118.) World Cup Kickoff + Karmelo Anthony Case (6/11/26)

Summary

The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show – Episode 118: World Cup Kickoff + Karmelo Anthony Case

Date: June 11, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg dive into the excitement surrounding both the NBA playoffs (specifically the Knicks' performance), the upcoming World Cup kickoff, and thoroughly examine the controversial Karmelo Anthony case from Texas—a high school stabbing surrounded by claims of self-defense and racial bias in justice. Along the way, they comment on trending topics—Rick Ross's viral airport photo, Kanye West’s legal troubles from a past video shoot, a bizarre Drake fan story, and much more, all delivered with their signature blend of humor, critical analysis, and cultural insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Knicks Playoff Run & NBA Chat (00:11–03:01)

• Celebratory mood after a Knicks win; banter about not caring where the win happens ("Go Knicks. Go New York. Go New York. Go." – Ebro, 00:32).
• Strategy chat: Not wanting to risk a Game 7 in San Antonio, and the psychological dynamics for fans and players.
• Light analysis, emphasizing the Knicks’ resilience:
  “You don’t want to go back to San Antonio. Game seven. You don’t. That we not even discussing that. We gotta wrap this up.” – Ebro (02:28)
  “Knicks… put the ball in the thing more than the other team did, and it resulted in more points.” – Ebro (02:54)

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World Cup Kickoff & US Soccer Ethos (03:01–07:01)

• Excitement about the men’s World Cup and the US team's underdog status.
• Rosenberg voices passion for U.S. men’s soccer, appreciating the community's ethos:

  “It is the only thing I'm truly patriotic about. I truly care about US soccer games—for the women, no, harder for the men… Ethos-wise, I like the kind of people that are into the soccer thing in America.” – Rosenberg (03:33–04:10)

• Brief history lesson: Claudio Reyna’s lineage and the influence of the 1994 World Cup.
• Discussion of why US soccer still lags—best American athletes choosing other sports, soccer's lack of financial incentive, and developmental barriers for kids.
• Ebro shouts out African teams and discusses how more African countries than ever have qualified (06:19).

  “A lot of those guys who end up playing on the big European teams… have gone home to play for their native teams, which is pretty cool.” – Ebro (06:19)

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The Karmelo Anthony Case: Texas High School Stabbing & Race, Justice, and Self-Defense (07:01–26:41)

Case Summary (07:12–09:51)

• Analysis of the Frisco, Texas, high school stabbing: 17-year-old Karmelo Anthony kills Austin Metcalf during a confrontation.
• Defense claims self-defense (Anthony was bullied by larger football player twins), while prosecution claims murder.
• Laura summarizes witness statements:
  • Anthony was sitting in another team's tent during rain.
  • Told to leave, grabs backpack, says “Touch me and see what happens”
  • Metcalf pushes/grabs Anthony—to which Anthony fatally stabs him and flees (08:09).

Reactions, Systemic Issues, and Historical Context (09:51–24:45)

• Hosts skeptically debate proportionality of punishment (35-year sentence), racial bias, lack of benefit of doubt for Black youth, and double standards in self-defense law.
• Comparison to recent “store owner Chow” shooting case in South Carolina, highlighting ongoing patterns of Black children not being given the same legal grace.

  “That’s what people are feeling. The South Carolina case… And then… the twins family had ties to somebody, I don’t know if it was the judge, but it’s all hearsay though. It’s all hearsay.” – Laura (15:54)

• On media portrayals (mugshot vs. “All-American” sports photo):

  "Even the pictures they chose to use… Carmelo Anthony looks like he's in a mug shot, not well… it's all built into the… it's in there. It’s ragu." – Rosenberg (23:32)

• Critique of punishment as closure for the victim’s family:

  "Why is the solution to all these things: 'How badly can we punish the teenager who did it?' I understand the feeling of anger and pain… but like, why is the Metcalf family gonna be better off because Carmelo Anthony gets the book thrown at him…?" – Rosenberg (24:45)

Notable Moment:

• Rosenberg’s personal story about white privilege in the justice system after his brother-in-law’s death, demonstrating systemic disparities regardless of intent (19:47–21:48).

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Trending Topics & Viral Moments

Rick Ross Spotted on Commercial Flight (27:31–33:23)

• The hosts react to viral photos teasing Rick Ross for flying commercial—contradicting his “boss” persona.

  "That's all this is because to me, I'm just like, who cares? You sure you're smart with your money… But once you talk all that and flaunt money… when they catch you just chilling." – Ebro (29:10–29:47)

• Banter about social media, expectations of celebrity excess, and past interactions with Ross.

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Kanye West Lawsuit: 2010 Music Video Allegations (33:42–46:16)

• Review of BBC interview: Model alleges Kanye assaulted her on video set, lawyers claim it was “artistic performance” and she didn’t object at the time.

  “I didn’t know what was going to happen. I was given no direction. I was just told to sit in this chair… He started sticking his fingers in my mouth, and I feel like he was trying to touch as much as he could…” – Model Jennifer Ann (34:03–35:15)

• Discussion over belief, consent, how power dynamics silence accusations, and the practicalities of legal defense after many years.

  “I think it’s more on his team… whoever hired this person is really at fault.” – Laura (43:04)

• Ongoing host debate about “believe women,” nuance, and the complexities of discussing historical sexual assault (esp. Rosenberg, 42:43–47:42).

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Bizarre Drake DM Story (48:26–51:17)

• Analysis of a viral TikTok/IG clip where a woman claims Drake DM’d her and bought her a car.
• Hosts question the authenticity:

  “By the way, those DMs could be 1000% fake.” – Ebro (50:28)

• Commentary on the online clout chase and “algo” (algorithm-driven content) culture.

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Pride at Trump’s White House UFC Event (52:06–54:35)

• Viral social media movement: LGBTQ+ attendees plan to "gay up" Trump’s UFC fight at the White House.
• Hosts delight in the counter-culture spirit but flag potential for conflict. Ebro turns the stereotype around:

  “You saying gay men can’t fight?... That’s what you’re asserting? At a UFC fight? Good luck. I want to see it.” – Ebro (52:41)

• Discussion of lawsuits challenging using federal property for private profit and broader accusations of government corruption (53:26–54:13).

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Personal Anecdotes & Show Banter (55:00–61:04)

• Laura, Ebro, and Rosenberg pass down a “Gucci raincoat” as a family heirloom between their children in a light, affectionate segment.
• Father’s Day giveaways and shoutouts.
• Relatable discussion of household chores—packing away seasonal clothes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the US Soccer Underdog Spirit (04:09)

“Ethos wise, I like the kind of people that are into the soccer thing in America.”
— Rosenberg

The “It’s in the Sauce” of American Justice (24:06)

“It’s ragu. It’s in the sauce. This is America, baby.”
— Ebro

On Proportionality & Justice in the Karmelo Anthony Case (24:45)

“Why is the solution… How badly can we punish the teenager who did it?”
— Rosenberg

On Virality and Fame Culture (29:46)

“Once you talk all that and you flaunt money… When they catch you just chilling… you set the bar.”
— Ebro

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Important Timestamps

• 00:11–03:01: Knicks reactions; playoff anxiety.
• 03:01–07:01: World Cup preview; US soccer deep-dive.
• 07:01–26:41: Carmelo Anthony murder trial: facts, racism, punishment, and systemic injustice.
• 27:31–33:23: Rick Ross viral photo; social expectations of celebrities.
• 33:42–46:16: Kanye West 2010 music video assault allegations.
• 48:26–51:17: Viral Drake DM/used Corvette story.
• 52:06–54:35: Pride event at Trump’s UFC White House fight.
• 55:00–61:04: Personal/family stories, Father's Day, giveaways.

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Tone & Language

The hosts maintain a lively, irreverent, and unfiltered tone—merging serious cultural critiques with humor and camaraderie. Personal stories, honest reactions, and pop culture references drive engagement for both serious and light segments.

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Overview for Non-Listeners

This episode is an excellent snapshot of the ELR Show’s unique blend of timely cultural critique, sports banter, and unscripted honesty. If you missed it, expect in-depth conversation about race and justice in America, analysis of trending stories (and their implications in culture and online life), and the grounding impact of family and music in the hosts' lives. The conversations move quickly, but always circle back to big questions: Who gets justice? What does accountability look like? Who sets the narrative? And, who gets to decide who we are?

If you want grounded, funny, and cutting-edge cultural commentary, this episode's got it all.

Transcript

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Just don't call it a podcast. The Ebro Laura Rosenberg show. Oh, whoops.

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What is wrong with you? Why are you doing that? It's a big Nick. It's a big Nick's win Thursday, bruh.

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It is. Hang on, hang on, hang on. I was charging the iPad. Sorry, sorry.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Go Nicks. Go Nicks. Go Nick. Oh, Lord. You didn't even watch the game.

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It doesn't matter.

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Go New York.

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Go, New York.

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Go. Okay, Laura went to sleep. Nah, listen, man. Got it done.

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Got. Listen, it's. It's. You got the split at home.

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Yep.

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Now you go to San Antonio Saturday night. They're obviously going to be very ready there. It is kind of hard to imagine. San Antonio loses all three games in San Antonio.

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That's tough to imagine. But you also have to go ahead and glass half full and say, Knicks

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took two to take another one.

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Take another one in and let's wrap this thing up.

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But if not, they'll come back next week and try to get it done in Game 6. But either way, they did what needed to be done. The trump mojo or lack thereof has

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been cleared from the building. Thanks to real life cast for, you know, burning the sage. Kazeem.

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The sage has been burned appropriately, and the Knicks are back in biz.

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Listen, if you're one of those Knicks fans, it's like, yo, I need them to go ahead and just bring it back to New York and get the win in New York and wrap this up. No, get the win where you need. I don't give a damn.

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No, no, no. Yeah, don't worry. You can party in New York just fine if they're in.

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Matter of fact, we've been partying in New York just fine without with them winning in San Antonio. So we don't need. And the way they've been acting around the Garden, we're not even gonna be able to have fun around the Garden. And by the way, when I say we, I mean you, because I won't be there. But you feel what I'm saying, correct?

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I'm with you 100%. Do not mess around. Get this thing done. Wrap it up if you can. Because here's the thing about these series that feel over it at 2. 0 or 31 or even 3. 0, all of a sudden San Antonio wins on Saturday and they get it to 3:2. Then when you get to game six

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back in New York, it's a must win.

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If you find yourself down early, the fans start sitting on their hands and getting nervous because they're like, if we lose, it's three. Three. With only one game left back in San Antonio.

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Oh, my gosh.

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So it's, it's.

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You don't want to go back to San Antonio. Game seven. You don't. That we not even discussing that. We gotta wrap this up. Yeah.

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And you. And the thing is, I'm glad they bowed up last night, obviously, the way that, you know, Brunson was getting shoved around a couple of games ago by Wemby. About time they manned up. Didn't let that happen. So shout out to your.

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Well, and the thing that they did the best, and this is what I always like about basket. Go ahead.

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Is I know what you're gonna do.

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Well, no, they put the ball in the thing more than the other team

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did, and it resulted in more points.

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That's right. And they won the game.

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Big sports weekend, though.

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World cup.

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World Cup, US plays Friday night, 9 o'. Clock. And then.

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How's the US team? You pay attention. Pretty close.

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I mean, not, not close enough. Okay.

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I feel like in the past.

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Close enough to know they suck.

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Got it.

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Not close enough to know, like, what the likelihood is that they will be decent. I, I think it's.

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And there's. Wait, they suck or I thought they were like, okay.

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No, no, they're okay. But what I mean is they suck in that. They always suck.

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Got it. But that's what I mean.

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I love them. I, I, it is the only thing I'm truly patriotic about. I, I truly care about us. Soccer games for the women. No, harder for the men.

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You go harder for the men.

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Yes, because the women win. It's the UN it's so rare that America is an underdog. And like in the soccer, women always. The women are awesome. And I like the hockey team, you know, a, they're not nearly as big an underdog. Even though they were an underdog against Canada. They're not a huge underdog. And also, just like, from a. How do I say this? Ethos standpoint. I like the soccer community in America.

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Okay.

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Does that make sense?

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Okay.

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Yeah. Ethos wise. I like the kind of people that are into the soccer thing in America.

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Lord, take note. Take note of ethos wise. How often we got to hear that now?

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Okay, that's the word of the day.

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Because I don't want to make it political.

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Every time he says it, we go like, the word of the day.

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It's a drinking game. Every time Rosenberg says.

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Because I don't, I don't want to say make it Political, but I'll just say ethos wise. I like. I like the way the soccer community operates. So I get very into U.S. soccer. They're always an underdog. Let's see. I'm just curious. If I look at the. The actual team, how familiar am I? Am I familiar?

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Know anybody on the team? I don't think I know anybody.

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Hold on, wait.

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Are they still charging, you know, bucks to get there on the. Oh, yeah, Penn Station.

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Yeah. It's a very high price to get so lame, you know, Reyna, who's Claudio Reyna's kid? You don't remember Claudio reyna from the 94 team?

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I know the name, but I don't remember. I can't put a face to it.

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Claudio Reyna was one of the faces of the 94 team, which was the first, you know, that World cup in the US in 94 really was big for soccer in America. Somehow we still suck, but it was really big. And Claudio Reyna was on that team. His son is on this team. Is there any other new.

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The reason we still suck in America as a football, you know, soccer situation is because our best athletes don't play soccer.

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Yeah, that's generally it.

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Which is it, bottom line?

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Which is.

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It's just there's no money in America. In America for it. And.

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And you got to be the best ever to try to make it.

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And then you gotta. And then to be international as a star, you have to get into academies at like 11 years old.

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And it happens. But it's hard. It's rare.

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Not for what, American kids.

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They're American kids who do it and they play in Europe. It happens, but it's. Again, it's rare. There'll be a. I don't know who on this team. Well, I'll know it by the time we play a few games. But there are kids, no question, on this US Team who also play international. Yes, it happens and there are.

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But are they the stars internationally, Right?

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Are they the. No, they're not The Brazilian players who are playing on their European teams. Speaking of which, I want to watch

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out to the African teams, you know, Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Ghana. I feel like Congo made it. South Africa, Morocco. Reason why is because a lot of those guys who end up playing on the big European teams and being stars, right? Because that's how they make their money have gone home to play for their native teams, which is pretty cool. Which is good for those teams to make it into the World Cup. So I think this year, correct me if I'm wrong, low Please. This year is that the most African countries made it into the World Cup. Oh, that's fire is the head was a headline that I saw.

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Well, let's get back to the World cup because a story that is not Knicks related at all, but sounded like it was initially and we didn't get to it yesterday, is the Carmelo Anthony story. We should get to that.

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Which is the kid down in Texas.

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Yeah.

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Who stabbed the. The football player who was bullying him.

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That's what the story is. It depends who you ask. The prosecution says there was no bullying. The defense said he was bullied.

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So you mean to tell me a smaller kid was bullying two twin football playing brothers who are bigger than him? That's what I'm supposed to believe.

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I don't know if you're supposed to believe it's bullying. I really don't. I don't know. I don't know.

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I mean, listen, they're saying that. Check this out. On a rainy morning, Anthony, a student at Sentinel High School, sat underneath the team tent belonging to Metcalf School. Multiple students.

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Austin Metcalfe's the kid who was killed.

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Multiple student witnesses testified that several athletes told Anthony he needed to leave the

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tent and he was there because it was raining and he didn't want to be in the rain. Yeah, got it.

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When they told Anthony he needed to move, Anthony grabbed his backpack, reached inside and warned, touch me and see what happens. Multiple witnesses noted that Metcalf started saying, you don't have anything in that backpack. It's Frisco. And then it's what? It's Frisco. I don't know what that means. Metcalfe then pushed and grabbed Anthony to get him to move out of the tent. That's when Anthony reacted by pulling a pocket knife from his bag and stabbed him once in the chest before running away. And then Metcalf tragically died.

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So here's my just quick thought on this. None of this sounds like what you want, Right? This behavior overall does not sound good. It sounds like kids being a holes and then one kid pulled out a knife and stabbed a kid in the chest. To me, what's most upsetting from a justice standpoint is not that Carmelo Anthony got 35 years and I. So I imagine life. No, no. But it was. He was facing five to life. He was facing five to life. They gave him 35. I didn't hear without parole though. Right. So I assume eligible for parole. Half that.

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And I'm sure they're going to appeal

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and they're Going to appeal. So there's a world in which he does, you know, 12, 14, whatever. It sounds like a really horrible situation. Right. I'm. I can't imagine what would have happened that a kid who seemingly was a good kid otherwise in his life would go right to grabbing a knife and plunging it into someone's chest. It's like such a dramatic thing to do. I wonder what happened to me. The more upsetting part is it's just that we don't get.

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And also factor in the kid, Carmelo Anthony, who is now facing 35 years. Wasn't he also an athlete for the other team?

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Yeah, there was a track meet.

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It was a track meet. So he was there.

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That's why I find the whole thing so odd in general.

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No, I understand that he was in the opposite key team's tent because it was raining fine. But you're there with your school, right, because it was track.

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Me, I would presume. Yeah.

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And there's other kids there, Right? Right. Who are also there for the track meet.

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Yes.

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Right. So that's why it seems like there's more to the story of what prompted Carmelo to feel like, I gotta pull my. I gotta protect myself here.

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Yeah, I believe that that's what he was claiming, that the twins were like way bigger than him.

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Right.

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And they try to grab him to get him out. And then that's when he turned around and grabbed his backpack.

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But in the obligatory, let's hate Rosenberg, the white man who's not going to fall in line with exactly maybe the emotion we're feeling at this time. I'm still trying to understand how even if these were a hole bigger, kids picking on you or bullying you in some way, or threatening you at a track meet under a thing. I'm still trying to understand how that would get life or death. I'm stabbing someone. I'm trying to understand that.

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Well, the only thing I go to is that I live in Frisco, Texas. Can you tell me where that's near? What's that near on a map? And I live in America. And I'm a black man, black kid. And white kids maybe are picking on me frequently because that's an atmosphere. That is an atmosphere in the United States of America. I don't know if you know this, but.

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Yeah, I. I hear you.

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So that would be the only reason I feel like I gotta. This is a hyper depth scenario.

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But you wouldn't you agree it would still feel unusual that that would feel like a life or death death scenario

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at a High school track meet. Yes.

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Under the thing with other kids around, it's just hard. That's my overall point.

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But we're talking about kids and there's a heightened sensitivity where kids, you know, they're, you know, we're asking kids to manage their emotions in ways and hostile environments sometimes.

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So I guess, sometimes I guess what I'm not interested in is trying to make it sound and figure out a way that it was normal that he plunged a knife into a kid's chest and the kid died. I doubt he planned to kill the kid. It's horrible that the kid passed away and I'm sure that wasn't his intention. I'm not saying the guy's a murderer, but he did something terrible and there are repercussions for that. My issue is not that someone gets punished when that happens. My issue is that when it happens, it seems if the shoe was on the other foot and you reversed the races is that the person wouldn't get time. That to me is the bigger thing.

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On the heels of the store owner Chow in South Carolina who chased a black kid down and shot him in

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the back and is not going to face reproduction.

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Not going to face any reproduction.

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That to me. So I think we get overly calm.

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Over a bottle of water.

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Over a bottle of water. Well, and they're claiming of course in that case that he, the kid, but

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he's still running away.

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Make it make sense. Why are you shooting at a 14

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year old who's running away 130 yards, by the way. That's how far. That's the distance. Yeah. Yeah.

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So explain that.

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So he, he had a gun but he dropped it. He never pulled it and pointed at. At them. They're saying as he was running, the. The gun fell and then that's where he started.

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But the only witnesses are the Chow family that own the store. It's not on.

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Are you saying they're unreliable witnesses?

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Well, based on the guy who owns the store, Mr. Chow, yes. Because he's been abusing people in that community. There's a history of it and they weren't able to use any of his past.

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Why not?

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I was with the South Carolina decided.

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Yeah, so. So what? All I was trying to say is for people in the chat who I know who are already coming after me. It's not that I'm picking any sort of side in the Carmelo Anthony case. It's. The problem is. But see justice and how things.

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I think you're saying the same thing everyone else is saying. I don't think there are people who are saying that he should have been able to stab someone. That person died and there's no repercussions. I don't think that's what people are saying. Saying.

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Right, okay.

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I think they're saying what you're saying, which is the repercussions for self defense. They're not. They're gave it. They gave him no benefit of the doubt. No benefit.

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So that kid gets no benefit of the doubt.

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Right.

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And Chow gets complete benefit of the doubt. So this kid.

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And that's triggering.

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That guy was chasing a child.

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But the triggering part is it both instances. It's black kids.

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Right.

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Which there's a history in this nation of. Of black kids, specifically boys and young men being targeted and mistreated and abused

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by this system and being treated like they're older than they are and getting no benefit of the doubt ever.

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That's right. And the Carmelo Anthony kid tried. Was tried as an adult.

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Of course she was.

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So, so that's. I think you're. I don't think anybody's removing. You plunged a knife into someone's chest and there's going to be accountability for that. I don't, I don't. I haven't seen that.

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Okay. I'm only seeing that. I see videos of people getting super emotional, which makes sense.

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So I haven't seen. In my world, my algo. I haven't seen people being like, he should have got off.

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You're just saying more of a. Of course it's.

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Of course it went this way. And they didn't even factor in self defense. They went and listened to the prosecution. They didn't. I mean, you had two twin boys who. The description of them versus the kid, Carmelo Anthony, is that they were physically larger than him and they're hovering over them and they go to assault him. Right. So they go to physically remove someone. Right. And obviously I immediately go to the failure of where. Where were the. Was a high school thing where the adults. What's going on here? Brain immediately goes to that. But maybe it happened so fast. You know, kids are always getting into stuff. But still there's a history tied to this. And that's what people are feeling. People are feeling. And then. Yes. The. The South Carolina case.

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Yeah. And then there's chatter, listen of like the all white jury. They're saying that the twins family had ties to somebody. I don't know if it was the judge, but it's all hearsay, though. It's all hearsay.

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Can we see The CNN clip, I believe the journalist is. Laura Coates is her name.

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If you haven't been following the Carmelo Anthony murder trial out of Texas, you got to pull up a chair because this case is heartbreaking to be explored. So rewind back to April 2025, where we are at a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas. You got two 17 year old student athletes, Carmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf. And there's a sudden confrontation under one of the team's tents. Minutes later, Austin is fatally stabbed in the chest. Now the trial is officially underway and both sides, they are telling completely different stories. The prosecution says that Carmelo basically taunted Austin into a fight and then plunged a knife into his chest, calling it and senseless. Now the defense, they are screaming self defense. They argue that Austin and his twin brother were way bigger than Carmelo and that Austin actually shoved Carmelo first after telling him to get out of their school's tent. And they're saying that it was a split second reaction born out of pure fear.

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Fear.

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Now Carmelo, he's being tried as an adult and faces up to life in prison, but not the death penalty. You got surveillance video that was just played in court, but it didn't clearly capture the actual stabbing. So witness testimony that's going to be extremely crucial in this case. In the end, the jury is going to have to decide was it a case of unprovoked first degree murder or a tragic split second act of self defense.

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Well, and that was obviously before the outcome. You know, the outcome.

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Right, yeah.

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Well, and that's the part too is that, you know, you know what the jury is going to decide. That's the problem. It's a white jury. A white kid who was tragically killed. You know, they are going to. In Frisco, Texas, in Texas, they are going to see it only one way.

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Well, and also the process. I mean, so, so he just. So a track athlete at high school, at a high school event. Just decided today I was gonna go and antagonize to two brothers and I'm gonna kill one today.

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Right. That's an ins. So murder one. It seems insane that murders on the table. But also, again, I keep going back to. But how did you. Even if you've lived your life as a normal kid, even if you've dealt with annoying white boy football players in Texas before, and I've had my. I'm still trying to understand. You're 17, your whole life's in front of you. You went for the knife to the like it's such a, it's a bizarre circumstance. Like they didn't get into a fist fight. You went right to the. It's just all so weird to me. And even in the best of scenarios where there wasn't any racial component to this whatsoever, I would still think for the fact that even, and even if the kid, the Metcalf kids did bully him and started, I would still think on account of going for the weapon and stabbing, you're still looking at several years in prison. No, no, there's no way around it. You killed someone, you killed and he died. And again, it was one stabbing and the kid died. You killed someone, you're going to jail. There's jail time.

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I had a friend who had a friend who got into a fist fight and he was being approached. They, the, the, the kids were drinking, they were pushing on him, talking crazy to him and one dude swung on him, he dodged and he punched the dude and the dude fell, hit his head and died. Yeah, he went to jail. I've heard of, he did like seven years or something like that.

[B]

Well, and, and, and never forget in terms of how these different things are seen differently depending on what the jury looks like and what the kid looks like. Well, my brother in law was killed in that car accident in 2011 with two other kids. Three 18 year olds or two 18 year olds and one 19 year old were killed in a car crash by one of their friends from high school who was wasted speeding and ran. After he crashed the car, he ran and the girl, Spencer's friend, the girl Haley who died, absolutely could have been saved.

[C]

Oh my God.

[B]

But he ran. So the police had to find it. She was medevaced, she died, left his friends to die. We, that trial was like whatever a year and a half later, bro. They gave him like three kids died. He, and again, I understand he didn't mean to, but you still were completely reckless and negligent and you ran and didn't help them when it happened. I think he ended up serving like a year and a half, two, two and a half tops. They gave him time served for the

[A]

year and a half of the trial.

[B]

They gave him time served even though during the time served when he was on house arrest, he failed drug test, still gave him the time served. They put him in court.

[A]

And this is Maryland and this is in Maryland, suburban Maryland.

[B]

Put him in court, put a huge suit on him. The suit like dwarfed him in size, gave him glasses which he'd never worn previously, like made him look and by the way I want to be clear, I'm not a vengeful person. I feel, I feel bad for him as a person. Also, he was not doing well when it happened. He clearly was not doing well.

[A]

He probably won't do well for the

[B]

rest and he probably forever. So I wish nothing ill on the person who did this is even as horrible as it was. But my point is we sat there even though it was three white kids that were killed, still seeing the way a white kid gets treated by a white judge and a white jury and the level of sympathy that you just

[A]

don't see for people of color even in that CNN report started again. Rahsaan.

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Black Music Month Amplified Voices is sponsored by aarp. If you haven't been following the Carmelo Anthony murder trial out of Texas, you gotta pull up a chair because this case is heartbreaking and needs to be explored. So rewind back to April 2025, where we are at a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas. You got two 17 year old student athletes, Carmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf.

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Pause it.

[C]

Look at the pictures.

[B]

Yep. The handsome football photo.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And like the mug shot.

[A]

And by the way, Carmelo's. He was an athlete.

[B]

Yeah. There's no picture.

[A]

There's no picture of him as an athlete.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's being done on cnn. Whether in theory, trying to do just an honest story about it. And even the pictures they chose to use are of one where Carmelo Anthony looks like he's in a mug shot and looks desperate and not well. And I saw other pictures of Carmelo Anthony. I've seen him smiling with his family. I've seen him doing normal things. And Austin Metcalfe, it's the photo they use. This All American photo of him with his helmet off. You know, so it's. So that's the thing. It's just all built into the. It's in there. It's ragu.

[A]

It's ragu. It's in the sauce.

[B]

This is America, baby.

[A]

It's a super sad story. And I want to reiterate, I believe the way we're seeing the algorithm right now about this story is not that people feel like Carmelo Anthony should have not been held accountable. That's not what I believe we're seeing. I'm seeing people who are triggered by the history of this nation as it should be triggered by what just took place a week ago in South Carolina. And. And obviously understanding based on that history that this kid Carmelo wasn't. He didn't get any grace. None in the scenario.

[B]

And the whole thing, let's be honest, we suck. Why is the solution to all of these things. How badly can we punish the teenager who did it? I understand the feeling of anger and pain that the family would have. I don't understand why we govern our laws based on that, though. Like, it's obviously an overall tragedy and obviously punishment should take place. But, like, why is the Metcalf family gonna be better off because Carmelo Anthony gets the book thrown at him and they decide he's a murderer?

[C]

Some people do feel like that. Some people feel like finally they're gonna feel like, yes, they're like just to served. And at least that's a form of closure for.

[B]

Let me tell you.

[A]

Yo, the kid that got killed has a twin brother.

[C]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

A twin.

[B]

No, I feel that that part's very sad. It's not gonna make it better that. That this happens.

[A]

And. But I have seen families who articulate. Not in this case. I don't know what the Metcalf family who lost their son had to say. I haven't seen any clips of them. I haven't seen anything.

[B]

And I can't personally pass judgment on how they want it to be.

[A]

Yeah. But I have seen families who are. Who have attempted to articulate what you're saying.

[B]

Right.

[A]

There were kids.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Things got out of hand. Like, I don't want this child who I. I lost my child. I can't imagine this other family's gonna lose their child also.

[B]

Right?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Right. Like, yes, they'll be able to go visit him, but he's in jail looking at 35 years. Like, he's gone.

[B]

You're talking about if he were to serve the 35 years he's coming out at 52 years old.

[A]

You've lost your child.

[B]

That's it.

[C]

I had a friend who was tied to a case because she. It was like, her, like, cousin, but removed a couple times. Basically, it was a sad story of two teenage girls were out partying drunk, and she basically lost control of the vehicle and killed her best friend. Killed her best friend. And in court, the parents were like, we don't want to lose two daughters. That's how they viewed it. They were like, yo, we know that she didn't do this on purpose. It was a horrible mistake. But they were trying to advocate for the young lady who was behind.

[B]

But they knew. But in that case, they were best friends. That's why they obviously knew there was no harm intended. Just stupid, stupid behavior.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've seen cases like that, too, but, you know, it's just horrible, man.

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It's horrible. Listen, elr, we are here. Please subscribe. Hit the hype button. Laura, you got some things in the rundown. You had that Carmelo Anthony. We decided to do that outside the rundown. You got other things you want to get to in the rundown?

[C]

Yeah, man. There's a viral photo of Rick Ross as causing a lot of conversation. I'll let you know why in the rundown.

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Let's get to it.

[B]

Let's do it. Oh, now?

[A]

Right now.

[B]

Crazy. Going crazy on a Thursday.

[C]

All right, so this was moving around yesterday, so we didn't get to it, but there's this photo. Rahsaan. If you could hook me up with a photo of Rick Ross. And I believe he's at an airport, and he's totally incognito. He has his hoodie up. He has glasses.

[A]

Why you hiding, Rose?

[C]

He's definitely not trying to be recognized.

[A]

Why you hiding, Rose?

[C]

Ah. And you know, people are trying to tea. They're teasing him, and they're talking ishb. Because they were like, what happened to your private plane?

[B]

But maybe it's in the shop.

[A]

But you got Bunt. You the boss. Why you didn't get another charter?

[C]

Maybe he didn't want to spend $50,000 when if he's going from Atlanta, are

[A]

you worried about spending 50,000? Wait, hold on. Ron Baskeem. What's going on? Sir, you're not communicating. You don't have it.

[B]

You looking for a photo? Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, you never sent it over.

[C]

Hold on, hold on.

[B]

Have you ever considered the fact that

[C]

maybe I sent it to the wrong chat?

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Sorry.

[C]

That was my bad.

[B]

Maybe Ross is Having second thoughts about the private jet. And he's considering the environmental implications.

[A]

Well, now, but remember, he's got, he's got the OVO hose on his tail. So OVO is going to run with this because Drake got a plane. You're not seeing Drake. You're not seeing Drake on, on a, on a commercial.

[B]

No, he took, he took stun of Sandy out to Turks and Caicos on that jet.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Ros, you have. They saw your name plastered on the side of a plane. Where's the plane? You should. We should not see you in gen pop.

[C]

So is it because he. Yeah, because he's such a talker.

[A]

That's all this is because to me,

[C]

I'm just like, who cares? You sure you're smart with your money? Just like T Pain. Remember when T Pain was like, I will be on that commercial flight.

[B]

Nah, Ross is not T Pain.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

T Pain is much more responsible.

[A]

Well, no, no, you guys are looking at it through the wrong lens. Once you talk all that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you flaunt money and you the boss and all that. When they catch you just chilling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You could, you could literally be like, yo, I was just working out. Yo, we saw Ross. He was mad, ashy and sweaty. Yo, what happened? You supposed to be the boss. Why you got a regular T shirt on.

[B]

Right?

[A]

That's what the Internet you see.

[B]

Well, you set the bar.

[A]

You set the bar.

[B]

It's a, it's a. It's fair. I, I. Ross. I guess he never reached out about doing our show as part of the, the promo.

[A]

This show? Yeah, but we would absolutely. Come on.

[C]

We didn't reach out.

[A]

What promo for what?

[B]

He's been doing a ill promo run.

[C]

Look, you see him? Bose, there's another one where you could actually.

[B]

That kid is nasty. Where is he?

[C]

That's why he's hiding.

[B]

That gate is.

[A]

Now, now look, now look. Putrid. We could do all of the. You know why? Maybe he's saving money. Planes in the shop. That plane that had his name on the side of it or has his name on the side of it. He, it could be a scenario.

[B]

Where are you going?

[A]

Where that plane. Because there are. That plane was so big it can't fly. There's certain airports you can't even land,

[B]

by the way, do you see what that, that wasn't jfk. That airport. Let me see that picture again.

[C]

Small airport.

[B]

It looks like a small raggedy. Look at the floor. When was. No, no. When was the last time you saw that floor? In an airport.

[A]

They got some of those in New York City, bro.

[B]

I mean, yeah, they don not. Don't talk. What? You ain't not the new LaGuardia.

[C]

All right, but to your point, Ebro, there are some smaller airports who cannot handle it, right? Oh, you see him right there in the corner?

[A]

Crowded. That's a crowded gate. Yo, that.

[B]

Is that what you're looking at right there is why when I travel alone? Because when you're with the baby, you got to do everything the slow way. But when I'm on my own, that is why I time my. I will sooner risk missing the flight than stand around in a friggin gate. I.

[A]

Well, I'll go. I wouldn't even stand where. I wouldn't sit right there.

[B]

I'd be sitting somewhere or standing. I just like, I go sit and

[A]

then I'll walk up when it's my time.

[B]

Right. I'm waiting. Spending for that.

[A]

But that airport might be that small. I don't know where. We don't know where.

[B]

And some people.

[A]

But anyway, let's focus on the main thing. The reason it's. It was trending was because you flaunt excess and now they caught you being regular.

[B]

Lacking, man.

[C]

Anyway, in other news.

[B]

My God, my guy Rose, he's coming here this summer, by the way. I think just hit him.

[A]

He'll come on the show.

[B]

All right. Like, it's not that he's done so much weird.

[A]

You reach out to people to come on the show.

[B]

I do. And not Rick Ross. I haven't reached out to Rick Ross in a long time.

[C]

Always comes.

[B]

He's still.

[A]

He's still ready for the jokes.

[B]

I want to call Laura out.

[C]

Okay. Always go when we ask him to.

[B]

When was the last time we had Ross?

[A]

Whenever we asked.

[C]

Yeah, because I didn't ask. Did you ask?

[A]

No, I haven't asked nothing. As a matter of fact, they reached out to me to come. He put out a book recently. They asked me to come, like host his book sign like a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't do it well, but he's definitely like, oh, by the way, when I saw him at the verses was like, yo, love what y' all are doing. Love the pivot. Like, he's all right.

[C]

Good.

[B]

We should. We should get him. Because he did. My point I was trying to make was actually less about us and more that. You haven't seen the wacky clips. He did every viral thing there is to do.

[A]

I haven't seen it.

[B]

I don't know what your algorithm you didn't see any of the stuff.

[C]

I didn't see the wacky clips either. Louis.

[A]

Am.

[B]

I am. I missed. You saw it, right?

[C]

He didn't see the wacky. Wacky clips either.

[B]

Y' all haven't seen that? Ross did every single thing there is to do. He ate bagels on the street. He did right wing podcasts. He did everything.

[A]

I haven't seen none of it.

[B]

Everything he's done 20.

[A]

Was this for the book?

[B]

I can't even tell.

[A]

I think this might have been for

[B]

the book albums over the last three weeks.

[A]

There's no new album yet. There's a new single. There was a couple of.

[B]

So then it's for the book, I guess, in the single. But he's been outside quite a bit over the last few weeks.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Doing wacky stuff.

[A]

Well, guess what?

[B]

Not here.

[A]

He better get back on that plane. And they gonna keep coming for him. Let's see, he's got an album out July 17th. It's called Set in Stone. And the only song been has been released is that Join I Love with French Montana and Max B. Where they use the. What is it sitting on Chrome.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. That was fire.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In other news, this is reported by the BBC. This woman, Jennifer Ann, is suing Kanye over sexual assault that happened in a music video in 2010. Check this out.

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I didn't. I didn't know what was going to happen. I was given no direction. I was just told to sit in this chair.

[F]

A model has accused Kanye west of sexual assault, assaulting her by choking her and forcing his fingers into her mouth on the set of a music video in 2010. Now, Kanye's lawyers don't deny that this happened, but they say it was part of an artistic performance and that the model, Jennifer Ahn, did not object to it while it was happening. In an exclusive interview with the Fame Under Fire podcast, Jen told me that she wasn't aware that west was going to be on set that day. Then when he arrived, he picked her out for a one on one scene.

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It started where he. He went up to my face and he was like, smearing my. My makeup on my face, and I

[B]

didn't see any tears. Sorry.

[C]

Okay. Do you need a minute? Yeah.

[G]

Sorry.

[C]

It's okay.

[G]

Smearing the makeup all over my face in a way that just felt wrong. He started sticking his fingers in my mouth, and I feel like he was, like, trying to touch as much as he could, and I was actively. My tongue was like, like hiding from him, and he just like, found everything.

[F]

Now, Jen told me that Kanye didn't speak to her before, during, or after the interaction, but that when he was done, he shouted, this is our I am Picasso. And then abruptly left. And we contacted Kanye for his comment, of course, and we haven't heard back. But in one of his legal. His lawyers wrote, ye staged an intense and provocative theatrical performance which paralleled scenes in American Psycho, including acts to emulate forced oral sex. They added that the plaintiff, Jen, may have experienced some difficulty breathing. Now, Jen filed her lawsuit under the Gender Motivated Violence act in New York, which temporarily extends the statute of limitations for sexual assault survivors. It's now up to a judge to decide if this case will proceed to trial.

[C]

And then, like, the first comment on BBC is a woman named Grace would. Grace Woodward. And she says, I was the stylist for the main artist on the video. The video was pulled because of it. Believe women, this happened in 2010.

[A]

No, no, no. I.

[C]

I know.

[A]

And she wants what. And she. This is criminal or this is civil or.

[B]

Well, it said. It said. It said the statute now extends. I. That would make me think you could still be criminal.

[A]

Yeah. So you walk up. So I'm just trying to understand, like, this is bonkers to me. It was a video filming. Kanye walks on the set without any convo, assaults this person. She clearly did not know what she was about to be a part of.

[C]

Yeah. He yells it.

[A]

He goes, it's art. I'm Picasso, and. And leaves.

[C]

That's what was.

[A]

And his team's response was, yes, it did happen. Right.

[C]

But it was all part of the plan. So they're basically saying that she knew that this was gonna happen, and somewhere in there, they said she couldn't breathe.

[B]

I. That part. I didn't. That part was the weirdest part. Like, wait, you're saying she may have struggled to breathe.

[A]

Yeah. So they. They planned it to happen. That. I guess that's what my brain is going to. They're not acting like this didn't happen.

[B]

No, they're not. Even.

[A]

She is 1000% like, oh, my God. What the. Excuse my language. What just happened somewhere in here.

[B]

Not what just happened. What just happened 16 years ago or

[A]

in the moment that it did happen. Right. I guess what I'm trying to understand is, like, she didn't know that this was. That's what she's basically saying.

[B]

That's what she said.

[A]

And they're saying, no, that's what we plan to do.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And the video. But the person who shot the video,

[B]

they obviously didn't like it or thought something of it because they didn't put it out.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But there's a lot of reason things don't come out, though.

[A]

But. No, the but though. You just said so.

[C]

This is. It's the first comment on this BBC video on ig. Is this woman who says she's Grace Woodward a verified account? She says, I was the stylist for the main artist on the video. The video was pulled because of it. Believe women because of it. So I'm assuming, listen to women.

[B]

Okay, listen, you can't just say believe.

[A]

I don't want to focus on that.

[B]

Because there's not a piece of it. But.

[A]

No, because they're not even saying it didn't happen. There's nothing to not believe.

[C]

They're not denying it.

[B]

No, no. But there is one piece here. Right. And I'm sorry, I don't want to say that callously, of course, you. I just think that phrase is a complicated thing to discuss. But that specific thing is the believe piece is, is she really saying she had no idea and blindly assaulted her, or is she lying? And 15 years later, Kanye's a mess? And she goes, I can get an easy $5 million.

[A]

That could possibly be true, what you're saying. However, they're still not denying it didn't happen.

[B]

But so what? That's not what the argument is.

[A]

Right. So. But for a judge to proceed, somewhere along the line, someone would have to say, hey, no, we told so and so we were going to do this.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

They hired someone.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We walked in the room, did the thing we planned to do, and left. So it wouldn't even be on, I guess Kanye, if in his mind, he was like, y' all need a girl? Because I'm gonna walk in and I'm gonna do xyz, and then we're gonna leave. Because they're once again not denying that it happened. They planned to do this.

[C]

Yeah. Because if that was a scenario, you would think your producer or someone would be like, hey, he's gonna walk in.

[A]

So I guess my point is it's. It sounds terrible, and this girl is mortified, and rightfully so, based on what we're seeing. Somebody dropped the ball on communicating to her. And according to his lawyers. All I'm saying is, according to his lawyers, because they're not denied it didn't happen.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They planned to do this.

[B]

The reason I'm sounding a little more. I'm questioning a bit more than I normally would when I hear a story like this. And I think, oh, my God, I'm appalled. This is awful. She is, because, like, when you hear a sexual assault story, someone on a date, something really happened. Something horrible happened. They claimed, they say they were raped, and years later, that's like this really deep emotional thing. And they buried it. All the different things. This, to me, is odd in that this wasn't some private situation. It was very public. Everyone saw it. You're saying this very terrible thing happened to you at a work environment, and you walked away from it, and 15 years later, you're now, like, on second thought, that was bad. It wasn't bad then.

[C]

Or maybe it was, and she just was traumatized and she didn't have the ends to find help to tell her story.

[B]

But in the moment, the people who hired it just happened in front of them.

[C]

Yeah, but how many times have you heard of these weird scenarios happen in music videos, especially when it comes to

[A]

Kanye or video girls being assaulted and other things and them not feeling bad.

[B]

But this feels the video girls assaulted is even more complex because they're framing it as a party, and now people are actually partying and drinking. And what if it's art? And what if it's just gross? But this seems like it was. The focal point of the video is,

[A]

we're gonna do this. But what I'm focused on is she may not have known that.

[C]

That's what I'm saying, because I think I agree with Ebro. It's the miscommunication. Nobody said, hey, this is going to happen. The scene is coming out.

[A]

He's going to reenact getting Deep Throated with his hands.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And we're going to film it. Are you okay with that?

[C]

You got to prepare people.

[B]

I just. I'm trying to understand a world in which that could happen, and you wouldn't immediately, if you weren't prepared for it, like, practically gag and say, what the fuck is going on here? I'm just trying to understand it, but

[A]

I think what happens is.

[B]

Or maybe she looked that way, and that's why they didn't want to use it, because she looked so.

[C]

Yeah, maybe she freaked out afterwards and they're like, all right, we're not gonna use that.

[A]

And. And also, people want jobs, and there's people who are, like, afraid to.

[B]

Well, the power dynamic is power that of like, I.

[A]

So the production company doesn't want to lose 16 years. How many years ago? 16 years ago. 16 years ago. Production company doesn't want to lose business with Kanye west. Sixteen years ago, a young person who's trying to get there up and up and come up and send the game doesn't want to. Like, I was hired to do a job, and now the. The job went bad. I'm never going to get hired again. Like, these are real scenarios that people are absolutely dealing with. So, you know, yeah, 16 years ago, people didn't feel as empowered as they do right now. And even now, you have for sure, the way we're carrying this discussion, which is people are gonna go, this is why people. Because, look, you're questioning her, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

And that goes back to my issue with the phrase believe women. Because even though we're having this moment of reckoning that has been happening and is well deserved and needs to continue to happen, that doesn't mean the only way to discuss these things are, well, that's it, she said it. Believe her, it's over, move on. He now needs to pay or go to jail.

[A]

There has to be a conversation for this particular convo. That's why I immediately, my brain was, like, going haywire because it was like, well, the lawyers aren't even saying they didn't have.

[C]

Like, to me, it's more on his team.

[B]

This is.

[A]

Whoever hired this person is really at fault.

[B]

But, you know, Kanye could have also left his team in the dark because he's a lunatic.

[A]

But once again, his.

[B]

So they could have been like, we didn't know you were gonna go stick your hand in this woman's mouth.

[A]

But the lawyers are saying, hey, yeah, she could have had some breathing issues with the way we had planned to do this thing.

[B]

So the real question, and I guess the nuts and bolts, would be, what did she sign prior to doing it?

[A]

And what did she agree? What did she think this was gonna be?

[C]

Yeah, we don't know any of that.

[B]

Cause think about the fact that pornography is made every day, right? And within the making of pornography, there have to be moments that happen in those scenes that someone's like, oh, this isn't my favorite thing. Right. Like, but at the same time, there's probably not recourse for doing much about it, because it's all within the confines of what you agreed to do.

[A]

Well, I've never been involved in porn.

[B]

But you did mention snuff films earlier this week.

[A]

But I have watched. I have watched.

[C]

I can ask my friend also.

[A]

Yeah, but no, they agree. They. They know what's gonna happen for the things that. There are things that are absolutely not happening.

[B]

Yes, I know. Yeah. What I'm saying is, I'm sure within you know, if it's a wild orgy scene, there could be a moment that you found in the second, like, oh, this is not exactly what I wanted. Now maybe you have the person stop doing it or whatever, but they edit,

[A]

and they're like, yo, chill.

[B]

Yeah, sure. But it may also be that to. When you sign the paperwork, there are certain things happening that you, like, waive all your rights, you can do whatever you want, but within the parameters of what you're doing, weird stuff can happen. You know what I mean? I don't know. I have no clue. It just all. It all sounds bizarre, but Kanye is bizarre.

[C]

So how many bizarre stories have we heard? But I look at his team because I was like, I feel like they should have prepared her.

[A]

But I also look at the lawyer statement in response to this news story, which is not denial,

[B]

but again, how could they deny it when they know the physical thing happened? The whole piece is whether or not it was talked about before or not.

[A]

Right? That's.

[B]

That's the whole thing.

[A]

And I'm saying that.

[E]

That.

[A]

That would be there out. Which is like, basically, we asked for this, and we showed up and assumed everybody was on the page. We didn't handle the production. We hired a company to do the production.

[B]

I think we can all agree on one thing. Kanye is not Picasso.

[A]

Congratulations.

[B]

You played yourself, and that wasn't Picasso.

[E]

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[D]

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[B]

sponsored by AARP American Psycho. He's basically ripping off the scene from a movie in his video and then just yelling, I'm Picasso. It's like, no, you're an asshole, bro.

[C]

Yeah, just an asshole.

[A]

You could use that in a bar. That's a bar.

[B]

What you're not Picasso. You're just an asshole.

[C]

And the whole believe women thing, I think it's believe women enough to investigate.

[B]

Well, that's a great phrase. I agree.

[C]

And I, and I, and I, and I. And I hear you when you say you listen to women. I prefer that because it is because

[B]

there just have been ones like we brought up. Yeah, guys, I want to be clear. I am. I couldn't be any further on the side of men are disgusting. All the worst things.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But there are. You do have to be mindful of the specific situations, as we brought up this week with Aziz, where the whole believe women as a statement. You did everyone at first like, well, we have to just believe her. She said. And then you got into it. You're like, yeah, I believe you had a shitty date with a guy who I wouldn't want to go out with again.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But I don't believe it's a situation where a guy's career should naturally. I mean, he has basically an asterisk next to him for the next seven years. So, like, I just found the term believe women. It's saying you don't like the phrase, makes you sound horrible. But if we're having a nuanced conversation, which we have the privilege of doing on the ELR show every day.

[A]

Well, not until somebody clip up that last portion.

[B]

He hates believing. He doesn't believe women. I believe women when it's true. I think, listen to women. Or to Laura's point, believe them enough.

[A]

Are you mansplaining to that community how they should be?

[B]

That community? The women.

[A]

Yeah, to that community, how they should articulate their feelings and.

[B]

No.

[A]

And the fact it sounds like that's

[B]

what you're doing and what Laura just said is, is that she agrees. And by the way, I've had mad women say that same thing to me because they read the story sometimes and like, this doesn't sound like hopefully they

[A]

show up on the Internet in these comments.

[B]

I got so many things to be roasted for already in this one episode.

[A]

Oh, roast. You bringing up a roast now. Look at you.

[B]

You went too far. Oh, God, he went too far.

[A]

Are you done with the rundown?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

What about that weird ass Drake story I sent you guys?

[A]

I didn't. I opened it.

[C]

It's weird. I thought it was weird.

[B]

So when I hit low down, you

[C]

know, I mean, it is low down.

[A]

You know how you send links in ig? Yeah. And then when you click on the link, it might not actually take you to the thing.

[B]

And then you have to care enough to do it again. Like quit.

[A]

So I clicked on the link and all I saw was something that looked like a woman in like blue satin with some crazy makeup on. Was that the thing?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So I thought it was the wrong thing and I immediately closed it. Cuz I was like this looks crazy.

[B]

It was the right thing.

[A]

Oh, and so what was?

[C]

Oh, we have it.

[B]

Oh, you guys put it in.

[E]

Go.

[B]

You got to go back and pause. So the, the. The quick thing is that the girls obviously is nice for what's playing. And it says when Drake DMs you and says like he's going to buy you a car. And then she posts the dm, which I was trying to get him to pause.

[A]

Pause.

[B]

Champagne pops.

[A]

What's up love? No way. This can't be real. Hi. Oh my God. Yeah, I seen you on my feed and I got a proposition for you.

[B]

I'm Jeff. Esther said. But it's better if you text my number. Phone number.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You didn't believe it then.

[B]

He bought you a car. Get ready to pause again.

[A]

Basco.

[B]

Pause.

[C]

Okay. See that lame ass car. Let me buy you a real car for you. Dead ass.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not even bullshitting you. We can go right now. Please. I would love you forever and ever. So you don't love me now, huh? I didn't say all that. When you come in and get me, I'll be on my way soon. Don't have me waiting this time. Love. That implies there's. Oh, and now she's in a Corvette. And there's the Corvette in the parking lot.

[C]

All right.

[B]

And then I, and then I went and looked at like some of her other stuff and she's talking about being homeless and the content's mad weird.

[C]

She has this. Okay, there is this.

[A]

By the way, those DMS could be 1000% fake.

[B]

It could all be fake. Right?

[C]

It could all be fake. 100. But she's one of those girls who plays into like a certain type of fetish. It's like this weird because when you look at her videos she has a small waist and a big ass butt and big ass thighs. Like, and she wears like the fishnets. She dresses sexy for that type of. I'm gonna label it wrong so don't come at me. But it's like anime. You know what I mean? Feeling like anime porn. No, because that's actual anime.

[D]

That's porn.

[C]

No, it's like.

[B]

No, but the, the body type is exaggerated.

[C]

Yes. And the way you dress and there's a. There's a term for it. I just don't know the term.

[B]

You don'? About the lifestyle.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know about the lifestyle, but there's a. A whole fetish community around it.

[A]

Okay, but it could all be.

[B]

I guess. I guess the point is it could all be fake, right?

[A]

Well, also because that Corvette. What Corvette is that? It's not the new one. That Corvette is like a 10 year old Corvette. It's not the new one. So Drake bought you a used Corvette? Is that what I'm supposed to believe?

[B]

Doesn't feel right. Right.

[C]

Yo, if. If I was Drake, I would have my team come out, if that's what I'm saying. I'll have my team come out.

[A]

I just want to hit Rosenberg. What?

[B]

Congratulations. You played the algo. That's your beloved algo. It hit me.

[A]

That's not my algo. You want to see what's on Ebro's algo? It ain't that.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Which I'm glad I didn't open that up because, you know, you know when you open up the wrong thing.

[C]

Yeah. Then you're gonna get stuff.

[B]

Now it sends you down.

[A]

Oh, man. You want Ebro's algo? Go to clip 24 for me. Rahsaan.

[B]

There we go. Taking a look.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[G]

This is so.

[B]

I didn't see this. A viral joke on social media to turn Trump's White House UFC fight into the gayest pride party in US History is becoming real, as hundreds of gay men are actually buying tickets and planning to show up shirtless, glittered up, and very flamboyant.

[C]

This is amazing.

[B]

But the problem is what? Sounds very funny and I love it. Except they're gonna. If it actually happens, they're then gonna be running into the crowd that's actually going to.

[C]

Going there. Oh, the hateful, homophobic.

[A]

Let me tell you something. I don't think they care.

[B]

They would. They were just.

[A]

You saying gay men can't fight. Is that. Was that what you're starting? You're asserting they're going to run into a crowd that's going to want to knuckle up with a bunch of gay dudes at a UFC fight. Good luck. I want to see it.

[B]

I. I don't. I just want to say I don't want to see it. But I hear what you're saying also.

[A]

No, no, no. That's not a good idea. Don't assume because somebody's gay, they can't.

[B]

I'm saying the crowd that I've seen at MMA events before the. The Muscle bound, Affliction. Sh. There are some that really do get into this.

[A]

And you're assuming they're straight, by the way.

[B]

They're just not flamboyant glitter. They're wearing affliction shirts.

[A]

Yeah, you're right.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

They're just quietly on Grindr.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if they're on privately on Grindr. Maybe they'll be into it. Maybe like, oh, this thing.

[A]

It's got Liddy.

[B]

Because not only is there a fight, but now it's on. I don't know.

[A]

We can all tussle, yo.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

We can tangle. Tussle.

[B]

That is a great bit, though. Did you see that? There's a lawsuit. No, there's a lawsuit. These two guys filed a lawsuit in Virginia stating that the concept of the White House fight is illegal because it's going to be profiting. It's gonna be taking public funds in a public space.

[A]

I like it.

[B]

And profiting for private people's margins. And Trump himself is now an investor in ufc.

[A]

Yeah, no, this is all correct.

[B]

So he'll be winning, he'll be making money. Brands will be making money on the people's dime.

[A]

That's right. That's illegal. But by the way, welcome to America. The last. I mean, there's obviously corruption that's been in the government for the longest. I mean, that's part of the nation. It's in there. It's like Ragu.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But this level of overt corruption that we're seeing under this administration, this, you know, one of these things is going to, you know, knock over the house of cards. So they're going to be at the White House till one in the morning on the lawn with that big thing.

[B]

I think so. Which means Trump is gonna be sleepy time bobos.

[C]

He's gonna be out.

[B]

I mean, he's gonna be out. Yo, I didn't know. I didn't know Trump and Jazz had this in common.

[A]

What's that going.

[B]

Just going to sleep in the middle of the event.

[A]

Oh, they're both from Queens.

[C]

Yo, your girl's gonna get you when she hears this.

[A]

You may never recover from that.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[D]

And Natalie.

[B]

What Natalie's from.

[A]

She's stuck. Jazz.

[B]

Well, listen, she should be mad at you. You're the one who came on here the other day and revealed that on Monday night, the holiest of nights, that incredible game, you're the one who said. She said I'm going to bed.

[A]

But I didn't compare it to Trump. I didn't put her in the same sentence. You might be finished. You might want to text her and apologize.

[B]

Oh, God damn it. I'll text her later. But I like and comment.

[A]

Oh, speaking of.

[B]

Oh, what do you got?

[A]

It's time.

[B]

Uh. Oh, watch Father's Day.

[A]

The handoff is official. That's right. It is time for the family heirloom to be handed off.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yo, this is a big moment in time.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

How about this? Maya's about to pull up to the studio.

[C]

Let's go. All right, well, you have to explain the situation.

[A]

Well, you explain, Laura.

[C]

So this fabulous Gucci raincoat was handed down by our dear. My niece. Is it my niece? My niece.

[B]

It's your niece.

[C]

My niece. Waffle, which I adore. She gave this to me. She was like, I'm handing it down. So Kenza wore it. And then afterwards, I was like, I gotta hand this down. So I handed it over to Selassie.

[B]

Selassie wore it, by the way, we saw the photos that came out, the video. Adorable. And now it's time.

[A]

Now the handoff is official. Robert, we are putting the Gucci raincoat into the Rosenberg household.

[B]

Do you think this will fit her now?

[C]

Yeah, maybe.

[A]

But Selassie had it before. It actually fit. Fit.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Wow. But has she outgrown this?

[A]

Yeah. It's his struggle.

[C]

Yeah. It's so funny.

[B]

It's so cute.

[C]

Cause it's so cute. It's so ridiculous. And it's like, what can you do? I'm not gonna keep it there forever. No, I'm gonna pass it down.

[B]

Wow. This is fire, guys. This is gonna be a very. I mean, listen, Jazz may be finished with me, but her and Natalie's are still good.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

And Natalie's gonna be so excited. So I would imagine that in the coming weeks, there may be a picture that pops up.

[A]

Definitely gonna be a photo shoot. Well, and there's a rainy day or two. It might be a little hot, but there's a rainy day or two.

[B]

That's the problem is with the. The nice rainy. The raincoat on a hot, rainy day.

[C]

Yeah, but. But it's light, though.

[B]

It is light. And Natalie does have a jacket it. That will go with this.

[A]

Jazz send it in. In this bag that says best ever. That's right.

[C]

So cute.

[B]

Wow. Thanks, both of you guys. And Jazz and Rick and Waffle and Kerwin is father's Day.

[A]

This Father's day is the 21st.

[B]

21st.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So not this weekend. Next.

[B]

Wow. Big moment. Friday came early today.

[A]

I. I was going to try to hold it for f. Friday, but I figured, you know what? Let me. I'll forget. I already knew if I, like, didn't grab it this morning. Bring it and execute.

[C]

Yeah, it was gonna get.

[B]

It also shows that Ebro's really been. You know, him and Jazz are really focused on the. Getting things out of the house. Yeah, that's what it says to me.

[A]

No, like.

[B]

No, like, it's time to keep it. It could still be better. Well, you just went crazy at the Nike store.

[A]

That's what I mean.

[B]

So what's coming out?

[A]

A lot. But I'm in trouble over at the crib.

[B]

Yeah. Because once you do a trip like that.

[A]

No, I'll tell you how in trouble I am. I found a sale. Nike. So I don't know if you guys have been noticed. I've been having, like. Like, Nike dry fit on different hats. It's on the couch. Folded the new stuff for, like, a week now.

[B]

Because you got to empty the drawers.

[A]

Because I didn't want to take it into the closet. Well, because, remember, I don't have drawers.

[B]

Oh, you just closet.

[A]

I get dressed on the other side of the house.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't have.

[B]

No.

[A]

So in my bedroom, I have to. I have to walk across the house. So if we have company, I have to put on clothes, walk across the house, bring the clothes I'm gonna wear back from the closet that's actually in Selassie's room, and then take a shower, get dressed in the room.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Otherwise, I could take a shower and walk across the house of my drawers. But I still gotta walk across the house and get dressed in the other side.

[B]

Right. So things have to come out before you can actually settle this stuff down.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Yeah. I've been. Good luck because we bought a few things recently, too. And I'm like, hey, babe. It means we do have to get rid of stuff. That's how it goes.

[A]

Goes well. And I'm terrible at the whole, like, it's summer. I'm gonna pack up all this winter, put it in storage, and it's a

[B]

great move, but it's hard.

[C]

I do it at it. I do it.

[B]

Of course you do. You're very dis.

[C]

I do it. I'm just. Because I don't want to go back. And still right now, I think I'm

[A]

gonna do it, Laura. I think you just inspired me. Yes, I'm gonna order when we get done with the show today. I'm ordering new vacuum bags.

[C]

Get a suitcase.

[A]

No, I'm gonna get a plastic bin. One of those.

[C]

Yeah, whatever.

[A]

Boom. And we're going to get after it this weekend while the NBA fire is on. Soccer. I got to get on a flight on Sunday.

[B]

Do you think it's weird that when you said I never go back or something like that, I sorted in my mind to a special ed single in the mid-90s called I Never go back, And I realize now the bar, he says, is, I never go back. I never flow whack, bro.

[A]

This is. I don't know what's going on with Rosenberg this week, but now we got. We got back somehow. We got back to special ed and Philly's most wanted in the same week.

[B]

Nah, it's been some strange polls this week.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Have you been listening to more music again?

[B]

Well, I've been, because I know for a lot of gym heavy this week.

[A]

So you've been listening to more music?

[B]

Yeah, although I've mostly been listening to uptempo R B. Okay, that's been the. When I say, like, uptempo R B. No, like, more recent.

[C]

Is that why you posted post to be?

[B]

Yeah, so I posted post to be. I'm like, can you believe Posta baby is that old? You're like, oh, I like this joint. Remember post a BE. It's that old.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Posta B's like 9 years old. Guys. 2 on by Tinashe is like 15 years old. No, like 11.

[A]

I might as well be 15.

[B]

That's why when people try to play with mustard and act like he just messed around with the gnx. Let's not forget the post to be one era. We're not doing that because those were smasharoos.

[A]

No, must have been.

[C]

All right, let's give her a pair of tickets. Okay, caller number seven right now. Eight, four, four elr. Elr. Three. You'll get a pair of tickets. Shout to mass appeal for the World cup opening concert June 12 at Billy Jean King center with Nas, Eric the Architect Aria Vega, and more. So you can buy your [e-mail] but we're hooking you up.

[A]

Would you say call her seven?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

All right. And then call her. Eight, nine, ten.

[B]

Whoa, whoa.

[C]

You're getting loose.

[A]

Going crazy. Father's Day. Because you brought up Father's Day reminded me.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

We got the Father's Day pack, which is courtesy of Pure Powers Organic luxury skin care and wellness. I gotta. I gotta bring in Laura. I gotta get you a box.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I gotta have that sent to you so you can bring it in.

[B]

Maybe we can play soccer. Box.

[A]

Yep. You'll get the organic Oud Luxe wash. Organic body oil. That was his.

[B]

Yeah, so don't let him play me, because I was that moment Sacker. Box was all you, bro.

[A]

You sure?

[B]

Oh, I'm sure.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because I remember being like, what is he saying?

[A]

Organic body scrub. Organic shea butter. And you get the 16 ounce organic CMOS gel.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So that's courtesy of Pure Powers. And I believe their IG account is Pure Power.

[C]

That's a great gift.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So that's for Father's Day. So we got three of those right now. And then next week. Can you guys give some more of those away?

[C]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

When are you gone?

[A]

I'm gone Monday. Just Monday and Tuesday and Tuesday.

[C]

And I think we should. Not Wednesday.

[A]

I think Wednesday. Wednesday I get back. But I may get on the red eye. Enough to get rushed from the airport.

[B]

Maybe. Maybe people are sick of me. They. They want you.

[A]

Well, have some Ask Jasmine of the Jasmine brand to come through.

[B]

I love, by the way. She's gonna be great in that role. I really loved her. She was so charming. Everyone liked her. But it's not. That doesn't replace you.

[A]

No, but just have her come in, you know, Listen, it feels good to be irreplaceable.

[B]

I mean, calm down, Beyonce, but hit that button.

[C]

All right, bye, guys.

[A]

Are we out of here? Show's over.

[C]

Hit the like button.

[B]

Got a lot to do today.

[A]

Ah, come on.

[B]

Are we still gonna hit a hundred thousand by July 1st?

[A]

No, we failed it. Hit King Lou with the button.

[C]

We're like at 78 or 70.

[B]

No, we're like 75.

[C]

75.

[B]

Yeah, we gotta up our numbers in the. In the YouTuber.

[A]

What happened, guys? I thought we were on a roll. What happened? Everybody was so confident. What happened?

[C]

We're growing just a little slow.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

It is hard you being like a slo impression.

[A]

What happened? Daddy, where you going, Daddy?

[B]

Daddy, where you going, Daddy?

[A]

Daddy, where you going, Daddy? Daddy, where you going, Daddy? I got to record her saying we just got it.

[B]

And I need. I need Maya's. I've been trying to get Maya's wow all. Her wow is the best when you show her something she hasn't seen in a while and she goes, wow.

[A]

Oh, and that reminds me, I got to get salasses. That's fire.

[B]

No, there's a. That's fire.

[A]

That's fire. So, like, because we get. You know, I get sneakers and things, and I'll open it up, and Jazz will go, oh, those are fire. So one day, Selassie goes, that's fire.

[B]

I'm gonna try to go give Maya this jacket right now and see if I can get a wow out of her.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

That'll be crazy.

[A]

A good wow. And that's fire. And What? What happened? What happened? What happened? Yo, man, I'm out. Family Friday. Tomorrow, we'll talk about more about the kids and the family. Just don't call it a podcast.