24.) The Jay-Z Discussion, Both Sides Mad + Border Patrol Out of Minnesota (1/28/26)

Summary

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The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show: Ep. 24 — The Jay-Z Discussion, Both Sides Mad + Border Patrol Out of Minnesota (01/28/26)

Overview

This episode centers on the heated aftermath of the show's Patreon discussion about Jay-Z's discography and legacy. Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg break down the social media backlash they’ve received, the sensitive nature of hip-hop fandom, and examine the broader issues of critique versus hate in music and culture. The show also explores recent hip-hop and pop culture news—including Summer Walker and Kid Cudi tours, Pharrell and Chad Hugo’s legal spat, and political controversy around ICE and law enforcement in Minnesota.

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Main Discussion: Jay-Z, Criticism, and Internet Outrage

Context & Recap ([00:42]–[19:19])

• The trio discusses repercussions from their Patreon conversation about Jay-Z's career, with Ebro noting that even his wife questioned his comments:

  “She was like, isn’t he your friend?...Why would you say he was doing the dance?” — Ebro ([07:58])

• “Doing the dance”: The hosts dive into the meaning and public reaction to describing Jay-Z's career moves as “doing the dance”—i.e., making compromises for commercial success.

  “You’re doing the dance. Some dance. Everybody’s on a dance floor somewhere at some time… You’re code-switching… you’re putting on a costume so that you don’t offend people.” — Ebro ([01:59])

• Laura pushes back on the critique, noting that fans often can’t handle nuanced discussion of their favorites:

  “People don’t like the phrase specifically ‘doing the dance’…They don’t like it.” — Laura ([03:02])
  “If I can’t sit here and talk about Tom Brady…So we just can’t talk about him?...Come on, bro.” — Laura ([05:06])

• Ebro addresses claims of “clout chasing” and defends critical conversation as “algorithm hustling”:

  “Yes, we’re algorithm hustling. We’re having a conversation about the greatest rapper of all time and the maneuvers he had to make.” — Ebro ([04:00])

• The hosts reflect on the inability to engage in critical but loving conversations about beloved public figures—drawing parallels to criticism of America and Israel, and noting how disagreement gets labeled as hatred:

  “People do this with a lot of things…Oh, you must be being anti-Semitic talking about Israel like that. No, no, no…I think I have a right to do that.” — Ebro ([06:18])

• Criticism vs. Hate in Hip Hop:

  “You struggle to get into the fun conversations because…as much as you wouldn’t think they’re like that, people are really sensitive.” — Laura ([10:12])
  “People confuse feelings and facts. And since we’re talking about art…it’s hard to really…land on a fact.” — Ebro ([16:21])

Memorable Moments & Meta-Commentary

• The show pokes fun at the “congratulations, you played yourself” soundboard and the tendency for people to react without reading or watching the full context ([11:00], [13:01]).
• Laura expresses exasperation at the “nasty take” accusations from fans and the trend of comment-section culture:

  “You just gotta get to the comment quick, see if your comment can get likes…Like, what are y’all talking about?” — Laura ([15:00])

Timestamps on Major Points

• [01:17] — Introduction of “the dance” and why it offends people
• [05:44] — Defending the right to critical discussion about musical heroes
• [10:12] — “Annoying thing in hip-hop: you really…struggle to get into the fun conversations…people are really sensitive.”
• [17:26] — Celebration of Jay-Z’s risk-taking and place in hip-hop history
• [19:29] — Idea: “Complaining About Our Favorite Rappers” segment

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Notorious B1 Controversy: The “Juicy” Sample Debate ([20:18]–[28:38])

• The hosts revisit resurfacing claims that Biggie and Puff Daddy borrowed not just the “Juicy” beat, but possibly even the name Notorious B1 from an earlier Mississippi rapper.

• They compare tracks, laugh about the “Notorious B1” name, and describe the resulting internet debates.

  “I am willing to state that Biggie Smalls was a better and more talented rapper than Notorious B1. Hold that. Write it down. Take a picture. I believe that in my heart and soul.” — Laura ([26:15])

• Rosenberg is unapologetic in his critique:

  “And they're not even...that guy's not a good rapper. I mean, he's just not talented. That was not good music. I'm just being...He was all right.” — Laura ([25:49])

• The crew muses on hip hop’s legal and copyright minefields and joke about “offending the B1 Hive.”

• They reflect on being “highly disliked” by both sides of past controversies due to either being “too hard” or “not hard enough,” and welcome their dedicated YouTube/Patreon audience ([29:22]).

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Hip-Hop & Pop Culture News: Rundown with Laura Styles ([30:09]–[37:06])

Tours and Artist News

• Summer Walker’s “Trilogy” Tour announced, featuring Monaleo and Odile:

  “Odile is the real deal.” — Ebro ([31:35])

• Kid Cudi launching “The Rebel Rangers Tour” with Big Bo and Mia, A-Trak making appearances.

  “I stay in touch with Cudi. I think he’d do it…especially to talk about, like, you know, fun stuff.” — Laura ([32:26])

Pharrell vs. Chad Hugo Lawsuit

• Discussion of the lawsuit over publishing royalties in The Neptunes/N.E.R.D. partnership.
• Ebro and Laura parse the legal/financial typicality in music, but Laura references their “weird” past interview with Chad as context for possible personal tensions.

  “I think things are probably weird. That’s my guess.” — Laura ([35:01])
  “I just assumed…Chad was like, yo, I might be owed some money.” — Ebro ([34:28])

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The Lowdown: Border Patrol, ICE, and Political Fallout in Minnesota ([37:04]–[46:14])

• Focuses on the recent story of an ICE agent killing a white veteran during a chaotic protest in Minneapolis—a moment with major political backlash, especially among gun rights and Republican constituents.

• Includes a powerful video and statement from a Republican candidate stepping down in protest over ICE’s “unconstitutional” expansion:

  “Weaponizing criminal investigations against political opponents is unconstitutional…Republicans and Democrats alike have engaged in this misconduct…They need to do better.” — MN GOP candidate ([43:00])

• The panel points out the irony of Republican officials being forced to denounce their own policies due to backlash, and the hypocrisy of their earlier positions.

  “He didn’t know that the plans to run around and grab millions of people and deport them was going to lead to this...? This is where I can’t…believe it.” — Ebro ([45:23])

ICE to Italy?

• Breaking news drops: ICE agents to “help with security” at the Winter Olympics in Italy, causing collective groaning from the hosts ([45:57]).

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Other Notable Moments

Super Bowl Set ([47:53]–[52:10])

• Ebro and Laura joke about the “boring” matchup between the Seahawks and Patriots, shout out to Macklemore, and a running Cardi B anecdote about her championship game appearance.
• “I want to see her cursing and throwing nachos.” — Laura ([49:20])

The Gurus: Listener Dilemma ([52:11]–[56:22])

• Listener writes in about the financial/social stress of friend groups turning 40 and expecting expensive group trips/dinners.
• Advice: You can skip the trips with a polite excuse, but dodging every event may mean others won’t attend yours. Be mindful and realistic.

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Notable Quotes & Sound Bites

• On the inability to critique icons:

  “If you’re someone who truly enjoys an art form, you enjoy getting into all that stuff.” — Laura ([17:20])

• Ebro on “doing the dance":

  “We all soft shoe, man. We soft shoe at work. Yo, if you live in a building, you got a neighbor you want to punch in the face, and guess what? You’re doing the dance…” ([09:38])

• On backlash culture:

  “Feelings are facts to people. You know that, right? People confuse feelings and facts.” — Ebro ([16:21])

• Gurus' advice on birthday group trips:

  “I think the trip ones you can…work, you know, it's just too expensive. Maybe just give them a gift on the side…But I say the dinners, you might have to do it. But the trips, I think are allowed, you know what I mean, to get out.” — Laura ([55:01])

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Conclusion: Epilogue & Takeaways

• This episode is a quintessential ELR blend: hard-hitting conversation about music, fandom, and society, laced with humor, introspection, and insider knowledge.
• The hosts encourage open discourse—even if it gets them in hot water—and ultimately champion the right to critique the art and culture they love.

“We can’t make anyone happy. This is why we currently do the ELR show for just our tens of thousands of fans…we struggle to make anybody happy.” — Ebro ([30:03])

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Transcript

[Ebro Darden]

Just don't call it a podcast. Ebro Laura Rosenberg show.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, hold on. I wasn't ready when you said it. I wasn't ready for the. To make the whole thing start. Say, yeah, you got to say it like that one more time. Well, now it's just getting annoying. But.

[Ebro Darden]

What'S wrong with.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We got plans.

[Laur St.]

Mans on plans on plans.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, ladies and gentlemen, I gotta tell you about all the 90,000 conversations I had to have because we had a convo about Jay Z's discography.

[Laur St.]

People got offended.

[Ebro Darden]

Yet my wife, she was offended. She's like, he's your friend. I'll tell you guys about it. I'll tell you guys all about it. And then there was definitely some interesting commentators in our, in our comments. I don't know if you saw.

[Laur St.]

I saw. But why do people make it seem like it's like it was coming after Jay Z? It was literally just a discussion.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, that's what we're going to talk about today on the program. And if you haven't subscribed to the Patreon, you're missing out on a great Jay Z conversation, which I thought was. I didn't even think it was slanderous at all. Okay. But you know what really offends people? And you're all in denial, Every single one of you listening right now, watching right now to the Ebro Laura Rosenberg show. Get my dancing music. Get my goddamn dancing music. Oh, you're all in denial if you don't think you're out here doing the dance. I think that's what really in the clip, the reality that I'm doing the dance, Laura's doing the dance, Rosenberg's doing the dance.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What dance? We do.

[Ebro Darden]

You're doing the dance. Some dance. Everybody's on a dance floor somewhere at some time. Now, are you dancing with the devil? Maybe not, but you're doing a dance. Your code, switching. You're making people comfortable. Yeah, yeah. You're, you're putting on a costume so that you don't offend people. You're, you know, dress in a certain way so that you can fit in. You're. You're doing all the d. We all do dances, man. Like, it's not even that deep.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But what dance are we talking about at this exact moment?

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I'm talking about. Well, which dance are you doing? I mean, you're on your way to Saudi Arabia to do the dance.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No.

[Ebro Darden]

No. Is that what you're talking about?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. No. What are we talking about.

[Ebro Darden]

No, we're talking about Jay Z. In the clip of Jay Z, we.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Said doing the dance. Right, right. Okay.

[Ebro Darden]

So you're saying to try to get on mainstream charts and, and, and get, you know, number one hits and collaborating with people because he wanted to do the dance. He wanted to get out.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I should probably, I should probably explain this now before we have to deal with the next five years of Ebro going, I don't know why anyone doesn't like this. People aren't good.

[Ebro Darden]

People don't like that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They don't like the phrase specifically doing the dance. It's, is, is.

[Ebro Darden]

No, I get it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, just be like, let's just get this out of the way so we don't have. Every time I have to go, everyone does a dance, they're going to be offended by doing the dance. Just let them be offended by doing the dance.

[Ebro Darden]

Right, I'm with you, but I didn't say that. I said you're in denial if you're thinking you're not doing.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, right, right. I just mean.

[Ebro Darden]

That's all I'm saying. I know people are going to get in their feelings about it. Matter of fact, if you were paying attention, I said, I know why people are upset. Get my dancer.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, true.

[Ebro Darden]

It's because in the clip we said he was doing a dance, but you're not listening.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, it was, There were so many layers to doing the dance there. I got, I got confused. And I was looking up the comments because I really hadn't seen. I, I, I get a little bit frustrated. And we talked about this yesterday, the day before, whatever it was, with the inability to be able to have a conversation about anyone that's not 100% ick sucking. It's like, yo, why you got, you got to come for him?

[Ebro Darden]

Well, so, no, but, so, but see, see, here's the other part. This was my fun, the funniest part. Then people that I know and in the comments, a couple of people, they were like, yo, y' all just clout chasing. And I was like, yes, we're algorithm hustling. We're having a conversation about the greatest rapper of all time and the maneuvers he had to make. Some of them didn't land so good. And in retrospect, didn't look good. Right? Because he wanted to be the most dominant, biggest star ever in hip hop. He wanted to be the guy we call hov. So, yes, like, and oh, here's the other one. I had a private conversation about this one.

[Laur St.]

Oh, my God.

[Ebro Darden]

Tarnish Why did you use the word tarnish?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, my.

[Ebro Darden]

I was like. I mean, well, he's gold, so I guess technically I can't. He's the gold standard. So I guess technically I can't say tarnish because gold does it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I can't. Listen, you know what? I'm. I'm. It's.

[Ebro Darden]

This is one thing I will say. This is what I will say. And I'm glad people love Jay Z. That's what. That's what really landed.

[Laur St.]

Yes.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And I think also.

[Laur St.]

But we love Jay Z. I think.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I think they're also, though we're haters. I think the people. I think the people that love Jay Z are also so used to the people who hate Jay Z that when they see the convo, they go up, here we go. More, bro. If you're. If you. If I can't sit here and talk about Tom Brady, you know, not being able to scramble or like, one of the things that made Tom Brady great is that he's the greatest of all time, but he's not really the best quarterback of all time, but he's the greatest of all time. If I can't have these conversations. So we just. So we just can't talk about him. We just got. He's the greatest.

[Ebro Darden]

That's why. That's why. So that's what I almost did. I almost spazzed on somebody yesterday and was like, so we can't talk about Jay Z?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, we can't.

[Ebro Darden]

We can't talk about the things we love and don't love about Jay Z. That can't happen.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm. I'm wearing a Larry David Kith shirt right now. I can't point out the seasons that weren't my favorite. When I'm like, oh, I kind of felt like that year was a little weird. What? No, if you. Not if you love him, not if you think he's the greatest, you. Every year was great. It. Come on, bro. Come on.

[Ebro Darden]

But, you know, people do this.

[Laur St.]

Very sensitive.

[Ebro Darden]

No, people do this with a lot of things. Laur St.

[Laur St.]

They do.

[Ebro Darden]

People do it with the United States of America. Oh, you. You. I mean, just leave it. I mean, why don't you. Why don't you just leave? They're like, no, no, no. I actually love it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's.

[Ebro Darden]

Which is why I'm being critical of certain things. Oh, I mean. I mean, you must be being anti Semitic talking about Israel like that. No, no, no, no. Actually, I'm just critiquing one of the more powerful nations on the planet that's an ally of the country I live in that my tax dollars go to. I think I have a right to do that. I think I could be critical of the government.

[Laur St.]

How dare you?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I want Jay Z. As I said in the clip, I bought Reasonable Doubt day one. I'm not allowed. I don't earn a pass from being there from the very beginning in 96, because there aren't that many people who can analyze it over a period of the entire. You have to love him to be able to analyze the whole 30 years. We can't do that.

[Ebro Darden]

How about this? How about this? Jay Z himself has even publicly said there's albums of his that he didn't really like that much or that weren't his best work himself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, but he's allowed to say that, right?

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, I mean, that's really what it comes down to. We're just not allowed. Hit me with the button.

[Laura Rosenberg]

This is. I don't understand.

[Ebro Darden]

I hate. It was a good time, though.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Congratulations.

[Ebro Darden]

People love you, and I'm so happy for us to have such a thing that we, that we can. And I. Look, I don't think any of the conversations I had were, you know, like, you know, that dramatic. The most dramatic and surprising was my wife.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What was she saying?

[Ebro Darden]

She was like, isn't he your friend? Isn't. Isn't he your friend? Like, you guys are like, cool. Why would you say he was doing the dance? She also about sh.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You said, shani's doing the dance. I mean, with respect to your relationship with Jay Z, I think you're closer.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, my response to her was I said Rosenberg was going to dance.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

I said, I'm doing a dance from time to time. We all do the dance. She's like, yeah, but I was like, if you don't stop it.

[Laur St.]

What was a but, though?

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, but she didn't have one. She, I think she just probably was, like, thinking, you know, he's Jay Z. Same thing everybody else was thinking. He's Jay Z. Why would you publicly be critical of somebody who's so great, that you love and that loves you back and that you're friends with? It's probably the combo of all.

[Laura Rosenberg]

My wife. My wife does this a lot. When I talk about something, she'll be like, you don't. You know them. And I'm like, nat, I, I. This is what the job is. Sometimes you say things and people won't like you for it. And if they're really that sensitive and can't, like, it's One thing to be mean. It's one thing to attack people and call them out.

[Ebro Darden]

We were not mean, but by the way, we weren't mean.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It didn't even cross my mind of being mean, like, although, you know, listen.

[Ebro Darden]

Jay Z, like I said, Jay Z.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Will see things and Jay Z will pick up the phone and let you know how we feel. You just want to go back to the dancing music over and over again.

[Laur St.]

You sure that's the way evidence suggests?

[Ebro Darden]

This is the part that pisses people off because the dancing, that's offensive. That's what got me and Stephen ay at eye.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's just a light little shoulder, though.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. But it's the idea that you're dancing almost like you're. You're putting on a show for people.

[Laura Rosenberg]

In the song.

[Ebro Darden]

You're soft shoes. But the truth of the matter is, we all soft shoe, man. We soft shoe at work. Yo. If you live in a building, you got a neighbor you want to punch in the face, and guess what? You're doing the dance. When you don't punch him in the face, that's doing the dance. Technically, you want to punch him in the face. You know you do.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

But nope. But, nope. You're on the elevator with them and you just sit quiet. You don't even engage. You don't even start an argument.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I just, I just.

[Laur St.]

The thing that maybe a good morning you might throw.

[Ebro Darden]

You might even say good morning to them, and you hate the effing guts.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The frustrating part is, though, within hip hop, it really is that this has always been an annoying thing in hip hop. You really. You struggle to get into the fun conversations because people, as much as you know, you wouldn't think they're like that. People are really sensitive.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Well.

[Ebro Darden]

And you can't even have nuanced combo like, you can't.

[Laur St.]

Especially with the Internet, though. I think the Internet is a special place. Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Made it much worse.

[Laur St.]

If you say you like oranges, what about apples? You know what I mean? It's.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, no. That is the.

[Laur St.]

Like, you can't say anything because. Yeah, I saw people saying in the comments like, I still like Jay Z. What makes you think we don't?

[Ebro Darden]

Well, maybe because the way things are edited, people don't actually subscribe to our Patreon. Check for it. The ELR show on Patreon. So they haven't heard the whole convo. They assume that's our fault, then is the convo. And that. And that's, that's, you know, that's.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Congratulations. You Played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's our.

[Ebro Darden]

We allow. And we allow edits to go out without reveal. And the guy editing our stuff is a. An avid reality show watcher of trash television and loves to do salacious things.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, I mean, that is what you're tasking with. With trying to get people to, you know, click the videos.

[Laur St.]

But no.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, I'm just giving people.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But I mean, this one you did play when you. Oh, yeah, you're forgetting the part too. When we played the music, you started singing. I know what girls like over the. The dance music. Yeah.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Congratulations. You played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it's gonna hit people.

[Laur St.]

He did a Funky Sunshine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It was all, you know, I'm just looking at it right now. People are so.

[Laur St.]

It is what it is. It's the end.

[Ebro Darden]

What about you?

[Laura Rosenberg]

As a kid, under 10, growing up, we liked these songs. That's how you know they were bad songs.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Congratulations. You played yourself.

[Ebro Darden]

And by the way, we weren't even saying that they were right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But that's. That's what we meant by. And we didn't even get into. We didn't even get into Empire State of Mind. I left that alone.

[Ebro Darden]

Empire State of Mind special. I don't hate Empire State of Mind as much as you do.

[Laur St.]

Yeah, I don't hate it either.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't want to hear it.

[Laur St.]

I hate it.

[Ebro Darden]

I love what it represents. I love. There's things about, you know, about his verse that you make. You go, come on, man.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But there's. There's some. Come on, man. Yankee kid, like a Yankee. There's just some things about it that are weird. It is not my favorite.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah. But, but, but listen, I love the record, and I love both people on the record.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, I like. But you guys know I prefer the Alicia Key slow joint.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, you do like that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's the one I'm listening to. Chorus is great, but also, like, the drums at Empire State of Mind are knowing that. It's just like the whole thing is not for me. Even though. Yeah, obviously you hear it in the right moment, you go, oh, man, I love living here. This is great.

[Ebro Darden]

But listen, maybe the people that was in the comments subscribed to the Patreon. Maybe it worked. Did we get any subscriptions?

[Laura Rosenberg]

This is the worst take y' all ever had.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, that's right there.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You don't pay enough attention. If you think that's the wor. No, if you think that's the worst take. That just shows we don't listen.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, now Rah's offended.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, you just went after him.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, because he said that he, you know, the. The. It was three minutes long and, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And. No, we did. We did go up.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, he actually.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He did make it a long clip to give it some more context. He did. There is context here.

[Laur St.]

He did. He said, I should have warned you. And I got it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You know, He.

[Ebro Darden]

He did.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He actually gave it a lot of context. It's a long clip. I wonder if people even watch the whole clip. How about that?

[Ebro Darden]

They didn't. No. No, they didn't. There was something else. There was something else we posted about. About. I think it was Alex Preddy. No. Was that it?

[Laur St.]

Yeah. The clip that was out about empathy.

[Ebro Darden]

Was that what it was?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Laur St.]

About, like, how a lot of us have been feeling overwhelmed emotionally.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, yes.

[Laur St.]

Of all the chaos happening in the world and.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And people had a problem with that.

[Ebro Darden]

People had a problem. But also the Jim Jones. Jim Jones clip. Also the Jim Jones. Jim Kid Cudi, Instagram. I'm looking at the comments now of people who just didn't listen to the entire clip where you basically said it was both. Right. Where we were talking about. People were like, I didn't even know that. Jim Jones. And you were like. And we were talking about different ecosystems in the clip. The fact that things happen differently in different places. And they were like, I didn't even know that took place. No. And you're like, well, it. But it did.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Nice. Honestly.

[Ebro Darden]

And you didn't.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm gonna be so annoyed. I'm gonna be so annoyed. I'm into posting another clip today. This isn't to make me post another clip.

[Ebro Darden]

Jim Jones.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, no, no. I'm going through all these comments. The fact that you were like. The fact that people can't recognize that there are Jay Z haters out there who suck, who diminish the greatest or very close to the greatest of all time. And then there are people who love him and want to nerd out and have conversations about him and dissect what was the best and what wasn't. And you can't even do that because y' all can't read or listen to things or have any sort of attention span. You just got to get to the comment quick, see if your comment can get likes. Like. Like, what are y' all talking about? I'm just looking at and seeing how many people.

[Ebro Darden]

Nasty take.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Nasty take, nasty. You guys don't know what nasty takes. Are we. Because we.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I don't even know if people in that comment. It was because they wanted to get their comment liked, as you asserted. I don't see their emote.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They.

[Ebro Darden]

They're triggered emotional and they just jump right in. But that's the world, man. That is the world. We gotta get used to that. Hit. Hit us with the button for complaining about us.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Congratulations, you played. Yes.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You just can't worry about it and.

[Ebro Darden]

Making people feel something. But I definitely admitted to algorithm hustling when they were like, you just posted that. I was like, anything I post is to get a reaction. The whole. That's the whole thing you post on the whole reason someone wrote.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Someone wrote. Nah, I don't know what y' all are talking about. That was a solid hood love song. My ex in school used to be like, if I need it, would you give me your kidneys? And I'd say for show.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You think that was an argument point?

[Laur St.]

You think that good for you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That scored points for you.

[Laur St.]

It means something.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and that's. Listen, people, feelings. Feelings are facts to people. You know that, right?

[Laur St.]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

People confuse feelings and facts. And since we're talking about art, it's hard to really, you know, we're critiquing art, so it's hard to really, like, land on a fact. Unless you're gonna use Charles said hating.

[Laura Rosenberg]

On Jay Z was a sport. Now hating on Jay Z, man, I hate it, yo.

[Ebro Darden]

It breaks my heart. It breaks my heart. Hit me with the button.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Actually, congratulations, you played yourself.

[Ebro Darden]

Y' all actually hurt my feelings that you received that. You received that Jay Z conversation that well.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And it's. It's annoying that not only do, you know, like, you artists getting sensitive, but the fact that fans can't hear a conversation is really mind numbing to me because, like, we can get down Ebro. There's not an artist we could talk about. Not one that I won't be able to point out some missteps or things that aren't my favorite about what they do.

[Ebro Darden]

That's.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's. If you're a. If you're someone who truly enjoys an art form, you enjoy getting into all that stuff.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and also someone that took as many risks because he was great as Jay Z.

[Laura Rosenberg]

When someone who was just so big and. Yeah. And was kind of. Kind of had to keep trying to do stuff, but like, y' all are gonna what a.

[Ebro Darden]

Break barriers. To break barriers for hip hop. Like, to legitimately do new things for hip hop, risks had to be taken.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I just put up a post the other day about how I came a Long way about a volume one. I've grown.

[Ebro Darden]

It's not good enough. Hit yourself with the button.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Laur St.]

No, I heard you.

[Ebro Darden]

Nobody, Nobody even. Because it was positive. It was positive. I even recently it was positive. So the algorithm didn't even move. I even.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it actually got. It actually did really well. People really got. But you know what? They probably still took it as hate.

[Ebro Darden]

Like, damn you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

A lot of the comments were like, it took you this long.

[Ebro Darden]

Why, why you need.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yo, man, I, I can't. You know what? I. Why'd you bring this up?

[Ebro Darden]

Because I figured it would be.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it is. But I'm annoyed about. I, I. We can't even have a hip hop conversation and you had to hear from real people, which means Jay Z probably heard about it too. And Jay Z was probably like, oh, these a holes. Go again. Not respecting me. Come on, bro.

[Ebro Darden]

So do we owe. We owe them a public apology?

[Laura Rosenberg]

You know what, should we do it? Is it time? Should we.

[Ebro Darden]

Do we have music for our.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't have that in my system yet.

[Ebro Darden]

Damn.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I gotta like get something sad.

[Laur St.]

What are you gonna say? I'm sorry for having discussion. I'm sorry for critiquing. I'm sorry for having an opinion.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And that has a little bit of.

[Ebro Darden]

No, no. The beat, the drum.

[Laura Rosenberg]

If it just had. If it just had the. Then there'd be something. Once the drums come.

[Ebro Darden]

Dear Jay Z, you know what I need? I need, I need to stand. I need the Eminem stand.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Pencil writing. That's, you know, that's right around the same time 45 King did hard Knock Life.

[Ebro Darden]

See, there you go. Boom. Way to tie it together. Hip hop nerd style, man. You know what I mean?

[Laura Rosenberg]

What if we. There's so many, so many artists. Oh, it's just ruins it. You know what it makes me want to do more you, bro. We should do a segment called complaining about our favorite rappers.

[Ebro Darden]

I love it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Complain here. You want to hear what I hear? I can tell you all the things I don't like.

[Ebro Darden]

Who's on your list? Who's on your list?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Everybody.

[Ebro Darden]

If you were to complain about your favorite rappers, who's at. Who's like top. So we already. Jay Z. Who you going to do you have to do Nas?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I got a lot on Nas. I got a lot on Nas. Lots. I love him. I love him. He's one of the alltime. Listen, his first album was arguably the greatest album of all time. So guess what? That's, that's a high standard. And we didn't always hit it.

[Ebro Darden]

Yo. And. And you know what, though? What actually just clicked in my brain if we put Pac on that list and gave an. That we're going to critique.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, man.

[Laur St.]

Oh, everything will blow up.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, no. N. Listen, they might protest.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They might protest.

[Ebro Darden]

They might protest.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They try to get us fired again. They would try to get us fired again. They'd be like, can we get you.

[Ebro Darden]

Fired from your own show now, Rosenberg, open up your browser on you. On your. On your computer, and I want you to look up Mississippi rapper Notorious B1. This is circulating on the Internet. I don't know if this is AI. I don't know if people are playing games. I don't know if this was a thing back then. I've never heard this before. We definitely knew that the name Biggie Smalls was a. A white kid, and so that's why he had to go to the.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We've talked about Notorious B1 about this. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Have we talked about Notorious B1 like we have.

[Laur St.]

I don't know, but I saw it too. Ebright. It just started circulating again.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, I saw some people covering. They were in shambles because.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, this is the Ish. Big. Oh, yeah. This is very similar. Yeah, this is similar.

[Ebro Darden]

I feel. Did we talk about this?

[Laur St.]

I feel like we have.

[Ebro Darden]

Do you. Can you play it from where you are? Do you got to send it over to production to get it?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I might be able to play. Give me a minute. I can play it off my phone.

[Ebro Darden]

Notorious B1. So you have Big Daddy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Big Daddy.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't know the name of the record. Is it Mississippi Something?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I think Big Daddy's the big one that comes up first. So why did this come up again? It's that he's. That. It sounds like Biggie. It sounds like Puff found this and stole Biggie stuff. Right, right.

[Ebro Darden]

Because. And then everyone's blaming Puff in the combo in the convo or comments because they're like, big didn't even want to do Juicy and Puff did. So everybody's blaming Puff.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right.

[Ebro Darden]

I think we so.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So. And it. And it reportedly came out, according to Wikipedia, November 23, 1993.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And juicy came out August 1994.

[Ebro Darden]

Yep. So that's the story people are in shambles about. And I knew we had talked about, you know, it Big and Biggie Smalls and him changing his name. I didn't know we had gone over the notorious B.1.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't remember if it was here or. Or Juanit, but I know I've talked About it. I know. I was like, oh, I didn't know about this.

[Laur St.]

So has the artist B1. He definitely came out and was like, yo, they stole my, my record. Was he ever vocal about it?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't think anybody knows. Anybody know this guy? Is he around?

[Ebro Darden]

I. I don't know. Let's see. No, let's see. Notorious B1. Mississippi based rapper named Notorious B1 was active from the early nights. He allegedly more recent years that his name. He alleged in more recent years that his name was stolen, implying that his specific different artists. He's still alive.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, it looks like Vlad. It looks like DJ Vlad interviewed him at some point. I think, you know, you know, Vlad ain't missing that opportunity no way.

[Ebro Darden]

It's actually, it's an interesting.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, that is, that's, that's. Listen, I give credit where credit is due. No, it's not Vlad.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, is it Vlad? Let me see.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I can't tell. No, it looks like it's. It's on a website.

[Ebro Darden]

Gulfport, Mississippi is where he's from.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay, here, here it is in 2022 on the art of dialogue. He's talking.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, but I thought that was interesting. I thought that was interesting for the audience. What do you guys feel in the chat? You guys feel like Puff stole that joint, had Biggie rap over Juicy? Which I think the, I think the name Notorious B1 is more. I don't know, strikes me as more incendiary as like a talk point than sampling Juicy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

For sure. Even. Even to the point, in my, in my opinion, even to the point that if he straight up heard that record and was like, yo, we should do. We should use that and do it better, I don't even really have a problem with that. It's whatever. The, the, the, the more problematic thing. And I'm looking up the actual record now in Discogs and looking at it, and there it is. Notorious B1.

[Ebro Darden]

Name the name. The way it looks, right?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Notorious. Writing of the name that Notorious B.

[Laur St.]

I mean, it's shady. It's shady.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Notorious B is, is. That's bad. I'm being honest. That's bad.

[Ebro Darden]

And well, and according to what I.

[Laur St.]

Just read the name and the song.

[Ebro Darden]

And the song is all bad.

[Laur St.]

Come on, come on.

[Ebro Darden]

But the, even, even the guy, according to the Internet is talking about his name being stolen more than he's talking about flow, you know, sound or any of that kind of stuff. Yeah, because I'll tell you what, nobody's gonna say. Nobody's gonna say Big got his style from this Guy. Nobody's gonna say that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Would they?

[Ebro Darden]

Actually, no.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, no, no. And. And they're not even. That guy's not a good rapper. I mean, he's just not talented. That was not good music. I'm. I'm just being. I'm. Guys, he was all right.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't mean not good. No.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Are we going to offend the B1 hive? Are they going to start coming for me? Oh, let me get ready.

[Ebro Darden]

Listen, you better be careful. All right?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Hit yourself with the button. Because you never know who's moving out here. You might have a whole fan.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm going to step.

[Ebro Darden]

He might. He might have paid for box.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm stepping out on a limb.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, here we go.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I am willing to state that Biggie. That Biggie Smalls was a better and more talented rapper than Notorious. Be one. Hold that. Write it down. Take a picture. I believe that in my heart and soul. But I also believe. Think about it like this. They knew they couldn't do Biggie Smalls. At some point they were like, we can't keep calling you Biggie Smalls. This isn't working. We got to come up with something before we drop your. Ish officially. Because I'm pretty sure on the who's the man soundtrack it said Biggie Smalls.

[Ebro Darden]

Right.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

It did.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And then we.

[Ebro Darden]

And they got sued for that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And so now we gotta make. We gotta make a change.

[Ebro Darden]

I feel like I met the kid in the 90s that was Biggie Smalls. I feel like I interviewed that kid.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The. The Skinny White Man.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, Skinny white kid. I gotta reach out to my dude, Davey D, who I was doing a show with at the time, see if he remembers.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So I'm just trying to see. Nothing list is featured.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It doesn't list. When you go on Discogs and look him up under the name Biggie Smalls. Nothing.

[Ebro Darden]

He's not there.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it's there. But nothing officially pops up as a release. What was he called? What was he called on the who's the Man?

[Ebro Darden]

No, they probably changed. They probably changed all that stuff. Party and they might have changed it.

[Laur St.]

I could see it happening.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Party and bullshit was under big big.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay. But even. But right. Notorious B1 and the Notorious B.I.G. you're clean right there.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Nice.

[Ebro Darden]

But the Notorious part is. Why were you. Why. Because I rem. I clearly remember going, how did they get Notorious B.I.G. i never even liked.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Me neither. And when people say it, it makes you cringe. It's BO.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't even think I said it's borderline.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's borderline.50 cents. When people say Notorious B.I.G. you're like, you really call him Notorious B.I.G Nice. You sound crazy. You have to be a white girl who found him late. Sorry, Laura. Go ahead.

[Laur St.]

No, no, no. I just could see it. I could see somebody running, stumbling upon B1, notorious B1, and be like, this is good. Check this out. You know what I mean? And be quote, unquote, inspired by it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Nah, it's. It's. It happened.

[Ebro Darden]

This is definitely it had. No. It happened. There's no way around it, guys. It happened.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Can we get Puff on the show? We need this.

[Ebro Darden]

After everything we've said and the fact that he's probably not taking phone calls, I say no.

[Laur St.]

Probably not.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Consider.

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, Griff, make the call.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You'll consider that's gonna. Oh, we got a new T shirt, folks. I'm calling early. Yo, Griff, make the call. About anyone. People you know perfectly well he doesn't have a line on.

[Ebro Darden]

That's right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're saying if Jay Z. People are offended that we said sunshine and I know what girls like aren't dope. You think that Huff and his people might not like us? Our coverage of what he's done.

[Ebro Darden]

I would. I would go out on a limb here. Hang on. I think. I think I. I'd go as far as to say we're highly disliked.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Really? That's a shame.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes. On both sides, really. There's people who thought we covered for. You know, there's people who thought we didn't go hard enough on the Combs, Sean Diddy, Puffy Combs situation. And then you got people who thought we went too hard. No, we can't make anyone happy. This is why we. This is why we currently do the ELR show on. For just our.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Our.

[Ebro Darden]

Our tens of thousands of fans right here on the YouTubes. And you can subscribe to the Patreon.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I guess you're right.

[Ebro Darden]

Is because we can't make anybody happy. We struggle to make anybody happy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. No.

[Laur St.]

Is that no matter what you do.

[Ebro Darden]

We'Re not white enough? We're not black enough. We're not. We're not progressive enough. We're not maga. We're just right here in the middle. Pick a side.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Hit me with a problem with you.

[Ebro Darden]

I would not. We're not. We're not. I'm joking.

[Laur St.]

I don't know. Whenever anybody says that, like, oh, yeah, I didn't. I didn't hear you guys talk about that. I'm like, do you listen to. Before I Used to be like, do you listen to all four hours?

[Ebro Darden]

Nope.

[Laur St.]

Do you tune in for multiple hours?

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, they.

[Laur St.]

And they're like, oh, oh.

[Ebro Darden]

They don't listen, bro. They don't listen, but hopefully they listen to this. The Rundown with Laura St. Laura got the run down.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Turn that up. Screens.

[Ebro Darden]

Heavy, but we still caught up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Light still flashing we don't slow up.

[Ebro Darden]

Don'T slow up Lord Styles.

[Laur St.]

Well, there's a couple things we haven't got to. You know, a lot of tours have been.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, talk to us.

[Laur St.]

People are very excited. Did you guys see Summer Walker is going on tour still finally over it.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay.

[Laur St.]

It's the Trilogy tour with all of her albums, and she's taking Monaleo and Odile.

[Ebro Darden]

All right, let's go.

[Laur St.]

I saw, you know that, that artist od. I saw his tiny desk.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, dope.

[Laur St.]

He's dope.

[Ebro Darden]

No, Odile is phenomenal, bro.

[Laur St.]

He's dope. Dope. I really enjoy.

[Ebro Darden]

Odile is the real deal.

[Laur St.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah. So Summer Walker is officially going on tour. People are very excited about that.

[Ebro Darden]

All right.

[Laur St.]

Another tour. Is Kid Cudi okay?

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, I thought he was doing comedy now or something.

[Laur St.]

Well, he's going on tour.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Laur St.]

So is Kid Cudi and the Rebel Rangers tour that's happening. He'll be joined by Big Bo and Mia.

[Ebro Darden]

You think he's bringing out Jim Jones for the Jim Jones mix of Day and Night?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm gonna step out on another limb and say I doubt.

[Laur St.]

Was cool. I saw 8Track because 8Track is gonna join him on a couple of the stops and that the genius. So it should be. I, I really, I. Did you see a track? We're just posting, like, old pictures of them and, like, telling stories, so I thought that was pretty fire.

[Ebro Darden]

Very dope. You guys think we could get Kid Cudi on the show? I do.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I think so.

[Ebro Darden]

If you.

[Laur St.]

I think so.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Town. We could get him. I mean, I think so. I'm, I'm. I stay in touch with Cudi. I think he. I think he'd do it especially.

[Ebro Darden]

He's a nice gentleman.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I love Cudi, especially to talk about, like, you know, fun stuff. I think he'd be up for it. He's got.

[Ebro Darden]

You don't think he don't think he's going to want to recount what happened between Cassie and all that. You don't think probably.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, bro, just keep saying that. You just lost the end of Congratulations.

[Laur St.]

Damn. He.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Bro, I'm always, always botching it, you.

[Laur St.]

Know, the, The Talk. You know, people are really especially like, fans were sad to see that Chad and Pharrell were just not on great terms. Chad is suing Pharrell. But in, I guess Pharrell decided to have a response. I mean, you know, I knew it was going to go like that. It was a statement to billboard. And he said, well, not Pharrell, but his team said, look, a standard accounting review is already in progress. The lawsuit filed is premature, and there may not even be a dispute between parties. So if the accounting review determines that money is owed, then party will pay. And they're. And they said Pharrell has consistently acted in good faith. He has great respect for Chad and looks forward to resolving this in a way that honors their shared interest.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, I'm glad they said that, because even yesterday when we covered it, that's why I threw it. Or what was that two days ago? Whatever it was, that's why I threw it to you, Rosenberg, about publishing lawsuits. Because I thought, you know, with your brother being in the legal field, you maybe had more insight than me. But like, these forensic accounting kind of like, quote, unquote lawsuits where people get their lawyers and their accountants to go through people's books from the past to shake the trees and find out if there's any money owed. That's super standard in the music business. And so I didn't know. Based on behind the scenes talk, I've never heard that Chad and Pharrell are at personal odds. I've never heard that.

[Laur St.]

I mean, I knew they weren't on the.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I heard it's definitely not great.

[Laur St.]

Yeah. But I didn't think it would get to this.

[Ebro Darden]

So and so, okay, you guys heard differently than me. But then on top of that, I just assumed that this was like, Chad was like, yo, I might be owed some money. Because I definitely know songwriters who are like, yo, open up your books. I think you owe some money. And it's not because there's beef. It's because that's just how the business works when you're doing publishing collection.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm gonna step out on another limb based on our famous conversation with Chad, which you missed. Yeah, I think things are probably weird. That's my guess.

[Ebro Darden]

Is it weird?

[Laur St.]

That's probably one of the weirdest interviews.

[Ebro Darden]

Or weird because there's actually a process. Sometimes people are.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, no, no. I think. I think. I think Chad being weird may make things weird.

[Ebro Darden]

But you don't think Pharrell has disdain for him.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I think it may make things hard, though, because that conversation we Had. And I'm, again, I'm trying to be respectful and don't want to, you know, everyone. God knows I don't want anyone to be hurt over this. But, yeah, he was. Communicating with him was just like, this is a very unique experience. So you go back and watch it. It was a very unique experience. And, you know, I know nothing about their business, but knowing that they always had great love and admiration for each other, things going left wouldn't altogether surprise me, I guess.

[Laur St.]

Yeah, I just wish, like, his team would have reached out to his team and they just kind of resolved it.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, it sounds like they did based on the statement. They were already. Said they were already in progress.

[Laur St.]

They're. They're reviewing it now, but.

[Ebro Darden]

No, but it said that they were already in progress. It said it's.

[Laur St.]

There was an actual lawsuit that took place.

[Ebro Darden]

Right. But, Laur, it literally says in the thing that you read.

[Laur St.]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

That this is premature because we're already doing. There is no lawsuit. We're already going through the documents.

[Laur St.]

I just. What I'm trying to say is that we just didn't need to know about it. They could have done it amongst themselves.

[Ebro Darden]

But if what Rosenberg is saying about weird behavior, then somebody wanted this to be public. Somebody wanted this to be.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Hello.

[Ebro Darden]

Covered in the rundown with Laura Styles.

[Laur St.]

I hate it. But hopefully they resolve it. And hopefully, you know, if there's money owed, it will get, you know, Chad's.

[Ebro Darden]

Team saying, here we are. It's blood in the water. That's right. That's right.

[Laur St.]

Oh, God. But yes, that's it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You have any lowdown?

[Laur St.]

No.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, wow.

[Laur St.]

I don't want to take you to hell.

[Ebro Darden]

Why? No, that's what the people want.

[Laur St.]

I don't want to. It's time for the low down. Oh, it's so bad.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, then I'll use the rundown.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Give me the lowdown.

[Laur St.]

The low down or the lowdown?

[Ebro Darden]

I'll use the lowdown time because we haven't got to it on today's show and we didn't get to it yesterday. The guy dressed up as the Nazi who's dressed up as the character from the Tiana Taylor movie.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

He got booted. He got booted out of Minneapolis. They're making him fall on the sword and acting like he mismanaged this whole thing to kind of act like he's the bad guy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And Kristi Noem, is she out? Kristi Noem.

[Laur St.]

It's official.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They're both being replaced, as I understand it, by Tom Holman. That's how I understand it. And she had to run back on Monday night. On Monday night, she had a meeting with Trump for two hours in the Oval Office. Kirsty Noem did.

[Ebro Darden]

And so Trump, Trump and him was gonna act like they didn't know that this was the energy that they were putting out and that ice was moving around with. That's what. Yo, hit the F out of here. Hit the other button.

[Laur St.]

I saw a report that I guess Trump has been watching the coverage of all of this and he's really upset because it's not making a point.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, no, no, for sure. But wouldn't you imagine if you're Trump and you have no human feelings whatsoever, all you care about is how something looks on Fox News. People are saying, this should never have happened. This is wrong. The NRA mad Republicans are coming out. The private meeting with Kristi Noem was like this. I told you you could do whatever you wanted except make it look like you're doing whatever you wanted. You shot him in the back ten times.

[Ebro Darden]

Not. No, no, no, you didn't shoot him in the back. You murdered a white man who's an ICU nurse from a VA hospital who had a legal gun. And there's video of your agents taking the gun out of his waistband. So he didn't have it before you shot him in the back.

[Laur St.]

And a veteran.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, and, oh, by the way, he's.

[Laura Rosenberg]

A white man with no criminal record and a veteran. And in the back, he was. He was clearly. Yo, this, this was such. This is such a crazy one to watch unfold over the last several days. Because when you have you watched, like, the New York Times did a slow. A five minute breakdown of every second that happened.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yo, the guy who shoots him the first bunch of times because, like, three people shot him. The guy who shoots him first is engaged with the woman who he was trying to help. He's dealing with her. He's trying to spray her with a canister. His canister stops working. You see him like, oh, it's not working. So he just turns around back to.

[Ebro Darden]

Alex Preddy and starts hitting him with the.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, that's another one who's hitting him with the canister. But this guy, he turns around and within five seconds of joining that scene, within five seconds, he killed him. But he wasn't even watching him. He was dealing with something else. It was so bad that, yeah, we've. They've now had to squirm because actually, you know, they made a real mistake. If they wanted to get to just keep killing people because this. This real. They did it so blatantly. They had to at least have enough questionable, you know, doubt like they did with Renee. Good. Oh, she was driving the car. Shoot her right in the face. No, no, pro. Shoot her in the face a bunch of times. Not a big deal.

[Laur St.]

She hit him. He had internal bleeding. They made it all up to justify that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But this guy, to Ebro's point, white, veteran, legal gun owner, the heart of the Republican Party. He follows the rules. We. They can't. The only thing they love a lot of these people more than Republican or maybe even racism, some of them, is their gun. They love their gun.

[Laur St.]

Right?

[Laura Rosenberg]

And he did. Hebro. He did it right. You're allowed to do that. You can't then turn around and say you can't do that so well.

[Ebro Darden]

And. And they're so. They're so uninformed about the Constitution and policies in America that they. Government officials, Kristi Noem and the dude dressed up as the guy from the Tiana Taylor movie who's dressed up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Vino. Yes.

[Laur St.]

What's his name?

[Ebro Darden]

They're so. They got up at podiums speaking on behalf of the government, talking about people bringing guns to protests. Legal gun owners are allowed to do that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

In Minneapolis, in Minnesota.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right. They're like, we're not going to harm anyone. We're not allowed to protect.

[Ebro Darden]

Did you. Did you see the governor, the republic governor candidate?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, pulled out.

[Ebro Darden]

Step down. He stepped down. He was like, I don't want to be. I'm out.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. Did you see that, Laura? A couple days ago, he's. He said, I can't even represent for the National Republicans. I can't do this.

[Laur St.]

I saw. And I also saw an interview with Kristi Noem. I don't remember on what platform, but they straight up ask her. They're like, they. They say it. They shot him a. After they took his gun away. And she's like, well, you know, that's why we're investigating every little thing. I can't comment on it. We're investigating and we'll give you the answers. Nobody believes you. Nobody believes you. This looks really, really bad.

[Ebro Darden]

Really, really bad. I think. Rahon, can you run the video of Chris Medell? I think his name is from at the Gen lren. I think we have video of the Republican guy who. Who stepped down.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

But today I announced the end of my campaign. I have two primary reasons for this decision. Number one, I cannot support the national Republican stated retribution on the citizens of our state, nor can I count myself a member of a party that would do so. I support the originally stated goals of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement's Operation Metro surge in locating and deporting the worst of the worst from our state. And I've seen many examples of ICE arresting non US Citizens in Minnesota convicted of serious crimes, including murder, rape and child sexual assault. No reasonable person should want these people here, and I am glad that they are gone. But Operation Metro Search has expanded far beyond its stated focus on true public safety threats. United States citizens, particularly those of color, live in fear. United States citizens are carrying papers to prove their citizenship. That's wrong. ICE has authorized its agents to raid homes using a civil warrant that need only be signed by a Border Patrol agent. That's unconstitutional and it's wrong. Weaponizing criminal investigations against political opponents is unconstitutional regardless of who is in power. Republicans and Democrats alike have engaged in this misconduct and both must be held to the same standard. They need to do better. And I have read about, and I have spoken to countless United States citizens who have been detained in Minnesota due to the color of their skin. I personally have spoken to several law enforcement officers, some Hispanic and some Asian, who have been pulled over by ICE on pretextual stops. Driving while Hispanic is not a crime. Either is driving while Asian, driving while black. At the end of the day, I have to look my daughters in the eye and tell them I believe I did what was right. And I am doing that today.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I will say we live. We live. We live in a time where the standard is so low that to see someone who even identifies as a Republican saying racism is wrong is refreshing. I know you're like, wow, he's not totally okay with racism. He thinks they shouldn't do this, and he's actually stepping away from it.

[Ebro Darden]

However. However, he's so blind, so blind that he didn't know that the plans to run around and, and grab millions of people and deport them was going to lead to this. This is where I can't all the way believe it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know it gets hard.

[Ebro Darden]

We. This was talked about and how come I knew that this was going to go this way?

[Laur St.]

I know.

[Ebro Darden]

And you didn't. That's why I don't believe you. You're a liar. Hit the.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't know if you're a liar.

[Laur St.]

I. I just saw breaking news. ICE agents to help with security at Winter Olympics in Italy. What could go wrong?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's a great look. That's a great look for us. I want them representing the US And Italy. That's a good look.

[Laur St.]

What could go wrong?

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, wait. That was the lowdown.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That was low.

[Ebro Darden]

That was. That was low.

[Laur St.]

That was low.

[Ebro Darden]

Can I get the one more time.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Just because I love the music. Because you were right about the music. I give credit where credit is due. This joint right here.

[Laur St.]

Shout to Hot Rod Rick. Time for the Low down with Laura Sty.

[Ebro Darden]

Now, the question I have moving forward. Was that the right place to do the lowdown? Was that considered lowdown? I mean, it was low down. 30. I mean, killing a man. Killing a man in the streets. Minneapolis.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I just want to hear the music.

[Ebro Darden]

You could put anything slow down. What America's going through is a low down dirty shame.

[Laur St.]

It is. It's sad.

[Laura Rosenberg]

See, that's the thing, though. Hearing the Hot Rod Rick version is what makes me think is the rundown to, like, we're on hip hop radio, you know what I'm saying? Like, the.

[Ebro Darden]

The.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The. The lowdown one hits. Like, this is the new era of us. We just play some random sound and.

[Ebro Darden]

Like, some just fire.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Now, granted, it's. I'm sure it's AI, but this joint is flames.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, you don't think. You don't think Hot Rod Rick went out and got a lounge singer and did a studio session, and I'm stepping.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Out again for the. For the third time on this Wednesday.

[Ebro Darden]

How dare you?

[Laura Rosenberg]

But I like it. I like it. Fits the vibe of where we're at right now.

[Ebro Darden]

Before we get into the original gurus with Laura Styles, Rosenberg, and myself, I want to go to ESPN's own. Rosenberg is on his way to Saudi Arabia Arabia for some. To Riyadh for some WWE shenanigans, which hopefully we'll get a check in. I'm trying, but, but, but before we do that, the super bowl is set, my guy. We haven't covered that all week.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, the super bowl is set, buddy. Since who's in it? Oh, let's see. You have the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, I'm happy for Seattle. I can't. No, no, no. I'm happy for Seattle. I said earlier on one of our programs that I was happy to see New England trending the way they were, which was odd for me.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Hit me with the congratulations. You played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Talking about.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't know why, man. It's like Stockholm. Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It doesn't sound like. I don't even know.

[Ebro Darden]

You want to see the oppressor?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm good. I'm. I'm good on both these teams. This is super boring.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, what what's your deal? What should I like to see?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Hawks.

[Ebro Darden]

Why not like the Seahawks?

[Laura Rosenberg]

They're just.

[Ebro Darden]

I like Seattle. I like the Seahawks. I'm happy for Macklemore. I'm happy for my friend Eddie France.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Listen, I'm happy for Macklemore. That sounds great. You know, listen, I know a lot of Patriots fans. I'm not happy for any of them.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, don't you want to see Seattle win?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

[Laur St.]

You're not happy for Cardi?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yo, Cardi. Yo. No, we didn't talk about this. Yo, wait. Oh, no, this is important. This is still there.

[Laur St.]

Oh, I think I know.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They thought show Cardi B one time at the championship game.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, was she there?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes, she was there. 100% was there.

[Ebro Darden]

Racist.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That has to be. We get all, we get all that constant Taylor Swift. If we don't get Cardi at the Super Bowl, I' ma be livid. This is crazy. You know how much more interesting she is to see. I want to see her cursing and throwing nachos.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, but that's not what, that's not what your middle American counterparts want to see. You know, they don't want to highlight Cardi B. They don't want to help Cardi B. She's not, she's not, you know, blonde haired. Well, maybe Cardi put on some. She might be, you know what I'm saying? She's, she's, you know, she's represents.

[Laur St.]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

A segment of the population. She's an immigrant. Oh, can't have that. Yeah, her parents, I mean.

[Laur St.]

No, I mean her parents are.

[Ebro Darden]

I think she was born. I meant child of immigrants.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Because as of now, being born in the country. As of now, she, it still makes you a sense.

[Laur St.]

Yeah, so she was like, she got really excited and was like. No, obviously excited for her, man. And at one point, I think she called the little four year old girl. She was like, oh my God, it's a little girl. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yo, you know, you got to calm down, Cardi. This is why this, this is the.

[Soundboard/Producer]

Excuse they're going to Congratulations.

[Laura Rosenberg]

When they don't on tv, they're trying.

[Ebro Darden]

To drive and that's why they won't put her on tv. She called a four year old girl.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I gotta tell you, man, this is. It's Super Bowls. Might be. That might be a skippable game. If you're offset right now, you may not be watching the Super Bowl.

[Ebro Darden]

And he saw and an offset. You stole me $5,000 from the last game when we were sitting there with Taylor Swift and ice got there.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yo, Eo, I need an Ebro name drop button too. When he just casually drops Bean at the super bowl with Taylor Swift. I I. Griff, help me come up with what that is. Griff, get on the phone. What's the line?

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, yo, Griff, make the call. Yo, Griff. Griff, make the call.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But yeah, no, that's tough. Like, just from a human standpoint, like remove all the drama from it. Regular human standpoint. Your girl has a new man. Happens to be a football player. Seems like his career is kind of on the fade out. Not too bad. Ah, ribbon Super Bowl.

[Ebro Darden]

Damn lands.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He ended up with the Patriots. And now you know it happens quick, folks. Before you know it, they're back.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, in other news, I, I want to see Seahawks win for sure. And I just want. I was really trying to get ESPN's own Rosenberg to talk about how cool this is for Sam.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Love that part. I love the Sam Darnold piece for sure. Sam Darnold. Laura was the jets quarterback for a few years.

[Ebro Darden]

Yo. Hit the jets with the button. Another reason that team needs to be sold.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, they.

[Ebro Darden]

How many years?

[Soundboard/Producer]

Congratulations. You played yourself?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, like four now. Yeah, the whole Zach Wilson experience.

[Ebro Darden]

Zach Wilson experience.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But, but yeah, I'm happy. Sam's a great kid and he's. And now he's in the freaking super bowl. So. No, that's why I'm rooting for Seattle for that for sure. All right, we got, we got to get to the originals right now.

[Ebro Darden]

The original.

[Laur St.]

Let's go.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Give me the wrong music.

[Ebro Darden]

No, that's dance.

[Laur St.]

That's right. The original Gurus. Gmail.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Let's go, man.

[Laur St.]

The Original gurus. Gmail.com where the guru unite and fight.

[Ebro Darden]

And shine the light on everything that's bright or.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right. The original gurus. Gmail.com theoriginalgurus gmail.com I have to go.

[Laur St.]

All right, Rosenberg. Who's out there? Who needs us first?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'd love to say I love this new platform. So happy you're available to bright my mornings. With the the pleasantries out of the way onto my situation for the gurus. My friend's group of approximately eight couples are entering our 40s within the next year or two. The invites for 40th birthday parties are never ending. Damn, it's already starting. Some events are small dinners up to Caribbean getaways. For one of the birthday events, I'm being asked to prepay 500 a couple for drinks and dinner. Another birthday event a few weeks later is a week long Jamaica trip.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, wait, wait. This the same person having all these events being invited?

[Laur St.]

Well, no, no, because remember, it's. They're couples, so everybody's the same age. So everybody's kind of turning.

[Ebro Darden]

I thought this was one person having multiple events. All right, all right.

[Laur St.]

Okay, Keep going, keep going.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Now, while I would love to celebrate with everyone, how do I politely decline these invites for the sake of my pockets, As I am also Planning my own 40th, I fear if I don't go to someone's beach getaway or expensive dinner, they wouldn't come to my birthday event. Please help me navigate all these birthday invites without going broke or losing friends. Thanks for any insight, Mr. Soon to be 40. I can't help you. I have, I have nothing to say about this. When I turned 40, my life had just exploded. And I had dinner with me, my mom, my dad, and my brother. That was it. I got nothing for you, fam. I skipped it. I don't even know what it's like.

[Ebro Darden]

When I turn 40.

[Laur St.]

I gave birth. I gave birth four days later, I turned 40. So I was all cut up for my C section. In pain.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Good times.

[Laur St.]

Getting there in the middle of a pandemic. So, yeah, that's what happened to me.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I don't think the person is asking what to do when you turn 40. I think the person is asking, is there a way to avoid turn going to all these other events and still getting people to come to mind? And the answer is no.

[Laur St.]

But I will say asking somebody to go on a trip is a big ask. Big A dinner is one thing, but a week long getaway, that's a lot. I think that whenever people do destination weddings or events, you're allowed to opt out.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, especially. And there's tons of reasons why. Right. Work. Can't afford it. All of it.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Laur St.]

So I think the trip ones you can, yes, work, you know, it's, it's just too expensive. And maybe you just give them a, A gift on the side or. But you definitely should reach out. But yeah, I think the trips you can opt out, the dinners might be a little hard.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. The dinner ones, you might, you might hit your man and be like, yo, 500, what are we doing, guys?

[Ebro Darden]

Or you know, what you do well. And then the question is, how well do you even know these? I mean, are, are they really like all of your friends or are these just like other people?

[Laura Rosenberg]

You know, and you can hit some of your other friends on the side and be like, yo, guys, these. These five hundreds. Crazy, right? To encourage them to not do the same thing. Now, listen, you're going to let them know.

[Laur St.]

Yeah, but remember what it is, huh? But remember, when it's your turn, it can happen to you.

[Ebro Darden]

You better be over there at that Dave and Busters, you know what I'm saying?

[Laur St.]

So don't pop up with like, we're going to Ruba for three days.

[Ebro Darden]

Don't try to go to. Don't try to go to. You know, I don't know what's a. What's an awesome steakhouse in the city. I'll try to go to stk.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, no. The whole group trip to SDK. You can't do it.

[Ebro Darden]

Don't try to get the big steak at Peter Luger or something. You know what I'm saying?

[Laur St.]

Yeah. So just be prepared. But I say the dinners, you might have to do it. But the trips, I think are allowed, you know what I mean? To get out. I hope it helps. But do remember, you got a 40s coming up, too, fam. So you can't bail on all of them and expect them to come to yours. So say the gurus.

[Ebro Darden]

We up out of here.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, enjoy. If you're a patron, enjoy today's Patreon.

[Ebro Darden]

It's a doozy. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Is that Today, Bro?

[Laura Rosenberg]

ELR show, this is Laura. Don't over.

[Laur St.]

This is a special one.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Laura, calm down, okay? It's good. It's good. No one's giving birth on the show.

[Ebro Darden]

It's.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's good.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, no, no, no. I think. I think it's the. It's the news. The. The news that gets broken. So I don't think she. The plan.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The early plan. Early plans. The plans are only going to get better now.

[Laur St.]

Rosenberg, the first one to see Rosenberg.

[Ebro Darden]

Does unravel on it, though. There is a good. Rosenberg unravel.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That is a fact. It happened red. Red Face. Another return of Red Face. Rosenberg is official here. We love you guys. Go check it out. If you can't, by the way, if.

[Ebro Darden]

You can't do Patreon, it's all good.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Good. You're going to see the plan. The plans will be here as well. It's coming.

[Laur St.]

That's right.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and also subscribe here, Please turn on your notifications, too. So you get everything when it's happening. That's right. You.

[Laur St.]

I mean, hi, guys.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Later.

[Ebro Darden]

Just don't fall in the podcast.