Draft Show: Trade Up Fallout?

Summary

The Draft Show (April 14, 2026): Trade Up Fallout?

Podcast: The Draft Show
Hosts: Kyle Yeomans, Voch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish, Chris Beam
Episode Theme: With just nine days before the 2025 NFL Draft, the crew dives deep into the swirling chaos at the top of the board, focusing on Dallas Cowboys options regarding trading up, staying put, or moving down. They debate the value of "game changers" vs. multiple contributors, review top scenarios, and address listener questions about prospects, team needs, and draft strategy.

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Episode Overview

The panel, nine days from the draft, explores the uncertainty at the top of the 2025 NFL Draft—specifically picks 1 through 12. Amidst wild scenarios and conflicting buzz, they scrutinize trade-up possibilities for the Cowboys, debate strategy between moving for a single star or staying put for depth, and break down possible selections through rounds three and four if Dallas does make a major move. The episode is rich in candid scouting opinions, real-time prospect evaluations (notably Robert Henry), and listener-driven prospect talk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Climate Nine Days Before the Draft

• Unprecedented Uncertainty at the Top

  • No consensus on picks 1-11; teams and experts disagree sharply about prospects and positions that will go early.
  • Unpredictable run on WRs or defenders could force Dallas into tough trade-up or trade-down spots.
  • "No one knows... This is going to have a ton of parody in the top 12. That is still remaining the case." - Nick Harris [05:29]

• The Draft Starts at Pick 2

  • Expected debate: Will the Jets at #2 select Arvell Reese, David Bailey, or trade out?
  • Cardinals (pick 3) and others might pivot between best available (Reese/Bailey) and position need (OT Maui Noah).
  • "The interesting part about this draft is there are so many players at non-premium positions that are so good... Do you throw it all out the window?" - Tommy Yarish [07:40]

• Dallas’ Unsettled Approach

  • Front office is monitoring how things fall, prepared to pounce or wait it out; flexibility and patience are key.
  • "Dallas, to me, is the top candidate, like the earliest candidate in the draft to want to go up..." - Tommy Yarish [09:10]

Trade-Up Scenarios: Cost, Risk & Strategic Value

• Major Risks of Trading Up Early

  • Cost to jump to #3 (from #12): "12, 20, and then 92," possibly next year’s second.
  • Dangers: Trading up before the board is clear may result in losing out on targeted players if WR/CB run differs from projections.

• Optimal Trade-Up Windows

  • Hosts agree: “It doesn't start until 6... that’s your first real opportunity” - Nick Harris [09:39]
  • Moving up to 6, 9, or even 10/11 preferable for value; allows Dallas to retain more picks.
  • “If you move to six or nine, you still get to pick multiple times... you have the ability to add a game changer.” - Kyle Yeomans [13:19]

• “Game Changer vs. Multiple Contributors”

  • Save assets for multiple contributors unless a can’t-miss prospect (i.e., Bailey or Reese) is within reach.
  • "Do you want two contributors or one game changer? It may be the defense needs two contributors.” - Tommy Yarish [13:04]

The “True Game Changer” Debate

• Only Bailey and Reese Worth Top-3 Trade Up

  • "If you're going up that high...you need a 10-sack guy." - Nick Harris [16:54]
  • Sonny Styles, while excellent, doesn’t fit Cowboys' “instant impact” expectations at that price.
  • Bailey is “pro ready” and projects as the only rookie edge who could hit double-digit sacks. [17:29]

• Floor vs. Ceiling

  • Bailey: high floor, likely Pro-Bowl caliber, strong run defender but seen as less high-ceiling than Carter (Giants 2025).
  • "I feel comfortable that Bailey’s going to be a Pro Bowl player." - Tommy Yarish [19:55]

Real-Time Scouting: Robert Henry (UTSA RB)

• Instant Evaluations
  • “Robert Henry, so far he’s looking nice.” - Bobby Belt [06:05]
  • “Contact balance, change of direction, tall stance… breaking tackles… Robert Henry from UTSA is going crazy.” - Bobby Belt [27:04]
  • Consensus: Fifth/sixth round “steal” potential; productive even vs. major programs like A&M.

Twitter on the 20 (Listener Q&A Highlights)

Start, Bench, Cut: Ohio State Defenders (28:00)

• Downs (S), Reese (LB/EDGE), Styles (LB/Hybrid).
• Most prefer:
  • Start: Downs, Bench: Reese, Cut: Styles (for Dallas’ fit).

Day 3 Physical Freaks (29:08)

• Takario Davis (CB, Washington)
  • “The tallest corner... longest wingspan… makes even the biggest missteps non-fatal.” - Nick Harris [29:16]
• Markel Bell (OT, Miami)
  • 6’9”/346: “Raw... but moves well for 6’9.” - Kyle Yeomans [32:34]
• Lorenzo Styles (Athlete, Ohio State)
  • “Ridiculous athlete with next to no instincts... total project, but traits are there.” - Tommy Yarish [34:44]

Best Mid/Late-Round Safety Fits for Dallas (39:23)

• Trade and Stukes (Arizona), Jalen Kilgore (South Carolina), Wheatley (Penn State), Halsey (LSU), Bud Clark (TCU).
• Most have Wheatley and Halsey as top third-round fits.

Trade Fallout: What Should Dallas Target at 92 & 112? (46:37)

• If Linebacker (e.g., Styles) at 6:

  • 92: Edge rusher like Max Llewellyn (Iowa), Romelo Height, Derek Moore
  • 112: Safety/corner like Genesis Smith, Jaden Kennedy, Chandler Rivers
  • "You can address your three biggest needs that way—Range as hell, get picks, takes away crosses..." - Bobby Belt [47:41]

• If Edge Early:

  • 92/112: LB like Jacob Rodriguez, Josiah Trotter
  • S/CB options: Bishop Fitzgerald, Kilgore, Bud Clark, Stukes.

• On Igbinosun (CB, Ohio State):

  • Why less buzz? Technique and off-field flags impact perception. But real coverage skills—“He had a seven-game stretch... five receptions for 43 yards”—put him as CB5 on Nick's board. [58:51]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

Draft Parity & Fog

• "No one knows. It's getting worse. We said this was going to be parity-filled and it's still the case. The draft still begins at pick number two." - Nick Harris [05:29]

Game Changer vs. Multiple Contributors

• "Do you want a couple contributors or one game changer? It may be the case that the defense does need two contributors instead of one game changer." - Tommy Yarish [13:04]

Robert Henry “Live” Scouting

• “I’m telling you... Robert Henry from UTSA is going crazy. Please.” - Bobby Belt [15:20]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:46–04:33: Setting the stage: Draft countdown, uncertainty, Nick’s process, prospect obsessive jokes
• 04:33–14:02: Top-12 chaos, Dallas trade-up scenarios, the “wipeout” risk, what would justify a move
• 14:02–20:03: What’s worth it at what pick, floor vs. ceiling, Bailey vs. others, debate on positional needs
• 21:41–38:13: Twitter on the 20 — Robert Henry evaluation, start-bench-cut, day-three athlete targets
• 39:23–42:10: Mid/late-round safety fits for Dallas (Wheatley, Clark, etc.) and stacking safety boards
• 46:37–54:55: Trade up fallouts: What do you do at 92/112, edge/LB/S fits, philosophy on older rookies (25+)
• 57:02–59:22: Further late-day strategy, nickel as sweet spot, deep-corner talk, and closing debate on value

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Conclusion

The war room energy is high and tense, with no one (including teams) having a firm pulse on the board's top half. The hosts advocate for patience and flexibility from Dallas, discourage early all-in moves unless for a true difference-maker, and stress the value of maximizing picks in uncertain conditions. Fans get up-to-date positional fits, day-three athletes with upside, and live scouting flavor absent in mainstream coverage—all delivered with camaraderie and expert banter that keeps the pre-draft nerves real.

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Next Episode: Thursday, 11am Central—one week out from the 2025 NFL Draft!

Transcript

[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Vach Lombardi]

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[Bobby Belt]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Vach Lombardi]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Today is Tuesday, April 14, 2026, and we are nine days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome in to the draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas G Cowboys. This segment is brought to you by your Texas Ford dealers. Ford is the best in Texas. We've got everybody here today. Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby Belt with Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans, Gentlemen. Officially into single digits now, nine days away. This is coming up quick.

[Nick Harris]

I need like six more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You need to just add another day or another week every year.

[Nick Harris]

I'm like, I need like six more days, but it's all good. We're gonna be ready to go.

[Tommy Yarish]

You don't need six more days.

[Nick Harris]

I do.

[Tommy Yarish]

This is like behind the scenes. I think it was week one or maybe preseason. We were just like chit chatting about like, oh, college football, season's coming up. And Nick is like, yeah, I think I'm already like 150 players from Springsteen. Like, what is wrong with you? What is wrong with you?

[Nick Harris]

The thing is, like, spring study really means nothing once I get to like, January because, like, all that stuff was the year prior. It was more so about just like.

[Tommy Yarish]

But if you had 150 players in August, you're fine.

[Nick Harris]

150 players in August, though. I knew 150 that would be in the draft in August.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But anyway, we all started December 1st.

[Nick Harris]

What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to watch at least eight games of everybody in the top 50. And it's just. It's taking me a minute. It has really taken me a minute. That is the process I'm at right now.

[Bobby Belt]

You know what that what you get. That's what you get. When we in January talking about top five people, you talking about, well, Robert Henry from what's his name?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Utsx.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah. He could be a guy that you can go to in the second. Like, dog, we talking about top 12 people now. You know what I'm saying? Now look at you.

[Tommy Yarish]

Nick knows every, like, multi directional religious school. Wide receiver when he went to high school.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wide receiver out of you. Umb. No, it's like.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, it's Northeast.

[Nick Harris]

West. West Mercyhurst Tech.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, Northeast. Pope John II University or whatever.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, there's a kid out of Tyler Junior College. You're an East Texas guy, so I

[Nick Harris]

guess you would know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Anyways. Yeah. Vox, did you watch Robert Henry? Is that why he was fresh on the mind?

[Bobby Belt]

Hell no. Like Nick just mentioned, you know, watch him last week. Well, well, see, Kyle, I have a, A, A strict schedule that I go by, okay? So I'm at 206 players. If I ain't got you, I ain't got you, bro. You know what I'm saying? If we get to draft day and pick 2:15 and that person ends up being a pro Bowler, bro, you deserve it. I didn't watch a film, dog. My bad. But for the top 206 people I got, hey, man, I'm a talk about y' all all day and hopefully if I ain't got it, Kyle got it. If Kyle ain't got it, Nick knows something about you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got it, Nick.

[Bobby Belt]

Nick know where you went to school and you played. Tracking all your records in basketball and all that. We gonna be fine. Draft day. But I'm not gonna kill myself trying to get to 301. I'm not. Dang. I'm vouch.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, I got. I got the 200. And now it's all about just taking notes, like it's all about the, the info from there. But I need you to get to 207, please. I want you to watch Robert Henry. I want you to watch the running back from utsa.

[Bobby Belt]

Just do it for me while we're doing this show. While we doing this show, I'm about to watch Robin Henry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, watch.

[Bobby Belt]

Let's run it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A live film breakdown by Vach Lombardi on Robert Henry.

[Bobby Belt]

And while y' all breaking down, day three, running back. And while y' all breaking down, other stuff I should be like, damn, you know, saying, yeah, we'll just. Cool. Go ahead, Robert Henry. I got you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are you laughing at? Back in the corner.

[Tommy Yarish]

I'm enjoying all of this. It's great. It's getting close. We. We just need to go ahead and roll into draft. Draft needs to get here. There's way too many scenarios, there's way too many outcomes that keep rattling through My brain and there's way too much calling around and talking to other people that are not even Dallas related. Just trying to figure out like, okay, what's. So what's happening here, what's going on? And this just feels like it could go so many different directions for Dallas and for really everybody else.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So with that being said, 1 through 11, and this is kind of what's getting to the important side of things as we get nine days away from the NFL draft is there's a lot of trade up, trade down scenarios being talked about. But in order to effectively use your trade capital and to actually move in a manner that is beneficial for your franchise and not going to hurt you in the long term is you have to know, at least to a certain extent what's going to happen in front of you based on your conversations. And this is open to the, to the panel based on your conversations. Is it becoming any more clearer what 1 through 11 is going to look like in front of Dallas and why Dallas would need to trade up in order to avoid a wipeout scenario?

[Nick Harris]

I talked to one person and one person will be like, yeah, I think all three receivers will go top 11. You know, there's certainly going to be some defenders left for you there at 12. Then I'll talk to another person, be like, yeah, it's going to be like all defense in the top 11. So no one knows.

[Tommy Yarish]

No, it's getting worse.

[Nick Harris]

It is when, when we said at the top of the entire draft process and one of the first shows that we had here is like, this is going to have a ton of parody in the top 12. That is still remaining the case. The draft still begins at pick number two this year. It's. Is it going to be Arvl Reese? Is it going to be David Bailey? The jets going to trade out of it? You know, it starts at that point. And so from there on, I don't feel like there's any certainties in the top 12. Whereas, like in recent years, you could look at, you could look at the top six and pencil it in. So you got a nice play over there.

[Tommy Yarish]

Vouch.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, man, watch. Reverse Texan. 177 yards. There's this one and he's in his

[Nick Harris]

tall stands to do that against A

[Bobby Belt]

and M. Hey, look, he's in his tall stands. You know what I mean? So I'm already sick of running backs in the tall stands. Cause I just assumed that y'. All. He does do that, just jockeying everybody else. And boy, that was just this kind of One play. And look, first of all, Texas, who this is utsa. Okay, cool. They probably ain't gonna be blocking A and M all day like this, but just fantastic. I'm in the alley right now. Defender come down and bounce to the outside. Contact, balance. Hey, man, Robert Henry. So far he's looking nice, but go

[Tommy Yarish]

ahead, UTSA put offensive lineman in the NFL.

[Chris Beam]

Talking about here. Don't put it past him.

[Bobby Belt]

Well, Albert Regis is a guy that I like. You know, Torian York and Torian York. So they got some dudes in the, in the front seven now, you know what I'm saying? But I just happened to see Albert Regis get washed to the side there and Robin Henry is doing well with his reads and stuff. Go ahead, Tommy, respond to what Kyle was saying.

[Chris Beam]

No, I completely agree with Nick that this thing starts at pick two because I think and by at two, I think they're. It's going to either going to be Reese or Bailey. That's what it seems like to me that New York's going to do if they decide to stick and pick. The Cardinals have so many different ways they can go too, because it can either be all right, we'll just take the consolation prize of Reese or Bailey, which is not a consolation prize. You're getting a good football player. Or do they want to shore up the offensive line and they take Maui Noah 3 from Miami? I think that would be a just fine pick. But the interesting part about this draft is there's so many players at the non premium positions that are so good that do you throw it all out the window or do we see the NFL stick to what it's done traditionally to where those positions of higher value typically in the draft you just kind of reach on guys like a Monroe Freeling who we've seen go to set six a lot in mocks to the Cleveland Browns or something like that versus, hey, Caleb Downs as the chance to revolutionize your defense or Sonny Styles has a chance to man the middle of your defense for 7, 8, 9, 10 years. And just because they're not at those premium positions that we've seen in the past, like an offensive tackle or pass rusher, teams decide to pass on them. Our friend Vod says all the time the teams are not great at drafting. So is that, is that what this is going to come down to? It is so hard to get a clear read on this because I don't know if NFL teams have a clear read on this.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think just specifically talking about Dallas because there's obviously been a Lot of smoke about where they might move or if they'll stand and pick or whatever. I think that they're gonna. Because there's so much uncertainty, I think they're gonna get into the draft, they're gonna look at it and they're gonna watch the way stuff starts happening. So, like, for instance, if you were to see Sonny Styles, who's been thought to be highest generally going five to the Giants, generally, there have been some that have been higher, but if he were to go to the Titans at 4, that all of a sudden starts shifting a bunch of different stuff where it's like, all right, well, if Styles is already going at four and now who knows what the Giants are doing? And you start seeing stuff like that, that may cause them to shift and go, all right, go up, because we're gonna start losing people. Or it could be a case where five, the giant surprise people, and they go, you know what? Maui know is here, and we want to get bigger in the trenches. Let's go, Maui Noah. And then Cleveland can't move back. And then Cleveland goes, you know, Fano. And then you start seeing some stuff happen ahead of you where you're like, we can sit. So I think Dallas is just going to be like some other teams going to be watching things and eyeing it to see how do things fall ahead of us in the first couple picks, and then we're going to make a decision to go or not. And I think when you look at the way the board is stacked in terms of who's picking where, Dallas, to me, is the top candidate, like the earliest candidate in the draft to want to go up. And so there is a bit of a benefit of you might be the highest valued suitor for one of these teams that's up there. And if there's not a big buyer's market and there's four teams that want to bail out, Dallas might be the bell of the ball, essentially, for them.

[Nick Harris]

And you might get a good deal out of it. Yeah, you might get a good deal out of it. So I think personally, for me, I know I've seen some situations where the Cowboys jump up to three with Arizona or even four with Tennessee. For me, it doesn't start until six, I think with the Cleveland Browns at six, I think that's your first real opportunity to go up there and make something happen, you know, and then there's. Then there's opportunities at 8, 9, 10, and even 11. If you wanted to just do the one spot swap with Miami, if you feel like they would Take a corner off the board that you want. So there's a lot of opportunities. And then if you stick and pat, stick and pick at 12, you better hope that offensive guys are going in the top 11. So there's just. There's so much fluidity to this whole ordeal. You know, people have asked me too, like, hey, okay, then why not make a trade now? Why not make a trade now? So you know what it is? Going into draft day, it's kind of like Bobby just explained, you got to see how the board falls. And it's. They love wheeling and dealing on the clock. And so that's. That's what I would expect. And here in this draft room or here in this podcast studio in. In nine days, we're going to be taking a look at that camera quite a bit to see if those phones are ringing from. From the start of pick three, pick four.

[Tommy Yarish]

Let's just like, for example, to Nick's point where he says, why not just make the deal now? Or people would ask, why not make. Just. Just make the deal now? Let's say you were to go up to three and you were to sacrifice, you know, 12, 20, and then 92, and you're going up to get three. And that doesn't even totally match up on the trade valley chart. But Arizona may be in a place where that's the best deal they could get. So if you were to go up to three and sacrifice all that capital, well, then let's say, you know, love goes right after that, and then you add to Tennessee and then you've got maybe Lemon, Tate and Tyson. Maybe all three of those do go in the top 10. There's a lot of smoke around Kansas City and Tyson, there's a lot of smoke about Lemon, tape to New Orleans and tape before that. So if you start seeing that, then you're looking at it and going, okay, we just traded away all this capital because we thought we wouldn't have anything. And now Downs is sitting there at 12. We could have just sat there, picked, and then still had 20 and 92.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

And so I think that that's going to be. There's so much uncertainty about who may bail out, who's successful in bailing out, where teams are going to go with certain things that I think everybody's just kind of hands off, waiting to see, where does this go?

[Bobby Belt]

Bob, let me ask you, because you love Bailey, would you rather have Bailey or this might be easy as answer Bailey or down do it at 20 and do it at 92. Because just looking at my board, Cowboys need defense and defense is plentiful at 92 and 112. So moving up. Just me personally watching, watching film with these guys, I wouldn't want to move away from those guys because I think guys in those ranges can help you a lot.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, if you're guaranteeing me downs is there at 12, I'm not moving. Yeah, but if you're telling me downs would be gone by 10 and Delane will be gone and you know, Styles will be gone, now I'm seeing all right, what's nine to go, make sure I get downs. What's six to see if I could be in contention for styles. What's three potentially to see what's Bailey or Reese, whatever the jets leave you. So, yeah, I think that if it's a guarantee, downs is there. Absolutely. I'm taking downs and then I'm waiting 20 and 92 and I'm feeling much better about things even if, though, and

[Bobby Belt]

I'm not the biggest fault guy. But I'm just going to say this for the, you know, just, just, just to say, even if it's Falk at 12, I still would take Falk dude at 20, do it at 92, do that 112, then shooting the dice on Bailey at 3. And I love Bailey, but I just think the, the Cowboys, like, they got a bunch of knees and I think

[Kyle Yeomans]

you need more than just that.

[Bobby Belt]

There's a bunch of dudes that can help you. You can kind of spread it, you know, spread it out a little bit.

[Tommy Yarish]

The question, I guess is that do you want, do you need a couple contributor? If I told you you could have two contributors or one game changer. Like, I mean, it may be a case that the defense does need two contributors instead of one game changer. But I think you are looking at that question if you're talking about going up to three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's, that's where I don't think the conversation should start at 3, even though it might. I think it needs to start at 6 or 9 and then you can maybe have those conversations because then you have the opportunity to still pick multiple times. You still get to pick in the second round or late in the first round again. So if you're moving to six or you're moving to nine, you have the ability to add a game changer because you're getting inside the top 10 and you're going to get one of those big six names that we've talked about. Or you take a, you take that player and then you turn around, you still get another contributor in the late first, early second. If you're going up to three, you're trading honestly, your opportunity to revamp the defense as a whole to get a game changing.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, so. So the question, like, for instance, look at each one of those spots. Let's say you go to three. Three, you're probably giving up minimum if you get a deal, even 1220, 92

[Nick Harris]

or 1220, next year's two.

[Tommy Yarish]

So, yeah, something like that. But let's just for the sake of it, say 1220, 92, and then you keep. You keep next year's pick. If you're going up to three, that's Bailey or Reese. Right now, people would trend towards that. Probably be Reese, because Bailey's projected to go to. There's still a lot of jets people that are insistent it's going to be Reese. But let's say it's. It's Reese. That falls to you at three. So do you want Reese at three? Or let's say you go up six, you get six and 39 for 12 and 20. And now six is. I don't know, let's say it's downs, downs at six, 39 is Jake Gold Day, or, you know, Jake Rodriguez, whatever, one of those. Or you go up to nine, swap with Kansas City. 9 and 29 for 12 and 20, and now it's 9 is Delane. 29 is. Take your pick. Whoever's sitting there at the back end, at linebacker or whatever spot you would want, or just sit there at 12 and gamble and then hold on to all your stuff. Like, I mean, all those different scenarios I think have benefits to them, depending on how they fall. It's just a matter of what would you prefer? What makes the biggest difference.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, I tell you, no matter what, I'm trying to draft Robert Henry in the damn six.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm telling you.

[Bobby Belt]

Going crazy on the film. I'm gonna keep watching. I'm gonna let y' all keep talking, but Robert Henry from UTSA is going crazy. Please. Do we have highlights of Robin Henry? Do we have highlights right?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, we don't right now. He said he'll get to it.

[Bobby Belt]

Man, we got kissing Robin here. Go ahead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. I'm telling you, this is why I wanted you to watch him.

[Bobby Belt]

I got you.

[Tommy Yarish]

Kyle, can I ask a question?

[Nick Harris]

Yes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's that?

[Tommy Yarish]

Okay, I'm filling in for voucher or just ask for the room in general.

[Bobby Belt]

Questions matter.

[Tommy Yarish]

They've talked it like there's been people suggesting, ooh, could the Cowboys go up three? McShay started, I think Todd McShay and then it's. It's kind of chattered some other people more theoretical than anything.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Somebody did it the other day.

[Tommy Yarish]

Let's say they went up to 3. Is that 100% Reese or Bailey or would it be 3 to Styles?

[Nick Harris]

It would have to be Race or Bailey.

[Tommy Yarish]

I would think so. But, but, but if it's Bailey who's left there? Let's say Reese goes because Reese can play linebacker. If it's B. Bailey. Bailey's not filling linebacker for you.

[Nick Harris]

Well, you're talking about.

[Tommy Yarish]

You need.

[Nick Harris]

You need a game changer if you're going up that high and you're giving up that much capital. I love Sonny Styles. I don't know if he's necessarily a. I can't say.

[Tommy Yarish]

Do you feel like Styles floor right now is 5.

[Nick Harris]

Yes.

[Tommy Yarish]

So if that's the case, we're talking about 3, 6.

[Nick Harris]

So I feel like. No, I feel like Styles is floor. His. His ceiling is five. The ceiling is.

[Tommy Yarish]

See I like. I think he could go as early as Titans, Giants 5 and then after that there's a chance he could be somewhere. But I think it's very narrow.

[Chris Beam]

Interesting.

[Bobby Belt]

I don't think Sonny gonna say the like I like them.

[Nick Harris]

That's what I mean.

[Bobby Belt]

And the long term of them is cool. But giving up that much capital to hope that Sonny saves the world for you. I wouldn't assume that Sonny's going to save the world.

[Nick Harris]

You need a 10 sack guy if you're going up that.

[Tommy Yarish]

Would Reese play linebacker? You think of Reg Edge.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

You would need a guy who to come in and give you 10 sacks year one. And if he doesn't then it's. It's not fulfilling expectations.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So the only two guys that can do that are Reese and Bailey.

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, if it's year one, the only guy who can do that I think is Bailey.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It probably.

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't think recent 10 sax is rookie.

[Nick Harris]

That's fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I could see that lots of.

[Bobby Belt]

I don't think Bailey is neither.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do you feel the same way because you're a hater?

[Bobby Belt]

Nah, it's just, you know, as rushes year one just get a little weird. But please, please, Tommy, go ahead.

[Chris Beam]

I think Bailey.

[Bobby Belt]

It would be.

[Chris Beam]

It may not be easy, but I think Bailey could get you 10 sacks in year one.

[Tommy Yarish]

Bailey's pro ready to me like that's ready to go.

[Chris Beam]

He's. He's only gotten better every year that he's played in college and I was looking at a stat yesterday and then Stat nerd Nick Harris countered me. But we're going to ignore that. In the two years that David Bailey played at the last two years David Bailey played at Stanford, he started seven of their 22 games, but he led the team in sacks and tackles for loss. And he just continues to get better and better each year and then he doubles the sack total going into the last year of college. Sure, college NFL is very different, but I think he's juiced up. I think he can change games for you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What was the stack counter, please?

[Nick Harris]

The question I asked back to him is like, okay, what was the like sacks per pass rush snap versus his year at Texas Tech, which I went back and looked and the, the production that he did have at Stanford was significantly higher than if you're looking at like per on a per snap rate than it was. Than it was. But that doesn't mean that like his production was bad. He led the FPS at sacks.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah. And to be, to be fair, at Stanford, like if you go back and watch the same, he's coming in a lot of like very obvious pass row situations. They're putting him in there like to like pin his ears back and go.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. And it lead me also to the question of, okay, how many run snaps was he playing at Stanford? How many run snaps did he play at Tech last year? And it made me go back and look at some run snap stuff. So I appreciate that, Tommy.

[Chris Beam]

You're welcome.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good job, guys.

[Chris Beam]

I'll just mess it with him. But yeah, no. So I think if you're going up to get that high, then yeah, it's Bailey or Reese. And I think Bailey fits you better for what you need now versus Reese, who can be incredible, but he doesn't. He hasn't had as much time on task at one certain position. He's been asked to do so many different things that you are going to have to be willing to give him a Runway a little bit. I don't know if this team is in position to give him that long of a Runway. Who knows how long it'll actually turn out to be. But if I'm Dallas, I'm looking at either that six scenario where you go up to six and you get 39, or you swap your first with the Chiefs and hope that they're good with just the swaps and maybe throw in like a fifth or something or a sixth and just say hello to your good friends in the Hunt family.

[Bobby Belt]

There you go, Tommy, Bobby, do y' all like Bailey more than Carter last year? Got dreaded by, by the Giants.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Like him better than Carter?

[Chris Beam]

No.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

You liked Carter more?

[Chris Beam]

Yes,

[Tommy Yarish]

Carter. Carter to me was so much more ceiling. Whereas like to me, Bailey's a little more floor.

[Bobby Belt]

I thought she was sailing guy.

[Tommy Yarish]

I like ceiling. I mean it's great. I love having potential. But like Bailey, to me, I feel comfortable that Bailey's going to be a Pro bowl player.

[Nick Harris]

Okay.

[Bobby Belt]

We're not fighting. I'm just trying.

[Tommy Yarish]

No, yeah, yeah. No, I like, I, I went back and I was watching Bailey again, just kind of refreshing on him yesterday and it's just like it underlined everything that I initially felt about him when I watched it. He's so. I think he's got such high end traits to be like a consistent double digit sack guy. I think he's got the chance to be a really, really high level run defender. I think he's generally a pretty good run defender. Like I know Zach Walcheck is talked about this like he's a little more cautious about him against the run. I think Broadus is too. I think Bailey's shown to be a really strong run defender who a lot of his issues I think are just more about over eagerness and aggressiveness and you know, needing to play a little more disciplined.

[Bobby Belt]

If Bailey can give you like a James Pierce type here and look James Pierce doing goofy stuff but like hopefully on the field. Yeah, just on the field stuff. If he can give you a James Pierce type year, then yeah, I think it's probably worth moving up.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It would be worth it.

[Bobby Belt]

I just don't know if you're going to do that. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

By the way, you mentioned Zach Wolchuk and Brian Broadus. We did get official word this week that they are going to be a part of our draft coverage this year on Dallas Cowboys.com and 105 through the Fan Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. So excited to have that.

[Bobby Belt]

Seven people, nine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

We only have five microphones, so we'll have to rotate.

[Tommy Yarish]

Brought us a lavish chair in the hallway.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, he'll be hanging out and watching through the window doing his thing. But yes, we will get the return of Brian Broadus and we'll also have Zach Wolchuk on draft weekend. So excited to see those guys back in the building. All right, when we come back, we've got some Twitter on the 20. We're answering your NFL draft questions when we come back. Nine days away from the NFL draft right here on the draft show.

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[Bobby Belt]

Some kid come to the camp and Booker's over there pushing the hell out of him because he lost a race with him. Can you just imagine the bad. The bad P.R. we'll get on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, it'd be great.

[Chris Beam]

I love it.

[Bobby Belt]

Go sign up.

[Tommy Yarish]

So, Tyler Book, you should tell Book that sometime that he lost. I would love to tell him. Yeah, you should see his reaction.

[Bobby Belt]

I'd love to tell him.

[Tommy Yarish]

We did that last year, training camp. He didn't respond to it.

[Bobby Belt]

Well, he'd be all right.

[Tommy Yarish]

He told. He told Sean, we can go out here and race right now if that's the case.

[Bobby Belt]

No, he would beat me in the race. But he pushed the kid over.

[Tommy Yarish]

No, he said my hair went over. He said, that's the rules. And he's like. I pushed him to, like, show dominance after I won. He's like, I'd already won.

[Bobby Belt]

You gotta have maniacs like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The eye in the sky don't lie. I don't know if he won or not. First question is from Maria. She wants to know how your Robert Henry Jr. Film is gone.

[Bobby Belt]

He's beating the hell out of North Texas and Kyle don't like it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I don't like it.

[Bobby Belt]

Robert Henry. I'm seeing some contact, balance, change of direction, you know what I'm saying? Tall, stance. They throwing the ball to him. He's good to go there. Breaking tackles. And I know that most of his film is like Temple and, you know, Tulane and USF or whatever, but just

[Kyle Yeomans]

those are some good teams. Solid team, was in the college football playoffs.

[Bobby Belt]

But go watch A and M where the real football players are. And he's doing Some fantastic things there. So I'm going to put Robert Henry on my board. Five or six or something like that. I like him. There's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I had him in the early fifth, so, yeah, that's probably where it's at. But I think he's a steal. He's one of those guys that could develop. What was that?

[Tommy Yarish]

Don't do that with that little A and M. Where the real football players are. I've seen plenty of Jimbo classes bust,

[Bobby Belt]

so I'm from Mississippi. I don't have this Texas beef that y' all be having, you know what I'm saying? So I'm not involved in that. But just for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Also, I hate the group of five. Slander. I think the group of five can play some football.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, whatever.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who won the national championship this year? Indiana. Right. Where did most of their starters come from? James Madison. Oklahoma State's gonna win the Big 12 this year, so let's just watch that

[Chris Beam]

Connor Wigman and Houston have something to say about that.

[Tommy Yarish]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we're moving on. Kevin wants to know.

[Nick Harris]

You're welcome, everybody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was terrible. Kevin wants to know. Start, bench, cut for the Dallas Cowboys. All right, start, bench, cut.

[Tommy Yarish]

Kenneth Murray. Cut.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Caleb.

[Bobby Belt]

Thank you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Caleb. Downs.

[Nick Harris]

I need to bring that bit back.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's going to be back next year. Caleb Downs. Arvell Reese, Sonny Styles. All three Ohio State guys. Three different positions.

[Tommy Yarish]

Downs, Restiles.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Start, bench, cut.

[Nick Harris]

If I'm going by my board, then I'm starting.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, this is for the Cowboys.

[Tommy Yarish]

I know.

[Bobby Belt]

Oh, for the Cowboys. Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

On their defense.

[Chris Beam]

Start. Go ahead, Go ahead. You got it.

[Nick Harris]

First. I would start. I would start. Reese. Bench, downs, cut. Styles. If I was going by my board.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, by the board. Reese down. Styles ready to play next year. Downs, Restyles.

[Chris Beam]

By my board. Down. Starts. Reese's bench and Styles is cut.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Interesting.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay, I'm gonna.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I think I'm with the same three. Michael wants to know who is the best physical freak to take a flyer on on day three.

[Nick Harris]

Ooh, physical free.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He said in the seventh. But I'm just gonna say day three because it's hard to tell.

[Nick Harris]

I mean, I can give you a seven.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go for it.

[Nick Harris]

Physical freak. I really, like. We've talked about Charles Demings a lot. I like, give me Takario Davis, one of those two palm trees that Washington has on the outside at corner. I like it six four, one, nine four. Uh, yeah, the. The physicality certainly shows up. He's.

[Bobby Belt]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Here we go. Here we go. Look at that. Palm Tree in the red zone. Getting some red zone work there. Uh, he's the tallest corner in the class. He's also got the longest wingspan in the class at 80ft or excuse me, 80 inches and 78. 80, 80 and 78 inches. Sorry. It gives him natural advantages. It makes even the biggest of missteps and coverage that he does have. I will say it makes them non fatal just because of how long his limbs actually do stretch. I like him more in his own scheme. He doesn't necessarily have to cover step for step, but he can use his instincts to anticipate and then length to attack the ball. And then you see that physicality really show up at the catch point. But sometimes that size of physicality can lead to penalties. But overall, I like Takario Davis. I think if you get a healthy year under Takario Davis, he's going to be legit. He only played seven games last year, but before that, I mean, he was getting first round mocks going into the season last year coming in from Arizona. But yeah, he's, he's legit. I'm a, I'm a Takario Davis fan.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He had kind of like a. He had like a lingering hamstring. Right. That kind of kept him in and out of games.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, it was a. Oh my gosh, I just lost it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It was a rib and a hamstring.

[Nick Harris]

Ribbon hamstring and 25. Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And the. I thought one interesting note on him was that he's got a nickname, Bobo. And the reason why he's got that nickname was as a kid his brothers would call him that because of his bowl cut, like a haircut.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They call him Boba.

[Nick Harris]

Might have to slip him to the fifth.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. All right. Any other guys? Day three.

[Chris Beam]

I've got two for you. Okay. One guy we've talked. Guy we've talked about a lot. Kieran Crawford, the edge from Auburn. Six four, two, five three. 32 inch arms. I think you just turn on his tape and you see a guy who pops off the line of scrimmage. He's powerful. There we go. Thank you. Chris Beam just can run through everybody. Good contact balance like you saw there. To be able to get through blocks and slip through. I think he's still got some room to grow and you're going to have to give him a Runway. But I mean, he just pushed that big fellow back with one arm. I know that's like Ball State or Arkansas State or something. But nonetheless, I think you've got a good player there. And then the other one who Is just really unique athletic profile, but it's interesting to see if a team can make it work. Eric Gentry, the linebacker from USC, 6 foot 7, 221 pounds, 35 inch arms. It's going to be an interesting way to see how he fits in. Is it maybe more of like a special teams role, but there you see, you see long arms. He's not the biggest guy in the world. He's going to maybe struggle to tackle some of the bigger guys and get off blocks, but if you put him near receivers, he's going to be able to stretch those big arms out and knock down passes if he's near the line of scrimmage. We saw him do it a little bit at the Shrine bowl and he did some reps like that on tape in game settings this year as well. So an interesting seed way, way to see if that works out there. But there's a couple of guys just athletically that make catch your eye a little bit.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You said the. Not the biggest guy in the world. Well, I've got one of the biggest guys in the draft. How about Markel Bell, offensive tackle out of Miami?

[Nick Harris]

Too big?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think so.

[Bobby Belt]

Humongous man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I really don't. I think he's raw. Like in terms of his, his talent level. He's got a unique size profile. 6 foot 9, 346 pounds, which is just insane to say the least. Zero star recruit out of Mississippi, small school in Mississippi. Why was he not recruited? Because of his size. He goes to a community college, went to juco route, went to Holmes Community College and then Mario Cristobal picked him up, named him the human skyscraper. And he's, I mean he has the one starting experience, one year of starting experience at the Division 1 level. His height works against him because he's got the high pad level. Loses a ton of leverage. His feet drag behind a bit because of the, the movement and how long he is too. Bigger body, harder to move laterally. But I think he pairs some of that size well with the power and the hand placement. And his technique isn't perfect, but it's refined enough to where I think he can continue to learn and he can continue to add to it. Do you see something different on your end?

[Nick Harris]

No, not necessarily. I think he does carry that size well. It just kind of reminds me of the Cameron William situation from last year. Cameron Williams wasn't as tall, granted, but I just felt like there was some bad weight there. Kind of feel the same about Markel Bell and I don't know how you necessarily shed bad weight from a six, nine frame and still retain an ability to be powerful on the edge. But it.

[Bobby Belt]

He.

[Nick Harris]

I, I would like to see you say he's 346. I would like to see it at like 326. And I know you're asking him to be lean in that scenario, but 20

[Kyle Yeomans]

pounds drop for a six foot nine offensive tackle, that's a lot.

[Nick Harris]

Six foot nine and it's tough. It's. That's, that's where it gets tough.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He moves well though. Like, he really, he moves laterally. Okay. He will. Straight line speed and he moves for 6 foot 9.

[Nick Harris]

Miami's offensive line coach, Alex Mirabal, one of the best, if not my favorite in college football. So I will trust the development with Alex Mirrorball over anything that's. I have a third round grade on Markel Bell, but overall there was, there would be some things that I think he would need to clean up before being ready to start.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would say you have them higher than I do. I have him in the fourth. I was thinking day three.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, we're just, we're talking physical freak flyers, basically.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah. On day three.

[Tommy Yarish]

Lorenzo Styles.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

[Tommy Yarish]

Like it's. There's enough evidence that says that that family produces football players and a ridiculous athlete with next to no instincts. It feels like when you watch him play football, but a guy who's also converted from receiver in recent years and so I mean that'd be a total project and probably somebody who goes close to seventh round, I would guess. But Lorenzo Styles is one that if you just want to go on traits, it's a good one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Are you playing him at safety or are you moving him around a little bit?

[Tommy Yarish]

I think that like there's a, an inclination from some teams I think that want to play him at corner.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I think I would probably try him at corner.

[Tommy Yarish]

His is measurable matchup for corner.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I would want to try it there and see what happens.

[Tommy Yarish]

It's a lot easier to freelance in certain looks as a corner than it is as a safety. Agree?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got anybody? Vouch?

[Bobby Belt]

I was gonna say Markel Bell, but you know, you could just take any 6 foot 7 plus tackle. So like Isaiah World, guys like D pounds or like Crownover or whatever, like all those guys are like taller and if you like fix knee bend and like footwork and stuff like that, those guys could turn into decent tackles for you. I just have a hard time with the taller guys, you know, because I just value knee being so much and with them being so tall, they have to be super extra good at knee bend. So they work on those things. They'll be fine.

[Nick Harris]

I like Demetrius Crownover tackle from Texas A and M. He's a converted tight end.

[Tommy Yarish]

He crown over media.

[Nick Harris]

There you go. He. He entered the. He entered College station as a tight end, transitioned to tackle. I want to see him use his size a little bit more, though.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, for sure.

[Nick Harris]

He's be a lot more physical, but I don't feel like he uses it to his full advantage just yet.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Lane wants to know, let's say if the draft gods smile on you, you get Sonny Stiles and Caleb downs, both available at 12, which just. Yeah, that's a big smile from the draft gods. Are you thinking about moving back at least one spot or just taking one of your top two?

[Bobby Belt]

I'm just. I'm just taking downs. I'm thanking the draft guys. I'm not going to get greedy with the draft guys. I'm taking downs and I'm getting. And look, I know you need linebacker. I understand that there's a pressing need for linebacker, but I just got down so much higher on my board. I just think downs is probably going to help you a lot more day one than Sonny would. Robin Henry still going crazy. Colorado State right now. So I'm just going to go downs there and just let the next team get lucky, like the Ravens or something. Get Sonny.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I mean, go down. If you can go down one. I mean, there's no harm in that. If you, if you've got it. If you've just got a, like, coin flip. I don't even know. I mean, they did that with Micah and Rashawn Slater years ago where they were like, okay, we know one of them will be there. We'll let somebody decide for us. Both of them were there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

But yeah, for me, I would take downs. I think they would take styles.

[Bobby Belt]

So you would clearly take downs.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yes.

[Bobby Belt]

What I'm saying is, is if you trade back and they take downs now you're like, you may like Sonny, but I love downs.

[Tommy Yarish]

I like downs.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, I like Sonny.

[Nick Harris]

So I love both.

[Bobby Belt]

So Nick loves both. So just so just me in particular, I don't want somebody to make the decision for me. I'm taking the safety that I think can change everything with this DC that does calculus and it all depends on what he would do. So I'm just going to take downs.

[Tommy Yarish]

And I do think Sonny styles is pretty close to, like, when you study Some of the stuff that Christian Parker's talked about and you see the trees that he's come from. I think Styles checks a lot of boxes for what they would look for a linebacker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Chris Beam]

I think Downs would check a lot of the same boxes for what he likes in a nickel or a safety.

[Bobby Belt]

Talk to him, Tommy. Look at him. When you say.

[Chris Beam]

I'm just saying, look me in the eye. I'm not fighting with you. I'm just saying I think Downs does a lot of the same things.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

Do you disagree that they would take Styles over down? I think they would. I think if both of them are there, I think they take Styles.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah, I agree.

[Bobby Belt]

Probably.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So is that just because of bodies? It's because if you've added Jalen Thompson, you've added PJ Lock, you've added those guys at safety, they just. You haven't done anything at linebacker.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

I mean if you don't. If you, if you don't have Caleb Downs, you're starting Jalen Thompson and Malik Cooker. If you don't have Sonny Styles currently you're starting to Marvin over shown and Justin Baron or Shemar James. Yeah, I think Baron might actually fit more some of what they typically have looked for in that scheme. Shamar James does.

[Chris Beam]

It's a fair point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kind of along similar but a little bit different lines. Eric wants to know who is the best fit among potential later round safeties for Dallas and what they've been looking for. He, he listed these guys. Ramsey out of usc, Wheatley out of Penn State, Clark Smith. Who else could possibly be there as a fit for Dallas? Let's kind of hone in on this. 92, 112, that range.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Trade and Stukes out of Arizona. Did you mention him as one of those guys? I think he's the most versatile DB in this class. He can play anything. I think he throw him at nickel safety, free strong outside corner. He can play literally anything in the secondary mind.

[Tommy Yarish]

A lot of teams have him as a corner.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I have him as a safety. Personally, I feel like I want to maximize his range and so that's where I would place him at the next level. But he's shown all of it and that would be a guy for me if you're looking in that 92, 102 range. I also have Jalen Kilgore as a safety. I know he played more. I did too corner at South Carolina. But I feel the exact same way about. I feel like if you maximize his range, he'd be better fit in that type of range.

[Chris Beam]

I think you throw Wheatley from Penn State in there. I would be great with that at 92.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You think he even falls to 92, though?

[Chris Beam]

I doubt it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have a second.

[Chris Beam]

He might go. I don't know if he'll go. Like, I don't know if he'll go in the second, but if he's in the 80s, 70s to 80s range, I wouldn't be shocked at all. Another guy that you may hope falls there is Halsey from lsu. I don't know if he does.

[Nick Harris]

I would do triple backflips.

[Chris Beam]

Yeah. I like Kilgore from South Carolina as a safety, too. Bud Clark from TCU I think would fit. There's so of these, like third to fourth round graded ish safeties. That would be fantastic.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is that how you're stacking your board? Is it Wheatley, Hulsey, Clark?

[Chris Beam]

No, it's. It's Hulsey, Wheatley, Kilgore, Clark, Stukes, Ramsey. I think I might have to go back and rewatch Stukes, though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like stukes a lot as well. How would you stack your board? Voucher.

[Bobby Belt]

So I'm going up to the second round. So I got Thienam and right after Thienam and Wheelie's there for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I got Wheelie in the second two.

[Bobby Belt]

Yes. I got him higher than Magneal, Warren. I just value range in that way.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And.

[Bobby Belt]

And as a rangy dude, Wheatley's like up there for me. Then in the third round, I got Clark from tcu, Halsey. Then I got Kyle Lewis. Some people may have Kyle Lewis as a linebacker. I think he's a lot.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think majority teams have Lewis at linebacker.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay, cool. Just on my board. I got him here and counte Scott County. Scott from Miami. That's the. That's the end of my third round. You have as a safety, count Scott. Yes, sir.

[Chris Beam]

Okay.

[Tommy Yarish]

You're talking day three.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

Bishop Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Like, I mean, usc, by the way,

[Tommy Yarish]

there's enough about him that I think makes sense for like on the coverage aspect of what they're looking for that I think some of the. The run instincts that at times can seem a little deficient, like he'll tackle well, but I mean, just in terms of the read and react stuff in the run game that is a little deficient. I think that it's stuff that they could work on and. And feel good about. And so I think he's a. If you're talking about mid round day three, sometimes That's a name you think

[Chris Beam]

he's pretty close or maybe even better than Ramsey.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Chris Beam]

Fitzgerald. Yeah, I'm with you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good stuff. All right, that does it for us here on Twitter on the 20. When we come back here on the draft show, I want to talk a little bit about trade fallouts. What would it look like at 92 if Dallas has to trade up and go get somebody? So what are you okay picking at 92 if you only maybe have one swing at it in the first round as opposed to to two first round picks? More to come on the draft show right after this

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Cowboys.com draft show back here on the Draft show, it's time for the legendary Dallas Cowboys Draft Party presented by Miller Light. Join us Thursday, April 23rd at 6pm inside Ford center at the Star and Frisco. Watch first round picks live on the field. Meet players, see the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders perform. Enjoy music, drinks and a whole lot more. Admission is free. Visit Dallas Cowboys.com draft Hope to see you out there. And then bring your headphones. Listen to the draft coverage as we roll along on the Dallas Cowboys radio network. It'll be all five of us. Fotch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish, Bobby belt, Chris Beam in the back and Kyle Yeomans. We'll also add Brian Broaddus and Zach Wolchuk for that weekend. Cannot wait until next Thursday. It's going to be a legendary time. Lots to kind of sift through even between now and then as we might.

[Nick Harris]

I've heard we might get a Bobby Belt appearance on day three this year for the first time in three years.

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, I was here.

[Bobby Belt]

I just.

[Tommy Yarish]

No, I wasn't here.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's a call back.

[Nick Harris]

I always have to throw that dig in there.

[Bobby Belt]

Yep.

[Nick Harris]

Until you come. What?

[Tommy Yarish]

Elon Robinson from Texas just went.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, good stuff. Somebody earlier said that when you were talking about Robert Henry, they used the word that Brian used last year. I'm not going to use it. You know, you remember they used that one. He had that type of stance. Yeah. I was like, that's a great callback.

[Tommy Yarish]

Robert Henry does sound like a Division 3 Virginia college, though.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah. Yeah, it does. Like George Mason.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah. Robert Henry. I think there's a Patrick Henry out there.

[Nick Harris]

There's a Robert Morris.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah. See?

[Nick Harris]

Yep.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just combining the two, that's all it is. All right, trade fallout. Let's say Dallas does trade up. Let's say they, they do package 12 and 20 and they go get themselves a dude on inside the top 10, not counting what they would get in return in the second round.

[Chris Beam]

Right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where do you feel comfortable using your third and fourth round picks, 92 and 112 to try and maneuver what you're unable to get because you traded up and don't pick twice in the first round.

[Nick Harris]

What did you pick?

[Chris Beam]

That's my question, too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's. Let's run a scenario for each one of them.

[Nick Harris]

Then.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's run a scenario. Let's say the most likely for me is. Let's say Styles at 6. Right. So you take a linebacker. Where do you feel comfortable picking in 92?

[Bobby Belt]

If they took Sonny Styles at 6, I want to go past Rusher at 92. I'm going. Max Llewellyn Edge from Iowa, I like him a bunch. He's a ready made pass rusher now. Counters and all that kind of stuff. Not the best run game, dude, but you can teach him how to do run game stuff. He can play 4i as well. They also do that with him. And hey, he's just a bad boy. And you want one for 112 as well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You can if you have it, man.

[Bobby Belt]

112. Real fast, man. Shoot. I'll take Genesis Smith from Arizona free. No, we just took. We took a linebacker.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just took a linebacker.

[Bobby Belt]

Genesis Smith, free save from Arizona.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so that's how you address your three biggest needs.

[Bobby Belt]

Range as hell. Get picks follows Ralph's well, takes away crosses. He don't want to tackle nobody, but he got size to work on that. So those are my guys. Look at Max.

[Nick Harris]

I think you could get lucky with romelo height at 92.

[Tommy Yarish]

That was the name I was thinking.

[Nick Harris]

And then at 112. At 112, man, sign me up for some Jaden Kennedy, the nickel out of Oregon. I am such. I tweeted out last night, I can't get enough of Jaden Kennedy. I this, this guy's legit. And so I would take jaden Kennedy at 112 in that scenario.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

But some other corners, if you're looking there, let's say Kennedy, someone else or another team likes him as much as I do. Chandler Rivers, I think could be there. The nickel out of Duke. Dalen Everett, the nickel out of Georgia. And so I think that's a sweet spot if you do want to go find your nickel corner.

[Chris Beam]

I would also probably lean pass rush at 92. I'm good with height. Texas Tech, I'd be okay with Derek Moore, Michigan, maybe Jayshawn Barham, Michigan too. I know this team loves their Michigan players and the fan base certainly loves them too. And then, yeah, if you can get a corner or one of Those safeties at 112. Chandler Rivers. I like Rivers more than I like Kennedy. I just think Kennedy is a little too small.

[Nick Harris]

He's bigger than Rivers.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

I don't know if he's more. I don't know. He's more filled out than Rivers, though. That's what I meant to clarify. And I think Rivers is just a real deal thumper, safety wise in that range. There's a couple of guys you could convince me on if Clark is there. If it's Gerald or Ramsey from usc. I think you go past Rush first and then look somewhere in the secondary, whether it be corner, nickel. If you add one of those safeties that can do a little bit of

[Kyle Yeomans]

everything, would you consider a guy like Will Lee at 112? Yes, if he's there.

[Nick Harris]

I watched more of Willie literally yesterday. It's funny you bring this up. He gives up so many big plays.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He does.

[Nick Harris]

Oh my gosh. Like that Notre Dame game. That was the first time watching it for me since the game happened. And I remember Notre Dame having big plays and I was like, oh, that was who was giving them up. He gave up like something like 170 yards in one on one coverage in that game. The big plays are tough. He's physical off the line. Don't get me wrong, he's physical off the line. I feel like his footwork is solid. I feel like he does match routes pretty well. But the top end speed just really lacks. And he can get beat over the top even with double moves. He can get beat over the top too. I had that one would be a bit of a reach at 112. I formerly really liked Willie. I had a third round grade before I watched that game specifically and that game really scared me. And then I started looking back at some of the other big plays he'd given up over the year. It was a consistent trend of teams just being like, hey, we're going to beat him over the top. And they did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He struggles out of that, like that fade route, just having to turn and run. But there are also times where he, it looked like he just lacked focus late in games. Like he was just out of a game and fatigued. That's, that's where I had a problem. And that Notre Dame game was the one I was referencing specifically. I wrote it down right here. Said fatigued, lacks focus when things got into late game scenarios. And that's where he gave up multiple big plays late in that game.

[Nick Harris]

I did put it, he could do really well in a system with a really good pass rush in front of him. But like the ball's coming out quick. But overall I just don't see him as a long term starter. He's, he's a flyer. You take in the fifth, if he's somehow there in the sixth and he'll give you special teams value. Absolutely. Day one. But now I don't, I don't know if you're, if you're looking at 112. I just think there's going to be other options that are better for you. Julian Neal out of Arkansas, Devin Moore out of Florida, Ephesians Price Talk out of Washington. We've talked about him quite a bit. Another one of those palm trees at Washington. But how do you all feel about Gabe Yakis if he's there at 92? I am just such a huge fan of Gabiakis. I can't get enough of them at Drusher out of Illinois.

[Chris Beam]

Powerful.

[Nick Harris]

Sets the edge in the run game really well. He's got some pass rush upside, and he started to prove it late in his final year at Illinois. I'm a huge fan of Gabe. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have him early fourth, so that would. That would feel good. At 112.

[Tommy Yarish]

Botch mocked him in the first round when we were doing the group mock. He. He assigned him to somebody.

[Nick Harris]

Oh, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was one of his crazy picks.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah. Well, because teams suck at drafting generally, so. Yes.

[Nick Harris]

Don't think that's a suck at drafting

[Bobby Belt]

pick in first round.

[Tommy Yarish]

In the first.

[Nick Harris]

Don't I? Don't I. I have a second on him.

[Bobby Belt]

I think there's a little half of Yakuza.

[Nick Harris]

I love Gaby.

[Bobby Belt]

That is.

[Tommy Yarish]

That is the most common feedback I've heard from people around the league is Yak is second.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Chris Beam]

Really?

[Nick Harris]

I love you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So. So the media may not be as high on him as some teams are.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, no, I like. I think that. And that's.

[Bobby Belt]

That's.

[Chris Beam]

So.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's why.

[Tommy Yarish]

That. That's. That's nothing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're higher than we are.

[Bobby Belt]

That.

[Nick Harris]

That's our boy Gabiat.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's nothing Dallas related at all. That. Just a couple of people I've talked to outside of here about Yakis. They've said second universally.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's got good motor. He doesn't really quit. Gotta. Got the size advantage. He looks the part. Got a lot of things going in his direction. Do you have him or Malachi Lawrence higher at ucf.

[Nick Harris]

I have Lawrence.

[Bobby Belt]

I got Lawrence hired.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I do, too. Zion Young, Missouri, lower.

[Bobby Belt]

I got him right up under Young.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm just throwing names that are around him.

[Tommy Yarish]

I did ask one of those people that I talked about Yakis. They said that Yakis was higher than Lawrence.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Max Llewellyn, lower.

[Bobby Belt]

Okay, I got Llewellyn higher.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mason Rigg. He's further down lower. Yeah. Kieran Crawford, rig a nice lower. Lower.

[Nick Harris]

Mason Thomas, lower like I. Wow.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Nick Harris]

Gabe Yakis here.

[Bobby Belt]

I'll probably end up with Crawford under Yakis.

[Nick Harris]

Lower.

[Bobby Belt]

I got height. I got. See, I think. I think. I think too many people low on height, though. I think Mello is nice. And, you know, I ain't here to fuss or nothing like that, but I just need to understand people's logic with the. He's older, so I'm gonna draft him later. I don't understand the logic. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but if you could play, you can play in my mind. Right. And maybe you don't have the long term vision of him. Right. Like some of these guys signed their second contract when they're 26. So that ain't gonna be the case with Melo for sure. But I don't think that Melo's film equals a third round guy. I got a two on him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

And I like him a lot. And I think he's right up there with R. Mason Thomas, Cassius Howe and Malachi Lawrence. I, I just. Bobby, can you help me out with that? Like why, why is it that the 25 year old dude falls because Macedor is also nice, but he falls because he's 25 for whatever reason.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I mean I think a lot of times you got to think about, for instance, there was a, a very prominent pass rusher who was talked about as getting dealt this offseason that did not good job and that, that a lot of the discussion was the talk of like, you know, very getting, getting close to 30s here and, and like being able to. Come on, it's the one. So a lot, a lot of talk about like getting close to 30s here, guys. That, that's, that's significant. So you're talking about when you, if you draft somebody in the first round, for instance, like Mesador.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

After you've engaged the fifth year option. He's 30. Like, I mean that, that's, he's into the rookie deal and you already feel like, all right, he's like edge rushers will slow down into their 30s.

[Bobby Belt]

But wouldn't, wouldn't the logic be if, if he could really play? Like if he can really play, I'll take those ridiculous five years and just be like, all right, just time to find a new dude when the deal is up, you know? You know, in an ideal world you would like for somebody to play 12 years for you, but like not even 12.

[Tommy Yarish]

You just, you generally think draft somebody thinking second contract.

[Bobby Belt]

Sure. But like what if they just fantastic for five years and the Cowboys, their Cowboys window. And I'm saying window because this team, everybody's contract was. Is like three years now.

[Tommy Yarish]

This team, this, this team picked a 25 year old in the top five and he played 16 years in the NFL. So I mean they've, they've done that before. I don't necessarily think like there's a, an avenue where Mezador maybe ends up here. And if that's the case, then like, I mean they did take a 25 year old in the first round. So it just kind of depends, I think especially in terms of how teams view it. A lot of teams probably would have been put off by Calvin ridley being almost 24 years old when he was coming out. And so it, I think the position also matters where you're talking about. You don't want to generally draft a 25 year old running back, for instance.

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let's, let's switch up the scenario here. You take an edge rusher in the first round, okay. And now you got to attack your linebackers or your safety's corners in 92 and 112.

[Bobby Belt]

That's perfect. Jacob Rodriguez, because that's where he belongs in the third round. People gonna hate it. And in the fourth round, man, I take Bishop Fitzgerald or something, you know what I'm saying? Keep that, keep that safety theme. So okay, I'm a pass rush from a linebacker and I got a safety there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They're showing Jacob Rodriguez film on the line. Yeah, Nick.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Same kind of names for certain positions.

[Nick Harris]

But I'm going linebacker. I'm probably going Josiah Trotter or Caleb Elarms or out of tcu. Josiah Trotter out of Missouri. That would probably be a 92 or a 112. I'm just going to do 92 or 1 12. That's fine for these. And then again I'm gonna hammer this. I still feel like that 92, 112 range is a sweet spot for nickel. I really do think you could get a really solid nickel in that range. It's about where they drafted Jordan Lewis back in 2017. It was in the back end of the third round if I can remember.

[Tommy Yarish]

I think he was, I think he was pick 92.

[Nick Harris]

Pick select. Sorry.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See if your Internet's fast today.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, hell yeah. Selection, not interception.

[Bobby Belt]

Cheeto was like 54.

[Nick Harris]

He was 92.

[Chris Beam]

No.

[Nick Harris]

Jordan Lewis, 92 overall. So sweet spot. I do feel like, and with this draft specifically, I do feel like that's a, that's a sweet spot that they could grab him. Safety. If you're looking in that third, fourth round. A few Kilgore. Yeah. Bud Clark trading Stukes.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Bobby, let me ask you something. Which do you think the Cowboys like? Davidson. Igbanosa.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Davidson. Igbosan.

[Bobby Belt]

Thank you. Ohio State.

[Tommy Yarish]

I don't know. I would imagine given what I know about him and know about the way that they think I would Imagine that they are fond of him as a like potentially late to early day three guy. I don't know specifically what they would think of him, but I think, I think that he's checks box. I gotta say, if they take an edge rusher and then they don't have another pick in the second round, linebackers are big enough need to me right now that that's just what I do in the third and the fourth. Yeah, I just take two and then figure out which one of them is better.

[Bobby Belt]

Like he's size, length, can tackle, cover nickel outside. He, he, he does all of it. So I'm just curious, like why we haven't been saying his name a little bit more.

[Nick Harris]

Thank you. Probably say early day three for Igbosan. Man, I got the third round. I got a second on him. I'm a huge Igbos. I texted Tommy and Bobby about Igbosin yesterday because I was trying to track down why he's not higher.

[Bobby Belt]

Technical stuff, you know what I'm saying? Technique stuff, you know. But I. But he's long.

[Nick Harris]

And flags. The flags went down, down considerably in 25. Like it looks like.

[Tommy Yarish]

No, no, no. That part out off the fields.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah.

[Bobby Belt]

Oh.

[Nick Harris]

Oh, yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

My bad.

[Bobby Belt]

Wait a second.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah,

[Chris Beam]

not a great sign when you have both. Real quick. Trotter, MO 92. You think?

[Bobby Belt]

Yeah, I got a two on.

[Chris Beam]

I have a two on him too. I think.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, he'd probably go before that.

[Chris Beam]

Earlier than that. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify. No, no, no. I said I have a two on.

[Nick Harris]

I'll say this about Davison, Igbosan. He had a seven game stre the heart of Big Ten play last year where he only allowed five receptions for 43 yards. And I went back to specifically and watched five of those seven and it wasn't like he wasn't being credited for things he should have been credited with. I, I love Igbos and I have him a CB5. I. I'm a big Igmanosan guy.

[Tommy Yarish]

But you did say Big Ten, so which Big Ten offenses were those?

[Nick Harris]

That's fair.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's playing against Iowa.

[Nick Harris]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tommy Yarish]

Will score more touchdowns than they will.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, well, that's going to do it for us here on the draft show today. We will be back on Thursday, 11am Central. Time to continue breaking it down. We'll be one week out from the NFL draft for Vox. Lombardi, Nick Harris, Tommy Arish, Bobby Belt, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the draft show. We will see you on Thursday. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Bobby Belt]

How about you, Cowboys Jack?