Draft Show: Stay Put or Trade Out?

Summary

The Draft Show: Stay Put or Trade Out?

Podcast: The Draft Show (DallasCowboys.com)
Episode: Draft Show: Stay Put or Trade Out?
Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Aisha Morrison, Chris Beem, Voch Lombardi (plus Tommy Yarish & Nick Harris)
Context: Analysis and debate on the Dallas Cowboys’ strategies for the 2025 NFL Draft, including whether to keep or trade their top picks, roster needs, and key takeaways from the Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl.

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the Dallas Cowboys’ draft options just 79 days before the 2025 NFL Draft. The hosts review the strengths and weaknesses of this year's draft class, dissect whether the team should "stick and pick" or trade out of their current draft slots, and reflect on standout players from recent showcase games. Lively debate, team banter, and detailed scouting insights drive a fast-paced and informative hour.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. 2025 Draft Class Overview

• Differing Positions of Strength:

  • Linebacker, defensive line (especially edge), and cornerback positions are stronger and deeper than recent years.
  • Offensive line and quarterback classes are considered weak or “down” compared to previous drafts.
  • Running back and wide receiver depth are both called “thin,” with Jeremiah Love a standout at RB.

  “This linebacker class... sneakily has some great players. This defensive line, especially with the edge position, [has] some depth. The cornerback class is deep, solid.”
  — Aisha Morrison [03:14]

• Disappointing Offensive Talent Pool:

  • Comprehensive first-round offensive line options are lacking.
  • Few (if any) superstar playmakers at the top of the WR or RB lists.

• Impact of Quarterbacks Returning to School:

  • Dante Moore and others going back to college means fewer QBs to push talent “down” the board.

2. Cowboys’ Draft Capital – Day Two Frustration

• Lack of 2nd and 3rd Round Picks:

  • The absence of day two picks is “hurting,” limiting flexibility in value-rich rounds.

  “The lack of a Day 2 pick is hurting you right now. And then when you think about where those went, you feel okay... but I’m right there with you.”
  — Kyle Yeomans & Aisha Morrison [05:48-06:01]

• The hosts agree that the 3rd and 4th rounds will hold significant value, especially due to the draft’s positional distribution and the lack of elite QBs.

3. Stick and Pick vs. Trading Back

• Stick and Pick (“Captain Stay Put”):

  • Kyle and Voch argue for sticking and selecting difference makers, referencing recent Cowboys history (e.g. Micah Parsons).
  • Benefits: Secure great defensive talent, avoid the loss of “real” first-round grades.

  “You’re going to have 13 or 14, maybe upwards of 18 first round grades... Confidence level is high [at 12]; you might get one at 20.”
  — Kyle Yeomans [07:09]

• Trade Back:

  • Some scenarios suggest flipping picks for additional 2nd and/or 3rd round selections, but risk missing out on top-tier talent.
  • Trading down works best if a team is desperate to move up for a QB or high-profile WR, which may not happen given this year’s board.

  “If you want to maximize your trade back, you better hope somebody likes one of these quarterbacks to move up to 20 to get them.”
  — Chris Beem [42:40]

  • Cowboys’ Usual Practice:

    • Historically, Dallas makes minimal draft position moves, rarely trading back for huge hauls.

    “Even when they drafted Micah and they traded back, they went back two spots... When they traded back and drafted Tyler Guyton, they went down five spots. They’re not making these massive jumps.”
    — Kyle Yeomans [17:45]

  • On Mock Drafts and Trade Scenarios:

    • Hosts dislike speculative, unrealistic trades, pointing out most mock simulators don’t reflect actual league dynamics.

    “I hate mock draft... Just not the way that people do them, nine times out of ten, it’s not gonna happen like that.”
    — Aisha Morrison [18:18]

4. Best Player Available (BPA) Philosophy

• Emphasis on BPA:

  • Both the front office and hosts stress the importance of drafting the best player available, regardless of short-term roster needs.

    “Despite the fact that we know there’s an emphasis on defense, they are not ruling [out] that offense. As much as it makes me itch... if we want them to go BPA, we need them to go BPA.”
    — Aisha Morrison [11:00]

5. Running Back and Free Agency Considerations

• Dallas’s RB situation is murky; the show agrees the position has been devalued recently, but the right prospect (like Jeremiah Love) would be welcomed if the board falls that way.

• The viability of “going RB early” hinges on free agency moves—especially if Javonte is or isn’t brought back.

• The hosts debate the merits of balancing rookie and veteran (e.g. Javonte Williams) RBs.

  “Because one thing about Javonte—you see what happened to Genti this year, right? You need both [rookie and veteran].”
  — Aisha Morrison [14:10]

6. Doubling Up & Drafting by Position

• If “wiped out” (many board targets gone), which positions would you double-up?
  • D-Line: Most likely, with the logic of creating a strength and future-proofing the roster.
  • Linebacker: Only if top talents fall; still, there are reservations about reaching for LB at 20.

“If I double down, I’ll take two linebackers. If it’s—”
— Chris Beem, [25:58]
“I don’t feel comfortable taking either one of those guys in the first round despite the talent... But I just think, I just don’t think it lines up that way.”
— Aisha Morrison [28:39]

7. Current State of the Linebacker Room

• Discussion of who has true "MIKE" (middle linebacker) potential;
• CJ Allen and Anthony Hill, Jr. mentioned—questions about size and scheme fit.
• Marist Liufau’s role remains unclear—uncertainty about whether he can or should be “the guy” for Dallas.

8. George Pickens Contract Scenario

• Debate over how much not extending Pickens should shift draft priorities to WR—consensus is defense remains the true “emergency.”

• Strong argument for paying Pickens quickly to avoid distractions:

  “Let’s just get it done. Let’s not try to win the negotiation here... You’re at your best when everybody’s at camp, happy, paid, participating.”
  — Chris Beem [34:03]

• Hosts dismiss “character” concerns about Pickens, asserting positive locker-room impact and competitive fire.

9. Trade-Back Compensation in Practice

• Actual NFL trades for picks in 12-20 range rarely yield current-year 2nd or 3rd rounders unless a team is desperate (often for a QB).
• Most returns include a later first, a day two pick, and a future high pick.

10. Senior Bowl & Shrine Bowl Standouts

• Trenches Dominated by Pass Rushers:
  • Edge players outperformed offensive linemen; concern about whether Senior Bowl offensive linemen will translate well to the NFL.
• Max Ehanachor (Arizona State OT):
  • Showed impressive size, movement, and technique; projected as a potential third-round pick but may rise.
• Other O-Lines Discussed:
  • Jake Slaughter (Florida), Jeremiah Wright (Auburn), Cooper Rutledge (Georgia Tech), Jennings Dunker (Iowa) – each with notable skill sets and sometimes position versatility.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I just want the Cowboys to get it right. There's a lot of players that's in that range that I probably won't be feeling. ... Where Cowboy fans get down is when they ask us, well, can we get a Michael Parsons-type guy at 12 this year? And we're like, well, nah, but you can get a nice safety or something.”
  — Chris Beem [03:27]

• “Every time I'm watching [the draft class], I find out somebody that I maybe didn't notice before and they might go to a smaller school or whatever, but they're talented.”
  — Aisha Morrison [04:53]

• “Quit playing. Just take the pick.”
  — Kyle Yeomans [15:45]

• “Put your parts on the table and just take 'em. So that's where I'm at.”
  — Chris Beem [16:29]

• “I don't like the uncertainty... Draft night is so unpredictable.”
  — Aisha Morrison on mock drafts [18:24]

• “You probably have a really good time [at Monster Jam]. People just get drunk and watch and scream.”
  — Aisha Morrison [24:41] (comic relief)

• “If you want to maximize your trade back, you better hope somebody likes one of these quarterbacks to move up to 20 to get them.”
  — Chris Beem [42:40]

• “I feel like this third, fourth round is going to be really rich.”
  — Aisha Morrison [06:01]

• “They need to hit on these picks. They need to hit on these picks.”
  — Aisha Morrison [16:55]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:14: Overview: Strong positions (LB, Edge, CB) in the draft
• 05:48: The pain of lacking 2nd & 3rd round picks
• 07:09: Debate: “Stick and pick” vs. “trade back” philosophy
• 11:00: Importance of BPA and not forcing picks by need
• 14:10: RB room, free agency, and balancing rookie/veteran backs
• 17:45: Cowboys’ historical draft trade tendencies; “Captain stay put”
• 18:18: Host disdain for unrealistic mock drafts
• 25:24: Which position would you “double up” on if wiped out?
• 28:39: LB position analysis; discussion of Hill and Allen
• 34:03: Pickens contract discussion, WR draft urgency, and “pay your stars”
• 42:40: What “real” trade-back value looks like at picks 12, 20
• 49:37: Senior Bowl recap: edge rusher dominance & OL prospects
• 53:28: Max Ehanachor scouting report (Arizona State OT)
• 62:27: Jennings Dunker (Iowa OL) discussed
• 66:13: Episode wrap-up and preview of next show

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Language & Tone

The hosts bring a friendly, fast-paced, slightly irreverent Cowboys-centric energy. They balance insider scouting language with fan-oriented metaphors ("put your parts on the table"), relatable draft anxiety, and dry humor around mock drafts and pick speculation.

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Conclusion

This episode provides a comprehensive, realistic, and often entertaining look into the Cowboys’ 2025 draft strategy, emphasizing prudence, the value of staying put barring exceptional offers, and a BPA approach to roster construction. The hosts blend film analysis, scouting philosophy, and Cowboys front office trends, making it an essential listen (or read) for fans tracking how Dallas might build its next contender.

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

This is the Dallas Cowboys.com draft show.

[Chris Beem]

Your war room for insider news and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frisco.

[Chris Beem]

Now, your hosts, Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish and Kyle Yeomans. Today is Tuesday, February 3rd, and we are 79 days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome in to the draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Welcome back into the SWBC studios. We are live this week. Glad to be back from the Senior Bowl. Had a great week and glad to be rejoined by Vach Lombardi, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. It's also the triumphant draft show return of one Aisha Morrison.

[Aisha Morrison]

Welcome back, Aisha. I did not miss that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You didn't miss the countdown.

[Aisha Morrison]

I do not miss the countdown.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Brian and Fox don't do that on your show. Zach's not pointing out the amount of.

[Chris Beem]

Days his time is running out and I don't want to be reminded.

[Aisha Morrison]

See, he got that. That's why I used to get stressed out, because he'd be like, it's only 30 days left. I'm like, oh, Jesus, I ain't through the fifth.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It gets you on your p's and Q's, though, right? Like, it gets you locked in.

[Aisha Morrison]

It stressed me now because I'm not a baby no more, but when I was a baby, I've been through it a couple times.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's funny. I do remember the first time I did that. You were like, stop.

[Sports Announcer]

Don't say that.

[Chris Beem]

Quit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But yeah, glad to have you back, Aisha. How's it going?

[Aisha Morrison]

That's good. I'm happy to be on getting into this draft process. This class is really exciting to me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think it's. I think it's caught a lot of people by surprise when you start getting in depth, looking into it. So I'm excited to talk about it with you gentlemen.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is it a little. I know it's exciting. I agree with what you're saying because every draft like this. There are diamonds in the rough. And you're going to find some surprises in different situations. But is this a draft that you're a little disappointed in when you go back and watch it? Because I find myself being a little disappointed in certain areas.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm not. I like. I'm not. I think that there are key positions that, you know, every year flips on its head. You know, some years, you know, even last year we saw, you know, high, high frequency from the offensive line position and whether it was guard or tackle this year, you know, that's kind of down. You know, we're not sure how many guys that we think are first round talent or all those things. So I feel like. I like that it's different every year. I like that it's different every year. This linebacker class I think is sneakily has some great players. This defensive line, defensive line, especially with the edge position, some depth. I'm the cornerback class is deep, solid.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

So it's like, I think it just depends on what you like and what you looking for. Because if you looking for a linebacker edge, maybe safety, corner, you cooking with gas there. Especially with corner probably going into the, the later rounds. What you got?

[Chris Beem]

I just want. I just want the Cowboys to get it right.

[Aisha Morrison]

I just stressed out.

[Chris Beem]

I just want them to pick the right guy. You know, there's a lot of players that's in that range that I probably won't be feeling. There's a lot of players that I like though. I think where Cowboy fans kind of where would get down is when they ask us, well, can we get a Michael Parsons type guy at 12 this year? And we're like, well, nah, you know what I'm saying? But you can get a nice safety or something, you know what I mean? If he falls. You can get a great linebacker if he falls. So every group's going to be different. I like the offensive line a lot last year. Offensive line is a little different this year. So normally I'm advocating offensive line every year. You probably won't hear me as loud advocate for it. I think something else that's kind of weird too. Dante Moore really let us down. Cause we need quarterbacks up top to push dudes down. I agree completely. So Dante going back to school made it like, all right. And then Daniel Jeremiah with his trifling, messy mock draft, he gonna drop, makes us feel away like, oh man, can we get wiped out here? And normally wiped out at 16 is, oh, we'll get Zach Martin.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Chris Beem]

Wiped out at 12 different this year.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, the lack of quarterback, I.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Guess, like it's a lack of playmakers in the draft because the wide receiver class isn't as top heavy.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But running back, you got Jeremiah Love and that's about it.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, the running back class, like if you struggling with this running back about class, you. If you struggling to decipher who's who, who, who, you need to have a conversation with somebody. It's not that stressful. It's pretty cut and dry, you know what I'm saying? But I just.

[Chris Beem]

They either run harder, they run fast.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, that's about it.

[Chris Beem]

Is it?

[Aisha Morrison]

Listen, I mean, there are some gentlemen that have some explosiveness and stuff like that. I do think they're on the wide receiver class. I mean, probably going into like the second, maybe early third you could find some guys. But after that is good night to me. So I. I mean, I'm okay with it. I. As I've been watching this class, I feel like every time I'm watching, I find out somebody that I maybe didn't notice before and they might go to a smaller school or whatever, but they're talented, there's talent in this draft. It's just not as, you know, extravagant as some of these other classes have been, I guess.

[Chris Beem]

2. Why, now that you've put some names to some faces, to some units. Kyle, I asked you too. I just said her. Cause she was the last one talking. Are you cool with two top 20 picks or would you rather have three top 100 picks?

[Aisha Morrison]

See, I don't know yet.

[Chris Beem]

Come on, Kyle.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think it goes back to what you said about how the board falls. One thing I will say, it's irking me. The more that I get into the film, it's irking me that Dallas does.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not have the second and third round picks. The lack of a day two pick is hurting you right now.

[Aisha Morrison]

It's really hurting you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then when you think about where those went, you feel okay about it. For the most part, you feel fine.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But I'm right there with you.

[Aisha Morrison]

I just feel like. I feel like the way that this board, again with the lack of quarterback and stuff, that this board could really fall and you should, like, I think that third, fourth round is going to be really rich. And so I just really like. I don't know, I'm struggling with the fact that Dallas. I would want Dallas to maybe try to find a way. But to your. To answer your question, it depends on how the board falls for me. But I don't think there's anything wrong with them trying to get somehow into the second or third? Because I think the value there is going to be more. It might make more sense because of the lack of quarterback and that type of stuff.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I said this on Talking Cowboys this morning. We had a brief conversation about that scenario of would you rather trade back from 20 or just stick and pick. And I think right now as we sit here 79 days away, I would stick and pick because you have two guys that could immediately be difference makers and starters on your defense. That's where I would lean right now.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's fair because the second two, you know, Dallas get a little.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Been a little dicey in the past. The one thing that I do want to keep an eye on and that's where you. You kind of got into where it depends on what the board shows you.

[Chris Beem]

Yes sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're going to have 13 or 14, maybe upwards of 18 first round grades. Some real ones, some legit first round grades. You're going to get one at 12, confidence level is high there. You might get one at 20. And if you do stick and pick, sure. But then you get from about 20 is right at that boundary to about 45 in the draft. And I feel like that's just a hodgepodge of, as Brian Broaddus always said it, ice cream flavors. Who are you going to pick and why are you going to pick them in between 20 and 45? You could probably feel pretty good about anybody in that sense. So if that's the case and you're able to pick up an extra selection in the top 100, go get a couple guys. Because you would flip picks assumingly with let's. I threw out a scenario with Tennessee where Tennessee wants to come up and get some weapons, a wide receiver or somebody for Cam Ward to throw the football to because they drafted offensive line early just to be able to protect him. You trade up and you get 35, 66 and a third round pick next year. So you, you might, you get your. You get your second round pick, you get a third round pick but you're right back to a normal draft at that point.

[Aisha Morrison]

And that what they did with the Kneeland BB guy near.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So they went from 24 to 29.

[Aisha Morrison]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They got a third round pick and that ended up being beat.

[Aisha Morrison]

Okay. Tracking. So we've seen them kind of do some movement and stuff like that. I guess also too, it depends on as we get more into learning the scheme, understanding what the coaches want because some of these positions are top heavy. Are you going to like, again, you're not going to dictate your board and all this stuff, but, like, I think that to answer your question, it's going to be very contingent on free agency then.

[Chris Beem]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Aisha Morrison]

Because some of these positions you need immediate impact in, and if you're not going to do it in the draft, you're going to be cool with them first two, and you ain't touching nothing for two days, the second and the third, then you need to be aggressive in free agency and making sure that you take care of some of those positions so you don't have to feel like maybe you're reaching or you're having to go up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's always the goal. Whether it happens or not is going to be a different story.

[Aisha Morrison]

Well, yeah. And again, I think something I heard Steven talk about at the Senior bowl was just talking about, you know, how. Talking about how he feels like the coach is coming in. You know, they've had new coaches coming in. They've had the interviews. They're getting perspective from the outside about free agents that are going to be available as well. That's valuable because even, yeah, your scouts do their thing, but you got guys that are coming from other places that have perspective and gotten eyes on guys that maybe you haven't. I hope that Dallas does what they need to do in free agency. So we won't be having these talks because if you don't do nothing in free agency, you just gonna sit there. The second and third.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

You gonna sit there and twiddle your thumbs.

[Chris Beem]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

You just there for decoration.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It'll be a long day for us.

[Aisha Morrison]

I' ma be stressed. Do something.

[Chris Beem]

Cause honestly, I don't like seeing all these mock drafts where people trade you back five or six times.

[Aisha Morrison]

I hate it.

[Chris Beem]

Hey, y', all, we saved the Cowboys with these 15 picks. I've just keep trying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're all going to turn out. It's going to be great.

[Chris Beem]

My drafts I want to see is. I want to see people get uncomfortable, get wiped out and sit in there and pick. So even if we do have a great free agency draft, Jordan Tyson, the wide receiver in Arizona State, we don't need wide receiver. But dawg, boy, you sure would have hated it if you would have drafted Kaylavon Chayson. And look, Chayson, he doing fine, but take the better dude every time. And if you really do your thing, free agency wise, then you could do that. It would be very uncomfortable if you get wiped out and you didn't have a great free agency. And now you're going, what do we do now?

[Aisha Morrison]

Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. That's you don't want to put yourself in a position. And again to go anything other than bpa. And again, that's another thing that I noticed with Stephen and Will McClay talking at the Senior bowl is despite the fact you asked some fantastic questions, by the way.

[Chris Beem]

Of course you did.

[Aisha Morrison]

Despite the fact that we know that there is an emphasis on defense, they are not ruling that offense. No.

[Chris Beem]

Steven Jones said. Yeah, he's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I asked that in the, in the post game or the postseason Presser too. Yeah, he said the same thing.

[Aisha Morrison]

They're not ruling that offense. And as much as it makes me itch, it's in. If we want them to go bpa.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It'S the best way to drive.

[Aisha Morrison]

We need them to go bpa.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beem]

I think they want that running back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

If he does Jeremiah.

[Chris Beem]

I think they want the running back. I don't. I think they're so stacked at wide receiver. I think when they say offensive, we don't want to rule offensive player. I think they're specifically talking about the running back bit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm going to, I'm going to hide behind my mic as I say this.

[Aisha Morrison]

You don't think that that's that stacked?

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I love Jeremiah Love.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm talking about the runner though. Or the wide receiver room.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, it's okay.

[Aisha Morrison]

Say what you going to say about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What I'm going to say is if they were to take Jeremiah Love, sure. I don't think I would hate it that much.

[Chris Beem]

Hell no. You with me? He's a guy. You had a good free agency.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What is the best friend to a possible or to a defense? What is the best best friend to a defense? Best friend to a play action quarterback.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh my God. Jeremiah Love would do a lot of things for this team. Yeah, but do you have the ability to do that with your current state of your defense? Absolutely not. But if you give yourself enough room to maneuver and room to shake and he falls to you, hell yeah, let's make it happen. I'm all for that. But there's still a lot of moves that have to happen between now and then, I guess.

[Aisha Morrison]

I mean, well, I mean, let's. I mean, we can talk about it. This running back room, we don't know what the hell it is right now. We don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Especially if they don't bring back Javante or they aren't able to down the.

[Chris Beem]

Phone with his people now.

[Aisha Morrison]

They need to.

[Chris Beem]

So I Would assume that Javante will be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think he'll probably.

[Chris Beem]

Some other people. I can't vouch if they gonna be back, but they're on the phone now.

[Aisha Morrison]

But I think they need to. I think they need to be. Dallas has kind of neglected the running back position. Showed how much they disvalue it to me in the last couple years.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Four different rushers, all a thousand yards in four years, though.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, that means that even if they've devalued it, not to. Not to interrupt here, but if. Even if they've devalued it, they've still found production.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, I think that the guys have had production despite of. In a lot of senses. So I mean, I think it's awesome that the guys like we talk about a Rico doddle that he was able to show what he was able to do and obviously Javante. But I just feel like I. If they were to go running back, I wouldn't be too upset about it just because I do think that Dallas needs to start taking that position seriously. And I believe that, yes, the scouts did their job with Javante, but they also kind of looked up, you know, guys, I'm sure there's evaluators. I'm sorry to the area scouts. Don't piss. Don't get pissed at me. But I'm saying, like, I understand that they probably saw what they saw and everything, but this guy did have to come in and prove it. Yeah, this guy had to come in and be effective.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think they would agree with you there.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, he learned the playbook, even so. And you see that in the past. Protection. You see that in the way he's willing to sacrifice his body. I don't want Dallas to start from scratch with this position. I definitely want Javante back here. And if they decide to add on to it, fine. I don't know about driving, but draft.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Him in the first round.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think. I think Jeremiah is that talented.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But would you rather have Javante Williams or would you rather have a possible.

[Aisha Morrison]

A young nugget?

[Chris Beem]

Yeah, my argument is both. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's keep Javante, bridge him and just. You know what I'm saying?

[Aisha Morrison]

Like I said, you need both. Because one thing about Javante, see what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Happened to Genti this year, right?

[Aisha Morrison]

You need both. I think you specifically need Javante because you don't know what the hell's happened with your tackles. We don't know who's gonna be where. We don't know. We're looking for Guyton to take a Step this year. We don't know if Terrence Steele is returning. We already talked about to some degree the tackles in this class that aren't super sm. So it's like, what'd you say? So I do think the pass protection that Javante brings, it's just. It's. I know people are maybe minimizing it. I'm not gonna do it. You trying to have the longevity of the quarterback.

[Chris Beem]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

So anyway. Nope. If y' all want to draft running back, fine. Do what you want to do.

[Chris Beem]

Well, running back's not my priority. It's not first on the list. But if you get this goofy scenario where your rushers are going, your corners are gone, your linebacker's out of there, your safety shouldn't be there, Reese ain't there. Quarterback, offensive lineman, and now you staring at. Okay, well, it's either trade back. I don't believe in that. No, I hate fake trade back stuff. If they trade back, they trade back. But I don't want to just say in February cause I'm uncomfortable. I'm trading back, man. I've watched film on at that point, it'll be Jeremiah love, Jordan Tyson. I'm not taking Colton Hood over those two.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No.

[Aisha Morrison]

Right.

[Chris Beem]

You know what I'm saying? And I like Colton Hood, but just if I'm gonna build my board, I'm hoping that the people on the second floor take care of business in free agency so I can draft how I wanna. I don't believe in trading. I don't like when y' all hit me up like, well, vouch. I would love this player at 20, but I don't know, maybe he's more like a 25 player for me. Bro, quit playing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just take the pick.

[Chris Beem]

Dillon, the enemy, right? I'm putting names on me being upset. Right? Oregon. Oregon. Safety or vouch. How about this? I trade back, get another pick, and we can get theienneterman at 29. Take him at 20. If you like him so much, take him at 20. I've talked myself into going, I don't care where y' all have this safety rank, I'll have him at 20. Cause y' all can look around the league and be like, oh, look at what these nickel safeties are doing. The Enderman can do that. He can play some free, he can play in the box. He tackle good, finds the football in the air. Why do you have to be so. I'm uncomfortable taking a safety here. I'm gonna trade back and get more picks. Put your parts on the table and just take Em and just take em. So that's where I'm at. If you get Jeremiah Love and Dylan Theatiman, it may value wise, it may not be perfect.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It'd be awesome.

[Chris Beem]

But that's two dudes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Those are two dogs. Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

Two guys that immediately come in and help you, you know, immediately. And I just feel like with the whole, you know, scouts are not supposed to overthink it.

[Chris Beem]

They do.

[Aisha Morrison]

They're supposed. They're not supposed to overthink it. You're supposed to be deep enough into your study that you're able to have enough context to decide what it is that you're going to do in that moment. So it's up to them to just be prepared. I hope that they are.

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[Aisha Morrison]

And they're able to come out and have some players because Dallas, as we talked about, they're not in the position where they can play around. They need to hit on these picks. They need to hit on these picks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Dak Prescott]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

These two picks are crucial to the future of the organization. The. It's funny because former draft show host Jeff Kavanaugh was captain trade down. He was always the one that was riding to trade it away, and I think a lot of our listenership has agreed with him in certain situations. I'm going to w. Captain stay put. Captain stay stick and pick. Make it happen.

[Chris Beem]

Hey, that's, that's, that's what I'm. Because, because, hey, look, I just saw somebody in the chat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh.

[Chris Beem]

He wants to hypothetically make a pick, but he won't hypothetically trade back. I feel you. But if you look at what the Cowboys normally do, they normally make picks they like. They. They'll move around sometimes, but for the most part, they stick in there and pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Even when they drafted Micah and they traded back, they went back two spots. When they traded back and drafted Tyler Guyton, they went down five spots.

[Chris Beem]

Sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's not like they're making these massive jumps from outside of the first round into the second round and they're picking up this unbelievable haul to make and you get to redo your entire draft. A lot of these mock draft simulators, too, they have their own little chart of significance on trades, and not a lot of them are accurate. A lot of them are very hypothetical. Like we just said that word.

[Chris Beem]

Sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And they're very iffy.

[Aisha Morrison]

I hate them.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You don't.

[Aisha Morrison]

I know people, you know. I hate mock draft.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

I hate it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Come back. We're gonna have a mock draft here on.

[Aisha Morrison]

No, no.

[Chris Beem]

Oh, no.

[Aisha Morrison]

I don't like the uncertainty and then draft night is so unpredictable. I understand that it's an exercise that people to just, you know, tackle their minds, but for me, it feels so mundane in a sense, because it's just not the way that people do their mock drafts. Nine times out of 10, it's not gonna happen like that. So I don't like them. Sorry, y'.

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[Aisha Morrison]

Don't be mad at me.

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[Chris Beem]

Anybody mad at you? I hate them.

[Aisha Morrison]

They dusty.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, when we come back here on the draft show, we're gonna have some Twitter on the 20. I put the tweet out there earlier. We've got Aisha Morrison in studio. We've got Vach Lombardi in studio. Send in your NFL Draft questions. Twitter on the 20. When we come back, more of the draft show, presented by Miller Light right after this.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

I completely agree with that.

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Chris Beem]

Aisha, you do you like. Do you like monster trucks?

[Aisha Morrison]

No?

[Chris Beem]

Why not? Hold on Kyle, why not?

[Aisha Morrison]

I don't know. They're just Big and destructive?

[Chris Beem]

Big. Just big? Just big and destructive. Just.

[Aisha Morrison]

Do you like monster trucks?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do you like defensive linemen? You like watching the Trenches?

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. See, that's exciting. Why do you like watching the Trenches? Because they're big and destructive?

[Chris Beem]

No, it's because they do things every play. You can look at them and see them doing things. Yeah, I don't see that same thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You don't see them jumping cars and running?

[Chris Beem]

No.

[Aisha Morrison]

It's kind of cool. I went to the Universal Soul Circus and they had dirt bikes and motor stuff and stuff. I never been to a. I never seen a giant, you know, monster truck thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Knock it until you try.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think it's cool that people can create something like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's cool that they can create.

[Chris Beem]

People fussed at me because I didn't see value of trucks spinning upside down.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He thought they were twerking.

[Chris Beem]

Yeah, the truck was upside down spinning like you was now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Could you do that in your vehicle? Exactly.

[Aisha Morrison]

It takes talent.

[Chris Beem]

If I do it in my vehicle, I need to call. I need to call the police. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying Monster Jam didn't reach a certain demographic of people is what I try to get the chat and my peers to understand, and I wasn't in that demographic.

[Aisha Morrison]

Diversify yourself.

[Chris Beem]

I do. I'm not quite at Monster Jam.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not to that level yet.

[Aisha Morrison]

You probably have a really good time. People just get drunk and watch and scream.

[Chris Beem]

I'm going to jail if I get drunk and scream anywhere. Get drunk and scream in public. Me?

[Aisha Morrison]

You think you the only black person that's dying to go on the Monster Jam? Is that what you're trying to say?

[Chris Beem]

No.

[Aisha Morrison]

No.

[Chris Beem]

Cause Derek Eagleton. Go. But he's a rich man. I'm not Derrick Eagleton. Rich. When you're rich, you can do what you want.

[Aisha Morrison]

Now you're telling us business. He ain't nobody business.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's get into some.

[Chris Beem]

Hit the button, Bean.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Twitter on the 20 20. We're back. Jordan wants to give a sticking pick question for Vox Stick and pick. Which position would you be comfortable doubling up on if you were wiped out in the first round? Which one would it be?

[Chris Beem]

If I was wiped out in the first round? Yeah, if you're. If you're wiped out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beem]

And you have to double somewhere, you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Have to double up on the back.

[Chris Beem]

You take away a lot of my options. If I'm. If I'm wiped out. So I don't think. Okay. So if I'm wiped out and you say The Cowboys drafted a defensive tackle, Peter Woods, Clemson at 12 and they took a defensive end at 20. That's the only way I can see it. Cause if you get wiped out, your edges, corners and safeties are gone. That's half of what I need. You know what I'm saying? You ain't taking two receivers, you're not taking two running backs at 12 and 20. If I double down, I'll take two linebackers. If it's.

[Aisha Morrison]

I was about to say, because some of these guys have pass rush ability.

[Chris Beem]

But if you wiped out, ain't no stop. You know what I'm saying? So you in a tough position, but I would say D line. If the Cowboys say, hey, we don't know how much longer Kenny's going to be here, Quinn is going to be around a while. OSA's got paid. Maybe we're trying to build this system where we need more D tackles and maybe Peter woods is so high on our board that we value him to come in and compete with Perrion and toea. That will draft a defensive tackle and you get your edge at 20 and you double down at D line. That's the only way I can see it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[Aisha Morrison]

Shout out to you for answering the question. It would be linebacker for me too.

[Chris Beem]

Okay.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think that you would end up having to kind of. You would have to talk about what they do coverage wise and what, especially when we started getting into maybe what this scheme is going to look like with these guys having to drop in coverage and stuff like that. Obviously the showing and going. I expect a lot of simulated pressures. Can that linebacker rush the passer as well? I think you have to weigh the pros and cons. But I will say, do you gentlemen, I'm going to ask you guys, do you guys have a linebacker that's not a first rounder but you see the talent with him that if they did go, they doubled up at linebacker. If this guy is really like a really like a second round pick, who is that to you?

[Chris Beem]

And you took him at 20 and.

[Aisha Morrison]

You took him at 20, who is a gentleman, you'll be okay with taking it there. If it's not R.V.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Reeves, I can hear a lot of draft fans saying, Jacob Rodriguez from Texas tech, I have a 2, 3 on him. So that would be a full reach. That'd be a full round of a reach for me.

[Aisha Morrison]

Because the only two we, we only, we only expect an arvo. Reese and Styles to be ones. Who is your guy after that?

[Chris Beem]

I think Hill, Texas and C.J. allen.

[Aisha Morrison]

From C.J. allen.

[Chris Beem]

I think that's only two.

[Aisha Morrison]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Anthony Hill.

[Aisha Morrison]

So do, does either one of them are we worried about? I haven't talked to you guys about it. What about the size for CJ Allen? Again if you're considering like hey, can this guy also rush? Because you gotta, you gotta be able to do more than just play linebacker if I'm taking you that high. So can you rush the passer?

[Chris Beem]

This is the thing about CJ Allen. He' technically by his numbers, like his weigh in numbers are gonna make him look small but on film he big and he whoop ass. So like he don't have no problem stumping offensive linemen, blitzing, whooping feet down there. He's not one of these other linebackers that I won't name to kind of get washed in O line trash. So I think that yeah, he's a guy that can do some blitz things for you. It's interesting how you word it though. Cause I think Allen would be like a mic type guy for you. I wouldn't see him rushing on the edges very much here and that'll make it kind of difficult. And the same thing for Allen. I see him as more of an off ball guy but he can bring value blissing on the line of scrimmage. If, if you get wiped out, we just gonna have to cry, you know what I'm saying? Cry some tears. For real? For real.

[Aisha Morrison]

Because I don't feel comfortable taking either one of those guys in the first round despite the talent. And I'm high on Anthony Hill Jr. Yeah, for sure. But I just think, I just don't think it, it, it lines up that way. Speaking of linebacker, what is Yalls expectations for Maris leaf out? What the hell is going on?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It depends on who, who Christian Parker thinks he is. Is he going to be kind of an occasional blitzer? Is he going to be a coverage linebacker? Is he going to be where do you want to put him? Because right now I think he's gone through two different coordinators that didn't necessarily know where to put him.

[Aisha Morrison]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And for me I would rather him be downhill than I would backing up and getting into coverage. And that's where he got himself in some troubles at different times throughout last year. So I think for me that's where I would go. I would try and put him like an outside linebacker. Not, not. I feel like that's a bad way to put it. Maybe a weak side guy in terms of downhill. Let him run, let him blitz Every once in a while, that's kind of where I would go.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm trying to understand. I just. I'm trying to understand the state of the linebacker room because I still.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's bad.

[Aisha Morrison]

You need a mic?

[Chris Beem]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

Do you need a mic as a veteran? I think you need a veteran, Mike. It's long overdue and somebody is going to keep they tail here for a little while.

[Chris Beem]

That's another issue is that a lot of these linebacker prospects are like guys that I think excel at being will guys, like run free guys and not really in the middle of it thumping like that. So you got some questions to ask. You got some figuring out to do. But as far as marriage goes, I think what's gonna happen, we need CP to come in and tell us, like, what the business is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Chris Beem]

And I think regardless, you have to move forward. Like, some guys don't exist. Stephen Jones came out and kind of gave you what the core is. He told you the three tackles. We talked about Don Vaneziraku, we talked about Deemo, and he mentioned 2 cor. He mentioned bland and Revel. Regardless of what you think about how Rebel's rookie season is, Revel's a part of this core moving on next year. So now you gotta ask yourself, all right, so we're moving forward as if Kaylan Carson doesn't exist. Like, we just can't be like, all right, I'm banking on Kaylan Carson to step up and do this thing. I wouldn't even want the Cowboys to do that. So if that's going to be the case, I think Maris is one of those guys as well. Maris hasn't shown us. And look, Zimmer, when he was here, the one thing he'll talk about with Mares, that he picked up everything so fast and he's so smart, communicates. And that's kind of what what CP wants, Christian Parker wants. But we don't even know. But we don't know. So we just gonna have to bring guys in and Maris is gonna have to work himself up into where wherever.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He needs to go. It's all about the role that they need him to play. And he could play a number of different things. We've seen that over his two years here. But when I'm looking at this linebacker core, I'm not looking at it and saying, I'm not drafting that guy because we have Maris Liefeld, he's not gonna dictate what we need from a linebacker center.

[Aisha Morrison]

I was only asking because you said, Mike, you referred to One of these gentlemen as a mic. And I'm like, okay, well, Dallas needs a mic.

[Chris Beem]

Which I think Sonny and C.J. are mics.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, like on past draft shows or.

[Aisha Morrison]

No, no, no. Today. You just said. You just called somebody. You just. I can't remember who was. But you said somebody was a mic. And I was like, okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Was his name Michael?

[Aisha Morrison]

No. You said Mike. I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't remember what I was talking about. The. Yeah, those two guys early in. Guys, where would you put C.J. allen?

[Chris Beem]

I got a two on him, but he's gonna go late first.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he'll go in the 21st.

[Chris Beem]

I think that's a perfect place.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, so that's.

[Chris Beem]

And that goes what I'm saying earlier, right? Like if you just say, oh, yeah, C.J. allen, he'll go 25 or something. I'm picking at 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'd be fine.

[Chris Beem]

I'm perfectly fine with C.J. allen at 20. Yeah, I'm fine with that.

[Aisha Morrison]

You cool with that?

[Chris Beem]

I'll TJ Allen as well. Okay. It depends on the board. If he's the best guy on the board for me at 20, then sure, I don't mind CJ Allen at 20. Cause I don't know how the board's gonna play out. It might be a bunch of wide receivers in, you know, D D tackles there. It may be some offensive lineman that I don't value as high. You know what I'm saying? But if that's how it is, you need Mike. Go get C.J. leave some.

[Aisha Morrison]

Mike.

[Kyle Yeomans]

This is a good question. It's a little bit long on. On Twitter, but Rob wants to know Cowboys number one offseason priority should be signing George Pickens to a long term deal. It's one of those things that I think everybody wants to happen. Everybody needs it to happen. Even he talked about wanting it to happen and wanting the best for everybody during his Pro bowl media availability yesterday. However, he does say because of the past and because of the way the contract scenarios with this specific representation, David Mogaletta and what he's done over the last 12 months, I think Cowboys fans are a little bit hesitant to see it actually come to fruition. His question is if, let's say they tag Pickens, he's going to reject the tag, doesn't want to play on the tag or whatever ends up happening or a holdout as a possibility until the long term deal is signed. How much of a priority should it be to possibly taking a wide receiver at 12 or 20? What would that Conversation look like your.

[Chris Beem]

Priority still needs to always be defense first.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Chris Beem]

Because that's just. Because that's the emergency.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You wouldn't classify that as an emergency.

[Chris Beem]

I think the defense is so much more. I've seen Dak go out there with a wide receiver, one flournoy full offensive lineman missing. You know, Jake Ferguson limping. I've seen Dak figure it out. This defense ain't figured out nothing last year. They ain't figured out nothing. Even if your offense goes from number one to number eight, your defense was still 37th, you know what I'm saying?

[Aisha Morrison]

So only 32 team.

[Chris Beem]

That's my point. But even in that case, though, Rob, that's what I'm saying. Don't be afraid to draft Jordan, Tyson or Lemon or Tate, whoever you find to be the best guy on the board, don't be afraid to draft those guys. Yeah, that priority goes up a little bit, but. But this is kind of where I'm pleading to Jerry and Steven and Adam and all them people involved in Todd and all them like, man, let's just get it done. Let's not try to win the negotiation here. You know what I'm saying? Let's not try to get style points. Let's not let this thing drag out. I think you're gonna be at your best when everybody's at camp. Happy, paid, participating. I don't want this thing to get to Will George Pickens miss games? I can't stand Will ex player miss games content. But we do it every year. We do. Will CD miss games? Will Zach miss games? Will Tank miss games? I'm sick of Will. Will they? Will Dak miss games? I'm tired of that conversation. Paid Pickens early. Get it out the way. There's a number in mind. You ain't got to get messed over on all the details. Get the number right, work out the guaranteed, and get dude in here so when camp goes around, they're not missing steps. I don't want to see GP look weird for six weeks, you know? Cause he hadn't been in camp. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but that's all.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Chris Beem]

Appreciate it. Right?

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good question.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What would you say?

[Chris Beem]

You ain't trying to draft no receivers, huh? No, we say huh.

[Aisha Morrison]

No, I mean, I think the defense is an emergency. But I will say I. I agree with Boxes that I just think that Dallas, like, again, going back to the Senior bowl interview, I thought something that. I thought something that Wilma, Clay and Steven said. Well, not even Steven. I apologize. Joy Epstein yesterday shouts out to Jory, fantastic article by her report by her rather from Yahoo Sports talking about the fact that having all these coaches come in here and get in their insight really helped the Cowboys understand Pickens value and what he does to stress the defense. And I thought that was awesome. You got the quarterback that wants him to be here. If I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong, but I think I heard it correctly, is that when Schottenheimer got hired, one of his things was that they needed to get a wide receiver too. He came in when he was interviewing. That was something he emphasized. Sounds like from someone I know with the Steelers that the conversations like. Like they were on the phone talking about Pickens prior to the draft. Dallas was one of the only teams that. That called. So they had a plan. They had a plan. They brought him in and I feel like he has played well and I understand. I will say what I am understanding is that there are people around the league and that feel like you still don't know enough about this guy. I don't agree. I don't personally agree. I think he's shown himself to be. I mean, he's had his few little hiccups. I think he's shown himself to be reliable. You can, you know, he's in the film because of what he's done from a skill position, like from a skill position this year. He has really opened up his route tree. You can't do that if you're not taking coaching. I think Junior Adams has a lot to do with that. So I, I think that he's shown that he can be here, he can be responsible. Is he going to be the leader that you looking for and all this? Blase, blase, maybe. But he leads with his play. The play is. Is enough. And I'm. I'm just. I think that's the vibe that I'm getting about it is that it's not about the play. It is about committing to this person. And is this person committed to all of this that's going on? I don't doubt it, but that is probably what the holdup is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beem]

Aish, let me tell you something.

[Aisha Morrison]

No, don't get mad.

[Chris Beem]

No, I ain't mad at you.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm just telling you what I heard.

[Chris Beem]

You've done great. Ayesha, look, you've done great.

[Aisha Morrison]

Jesus.

[Chris Beem]

I'm sick of these miscellaneous people that be writing, reporting GP is a problem. They nowhere near here. They nowhere near. Yeah, he's not be living here. They don't talk to the Problem?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Play.

[Chris Beem]

Listen, as long as George isn't selling drugs, hitting women, or doing something stupid. I play football, dog. It's. You going to have dudes late for meetings. You going to have dudes wearing what they want. Coach. Hey, y'. All. Coach say black socks. You going to have somebody with neon green. It. It's the game. It's the game.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yes.

[Chris Beem]

As long as George Pickens ain't getting arrested. Trouble. Other people getting arrested. And I'll let that slide as long as I ain't talking. But he's. Cause he cool, too. As long as George ain't getting arrested. What's the point of having leadership if you ain't got knuckleheads around the leader?

[Aisha Morrison]

Okay, Come on.

[Chris Beem]

What's the point? What's the point? I played center my senior year. I was a leader. And we had offensive linemen that didn't know the plays, but they were strong as hell. Hey, Vaj, take care of him, man. You know what I'm saying? So what's the point of Dak having a master's in leadership? What's his master's in.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I know.

[Chris Beem]

You know?

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Chris Beem]

It's like it's in lead or something. What's the point of having a great leader and a CD Lamb around to corral in some mess as long as he ain't getting arrested?

[Aisha Morrison]

Well, I think that's what's. That's what we're talking about. I think that's why we've seen. The improvement we've seen from Pickens is that he does. I think that the quarterback and him are locked in, and there's some good communication there, obviously, too. He's friends with these guys. They've built connection. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I'm just telling you what it is that I.

[Chris Beem]

This ain't me. As long as he ain't punching fans.

[Aisha Morrison]

In the stadium, this is the concern.

[Chris Beem]

As long as he ain't punching fans in the stadium.

[Kyle Yeomans]

DK Metcalf.

[Chris Beem]

Because these might be coming from Pittsburgh Steelers, people they had to deal with.

[Aisha Morrison]

Cause he be getting. Don't get me. And one thing I like about George is like, he don't care. He don't care about getting fined. He gonna do that celebration. It's the Ochocinko vibe. I like it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I can guarantee you nobody in that locker room, in the conversations that we've had, in the conversations that George Pickens has had and that the media has had with certain players, nobody has ever in that locker room, tabbed George Pickens as an issue.

[Aisha Morrison]

Nope, never heard it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They don't feel that way. And that's not the case. Maybe that was the case at Pittsburgh. Not the case here. And yes, he has a capable quarterback who he loves. He's got a wide receiver, running make that's one of the best in the NFL. And there's a reason they're both wearing Pro bowl flag football uniforms later this week. I mean, there's legitimate growth opportunity for him here. So for that old narrative to just continue to drag on in a, in an off season and in a situation like this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's old because it didn't happen.

[Aisha Morrison]

It's old.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, moving on. Good conversation, y'.

[Aisha Morrison]

All.

[Chris Beem]

Good talk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ashley wants to know what's the best value you could get for a pick at spot 20 in a trade back scenario. Just like Voch likes. This is kind of my wheelhouse in terms of draft compensation. Okay, the Browns, let's just. I'm going to take a look at 12 and 20, shall we? Just, just because.

[Chris Beem]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The Browns at 12 back in 2017, that was the most recent big trade in terms of 12. They got the 25th overall pick. So they went from 12 to 20 and they got a first round pick in 2018. So next year, first round pick. So nothing in that current draft, that was a recent one specifically going back to 2003, this one's closer to 20th overall. The Patriots traded to Baltimore for a second round pick and a 2024 first round pick. So next year first round pick. So you get a second round current draft, first round next year. And then the other one that I was looking at here in terms of like recent history, the Cowboys actually traded one to the bills. Cowboys first round pick 22 in 2004, they gave 2020 or excuse me, they gave number 43 overall. So they went from 22 to 43. But they also picked up a fourth round pick, a fifth round pick and a 2025 first round pick. And that was the last time they picked multiple times in the first round was in that 2025 draft. So if you're going to do it, next year's draft prospects, next year's draft picks are all are very much so on the table. But if you're Dallas, you're not necessarily messing around with current year guys, right? Yeah, you're kind of looking at a possible second round flip, but you're going to pick up a day three and probably a premium day two or day one Pick too.

[Chris Beem]

I think the only other situation I've kind of said this here, but I'll say it again, is if some team likes some quarterback that we're not talking about at 20 and they go, hey, we'll trade up to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'd say Ty Simpson.

[Chris Beem]

Ty Simpson, Alabama quarterback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably not a top 10, top 15 guy. He might just because of the quarterback position, but we'll see.

[Chris Beem]

The Giants traded up to get Jackson dart to 25 and they ended up getting. The Texans sent 34, 99 and a 20, 26 third rounder, you know what I'm saying? So if you want value, that would.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Be 25 to 34, right?

[Chris Beem]

Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And then you get a second rounder.

[Chris Beem]

And a third rounder 99 and next year's three. Yes, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so it'd be a third rounder.

[Chris Beem]

And then next year's third and next year's three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's kind of what your ballpark's going to be.

[Chris Beem]

So if somebody's moving up to get a corner is going to be different than them moving up to get a quarterback out, you know what I'm saying? So if you want to maximize your trade back, you better hope somebody likes one of these quarterbacks to move up to 20 to get them.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. And if it's not a quarterback, what is a position that people would like enough to trade up for?

[Chris Beem]

Maybe those whiteouts trade backs because people would need to see, they would need to see some real value to come up. You know what I'm saying? People want to trade back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I say that all the time. You got to find a dance partner.

[Chris Beem]

People want to trade back because, oh, I don't like who's on the board right now. Let me call somebody and get more picks. Nah, some. Something has to be attractive there. Something has to be, oh, let me get Jalen Carter's falling. Let me go get Jalen Carter. Let me go and get a quarterback or something like that. It ain't, it ain't gonna be that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nobody's just gonna pick up the phone and be like, yeah, you're right. I am gonna trade you all three of these selections just to go up.

[Chris Beem]

20 and Tyrann Arnold may have been Detroit's number one corner at the time. So they say, man, how corner still here. Let's go trade up with Dallas to go get Terry Arnold. I don't think it's gonna be like that unless Monsoon Del.

[Aisha Morrison]

Well then also too. What about, what about, we've talked about this offensive, this offensive tackle class, this offensive guard Class, that might be a position. I don't know what the free agency pool looks like, but teams are like in need. We've seen, we saw the offensive lines this year. Like teams are in need of offensive line. Do you think that maybe especially with there not being a lot of depth there and it being top heavy, maybe there is a guy that a team really is. Like, this guy can come in and be a starter and we need to protect our quarterbacks. A word. I can't. I like any other position. I think maybe offensive line might be a position, especially the way that it's not rich this year. It's just hard for me. Somebody might sacrifice for but that's it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's hard for me to look at a team and say, yeah, we're going to trade our two top 100 picks and maybe one from next year, too, just to go get an O lineman or receiver. Yeah, like maybe I might need a playmaker. Like one of the, like if Jordan Tyson starts to fall. A lot of defensive guys get taken early in the draft and then Tyson falls or Makai Lemon falls or something. Something like that.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. Because I was definitely gonna ask y', all, can you hold somebody for ransom maybe?

[Kyle Yeomans]

It'd have to be a quarterback.

[Aisha Morrison]

It'd have to be a hell of a player. It'd have to be a quarterback because that's probably the most valuable thing. So it got to be a quarterback. Gotta go. Anybody else, you're probably kidnap a quarterback.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go kidnap.

[Aisha Morrison]

We gotta kidnap a quarterback. You want to get other stuff?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Love it. All right. Appreciate you guys sending in the questions here on Twitter. On the 20 when we come back, the Senior bowl and the Shrine bowl have now been wrapped up. We had a chance to look at a lot of those prospects who are some of the ones that stood out over the week. We'll talk about it when we return with more of the draft show right after this.

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[Chris Beem]

The correct answer is not a lot. Yeah, I didn't like a whole bunch from the offensive line. The, the pass rushers kind of showed up and whoop and they just whoop feet a little bit. It, it was interesting because the Senior bowl has some pass rushers or just edge players that on their regular film, they weren't really rushy guys. They were kind of stiff. They just didn't bend all the way. They just weren't great. They may be good verse to run, but then they get to Mobile and they started whooping feet as pass rushers. So I was, you know, like guys like Zion Young from Missouri. I didn't think of him as like super pass rushy guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's wide too. He was more of a run guy at Missouri. And yeah, you're right, he was an incredible pass rusher.

[Aisha Morrison]

So are you tempering super strong? So you're tempering TJ Parker's performance as well?

[Chris Beem]

Well, 100% the context of the film, 10,000%. I'm not, I'm not gonna buy because look, think about how Parker won. Like he won with his one move with his long arm or him just being powerful. Right. That may work when you have a miscellaneous tackle drafting you, but when I'm scouting, I like to Put in context of the league, right? So if your first game is against Jordan Mailata, you just can't long or Mylotta every time, right? So when you watch TJ Parker's film, he does have that one thing that he does and he's great verse to run, that helps him verse to run. He can push pockets and all that. But I wanted to at least see him kind of counter out there and he didn't. He just kind of ran down the middle of people. Derek Moore, pass rusher from Michigan, he kind of won a lot of reps. Just bull rushing people. But that's what's on film as well. I'm not going to give you credit for running down the middle of people whooping folk. I want to see you mix up your moves, change some things up. So Danny, Dennis Smith, I saw the same, same from him. Run down the middle of people. You won, but will that translate?

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I like his film because he has some pass rush ability on film.

[Chris Beem]

He's very sometimes, but he does.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's got a couple plans there. Whenever he's there. Rush on the edge outside at Penn State. But I didn't see that at the Senior Bowl. It was a lot of just go straight through the chest of somebody.

[Chris Beem]

I think all that's important also too. Gabe Yakis. Yeah, Jakas, he's another guy. Like the film just didn't match up. So it's not like, look, they did. Well, they did what they supposed to do, but it's like punching a kid, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, man, why you punching this kid? But if the kid whoop you, hey, don't let this kid whoop you. You know what I'm saying? If you're gonna be the highly touted guy, go out there and whoop the small school guys. Whoop the guys that don't have the same draft profile as you. And they did so shouts out to them.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's what they're supposed to do.

[Chris Beem]

They did their job. But this is the opposite of this, right? We're talking about offensive lineman Jake Slaughter, the center from Florida. I was curious about him because Florida makes sure that he always gets a bunch of help. And he's a center, he should. But when I'm evaluating centers, I want to know, are you powerful by yourself? Because some team may want to isolate you. You may get a big front or something like that. You may get a zero that you got to sit down and anchor on. And there was a lot of powerful dudes that lined up over him. And I was like, aight, Jake, you showed me some one on one power versus some of these guys, some of this bulrush or these tackles, these noses being quick against you, right? So I walked away from Jake Slaughter going, okay, you did better than I expected. So now I wanna go back and watch some more film of him and see if I can find some more incidents where he's kind of isolated to see if it kind of matches up a little bit. I'll let Aisha talk.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm running. No, no, you good. Don't be talking. You good.

[Chris Beem]

Max Ironanchor is another player that I.

[Aisha Morrison]

Like, and I. I thought I was gonna jump in. I was just waiting.

[Chris Beem]

I kind of go. Go down this. This list of the big board guys, and I just kind of watch as they go.

[Aisha Morrison]

I talk about them too.

[Chris Beem]

A couple of weeks ago, Max Iron angle was like, honachor, what?

[Kyle Yeomans]

The name is Ehonachore from Arizona State.

[Chris Beem]

Brother Max. Brother Max, the office tackle from Arizona State. He was like, PFL's like 120th guy. So I didn't watch him at first. Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Dude, he was awesome.

[Chris Beem]

I saw him at the senior bowl shutting down like one on ones that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like on an island.

[Chris Beem]

He handled. So now I gotta watch some more. Max Hynek, Ice, Please tell us Ejanachour, what her name is?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ehonachor.

[Chris Beem]

Is that Greek?

[Aisha Morrison]

E hanatur.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't know what it would be.

[Chris Beem]

Tell us about Max from Arizona State, please.

[Aisha Morrison]

Max Ihonachor, Arizona State Sun Devil. He's an offensive tackle. He primarily plays right tackle. This gentleman is six' six, somewhere between 325 and 330. You got his official. I don't remember.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've got it right here. Six. Yeah. Six' six, 330. Right on the dot.

[Aisha Morrison]

Thank you. Okay, so this man was a senior, second team, all Big 12. He's from Nigeria. He played soccer and basketball before transitioning to football in junior college. And then he developed as, you know, as a tackle with Arizona State. Sorry, this is how I have to do things now.

[Chris Beem]

When you.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think the biggest thing that stood out to me is the physical profile. Obviously, you look at 6, 6, 3, 30, this guy has fantastic foot movement to be that big, y'.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All.

[Aisha Morrison]

I mean, just fantastic balance. I think that you see the basketball and soccer backgr come up in how he mirrors and the way that he's able to. To stay in front of people. He's not shuffly, though. It's not shuffly. It is. I'm picking My damn feet up and I'm moving also, too. You talk about the fact that in this past year he allowed zero sacks and he played a lot of snaps. That's impressive, you know, to be. Because we're looking for technically. That's the thing I will say about some of these guys that maybe aren't as impressive and powerful and just have the natural strength. I do think that coming out of the Senior Bowl, I noticed that some of these offensive linemen, they're winning with technique.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ye.

[Aisha Morrison]

And they're not winning with just. I'm just bigger and better than you. They're winning with technique. I think you can build off of that. I think that this gentleman is going to thrive in a zone scheme more predominantly, more of an inside zone scheme. He shows. I think that he shows the availability and ability to climb to the second level and operate in space. He pulls effectively and he identified targets. He identifies his targets very well. I think that he. So it's because of that he can fit into any office. He's a very, very quick, quick learner. That's something that I heard about from his coaches, listening to his interviews. And he's really built again. He's building a lot of stock in this time. The hand timing and the strike execution, did that stand out to you? He was just the way he's so strong, but he's precise with his hands. Yes. I think that his lower body strength is some of the best in this class. His ability to anchor and to really sit down with. Drop that ass on people and let.

[Kyle Yeomans]

First show back for Aisha Morrison and.

[Aisha Morrison]

Let them know he's not moving. Also, too, we talk about instincts, the situational awareness from him on tape. He will find what they say, find a body, find something to do. This is a gentleman that will find something to do. And he's physical. He's trying to knock people on their tail. I think, you know, when you look at the awareness with twists and stunts as well, I think that he still needs to develop a little bit there. He can lag a little bit, but I do think situationally he's grown there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's just from being a step behind at times, right?

[Aisha Morrison]

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he's still looking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's got a hand his. His head up, he's got his hands up. He's ready to. To find and engage. But if he's a step behind, that's where he kind of gets a little bit.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, I mean, the size is NFL level. He's elite to me in pass protection and his ability to mirror. He has fantastic moving movement skills and he was able to show that against the best, some of the best at the Senior Bowl, I think. Yeah, I think that he's really going to grow. But as he refines his hand tech and stuff like that and the base power, I think he's going to be great. So that's what I got on the kid. I. I look at him as a. Maybe a third round pick, I would say, but there might be some people that are looking at the Senior bowl and walking away thinking that maybe this guy could go in the second, especially with how poor. Not poor, but. Yeah, but.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But it's light.

[Aisha Morrison]

Light is the nice word to use. How light.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How light the class is.

[Aisha Morrison]

The class is. He's not light. He did have a foot injury when he played for. Well, when he played before he transferred to Georgia Tech from Middle Tennessee. He had a car accident in 20 injury. And just the fact that he was able to bounce back from that and again, to be able to still have the foot quickness. Used to hear foot when offensive lineman, you get a little tight, just like a defensive lineman. But he was able to bounce back from that. So I think that shows his resilience and what he's capable of. So. Oh, my bad. I'm looking at the wrong gentleman. That's not him. I. Sorry. No, my bad. That's. I was talking.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So who were you talking about?

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, let's clean it up. I was talking about Rutledge. My bad. I was in the wrong place. My notes. But yes, I still think the gentleman's impressive.

[Chris Beem]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, that's what I got on him. What you got?

[Chris Beem]

No, no. You basically knocked it out. I haven't watched Ionanchor formally, you know, like watching behind a chore. What a name, Max. Pardon me?

[Aisha Morrison]

Behind a chore.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm gonna just drill it. That's all we're doing.

[Aisha Morrison]

Did you call I anchor?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beem]

I thought somebody else called him I anchor. I was like, oh, that's how to say it. So I just called him Ehonachore Max E. Hanatur. That's correct. And it is Nigeria. Nigerian.

[Aisha Morrison]

He's Nigerian.

[Chris Beem]

He is. He's Nigerian. I gotta Google that because I ain't. That name don't look Nigerian, but I mean, he's Nigerian, but yeah, I'm gonna watch him. Watch him formally, I was. I was very impressed also, too. One more. One more player that I have to watch that I haven't watched was.

[Aisha Morrison]

Let's talk about him.

[Chris Beem]

Jeremiah Wright from Auburn. You seen Him? No, he big as hell. Day two, they put him in a competition, period, versus LT Overton, I believe, or something like that. And it was just one on one with him. And I was like, okay, a cat that I never heard of. And I'm just. I don't wanna sound mean, but I'm waiting on Overton to show me something, you know what I'm saying? And Jeremiah Wright kind of stepped in and anchored on him very nicely. So I watched Jeremiah over the next couple of days and he showed some great power. And he big as hell. He like 330, 340 or something. And he has some decent guard feet for 340, so I gotta watch him. But Wright, Radlich, Ehanachore.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, let's go.

[Chris Beem]

I gotta watch all those guys formally. I have to bump them up the list a little, but very impressive.

[Aisha Morrison]

So what do you know? Sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

According to AI, so this. Take this with a grain of salt.

[Aisha Morrison]

Jesus.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ehana chore is of the Igbo origin from Nai. Igbo from Nigeria.

[Chris Beem]

Okay, cool.

[Aisha Morrison]

So it is that DFW area, very common.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just want to throw that out there, can I.

[Aisha Morrison]

Did you want to talk about Rutledge? What did you gentlemen notice from him?

[Chris Beem]

I got the breakdown at Senior Bowl. I was surprised that he was able to sit down so comfortably an anchor, you know what I'm saying?

[Aisha Morrison]

He a tough dude.

[Chris Beem]

He's. I think a lot of offensive linemen have issues with after they settle down and like somebody crosses face on them. Like they don't deal with counters very well. Like if you're very powerful, you can naturally neutralize people's counters. Because if I grab you, you just gonna stop moving. But all guards aren't that powerful. So when I was watching. Is it Rutledge or Rutledge?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Rutledge.

[Chris Beem]

When I was watching Rutledge, they moved him as center and guard. And what I was really impressed with is he was able. He's strong at the initial point, great hand striking. And he sustained blocks really well. And in the event that they cross face on you, he was able to move laterally both sides. Everybody can't do that. I know it sounds a certain kind of way, but if you a guard, depending on what side you want, it's easy for you to move to. Like if you're a right guard, you move right. Much easier post foot in. So when they look for centers, you gotta be able to move both ways. Cause you could slide both ways. And I was looking at Radledge, Rutledge, Radledge.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Rutledge.

[Chris Beem]

Rutledge. When I was looking at Rutledge, was. Ratledge last year, probably Georgia.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tate.

[Chris Beem]

Ratledge. Tate Ratliff.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, this is Rutledge.

[Chris Beem]

Rutledge. Pardon me. I was so surprised at his technique. Dealing with counters, dealing with his hands moving sideways. I saw hands high. I saw somebody deal with the hands and defeat him. I saw him replace his hands, and I was like, technique make me sick. You know what I'm saying? So Rutledge is a technician. So when I go back and watch him. Haven't watched him formally. When I go back and watch him, I'll go. Let me see if some of this technique. Technique sticks. If some of this anchoring sticks in. I'm gonna find his. Find a game where he played his best. His best players or whatever, his best competition or whatnot, and I'm gonna really keep eyes on him.

[Aisha Morrison]

So I agree. He's very well rounded.

[Chris Beem]

Please.

[Aisha Morrison]

Fantastic hip control. As you talked about, the low center of leverage that he has allows him to really like. You talk about sit down and sustain blocks. And again, he's the one with the foot that had the foot. So again, for him to be able to anchor and to be steady with that, I think that's impressive. He's very consistent, too. I' you notice that out there. That's on his film. Is that this guy, he didn't give up that many sacks. He was fantastic in running past blocking. I mean. And you talked about the hand tech, too. That's one of my favorite things. Yeah, because you don't expect a guy that size. Well, to be able to do that. But the hand placement. He's a very quick puncher. Very quick. But he can mirror, too. And that's the feet that you're talking about. But he's. He's somebody that people gonna start keeping an eye out on.

[Chris Beem]

I think we agree.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Tell me a little bit about Dennings or Jennings. Jennings Dunker. I just combined the two names.

[Aisha Morrison]

Outside of those, Jennings Dunker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Out of Missouri, who are out of Iowa, rather, who showed out at the. The Senior Bowl. We had a conversation with him at media day. What did you like about him?

[Chris Beem]

Yeah, Dunker's interesting. Okay, Dunker's interesting. I'll just. I'll just talk about great hairdo. See, I don't care. I don't care.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Great.

[Chris Beem]

Great Senior Bowl. Love to talk about the people that. That chop wood and dunk basketballs, they love.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

I liked Cody Mount.

[Chris Beem]

I watched film.

[Aisha Morrison]

I liked him.

[Chris Beem]

Jennings Dunker is gonna be so interesting because his film shows you get job done guy.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, Iowa.

[Chris Beem]

He's from Iowa for sure what they do and they're gonna talk around the idea of him playing guard, which I think he'll be a phenomenal guard. But even though he doesn't have a whole bunch of range, pass setting, playing tackle, he's get job done guy at tackle. He ain't really losing reps there even if guys are like bursty around him. But anyway, strong, good knee, pushes guys around, physical looks to finish second level blocker. He actually picks on people smaller than him. I love that some guys like to just get out there and brun law a little bit. Nah, he's trying to smoke people on the second and third level. I love that about him. He played a ton of competition. That's so important to me. I'll give you credit for getting whooped by Ohio State or Penn State like top talent guys than for you to be in some smaller school and just whoop all the people that you should be whooping. So Jennings dunker does have rough reps out there, but it's against top tier like top talented dudes. I love that about him. As far as a pass setter, great hands, strong hands, he latches on quickly, grip, grip and all that's nice. But I don't think he has the range to get to his landmark all that efficiently. He could be a little tight hip sometimes. So I think he will be a better guard but I say that but he get out there cool though on the next level he may have some issues with some bursty bendy guys or whatever but. But I don't think he has an issue with him on film based on what I'm saying because he's a good job done guy. Pull's cool, thump's cool, all that kind of stuff. I like him. I got a. As a guard he'll be a two for me. As a tackle he'll be a three. But I think he's a dude that could play.

[Aisha Morrison]

Really? Yeah. I mean as a guard he would be a 2 to me. As a tackle I would be. Well, yeah, I guess as a guard he would maybe be a late 2, 3. As a tackle he'd be 1. I like him as a tackle just because he's such a good mix of lateral, lateral, movement but also being able to be power like you powerful like you're talking about and what he's able to do in the run game. You know, Iowa runs a heavy zone, heavy zone. And for a tackle to be able to be effective in that and to be physical in that, I think says something about it. You mentioned the competition. He deals with bull rush well. He deals with power well. He has fantastic technique and I think that that helps him as well. But no, I, I agree with you. This is he a get the job guy down. Get the job done done guy type of guy. Get the job done type of guy. My God.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got it.

[Aisha Morrison]

It's a little hard to say.

[Chris Beem]

Yeah, get the job done type guy. Yeah, that's a rough one.

[Aisha Morrison]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You always hear talking about, especially whenever you've got those zone heavy schemes, the, the light feet, heavy hands and he's one of those guys. Yeah, he's got a very good mix moves significantly. He's. He's got an intensity to him, a mean streak to him and you can see it on film as well. I went back and kind of dove after we talked to him last week. I was like, I haven't seen enough of him to really talk about him. And so I went back and looked at a couple of his games and like you said, there are some bad reps, especially against Ohio State. He kind of got whooped around a little bit, but he's got some actual, some top notch tape.

[Chris Beem]

That's real competition. I would rather that. I would rather that. Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

You got to watch Nadam Tuck Tucker too, huh? Nadam Tucker.

[Chris Beem]

Tucker will position because it's early for me still. It's February still.

[Aisha Morrison]

He. I thought. Yes. I apologize. Western Michigan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

At a Western Michigan. Sorry. Anyway, go ahead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He was fun at the Senior bowl too.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, that does it for us here on the draft show. We will be back on Thursday. It'll be this same group. Aisha will be back again filling in as the rest of the group is at the super bowl this week. Be sure to keep up with their coverage throughout as well. Well, special thanks to V. Lombardi, Aisha Morrison, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. We will see you on Thursday with more of the draft show. Thanks for watching. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football club.

[Aisha Morrison]

Foreign.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman.

[Kyle Yeomans]

From dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules.

[Julian Edelman]

Rob, I've never asked, are you a dips guy?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like the workout out? You can't tell.

[Julian Edelman]

No, I mean for your chips.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, I knew that. Yeah, of course.

[Julian Edelman]

You gotta try this new Daisy's French onion dip. Goes great on Sundays.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like the sound of that. Everyone knows you need a good dip for game day. Personally, I like to dip everything I can. Veggies, crackers, chips. Heck, I might even dip a buffalo wing in there.

[Julian Edelman]

That reminds me, they also have Daisy's ranch dip.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now you're speaking my language.

[Julian Edelman]

Yup, seems like a no brainer on game day. So get out there and give the French onion dip a try.

[Chris Beem]

You won't regret it.