Draft Show: Who is Likely to Fall?

Summary

The Draft Show: “Who is Likely to Fall?”

Date: February 5, 2026
Hosts: Vashon (Voch) Lombardi, Kyle Yeomans, Aisha Morrison
(Bobby Belt and Tommy Yarish absent, reporting from Super Bowl week)

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Episode Overview

In this episode of The Draft Show, the crew dives deep into 2025 NFL Draft prospects, focusing on players who might fall further than expected and discussing floor-versus-ceiling philosophies in roster building. The conversation spotlights linebackers and edge rushers, dissects reasons why certain prospects are undervalued by NFL scouts, and debates both Cowboys-specific and general NFL draft strategy. Listener questions are featured via "Twitter on the 20," bringing even more draft hypotheticals into the mix.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Anthony Hill Jr. – Media vs. League Perception

• Topic: There’s a buzz that NFL teams are lower on Texas LB Anthony Hill Jr. than media analysts.
• [02:46] Vashon: “The official people are lower on linebacker Anthony Hill Jr. from Texas than media scout people are. I think a little highly of him.”
• NFL scouts reportedly put a 3rd or 4th round grade on Hill, while the show’s hosts have him as a clear 2nd, even late 1st round prospect.
• Hosts praise Hill’s production, athletic upside, youth, and versatility.
• Aisha: “That’s a lot of football...31 and a half tackles for loss, 17 sacks, two fumble recoveries, three interceptions, eight force fumbles. I mean, what are we looking for?” [04:58]
• Debate about why teams are cool on him; consensus is that proven on-field impact should carry more weight.

2. Linebacker Class Depth & Evaluation

• Debate over whether this year’s LB class is “top heavy” or “deep.”
• Aisha: "I think it's a deep class, but I think that there's a select few guys that can do everything..." [09:02]
• Hill is ranked 4th on Kyle's board, behind Arvell Reese, CJ Allen, and Sonny Stiles.

3. Keldrick Falk – First-Round Hype or Day Two Value?

• Complaints about mock drafts putting Auburn EDGE Keldrick Falk in the top 10–15 picks.
• Vashon: “I like Keldrick Falk a whole bunch...I like him a lot. We just don't have day two picks. It’s where you take them…” [11:55]
• Consensus: Falk is a worthwhile prospect, but more reasonable as a late-2nd or 3rd rounder, not a 1st-round pick for Dallas.
• Discussion of his steady run defense, scheme versatility, and developmental upside as a pass rusher.
• The loss of Cowboys DE Marshawn Neely affects positional needs.

4. Draft Philosophy: Floor vs. Ceiling

• “Twitter on the 20” sparks a lively talk about whether the Cowboys (or drafters in general) should prioritize immediate contributors (high floor) or long-term upside (high ceiling).
• Aisha: “I'm typically ceiling person...but as far as the scouting goes, I want a guy...most people want a guy that can come help now.” [21:25]
• Vashon: “If you have a five year deal on a first round player...how many of those years do I have to dedicate to teaching you something?” [23:17]
• Philosophical division: Floor is preferred for Dallas due to roster needs—Cowboys can’t afford developmental projects.

5. Who Could Fall in the Draft? (Potential Steals)

• Positions devalued in NFL Draft rooms: safety and non-elite corners.
• Vashon: “Team suck at drafting Kyle. So they're going to look at Caleb Downs and be like, you play safety.” [28:46]
• Safeties and short corners (like M. Delane) named as likely “fallers” and value picks.
• Aisha: Predicts Peter Woods (Clemson DT) will slide further than most expect: “I didn't see a first round player.” [30:03]

6. Ranking & Evaluating Defensive Tackles

• Debate on Peter Woods (Clemson), Caleb Banks, Kaden McDonald, Mykel Miller, and Lee Hunter.
• Concerns center on football IQ, functional strength (upper vs. lower body), and production.
• Mozzie Smith mentioned as a comparable prospect in terms of strengths and weaknesses.
• Aisha: "His power comes more from the upper half than the lower..." [33:30]

7. Cowboys-Specific Scenarios & Edge Rusher Rankings

• Hypothetical draft scenarios for Dallas: Keep core offensive weapons and go defense early (keep Pickens and draft Sonny Styles + best EDGE at 20), or let Pickens walk and draft WR + EDGE.
• Overwhelming agreement to keep the offensive group intact and reinforce defense.
• Breakdown of edge rusher grades at pick 20, with David Bailey (Stanford) and R. Mason Thomas (Oklahoma) top of the consensus.
• TJ Parker (Clemson) seen nationally as a potential 1st but lower on hosts’ personal boards due to rawness/technique.

8. Traits vs. Technique at Edge—The TJ Parker Debate

• Vashon: “I don't think he knows how to...play football just yet. He doesn't have a plan on both sides. I think he plays the game with his eyes closed—not literally, but it feels that way.” [46:29]
• Preference for pass rushers who show advanced technique, awareness, and counters over pure traits guys.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On draft mistakes:

  “Teams suck at drafting. They do...I don’t work for no team or nothing like that, but I hit on picks. Teams miss every year.”
  — Vashon Lombardi [08:04]

• On player development and Dallas:

  “Dallas ain’t got time to be okay...the time in which it takes for these guys to get there is—you got other stuff you trying to do.”
  — Aisha Morrison [21:25]

• Anthony Hill skepticism:

  “31 and a half tackles for loss, 17 sacks, two fumble recoveries, three interceptions, eight force fumbles. I mean, what are we looking for?”
  — Aisha Morrison [04:58]

• Mock drafts as groupthink:

  “I'm building this draft based on what I heard or whatever. And I see Keldrick Falk at like 9 overall. What y’all think about that?”
  — Vashon Lombardi [09:29]

• Technical vs. raw edge rushers:

  “I’m always gonna go for the nuancey guys, for the technician guys.”
  — Vashon Lombardi [28:13]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Anthony Hill Jr. evaluation & team perceptions – [02:46] to [06:58]
• Linebacker class depth – [08:58]
• Keldrick Falk draft value discussion – [09:29] to [14:24]
• Floor vs. Ceiling debate – [21:25] to [24:41]
• “Who could fall?” Potential steals – [28:23] to [30:57]
• Defensive tackle rankings & Woods/Banks – [31:28] to [34:52]
• Cowboys draft hypotheticals – [39:34] to [44:46]
• EDGE rusher rankings & Parker debate – [44:59] to [48:47]
• Player development & position value at EDGE – [49:13] to [50:53]

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Flow & Tone

The conversation is fast, candid, and laced with friendly banter—often including jokes about shopping in the “husky” or kids’ clothing aisle (early show), playful jabs about being “arrogant,” and tongue-in-cheek remarks about the Cowboys’ (and the league’s) track record at draft evaluation. The crew is analytical but accessible, breaking down advanced scouting concepts in clear, relatable language while debating picks like passionate fans inside the war room.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• Main takeaway: The crew trust their boards and tape study over conventional NFL wisdom and believe several plug-and-play contributors might slip on draft day.
• The divide between “media” and “official” draft grades (especially on linebackers and safeties) could produce value picks for savvy teams.
• For Dallas, the hosts strongly recommend maintaining an elite offense and using draft capital to fill holes on defense—especially immediate-impact players up front.
• Emphasis placed on technical proficiency, football IQ, and track record over raw traits or hype.

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The Draft Show continues to offer candid, detailed discussions that go far beyond mock drafts—if you’re a Cowboys fan or NFL Draft enthusiast, this is must-listen material.

Transcript

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[Kyle Yeomans]

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[Vashon Lombardi]

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[Kyle Yeomans]

Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish and Kyle Yeomans. Today is Thursday, February 5th. I almost went back a month, but there are 77 days until the 2026 NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome in to the Draft show presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. As we've got Fox Lombardi, Aisha Morrison. Back in the SWBC studio, I'm Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam in the back. Glad you're with us. Welcome on in, everybody. We're going to try and hit as many scouting reports and names as we possibly can for you over 45 minutes to an hour. We'll see exactly how many we can get to, but we want to get to the point where our preparation is helping your preparation. The investigation leads to the education. As we've always said on this show, investigate and educate. But Aisha, good to have you back for a second straight show. I like the Seattle SuperSonics gear. A little throwback.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, I know, I know. Shout out to your local Goodwill.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And the kids aisle.

[Aisha Morrison]

The kids aisle of don't sleep on the kids aisle. If you could fit it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm sleeping on the kids aisle. Other than for my kids.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. It's one of the upsides of being a miniature human.

[Vashon Lombardi]

When I was a kid, I had to shop in the husky aisle. So I ain't shopping the kids aisle husky in a long time. Do they even say husky? No. More like in basic or something. They don't.

[Aisha Morrison]

Did they ever say husky you ain't? Well, that's a label.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Of course, you wouldn't know. But yeah. When I was a big boy as a young and I had to shop in the husky section, so I guess that mean fat boy section. You know what I mean?

[Aisha Morrison]

A big and tall.

[Vashon Lombardi]

So some kids were like twelves. I wear a 12 husky. Oh, 12. That means same length but more this way. You feel me? So, hey, man, you gotta do what you gotta do, though, on draft wise, right? Let's get off my hussy. Can I ask y' all something? Yeah, please. We got friends at Radio Row, right? Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I got a call from two of them this morning saying that they miss being on the draft show.

[Vashon Lombardi]

No, they don't. Cause I'm just talking over people. But, man, they just out there kicking it at Radio Row and they run into a bunch of draft people and some people that work for the league and scouts and all this kind of stuff. And what the homie told me is that the common sentiments is that the official people are lower on linebacker Anthony Hill Jr. From Texas than media scout people are. I think a little highly of them. I had a two on my board, and I was talking to the homie. They was like, a lot of people got threes and fours on them. Wow. And I was like, sir.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So you're saying football side football people.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Scouts and front offices, people that get paid from the administration budget, not from the entertainment budget.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're right.

[Vashon Lombardi]

They like. They. We like Anthony Hill a little more than they do.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I wonder why.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Like a three, four, like type grade. I'm like, I got a smooth two on them. Yeah. I was thinking with some room to grow, you know what I'm saying? And I thought that was one thing that was kind of going to separate him from some of the rest of these guys. Like, you know, he got the size and the measurables, but then there's like, the upside of the athleticism. If you look at some of the other linebackers that are in the 2, 3 range, it could be York, Tory.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And York, out of Tory and York.

[Vashon Lombardi]

A and M. A little smaller of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A guy, but still a runaround guy.

[Vashon Lombardi]

CJ Allen from Georgia, we don't know how he's gonna run our guy from A and M. Rodriguez, we don't know if he's gonna run really well from Texas Tech. So in my mind, Anthony Hill, a guy that looks like he can run his ass off a little bit, and he got some length and some six'3,240, a little bit of coverage, some coverage, upside abilities, some pass rush abilities. You know, he's a nugget downhill and thumping and smoking folk.

[Aisha Morrison]

And he young, and he a baby.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Plenty of room to grow. I'm like, damn, dog. Why are the. Why are they a little. A little lower on Anthony Hill than we are? I just want to think he could.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Get be or he could be getting knocked off of the youth there at the linebacker spot. Because for some people that might be a good thing. As he's got, he's young, he's got room to grow. But also for a linebacker spot and especially for a team like Dallas that needs linebackers to make impact immediately. Maybe these teams don't want to have to develop somebody. They want somebody more program.

[Aisha Morrison]

I mean. But in fairness though, this man played in 40 games with 32 starts.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yes, he did.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's a lot of football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That is a lot of football.

[Aisha Morrison]

Ain't no need a bit of football.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Sure.

[Aisha Morrison]

So much. Yes, this much. So. And then obviously the production was there. 31 and a half tackles for loss, 17 sacks, two fumble recoveries, three interceptions, eight force fumbles. I mean, what are we looking for? Yeah, yeah, what are you looking for?

[Vashon Lombardi]

They didn't go into detail. They, they were just kind of letting me know that they're a little lower on them than his toe hurting or something. I don't think it's toe hurting. Cause they'll tell you if it's toe hurting. You feel me? Like if it's something obvious like that, they'll tell you like, oh, well, injury's gonna knock him. Character's gonna knock him. They was just like, we just think he's a day 3 lower third type guy and we just have him a little too high.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who are you putting in front of him?

[Aisha Morrison]

That's what I'm.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's what's in that conversation because you mentioned Torian York. I've got Anthony Hill Jr higher. Jacob Rodriguez. I've got Anthony Hill Jr higher. Even though I do like Jacob Rodriguez as a prospect. Kyle Lewis out of Pittsburgh, higher. Bryce Botcher out of Oregon, higher. Yeah, like my third guy, Hill is fourth on my list behind Arvell Reese, Ohio State. CJ Allen, Georgia. Sonny Stiles, Ohio State as well. Then It's Anthony Hill Jr. Those are, those are the guys. Now remember, we're still very early in the process and this can change, but I don't see him moving around. I've covered him since high school when he was playing at Denton Ryan.

[Aisha Morrison]

Oh, how'd you feel about him?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I loved him in high school. He was one of my favorite all around athletes I've ever watched play at the high school.

[Aisha Morrison]

I was so pumped up after watching this tape, I actually put it in my notes. Like this linebacker class got some guys in it. So that's interesting. I guess I'm curious to get more information on what it is that they're down on because I see a Productive, violent player that has a nose for the ball. Isn't that what you want to know?

[Vashon Lombardi]

That's exactly what you want.

[Aisha Morrison]

And also too, that displays the ability to have some route recognition and coverage and stuff like that. What the hell are we looking for?

[Vashon Lombardi]

I don't know what's going on with people now. If they want to label it as. I can't even vouch for the people. I don't know what they're thinking, where.

[Aisha Morrison]

They'Re thinking the size is pretty good.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Because look, when I was watching them back to back or whatever, right? Cause I watched the first few guys in groups, so I was watching linebackers and I was watching. It was like Sonny, C.J. allen. And then I got to Hill and I was like, damn, boy. I don't know if Hill's gonna run well or I don't know what Hill's like, if his length is gonna be a problem and then you get to heel and he runs well and he got fantastic length. Even if he's not as good a cover guy as Sonny Styles from Ohio State and C.J. allen from Georgia right now, he has the athletic ability on the upside to grow and figure it out. You know what I'm saying? So when I saw Hill, I say, hey man, we got us a little two here. And the question is, hey, Vash, is he a trade back to 30 and get him there or is he like a late one type guy? And I didn't think it was nonsense when I heard it. You want to take Anthony Hill at 35 or 29, I think that's fair. But boy, he hit me upside the head, bro. He hit me upside the head.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He said third round.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Third. I say, damn, but Kyle's case, let's.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Go ahead and start getting them to slip to the fourth. Let's get him into the fourth round. Let's make it happen there, Freddie Saints.

[Vashon Lombardi]

If I say anything, Kyle, and people gonna hate me saying this cause they think I'm arrogant already.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay?

[Vashon Lombardi]

Teams suck at drafting. Yeah, teams suck at drafting. They do. Aisha has receipts, Vash has receipts. Kyle have receipts of us being of us hitting on picks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't work for no team or nothing like that, but I hit on picks. Teams miss every year. So I' going to change my board at all because they have an opinion. But I like Hill. I just wanted y thoughts on that. Maybe I was a little too high on Hill, but I guess we're all sympatical.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where do you have him aisha I.

[Aisha Morrison]

Have him as a early second, mid second at the latest. I don't understand what it is that you like. The. The linebacker that I have before him is Allen and like, right before him. As far as, like, as my stack, I don't understand what it is there. I mean, this class, though, we. As we've gotten into this class, there are some impressive guys in the class.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Sure.

[Aisha Morrison]

But it is top heavy, so. Well, how are they deciphering? Like, who's. I don't know.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You're saying linebacker is top heavy?

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm saying that linebacker feels a little top heavy from.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm thinking it's deep.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think it's a deep. What I'm saying is I think it's a deep class, but I think that there's a select few guys that can.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Do everything top, like 1, 2, and 3.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, yes, I see what you're saying.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's what I mean is by that, like, the other guys you are looking up and he's not one of them. I mean, yes, he has to develop, but I think the tools he comes with now, he can be effective in doing what he's doing right now on a team. So I just. I don't understand. But that's. It's not our business. We don't get paid that much to be.

[Vashon Lombardi]

What do you guys think about when you see these mock drafts and in mock draft season is really. I'm building this draft based on what I heard or whatever.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vashon Lombardi]

And I see Keldrick falk at like 9 overall. What y' all think about that?

[Kyle Yeomans]

He keeps popping up there. I saw somebody else put him at like 7 or 8.

[Aisha Morrison]

I just think you can't.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I like it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You would like it here.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I would love Keldrick Falk if he went top 11.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, okay.

[Vashon Lombardi]

If he went top 11.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just not 12.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Mikel Williams went to San Fran last year right before us. And I just fake pinned through. I was like, oh, man, there's one less. One less to worry about.

[Aisha Morrison]

Y' all so petty.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You got yourself a player.

[Aisha Morrison]

Y' all so petty. Cause we already know how people felt about Micah. But. But when it comes to Kendrick Falk, the thing about drafting and it's something that I'm learning in school.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Out of Auburn, by the way.

[Aisha Morrison]

Out of Auburn, rather.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

People are going to, you know, teams are going to go with certainty. And he for certain, looks like somebody that can come in and immediately be a steady run stopper. And it's not just how he does it. I mean, and the profile Is there like the physical ability is there for him to develop? Some of the past Rush stuff. I talked about this on another show that I was on and I know that nobody want to hear it, but there, Dallas does have to acknowledge the loss of Marshawn Neely.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

This was a gentleman that they. This was a third round pick. This is someone that they really had some, you know, faith in to come in. And he reminds me to some degree, like the profile of a folk. Still working the hands, relentless pursuit, still developing as a pass rusher. However, as a day one run stopper, you can move him inside, you can move it on the edge a little bit. His length is going to help him work. His. His motor is going to help him work. And to your point, this is a run defender and teams are looking for that. And so I just feel like we're not valuing him as Cowboys people because we know we need a speed rusher today, tomorrow, someday. But other teams might really just be like, hey, I'm about to get a guy that can immediately come in and set the edge and cause mismatches. I see the value in the player. I don't see the value in the player for Dallas. I think other teams might see the value in him because. And we've seen this with defensive ends in the last couple of years. We've seen the uptick in speed rusher and it's this or that with a lot of guys, it's either they can rush the passer.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Everybody's missing something, something.

[Aisha Morrison]

So it's like maybe they see something that they can work. What you got?

[Vashon Lombardi]

I'll add another level to it. I like Keldrick Falk a whole bunch. I do too. I like him a lot. We just don't have day two picks. Yeah, we just don't have. We just don't have day two picks.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's what you tweeted.

[Vashon Lombardi]

That's what I tweeted. And. But I think that's because people think that just because I'm waving my finger at a player, they think I don't like the player. I like all these players. It's where you take them. It's where you take them and where.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Your draft capital lines you up for possible extras.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Isaiah World is other options is a tackle from Oregon. Yeah. Isaiah World. I like him a lot.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's all world.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I like him a lot, but boy, he got. He's. He's big, tall, long arms, quick moving feet. But he don't know how to play offensive line yet he don't know where to put his hands. He like to lean, he stand up tall. All the O line stuff I hate. But people are talking about him as like a third, fourth round pick. Yeah, I like him as a seventh round undrafted character. I would love to have him on this squad and develop him a little bit. Come on. You know what I'm saying? So I don't hate any of these players. So back to Keldrick Falk edge from Auburn. Bring him in here if you can find some miscellaneous third round pick at the end of the third or something. I'll take Keljifoch right there if you haven't gone edge yet.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so let me ask you this then.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Not even a third round for you?

[Aisha Morrison]

No, it's not changing.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Keltrick is a four for you?

[Aisha Morrison]

No, I'm saying they're not going to change their mind.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, they know. I'm sorry, go ahead.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hold on, hold on. You're saying Keldrick Falk, you would take him in the third or you would take him at 12 knowing that you had a third.

[Vashon Lombardi]

No, no, no. I'd be sick if Dallas took Keldrick Falk at 12. What I'm saying is if Keldrick Falk, if draft hype aside, if he fell to the third round, people think I don't like Keldrick Falk just cause I don't want him at 12. I like Keldrick Falk if you draft keldrick Falk at 90 something. Oh man, I like Keljk. Falk 20. Nope. Okay. Not for me. Because it'll be 35. Well, because it'll be a player in my edge group in that range. How? Texas A and M. Mesador, Miami height, Texas Tech.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Mason Thomas from. I like all those guys better than Falk right now. Now once you get past R. Mason Thomas, we in the 30s or something and Kelvin Falk is there. Sure, I'll take Kelvin Falk or TJ Parker or something. That's my range for those guys. But I would rather those guys overfault.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, so that was, that was going to be my question at first. I thought you were saying you would, you would pass up or you would take the opportunity to take Falk at 12 or 20 because of the draft hype and I mean he's being rumored to be a top 10 pick at the moment.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah, no, that is what I'm saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I thought that's what you were saying. I was like, hold on. I was like, I could probably get you to that point where in free agency you've made enough acquisitions, you've built enough around it to where you feel fine taking an edge rusher even though you don't have a day two pick.

[Vashon Lombardi]

If that's the case, I would just take an edge rusher that I like more and.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And just take one of those guys. That makes sense.

[Aisha Morrison]

But he's also too. We're looking at Mezador. Are we waiting on possible medical?

[Vashon Lombardi]

Okay. Nothing about his feet. I don't care that he my age.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm just saying he could play Keldrick. Falk is also.

[Vashon Lombardi]

And Mezador's tape is better than Falk, too.

[Aisha Morrison]

He's also durable.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I agree with that one.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Own business. What you say mess is better than folks.

[Aisha Morrison]

I agree with you. But I think when we're looking at the whole picture, though, of the production, the durability, not missing a snap in three seasons for a scout, this is an easy scout for if. For football, because it makes sense from the stats and all that stuff.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Size, stats, ability, youth.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's what they looking for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Competition level.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, that's what they looking for. And I know that that's not like the level that maybe we're looking at in those things, but I'm telling you, he is. He fits. He fits the bill for a lot of teams.

[Vashon Lombardi]

When free agency comes around, right? Huh? What'd you say? I just want another example. I just want to make a. When free agency comes around for the Cowboys. Right. Jalen Phillips is a free agent. Right. So I could talk about him. Yes, he's a free agent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Let me double check.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He's a free agent.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes.

[Vashon Lombardi]

But he has a long medical history. When Cowboys go into free agents, you would take a more. You would take a healthier player over a player that's better, is what you're saying. You would take a lesser player than a player that's actually better. Like you. You saying that that health kind of scares you away, is what you're saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I mean, with this team. Yes, in my.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Well, for them. Yes, for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

What I'm saying is, is that when you're talking about scout, about scouts and them, okay, that's how they. That is how they rationalize.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Well.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And that's why the combine is such.

[Vashon Lombardi]

A big thing, too.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Vashon Lombardi]

If I'm on Cowboys payroll, I'm gonna say, look, I ain't worried about these people feet. I'm not worried about his sixth year in the league. Honestly, mess it up, like, once you get past the fifth Year option or whatever. We'll just address it then. I think, I do think, and I'm gonna say this to the cat, I think that there's this idea that your first round picks have to play 15 years for you. You know what I'm saying? And it'll be nice if they did. But I think the league restarts so much like it happens with the Seah, with the Rams or whatever, right? They'll be really good. They'll be bad for like one year, then they restart. Man, I'm, I'm, I'm starting to get over the idea, especially with the old player narrative. Mellow heights. Another 25 year old player. Yeah, man, in five years he'd be 30. I don't care if he's better than the 20 year old. I just want to take the better dude. I don't care that you 20 and, and you got a lot of room to grow. I'm floor guy. I want the dude that could play right now. So you mean, tell me I got five years of a dude that I know can play right now or I got five years of a dude that I got to develop in three years and maybe the last two years he'd be co. I'll take the old dude that's been playing for seven years because of COVID or whatever. But that's just my opinion, especially right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Now with this team and the need that they need of immediately having starters available and sometimes those older guys are.

[Aisha Morrison]

Going to do that and not having a second or a third, not having.

[Kyle Yeomans]

A second or a third round pick. All right, let's take our first break. When we come back, we've got some Twitter on the 20 and then later in the show, I've got some either or some hypotheticals for you guys that we haven't hit quite yet on the draft show. We'll talk about it in a minute. More of the draft show right after this. Life is a workout and Smoothie King is here to help you power through. Whether you're maxing out overhead presses, pushing through chest flies, or being the hero your golden retriever needs to carry them over that scary bridge, Smoothie King has the fuel to help you go all out, build muscle and boost your recovery. With 45 grams of protein, 0 grams of of added sugar, and delicious customizable ingredients in the gladiator smoothie, available in chocolate, strawberry and vanilla only. At Smoothie King, I'm Dak Prescott, quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.

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[Aisha Morrison]

40 is the best in Texas.

[Vashon Lombardi]

There you go.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You hit that pretty good actually thinking.

[Aisha Morrison]

About it every time you say and how about this?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've been thinking about this since Tuesday. Let's get into some Twitter on the 20.

[Vashon Lombardi]

There you go.

[Aisha Morrison]

I got you woolchuck.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, Matt wants to know do you change whether you're a floor or ceiling guy depending on the status of your current roster makeup? We just had a Conversation kind of like that question with what the Cowboys are trying to do. They need immediate impact, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Do you change whether you evaluate as a floor guy or a ceiling guy? Aisha, I'll start with you.

[Aisha Morrison]

I would say that guy or girl. It's okay. I did. No offense. I. I've never been a. I've not been a person. I'm typically ceiling person. So don't get mad at me because I know that you floor person. But as a person, seeing I'm a ceiling person, I think it depends on me, too. I feel like it depends on, like, we, like, VOX just talked about. Dallas ain't got time for that. Dallas ain't got time to be okay. And that's Cause that's kind of been their issue as of late, is that they draft guys and they're so focused on drafting and developing that the time in which it takes for these guys to get there is. You got other stuff you trying to do. So I would say that it is situational for me, and I'm sure every team is different, but as far as the scouting goes, I want a guy. Most people want a guy that can come help. Now, you only reserve some of the developmental things for. Like, there's certain things, like, even a guy's really talented, he probably has some small developmental things. You leave room for the big developments. Like the gentleman you were talking about, the offensive lineman that you're talking about that you think is going to be a udfa.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Isaiah.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, Isaiah World.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah, World.

[Aisha Morrison]

So he's. He's a fully, like, development guy. That's when you can start thinking about, I guess, like, ceiling stuff like that. But like, in Dallas's case, baby, they better be on that flow. So that's my. That's my. That's my thought on it. What is yours?

[Vashon Lombardi]

Just to be clear, everybody at this table, like, we want both. Like, we want a high floor and a dude with a high ceiling. You know what I'm saying?

[Aisha Morrison]

Like.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Like tj. I say tj Tyler Booker's good right now. He's gonna be even better later. You know what I'm saying? But if we have to pick an either or. I started just thinking about it, I was like, man, you've been in school. You've been in the University of Texas for four years. Why you ain't learned how to stack and shed people? You been playing at Georgia for four years, dog. You haven't learned how to use your hands yet. All that goes into it with me, you know?

[Aisha Morrison]

What?

[Vashon Lombardi]

I mean, why haven't you got bigger over this amount of time with the nice weight room?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Best weight rooms, best facilities you've ever seen.

[Vashon Lombardi]

That's my big thing. So I. If you have a five year deal on a first round player, four years for everybody else, how many of those years do I have to dedicate to teaching you something? You know what I'm saying? And then that's also gonna pair with, man, how much I gotta teach you. So let's go back to Mikel Williams, right? That was my big issue last year. I like Mikel Williams a whole bunch last year. I ain't wanna take him at 12. Cause I felt like at 12, man, I can get a dude like Walter Nolan from Ole Miss that was ready right then. And then Walton Nolan got some more room to run. So if I had to pick one, give me the dude that knows the nuances right now, that knows how to, you know, oh, if nobody's blocking me, a puller is coming. Let me go thump the puller as opposed to, I'm just gonna run up field and just run around in a circle all day. Like there's room for those. There's day three guys, we call them traits guys for that, you know what I'm saying? But we talking about premium picks. I want the dude that knows ball right now.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's part of what makes a first round pick. A first round pick is low risk, high reward at the same time. And that's where you at. Guys like a Keldrick Falk, who I think is a great example. I think he does have a high floor. But is his ceiling as high as some of these other edge rushers?

[Aisha Morrison]

Because he seems so kind of ready made.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yes, right now, Kel.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Ready right now. He just can't pass rush. Exactly. Which is different.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But that's where the floor is, right. He's going to come in and play initially, but in order to have a high ceiling, he's going to have to pass rush.

[Vashon Lombardi]

That's why he's not a fourth round pick to me. Go ahead.

[Aisha Morrison]

Well, that's what, that's what we. What you were basically saying is in regards to, like, why haven't you. Why do you have the best weight rooms? You haven't put on weight. Why are you still struggling to stack and shed and you've been at the University of Texas for however many years. That's why the context is so important and that's why it's our job to go seek out what it is that affected the player. It was Our job to go seek out the context on the Marian overshone. Because you see this player that seems like a star, but when you go start looking at Texas coaching changes, he moved from safety to linebacker. That's context that you need to be able to say, what is this guy's floor? You can't just say what his floor is. You need to go find out what the hell this floor is. That's why you have to figure out, you know, the interviews, the coaching, the scheme and all that stuff.

[Kyle Yeomans]

You know, that's what these guys are paid to do. They're paid to find the floor. But then the ceiling is what everybody's guessing on. Track everybody is guessing on. Even when I look at it here. Sorry to interrupt, but when I'm looking at my grades and I'm putting first round grades, I have it sitting here in my chart. The first round grade is anybody that's a transcendent star, somebody that's going to be the best player in the league to a risk but an extremely high upside. And I think I'm thinking like 25% risk. That's all I'm thinking there. Yeah, but then you've got a second round pick who's probably a 50, 50 day one starter or a guy that's going to be a high level developmental guy that can be a longtime starter in the league. Third round pick, it's a little bit less. It's more like a 25% chance potential day one starter. That's how I stack a lot of these grades in what I'm doing fourth round and on is either future starter, a backup developmental type of guy. Then you're getting into the sixth round, that's special teams, that's traits, seventh round practice squad type of guys. And then of course you've got your camp bodies as the undrafted free agents who all have upside as well. So I stack it thinking about all of this stuff whenever I'm watching a certain prospect. But like you said, the scouts are trying to find the floor and be certain about a floor where a lot of media scouts are looking for up in ceiling options and things like that. Because the context just isn't there as much. Even us in the building and what we have here, we are so blessed to be able to have even a part of what the scouts in these teams get to look at because we at least get to have the conversations with the guys, get to interview these players, get to know them as people, get to know them as men. And then you turn around and it's even a Fraction of what they're doing in the meetings and the combine and the 30 day visits and all of these things, we just get a portion of that. And that's the only thing that sets us apart from everybody else who's trying to just see what the ceiling is for a lot of these players.

[Vashon Lombardi]

One example I thought about, we was talking off air. We was talking about floor and ceiling again. One player that I have an issue with every single year is the run past you, wide receiver. You know what I'm saying? I'm not good with the run past you, wide receiver.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Some of them are great.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Hyatt, Jalen Ragers, like those type of guys. To where all my production is running past people. Those are your ceiling guys. And you see coaches try. All right, man, you got the speed, man. I could just teach you how to run routes and we'll be good. But, man, Tyreek Hill, but boy, those guys don't always learn how to run routes. As opposed to the Hunter Renfro cats that can run routes all day, but he ain't fast. He run routes. He do all the little secret nuancey stuff real good. Those dudes have, like, careers and stuff like that. So I'm always gonna go for the. For the nuancey guys, for the technician guys.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Great question, Matt. I think it's really cool just to kind of see, like, how it all works in that. That regard and how it does change from one person to the next because everybody's a little bit different.

[Vashon Lombardi]

All right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But if the Cowboys, or excuse me, Cole wants to know, what are some of the players that could fall and go late that you would consider a steal in the draft? You mentioned that with Keldrick Falk earlier. Is there anybody else that's being rumored up front in terms of the NFL draft? Scouts and turning around and maybe falling a little bit. That would be a steal.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Team suck at drafting Kyle.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yep.

[Vashon Lombardi]

So they're going to look at Caleb Downs and be like, you. You play safety.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I love how you're putting this into the.

[Aisha Morrison]

No, no. I definitely think, like, people are going to do what they have done despite the fact that we see how important safety has been to most. Some of the most important defenses and they're going to devalue safety. Are we betting on it? We crossing our fingers?

[Vashon Lombardi]

I'm not allowed to bet, but.

[Aisha Morrison]

Oh, yeah, we can't do the bet.

[Kyle Yeomans]

None of us are.

[Vashon Lombardi]

But it happens every single year, though. This highly touted last year was Malachi Starks, right? Yeah. Oh, Malachi Starks. Can Play, man. And for whatever reason he just falls into his obscure, not obscure, but late into the draft later than we thought he was gonna go. And I'm like man, look, take these value. Don't bother me in that way. Another thing that's gonna happen for some reason cornerbacks just be falling. Mansoor Delane may be 5:11 by the time the process is over. Teams love six foot corners but it's somebody five'11 corner that'll just turn a team off. He might fall further than we think. Ruben Bane is short. He, he could fall further than we think. Teams ain't good at this.

[Aisha Morrison]

So can I ask a question?

[Vashon Lombardi]

Four for four.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think people are really high on like a Peter Woods. I think he could fall.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think people expecting, I don't know. I don't expect a defensive tackle to go in the first round out of.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Clemson by the way.

[Aisha Morrison]

Out of Clemson Barnacles. Peter woods, defensive interior player from Clemson. I'm sorry, I do I. That's somebody that I believe is going to fall. Yeah, I think he's going for all just because. Why do you think that I think that. Well, number one, I think the tape is good. I think that when you look at that Clemson team as a whole, they have some good pieces on there. But when you start getting into again some of the detail and the usage and stuff, I, I just don't, I didn't see a first round player, he's.

[Vashon Lombardi]

A two on my board.

[Aisha Morrison]

I didn't see a first round player. I ain't trying to take nobody off. I'm just saying.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, I think you're actually in a, in a spot that most people would back you up. But I'm, I'm laughing because I know if these guys weren't at the Super Bowl, Nick Harris and Tommy Yarish senior bow at the super bowl, at the super bowl now. But if they weren't at the super bowl currently they would, they would fight you on that a little bit because they think these Clemson guys could play.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think they could do. I think some of them can really play. But defensive tackle with all these other name like all these other players we talked about, like I think some people think that he's going to go in like the top 20, top 25, which is possible, which the talent is there. But I, I, you asked who I thought could fall. He's one of those guys. To me I think he could fall.

[Vashon Lombardi]

And look, you ain't wrong. I like Peter woods too. I just don't have a pick in the 30s to take him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's kind of right where I would take him. It's like 25 to 35.

[Aisha Morrison]

So Kayla Banks is number one, the number one DT in this class.

[Vashon Lombardi]

So we could have a conversation about Kayla Banks that we just had. As far as floor and ceiling. He don't know how to play football. He's strong though.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Ceiling.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He athletic and he didn't play none or much this year. He may have played like a couple of snaps this year. So it's all like last year's film. Caleb Banks don't know how to play football.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have Peter, by the way. I have Peter woods.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Higher.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I got three people higher than Caleb Banks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who are those guys?

[Vashon Lombardi]

Peter woods, tackle from Clemson. He's probably gonna be like a three tech or something. Yep. Kaden McDonald from Ohio State, he's gonna be. He's gonna be a one take more than like he know all the football stuff.

[Aisha Morrison]

What.

[Vashon Lombardi]

And Miller, I got Miller. Miller from Georgia, he's gonna be like a three take to me. In my personal opinion. I got him ranked over. Over Banks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I have Banks above Miller, but I could interchange those at some point whenever I get closer.

[Aisha Morrison]

Where do you have Lee Hunter, especially.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right behind all those guys?

[Vashon Lombardi]

I got him at the top of the third right behind Banks. Tracking that and I might switch it. The only thing that kind of separates him is I think Woods, McDonald, Miller and Banks have really good athleticism for their size. Hunter is like more motor guy to me. You see what I'm saying? So his I'm active as a one tech guy is more like motor and effort and that kind of separates him from somebody like Kaden McDonald that I think for a. He can really move. Like he can really run around. Banks can run around. But I may switch Banks and Hunter because Banks don't know how to play.

[Kyle Yeomans]

D line and Hunter showed plenty of pass rushing ability and things of that sort in Mobile.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Now I don't know what that's going to look like when he starts playing versus good offensive lineman. So that's one thing. And that ain't no. No knock to nobody.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Kind of sounded like a knock to some people in Mobile.

[Aisha Morrison]

Well, I'm not taking part.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Just go and save your chest.

[Aisha Morrison]

Listen, I'm just a guest in this house. I don't know. But I will say one thing that I. The one thing that I did notice about Peter was though that I wanted to ask you gentlemen about. I felt like his power comes more from the upper half than the lower. And I don't know if that's something that's sustained, sustainable. I thought that his body control could, like, could gain some. Could be better.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I'll add another level.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm not trying to. I ain't trying to fight. I'm just trying to ask.

[Vashon Lombardi]

No, no, this way. I don't think you're wrong. It's actually in my notes. I think he got real strong calves. I don't think his thigh is all that strong. Cause he doesn't. He knows how to not go backwards, but he doesn't know how to push people backwards. I don't see him get a lot of penetration. On the same token, I don't see him getting driven backwards a bunch. So he does have an ability to anchor a little bit, to not get whooped off the football. But he's supposed to be athlete guy that gets upfield a little. Well.

[Aisha Morrison]

Cause he uses that hump move, tries to avoid blockers. But he can stack and shed.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He can stack. He can definitely do that. I just don't see him whooping people in his direction neither. You know what I'm saying? So. Or maybe I got that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All these notes.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Strong with his caffeine.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All these notes that y' all are talking about here with Peter woods is almost exactly what I had for Mozzie coming out.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Huh?

[Aisha Morrison]

What'd you say?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Similar. I mean, upper body strength, incredible lower body strength, room to improve, room to develop. Has a couple things that he can do with his hands, but he doesn't push people backwards.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Sure.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All these things were on my scouting report for Mozzie.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I think that'll be. That'll be flip for woods, though, because I think he can.

[Aisha Morrison]

I see the power in his wrist.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Sure, sure.

[Aisha Morrison]

I see the pop in his wrist when he initiates. Like, when he initiates.

[Kyle Yeomans]

No, no, no.

[Vashon Lombardi]

But the drive.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Mazzy had upper body strength.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Woods does, too. Woods has plenty of upper body strength.

[Vashon Lombardi]

M can bench press, man. Looking back on it was we. Was we feel strong. Was we. Absolutely.

[Aisha Morrison]

He has. And that's what I'm saying with Peter is like, when I see.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Plus, he just didn't love football, so.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah, that's the problem.

[Aisha Morrison]

Just like he didn't.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I'm sick of wise. He don't work here no more.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's true.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I don't like football. I like to hurt people.

[Aisha Morrison]

Where does he work now?

[Vashon Lombardi]

He would have just.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Is he still there? Did they cut him yet?

[Vashon Lombardi]

Well, that's time for Google. Go ahead, Kyrie.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Right. I got you.

[Aisha Morrison]

It's all right. Okay. Peter Woods From Clemson.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I got to find out who the hell my Smith worked for.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think he's still in New York. Danny wants to know the Cowboys were to trade up to the 12th spot. Who is the player that you would trade up for and why?

[Vashon Lombardi]

We Trade up to 12?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Trade up from the 12th spot.

[Aisha Morrison]

Oh, trade up.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I think it's a handle peaks.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, there's. There's not a whole lot you can do there. But, but where would you go? Who would you go get if that's the case?

[Aisha Morrison]

Didn't we say we was going to take somebody and hold them for ransom?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, yeah. You were saying you were trying to get Ty Simpson. Right?

[Aisha Morrison]

We just hold somebody hostage.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Oh, yeah. If they was coming. If they. If Ty Simpson then was coming up for 20. Yeah, but like, I guess you talking about like trade up for RV Reese.

[Aisha Morrison]

Or something or like a Sunny Styles.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who would you go get?

[Aisha Morrison]

Would you go get a Sonny Styles if you could trade up?

[Vashon Lombardi]

I think Sonny will get to me.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I think so too.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I think.

[Aisha Morrison]

You think he's going to fall that far?

[Vashon Lombardi]

Team suck, I think. I think, I think Sonny. I think Caleb.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I don't think downs will.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Caleb shouldn't. Cal may go 11 for our look.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Daniel, Jeremiah had him at 11 this morning.

[Aisha Morrison]

Now why would he do that?

[Vashon Lombardi]

But I think, I think downs will get it. I mean, I think downs could gets it, but I think so.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's at 10 there and I don't know, I can't read that name of whoever.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Kenya Sediq at 11 and Sonny Styles at 12.

[Kyle Yeomans]

See, Sonny Styles can make it there.

[Aisha Morrison]

And that says Monsoon goes to la. Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Goes to the Rams. All right, when we come back here on the draft show, we've got some either ors, a couple hypotheticals to sort through, see which ones we like better when we come back with more of the draft show right after this.

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[Vashon Lombardi]

All.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm gonna start with this is from Richmond. His name on Twitter or X is actually wannabe draft scout.

[Vashon Lombardi]

So rich.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So here you go. I like it. He did submit this. This is a Cowboys specific question that we're gonna get into. Scouting report either ors.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Okay.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Would you rather pay George Pickens the $30 million a year that he's possibly going to be used for? Draft Sonny Styles at 12 and the biggest and best edge on the board at 20. So you got Styles, you got the best draft, draft edge on the board at 20 and you get Pickens back again for a second year. Or would you like to pay some of these free agents that are available? Of course, these are all reported free agents. Nobody specific. But go and get some big time names that are out there at about 10 to 11 million dollars each. He listed three names. I'm not going to say the names because tampering, but with those three names, 10 to $11 million each. Or you could draft Makai Lemon at 12 and the best edge at 20. So you get a wide receiver at 12 and an edge at 20. Which one would you rather go for?

[Aisha Morrison]

The first one.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I don't want to mess with my offense at all. Facts. I want to keep my offense the way it is and look, that can look like Pickens for one more year, Pickens for three. I don't know, we'll see. I don't want to change that at all. And I just want to build the defense. I don't want a whole bunch of moving parts and having to refigure out what wide receiver looks like. And Pickens makes everybody's life easier. Pickens will make CDs life easier. There are games where Flo got a hundred yards. It's. Cause, hey, something else happened over here, you know what I'm saying? So I want to continue to put stress on defenses, especially in this era where it seems like defenses are just tougher, you know what I'm saying? I just want to have the bodies to be able to deal with that.

[Aisha Morrison]

You need to be able to do that. Especially with, I mean, we've seen what Christian Parker is doing. I think the defense is going to improve. It's still going to take a little bit of time. Still going to be. Even if you get the amount of talent that you're looking for in those things, it's going to be some buffering time. I don't want to change this offense. I want them to come out and, and hit the ground running. So I'm gonna go with the first option and you get Sonny Styles. Sign me.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Up to your point, I think it's beneficial that you have this buffer for your young defensive coaches that. All right, that got us on this side. Like if this coaching staff was coaching the Eagles and they gotta carry the Eagles offense, it probably wouldn't work out as well. But you know, we get to walk into every game like, hey, man, Fulton about to put up 25 to 40 points. Dog just Be better than flutes. You know what I'm saying?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Especially if the defense gets you the football back more than they did.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's the thing that stands out about the Dallas offense this past year is like, man, when you really go looking at. Start looking at it. Their starting field position, awful. No turnovers. And the fact that that offense was able to be that effective. Yeah, my God, I wouldn't change it.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All you need is a possession or two, a game to be better than.

[Aisha Morrison]

What you did last year is my camera. Hey, I don't know if Micah's watching, but if he want to fight or something, we can fight. Did you see that CD talking about.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Him trying to recruit?

[Aisha Morrison]

Not you got. Can he get in trouble for tampering?

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, I hope so.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. Somebody he needs. Somebody needs to slip him a letter. He out of pocket.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'll take an extra. Green Bay first.

[Aisha Morrison]

Stop trying to take our people with that.

[Vashon Lombardi]

What I would really hope is that. And look, G.P. get your money. Get as much as you can. But I want him to be like, my life changed when I met Dak Prescott.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think he feel like that. He feel that way.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He's played with some nonsense his whole life.

[Aisha Morrison]

He love him some Dak Prescott.

[Kyle Yeomans]

He's like, this isn't Mason Rudolph anymore.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He's in this conversation because of four. So why would you test the market and end up with like. Like Brian Hoyer? So whoever the hell should do Sanders or something. You want your Sanders to order your ball with 40 million or you want Dak throwing you the ball with 35? Come on, man. And shouts out to Shador, man, but that he ain't that man.

[Aisha Morrison]

Of course not.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right. And since each of those scenarios painted a picture that the Cowboys would be drafting an edge rusher at 20. So got a couple names for you either or. Who would you rather in these situations? At edge rusher at 20.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

LT Overton out of Alabama.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Well, he's a. He's a fourth round.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, now I'll take that one away. I like him more than you do. All right.

[Vashon Lombardi]

D.J.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Parker, Clemson.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He's the second round guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Jesus Christ.

[Vashon Lombardi]

All right, it's 20.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Who are your. Who are your first round possible 20 edges?

[Vashon Lombardi]

My. So guys that I think that are going to be.

[Kyle Yeomans]

T.J. parker is going to be in.

[Vashon Lombardi]

That conversation for some people. Mind you, I got. I got for some people. Who. Who is.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Who are the people that they're not.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Vosh don't think TJ Parker is the first round. What Vash think TJ Parker is the second round. He had a really good Senior bowl, but I got a lot of film that I watched on him. I think he's a second round player. Interesting. I think he's a second round even.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Not early second round. You're talking like 40s second round or you talking like early 30s?

[Vashon Lombardi]

I gotta remember. So these are the names in front of him. Bane, Bailey, Howe, Mezador, Height, Thomas and folk.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay, see, I have Mezador higher. I have height below him. Who was the other one you had?

[Vashon Lombardi]

You said R.M. thomas, Kelj.

[Aisha Morrison]

I have high balloon.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Okay. R.M. thomas is a good one. Let's do that then. How about David Bailey and R. Mason Thomas right there.

[Vashon Lombardi]

David Bailey or R. Mason Thomas?

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm assuming you have bailey higher at 20. I know, I'm now.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm now Mason Thomas.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Your list and my list are.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I love our Mason Thomas, but if Bailey's available at 20, I'm going to jail.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, that's probably true.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, it's probably going to be Bailey and especially with our Mason Thomas coming off of injury and things.

[Kyle Yeomans]

How about armies and Thomas or Romella Height? Let's do that.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I got height over Thomas. I think height has. Has a little more pass rush upside. I think time is ready right now. But you know, height. Add his lengthen, his athleticism in there. I think he got some. Some pretty good nuance too. Plus there's a little bit more that's probably going to happen on the back end with him. I like height a little more the times.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Where do you have Cash's? How. Texas A and M. I got Cash.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Cash. How is my third edge? He's at the top of my second. He might go 15th overall.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, he's my third. Maybe four depending on.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Okay.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

So do you have Hal or. Okay, you said Bane, Bailey. Where and how would be your third?

[Vashon Lombardi]

How is my third also interesting? Well, how was my third? I don't know if he's her third.

[Aisha Morrison]

Is that your third? How's your third?

[Vashon Lombardi]

How is my third? Bane, Bailey. How.

[Aisha Morrison]

Let me go. Look, I think that I'm. I'm on the fence about. I'm on the fence about a few guys in that area. Like you said. You. Where you put Falk at again?

[Vashon Lombardi]

You. Falk is in my. He's. He's in the bottom of my twos.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. So I have Bane, I have Bailey.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I have.

[Aisha Morrison]

This going to make you mad. Okay. I have how? I have.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Have.

[Aisha Morrison]

How. Okay, so yeah, those are my top three.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

To start and then after that Then we get into.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm still shocked that y'.

[Vashon Lombardi]

All.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I'm higher on TJ Park.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I love TJ Parker. I just ain't got a pick. I don't have a pick in the 40s to. To. To take him, but I love. So look, I would take him at 20. So how about this? Vice says this. This goes back to. To.

[Aisha Morrison]

What's your issue with him? What did you see that is causing you to make him fall?

[Vashon Lombardi]

T, I'm so glad you asked. I. I don't think. I don't. And look, I think. I think he has all the. All the tools to do it. I don't think he knows how to. How to play football just yet. He doesn't have a plan on. On both sides. I think he plays the game with his eyes closed. Not literally, but it feels that way. I think when he's in some of these running situations, he doesn't understand all the time that if somebody's not blocking me, I need to feel space and thump puller. Or if I'm being down blocked, I need to cross face. Or I just need to not run down the middle of somebody. Right? These are things that could be coached. But, dawg, you've been in Clemson's for a long time. You still run down the middle of people. He has this famous long arm that's even more famous cause of the Senior Bowl. But does he have a counter off of that? I don't mind TJ Parker, but Thomas height, Messador especially high. They got counters to their pass rush move.

[Kyle Yeomans]

And I don't disagree there.

[Vashon Lombardi]

You understand what I'm saying? So what T.J. parker is right now, he's a dude that I think is built to have a bunch of advantages in the run game early. Still, in the NFL, they're gonna have challenges for you where you gotta think a little bit. You know what I'm saying? There are teams that'll just let you run free and trap you or count or pull and thump you. Right. I just want him to be a little more aware there. Or if, like, somebody's getting the best of you. Let me tell you this about Mezzidor. You can watch Mezidor, and you can be like, man, Mezador's setting this dude up for something. Yeah, he'll do something in the. He's working. He'll do something in the first quarter, and he'll pay it off for you in the third. Yep, that's what I like. That's what I like. Or you'll watch Ruben Bane or Something. This is just an example. We not gonna get the Bane. Watch the Notre Dame game from Bane.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, Bane's not getting the damn.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Bane's been setting you up all day. Oh, the game's on the line. I've gathered information and now the game's on the line. I got something that I've been planning to hit you with. TJ park gonna run down the middle of you all four. He's stronger than a lot of people that he goes against, so he's gonna whoop some people. But just like I said with Don Vanezzarocco, you could be a 16 sack guy in the league, but your first game is against Jordan Mailata. I wish TJ Parker would just try to long arm Jordan Mailata for four quarters.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's his hands.

[Vashon Lombardi]

So I knock a lot of people for that. But I'm floor guy. Y' all could be like, man, if I could teach TJ Parker some moves. He is. He is quick for his size. That length is crazy. His natural strength is. He does have knee bend to be that tall. He has some good, some good fight aggression to him.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I think his get off is fine. I think he's quick off the line. I think he reads in the backfield great.

[Vashon Lombardi]

All that's good.

[Aisha Morrison]

He's a natural. But the leverage and the hands and to your point, the counters and stuff like that and being more disruptive as a pass rusher is something. I mean, when I was watching him, what did you guys. I don't know if you watched the draft tape on Bradley Chubb when he first started, but he has a lot of that similar build. He has the tools. But to your point, it's the coaching it up. Now, I do have a question before we go. What's happening with defensive end right now?

[Vashon Lombardi]

What the hell is happening with Cowboys in general?

[Aisha Morrison]

I just feel like I'm listening to you and you're talking about floor and what I learned was, oh, I know we gotta go, but I just, I thought that we learned that, you know, guys at these positions take time.

[Vashon Lombardi]

They do.

[Aisha Morrison]

It don't sound like you wanna take no time. I think it sound like you wanna microwave.

[Vashon Lombardi]

I think in general, if your rookies have to start, then you have a def. Efficiency in some place. You know what I'm saying? So even if the Cowboys go out and have a ridiculous free agency and they trade for some disgruntled pass rushing in some state somewhere, I'd still draft an edge rusher to be like, all right, mellow height's my fifth guy.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah, develop.

[Vashon Lombardi]

You know what I'm saying? Mellow height's my fifth guy. Because you still need rushes in waves.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It's like Donovan Aziraku, like everybody coming out of the draft. He was one of the more technically sound and impressive edge rushers in all of the draft class last year.

[Aisha Morrison]

And he got.

[Kyle Yeomans]

It still takes some time.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He was going to be our third passerman.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Still take some time.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah, he was supposed to be.

[Aisha Morrison]

He was going to be our third passer.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He was supposed to be our third passer. Absolutely. He got pushed into the. You know what I mean? He became a hell of a run defender. Yeah, he did.

[Aisha Morrison]

And T.J. is. Parker needs to be. T.J. parker is somebody's third pass rush.

[Vashon Lombardi]

He needs to be somebody's third. But some. But if somebody drafts, I think he could be perfect. But if somebody drafts T.J. parker, it's like, all right, T.J. parker start for us. Good. Be fine. I'm sure he would. Just don't run down the middle of Jordan. My lot. He'd be all right.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Nobody could run down the middle of Jordan.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Miley Hibiari versus them. Them. Them Giants tackles, you know what I'm saying? Or some of the cats in Washington.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But, man, he looked good in training camp against these tackles.

[Vashon Lombardi]

But I'm trying to win a Super bowl, though. And when we get to the super bowl, you can't run down the middle of them cats.

[Kyle Yeomans]

I've got. I've got Bane, Bailey, Hal Parker, Armason Thomas, Mesadores right there. Those are my guys. And then Falk.

[Vashon Lombardi]

And plus, we just. That's just nitpicking, for real.

[Kyle Yeomans]

That's where we're. That's what we're getting to. We're nitpicking. I just wanted to put that out there because I know we were kind of maneuvering some names there for a little bit.

[Vashon Lombardi]

But one last thing, too. The Cowboys, I think they may be interested in like a standing rusher as opposed to like a big hand down, dude.

[Kyle Yeomans]

But that's a conversation.

[Vashon Lombardi]

But we can do that next Tuesday.

[Aisha Morrison]

Start talking about that.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Yeah. Aisha, thanks so much for taking some time this week.

[Aisha Morrison]

That's great.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Coming.

[Vashon Lombardi]

You're a legend.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Hopping in. Yes, absolutely. Appreciate you as always. Where can they follow you on social?

[Aisha Morrison]

Oh, yeah. Find me on the Twitter. Aishamorson. And yeah, that's about it. I don't really do the social medias that much.

[Kyle Yeomans]

Oh, you're on there all the time.

[Aisha Morrison]

It's not my. The Twitter machine.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Machine. There it is.

[Aisha Morrison]

But the other stuff, the Twitter machine. But the other stuff on Facebook, I don't like.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Aisha Morrison]

I don't like social media.

[Vashon Lombardi]

Yeah.

[Kyle Yeomans]

All right, that does it for us. For Aisha Morrison, for Fox Lombardi, for Chris Beam in the back, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. We'll see you next week with more of the draft show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

[Vashon Lombardi]

How about this Cowboys Sam.