22.) More ICE Madness In Minneapolis, Snow Days, + Clipse and Pharrell at the GRAMMYs (1/26/26)

Summary

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The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show – Episode 22

“More ICE Madness In Minneapolis, Snow Days, + Clipse and Pharrell at the GRAMMYs” (1/26/26)

Main Theme Overview: In this passionate and wide-ranging episode, Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg react to ongoing ICE-related violence in Minneapolis, debate the loss of traditional snow days in schools, and celebrate the Clipse and Pharrell’s upcoming GRAMMYs performance. The hosts also tackle the aftermath and outrage of the killing of Alex Peretti by ICE agents, discuss social media censorship and misinformation, and reflect on the mounting public distrust in U.S. institutions. Sidebars include pop culture updates, music news, and a listener Q&A about the challenge of speaking up on global issues.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Snow Day Madness & Remote Learning Hassles

• 00:10–06:35
• The hosts commiserate about the complexity of remote learning imposed during snow days.
  • Laura Rosenberg expresses her frustration:

    "Why do they make it so damn complicated?... portal after portal after portal after portal, like, bro, why is this so complicated?" (01:17–01:30)

  • Ebro highlights the safety rationale:

    "Portal after portal will always be under the guise of safety measures. I mean... there's families with weirdos in their family..." (01:36–02:11)

• Debate over whether snow days have been permanently replaced by remote learning in New York City since Covid.
  • Laura Stiles laments the loss of a “fundamental classic fun thing of childhood”:

    "It's punishing everyone. Not only does it take away a fundamental classic, fun thing of childhood... but the parents just can't do it..." (05:13)

  • Ebro points out parents can just opt out, but Laura R. notes the impact on attendance records (06:10).
• Parents struggle with curriculums requiring “movement, snack time, snowplay,” which feels daunting (05:26).

2. Winter Storm Reflections

• 07:08–08:25
• The recent snowstorm gets a lukewarm review.
  • Laura Stiles:

    "I'ma keep it real with you guys. This snow was just not John Blaze... there was no beauty to it. It wasn’t the big, fluffy flakes... just nasty, endless sleet and ice..." (07:08–07:34)

  • Ebro recalls seeing snowboarding at Fort Greene Steps, Brooklyn, as a symbol of extreme gentrification (08:30).

3. ICE Shooting Outrage in Minneapolis

• 09:12–29:06 (Main focus)
• Deep-dive into the killing of ICU nurse Alex Peretti by ICE agents.
  • Ebro sets the emotional scene:

    "ICU nurse at a veterans hospital... videos were circulating of him giving condolences and last words to veterans..." (09:23–09:38)

  • Laura Stiles comments on Peretti's character:

    "You could just tell. I'm like, oh, this guy's just a mensch. This is just a good guy out here doing good guy stuff in the world." (09:48)

  • The hosts discuss video evidence suggesting an ICE agent took Peretti’s legal gun, and may have fired it, triggering other agents' gunfire.
    • Ebro:

      "It appears that an ICE agent took his gun and then fired his gun... then prompted the other agents to start firing..." (11:04–11:23)

    • Laura Rosenberg reacts:

      "That’s very interesting that’s being alleged." (11:23–11:29)

  • Comparison to other notorious police shootings, outrage at the initial ICE narrative, and the absence of justification.
    • Laura Stiles:

      "This is significantly worse... there’s no argument to be made. You can't make an argument he was putting anyone in danger." (12:29–12:42)

  • Discussion about media and official misinformation, echoing broader gaslighting:

    "This is intentional gaslighting. They know. They said that he attacked the ICE agents brandishing a firearm..." (17:01–17:55)

Political Fallout & What Should Be Done

• Ebro summarizes public demands:

  "Fighting back would look something like A, stop funding this thing... disbanding this whole ICE thing all the way around..." (14:26–15:23)

• Frustration with lack of action from Democratic leaders, skepticism that abolition is possible with current Republican control (16:05).
• Consistent theme: ICE is “fast-tracking” unqualified agents, creating dangerous and lawless operations.
• Shock at the depths of normalization and desensitization of such violence; even the NRA condemned the ICE shooting (28:08–28:38).

Societal Impact & Loss of Trust

• The hosts reflect on crumbling public trust in institutions:
  • Ebro:

    "The fact that people don't trust elections, you don't trust your media... your government... even your higher education institutions. You trust nothing. What do you have left at that point?" (26:18–26:54)

• Laura Stiles connects this chaos to enrichment of billionaires and deliberate distraction:
  > "The only thing I believe that they really sit there and think about is, is this causing enough... chaos... to the average American that allows us to continue to make our billions of dollars and change government policy..." (25:16–26:03)
• Brief tangent on a viral case of a furniture store owner’s wife supporting ICE violence, subsequent internet backlash, and a wild backstory (29:06–32:16).

4. Social Media’s Role: Misinformation, Terms & Hate Speech

• 33:00–38:57
• The show discusses social media's toxicity, new TikTok policies, and the challenge of moderating hate speech.
  • Laura Stiles on TikTok's policy to moderate the term "Zionist" as hate speech:

    "Have I seen the word Zionist used in a way to be intentionally hateful to Jews? Absolutely, I have. However... there is a lot of commentary involving the idea... that is a reasonable and needed conversation..." (36:50–37:47)

• Ebro observes that all major platforms are intrusive on privacy and free speech (35:46–36:26).

5. Israel, Palestine, Zionism, and Trauma Narratives

• 37:47–41:27
• Emotional analysis of how the government of Israel harnesses trauma among Jews, continuation of violence, and manipulation of perception.
  • Ebro raises the point:

    "Do you believe, Rosenberg, that it is the plan... to keep Jewish people themselves in a constant state of traumatized fear...?" (37:57–38:11)

• Laura Stiles connects international atrocities to personal trauma and parental fear:
  > "She was like, you know, I think about what, you know, mothers go through, single mothers are going through right now. And then I start spiraling and thinking about mothers in Gaza..." (41:00–41:27)

6. Pop Culture Segment: GRAMMYs, Clipse, Pharrell, and More

• 43:24–45:36
• Laura Rosenberg shares excitement about Clipse and Pharrell performing at the 2026 Grammys, with several major nominations:

  "The Clips is also nominated for five Grammys this year... best rap album and best music video." (44:44–45:00)

• Speculation on performances and potential collaborations at the ceremony.
• Discussion of Chad Hugo’s lawsuit against Pharrell over royalties (46:08–48:10).

7. Celebrity & Music Gossip

• 48:55–54:48

• Brief on Nicki Minaj confirmed to appear at Trump Account Summit.

  • Laura Stiles:

    "No, she deserves a big old flopperoo." (51:22)

• The likely impact on her career and fanbase is debated.

• Jim Jones vs. Kid Cudi over “Day ’n’ Nite”:

  • The hosts agree Jim Jones boosted the track in NY hip-hop circles, but Cudi’s song was already a hit (53:01–54:48).
  • Ebro:

    "There are different ecosystems... got to have it all to really have a hit." (54:03)

8. Listener Q&A: How To Speak Up Without Guilt

• 58:00–63:01
• Listener wonders how to avoid guilt for focusing on some issues but not others, specifically why the hosts haven’t addressed Iran’s protests and power outages.
  • Laura Rosenberg:

    "I don’t think anyone has to feel guilt about speaking out on some issues and not others... you don’t want to speak out on stuff when you don’t know what you’re talking about." (61:47–62:05)

  • Ebro admits limited coverage is due to lack of understanding, not deliberate omission (59:03–59:58).
  • Hosts commit to bringing in more knowledgeable guests as the show evolves.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On ICE Violence:
  Laura Stiles — "You could just tell. Oh, this guy's just a mensch. This is just a good guy out here doing good guy stuff in the world." (09:48)
• Ebro — "They murdered that man on the street. That's it. That's the end of the thought." (24:28)
• On Social Media Poison:
  Laura Stiles – "This thing that we used to have called Twitter is so nothing but a poison." (33:01)
• On Institutional Trust Failing:
  Ebro – "You don't trust your media, you don't trust your government... even your higher education institutions. You trust nothing. What do you have left at that point?" (26:18–26:54)
• On Parenting and Social Justice Despair:
  Ebro – "She's just crying. I turn, look, I'm like, what are you crying about? She's like, what? I don't know what to do... I'm thinking about people who are cold..." (41:00)
• On Speaking Up Selectively:
  Laura Rosenberg — "I think you also don’t want to speak out on stuff when you don’t know what you’re talking about." (62:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:10 – Snow day struggles, remote learning
• 09:12 – ICE, Minneapolis, Alex Peretti's killing
• 14:26 – Political solutions and reactions to ICE violence
• 17:55 – Misinformation, right-wing hypocrisy
• 26:18 – Breakdown in trust of institutions
• 28:08 – NRA opposes ICE shooting
• 29:06 – Furniture Connection viral moment
• 33:00 – Social media toxicity and censorship
• 37:47 – Zionism, Israel-Palestine, Jewish trauma narratives
• 44:44 – Clipse and Pharrell at the Grammys
• 46:08 – Chad Hugo sues Pharrell
• 48:55 – Nicki Minaj/Tump event
• 53:01 – Jim Jones vs Kid Cudi over “Day ’n’ Nite”
• 58:00 – Listener Q about activism and guilt

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Summary & Takeaway

This episode encapsulates the hosts' commitment to addressing major societal injustices, especially governmental abuse, while balancing real-life frustrations as parents and public figures. Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg bring honesty and emotion to each discussion—whether on ICE’s brutality, the illusion of remote learning as a “solution,” or navigating complex political allegiances in pop culture.

The show is a testament to the challenge of keeping up with a broken world: knowing you can’t fight every battle, but feeling compelled to bear witness, educate, and create space for discourse wherever possible.

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Transcript

[Ebro]

Just don't call it a podcast. Ebro. Laura Rosenberg. Good morning.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Good morning.

[Ebro]

The Snow Day edition. How you feel about that, Laura Stiles?

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's all right. It's all right.

[Ebro]

I'll tell you this. Okay. There you go.

[Laura Stiles]

That's it. The snow was pretty real. It was pretty real.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, man. Yo, Ira, let me ask you a question. As a parent of a child who's been in school for a minute. I don't know if you guys. Did you do the remote learning? The. The remote classes?

[Ebro]

We had to do it during COVID.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Why do they make it so damn complicated? Why can't it just be easy? Oh my God. God. Like last night I was just trying to like set it up and. And. And all I have a chat with all the parents and all the parents are complaining. Cuz none of us can like figure this out.

[Ebro]

Well, what do they have you logging into a particular site? Like.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes, they sent. They sent us a device and then it's like a particular site.

[Ebro]

School approved device. You can't just use your own device.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I mean, look, they sent it, so I'm using it. Okay, Because I. You know, and then it's like log into this portal and do this and do this and wait for this. And you know, it was just portal after portal after portal after portal like bro, why is this so complicated?

[Ebro]

Well, I will say portal. The portal after portal after portal is. Will always be under the guise of safety measures. I mean, I know weirdos if there's not enough firewalls and there's. And also remember this. There's families with weirdos in their family in your student's class. So if they don't have portal after portal and safety measures, then you got uncle so and so who's got whatever jumping.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right.

[Ebro]

Telling you this is like.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're not. Listen, you're not wrong. But I feel like I've been on enough really important calls where it's like maybe two portals are enough or three.

[Ebro]

Right?

[Laura Stiles]

Well, don't you think this leads us. Don't you think this leads us to. I think a very. A great honor for the new mayor. I would like to. From me. I don't know how you guys feel extend to the new mayor who we are big fans of Mayor Mamdani. His first ever as mayor. Congratulations.

[Ebro]

You played yourself. Wait, why? What happened?

[Laura Stiles]

This remote learning announcement was.

[Ebro]

It wasn't an announcement.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, it was.

[Ebro]

Yeah, it was decided that they decided. It's a while ago.

[Laura Stiles]

No, he, he, he. Listen. He came out and now that. Well, Then it's even worse. Hold on. Then it's a double congratulations.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're right. You're right, Rosenberg. Because they kept. All the parents are like, Were kind of like, on the. On. On hold. Could be. Could be. Could be all Saturday, and then officially on Sunday, they were like, yep.

[Ebro]

No, that's not what I'm talking about. That's not what I'm talking about.

[Laura Stiles]

Well, he came out and announced it this weekend.

[Ebro]

The rule about no snow days. You guys don't remember after Covid, when they decided that they weren't going to do snow days anymore and they were just going to do remote learning, and everybody was like, what the hell are you talking about? We don't get snow days anymore, y'.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All.

[Ebro]

I don't remember that.

[Laura Stiles]

I don't remember that being a permanent decision.

[Ebro]

Yeah, that was a permanent school board thing.

[Laura Stiles]

Well, but then it's even more of a congrats for mom Donnie. Because he got up. Because he got up there and announced it as if the decision was made.

[Ebro]

Well, no, but. But that's. I think the decision was made that people weren't gonna be able to come to school, that they were gonna have to stay home. Not the decision was made that they were going to do.

[Laura Stiles]

Okay, go.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Go.

[Laura Stiles]

Watch it. You didn't hear it. Trust me.

[Ebro]

No, I saw him say it. I said, we decided. Yes, we decided.

[Laura Stiles]

He said, it's one of these. He said it's one of these two things. That's what's going down. But he should have. If what you're saying is true and he didn't actually decide anything. It was already decided. Oh, well, then he should have definitely said, as you guys know, there's a rule in place.

[Ebro]

I was under the impression that in New York City, they don't do snow days anymore. They do remote learning.

[Laura Stiles]

I thought.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, I hate it.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, Laura, I thought it was. When you get to a certain amount of days, then you go, hey, we don't want to extend the year into the summer, so we're going to have learning at home. All of the snow we've had so far has fallen on the weekends. I. I think this may have been the first real bad snow day on a weekday.

[Ebro]

Yeah, I don't. I think some teachers in the chat maybe. Teachers who. Well, you guys better be gearing up to get in your portal after Porter. Yeah, Portal time. But I was under the impression that they were going to do remote learning on snow days instead of just having kids do snow day.

[Laura Stiles]

Well, that's.

[Ebro]

That was a Thing.

[Laura Stiles]

Well, if I didn't, whoever decided then, because it seemed like he did. But whoever decided you don't ever get to do it again is the biggest.

[Ebro]

Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Laura Stiles]

It. It's punishing everyone. Like, not only does it take away a fundamental classic, fun thing of childhood if you grow up in an area like this, but the. But the parents just. Ebro. The parents just can't do it now they got it. It's. It's a double whammy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No. And what makes it hard, it's like, okay, a. A. A parent has to stay home and be with the child and go through everything, so you can't necessarily leave them with grandma. You know what I mean? Or somebody like, I. I know I have people that use Kenza stays with who wouldn't understand, who just wouldn't get it. And then Rosenberg, on top of all this, I looked at the curriculum, and it's like, movement, snack time, snowplay, bruh.

[Laura Stiles]

All this. All this for you guys to have things.

[Ebro]

So now here's the other option as a parent, and just so you guys are clear, you can also just not do it. There's no ramification for you being like, I kept my kid out of class today.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, but then your kid is absent.

[Ebro]

Yeah, but what's that gonna do?

[Laura Rosenberg]

It counts against you if you don't have. If you have a lot of absences. Like, you don't want that.

[Ebro]

I mean, are you gonna have a lot of absences?

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah. I was about to say, you met. You know, Laura already has a vacation plan, so she needs to save the absence.

[Ebro]

Hit Laura with the butt.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, come on, man.

[Ebro]

Congratulations.

[Laura Stiles]

No, she's making her. She culturizing her child.

[Ebro]

Guess what. Well, no, I. I get it, but you got to make choices.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So annoying.

[Ebro]

It is annoying. Remote learning is annoying. During the pandemic, it was mad annoying. Cuz. Yes. As a parent, remember, parents were complaining that. They were like, yo, this is what teachers have to go through dealing with kids. Please. We thank you, teachers. We miss you. We love you. Pay them more. Y' all don't remember all that?

[Laura Stiles]

No, I do.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. And I still feel that way. But.

[Ebro]

But there you go. That's. That's what. That's what this was all about. But, ladies and gentlemen. Yes. Did you guys enjoy the snow at least? Did. Were you able to take Maya outside? Did Kinsey get a snow play yesterday? Did any of that happen?

[Laura Stiles]

I went outside with Maya for about five minutes. It was sleeting and hitting her in the face. I'm gonna Keep it real with you guys. This snow was just not John Blaze. Like, it was a big snowstorm. It's. It's. It's wreaked havoc on the streets and all that. There was no beauty to it. It wasn't the big, fluffy flakes that you ought to take a picture of. It was just, like, nasty, endless sleet and ice falling from the sky. So.

[Ebro]

Well, people were definitely. People were definitely heavy in Central Park. Sled.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Laura Stiles]

If you. If you were, like, older. For sure.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All the parks. Yeah.

[Ebro]

The stuff, overall, the stuff by my house was definitely light and fluffy on this side, just in my area. Now, the street was a mess. Outside on the street was.

[Laura Stiles]

But what I'm saying, when you looked out your window, though, it didn't look like a beautiful Christmassy flake falling, did it?

[Ebro]

No, it was sideways, upside down, and.

[Laura Stiles]

Sometimes you couldn't even see it. You wouldn't even really see anything. It's just coming down. You know what I mean?

[Ebro]

But there were the. What do they call it, Snow drifts, where, you know, the wind blows it up into a nice pile. Kids were playing in that.

[Laura Stiles]

I'm not saying it wasn't playable snow. It was definitely playable snow. It just didn't look dope, if that makes sense.

[Ebro]

Okay, There you go.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, no, outside. It was snowy snow outside. When. When I stepped outside, I think today.

[Ebro]

Matter of fact, in Brooklyn at the Fort Green Steps today, I saw on Instagram, if you're a skier or a snowboarder, they've. Some people have taken upon themselves to enact some sort of New York City snow festivities, and you can go snowboarding at the. At the Fort Green Steps. Doesn't sound the same, I know, but if you just want to get some. Get. Imagine snowboarding in Fort Green. Gentrification on a thousand.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, man, that is a crazy concept you just dropped right there.

[Ebro]

Nah, Fort Green park snowboarding, it's like a.

[Laura Stiles]

It's like getting a matcha latte in Brownsville.

[Ebro]

You know what I mean? And it's all happening. It's really all going down.

[Laura Stiles]

It's all happening.

[Ebro]

Now. That's the fun part of the weekend for us. This. The terrible part of the weekend was the fact that ice agents murdered a man in the streets.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, my God, guys.

[Ebro]

Alex Paria.

[Laura Stiles]

No, Alex Peretti.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Peretti.

[Ebro]

Oh, Peretti. Excuse me. Alex Peretti. ICU nurse at a veterans hospital. The videos were circulating of him, you know, giving condolences and last words to veterans in the hospital.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, that choked me. Up Ibro. When I saw that video, I was like, what a beautiful human being. Like, that was tough. That was a tough one. Do you see a P?

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, from the second I saw this guy, from the second I saw him, I know you can't. It's like, unreasonable to judge someone, but, like, you could just tell. I'm like, oh, this guy's just a mensch. This. This is just a good guy out here doing good guy stuff in the world.

[Ebro]

And the reason he got murdered was doing good guy stuff.

[Laura Stiles]

Got killed doing good guy stuff. Looking out for a woman who's getting abused by the.

[Ebro]

By the ICE agent, an ICE agent. ICE agents pushed this woman to the ground. And the scene before. He's helping the woman before the ICE agents had even approached him. He's like waving traffic through on the.

[Laura Stiles]

Street, just helping out, just trying to help make things better.

[Ebro]

Waving traffic through. He definitely had his iPhone out. And for the rest, yo, hit the button on anyone out there. Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They're twisting and turning and trying their best. Were like, oh, my God, he was armed. He was ready to attack.

[Ebro]

He not ready to attack. He didn't.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You forgot that part.

[Ebro]

He was legally armed, and the ICE agents took his gun. And from the videos that I've seen, the different, you know, videos, forensics, Instagram agents, it. Look, it appears that an ICE agent took his gun and then fired his gun.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, you thought he fired his gun?

[Ebro]

People are alleging that the guy in the gray jacket that took Alex Peretti's gun, when he turns to run away, they zoom in, and it appears as if the ICE agent fired his gun, which then prompted the other agents to start firing at Alex.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, I did not see that. That's very interesting that's being alleged.

[Laura Stiles]

Huh? I will say this. It would that that stupidity would, I guess, give. Make some idea of how it could have happened. Because the.

[Ebro]

The.

[Laura Stiles]

What I have is the image I have is a man is facing the ground, hunched over, making no attempt to fight back, with his back to the officer. His gun has now been removed. And they. And the dude just started pumping bullets into his back.

[Ebro]

That's right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Now, that's what we all saw as.

[Laura Stiles]

As evil as all of this has been so far. It even went beyond the scope of what I would have expected from ICE agents in Minneapolis.

[Ebro]

I cannot. I don't know how you had expect people.

[Laura Stiles]

I don't. I don't. I don't. But, like, because there'd be no way. For the same reason that Trump last night had to say, well, we're going to have to review all of it. They made it almost.

[Ebro]

It's so awful.

[Laura Stiles]

Yo, guys. I thought it couldn't get worse than Rene. This is significantly worse than Rene. This is significantly worse. There's no argument to be made. You can't make an argument. He was putting anyone in danger. You can't.

[Ebro]

No, you can't. Oh, my God.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And they're trying.

[Ebro]

Guess who did everybody. What's the guy. What's the guy that's dressed up as the. As Theino. Bangino that's dressed up as. For the guy from the Tiana Taylor movie.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ebro]

That guy who's dressed up as the guy from the Tiana Taylor movie who's dressed up as a Nazi. That guy is really, really a bad guy.

[Laura Stiles]

What's that guy's name again?

[Ebro]

I don't know. You said Bon Chinche. Boccino is.

[Laura Stiles]

I. I get confused.

[Ebro]

What's his name?

[Laura Stiles]

I get confused whether Bonchinche is just the. A podcast or if he's actually the guy who. Either way, I know who you're talking about with that.

[Ebro]

He's got the. He's got the military cut and the. And the. And the cross body, you know, Nazi outfit on. But anyway, these people are not qualified to be doing this work. That's what's clearly evident. And this week it's going to be interesting because, you know, the heat is on. Chuck the. Chuck Schumers of the like and the. And Congress, because they're supposed to allow more funding to go to Department of Homeland Security and specifically ice.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah. So the idea is that they could maybe block giving them any money. Right.

[Ebro]

I mean, that's what people are expecting. Several people are expecting.

[Laura Stiles]

Can I ask a question? Because, I mean, I'm on the fence between, like, wanting to just rage all day as I rage basically on Twitter like an idiot all weekend. Between that and wanting to ask a question about what can we do in a. Perfect. Nothing's perfect. But if we had a perfect leader right now, like, what do we want to see them do? We know. We want the Democrats to do something. What does fighting back actually look like? You know what I'm saying?

[Ebro]

What do we really want fighting back actually looks for me, I could just say fighting back would look something like, a, stop funding this thing.

[Laura Stiles]

Sure.

[Ebro]

Right. B, how is the Attorney General, Pam Bondi, saying that we'll remove ICE from Minneapolis if you give us the voter rolls?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Like, what does that mean? Like, why do you need that?

[Ebro]

They want election details because they want to take Minnesota from the Democrats at the midterms. They are trying to get access to the voter rolls because they want to take the election again.

[Laura Rosenberg]

This is so wild.

[Ebro]

Next few months. How much the 2024 election was tampered with? 2020 was a 2025, whatever. November 2024.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's unbelievable that she straight out just said it, oh, we'll get ICE out of there. If you, if you turn over your.

[Ebro]

Voter rolls so that it would look like not turning those voter rolls on. It would look like not funding ice, and it would look like getting ICE out of Minnesota. And it would also look like disbanding this whole ICE thing all the way around because the way it's been funded and the way it's been set up clearly, clearly is with unqualified individuals. They're fast tracking individuals into ICE without training. These people are not trained to be on the streets. Why are you pushing a woman with a phone? Why are you pushing anyone?

[Laura Stiles]

But we're, but realistically, we're not abolishing ICE while the Republicans have the control they have. It's not going to happen, right?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, absolutely not.

[Laura Stiles]

So, like, I'm just, I'm just asking the question because I just want to know, like, we're disappointed by so many people. Like, AOC is one of the only people who I really look at and see actual leadership from the tone that she sets in these moments. You know what I mean? And I'm. But I'm just thinking of, like, what do we do? What do we really do?

[Ebro]

Well, the other thing is, is, I mean, I know I don't think we have the video, but we have Kathy Hochul, the Governor of the United States. You had to New York, or excuse me, Governor of New York, talking to the. Talking to, you know, Trump and basically saying, kristi Noem needs to be fired. These people need to be fired. This whole, like, they need to resign and all. No, they need to be fired and they need to be arrested or they need to be arrested because they're breaking the law. That's the other part. They are breaking the law. Laws are being broken.

[Laura Stiles]

And they're doing it like, this is the one of the things. Like, people kept posting the videos this weekend. Like, yo, look at this. My good friend Jody kept sending me stuff. Like, he was so emotional upset. He's like, look at this video. Look at that. How can they say? I'm like, do you get it, bro? It doesn't matter what's in the videos. This isn't even ebro. What's beyond lying? This is intentional gaslighting. They know. They said that he attacked the ICE agents brandishing a firearm. They said he was a domestic terrorist. They said he showed up there with the intention to harm ICE agents. Meanwhile, these are the same people who will die for the right to carry a firearm. He had a legally concealed firearm. And I'm seeing these people online going, well, you don't want to get shot. Don't bring a gun to a protest. I thought you guys were the party of bring a gun wherever you want.

[Ebro]

He wasn't doing anything.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And what about Kyle Rittenhouse?

[Laura Stiles]

They love Kyle Rittenhouse.

[Ebro]

They love Kyle Rittenhouse.

[Laura Stiles]

No. And the old couple. Remember the old couple on their front porch with the machine gun?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right?

[Laura Stiles]

And they invited them to speak at the Republican convention. They were heroes. However, this guy helping people with.

[Ebro]

Hit yourself with the button. I can't even believe that. Congratulations. You played yourself. What about. What about. What about with these people?

[Laura Stiles]

That's what I'm saying, though.

[Ebro]

I'm saying there's no thing left to do is insult and curse at these individuals. That's the only thing left to do. There is no way you're having actual adult conversations with these individuals anymore. You're not doing it. People who ran around talking about don't tread on me in the second amendment and the first amendment, and then now all of this is happening, and they're like, well, don't do this. And again, you don't want to get hurt.

[Laura Stiles]

Don't bring them. God.

[Ebro]

First of all, it wasn't even. It wasn't even a protest. That wasn't an actual protest. What was going on in the street? Those were neighbors, people who lived in the neighborhood right out there because ICE was grabbing people and has a history of grabbing and harassing people right now in Minneapolis.

[Laura Stiles]

Right.

[Ebro]

Who are u. S. Citizens. I don't even think that was an actual protest. Nobody said that.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, no, you're right. There was. It didn't look like there was any organized protest happening. It looks like it was just more madness in the street because that's what they're doing.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And now they're going into people's homes. Like, straight up going into people's homes. I don't know if you guys saw the video of the man who was, like, came out of the shower. They pulled him out in his underwear in the snow.

[Ebro]

Yes.

[Laura Rosenberg]

U. S. Citizen, by the way. And they just, you know, they have to fill their quota, so they'll snatch everyone up get them processed in a couple of days. Oh, whoopsie. You.

[Laura Stiles]

You're.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're free to go with no repercussions.

[Ebro]

And. And to answer your question, Rosenberg, there's really nothing we can do other than highlight these things right now in New York City and in the Tri State area, there is like ice Watch Instagrams and chats where people are saying where ICE is and encouraging people to stay in the house in New York City right now. And remember, Department of Homeland Security running down on people that they believe were illegally here is not new. In New York City, they've been knocking on doors and they go to. And they've been doing that in New York City for as long as I can remember. Knocking on doors between 5am and 8am or between 5pm and 8pm but to Laura's point, entering houses, killing people on the street, pushing people, all of this sort of thing that. Listen, we never seen anything like this in the United States in this form since. Since. Since they were doing it to black people, since they did it in internment camps, to Japanese people, since they've done it to Mexican Americans. Because. Let's not act like this is brand new, please, Ebro.

[Laura Stiles]

You're. You're talking without moving. You're like, j. You know, you're traveling without moving right now.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But it's just. Even though, yes, we know this is nothing new, but right now, right now, it's bad and it continues to get worse.

[Laura Stiles]

And that's one of the things that gets me so angry. There are a few different arguments that get me the most angry. 1. People love to bring up previous presidents deporting just as many people to which, again, it's like, why are you. No one's saying they love bringing that up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They love it.

[Laura Stiles]

No one's saying that deportations don't happen or that deportations shouldn't happen with people who need to be deported for whatever legal reasons and due process has happened that shown their time is up here, they haven't done the legal work and have to go right them apart from their family.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right. Or are you committed a crime or you committed a crime? Yes, I think we can all agree you committed a crime. Get out of here.

[Laura Stiles]

No, no one's arguing that point. They. So they bring that up all the time. The point is how it's being done. And that if you can't see that this is a completely different process, shame on you. You're being willfully ignorant. And then the second one, Laura, that drives me crazy is. And this has been happening now for just years. And I know this probably sends Ebro into a frenzy when these right wingers try to compare the behavior of rogue criminals to people who represent the US Government. In other words, we get upset about ICE agents killing Alex Preddy. They go, what about the guy who killed Lake and Riley? Yo, no one thought that was okay either. No one thinks when anyone gets murdered, it's okay. Those are not police officers. They are not government officials.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know.

[Laura Stiles]

Why are you choosing to be ignorant? Why?

[Ebro]

Congratulations. You played yourself.

[Laura Stiles]

That sound. That sounds incense to Jace. Lil Dion sends us a message. And Ebro, can you turn your mic back up? Your mic was, like, hot before you left, and now you came back, and it feels low. It says, he sent us a super chat, Donald. He wrote Orange. Orange peel. And all of his sycophants are purposely spreading misinformation for their benefit.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Agree.

[Laura Stiles]

They're voluntarily complicit and lying about things like this so their agenda continues to stay on track.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Agree. I couldn't agree with you more. Yo, but I've seen clips, and I have to. I've been like, God, Rosenberg, I've just been trying to, like, limit the amount of stuff I see because it just for my mental health, right? So I try to limit it. But I did see some clips of even some Fox News hosts asking certain questions that I was like, oh, wait, even you?

[Laura Stiles]

Well, that. That's my point. This one seems to be getting. They. They effed up in the sense that it was so bad that even people on their side were forced to be like, why? You're not supposed to do it like that. You're not. You're not to make. Supposed to make it so obvious. You. You shot the guy in the back six times while he was on the ground.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Don't worry. We're gonna investigate.

[Ebro]

And he never took his gun out of the holster.

[Laura Stiles]

Never.

[Ebro]

Not even get the gun out of the holster. He turned his back to them. He was wrestled to the ground. They were punching him in the face. Then they took his gun, and then they shot him. They murdered that man on the street. That's it. That's the end of the thought.

[Laura Stiles]

And I thought the plan was for them to try to do it in a way where they could at least present another argument.

[Ebro]

No, they rush to put something out before they've even looked at the video, hoping that they're lying can shape the narrative. And I got news for you. I. In my. At least on my algorithm, there's nothing you're doing that is shaping any of These narratives in your favor. Literally nothing. So if you believe. What's the lady's name that speaks on behalf of the White House?

[Laura Stiles]

Catherine Caroline Levitt.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, Carol Carolyn Levitt.

[Ebro]

Donald Trump. Pete Hegseth, Christy Gnome, the man dressed up as the Tiana Taylor movie character, whatever your name is, if you believe any of this is working in your favor, it's not. You're being lied to by the people running around hanging out with you. Y' all are all being lied to. The own. They know, they can't believe that this is, is. Is helping their narrative. The only thing I, I, the only thing I believe that they really sit there and think about is, is this causing enough distraction and chaos and mayhem to the average American that allows us to continue to make our billions of dollars and change government policy right beneath everybody's noses.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Gas.

[Ebro]

Without everybody being able to pay attention?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's exactly what's happening. And then, you know, yes, Congress and people are demanding investigations. We don't trust the investigations. And that's a problem. None of us here trust these investigations.

[Ebro]

Well, that, and, you know, that's the, that's the next stage of this democracy falling apart. And we've talked about that many times, and we can move on after this. But the fact that people don't trust elections, you don't trust your media, you don't trust your government. Right. You don't trust any of your institutions, even your higher education institutions. You trust nothing. What do you have left at that point? You don't trust. There's people who. You don't trust. The doctors, you don't trust, the scientists, you don't trust anything. That is an institution that is supposed to be keeping you safe, informed, and alive.

[Laura Stiles]

It's, It's.

[Ebro]

Where do you go from there?

[Laura Stiles]

Yep. It's the. They've set up the perfect storm.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Laura Stiles]

Where now there's nothing to trust.

[Ebro]

And so then you have to. Immediately, you go to, okay, who does this benefit? It benefits the billionaires. It benefits the people who can pay a lot of money to change how we see each other and change how we see our country. And it also benefits foreign powers. And we've always alleged that Trump and this whole system is working on behalf of foreign powers.

[Laura Stiles]

And the beautiful part for them is they're all getting paid if the plans end up, like, falling apart for them, with the exception of, like, Stephen Miller, who literally won't be happy until, like, there's no color in our country. And it just, it's the, it's the Fourth Reich with The exception of him, Ebro. The rest of them don't even care. Like, if the plans eventually stop working and fall apart. They all got their money and it ends. They don't give a shit. They just want to. They want pure chaos and to stuff their pockets.

[Ebro]

That is it.

[Laura Stiles]

And this other stuff that, yeah, sure, they want to do as much as they can, but if it fails, they're going to be gone. It's all money. Trump's made what, Ebro? Over a billion and a half. A billion and a half this term.

[Ebro]

That's what's being reported. That's what's being reported.

[Laura Stiles]

So his dumb kids are making. Making hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Ebro]

Well, look at the NRA on the right side of history. Even the NRA spoke out against the actions and narrative afterwards.

[Laura Stiles]

No way.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Miracle. What a miracle.

[Laura Stiles]

I gotta look this up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know, I know.

[Ebro]

Trust. King Clue talking about trust.

[Laura Stiles]

NRA and Ebro. Don't worry. This is from the BBC, so I trust it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay, okay, okay. Here we go. Here we go.

[Laura Stiles]

NRA and other US Gun activists push back at Trump officials over Minnesota shooting. Bro, if the NRA is not with you and you fired a gun, you're either black or you did something really bad, man. Yo, the fact that white people fired a gun. Government officials. White government officials fired guns, and the NRA is saying, nah, hold on. That, you know, that's bad.

[Ebro]

I wanna. I wanna go back to hitting the button. I. I wanna. There's this. There's this story going around, around this furniture store called Furniture Connection. I sent this to you guys in the chat. You can follow this under ish E, bro.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, gosh. Okay, okay, okay.

[Ebro]

Phenomenal. It's such a phenomenal story on so many.

[Laura Stiles]

All right, can you explain it to us? Are you able to make us understand it?

[Ebro]

Because basically, this guy's wife went on social media saying that ICE needs to keep. And I'm paraphrasing, keep shooting people. Ultimately, they tracked down that she worked at this place, Furniture Connection. And then the husband had to come out with a statement saying that she's not involved in the company. But everyone's like, but she's your wife, so she's in. Like. What are you even saying?

[Laura Stiles]

Right?

[Ebro]

Run the clip.

[Laura Stiles]

Hi, I'm Dave Bergen, owner and president of Furniture Connection.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Today, a comment was made on social.

[Laura Stiles]

Media by my wife, Joy, regarding the protests in Minneapolis, Minnesota. She is not involved in Furniture Connection, but I understand her words reflected on me and our company.

[Ebro]

Oh, but she is involved. If you haven't Kept up with this story. It's kind of funny. So his wife decided to jump on the Internet and say this.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah. As bad as good bad could be.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Laura Stiles]

On multiple social media apps.

[Ebro]

And of course, it took the Internet all of about 7 seconds to figure out who she was, what she did, where she lived, and the fact that.

[Laura Stiles]

Her and her husband own a business in Clarksville, Tennessee.

[Ebro]

And as you can see, prior to his wife, they had a four and a half review on Yelp with 27 reviews.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Today they're at a 1.2 with 646 reviews. And three different times in that video, that man says, this person has no.

[Laura Stiles]

Affiliation with furniture connection.

[Ebro]

Except she kind of does.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah. Thanks.

[Ebro]

Yo. Shout out to Matt Randolph for the IG post. I follow that guy. He's a great guy to follow if you don't follow him. But has great stories and little. Little nooks and crannies of the United States. But also come to find out, I went down the rabbit hole and hit the button. Okay, congratulations, you played yourself. That guy right there talking. Everybody's putting all his business out his. He's married to that woman who was doing that on social media. She was his employee before he was married to her. And the only reason he was able to get married to her was because his wife that he was previously married to got blown up in a boat accident that he was on the boat of, and he jumped off the boat and his wife got blown up in the boat.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Ebro]

According to reports. According to what I read. So then he marries his employee and then that's his employee doing that on social media.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right.

[Ebro]

Good story, Good time.

[Laura Stiles]

Where. Where did these things. What part of the country was this in again?

[Ebro]

I think he's in Missouri. I think that's where.

[Laura Stiles]

First Missouri. You and me?

[Ebro]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. But anyway, I just thought it was a good little tidbit. People out here playing themselves. How do you get on social media saying that a lot of people, a.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Lot of people are. No, seriously. When I see some of these posts and I see some of these vile comments from people, it's unbelievable. I'm like, you disgusting human being.

[Laura Stiles]

Listen, my wife was encouraging me this weekend to really stop engaging. And she's in a place where I think the three of us, with varying degrees of each of us are able to engage in this stuff that deeply affects us and yet also not have it poison us for the day. You know what I'm saying?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Like, yeah, we can get we try.

[Laura Stiles]

Talk about it, fight about it, and still it's kind of just part of what we do and we're used to it. My wife is more of the category of like, when she's, when she gets into it, it takes over her and completely shapes all of her feelings and how she's behaving all day. So she was like trying to stay away and encouraging me to not engage. And yo, when I look at the comments that I get back to everything I say, I certainly understand her point. This, this thing that we used to have called Twitter is so nothing but a poison. Well, it's insane. Like the second social.

[Ebro]

All of them. All of them. Twitter's bad threads is bad, right? What's the. This whole tick, you know? No, you can't call somebody a Zionist on TikTok now.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Ebro]

Call somebody Zionist. That's a slur now.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, there's a whole wave of people deleting their Tik Toks, but they have.

[Ebro]

The new, the new. What is it? Terms and, and, and conditions or whatever. The. Whatever on Tik Tok that people are up in arms about. Play. Play the. Play the Zionist video for me. Ra.

[Laura Stiles]

We made a change to designate the use of the term Zionist as a proxy for a protected attribute as hate speech. So if somebody were to use Zionist, of course you can use it in the sense of you're a proud Zionist, but if you're using it in the context of degrading somebody, calling somebody a Zionist as a dirty name, then that gets designated as hate speech to be moderated against. Over the course of 2024, we tripled the amount of accounts that we were banning for hate. Hateful activity. We also have, I think, over two dozen Jewish organizations that are constantly feeding us intelligence and information when they spot violative trends. There is no finish line. There's no finish line to moderating hate speech, identifying hateful trends, trying to keep the platform safe. There's no such thing as an end game. We can do it forever.

[Ebro]

Well, by the way, you know, and they should be doing it right. Like, as hate speech evolves, as people come up with new terms.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, oh, yeah, sure.

[Ebro]

Individuals, like, there isn't a time where monitoring hate speech on these platforms should stop, in my opinion. And who, who am I to sit here and tell a group that a term that's, you know, being used hatefully shouldn't be monitored and, and taken. Taken off, you know, because there, there was a time when you could just throw around the nword on video game platforms and Social media platforms, they got that up out of here too.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I mean you could do it on Twitter. That N word is flying all over the place. They don't care.

[Ebro]

But Twitter, Twitter, as we just discussed, Musk Land is, is a, is a disaster. Congratulations, you played yourself. King Loose points out that the new TikTok terms are a disaster. I haven't been able to compare and contrast enough, but people who get into the terms and conditions on social media claim that Tick Tock. Tick Tock's new terms are overreaching. I always assumed all of these platforms are taking my. Face my kids, face my family, face my friends, who my friends are. They want your geolocation so they know your movements. I assume that was the game from the beginning.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, but this is like taking religious information, sexual orientation.

[Ebro]

Only Tick Tock does this.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Now what you're saying, I'm just like, really? And then I think I saw, I saw your. If you're documented or not. But I'm like, how would they know that?

[Ebro]

And Laura, I'm clarifying, you're saying this is what Tick Tock is asking for now?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Laura Stiles]

For, for the Zionist thing. Listen, have I seen the word Zionist used in a way to be intentionally hateful to Jews? Absolutely, I have. However, at this time when people have now learned about what is happening and the death and destruction of people in Gaza, there is a lot of commentary involving the idea and problematic nature of Zionism that is a reasonable and needed conversation. And the idea that you would make that word one that you just simply can't use only furthers every bad narrative that exists about Jews already. And, and, and that idea of Israel's plan to make everyone associate Israel with Judaism all the time, it just, this just furthers that idea. So you can't talk about Israel. If you talk about Israel, you're insulting Jews.

[Ebro]

Do you believe, Rosenberg, that it is the plan to not only associate all Jews with Israel, but also to keep Jew Jewish people themselves in a constant state of traumatized fear so that there's this constant, constant fear going on. So it's this vicious cycle, self serving cycle going on.

[Laura Stiles]

Yes.

[Ebro]

You believe that to be a real mission for some people?

[Laura Stiles]

Oh yeah. I mean, listen, I believe that to be why I think October 7th was allowed to happen. I think the idea was, hey, yeah, we're going to lose, we're going to lose all these innocent people. But those are peace loving lefties mostly anyway. Right? So we're going to lose them. But it'll further this narrative that like we can we can now make sure everyone must protect Israel now? Again, that's not taking away. Just for anyone were to try to hear this and change my words. That's not taking anything away from the evil of Hamas. It's only pointing to the evil at the top of Israel that that was willing to potentially take a loss to keep the narrative and plan going. Because yes, they do want us scared. They want us to think we need Israel all the time.

[Ebro]

Some people have pointed to the fact that there's evidence and video of Netanyahu talking about helping Hamas and funding Hamas for the sake of continuing to keep some sort of opposition going and also keeping Gaza separate from the West Bank. Like, that's all been on the chessboard, if you will, for decades.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, originally, I think as it goes, Bibi Netanyahu wanted to support Hamas because he didn't want to strengthen the Palestinian Authority because the Palestinian Authority was moderate and there could actually be peace with them and it could actually work out that part. So he didn't want anything to do with the Palestinian Authority, so he beefed up Hamas to allow them to gain power. Can you like, believe that's a real thing? Like, when you find out how bad the people at the top of everything really are, it's, it's, it's mind numbing. It's. It makes you go like.

[Ebro]

Well, go back to what? It goes back to what you said earlier in the show. What do we even do?

[Laura Stiles]

What do we even. I know, it makes me appreciate Shawnee cultures view of the world more. It's all Babylon. I don't know what the hell you do, bro. I don't know what you do. Like, and on a real level, that's why, like, you were talking the other day, Ebro, about how it's at least our obligation to think about these things and, and, you know, sort of suffer at least with our thoughts and with our words to, to go through what people are going through. On the flip side of that coin, like, I understand people who are like, I cannot do anything. I feel completely powerless. I. I need to take care of my family and just be okay day to day. I can't. I can't knock you if that's what you're trying to do.

[Ebro]

Well, look, I'm late. We're laying in bed watching, I don't know, something with Salasi. Jazz is just crying. I turn, look, I'm like, what are you crying about? She's like, what? I don't know what to do. I'm think it's It's a blizzard outside. I'm thinking about people who are cold and like, oh, my God, to go right now.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro]

Like, she was like, you know, I think about what, you know, mothers go through, single mothers are going through right now. And then I start spiraling and thinking about mothers in Gaza having to, like, kids with amputees and these kids who got. Had no anesthesia getting their body parts amputated. Right. Like what the human experience is actually going through. Right. She was just crying. Just broke out crying.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It happens. It happens to me, too. It's when you, you just can't help it, I think. You cannot help it as a parent. Like, put yourself in all these different situations and it's. It. Listen, let me tell you, I keep telling you, the, the, the. The movie that I saw, the voice of. What is the name? I want to get it right. Yes, I'll get it right now. Let me just Google it real quick because I want to make sure I get it. But they just got nominated of hin Rajab Hind Rajab. Okay, I. Listen, guys, it's still. It's still with me. It broke me. And that's one. The story of one person, one angel, one child. And then, you know, and listen, I follow Doctors Without Borders and when you read the testimonials and, like, listen to what they've gone through, like, they wouldn't even let them come into Gaza with, like, that peanut butter. That's the. That has. It's high in fat and it's literally used to save starving children and they're not allowed to bring it in. It's cruelty.

[Laura Stiles]

And then I think about, like, yo, Alex Preddy's parents got a phone call on Saturday afternoon that the whole thing that was happening was their kid.

[Ebro]

That's right.

[Laura Stiles]

This kid who they raised to be a good boy. You know how hard it is, like, honestly, to all the parents out there raising good boys? Man, part of me wants to have my next child be a boy. And part of me doesn't just on account of, like, we need more good boys in this world because men are so terrible so often. They raised a good boy who went out there and did good things.

[Ebro]

Good things?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes, Good human.

[Laura Stiles]

And he was executed by their country. Like, yeah, Laura, to your point, it's just everywhere. And so I get how people get just completely overwhelmed. Laura, we need to get. Should we get into the rundown? I have your new full intro for.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay. Okay, let's do it.

[Ebro]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. New intro?

[Laura Stiles]

The full intro.

[Ebro]

Okay. That mean a Beat drop after.

[Laura Stiles]

That's right. Okay, let's go.

[Ebro]

Laura got the run down.

[Laura Stiles]

Turn that up. Screens on glow when she pulls up.

[Ebro]

Headlines heavy, but we still caught up. Life still flashing.

[Laura Stiles]

We don't slow up.

[Ebro]

I'm stuck. I don't. Who decided on these graphics? Who decided on this font? Like, where did this even come from? Who makes a decision?

[Laura Stiles]

I think Bascom did. I think he realized that with this new app we're trying. You have to have our names on the screen.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You have to. He said he tried everything, but there.

[Ebro]

Was no, like, you guys. He went over this with you?

[Laura Stiles]

No.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, yes, he talked it over with me when I got on earlier today.

[Ebro]

But you. You like this font where it says ebro ros.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I. I prefer it not be there. But he has no choice.

[Ebro]

No, I don't mind it. I'm asking you about the font itself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, I don't know. I don't know if he has a. I don't know if he has a choice.

[Laura Stiles]

We're losing our bed here. We're losing our story. It's almost out.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right, all right, all right. Well, I don't know if you guys saw, but the Clips and Pharrell have been announced as performers for the 2026 Grammys, which is exciting. Grammys are going down Sunday, February 1st, live from the Crypto.com arena in Los Angeles. So remember that the Clips is also nominated for five Grammys this year, which is exciting. Man, I really hope they take something they have to album of the year.

[Ebro]

No, no.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Best rap performance for chains and whips. Best rap song. Birds don't sing. Love that song. Best rap album and best music video.

[Ebro]

What do you think they perform? I think they perform. Birds don't sing. And John legend comes out.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro]

And there's literal birds flying.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Make everyone cry. Cuz that's what that talk made. That song choked me out.

[Laura Stiles]

I think. I think it's probably. Yeah, that's got to be that, right?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro]

You don't. You don't think stove guy cooks comes out?

[Laura Stiles]

No, I don't think they do fight. Listen, I'd be here for it. I don't want. I'm here for it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And you know, Pharrell's also nominated for four Grammys this year, but with. With. And everything is tied to the clips except.

[Ebro]

Glad I put you on to that clips album.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, man, I never would have heard it without you.

[Ebro]

God, man, I was putting your work on that album last year.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, you did.

[Laura Stiles]

You did go hard for it. Not like you Did Kendrick. But you went hard.

[Ebro]

What do you think I went harder for GNX than I did?

[Laura Stiles]

Well, I. I thought once you had GNX tattooed on your ass, I thought that that was a sign that you went for.

[Ebro]

Wait, I showed you my ass?

[Laura Stiles]

No, you mentioned it one day. You were like, we. You thought we were off the air. You're like, yo, I can't believe I got GNX tattooed on my ass. And I was like.

[Ebro]

Wow, that's a statement.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Wow, that's a big statement. All right. Well, speaking of Pharrell, man, I know you guys saw this, and it's sad to see Chad Hugo is suing Pharrell.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, come on, man.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, according to reports, this one's from Complex, man. They're saying that Chad is accusing Pharrell of sp. Specifically unpaid royalties and failing to properly account for the company's funds. He filed it in California. He's seeking at least 375,000 and potentially over a million. Over. No one ever really dies. The album.

[Ebro]

I got news for you. That number. So, first of all, this is getting a lot of headlines. Accounting issues, withholdings, unpayment is. I don't know. Roseburg, you can speak to this. You're closer to the publishing world than I am, but I hear it's pretty common. Not saying Pharrell is not liable here and not saying there isn't an issue here that needs to be pointed out, but let me tell you how much money those two have made together. Way more than $375,000 and way more than a million.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, I thought that number was pretty low, too, because it's only for the.

[Ebro]

Nerd album, which probably he's suing Pharrell, which I'm. Listen, I have to imagine with the stuff I've heard Pharrell. I know we hear they're at odds, but I've also heard behind the scenes that that's overstated. And the odds are really with people that are close to Chad, not with Pharrell. And I'm guaranteeing Pharrell makes sure this gets paid right and gets done right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, Chad is also. He says he claims he also owes him royalty money for most of the Neptunes and nerd catalog sales, along with touring revenue and merchandise partnership. So this is. This is a lot more.

[Ebro]

Yeah, no, it s. It sounds like. Look, there's stuff that needs to be worked out, but unfortunately, I guess it's very common in this business. Not making it right. But there's definitely people who want to go back in with forensic Accountants and. And nickel and dime and make sure they get everything they're owed. And Chad's definitely should be doing that. Make sure he's getting his money. Because guess who's got money? Them and Pharrell and everybody involved.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, everybody near it. I mean, bruh, the amount of publishing they've gotten over the years is. It's crazy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know.

[Laura Stiles]

They've done well.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know. Listen, this next story, I think can go into lowdown, so give it to me, Rosenberg.

[Laura Stiles]

Whoa, hold on.

[Ebro]

Wait. Which one?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Let's do this.

[Laura Stiles]

Wait.

[Ebro]

Who decided on these graphics. Now we have a wait. Well, I'm not.

[Laura Stiles]

I'd sort of like a little bit more like hoopla about the.

[Ebro]

Hey, Satan, just get. Let's take us to hell.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I take us to hell.

[Laura Stiles]

I'm here.

[Ebro]

It's time for the lowdown.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right, well, I'm sure you guys saw this, but Nicki Minaj has confirmed that she will attend the Trump account summit.

[Ebro]

That's my girl.

[Laura Rosenberg]

She'll be there. It's going to be all livestream in January. And she says she actually replied to a post from them saying that, look, this is the true meaning of paying it forward. You know, these Trump accounts, it's a very interesting situation because it's like, it's supposed to be for American children born between January 1, 2025, to December 31, 2028, and they're eligible to receive a $1,000, like, deposit.

[Ebro]

I hate to be rude. I hate to be rude.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro]

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Nikki's going to hang out with Trump at some event.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. Yes.

[Ebro]

Oh, yeah, I set it up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Laura Stiles]

Easy. Hold on one sec. Hold on.

[Ebro]

I think the reason I can't hear what you're saying, and I definitely don't want to hear from Satan because I don't give a damn, girl. Nikki, go do what you're gonna do.

[Laura Rosenberg]

There she is.

[Ebro]

Listen. And I'm tell you what else is gonna happen.

[Laura Stiles]

He's had enough. He's had enough.

[Ebro]

What else is gonna happen? She's gonna put out an album at some point next year, and we're all gonna listen to it.

[Laura Stiles]

Not me.

[Ebro]

Easy squeeze.

[Laura Stiles]

I haven't listened to it album since the pink print. I'll be.

[Ebro]

I bet you go through it. I bet you go through it to see what's in it.

[Laura Stiles]

Did something happen to me if I bumped my head? Was something off about me? Take me to the doctor. I hope Natalie takes me to the doctor. If that happens, she's like Peter's going through the Nicki Minaj album. Someone call someone, get his head check. And.

[Ebro]

And those saying they're not gonna listen, you're gonna be inundated with clips from it all that it's gonna happen.

[Laura Stiles]

Yes, you're wrong. I think you might be wrong. I think this moment's gonna have a bad effect.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I. I actually don't think he is.

[Ebro]

Because people are gonna hate. Listen. People are gonna share.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Talked about. It's gonna be controversial.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And the barbs are very much like, we don't care what she does. We're going to stick. Stick beside her. A lot of them are like that.

[Laura Stiles]

A lot will Laura. The loudest ones who are paid the most money to be these bots will do it. But a lot of the people who just enjoyed Nikki and they didn't pay attention to her shenanigans. They just like the music. They have heard about this. A lot of them, and they're out. I. This is going to have a bad effect. I feel very strongly about this.

[Ebro]

This.

[Laura Stiles]

It's gonna be quiet.

[Ebro]

I hope you're right. I hope you're right. Because this type of behavior deserves it, in my opinion.

[Laura Stiles]

No, she deserves a big old flopperoo.

[Ebro]

You know what I'm saying? But I don't think it's true. And it's unfortunate because I think she's talented.

[Laura Stiles]

I think she already was operating in a world where, like, the biggest records. Like the single on the last one. What was the. What was that record? The last big single she had where she sang on it. Yes.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Laura Stiles]

So like, that one made it to everyone. Like, it just became a.

[Ebro]

You know, it was super hit.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, super hit. Ubiquitous kind of song. Right. But like, the other stuff, Ebro, culturally, I. I don't. I don't think it makes it to everybody. You're kind of oddly biased just a tad in that you're so in music.

[Ebro]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Laura Stiles]

Like, you're in it. I'm telling you. I kind of operate when it comes to popular music now in a very, like, does it hit me space. That one with Uzi Vert was the only one that hit me.

[Ebro]

Like, I'm glad you brought that up. I think that's a great transition. If you don't mind Laura Styles to. To. Well, I mean, it could be the lowdown to the Jim Jones Kid Cudi conversation.

[Laura Stiles]

Oh, I got thoughts.

[Ebro]

We don't. Do we even have the Jim Jones or Kid Cudi clips today? Did anybody take it upon themselves to set those aside? As a hot topic.

[Laura Stiles]

I doubt it, but it's very easily explained in 12 seconds.

[Ebro]

No, because Jones was on a podcast that's right before.

[Laura Stiles]

He's done this before.

[Ebro]

Said, you know, without me, there's no Kid Cudi day and night. And he didn't get it. He got his deal because of me. Kid Cudi responded and was like, yo, shut the F up. That ain't true. We'll go to now Rosenberg for your take.

[Laura Stiles]

Thank you. Thank you very much. We were all there, so I'm sure we can all have the same take.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Laura Stiles]

Jim Jones version of Day and Night definitely took Day and night on the radio at Hot 97 to another level. It definitely took it to an all the DJs started playing it Mick show. It was. It definitely took it to the next level in a hip hop, New York sort of way. Day and night was already a thing.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes, yes.

[Ebro]

And Kid and I believe broke in la, right.

[Laura Stiles]

I don't, I don't know.

[Ebro]

On radio, I mean, I believe. Is that true?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't remember, but I just know it was a thing already.

[Ebro]

I remember the hearing that. But okay, I'm wrong, but it was already big, period, on the Internet.

[Laura Stiles]

Cudi was all, yeah, it was big on all the blogs. Cudi was already big downtown. There was the Crookers remix of Day and Night.

[Ebro]

Okay. Yeah.

[Laura Stiles]

Remember the up tempo club version?

[Ebro]

That's right.

[Laura Stiles]

Like it was already all a big, big thing. So they're. But you know what? They're both right and they're both wrong.

[Ebro]

Well, no, but that's why I brought it up now. Because you started talking about reaching to all of the places.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Right. And it's a perfect example of there being different ecosystems. Right. Because some people believe, oh, I have a hit because I was big on streaming. Some people believe, oh, I have a hit because I was big on radio, but it wasn't big on streaming. I've always believed you got to have it all to really have a hit.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah. And you're correct, sir. And, and, and to your point, those different things make it reach everywhere. So I, I think Cudi, if Jim didn't frame it the way he did, Cudi would gladly admit that that had a huge impact and it was super helpful, I think.

[Ebro]

So something in my brain says that they've had this discussion. They have before.

[Laura Stiles]

Have, bro. They have. Can I tell you, I want to see Kid Cudi's art in person because it looks fire. Have you seen Cudi's paintings?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I did. I saw some of them.

[Ebro]

I think.

[Laura Stiles]

I think turned into a nice.

[Ebro]

He's turning to him. See if he'll come on the program.

[Laura Stiles]

I thought. You know what? I thought about that yesterday when we were talking about our plans. I thought about him. I talked to him a few weeks ago. I'm gonna see if he wants to come by and just talk art about a program. Because now, real quick, we're a little behind here and we have to do the original gurus. We can talk more about this tomorrow. But, Ebro, I do have to mention everyone, if you're not yet a patron. Okay. Yes. Yes, A patron of Patreon. Last week, things went a little haywire and it was awesome on Patreon. We already have the new Patreon in the can. We do it drops Wednesday and the patrons are gonna get the first look at the plans. I'm not gonna say anything. Don't worry.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Laura Stiles]

Plans. Okay. So if. If you're not on Patreon, head over to ELR show on Patreon. There's already one up. We're dropping another on Wednesday. That's going to give our patrons the first look at the plans. Not to mention that great conversation. I mean, if you like the inside nitty, gritty ish talk, you're going to enjoy it. So I just want to shout out.

[Laura Rosenberg]

This one's a doozy.

[Laura Stiles]

Well.

[Ebro]

And I don't even like it.

[Laura Stiles]

Why not?

[Ebro]

Because I can't believe we're still talking about this.

[Laura Stiles]

Well, it wasn't just that. It was a lot of stuff.

[Ebro]

No, I know, but it's just like. Come on, listen.

[Laura Stiles]

It's life, bro. We're working through it. You gotta work big changes, bro. Life has. You know, it's hard to work through.

[Ebro]

The big changes you got. You two. I just take too long to work through things.

[Laura Stiles]

Or I would argue or sometimes you don't work through things at all. You just power forward and bury it deep down.

[Ebro]

No, no, no. I just. I just don't wanna. I don't. I. I kind of want to prolong it. It's like a prolonged thing. You know what I mean? I said what I needed to say, now did what I needed to do.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right? But let me tell you, just go to Patreon, man. Go look for us. Because it's a good one.

[Laura Stiles]

It's. It's a good one. It's you, the people who already signed up, man.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Laura Stiles]

We're super, like. We're super filled with gratitude for the amount of people that are. I've signed up already. It's very cool, man.

[Ebro]

Well, for the people that signed up already, I already think Rosenberg and Laura Styles are disrespecting you. You so complain.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, we are not. You know what?

[Ebro]

Complaints.

[Laura Stiles]

You know what, Laura?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Thank you. Ah, the original gurus. Gmail.com the original gurus. Gmail.com what is happening?

[Laura Stiles]

We're. We're trying something new today. We're going to see if we like the video from Riverside more. Ebro K. I knew. I knew that was coming. Next comment.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The original gurus. Gmail.com where you write to us. We take care of you. Rosenberg, who's out there? Who needs us?

[Laura Stiles]

Ah, so many. Reach out to the gurus.

[Ebro]

Zen, Zen, Zen.

[Laura Stiles]

The original gurus. I've been a fan of the show. Send your email. By the way, the original gurus. Gmail.com I've been a huge fan of the show for years. Was genuinely sad to hear that you all stepped away. I followed your work for a long time and have always respected how openly you stand up for social issues and inequality. That's actually why I wanted to reach out. I found it a bit strange that there hasn't been any mention of the protests in Iran or the people there living without power, especially given how vocal you've been about other causes. I still support and respect you all. It just stood out to me. I ask this honestly because I've run into this issue myself in the past. I've supported certain causes while staying silent on others that are just as serious. And it's made me feel hypocritical at times. My genuine question is, how do you support the causes you care about without feeling guilty for not speaking on every issue, Especially when some tragedies get far less attention simply because they aren't as trendy. Much love, regardless. And thank you for everything you've put out over the years.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Ebro]

You know why I haven't talked about Iran that much? And we've definitely talked about it on this show. We did last week on this version of the show.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Is because I don't know what the F is going on.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know. I was going to say I'm not that educated on it.

[Ebro]

I know that the government there is an oppressive government. We know that. I know that the government there that's currently in power is only in power because the United States of America destabilized and manipulated the voting population there during Nixon. I know that. I know that the Shah that was there in power before this current administration, that's there as an Oppressive, conservative, orthodox Muslim regime, whatever the hell it is.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro]

Was also corrupt. And that's why people wanted the shotgun and ran him out of there before this thing.

[Laura Stiles]

All right, the Ebro. The question wasn't Ebro, will you tell me everything you know about Iran? It was, but that's why I haven't.

[Ebro]

Talked about it, because I don't really know. Like, I don't know what's real, what's fake. I don't know.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, I'm with you and you, Laura. My understanding of it isn't great. That is in no way to diminish what is happening to the people in Iran. And of course, it's insane that our country is saying we're going to attack Iraq. At least they were saying it went away, but we're going to attack Iran. If they keep harming protesters, it's like they're stealing our gimmick. That's what we do. We harm and kill protesters.

[Ebro]

Well, that's another layer. Where do we even got room to talk?

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah, I just think we don't want to mess up. There is not some agenda to not talk about it at all.

[Ebro]

Well, and you know what else? And this is. And this applies to Cuba, Iran and a lot of places around the world. When you listen to people in the United States, America, about the countries they fled from to come to the U. S, that obviously shapes how you feel about it. But when you do the history on it, oftentimes the people who left those places to come to America and were allowed into the United States was because the United States had an interest in whatever country that was in making that country destabilized. So the people who came here. Right. Have a view that's based on the US Filter.

[Laura Stiles]

Right.

[Ebro]

And I can't trust that either.

[Laura Stiles]

It makes it very complicated. Even with the Venezuela stuff. It all Cuba, as you said, it makes it all. It always makes it complicated because you're.

[Ebro]

Like, oh, wait, so you're against Cuba on the side of the US but the US Is the reason that Cuba's suffering.

[Laura Stiles]

Yeah. It's okay to answer the person's question, though. I don't think anyone has to feel guilt about speaking out on some issues and not others. I think it would behoove all of us to do the work and pay attention and try to be able to speak out on all issues. But I think you also don't want to speak out on stuff when you don't know what you're talking about.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I agree. I agree. And I think as our show evolves we'll be bringing in some guests that are way more educated in a lot of these subjects to break things down and make it easier for y'.

[Laura Stiles]

All.

[Ebro]

And it should be noted, even before this iteration of the Ebro Laura Rosenberg experience, we had talked about Iran with regard to the oppressive regime and even them abusing women for how they dressed in the streets and, and, and arresting people and the youth movements there. We've talked about all of that before for. But once again, we have limited information.

[Laura Stiles]

Right. So, so don't feel bad. I mean, and certainly don't take any judgment. Please don't judge us for it. We, we're doing the best we can to stay up on the stuff that.

[Ebro]

We know or judge us or judges.

[Laura Stiles]

We'll try to work harder on it.

[Ebro]

Judge us, email us and we'll respond.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's right. All right. I hope that helps. So say the gurus.

[Ebro]

How many emails do we actually have in the gurus these days are coming.

[Laura Stiles]

Let's see. They have, they have been coming. Let me look.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Pause. Original gurus, gmail.com.

[Ebro]

Who decided on this?

[Laura Stiles]

4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

[Ebro]

I still need to know.

[Laura Stiles]

I still have nine emails I haven't gotten to in the original Gurus [e-mail].

[Laura Rosenberg]

That'S right.

[Laura Stiles]

Now, guys, tomorrow after the program tomorrow, I'm off to Saudi Arabia.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm going let you, I'm going let.

[Laura Stiles]

You know how that trip goes and I'm going to try to get on with us at the end of the week.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay?

[Ebro]

The inner. They allow you on the Internet out there now. You know, they're, they're all up to the time. You know, they're having events. They allow people on the Internet. Women could go to the movies. They could drive cars.

[Laura Stiles]

They could drive. Yeah, we're going to be outside. I'm taking the official airline of Saudi Arabia. I thought I had to go to Toronto and get on the charter with wwe, but now I'm leaving directly from jfk, which I'm excited about on Saudi Air. Or you know what that means, guys, when you fly on, on, on Saudia. No booze on the plane, folks. No booze on the plane.

[Ebro]

I'm not a big drinker on planes anyway.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't do it either.

[Laura Stiles]

I do. If. It's if. Listen, when it's business class, you know, I'm always trying to take advantage of what, what, what, what did you give me? Oh, wait, let me try. What. What's the best drink? Let me try.

[Ebro]

Listen, I'm gonna take advantage of them. Free snacks.

[Laura Stiles]

No, but I will, I will say the food looks super interesting on this plane. I looked at it. All the south food they serve you looks pretty cool.

[Ebro]

The delicious stuff like that coffee airline on any country. Like when you're like, oh, I'm gonna jump on pick a country, Swiss Air, right, whatever. The food is amazing. Now I dare you to jump on American. Yo, hit yourself with the button.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Get a cold ass turkey sandwich.

[Ebro]

Hit yourself with the button. You played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Anyway, bye. Yeah, subscribe.

[Laura Stiles]

Subscribe elr show on Patreon too, kids.

[Ebro]

Just don't call it a podcast.