150.) Nolan Wells Update + Ebro vs The Kids (7/28/26)

Summary

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The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show

Episode 150: Nolan Wells Update + Ebro vs The Kids (7/28/26)
Date: July 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around two major themes:

• The ongoing saga of playground politics—conflicts and etiquette among parents and their young children—with the hosts sharing heated anecdotes about confrontations at parks and slides.
• An in-depth, emotionally charged update on the mysterious death of Nolan Wells, featuring independent journalist Kevin Ortega Rojas ("Here's Why Kevin"). The team dives into new information, autopsy reports, conspiracy theories, problems with the investigation, and deep-seated racial anxieties, reflecting fears about justice for Black victims in America.

Additional segments include cultural news (ODB Street naming, the Bleek vs. G-Unit debate), listener calls about parenting, a tribute to competitive eater Joey Chestnut, and the latest on the Celeste Rivas murder case.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Playground Politics & "Ebro vs The Kids"

[00:19-13:45]

The hosts open with a lively, often exasperated conversation about modern playgrounds, bad parenting, and whether parents should intervene when kids tussle or misbehave.

• Ebro's Dilemma: Should parents mediate playground disputes or let kids “figure it out”? ("Am I bugging?" [03:01])
• Racial Undertones: Ebro confesses discomfort when his Black daughter is targeted by a white child, and the white parent fails to intervene:

  "So you just gonna let your white kid feel like it could just bully the Black kid at the park?" (Ebro, [02:15])

• Playground Etiquette:
  • Laura recounts similar slide struggles:

    "The slide thing is one that's happened to me twice...The mom is watching him and not saying anything, and I'm asking him to get down, and he's looking at me like, nope. So after a while, Kenza's like, mom, I'm gonna go down. I said, yep, go ahead. And she slammed right into him." (Laura, [03:01])

  • Rosenberg’s fears as a new parent:

    "The slide seems like the Wild West." (Rosenberg, [04:28])

  • Ebro on aggressive "slide guardians":

    "Why are you all up in the crevices of the slide with your big, fat ass?" ([04:28])

• Vacation Slide Drama: Ebro gets drawn into a kid-ruled water slide standoff with patriotic mullets and bullying 10-year-olds ("We were just. I was like, man, don't play on the slides, man. Y'all don't run these slides. I had to punk some kids." [08:15])
• Underlying Message: The lack of parental involvement creates rude, entitled children—a microcosm of bigger societal issues.

  "It's a microcosm of why we have a society the way we are. It absolutely is a mirror on society." (Ebro, [11:21])

Notable Quote

"If you're being a bitch in society, you got two options...You can go do something else or you could punch him in the face." (Ebro, [12:08])

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2. ODB Legacy & Brooklyn News

[14:04-18:32]

• The crew discovers the legendary lyric in ODB's "Brooklyn Zoo" is “in the G building, taking all types of medicine”—not "energy building".

  "No, bro, he's in the G building doing drugs." (Lauren, [14:33])

• Announcement: ODB gets Brooklyn street named after him (“ODB Jones Way”).
• Discussion spirals into alternate possible street names, reveling in ODB’s many aliases and Wu-Tang nostalgia.
• Unreleased ODB Roc-A-Fella album tracks circulate online: “Lift Your Skirt” w/ Missy Elliott, “Pop Shots,” “Fire Operator” (Clips x Neptunes), “Back in the Air” (feat. Ghost, prod. by RZA).

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3. Listener Calls: Parenting and Playground Etiquette

[18:43-29:14]

• Listeners (e.g., Marcel, Milagro) call in to back up Ebro and Laura: kids with special needs are extra vulnerable; bad parents are the main problem.

  "Imagine having a kid that's autistic, man...you definitely got to stand up..." (Marcel, [19:04])

• The “village” approach: extended family, aunts, uncles, even childless adults feel responsible for checking misbehaving kids.

  "Yes, I'm watching all the kids. If your kids acting up, I'm coming over there." (Milagro, [28:20])

• Teachers as secondary parents for unsupervised kids.

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4. Hip-Hop News & Debates

[29:41-37:41]

Jay Z Show Announcements

• New added dates for Jay Z shows in London and LA due to demand.

Memphis Bleek vs. G-Unit/Uncle Murda & Yayo Beef

• Back-and-forth over whether Bleek and Roc-A-Fella are financially dependent on Jay Z, vs. G-Unit on 50 Cent.

  "The only Bleek verse I ever like is the one Jay Z wrote." (Uncle Murda, [31:44]) "But what about the difference is work. We stand on our own two and they're all 50. They need 50 to eat. That was the whole thing." (Lauren, [33:35])

• Discussion mostly in a joking tone but touches on themes of loyalty, independence, and hip-hop ego.

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5. Nolan Wells Case: In-Depth Update

[41:08-61:15]
The central focus of the episode.

Special Guest: Kevin Ortega Rojas (“Here's Why Kevin”)

Breakdown:

• Independent Autopsy (funded by Colin Kaepernick's org, Tyler Perry paid for funeral)
  • No clear evidence of foul play; no fractures or major injuries, but decomposition from water exposure hinders certainty ([42:03]).
  • Missing tissue: Jackson County kept parts of throat for “further testing;” raises trust issues.

    "I never had trust. But the fact that you're keeping body parts..." (Ebro, [44:29])

• Complications & Suspicion
  • Friends are interviewed only by a Black MAGA podcaster—raises alarm:

    "So they decided the best place to go was to a conservative MAGA podcast..." (Ebro, [46:20])

  • Phone/tech inconsistencies: who had Nolan’s phone, GPS, and timelines are murky.
• Possibility of Grand Jury Whitewash
  • Investigation to be reviewed by a secret grand jury (12 of 15 required for indictment); evidence likely to remain sealed.
  • Doubt over possibility of real justice:

    "I don't think that we're going to get 12 people to rule that they should file indictment..." (Kevin, [53:41]) "But the fact that you went and sat down with a black MAGA podcast. I believe the audio now." (Ebro, [48:44])

• Community Distrust & Historical Context
  • Long tradition of southern cover-ups; Black grief and trauma compounded by lack of transparency.

    "Welcome to America, man. That's my point." (Ebro, [59:05])

  • Other chilling cases—e.g., Black women’s “suicides” by hanging, frequently dismissed.
  • Listeners and hosts alike voice a sense of hopelessness and fear of more “official” injustice.

Notable Quotes

"What is most frustrating about the Nolan Wells case is it feels like they're playing in your face when they're like, we're doing an investigation. You'll never hear about it, but we promise we're doing something." (Kevin, [59:31])

"Like, I want y'all to really soak that up when everybody get to talking about what's going on in the United States, man." (Ebro, [66:42])

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6. Other Segments & Memorable Moments

Joey Chestnut Hot Dog Antics

[26:10-27:36]

• The hosts react to Joey Chestnut’s latest "9 inches of meat" ad spot, with plenty of juvenile humor about competitive eating, fame, and hustling for sponsorships.

Celeste Rivas Murder Case Update

[37:41-39:14]

• Update on the grim ongoing murder trial of David (no last name provided), charged in the death and long-term sexual abuse of Celeste Rivas.

Cardi B / “Barty Gang” Teaser

[39:43-40:06]

• Excitement over Cardi B previewing a new track.

Guru Segment: Messy Friend Drama

[61:18-65:42]

• Listener letter updates reveal a messy “best friend slept with my ex-wife/baby mama” saga, with both sides getting their say.

  “Light it up, Ebro. Burn it down, move on, Bob Doe. Keep doing your music thing. And for the love of God, these people don't give a damn about your feelings.” (Laura, [65:33])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Playground Politics & Racial Tensions: [00:19–13:45]
• ODB / Street Naming & Music: [14:04–18:32]
• Parenting Calls: [18:43–29:14]
• Hip-Hop Beef: Bleek vs. G-Unit/Yayo: [29:41–37:41]
• Celeste Rivas Case: [37:41–39:14]
• Cardi B Preview: [39:43–40:06]
• Nolan Wells Deep Dive with Kevin Ortega Rojas: [41:08–61:15]
• Guru Letters (Messy Friend Drama): [61:18–65:42]

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Tone & Takeaways

• The tone swings between outrage, sarcasm, and exhaustion—especially on playground and racial justice topics.
• Humor is woven throughout, even in serious contexts, but the core message is clear: systemic indifference and cover-ups are ongoing, and it's exhausting and frightening for Black communities, especially parents.
• The show provides cultural commentary that feels deeply personal, offering catharsis, skepticism, and space for hard truths.

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Notable Quotes

• On Playground Justice:

  “You gotta teach kids how to interact so they can have, like, politeness and, you know, empathy and learn how to share. And these things take adults participation.” (Ebro, [28:35])

• On Nolan Wells Case:

  "There is a reason to it, which I'll get to in a second. But I do think it's important...it does seem as if Jackson County, Mississippi is hindering their independent investigation by not allowing you to even look at things that would let you get to an end result." (Kevin, [45:21])

• On U.S. Racial History:

  "Black folks are still getting hung from trees, man. With no answers." (Ebro, [66:53])

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For those who missed it:
This episode is a real-time window into parenting anxieties, cultural beefs, and the urgent, unresolved grief of a Black community wrestling with another suspicious death. The hosts balance worldly wariness and comedy with empathy and deep anger, all while emphasizing the importance of vigilance, community, and keeping the pressure on for truth—even when the odds seem rigged.

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Transcript

[Ebro Darden]

Just don't call it a podcast, Okay?

[Lauren Sisler]

Morning.

[Laura Styles]

Good morning. Good morning.

[Ebro Darden]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get a Nolan Wells update today from. Here's why, Kevin. We're also going to take your phone calls. 8, 4, 4, ELR. ELR 3. Because I got a question. Am I bugging? You know, I got a toddler. We're back in the park. It's a. A repeat situation for the old man. You know, I did it once with Issa already. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Lauren Sisler]

Where. Years ago. Years ago.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. But, you know, you have to check, like, parents, man. You gotta, like, the parents are, like, a lot of parents out here. And that's why I'm asking the question, am I bugging? Yes. Kids get into things with each other, fine. Parents are supposed to mediate before it becomes a thing.

[Laura Styles]

That's right.

[Ebro Darden]

If your kid is crawling up the wrong way on the slide and kids are trying to go down the slide, the parent.

[Lauren Sisler]

Honey, no, no. Get off, stupid. Don't do that.

[Ebro Darden]

That's right. You see what I'm saying? When the parent. But when the parent doesn't do that. Rosenberg. And you have to speak to someone else's child, how long do you wait? Like, there's that kind of, like, window. We're at the park the other day, Selassie found a toy nobody was playing with. It was tucked over by some fence or something. I don't know. Maybe a kid left it behind. She goes, oh, it's like a little lawnmower. So she's pushing it around the playground.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Then one of her friends from school comes over and tries to muscle her. Like, kind of nudge her off the handle and grab it. So there's kind of like a. Yeah. Small tussle. But the dad is standing in the other girl's dad, he's just watching. So. And y' all know me. You guys have known me for a long time. Other dad is white.

[Lauren Sisler]

Oh.

[Ebro Darden]

I immediately. I immediately start thinking, okay, so you just gonna let your white kid feel like it could just bully the black kid at the park? But I ain't say nothing. So I. Wait a second. It's kind of little exchange. Selassie sticking up for herself. Like, no, it's mine. No. And then the dad finally steps in. But I had these kind of hot flashes.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. I've been there. I've been there.

[Ebro Darden]

You know, Issa Selassie's mom is there. She kind of steps in, too, to be like, hey. So, like, after you know, a little second. Hey, Salasa, you can share if you want to share, but you have this feeling of like, why am I telling my kid to be the nice kid? The other parent ain't telling their kid to be the nice kid.

[Laura Styles]

I know, I know. It's.

[Ebro Darden]

Am I. Am I bugging?

[Laura Styles]

No. It's one of the playground things that really boils my blood. The slide thing is one that's happened to me twice. Kenza and all these other smaller little children trying to go down the slide. This little boy's climbing up. The mom is watching him and not saying anything, and I'm asking him to get down, and he's looking at me like, nope. So after a while, Kenza's like, mom, I'm gonna go down. I said, yep, go ahead. And she slammed right into him. And then the mom gets up. He's like, don't kick my son.

[Ebro Darden]

No, your son's getting kicked, lady. You should have got him off the slide.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, but it's like, yo, some parents don't care. They don't care.

[Ebro Darden]

It makes me want to argue. Makes it makes you want to go at one of these parents, man, like, and really be like, yo, what the f is wrong with you, bro? Yeah, Rosenberg, you're on your way.

[Laura Styles]

I know. I'm like, you hit the park? What's going on?

[Lauren Sisler]

I've. I've barely. I've barely. I don't have a lot of park experience. The. The nanny is probably doing more time at the park. And I'll tell you, so far, that's what I'm comfortable with, because I'm not ready. I'll be honest. I'm not. I don't think I'm ready yet. I. This. These interactions scare me. I need to ease my way in. I've been a couple times, and Maya's been very, very sweet, and she just takes her time, and she. You know, she's still among the younger kids at the park, so she just kind of watches, and she hasn't really gotten involved in anything. But I'm not going to lie. I listen to the horror stories, and it scares the hell out of me. The slide seems like the Wild West.

[Ebro Darden]

No slide can be the. Yo, Selassie is going to get on the slide, okay? And there's this overweight mom sitting at the entrance to the slide. Why are you all up in the crevices of the slide with your big, fat ass? So I walk. Selassie's climbing up. And, you know, Selassie's pretty well managed. She's like, excuse me, and has to, like, narrow by a parent because you're fat.

[Lauren Sisler]

You're too big. That's not nice. Now you're not being nice.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah, bro, you're too big.

[Lauren Sisler]

No, she shouldn't be sitting there. You're allowed to be big. You're not allowed to be big and

[Ebro Darden]

blocking well, but you're not allowed to be big. And on a kids, this isn't even the big park. This is the baby part, which is worse. Why are you sitting there? Like, if you're seeing another kid who's like, you know. You know how kids kind of get distracted and they're playing with some little, you know, some little steering wheel in the corner next. Next to the slide. You're supposed to stand next to your kid. If you're worried about your kid, maybe isn't ready for prime time, but you're not supposed to sit at the steps like you're the guardian of the. Yo. Speaking of getting into it with kids, I didn't even tell y' all this. We was on vacation, okay? Over Fourth of July. And the place we go every year, vacation, has a water park for the kids, and they have, like, a couple of water slots. Mm. And so I hear Issa and her cousins talking about, yeah, there's some kids at the top asking us what slide we wanna go on. I was like, huh? What do you mean? Now, mind you, the hair on my neck was already up because there was another family of about eight to 10 people that had, like, the American flag bikinis on and the mullets and all that. So I was already on awareness, you know what I'm saying? Head on a swivel. Fourth of July, we. And by the way, we out of the country. So I'm like, why are they going so hard? Why they so Americaed out?

[Lauren Sisler]

And real quick, I just want to get a confirmation here. You said it's a family, Laura. I'm just trying to catch all this. A family full of mullets. Does that mean everyone in the family had a mullet?

[Ebro Darden]

Well, it's a family of mullets. If there's more than three.

[Lauren Sisler]

And you're telling us there are more than three.

[Ebro Darden]

More than three mullets. Long goatees. Definitely some motorcycle memory, you know, kind of paraphernalia on a hat or two. And all in American flag koozies to keep your beer warm. Merka. Okay? Air was already kind of like. You pay attention here.

[Laura Styles]

All right, so what happened?

[Ebro Darden]

So when I hear this, I'm like, let me go I want to get on the slide now. And you know, adults can ride the slides with their kids. You know, it's kind of for everybody. So I get to the top, me and Jazz go up, I get to the top of the slide and I hear, boy, sit down. And Jazz looks around the corner and. And the kids, one of the kids, and they probably like 10, is telling another 10 year old that he has to sit down cuz he can't get on the slide. So they're like bullying kids at the top of the slide to like control the slot. So Jazz is like, are, are you. Do you guys know each other? Are you guys friends? And the kids were like, well, yeah, now he's my friend. We riding the slides, trying to like mouth off the jazz now, bro. The kid turns to me, was like, what slides you want to get on? So I'm going, get on whatever slide I want to get on.

[Lauren Sisler]

Oh, okay. All right, all right.

[Laura Styles]

So then what happened?

[Ebro Darden]

And the kid was like, well, we were just. I was like, man, don't play on the slides, man. Y' all don't run these slides. I had to punk some kids.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yo, what is. Yo, Ibro, what's wrong with you, bro?

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, I think slides. And the kid had like a little gold chain on. I was about to snatch his little chain.

[Lauren Sisler]

No, you were how old, kid?

[Ebro Darden]

I thought about it.

[Laura Styles]

No, you were not how old.

[Ebro Darden]

Am I kidding? 11. You know how I feel. He'd be 13 soon enough. He can get punched.

[Laura Styles]

Rosenberg, you haven't been here yet.

[Ebro Darden]

Now you watch. Watch.

[Laura Styles]

You're gonna be.

[Ebro Darden]

You're gonna run into a 12, 13 year old, tall as you, trying to get an attitude. Watch.

[Laura Styles]

No, listen, Laura, bully the little ones,

[Lauren Sisler]

but Laura, I hear you. The only thing that I'm putting my, you know, my. Have a little bit of concern on here is this didn't have to do with Ebro's kids at all. This is a bunch of kids.

[Ebro Darden]

My kid, my kids had a little running at the top. I'm up there with Issa. I needed her to see like, don't be afraid of these kids, man. Tell them you getting on whatever slide you want to get on. My. My little nephew was there a couple other kids.

[Laura Styles]

And it's very hard when you're up there and you see other smaller kids getting bullied. You will say something. I know you. You're going to say something.

[Lauren Sisler]

Laura, I agree with you 100%. I'm not questioning me, I'm questioning Ebro. Okay? This isn't about me. This is about Ebro. I'm worried. Ebro was actually the bully of the whole sl.

[Ebro Darden]

I'm never. I'm. I only retaliate. I'm only. I'm very big. If everybody's being polite, I'm being polite too. You guys know me better than that. Everybody's being polite. But yeah, no. So this was just yesterday. No, day before yesterday. So Sunday, Sunday at the park with Selassie. So the question is for Y', all. 8, 4, 4, ELR. ELR 3. Get some phones going today. Am I bugging one to be like, super waiting for a parent to manage a situation, or are you one of the parents that think kids are supposed to just figure it out? I think kids are supposed to figure it out when they're like 8 to 12. Two year olds need mediation. Four year olds need mediation. You don't just let them get into a tug of war over a toy at three, four years old.

[Lauren Sisler]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

You don't just let another kid get pushed by another kid when they're that. That young. No, you don't do that. And you definitely teach a kid etiquette.

[Laura Styles]

You have to.

[Lauren Sisler]

Well, people don't. I'll tell you the. The only one bad experience I've had in my limited experience so far. I told you guys about when we were at the park and I want. And Maya was trying to get in the little tiny swings for the little babies. And there were 10 year olds or like 8, 9 year olds shoving their whole body inside the little tiny person's swing. And they had adults there watching them. And you see that there's a little kid who this swing is designed for, waiting. What are you doing?

[Ebro Darden]

That's exact. But see, this is it. That's exactly it. Where you look over at the parents like, hey, yo, these your kids?

[Laura Styles]

Yeah. Welcome to the jungle, Rosenberg.

[Lauren Sisler]

Facts.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and it's a microcosm of why we have a society the way we are. It absolutely is a mirror on society.

[Lauren Sisler]

Facts.

[Ebro Darden]

Because you have people out here letting their kids run loose, reckless. Nobody's managing them. You're not stepping in. Your kids is gonna be one of them kids.

[Lauren Sisler]

And then what's going to happen later in life? What are they going to be when they're going to get punched in the face?

[Ebro Darden]

Then you got like the kid with Laura Styles and Kenza, don't hit him. We'll get his punk ass off the slide. Or he getting hit, had the nerve

[Laura Styles]

to say, don't hit my son. I'm like looking at her like,

[Lauren Sisler]

I

[Laura Styles]

was like, hey, we asked him to move multiple times.

[Ebro Darden]

You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, if you're being a bitch in society, you got two options as the person who is the, you know, being affected by somebody else's assness. You can go do something else or you could punch him in the face. Especially if they know they being a.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, but the worst of the parents, man, like them watching and not doing anything. That's really the problem.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it, guys. Yeah, I Every. When, when, when our nanny takes Maya out and she'll send us little photos here and there. Every photo we get has me tearing up. Like Maya's reading a book by herself. I'm like, look at her. She's just sitting down reading a book by herself. Oh, and then I saw one yesterday. It was a video. They were in a pretend little kitchen and Maya's making pretend food and she's making corn. Maya loves corn in real life. And another little kid comes over and takes her pretend corn.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, man.

[Lauren Sisler]

And I see Maya's sweet face just turn and look and she just goes in. Her eyes. I saw why she take my corn. But she's a sweetheart, you know, she sits there and she's pensive about it and that's it. But every moment scares me. And, you know, I want to make sure I push myself to give her all the experiences she should get. But also, I'm not gonna lie, guys. Interacting in the world with these punk ass little kids like Kenzo was talking about back in the day, dealing with these kids and parents, does it freaks me out a bit?

[Ebro Darden]

Where is my FD's kill kids?

[Lauren Sisler]

Yo, guys. Ebro, I have kids. Ebro, we've waited long enough. I have huge news.

[Ebro Darden]

All right, here we go. Let me see. Hang on, let me see if I have any breaking news. Sounders, here we go.

[Lauren Sisler]

This is huge news.

[Laura Styles]

Exciting.

[Lauren Sisler]

I was today years old when I knew that on the song. I think about every single day of my life. Brooklyn Zoo, ODB says in the G building, taking all types of medicine. Did you know that? I always thought it was energy building.

[Ebro Darden]

I did think it was energy building. Like, he's building up his energy.

[Lauren Sisler]

No, bro, he's in the G building doing drugs.

[Laura Styles]

Oh, my God.

[Ebro Darden]

I was like, yo, I ain't in the nice.

[Lauren Sisler]

No, I. I posted about it yesterday. And then I see the comments people writing in the G building. I'm like, in the G building. What? And then I looked and I'm like, this makes perfect sense. In the G Building.

[Laura Styles]

So stupid.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, speaking of odb, do we have photos? ODB street is official. Shout out to Chiyo. Say who? I saw it on his Instagram. You know, there it is. ODB Jones Way Brooklyn.

[Laura Styles]

That's dope.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Wow,

[Laura Styles]

love that.

[Lauren Sisler]

I'm deciding I want to have a serious conversation. Number one, well deserved. Amazing. I love it. I wish I had been there. Number two, can we take a moment and decide whether ODB Jones was the best name for the street? We have a lot of options, obviously. I understand that old dirty bastard wasn't going to go. No, I get it. That one wasn't in the conversation. But there's Russell Jones. There's Dirt McGurk.

[Ebro Darden]

But what about Russell ODB Jones way?

[Lauren Sisler]

That I might. I think I prefer that. What about Big Baby Jesus Way?

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, probably not.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah.

[Lauren Sisler]

What about Dirt Dog Road?

[Ebro Darden]

What about ASAN Unique Way?

[Lauren Sisler]

See, see, now we're having a conversation, though. For real. Like Ason street kind of works.

[Laura Styles]

All right, we got. You want to watch video?

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, let's see. What do you got? There it is. Odb jones way.

[Lauren Sisler]

I love it.

[Ebro Darden]

In the g building.

[Lauren Sisler]

In the g building. Oh, and they're playing brooklyn zoo.

[Ebro Darden]

Exactly. Look at chi chi ose out there.

[Lauren Sisler]

Wow, that's fire. They're playing Brooklyn Zoo.

[Ebro Darden]

There it is, the G Building. Yo, that flow on Brooklyn Zoo is so crazy, bro.

[Lauren Sisler]

And then the other day I saw.

[Ebro Darden]

And by the way, I got my Woo. Killer Bees Gore Tex on today. Just coincidentally,

[Lauren Sisler]

the other day online, I saw that 92 bricks posted just randomly, a post about old dirty bastards unreleased Roc A Fella album. And this is the tracks that were on the unreleased album that we know were made. Lift your skirt featuring Missy, produced by Mark Ronson.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay,

[Lauren Sisler]

we all know this record because it actually came out. Pop shots featuring Lil Fama Mop produced by Premier. That one's. That one's more easily available. Fire Operator featuring clips produced by the Neptunes.

[Ebro Darden]

Whoa. Where's that at?

[Laura Styles]

Wow.

[Lauren Sisler]

Back in the air featuring Ghostface, produced by rza.

[Ebro Darden]

So somebody has this on a hard drive somewhere is what you tell them.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yeah, I wonder. I'm gonna look right now on YouTube. I wonder how many are on YouTube right now, because you never know.

[Ebro Darden]

They might be out. What you got over there on the phone lines there, Griff? We got two different people on the phone lines.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Let's go to Marcel first.

[Lauren Sisler]

Hopefully he's still on.

[Laura Styles]

All right, Marcel.

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, Marcel, did we lose you? Are you still on? 08:44 ELR ELR 3. Good morning. Good morning. Talk to me. Marcel, on your side. Wholeheartedly, E, bro. Okay. Imagine having a kid that's autistic, man. God bless. And he's at the.

[Lauren Sisler]

He's at the playground trying to play,

[Ebro Darden]

and these kids are trying to bully him. You definitely got to stand up because, you know, his social interactions are not all the way there. Right, right. Definitely got to stand up.

[Lauren Sisler]

And these kids are, like, disrespectful, man.

[Ebro Darden]

They be bullies. It's like, you gotta be kidding me. You fresh out. You fresh out. You new here.

[Lauren Sisler]

You new to this?

[Ebro Darden]

Like, what are you doing? Well, and not only that. Like, I'm in the process of teaching, you know, Selassie, her mom is too. Like, yo, somebody hits you, you hit him back harder. You know, like, we not doing that. Oh. Just taking smacks to the face. But getting the kid to get in that mode. Now, Selassie will still. I've seen her stand up for herself against me, her sister. No, mine. Or at the park. Like, somebody. Even with the little lawnmower situation, the girl was trying to take it. Selassie wasn't taking her hands off it. So she. She got a little dog in her. I just gotta figure out how to get the bark a little bit better. She got a little dog, you know, I just need her to have a better bark a little bit. You know what I'm saying? The same thing. I try to teach my son the same thing, but he's so nice. He doesn't want to hurt no one. One doesn't want her to fly. So I get his cousins around to be like, hey, look, you gotta stick up for your cousin, because I respect it. So nice and gentle and peaceful. Well, you know, Issa, I was ne. I have never been able. Issa is, like, you know, big and strong and bigger than, you know, and stronger, most athletic than most boys her age, let alone the girls. And so I haven't been able to teach her to go full Dragon Ball Z on them yet. You know what I mean? Like, I was never able to get. She don't have that switch. Even though she's, like, quiet competitive and just will be like, you know what? Or like, she'll be like, daddy, I don't want to hurt anybody. Like, she's conscious of her strength. Yeah, but when she was young, like, Selassie, the way she would mangle her cousins. I've seen her Mango Boys like, mush. All in the face, all in the couch. Like, all of that wrestling in the park. She had his one cousin, man, she body slammed him in the park in front of his parents. I was like, yo, stop playing with her. But she don't have the bar, you know, So I want Salassi to have a bark because the bark actually keeps you away from having to bite somebody. Yeah. You know, thanks for your call, man. Thank you very much, man. Parents. And the question was, am I bugging? Because these kids at the park. What do you got there, Griffin? Good morning, West. Hey, what's going on, man? Am I bugging, man? These kid are. These kids at the park need. Need parenting. Cuz they like. I feel like I get pushed too far by these kids and these parents.

[Lauren Sisler]

So the phone line is very horrible. So I see what the frustration y' all be having.

[Ebro Darden]

But what I was saying about the parent is.

[Lauren Sisler]

And this goes out to roast as well, because we're all generations of hip hop. Just listen to mop all day.

[Ebro Darden]

And anything they say through the opposite.

[Lauren Sisler]

Wait, are you sure?

[Ebro Darden]

It depends on the scenario, though. I just say do the opposite, because

[Lauren Sisler]

what they say, if it ain't locked

[Ebro Darden]

down, it's a go.

[Lauren Sisler]

You don't want to be throwing around

[Ebro Darden]

no slides out there.

[Laura Styles]

Thank you.

[Ebro Darden]

Thanks for your call. West, not Rosenberg. Your time will come. Yeah, your time will come. And all you can do really is look at the parents. It's kind of. You give them a look like, are you gonna do anything here? Do you want me to say something? Because I don't want my kid in the. That's the real thing. I don't want to see another kid pushing around my kid.

[Laura Styles]

You definitely got a Zen. Zen, Zen, bro. You have to. You have to arrest. Because there's many times where I just visualize myself grabbing somebody and tossing them. I can't do that. No, can't do that.

[Ebro Darden]

I want to see old school styles though, back.

[Laura Styles]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Lauren Sisler]

We can't bring that back. We can't bring it back.

[Laura Styles]

So what I do is try to communicate. And if they don't communicate, I be like, go ahead, Kenza, just kick them in the face.

[Ebro Darden]

If you're paying attention. In the Tri State. Do you have the CNN report, weather report that dropped this morning? About the next couple of days out here in the Tri State. Let's check it out.

[Lauren Sisler]

An unusually strong storm system will get stuck across the Northeast this week, bringing flood threats for major metros across the busy i95 corridor. This setup with an intense but slow moving storm basically stalling over the Northeast is normally something we see in wintertime, the kind that brings blockbuster winter storms to the region. But now with the dog days of summer providing so much heat and humidity in the air, we're on the lookout for flooding. And it'll come in two different varieties over the next several days. First will be flash flooding resulting from torrential downpours and strong thunderstorms. We expect those in the afternoon and evening hours on Tuesday into Wednesday morning. These are the one to two quick inches that can come in a single hour, quickly overpowering urban infrastructure and drainage capable of sweeping away cars from flooded roads. But we could also be dealing with more widespread flooding as we get this slow moving storm system bringing round after round of rainfall every day this week, piling up 4 to 6 inches. More than a month's worth of rain in just the next three days over the Northeast and New England.

[Ebro Darden]

A month's worth of rain in three days, guys. And Rosenberg, where are you? Connecticut.

[Lauren Sisler]

At this moment I'm in Connecticut. I think I'll be back in the city by. By one.

[Ebro Darden]

How do you do the Connecticut thing? You drive or you take the train? How's your.

[Lauren Sisler]

I got a. I got a car today that picked me up.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay.

[Lauren Sisler]

And then I'll. I'll get that back and then I'll go. I'm gonna go home, see the baby for a minute, try to get it together. And then I got to go downtown to go to espn.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, so you're gonna be on these rainy roads, my guy.

[Lauren Sisler]

What time. So what time is it expected to hit? Early afternoon.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, tonight. Well, they're saying to. You said one o', clock, Griff. One o'.

[Laura Styles]

Clock.

[Ebro Darden]

Something starts to pull up and then into tonight, I think is where the flash flooding gets into tomorrow and then every day for the next. So you have tonight, tomorrow, then Wednesday and then Thursday, bro, just like rain. So, yeah, and you know how much flooding? The train stations and different, you know, parkways up in Westchester and different things. We've had sinkholes. Queens in Brooklyn keep flooding. Sinkholes. Sinkholes.

[Laura Styles]

Shut up, heroes.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Stop.

[Lauren Sisler]

Honestly, Stop, you troll. Yo. But no, but he's not. But he's not wrong. And he. And this, and this is now. Every time there's a bad storm, it seems like something insane happens.

[Ebro Darden]

So, I mean, buckle up, party people. Buckle up. Now, Rosenberg, on your algorithm, you have someone taking 9 inches of meat to the gullet.

[Laura Styles]

That's our friend.

[Lauren Sisler]

It wasn't even the algorithm. It was just Joey Chestnut posting crazy things.

[Ebro Darden]

Let's take a look.

[Laura Styles]

Joey.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Oh, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Why do you have to go? Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Sisler]

Oh, my God, it's looking beautiful. Two pounds of beef, bacon, cheese, lettuce, tomato.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

This is like 9 inches of meat in my mouth.

[Lauren Sisler]

I'm gonna start the clock and see how long it takes.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Polish this thing off.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yo, my man, what are we doing?

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, how much money you think Joey Chestnut has made over the years, guys? You think he's a millionaire? Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Sisler]

Not so much that he. That he. Not so much that he doesn't have to do the commercial for 9 inches of meat in your mouth.

[Laura Styles]

He's welcoming all the meats.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yeah.

[Laura Styles]

Apparently, for those of you who don't know who Joey Chestnut is, he's been like, the hot doggy champion of the Nathan's contest in Coney island for how many years? 16 times. Yeah.

[Lauren Sisler]

Honestly, I think Joey probably has to work to, like, you know, I think he's a working man for real. Like, I think it's probably not a seven figure kind of job. I think. I think it's a. I think he's got to grind it out each year and do the content, you know, and do the. He doesn't just do Nathan's like, he has to do a bunch of other stuff now. He gets his sponsorship money. Hopefully if he's invested, he's good. But I don't think people are pouring money into food contests like that.

[Ebro Darden]

Got it. Let's go. You got Milagro on the phone line. Milagros. Hi.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Good morning.

[Ebro Darden]

Good morning, Milagro. Thanks for joining ELR everybody else. 844 ELR. ELR. 3. Happy Birthday to Milagro. Guys, friend of the show.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Hey.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes, shot. And shout out to Laura for hooking me up with the recommendation for Vic.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Mr.

[Ebro Darden]

Shirt.

[Laura Styles]

I got one.

[Ebro Darden]

There you go.

[Laura Styles]

Nice.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, what shirt? The Vic Men, sir.

[Laura Styles]

The jersey. Oh, yeah, the Vic Mena jersey.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, yo, that liberation jersey I wore, I wore it to the pool this weekend. Shout out to Vic Men for that.

[Laura Styles]

Yes, we love Vic.

[Ebro Darden]

Now, Milagro, you was hearing us talk about kids in the park. You had something you wanted to add? Oh, yes. No, I'm totally with it. I'm not a parent, but I definitely am an auntie. And so, yes, I'm watching all the kids. If your kids acting up, I'm coming over there.

[Laura Styles]

Okay. That's right.

[Ebro Darden]

That's what you know, this is a village around here as soon as you come in. Well, and that's why I asked the question this morning. Thank you, Milagro. Am I bugging? Because it feels like parents think they can just let their kids just loose at the playground and there's no mediation, no supervision. It's just like, oh, kids will be kids. Nah, bro. You gotta teach kids how to interact so they can have, like, you know, politeness and, you know, empathy and learn how to share. And these things take adults participation. I guess this is how also how teacher teachers feel, too, to some degree.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Where parents just drop their kids off at school and you ain't doing nothing with your children at home, and you expect school to, like, parent your children.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah. God bless those teachers, especially, like, middle school and high school. They go through it. It's bad. Have you ever seen those videos when they're like, you can't have your phone in the classroom and they have a complete meltdown?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

No, it's wild. Yeah, it's wild.

[Laura Styles]

Scary.

[Ebro Darden]

Laurel, you're working on the rundown. It's time to start it. Let's get it popping.

[Laura Styles]

Let's do it. All right, so Jay Z previously announced shows in Los Angeles and in London, and now, thanks to Demand, he's adding an extra date to each city.

[Ebro Darden]

Wow.

[Laura Styles]

So on September 4th, he's gonna perform in London, and he's doing the SoFi Stadium October 23rd. So they're still, you know, they're adding shows to each one.

[Ebro Darden]

There you go.

[Laura Styles]

So some good news for fans. Whoever, you know, didn't get lucky enough to snatch up a ticket in those areas.

[Ebro Darden]

So, speaking of. Speaking of Jay Z Rosenberg, are you able to follow this Tony Yayo, Uncle Murder, Memphis Bleak, back and forth? Do you have any insight? Oh, no.

[Lauren Sisler]

I mean, all I saw was that when Bleak was doing his media run right after the Yankee Stadium shows, a conversation came up about how bleak. About how G Unit talked about how Bleak was treated by hov. And Bleak really turns it into a. Hey, it's not. Not turned it into. But his response was, hey, it's not about how HOV treats me. Like, why people always asking about what HOV does for me. Like, what he did was set us all up to win, so we're good, and I make money doing X, Y and Z. And then he went on to say, the thing about G Unit is, you know, Yayo and those guys, according to Bleak, there he was calling them dependents. They're $0.50 dependents, and they can't basically do anything. And it got nasty from there.

[Ebro Darden]

Got it. And so now. Yeah, and then I saw. Let's. Let's look at this clip here. This is Uncle Murder and Yayo talking to Gilly the kid and wallow million dollars worth of game. Well, clip 10

[Lauren Sisler]

hold up, man.

[Ebro Darden]

And the only Bleak verse I ever like is the one that Jay Z wrote. The only Bleak verse I ever like is the one that Jay Z wrote. I ain't never like a bleak verse that he wrote by himself. Out of here. Because ain't no Memphis Bleak fans like that neither. Why are you standing like that now? I'm just saying back to that.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

I'm just.

[Ebro Darden]

I'm dead serious. Bitcoin for bitcoin bank account for bank account and business statements for business statements. And we could do it next week. Week. And let's check the transactions. You know you can scratch it out so nobody w. Nobody nothing. Let's see how much money really got. And check the safe. Cuz we got the safe money too. I got it safe in the crib. And I just took my kids first class flights on Disney. We was in Disney World. I do with the kids. It was me 2017 kids. Are we deucing. Wait a minute. Wait.

[Lauren Sisler]

I missed that part. I never heard that line.

[Ebro Darden]

No. Murder got a chill. First of all, I don't even believe Murder believes what he's saying. The only Bleak verse you like. Stop.

[Lauren Sisler]

And I don't know what he meant if he meant coming of age. But nah. Bleak's got Bleak has verses on a

[Ebro Darden]

lot of big records. Be barring it up. Why? Why is this happening now? Wait. Run it back again. Tell me again.

[Lauren Sisler]

Because people asked Bleak. People sort of suggested that Bleak is like dependent on hov or and maybe the conversation came originally from maybe Louie. Louie. Did it come originally from Yayo and Murda

[Ebro Darden]

Lou Lou doesn't know. Did the conversation start with Yayo and Murder or did it start with Bleak on the Breakfast Club? It started with Bleak on the Breakfast Club.

[Lauren Sisler]

Club started with so yeah. So Bleak really went there on this whole. Nah. The difference is work. We stand on our own two and they're all 50. They need 50 to eat. That was the whole thing.

[Ebro Darden]

Got it.

[Lauren Sisler]

But then Murder just went crazy. And it's funny because it was more. It was really about Yayo. But Murder went yo. The we went. I we went to Disney. Is the insane.

[Ebro Darden]

We need drops yo this I. I' ma just watch and see how this plays out. Rashan, you look like you wanted to say something. Also we got Yayo response as well. That one was a little bit more spicy. Murder was just going off crazy.

[Laura Styles]

More spicy.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. Let's watch it more spicy. And the glazing award goes to Memphis Bleak. Memphis Bleak. Right. Did an interview. They've been clipping it up on social media, you know what I mean?

[Lauren Sisler]

I seen a clip where you said,

[Ebro Darden]

you don't think that Jay looks out for them over there, like 50 look out for y'. All. And let me explain that to you, like. Cause are flipping and bouncing like 50 pay a bills or pay a taxes, right? What I'm saying by that is, like, we're in rooms like with Tillman just own the Houston Rockets.

[Lauren Sisler]

We.

[Ebro Darden]

We in rooms with niggas. We met said this guy owns the whole Brazil. We're in them rooms. So when you look at Bleak, do you see Bleak at the All White? Do you see him at Mike Rubin party? You ever seen him there? I never went to one. I don't know. You never seen him there, right? I don't know. 50 puts me and murder in rooms that niggas could never get in. Like, I done met everybody from Jim Carrey to the Kardashians to whoever you want to name in the game. I done met niggas when I go to the Garden. I, Patrick Ewan, know me. John Starks, know me. We're one of the most biggest groups in the world. All I'm saying is you don't. When. When he talks, he says he has a restaurant, Right? But Jay didn't want to come, right? We got a dispensary. You think 15 slide by there? No, I'm saying the unit dispensary. We own a dispensary. We own businesses, too. Wait, and Rahsaan. You said that that was spicy.

[Lauren Sisler]

Oh, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Converter was just saying wild stuff. He actually was, like, kind of taking some shots. Oh, my definition of spicy was more what Uncle Murder did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had more energy. I think Spicy and energy is And. And accusatory. That was more. But regardless, I just see.

[Laura Styles]

Look. I see Bleak traveling the world with his family. Like, I see him in different countries enjoying time with his daughter and his wife. And, like, I just. Just because he's not at these parties, maybe he doesn't want to be.

[Ebro Darden]

All I know is they all got more money than me, and they all seem like they're doing pretty good.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yeah. Like, what are we? Everything.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't even really know what we're. And I don't think that either party knows really, the inner workings of each other. Each other's thing.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yeah. Sidekick versus sidekick.

[Laura Styles]

Nah, bro, Nah.

[Lauren Sisler]

But that's how it ends up feeling. And it shouldn't. It's silly. They're like, listen, I'm here for the laughs and wallow, saying, I never been and then it cut into Gilly and him being like, I don't.

[Ebro Darden]

That was funny, Uncle Murt. I've never heard somebody get so aggressive. Aggressive about taking their kids to Disney, though.

[Lauren Sisler]

No, never in my life.

[Ebro Darden]

Never in my life.

[Lauren Sisler]

Never in my life.

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, my kids first class.

[Laura Styles]

I mean, Disney is expensive, by the way.

[Ebro Darden]

I was aggressive after I paid because I was looking at my bank statement.

[Lauren Sisler]

No, by the way, it's fact. All of the. Yo, just living regular life, like, doing things that you think would be normal is not. And I'm sure they're all living great lives, so. But now Bleak has some fire songs, though. Yeah. Yay. Or Murder. I'm sorry.

[Ebro Darden]

Murder knows he lying. I don't believe him. He knows he lying.

[Lauren Sisler]

Okay, bro, it's.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

It's.

[Lauren Sisler]

It's all right. Do my. Is that your chick?

[Ebro Darden]

Why are you even doing this?

[Lauren Sisler]

Handed down intro. Coming of eight. I mean, he's got a lot of joints, man.

[Laura Styles]

All right, guys. So just an update on the case of the murder of Celeste Rivas. Yeah, David's preliminary hearing is over after five days of testimonies with the judge ordering the murder case of 14 year old Celeste Rivas to proceed to trial. Now, the judge said that the trial must begin within 90 days. David is due back in court for arraignment on August 31st. And, you know, there was a lot of evidence presented by prosecutors during the preliminary hearing, which included horrible photos and text messages and just some of the most disgusting things that I. You know, obviously the audience can't see, but, you know, they were described by reporters about the relationship and the sexual relationship that they have. So David is being charged with one count of murder, continuous sexual abuse of a child under the age of 14, unlawful mutilation of human remains, and with prosecutors alleging that he killed her because she threatened to expose their illegal sexual relationship. And he's pleading not guilty. This case just creeps me out so much because to learn that this all started when she was just 11 years

[Ebro Darden]

old is frightening, bro. That's Issa's age, bro.

[Lauren Sisler]

Frightening, bro. I don't even have words for everything. I feel sort of fortunate that I didn't even know who he was. Like, it wasn't in my world at all.

[Laura Styles]

I don't think any of us knew who he was until this came, but

[Lauren Sisler]

some people did, but. But not us. Like, I. I felt fortunate to be old and not know because.

[Ebro Darden]

Was there like a movement around?

[Lauren Sisler]

There was some. In. In retrospect, what I've seen is that he was sort of popular, but it's just the worst ever. Guys, I got to go do WWE stuff at SummerSlam this week. I got ESPN WWE stuff.

[Ebro Darden]

Laura, hang on. You got to say hello to. To Kevin. Here's why. Kevin, jump on in, bro.

[Laura Styles]

Yay.

[Lauren Sisler]

Oh, Kevin, tag it. I'm tagging Kevin in.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, there you go. Kevin's in. Slide in, bro.

[Lauren Sisler]

Hey, yo. Hey, Laura, you go where you were?

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sisler]

Laura didn't even mention the new Barty. I mean, what's going on with the Barty gang?

[Laura Styles]

Oh, I know. Cardi B dropped a clip of a. A new sneak peek of a new record.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay.

[Laura Styles]

So I just saw it floating around. I don't even know if we could play it, though. But she.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yeah, but it was still exciting, but.

[Laura Styles]

New bar.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, when did we just officially start calling her Barney?

[Laura Styles]

New bar on this program, Rosenberg likes to call her party, so I just had it.

[Lauren Sisler]

All right, I gotta go.

[Ebro Darden]

Love you guys. Thanks over there. What are you doing for espn, bro?

[Lauren Sisler]

I'm about to go do get up. Then we're shooting.

[Ebro Darden]

I said, what's going on, man?

[Lauren Sisler]

I'mma tell Greeny you said, what's up? Then we got to do a special for SummerSlam. And then I got first take all kinds of stuff, man. Big SummerSlam week.

[Ebro Darden]

All right, man. Enjoy yourself.

[Lauren Sisler]

Thank you.

[Ebro Darden]

After y' all finish watching us, you could click over to get up over there and support Rosenberg on there. Kevin, what's going on? Sir, Good morning. How are you? This is Kevin Ortega Rojas.

[Laura Styles]

There you go.

[Ebro Darden]

That's right. Of. Here's why I just call him here's why Kevin. But I think you actually have a real name.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Yeah, that's fair. It's okay. Still my name. Hi.

[Laura Styles]

I feel like. I feel like everyone is like, here's why Kevin when they see you. Right? I mean, listen, that's why people love you. They recognize you for all the amazing work you do online.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Thank you. It's better than that. Like, I think it was, like, the second time I was ever on here, and, like, y' all had, like, a live comment shot, and someone was like, not this gay guy again. No. Hey, hey.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, guess what? Here's the gay guy again.

[Laura Styles]

Yes, he will be here plenty of times, and we love him.

[Lauren Sisler]

But.

[Ebro Darden]

But you're here today because the last time we had you on, we were talking Nolan Wells.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

And I wanted to have you back now because there's been a lot of information, misinformation, speculation, autopsy report, like, and it. And even for me, I haven't had success figuring out, like, what I can. Information is actually trustworthy. Right, Right. As of yesterday, they enhanced the phone call audio, which was a thing. So I wanted to have you on so we could kind of get a clear and concise update on what is happening with the murder of Nolan Wells.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

We can't call it tight with. Legally, we cannot call it a murder yet.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, that's good information.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Have the death of Nolan Wells, okay, it's still being investigated, so there's a lot of things have happened, as you said. So, one, the independent autopsy was released by Benjamin Crumps, and this was the

[Ebro Darden]

one that Colin Kaepernick and others helped. I think even Tyler Perry, some other people contributed.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So Colin Kaepernick funded the autopsy, which his organization does in the case of, like, mystique, mysterious deaths of, like, young black people, which his organization has jumped into families.

[Lauren Sisler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

And. And I think Tyler Perry, he pitched in for the funeral. Like, he covered the funeral expenses. Okay. So Nolan Wells was buried last week. And then I think about two days later, Ben Crumps, who's the family's attorney, they released the results of their independent autopsy, which was the one that Kaepernick had funded. And so the findings of the autopsy, I think there's, like, the biggest takeaways is there were no fractures or deep tissue injuries that that medical examiner found. There was discoloration on the back of Nolan's head, but there were no lacerations. But that does not rule out blunt force trauma, because there isn't always a last. A laceration as a result does not rule out. Does not rule it out. Okay, and then they did mention that the body was significantly decomposed because, one, he was in the water for at least two days, as far as we know, or we can assume. And then it had been several days because the county kept the body. And then they did the initial autopsy there with the medical examiner and then shipped the body, which was delayed by a storm, and then they finally did the autopsy. So it had been several days before they got to do this inspection. And so they said that's because the body was significantly decomposed. Sometimes that can suppress evidence, like bruising.

[Laura Styles]

Correct.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

But they didn't see any. And then the inside structure of his throats was not sent over to D.C. with his body.

[Ebro Darden]

So. Pause right there, because that was one of them, for me, a major detail.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Why are body parts missing?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So the independent medical examiner that Ben Crump's law firm hired to do this independent autopsy said that they assume that they kept the inside structure of Nolan Wells throat in order to do further testing, which they say in their report they would have done too, if they were the ones who did the initial autopsy.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So it doesn't sound. Or at least in their report, in their opinion, it doesn't sound like something that people should be concerned about, but I know we've lost trust in them to hear it.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, we've lost trust. Well, I mean, it's Mississippi, so I never had trust. But the fact that you're keeping body parts, claiming you're going to do more investigation on this specific body part.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So I mean, what's. What is important to note is that the independent medical examiner said that they assume that they're doing further testing, but they did not get a report or

[Ebro Darden]

an opinion from the state of Mississippi or the county.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Correct. So. So they're going off of, hey, what it looks like here is if I did the initial autopsy, I also would have kept, you know, this inside structure, do further testing, and maybe that's why they kept it. I do think it's important, but this

[Ebro Darden]

has been multiple days now, so you would think that that county would say either, yes, that's exactly what we're doing.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

Or we haven't heard anything. So you're letting us assume there is. That you're hiding something.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

There is reason to it, which I. Which I'll get to in a second. But I do think it's important. Important that the independent autopsy, the manner of death and the cause of death were inconclusive pending their investig. Independent investigation. But also because of the fact that the inside structure of his throat is missing, they can't say whether or not it was a drowning. So I do think it's important because it does seem as if Jackson County, Mississippi is hindering their independent investigation by not allowing you to even look at things that would let you get to an end result.

[Ebro Darden]

And we can't trust Mississippi. There's history tied there.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Why would we trust these people?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So two of Nolan's friends. Friends, I don't know what to call them at this point, have done podcast interviews with Officer Tatum or Captain Tatum. I don't know what he is.

[Laura Styles]

Who's that?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

He's a. He's a black MAGA podcaster. Apparently. He's very. He has like 2 million subscribers on YouTube. I. I never heard of this man before, but they sat down with him and it was Warren and then Tristan. They both did interviews with him where they sat down.

[Ebro Darden]

So wait, tell my tell. Yeah, hang On. So they decided the best place to go was to a conservative MAGA podcast,

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

who immediately said his friends had nothing to do with it. And I finished watching the interview today.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah, bro. It was too much for me. No, I'm out, by the way. I'm out. I'm out on letting y' all try to finesse me into believing that this is, like, should. This is fat. You're moving. Foul. This is foul play from the rip.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

I. I think this is.

[Ebro Darden]

All the families decided the best place for us to go was to a black MAGA podcast. Nah, bro.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

In the last. In the last interview clip that did with God, yes, he. Warren tells him because Tatum asked him, like, well, why'd you decide to talk now? And why'd you decide to talk only to me? And Warren was like, well, you've been on our side this whole time.

[Laura Styles]

Oh, okay.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So we felt.

[Ebro Darden]

What side is that?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Defending them off the rip.

[Ebro Darden]

Like, they could have went to. Good morning. What do you mean, defending them? There's Right. People just want answers.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So I just.

[Ebro Darden]

You could have went to Good Morning America. You could have went to these real, like, news, middle of the road.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

But why do that when you can talk to someone who's already decided that you're in a.

[Ebro Darden]

But that is peculiar. Yeah, that is, you know, suspicious.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So there's been a ton of stuff. You mentioned the call, which. It was an emergency dispatch call where the group of kids, people who were on the boat, called for an emergency towing because they said their boat was sinking. In the background of that call, people hear or think that they're hearing people talk about Nolan, that they're claiming he's dead. They're asking if he's dead. They're freaking out. They sound really panicked. Someone, an audio engineer, did separate the audio of the dispatch caller from the phone call that was being made and enhanced it. I'm not going to say definitively that what people are claiming to hear is what I said. That's really hard for me because what happens is that when you transcribe muffled audio and you tell people, hey, this is what's being said, it's very easy to hear it.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

I just. I'm not gonna claim, but I do think that the most important thing.

[Ebro Darden]

But the fact that you went and sat down with a block black MAGA podcast. I believe the audio now.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

I mean, I, I. Warren wasn't even there on that boat.

[Laura Styles]

Like, so why is he doing interviews?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Because he was with the group and he's in the photos. I just it's very, to me, it's all very contrived at this point because now we're trying to figure out where these 30. Because it's 30 people who were with Nolan that day. So we're trying to figure out who was on what.

[Ebro Darden]

Listen, at this point, we don't know exactly how Nolan was killed. You individuals are responsible for the death. Death of that black boy. And you're moving like you're responsible for the death of that black.

[Laura Styles]

What is the overall like consensus? Like what are they saying that happened?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So they claim that the last time that they saw Nolan was at 3 and they left Horn island at 4:30.

[Laura Styles]

So they left him by himself. The group leaves him, allegedly. Okay, yeah.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

And so they say that they left at 4:30, but the last time that they saw Nolan was 90 minutes before that. And now Tatum and TMZ as of last night are claiming to have evidence and, or witness statements claiming that other people saw Nolan at 7 as late as 6pm which is way after the group left.

[Laura Styles]

Right, right, right.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

But none of that evidence has been shared publicly. So no one knows why they're claiming this.

[Laura Styles]

So walk me through the phone situation. So the phone was left on the boat.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So the phone was left on the boat when they got back to the. When they got back to land, they put it in Wyatt's car and then they took it to the house. And then even that story again. I just think a lot of this is very convoluted at this point because if you pay attention to details in each individual story from Nolan's parents, Nolan's parents, friends, the people who were with Nolan that day, the details don't add up because they're claiming Nolan's phone was on the boat. He didn't ask for it back. We didn't think to give it to him because everyone's phones were on the boat. Sure. We got back to shore, we realized that we had it. Wyatt put it in his truck. He was going to give it to him later. Then Nolan's parents friend came over to pick up the phone, but she claims that the phone was inside. But they claim that the phone was still in the truck.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah. And then I heard that the family did a little bit of research and I guess they use like lifelock or

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

one of those Life360.

[Laura Styles]

Life360 to kind of locate some of the data to see if they could just, if. If the points would align. So I read that they found interesting information that again, didn't match what people are saying.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

It's again, all very confusing, but I think the most important thing for people to, I think, at this point, think about, because I keep reminding folks, like, there's a lot of people online who, we have, to be honest, are making a lot of money off this story at this point.

[Ebro Darden]

Correct.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

There's so many pages. If you have. If your Instagram page has more updates than the family has been able to share, you're milking this. And I think that that is a problem. So I have not even really talked about this. I as much because we don't have a lot to go off of besides the autopsy report that was shared with us. But I think people should know sort of what the process is looking like going forward. So last week, the Jackson county district attorney released a statement where she said, there's an investigation still going on. At the end of this investigation, we'll present the findings to a grand jury who will decide whether or not to, you know, file indictments. And included in that evidence, she says, is the autopsy. So maybe that's why the esophagus or, you know, the internal structure of his throat was kept, because it's evidence. And so they're not allowing that out into the public.

[Laura Styles]

Okay.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

So she says that all evidence will be presented to a grand jury. So to walk you through sort of what that process looks like, the grand jury in Jackson, Mississippi, is one of the busiest. So they meet once a month. Other counties in Mississippi, sometimes they meet, like, once every three months. And so this investigation is still going on. At the end of the investigation, they're going to convene. Being a grand jury presents the evidence to them. But a grand jury meets in secret. It's in private. It's behind closed doors. It's never public. And a grand jury consists of 15 people, and at least 12 of the jurors have to vote to file indictment. If they file an indictment or they, you know, find that there's probable cause to move forward and it goes to trial, that is when we would hear about the evidence. But if they decide that they are not going to file an indictment, that there are. There's no charges here, the results of the case could be inconclusive.

[Laura Styles]

Oh, my God.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

And the details of the case will remain sealed because that information is never shared publicly. Nolan's family will not hear what's being said in the grand jury. They will not be given the evidence. They will not see the details unless it goes past a grand jury. So in my opinion, I do not think that we're ever going to hear about it.

[Ebro Darden]

So you don't think this grand jury is going to move this forward based on you knowing the history of Mississippi?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

I don't.

[Ebro Darden]

And how these people are moving right now.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

I don't believe that we're going to get 12 people to rule that they should file indictment. Charge.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, because when you hear grand jury and all of this secret. This is a secret. People know people, man.

[Laura Styles]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

You know what I'm saying? They. They know who's on this grand jury.

[Laura Styles]

And I believe there was a lot of conversation. Conversation. A lot of these young, young folks as parents were very well connected in different ways.

[Ebro Darden]

Aren't there a couple of judges on these parents or police officers, a doctor?

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Several parents are doctors. One parent is like a judge.

[Ebro Darden]

So.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

But in my. I just. There's so much being shared online, and this is what I've told people is spreading this misinformation or, like, sharing every conspiracy theory that you hear muddies the water. Because what's. There's. There's no way that you're going to get 15 people in a room who haven't heard about this case and made up their mind.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

And when the story is changing every day, there was a story that, like, I won't repeat it, but there was just a lot of really wild, violent stories that people were claiming people were making face, like, fake Facebook profiles and, like, claiming that they were there that night and they saw Nolan at a pool party and they saw him get beat. It's like, we know that that didn't happen, but you're going to make it so that it's very hard for a grand jury to decide.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I think that's also why they go and sit on a podcast that muddies the waters. All of this stuff is a distraction. If they were really trying to figure out why their friend died or how he died or what actually happened, they wouldn't be doing none of this except apologizing. That's the only thing that would be happening. If you knew someone that was hanging out with you and they died and you had to go tell their parent what just happened, you wouldn't be sitting on podcasts. You would be like, yo, this is crazy. It's terrible. I don't know what happened, and I'm gonna be here with you until we figure it out.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

And a lot of people have said, like, they're talking to podcasters, but they're not talking to the police. As far as we know, everyone who's

[Ebro Darden]

been involved, well, he's Officer Tatum.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

As far as we know, everyone who was there has cooperated and they met with the police. Also, I saw the mdmr, their official, like, missing person report, which goes, like, well beyond the day that Nolan Wells was reported missing. And all three boats, like, the GPS of all three boats was tracked. All the families allowed MDMR to come onto their vessels to, like, use their data and to pull their GPS information. But again, that's probably evidence that we won't see. But what I think is weird about all those interviews is how emotionless they are. It's not that they're talking, because I

[Ebro Darden]

honestly just think that, you know, something happened and they don't want to be accountable for it. And it may not be, you know, the worst case scenario of, like, they killed him because he was black. It may not be that we don't know. And that's why, like, a toxicology report, maybe this esophagus report, something like that. Maybe there's information there. Right. But unfortunately, like, I was thrown. I'm thrown by this whole sitting on a podcast like that. I can't. Yeah, I can't. You can't recover my trust that you decided to go sit on some dude's podcast. You know what I mean? Who. Because he was, like, supportive and he's like a MAGA influencer, and he's black and he's black. Like, it's just too, like, what are you doing? Like, who you think you playing with?

[Laura Styles]

I don't. What makes me so uncomfortable is the fact that it's like, they could easily say, well, we can't go forward with this because the autopsy is inconclusive. Right. And like you said, the second autopsy that. That Kaepernick paid for, it was. It was been so long. So it. The accuracy levels are even, like, lower.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Yeah.

[Laura Styles]

So I don't know. I'm just. You just blew my mind with the fact that we could possibly never know any of this information or the family we will ever get.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and once again, there's history tied to this. What you're seeing, for me, at least I'll speak for myself, is the fact that I'm traumatized by a nation and the history of a nation where this has happened to black people countless times. Literally. Right now there's a story breaking about a young woman that was found hanging from a tree outside a church that she didn't attend. Her name is Juliana Zumba. And Zita, this happened in May.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

The police and where she's from ruled it as a suicide. Can you have those Slides.

[Laura Styles]

I don't understand.

[Ebro Darden]

Shout out to Kaseem Rashid. May 8. 17 year old hanging from a tree. Twice the height. Twice her height outside of Black Church. She was hanged by a cargo truck. Ratchet strap. They call it a suicide, I think. Go to the next slide. I think there's multiple slides. Charlotte Mecklenburg.

[Laura Styles]

The police didn't question the man who found her body.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Her missing cell phone.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Did not perform an autopsy.

[Laura Styles]

Why?

[Ebro Darden]

Within days. Ruled in a homicide and closed the case.

[Laura Styles]

But look, her family are immigrants from the Congo. They're demanding further investigation. But it's a time right now where it's like, why would they. They're immigrants.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and I hate this for our family, but welcome to America, man. That's my point.

[Laura Styles]

Oh, my God.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

There was also a. A black woman on Juneteenth weekend in Florida who was visiting and she was found hanging from a tree. And it was ruled a suicide. It's like she doesn't even live here. She was there for vacation. So it happens way too frequently.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

But I think what is most frustrating about the Nolan Wells case is it feels like they're playing in your face when they're like, we're doing an investigation. You'll never hear about it, but we promise we're doing something. That's what it feels like.

[Laura Styles]

Right, right, right.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

And Nolan Wells's family is also really frustrated right now. And I know I've spoken to people connected to their legal team who say it feels like they're playing with us by the. By delaying this autopsy. I think that they tried to, you know, extend an olive branch by releasing their findings first and hoping that the county would respond, but instead they just put out a statement saying the autopsy results are sealed. So.

[Ebro Darden]

Wow.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Yeah. So that's. That's where the case is now. I don't think that we're going to have any significant updates, at least for a couple of weeks. I know that Nolan Wells's family and their legal team are doing an independent investigation of their own, but these people don't have to talk to them. That. That is. That is my fear. Like Warren and all these people who are involved. This guy Bart, who initially said that he wasn't even there that day, but his name is being repeated on that phone call. That was also something that I think people were really upset about. He, like, left a comment when Nolan first died and was like, hey, by the way, I haven't been in Mississippi. I also lost a friend. Like, I'm also really sad. And then it turns out that he Was there because his name is being yelled on that phone call several times. So, again, everything is very convoluted and messy, and I just don't think that we're gonna get anywhere anytime soon, unfortunately.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, Kevin Rojas. Ortega. Or here's why.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Kevin.

[Ebro Darden]

All right, I messed it up. Ortega, Rojas. Here's why. Kevin. On Instagram and all the social platforms.

[Laura Styles]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

Thank you for your time today.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

I appreciate it.

[Ebro Darden]

Laura, you ready to get to the gurus?

[Laura Styles]

Sure.

[Lauren Sisler]

Hey, yo.

[Ebro Darden]

It's time for the gurus. Rosenberg. Laura, you know you are a beautiful queen. Ebro, don't ever play yourself. You're not a guru.

[Laura Styles]

The Original Gurus. Gmail.com. the Original Gurus. Gmail.com. email us. Ebro, stop grunting.

[Ebro Darden]

And Zed, that's me trying to Zen. Trying to get to a real.

[Laura Styles]

Okay, so, guys, this is an update. And honestly, this is shady and messy. Ebro. So remember yesterday we read the email and we played the song from Bob Doe? Yeah, Bob. I wrote back. He sounds like a great guy, right? Just thanking us for, you know, playing his song and giving him feedback. So we saw that.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

Okay?

[Laura Styles]

Now, producer Griff gave me this email, and it says the subject is the best friend of Bob Doe.

[Ebro Darden]

The best friend of Bob Doe.

[Laura Styles]

This is a lot. And there's no punctuation, so bear with me.

[Ebro Darden]

So he's already lost credibility with. You wrote too much and no punctuation. Laura's out.

[Laura Styles]

All right, here we go. He says, so I want you to give the other side to Bob Doe or the anonymous letter. First. I'll address.

[Ebro Darden]

Can we pause for a second? The anonymous. So. And, Laura, you weren't here for the anonymous letter, but you were here for yesterday.

[Laura Styles]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't even remember what was in the anonymous letter, so good luck, y'.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

All.

[Ebro Darden]

This is gonna be a mess.

[Laura Styles]

Okay, okay, okay. First, I'll address the BM situation.

[Ebro Darden]

Baby mama.

[Laura Styles]

When we were younger, we were all friends. I was talking to her, and we was bonding. But he got with her, so I fell back. Then they broke up, and she started flirting with me. I told Bob Doe that she was flirting with me, and he said he didn't care. Do what you got to do. So I did. I did what I had to do for a little while. Fast forward. He tells me that they got back together, and I told him that me and her did what we did, but he said he wasn't tripping. And then they got married, and I didn't talk to them for a few years, mainly because it was Weird. But they had kids and been divorced for about 20 years. And I haven't talked to each other for seven.

[Ebro Darden]

Divorced for 20, I guess you said.

[Laura Styles]

Okay. Also, I remember.

[Ebro Darden]

And by the way, sorry, Laura, I remember a little bit now about the Bob Doe anonymous letter. That was because we thought. Yes, we thought Bob Doe was the anonymous name. Come to find out, was his real name. And that was about his. His. His ex. Him moving on from his ex who now had hooked up with his best friend.

[Laura Styles]

That's what it sounds like.

[Ebro Darden]

And his best friend. And he was like, should I even try to be friends with this dude anymore? Because now I found out he didn't bag my wife.

[Laura Styles]

Okay.

[Ebro Darden]

And he found it out through his daughter or something like that.

[Laura Styles]

So he says. Also, we both have had sex with the same girl more than once.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh.

[Laura Styles]

He even had sex with one of my old girlfriends. So I really didn't think he would be mad about this. But I did stop talking to her because I felt it was nasty work. All right. The best friend part, I don't know where that came from. We were cool, but since he had cut off a few of our friends and things have been different, we haven't really talked much. He's never been to my crib. No call, no text for my birthdays. And when we were going through some things, I was there for him in a real way. When I went through something similar, he didn't even call or text me to check on his quote, unquote best friend. That's probably when my relationship with him really changed. Glad he got his song played on your show, though.

[Ebro Darden]

So bro is claiming that he's not even really friends like that with Bob, though, man. Hey, yo, Bob, though. They playing in your face.

[Laura Styles]

I. This is a lot.

[Ebro Darden]

They playing in your face. He wasn't really your friend.

[Kevin Ortega Rojas]

No.

[Ebro Darden]

Your baby moms and him. He done bagged your baby mom. Sound like you don't keep. Keep tapping. Oh, yeah.

[Laura Styles]

This is messy. This is like a weird love triangle.

[Ebro Darden]

Hey, yo, Denver. Hey, yo, Denver. What's going on,

[Laura Styles]

Bob? Don't get out. You don't need any of this. Just work on your music, and hopefully you'll hit us with another. With another tune that we can play. All right? But I. I think none of this. I think this is a clear case of light it up, Ebro.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, man. Burn it down, move on, Bob Doe. Keep doing your music thing. And for the love of God, these people don't give a damn about your feelings. So say the guru.

[Laura Styles]

Yes, so say the gurus.

[Ebro Darden]

Good time today. That was fun. Good time, Good time.

[Laura Styles]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Ebro Darden]

We had some Tony Yayo, Uncle Murder, Memphis Bleak. We had some nine inches of meat in Joey Chestnut's mouth. We had some. Man, it's crazy today. Crazy. And it doesn't seem like we have a real Nolan Wells view, right? Like, if I still feel like what,

[Laura Styles]

I feel worse about it. And thank you, shout out to Kevin Ortega Rojas. Here's why Kevin. Follow him. He always gives amazing independent journalism and reporting. But I. I feel worse about the whole thing. Doesn't make me feel better.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and I, you know, I try to always refrain from, like, doing the Oppression Olympics, cuz so many different groups in the United States are going through different things.

[Laura Styles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

But, like, I don't know any group that's still getting hung from trees out here. But, guys, black folks are still getting hung from trees, man.

[Laura Styles]

With no answers.

[Ebro Darden]

Like, I want y' all to really soak that up when everybody get to talking about what's going on in the United States, man. Appreciate y' all tuning in. It's Ebro Lauren Rosenberg. See you tomorrow. Just don't follow the podcast.