Draft Show: Trick Up the Sleeve?

Summary

The Draft Show: Trick Up the Sleeve?

Dallas Cowboys Draft Analysis – April 22, 2025
Host: Kyle Yeomans, with Bryan Broaddus, Zach Wolchuk, Tommy Yarish, Nick Harris
Location: The Star at Frisco
Producer: Chris Beam
Episode Theme: Final draft board strategy, trade scenarios, and pick projections as the Cowboys prepare for the 2025 NFL Draft.

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Episode Overview

Just two days ahead of the 2025 NFL Draft, the Draft Show’s crew breaks down the perplexing decisions that await the Cowboys at pick #12 and beyond. The conversation ranges from possible trade-backs, the philosophy of building and trusting "the stack" (draft board), wild card scenarios, and which positions and prospects could (and should) rise in Dallas’s priorities. The team’s lively back-and-forth captures the tension, uncertainty, and excitement pulsing through the Cowboys' war room on the eve of the draft.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Finalizing "The Stack" and Draft Philosophy

Timestamp: 01:41 – 10:08

• Pressure of the Final Board: Bryan Broaddus emphasizes the need for clarity and consensus before Thursday. He warns against "window dressing" (changing board order for in-the-moment decisions), which led to past organizational failures.

  "If you're going to put together an order and you say this is how we would take these players... You should take those players."
  — Bryan Broaddus [05:50]

• Lessons from Past Drafts: The team recalls the 2014 Johnny Manziel/Zack Martin scenario, where discipline in sticking to the stack led to long-term success.
• Importance of Pre-Draft Debates: Internal debates and scenario planning should happen before the clock starts, avoiding last-minute chaos.

2. Possible Trade-Back Scenarios, Especially With Denver

Timestamp: 10:08 – 14:41, 31:15 – 34:51

• Denver at #20: Denver is flagged as the likeliest trade partner wanting to jump up. Bryan Broaddus insists on demanding pick #51 (second round) in any deal, citing league relationships and “draft gods” for possible overpay.

  "If you want to come up here and grab a player... I want 51. If not, then I'm done."
  — Bryan Broaddus [14:16]

• Cluster Planning: If trading back, Dallas should only do so if confident with several closely-ranked prospects remaining.
• Player Trade Rumors Debunked: Nick Harris shoots down rumors of a pick swap for veteran WR Courtland Sutton—“No one’s taking a Pro Bowl WR for just a pick swap.” [31:15]

3. Cowboys Targets at Pick #12: Wide Receiver, Offensive Line, or Wild Card?

Timestamp: 03:04 – 25:10

• Tetairoa (Tet) McMillan: Consensus favorite if available, but expectations are growing he’ll be gone before #12.

  "I think that Tet McMillan is the pick if he's there at 12…I think he's their top wide receiver on their board."
  — Zach Wolchuk [03:04]

• Matthew Golden: Seen as the likely pivot if McMillan is off the board; but some on the panel have multiple other players slotted above him.
• Surprise Names: Mikel Williams (ED), Shemar Stewart (ED), Will Johnson (CB), and more are discussed as possible "stack" surprises.
• Stack Distance Matters: The gap between McMillan and Golden (and who sits in between) could dictate the pick.

  "I just think they're going to be several players between McMillan and Golden on the stack."
  — Brian Broaddus [62:08]

4. Wide Receiver Debate: Beyond the Big Two

Timestamp: 18:27 – 25:30

• Luther Burden and Mecha Igbuka: Both are praised, especially for complementing CeeDee Lamb or bringing unique skills (blocking, after-catch ability).

  "[Emeka Igbuka] is, in my opinion, the best blocking wide receiver in this class... I would be standing on the table and fighting for Emeka Igbuka."
  — Zach Wolchuk [21:02]

• Golden vs. Igbuka: Panelists split over who slots as WR2 or WR3.
• Clustered Grading: Nick Harris ranks several WRs and non-WRs above Golden, illustrating the broad spectrum after McMillan.

5. Reactions to Mock Scenarios and Position Priorities

Timestamp: 36:01 – 43:47

• Running Back Run and Options: The team discusses how a "run" on running backs could shape Day 2, and whether trades are intended to leap for RB, TE, or CB targets.
• Mock Draft Choices: Panel responds to various three-round mock scenarios, emphasizing strong needs at CB and their comfort with waiting on WR.
• Dante Thornton vs Tet McMillan: Thornton, while fast and big, is seen as a "one-trick pony" compared to McMillan's refined, versatile game.

  "Thornton is really explosive. The problem is he doesn't make anybody miss... that's the total opposite of what you got in McMillan."
  — Brian Broaddus [40:15]

6. Interior Offensive Line: Sneaky First-Round Consideration

Timestamp: 43:47 – 47:35

• Work on IOL Prospects: Daniel Jeremiah and the group note Dallas's strong diligence on guards and tackles, with names like Will Campbell, Armand Mebbu, and Kelvin Banks flagged. If WRs are gone, beefing up the OL for the desired "physical identity" is viable.
• Scheme Fit Debates: If Dallas prioritizes a lineman (especially a true OT like Simmons), it could signal waning faith in recent pick Tyler Guyton.

7. Final Mock Picks: Each Analyst's Cowboys 3-Round Forecast

Timestamp: 52:19 – 61:16

• Tommy Yarish:
  • 1: Matthew Golden (WR)
  • 2: Savon Revelle Jr. (CB)
  • 3: Jordan Phillips (DT)
• Bryan Broaddus:
  • 1: Will Johnson (CB)
  • 2: TreVeyon Henderson (RB)
  • 3: Terrell Royals (WR)
• Zach Wolchuk:
  • 1: Tet McMillan (WR)
  • 2: Maxwell Harris (CB)
  • 3: Bhayshul Tuten (RB, Virginia Tech)
• Nick Harris:
  • 1: Mikel Williams (ED)
  • 2: Trey Amos (CB, Ole Miss)
  • 3: Bhayshul Tuten (RB)

"If you gave me a scale of 1 to 10, what would be your confidence level on your first round pick?"
"Like a 4."
— Kyle Yeomans [60:42]

8. Concluding Theories and Surprises Ahead

Timestamp: 61:16 – 62:50

• Flexibility and Free Agency: Team wonders if WR is actually less urgent than CB/DT, since Dallas could still sign a competent WR post-draft without affecting compensatory pick formulas.
• “Draft gods” Factor: Team concludes that this year's board could break in wild directions, and the Cowboys’ planning for “clusters” of closely-graded players will be vital for extracting value.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Stack ‘em, stack ‘em, stack 'em… If you've got a cluster of players… put the cluster in the order that you would take it. Don't just jump around.”
  — Bryan Broaddus [09:20]
• “To me, that's the fun part… I'm consumed with trying to figure out how their stack looks… how high they have Matthew Golden on their board. Do they have offensive linemen above him?”
  — Bryan Broaddus [01:41]
• “Do you feel like the Matthew Golden conversation has been a smokescreen the entire time?”
  — Kyle Yeomans [55:22] “No, I don’t. I think they’re legitimately trying to figure out the receiver position, but… not considering where their stack is…”
  — Bryan Broaddus [55:31]
• “I just think they're going to be several players between McMillan and Golden on the stack. That’s just... how I think this is going to play out.”
  — Bryan Broaddus [62:08]
• “That trick is fun… make that happen.”
  — Nick Harris, as the team jokes about Dante Thornton’s one-dimensional but exhilarating profile [41:18]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment Topic | Timestamps | |----------------------------------|--------------| | Building/trusting “the stack” | 01:41–10:08 | | Denver trade possibility | 10:08–14:41, 31:15–34:51 | | WR/OL targets at 12 & cluster talk | 03:04–25:10 | | WR2/WR3 debate (Golden, Igbuka, Burden) | 18:27–25:30 | | Three-round Mock Draft scenarios | 36:01–43:47 | | Thornton vs McMillan comparison | 39:13–41:18 | | Interior O-line first round options | 43:47–47:35 | | Analyst 3-round predictions | 52:19–61:16 | | Concluding theories/surprises ahead | 61:16–62:50 |

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Episode Summary & Takeaways

• Philosophy Over Panic: The Cowboys’ best shot at value lies in trusting their pre-draft process—not panicking and jumping the board in the moment.
• Trade-Backs Demand Steep Returns: Denver remains the favorite to strike a deal—but only for a premium price.
• Wide Receiver is Top-of-Mind… Unless It's Not: Tet McMillan is widely admired, but if the run on offensive linemen or defenders pushes other high-caliber prospects to #12, Dallas could pivot away from WR.
• Cluster is Key: This draft’s perceived lack of sure-fire superstars at #12 means Dallas must be ready to pull from a “cluster” of closely-ranked players if the board gets wiped.
• Expect Twists: With medicals, interviews, and wild-card favorites all swirling, Thursday night is primed for surprises. A disciplined approach—and luck—will determine just how big a “trick” the Cowboys have up their sleeve.

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This episode is a must-listen for Cowboys fans craving insight into how the front office approaches its board and prepares for every scenario, from the dream fall to the unexpected pivot.

Transcript

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[Brian Broaddus]

How about that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Came quickly, didn't it?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, not really, no. It's been a while, I guess. I feel like I've been working on this. I know Nick's talking about been working on it since the summer. I started in summer of 22. Yeah, yeah. November. So. No, it's. The thing right now is, like I say, I'm consumed with trying to figure out how their stack looks and I'm trying to figure out around the league. So I have an idea potentially of where this thing could fall for Dallas. I'm trying to prepare for the worst possible scenarios where, you know, for, say, for example, when Ashton Gente goes to five to Jacksonville and then now that turns the Raiders into maybe a Tet McMillan or something like that. I need to figure out how high. They have Matthew golden on their board. They have offensive linemen above him. Is the distance between those guys pretty significant? You know, is Will Johnson in play? You know, we're going to have a chance to Talk with Will McClay and those guys and Jerry Jones and those guys today. You know, we can Ask some probing questions to maybe get an idea of where they're looking at with some of these players. They probably won't tell us the names, but if you can ask them to specifically give you an idea of what they. With how they measure certain players or look at certain players, then maybe that can give you some clues. But we need to figure out how this stack is going to be because there's going to be a possibility there's some players that we've all kind of talked about that might not be there for this football team. That part of it's the fun part for me right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

There's no question. I think that Ted McMillan is the pick. If he's there at 12, to me, that that's, I think, the direction they're going to go. I think he's their top wide receiver on their board personally. But you're going to have to navigate some. Some minefields now because it does sound like Ashton Genti and Brian, you were on that yesterday on our show. Jacksonville's probably going to snag him there at five. Maybe New England might end up just saying, you know what, we're going to take him at 4. So where does Tet go? Could Ted still be in play with New England, who's been hunting for wide receivers? I know they signed Stefan Diggs, but that's a different type of wide receiver. Or are they locked in on Will Campbell? What happens with the Vegas Raiders then at 6? I think that's a great point for Ted McMillan as well. New Orleans at 9. Yeah, we've thought maybe a quarterback there. It doesn't sound like they're in on Shadore Sanders. It sounds like Jackson Dart could be the guy. Do they pivot and take Ted McMillan?

[Brian Broaddus]

It sounds like to me that Walker's in play there. The edge linebacker from Georgia is. But a lot of people are saying that the corner, the quarterback is not going to be the selection there. Well, we'll see. We'll see how. But right now, the name that I'm hearing really strong in New Orleans is. Is Jalen Walker, the, the edge linebacker from. But he's also in play potential with Carolina at 8. So these are guys that if you asked me right now, give me a wild card guy that if he got through and I think Walker's a wild card guy. You just don't send coaches down in a private workout to. Just to. Just to send them down there. You're trying to kind of figure some things out. We'll figure it out with Malik Williams out there. You figure it out, too, with this, you know, with Walker as well. So I think they're trying to kind of set things up that if they, in fact, you know, and I'm not going to get wiped out, but there's some, potentially some guys that they think might be there now. This thing is shaking in a couple of different ways to that maybe those guys that they thought about here maybe a couple weeks ago might not be available and they have to be able to pivot off that. Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Five to 11 could go a million different directions.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Really good.

[Brian Broaddus]

Absolutely.

[Nick Harris]

And there's. There's some pretty strong reports from people I trust at least, that say that three offensive linemen are going to be in the top 10. And if that's factoring in Will Campbell, Armand Menboo, Kelvin Banks, what does that look like? Where do those guys go? And then on the flip side, who falls, you know, who's. Who's going to be there for you at 12 that you maybe didn't expect? Is it a Jalen Walker?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Or is it a Tet McMillan potentially? Is it a Mason Graham, even? I don't think he'll slip that far. But I'm just kind of speaking. Speaking to the million possibilities that this, this top 12 will have. You know, this team, they can, they can go through the possibilities, they can go through the scenarios, but they really won't know what it's going to look like until the, the, the war room is there. And there will, There will be a war room Discussion if Ted McMillan is off the board. I think it will be a war room discussion to try to. Guys campaigning for their guys. And we'll be watching the draft feed right here, looking at them going back and forth.

[Brian Broaddus]

Do you think, Nick, that they will just sit there and trust the stack, though, when they, you know, maybe the discussions that they need to have right now are being had. And I think this is why, you know, with, with the draft being a couple days away, these are the times you sit in that room and really hash out, okay, what if, what if? And just. And just create as much tension as you can in that room right now. So that when, you know, we saw what happened with the Johnny Manziel, you know, the potential Johnny Manziel discussion. Yes, it was brought up, but then it was quickly brought up that, hey, we have Zach Martin in our stack here and here. I would hate for them to get in that room and start jumping tacks if that was the case. That that, to me, defeats everything. If you're going to put together an order and you say this is how we would take these players and you don't window dress your board. You should take those players. So the discussions I think need to be happening right now. I don't know, it sounds like that maybe you might feel different about that.

[Nick Harris]

Well, it is the benefit of having a guy like Brian Schottenheimer in the building. He's going to over communicate, he's going to go through those scenarios, he's going to talk that through with the scouting staff. Whereas a couple years ago when there was a debate between Mozzie Smith and Matthew Bergeron, you know, was that something that maybe could have been addressed in the days prior and would they maybe have made a better pick? You know, whether it wasn't those two guys or somewhere else. So I wonder how much they've learned on those kinds of things and can.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go back to kind of the way that you're outlining this. Brian, it kind of sounds like you feel like there is going to be some window dressing you talked about.

[Brian Broaddus]

I just, like I said to me there, and, and I'm sorry, I didn't let you finish there. That's my apology. I don't think they, to me, they, they, you shouldn't window dress. That's. And I can't speak for them what's going on in that room right now. But if you're sitting there jumping tags, okay, let's, let's be honest. Tom Siskowski lost his job here with the Sheriff Floyd draft. If you remember, as they had, the scouts had him and then Rod Marinelli wanted nothing to do with Sharif Floyd. When it came down to Dallas's time to pick, they dropped back out of there and they took something else. They took Shredwick, I believe the draft, it was something. But like I said, they had a plan for what they wanted to do. And Tom Siskowski stood up and said, hey, you know, wait a minute, we've got this player. What are we doing? And ultimately it cost him his job. You know, that's, that's the change that you made right there because of the discussions that weren't had beforehand. I would like to believe that they're not going to jump tags and they're going to have that stack how they want it. And it. You saw it in a, you talk about war room discussions. It happened perfectly. When you looked at how they drafted Travis or they had, excuse me, Drafted Zach Martin when Ryan Shazier went off the board, Jerry Zones fired. Look, hey, Johnny Manell still there? Yeah. Johnny Manziel's tags below Zach Martin's tag. Yeah, we're going to take Zach Martin here, Jerry. Yeah. You know, and that's okay. That's how those things work. So. But if there's window dressing going on and all that, then to me, that doesn't. That. That. That always spells, like, failure to me when you jump in tags because you're not true to your board.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The one question I would have, and we've all been studying this draft, and you're kind of putting together your own stacks, is you do kind of have a clump of players.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That are all very similar. And I think that they would probably be comfortable with a good cluster of players, which is why, like, the trade back, I think, would be ideal for them. The problem is you're hearing everybody kind of wants to move back, and I don't think you're going to get a partner. So is it less of maybe jumping tags just in this weird draft, how it is when you've got players.

[Brian Broaddus]

Stack them, stack them, stack them. I mean, if you've got a cluster of players, we're all dealing with this right now. Like I say, I'm going to. I'm going to post my stack. 235 players. Watch how I did the running backs in the second round. When it came to my board, when it came to Johnson, when it came to Hampton, when it came to Henderson.

[Nick Harris]

Sure.

[Brian Broaddus]

You know, I to myself, I said, I've got to do this for myself. I've got to determine my gut feeling or film, whatever you want to say. Medical. I determined my guys in what order I put them in. You know, if, like you say, yeah, the cluster's nice, put the cluster in the order that you would take it. Don't just jump around. Don't all of a sudden like, oh, geez, we like this guy on the clock. You know, you don't have a lot of time as is to be having these discussions. These discussions need to be had right now.

[Tommy Yarish]

And I think when you put that much work into a board and that much work into studying these prospects, you're kind of doing yourself a disservice if you don't stick to it, because then you don't trust your own process. And I think with the success that Dallas has had in the draft, if you look at a broader scale of going back really, in terms of their franchise history, then I think that they. They've done a good job. And you've been in that broom, Brian, so you've seen what they've been able to do in terms of this class. It is interesting because, Zach, you meant they very clearly, it seems like want to move back if they can. And everybody wants to move back if they can. My question is, since everybody wants to move back, I wonder if there's one of the 32 teams out there that's saying, you know, what if we move up Denver?

[Brian Broaddus]

What if we're Denver Broncos? What if. Yeah, what if we're, what if we're.

[Tommy Yarish]

Overthinking this a little bit? What if there's someone there like if Ted McMillan Falls and Denver calls you? Yeah, that. I think that would be the conundrum where we're looking at that screen over there here on Thursday and there's a lot of debate going on because what can you get if you, if you would you be, would you be willing to sacrifice a Ted McMillan to move back to 20, take a me and pick up another top 100, pick up 51.

[Brian Broaddus]

That's where the debate I think is good. If you, if all of a sudden, you know, the Cowboys will tell you and Jerry Jones and Steven Jones are adamant about this and correct me if I'm wrong, boys, you know, the minute you pick up that phone, you're losing the deal. Yeah, that's that they say that the minute you pick up that phone, you're losing the deal. So, okay, they pick up the phone. We've seen plenty of times where they're on the clock. Stephen Jones phone, he's just waiting. Phones ringing, phones ring and maybe it doesn't ring. Maybe it doesn't ring it. But see, they're waiting. They're waiting to see. But you have to be ready for these discussions if in fact, like listen, if we're going to take this deal, what moving back for, that's where the cluster of players helps you. But make sure you have the clusters of players right how you would take them. You know, there doesn't need to be a discussion about that. Like, okay, if we trade back and they and they go in order and we're comfortable with taking the third guy in the cluster, then let's make this trade. If we're not, let's stand in here and make a pick.

[Nick Harris]

The nature of the deal with Denver, that could be kind of throw a wrench into this is that it would be a 40 point overpay for Denver to go up to 12.

[Brian Broaddus]

We saw it, we saw it with.

[Nick Harris]

Detroit last year, giving them 20 and 51. Yeah, we saw it with Detroit last year because there were a lot of calls that they were fielding right. I'm going to be fielding nearly as many calls this year. I don't think 51 would be in play if that were to happen. I think it would be a third, and then maybe you get underpay, seventh or something down the line, like pick 85.

[Brian Broaddus]

I. I would like to believe that Sean Payton, if he's coming up the board from 20 to 12, has somebody in mind, and it doesn't bother him to do that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He.

[Brian Broaddus]

He has a relationship with the Joneses and maybe. And Nick, I love what you're saying. I think. And I don't think you're wrong. I just think this is. If there's somebody that can cut a deal with the Joneses on an overpay. Look, what, like I say, Dan Campbell in that group last year, it's Denver. They have a relationship. If you have relationships in the league and sometimes you're like, listen, I want to go get this guy, and if I have to overpay a 2, maybe the draft gods are smiling on him because they should have got a two when they traded back for Trap. When they got Travis Frederick, they took a three. Maybe the draft gods are saying, this is the time you get an overpay. You know, we're going to give you one here. But, you know, I mean, to me, this is. I think that a lot of the relationships are the ones that are important here. Trading partners are important that, like, listen, you want to come up here and get your player, I'll take 51 from you, you know, and we'll call it a day. And, you know, you kind of put the ball in Sean's court, and if he says no, then you just move on with your day.

[Zach Wolchuk]

How much.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What would a return pick look like that in that scenario? Because you could send another pick back one of those fifths, and that makes up the 50. Overpay.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. 40. Overpay.

[Nick Harris]

It would be that first fifth.

[Zach Wolchuk]

So 149.

[Nick Harris]

And you don't want to go from. What is it, 76.

[Brian Broaddus]

I'm not interested in that.

[Nick Harris]

I'm not interested in doing that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But you pick up two seconds now you still have four. You have four top 100.

[Nick Harris]

I would rather get the third and send like a seventh, to be honest.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Nick Harris]

If that's. If that's what it had to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that might be the back and forth chart.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Harris]

That's what.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now, going back to what Brian was talking about, when it comes up. Get them. Get them.

[Brian Broaddus]

I would. I'd hold them up. I'm like, Listen, you want to come up here and grab a player? Obviously, I'm. I'm interested. Sure. You could take 12. I want 51. You know, and they're like, listen, we can't do 51. Then I'm like, okay, then I'm done.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Then I'm done.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, I'm done. And then maybe somebody else wants to come up there. But to me, if you want to make that kind of move, if we're going to be in a draft where people are not going to give me value for my pick, you know, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna stand there and pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so if they stand there and pick, we're talking about window dressing boards, right? And what it would look like. Let's pretend we don't have the connection. We don't talk to the war room. It's on mute. We're just watching them put the pick in on Thursday at 12, and it ends up being one of these surprise names where it's Mikel Williams or Shamar Stewart or Will Johnson or Jade Baron or one of these other guys that's not Matthew Golden, Tetaroa McMillan, and kind of the guys that we think to be likely to be the pick. Would you consider that window dressing your board, or would you consider that stay.

[Brian Broaddus]

If they. If they have Mikel Williams and Stewart and all those guys. No, that's their stack.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's the stack.

[Brian Broaddus]

That's their stack. I'm not. Trust me, we're all selfish sobs in this room. We want them to take the guys we like. We do. It makes good. It makes good drama. It makes good theater. It makes all these things. We want them.

[Zach Wolchuk]

We don't want.

[Brian Broaddus]

I don't want to sit here and rip them for taking a player that I didn't like. That's not good. But to me, yeah, it's their stack. And if that's their stack, then I'm not going to have a problem with that. If they saw. We all see these players different. Hell, Nick and I see players different a lot. Zach. I always see players different in this thing.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

So if that's what they think, if that's what they believe, that's on them. It's not on me. But, you know, I'm. Hey, we put it out there. We're transparent. But I. I'm. Like I said, if that's how they have it stacked it. It's not window dressing. That's. That's their board.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I want to kick this around. And, Brian, I mean, you've. You've Taught me, stick to the. Stick to the stack, stick to your board. Don't win.

[Brian Broaddus]

No. Why do I don't do it.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That.

[Brian Broaddus]

I'm saying if you don't.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

If you don't do it, if you don't believe in it, then don't.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I hear you.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The one thing that I, I wanted to ask is you. You were trying to figure out, hey, what are teams wanting?

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

And you're starting to hear corners. There could be a big run here and they might go higher. Like some of these guys. Maxwell, Harrison, Trey, almost out of all Ole Miss. Right. These guys might go higher than you think. Do you end up saying, like, maybe I need to prioritize a position there because I might get wiped out and I'm not going to get it there at 44 or.

[Brian Broaddus]

They said that it was taco. Wasn't that a taco situation? Did they feel like they weren't going to get a defensive end coming back around?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Because that's why I'm starting to feel at 44, you're probably not going running back. You're probably going to have to go cornerback there or else you're not going to get a guy that you think is a legit day one starter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

The thing that might happen is we might see a slide on some of these defensive tackles that we like because of some medical questions. We might see because of Collins, some of the medical questions with him. We might see some of the medical questions too, potentially. And maybe some other issues with Harmon from, you know, from Oregon is a possibility. Maybe some of these tackles that we really, really like up high are going to slide a little bit and we'll be surprised with. Wow. Why is that guy still there? Well, this is the disadvantage that this room has. We don't have medical information on these players.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Correct.

[Brian Broaddus]

You know, we, we, we, we, we hear things and stuff like that, but not all of them. The question is how many guys in this board have things that teams absolutely don't want to take? And we're sitting there and got these guys in the second and third round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You see it from like years past. Nakobe Dean was one that recently was one of our top 15, 16 players in the entire draft.

[Brian Broaddus]

And what might have to do with the flak of size there on that one more than anything?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure. No, one thing y and Joey Porter Jr. Yeah. I mean, it's going to happen. There's going to be at least one name that we're going to be sitting there middle of the first round saying, why is this Name still available, and it may be a guy that the Cowboys have talked to. It may be somebody completely different and off the radar to a certain extent. And, Tommy, I think you've been around this team enough to see kind of where they're leaning. The conversation is Tet vs Golden. Should it be something else other than Tet vs Golden at this point, or is that still the most likely pairing?

[Tommy Yarish]

I mean, if both of them are there, that should absolutely be the conversation. I think. I think when you've got, you know, two players of that caliber at such a position of need in that second wide receiver spot, you look at Ted McMillan and say, okay, this is a guy who can be our downfield threat. We need a guy who can compliment CD on the outside. He can give that to us. And then Matthew golden, somewhat the same thing, just kind of in a different way. Stephen Jones said at league meetings that, you know, they want. They want an explosive second option. I think both of them are explosive in their own separate ways. So the question is going to be what kind of explosiveness are they looking for? Are they looking for the explosiveness. Explosiveness in the speed aspect, where you've got Matthew golden, who ran, you know, a 4, 2, 9, 40 yard dash, and he, he's just able to create separation early, one of the top of his routes, or do you look at Tedro McMillan's explosion in terms of what he can do in the air and with his catch radius and things like that? And so if those two guys are on the board, then that absolutely has to be the discussion. I think now the interesting part of it is I don't think McMillan's going to be there. I really, I really don't think so. I think he's that good of a player, and I think that there's going to be someone in the top 11 that's going to have him higher. And I mean, you even look at a team like San Francisco, they're the biggest wild card out of all of this. Because if McMillan gets past the Bears at 10, which he. If he's still there, he probably will. I don't see them taking McMillan. Then everything's on the table for San Francisco.

[Zach Wolchuk]

They're going to be coaching you round after round.

[Tommy Yarish]

And so McMillan is the guy that, you know, you could say, okay, that's possible. Not saying it could be the pick. They could look at something else as a bigger position of need, but, you know, that's what it comes down to. So if he's off the board, then it comes down to the conversation that we were just having which is what does your stack look like? Is Matthew golden ahead of a Mikel Williams? Is he ahead of a Shemar Stewart if he continues to drop? Is he ahead of Jalen Walker if Jalen Walker drops? I personally think Matthew golden would do very well with the Cowboys, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there are other guys higher. I mean I've still got Luther Burden higher on my board in terms of wide receiver. He's my second best wide receiver. I just don't know if he's the wide receiver fifth that the Cowboys are looking for. I wrote down in my notes on him. I feel like I'm watching CD Lambs Oklahoma tape when I watch him play. It's a lot of the similar it's a lot of similar things. Now to CD Lambs on a team is not necessarily the worst thing in the world but if you're looking for a compliment to him and not necessarily a clone, then that that's where the conversation comes into play. So it wouldn't shock me if there are other names that are higher on the board. But if T Mac and golden are.

[Kyle Yeomans]

There, that's your conversation is the big question for me.

[Tommy Yarish]

That's another one right Like Igbuka and.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Golden Sea I don't really think Burden's in play for them and you could end up being right man. Burden can end up being one of the best of this draft. But Igbuka is the guy that I would be advocating for personally. They talk a lot about wanting to improve the running game. Mech Egg Buka and I stressed this. He is in my opinion the best blocking wide receiver in this class. I think he can play all three wide receiver spots. I don't think he's getting enough credit for the explosiveness that he can play with. There are times you will see them dump the ball off at Ohio State to a Mechag bucha and he takes a short 3.5yard slant drag screen and takes it 50 yards to the house. I think he is one of the safest, can't miss players in this draft. And you're talking about one, I'm feeling a need. Two, I'm feeling an absolute Robin to my Batman and he has played that role his entire career. I love him. The body control, the route, running the hands. I would be standing on the table and fighting for a Mechagbuka. He's got the size at 61205 and maybe Matthew Gold ends up being a better player and he certainly got the speed There. But I really wonder between those two, because I think it's Tet1, but who's their wide receiver, too? Is it Golden? Isn't a Mechag? Buka. I don't think we've talked about him enough.

[Brian Broaddus]

Is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is he number two on your board?

[Zach Wolchuk]

He's number two for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so you're not window dressing. You're standing on it and you're saying, who's three?

[Zach Wolchuk]

That would end up being Golden. Golden, yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Golden.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Vernon would be four.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Not including Travis.

[Brian Broaddus]

Nick, how many players do you have between McMillan and Golden on your board.

[Nick Harris]

Of about 24, 25.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

In between.

[Brian Broaddus]

So it's not close to you.

[Nick Harris]

My golden is behind McMillan, Igbuka and Burden for me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay. But. But as far as the top guys, say, for example, like, if it was a Will Johnson or it was a Mikel Williams or it was one of these offensive linemen, say, like a Simmons or somebody like that, do you have. Is it. Do you have all those guys in between?

[Nick Harris]

What were those names again? Simmons. Yes.

[Brian Broaddus]

Simmons. Mikel Williams.

[Nick Harris]

Yes.

[Brian Broaddus]

Will Johnson?

[Nick Harris]

Most definitely.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who's the closest to Tet for you?

[Nick Harris]

Closest to Tet?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Out of those other names, Booker. Okay, so out of Igbuka now, non wide receiver, who. Those other possible names.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Then we're starting to get into guys that I don't even expect to be there. Like Mason Graham.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have Mason Graham after sets that far up.

[Nick Harris]

Yes.

[Brian Broaddus]

I was trying to get a gauge. So you've got several players, top players above Golden.

[Nick Harris]

Yes.

[Brian Broaddus]

Right. See, I'm trying to tell you this could happen. This could be the same. Same conversation, same thing here. The. Tommy, you know. Yeah, you're right. The conversation, if they're both there, should be. Let's see. You know, I just think that they might have guys. We need to figure out how many guys they have between McMillan and Golden, because it might be guys that all of a sudden, like, you know, oh, it's automatically going to be Golden. No, it's. Maybe it's Will Johnson. Yeah, maybe it's Will Johnson. Maybe it's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's Shemar Stewart. Yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Walter Nolan's a name that I know that they love in this building.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. So, I mean, if. If they. If they. Again, if they're following their stack and they have all those players between, then it makes a lot of sense that that's maybe the direction we go. Maybe it's not as cut and dry as we all think, that it's going to be either McMillan or Golden. There might be Players between that we're not giving enough thought to.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I think that's a great conversation because I think here we're all pretty much in agreeance. That tets the number one board. T Mac is the number one wide receiver on the board.

[Brian Broaddus]

Do you feel bad, Hunter, if. Depending on what you feel about Hunter.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where you put Travis Hunter?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I just kept Hunter out of this one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I kind of put him in his own little category when it comes to Tetaro and McMillan, he's the number one wide receiver that could be available at 12 for the Cowboys. When you look across the hall, do you feel confident that that's what they think? It's tet number one. Golden, still on that list, but now Brian's throwing the names in the mix in between the two. I think that's the best way to look at this board and trying to decipher what they're going to do across the hallway. I think it's tet a row, a little bit of space and then golden. The question that Brian continues to pose, and it's a great question, is how many guys are in between? Yeah, that's what's going to determine who's going to be the 12th pick on Thursday.

[Nick Harris]

The culture that Brian Schadenheimer's trying to build, the staff that he's put together, the assistance that he's had with the experience that those guys have had in different places. The experience those guys have had recruiting different places, too, at the receiver position. Specifically talking about Junior Adams. If Igbuka is on the board right there, I'd be. I'd be surprised if there's not a.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Big conversation about Ibuka to throw him in that mix.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, let's go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That would be interesting.

[Nick Harris]

Buka 12. I could definitely see happening.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Happening.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow. Okay.

[Nick Harris]

Definitely see happening.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Somebody quoted put it in a story. Fort Worth Star Telegram. Nick Harris says, All right, he's right there.

[Brian Broaddus]

I mean, absolutely, he's right there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, we got to take our first break. When we come back, it's time for some Twitter on the 20. We'll answer your questions and maybe even go through a little quick mock draft from 5 to 11 to see what we can figure out is going to happen in front of the Cowboys. More of the draft show right after this.

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Yeah, absolutely. The NICU time certainly changes you. All right, time for some Twitter on the 2020. Our first question comes from Jordan. You guys talked about Denver in that first segment as a possible trade up team in the first round. How would you guys feel about a trade back to 20 that would include a player? We can't talk about specific players but this gentleman asking the question wanted to throw a wide receiver in the mix. So a veteran wide receiver jump on this in the second round.

[Nick Harris]

Nick, you're you're not going to take a Pro bowl level wide receiver for a pick swap. Okay, that's not going to happen. You would be giving up your pick, your first round pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So there you go.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, I've seen that around. It's not possible. It's not feasibly possible. Nobody in their right mind is going to agree to a trade like that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because the person here, Jordan would say 20 and then I'll just read his tweet verbatim. He says Cortland Sutton, he's a Pro bowl wide receiver, you're not getting a first round pick back. And Portland Sutton, right.

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, yeah, the problem with the world of Madden.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, exactly.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Well, we have an old Cowboys reporter that loves to be a headline clickbait guy. Oh yeah, that's where this is being generated from. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, because I saw that as well and that's just not, not happening.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay so now that we've shot that down, what would a realistic trade scenario look like? I think we goes back to what we talked about, second round pick swapping back to 20 and then you would have to send something back in return, probably a fifth or sixth.

[Brian Broaddus]

You don't always have to make these deals fair. You don't.

[Tommy Yarish]

I was going to say you take the first and second and I think you shake some hands and yeah, to.

[Brian Broaddus]

Me like listen, you know, you, you, you hope you, you know, got our guys. If you do, if you talk, if you've talked about it, maybe pre draft, maybe that's something. You know, I'm sure that Sean and Jerry and Steven have all talked pre draft and Sean's made it been known that, listen, I'm, Sean has a history of doing this, you know, he has a history of trying to swing and get up there and grab a player. So there's, it should be. No, he's got a good football team over there in Denver. So he understands that. And you know, if he could add somebody, if he's got somebody in mind he wants to come go get, then you know, by all means, but I would pre draft, talk to him and say, hey listen, if you're interested in coming up, can we talk about 51? He goes, Jerry, I'm not interested in giving you 51. Okay, what are you interested in doing then? This thing doesn't have to be done on the clock, but if it's done on the clock, I'm trying to get 51 from him. You know, if you want to pre talk it out, we can maybe negotiate this thing. If your guy's there, but otherwise I'm going to take your 51 and go on with my day.

[Nick Harris]

If Denver's trying to come up to grab a running back, let's say they're trying to come up to 12 to grab Hampton. What are they trying to get in front of? And if they can't get in front of them, when does this running back run start? Because Hampton goes before 20, they probably roll with Henderson. I wonder this. These running backs are flying off the board here in the first round.

[Brian Broaddus]

I wonder if he's. I wonder if he's thinking about somebody other than Hampton. Henderson potentially, or just a different player.

[Nick Harris]

Different player.

[Brian Broaddus]

Just a different player. And then maybe trying to address it. But, you know, if he doesn't have a two, maybe he can use his three, you know, that kind of thing. But if he, He's. He is the one guy that, you know will try and go up the board. Yeah, he is the. He is the. When you look at Andy Reid is another one coming from the bottom of the draft. Andy and those guys will try and, and move up if they can. But like I said, if, if I'm, if I'm Sean Payton or if I'm seeing I'm the Joneses, I'm. I'm talking to Sean, it's like, listen, if your guys here, give us a call. But I'm telling you right now, it's going to cost you 51. Yeah. If you want to make this deal now, think about that. And if your guy's here, we can do this. If your guy's not here, then, you know, we'll. We'll move on with our day. But it could be for another player other than Hampton.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I think it could be a tight end. I think he might be eyeing Tyler Warren or Colston Loveland.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Could be.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It could be one of those two. Because if you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Those corner, too.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. Because Indy could be a team that I've seen interested in a tight end potentially. So maybe you're trying to jump ahead of Indy at 14, and then Chicago and New Orleans both have been linked to Tyler Warren, as have the Jets. But it sounds more likely that the jets would probably prefer to go to offensive line.

[Brian Broaddus]

If Jacksonville at 5 traded back to, say, New Orleans at 9, then that's. They're looking at Warren at tight end. Yeah, that's what I've heard.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Maybe that's what, What Sean Payton's wanting.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because, I mean, the needs that I have in front, wide receiver, running back, corner, tight end, those are kind of the four spots and there are guys at each of those positions in the early parts of the draft that you could possibly get. Now, they did sign Evan Ingram, remember, in the middle of the offseason.

[Zach Wolchuk]

So they did.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's true.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That's a good point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

They have a tight end. They have a guy there that, I mean, he's her guy. He's her guy. But they signed one out of Jacksonville.

[Brian Broaddus]

At one year where he was really good. Being hurt.

[Zach Wolchuk]

But that is a good point.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But there's. There's at least somebody else there to compete. All right. Somebody wanted us to go through this three round draft scenario for the Cowboys. This is off of Sleeper Cowboys, the sleeper app that's on there. I don't know if we can even promote that stuff, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna just give you the three scenarios or. They have four scenarios of the first three round picks, starting with scenario one. Keep these. Tetaroa McMillan, Carson Swessinger, UCLA linebacker Damian Martinez, running back from Nick's favorite school, the Miami Hurricanes. That is the first one.

[Nick Harris]

It's not true.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, I know it's not true. Number two, Matthew Golden, Texas wide receiver. Quinn. Sean Judkins, running back from Ohio State. And then Noel Williams, corner from Cal. O' Brien likes Noel Williams quite a bit. Third scenario, A. Marion Hampton, running back from North Carolina. Siobhan Revelle from East Carolina, he's a corner. And then Trey Harris, Ole Miss wide receiver. These are some tough scenarios. All three of these are good. Josh Simmons is the starter of the fourth scenario. I know that's Vouch Lombardi's pick already. Offensive lineman from Ohio State, Travion Henderson, they go with the Ohio State brethren and running back. And then Alfred Collins, the defensive tackle from Texas is at the end. So four opportunities. If you need me to repeat any of them, let me know.

[Brian Broaddus]

My board would tell me the last one.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, same, same.

[Brian Broaddus]

My board would. I don't know if Dallas would do that. Yeah, my board. My board would tell me to take the last one is what it did. The revel one is also interesting to. My board would tell me to do that one as well, so. But for Dallas, I think we have to have a different discussion here.

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, usually the corner so damn bad, arguably two in this draft. And you hope your second one is at the top of day three rather than the bottom of day three.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That's what stinks about the number one on that, with that Schwessinger and Martinez.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Cause that would corner.

[Zach Wolchuk]

That'd be high for me. But yep, no corner in there makes it really, really tough. And I think they've got to come away with a corner in the first three rounds, they think, and start immediately.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I would love to combine one and three to make it Tet, Revel and Martinez. That would be great. But in this scenario, I think I would go three with Hampton, Savon, Revel and. And Trey Harris. I love Trey Harris.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I'm with you on Harris.

[Tommy Yarish]

If you get him in the third round still, we're doing backflips down the hallway.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that would be big time.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, that one does seem to be the best one. If you start to talk about what the Cowboys would do, I mean, or what they potentially.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Wide receiver, you get your needs.

[Brian Broaddus]

There's a couple different ways. We need to figure out, though, that Morrison worked out. Nick, I don't know if you know this or not. Maybe I'm putting you on the spot. Morrison worked out yesterday in Arizona, and I don't know if the Cowboys sent coaches down there. They did.

[Nick Harris]

They did.

[Brian Broaddus]

Okay, Notre Dame corner. So. Okay, so now they got the Notre Dame corner covered. So they've got all these corners covered. Maybe there's a couple of these corners that have had injury histories, that have first round grades. Ravel, Morrison, those types of guys. Maybe these are guys that you would consider at 44. I don't know if they get to you, but if they would, I would. That would be to me, grabbing first round guys off the board. Off my particular board. I don't know about their man.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I, I don't know which one I would go with. I, I think the third one is where I would lean just because it fills all three needs. And I feel confident in all three of those guys to be starters. Henderson or, excuse me, Hampton, Revel and Harris. I think all three of those guys could be there specifically. All right, Double R wants to know, can we get a comp between Thornton, the Tennessee wide receiver in the third or I guess day three possible pick, and te McMillan. Just curious, if slightly faster big wide receiver drafted in the third or later could give them a comparable production to what Ted McMillan would give them in the early parts of the draft.

[Nick Harris]

For me, Ted has a lot more to his game. I mean, from. I see Dante Thornton as a straight line guy. I mean, he's got the speed, but he's a straight line guy. And he's going to have those explosive plays for you for sure. But he's, he's going to meet some resistance starting off in the NFL because he doesn't have much of A routery. He doesn't have much deception, whereas Ted McMillan has a deception. He can beat you in the short to intermediate game. He can take the bubble screens and take them to the house. He can beat you with a double move down the field. Whereas Dante Thornton, I don't feel like has that same type of. Same type of feel. But Dante Thornton, I've said it on the show a couple times. I think he would be a fun addition to this team. If they don't end up getting that big possession guy early and they're still going into day three looking for a receiver. I think that's. That's a guy that would be a lot of fun. It's 65205. He can go up and grab it. He gives you that red zone presence. He ran a 4, 3 at the combine, so he's got the speed, too. You just hope there'd be some refinement with him as well. Also, one thing to note about Dante Thornton Jr. Jr. Adams recruited him to Oregon. That's where he began his career.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He transferred from Oregon.

[Nick Harris]

There are some connections between Dante Thornton Jr. And this coaching staff.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah. Thornton is really explosive. The problem is he doesn't make anybody miss.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yep.

[Nick Harris]

Yep.

[Brian Broaddus]

And that's the total opposite of what you got in McMillan. I think that's the biggest thing between these two guys. When you start to talk about. But the size, the ability to go get the football. Nick, hit it on the head. These Tennessee receivers, we mark, marvel at the plays they make down the field. But we also are upset that they only run two routes.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Brian Broaddus]

You know, and this guy is a big slant and a big vertical guy. You know, not to say he can't learn and do other things, but at 6, 5 and 2:05 and the speed he has. Absolutely. With the connections there with the Cowboys receivers, coach, you know, you'd have to consider that guy on day three for sure.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. Wrote kind of a one trick pony. But gosh, that trick is fun.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And it is.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I mean, he's a vertical threat.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's got some size to him.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. The size down the field on a nine round. Throw it up to him.

[Brian Broaddus]

I mean.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah. And he's super skinny. And I wonder if you can. If you find another big corner to go against him. He jams him at the line. Is he just going to get absolutely bullied? I mean, that's. I don't think there is a comparison between those two. You're talking night and day difference.

[Nick Harris]

Can we call this episode that trick is Fun.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That trick is Fun trick is fun. Make that happen. Now. I did in my, my seven round mock draft that I released on the blitz this past weekend. I in my simulation, Tetaro and McMillan was not there at 12. I went with Matthew golden at 12. That was just the pick that I had. I went with the value there on my board and I stuck and pick with Matthew Golden. Because of that, Thornton was available in the fifth round for me. I double dipped at wide receiver. I could see something like that. Maybe not those two, specifically golden and Thornton, but I could see them double dipping in certain spots to try and get what they weren't able to get in the first couple of rounds. Depending on who they go with at 12.

[Tommy Yarish]

I feel like if they're going to double decide, I don't know, next one. I feel like if they're going to double dip, you look at defensive tackle because they've only got five on this roster.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's a good one. Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

So there's got to be, you know, unless they sign somebody else here in the coming days before the draft or even after the draft, you got to feel like defensive tackle is the spot where they're going to double dip.

[Brian Broaddus]

If I could give you a real quick double dip. This is from John Owning did it on his mock draft. Berchard Smith from SMU and then he went Jarkez Hunter from Auburn.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay.

[Brian Broaddus]

How do you like that combination?

[Tommy Yarish]

I'd like that a lot.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

I think running backs, Rashad Smith would give you some slot flexibility too. So you could find packages, many packages where they're both on, both on the field for you. I would hope you get back a little bit earlier than jar.

[Brian Broaddus]

He did not take one in the first three picks. So he just double dipped it on.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The, on day three.

[Brian Broaddus]

On day three.

[Nick Harris]

But I think for a similar type, I think I would like my nun guy a little bit better or Ollie Gordon or Taj Brooks. That's in kind of that same range for me. A Land Larson in that same range for me over Smith, over Hunter. Hunter and then Smith double and back. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Because all those guys are bigger than Hunter. But I do like that combination. We talked about that yesterday. But I'm with you. I mean, I've got, I, I got Dodge Brooks in the third. I'm, I'm a massive Dodge Brooks fan. I think that guy can do everything. You don't have to take him off the field. I mean, the, the, the. And he's a tremendous pass blocker as well. Just not a burner for you. But you get that with Prashard Smith. So that would be a good compliment.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've got them all, almost all those names except for Hunter who is in the fifth for me. I've got everybody else that you guys talked about in the fourth. So right around that same conversation. All right, somebody wanted to send us. It's an excerpt of the pre draft press conference call from the Move the Sticks podcast. And Daniel Jeremiah, he talked about and he had an interesting answer for how the Cowboys could take an interior offensive lineman instead at pick number 12. I think they need to upgrade the receiver room for sure.

[Brian Broaddus]

Is the quote.

[Kyle Yeomans]

The expectation though in talking to folks around the league in regards to the Cowboys is that they've done a lot of work on the interior offensive lineman. Does that change the way you think about things or how does that fit in?

[Brian Broaddus]

Well, that's why. That's why I asked Nick where he had gold in. In relation to some of these other players, because I have to feel like that maybe could Booker, you know, be above. Could Booker Jackson, one of these guard, you know, the guards from Ohio State.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Would you consider Banks in that conversation?

[Brian Broaddus]

Banks could absolutely be in that mix for sure. If you want to play him at guard. I mean I. Him at tackle, but to them he's probably a guard. But yeah, I think that, you know those guys very well. Could be all above and maybe not Jackson, but Booker and then. And sure, Banks could be above golden and if that's the stack, then that's where I would say that maybe that's how they feel. Then you know, that's probably the direction that they might go.

[Nick Harris]

These are just alignment. I have above Golden, Banks, Booker, Gray, Zable, Member Campbell and Connerly. I'm a big Conner and Simmons. Excuse me, and Simmons. I'm a big Conner League.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I remember you being big on Connerly. Yeah, Connolly's athletic. Yeah, I like you.

[Brian Broaddus]

You wouldn't have a problem with them taking a guard then at 12 or you wouldn't have them a problem. Excuse me, alignment at 12.

[Nick Harris]

I mean, for training camp content purposes, I would be crushed. But no, we're trying to win football games. I wouldn't have that.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I mean, you.

[Nick Harris]

You look back to what Brian Schonheimer said of the league meeting in Florida about and we want to get more physical. We want to run the damn football. We want to. We're going to be a physical team. I asked him, what do you want this offensive identity to be right out the gates? He said, this is going to be a physical football team. We're going to get after it at the point of attack. It wouldn't surprise me if alignment is very much in play here at 12 and they go with a banks there or if somehow Campbell slides. If Campbell's there, then they pivot on that guy. The question for me that becomes really interesting is if they take Simmons because what the hell do they do, you know, who are they moving inside? Who's coming off the field? Because Guyton's not going to play guard. Steele's not going to play guard. Simmons isn't going to play guard. I mean, unless you're really trying to, you know, project him at a different spot on the different side of the ball. That's where things get a little interesting. But I can understand, like if you talk about winter dressing your board, if you really like a guy and he's at the top of your board there for you, you got to pick him and you figure it out later.

[Zach Wolchuk]

No chance Steele could play right guard?

[Nick Harris]

I don't, I don't think so.

[Brian Broaddus]

They talk about the power and stuff like that or lack of. I don't think that would be the case.

[Nick Harris]

And you want to maximize Steel's athleticism and like I said, draft 101. Like I said with the draft one on one last week, this coaching staff is going to help Terrence Steele more than any other player on this roster.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I do agree with you.

[Nick Harris]

And are you giving up on Tyler Guyton after year one? That's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That would be a big. If they take Simmons, that's a big indictment on what they think about Guyton.

[Brian Broaddus]

In my. Tell you what though, Simmons would start right off the jump.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He would be fantastic for me.

[Brian Broaddus]

And I don't think, I don't think you would look back. I think you would be really, really happy with him playing, playing tackle for you. You know, I just, like I said, I just, I just think he's too good of a player. But I'm all about. If they're going to take alignment at 12, I never have a problem. What do you guys. Real quick. And I know it's a wholly different show, but with like awesome Richards. Could awesome Richards play right guard?

[Nick Harris]

Yeah, that's certainly, certainly a possibility.

[Brian Broaddus]

I mean, he likes to play. He wants to play guard more than he does tackle. Are we not thinking about him or Thomas, one of these guys?

[Zach Wolchuk]

Nate Thomas is a guy.

[Brian Broaddus]

I mean, I know it's. Maybe they're thinking about guys that we're not thinking about. Sure. You know, and that's why then you would say, well, hell, we'll draft Simmons or one of these guys and play him at tackle. And then we'll let. We'll let, you know, Guyton, go compete, you know, maybe on the right side there and figure this thing out.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

One thing about Simmons, his medicals are pretty strong. Everyone feels pretty good about that knee going into the draft.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And every time something like that comes out, it continues to push him up and up draft.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He could go way higher than we're talking, or he could go before the Cowboys even pick it.

[Brian Broaddus]

I got a lot of followers from Kansas City fans because I talk about him. Everybody in Kansas City thinks he's going to be there at 31. It might be. If they do, then Andy Reid, I'm going to kiss you when I see you.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That would be interesting. All right, when we come back. When we come back, frame that in the Lou. We're going to hit some more three round mock drafts that we're putting together and we've put together over these final days leading into the NFL draft. More of the draft show right after this.

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[Tommy Yarish]

Oh, I don't feel confident about this at all, but we're going to do it nonetheless. First round, I'm going Matthew golden, wide receiver from Texas. Like I said, I don't think Ted McMillan is going to be there. I think.

[Julian Edelman]

All right, all right, all right.

[Brian Broaddus]

Thank you, Chris. Thank you.

[Tommy Yarish]

Matthew McConaughey. I think that, you know, Golden's the second best receiver that the Cowboys would, Would, would look at in that spot. I think even though, you know, I've, like I said, I still got burden higher on my board. I think Golden's the other name that they're looking at. So I go golden the first, Savon Revel Jr. The corner from East Carolina in the second. I feel like, though, that might be one where he just drops and, you know, if you're questioning the medicals too much, depends what the report is on him. I've heard nothing. I don't think I've heard anything concerning if. Is there anything.

[Nick Harris]

It's just a matter of if he's going to be ready at camp.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Training camp.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think he's.

[Brian Broaddus]

I think I've heard. I've heard really good stuff about him, believe it or not.

[Nick Harris]

Good. The same people saying about Ravel, the same people that said Brooks was going to be ready in time for camp last year. So I worry about that. And Brooks wasn't ready till October, so that's, that's, that's the only thing that's holding me back on being like, yeah, Revel is fine, but, you know, we'll see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Good to keep up with, though.

[Tommy Yarish]

Thanks for saying that after I made.

[Brian Broaddus]

Gosh, what a. I like, I like your pick, though.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I mean, I'd still love to take Rock.

[Tommy Yarish]

He's a great player.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He's awesome.

[Tommy Yarish]

And then third round, I'm taking Jordan Phillips. You're if defensive tackle Maryland. I would love. I would love Alfred Collins in this spot. I think Collins is going to go before that in the third. So you get your one Tech there in the middle of the defensive line.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Because like I said, oh, brother, this guy stinks.

[Brian Broaddus]

For what?

[Nick Harris]

Because you passed on the Texas guy?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Yarish]

Well, no, I said he's not going to be there.

[Zach Wolchuk]

He's gonna go too high.

[Tommy Yarish]

Yeah, I think he's not going to be there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That was Tommy's reaction whenever it happened.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Harris]

He would play Phillips at the one time Tech.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would.

[Nick Harris]

Okay.

[Brian Broaddus]

Yeah.

[Nick Harris]

Cowboys offensive line coach Aaron White Cotton was at his pro day. He's just got three Tech five Tech experience And I, I think there is a slide inside that's possible in his future. You just, he'd be strictly there for you on early rundowns. Zero sacks in his career. That's just the one thing that really stands out to me from a pass rush perspective.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah, I do like Jordan Phillips, though. Big fan of his.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Brian, what you think? I like your three picks, by the way. Tommy, you don't stink, I promise. Thanks, Brian. What are your three?

[Brian Broaddus]

I beg to differ. I am him. I'm struggling with two. With the fact that I don't think McMillan is going to be there. So struggling with that. I do think that they're going to go. I think they're going to go in opposite direction here. I think they're going to take a cornerback here. I think Will Johnson is going to be the pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Wow.

[Brian Broaddus]

For them at, at 12, you know, there might be some possibility of him going earlier, but I have a feeling that I think there's just. And that's why I keep asking this question about the gap, gap between McMillan and, say, Golden. And I'm thinking that maybe that the way they're going to stack this thing, there's going to be defensive player or an offensive player, and it's not going to be a wide receiver that's going to be there. I think that Will Johnson might be there, might be one of the guys that they really, really consider there. So I'm going to take Will Johnson with that, with that pick.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't want to disrupt you too bad, but I do want to ask a question before moving on. Do you feel like the Matt Gold, the Matthew golden conversation has been a smokescreen the entire time?

[Brian Broaddus]

No, I don't. I think that they're legitimately trying to figure about the receiver position, but I think is, as, you know, as we were going along here, we didn't consider where they're stuck. And I know I'm making a big deal about this, but I think it's really important.

[Zach Wolchuk]

It is.

[Brian Broaddus]

Because what happens when you get in that room, you don't want big time discussions on the clock. As a, as a group, we agreed this is our player, this is how we see these players. If it's our turn to pick, these are our guys. I think that. I think golden is a hell of a player and that, yeah, they absolutely need a wide receiver, but I just wonder if there's guys on their board that they feel that's better. And that's why I asked Nick that question. I think Nick's got a really good handle on this. Of the guys that between, you know, between say, McMillan and then also Golden. I kind of. I'm not as deep as he is on those, but I think he's going the right direction here. So I'm going to. I'm going to pick. I'm going to pick Will Johnson there with the 12th, the 12th pick. I'm going to turn around in the second round and I'm going to. I'm going to say that they're going to have a chance to draft Henderson here. I think Henderson is going to get to them at 44. So I'm going to go with Johnson, Henderson, and then I'm going to go ahead and give you an idea of. I'm going to take Royals. The wide receiver from Utah State.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I like that.

[Brian Broaddus]

So corner. I didn't get the defensive tackle. Maybe some of these guys slide. You know, that would be something. I think that would be, you know, would help the Cowboys. But let's go Johnson right there. Let's go Henderson and let's go Royal Royals.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think the way the Cowboys fans would react to those three picks, they would be a little disappointed in Will Johnson. Just based off of initial reaction. That's it. I think Will Johnson can be a good player. I have a first round grade on him. Specifically, I'm. I'm a little higher on Will Johnson than most, so I wouldn't be upset about it. I think Cowboys fans as a whole would probably be upset. However, the two and three round haul that you get there with Henderson and Royals, I think that would subside all of the disappointment from round one and you get three solid spots filled.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Oh, they'd be home runs.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think those are two grand slams in the second and the third.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Round because I'd pray they'd make it there. I don't think that they would, but gosh, if they did. Brian, you got a great cluster there. I love those three picks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What are your three?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I'm going to stick with Ted McMillan and you're right, he might not be there, but I think that he's the guy that they want. He's the guy that I would also like. So I'm just going to go ahead and hope that the draft gods are shining on the Cowboys like they did with CD Lamb a few years ago. And Ted Roll McMillan finds his way to navigate to 12. Then I do think you're going to get a run on corners. I don't know if this player is going to be there, but Maxwell Harris in The corner of Kentucky. We haven't. I don't know that we've linked him a lot to the Cowboys 6, 1, 1. He tied the school record for most interceptions returned for touchdown. Super athlete, team captain. He's a great zone cover guy. I think that he's one of the better corners in this draft. He might end up sneaking into the first round and not being there. And then in the third there I thought about defensive tackle as well. I do think I'm going to just go with the running back here and Tutin from Virginia Tech is the guy. Now, I personally do like RJ Harvey more, but they might like Bra Tootin a little bit more out of Virginia Tech and he's an electrifying runner. Incredible production, home run speed, physical between the tackles, despite being a smaller bag. Those three would get me very, very excited if that's what they were able to do Day one and two, we.

[Nick Harris]

Would have such a fun conversation if we're there at 76 and they haven't taken the running back yet because there's going to be so many in that sweet spot. We're going to have a fun conversation about that and probably a fun conversation in the war room between guys like Tuton, RJ Harvey, Damen Martinez, Devin Neil, if he's in that mix for them. Guys like that. My three, my, my. I'll go backwards. Third round, Bay Shell, Tutin. I'm with you. I, I think, I think there's a lot of things that make sense about him in this offense and you know, you factor in him being a 30 visit guy as well. I, I think he just makes a lot of sense, especially when you talk about being violent, being physical. He's. He is that type of guy. In the second round, Trey Amos out of Ole Miss. This is a, this is a top 25 player on my board.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I would be so for that, I.

[Nick Harris]

Think he is legit. Legit. The. You would have to play some musical chairs at the corner spot to figure out, you know, who's gonna slide inside, who's gonna be your inside guy, especially once Diggs gets healthy. But it also gives you the, the freedom until Diggs gets healthy. And then in the first round I'm going to Mikel Williams at 12 and who knows, this could change by Thursday. But that's, that's the pick I see happening right now. But if you ask my confidence level on it, I'm all the way in Nar.

[Brian Broaddus]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I think.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Do we all feel. If you gave me a scale of 1 to 10. What would be your confidence level on your first round pick?

[Zach Wolchuk]

I mean, I'm 100% if he's on the board. I'm just scared that it's not there.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I agree with you.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I just stuck with it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

What's your confidence level that he's on.

[Zach Wolchuk]

The board right now? Like at 10%.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so you would give me a.

[Zach Wolchuk]

One out of ten.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So what would be your confidence level in your first round pick, Brian?

[Brian Broaddus]

I am four. I'm five. I'm going five out of five out of ten.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, halfway there.

[Brian Broaddus]

Go like four, four, four.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Probably a four. My first round right now is golden. I, I think we're going to learn a lot over the next 48 hours. I really do. I'm still thinking golden at the point. My second round pick would be Siobhan Revelle out of ecu going with that cornerback spot. I know he's a little banged up, but I still think he's an immediate player and a first round caliber player when he's healthy. And then my third one would be BAAL Tootin as well out of Virginia Tech. Let's, let's make something out of that running back room in the third round and then we can continue to fix it from there. But I would put a three on my confidence level with Goldman in the.

[Nick Harris]

First round pick really quick. The positions of need, the dire positions of need for this team, you talk about receiver, you talk about corner and defensive tackle. You can even throw running back in there too.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Nick Harris]

The one position that I think you could get away with not picking in the first two days and you'll find somebody in free agency still and still have a competent option at that spot is receiver. And I wonder how much they think about the same thing because that was certainly their thinking last year at the running back position. It just didn't work out for them. I do wonder how much that factors in because if they signed that guy yesterday, that guy would factor into a comp pick formula. If they sign him next Wednesday, it doesn't necessarily factor into a comp pick formula.

[Zach Wolchuk]

I think that's a great point. And as we've talked like the golden Igbuka Battle. I think Brian, with Will Johnson there, if Ted's not on the board, I could easily see Will Johnson being the pivot pick there.

[Brian Broaddus]

I just think that it's somebody. And I picked somebody and I could have picked Mikel Williams there too. Yeah, I just think they're going to be a large. I shouldn't say large. There's going to be several players between McMillan and Golden on the stack. That's just, that's how I think this is going to play out because they could, hell, we talked about gold. It could be burden could be there. I mean, these are guys, they could like both those guys more than they like Golden. You know, it's just been a lot of buzz about Golden. I think a lot of it has to do with the speed. He's an outstanding player, but I think there's just a group of players that they maybe like a little bit better in between. And that's, that's kind of what I factored in on my, my selections.

[Zach Wolchuk]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, that's going to do it for us here on the draft show next time. We're going to be on the air 6:00 clock Central Time on Thursday. We'll have an hour lead in to get you ready for the first 32 picks on the board will be suited and booted. The investigation, the education, all of that is done. Hay is in the barn. We'll give you some more info as we get closer and closer to the 12th overall pick coming up on Thursday. We can, you can find us on 153theFAN. Find us on the Odyssey app. Dallas Cowboys.com Dallas Cowboy streaming platforms it's going to be all over the place on Thursday. Cannot wait to go wall to wall coverage of the entire 2025 NFL Draft. Yes, botch Lombardi will be there. Yes, Bobby Belt will be there. Everybody will be rotating hourly throughout the weekend. So you will hear from every single person on our draft show panel throughout the weekend and even more so as all three days unfold. But that's going to do it for us for Zach Wolchuk, Brian Broadus, Tommy Yarish, Nick Harris, Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans saying so long from the draft show. We'll see you on Thursday. It's time for the 2025 NFL Draft. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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