 over his career. I think he does have quickness off the ball, but he just has a wild play style. I mean, he does take a lot of wasted steps. Think you need to find a way to kind of harness that. And he doesn't always break down and finish, but he does have a knack for getting his hands up to bat balls down. And he's a relentless Player. I mean the, the motor does not stop. He is constantly moving and he lines up all over the place. He's in a two point stance, then he's in a three, sometimes he's down in a four. So I like the explosiveness. He's very talented. He's got the size that you want. He can fight off blocks. But yeah, I mean I see the critique where it's like you kind of need a, you need to calm him down. You need to kind of just well round out the game a little bit, work on the technique. But this is a high upside player 6, 6, 2, 8 3. I thought more of the fourth, but this is the end of the third. I don't think this is a bad spot for him to go.

[B]

You remember when we were talking about the Texas A and M guys specifically Scorting. We're talking about wanting to see, wanting to see more. Like I expect to see more. That was, that's something I'll ask guys around leagues like, who are those type of players that you had? And this name came up for somebody that I talked to. They were like, he should have been better.

[D]

Yeah, I hate to do this to one of my Tiger guys.

[F]

Tigers. Yeah.

[D]

But this guy, he can't turn. I mean he's, he's really stiff in the way he plays and, and you know, the, the effort as you guys mentioned. I mean, but he'll miss tackles in space, but man, the length is good, 6, 6, 2, 8. He is, he's one of the bigger ends in this draft. The initial burst, the hold the ground against blockers and stuff, but when it comes to pass rushing, it's just kind of straight line more than it is bend.

[I]

Yeah.

[D]

And I, I just don't think he's, I don't think he could turn well enough.

[C]

Here's the final pick of the third round from the Minnesota Vikings.

[D]

Kshar Felton, wide receiver, Maryland.

[C]

Maryland final pick as the third round comes to a close and yes, Shador Sanders is still on the board. Somebody tell me about Ty Felton out of Maryland. And at 5 on Ty, I got.

[F]

A fourth on him. Gets off the ball some pretty good quickness. Gets downfield with a long, you know, with a long stride. Can be, can be shifted with the ball in his hands, but you know, quarterback play was terrible for him. That's one thing that I kind of give him a little bit of credit for. The ball was all over the place, tracks the ball well, decent hands, but sometimes can be a body catcher. And I thought he was a Little thin and he gets pushed around a little bit. But Feldon, big plays. I like him.

[I]

Yeah, he needs to showcase more of a route tree, and that was my issue. Like, could he get. He gets bullied by the stronger corners because he's thin, but gosh, he. He does do a good job when it comes to, you know, downfield run after catch. The run after the catch is there 100%. He threw. He drew three pass interference calls in one game that I watched against usc. I mean, he does an excellent job of putting a lot of stress on DBs with his quickness and acceleration.

[B]

Poor man's DD Westbrook. That's what Ty Felton.

[C]

Okay. I like that.

[D]

This is one of those situations, too. This guy led the nation in screen catches. So you kind of mean the production was. The numbers were. Were. I mean, he had 143 targets this year, and I think three. I think 31 of his receptions were screens, and you could kind of see just kind of getting up the field a little bit. But, man, he. He's got an ability to track it.

[I]

He does.

[D]

This guy will. Will track the football. He's got a feel for how to kind of find space, too. So I liked him in that regard there. But his testing numbers from the combine are actually super, super impressive. And he is. Is, you know, he. He's his. His ability to make people miss. I think there were 26 missed tackles.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

That he had this year. He had after the catch was over 600 yards. I kind of put that in my notes as well.

[I]

So it's impressive.

[D]

And he's also played special teams, so, you know, if he doesn't make it as a guy right off the jump helping the offense, then this guy played over 300 snaps on special teams.

[C]

All right, so the third round has come to an end. Of course. The Dallas Cowboys took Tyler booker in the first round of pick number 12 at 44. They go with Donovan as a Rocku out of Boston College, the edge rusher. And then in the third round at 76, they take East Carolina corner Savone Revelle Jr. Out of. Of course, ECU. As I just said, we'll await the press conference with Jerry Stephen, Will McClay, Brian Schottenheimer shortly. But before we get there, let's go ahead and take our. Our break here. Here on the the radio side of things. You're listening to the 2025 NFL Draft on 153 the Fan and Dallas Cowboys.com.

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Well, you can't get a well groomed.

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[C]

A day at the lake, That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes.

[E]

An afternoon stroll bowl.

[C]

Sorry, no. A burrito bowl.

[D]

Happily, yes.

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What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. A box of fine wines? Yes, that's happening. Delivery on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, then how about some French fries? Yep. A little escape.

[F]

No.

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[C]

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How about a freshly cut lawn?

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[C]

All right.com side of things, what do you guys think after day number two wraps up? Going into day three, still some really good names available on the board. Who are some of the number one names on your board?

[B]

Shador Sanders.

[D]

Sanders.

[I]

Jalen. Royals.

[C]

Royals.

[B]

Honestly, after Shador Sanders, which is, I would guess, everybody's top player left, I would assume. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack Sawyer is the top one left for me.

[D]

Okay.

[I]

Cal Canard. Marcus Bow.

[C]

Jordan Phillips. All right, so we're back on the radio side of things. No more commercial breaks. That sound. That sounds good. As we continue through the. The final hour here of coverage. And Vauch Lombardi, Brian Broadus, Zach Wolchuk, Bobby Belt. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Wrapping things up before going into the final press conference in a couple of moments. Continue your thought there, Zach.

[I]

Yeah, just going through some of the top guys. I mean, I can't believe Savion Jones went ahead of Braden Swinson. Yeah, I'd have much rather taken Braden from lsu.

[B]

Swenson's flagged by a lot of teams.

[I]

Oh, is he? Okay, well, there. There you go. That would be. That would be one.

[D]

My board's a wreck.

[B]

Let me check. Hold on.

[I]

In a bad way or a good way? Chase Lund still there?

[D]

Yeah. You know, it's funny, and I don't know how you guys feel about this on the stack. This team has drafted backwards character on Swenson.

[I]

Which team?

[D]

The Cowboys.

[I]

Cowboys.

[D]

Yeah. In terms of your.

[I]

Your rankings.

[D]

Yeah. 37, 25, 11. They went backwards. They went instead of going my, you know, 11.

[I]

Yeah.

[D]

25, 37. They went 37, 25 and 11. So they went backwards on my. On my deal.

[C]

And I mean, at the end of the day, that's not a bad thing. You get the guys.

[D]

No, I just said I don't think I've ever done it.

[C]

I don't think that's interesting.

[D]

I don't think I've ever put together a stack where a team drafted three players and it went backwards. They took the first player they took was the highest grade and went the other way. That's it. At the highest grade or the lowest?

[I]

The lowest. Yeah, the lowest. Yeah. I mean it went 21, 37, 18.

[B]

Didn't you have that happen last year?

[C]

Weren't B. I can't remember what I had B.B.

[B]

Neyland and Guyton, I think you had in that order.

[D]

But was it backwards like that?

[B]

Like it went Guyton, Neal and BB And I think you had it reversed.

[D]

Yeah, I think. Weird. It's just. It's weird to sit there and look at it right now because. Because, you know, I got my board color coded now and it. It's just to see where they. Where these players are at. But what. What's wrong with the Stanford wide receiver? Is it medical? Okay.

[B]

Yeah, he's got him.

[C]

I like Royals.

[D]

Is something. Is he got a medical Royals doesn't.

[B]

Have anything that I know of.

[D]

Okay.

[I]

Tez Johnson's there. Kobe Hudson.

[C]

I don't want to get testing May have hurt Tez.

[I]

I could see that.

[D]

I don't want to get in a mode tomorrow where I'm talking about the same guys. And then all of a sudden I'm feeling figure out that they've. They're missing.

[I]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, or something is wrong with them, you know. And you say, well, Kyle's gonna ask me, well who do you like? Who's your guy? And you're gonna go, well, I really like to Stanford kid. And you know, and he's.

[B]

Well, that's the one for you to know that. Yeah, he's. He's got medical stuff. I know he's got stuff. And then Swinson, who. We already brought up Swinson's character.

[D]

Yeah. Okay.

[I]

But it looks good for running back. Looks good for defensive tackle.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

They didn't touch my running back. They didn't hurt me at Running back.

[I]

They really got Teddy Buchanan still there.

[D]

I'd love to.

[I]

I'm going to throw a party when he gets taken.

[D]

I'd love to have Teddy be.

[I]

That'd be awesome.

[F]

I think everybody had the same idea about running backs. Just, you know, there's so many of them get, you know, just get one later. But, man, Cowboys, we're not picking till 149.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

So that don't. That doesn't benefit us at all.

[C]

Well, that's kind of wild that you. You bring that up. They've only taken six running backs off the board. Gentleman.

[D]

This thing might stretch.

[I]

They might get lucky.

[D]

I think you might get some fourth round guys there in the fifth round.

[F]

My third round guys are Samson, Smith, Giddens and Crosky Merritt. Then we got James, Blue, Hunter, Tutin and Martinez and Allen and Neil. Like, there's names here.

[B]

Jaden Blue has medical and character.

[D]

Okay. Yeah.

[F]

What's out in Texas, Bobby, Let me.

[D]

Just send you my board and just mark off all the dudes that got.

[B]

I'll actually do that for you if you want.

[D]

Might as well not have me here.

[I]

Well, day three, that's when you. You'd be open.

[B]

Look, I'll say this, I'll say this. If it's a Texas player there, they're. They're going to have character or medical. One of them, sometimes both. Look, we're trying to win over there, okay?

[I]

I wish we could just have a bunch of fours, man. Like, let's go get C.J. west. Let's get us some Jalen Royals and then let's add in whichever runner you want. If it's Tootin, I'm in on that. If it's Jordan James, Dylan Sampson, etn, Jordan James.

[D]

If. Okay, let me guys ask you guys this question then, because tomorrow you don't have a four. You're not. You're going to sit this one out for right now.

[C]

Now.

[D]

But if you could. If I could give you a pick in the fourth round, I could. I trade back in. I get you a pick. Don't take Sanders. Give me the guy that you would take with that pick.

[C]

How far up are you?

[D]

It doesn't matter. Just. Just. You have a fourth round. You just like, I. I am targeting this guy.

[C]

Jalen Royce. Yeah, it would be Jalen Royals, Utah State.

[I]

Utah State.

[C]

Not even close.

[I]

Definitely.

[C]

It fills the need that you haven't addressed yet, and it gives you somebody that you can pair with. CD Lamb.

[D]

I got Royals in the city.

[C]

I did, too.

[B]

Regardless of position, we're not talking?

[D]

No, just. I'm going to give you a chance to get back in this draft in the fourth round and just take somebody off your board other than Sanders.

[F]

I would go. C.J.

[D]

West, the defensive tackle, I'd be okay with.

[I]

I love C.J.

[B]

I mean, I would be thrilled with Samson Tutin or Jordan James. Like, give me one of the running backs up there.

[F]

Something in my mind makes me feel like the Cowboys have a plan for wide receiver. There's no way we're just going to walk into this thing with the wire receivers that we have right now. So if they're drafting just on the best guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

And they're going to find it looks.

[D]

Like that's what they have right now.

[I]

Which I commend them for doing.

[F]

Yeah.

[I]

I think that's how you have good drafts.

[F]

So we have corner knocked out. We got a ton of running backs that we can. That we can feel good about. A ton of one takes, a few one takes that we feel good about. It only makes sense that wide receiver would be the one situation that goes outside of the draft because at this point, I don't think you have anybody that's really pushing for wide receiver two right now. Apparently they love Mingo. We know Shotty loves Tobert, and I don't think there's anybody right here, talent wise, that could really push those guys. Burton was a guy that can come in with so much talent that he can push some of your favorite guys. I think some of the wide receivers we have right now, I don't think that they're pushing anybody. However, all these running backs can push the running backs that's on this roster right now. Right now, CJ west is pushing Mozzie right now. Jordan Phillips is pushing. Josh Farmer is pushing Mozzie right now. And even though you drafted Rebel, I don't know if he's going to be a day one guy for you. So I still think there's a lot, you know, there's a lot of room to get Quincy Riley and just let him come play nickel for you.

[I]

I'd love to get Robert longer beam.

[F]

Melodys and from Rutgers.

[I]

I mentioned that earlier. I think he. He'd be an excellent player. If you want. If you want to keep Daron Bland outside and you need somebody that can play, I think longer beam can be that guy for you.

[D]

Can I interest anybody in Walker from Kentucky at this point? Absolutely.

[F]

I think now's the time to start talking about it.

[C]

Yep, absolutely.

[F]

But. But to that point, though, I think Farmer would have to be Gone for me because at least I feel good about farmer C.J.

[C]

West.

[F]

Phyllis would have to be going. If I'm wiped at One Tech and Walker's there, then we could talk about Walker.

[I]

You want to get real crazy?

[F]

Let's talk about it.

[I]

What if you took Seth McLaughlin, the center from Ohio State?

[F]

They'll hate that. But we high five. And in this month, now.

[I]

Now we're just going ahead and we're retooling this thing.

[F]

We high five.

[I]

Let's make some calls. Maybe we make a move. Maybe we trade a tackle. That might not be working out for you. I don't know. Or.

[D]

Or.

[I]

Or we just compete the heck out of this thing and literally whoever is the best man wins. And we're great. We are loaded along the offensive line.

[F]

Put Tyler Guy and Beckett, tight end. Okay.

[I]

Okay.

[F]

All right.

[I]

Okay. I like this.

[F]

Running like that. And put. And put big Tyler at left tight tackle. BB at left guard.

[B]

What you saying?

[D]

Put.

[I]

And then McLaughlin at center.

[F]

Put him at center.

[I]

Booker at right guard. And then, hey, I mean, you could even move Guyton and Steel can. You want. You want to compete at right tackle? I mean, competition.

[C]

You're talking crazy.

[I]

Iron sharpens iron.

[F]

Terrence winning.

[C]

You guys are crazy.

[I]

It is crazy. But it might be the best center.

[D]

We have time. We kill. We vampire.

[C]

We're killing time until the press conference.

[D]

We're vamping. Okay, here we go. Who's the player right now, as you look at your board that you feel the most wrong about?

[I]

That has been taken.

[D]

It has not been taken.

[C]

Has not been taken.

[D]

And you know. And you didn't know about the injury stuff you can't kill yourself about.

[B]

I have Sawyer higher like Sawyer should have gone.

[D]

And I'm not talking about Sanders. Take. Take Sanders out of this.

[B]

Jack Sawyer was. Jack Sawyer was 52 for me. So that's been really wrong so far. I mean, we're into the hundreds now.

[I]

Maybe I guess Jordan Phillips, the defensive tackle from Indiana.

[C]

I'd say Jeffrey Basa from Oregon. Linebacker.

[I]

I like Boss a lot, too.

[C]

I had him in the top 70. And I mean, here we are with. With a 100 pick on the board, and I don't know if a team that's going to take him immediately right off the jump.

[D]

Why do I feel like I'm wrong about Helm from Texas?

[C]

Gunner Helm, tight end.

[B]

Yeah, you're not. This is.

[D]

Oh, is he another character?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying the league from Texas. Yeah, I know. No, the league.

[D]

All the Texas guys had it Helm.

[B]

Was a guy that, that I had asked about a few different times leading up to the process. Helm was generally considered a fourth by most people.

[D]

I, I, well, okay, I got him in the third.

[I]

How about Ty Robinson from Nebraska? That guy's still hanging around. You think he loves football?

[F]

He watched film by himself.

[I]

I think he might, man. He might be a good guy to bring in here.

[F]

What about these edges, man? Swinson, Sorrell, Canard, Kyle Canard. I got those guys in the second. They just kind of.

[I]

I loved Kyle Canard. I might be wrong about him, I thought, I mean, as a pass rush.

[F]

Eli Roberts, smu. I like him a bunch and he's just kind of sitting here on the board.

[C]

The only edge rusher I have that's inside the top 100 that hasn't been taken is Jack Sawyer. That's the only guy.

[I]

Yeah, I had Sawyer in the third.

[C]

I have a third on him as well.

[F]

When is Howling? Sawyer has a lot of people. I got him in the third too though.

[B]

Sorrell was from people. I talked to a fourth. Canard and Swenson were both fourth, fifth, and they both had character issues.

[D]

Sure, sure. The whole damn board's got characteristics.

[B]

I'm just gonna, I'm just.

[D]

The guys talking about the drafts got characteristics.

[B]

Listen, you are becoming the Cincinnati Bengals more and more every day.

[D]

You see what the Baltimore Ravens did?

[F]

The Ravens want to win ball games.

[D]

Damn right they do.

[B]

Yeah, they want to win all the ball games up until like January 20th.

[D]

My man Ozzie new some over there, him, while we're talking, he's still helping him somehow.

[C]

While we're talking about it, let's talk about some of the draft classes that have started to take shape here. I mean, Baltimore only has two picks, but Malachi Starks and Mike Green are the two picks for the Ravens.

[F]

Specifically, I think the Cowboys got some good ass picks. And I ain't just saying this because, you know, you know, you know, because we're here, but you know, wearing polos. Ravel, Booker, Donovan, Easy and Revel. I mean, yeah, I mean, however you got it set up, those are two first round grades in a second, maybe two seconds and a one for us like that, like that's a pretty good. I think we got good value for those guys.

[B]

I mean, I do like what the Raiders got a bunch of players. I like Ashton Genty, Jack Besh, Darien Porter, Charles Grant, Caleb Rogers, and they got extra picks and trades. I, I like what the Raiders have done.

[C]

I kind of like what Kansas City.

[D]

I was Going to ask you what? Kansas City. It seemed like every time.

[C]

Josh Simmons, Noel Williams, Omar Norman, Lot and Ashton Jelotti for Kansas City.

[D]

Okay, Gelati. I would have.

[I]

I wasn't that high on Jalan.

[C]

That's the only one out of those.

[D]

Four that he was a hair on fire guy.

[I]

He is.

[D]

He is clearly a hair on fire guy.

[C]

I mean, the.

[D]

What are the Chargers? Do I asked about them or they go all skill.

[C]

A Marion Hampton, Trey Harris, Jamari Caldwell.

[D]

Okay, so they went to skill and a defensive tack.

[C]

How about the New York Giants? Abdul Carter, Jackson, dart and then Darius Alexander. I know how we feel about the dart pick, but Darius Alexander there in the third.

[I]

And the Eagles with Campbell and Makuba. That's a pain in the butt.

[C]

Yeah, Campbell and Andrew Makuba, Harmon and.

[I]

Johnson to the Steelers. I mean, are those two Steelers right there? Man, those fit.

[C]

Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay. A Mecca Buca, Benjamin Morrison and Jacob Parrish.

[B]

I don't hate.

[I]

Oh, wow.

[C]

That's probably my favorite draft.

[I]

Tampa is probably my favorite draft.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, if Chicago just would have taken Warren instead of Loveland, I would really love theirs because it's Loveland. Burden, Tropeo and Shamar turn Turner.

[C]

What about Seattle? Nick Emin, Worry Elijah Arroyo, Gray Zable and Jalen Milro.

[I]

I like Zabel and Arroyo a lot. I mean, Milro's not bad. There in the third round where they took Snyder.

[B]

Can't help himself, can he, with those running backs?

[H]

No.

[D]

God, no.

[B]

He had to take Miller.

[D]

They're like, the new coach is like, what are you doing? I'm handing in a running back.

[B]

You think that was his way to trick them? He told me was a quarter.

[C]

What are you doing?

[D]

He told everybody to get out of the room. I'm taking over. Damn, John. He can't help himself.

[B]

Did you know when you were working with him, was he like really obsessed with running backs then? Or did that come later? Yeah.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[F]

Hell yeah.

[D]

Hell yeah. He used to, like, spat up his shoes. He'd be in the draft room, he'd spat his shoes up like he was Walter Payton.

[B]

Did he have like a Barry Foster f like, poster hanging up in his office?

[D]

Oh, yeah. He had the towel hanging off the back of his slacks.

[B]

Big Amp Lee guy.

[C]

I mean, looking at some of these other ones. Cleveland, Mason Graham, Carson. Swinger.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Harold Fannin Jr. Quinn, John Juan and Dylan Gabriel. Kind of a wild card.

[B]

That's not bad.

[C]

Four picks are great.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. I've. I like Mason Graham, but I Felt like they could have done something. If they're going to flip away from Hunter. I don't like jumping away from Hunter just for Mason Graham. Like, I would hope you would have something bigger in mind that you were swinging for than just a guy who I think is going to be good, but is really. Out of all the first round players I graded and he was one of them, I think he was probably the most vanilla. Just I felt like kind of generic first round type.

[D]

How many teams gave up first round for next year? I'm sorry.

[B]

Falcons, Falcons. Did.

[C]

I think that's it.

[D]

The Falcons with only one. One.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

First Jacksonville.

[I]

The Jacksonville. Yeah. Jacksonville not have to do Cleveland. Maybe they didn't.

[C]

I think so.

[B]

No. They did give up a first, didn't they, for next year? Yeah, I think so.

[I]

Those would be the two then?

[C]

Yeah, that would be the only other one of that.

[B]

Did you guys read the story of how that trade came together, by the way?

[I]

No.

[B]

That trade was made.

[D]

Was like involved.

[B]

It was made three weeks ago.

[D]

Oh, was it really?

[B]

It was made three weeks ago and it was dependent on Cam Ward going number one. And if Cammore didn't go number one, then they were nixing the trade. Cleveland was, and they were picking Ward. But if Ward went number one, then they would find. They would agree to the deal. But Travis Hunter said he didn't talk to the Jaguars one time.

[D]

Yeah, my guys in Jacksonville yesterday morning were. And they were. They were talking to me about. They're like, listen, there's three different ways we're going to go here. And I was like, okay, we're going to try and go up. If we stay, we're going to pick Genty, and if we go back, we're going to probably pick McMillan. And that's kind of where I'm like, well, okay, these guys don't. They haven't lied to me in years. So I was like, you know, I was not. It was not surprising to me. I mean, I tried to kind of was talking to Dane Brugler. I said, dane, who is Cleveland taking? He's like. And Dane's like, man, I don't see them making that trade. And I said, well, Dane, you might need to call some people because I think this is about to happen.

[B]

Jags did trade next year's one.

[C]

Okay, so two. Two teams.

[B]

So two teams.

[D]

Yeah. You wonder about that. Which one of those teams, you know, which one of the teams is going to. Absolutely. Is who's going to benefit the most out of that? Is Jacksonville going to Benefit the most with the player they got or is Atlanta.

[B]

I'd rather be in Jacksonville shoes. I'd rather. I'd rather take the swing on the guy who I feel like is 100% with certainty the best player in the draft.

[C]

Yeah. And the three picks for Atlanta, Jalen Walker, Xavier Watts and James Pierce Jr that's who they had. It's not a bad draft.

[D]

That's not a bad draft either.

[C]

But they don't have the capital moving forward.

[I]

I mean, I think that the Pierce trade was a little silly, what they gave up for him. But if you're talking about we needed pass rushers, they got two really good ones. And Xavier Watts we love and think is tremendous value. There might not be a more boom or bust draft than what what Arizona did with Walter Nolan, Will Johnson and then Jordan Birch, the Oregon edge.

[D]

Yeah. I told you that. That with Arizona, their pick at 24 and 25. Those are. I mean, they went back to back.

[I]

Yeah.

[D]

24Th best player on my stack and 25th best player on my stack.

[I]

So a lot of talent there.

[D]

Yeah, a lot of talent on that.

[F]

So listen, let me just. Let me just ask y' all a question, man. Do you think the Cowboys are going to look at Mingo and then look at us. Us and say, well, I think he's better than any wide receiver that's left on his.

[D]

Oh, I was worried about that could be happening. I was worried because I was thinking that there was going to be a press conference, you know, leading up to the draft, and they were going to tell us the value of Mingo and Tolbert and all that and.

[B]

But they did do the opposite. I mean, Steven said pretty consistently we need a number two receiver.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, they sure did.

[B]

So I mean, that'd be tough to sell it now and say that it's Mingo because why wasn't it two months ago, that kind of thing.

[C]

Are you a little surprised with the fact that. That of course, Brian Schottenheim are talking about building from the outside in.

[D]

I think he was. I think he was pulling our chain.

[C]

Flipping a little bit from the inside out.

[D]

No, he just.

[C]

First two picks were on the line of scrimmage.

[D]

It's kind of like I think they're getting us on this pin and pull stuff too.

[B]

So I think the inside out. Yeah, I don't think I always felt like that was a misunderstanding of shot. Well, in all this, I actually thought like people were misunderstanding what Schottheim were saying when he said. Said he builds outside in. I took that to mean that. And then when he explained it a little bit more that he meant not I go receivers and then I go inside to the trenches. He meant it as receivers, then tight ends, tackles, then guards, ends, then tackles, outside linebackers, inside corners, then safeties. I'm like.

[D]

But I'm like, what?

[B]

No, like, basically I'm saying that when you talk about pass catchers, what matters are the guys on the outside more than the time. Tight ends, the corners matter more than the safeties to him. The ends matter more than the tackle stint. That's what he meant by outside in. He means in those specific position groups. The outside on the island is what matters.

[F]

Per unit is what you say.

[B]

Yeah, it's per unit. It was not necessarily. He values receivers more than he values the offensive line. I don't think that's what he meant.

[F]

Yeah, I got you.

[C]

It's a good time to talk about Miller Light while we're waiting here. We have some in the back.

[B]

No, Tommy drank all of it.

[C]

So we do.

[D]

Tommy old enough at all.

[F]

I would like to have a taste of fair.

[C]

50 years of legendary moments for Miller Light. Legendary stories start with a light is how we kind of believe it here. But yeah, had some Miller time moments last night. Got to toast the pick. And special thanks for always sponsoring our NFL draft coverage. It only makes sense. Draft party, draft show, draft coverage with Miller Light. So special thanks to our friends over in Miller Light. Apparently the. The front office is still in the war room talking through tomorrow's stuff. So this press conference is going to be delayed a little bit here. Anywhere that you guys want to go, specifically whenever it comes to the NFL draft. Tomorrow could be what happened today. I mean, I feel like at this point it's kind of all up in the air because there are seven picks on the board tomorrow for the Cowboys. Do you anticipate the them making all seven picks?

[I]

I think they got to try and be aggressive to get up in the fourth.

[C]

Is there enough to where you can trade up into the fourth? I guess we can see on the trade chart.

[I]

No, like the sixes and a. Like how many. What would it take to get up there? Could you give up a five and a six?

[C]

I don't know if that's enough to.

[I]

Move up maybe a seven.

[B]

I mean, they're 60 picks away. Like they're back.

[I]

They're far.

[H]

Yeah, it's kind.

[D]

I'm. Yeah. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. I see some teams with multiple picks.

[B]

I don't know. Do they do. They look at the. Are they looking at. When they talk about potential trades out there, the running back market, the trade value is not very high. DeAndre Swift was one of the last big running backs that got moved a few years ago and he got moved for a fourth and a seventh swap. And so do they feel like, is there a running back out there on the market that they feel comfortable. One of our fifths can get us that tomorrow. We can make a swap for a veteran running back that's on the block.

[D]

Block that. I was hearing the name Bree Hall.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Are we allowed to do that?

[B]

I don't think so. That's why I wasn't saying.

[I]

Yeah, he's definitely out there.

[F]

Bran. Bran Hall.

[C]

Some guy named in college.

[D]

Sorry B.

[F]

In high school.

[C]

Just down the hall.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Just down the hall.

[D]

Yeah.

[I]

That's just breezing down the hall.

[C]

That's what, that's where you heard the room.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

If you had a hypothetical wide receiver.

[I]

Can I come up with if you.

[F]

Had a hypothetical wide receiver and say that this team wanted to trade him for a third or something like that? We're in day three now and all we got is fives.

[B]

Like what's the. Brian, what is it? If you're trading a year out, it loses. So like a second is more a second. Next year is like a third this year.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So yeah, you may have to do a two next year.

[F]

I don't think they're going to trade future picks for any six foot wide receivers that run fast or anything like that. But if you keep drafting, you basically run out of trade capital, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[I]

Yeah.

[F]

So at some point, at some point you got to have a conversation, say, all right, do we stop drafting here to at least entertain trading. We just can't keep going through the trade then be like, oh well, we'll.

[C]

I mean you could trade next year's fourth.

[F]

They love to do that. That's their favorite move.

[C]

Kyle, I just, I mean, you can.

[D]

Think about too maybe the potential. Maybe they're pretty good at adding up the compensatory stuff too. Yeah, you just got to get somebody. I, if personally, if I'm a team and I'm coming in tomorrow and I'm looking at my board, I still want to draft. I'm not interested in taking next year's picks to, you know, to just to sit out, sit out a pick. I'm. I'm kind of looking at my board like, you know what, I want to keep going here because I feel like looking at. I mentioned, I mean Third round guys. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have some third round guys for, you know, in the fourth round. I'm probably gonna have some fourth round guys in the fifth. I mean, this thing, this board, I think, is going to stretch for me in the third and fourth rounds.

[B]

How beneficial is. Has the ice cream factor been, Brian, that when we all talk about, hey, 10 to 40 and stuff like that, if it's all crammed together.

[I]

Yeah.

[B]

Teams across the league right now might feel like we got three of our top guys here. And it's just because if they're all together and it's the ice cream factor, then every team ends up feeling really good about how they evaluated it and how they separated the.

[D]

I just. I. Bobby, you made a good point. I'm just probably taking it in another direction here. I wonder how many teams. I wonder if all these running backs are going to get drafted.

[B]

I mean, that's what happened last year.

[D]

I wonder if they're all going to get drafted leftovers there. Yeah. And I wonder if some of these guys are actually going to get into, you know, teams like. Okay, I just see so many of these running backs on the board. Do all of them get drafted?

[I]

See, I've got some ptsd. Last year we just watched the fourth round and then all of a sudden it just was.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I thought you were saying, are they going to get drafted? When you said, are they going to get drafted, I thought you meant, like, before they pick in the fifth round, I was gonna say that's what happened this year was they hit the fourth round and that's when it was like four out of five picks in a row were the four running backs we were talking about hopefully fall into them. And then right before it got to their fifth round pick, the last guy we were looking at I felt like was Tyrone Tracy. And then he got scooped.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, it was right at the end of the fourth round. It was Shipley, Davis, Grindo, Irving. I mean, all those guys.

[B]

Robinson. It was Texas.

[I]

Yeah. Yeah. That was a big one. That was shocking, really.

[C]

It was jarring. Pick between 120 and 130. Last year, five running backs went off the board for between 120 and 1 30. The same exact thing can happen. Same exact thing. Because of the way this class is stacked. And at some point you got to look at your board and you might have said, up to this point, oh, we can snag a running back later. If you're one of these teams that needs running back, Cowboys might be in that same very boat. You get into it and you say, okay, now, we can't wait until later. We got to snag one now, and the Cowboys just don't have a pick at this point.

[D]

Is there going to be a run on, say, these one technique? Defensive tackles before running back? Running run. When you're talking about Walker, West, Phillips, those kinds of guys.

[B]

I mean the D tackles.

[I]

Yeah, I mean both. I mean both those positions, though.

[D]

Stretching and throw. Okay, take. Take both tackles. Take Walker, Peebles, West, Farmer, Peggies, Phillips. You know, are we going to see a run on those guys before you see a run on running back?

[B]

Perhaps. How many third and fourth round defensive tackles do you have left?

[C]

I have two third rounders left. One Walker and Walker in the third.

[D]

At a one technique. I have west and Phillips in the fourth at one technique, but then as three techniques. Peebles, Farmer, Peace.

[B]

Since we're. Since we're filling time here, here, before we get going, do you think all your third and fourth round defensive tackles get picked before Shador Sanders?

[I]

Oh, geez. Maybe.

[B]

No, I don't know. I. I didn't think there was a chance he was getting past like five picks today.

[I]

We've also only had, what, three linebackers go.

[B]

Did you, by the way, did you guys see the Shador Sanders story? Maybe?

[C]

Which one?

[B]

He. Him getting pranked?

[I]

No.

[B]

Somebody got his phone number and called him and faked like they were a GM telling him he was getting picked. And it was on a live. Live stream.

[I]

Oh, no. So he got excited.

[B]

Yeah. And then the guy said, you're gonna have to wait a little longer, and then hung up.

[D]

Oh, geez.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

So now. Now I think everybody just feels bad for me.

[C]

That's tough.

[F]

That's terrible.

[C]

That's tough.

[F]

That's trash.

[D]

I. I think I've got a pocket of. I've got a pocket of those kind of those 1990 linebackers.

[B]

Oh, yeah, like Jason Gilbert Paul.

[D]

There's a lot of linebackers. Dutchman's a medical, right?

[B]

Did I Stutzman's. But I mean, I think he's still. I don't think his issues are too much for Simon.

[D]

I got those pockets of those kind of those inside plugger off, downhill run linebacker.

[I]

And then you got the bosses, The Chris Paul, Jr. Barrett Carter, Teddy Buchanan. I mean, you know, let's just have Teddy Buchanan be the guy that falls to the 5th.

[D]

I would love Teddy Buchanan.

[I]

Let's just get Teddy.

[F]

I think the. The run on backs is probably most likely to happen because just looking at all these groups. I just think the backs are the.

[I]

They're the best players. They're the best players.

[C]

I agree with you.

[F]

They're just better dudes at this point. So I think they're going to fly and to Bobby's ice cream point, you know. Yeah, you can. You can favor three guys, but, like, every team's going to have a different top three or whatever. And I think that's even more reason, like the Cowboys be like, all right, Pittsburgh, take your guy. And then 49ers were like, sure, take your guy. And every. And they're just going to keep taking guys. I think. I think the runs going to be stupid.

[D]

Okay, the running backs, real quick there. Of the running backs you have say in your third round, who are you the most surprised is getting to the fourth?

[F]

Samson.

[B]

Samson. I. Yeah, I don't know how Samson's still on the board.

[C]

Yeah, right there.

[I]

Samson.

[B]

And there's. You know, remember we talked about this actually, the first time you brought up Sampson this season was we brought up the point of there was some chatter about our hypo guys, guys who play in the hype. Are they starting to get dinged by the NFL a little bit of like, are they system players, Tennessee players?

[I]

I've had issues with them translating the wide receivers and even like, I.

[B]

So that may be why Sampson's maybe.

[I]

Like, I loved Jalen Wright last year. Like, he was my guy. And I mean, he. It wasn't. He stunk as a rookie with the Dolphins, but it wasn't quite as strong as I was hoping for.

[C]

Dante Thornton is still on the board, too, as a wide receiver. Same sort of.

[D]

I. I kind of like Thornton myself. I mean, I am in the fourth.

[B]

Round, but Jalen Hyatt, Cedric Tillman, Jalen Wright, Villis Jones, like, these are all Tennessee players recently who have not panned out for. From their offensive. And so, yeah, it may just be that the league is looking more skeptical at them.

[I]

If you had to hope a wide receiver falls to you that you think could be like that wide receiver to none of them. None of them.

[B]

There's not a wide receiver too, on.

[I]

The board other than Royals.

[D]

Royals.

[B]

Royals is not a wide receiver, too, to me.

[I]

You don't think so?

[F]

AO Manor.

[I]

I like a Manor.

[B]

I mean, I just don't. There's enough teams that seem freaked by the medicals that I just don't. I don't know what to think about.

[I]

Something about Torrey Horton, man, that Colorado State that just kind of like, hey, I'm here.

[D]

I kind of feel that way about, believe it or not, about Nash or Hudson. Hudson. Hudson from Toby Hudson.

[I]

I like both those guys.

[C]

I like Thornton from, from Tennessee, but I don't know if he would be a wide receiver, too. There's a lot of work that's he's.

[I]

I mean, the deep ball is awesome. I just don't know that he's got anything else going for him yet.

[C]

I agree.

[I]

He could develop it.

[C]

All right, it appears that the the front office is working their way into the press conference room here in the next couple of seconds.

[F]

Let's go catch.

[C]

I want to just set things up for tomorrow. Kind of set the table. 1:49, 1:74 in the fifth round. No fourth round pick for the Cowboys to start tomorrow. However, our coverage will start at 10am Central Time. You don't want to miss the hour from 10am to 11. It's one of the coolest hours of the weekend. We're going to get to hear from position coaches, scouts, front office members. It's going to be be a full hour of interviews and conversations about what has happened already this weekend and what could happen moving into day three. And then the sixth round and seventh round as well. And now there's the press conference that is working their way into the press conference room at the moment. Fifth round, sixth round, seventh round picks. Seven of them there. Here's the press press conference.

[F]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names.

[B]

Now let's get into the serious stuff.

[A]

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[B]

Also made with some Daisy sour cream.

[A]

Daisy sour cream is a long standing.

[C]

Staple for Taco Tuesday.

[A]

They also have daisy ranch dip.

[F]

So get out there and give Daisy.

[C]

French onion dip a try.

[A]

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