The Duncan & Coe History Show: Episode Summary – "FDR v. Lindbergh"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Duncan & Coe History Show
• Host/Author: Duncan & Coe
• Episode: FDR v. Lindbergh
• Release Date: December 12, 2024

Introduction

In the inaugural episode of season zero, hosts Mike Duncan and Alexis Coe delve into the intricate dynamics between President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) and Charles Lindbergh, exploring how Lindbergh became a significant obstacle to FDR's efforts to steer America towards involvement in World War II. Drawing from Paul Sparrow's book, "Awakening the Spirit of FDR's War of Words with Charles Lindbergh and the Battle to Save Democracy," the hosts unpack the lesser-known facets of Lindbergh's influence and FDR's strategic responses.

Charles Lindbergh: Beyond the Aviator

Background and Rise to Fame

Charles Lindbergh, renowned for his solo nonstop flight from New York to Paris, was not just an aviation pioneer but also a prominent isolationist figure. Despite his father's obscurity—a failed senator promoting American neutrality—Lindbergh emerged as a national hero. Duncan and Coe highlight how Lindbergh leveraged his fame to champion isolationism, becoming an influential voice against American intervention in WWII.

Lindbergh’s Ideological Stance

Lindbergh's isolationism was intertwined with deep-seated anti-Semitism and pro-Nazi sympathies. Duncan emphasizes that Lindbergh became a "bristling thorn in FDR’s side," using his platform to sway public opinion against intervention. As Alexis Coe notes, Lindbergh's influence was comparable to contemporary political figures, impacting millions through his radio broadcasts.

Alexis Coe [03:30]: "He became this bristling thorn in FDR’s side. And so I suggested you read Paul Sparrow's book."

FDR's Challenge: Shifting American Sentiment

America's Isolationist Mood

Emerging from the devastation of the Great Depression, America was rife with isolationist sentiment. With a weakened military—ranked 18th globally—and a populace wary of another foreign conflict, FDR faced immense challenges in rallying support for intervention.

FDR’s Strategic Communication

To counter isolationism, FDR employed his renowned fireside chats, aiming to gradually shift public and congressional opinion toward supporting intervention. Duncan remarks on FDR's adept use of language and media to fortify America's resolve:

Charles Sparrow [05:41]: "FDR spent that time slowly moving American public opinion from opposing intervention to supporting intervention and starting to build up our military."

The Lindbergh Factor: Media and Propaganda

Manipulation and Influence

Lindbergh capitalized on his aviation fame and media connections to propagate isolationist and anti-Semitic narratives. Duncan highlights how influential figures like William Randolph Hearst and Joseph P. Kennedy supported Lindbergh’s agenda, effectively using media to spread misinformation:

Alexis Coe [13:42]: "Lindbergh became very good friends with the American ambassador to England... And Kennedy parrots everything that Lindbergh tells him back to FDR."

Controversial Stances and Backlash

Lindbergh's speeches, particularly his 1941 address in Des Moines, incited widespread condemnation due to their anti-Semitic content. Despite substantial backlash, including criticism from his wife and media, Lindbergh remained steadfast, further marginalizing the isolationist cause.

Charles Sparrow [15:07]: "It ignited, I would say, widespread condemnation. So the media, politicians, even his wife Anne, voiced concerns about this."

The Turning Point: From Isolation to Engagement

Pearl Harbor and Shift in Public Opinion

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, marked a definitive end to isolationism. Post-attack, Lindbergh’s influence waned as America unified in response to the aggression. Duncan underscores this pivotal moment as a catalyst for America’s full-scale involvement in WWII.

Mike Duncan [31:57]: "That was the date that everything changed."

Lindbergh’s Declining Influence

Despite his efforts, Lindbergh's reputation suffered irreparable damage. Even after attempting to contribute to the war effort, his earlier anti-Semitic remarks and Nazi sympathies overshadowed his achievements, leading to a complex legacy.

Alexis Coe [35:55]: "So even if Pearl Harbor hadn't happened, I don't know if he would have continued on that path."

Legacy and Modern Parallels

FDR’s Imperial Presidency

The hosts discuss FDR's consolidation of power, contrasting it with modern political shifts. FDR's expansion aimed at unifying and empowering the presidency to address national crises, laying groundwork for the modern executive role.

Alexis Coe [29:41]: "FDR understood that he could not be successful unless he created an international alliance."

Contemporary Reflections

Drawing parallels to today's political landscape, Duncan and Coe reflect on how Lindbergh's manipulation of public opinion via media mirrors current trends. The resurgence of isolationist rhetoric in modern politics serves as a reminder of the enduring struggle between interventionist and isolationist forces.

Alexis Coe [19:15]: "So he's coming off a little bit like Trump before he ran for president."

Conclusion: Lessons from History

The episode concludes with reflections on the importance of leadership and public belief in democratic systems. FDR’s unwavering confidence in America’s ability to overcome adversity and Lindbergh’s detrimental influence underscore the fragile balance between national policy and individual advocacy.

Alexis Coe [36:38]: "We have to believe in the American system, that this pendulum which swings back and forth will swing back and the American system will survive."

Duncan and Coe advocate for engaging with Paul Sparrow's work to gain a deeper understanding of this critical historical juncture, emphasizing its relevance to contemporary political and social challenges.

Alexis Coe [38:44]: "Everyone should pick up a copy of Awakening the Spirit of America, the FDR's war of words with Charles Lindbergh and the Battle to Save Democracy."

Recommended Reading

• "Awakening the Spirit of America: FDR's War of Words with Charles Lindbergh and the Battle to Save Democracy" by Paul Sparrow
• "Joseph P. Kennedy: Papa Joe and His Times" by David Nassau

This detailed exploration by Duncan and Coe offers listeners a nuanced perspective on the intricate interplay between FDR and Lindbergh, highlighting the broader implications for American democracy and leadership during tumultuous times.